Feb 10, 2008 2:39pm

Clinton Ignores Losses and Looks Ahead to Texas, Ohio

ABC News’ Jake Tapper and Eloise Harper Report: Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., has not made one mention of her losses Saturday in Nebraska, Louisiana, and Washington.

Campaigning on Sunday Manassas, VA, Clinton didn’t congratulate Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., or acknowledge that there is a race in play in the state of Maine.

Continuing to lower expectations at her first rally of the day, Clinton said, "I haven’t had the pleasure of campaigning in Virginia as much as I would have liked."

Clinton’s campaign headquarters are located in Virginia, but perhaps Clinton doesn’t visit that office frequently due to her intense travel schedule.

Clinton indirectly criticized her opponent saying, "People say to me all of the time you are so specific, you talk about all of these things you want to do. Why don’t you really just come and give us one of these great rhetorical flourishes and then get everybody all whooped up."

Clinton took numerous questions from the audience outlining specific policy plans and ideas she has for problems such as economy, global warming and the housing market.

Clinton’s campaign is setting expectations low for the upcoming "Potomac Primaries" that take place on Tuesday. Instead, they are hoping for big wins in Texas and Ohio on March 4 to bring their delegate count back up in front of Obama.

User Comments

Hang in there Hill ..you’ll win the big states that r coming up and that will shut everybody up !!!

Posted by: jimbo | February 10, 2008, 2:58 pm 2:58 pm

Just another excuse from the Hillary camp – any state that we didn’t win/can’t win does not matter. This is the new spin? That she’s been banned somehow from campaigning enough in Virginia?
She has just as much time as Obama, just chooses to spend it sending out questionable direct mail pieces instead of meeting the people.

Posted by: Wondering | February 10, 2008, 3:09 pm 3:09 pm

It would be hard for Hillary to spin getting trounced by 37, 36 and 21 percent. The more people see Obama, the more they like him, and realize that Hillary is yesterday’s news, and certainly no agent of change.

Posted by: Jim Nickel | February 10, 2008, 3:19 pm 3:19 pm

What the results of the caucuses in Washington, Nebraska and Louisiana and those of Super Tuesday show is demographics plays a HUGE factor in the results, almost making it very predictable. Given the large black population in Virginia, Maryland and Washington, DC, we can all just ignore the election news for now since they will all uniformly go to Obama and wait until it’s Texas, Ohio and Pennsylvania’s turn to hold primaries, where it gets more interesting.

Posted by: Joseph | February 10, 2008, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm

I noticed that Clinton is saying “we” much more than she used to in her speeches. In the TV ads in MA, it was all “I” and some of her supporters on winning MA, chanted “Yes, SHE can” to counter Obama’s “Yes, we can” But that misses the point. Obama has been talking about working together and cooperation, Clinton has only been talking about how SHE would slay the dragons of Republicanism and Big Business when she ascends to the throne.

Posted by: zjemi | February 10, 2008, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm

If OBAMA win in Virginia is because of those votes from virgins. Virgins are innocent; they do not have the experience and not sure where their future and our country is heading. They just see OBAMA as their idol. It’s a no brain no. Hey virgins, you guys need to wake up and smell the coffee. Our country does not need OBAMA right now. Huge problems and turmoil will face him, tsunami of foreclosures, recession, plummeting dollar rate, war in Iraq; too much for OBAMA. No not this time. Get real.

Posted by: Very Independent | February 10, 2008, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm

Joseph: Agreed that it is going to get interesting in Texas which cannot be pigeonholed. We have the Panhandle, West Texas, East Texas, North Texas South Central and South Texas. There is a large Hispanic and female population here so maybe why Hillary Clinton is feeling more confident. I have no sense of the good ole boys!

Posted by: tcnz | February 10, 2008, 3:27 pm 3:27 pm

wow hill, way to thank those who did vote for you (and win you some delegates!) in those states yesterday.
What an ungrateful little pig. I would not and will not vote for her in November if she’s the nominee. I just won’t do it.

Posted by: jenny | February 10, 2008, 3:27 pm 3:27 pm

For all of Obamas glory, he is some 40 or 50 stupid delegates ahead. He can thank the african american vote and HYPING 20 year olds at caucus’s as well.
But the DNC is never going to give the nomination to the guy based on Caucus HYPE and red states he has no hope of winning. Its NOT the way it works.
John Mc Cain is such a weak candidate, that both Obama and Clinton will win.
Obama has not proven he can win a swing state. His Missouri win was by 1% , and he lost every district except St louis.
He cannot point to one factor that tells the democratic party he can WIN a swing state over Clinton.
He cannot win the senior citizen / hispanic Florida. Nobody ever seems to want to mention that for some reason.
They are all being FOOLED by youth hyping that wont translate into reality in a 50 state simultaneous vote.
The DNC arent stupid. They are professional politicians who KNOW how it actually all works. Obama MUST win Ohio to be able to PROVE he can win a swing state that can turn the election.
He wont.
Obama being ahead 50 or so delegates at the end of all this is not reason to give the nomination to him. Not out of 3200 delegates.
Especially when Clinton backed states such as Michigan and Florida didnt get a say in it

Posted by: tom | February 10, 2008, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm

Joseph,
I don’t get your comment. Nebraska has only a 4% black population and Obama got 68% of the vote with a huge turnout. People are paying so much attention to the demographics because the media haven’t gotten over a white woman running against a black man and they are trying to generalized too much about who voted for whom. We make up our own minds, no matter what our demographic.

Posted by: zjemi | February 10, 2008, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm

It is an odd thing that the Clinton arguments are really dwindling down to little more than name calling in these forums.
Senator Obama has the intelligence, judgment, experience (more elected experience than Hillary), and the leadership skills to move this country forward.
Senator Obama is not a paper suit or an empty vessel, his policy points and plans make this clear. The passion and fervor his campaign generates is the energy we need to expand the democratic party, bring new and disaffected people to the process, and make the U.S. feel like US again.

Posted by: Daniel Stevens | February 10, 2008, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm

Seems like the same ole Hilary to me. Ignore the reality of a situation; deny any responsibility; and refocus away from the issues that, just a week ago, were supposedly, uppermost in her mind. Does this sound like the same Hilary we saw during Bill’s presidency: ignore, deny, and refocus. Above all, remain silent on issues the country is begging to resolve.

Posted by: soose | February 10, 2008, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm

What an ungrateful little pig. I would not and will not vote for her in November if she’s the nominee. I just won’t do it.
All those Obma supporters are going to be surprised when he looses in the general election.
I and all of my friends are life long Democrats who voted for Clinton.
If Obma gets the nomination, we are ALL voting for McCain–Period.
I have NEVER voted for a Republican, yet.

Posted by: kevin | February 10, 2008, 4:09 pm 4:09 pm

does any one realize that Obama is just a “manchurian Candidate?”
His campaign manager is a Pharmecutical/drug company LOBBYIST.
Obama does not understand or even know what is wrong with the Bush medicare plan that enriches drug companies–his cheif supporters.
Clinton or McCain have my vote….

Posted by: john | February 10, 2008, 4:11 pm 4:11 pm

Nebraska–
My neighbor, a Republican, registered as a Democrat for a day and voted for Obama because they know he will never win. He laughed and was glad to be able to help McCain win in November.
Laughs on You Obammma fans.

Posted by: nebraskan | February 10, 2008, 4:14 pm 4:14 pm

I echo kevin. There are at least 5 democrats in my family–including me–who will not vote for Obama if he’s the nominee. He lost me when Oprah got involved, and pushed me further away when his surrogates misrepresented Clinton’s comments. McCain will get my vote–the first time I’ll vote republican ever.

Posted by: rhian | February 10, 2008, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm

Wondering: “Just another excuse from the Hillary camp – any state that we didn’t win/can’t win does not matter”.
As a Democrat, you can’t lose in CA, NY, NJ, MA, OH, and PA and expect to win in Nov. The only state obama won that will matter in Nov is his home State of Illinois.
I do not know who the Dem nominee will be, but judging by the states obama has lost, he is doomed in Nov.
Neither candidate will have enough pledged delegates by the convention. The nominee will depend on the vote of super delegates. If the super delegates want to win in Nov, they will need to get behind the candidate that has carried must win states.

Posted by: John D | February 10, 2008, 4:20 pm 4:20 pm

If all you win in the general is CA, NY, NJ, MA, OH and PA….. you loose the election. If you do what you always did you’ll get what you always got.

Posted by: Daniel Stevens | February 10, 2008, 4:29 pm 4:29 pm

Where were all you Obama supporters when HE downplayed Super Tuesday? Or when he totally dismissed Florida and Michigan which, even though have no delegates, still went to Clinton? Obama whines all the time. The only problem is he gloats just as bad. And I really think that voting for McCain just because your favorite of the democrats loses is so lame. If you want to vote for McCain then vote for him in the first place. It’s this kind of logic that makes us such a joke everywhere — a bunch of self-righteous hypocrites.

Posted by: druggstohr | February 10, 2008, 4:33 pm 4:33 pm

“Obama has…(more elected experience than Hillary)…
—posted by Daniel Stevens, 2/10
Obama was a State Senator for 6 years and in the US Senate for 2. That’s 8…the same number of years Clinton has been in the US Senate. How does that translate as Obama having more experience?
In any event, it’s hard to imagine that the brilliant First Lady of both a state and our country learned nothing in those times and places. Really, is it that hard to give credit where it’s due?

Posted by: Mary T | February 10, 2008, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm

Wait…wait for it…..there it is! Her campagine manager has scooted…she is sneaking to John Edwards and refusing to mention the lost states…sounds like an angry 5 year old for one thing but most of all…it sounds like DEFEAT. As far as respecting her? I will give her my respect when she starts respecting herself. NO ONE would stay with someone who has embarressed them time and time and time again with other woman unless she was using Bill to get here…she deserves no respect.

Posted by: Deanna G. | February 10, 2008, 4:42 pm 4:42 pm

Daniel says where we when she won Florida and Michigan….states he did not even vist LOL or have his name on the ballot….she did by the way…LOL try harder Daniel! and try to come up with something that does not insult the intelligence of the readers…Oh wait…the uneducated are voting for Clinton…sorry I expected too much from you!

Posted by: Deanna G. | February 10, 2008, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm

Hillary doesn’t want to make big rhetorical flourishes? That’s rich.
Hillary Clinton couldn’t get a task-specific cushion “all whooped up.”

Posted by: Colfax | February 10, 2008, 4:58 pm 4:58 pm

“Obama was a State Senator for 6 years and in the US Senate for 2. That’s 8…the same number of years Clinton has been in the US Senate. How does that translate as Obama having more experience?”
Actually, it is less than 8 years – 2 year spent running for state Senate twice, 1 year spend running for state Represenative (which he lost), 1 year running for US Senate and 1 year running for President. So it is 3 years experience in public office and 5 years running for the next higher office.

Posted by: Mary Ann | February 10, 2008, 5:02 pm 5:02 pm

“Clinton indirectly criticized her opponent, saying ‘people say to me all of the time you are so specific, you talk about all of these things you want to do. Why don’t you really just come and give us one of these great rhetorical flourishes and then get everybody all whooped up?’”
Because she’s not capable of that. Obama is. I believe that will help make him a more marketable candidate in the general election and a more effective president.

Posted by: Andy | February 10, 2008, 5:18 pm 5:18 pm

Please People….Are you true Democrats or not? Why would you say you would vote for McCain over Obama, if he got the nomination? So basically you are saying that you would rather stay in this war for 100 years or more than vote for Obama? What? I will support either Democratic nominee…they are both very qualified.. I am a TRUE Democrat!!!! Ask yourself why you dislike Obama more than the WAR??? There is such a BIG difference between the Republican ideals and the Democratic. But there is not much difference between Obama and Clinton. Again…ask yourself…why?

Posted by: GW | February 10, 2008, 5:26 pm 5:26 pm

Any state she loses doesn’t matter, and any state she wins is a huge victory against incredible challenges – and this from the inevitable candidate with a 20-plus point lead in national polls just a couple months ago.

Posted by: Paul | February 10, 2008, 5:40 pm 5:40 pm

To those of you petulantly and childishly “threatening” to “take your ball and go home” (i.e. vote for McCain, who will destroy everything for which you supposedly “stand”) if you don’t get the nominee you *demand,* I say: Don’t let the door hit you on your way out.

Posted by: Mark | February 10, 2008, 5:42 pm 5:42 pm

zjemi – she says ‘we’ more now, because someone in her campaign figured out how much her strongly emphasized vocalization of ‘I’ was coming across in her speeches.
Somewhere around the same time, she started inserting a line about how this campaign wasn’t about her, but about all of us, and our childrens’ futures, etc.

Posted by: Paul | February 10, 2008, 5:43 pm 5:43 pm

GW, Mark – remember how unrepresentative these blogs are of party members at large. The question has been polled, and similar percentages of both Obama and Clinton supporters would be ‘satisfied’ with the other candidate as nominee, and probably a good chunk of the unsatisfied would hold their noses and vote for the Democratic nominee.
These boards just accentuate the drama, particularly for a campaign like Clinton’s, in which we’re seeing drama for drama’s sake.

Posted by: Paul | February 10, 2008, 5:46 pm 5:46 pm

Right you are, Paul. Thanks for the reminders.

Posted by: Mark | February 10, 2008, 5:49 pm 5:49 pm

She’s looking ahead to TX and OH like Giuliani looked forward to Florida. I hope they put her campaign down for the count.

Posted by: squeenter squillo | February 10, 2008, 6:30 pm 6:30 pm

Florida and Michigan were stripped of their delegates by the DNC, in agreement with all candidates running in the Democratic party. Those rules can not, and will not be changed in order to give Clinton a delegate lead after being agreed upon.
All this desperation shows Hillary knows she cannot win based off the results of the primary and that she needs to broker deals with superdelegates in order to win. Sad, but true. Haha, John Edwards got an offer for VP today for his 26 delegates. Hows that for desperation….I’ll trade ya a VP nom for only 26 delegates even though I promised it to the guy that ran my failed Iowa campaign.

Posted by: bongstradamus | February 10, 2008, 6:32 pm 6:32 pm

I stopped reading after this “Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-Ill.” Please do not associate her with the state of Illinois. We would never elect her to a Senate seat.

Posted by: Adam | February 10, 2008, 6:41 pm 6:41 pm

Oh, lol Adam, I missed that.

Posted by: Paul | February 10, 2008, 6:57 pm 6:57 pm

What abunch of whinners,Fla. and Mich. knew the penalty for moving up thier primarys did any of you whiners protest this, demostrate against this of course you didn’t,no delegates will seated, now seeing Clinton and her supporters are on the loosing end they now want the rules changed or perhaps they will take thier toys and go home,good riddance.

Posted by: Robert | February 10, 2008, 7:04 pm 7:04 pm

I hope this article is updated soon so it doesn’t say “Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-Ill.” in the first paragraph. I’m from Illinois, and it’s just cruel to associate her with this fine state. Cheers.

Posted by: Mike | February 10, 2008, 7:15 pm 7:15 pm

situation; deny any responsibility; and refocus away from the issues that, just a week ago, were supposedly, uppermost in her mind. Does this sound like the same Hilary we saw during Bill’s presidency: ignore, deny, and refocus. Above all, remain silent on issues the country is begging to resolve.
Posted by: soose | Feb 10, 2008 3:53:49 PM
I would not and will not vote for her in November if she’s the nominee. I just won’t do it.
All those clintion supporters are going to be surprised when she looses in the general election.
I and all of my friends are life long Democrats who voted for Clinton. and now we are tired 8 years was plenty time to move on.
If hillary gets the nomination, we are ALL voting for McCain–Period.
I have voted for a Republican, and will do it again .

Posted by: sick of the clintons | February 10, 2008, 7:24 pm 7:24 pm

Obama’s arrogant. He should be in Hollywood, not the White House.
After dinners with Oprah, lunches with celebrities, touring the talk shows, securing book deals, holding fundraisers to get even more money for himself and avoiding any work responsibilites like he did in Illinois, when will he EVER find the time to LEAD A NATION?
It’s time for change alright. Time for Obama to step aside and let Clinton get the job done!

Posted by: Phil | February 10, 2008, 7:30 pm 7:30 pm

“Druggstohr” mentioned that Obama downplayed super-tuesday?
That’s just not true, he actually tried to bring attetion to it because he came out with more delegates on super tuesday, thus, OBAMA WON super tuesday.Plain and simple.
And “John D” said: As a Democrat, you can’t lose in CA, NY, NJ, MA, OH, and PA and expect to win in Nov. The only state obama won that will matter in Nov is his home State of Illinois.
I do not know who the Dem nominee will be, but judging by the states obama has lost, he is doomed in Nov.
Well, John, this is a moot argument because those states will be blue states anyway in the general, no matter who the democrat is. The real statement is Obama’s huge margins of victor in red states!
Thirdly, “Joseph” states that race is why Obama is winning all these states this weekend? Well, I’m interested, Joseph, to understand how that happened in WA and NE when there is mostly white people in both of those states?? Louisiana is the only state with significant black population.

Posted by: m | February 10, 2008, 7:35 pm 7:35 pm

Obama has a nice suit and tie and a nice haircut and his prose is eloquent. I’m OK with him being a Calvin Klein fashion model or in a poetry contest on open mic night at a coffee house, but since there are pivotal global and domestic issues at stake, I’m not OK with him being president. I want a president that is heavily ingrained in Washington with an established network of support from big players that can get things done, like Hilary or McCain.
This isn’t a popularity contest and Obama isn’t going to come to your house and mow your lawn. If I had a nickel for every time Obama said “change” I’d be rich enough to run for president myself, but if I had a nickel for everything he has accomplished as a senator, I couldn’t afford the gas to drive to the polls to vote against him. The best thing about the Obama campaign, is the hype of the Obama campaign itself. When analyzed based on issues ONLY, there is no substance to it. Also, he is weak. When confronted by terrorists, he is going to put them on timeout and cut down on their foreign aide.
“Dignity, character, intelligence, humility, fairness, transparency, and genuine hope” are great if everyone plays by the rules. This is politics and real world events. Iran has plans to take over Iraq when Obama abandons it, and Kim Jong-il and his nuclear program are going to be unmoved by Obama’s nice suit and outstanding irreproachable character. They will both, however, understand a cap in the ass from McCain.
I’ve seen comments stating that “Obama is a Christian”. I’m a Christian also, and I haven’t read all of the Bible, but I’m sure that there isn’t anything in there about “The Black Value System”. If my preacher, whom is white, started talking about “The White Value System”, he would be considered a racist, yet Obama’s preacher made multiple statements about “black” this and “black” that and no one is supposed to say anything about it. Last I heard, “Christian” isn’t raced based. Bill Clinton states the FACT that Obama won South Carolina, and other black candidates have won South Carolina, but eventually lost the campaign, and he is accused of being racial. What is racial is 85% of black people voting for a black candidate. This is an unprecedented percentage of one group of people voting for one candidate. White people voted 50% for Obama and 50% for Hilary. Which group is using race as basis for voting? Obama might be the first president appointed based on “affirmative action”.
Why does Obama keep saying he is winning? Can’t he do the math? He has less delegates or “points”. Less points in most games, except golf, means you lose. He will most likely finish with more popular votes but less delegates, and then Hilary’s majority of super delegates will push her over the top. How can I vote for someone who can’t do basic 6th grade ciphering using simple goes-in-to’s and carrying knots

Posted by: eldon | February 10, 2008, 7:46 pm 7:46 pm

Hillary did even congratulate Obama for all of his wins yesterday. Surprised? No.
This woman has a lot of class – but it’s all low.

Posted by: Randle Bate | February 10, 2008, 7:50 pm 7:50 pm

i have read something on hillary site from the dnc that she will be getting 73 delagets from michigan , dont no when but i hope she does , the dnc is on there back to have michigan and fla to have cauces but they both said they not going to so they just going to have to count those delagtes they must, obama is winning only the small states he not coming close in winning the big states ,this is racial but he wont be winning if it wasnt for the black votes most of his votes are coming from black 85 % and the states he winning are 50% or more black ,
last time i chck polls hillary is up in virgina man i hope she need to win and win big she behind in del by 64

Posted by: ernie | February 10, 2008, 8:08 pm 8:08 pm

Sure that’s smart… vote for McCain because Hillary doesn’t win. Have you really thought that through? McCain will be forced to bring on a super-conservative running mate to help coalesce Republican support during the General Election. A running mate, by the way, that could potentially end up as president given how old McCain is. You really want to risk that just because Hillary wasn’t as prepared for this primary season as she should have been?

Posted by: JLO | February 10, 2008, 8:15 pm 8:15 pm

Many of the comments here are just totally astounding. Are they coming from conservatives and/or republicans trying to sound like democrats?
Anyone who says they’ll vote for McCain in November had better have their heads examined. Another four years of Bush politics will surely totally cripple this country (even more than we are now). McCain, who was badly abused by Bush and Rove in 2000 and 2004, has so totally taken on the Bush mantra that he”s almost indistinguishable now.
Both Clinton and Obama are more than capable of beating McCain (or Huckabee, for that matter). Early on, I supported Edwards, and I now support Obama more many of the same reasons — he is the best chance we have for seeing progressive change in this country. The Clinton years were good ones, generally, but they also brought many years of Republican control of congress, and many things that could have been accomplished went by the wayside as Bill’s indiscretions took center stage.
I want to see a woman president as much as anyone, but I don’t think Hillary deserves that title. That having been said, if she wins the nomination fairly (ie, not being swept in by superdelegates), I will most certainly vote for her. And I would NEVER vote for McCain or Huckabee.

Posted by: Jackt51 | February 10, 2008, 8:16 pm 8:16 pm

There is no way Hillary can win TEXAS,we are a republican State,with strong women who do not cry when things don’t go their way.Remember Ann Richards she was a tough old bird and the only Democrat female “elected govenor of Texas”.TEXAN’s will shut Hill and Bill down and run them bare foot all the way back to Arkansas.

Posted by: Carolyn Walker | February 10, 2008, 8:19 pm 8:19 pm

Is true that her tax return of the net income $125.63 millions is only $175.000.
I would like her to release it to public now not before August as she said.

Posted by: Paul | February 10, 2008, 8:36 pm 8:36 pm

Daniel Stevens touts Obama’s “judgment”, which is rather curious.
Remember that Obama called Rezko to arrange for a real estate deal so he can buy an expensive house, KNOWING that Rezko was already being investigated for potential criminal wrong-doing.
Is that good judgment?
Obama then said later that what he did was a “BONE-HEADED” mistake (read that as stupid, of course).
What Obama has is an unusual knack for acknowledging mistakes and getting away with it, because he knows he is SO LIKEABLE! The mainstream press likes him so much, too!

Posted by: Otillap | February 10, 2008, 8:40 pm 8:40 pm

All the democrats who say they wont for Obama if he is the nominee…
There will be more than enough cross over independents and republicans that will more than cover you.
If you feel so strongly that a McCain presidency would be superior to an Obama administration…
I have seven things to remind you of…
Mcain will stay in Iraq up to 100 years
Barack will have nearly all troops out in 18 months. We’ll get out as carefully as carelessly we went in.
The six Supremes over 68.
Can you imagine a couple of more Alitos in their 50s getting in swaying things for a generation to come???
Get with the program!
Those are the same 7 reasons I’ll vote for Hillary if she’s the nominee.
UNITY 08

Posted by: derbycityespresso | February 10, 2008, 8:45 pm 8:45 pm

if they both at convention in aug and close to be ties of delagtes hillary will win the super , there not stiuped they not anti clinton most of people are voting for oabam are anti clinton becuase they want change becuas they want a new name in white house , but american are stuped our economy suck forcloser rising we as american has to take our vote serously and we havnt do so in the past 7 year,we as amercian going to try to put a rookie in the white house that has zero exspiernce that doesnt sound like we being smart in the economy we in now , why caint amercian be smart and and say we must put someone in there that has exspericne and the no how and no how to get the job done ,
people are so stupied would you want someone to go in your job that that has no exspericne and push you off to the side i bet not then why should we put obama in white house what makes him more quilfied then hillary
answer that question all you oabama fans

Posted by: ernie | February 10, 2008, 8:45 pm 8:45 pm

Well spoken … That is a very good point. What has experience done for america the last 8 yrs from the stupid bush yrs and the last 4 3 yrs of BILL in the white house? oh wait…a president that likes WAR and one THAT CHEATS ON HIS WIFE AND HAVE THE GOV SPEND MONEY TRYING TO BRING HIM TO JUSTICE. So yes i would take a chance just like america took a chance ith jfk ( may he rest in peace)

Posted by: mark schurb | February 10, 2008, 8:54 pm 8:54 pm

John, you call Obama the “Manchurian Candidate” and portray his campaign manager as a drug company lobbyist.
How about Hillary’s chief campaign strategist Mark Penn? His day job is CEO of Blackwater USA’s public relations firm. Sheesh.

Posted by: jay | February 10, 2008, 8:59 pm 8:59 pm

I really do not understand why the people are so excited about Obama? I am an independent so I look at the best canidate that will effectively carryout the business of the people of The United States of America. I have heard Obama speak and inspire. He is truely and effective political speaker. However, every speech I have heard from him only talks in generals. That concerns me; it is one thing to inspire by persuasive communication but, it is another to inspire by action and detailed plans. After everything is said, we as Americans must look at the actions that will be taken to carry out the business of the people.
Can any Obama supports define the actions he will take? Or, are you left questioning as I have been left questioning?

Posted by: Shane | February 10, 2008, 9:04 pm 9:04 pm

kevin, joseph, and others, i am another of those who have voted democrat (straight ticket) all my life. i will cast my first republican vote ever if obama is the nominee. and my friends plan to do the same. also, he thinks he can have it both ways by getting the superdelegates to follow his rules and by keeping michigan and florida out. who does he think he’s kidding? and for those who keep pointing to the demographics of those red states he won, a little logic would help – you might try it. most were caucus states, where party activists make up the majority and are the most liberal, plus they want to publicly show how progressive they are. there are no caucuses in the general election. and some republicans would vote for hillary, because her views are more moderate, but would never vote for obama, who is extremely liberal. and a lot of repubs and dems both would not vote for an african-american person, in a secret ballot – regardless of the propriety of such a truth, it is a truth. the reality is that primary and caucus results in red states tell us nothing about relative strength in general elections. however, hillary has strength with women (more than half the overall population), hispanics, older people, etc., people who actually constitute the electorate in a general election. obama may be able to compete with hillary in the nomination race, but will be crushed in a general election if we are foolish enough to nominate him.

Posted by: so saddened | February 10, 2008, 9:11 pm 9:11 pm

It’s interesting how the posts sound like the candidates they support. Clinton people stay on topic and are specific. The others use far reaching ideas, bring up old settled arguments and throw in insults. Go ahead. Respond with all the drama you all speak of.

Posted by: irma | February 10, 2008, 9:16 pm 9:16 pm

maccain is worst the bush in my eyes ,
i dont like obama either for many reason , so he wont get my vote ,
if its both of them in i wont vote at all,
unless he has hillary as his vp

Posted by: ernie | February 10, 2008, 9:24 pm 9:24 pm

lol thata funny im ignorant becuase i dont like obama im ignorant becuase i wont vote for obama ,
lol by what you saying everyone in the world is ignorant if you vote for hillary,
i have my reason why i wont vote for him just like you have your reason why you wont vote for hillary so on the other hand mark we could call you ignorant for not voting for hillary,
im not asking for someone to change my mind who i vote for i alrdy voted ,
im just asking with no answer back what amke obama more quilfy to run this country in the time we in right now over hillary

Posted by: ernie | February 10, 2008, 9:42 pm 9:42 pm

ernie – how much control over the economy do you think a president has?

Posted by: Paul | February 10, 2008, 9:43 pm 9:43 pm

more then you and i do

Posted by: ernie | February 10, 2008, 9:48 pm 9:48 pm

>ernie Evans you are right.

Posted by: mark schurb | February 10, 2008, 10:07 pm 10:07 pm

Ernie go back and look at your fact sheet, i think you missed the part where hillary was not the gvernor nor the president, so i dont see how that gives here the experience more than what obama has.

Posted by: mark schurb | February 10, 2008, 10:10 pm 10:10 pm

Ernie: “more then you and i do,” in response to a question about how much control over the economy a president can exert.
Okay, then what exactly can a president do to exert that control?

Posted by: Paul | February 10, 2008, 10:19 pm 10:19 pm

Go Obama, No Bush No Mccain, we need change and new direction and tired of clintons, Future belongs to US and only candidate is capable of leading us to new direction is Obama, future belongs to Obama, I am not stupid to Vote for Old Mccain following Bush fail policy.

Posted by: kevin | February 10, 2008, 10:21 pm 10:21 pm

Since when is Senator Hillary Clinton “D-Ill”?

Posted by: Jeff | February 10, 2008, 10:24 pm 10:24 pm

ernie, im white and from texas conutry, just like i said befor, you are racist and i will say that again. i guess a lot of blk people live in nebraska, main, wash, iowa, nd, minn. riht?
ps.
im white and proud to vote for a blk man to rule america if he will bring change to this country. Thats what we should all be going for rather than trying to devide the nation with the whole blk and whit notion, oh..by the way, he is not BLK, HIS MOM WAS WHITE.

Posted by: mark schurb | February 10, 2008, 10:28 pm 10:28 pm

i agree with few things you said kevin we do need a change we do need a demcrate in white house im total sure whop ever win hillary or obama will be the next president , mccain sucks,
let me just ask you kevin who did you vote for 4 yrs ago kerry or bush and gore or bush seince tx won big those 2 elections

Posted by: ernie | February 10, 2008, 10:28 pm 10:28 pm

kevin most of the states you said were all cauces if you read what i said he does good amont blac voters and rich voters and the yuth voters come on now you sound like you have head on your shoulders just look at the polls of the states he won that are not cauces what people are voting for him and you see a pattern,plus the sates you mention wil go rep and always do he wont win if he caint win big states

Posted by: ernie | February 10, 2008, 10:36 pm 10:36 pm

With the Republican nomination wrapped up, Republicans voted in great numbers for Obama in the Democratic Party caucuses today. All that is certain is that most if not all of these voters in traditional Republican states will vote for McCain and do not want Hillary Clinton. Obama will spin this as more evidence that he will take Republican votes in November. This is his massively delusional political speak, moving Democrats toward certain destruction in November.
That people would have the audacity to claim that the most liberal senator in the US Senate will draw Republicans is the biggest joke Republicans have played on Democrats in twenty-five years. That the Democratic Party is so delusional shows the difference between the silly Democrats and serious Republicans in this and every other election in the last twenty-five years.
In one Democratic Party caucus on the Eastside of Washington’s Seattle area, three high school seniors claimed they were in the right caucus, admitted that they had been Ron Paul voters, plan to vote for McCain, but voted for Obama. These young Republicans realized that in many caucuses, the vote could be small enough that they could affect the outcome and there would be nothing that would affect McCain. So they were voting for Obama at the Democratic Party caucus. They were allowed to come in and vote about thirteen minutes late. So it went, for certain, all over the two caucus states. Voters for Republicans in November lined up for Obama, the certain loser in November. In fact, Obama has a lead over McCain only due to the undecideds. Many will come back to McCain or will not vote in November once the handwriting is on the wall. And that is if anyone is foolish enough to consider the polls at all accurate.
Lancaster County Democrats designated 53 caucus locations, and was the last county in the state to caucus. The proceedings were just beginning at 6 p.m. Officials said they saw a number of registered Republicans changing their party affiliation at polling sites “just to participate in the process.” This will prove nothing in Republican states. Until the Fall, of course.

Posted by: cynthia | February 10, 2008, 10:37 pm 10:37 pm

Five reasons Hillary should be worried
1. She is the most hated woman in America.
2. She has more skeletons in her closet than Bella Lugosi.
3. Bill Clinton is her some time roommate.
4. She is pro-illegal alien which means that 75% of all Americans hate her position.
5. She will say anything to gain more power and most of America knows it.
Her platform should say ” self pity”
why will i vote for a woman who cries on national tv when she is lossing a primary, i thought she was a fighter not a crier? guess i was wrong just like millions of dem where wrong about who Bill really was befor his racial slurrs in SC.

Posted by: mark schurb | February 10, 2008, 10:38 pm 10:38 pm

Hey Mark y wife is a latina as well.

Posted by: Evan | February 10, 2008, 10:39 pm 10:39 pm

What is a caucus? It is the most weird way of “voting” we’ve ever allowed to exist in this country. Let’s see. Some people go to some place at a specific time. Those who have to work or be out of town or can’t get a baby sitter etc. they don’ get to vote. These folks chat then divide into groups as per “their” choice. If anyone has less than 15% they’ve got to move to another group. Now understand that your wife, husband, mom, dad, brother, sister, pastor, doctor, lawyer, etc. or boss is also in that room with you. How are you going to vote. Let me think now. However the group pressures you to vote. Let’s look at these amazing victories of Mr. Obama in this carnival like arena.
Colorado approx 100,000 voted.
Iowa approx 25,000 voted.
Washington approx 30,000 voted.
Nebraska approx 38,000 voted.
My all time favorite Alaska – 405 voted. 75% for Obama and 25% for Clinton
This tells me that the press is making much to do about very little. It does give Obama quite a boost both in ego and in the public eye. I guess that win in Alaska is about as qualifying as that primary in California. You know, a primary, the kind of voting that is private with a secret ballot. Why do we need a secret ballot? So there is no way for anyone to pressure you in your vote, like in a caucus.

Posted by: AmazonTraveler | February 10, 2008, 10:39 pm 10:39 pm

AmazonTraveler…………’whatever’
The Clinton machine is about to get rolled over by a freight train call Barak Obama. Against all the odds the coronation of HRC will not come to pass.

Posted by: Evan | February 10, 2008, 10:50 pm 10:50 pm

very well put amazon ,
and if you les the 15% you either choose the side or not vote, 8 states he won was all from cauces,and he has the money to throw into those states hillary was running low on money so she didnt campaign there she saving it till thes upcoming election

Posted by: ernie | February 10, 2008, 10:55 pm 10:55 pm

Records of these two candidates should be scrutinized in order to make an informed decision.
Senator Clinton, who has served only one full term (6yrs.), and another year campaigning, has managed to author and pass into law, (20) twenty pieces of legislation in her first six years.
These bills can be found on the website of the Library of Congress (www.thomas.loc.gov), but to save you trouble, I’ll post them here for you.
1. Establish the Kate Mullany National Historic Site.
2. Support the goals and ideals of Better Hearing and Speech Month.
3. Recognize the Ellis Island Medal of Honor.
4. Name courthouse after Thurgood Marshall.
5. Name courthouse after James L. Watson.
6. Name post office after Jonn A. O’Shea.
7. Designate Aug. 7, 2003, as National Purple Heart Recognition Day.
8. Support the goals and ideals of National Purple Heart Recognition Day.
9. Honor the life and legacy of Alexander Hamilton on the bicentennial of his death.
10. Congratulate the Syracuse Univ. Orange Men’s Lacrosse Team on winning the championship.
11. Congratulate the Le Moyne College Dolphins Men’s Lacrosse Team on winning the championship.
12. Establish the 225th Anniversary of the American Revolution Commemorative Program.
13. Name post office after Sergeant Riayan A. Tejeda.
14. Honor Shirley Chisholm for her service to the nation and express condolences on her death.
15. Honor John J. Downing, Brian Fahey, and Harry Ford, firefighters who lost their lives on duty. Only five of Clinton’s bills are, more substantive.
16. Extend period of unemployment assistance to victims of 9/11.
17. Pay for city projects in response to 9/11
18. Assist landmine victims in other countries.
19. Assist family caregivers in accessing affordable respite care.
20. Designate part of the National Forest System in Puerto Rico as protected in the wilderness preservation system.
There you have it, the fact’s straight from the Senate Record.
Now, I would post those of Obama’s, but the list is too substantive, so I’ll mainly categorize.
During the first (8) eight years of his elected service he sponsored over 820 bills.
He introduced
233 regarding healthcare reform,
125 on poverty and public assistance,
112 crime fighting bills,
97 economic bills,
60 human rights and anti-discrimination bills,
21 ethics reform bills,
15 gun control,
6 veterans affairs and many others.
His first year in the U.S. Senate, he authored 152 bills and co-sponsored another 427.
These inculded
**the Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006 (became law),
**The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act, (became law),
**The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act, passed the Senate,
**The 2007 Government Ethics Bill, (became law),
**The Protection Against Excessive Executive Compensation Bill, (In committee), and many more.
In all since enter the U.S. Senate, Senator Obama has written 890 bills and co-sponsored another 1096. An impressive record, for someone who supposedly has no record according to the spin meisters and mindless twits.

Posted by: Peter | February 10, 2008, 11:01 pm 11:01 pm

Obama’s successes, including winning Maine, aren’t merely about his bringing people together. The media has played a great part in his successes by making him look better than Hillary, by never scrutinizing him; as if he’s just perfect so there is nothing to scrutinize in him. Obama has earned nothing!!!

Posted by: Stfluttr | February 10, 2008, 11:02 pm 11:02 pm

whate ever hillary is still winning in over all delagtes that incuds super delagtes the people are super delagtes are not ignorant on what mark saysif you dont vote for obama your ignorant, these people choose who among hillary or brack is more favour to win in nov and so far out of 796 super its 241 hillary to 135 obama so if or when it goes to convention she win even those people can see she more quilfy to run this country,
and not to mention there awarding 73 delagtes to hillary at the convention arrcording to dnc 73 del that she won in michigan and less not forget fla they be awarding del there to arrgording to dnc at the convention

Posted by: ernie | February 10, 2008, 11:03 pm 11:03 pm

the one main reason why i wont vote for him is and this is from obama mouth him self is he admits he did vote over 100time in his short few yrs as senate, he marked him self down as present , when it comes to voting its yes or no not present present is not voting so if he dont want to or refuse to vote for us then ill do the same ,
and you caint say that a lie becuase that came from his own mouth

Posted by: ernie | February 10, 2008, 11:09 pm 11:09 pm

As I said Honesty and Loyalty is an enigma to the Clintons. Once you have served your purpose adios amigo.

Posted by: Evan | February 10, 2008, 11:41 pm 11:41 pm

In your dreams Hillary H.
Do you think if Barak has the most delegates won and the super delegates give it to HRC. That would not be the end of the democratic party for a very long time. Look forward at least 4 more years of GOP rule. So dream on that is all that is left of the Clinton machine.

Posted by: Evan | February 10, 2008, 11:59 pm 11:59 pm

If Obama is our nominee, I will vote for Mc Cain.

Posted by: John Prescot | February 11, 2008, 12:34 am 12:34 am

Frankly I wanted Feingold. Call me a homer. How can Clinton possibly lose. She had the name, the news services, the super delegates, tons of money, the world press, and her husband and she can’t put away a 2 year Senator. Pitiful. Personally I won’t vote for her because of the shameful way they treated Gore in 2000, everybody knows Bill stayed out of it because of Hillary, and the way they treated Kerry, which is why Kennedy went for Obama. P.S. The war. Does anyone really think she’ll pull our troops out of Iraq? Personally, she reminds me of a female, Democratic, Dick Cheney, arrogant, talking down to everyone, appeals to the fearful, and ripping anyone who dares challenges her. I’ll be voting O on the 19th. (I still want Feingold)

Posted by: jjungr | February 11, 2008, 12:34 am 12:34 am

Frankly I wanted Feingold. Call me a homer. How can Clinton possibly lose. She had the name, the news services, the super delegates, tons of money, the world press, and her husband and she can’t put away a 2 year Senator. Pitiful. Personally I won’t vote for her because of the shameful way they treated Gore in 2000, everybody knows Bill stayed out of it because of Hillary, and the way they treated Kerry, which is why Kennedy went for Obama. P.S. The war. Does anyone really think she’ll pull our troops out of Iraq? Personally, she reminds me of a female, Democratic, Dick Cheney, arrogant, talking down to everyone, appeals to the fearful, and ripping anyone who dares challenges her. I’ll be voting O on the 19th. (I still want Feingold)

Posted by: jjungr | February 11, 2008, 12:34 am 12:34 am

So many of you democrats are sure that us republicans would vote for the Hill in a pinch. Do you even know us reps? I am a life long rep and I would NEVER, EVER vote for Hillary, on the other hand, I’m not much endeared to the rep side these days. So like many of my life long reps, For the first time I will for a democrat if it’s Obama. He IS the man, and change is what we need.

Posted by: Richie | February 11, 2008, 12:43 am 12:43 am

still can’t believe she called iowa “irrelevant” after losing the state!!

Posted by: helloworld22 | February 11, 2008, 12:50 am 12:50 am

Downplay it all you want, Hillalry. It doesn’t negate his win or hide your rudeness in not congratulating Obama.

Posted by: Murry | February 11, 2008, 1:09 am 1:09 am

I have been democrat all of my life, I really don’t think Clinton will be elected. We have had enough of Bill Clinton as President and with him back in the White House I am sure he will be trying to tell Hillory how to do her job. I don’t see any problem with Obama. He sounds honest and he is a young man with new idea’s, want’s to help the poor and we need that for there are alot of poor in the United States today becouse of job loss and out sourcing. No job is secure any more here. And I have alot of friend’s that there son or daughter is over in Irac thank’s to MR. BUSH. The republican’s voted Bush in, and he sure made a mess of are U.S.A. Mcain should retire and live in a beach house. I don’t think he would make a good President at all. I guess we will just have to wait and do are voting for who we beleive in and hope are Country heal’s, and that who ever win’s I am sure a Demacrate this time. There is nothing left for the republican’s to take from us is there? Bring are son’s and daughter’s home and out of that hell hole there in. People loosing there home’s and job’s alot of homless what a mess we are in. Bush dosn’t even have a plan if Irac came here to harm us. Can’t even build up a city from a hurrican, what would he do if the bomb’s started coming this way?

Posted by: Candy | February 11, 2008, 1:45 am 1:45 am

OBAMA AND THE WORLD
INCIDENT 1: On 1 August 2007, Senator Obama expressed in his speech at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars his willingness to bomb Pakistani territory in an attempt to eliminate possible al-Qaeda training bases.
RESULT: American flags were burned in protest in Islamabad, Miranshah, and Karachi. On that occasion, Pakistan’s foreign minister, Khursheed Kasuri, told AP, “It’s a very irresponsible statement, that’s all I can say.”
LESSON: Even if you don’t completely trust a vital ally (President Musharraf), you don’t publically state that you’re willing to bomb his country.
INCIDENT 2: During the campaign for the Iowa caucus, Senator Obama stated that he would “stop the import of all toys from China.”
RESULT: An angry response by Qin Gang, a spokesman for the Chinese Foreign Ministry, describing the statement as “unobjective, unreasonable and unfair.”
LESSON: You don’t directly attack the economic interests of a country that’s holding 1 trillion dollars in US treasuries.
These episodes derive from a total inexperience on foreign policy. But, rest easy America — as Obama claims — his four years living as a child in Indonesia gave him a solid understanding of the world.

Posted by: JMB_Venice | February 11, 2008, 1:50 am 1:50 am

I have kept up with the straw polls, and something seems pretty apparent to me with this primary season. Alot of the states that Obama won recently where there was a substantial win, have been states where Hillary has been ahead in the straw polls by as much as 10%. Especially with Maine, where there was such a turn out, in the snow. I really believe that republicans in alot of these states that allow voters to vote against party and have come out in droves to vote for Obama and that is why Obama has won these states. The republican party thinks it can win against Obama versus Clinton, and that is why I think this has been such a fight. There is no doubt in my mind that this is happening, especially in states like Nebraska, Maine and Washington. Well, if this is the case, Hillary is still doing well, because she is not only going against those that like Obama, she is going head to head with the Republican party, so I think she is still doing good. It just means that democrats need to get their butts out and vote, so we can make sure that the democratic party will be in the White House. As it stands now, if Obama is the nominee, there will NOT be a democrat in the White House. Can anyone even conceive of another 4 years with republicans calling the shots! Get out an vote if you want your voice to be heard.

Posted by: jennyh0821 | February 11, 2008, 3:02 am 3:02 am

jennyh0821 if you think WA was secretly voting for Obama via the Republican party, you’ve read too many conspiracy theories. Were the 21,000 people that turned up in Seattle to see Obama speak Republicans? Were the people at the caucus tables pretending to like Obama? When did they conspire? Because people of every age and persuasion overwhelmingly chose Obama all over the state at a ratio of 3:1. Your theory is not at all feasible.

Posted by: Sloane | February 11, 2008, 3:38 am 3:38 am

I think that all or most CLINTON SUPPORTTERS ARE HAVING A KIND OF FOIBIA OR FEAR FROM REAL CHANGE. THEY MUST CHANGE THEIR WAY IN THINKING . THEY MUST THINK OUT OF THIER OLD FASHION BOXES. WAKE UP AMERICA.

Posted by: fathi m. osman | February 11, 2008, 5:50 am 5:50 am

way to go satish!
Racism is the future of the democratic party. We must make it our new platform. We are a party that divides people into colors and sets them against one another.
As a fellow Clinton fan I couldn’t be happier. Hillary and Bill need to reiterate what you said to make sure latinos in Texas can show everyone just how racist they are. Great platform for Hillary! Way to go!

Posted by: HillBillyFan | February 11, 2008, 6:49 am 6:49 am

Time and time again, Hillary’s campaign is all about ” I, I, I, my, my, my, mine, mine, mine.” If you listen to her speak, all her talks are about her. Hillary, let me tell you straight, Presidency is not owed to you!!! Presidency is a position to serve the people, not for you to be served.

Posted by: truth4ever | February 11, 2008, 6:49 am 6:49 am

Oh, now we see another reason not to vote for Hillary. When she is not getting what she wants, or is losing ground in a discussion, or when the going gets tough, JUST IGNORE IT. Really not a good characteristic for a President.

Posted by: dream on | February 11, 2008, 7:54 am 7:54 am

hillary is winning in the popular vote and winning in super delagte vote and only trailing in del votes by margin of 64

Posted by: ernie | February 11, 2008, 7:57 am 7:57 am

Just shows how quickly things can change. A week ago folks were saying the same thing about Obama–at least as far as delegate4s go, he was behind. So I guess the winner will be decided by whoever is on top when primaries run out. Then the havoc begins. Mrs. Clinton would rather divide the party than give up, and so I predict she WILL come out on top—-one way or another.

Posted by: reply to ernie | February 11, 2008, 8:01 am 8:01 am

Quote from this article: ‘Clinton indirectly criticized her opponent, saying “people say to me all of the time you are so specific, you talk about all of these things you want to do. Why don’t you really just come and give us one of these great rhetorical flourishes and then get everybody all whooped up.”
See, she even admits that she talks about what she WANTS to do. I’ve never heard her give the ‘specifics’ about how she plans to do it…something she constantly criticises Obama for. She doesn’s give the message of hope and vision because she can’t. Period!

Posted by: more double talk | February 11, 2008, 8:07 am 8:07 am

obama is all about hope you need more then hope to run the white house , hope dont get you to do things in the white house, it ashame people dont understand that , that all he has is hope and change the change he talking about is a new face and new name , its ashmae people dont understand that, i ve listen to oabam speek he has not said one thing in deabte or anywhere els of what kinda change he talking about , other asking your self what is he talking about how is he planning on doing those things its all about chnage and hope , just sound like peole are voteing for him for one reason only and that becuase of anti clinton they dont want other clinton in white house , thats all i hear from people now i wont vote for her becuase of bill cheating or i wont vote for her becuase of her last name ,
ive always said this i would love to see how many true obama sopporters out there if hillary win and obama as vp, if 42 % american are anti clinton only becuase of her last name

Posted by: ernie | February 11, 2008, 9:31 am 9:31 am

Ernie: “obama is all about hope you need more then hope to run the white house , hope dont get you to do things in the white house…”
True, hope alone doesn’t get things done. In fact, presidents don’t get things done. The people that presidents appoint do, and the track record isn’t very good for president’s who try to do things themselves.
What presidents do is set directions and oversee the management of the organization they build. I’d rather have some hopeful doing this. I don’t see the benefit of having an agenda set by a president who isn’t hopeful.

Posted by: Paul | February 11, 2008, 10:23 am 10:23 am

Any Democrat who threatens to vote for McCain because their person might not win in the primary ought to be ashamed of themselves.
I’m a 30 something woman who is voting for Obama in the primary for several reasons:
1. I believe he has a better chance than Hillary of accomplishing anything
2. I believe he has a better chance of being elected
3. I dislike the arrogance of the Hillary campaign that she was somehow ‘entitled’ to the nomination
There is more, but those are the main three.
That said, I’ll still vote for Hillary if she is the nominee.
Those Democrats who threaten to vote for McCain if Obama is the nominee, or Hillary is the nominee (and I see more of the first), basically you’re no better than those Nader supporters who helped throw the election to Bush in 2000.
This should be about reversing the negatives of the past 8 years, not perpetuating it, and Democrats who threaten to vote for McCain who will perpetuate it ought to be ashamed.

Posted by: Ann | February 11, 2008, 10:35 am 10:35 am

Ann:There are an awful lot of us who don’t pledge support to a Party–but who vote for the candidate of our choice and who will and are choosing NOT to vote for Hillary Clinton. I totally agree with you that I want to change Washington, and I believe neither Hillary OR McCain can do that. But there are other reasons (a list too long for me to put in writing) for why I will not vote for Hillary if she is the candidate, and, just for the record, the least important reason(#546) is that she is not THE woman for the job. Trust me, I’m not alone in my dislike for her candidacy.

Posted by: dream on | February 11, 2008, 10:55 am 10:55 am

Well, Ohio has traditionlly been a very red state. Don’t count on it Ms. Clinton. You have already had a chance to make change, it’s Obama’s turn.

Posted by: PED | February 11, 2008, 10:57 am 10:57 am

HELLO…..have you been listening to him?
McCain will stay in Iraq up to 100 years
We can take that money we are snorting away and accomplish an aweful lot for our OWN COUNTRY…

Posted by: PED | February 11, 2008, 11:15 am 11:15 am

I’ve lived in New York, Ohio, Florida, and Texas. I can tell you there is not a state in the Union that dislikes that woman more than Texas. From Hispanics to women, I know not one person who would even consider voting for her.

Posted by: DED | February 11, 2008, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm

And why is she looking forward to those states? Hispanics.
I wonder if the Hispanics are starting to feel used or will feel that at some point, used and taken advantage of – totally taken for granted?
They are crazy if the feel she has some great love for the Hispanic community. Funny how she never mentioned them until she needed them. Up until now, we can only assume they were of no use to her. At least Obama has worked on the behalf of many different populations (blue collar, working class, black, elderly, etc.)
The moral of this story, don’t discount people – you never know when you might need them.

Posted by: Francine | February 11, 2008, 12:49 pm 12:49 pm

Posted by: kevin,
Let me repeat this for those of you that missed it, none of us have ever voted Republican either. But, we WILL if Hillary is the nominee.
You all don’t want him and we sure in he– don’t want her.
Let the games begin……

Posted by: Frank H | February 11, 2008, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm

Posted by: sick of the clintons,
And you will have plenty of other Dems. in your corner also doing the same thing, not to mention the Ind. that will also be voting for him over her.
It this had been a half way decent campagin that played out in a fair and honest manner, there wouldn’t be such divisions….What occured instead is the Clinton’s interjected their brand and STYLE of politics into it an many people will NOT soon be forgetting that…insulting, divisive, polarizing, negative, dishonest, unethical, manipulative, you name it an it applies. Regardless, here we are divide and facing the fact another Rep. will gain the WH…..Doesn’t matter to me because I stand on principle. Besides, there is NOTHING any politician can do for me that I haven’t or cannot do for myself. The very principles that I will stand for come November….

Posted by: Frank | February 11, 2008, 1:04 pm 1:04 pm

Seems like we’ve seen Clinton’s strategy before — Rudy Giuliani had a plan to skip a bunch of states and make his stand in Florida. What did we find out? You don’t compete in early contests to your peril. I think her plan to virtually concede everything until March 4th is a big mistake.

Posted by: Reggie | February 11, 2008, 1:10 pm 1:10 pm

I really, really like Obama, as do most Dems, and there are things about Hillary I don’t like, but still, we face too many excruciatingly serious matters now and experience DOES matter, this time especially. I worry about the young, and unthinking, people who are mesmerized by the really wonderful speaker that Obama is, but it will take so much more than a gift for eloquence to care for our country’s interests. Obama is extremely intelligent and I believe an excellent candidate for future races with more experience behind him – and he’s truly a good guy, which is what so many thought and think of Jimmy Carter, but like Carter, I don’t think Obama has the connections needed to get the job done-and it is unfortunate that these connections are a necessary evil in American politics; I hate that too, but it’s a fact of life. I say let’s learn more about Obama over the next 4-8 years and decide based on that, but in the meantime I strongly appeal to everyone to understand our need for someone who can be tough against the GOP who will play their continual attack tactics against any Dem in the presidency, and who resort to projecting fear instead of solutions. But most importantly, someone who is tough enough with MUCH experience to tackle our truly serious issues. I always feel voting is picking the less of two evils; no party or candidate is perfect, but I think Hillary is the best candidate this time. We certainly do not want the war to continue another 100 years! We are not losers to pull out of Iraq after having removed their brutal dictator for them and after spending too long trying to help them get their act together. It’s long past time that we move out – with care – and they stand up to their responsibilities.

Posted by: Chrisco | February 11, 2008, 2:14 pm 2:14 pm

Hillary and Bill do not know how to function in a campaign where the party is looking for sincerity, and Democrats want a more civil discourse in problem definition and problem solving. The Clintons are a football bat in this race.

Posted by: The Annoyed, Intoxicated Coal Worker | February 11, 2008, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm

Ben Randle posted: “Obama is winning only the small states he not coming close in winning the big states ,this is racial but he wont be winning if it wasnt for the black votes most of his votes are coming from black 85 % and the states he winning are 50% or more black ,
last time i chck polls hillary is up in virgina man i hope she need to win and win big she behind in del by 64″
Obama is winning more than small States…He is winning in States with VERY LOW populations of Black voters.
m posted: “What is racial is 85% of black people voting for a black candidate. This is an unprecedented percentage of one group of people voting for one candidate. White people voted 50% for Obama and 50% for Hilary. Which group is using race as basis for voting? Obama might be the first president appointed based on “affirmative action”.”
Wake up! Black people voting for the same person is not racism…it’s solidarity. That is a tool used widely and successfully by the Republican Party. The Dem Party badly needs that! How can you all desert the party’s elected candidate just because it wasn’t the one you chose? That is childish pouting and ignorance. That is like saying, “I am not your friend” because your friend got the toy you wanted. Again! Obama is winning in States with LOW populations of Black voters.
Shane posted: “and a lot of repubs and dems both would not vote for an african-american person, in a secret ballot”
AND
“however, hillary has strength with women (more than half the overall population), hispanics, older people, etc., people who actually constitute the electorate in a general election
You are lost! The primary elections are done by secret ballots, too! The “SECRET” is OUT!
Shane! Do you mean to assert that the electorate is only Hispanics and old people? Think before you speak…

Posted by: Baron | February 11, 2008, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm

Re. Hillary: I simply cannot escape the impression that Clinton is a consummate “machine” politician. I think that this is the real significance of the different outcomes for Clinton and Obama re. primaries versus caucuses. The primaries are driven by the partystructure and organisation, which “Billary” have been working on securing control over for the past eight years. The caucus is far more “grass-rooots” oriented; hence, they tend to reflect popular opinion and enthusiam more accurately than a primary. The fact that Obama is sweeping the ccaucus process is therefore more directly reflective of broader public appeal than Hillary’s power-lifting primary/machine wins.

Posted by: eric | February 11, 2008, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm

Satish posted: by the same token then other races voting for their own race is solidarity not racism.
Implies then that the white people not voting for Clinton are not showing solidarity towards their own race.
That would be a direct derivation. I would not make it but, it is reasonable…and sensible in this case.
I agree with Eric. Obama has a much broader public appeal and I agree that Hillary will change her mouth to match the situation at hand.

Posted by: Baron | February 11, 2008, 6:06 pm 6:06 pm

Got to admire her Guiliani-like optimism. It must be a New York thing.

Posted by: Krashkopf | February 11, 2008, 7:59 pm 7:59 pm

Those who say they will vote McCain in November if their favorite Democratic candidate doesn’t win the nomination are doing nothing more than pulling a Nader.
In a stubborn act of self-righteousness Nader effectively ended up making sure we were all subjected to 7 years (and counting) of incompetence and irreperable damage to our nation.

Posted by: justforkix | February 11, 2008, 8:42 pm 8:42 pm

To:Justforkix–America ended up with eight years of Bill Clinton because of a dude named Ross Perot.Remember him???Had lots of money.He was what in foot ball terms ,what we would call a spoiler.I’ve had eight years of Bill and don’t want Hill.What next??Their daughter???Carolyn

Posted by: Carolyn Walker | February 11, 2008, 11:19 pm 11:19 pm

Democratic primaries have been so far all demographics. Blacks voting for Obama, Latinos voting for Clinton, men for Obama and women for Clinton. If Obama is the Democratic nominee and McCain is the Republican nominee, McCain will win. Because I suspect that Latinos will vote for McCain. Two reasons one McCain has an immigration policy which latinos like and they will not vote for a black candidate.

Posted by: Satish | February 11, 2008, 11:53 pm 11:53 pm

I agree that the race, gender, age, income, education, and–yes, let’s say it–CLASS divisions between Obama and “Billary” are real, important, and need to be analysed carefully to understand what is going on and how to (maybe) predict future trends. But I feel very strongly that the single most important overlooked factor is the difference between the political culture of the caucus as opposed to the primary: grass-roots/populist versus party/machine (the “machine”, as we all know, has been the bane of the Deomocratic Party for +15,000 years; if you don’t believe me, then check-out Martin Scorsese’s almost great film “The Gangs of New York”). If Obama gets the nomination–and I repeat “IF”–then he may very well be the first presidential nominee who got it by dominating the caucus system rather than the primary system. I think this is of long-term importance for the reform of the entire nomination process (say, regional sessions, with a mixture of different states with both primaries and caucuses thrown together). Looking ahead–I think that the super-delegates WILL decide this, especially if Obama wins EVERYTHING in February (which I think he will) PLUS gets a decent split with Billary on 4 March. It is a depressing thought, but the superdelegates will decide this thing on the basis of their own position within the party and their approach to party organisation: that is, machine versus grass-roots. I really think that Obama has got “electibility” on his side; Billary has the rank-and-file and the party establishment on his/her side. I feel that if the Party nominated Billary in the face of the grass-roots movement underway, they will be committing political suicide, both within and outside the party; independents and cross-overs will stay away from Billary in droves. The price of nominating Obama will be to favour the grass-roots over the machine: insiders, hacks and establishment goons HATE that like nothing else.

Posted by: ERIC | February 12, 2008, 12:05 am 12:05 am

Intoxicated Coal Miner hit it head on. Hillary has all but mocked Obama’s optimism and that cynicism is what the people are really sick of. You don’t get to reinvent yourself every time your campaign manager tells you group X wants X, Y or Z and then hope to attract votes from people who are sick of exactly that kind of BS.
Whether Obama wins or loses, politics as usual just got gonged, IMO. You can’t spin integrity.

Posted by: Erik | February 12, 2008, 8:39 am 8:39 am

Satish posted: by the same token then other races voting for their own race is solidarity not racism.
Implies then that the white people not voting for Clinton are not showing solidarity towards their own race.
Let me further clarify: The solidarity I spoke of in my original posting was not racial…it was mental. I respect that fact that, circumstantially, it appears racial. However, people of a particular social order do, generally, vote similarly.

Posted by: Baron | February 12, 2008, 9:33 am 9:33 am

Satish: Because I suspect that Latinos will vote for McCain. Two reasons one McCain has an immigration policy which latinos like and they will not vote for a black candidate.

Posted by: Baron | February 12, 2008, 9:46 am 9:46 am

As we all have seen in recent events sen. Obama has the electibility we so desire in the democratic party. I have confidence that he will attract moderates better then sen. Clinton can. He has the ability to bring together the American people in time of need.

Posted by: Mike | February 15, 2008, 2:51 pm 2:51 pm

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