Clinton’s New Anti-Obama Mailer

Hi Jake,
I’ve heard Mrs. Clinton say that garnisment of wages is the penalty for not buying healthcare. My question is: if you do not have wages to garnish, then what?
o Small business people, consultants and others independently employed?
o What is the penalty if you are fined and don’t pay?
o Lawsuits by the gov’t?
o Jail time?
o Bankruptcy?
Honestly, I don’t know but I’ve been wondering about this..
If you don’t pay your fines for not being able to afford the healthcare that Hilary mandates that you buy, will she be entitled to take your home away?
Even if you did pay couldn’t it well be the straw that breaks the camel’s back and puts your family Outdoors? Statistically, I’d think that is inevitable to happen in some cases.
If garnishment is the path for the non-compliant, I would like to know: “What comes after that fails?”.
-thanks!
-chris
-chris

A VOTE FOR HILLARY IN THE PRIMARIES IS A VOTE FOR McCAIN IN THE GENERAL ELECTIONs BECAUSE HILLARY WILL NEVER BE A US PRESIDENT AND I WILL MAKE SURE I KNOCK AS MANY DOORS AS I CAN FOR THAT MATTER!

Everytime Hillary starts losing she lays out attacks these political campaigns are exactly what we don’t WANT!! Hillary stop talking smack because we all know that your “universal healthcare plan” is more like a healthcare tax.
We need change.

I think this is just ridiculous. She’s misleading voters ONCE AGAIN. I actually looked up Paul Krugman’s original editorial and he says this in between “its just grotesque” etc.
“The Clinton plan does every bit as much to ensure affordability as the Obama plan.”
I find it interesting that she cherry picks EVERY SINGLE THING that is said negatively about Obama. She keeps telling the world that he isn’t offering Universal Healthcare but it seems pretty obvious to me…if anyone in America can qualify for it – its UNIVERSAL.
I agree with the first person’s comments – if by some way she steals this election from Obama…I’m voting for McCain. Because integrity and trust does matter in the White House. In order to push through meaningful legislation – its going to take working together with the other party…Clinton simply isn’t willing or able to do that. She’s not the best presidential candidate….she’s not even the best democratic candidate.

Preaching hope, inspiration, change, no substance, no specifics, no media challenge, and media fawning, Obama is instructive of how demagogues rise to power to inflict horrors on humanity.
It is a moral right for every American to have health coverage. Fifteen million people without health coverage, by choice or otherwise, is more of the same status quo – there is no real change in having no health coverage. Universal health coverage from Hillary Clinton’s specific solution to our healthcare crisis is REAL CHANGE.

So what is this health care anyway. Is it comprehensive? Is it on par with the insurance congress gets? Does it cover all doctors and hospitals? what is the deductible and co-pay? Is it bigger than a breadbox? Etc.
A lot of talk and no substance. What’s being touted isn’t defined. It’s just jibber-jabber aimed at the uninformed by both candidates who don’t have a clue about what the mystery coverage will be.
And then, there’s the issue of whether illegals are covered and whether they and their legal counterparts will have their wages garnished if they don’t play the game. Such BS!
Bring back intelligence testing for would-be voters!

ChangeWhat,
Obama’s concrete plans have been available, in writing, for a long time. This idea that there’s no substance behind his message is simply a fairy tale.

It looks like Obama needs to debate Hillary just on the medical insurance alone to explain the differences fully and clearly. Only then can he let the voters see what the differences are and what the alternatives for doing nothing or too little are. Soundbites and distortions on his rhetorical speech making are not enough. Let him bring Ted Kennedy with him if he needs someone to whisper in his ear. If he will not debate the issues, it appears that mailers are one way to get the truth out. Hillary is the most knowledgeable, the most substantive, and the most experienced candidate to talk about any of the issues thus far. Think, Americans, this election is more important than many realize.
Geonm

I never had sex with that woman. Or were we talking about what is the meaning of “is”?

Who is suprised by her mailer???? Hillary has few options left to win this nomination fair and square. She has to resort to half-truth campaigning.
If this doesn’t work she will have to bite the bullet and try her hand at stealing the nomination at the convention.
Either way… she’ll do whatever it takes to win.

When a candidate for President won’t debate and people say that bringing up the issues and comparing positions is mud slinging, I think we need information to make a decision on. Sound bit politics is what got us George W. Bush. If Obama can’t handle the debate of the primaries among his own party how will he be able to handle a tough cookie like McCain. In New York, a republican state Hillary was re-elected with over 65% of the vote. She will bring us together – with real plans not flowery promises

two simple things from the mailer first taking “yes we can” from Obama and use it for herself make her that she never come up with her own but copy it from others. second the mailer said Obama’s plan would leave people uncoverd and then it contradict itself by puting in #1 in the list that he will by using tax money to cover new.

What is most noticeable about this mailer is that every charge is completely true, particularly the vile Harry and Louise mailer than Obama sent out. Perhaps Mr. Obama would be well advised to stop twisting his positions up into a pretzel of illogic and instead offer something that works. That would come across much better than constant lies about Hillary’s positions.

Learning from experience is more important than having it.
Masachussets already has the healthcare mandates similar to what Senator Clinton is proposing for the whole country. A teacher there says:
“We are FORCED to pay for privatized health insurance, yet there are no provisions for caps with the companies. One year after the bill was passed health insurance skyrocketed 10-25% in costs. Myself – I pay $23 a week for insurance that maxes out at $7500 a year! That’s criminal! If I have one hospital stay I could be in serious debt.”
Bill Clinton’s own labor secratary says that Obama’s plan will cover more people than Senator Clinton’s. This is because millions of consumers would rather pay the penalty for not complying with the mandate than pay for the coverage. To prevent this, Senator Clinton has said she would garnish wages. Congress (republicans) will never allow this, nor will some democrats. Nor will Clinton be able to get price controls passed. If she fails again, she will not be able to bring it back up for vote.
The key difference in the Obama plan (but a critical one) is that it plans to achieve Universal Health Care in achievable steps, not in a moon-shot. Obama is the only candidate running who was successful at passing a healthcare reform in Illinois. Although he was a charismatic social activist in a poor, black area of Chicago, as an Illinois state legislator in Springfield Obama knew when to cut deals with power brokers. In 2003, he passed a bill that offered health-care coverage to an additional 150,000 people—but only after an attempt to push a bigger, universal health-care proposal stalled.
Frankly, any plan from Obama has a better chance of passage in Congress (even Hillary’s) because he has more support among Republicans and Independents.

Neither has any real foreign policy experience. That requires actually having lived abroad, to see the world through other’s eyes, not just having made a couple of trips abroad as a first lady or a senator, where everything is arranged for soundbites (believe me, I saw one President come through while posted overseas and it was very clear he had NO IDEA what was going on in that country’s daily life – but ultimately, he didn’t need to: foreign policy is an extension of domestic policy). The last candidate with anything approaching a real worldview was Kerry, and that was used against him – and the electorate gave us Bush.

How is forcing people to purchase health insurance better than a voluntary plan?
Sen. Clinton has said that she would garnish your wages if you broke her law and didn’t buy Hillarycare 2.0. That kind of system is patently un-American.
It’s no wonder that the insurance companies are supporting her candidacy.

Hillary is NOT a witch and Barack is NOT full of hot air. They are both great in their own ways. THEY BOTH SENT OUT DECEPTIVE FEAR-MONGERING HEALTHCARE FLIERS. What seems to be largely missed is that Barack did it first; odd for someone who is supposedly about a “new kind of politics.” He’s also had TV ads that make it sound like his plan is universal when it’s not. In debates, he gave vague answers to Hillary’s challenges about his plan. Yes, he’s run a pretty high integrity campaign but he’s been deceptive and sneaky on this one very critical issue that is likely to sway a lot of voters. Maybe he reserved his deception for a key issue knowing that it wouldn’t get noticed in the gaga atmosphere he’s created with his finer qualities and generally above board approach.

As Americans we live in a shareholder value society, there is not way that the republicans will allow mandatory health care purchasing – this is why Obama’s plan is much better – it is pragmatic.

Hillary Clinton’s plan is not good at all, This morning I received a copy of the flyers her campaign sent out to people in wisconsin, I went to Senator’s Obama’s campaign web site and read his plan for health care and he has the best health care for all americans unlike hillary clinton’s plan which wont cover all americans, hillary clinton is turning to lies and deceptive ads to sway voters, the american people want change and not the same lies and destortion which hillary clinton has turned to

I commend Clinton for taking it to Obama. By and large, Obama has been the most deceitful of the two in the race; he uses talking points borrowed from past politicians; he uses mass-controlling psychology without substance; then when does talk about the issues, he has to read from a paper because he’s in unfamiliary territory. He stole her economic plan to create five million green jobs. His policys are crafting to be try to appeal to as many groups as possible to win the election, just like giving out drivers licenses to illegal aliens in an attempt to win the lation vote. Then when in front on black crowds he says “our time has come,” in order to send a message to them about their time to have a black president for them. This man is the biggest phony to run a presidential campaign in a long time.
If Obama becomes the nominee, I will not vote in the election, plain and simple. I fear giving such authority to such an unknown variable. And McCain is downright dangerous to our country.

HC turns away many, just can not believe nor trust her, especially, since she campaigned in Florida, while the other opponents kept their word.

I LOVE HOW THE OBAMA CULT COMES OUT ON THESE BLOGS. UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE MEANS EVERYONE! YOU ARE VERY DUMB! YOU ARE THE SAME PEOPLE THAT BUY HIS PLAGERISED SPEECHES ON CHANGE VS IM BRAINWASHED AND NEED HOPE TO SURVIVE. UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE MEANS EVERYONE MUST HAVE HEALTHCARE, YOU MUST HAVE CAR INSURANCE YOU MUST TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN WELL BEING! I AM TIRED OF PAYING FOR SOME IDIOT THAT HAS NO HEALTH INSURANCE AND GETS ON HIS DIRT BIKE BREAKS HIS NECK AND 6 MONTHS LATER WITH MILLIONS OF DOLLERS OF HEALTH CARE COST RAISES MY PRICES FOR A DAMN ASPERIN! VOTE FOR SUBSTANCE AND VOTE FOR DETAILS PEOPLE OF THE COOL AID CLAN!WHO WOULD YOU FEE CONFIDENT WITH TO DO HEART SURGERY ON YOUR KID? OBAMA, SPEECH TALKER OR HILLARY CLINTON A DETAILED SPECIFIC PERSON. JUST ASKING.

I commend Clinton for taking it to Obama. By and large, Obama has been the most deceitful of the two in the race; he uses talking points borrowed from past politicians; he uses mass-controlling psychology without substance; then when does talk about the issues, he has to read from a paper because he’s in unfamiliary territory. He stole her economic plan to create five million green jobs. His policys are crafting to be try to appeal to as many groups as possible to win the election, just like giving out drivers licenses to illegal aliens in an attempt to win the lation vote. Then when in front on black crowds he says “our time has come,” in order to send a message to them about their time to have a black president for them. This man is the biggest phony to run a presidential campaign in a long time.
If Obama becomes the nominee, I will not vote in the election, plain and simple. I fear giving such authority to such an unknown variable. And McCain is downright dangerous to our country.

Danny Campbell
Your right about the Obama flyer. His lies never got any attention in the media. God forbid if the truth came out about Obama. He leaves 15 million out in his insurance plan and he calls that real coverage. Give me a break. He is just passing the cost along to all of us. Like we are paying now.
Everyone out there that loves Obama so much and pays through the roof for your health insurance plan why do you think that is? It is because of people like Obama would don’t care if people pay their own way in life. We pay now for everyone who doesn’t have insurance. That would for nearly 50 million people. Do you Obama people understand what you are doing by voting this guy in. Obama is the status quo. He will change nothing. It will be the same as now. Makes me ill to think about it.

andrew williams
(Obama is the right person for American at this moment of America problem. if American vote for race this time and chose Hillary. American international respect and reputation is in crisis.)
Obama pulled the race card after NH and beat the Clinton’s over the head with it. He should be throw out of the race and the party for that. Obama is trying to split the DEM party into. Obama, his staff and people like J. Jackson Jr. are calling super delegates and telling them if they don’t vote for Obama they will be keeping a a fellow black person down. That is race baiting. Research it online. Obama makes me sick with his lies and using race to try to get into the WH. If he gets in this way then he stole the WH. And I am not the only person who is saying this. He will be not only a cousin to Bush (and Cheney) but be remembered for stealing the WH just the same.
If Obama were to get in the world would laugh at us. The Americans let another liar in chief take the WH. Again.
And Obama would not be the right person if he was the last person on earth.

What it comes down to Hill-lair-y negative attacks, makes us annoyed most of first time votes and independent minded. If she gets nomination most of us will vote Republican. I am 100% sure that I DO NOT want to see the 90’s gridlock and partisan politics, so I will vote for McCain is Hill-lair-y.

How can you be independent minded and be a cult member at the same time?

I chosse not to be dumb by this political figures.
Hilary stated that the ealier states she lost were not important, she has not been able to disprove the fact she voted for the Iraqi war, she has not disclosed her income statement, her character and demeanor has been selfish, she has cried to woo votes, there is a circulating financial scaldal with Ron Paul’s issue. Her voice for health care are empty because she had 8 years to move the health care plan and has consistently failed, now pulling attack ads against hope and inspiration, firing her campaign manager and deputy, has not been able to push off media issues about her contradictory stands. We decide who is the best candidate, not her. History shows intimidation from this campaign and this family. If this woman has soft pedaled and shown remorse, I would have voted for her, someone like this IS NOT GOOD for the White House.

The comments on this thread are full of falicous and misleading statements about Obama. I realize that you clinton supporters are upset by his recent surge in opinion polls and his winning streak…. but come on to just flat out lie about his record or make up crazy accusations out of thin air, shame on all of you. Neither Obama nor Hillary want to bring about the destruction of America. And neither Obama nor Clinton are perfect by any means. The fact is no one in America or the world for that matter is “perfect”. You people need to lighten up and let this campaign run its course.

I have been waiting for this…
Obama never put out an Ad until Clinton sent out one and he responded, not reacted. That angered Clinton and she went all out hell on him including getting a boxing glove. All Obama needed to do in the ring was throw her an upper cut and she would have been out, instead he responded again, laid out economic polices and gave an outstanding speech. She could not compare….
Guys, let’s face it. She is the old generation whose time has come and gone. None of the she did this or he did that matters, like someone posted earlier, – once a generation is over, change is irriversible.

It is a well known thing amongst the democrtas now that – Employee within the Clinton camps have been told, you had better do all this or you are fired. When asked to do what here was the answer.” Use all media information available to damage Obama”. An employee in Ohio a friend of mine had sworn to vote Obama from the darkness in this campaign. When Camera was with her in the plane, she was shown to be servicing snacks to employee. When cameras disappear, they were warned to complete attack ads before tasting the snacks. Kinda sad for her, but she needs the money so she needs to work there. On March 4th, she and her colleages are voting Obama.

I am a woman and would like to see a woman president. I have been following the whole campaign and from what I have seen, I would have voted Hilary, but for her last name: CLINTON, just sends shivers down my spine.

Poor Poor Obama:(
So a mailer has caused this much fury in Obamacin land?
What happens when the republicans begin to expose him and tear him down??
If he cant handle a mailer he sure as heck cant beat the republicans.

Let’s just stop and think. Senator Hillary Clinton and Senator Barack Obama are candidates for the Democrat nomination to run for US President.
JFK was never a governor, Regan never had Foreign Policy experience, Nixon was an expert on Foreign policy but not on National issues.
Bubba our current Pres had never traveled out of the USA until he became Prez, and quite frankly is an ace shy of a full deck, his baseball team was a failure. (lack of leadership)
Now we all know about Condileeza who shows no knowledge in foreign policy, the one brain they had was Colin Powell and he did not suck up so they dismissed him.
McCann is really mentally deficient if he thinks we can keep troops in Iraq for 100 years, that should turn off Repugnants. The Democrats have two viable candidates one from the past who is sure to have a husband out of control, and one form the present who is well educated, articulate, knowledgeable and wise enough to surround himself with smart people. Bush went back and got his daddy’s people, and clinton will go back and get her Husbands people. THe same old Washington.
I am tired of the old white haired aging leadership that have nothing to lose because they have one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peeling.
Give me a man with young children, that is brilliant and will look out for their future which means he will look out for mine.
Forget color and sex, Senator Obama can sit with Iranians, Africans, Europeans and yes Cubans and talk and represent and protect America. This is our last chance to gain the ground we lost under Regan and Bush….remember what happens tin America. Now is not the time to be devisive and dumb. We need to stick together and Unite for a better America, not a White American or a Black America.

Hillary’s plan couldn’t get passed before, so why would it now?
Obama’s plan will cost the rest of us with health insurance with another tax, or fee, or whatever they want to call it.
National healthcare is not what it’s cracked up to be. Let’s just hope they both aren’t including illegal aliens in this plan just to get their vote. They already crawl across the border to have their babies here just to collect welfare. If we didn’t have to pay for all these millions of illegals, maybe healthcare could be affordable for the rest of us.
Good jobs here in America with healthcare plans would help a lot more than either one of their plans.
I’m voting for John McCain to keep our taxes down and make the current tax cuts permanent. By the way, this current President is giving us this tax break and to some families, a tax rebate. I don’t see either Democrat announcing anything like that. Obama and Hillary want to tax us more if you are a working American.

EXPERIENCE IS WHAT MAKES CHANGE! WE DON’T NEED A TRAINEE IN THE WHITEHOUSE WE NEED SOMEONE THAT IS READY TO FIGHT FOR US. SOMEONE THAT KNOWS THE ROPES. A WOMEN WITH A HEART. NOT SOME CULT LEADER. ANYONE CAN BE A GOOD SPEAKER IN PUBLIC BUT NOT EVERYONE CAN RUN THE WHITE HOUSE.

I am SHOCKED that it took over a month for Senator Obama to finally say something about his pastor. This is the same pastor that Senator Obama supports through his regular tithing! The Senator family donates thousand of dollars to this church annually. That means he support his pastor”s RACIAL overtones and revolutionary statements of overthrowing America. Who does Senator Obama think he’s trying to fool and what is he trying to hide? Why is he openly, freely, and devotedly donated all that money to a cause if he doesn”t believe in it? Why is Senator Obama lying to America? This is as bad as Senator Obama still accepting all that money from his crooked land developer that he supposedly hasn’t seen nor talked to in years? Sure doesn”t sound like a real devoted Christian man to me? Wonder who he and Michelle are praying to everynight?

BUYING THE PRESIDENCY OF THE U.S. …
How many of the 1.5 people who sent $200 to Obama’s campaign were black? Is it possible that a group which comprises about 15% of the population in America could rule the other 85% simply by buying the election via contributions from 1.5 million people, in a country of 300 million people?