Feb 15, 2008 6:56pm

Clinton Surrogate Hits Oprah

ABC News’ Eloise Harper Reports: At a fundraiser on Friday afternoon, the mayor of Akron, Ohio, introduced Clinton and added a line about Obama’s biggest celebrity backer, Oprah Winfrey. "Oprah probably knows more about TV than anybody in this room, but when it comes to governing, I just have a sense that Stephanie Tubbs Jones knows more about governing." Mayor Plusquellic then pointed out that Tubbs Jones has backed Clinton.

Clinton, who has received scrutiny for not discrediting surrogate remarks quickly in the past, thanked the mayor, but said, "I don’t know about what the mayor said in terms of the Oprah connection here. I have to tell you Stephanie Tubbs Jones is unique, and I am thrilled to have her as a strong supporter of my campaign."

"I have the highest regard for my opponent," Clinton said about Obama. "We have been friends. I’ve campaigned for him. I think it is exciting to see the extraordinary campaign that he is running."

Although she initially praised the Illinois senator, Clinton later went on the offensive as she continued to hit Obama for not having a universal healthcare proposal, saying, "My opponent has given up on the fight before we’ve ever started. You know he sends out mailings that sound like they have been written by the health insurance industry and the republicans talk about oh we cant possibly get to universal healthcare."

Clinton continued by stating its not "Yes, we can,", but rather, "Yes, we will." She then began chanting, "Yes, we will," to the crowd.

Clinton said her experience as First Lady provided her with the knowledge of how to tackle the demands of the presidency.  "Maybe because I have had the great honor and privilege of seeing that really hard job up close that I know that there is a big difference between speeches and solutions and talk and action."

Clinton spoke about manufacturing and touched on the subject of NAFTA, which has been a point of contention between Clinton and her opponent in the recent days. "We haven’t been allowed to compete, because we haven’t been given the opportunity to compete on a level playing field. I am going to take a bulldozer and level that playing field. We are going to renegotiate NAFTA. We are going to give a time out to trade agreements. There will not be any trade agreements when I am president, unless they have strong enforceable labor and environmental standards you can take to the bank."

User Comments

I can’t believe Hillary is so unoriginal that she stole Obama’s campaign slogan…how shameful!
Obama 08!
The “Real” Jordan Clinton

Posted by: Jordan Clinton | February 15, 2008, 7:14 pm 7:14 pm

Maria, obviously you love the level to which America has descended, wants to keep it there, and can’t imagine that there can be a new dawn in America, right?
The downside of the past 7 years is that Americans are of lowered self-esteem and lowered expectation.
If a candidate put for a bad plan, then by all means savage THE PLAN; but save the personal fight for the maniac muslims hiding out in the bad lands of Pakistan. They are the real enemies, not fellow Americans.
And this time Americans should be rallying around the those who want to ‘change’ the way Washington works; so that real solutions can be had in the areas of the National Treasury (which bush has given away to his greedy friends) affordable health care like most industrialized nations, and a 21st Century education that will allow Americans to compete with the rest of the well educated world.

Posted by: New Yorker | February 15, 2008, 7:16 pm 7:16 pm

Be critical all you want Hillary you and your staff now figure you can go negative all the way to the White House.
Barack Obama as the son of an immigrant father who left his family when he was two years old has overcome incredible odds. He is a man of obvious intellect and integrity. A fresh breeze to do away with the sixteen years of stank in the White House we have suffered through. Yes the Clinton years were better than the Bush ones but should we be proud of Bill? He left and the democrats lost the House of Representatives, the Senate and of course the White House. Not so great a legacy verdad?
Vote for Obama and our country will be viewed with respect again around the world and we will use our treasure for good like education, health care, and Americas infrastructure.
We are spilling blood daily and spending our hard owned cash in massive amounts for a war that should never have been fought. I am a Cuban American U.S. Army Vietnam veteran, my grandfather fought in WW1 and my son fought in Iraq. Barack Obama has it right that our enemies were right were we needed them in Afghanistan and we let them get away and now they are getting stronger regardless of what George W. And his surge b.s. tell you. Guns vs butter plain and simple. We need to vote for change before we are totally broke both financially and morally.
From a mixed racial background to President of the Harvard law review, to community organizer, to U.S. Senator, to President of the United States. This story is the American Dream in real life. Latinos vote for someone of mixed race born to a teen mother who took this start and made all of us immigrant children proud. SI SE PUEDE CON BARACK OBAMA SI SE PUEDE!! YES WE CAN INDEED!!
These are my opinions and I am sticking to them!
RAUL DEJESUS PEDRAZA A Latino who got on the bandwagon way early.

Posted by: RaUL PEDRAZA | February 15, 2008, 7:17 pm 7:17 pm

I have to laugh. No matter what Hillary Clinton says, the obama supporters will make a mountain of it and turn it into something totally different than the intent. Obama has no platform, has not come forth with plans and how he will inact policy, has celebrities endorsing him, is taking fund money and denying it (embedded?)continues to push the race card because he was the first to state that Bill Clinton is racist (when, in the Clinton presidency, did Bill Clinton ever show racisim?), his supporters have started vicious rumors about Clinton, soon McCain, and his supporters act as if its the first time they have heard anything about it and because he said it, its true.
How gulibble obama supporters are. Wait and see omamasheep, what happens if and when he gets nominated. You all will be surprised and what will be coming out about obama and all the proof along with the statements. I kind of feel sorry for you.

Posted by: Lou | February 15, 2008, 7:25 pm 7:25 pm

…. She then began chanting, “Yes, we will,” to the crowd? Come on!! Obama does not chant “Yes We Can” to the crowds– the people spontaneously break out in that and he has to wait for them to stop to continue.
Good grief, Hillary! Could you be any more clueless???

Posted by: SE Croft | February 15, 2008, 7:30 pm 7:30 pm

I can’t believe Hillary is so unoriginal that she stole Obama’s campaign slogan…how shameful!
Obama 08!
The “Real” Jordan Clinton
+_____________________________________

Posted by: Jordan Clinton | February 15, 2008, 7:32 pm 7:32 pm

This is a contest for your votes Mr. Jordan Clinton, what’s wrong with YES , WE WILL….. Is that out of limits ….What about Yes we should…..or Yes we could…. or better….Yes we better had….or the real clincher…..YES WE MUST….elect the best candidate for President.
P.S. Obama wins the award for the best showman on the campaign trail.but….
The award for the best person with the most publicised and credible solutions for US today is Hillary, no doubt.

Posted by: Andy | February 15, 2008, 7:37 pm 7:37 pm

You think she stole his slogan, how about her “green collar jobs” promise and her 60Billion infracstructure bank she cosponsored last year that he is now stating in his speeches. Turnaround is fair play. If he can do it, so can she. Grow up.

Posted by: SheWill | February 15, 2008, 7:38 pm 7:38 pm

It’s funny how people who follow Obama are being labelled “cult followers”. It’s almost like Clintonistas have nothing left but bitterness and slander to drive them. Oh wait. That is all that’s left in the tank.

Posted by: Russell | February 15, 2008, 7:47 pm 7:47 pm

Russell: The Clinton’s are very good at running on empty. I think there is still enough gas in the tank to overtake Mr. Obama on March 4th.

Posted by: Jordan Clinton | February 15, 2008, 7:58 pm 7:58 pm

Do you make fun of the supervisor, or the woman, within your employ, that’s above you.
I am referring to the men feel when they may sense a woman might be the Commander in Chief, or Head of their department.

Posted by: Andy | February 15, 2008, 8:09 pm 8:09 pm

There is a difference between Obama and Clinton. I do know where Hillary stands on issues, but not Obama. But I’m sure I will soon. Or when the Obama team can find enough time to copy the rest of Hillary’s positions. So I’ll vote for Hillary. I don’t need the copy.

Posted by: Mike | February 15, 2008, 8:13 pm 8:13 pm

Tim Burton and Micheal Plouffe are the biggest mind game players I have ever seen . They will surely win the ‘Joseph Gobbells’ award for national propoganda.
Can you imagine it being 2008, and the american public can be HYPED into voting a forrest gump with 2 years of national experience as a junior senator in being PRESIDENT of the most dangerous country in the world?

Posted by: tom | February 15, 2008, 8:48 pm 8:48 pm

Look at this interview about Rezko connection. Look at Obama’s eye movements. He did not even look straight. His eyes are liar’s eyes.
http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=3274326
He lied.

Posted by: john j | February 15, 2008, 8:55 pm 8:55 pm

There are two Jordan Clinton’s? Well I agree with the one on another site. Not the one who claims to be; The “real” Jordan Clinton. I mean not at allllll.

Posted by: irma | February 15, 2008, 9:23 pm 9:23 pm

Jordan – have to say, looks like I was right earlier, in my read of Democratic leadership signals to Clinton. Remember me saying if she resisted the call, the signals would become more overt?
This evening, Pelosi said superdelegates won’t overturn the decision of party members, and Florida and Michigan delegates won’t be seated, unless it was a situation in which they wouldn’t affect the outcome.
That’s about as public as it gets.

Posted by: Paul | February 15, 2008, 9:33 pm 9:33 pm

I cannot believe that the Clinton’s can’t say a single thing about Obama but the media and everyone else slams Hillary for every imagined thing she may have said that goes for Bill also. You people need to look and see what is going on here. The media wants Obama to win do bad that they have thrown ethics out the window. Doesn’t anyone else wonder about this?

Posted by: jarr | February 15, 2008, 9:35 pm 9:35 pm

Quite frankly I am sick and tired of the media coverage and not making Obama accountable for what he says and how he flip/flops but claims “its important to be right from the beginning” I found countless news media reports where he contradicts himself. The lastest being with his original agreement with McCain on campaign money. Now he is not standing by his original agreement and taking a wait and see approach. This is cult like and insanity at its best. I will sit back and enjoy the show when the Republicans get a hold of the inexperienced, flip-flopping, “change you can believe in”, hot air with no substance Obama
anyone but Obama 08

Posted by: Joanne | February 15, 2008, 10:06 pm 10:06 pm

Check your facts Obama was willing to agree to only accept public campaign funds if others would do the same. No one did not even McCain. Dont distort the facts…Obama08

Posted by: Kevin | February 15, 2008, 10:29 pm 10:29 pm

OMG, give a freakin break. Bashing Hillary over something she said, because Obama said it first. Well I like her slogan better.
Yes we will means more than yes we can.
Getting upset over this is too funny. How about Obama taking her “green collar jobs” and calling it his own.
You guys can keep attcking Hillary. It is not going to make a difference to me. No matter how much you shove Obama down my throat I will not ever vote for him. I want my kids to have future, THEY ARE THE ONES THAT INSPIRE ME!!

Posted by: ontherocks99 | February 15, 2008, 10:40 pm 10:40 pm

I’m for Hillary all the way. If Obama takes the nomination, I won’t vote for him. He’s an up and coming crook. His people are trying to strong arm superdelgs and that is not a sign of an honest man.

Posted by: cynthia | February 15, 2008, 10:51 pm 10:51 pm

Obama and his clueless little sheep follow him without knowing his policies or his record.
Obama’s sheep seem to think that the President does not need any international relations experience, does not need any economic experience, does not need any quality time in the legislative branch, can support nuclear companies who dump their waste free of charge, can vote present 100 times avoiding taking a stand on issues facing his own state.
The press have shown us that gender bashing trumps race.
The people of California knew better- they are not sheep, they are free thinking logical Americans who can tell the difference between the oration and rhetoric of Obama and the real change that Hillary offers. Hillary gives details in her policies…gee what a concept.
Hillary supporters require details of policies and implementation…Obama supporters require nothing but hearing the word change a million times and Obama stealing quotes from JFK and MLK.
He cant even formulate his own speeches let alone come up with his own original policies.
Have we begun a culture of sheep? We are a nation born of free thinkers and of a revolution- Dont let Obama turn you into cult of sheep.
Vote Like a logical free thinking American.
VOTE REAL CHANGE

Posted by: JJ | February 16, 2008, 12:50 am 12:50 am

All you Obama’s. Most of you weren’t around when Jimmie Carter was elected and did s horrible job..Watch out for whom you vote for. Obama will be worse than Jimmie Carter was– Oprah is a show person and not qualified to vouch for Obama-Oh I forgot- All you need is MONEY and Oprah has plenty of it and publiclly stated she would finance Obama Look out voters,NC will be the DC
of the US

Posted by: rrmahon | February 16, 2008, 1:05 am 1:05 am

I SEE A BUNCH OF SIMPLE MINDED DEMOCRATS WAITING TO THROW THIS COUNTRIES’ FUTURE IN THE TOILET BECAUSE THEIR FEELINGS ARE GONNA BE HURT OVER A FRIGGING PRIMARY. I SEE MCCAIN FALLING IN LINE WITH ALL THE SAME PEOPLE AND POLICIES OF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION–AND THE REPUBLICAN MSM FUELING THE DEBATES THAT TEAR DEMOCRATS APART. I SEE THE ONCE THOUGHT “MAVERICK” OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY COW TOWING TO THE WILL OF THE CONSERVATIVES, AND DEMOCRATS NOT PAYING ATTENTION. IF YOU CAN’T SEE THAT THEN YOU NEED TO GET YOUR VISION CHECKED!!!!!! THIS IS WHY WE ALWAYS LOSE BECAUSE TOO MANY OF US ARE GULLIBLE AND THINK THIS IS AN EVEN PLAYING FIELD—THE MSM AND REPUBLICAN TROLLS ARE PLAYING YOU ALL LIKE A VIOLIN!!!!! DEMS ARE NO SHOW SELF-DEFEATISTS WHO FALL INTO THE REPUBLICAN MSM TRAP EVERY TIME! JUST LIKE A DEMOCRAT TO ABANDON THEIR CORE VALUES IN FAVOR OF SOMEONE WHO SEEKS TO DESTROY THEM JUST TO MAKE A STATEMENT!!!!!! THOSE OF YOU DEMOCRATS WHO SAY I WOULDN’T SUPPORT THE OTHER CANDIDATE IF YOUR CANDIDATE LOSES ARE NOTHING BUT SIMPLE MINDED BRATS WHO DESERVE EVERY BIT OF WHAT MCCRAZY IS GONNA GIVE TO YOU!!!!!!

Posted by: dividenconquer | February 16, 2008, 1:30 am 1:30 am

Funny, Oprah is a billionaire, while Hillary spent $120 Million & ran out of money.
I know which one I’d trust to manager anything I own & her company starts with an H(arpo), but not her name.

Posted by: Right on Day1 | February 16, 2008, 2:41 am 2:41 am

Posted by: RaUL PEDRAZA | Feb 15, 2008 7:17:55 PM:
“From a mixed racial background to President of the Harvard law review, to community organizer, to U.S. Senator, to President of the United States. This story is the American Dream in real life. Latinos vote for someone of mixed race born to a teen mother who took this start and made all of us immigrant children proud.
Wow, RaUL PEDRAZA your words have inspired me, VERY nicely said, indeed…..”This is the American Dream in real life”.

Posted by: Sandra | February 16, 2008, 2:51 am 2:51 am

can’t obama and his speech writer’s be more original-yes we can=si se puede which was originally ceasar chavez and the united farm workers union slogan.

Posted by: Hedy | February 16, 2008, 3:37 am 3:37 am

It comes down to choice. Under HRC you have to have health insurance or you can have your wages garnished. Under Obama, you can keep the plan you have, enroll in the govt plan or choose not to have coverage. If you choose no coverage and then need it, you can enroll in the govt plan.

Posted by: Louis | February 16, 2008, 4:40 am 4:40 am

“It comes down to choice. Under HRC you have to have health insurance or you can have your wages garnished. Under Obama, you can keep the plan you have, enroll in the govt plan or choose not to have coverage. If you choose no coverage and then need it, you can enroll in the govt plan.”
Well then Obama’s plan sounds better. I’ll play the “take a chance” game. I can quit paying $500 insurance premiums a month and just wait for one of my family members to get sick or in an accident and then sign up. It sounds like the perfect plan for me. Will save me hundreds. Of couse, it will cost the tax payers millions becuase they will have to pay for my hospital/doctor fees because I initially will have no insurance. Isn’t that how things work now???? Where’s the CHANGE????

Posted by: Julie | February 16, 2008, 8:38 am 8:38 am

Don’t agree with that Julie. I think we need to be careful whenever we go down that road of government protecting individuals from their own mistakes, which is what you seem to be arguing.

Posted by: Paul | February 16, 2008, 9:44 am 9:44 am

“Obama’s (economic) plan. is the most shameless piece of potential plagiarism that I have ever seen. He basically took Clinton’s words and Clinton’s policies and called them his own. If I were a professor I’d give him an F and try to get him kicked out of school,” said Kevin Hassett, Sen. John McCain’s economic advisor and the Director of Economic Policy Studies at the American Enterprise Institute.

Posted by: Pat | February 16, 2008, 10:33 am 10:33 am

Obama is all rhetoric from a telepromter Hillary is brillant educated and experienced thats what I want in a machanic, dentist, doctor, lawyer and yes president. I want a leader who will lead from day one DFont be afraid of Hillary she will lead this country out of the slump it is now SHE CARES FOR ALL PEOPLE. She will get the woman and children off living in the streets in this country. She will get jobs so that everyone can participate in this country. Wew do not need help for only one race one class we need help for all.

Posted by: jacko | February 16, 2008, 10:37 am 10:37 am

tHINK ABOUT THIS IF OBAMA IS SO SMART HOW COME HE CAN NOT EVEN VOTE WITH OUT HITTING THE WRONG BUTTON??? wHAT IF HE HITS THE WRONG BUTTON WHEN HE IS IN THE WHITE HOUSE (WHICH I HEARD HE WANTS TO CHANGE TO THE HOUSE OF COLOR) If he hits the wrong button there he might start a nuclear war. We cannot afford his ignorance and inexperience. He wants the farmers in this country to solve their own problems with gas prices by inventing other means of energy. How novel is that Hillary has plans for the american farmer which will actuzlly help farming today to keep american food source flowing and affordable.

Posted by: ROGER | February 16, 2008, 10:47 am 10:47 am

Boy, we have a turning of the tide today! I am betting this blog will be chucked to the archives real soon, once the moderators see that the Obamathon is almost out of gas.
I am not saying Clinton is perfect. We know her trash. We know her deeds. But we also know she is a tough, hard as nails, able to give it as well as take it, candidate. The Republicans want NEW BLOOD because they drained all the old blood right out of this woman and she actually propelled herself to office, against their campaign. But now they have invented a new, ingenious attack.
Take Iowa. Republicans crossed over (after all Huckabee won by a big margin remember?) to vote Anti-Hillary. Plus they had to stand up in a room and publicly vote. Which is sort of illegal when you think about the right to privacy, especially in voting. Can you Obama folks imagine being shoved around in a 20,000 seat stadium of Hillarists? You say you would scream YES WE CAN, but we KNOW YOU WOULDN’T. That is how society works, peer pressure works. Go ask first time drug users. You are not Gods. You are no different. So you hop on the Peer Pressure Wagon.
Anyway, so we have Republicans jump over to Independent. They get Iowa, a white state, for Obama, a man half black, but who seems to rarely mention it in front of audiences on nationwide TV. Afterall his exact words “I am just the black guy (see, not half black) with the funny name.” He wins that state, makes folks think whites have seen the light.
Then its on to NH, but working class folks, you know, the ones that actually work hard for their wages, only to starve anyway. They stood up and said WHOA. Not by much, because AGAIN, you had Independents able to cross over. Karl Rove, the slob (I am sort of one too, so I am allowed, right? :) lol ), gets Republicans to cross over, just watch FOX, then,not now. So now it looks like white will go along.
South Carolina comes and there the BS starts. Pandering in MLK inflections, Oprah getting GHETTO like Mary J. Blige couldn’t on her deep down funkiest day ever. All that BS “Povertaaaay. Incivilitaaaay. Adversitaaaay. ARMerikaaaa, WE have SEEEEEEEN the liiiight. No morrrrrrre.
Clinton is trying to say that MLK was awesome, but without a President friendly to your cause, you can’t succeed because He or She has to sign it into LAW. That remark is then bent into racism. Bill Clinton gets pissed, starts running off at the mouth. And we have an 88% black vote for the black man, based on nothing more than race.
We have a huge new surge in AA voting. And that is AWESOME!!. It is a good thing. What is not a good thing, is having people who never pay attention to politics, never follow really what Congress is doing, what the laws they create mean, deep down, what is not good is suddenly saying you KNOW that Obama is better and its not because he’s black.
You CANNOT KNOW he is better because for the last decade you haven’t followed a single scrap of politics. How could you possibly KNOW? You cannot. You have nothing to compare it to, because you haven’t been voting, or watching, or volunteering, or protesting even. He comes along and suddenly 88% of the black population gets a burst of hidden, heretofore unknown knowledge? It is race. Plain and simple.
So then, you proceed. You call all attempts to point out lies, racism. You call all attempts to slow down the fantasy train racism. You tell us it is our fault that we are not united, while the UNITER riles up his audience, with a fake accent he NEVER HAD, promising a new day and that the past is dead, and it wasn’t that great to begin with.
Then there is a media onslaught. All Channels All The Time. It’s HEAVY RATINGS and CASH CASH CASH. So they run the OBAMAthon 24/7. They paint Hillary as an old hag who hasn’t done sh*t. They ignore the fact that history is made that a woman has won a state primary for the first time in 232 years. But thats not a story. That has not interest. It is somehow a stolen, cheated thing, that that miserable beeeaccch has tricked us and won.
They continue the onslaught, but now I see, finally, there is a turning of the tide. Reality is being checked against phony speeches that aren’t even written by the Messiah. Go watch the Jefferson Jackson dinner speech. He was AWFUL. He had no teleprompter. He was fumbling with note cards. He halted. He paused. He jumped right back to the past, sounding like LBJ instead of MLK. He stammered. He is not what he thinks himself to be.
The free ride will continue until some more people get off the Hillary sites and get off the Obama sites and start finding out, cross-checking their sources. The truth is out there. And just like Clinton, it ain’t that pretty. But at least Clinton takes on some of her baggage. This man says it doesn’t exist. And for that, we cannot have a fantasists, and a rejector of reality, as a President.

Posted by: 2009 Where Are You? | February 16, 2008, 10:48 am 10:48 am

Sure, Jacko, Obama gives good speeches. That’s what candidates are supposed to do. And of course Clinton is criticizing Obama for giving speeches during her own… speeches.
I really am hoping the Clinton camp, since it doesn’t seem to want to drop out and unify the party, will at least prep Obama for the general election better.
Attacks along the lines of being “afraid” to debate for a 21st time and giving campaign speeches aren’t going to do it, I don’t think.

Posted by: Paul | February 16, 2008, 10:51 am 10:51 am

Unify the party? You think after what this man has done, said, lied about, voted against, misrepresented, distorted, fakes, fudged, ignored, misdirected, and twisted that we have ANY intentions of accepting all that as somehow a game?
This man was NEVER a unifer. It was NEVER about unity. It was about misappropriated power in the hands of entry level politics, deluding one’s self into believing one’s right to the top spot, without the resume to warrent it. This man has an Entitlement Complex that shows no bounds or limits.
His voting record in Illinois is ABISMAL at best. You just haven’t checked it independently of Obama.com or Hillary.com. His machinations about Rezko, Exelon, and his own Hsu donations were just glossed right over. His over LONG LONG LONG list of PAC donators, bundlers, Lobbysists is just ignored. Google his lobbyist list and then CHECK out who they are. They exist. This is not Messiah bashing. This is not Get The Black Guy. This is not attack anyone who isn’t Hillary.
This is a fact you cannot ignore. Well, you can, if you like. But I think if you really want to just prove us wrong, go get the lobby list -
this man is a liar. Period.
You’ll be on here in 10 seconds, throwing up the PAST smoke screen, in order NOT to answer or prove me wrong. I am not always right, but I fight with at least some facts. Check them out. but you won’t. Because to check to truth is to doubt the message. And to doubt the message is the first sign of reality, creeping into The Dream.

Posted by: 2009 Where Are You? | February 16, 2008, 11:03 am 11:03 am

2009 Where Are You – You really see a turning of the tide?
Obama picked up two important labor unions, and the backing of the governor in San Juan. He also picked up a couple super delegates from Clinton, plus a few previously uncommitted ones.
Meanwhile, its becomming increasingly clear the national party leadership is suggesting to Clinton its time to drop.
Clinton still has a shot, but basically she would need to overcome Obama’s pledged delegate lead. There’s 17 contests left and a deficit somewhere above 130 delegates.
Even if she wins Texas and Ohio by projected amounts, that will only net her about 30 delegates or so. Let’s say 40. And let’s give her another 15 for Pennsylvania and say she gets a couple more in Wisconsin. That still leaves a deficit of well over 70 delegates to make up in 13 smaller states – some of which ought to be very good for Obama.
And this seems to be best case. After Wisconsin and Hawaii, Obama will have a couple weeks to further their organizations in Ohio and Texas. When they’ve had time, they’ve been effective. They might be able to really mitigate the net delegates Clinton can win.
Party leaders are looking at this and thinking its over. At least that’s my guess. I think what they were hoping to avoid is Clinton coming to the same realization after winning Ohio and Texas, but not by enough. That might be awkward for her supporters to accept – the candidate dropping after two big wins. Anyway, like I said, that’s my guess.

Posted by: Paul | February 16, 2008, 11:03 am 11:03 am

Yeah, I see tons of people starting to reject this BS.
Again, you didn’t take a second to check out ONE NAME on that list, now did you?
You will toss up the past, add a win, ignore any victory, no matter how small, like NM for Hillary a lot like Missouri for Obama.
The BS is coming to a close. Fact check and prove us wrong. Opinions are bullocks. Check the names and tell us how he is not a bold, Clintonesque liar of the most proud sort. He has lied about Exelon. He has lied about Rezko – after all he only ADMITTED Rezko under duress. He lied about Wal-mart and his wife – so she quit real quick. He lied about The Ethic Bill he didn’t sponsor, co-sponsor, edit, or introduce. It wasn’t hard to pass the bill. It took just 2 weeks. Faster than this rebate we are getting. He lied about misvoting. He lied about voting Present. Illinois politicians do NOT have tons of Present votes.
He lied about his economic plan – was already written by someone else. He lied about his lawyer position, attempting to paint in a such a way that it looked as though he was affecting constitutional law when if fact it was more local than local could be. And ineffective at best. He lied about voting against Child Welfare. He lied about voting for Riverside Gambling. He has lied equally as well as Clinton. Equally as false as Bush. He says he is against the war but votes Present when it came to Iran, because he is GUTLESS. He voted to fund every single time. He voted to support in effect the war. He didn’t have the b@lls that Dennis Kucinich had to vote his beliefs.
Obama is a gutless pretender of the worst sort. He won’t admit he has failings. He won’t admit he ha any cloud around him. Distract, dodge, misdirect, and hide. YES HE DOES.

Posted by: 2009 Where Are You? | February 16, 2008, 11:13 am 11:13 am

Democrats must unite!
All this division is playing into the hands of Karl Rove…no, he didn’t resign from the White House to write books. He slithered back into private life to do what he did for GW. WIN THE WHITE HOUSE. If he could win it for GW, all the easier for McCain. First, you divide the Democrats. Second, get them to nominate the weakest for the slaughter. Please, don’t let this happen. The Republicans want Obama to win. The Rove machine will have the time of its life defining Obama their way. Obama will go into defensive mode and will never get his message out (if he has one). Talk of change WILL NOT get him elected in November! If we unite as a Democratic Party and work together, we could control the White House for the next 16 years. Hillary Clinton – President, Barack Obama – Vice President, John Edwards – Attorney General (even better Supreme Court Judge), Bill Richardson – Secretary of State or Ambassador at large (we need someone to clean up this mess in the Middle East that’s been created by the White House Neocon’s). In eight years Barack will have the experience to be President.
We stand at the crossroads…will we look to the future of America and the future of our party, or do we play into the hands of the Rove machine. You better believe it’s cranking in the background and when it starts spewing forth all its disinformation, half truths, and outright lies we better have the strongest candidate to face it head on. That person is Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: democratsrus | February 16, 2008, 11:31 am 11:31 am

2009 Where Are You – You’re right. I didn’t read your post after the first couple lines, so I don’t even know what that list of names was about. I suspect not too many others did either. Same goes for my long response.
I think we both have that problem – keyboarditis, lol.
Anyway, we’ll have to agree to disagree on how we see the rise or fall of the tide.

Posted by: Paul | February 16, 2008, 11:34 am 11:34 am

yeah, I have that disease too, sorry :)
I think you are right about momentum. I think you are right Cat Scratch about Tyson and Monsanto.
I also think I am right, when you look at the absolutely, equally dishonest misrepresentations and out and out fabrications concerning PAC, Present votes, Oops votes, Exelon Nuclear Bills, UoC Hospital corruption, greed, and mistreatment and billing of AA patients vs whites. I think I have a point when I say that the Ethics Bill was not hard to pass, because it wasn’t, and that he didn’t sponsor, introduce, edit, co-sponsor or adjust that bill, cause he didn’t. He makes cracks about old association with Wal-Mart and his wife has a much newer association with Wal-Mart. It is this arrogance that is just so tough to take. He is pure as the driven snow – on the side of the Belt Parkway. At least fact check SOMETHING. PLEASE.
I know Hill is a mess. I know. I know. I have been listening to all these folks talk about forgetting the past because its all about the future. But their only defense of Obama is by heading straight to the past, so they don’t have to face today or tomorrow. McCain and the Republicans are going to turn a lot of minds against Obama, because they don’t give a DAMN about running negative ads. It got Regan, Bush, and Babbling Bush elected easily. That is 20 years of Bush based on negative, EFFECTIVE ads. And all the Messianic praise in the world is not going to prevent some of the ugliest hateful ads on Planet Earth from dumping down from the sky. No, you won’t believe the ads, but a lot of back water folks, with their deep seeded distrust of AA, they will believe it. And they make HUGE numbers. You think Obama is going to win Utah, Idaho, ND, Colorado, Montana, Alaska, based on a DEMOCRATIC contest? I mean you have to be amaturish at best to think this. No way he is going to win them, nor is Hillzilla. Never ever. And he is not going to OK, nor Arkansas, or Kansas, or Nebraksa or South Dakota. You have GOT to wake up to HISTORY. The past tells you something.
You keep using it as a weapon. Well I hate to tell you this but it is going to come back and destroy this man in November. And all the hate that you guys are pushing against other Democrats, implying they are stupid, old, blind . . . makes those of us who have now been fighting back so hard and so ugly NEVER want to support your candidate.
And when we find facts. You talk the past. When we find truth, you bring up old lies. When we find connections and filth, you dig up old treaties and conferneces. But you won’t face your own dirt.
In November, the Republicans are going to make you face your own dirt, whether you like it or not. Hill has already HAD all the dirt thrown in her face. 16 years they have tossed and tossed and shoveled it on. But it didn’t work. Hillzilla is still tramping down those power lines. Hillzilla is still swiping those aircraft out of the skies. And they know this. They can’t think of what else to do to destroy her. They have tried it all. So what they have done is found another Uniter Not A Divider to again divide us and conquer. And you are buying to fork, plate, and table. Even if we sided with Obama, he doesn’t have enough votes to win. You will see this too late. But you will see it.

Posted by: 2009 Where Are You? | February 16, 2008, 11:49 am 11:49 am

All this thread points out is that Obama won’t win in Nov. The unity candidate has divided the Party. By summer everyone will be tired of his empty speechifying. And the Republicans will be going in for the kill. People can cry ‘racism’ all they want, but it will seed enough people’s minds, especially angry white Hillary supporters that they just can’t vote for this guy. Add to that, all the independents who FAKED their support during the Primaries and well this guy just gets about slaughtered. At best, he’ll split the Asian and Latino vote. And he’s already ticking off a lot of women with his not-so subtle chauvanistic statements. McCain’s going come across as moderate enough in his past, no matter how much he panders to Conservatives who will come to their senses and not miss this opportunity to control the Supreme Court, to appeal to centrists voters. Against Hillary, he will lose some of those centrist voters. Once Barack is painted in a corner and has to define his policies, people are going to run like rats deserting the Titanic. They’ll have a Kool-Aid hangover, but somehow they’ll make it to the polls and vote McCain. The Primary Season was the Number One reality tv show of the year, brought to you by the networks and they made millions while the Writers Guild was on strike. It should win an Emmy for best Reality TV show in September. And Roger, you broke it down brick by brick. Very good!!!!!

Posted by: lapalabra | February 16, 2008, 11:55 am 11:55 am

PS Cat Scratch – I like your name!
Sounds VERY educated and classy and I mean that (signed name too). I always wonder how people get their clever nicknames. Mine is just a desperation for it to be over, one way or the other. And face defeat, one way or another. Just like you said, you cannot vote for THAT person. I feel I cannot vote for THIS person either. I have been trying to steer clear of Obama.com and Hillary.com. Huff post is just like Obama.com. The Facts.com is just like HC.com.
Here is a point that can’t be denied, and you must ask yourself the question WHY?
My wife and I found an LA TIMES story, with dates, votes, excuses, whatever. It was not vulgar. It was not too long. It was not dishonest. It was not hostile. It was just true. And we posted it for a night and then into the morning. Our comments BETWEEN the posts were there. But the story was removed, 28 times, by this news agency. 28 times. And then we began to piece it up. Paragraph or two at a time, in between other peoples posts, and our new, commentary posts. EACH AND EVERY PARAGRAPH that had the story in it was selectively and deliberately removed. Then the we tried the link, to let OTHERS draw their OWN conclusions upon reading it. It was removed each and every time.
There is a deliberate desperate need to block articles with dates and votes and facts, when they are not pretty toward Obama. Can someone explain, despite their affiliations, why this is a good thing?

Posted by: 2009 Where Are You? | February 16, 2008, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm

lapalabra – does that mean The Word?
My god if it does, my Rosetta Stone is working!!!! LOL.
PS, if it is wrong, I will have to slap myself for paying XXX.XX dollars and still can’t speak Spanish in sentences. I sound like a caveman when selling houses to my friends here from Hialeah.
Just words, not nice flowing sentences, like the rubbish I sometimes spew here! LOL
anyway. Just wish this was done, as it is going to be, and I can face defeat, either with Obama or McCain. Probably even Hillary. But I just think despite her flaws, she has fight like no one else, because she has had to fight longer than most. And yes, you might say that is because of her own doing. But I don’t want a fresh face, with recycled hope, clueless in office, claiming and meaning well, but not capable of performing. You must have some results of the fight to prove you can fight the future. Because we need to fight the future. It is not going to be this paradise of clean air and friendly wealth unless we fight. The Powers That Be do not want to share their wealth. And that is the future they have bought, yesterday, with our money. so we have to fight. And I think a battle-tested, actually advancing tenatious soul is the one to do it, even with those flaws. I need proof of the fight. Not words. Words are empty. Afterall, most people don’t care for my words. They think they are meaningless and empty and not worth the time to read. but sometimes, buried in the rhetoric lie facts. I just can’t take it on someone’s word what they will do, when they didn’t do it in the past, when it was an easier task, in a smaller place. I am sorry, I don’t mean to be vicious, but that is how I feel in my heart. That if it were me, they would DEMAND I PROVE every statement with documents. They would demand my resume contain the proper degrees and experience. They would demand to SEE what I have done not just to listen to me TELL them. I believe in my heart that most Americans do not get to go from Assistant Store Manager to President of The Company, based on a couple of years of very light work. None of us would get such a promotion and we know it, if we would be honest. Just grab a Help Wanted/Employment section of any newspaper. They all demand actual, physical, verifiable EVIDENCE and PROOF of what you have DONE and HOW you did it. Words won’t do.

Posted by: 2009 Where Are You? | February 16, 2008, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm

No one knows everything. Oprah and media should continue focus working their TV show and leave Hillary Clinton alone. For sure, when making a critical decision Senator Clinton will be better than the young and in-experience Senator Obama who only has 3 years experience in the public work A good talker does not implies a good leader. America is in big trouble now, don’t expect anyone can solve this mess overnight.

Posted by: stock_craft | February 16, 2008, 12:14 pm 12:14 pm

The Clintons did not make up the Obama Cult. The people who are willing to follow him did. Does the phrase “Remember kids…Charlie loves you”, ring any bells to anyone? For those who don’t understand how a conman can take your money away, listen to Obama talk. That’s how they do it. I just pray that people will wake up, and spot the wolf in sheeps clothing.

Posted by: Deni | February 16, 2008, 12:19 pm 12:19 pm

2009 Where Are You, I agree completely that Obama is no messiah and that he is flawed. I don’t think his supporters are entirely deluded to this fact (well, maybe a few are, but let’s not generalize and drag us thinking supporters down with the blind kool-aid drinkers, shall we?). Like you, I am aware of my candidate’s failings. But I have compared his character, campaign, strengths and history with that of HRC, and have chosen to support him, because I do believe he will be the better president of the two, just as I’m sure you feel that way about Hilary.
I am simply re-posting that open letter about Hilary because I feel that it’s something important about a woman who so strongly claims she’s all about health care and the working class people. If a Clinton supporters posted something truthful about Obama along those lines (none of that non-substantial sex and drugs in limo crap that has so little credibility that the mainstream media won’t even touch with a 10 foot pole despite the story having been around for months), I would read it too and judge accordingly based on the facts.
I think we all know our candidates are imperfect and yet we have reasons for supporting them. But at the same time, I believe it’s important that we stay informed. I do not discredit all negative Obama stories just because they speak ill of him, just like I’m sure mature, thinking Clinton supporters receive new negative information and look at the facts themselves. When I post here, it’s not with the intention of bickering or stirring up drama, but with the intention of sharing information. I am also open to being corrected by anyone with validated facts, who doesn’t resort to name-calling or childish accusations like someone named Mary did on another post, which I found more ridiculous than insulting, to be honest. Alas, I chose not to take the high road in that incident. It was too amusing to play along. ;) However, if a Clinton supporter chooses to engage me in discourse in a rational, civil manner, I am happy to respond.
When others post their researched information, whether it is pro-Clinton or pro-Obama, I enjoy reading it too. While I do support Obama, I have also complimented Clinton on this site when I felt it was deserving. I haven’t drunk THAT much koolaid. ;)
By the way, 2009 Where Are You?, your links were not the only ones deleted, so I don’t believe it’s some pro-Obama conspiracy. I have, in the past week, also posted links and info to an article that did not depict Clinton in a flattering light, and had the comments and links removed.
I understand your nickname, and figured as much when I first saw it. =) I can’t wait for it all to be over too. I support Obama for now and won’t deny I much prefer him to HRC, but whatever the case, I will get behind the democratic nominee chosen.
My nickname comes from the lyrics of a musical I enjoy. Also, my boyfriend tells me I’m like a cat – docile, lazy and languid most of the time, but not without alert watchfulness and claws when the situation calls for it (claws here should not be taken in a sexist way… I sure as hell didn’t). =)

Posted by: Cat Scratch | February 16, 2008, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm

oh languid sounds delightful after so much energy exhausted speaking about myself.
I don’t think anything that we have said warrants removing remarks, devoid of profanity. Most literate comments here always have some basis in fact, I like to think. Your Hillary remarks should have been there. My Obama stories should have been there. That is our right because, well, aren’t we supposed to be running the show? I know we don’t but aren’t we paying THEM to do OUR will? But they do their own.
Watch the tide turn slowly towards the Rezko trial start. I am not tossing an ugly in there. I am just saying watch to see if it happens. Now that I think they have really helped Obama with positive press, and the negative press seems mild and easily brushed off, they will now lose out, if the race ends here.
So they will dig and dig and the tide is going to shift, in order to maybe get Ohio and possibly Texas to go Clinton, barely TX. Then that drags the story out until Pennsylvania. She is stronger there and that would drag out the story into May and June. Then it is a matter of weeks to the convention and there lies the series climax. I think they are trying to bend the passions both ways to string along the tale. What do you think?

Posted by: 2009 Where Are You? | February 16, 2008, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm

p/s 2009 Where Are You?, I would also like to add that I cannot speak for all Obama supporters, but I have done some Hillary fact checks myself in the past and corrected myself of a few misconceptions. I hope that you and other Hillary supporters will do the same with negative Obama stories. As for the Jefferson Jackson dinner speech, I did watch it – several times in fact! I admit it was not his best showing, but I attribute it to exhaustion because I, and many other Obama supporters, have seen him give speeches and talk for more than 45 minutes WITHOUT a teleprompter OR cue cards OR notes. And he was an amazing orator even then. I have, in the past, had to give many speeches and participate in debates at a college level. I can assure you that even the best have their bad days, and Obama had one of his at the JJ dinner. I’m sure even you cannot deny that when he is on form, he is tops.
I do understand where his detractors are coming from when they say he doesn’t talk enough about issues, but unlike a lot of Clinton supporters, I know it’s not because he has no substance and no plans. They’re all there on his website, and have been there even before Hillary’s had hers up. In fact, one of the criticisms of Obama at the beginning was that he talked too much about issues in his speeches! Later, he switched to the more inspirational rhetoric we are familiar with, but I guess either way, you can’t win everybody. On one hand, I agree that he should talk a bit more about issues because he needs to reach out to those without the internet (few though they may be in this day and age), and the apathetic who can’t be bothered to go to his website themselves. But at the same time, in big, rally scenarios, I also understand his need to keep the audience’s attention. He often attracts a lot of youth and keeping youth attention is a lot trickier. Go on and on too much about nothing but facts and issues and you’re going to lose them or put them to sleep. His method seems to be to get them fired up, inspired and involved, and have them go home to read up on his issues on their own time. Considering his demographic includes a lot of the highly educated, it’s no surprise that these are the kind of folk who WILL go back home and research his plans and issues. Pros and cons either way, I admit but the candidate must figure out the best way to reach out to their audience. Hilary is not too inspirational or charismatic, but she talks a lot about facts and issues which holds the attention of the older crowd which she tends to attract.
My point basically is that many Obama supporters DO research as many facts as their time permits. They don’t just see the good and ignore the bad in Obama’s campaign. We are critical of it, just as we are critical of Hilary’s. While Hillary supporters are frustrated that comments here often seem to reflect that Obama supporters are dodging issues and ignoring their candidate’s flaws, they should also realize that Obama supporters feel the same way about Hillary’s. It also seems to us that Hillary supporters come here just to trash Obama while ignoring their candidate’s flaws and electability issues. Even the argument, “we know Hil is flawed, but we’re here to bitch about Obama because his supporters think he’s jesus’ holds no water. Wake up, Hillraisers! Obama supporters are not blind and deaf. We know his flaws too, and support him IN SPITE of them, but that won’t stop us from pointing out Hillary’s, just like Hil supporters know her flaws, but won’t stop pointing out Obama’s either. It’s nothing more than an exchange of information so long as it doesn’t get ugly (which it shouldn’t have to). There can be disagreements without nasty divisiveness.
At the end of the day, I believe that a true democrat will get behind whoever is the democratic nominee. Those saying, “if Obama/Clinton wins, I’ll vote McCain” obviously don’t truly believe in the democratic party anyway. Please register as an independent, thanks.
Another point to consider is that the ABC site doesn’t exactly facilitate intelligent, rational discussion. Information comes and goes too fast, and there are too many users to keep track of comments and discussion flow. As such, it often just degenerates into backers of each candidate shouting over one another to get heard, therefore giving the impression that each thinks their nominee is a god (or goddess), and being out to do nothing but smear the other candidate.
When I actually want to participate and listen to discourse and rational comments, I go to a site with less users, such as Talking Points Memo (which is liberal and has its fair share of Obama and Clinton supporters – sometimes one more than the other, depending on the week… This site is not quite recommended for intelligent Republican discourse!)
I mainly come to ABC to read news from a more mainstream source.

Posted by: Cat Scratch | February 16, 2008, 1:33 pm 1:33 pm

And yes, I agree with you on the media playing this out and stringing things along.
I’ve actually noted more negative Obama press of late, than a few weeks ago when Hillary was ahead and Obama was behind. But now that Obama is ahead, the negative stuf is coming out more. It’s just the way the press works to keep things interesting, I expect (though I’m sure we won’t deny that our respective candidates’ campaign staff have something to do with it too).
After Texas, Ohio and Penn (I’m guessing Clinton will win most, if not all – the main question is how small the gap between the two candidates will be), I actually sense more negative Clinton press will come out despite her wins. Whoever’s on top will get hit hardest. The media can’t feed us a happy fairy tale. Soap opera drama scores more readership/viewership!

Posted by: Cat Scratch | February 16, 2008, 1:41 pm 1:41 pm

Real Jordan
“Yes we can” was stolen from the United Farm Workers movement of the 60′s, so Obama can’t lay claim to the slogan. Obama’s speech writer also dates back to the 60′s as he wrote speeches for JFK. All of Obama’s ideas have been stolen from other Democrats. There is nothing real about Obama. That is why his followers all point to his website when asked what he stands for. No doubt Obama himself has to check the website to see where he stands on the issues. This is why he doesn’t do well in the debates. Obama is nothing without his speeches and teleprompter and his foolish followers who have mistaken the presidential election with a high school football rally.

Posted by: Firefighter | February 16, 2008, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm

hummm…Obama as a uniter? Well let’s see – maybe in one respect that’s true. Because of Barack Obama, middle America – those RATIONAL, reasonably minded Democrats and Independents, who clearly see through this snake charmer’s shell game, are uniting in FULL FORCE behind Hillary Clinton for Commander in Chief .
Hillary…
YOU’VE COME A LONG WAY BABY, just a little more to go!
Close your ears to the noise coming from the extremists on both sides. Middle America sees your accomplishments. We see your capabilities. You’ve proven yourself to be an outstanding leader, an inspiration to women of ALL ages, to minorities struggling for a better life, to Americans who believe in the true power of this great country.
Hillary, you have endured personal tragedy in the public spotlight with supreme dignity and grace. You have weathered the republican attack machine’s malicious onslaught of biased, unfair and sexist attacks, yet look – you’re STILL STANDING…becoming stronger each and every day.
You have spent a lifetime working to fix the grave problems facing our country. Your track record is PROVEN. The radical right is running SCARED, because YOU are the candidate they fear.

Posted by: CMC | February 16, 2008, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm

Come on Rachel. You are trying to say her 8 years in the White House as first lady count for nothing. Get real. They are going to have to show Obama when the Little Boys Room is for the first 30 days if he gets elected…lol

Posted by: Jordan Clinton | February 16, 2008, 3:36 pm 3:36 pm

Where is Ralph Nader when you need him!

Posted by: Emanuel | February 16, 2008, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm

Reading these posts, the level of vitriol is palpable.. so much for obama’s message of uniter and hope!

Posted by: Marina Re | February 16, 2008, 3:57 pm 3:57 pm

Oprah Winfrey’s endorsement of Barack Obama equates her endorsement of James Frey’s book, “A Million Little Pieces” as truth instead of fiction. Not only is Oprah’s endorsement of Barack Obama wrong: It’s deluded. Most, importantly, Winfrey’s endorsement appears to be based solely on race; not competency.
When it comes to the presidency we don’t have the luxury of time to give Oprah a second chance to admit her mistake in front of millions of people, as she did after her erroneous endorsement of James Frey’s book. My fellow Black Americans please don’t let a woman who does not know the difference between truth and fiction tells you who to vote for.
Black Americans, who are supporting Obama on the sole basis that it is time for us to have a black president, will be in for a very rude awakening and disappointment when they discover that, as president, Obama can not and will not be an advocate for their causes: He will not and can not be a Race Leader.
Hilary Clinton is more likely and in a better position to be a champion for the issues that plague Black Americans in this country than Obama can or ever will be.

Posted by: Mellanson | February 16, 2008, 4:06 pm 4:06 pm

I really believe people want someone like President Kennedy back in the White House. I am an independent and always vote after I have listened and read. Obama’s hands will be tied…no matter what. By the time he figures out who the players are and what they are playing for, we will be back with the Bush people…which is what they want.
The memories of a time gone long ago; the Kennedy years, will not return..not even with Caroline’s endorsement. If your eally want new, get rid of Ted Kennedy’s endorsement..he’s old hat.
It is sad that we have a chance to bring about real change in the Health care system and in the educational system, and we are being led by emotion rather than brains.!!!
Wake up..the new people who are now voting are new voters, with little past involvement in the political scenery.

Posted by: shf | February 16, 2008, 6:02 pm 6:02 pm

Regarding his house purchas:
There is no need lie or not. This is corruption.
If in other country, no matter how you explain, this is a matter obama can’t explain. This deal save him $300,000 at beginning, and later save another $200,000 for part of the lot.
This is corruption. He spend more than reasonal cash to buy the superdelegates, can’t imagine when he real bocome president, what kind of corruption are going to happen?
We don’t want a drug user or corruption guy in office.

Posted by: larratta | February 16, 2008, 6:11 pm 6:11 pm

Jordan Clinton- “Yes We Can” was the rally cry of Latino immigrant farm work Caesar Chavez who worked with Sen. Bobby Kennedy to reform farm workers rights. FYI- Caesar Chavez’s grandson and Bobby Kennedy Jr both endorse HILLARY..Soooo the facts are: Obama ripped off Caesar’s rally cry.

Posted by: Attention Jordan Clinton | February 16, 2008, 6:46 pm 6:46 pm

Yes- Obama supporters think he is so original- but he’s not. Even all of Obama’s speeches are written by some skinny white guy.

Posted by: Terry | February 16, 2008, 6:49 pm 6:49 pm

Here’s the truth. No candidate is without sin. Clinton’s scandals and Obama’s suspect “friends” to include: Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson, Tony Rezko, Louis Farrakan. What will these people demand in return. Politics is about what can you do for me. So at some point the price will be paid. Clinton’s paid hers and now Obama will have to pay his.

Posted by: Mary | February 16, 2008, 7:46 pm 7:46 pm

The idea of a woman president that does NOT own a dress is a big problem to me.

Posted by: David Rosenberg | February 16, 2008, 7:52 pm 7:52 pm

Bill Clinton is innocent of lying. When he said ” I never had sex with that woman” he thought the question was referring to Hillary not Monica.

Posted by: David Rosenberg | February 16, 2008, 7:56 pm 7:56 pm

The Clintons. How low is ourself esteem? We will find out!!

Posted by: David Rosenberg | February 16, 2008, 7:59 pm 7:59 pm

Can you get hip surgery so you can wear a dress? Tell Mrs. Pantsuits

Posted by: David Rosenberg | February 16, 2008, 8:01 pm 8:01 pm

David: Your comments are so original. Did you get those from one of Obama’s speeches?

Posted by: Randi | February 16, 2008, 8:19 pm 8:19 pm

Historically, the candidates who had been elected as the president of America at their forty’s made the superb
and the best president like JFK and Bill Clinton. I have the deep down believe, Barack Obama in his forty make him a legendary president.
He will win the nomination fight and can easily defeat the old, the so-called
the best security and safety specialist Mr. Mccain in Nov 2008. The best secured places in the world are jails. Mccain will walk the every step his toddlers boss Mr. Bush stumbled in his two terms and can turn the country a huge jail curtailing the civil liberty. He can fight the war against terrorism for hundreds but never can win it following the foot-steps of Mr.
Bush.
The name ‘Barack’ of Barack Obama
means blessing. He will, God willing
, be the blessing for the USA and the whole world. He can win the war of terror in 6 months I believe. He is the agent of change, the agent of unification, the agent of reconciliation between people and people from east and west, from north and west, the agent of peace,
prosperity and progress.
He is the fresh and formidable force of positive change which the people of America and the world around are aspiring so avidly.
Hillary can’t do that job because she is the candidate of choice of
Mr. Bush as once Mr.Bush remarked about
Hillary that she can make a good pre
sident from democratic side.
She has been faking now as the harsh critique of Bushite policies while her track records show she had always said Yeah to every major steps including giving Bush the blank check for waging
the pre-emptive war.
She has 36 years of experience she brags
, a too long experience to keep one
in the job and that too long experience warrants her retirement and pension. She said people want change and she is the change agent and furtherrd the claim
saying that the biggest change will be that first time in American history the nation will have a woman president.
But I believe, people want the real change in polices, not the mere
gender change. The gender change is not a big thing, just a surgery is enough but change in the trend and direction of politics is the humongous job, the hardest challenge.

Posted by: abuusa | February 16, 2008, 9:40 pm 9:40 pm

Obama’s cult and his clueless followers backing him without knowing his policies or his tiny record. He can vote ‘present’ to avoid taking a stand on issues facing his own state.
Hillary gives details in her policies. She offers solutions and implementation. Obama can’t even formulate his own original policies except promises. Obama supporters require nothing but hearing the word change a million times and stealing quotes from JFK and MLK.

Posted by: tigerjcs | February 17, 2008, 3:25 am 3:25 am

Has anyone ever seen the Queen of England cry in front of her people. Mrs. Clinton is a complaining cry baby when she loses or if she does not get her way. She does not deserve to represent the US as our President. She needs to go home and take care of Bill. That is the only thing in my opinion that she does well.

Posted by: Darcel Willis | February 17, 2008, 3:28 am 3:28 am

You choose we choose between two talented candidates Senator Barack Hussein Obama and Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton. Viva America.

Posted by: john | February 17, 2008, 3:33 am 3:33 am

Obama stole “Yes We Can” from the 1960′s Democrats in Texas. Democrats have been using the “Yes We Can” “Si Se Puede” slogan in Texas for decades. Sí se puede (Spanish for “Yes, It can be done!”) is the motto of the United Farm Workers. it was originally coined in 1972, during Cesar Chavez’s 25 day fast. —————– Both Hillary and Bill Clinton used that slogan while registering Latino voters in the Rio Grande Valley as young Democrats. ———- Obama has never had an original idea —– If he wants change so bad he should start with the dim bulb in his head. ————————

Posted by: John D | February 17, 2008, 4:18 am 4:18 am

I tend to marvel at the politics that is unfolding before our eyes. The clinton supporters are happy to see bill degenerate into a tom & jerry character just to get his wife elected, I suppose its another unfinished family business. The Bush family unfinished Iraq business is what has kept us bogged down in Iraq and has sacrificed more american lives than died in the twin towers.
In our life time, we have seen an ex-president campaign for a family member.
George Bush snr easily comes to mind.
The difference between Bill Clinton and George Bush snr is the latter did it with statemanship,decorum and sound judgement as befits an ex president unlike clinton who’s indulging in gutter politics unbeffiting of an ex president.
Obama is really exciting, but am too old and set in my ways to want to change anything. simply put am scared of change. Maybe to a younger generation he is the person to lead them.
That leaves me with only McCain to vote for and he happens to be in my age group. I feel more comfortable with him.
By the way, why haven’t Barbara Bush been considered? She would be an excellent president her Resume is impressive.
8 years as Second Lady
4 years as First Lady
many years as Governor Grandma Lady
another 8 years as First Grandma Lady
Dont blame me!! old age comes with it attendant cynicism

Posted by: rob | February 17, 2008, 8:46 am 8:46 am

rob: The only thing that McCain knows about politics is “WAR” because he spent several years in vietnam and is a ware hero. Bill Clinton can buy and sell John McCain when it comes to politics and so can Hillary. Where have you been all this time. Obama lacks everything needed to become a president of this country and he really should not be campaigning. He is part Kenyan not a true blue American black. I would not vote for him even if Hillary wasn’t running. I do not cater to candidates that are not all American and are not born in the US and Obama is one of them.

Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | February 17, 2008, 10:09 am 10:09 am

Nice speeches
A lot of feathers but not much chicken though.
His method of coming together means failed attempts resulting in watering down and selling out.

Posted by: GM | February 17, 2008, 12:09 pm 12:09 pm

The writing is on the wall, Yes Obama will win the nomination and it’s time for Hillary and her supporters to admit this fact. Hillary is too polarizing, she has time in service yet Obama has done more than she has in his first year. This may be a clear indication about how hard Hillary will really work for everyone. There are too many questions about Hillary’s past and that past seems to be troubling; so troubling that she may be too distracted by her personal legal matters to serve the people of the United States. There is no way that anyone, who can think logically, can believe that Hillary will be a better president than Barack. If you believe this then fiction over-rides facts, and your brain is too filled with bias to process information fairly. The people who support Hillary are likely the same individuals who supported Bush, and this explains the illogical thinking. Obama does deliver a good speech, he has more experience than Hillary (despite her claims), Barack has demonstrated that he genuinely care about people and he has shown this by helping people in his community. Barack is no God but even if he was I fear that some of you would side with the Devil to get your way. Try reading something before you post comments to discredit a person and if you wish to follow Hillary down her road of deception, it is you who will be sorry.

Posted by: Arthur | February 17, 2008, 12:56 pm 12:56 pm

What experience? A year in the US Senate. Are you really going to count his years in the State senate. Most people don’t even know the names of their state senators.
He barely has a record to defend and that’s why he has sailed along.

Posted by: Henry | February 17, 2008, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm

Well said, Liwai. I couldn’t have made a better argument myself.

Posted by: BN | February 17, 2008, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm

Bush was a Uniter…
Obama is a Uniter…
Bush said then (in 2000) he would reach across the isle to work with Democrats and independent as he did in Texas…
Obama says that he would reach across the isle to work with Republicans and independent as he did in Illinois…
Sounds farmiliar?
Is Obama just copying texts from Bush the candidate? Unless you were very young in 2000, you know this is a case of a new candidate trying to sound different because there are no records. Voting “present” is a very convenient way to make sure that you have no established position on any issue that your opponent can use against you.
This is a new art form of politics. Yeah, the one Obama has been talking about in his speeches.

Posted by: SAMMY | February 17, 2008, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm

Hello Americans how is it that you all dont notice how Hillary and even Maccain….all stealing Obama …words and campaign slogans …..if you all cant see it the whole world is looking at you …
Why cant Hillary sell herself without putting negative words?….She is damaging democracy acroos the world especially those areas of the world that are learning it or trying to consider it…
Let the USA not be very backward and undemocratic in bringing in FL and MIC through the back door, after Obama has simply respected their rullings as to those states …..if they do it will not only damage the DEMS but also the standing of the USAand the cuase of democracy.
Is it that Hillary and her group have no shames to want to gain from some thing done without respecting others rulling to which I understand they signed to?…
Oh she really wants to win by all means.

Posted by: Humanity | February 17, 2008, 5:18 pm 5:18 pm

LET NOT THE USA MAKE A PRESIDENT SOMEONE WHO CANT RUN AN ELECTION
INSPITE OF THE NAME START AND HEAVY CAMPAIGN MACHINE.
DO YOU NOT SEE OBAMA’S SKILLS AND CAPABILITIES IN THE EXCELLENT CAMPAIGN?

Posted by: Humanity | February 17, 2008, 5:34 pm 5:34 pm

To learn about the details of Obama’s proposals, do two things: First, listen to his speeches since February 15. He has established firmly in the minds of the electorate his vision for the future of US politics, the country and the world and knows its now time to get specific. Second, his website, like Clinton’s website, is comprehensive in its details about his many policy proposals. And remember, both Obama and Clinton have publicly observed that 95% of their policy suggestions are the same. The question now is who can build the broad base of support that it takes, and has always taken, to get policies passed. It matters a great deal that whereas Clinton often refers to being able to “fight” McCain and the Republicans, Obama speaks about “debates” he can win against them. Clinton was socialized in the kind of politics where it was Us against Them, a politics where few things get done. Obama is rather like Reagan, except he’s progressive instead of conservative, in speaking across the false divisions of race, party, religion, and region in order to create transformational change. If you want to do more than talk about health care, immigration, war, and other reforms, support Obama. He knows what he’s doing.

Posted by: Marcus Watson | February 17, 2008, 5:48 pm 5:48 pm

To Whom IT May Concern about America!
I am an Asian American who lives here for 20 years long. I love America country and Democracy system. I am proud I am American citizen. I wish all American get real and love their own country as much as I do. Get real about our election, our leader and our problems we face for now and next generations comming.
Get together for selecting a qualified, experienced and good heart president of United States. The one who can handle a big job, who can work cross the party lines, Washington politics to make things done well.
Good Luck and God Bless America!
K Phan

Posted by: K Phan | February 17, 2008, 6:11 pm 6:11 pm

When Republicans actually prefer running against Hillary to Obama, what does that say about Hillary as a candidate or competitor?
By saying she’s vetted, tested and battle-scarred— she’s admits to being a “punch drunk” boxer ready to take the next barrage of blows from the Republicans. A bloodied face, blurred vision and wobbly legs is no virtue in the ring.
Obama on the other hand, is disorienting to both Hillary and the Republicans. He’s a south paw boxer, able to land blows on his opponents who have grossly miscalculated his speed and agility.

Posted by: DT | February 17, 2008, 6:29 pm 6:29 pm

I like Obama, but I don’t think he is ready to lead the country. Hillary is extremely smart and very capable. And it is time for US to have a woman president.
Go Hillary!

Posted by: Pria Kumar | February 17, 2008, 9:47 pm 9:47 pm

To;Stock Craft–I’ll leave Hillary alone —-so alone– that I won’t vote for her Carolyn

Posted by: Carolyn | February 17, 2008, 10:32 pm 10:32 pm

I don’t know why the American people think that voting for Hillary will bring this economic back. There are jobs that are from NATFA (Clinton era) that are not coming back to America. The Clinton era is over. People are finally waking up that Hillary had 8 years to fix healthcare, and Bill to close the loopholes in the NAFTA agreement with China, which China has fully taken advantage of. Instead he said it was a mistake. A costly mistake of almost 1 million American jobs. The apple don’t fall far from the tree.

Posted by: Issie | February 17, 2008, 11:59 pm 11:59 pm

It’s really quite simple: how can anyone who is incapable of puttint together the right personnel to run a small presidential primaries campaign successfully, without running it into bankruptcy, possibly lead the United States and turn the economy around. The Clinton campaign started out way ahead, flush with funds, name recognition, huge rollodex, and clout. In a matter of weeks all that unravelled due to bad management, poor strategy, and mediocrity. The campaign went into bankruptcy, prompting her to loan it a whopping $5m to tide over. It lost its huge national lead, lost 20 primaries and caucuses in 10 days, and had to fire its manager and deputy manager. If that happens with our ailing economy while we are at war, you can see for yourself what mess we’ll all end up in. The Clinton campaign may still win Wisconsin on tomorrow, but so far Senator Clinton has given us a fair idea of what her administration will look like: incompetent, confused, and lacking in foresight and good strategy. For a nation at war with an economy in recession, that’s a good sign of disaster ahead.

Posted by: Bruce | February 18, 2008, 1:27 am 1:27 am

I have no desire to support Obama. I will vote McCain before I vote for him.
Obama’s message is all BS.
250 billion dollars to pay for his “change” plan.
Just how does he plan on getting this money????
If anyone knows please share.

Posted by: ontherocks99 | February 18, 2008, 7:59 am 7:59 am

Obama stating that words count is a joke.He sited others speeches what he failed to say was that they didn’t say them over and over and over.

Posted by: roncraw | February 18, 2008, 10:02 am 10:02 am

How Hillary can insist that she had 8yrs
of experience during her stay in the White house. She was completely unaware of what
was going on in the oval office (Bill and
Monica). While she was reading the National enquirer upstairs and insisting that she was getting involved by Bill in state- business, Bill was busy doing his private
coaching and training of monica instead.
Shame of Hillary insisting those Bill-years
count as years of experience. Edward

Posted by: Edward majo | February 18, 2008, 11:33 am 11:33 am

Bravo to the note above Posted by: UGOCHUKWU | Feb 18, 2008 1:10:37 PM. He is right on the money!
That is exactly the Republicans are doing. None of the states that Obama won such as South Carolina, Kansas, Virginia and others will vote for a Democrate! These states are very INDEED REPUBLICAN STRONHOLDS.

Posted by: Navid | February 18, 2008, 1:55 pm 1:55 pm

How do you know what went on in the white house, were you there? Everyone has a personal life and Bill Clinton is no different. It did not interfere with his presidency and Hillary was right in not divorcing him. There are thousands of married men cheating everyday of the week and so are their wives. What is the big deal. Bill Clinton was not the only president that cheated. Get a life.

Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | February 18, 2008, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm

It is amazing that Hillary would criticize Obama on anything relative to celebrity endorsers. Do you think for one minute if the Clintons could have gotten Caroline Kennedy or Oprah Winfrey they would have done anything but do the Snoopy dance behind close doors?
With regard to NAFTA (NORTH NMERICAN FREE TRADE AGREEMENT)it is the last thing the Clintons should bring up. NAFTA is the no. one reason good paying American jobs have gone overseas and layoffs in record numbers have been occurring in almost every area of production. Clinton I believe in his 1st or 2nd year in office signed off on the most devastating trade agreement to face this country and we have still have not seen the end of its destruction.
Did you know that Arkansas has more billionaires than any state in the Union? Think about that.

Posted by: Michael Williams | February 18, 2008, 5:30 pm 5:30 pm

Democrats who rant that if their candidate doesn’t
get the nomination they won’t vote in November need to grow up! The republicans love this in-fighting–because that is exactly what gave Bush his second term in office!
Yes, I support a candidate for the nomination. If this person doesn’t win the nomination–I will support the other nominee. Ending the war, ensuring healthcare for everyone, saving our planet, our failing economy–does anyone actually still believe that any republican is going to address these issues? Both democratic candidates are close in all of these issues, I will vote democratic in November–
The days of war, torture, spitting on the constitution, kissing the rear-ends of corporations at the expense of the worker are over!!!!
Repubicans–I have one question–Can you hear it yet? The sound of the footsteps of millions of democratic voters uniting to push republicans out–and put all of you in a museum where you belong. Maybe we will take a tour with our children and say, “these are the people that took control of our country for eight long years, and almost sent us all down the drain.”

Posted by: DQuinn | February 19, 2008, 6:10 am 6:10 am

Does anyone proofread these articles? It had the grammar of a text message.

Posted by: Eltonjock | February 19, 2008, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm

The republicans are strongly salivating
at an Obama nomination.They have started
playing thesame dirty politics on Mrs Clinton
that they played on senator JohnKerry,former
Georgia senator Max Cleland Cynthia Mackeny
and a host of others.The republicans and the
media are so silent when it comes to asking
Obama his stands on certain issues.Obama is
too liberal for the general election. Everybody
know that the voters of this country always
vote from the center.They know that the
only place that they can successfully
challenge Mrs Clinton is in the very
left of the democratic party in the
primaries.This is working for them now
but I hope the all the hard working
middle class Americans see them for what they
are up to.If Obama becomes the nominee,which
I hope not,watch the slaughter.Did anyone
remember what was done to John MCain a war
hero in the2000 prmaries,treated General
Collin Powell like no secretary of state when
he dissagreed of going to war
immediately.Obama is not ready for this job
yet.The last time I checked on the
classified section of employers looking
for new employees,the ads. always states “only
those with experience needed”.The world
is very complex at this time,the economy is
very bad, and the health care needs reform. We
do not need on the job training president right
at this time.This a serious decision people.I
careless about the Obama cult and this is what
I call his followers. People this is not a joke.He
keeps using the word quote ” I am a uniter,I will
change washington,I will reach out to the
republicans and independents” unquote. Does
this sound familiar people,remember who made
this famous in 2000 election and where are we
after we voted for that change.Things have
never been the same. I strongly believe that the
people of Iowa put the democrats into this
mess.If they have voted purely on who is very
qualified,experienced and had the best chance
of winning for the party in the general election
the party could be looking for who is going to
be senator Hillary’s running mate.
I think that we should this time give a woman a
chance,she has the experience,than Obama
DEMOCRATS DO NOT LET THEM TO WIN THIS
TIME.DO NOT FALL TO THEIR GAME.HILLARY,
YOU HAVE MY VOTE>

Posted by: UGOCHUKWU | February 19, 2008, 6:23 pm 6:23 pm

Black Americans, who are supporting Obama on the sole basis that it is time for us to have a black president, will be in for a very rude awakening and disappointment when they discover that, as president, Obama can not and will not be an advocate for their causes: He will not and can not be a Race Leader.
Hilary Clinton is more likely and in a better position to be a champion for the issues that plague Black Americans in this country than Obama can or ever will be.
As an African-American woman, who supports Obama and is a pledged delegate, I resent what Mellanson said. I don’t support Obama because I think it’s time for a black man to be president. I support Obama because I want change in Washington. How dare you say that African-Americans in this country only supports those who are black or “it’s our turn” thinking. There are African-Americans in this country that are educated and can choose who they think will represent us in the White House. What has Hillary done for African-American lately? I love Hillary. I do, and last year, I had made up in my mind I wasn’t going to vote in this election because I had three people who I adore running for the Presidency. John, Barack, and Hillary. As the months went by, my support was still for John and Barack, but Hillary was acting too much like this was going to be easy for her. Like she had African-Americans in her pocket. Not that I’m bashing Hillary, but since she has become Senator and Presidential candidate, Hillary comes to the African-American community when she sees fit. She goes to the Latino community when she sees fit. To me, she’s one of those “I’ll ignore you until I need you.” people. When has Barack done that? I’ll have you to know in 2005, in Eatonville, FL, the home of Zora Neale Hurston, Sen. Obama came with Sen Bill Nelson for a town hall meeting. And this was after an election year.
Many people may think that I am crazy, but I’m not. I just know that it’s time that I see some real change. Not just the same old same old. It’s time that I be proud of the fact that I’m from the USA. I need change. My daughters need change.

Posted by: LaKeisha Chestnut | February 19, 2008, 6:32 pm 6:32 pm

We are so desperate for change that we have voted for a man that has no experience or accomplishement! We are do desperate that we are going to make a man that jumps on Oprah’s coat tails to become president. We are so desperate that we let Oprah tell us what to do and like blind sheep we follow without questioning, what change, what is Obama saying, what is he going to do and where did he come from. READ THE BOOK THE PACKAGE PRESDIENT, I THINK STORY ABOUT NIXON. NOT TO SURE OF THE EXACT NAME BUT VERY CLOSE AND YOU WILL SEE OBAMA HAS BEEN PACKAGED AND WE ARE THE FOOLS THAT HAVE LET OPRAH AND I DON’T CARE HOW MUCH MONEY SHE HAS GUIDE US INTO THE HELL WE ARE ABOUT TO GO THRU WITH THIS PHONY MAN. I HOPE I AM WRONG! I REALLY DO..MY PROBLEM IS THAT I DON’T WANT TO RISK IT IF I AM NOT WRONG.

Posted by: xoprahfan | February 20, 2008, 1:41 am 1:41 am

During the last debate, Clinton said that she and Obama had so much in common…now Hillary is comparing Obama to George Bush? Hillary has to make up her mind as to what she says…either her thought process needs help or her writers are not servicing her right.
The comparison between Bush and Obama made by Hillary was a desperate move on her part. Instead of remaining on the issues, she is trying to trash her opponent.Trying to look good by putting the opponent down… that is not Presidential!!! Hillary represents an outdated way of negative, conflict-ridden, divisive campaigning. Though I did not vote for Obama, I can see that Hillary is not presidential. Will Hillary behave the same in the international arena? Of course!
In the Democratic party, Obama is a better choice. In the Republican party, mediocre McCain seems to be the likely nominee.

Posted by: GLO | February 24, 2008, 9:16 am 9:16 am

Trying to attack Oprah is another negative tactic used by Hillary….Wasn’t it more important to be an issue. Hillary will only start getting people on her side when she starts talking about the issues, not putting people down.
I am so surprised that Hillary did not know better than to reject the “Xerox” comment during the debate. It was a reflection of poor judgement that her body language later on showed that she was frustrated (not sorry) for the poor choice of words.
Once again, trying to look better by putting someone else down. It happens over and over….it is the Clinton trademark!

Posted by: GLO | February 24, 2008, 9:22 am 9:22 am

Oprah who?

Posted by: Janet, Virginia | February 28, 2008, 10:59 pm 10:59 pm

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