Hillary Responds to “Pimp”-gate
In Orono, Maine, this morning, following a rally at the University of Maine, Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., made her first public remarks about MSNBC’s David Shuster having referred to her campaign having "pimped out Chelsea," Clinton’s daughter.
"I am a mom first and a candidate second," Clinton told reporters, per ABC News’ Eloise Harper. "I found the remarks incredibly offensive. I can take whatever comes my way, that’s part of what I signed up for as a candidate as an office holder, but I think that there’s been a troubling pattern of comments and behavior that has to be held accountable. So I have sent a letter to the head of NBC expressing the deep offense that I took and pointing out what has been a troubling pattern of demeaning treatment, and I would expect appropriate action to be taken."
Shuster has been temporarily suspended for his comments, and he has apologized. He has said he was trying to make a larger point about how Chelsea, 27, has been enlisted to work for the campaign though she refuses to talk on the record to the media.
But Clinton suggests a "pattern" by MSNBC hosts, because she has also been offended by comments made by MSNBC’s Chris Matthews, who — among other comments — has implied Clinton only has her senate job because of her husband’s infidelity with Monica Lewinsky. Under pressure, Matthews apologized on air for that comment.
The campaign has threatened to boycott pending debates on NBC and Clinton would not say today if she would participate in the NBC sponsored debates.
"We have accepted a lot of debates from a lot of different sponsors and were going to wait and see how this plays out," Clinton said.
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I don’t understand how anyone could fault a mother for defending her daughter against being called a prostitute. (He might not have “really” meant it that way, but he DID say it that way.) If Hillary had not defended her daughter than people would be calling her a cold-hearted witch (well, they do that anyway). I’m not voting for Hillary, but I just don’t understand why she sends people into such irrational fits.
Posted by: jock59801 | February 9, 2008, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm
Come on, we’re talking about MSNBC, not a responsible news organization. I long ago gave up paying any attention at all to a network that, desperate for ratings, has been racing Fox to the sewer for years. Their talking heads are bottom-feeders, who should be ignored.
Posted by: Phillip Henry Christopher | February 9, 2008, 1:58 pm 1:58 pm
Clinton sees a troubling pattern of demeaning treatment . . . omg – pot meet kettle. Barf!
Posted by: Sam | February 9, 2008, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm
David Shuster should not have said that, and I’m glad he apologized, but I too am concerned about the larger issue of using a “non-political” family member to pressure super-delegates for their support.
Calling donors I can accept, but not super-delegates who have a serious and important role in determining the nominee. Using Chelsea in this way is tacky.
Posted by: Tom J | February 9, 2008, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm
So if Obama asks his wife Michelle to surrogate for him on a fundraiser, then he is basically “pimping out” his wife for money. I wonder how Obama campaign will react if something like this was said about them. I beleive there is a pattern here. MSNBC took it upon themselves to be the king makers of this election. Shuster and Matthews should learn about ethics. And they said Obama supporters are educated…
Posted by: SoOverObama | February 9, 2008, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm
Hill should boycot these debates to prove a point, nothing worse than losing money for the networks,
Posted by: 43beenthere43 | February 9, 2008, 2:02 pm 2:02 pm
Hilary, You are right-on. Sometimes I feel some of my fellow males on this planet are closer to our cave dwelling past cousins then the people of the 21st. century. I have to say that I agree with you. The problem that you are facing with MSNBC is a systemic problem. It is discusting to me that My news of the world is being filtered this organization, MSNBC. Pundents out of control!!
Posted by: Michael J. Cifala | February 9, 2008, 2:02 pm 2:02 pm
Maybe this is payback for the Clinton’s playing the race card? Are the Clinton’s racist?
Posted by: stephen | February 9, 2008, 2:03 pm 2:03 pm
This is a good example how these PUNDITS:DAVID SHUSTER and CHRIS MATTHEWS
abuse there job that was assigned to them. They are acting like a “DIVA or I would say: A. H.” that they can say what they want to say which is so OFFENSIVE. It’s like a TABLOID MAGAZINE no integrity and ITS RUINING THE NAME OF THE RESPECTED NETWORK:MSNBC – THIS A.H. should be fired and accountable for what they do – VERY UNPROFESSIONAL!
Posted by: Sam Lim | February 9, 2008, 2:03 pm 2:03 pm
What MSNBC said was no worse than what Bill Clinton said about Obama. Shame on Clinton for his racist remarks, shame on you!!
Posted by: stephen | February 9, 2008, 2:07 pm 2:07 pm
yeah,that was a pretty nasty thing to say,and hillary did not derserve that,i say fire him!
Posted by: vikkiz26 | February 9, 2008, 2:11 pm 2:11 pm
“”We have accepted a lot of debates from a lot of different sponsors and were going to wait and see how this plays out,” Clinton said.”
Translation: Hillary’s victim-mentality base is eating this crap up like candy and she’s going to milk it for all it’s worth, then do the debate because MSNBC’ll be censored into tossing her softballs . . .
I think Hillary’s big mistake is to be looking at all the spinsters who post in her defense without realizing that every time she plays the victim card independents see right through her and shift right towards McCain. The more she claims to be ‘tough’ because she’s played the victim to get her way, the more resentment she builds against her.
And then she wonders why her poll numbers against McCain don’t match up to Obama’s . . .
Posted by: Sam | February 9, 2008, 2:13 pm 2:13 pm
I’ve been watching MSNBC and it really bothers me that these “journalists” are acting like jerks. I thought your job is to give the viewers a balance and fair reporting of an issue. As a mother, I find the word “pimping very, very offensive.
Posted by: kristi | February 9, 2008, 2:13 pm 2:13 pm
Shuster was crude but efficient in making a proper point. Chelsea last spoke to the media to say she doesn’t speak to the media, guarding her private persona. Ironic that she now suddenty flaunts her public figure status, apparently with her presidential (not) parents’ blessing, to work the superdelegates.
Posted by: sean.o | February 9, 2008, 2:16 pm 2:16 pm
Apparently “pimping out” is a well-known term among journalists, who often use it to refer to a candidate who uses a person, issue or thing to get sympathy votes. I did not know this before yesterday, and was extremely upset at the language used. I am still upset by it and think that MSNBC deserves all of the public shame that it gets from this. Although it may not have been intentionally sexist, the whole concept, even in the way supposedly intended by the commentator, is way out of line. Our leaders have enough challenges to deal with, and now the media has to engage in this kind of behavior towards their children? No wonder we don’t have more people who want to serve!
Posted by: Time after time | February 9, 2008, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm
Mitt pimped out his sons. W pimped out Jenna and Babs. Dick pimped out Mary…
Oh wait, you would NEVER hear that on a network.
It is very clear that the rules are different for Hillary than the others. And it is obvious from the comments above that it is not just the media who can be jerks.
Posted by: Greg R | February 9, 2008, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm
The Clintons are PIMPING Chelsea because she is the only one without baggage!!!
Posted by: stephen | February 9, 2008, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm
I sick and tired of the dirty pool that is going on in this politcal world. We need a good President that really cares about the population and doesn’t live in their own world and that is a fact.
This whole thing is just out right getting so very old and that is a fact.
Posted by: Carol R Hill | February 9, 2008, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm
I totally agree with “Where are You” who says that if Michelle Obama had been described as being pimped out, there would be blood in the streets right now! But it’s OK to slam the Clintons with this remark…why…becaues they’re Clintons?
Well, the remark was deplorable the first time and I won’t go to a low place and claim the same of Michelle Obama. It’s offensive no matter which candidate it’s applied to.
Posted by: Hillary 2008 | February 9, 2008, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm
So Hillary said certain comments people make should be helded accountable? Well what about all the Comments you and Bill made against Obama so far?
Posted by: Listen Up | February 9, 2008, 2:26 pm 2:26 pm
Maybe it is time for America to clean up its language. It is a sad day when it is considered acceptable to use that type of terminology in public – no matter to whom it refers. Common usage does not make a term any better or nicer. Let’s clean up the way we speak, America!
Posted by: Lynn | February 9, 2008, 2:27 pm 2:27 pm
I see the right wing nuts are out in full force. Whatever are they going to do if Barack is nominated.
Oh that’s right…
…the secret Muslim thing.
Just go back to throwing rocks on the playground…
Posted by: Tony | February 9, 2008, 2:28 pm 2:28 pm
What small head stupit low life comentaries!
Posted by: s. | February 9, 2008, 2:32 pm 2:32 pm
This story highlights one of the reasons America should be wary of another Clinton administration. Hillary gets her feelings hurt that someone says something untoward about her grown daughter, and then demands an apology from the free press (which they promptly genuflect and deliver). I do not recall such a pennance when Cheneys daughter was “outed”, nor when the Bush daughters misdemeanors were headline news for weeks. Any of these actions, including the comments about Hillary, might well deserve apologies, but the difference is that Mrs. Clinton demands and expects apologies. If elected, will she not then demand that such “hate speech” be outlawed, regulated, punishable? And who will determine what actually constitutes “hate speech”? Will it be put to a vote, or just unilaterally defined by Mrs. Clinton and likeminded daisies like M. Cifala.
Posted by: bruce | February 9, 2008, 2:32 pm 2:32 pm
So is Obama “pimping” Michelle out there for him? How come MSNBC only reserves its vitriol for Hillary? The only PIMPs out there are Mattews, Shuster, Russert and Obermann, who have decided to pimp out MSNBC to get Obama the nomination. Hillary should boycott the MSNBC debate, there are many other channels out there that can hold the debate, unless MSNBC fires both Matthews and Shuster. Neither of whom have apologized to Hillary or Chelsea directly.
Posted by: Sam | February 9, 2008, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm
OK I’ll say it. Obama campaign pimping Michelle and dressing her like Jackie Kennedy to boot. Tell her to lose the Jackie-do. It didn’t work anyway as Mass. went for Clinton. GWB pimped all the evangelical right wing ministers in the country in the last election. And for all you naive Obama supporters, NOBODY is without baggage. Even your man. Just wait until he is the nominee and his cocaine deals, chain smoking and abyssmal Senate voting record will be ALL you hear about for months. GO HILLARY GO. She is only one with the guts to turn this country around. She has connections and alliances all over the country and the world. I fear we will once again get the President we deserve instead of the President we need.
Posted by: Herminoe | February 9, 2008, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm
I find it chilling that Mrs. Clinton is able to stifle speech and based on such a minor comment. Is the media going to be silenced when there are problems in a Clinton administration out of fear of retribution?
Posted by: Kenneth | February 9, 2008, 2:34 pm 2:34 pm
Disgusting Remarks… They All Gang upon Hillary on Morning Joe All a Bunch of LOSERS! They are like Schoolgirls trying to get a playdate with Obama… Some kind of envy there.. It’s Sickening to Watch and They Should Fire that Loser!
Posted by: astutevoter | February 9, 2008, 2:34 pm 2:34 pm
Well, we live in a free country. The media writes and talks about whatever they want. I agree sometimes it goes away from the point. My advise to Clinton, if you don’t want a piece of the cake, don’t come to the party. If you want your daughter to stay away from these muddy circle, keep her away from the dirt. She should not be on the streets begging for votes or crying for help. She should not be calling people’s private phones asking for their vote. I understand she wants to help, ask her to go to church and pray for a miracle.
Posted by: CUBANRHYTHM | February 9, 2008, 2:34 pm 2:34 pm
Shuster should be fired. Move him on to the world of insanity and limbo.
Posted by: Glenn | February 9, 2008, 2:36 pm 2:36 pm
In the past being “pimped out” exclusively had to do with prostitution. As a nearly 50 year old mother of 5, including a daughter in her 20′s, I don’t think I’d too upset by the reporter’s comment. The reason being that I have heard my children use this word for years in other contexts. I think it basically means being trotted out for decoration (but I’m sure others have different modern interpretations of it). In this day and age, many words of yesteryear have definitions which mean nothing close to what they used to – the most blatant example be “gay” – which, I might add, Hillary uses frequently. Maybe she needs to get off of her high horse and mix with the ignorant masses for a while and listen to what they are saying and what words they use to say it.
Posted by: dajetigabe | February 9, 2008, 2:37 pm 2:37 pm
Add Andrea Mitchell and Lee Cowan to the anti-Clinton disgusting NBC machine. Also, Frank “part-timer” Luntz and Keith Olberman. They are all part of the Misogynist Soft National Broadcasting Company – MSNBC. All Democrats should exclude NBC from any accreditation in the future. Imagine if Shuster said some racial comment – the OBSMA camp would cry major croc tears!
Posted by: Rich | February 9, 2008, 2:37 pm 2:37 pm
Americans are stupid if they think Hillary can be elected President of the United States!!! Just look at how many people hate her. McCain will have a landslide victory either way!!
Posted by: stephen | February 9, 2008, 2:37 pm 2:37 pm
Isnt it rich that the media was lampooned when anything was said about Chaney’s daughter and her sexuality but hey its okeydokey to show mysogyney when it comes to a Clinton—-Its wrong period no matter who the candidate is.
Posted by: finz | February 9, 2008, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm
So Hillary is offended, gee I doubt it, The truth hurts. And why should the network give a rats patute if she is offended, she’s considering boycotting the network, what will she do when some foriegn dignatary makes a comment she doesn’t like? will she boycott France or Britain because one of their dignataries makes a personal remark about her or the fact Billy can’t keep it in his pants? Grow up Hillary, get over it and move on, concentrate on your campaign, the issues at hand and quit concerning yourself with what some one said or didnt say in so many words.
Posted by: -David | February 9, 2008, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm
Hillary continues to overplay her gender card. She is lucky there are so many female voters. Unfortunately, tears won’t persuade the nasty men in Congress, Al Queda, Iran, Iraq, etc. I would love to see a woman president someday, but not this woman. She is attached to way too much baggage and a treasure trove of unearthed stories to sink her election. “I’m a mother, first?” When will we hear, “I was having a hot flash?” “Please excuse me for being a woman?” This is getting sick.
Posted by: Eleanor Roosevelt | February 9, 2008, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm
What is this new demography low scale whites vs high scale whites all about. Is this the pattern on NBC only? Does everyone call Connecticut a high-scale-white state nowadays?
Posted by: Al | February 9, 2008, 2:40 pm 2:40 pm
You know what worries me about Obama is that everyone loves him in the press and his supporters practically have him up on the cross. What HILLARY has, as the woman wrote about “sending people into fits” is the ability to reach under the surface and strike a nerve. People don’t really want to examine deeply that’s why they like Obama, he just feeds em sugar water and kool-aid and they drink it right down. HILLARY is a mother eagle protecting her young and her country. So I think this shows what kind of president she would be. One who fights to protect America.
HILLARY 08!!!
Posted by: JJ | February 9, 2008, 2:40 pm 2:40 pm
It doesn’t make any sense for people to point to how offensive it would be for somebody to use the ‘pimp’ vernacular to refer to other candidates and their kids because nobody would ever use that term to describe the relationship of the other candidates and their kids.
What differentiates Hillary from everybody else is the fact that Hillary comes across as willing to do anything and to use anybody to get her way, and what differentiates Chelsea from everybody else is the fact that you rarely hear her speak which makes her look uncomfortable and reluctant asserting herself in a campaigning capacity.
The argument that if the term is offensive because it would be if applied to somebody else is as absurd as claiming that all the other candidates would lie just like Bill about not having ‘sexual relations’ if they were caught – the faulty assumption being that everybody cheats . . . Not everybody conducts themselves like the Clintons . . .
Posted by: Sam | February 9, 2008, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm
the news outlets exist to report news, but insist on trying to influence and therefore become news onto themselves. And for what? To sell more commercials and make more money for themselves. If my daughter came to work for me i would be proud of her help. I would not be pimping her out. Those comments are disgusting and show where the media has its head, which is to create news through vile disgusting comments. America, where has your class gone?
Posted by: j | February 9, 2008, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm
He should be fired. This was an uncalled for comment that bears NO relationship to the election. Go pick on Briitany and get away from Chelsea. That comment makes him no better than a cheap pop reporter.
Posted by: lorie | February 9, 2008, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm
This is what Hillary should do. Don’t participate in any NBC functions. This act shows guts and stand up toitness. I don’t think Obama can fault her for not participating so he would support her and she would win both ways.
Posted by: Jay Harrison | February 9, 2008, 2:42 pm 2:42 pm
He should be fired. This was an uncalled for comment that bears NO relationship to the election. Go pick on Brittany and get away from Chelsea. That comment makes him no better than a cheap pop reporter.
Posted by: lorie | February 9, 2008, 2:42 pm 2:42 pm
omg – why is there another ‘Sam’ commenting in favor of Hillary . . . couldn’t you have called yourself Sammy to differentiate yourself? aaarrgh!
Posted by: Sam | February 9, 2008, 2:43 pm 2:43 pm
I think that MSNBC and maybe other networks are just FRUSTRATED that Chelsea Clinton is “Hands OFF” when it comes to getting near the presidential daughter who is now 28 years old and calling on Super Delegates.
I don’t blame Clinton for being upset though, I’m a mom too. But it’s just kind of a coincidence she would exploit this situation so much. But I am sure that Obama would denounce it also and people should stop making racist comments about this word.
Posted by: tst | February 9, 2008, 2:43 pm 2:43 pm
Maybe inapropriate but she is in polititics and has brought her family into the lime-light. If she cannot take the comments then what is she going to do in office. My comment to Hillary is to quit your crying and act like a future President.
Posted by: Scott Schuster | February 9, 2008, 2:43 pm 2:43 pm
BOTTOM LINE….If the media would have used the exact same terms against the Obama Camp there would have been hell fire to pay. Not only that professional journalists using still what is considered street slang to describe their opinions regarding a presidential campaign and their daughter is just lacks class and is dumb at best.
Posted by: Conseverative | February 9, 2008, 2:43 pm 2:43 pm
He should get a gold metal for what he said about Chelsea Clinton. Right on!!
Posted by: stephen | February 9, 2008, 2:43 pm 2:43 pm
Comment from Germany:
First: Here in Germany a reporter with such a rude comment would have been thrown out immediately and i think, that would be a good idea. With his comment he helped the Clintons quite much, as many would probably think “I have to help this poor little girl”.
BUT (second): Chelsea Clinton is not a little child anymore.
Yesterday, at Feb. 8 there was a detailed report in the biggest and highly respected german newspaper “Sueddeutsche Zeitung” about the work of Chelsea Clinton (second page of the business section).
After studying in Stanford and Oxford she was employed at McKinsey in New York. She earned right at the beginning several hundred thousand Dollar per year. At the end of 2006 she changed to the HEDGE FUNDS “Avenue Capital” at Wall Street where she is CURRENTLY EMPLOYED. Her annual salery is estimated several hundred thousand Dollar.
Here in Germany someone like Chelsea is considered as a true lobbyist. Very interesting for germans, maybe also for US citizens and not commonly known.
In germany many of these hedge funds are responsible for the unnecassary asset stripping of many companies and the loss of thousands of jobs.
Posted by: German | February 9, 2008, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm
Yea it was an inappropriate comment, but it was hitting the nail right on the head. Why is Chelsea campaigning, but can’t talk to the media?
Obviously, Michelle Obama hasn’t been referred to in such an inappropriate manner because she’s more than willing to be interview or speak on behalf of Obama because she knows what he stands for and is not a poster girl for a campaign.
Hillary is always having others due her campaigning she can’t do it herself. That’s why Bill shut the hell up in S.C. because he made it worse for her.
There is no doubt that both Obama and Hillary are appropriate choice for President, but I just sometimes can’t stand what happens “behind-the-scenes” in the Hillary Campaign.
RELEASE YOUR TAX RETURNS HILLARY!!!
Hillary=Romney
Obama ’08
Posted by: John | February 9, 2008, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm
Does anyone have a clue that Shuster is a product of the Internet Generation and to “Pimp” is internet slang for shameless self-promotion. To “pimp” something refers to promoting it, as in “I spent 5 days pimping my film on MySpace.”
Jeez people, Hillary is looking for publicity!! Wake Up!
Posted by: Aunt Bee | February 9, 2008, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm
Here we go again. Always before a big election day we hear a cry! The comment was not insulting. Not at all. NBC should not fire anybody, there was is not reason to go there. After all, that is what her daughter was doing. This is the kind of fear we are talking about. People in power are voting for Clinton because they think they could get hurt in the process. Lets put stop to this crazy behavior, Clinton, we the American people will teach you a good lesson. CHANGE IS COMING!!!
Posted by: CUBANRHYTHM | February 9, 2008, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm
seems to me that schuster was giving street language to what hillary is doing…….
wasn’t it truman who said “if you can’t stand the heat get out of the kitchen”……hillary is becoming the worst argument for a female pres., hard to imagine bhutto, thatcher, golda mier [sp?], or indira ghandi [great leaders all] whining in about such stuff….
Posted by: ElwoodP Dowd | February 9, 2008, 2:47 pm 2:47 pm
For the majority of the older commenters here: please understand that ‘pimping’ is often used these days without any sort of sexual reference.
These political campaigns have become so corrupt and cheap, the use of words like ‘pimping’ is the least of our problems. Furthermore, anyone who believes that Hillary Clinton could actually be ‘deeply offended’ by something like this while at the same time doing and saying everything required to run for president in the US is insane. Stop falling for these irrelevant media spins that allow the media and candidates to ignore the real issues, and instead continue playing the little soap opera for all the sheeple here.
The millions of voters in this country that actually vote for these main stream candidates without having any idea as to how they continue to screw the the rest of us over should be ashamed for being part of the problem. If you cannot see through this crap, please do the rest of us a favor and simply don’t vote!
Posted by: bill st | February 9, 2008, 2:47 pm 2:47 pm
21st century vernacular for those over 40.
To Pimp: To market or sell a product.
Pimp: Cool
Thought some clarification was in order.
Posted by: KJ | February 9, 2008, 2:48 pm 2:48 pm
Msnbc particularly Cris matthews and Tucker Carlson have been biased and brutal regarding Hillary Clinton. When hillary won New jersey on super Tuesday one could hear matthews saying “oh no!”
And MSNBC says Fox is biased. I’m a Democratic who now excercises his cvhoice not to watch MSNBC
Posted by: Michael | February 9, 2008, 2:48 pm 2:48 pm
Schuster’s intent is to disrupt the Clinton campaign. He will sell his services to the Hillary haters.
Posted by: REP | February 9, 2008, 2:48 pm 2:48 pm
>>People don’t really want to examine deeply that’s why they like Obama, he just feeds em sugar water and kool-aid and they drink it right down.
That would be the “fairy tale” Bill was referring to.
Posted by: Glenn | February 9, 2008, 2:49 pm 2:49 pm
A campaign, like a corporation normally restricts media access to those designated as spokespeople. Chelsy has no “duty” to speak with the press. Furthermore the campaign can designate Yogi the Bear or anyone they want to call Super delegates and others. They picked Chelsey.
If someone attacked my daughter and me in this manner there would be a lot more retribution than a letter and and a snub, you can count on that.
Posted by: flyover | February 9, 2008, 2:49 pm 2:49 pm
I think it is the way they are going about it that is unseemly. She can’t talk to the media but she can secretly hound these politicians to vote for her Mother ? That is so tacky. I am impressed Team Obama hasn’t stooped so low to doing anything that gross and inappropriate. Mind you she a grown woman. She is not a kid any more like back in the 90′s. What if she decides to run for public office someday, she should’t be ruining her reputation ?
I wonder how the super delegates think about this tacky practice of soliciting votes from them.
Posted by: Rogers | February 9, 2008, 2:49 pm 2:49 pm
If Hillary didn’t say anything, then people would accuse her of selling her daughter’s reputation up the river for political gain. The lady simply can’t win no matter what she does. Are folks actually saying that Chelsea isn’t important to her? Is it so unbelievable that a mom would love her daughter more than a job? Accusations of cynicism are misplaced… look in the mirror, folks.
Posted by: Joseph Best | February 9, 2008, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm
The self-important men on MSNBC, to include Chris Matthews, and now David Shuster, don’t understand that by attacking Chelsea Clinton in this way they are attacking all women, shows you the lengths that our media will go to destroy Hillary Clinton, doing everything they can to bring her down to a pimp level politician, even at the cost of using her daughter to do it.
Any decent man like myself, should be mad as hell with these people for trating women like garbage, I have three daugthers, I won’t let anyone talk about them this way. It is not okay to be sexist, women deserve respect, I am ashamed of some men in some forums, defending something that has no defense.
Posted by: Pat | February 9, 2008, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm
I do wish the people who post comments would learn some basic English grammar. That said, Shuster’s comment was disgusting, as is a lot of the drivel heard on “Hardball”. I think Zell Miller was onto something…….He just should have included Nora O’Donnell and the ever-hateful Contessa Brewer.
Posted by: Richard H. Bradford | February 9, 2008, 2:51 pm 2:51 pm
Shuster ade the pimp remark because Chelsea wouldn’t talk to the media?? Shuster’s remark was horrible. And MSNBC has been making those remarks consistently (especially Chris Matthews). Anyone’s personal remarks against any of these candidates is undignified – including bill and Hillary Clinton. Who among those name callers would stick their own necks on the line and campaign? There is a hate that exists that some will never forgive – that is a sad testatment to be unable or unwilling to forgive. the past is the past. Voting decisons should be made on merits and the distraction of name calling is childish.
Posted by: mary | February 9, 2008, 2:52 pm 2:52 pm
The 2008 campaign is often referred to as historical because in the Democratic Party the nominee for president will be either a woman or an African-American. But the real story of this campaign is the increasing realization that we appear to be better prepared to accept a black candidate who looks and acts not so black but we are not ready to accept a qualified woman who is not shy in challenging the system.
I reach this conclusion after reading about the latest MSNBC fiasco by one of its anchor who suggested that Hillary had “pimped out” Chelsea to aid her fundraising effort. How has the press reacted vis a vis the real or perceived race card played by the Clinton’s? How have they handled the gender issue?
MSNBC has clearly taken the position , conscious or otherwise, to aid Obama by fighting the Clinton Machine and a number of anchors have taken pot shots: such as the suggestions that the only reason Hillary was qualified to run for President was due to her husband cheating on her or the recent Chelsea comment referred above . And it does not stop with MSNBC. It’s open season on the Clinton’s for their past sins: so Bill Kristol on Fox has no problem stating that Hillary had staged the emotional moment in New Hampshire while Maureen Dowd in one of her recent column stated that Hillary’s approach to the party has been “Bill owes me and you owe him”. Not to mention Barack’s own New Hampshire cheap shot: “ You are likeable enough, Hillary”.
Clearly a disservice to mothers everywhere and to our democracy.
Posted by: paul | February 9, 2008, 2:53 pm 2:53 pm
Man it’s gotta suck to be a Democrat!!
Posted by: stephen | February 9, 2008, 2:53 pm 2:53 pm
There is no doubt that the comment about Comment about pimping of Chelsea was rude and very crude and exemplifies a crassness that has overtaken our young people. If you do not like Hillery, fine, be specific and be honest –personal assassinations serve no valid purpose–notice there are two, count them, two asses in assassination.
To the free speachers–REMEMBER THE AIRWAVES ARE LEASED TO THE NETWORKS AND ARE THERE TO “SERVE THE PUBLIC GOOD.”
Posted by: cully | February 9, 2008, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm
All of Romney’s sons worked diligently for his campaign and no one blinked an eye. The Clinton bashing is really, really old.
Posted by: Virginia Near | February 9, 2008, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm
Get out smelling salts for the erstwhile republicans out there who are offended at that idiot Dave Schuster’s being suspended. What if Micheal Moore said that W was “pimping out” Laura Bush? Would you rush to Moore’s defense?
I for one am sick of middle aged white men thinking they can use slang like that. It doesn’t fit you. Stop it. It’s the intellectual equivalent of a comb-over. It doesn’t make you more attractive.
Posted by: Jon | February 9, 2008, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm
Does Mom first mean Chelsea does not have to serve in the military if Pres. Hillary declares a draft. Mom first for Hillary, sorry for you other Moms.
Posted by: the dinosaur | February 9, 2008, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm
“Pimpgate?” Is the corporate press here really that stupid? Instead of concentrating on the real issues and helping the voting public to understand the differences, if there are any, between the policy platforms of Clinton and Obama, you concentrate on this nonsense? You do nothing but further cheapen an already degenerate political process in this country.
Posted by: ignatz | February 9, 2008, 2:57 pm 2:57 pm
This should be a little insight into how Hillary REALLY acts. Instead of laughing it off and going on with more important issues, she chooses to throw around her political weight, get people in trouble, and threaten to boycott debates. Is that the type of person we want for President? Let’s not forget that the Clintons truly believe the rules just don’t apply to them, and more on that will certainly surface if she gets the nomination. But ultimately, Hillary is a divider, has numerous enemies, and is not the person to bring this country together and move us forward. Hillary as president just represents more of the same Washington insider “BS” and gridlock we’re all so incredibly tired of.
Posted by: A. Realist | February 9, 2008, 2:58 pm 2:58 pm
Oh well. I just want to make sure we see Laura Bush in the white house for 2012. Keep it up Hillary supporters!
Posted by: james | February 9, 2008, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm
There are many ways to make a point, obviously he wanted to offend.
I think is totally inapropiate, this is “street talk”, this vocabulary does not belong in the newsroom.
Posted by: Pat | February 9, 2008, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm
A lot of society’s unconscious discomfort with women who are smart, powerful and not intimidated,is surfacing in indirect ways. With some, like Chris Matthews, it is blatant. With others, it slips out, as it did with Schuster. And more worrisome,
are incidents such as the media’s ignoring the guys yelling Iron My SHirt to Hillary, when you know if
they had yelled Shine My Shoes to Barakm
it would have been front-page news–
these are all signs of the strong and long pattern in our culture of
honoring women who remain in their
patriarchically-dictated place, and demonizing those who do not.
Posted by: deecani | February 9, 2008, 3:00 pm 3:00 pm
What’s discouraging about this incident is the vitriol on all sides in these responses.
If this generation of Americans did not watch cable news, its purveyors might be more circumspect.
The fact is, this generation has the media it deserves–mediocre, ignorant, and oblivious to professional standards.
What to do? Don’t watch the news impostors at CNN, MSNBC, Fox, and go light on the Internet; read papers, and listen to Internet BBC world.
Easy, huh?
Posted by: Frederick Willman | February 9, 2008, 3:00 pm 3:00 pm
What’s discouraging about this incident is the vitriol on all sides in these responses.
If this generation of Americans did not watch cable news, its purveyors might be more circumspect.
The fact is, this generation has the media it deserves–mediocre, ignorant, and oblivious to professional standards.
What to do? Don’t watch the news impostors at CNN, MSNBC, Fox, and go light on the Internet; read papers, and listen to Internet BBC world.
Easy, huh?
Posted by: Frederick Willman | February 9, 2008, 3:00 pm 3:00 pm
The Clintons’tactics are at once disgusting and brilliant. Schuster’s comment was tasteless and contemptible but it has given the Clinton campaign an excuse to assume high dudgeon and occupy another day of news thereby defecting news from continuing Obama delegate advances. What’s more, running against MSNBC (recall the right wing conspiracy) throws red meat to all those Clinton Democrats rabid to restore them to the White House. Finally, for REAL news, where the hell is the press when it comes to asking the Clintons about keeping locked up their income tax records, Hill’s health care papers from the White House, and the list of Bill’s business cronies who donated millions to the Foundaion and the Library.
Posted by: AntiRestoratiuonDemocrat | February 9, 2008, 3:00 pm 3:00 pm
The self-important men on MSNBC, to include Chris Matthews, and now David Shuster, don’t understand that by attacking Chelsea Clinton in this way they are attacking all women, shows you the lengths that our media will go to destroy Hillary Clinton, doing everything they can to bring her down to a pimp level politician, even at the cost of using her daughter to do it.
Any decent man like myself, should be mad as hell with these people for trating women like garbage, I have three daugthers, I won’t let anyone talk about them this way. It is not okay to be sexist, women deserve respect, I am ashamed of some men in some forums, defending something that has no defense.
Posted by: Pat | February 9, 2008, 3:00 pm 3:00 pm
Every candidate since TV campaigning has had their children and spouses out there in the limelight. Although, apparently only Hillary PIMPS her daughter. What was it called when Bush’s daughters spoke at the convention? Go git em’ Hillary.
Posted by: Marti | February 9, 2008, 3:00 pm 3:00 pm
I believe the Clintons have a very valiad complaint. I however also believe it is not just the Clintons but the media especially TV News take liberities beyound the intent of ” Freedom of Speach”. It seems to me that there needs to be at least a sense of decencey and fair paly. If some of these comments were turned around and tossed at their families there would be hell to pay and we the public would be watching a 80 minute speacial on ” Miss use and undo abusse of Free Speach and Decence ” at the very least. We the viewing public should speak up and hold all networks and reports responsibile for their words and action. They are no different then the celbs and sports stars tehy continuosly complain about
Posted by: george donovan | February 9, 2008, 3:01 pm 3:01 pm
The unfortunate use of street slang did come off as rude, but the point was made. As usual, When Hillary feels threatened, she tries to play the wounded female card, instead of taking the question “head on.” I find that insulting, not to mention dishonest. As a women, I find that more offensive than what the reporter said.
The fact is, the reporter DID NOT call Chelsea a prostitute! He was pointing out the fact that as a 20 something year old women, she no longer needs “protecting. If she truly on her own wanted to campaign for her mother, then she should stand on her own two feet, and answer questions from legitimate reporters!
The veiled threat that unless the reporter is santioned, that she could choose not to participate in N.B.C. debates, does not sit well either. If per chance, she were to become President, would she pull such stunts if a foreign dignitary were to pose a question she did not like? As the old saying goes, if you can’t take the heat….
Posted by: Kathy Schroeder | February 9, 2008, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm
Hillary Clinton is about to be voting on S-1959!!! This is a bill that, unfortunately, passed The House and is now heading to the Senate. In the House of Reps it was entitled HR1955. Any politicians insistence on stifling speech in any form has become frightful to me based on the accumulative effects we very well might see from this. Homeland Security, The Patriot Act, The Real I.D. Act, and now S 1959. These combined lend themselves to a massive reduction in American civil liberties!! Please folks… educate yourself on S 1959 and demand action from your Reps and Senators….while you still have a voice. Thanks, D
Posted by: Damian | February 9, 2008, 3:03 pm 3:03 pm
Bill ST “For the majority of the older commenters here: please understand that ‘pimping’ is often used these days without any sort of sexual reference”
David Schuster is over 40 and he meant it with the disgusting sexual connotation that it has been received.
I agree with all the posters who respect the women in their lives and want to give Schuster the royal A$$ Kicking he deserves.
Imagine someone saying same thing about Meadow to Tony Soprano.
Posted by: John D | February 9, 2008, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm
You know where the Clintons lose sympathy is by overplaying their hands. I’ve admitted all along that the comment was crass and questionable for a network news anchor. The question then becomes what do people believe ought to be done about it?
There are several options available to all the affected parties – Chelsea, Hillary, David Shuster, MSNBC . . . David Shuster already apologized, MSNBC suspended him, but what have the Clintons done?
Hillary threatened to pull out of the debates and still hasn’t agreed to do it. Chelsea’s still silent. What more do they want MSNBC to say or do? Here is where I think many of us start to question the sincerity of their offense and start wondering whether they’ve gone past the point of what’s fair and are now trying to milk the situation for political gain.
Why is Chelsea still silent if she was so offended. How do we know she’s offended? Hillary claims she was offended, so what does she want done? She’s running to be President of the world’s greatest and most powerful nation for goodness sake – what does she want people to DO? What is she hoping to ACCOMPLISH? Have a plan for once for goodness sake . . .
Posted by: Sam | February 9, 2008, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm
I consider myself a liberal, but when it comes to this comment about Chelsea all I can say is “well hey, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck….”
Hillary should start focusing on comming up with her own catch phrases instead of stealing Obama’s “Yes We Can” and “Fired up” lines.
I’m telling you, I went into this race really pulling for Hillary and wanting to give a woman a chance to be president, but everyday she just proves her critics right. This woman is SERIOUSLY getting on my nerves. If she’s the nominee I don’t know if I could vote for her. No, scratch that. I don’t think I would vote for her.
Posted by: jenny | February 9, 2008, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm
Whatever happened to freedom of speech?
Posted by: Pittsburgh Guy | February 9, 2008, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm
This is not the first time Hillary has had to come to Chelsea’s defense. Anyone remember Rush Limbaugh calling Chelsea “ugly” not long after Bill was elected president the first time? She was just a young girl, but it didn’t matter to these rabid mad dog conservatives then and it doesn’t now.
Posted by: Steve 2 | February 9, 2008, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm
pimp-gate – do we just add “gate” to anything now to indicate some sort of issue ?
Posted by: rob | February 9, 2008, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm
Good work by the Clintons on deflecting attention. Now about that $5 million and Hillary’s refusal to release her income tax returns….
Posted by: Nelson | February 9, 2008, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm
This obvious distraction is EXACTLY why I can not even think about voting for another Clinton. Controversy follows them wherever they go . Most times they bring it upon themselves.
Posted by: NOTPC | February 9, 2008, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm
i guess the clintons can dish it out hand over fist but they can take it.
everytime that woman (and I use the word loosely) opens her mouth, I cringe and what joy it must bring the Republicans if she turns out to be the nominee. They’ll have mud for days to sling at her….and not unjustly! Yikes!
Posted by: Jenny | February 9, 2008, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm
does anybody had a chance to observe hillary close in person when tv camera is not on her?
many of reporters did, so did some of her old allies. none of you commentator saw her in person other than television screen.
Posted by: young | February 9, 2008, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm
Uh… Hillary should have considered her entire family when running for office. Not just herself. Her using her power to force punishment on Shuster is a constitutional violation. Because she is a candidate for president, she’s allowed to punish people for saying something bad? Didn’t she just recently poke fun at Bush for not enforcing the Constitution? Yet another flip flop of ideas… She’s going to be our next president??? Oh S**T!!!
Posted by: Jack | February 9, 2008, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm
A couple have posters have observed that the word “pimp” is acceptable in todays language because it evokes a positive. I can remember when “fag” was slang for a cigarette and “hoe” was a farming implement. Does that make them acceptable too? Wouldn’t that be a queer coincidence.
Posted by: bruce | February 9, 2008, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm
Clinton has very bad advisors….why didn’t they reminder her that if one creates a word web of association including the three key words of Hillary, Bill and Pimp…….the natural association is that of Monica…not that Media Reporters should apologize. Give me a break…as an educator one of the first things we teach is the concept of word associations or “Word Webs”! Hillary jumped into this one…and I am glad..she should have had more honor than to defend a proven liar on National TV! She will only defend liars in the White House too! (Maybe that is why it is actually Off-White! lol
Posted by: Dawn | February 9, 2008, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm
I don’t have any kids, but if I had a daughter and some ignorant fool like Schuster would mention my daughter’s name and the word “pimping” in the same sentence, I would personally kick his ***. I supposed it would be OK if he was a teenager reporting for Nickolodeon, where the word to “pimp” can be intepreted as just that, teen-slang. However, when an old fart like Schuster uses it, it takes on a whole different meaning, and it is just plain wrong. He should be fired. Way to go Hillar! stand up for your daughter and family.
Posted by: Adam1979 | February 9, 2008, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm
If people think Shuster ought to be fired, then why hasn’t Hillary called for it? Why didn’t she think of that? Why the delay and the hesitancy? I think that shows a weakness of leadership ability . . .
Posted by: Sam | February 9, 2008, 3:09 pm 3:09 pm
so bill pays little for the monica deal and a reporter may pay with his career for pointing out the fact that hill and bill are now in search of star power via their 27 year old daughter as opposed to hill and or bill calling.
GET OVER IT! it is akin to daddy’s oval office courting stunts. jeeze to bad vince foster can’t weigh in on this one
Posted by: bigmoondog | February 9, 2008, 3:09 pm 3:09 pm
Personally, I don’t feel that news personalities should have to apologize for simply saying aloud on air what a great portion of America is thinking…
Posted by: LilNilla | February 9, 2008, 3:09 pm 3:09 pm
Wow, way to distract attention from the real issues.
Congrats, Hillary. You just officially lost my vote IF you become the niminee.
I pray to God that Obama is the nominee so Billary can just fade away and never been seen or heard from again.
Posted by: Jenny | February 9, 2008, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm
As an Obama supporter, even I have to agree that some of the bias is off-putting. It does no one any good, especially Barack Obama’s campaign.
The media has a habit of treating viewers like we are stupid. We are not lemmings or completely blind. We do know slant when we see it. On the other hand I do want to point out that there are many that slant very obviously toward the Clinton campaign.
What happened to journalism being objective and informative? Hmmm, maybe we should talk about changing the tone of news.
It seems to me that Paddy Chayefsky’s comment in the film “Network”, is so relevant. When you worry about ratings it becomes simply too much of a temptation for news outlets. They like to hire people that can make people angry, sensationalize stupid things and simply treat us like gawkers at a car accident.
I am waiting for Godot on this one, but where is the person that can actually get us back to the NEWS.
“I”M MAD AS HELL, AND I AM NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANY MORE.”
Posted by: Jay | February 9, 2008, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm
People, come on. How would you feel if someone had said something so demeaning about your child? Forget that Hillary is an Politician. This is her daughter.
Posted by: blank name | February 9, 2008, 3:12 pm 3:12 pm
I so agree with you, deecani. Racist remarks about Obama so wouldn’t be tolerated, and shouldn’t be, but sexist remarks against Clinton run rampant, and if a woman (Hillary or anyone else) complains about it, we’re told we’re being too sensitive. To me, that’s like telling African Americans they’re being “too sensitive” about nooses and sitting at the back of the bus. Attack Clinton on her political stances, but leave her daughter, her appearance, and her emotions out of it. Sheesh!
Posted by: Robbie | February 9, 2008, 3:12 pm 3:12 pm
MSNBC coverage of Hillary and Barak has been noticeably one-sided – in Barak’s favor. Often, when a talking head says something positive about the Clinton campaign, a moderator will quickly cut him/her off, give a look, overtalk, or firmly rebut. Other remarks and body language strongly indicate MSNBC’s overall preference for Obama. The ‘pimp’ remark was offensive – and when have we ever heard such a reference when ANY family member of ANY OTHER candidate, now or in the past, has helped a candidate with his campaign?
Hillary has more delegates and super delegates – even when MI and FL are not counted. If they were, she would be about 3/4 of the way to the total for nomination. I have yet to hear any commentator acknowledge that.
The last time the media slanted the way it is now, we got Bush.
Posted by: sunrose | February 9, 2008, 3:12 pm 3:12 pm
Shuster is a scapegoat.
Posted by: WCH | February 9, 2008, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm
Media is doing very poor job in assisting American people to select their president. I am not Hillary’s lover or hater. But I want to say this: It was Obama who first mentioned MLK, if he was not trying to compare himself to MLK. But why he was not mentioning President Lincoln, who liberated slaves. Then when Hillary or Bill said something afterwards, all media jumped in and accused them inserting race into race?
How many questions has the media asked Obama about WHAT ARE REAL CHANGES? HOW TO BRING THOSE CHANGES? He was labeled as a uniter. Has he ever explained that how to unit Republicans who have deep philosophical views?
About many youths voted for him: Because youths are easily mislead by media and empty slogans. Lenin cheated millions youths for revolution in U.S.S.R. and Mao cheated millions youths for Culture Revolution in China. What were the results? Bush’s leadership and vision cheated millions Americans for 8 years. Will another empty slogan “CHANGE” cheat millions American again? People, Get Real! Don’t Be Fooled by VISION, CHANGE, and INSPIRATION…
People think simple:
1/9/2001 One American Dollar = 1.51 Canadian Dollar
2/9/2008 One American Dollar= 1 Canadian Dollar
Makeup Your Own Minds!
Posted by: Get_Real | February 9, 2008, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm
Anyone else consider that it’s probably (the fast trackin’) Shuster who is being “pimped” by Keith Obermouth and Cristhp mmMathews.
Posted by: tradamerica | February 9, 2008, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm
Plese Hilliary get the nomination so McCain and the Replubican Machine can crush you!!
Posted by: stephen | February 9, 2008, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm
Being a 60+ citizen, I don’t yet understand the pop language changes. To me feeling Gay is desirable. Liberal means caring for others. Open-mindedness is a sign of wisdom and Values not reflecting love are not Christian values. Speaking of one’s unmarried daughter in terms linked directly to prostitution deserve a Harry Truman type response This is the correct time for a proper husband to defend the honor of his family! Where are you Bill Clinton?
Posted by: JBC | February 9, 2008, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm
This all reminds ME of MY ex when she got dirty by flying the broom so low. Lighten up sweetheart. Your time came and went a long ago.
Posted by: ELIMA | February 9, 2008, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm
Once again, I think we’re all in agreement that the comments were tacky. The question now is what do the Clintons want done about it? Does she want David Shuster to be fired or not? I think Hillary and Chelsea need to be clear on where they stand. Time for some leadership . . .
Posted by: Sam | February 9, 2008, 3:15 pm 3:15 pm
I am a man. I would love to see a women as president, but not this one. What is she talking about. Does she wants an apology?
Wait a minute. I still hurt by the sexual mess they put this country in, America was big news around the world. Behind a great man is a great women, also goes the other way around. Bill’s underpants did not get dirty by itself, she deserve a portion of the cake too. So enjoy it.
Posted by: CUBANRHYTHM | February 9, 2008, 3:15 pm 3:15 pm
Shuster deserves suspension. However, the media and public has the right to scrutinize Chelsea Clinton’s involvement. She’s an adult and should be treated equally to others participating in this election. Why should she have special treatment from everybody else?
Posted by: hellopeople | February 9, 2008, 3:15 pm 3:15 pm
Shame on you,Dave Schuster. Amount to such a low of verbal attack. Think again if you think you were only doing your job. Trashing people..my sadness.
Posted by: J Bond | February 9, 2008, 3:16 pm 3:16 pm
“I totally agree with “Where are You” who says that if Michelle Obama had been described as being pimped out, there would be blood in the streets right now! But it’s OK to slam the Clintons with this remark…why…becaues they’re Clintons?”
I could not agree more.
Posted by: John D | February 9, 2008, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm
I think that Shuster’s statement, while crude, described exactly what was going on and has been going on for quite some time. and considering that for decades the only principles and values that most elected officials have is what the highest bidders (PACs, lobbyists, campaign contributors, etc.) tell them to have, isn’t the political scene in general one of moral prostitution?
Posted by: Publius | February 9, 2008, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm
Presidential campaigns are historically known for their low blows. But one has to take into account that the word “pimping” has now come to mean giving up your values and self-respect for some sort of gain, not just sexual behavior.
The fact of the matter is that the Clintons are a family and family members tend to stick together to help each other with challenges. We actually expect that in our leaders, you know, “family values” and all that stuff. So why wouldn’t Chelsea help out? What’s wrong with it? I’m only sorry she’s too shy to speak out in favor of her mother – Hillary needs it. She’s basically a man in a woman’s body: competitive, win-at-all-costs, vindictive, and manipulative. It’s a sad day when women have to sell out femininity (or should I say pimp themselves???) to succeed in a man’s world. So, I take any signs that she is committed mother as a positive thing about her.
-seer
Posted by: seer | February 9, 2008, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm
Now that Romney’s gone, I’m gonna give my normally republican vote to Obama in Tuesday’s Virginia primary. We’ve had enough of Billary in the White House.
Posted by: genlin | February 9, 2008, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm
Maybe MSNBC should get out of politics .. they ae behaving like the state own media rooting for Putin or the media rooting for General Musharaff, like the media in Cuba for Castro, like half the media in Venezuela for Hugo Chavez, like the Fox for whoever, like CNN,CBS,ABC for Obama.
Do notinsult my intelligence!!
Posted by: Pat | February 9, 2008, 3:18 pm 3:18 pm
Schuster and MSNBC should “reown it”. Their “unbiased” reporters have been pimping for Obama all along.
Posted by: Sherwood | February 9, 2008, 3:19 pm 3:19 pm
I cant believe I used to watch MSNBC. I loath all of them. I also loath Obama. MSNBC has had a big part in making him.Hillary will make a great president and then Chris Matthews can eat all of the disgusting things he has said about her.
Posted by: benj | February 9, 2008, 3:19 pm 3:19 pm
Hillary Clinton becoming President of the United States is a cinderella fairytale!!
Posted by: stephen | February 9, 2008, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm
I am sick and tired of Clinton-haters, especially women (who don’t know the singular from plural-Kathy S.), attacking Hillary and her family. All these mousy women feel threatened by women who have the intelligence and the courage to stand up for true change in America, not just inspiring rhetoric. What did our mothers tell us about men who are good at sweet talking but can’t move beyond that? If Hillary is not elected, all Clinton-haters will be to blame when our economy goes down the drain and you don’t see a good kind of change.
Posted by: Lady Justice | February 9, 2008, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm
War!!! War!!! War!!!
Posted by: jack | February 9, 2008, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm
What strikes me is the Clintons are outraged at the “pimp” comment aimed at their 28 year old “Child”, yet Bill didn’t have a problem engaging in disgusting acts in OUR OVAL OFFICE with someone else’s 20 something daughter. How did they think the Lewinski’s felt?
Clintons, you have no room to complain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Alice | February 9, 2008, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm
Is this the best that Hillary can do in terms of this news cycle? She has had terrible coverage with her loan to her campaign, now she’s trying to claim that she is the victim in regards to poor coverage? That’s it? Nothing positive?
She really needs to get her act together and do something positive. Otherwise, Obama’s momentum will swallow her whole. The idea that the wife of a former President and a Senator from NY is a victim is ridiculous.
Posted by: bwvr | February 9, 2008, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm
It’s called KARMA!
The Clintons did worse when they messed up the life of AN EVEN YOUNGER MONICA LEWINSKI!
Fortunately for the OLDER Chelsea, she did not have to endure what the YOUNGER Monica Lewinski had to endure BECAUSE OF HER FATHER, BILL CLINTON!
HOW MANY DEMONSTRATED SYMPATHY FOR THE YOUNGER MONICA LEWISNSKI?
Posted by: New Yorker | February 9, 2008, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm
Why is Bill Clinton not being a man and coming out to defend his family?
Posted by: alice | February 9, 2008, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm
Think again Obama woman thrashers. If this comment were made about Michelle Obama, we would have riots in all major cities with Oprah leading the fire brigade.
Posted by: John K | February 9, 2008, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm
The Clinton Campaign Knows No bounds! How low can you go? Chelsea do yourself a favor and drop out of your moms Campaign.
Posted by: Listen Up | February 9, 2008, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm
In my opinion, the everyday language we hear on tv and elsewhere has far too many references to drug users/sellers, gangs, gangsters, criminals and other low-lifes than is necessary. As a whole, the American people do not speak this way. Those of you who do have been listening to hip-hop music way too much. The comment about Chelsea Clinton being “pimped out” to help her mother’s campaign was really out of line. Whether it was intended to mean “promoting her mother’s campaign” or any of the other euphemistic definitions offered by the posters, the root definition, that she was forced to prostitute herself another’s gain, is what is understood, and what was really intended. Speculate what you want, it was still a mean-spirited, sexist remark. Everyone should just take a step back, take a deep breath and realize that none of this crap matters. We are either going to have a white woman, a black man, or a white man for a president. So what? Nothing will change. We’ll still be at war. Our jobs will still go overseas. People will still sneak over the border. Gas prices will still increase. The lobbyists and big corporations are running the country now. The American Dream is dead.
Posted by: Colleen | February 9, 2008, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm
what a way to try and play the “weak female getting picked on by strong male” card.
IT’S TOO LATE BILLARY.
Posted by: DOC | February 9, 2008, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm
It was wrong but not uncommon. You are going to have to tell all Journalist across the board that they cannot say that someone is in bed with someone else allegorically speaking. While your at it, tell all Americans everywhere that they cannot use that kind of language at work. …and hope everyone forgets what prompted the comment in the first place. Hope they forget that your “democratic” process is not very democratic.
Posted by: Daleri | February 9, 2008, 3:27 pm 3:27 pm
This draws NO comparison to what happened between Bill and Monica. None what so ever. Monica new what she was doing. No one forced her to drop down on her knees.
Posted by: blank name | February 9, 2008, 3:27 pm 3:27 pm
You people better wise up and dump Clinton before it’s too late. If her and her husband haven’t made you sick yet there’s simply something wrong with you. She’ll be as overbearing to world leaders as she is the press or anything else she disagrees with or gets in her way. You stupid Democrats need not make such a ridiculous choice if you want the change you cry about every day.
Posted by: Scotty | February 9, 2008, 3:27 pm 3:27 pm
Voting for hillary is not moving forward but taking a step backwards!
Posted by: Demo Rules | February 9, 2008, 3:27 pm 3:27 pm
The Clintons are quick to jump on others who abuse their sensibilities, however,the Clintons have a long cherished tradition of playing hardball with others.
Chelsea is an adult who has entered the political arena. Welcome Chelsea. The junk comes with the territory. Perhaps she ought to visit the Clinton “Attack Room”.
Posted by: FloridaandWorkikng | February 9, 2008, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm
The pimping comment wasn’t a shot at Chelsea, but was a shot at her parents. If the shoe fits… Sheesh. Some people just don’t get it.
Posted by: sjtom | February 9, 2008, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm
I am so sick of hearing Obama on the evening news. It seems like NBC and MSNBC are doing all they can to get votes for Obama. As a Democrat before Obama I am now a Independent.If Obama gets the Nominee then I will be voting for the Republican Nominee and hope it is Huckabee. My husband and I have stopped watching MSNBC . When they stop talking about the news and try to pass off their own personal views then we will have nothing to do with that news outlet. We cannot stand Chris Matthews as he never lets anyone talk but himself. We was excited about this election but have become sick of it all.
Posted by: Ellen | February 9, 2008, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm
Very poor taste from MSNBC’s David Shuster…
But really Chelsea is 28 years old with degrees from Stanford University & Oxford. Having lived hardly a sheltered life in the WHite House and watching her Pop on TV I’m sure she’s pretty mature.
So who is exploiting this? That’s obvious…
Posted by: John S | February 9, 2008, 3:30 pm 3:30 pm
If Hillary shuts down media criticism this easily when she is only a candidate, think of the first amendment violations to come if she is elected. She claims she can “take anything” but she proceeds to call for someone’s job and try to ruin someone’s career over an unfortunate comment. We have all made inappropriate comments – am I next? Probably – watch this…
Hey Hillary, it’s hard to believe that you could pimp out that man-faced daughter of yours to begin with, so lighten up.
Posted by: Putemupagainstthewall! | February 9, 2008, 3:30 pm 3:30 pm
I can’t believe many of these comments! How old are some of you? Or more to the point, how young? This remark was disgusting period and would be no matter who it was directed at.
Posted by: Jean | February 9, 2008, 3:30 pm 3:30 pm
IF she gets to the White House – is that what she’s going to be? “A mom first, then a President”?
The meaning of the word ‘pimp’ has been blurred, ever since the new ‘pimp’ TV programs came out… ‘Pimp my Ride’, ‘Pimp my Man’, ‘Pimp my whatever…’. Taken from these, the word now seems to mean ‘refresh’, ‘change for the better’, ‘make new’, etc….
So a news guy used the word in conjunction with Chelsea’s job of calling voters. It actually seems appropriate, if you really think about it.
Posted by: JA | February 9, 2008, 3:30 pm 3:30 pm
chelsea is 27 years old people get a life.What about the guys in the teens and early 20′s dieing over in Iraq? and who Voted to send them to Iraq? I do believe her name was HILLARY!
Posted by: Listen Up | February 9, 2008, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm
Mr. Shuster’s remark was in such poor taste. Ms Clinton is an intelligent, respectful young LADY that is working for her mother’s campaign as have many, many children of politician’s before her. She is owed an apology and people need to remember she is an adult and her own person and such disprespect is reprehensible.
As for Mr. Clinton’s past transgression, I don’t know what that has to do with Chelsea OR Hillary for that matter. This remark is so classic however of right wing hypocrites that spend to much time throwing stones at others. Have we all forgotten the despicable child molesting, sexual cruising deviants that have been uncovered in the present administration? At least Mr. Clinton had the social graces to have a heterosexual tryst with a consenting adult and not some innocent children on the internet.
Posted by: Maria B | February 9, 2008, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm
I you have someone doing something to someone else. solely for your benefit, then yes you are pimping them out.
Posted by: Louis | February 9, 2008, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm
Who do these reporters think they are, where do they think they are, and who do they think they’re talking to? Why did the otherwise bright-seeming Shuster choose that kind of demeaning language, to punish Hillary? Bill? Chelsea? Is that his place, as an impartial reporter? He has shown his, and perhaps MSNBC’s, colors here. Shame on you, Shuster, and that goes for your goading buddy Matthews double.
Posted by: Rene | February 9, 2008, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm
I don’t believe MSNBC’s David Shuster when he said he used the wrong wording; that the words “pimped out” were intended to mean “promoting her mother’s campaign”.
Posted by: blank name | February 9, 2008, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm
if shes invoved in the campaign she’s free game.
Posted by: bob johnson | February 9, 2008, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm
I totally support Hilary’s stance and her support of her daughter. It is time for these talking head — err “reporters” — ALL of them, every single one of them — to report the freaking news and then shut their stupid mouths. If I want to know what ANY of them “think” I’ll let them know. The news media in the USA is totally biased. Just go get your makeup on, sit down in front of the camera, read the NEWS, not your stupid opinion, and get the hell out of the way. As for Shuster, it’s very easy: GE-NBC should FIRE him. Don’t buy another GE appliance or light bulb or any comsumer products with the GE name until they get their news organizations to be responsible.
Posted by: Paul | February 9, 2008, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm
It’s so easy to know where someone who calls a woman “overbearing” is coming from. But, this election is not about people’s personality insecurities, shortcomings, or traumas. It’s about finally accepting that it’s o.k. for a woman to be strong, assertive, smart, and a leader. The United States needs to stop being hypocritical and accept that, as a culture, we’re behind most developed and even third world countries in accepting national leadership in the hands of a capable, qualified, hard-working woman. Give her a chance – all of you came out from women; women have ensured that our human race continues so give the woman a break.
Posted by: Lady Justice | February 9, 2008, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm
Seems like there is a pattern of Clintons strong arming the media to control the message and supress what they do not like.
Posted by: Claire W Solt, PhD | February 9, 2008, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm
So…this is sticking to the issues? Spin it again drama queen.
Your “baby” ain’t no baby…she is a 27 year old adult who snubbed a 9 year old little girl. You and Bill ARE USING HER TO BENEFIT YOUR CAMPAIGN…pimping is now just a slang term for exactly what you are doing.
Drama, let me count the ways:
1. A “planted” question on U-Tube debate; set the tone for this camapign
2. Lawsuit in Nevada on caucus sites; first Bill tyrade; scared to death you were going to lose
3. Tears in New Hampshire; campaign not going your way
4. Heckler wanting you to iron his shirts; chance to speak up for women’s rights
5. Found your voice at 60+; trying to separate yourself from Bill’s finger wagging “give me a break” fairy tale
6. MLK comments; play that race card
7. Bill’s tyrades in New Hampshire and South Carolina; slander Obama’s record
8. Woman fainting on stage with Chelsea rushing to her aid; that woman staggered around a very long time to give Chelsea time to get on stage while no one around her did a thing…strange isn’t it?
9. Jessie Jackson comments; play that race card again
10. ANOTHER HECKLER with Bill in Denver on 9/11; Oh my gosh…Bill could tell you exactly how many muslims died on 9/11…amazing recall since he forgot all about that uranium deal
11. ANOTHER PERSON FAINTING while Hillary herself was on stage and had to “call for the paramedics”…way too many fainting spells for a coincidence
12. Poor Chelsea being mistreated by the media when they ARE pimping her; work on that sympathy vote again
13. Loan to her campaign, ploy to get supporters rallied enough to make some news; hoping to outdo Obama’s strong showing in supporters and contributions
14. Change in her speech patterns … slower more defined…sounding a lot like a very bad Obama imitation
Now where were we on the issues?
Way too much drama. I DON’T LIKE THE DRAMA…DON’T WANT THE DRAMA…WILL NOT VOTE FOR THE DRAMA
Posted by: Drama Drama Drama | February 9, 2008, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm
Just because Hillary is married to Bill and apparently loves the idiot doesn’t make his transgressions her’s and they should not be included in HER campaign. Since it is here campaign she is rightly the defender of her daughter…not her husband.
Posted by: Chatter | February 9, 2008, 3:37 pm 3:37 pm
I am a parent, and my son is active duty military.He has lost so many friends in Iraq, and I worry about him all the time.You Hillary backers make me sick and as far as im concerned you are UnAmerican, why dont you Hillary backers go volunteer in Iraq so the real Hero’s can come home!
Posted by: Mom First | February 9, 2008, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm
To all United States of America citezens
i tell you don’t kill your precious time Senator Obama will win the race and will be The persedent of Uninted States of America.
Ashanfi Tibebesilassie
Posted by: ashenafi | February 9, 2008, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm
and why in the hell would this country even concider,voting for anyone with the middle name”HUSSIEN”???????????yes do gooders,thats obamas middle name!
Posted by: mike d | February 9, 2008, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm
“pimp” as a verb… to procure.
That’s exactly what the Clinton’s are doing. They are sending Chelsea to procure votes from the Super Delegates.
aka “pimping her out”.
Posted by: cld9 | February 9, 2008, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm
It seems some males just can’t quite get over the fact that women are just as capable as men when it comes to qualities that are needed in a strong leader. After all, the only presidential yardstick that we, as Americans, have had over the 200+ years of our existence as a country is a male yardstick.
From the doctrine of “coverture” in marriages – where the woman’s person was subsumed in the man’s persona – to the notion that women could be punished and whipped to keep them in line – a notion that was sanctioned by state courts – women have been relegated to an unequal status.
Although the 26th Amendment, ratified on July 1, 1971, lowered the voting age to 18, the last group to obtain the right to vote was women. Through the years, women have been excluded from juries, from corporate offices, from equal pay opportunities, and from professions based on the idea that women were weak and incapable of assuming responsibilty and leadership roles – their place was to tend home and hearth.
While I have over the past few months donated a small amount to the John MaCains’ campaign, I have a certain amount of sympathy for Hillary Clinton. If she gets tired and shows emotion, watchers call her weak. If she shows little or no emotion, watchers call her cold. If she is strong and aggressive, watchers call her a b…. As the first woman to run for president, she is in an enviable yet unenviable position.
But no matter what position she finds herself in, she is the first of our gender to step forward and take the slings and arrows that go with a presidential campaign. She is the first, but if she does not win the nomination or presidency, I am certain she will not be the last.
Posted by: Fair | February 9, 2008, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm
Hillary is playing this story up to her advantage. It was a non-story, and still should be. The Clintons are shameless in their use of their daughter. Hil will do ANYTHING to win. She should be ashamed. I expect the Republicans are PRAYING she wins the nomination. Heck, the primaries are so crooked with 40% of the delegates being insiders anyway. Shame on our “Democratic” party, never again can we complain about Florida. Enough venting. OUT!
Posted by: bob | February 9, 2008, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm
Isn’t Shuster getting pimped?
People should refrain talking garbage.
Another subject: Do I care what happen when Clinton was in The White House? NO You grown ups should get over it, you aren’t in high school anymore.
MSNBC, like Fox should just close its doors, all their crap is misinformation anyhow.
Posted by: .R3N3G4D3 | February 9, 2008, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm
Msnbc has suspended this fellow but the obama zombies blame Hillary anyway. It does appear the best part of most obama bots run down their mother’s leg, namely brain material.
Posted by: Wil | February 9, 2008, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm
Well, the comment wasn’t appropriate BUT when you enter public life supporting a candidate, it is allowed. 1st amendment!
Posted by: Brent | February 9, 2008, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm
To Dr. Claire W. Solt: Googling your name indicates you taught Middle Ages history, and have now retired after several enjoying a wonderful career and attendant honors. How so very fitting your comment endorsing Shuster’s insult to the Clintons and the rest of us—wait a minute, that doesn’t seem right. Neither does your comment.
Posted by: Rene deP | February 9, 2008, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm
Bill Clinton is not coming out to defend because they will use whatever he says against Hillary and she will be accused of not knowing how to defend herself. I’m sure Obama supporters would love it if Bill said what he would probably want to say. They play everything he says in the news but they give Obama’s outspoken, opinionated wife all the freedom to speak without publicity or criticism. It’s definitely a double-standard.
Posted by: Lady Justice | February 9, 2008, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm
Rene, do you REALLY believe reporters are “impartial”? I believe the FBI should be investigating the lib media for Election Racketeering as they attack one candidate, push another, ignore serious issues if it will harm THEIR candidate. Hillary has been protected for years but now that a new king (obama) is to be annointed by the media, the “impartial journalist” have turned on Hillary. It makes me wonder how much campaign money passes to the hands of so-called “journalist” for their payoff. The partisanship of the lib media is just too obvious.
Posted by: Bill | February 9, 2008, 3:44 pm 3:44 pm
The litmus test is would shuster had passed the same demeaning and vulgar comments about his own sister , daughter or wife. it is time american journalists get out of the gutter politics . The honour of a nation or culture is based on HOW THEY RESPECT WOMEN. By passing derogatory remarks this person does not help the story line in any way. same goes to MATHEWS.
i woder if he spends some time about telling the stories about the political, moral and financial achievements by the former first couple.
AMERICANS SHOULD RAISE VOICE AGAINST THESE SO CAALED GUTTER JOURNALISTS.
WE MUST KEEP THE DIGNITY OF DAUGHTERS AND MOTHERS OF THIS NATION ONLY THEN AMERICA CAN BE A STRONG MORAL SOCIETY.
bhagwan deol . losangeles
Posted by: bhagwan deol | February 9, 2008, 3:44 pm 3:44 pm
Mrs. Clinton,
You are a mighty woman and a caring mother. David Shuster is a sexist pig.
Now, Please show us your TAX RETURNS!!!
NOW!
Posted by: annie | February 9, 2008, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm
Woooow!!! Take it easy there Fair. I am a Male. I do believe for a woman to take charge for the nation, because I happen to know what a women can do, ask my Mom. She kicks ***
Posted by: R3N3G4D3 | February 9, 2008, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm
Look, like a few others under 40 have said – to “pimp someone out” means to use them for your own gain.
*I* understood what he was saying. I’m female – I didn’t think anything of it. It wasn’t used in the sexist manner, but the manipulative manner.
Doubly ironic in that this is the same woman who had no problem with James Carville calling Paula Jones “Trailer Park Trash”
Posted by: Ladyvoter | February 9, 2008, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm
Here we are in the 21st century, seeing some progress of centuries of protests, prison time, and hard work by activists, whether civil rights or feminist.
However, the shaping of current US culture, promulgated by large corporate media conglomerates and their largely white male board of directors, has turned to a near low in terms of quality programming and “news” in the 21st century.
Too bad for you that Hillary Clinton has earned her seat at the table through hard work, intelligence, the opportunity for and completion of a good education, pure grit and energy. Many are surprised that she can hold her own in a debate and is capable of providing answers of content rather than hot air.
Sadly, an audience member at a recent debate shouted “Iron my shirt” to her. Imagine what kind of publicity and outrage we would have heard had someone yelled, “Shine my shoes” to Obama? Al Sharpton and his buddy, Jesse Jackson, would have cried racism and bigotry, as well it would be. How is this any different?
I am still mystified as to why women don’t stand up to this kind of sexism and heckling. We really must demand better from society and the media.
Women of any color STILL endure a tremendous amout of sexism everywhere they turn. We’re now seeing this play out by the good-ole-boy corporate media during this year’s national elections. The pathetic garbage that is publicly aired and condoned towards both Hillary and Chelsea is nothing less than disgusting.
I am happy to see that the Democrats are the first parties in this country to offer a difference and a change. In my view, Hillary brings the kind of change, character and experience needed to lead this country. She did so without endorsement of the liberal New England good-ole-boy of John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, Patrick Kennedy or support from corporate media.
Think we’ve come a long way? Unfortunately, look how little we have truly come and how low our expectations are from the media has sunk.
Posted by: George | February 9, 2008, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm
Fair, don’t speak too fast.
I believe in Hillary and I see her as my equal. I believe that she is as equally capable of managing the responsibilities of the President of the United States as any man, if not better. In my eyes Hillary is “America’s Lady of Hope”, “America’s Lady of Hope” and I truly HOPE that she is elected the next President of the United States because I strongly strongly strongly believe what this country so desperately needs more than anything else is a “Little Mothering”. Stay your course Hillary. Get to the White House so that you can Mother this great nation back to health.
Posted by: blank name | February 9, 2008, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm
MSNBC is a third rate news source, with fourth rate pundits who make inane comments. Pimping out? It’s called campainging, knucklehead.
What I really love is how only now, when the Clinton’s are no longer the darlings of the media, her supporters shrilly denounce the media as biased.
When conservatives pointed out media bias that went on for years under the Clintons, it was dismissed as naive. Looks like the shoe is on the other foot now.
No doubt the Clintons will continue to moan about how persecuted they are… same old sorry, pathetic, story.
What’s really sad is that there isn’t any real difference between Hillary and Obama. They’re both going to usher us closer to Socialism, and McCain isn’t far behind. It’ll be pick your poison in ’08.
Posted by: reaganite | February 9, 2008, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm
Yes, that comment was inappropriate, especially toward an innocent family member, but that’s no reason to pull out of a presidential debate where the American electorate wants to hear important views from a woman who could become the next President of the United States. If Hillary Clinton were to be President and a worse comment about Chelsea came out of the mouth of a Palestinian operative, would she refuse to negotiate with the Palestinians? Obama will fare worse with even nastier comments about himself and his family because of his race, yet he’s looking like a better candidate right now. I say the apologies were enough. Let’s move on and I want to hear a good debate.
Posted by: em1958 | February 9, 2008, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm
If Hillary was such a great Mother she would have removed herself and her daughter and separated from her husband the pig when he went after Monica.
Posted by: Scotty | February 9, 2008, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm
I have seen the Mass Media like Fox, Msnbc and others trying to choose out President for us, tell us what to eat,drink and how to love. As a father, I find that the true prostitute is the MEDIA. They pick and choose their clients and gave the shaft to Edwards because he wouldn’t take their $$$$$$$$!
Posted by: Jim Hughes | February 9, 2008, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm
I dont know what people see in Obama but then there is no accounting for test.I cannot bear to watch him on tv he makes my skin crawl.I detest and despise him and as a black person nothing will make me vote for him.Black people in this country have lost their collective minds. To hear them compare this opportunist to MLK makes me want to throw up.
Posted by: Iffymens | February 9, 2008, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm
If you watch all the cable new programing out there, you will find they all seem to take a side, they all make strong comments, some of their words are not so professional but at the same time, we can’t over step and move to a world of censorship otherwise we completely undermine our right to freedon of speech. At the same time, every has a right to defend themselves and if Chelsea was truely affended I would expect that she would defend her own honor. Obama has been pushing for more debates. I see this last go round with MSNBC a way for Hilary to try and stifel at least one of the schedule debates. It’s not about her daughters honor it’s about playing the game of politics. Also, if I recall, throughout this campaign she has made some rather strong comments about a number of her challengers and President Bush. What does it say about the strength and integrity of the person.
Posted by: John | February 9, 2008, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm
Is it just me,or does obamas wife look like oprah!
Posted by: tyroneg | February 9, 2008, 3:55 pm 3:55 pm
Iffymens… i agree with you. no one could compare to MLK.
Posted by: blank name | February 9, 2008, 3:57 pm 3:57 pm
Schuster is an OBAMA SUPPORTER – and while I don’t think this means that Barack feels the same, IT IS A RESULT OF THE ‘LET US FOLLOW SAINT OBAMA’ campaign that the media is delivering.
We should make up on OUR mind and because the media is IRRESPONSIBLY trying to make up our mind for us, comments like Schuster’s are collateral damage.
I’m supporting Clinton and challenge the media to start playing FAIR by stopping the anti-hillary inside DC media bias…Maybe then they will stop putting their foots in their mouths.
Posted by: Gavin | February 9, 2008, 3:57 pm 3:57 pm
Having a woman President does not scare me, nor does having an African American President scare me. What scares me is having a woman or African American elected as President because they are a woman or an African American. Is this an ipso facto Affirmative Action election?
I have heard many people say they will vote for Hillary Clinton because she is a woman and it is high time we have a woman President. I have also heard it said that any African American who does not vote for Barack Obama is a traitor to their race. I feel that anyone who votes for a candidate because of their gender or race is in for a let down. It could be that once or if either gets elected for President, their may be people who will look back and say, “My God, I should have looked at their politics instead of their gender/race.” That is not to say that their politics are bad, but that those who agree with the gender/race might not agree with their politics. Which is more important for the long run?
Posted by: JGJ | February 9, 2008, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm
It was a poor choice of words; that’s all. Schuster and MSNBC have apologized, repeatedly. That should have been the end of it. But Senator Clinton is playing the oh-so abused victim for headlines, sympathy, and votes. And when that runs out, she’ll forgive, so she can appear magnanimous.
I like Senator Clinton, but this is absurd.
Not to mention, Chelsea is a grown woman who is lobbying superdelegates in a hotly contested primary. She’s no longer a child who needs to be protected from the press, and it’s a bit weird that Senator Clinton is acting as if she is.
Posted by: DLG | February 9, 2008, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm
I can see it now,if Obama gets in office,He will make all women wear scarfs,taxi drivers will be in thier glory,and wait till the reparations begin!
Posted by: tyroneg | February 9, 2008, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm
HILLARY YOU WILL NOT COUNT MY VOTE!!
I WAS NOT BORN HERE IN THE US, SO I LEARNED PROPER ENGLISH, THE WORD PIMP DID NOT MEAN ANY OTHER THING THAT WHAT THE REPORTER TRIED TO SAY.
I AM SICK OF THE CLINTONS GAMES. IT IS ONE DIRTY TEAR AFTER ANOTHER. WHAT WOULD BE NEXT? Would she fire me because I don’t agree with her thoughts. IS THIS WHAT WE NEED NOW FOR A PRESIDENT? IF YOUR DAUGHTER GOT OFFENDED SHE SHOULD STAND FOR HERSELF AS A 27 Y/OLD RESPONSIBLE AND RESPECTFUL LADY. YOU AS A MOTHER SHOULD NOT USE HER FOR YOUR POLITICAL MUDDY GAME. SHAME ON YOU.
WITH YOU IN THE WHITE HOUSE WILL BE ONE SCANDAL AFTER ANOTHER.
Posted by: CUBANRHYTHM | February 9, 2008, 3:59 pm 3:59 pm
Sunrose
Kudos to your post!
First, the coverage by MSNBC favors Obama. When Hillary spoke in Florida to thank her supporters, Matthews and Company kept implying this celebration didn’t mean anything. They are becoming the FOX News channel of this election cycle.
The irony is their bias coverage undermines Obama and helps Hillary. The public is filtering out some of their election coverage.
One more thing, Schuster is a good reporter. He has done some terrific reporting from Congress and overseas. His comments were inappropriate and he apologized. I think we need to move on.
Posted by: yoga82y | February 9, 2008, 3:59 pm 3:59 pm
Mrs Clinton is a woman i really admire particularly when i remember the way she supported her husband during the Lewinsky-issue.
Mrs Clinton is just being envied for her personality and imagine that coming from a man.
Get that man,David Shuster, examined!
Posted by: Kunle Adebawo | February 9, 2008, 3:59 pm 3:59 pm
“i’m a mom first and a candidate second”…..this is EXACTLY why Senator Clinton would make the best President and why she will demolish john mccain…..she cares about her child more than herself and she understands that family comes before party…what is best for her child and the children of every American is the first and last consideration when making decisions in the White House because we owe a duty to them to keep them safe, keep their Nation solvent for their future, and keep their air, water and land clean and vibrant so that they will not have to raise their children with endless filters and protection against the harmful effects of pollution and waste of the natural resources that give us life
Posted by: chris | February 9, 2008, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm
I am one of those that stopped watching MSNBC. This station is one sided. All for Obama.
Posted by: Ellie | February 9, 2008, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm
dlg…..you’re not a parent, are you?
Posted by: chris | February 9, 2008, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm
As bad as a name as Bush has given to Republicans,The choices we have in Democrats almost forces another Repubilican Pres!
Posted by: tyroneg | February 9, 2008, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm
“I just don’t understand why she sends people into such irrational fits”
Oh well, these people voted for George Bush TWICE!!! Rationality is not their strong suit.
The next American president will be a genius. All he/she has to do is to sit in the oval office and NOT invade anything for four years.
Posted by: Ed Dantes | February 9, 2008, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm
Hey Cid,you say pimp means procure. it also means to get. Am I pimping out when I go to the Market for a baby food or 1% milk?
Posted by: f. Kogen | February 9, 2008, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm
I want to report a sexist vile word on this blog…or don’t you care?
Posted by: dotkos | February 9, 2008, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm
Obama is a Christian with a Muslim last name. i seriously do NOT think that will pan out to good in the middle east. The middle easterners may view Obama as a traitor to their faith. America is already hated enough by middle easterners, can you imagine what the hell they will think of us when Obama comes over and tries to make peace. in their minds, they might think Obama is trying to convert the rest of the Muslim world into becoming Christians.
Posted by: blank name | February 9, 2008, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, Hillary can dish out crap but can’t take it.
Granted the gentleman in question probably should of used a different word than pimped but remember this IS the family that had so many nuances for the word IS.
Posted by: RedNose | February 9, 2008, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm
Quoting Madeline Albright:
“there needs to be a special place in hell for women who fail to support other women to attain their potential”
Can we have some sisterhood ?
Posted by: Joy | February 9, 2008, 4:06 pm 4:06 pm
The “pimp” comment was indefensible.
Period.
No similar comment has been made about Michelle Obama, Bill Clinton, or any other candidates’ wives or kids.
It is expected that a candidate’s family will campaign for them. No one accused William Jennings Bryan of “pimping out” his daughter for allowing her to answer a reporter’s questions.
There is a climate where some people feel this is “appropriate” because of the Lewinsky scandal, and I’m sorry but I don’t see that Chelsea bears any responsibility in that!
Posted by: Jenny | February 9, 2008, 4:06 pm 4:06 pm
i love these comments by people who are obviously too ignorant to recognize the great things that a Hillary Clinton Administration is capable of……the only thing all these people are capable of are distortions, lies and baseless accusations to tear down a candidate who they probably know in the deep recesses of their minds would be the best President for their own children…..very sad
Posted by: chris | February 9, 2008, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm
You had no trouble about being pimped by Zionism to give an interview in front of of the apaid wall in Israel. Start working on the interests of the Nation that feeds and protects you and quit serving those who have spelled Amarican ruin from the gas lines of the seventies to 9/11 to the Iraqu war. Go after Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Pearle, and all the rest of those who take their orders strait from Gerusalem, not the MSNBC reporter. Most of all stop the extortion of $20,000,000 a day from those criminals and provide insurance for our children. We pay Israel Over $6 billions a year. Why?
Posted by: JOHN RUSO | February 9, 2008, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm
Msn has it own way of news one side for Obama I watch Moring Joe he voted to inpeach Bill how can he or is staff only be biased anganist Hillary. To see a cut out line of Oama takking to Chris Mattews who i like to watch, see everone for Obama and not fair and balance new. The media can not sectect a president but than try even Chris Mattews show and Truker Carlson who show is real feeling toward Hillary. I think Hillary should boycott the debat. If this was about a black person everone would be all over it. The media has to be biased not Nbc and Msnbc to let everone know that there father back Oama is that fair and ba;ance news.
Posted by: PAUL | February 9, 2008, 4:08 pm 4:08 pm
Obama a christian!!!Yea right,radical Muslims do not convert,he just wants us to believe his load of crap!I spent 16 years in service,and was in Somalia and desert Storm,Ive seen the Nutcases first hand,war is all they know!
Posted by: tyroneg | February 9, 2008, 4:08 pm 4:08 pm
daleri…..your false sense of moral superiority is the reason why christianity is being destroyed from within by wolves in sheep’s clothing……
Posted by: chris | February 9, 2008, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm
I will be much happy for america to see Muslum president.Then maybe you will see how good you lives can be.
Posted by: rashi ahmed | February 9, 2008, 4:13 pm 4:13 pm
WOULD MSNBC CALL THE “BAND OF BROTHER”, THE FIVE SONS OF ROMNEY “PIMPED” OUT BY THEIR FATHER?
THESE FIVE WERE REPORTED SO FAVORABLEY, FROM HANDSOME TO WHATEVER. THE “BAND” WAS FAR MORE “PIMPED” OUT THAN CHELSEA AS THE ROAMED EVERYWHERE AND TALKED TO EVERYBODY. YET THEY WERE THE BAND OF BROTHERS HELPING IN A GREAT CAUSE OF THEIR FATHER WHILE CHELSEA IS “pimped” out.
Even the childdred of women candidates are at risk of being trashed for nothing.
Posted by: THINK | February 9, 2008, 4:14 pm 4:14 pm
Of course Chelsea is going to support her Mother , Why wouldn’t she and for Shuster using his position in the media to bash Hillary because he is an Obambam supporter is dirty, what about these videos that is obamba girl? If obamba get elecdted president we have all had it , he is a muslim why is he trying to hide this , does he think he can fool the american people , I hope they do not fall for this.
Go Hillary , I admire Hillary and she is the most experienced canidate with the best interest of the country at heart , I believe she is sincere and believes and knows what has to be done and can step in from day #1 and do it.
she has my vote and all my family’s and frieds votes.
GO Hillary and yes chelsea is your daughter speak up this slusher is a stupid jerk and should be fired.
Posted by: laney | February 9, 2008, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm
Good is as good does. Honesty is speaking the truth, all truth.
Hillary is for suppression of the truth.
Obama is from the same cookie cutter.
Posted by: Daleri | February 9, 2008, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm
This type of comment is very reprehensible. I agree with some previous comments that if this statement was made about Caroline Kennedy or Michelle Obama, that the uproar would be huge. Mr. Shuster deserves to be fired for his vulgar comment.
What surprises me is that some Obama supporters are just so agreeable with Mr. Shuster. If this is what bringing people together is all about, those supporters are not doing justice to the lip service that Mr. Obama likes to use in his campaigns. He seems to be bringing the wrong people together. This posting venue was supposed to be speaking out on the issue of Mr. Shuster’s vulgar statement and not to be a venue for esposuing Mr. Obama.
If this is the type of people Mr. Obama is bringing together count me out. If Mr. Obama is nominated, I am going to convince my other fellow students here that Mr. McCain is a candidate with much higher integrity.
Posted by: Tara E | February 9, 2008, 4:22 pm 4:22 pm
Radical Islam is as much a represtative of Muslims as Eric Rudolph is to Christians.
Posted by: JGJ | February 9, 2008, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm
Many of the comments here are bigoted and absurd. Personal attacks against Hillary Clinton or her husband are not justified. Every Presidency has its share of scandals and misgivings; the Clinton administration oversaw relative peace and prosperity in our country and they deserve some credit even if imperfect ethically or otherwise.
Attacking Sen. Obama, for instance, alleging that he is a radical Muslim, is patently absurd. Someone with a Harvard Law degree who enters public service and attempts, to the best of his ability, to serve the interests of the common citizen in state and national legislatures, is also deserving of considerable respect and credit.
The Clintons and Obama are public servants who, though imperfect, are putting their lives on the line because they have a love and dedication to this country. It is fine to praise one candidate or the other based upon their character or policy proposals, but it is wrong to demonize any candidate or employ hateful words that attempt to smear one’s honor or name.
Let’s keep the debate reasoned and civil.
Posted by: William | February 9, 2008, 4:28 pm 4:28 pm
We’ve already had 1 Clinton blemish the white house. Wanna try again!
Posted by: Rick | February 9, 2008, 4:30 pm 4:30 pm
Whoa… is this what we’re to expect from Clinton in the future? Censoring the media when they say things she finds disagreeable?
Yeah, lady, you DID sign up for the comments when you became Senator. That’s it. This getting people fired and pressured into bowing down and begging for forgiveness is disgusting. It’s offensive.
Posted by: Korinsha | February 9, 2008, 4:30 pm 4:30 pm
Rob-is-Right do you just go everywhere and post that same message?
Posted by: JGJ | February 9, 2008, 4:31 pm 4:31 pm
God forbid a journalist enlightens us as to what Hillary is doing! Quiet! Hush! Hush! Listen only to what dictator Hillary has to say!
Posted by: Daleri | February 9, 2008, 4:33 pm 4:33 pm
Check it Out Here First! Barack Obama’s “Presidential To-Do List”!
Posted February 9, 2008.
Immediately declare war on hopelessness.
Create a Department of Hope.
Add Secretary of Hope to the cabinet.
Bring home the troops then hope Iraq doesn’t fall apart.
Push for a UN resolution declaring that the UN has hope for all mankind.
Fund research into finding a way tobuild hope into all future weapons systems.
Strengthen Anti- Have No Hope laws.
Stock the Justice Department with hopeful lawyers.
Give Federal judges wider leeway in defining hopelessness.
Encourage judges with no hope to retire.
Appoint judges with hope to the Supreme Court.
Amend the Constitution to include hope as an inalienable right of all people, including those who are here illegally.
Create the Hope Corps to spread the concept of hope to hopeless nations around the world.
Require all schools receiving federal monies to include hope in their curriculum.
Require Federal programs such as Head Start to have hope.
Require all Federal employees to have hope. Promote those with hope faster than those who are hopeless.
Establish a “Hope Tax” to help people with no hope. The more hope you have, the more hope you owe.
Give hope tax breaks to married couples who have hope.
Give hope tax breaks to businesses that create hope.
Crack down on Big Businesses with no hope.
Remove tariffs on imported hope.
Ask God to give us a source of cheap, inexhaustible, clean energy by 2016 so nobody has to get angry at each other any more and we can all just relax for once.
Identify and encourage all people who have no hope by no later than 2018.
Make all poopy stuff go away by finding a new way to digest food by 2022.
Eliminate hopelessness worldwide by 2025!!!
I don’t know about you, but I got a chill up my spine!
YES WE CAN!!! YES WE CAN!!! YES WE CAN!!!
Posted by: Pat | February 9, 2008, 4:34 pm 4:34 pm
That letter Hillary wrote is idiotic – what does she want MSNBC and David Shuster to DO? Shuster’s apologized and MSNBC’s suspended him – do Hillary and Chelsea want him fired or not? If so then speak up, if not then let this go – otherwise be prepared for backlash. Political ploys designed to garner sympathy from the ‘spinster’ base are fair game imo, and we Independents are much more savvy than the Clinton base . . .
Posted by: Sam | February 9, 2008, 4:35 pm 4:35 pm
It doesn’t matter what belief he is, it matters what can he offer to average JOE on the street.
Do you want change or you want the same former president?
Her policy won’t be much different to her husband!!.
Posted by: Elias | February 9, 2008, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm
To “THINK”
I am behind Hillary’s defense of her daughter all the way, and I want to tell you that while I did not hear anything broadcast on radio or television to imply that Mitt Romney’s sons were “pimping” for him, I read it on these type of blog responses. They were not only pimping according to some, but cultists as well. Our country needs to get over so much, and remember that we the people means all of us, whether women, blacks, Mormons… When even a presidential candidate (Huckabee) makes a statement about Mormons believing Jesus and Satan are brothers, where are we headed?
Posted by: Tracy | February 9, 2008, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm
Rob is right wing wacko is more like it. How people can dwell so much on a presidents spouse – from the last administration over 7 years ago no less, is beyond me, but smacks of mental illness.
First of all it requires one to suspend acknowledgement of all that has happened in the past 7 years in the presidents office – a pattern of despicable anti-american behaviors and criminal acts that truly warrant impeachment investigations.
But the right wing wackos will have none of that. They are obsessed in their hatred of powerful women and those who disagree with them. I weep for our once great country.
Posted by: Bob | February 9, 2008, 4:37 pm 4:37 pm
Awesome posts Chris London, Rob-is-Right, etc!!!!
Posted by: Sam | February 9, 2008, 4:38 pm 4:38 pm
MSNB is the blame for this. Their boss hates the Clintons and if they don’t agree with him, they will be fired. America knows MSNB in the morning is full of crap.
Posted by: diamonds_are_4ever | February 9, 2008, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm
the vast majority of comments here are mostly silent of Chelsea’s hurt feelings. what a pathetic people you are!
Posted by: srg | February 9, 2008, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm
Hasn’t anyone read the email exchange between the Clinton press secretary and Shuster? Given the opportunity to immediately apologize – which would have made this all a non-event – Shuster repeatedly attempted to justify his slur. THAT’s what got him suspended, not just an on-air gaffe.
Also, as Don Imus demonstrated, TV and radio personalities can’t get away with saying whatever thoughts wander across their consciousness while their mouths are open. A suspension – probably short – is better than Shuster deserves. He should have learned from the Imus experience.
Posted by: MiltinSB | February 9, 2008, 4:43 pm 4:43 pm
Hilarious! Just when the left has worked itself into frenzy over how “supposedly” unfair and bias FOX news is, along comes lefty MSNBC broadcasting hurtful verbal barbs.
The world is a pretty rude and divisive place. If you expect it to grind to halt over a nasty remark, I would recommend you avoid the U.S. Presidency.
Posted by: OneDay | February 9, 2008, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm
MSNB is full of b.s. I have to agree with a viewer that if they don’t agree with their boss, they will be terminated from their jobs. What a bunch of wimps. If Hilary wins MSNB will have their tails between their legs. Jerks!!
Posted by: officeworkinglady | February 9, 2008, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm
srg, yes, Chelsea’s feelings should be the issue. I’m sure she’s never been exposed to such terrible treatment. I doubt that her mother and father ever told her what to expect when she decided to get involved directly in politics. Poor Chelsea.
What a joke.
Politicians do not have feelings (elected or not). It’s theater, folks. Pure theater.
Posted by: Bruno | February 9, 2008, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm
FOLLOW THE MONEY TRAIL WITH AMERICA’S FOREMOST POLITICAL CRIME FAMILY
Clinton Global Initiative–>Dirty Deals: influence peddling for $$—> Clinton Wealth—> Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign.
Who will OWN the Whitehouse in another Clinton Administration.
Posted by: Christopher London | February 9, 2008, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm
When Chelsea broke her silence and began calling people she lost all of the so called protection Hillary gave her. She put her self out there for what ever she gets, she put her foot in the water now she has to swim. “Pimped out” what did she think when her parents encouraged her to shrill for them to get back in the White House!
Posted by: Carolyn Cunningham | February 9, 2008, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm
Christopher London… The question is who will own the White House regardless of the candidate that gets elected. They’re all bought and sold. How do you think they raise so much money?
So, it is BIG OIL, BIG MONEY, BIG MEDIA? Who the hell cares? BIG SOMEBODY will own the White House. This much is for sure.
Posted by: Bruno | February 9, 2008, 4:49 pm 4:49 pm
Chris Matthews should have been suspended too. Apperantly all things Clintons are fair game, but all things Obama get free passes.
It’s just not fair!!!!
Posted by: Karen | February 9, 2008, 4:50 pm 4:50 pm
srg – how do you know Chelsea’s feelings were hurt? Nobody’s so far claimed that her feelings have been hurt. I’m just a couple of years older and I could care less what some greasy two-bit news anchor thinks of me.
This infantilization of a grown woman into some victimized child for political gain by Hillary supporters is disgusting. What’s even more creepy is that you people actually believe your somehow more empathetic than the rest of us.
We all agree that the comments were in poor taste – the grown up responsible question to now be asking is what do you all want done about it. If you think Shuster ought to be fired, then at least have the guts to come out and take a stand. Otherwise, be prepared to be called out for playing the victim card for political gain . . .
Posted by: Sam | February 9, 2008, 4:50 pm 4:50 pm
During 1974 she was a member of the impeachment inquiry staff in Washington, D.C., advising the House Committee on the Judiciary during the Watergate scandal. The committee’s work culminated in the resignation of President Richard Nixon in August 1974.
Rodham maintained her interest in children’s law and family policy, publishing the scholarly articles “Children’s Policies: Abandonment and Neglect” in 1977 and “Children’s Rights: A Legal Perspective” in 1979. The latter continued her argument that legal competence of children depended upon their age and other circumstances, and that in cases of serious medical rights judicial intervention is sometimes warranted. An American Bar Association chair later said, “Her articles were important, not because they were radically new but because they helped formulate something that had been inchoate.”
Posted by: chris | February 9, 2008, 4:51 pm 4:51 pm
Rodham co-founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families, a state-level alliance with the Children’s Defense Fund, in 1977. In late 1977, President Jimmy Carter (for whom Rodham had done 1976 campaign coordination work in Indiana) appointed her to the board of directors of the Legal Services Corporation, and she served in that capacity from 1978 through the end of 1981. For much of that time she served as the chair of that board, the first woman to do so. During her time as chair, funding for the Corporation was expanded from $90 million to $300 million, and she successfully battled against President Ronald Reagan’s initial attempts to reduce the funding and change the nature of the organization.
Posted by: chris | February 9, 2008, 4:51 pm 4:51 pm
Arkansas Governor Clinton appointed her chair of the Rural Health Advisory Committee the same year, where she successfully obtained federal funds to expand medical facilities in Arkansas’ poorest areas without affecting doctors’ fees.
As First Lady of Arkansas, Hillary Clinton chaired the Arkansas Educational Standards Committee from 1982 to 1992, where she sought to bring about reform in the state’s court-sanctioned public education system. One of the most important initiatives of the entire Clinton governorship, she fought a prolonged but ultimately successful battle against the Arkansas Education Association to put mandatory teacher testing as well as state standards for curriculum and classroom size in place.
Posted by: chris | February 9, 2008, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm
The comment makes no sense..what does make sense about the Clinton’s is their pushy ways..the Clinton daughter vivited CT last week during the Primary election and was reported to the State Government for being closer than 100-feet(actually)inside the POLIING PLACE…this was in New Haven,CT..//..its a “sham” that gets pulled thru the primary..on one side of the Platform there’s the human ingenuity in progress–while on the same timeline your so corrupt you stink a mile away…Hillary speaks of healthcare but really could give TWO-snoots about a persons health..Bill Clinton speaks about being “popular” when he’s actually just a popular noise…Chelsea Clinton stands there like PETTICOAT JUNCTION–yet she’s so de-railed inside of the Clinton Train Station–that she’ll never find a suitable track to run on(except)the lies that “hang in the air”…the Clintons are the biggest SMOKE-Blowers ever.
Posted by: Mark S. M. | February 9, 2008, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm
srg – how do you know Chelsea’s feelings were hurt? Nobody’s so far claimed that her feelings have been hurt. I’m just a couple of years older and I could care less what some greasy two-bit news anchor thinks of me.
This infantilization of a grown woman into some victimized child for political gain by Hillary supporters is disgusting. What’s even more creepy is that you people actually believe your somehow more empathetic than the rest of us.
We all agree that the comments were in poor taste – the grown up responsible question to now be asking is what do you all want done about it. If you think Shuster ought to be fired, then at least have the guts to come out and take a stand. Otherwise, be prepared to be called out for playing the victim card for political gain . . .
Posted by: Sam | February 9, 2008, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm
She introduced Arkansas’ Home Instruction Program for Preschool Youth in 1985, a program that helps parents work with their children in preschool preparedness and literacy. She was named Arkansas Woman of the Year in 1983 and Arkansas Mother of the Year in 1984.
From 1987 to 1991 she chaired the American Bar Association’s Commission on Women in the Profession, which addressed gender bias in the law profession and induced the association to adopt measures to combat it.
Clinton served on the boards of the Arkansas Children’s Hospital Legal Services (1988–1992) and the Children’s Defense Fund (as chair, 1986–1992).
Posted by: chris | February 9, 2008, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm
Uh, chris? cutnpaste is not a comment. just thought you should know.
Posted by: Bruno | February 9, 2008, 4:53 pm 4:53 pm
During his bid for the Presidency, Bill Clinton said that electing him would get “two for the price of one”, referring to the prominent role his wife would assume.
She was the initial first lady to hold a post-graduate degree[116] and to have her own professional career up to the time of entering the White House. She was also the initial first lady to take up an office in the West Wing of the White House, first ladies usually staying in the East Wing. She is regarded as the most openly empowered presidential wife in American history, save for Eleanor Roosevelt.
Some critics called it inappropriate for the First Lady to play a central role in matters of public policy. Supporters pointed out that Clinton’s role in policy was no different from that of other White House advisors and that voters were well aware that she would play an active role in her husband’s Presidency. Triggered in part by the death of her father in April 1993, she publicly sought to find a synthesis of Methodist teachings, liberal religious political philosophy, and Tikkun editor Michael Lerner’s “politics of meaning” to overcome what she saw as America’s “sleeping sickness of the soul” and that would lead to a willingness “to remold society by redefining what it means to be a human being in the twentieth century, moving into a new millennium.”
Posted by: chris | February 9, 2008, 4:53 pm 4:53 pm
Most of this thread is a poor commentary on the American electorate.
Posted by: PKB | February 9, 2008, 4:53 pm 4:53 pm
Sorry Bruno, but I don’t have an SUV. I am a Navy vet though of 10 years and yeah I had to register for the draft at 18 too. That didn’t stop me from being in a lot of anti-war demonstrations – then and now. The fact remains: I was 18 once and didn’t know squat. Not much has changed for 18 yr old today.
Posted by: druggstohr | February 9, 2008, 4:53 pm 4:53 pm
There are some very ignorant people posting on here, what’s up with the racial and gender slurs? Shuster was indeed out of line, this campaign has brought out the true ugly in everyone, and I am ashamed to say I’m an American right now….
Posted by: Dinero80 | February 9, 2008, 4:55 pm 4:55 pm
hey, the Clintons are incredibly offensive people.
Posted by: fred | February 9, 2008, 4:55 pm 4:55 pm
I’m ashamed of some of you people. I would never want to have President that refuses to put his right hand on his heart and won’t recite the National Anthem. I don’t trust him. A true American would never ever do that. I voted for Hilary and I don’t give a rats fat butt if her whole family are pimps or prostitutes, which they’re not, at least they don’t snub their noses to the American Flag. Shame on you Obama the Osama. Go ahead folks attack me. Like I give a crap.
Posted by: officeworkinglady | February 9, 2008, 4:56 pm 4:56 pm
The issue is the Shuster is Correct! maybe he used an offensive expression (pimping), but the Clintons are USING their daughter. Yes, Chelsea is supporting her mother, but how can you argue that she should be an integral part of the campaign, yet she is “off limits” to reporters. can’t have it both ways. And what qualifications does she have to call and persuade super delegates except that she is Billary’s daughter.
Bottom line, they are using her to further their careers…call it pimping, call it the family business, call it what you want, but it is disgusting.
Posted by: over the Hill | February 9, 2008, 4:56 pm 4:56 pm
Give me a break! Hillary and Bill use a now very adult Chelsea when it suits them. Chelsea decided to assist and use her “politcal clout” to lobby super delegates.
It sickens me to see Hillary be able to use this to her advantage. I wish that campaign would start behaving responsibly and not use every dirty trick or tactic they think they can get away with.
Go ahead Clintons, continue to polarize the independents and democrats Hillary to further your gain. And play the underdog despite a higher delegate count and higher percentages in the two remaining biggest states! More evidence of the same old treatment.
How about sometime coming forward with the truth about where you or Bill came up with the 5 million loan! Could it be funneled from Bill’s profits from overseas boards? Hmmmmm smacks worse than all the PAC affiliations!
Time for a real change in politics. This is disgusting! Vote OBAMA!
Posted by: Diane | February 9, 2008, 4:57 pm 4:57 pm
A media reporter finally went too far, I didn’t think it would ever happen that one of the journalists would EVER get called on the carpet for their vicious and obviously biased coverage of this campaign. I’m sick and tired of reading the sick, twisted, and hateful Obama supporter remarks about how the Clintons deserve what they get no matter what. (I thought Obama was the big “uniter” and supposed to bring people together?) If this was Michelle Obama, HER daughters, or even Oprah Winfrey, these same people would be screaming not only sexism, but racism also. People need to stop and actually THINK how you would feel if this was your daughter this remark was said about. As for the so called “journalists”, you ALL need to GROW UP and start acting professional again. Like another poster said today,what kind of relationship did you have with your mother to have such a mean, nasty hatred for HIllary Clinton. You are SO obvious about your favoritism for Obama it is nauseating. Good for HIllary for being a mom first. I have a daughter Chelsea’s age, and I would be livid if this remark had been said about her. Find something WORTHWHILE to report on and maybe these smart mouthed,arrogant, tabloid rumor mongers will have something intelligent to say instead of bashing a daughter for helping her mother. No wonder our country is in such trouble, it can’t all be blamed on George W. with the type of meanspirited, hateful people that are apparently trying to divide us. Walter Cronkite, David Brinkley, and John Chancellor, we miss your CLASS and PROFESSIONALISM.
Posted by: Debbie | February 9, 2008, 4:58 pm 4:58 pm
Ok – so we know the news media is behind Obama. Now we know that they will kowtow any Democrat.
Posted by: Neo Politicus | February 9, 2008, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm
Thanks for assuming my ignorance, Chris. I never said that Hillary hadn’t accomplished anything. No, indeed she has been involved in an enormous number of programs (both before and during her tenure in the senate). This doesn’t change the fact that she is pimping her daughter, which is the whole point of this thread.
Posted by: Bruno | February 9, 2008, 5:01 pm 5:01 pm
officeworkinglady is absolutely right. Who the hell does Obama think he is not saying the National Anthem. Hey officelady I’m behind you 100%. I never trusted a non American person.
Posted by: eltoro_is_awesome | February 9, 2008, 5:01 pm 5:01 pm
I have seen the Mass Media like Fox, Msnbc and others trying to choose out President for us, tell us what to eat,drink and how to love. As a father, I find that the true prostitute is the MEDIA. They pick and choose their clients and gave the shaft to Edwards because he wouldn’t take their $$$$$$$$!
Posted by: Jim Hughes | February 9, 2008, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm
MONICA LEWINSKY IS SOMEONE’S DAUGHTER, TOO. THE CLINTON’S TRASHED HER SOMEWHAT AWFUL.
Posted by: koaNY | February 9, 2008, 5:06 pm 5:06 pm
all this does not mention the 352 bills she sponsored in the Senate
Posted by: chris | February 9, 2008, 5:07 pm 5:07 pm
Chris,
All the truth in the world will do nothing to convince these people that speeches and dreams are what they need, not actions, past behavior as proof, results to use to further change the world and yada yada yada . . . they claim that Hillary is not fit to be the leader.
I guess she has some company then.
I think she has more experience and know-how under her pinky finger nail than Obama has ‘acquired’ during his dash through the Senate, Present votes galore, on his way to the Presidency, not out of a sense of duty, but out of a sense of being owed.
Posted by: 2009 Where Are You? | February 9, 2008, 5:08 pm 5:08 pm
Hmmm….smacks of censorship to me…..America, be VERY careful for what you vote for. Hillary represents the Democrats, i.e. Communism “lite”
Posted by: Kathy | February 9, 2008, 5:08 pm 5:08 pm
rob is wrong – repetition doesn’t make your ignorant and unjustified hatred for the candidate who is in the best position to be the best President for our children, our soldiers and the future of America any more credible or relevant……
Posted by: chris | February 9, 2008, 5:09 pm 5:09 pm
koaNY I’d say you’re right on, but she saved the dress. Pimped out just like Chelsea. Neither deserves our tears.
Posted by: Bruno | February 9, 2008, 5:09 pm 5:09 pm
chelsea is being pimped by her mother’s campaign. she should next pose on the cover of playboy, then hustler, with a center spread showing her getting gangbanged by secret service men. that would be lots of fun.
Posted by: nathan | February 9, 2008, 5:10 pm 5:10 pm
What I don’t like about Sen. Clinton is that she is old politics with a lot of enemies, now she is making more. To me that seems like it will lead to more scandal as people go for blood if she gets elected. Another distraction from the real problems a President can solve.
It is the same with John McCain, old politics and being a conservative not wanting to change anything. I’m not for business as usual.
The problem with Obama is that he wants to change too much too fast. Radicals don’t win presidential elections.
Personally, I don’t like any of them.
Posted by: JGJ | February 9, 2008, 5:10 pm 5:10 pm
I see what you’re saying, rob. But like I said to Chris, this isn’t about qualifications. It’s about the ‘pimping’ comment. Both you and chris are totally going crossfire here.
Posted by: Bruno | February 9, 2008, 5:12 pm 5:12 pm
We should be aware of the conservative media strategy,that obvioully is trying to get Obama in office because they know any republican will win over him due to the fact that USA is not ready for a black president. We should not be stupid,
Posted by: LUIS | February 9, 2008, 5:13 pm 5:13 pm
would you actually care about anyone you love who will invariably be affected by who is the next President of the United States, you would seek out what each candidate has to offer and will do when in office instead of being an echo chamber of accusations and distortions dreamt up over 10 years ago by those who are decidedly anti-American in their actions….
Posted by: chris | February 9, 2008, 5:14 pm 5:14 pm
I strongly dislike the Clintons because they are corrupt. Shuster should be fired for that idiotic remark about Chelsea. He is a weenie who thinks he is the greatest and he can say anything because of who he is. Sure the Clintons are going to milk this for everything they can. That’s the way they operate but Shuster’s comment is over the top. He gives all reporters a bad rap.
Posted by: jackp | February 9, 2008, 5:15 pm 5:15 pm
Obama is offering HOPE with his slogans and rethoric let me tell you Mr. Obama We don’t need more hope. We need help.
Posted by: Henry | February 9, 2008, 5:15 pm 5:15 pm
“you cannot deny the truth”……considering you seem to be in constant battle with what is true in the first place, i consider that a compliment
Posted by: chris | February 9, 2008, 5:15 pm 5:15 pm
It’s about time that the media is held accountable for their irresponsible, unethical, and supremacist attitude. Kudos to MSNBC for taking appropriate action against Schuster. There should be a lot more suspensions going on too! So many of these reporters have turned a notable profession into a “scanless” occupation by all the dirt dishing they hurl at the Clinton campaign. They boastful spout off their self-proclaimed “expert opinion.” They have become hypocritical ruthless dogs. The audacity to accuse the Clintons of attacking people, when in reality it’s the media who incessantly attacks them is ridiculous. Does the media’s loathsome attitude toward the Clintons know no bounds?
Posted by: Patricia Mejia | February 9, 2008, 5:18 pm 5:18 pm
2009 get over yourself – who do you think you are to claim Obama supporters are brainwashed. Have you even read over Obama and Clinton’s policy positions? They’re virtually identical . . . so how does it become less sensical to support the more electable candidate with the better track record of sound judgment than the unlikeable candidate with all the skeletons in her closet?
Posted by: Sam | February 9, 2008, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm
I love your comment “Mom First”
You are righteous. Why don’t all the war voters send their snot-nosed kids to war?
Posted by: anothermom | February 9, 2008, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm
Which is actually more sexist: What married man Bill Clinton did with an intern in the oval office? or a commentator using an off-color (and arguably accurate) remark in his live broadcast banter?
Maybe Senator Clinton knows how Lewinsky’s mom felt now.
Posted by: brian | February 9, 2008, 5:21 pm 5:21 pm
The mom-first thing is hilarious. Reminds me that even if you win and argument with a woman, you’ve lost…
Posted by: Bruno | February 9, 2008, 5:22 pm 5:22 pm
As an observer, I believe that the democratic party is seriously fractured-long-suppressed issues of race, gender, class and rudderless ideology have all surfaced at once.
It seems that the Republicans offer the default choice.
Good Luck
Posted by: Mike | February 9, 2008, 5:27 pm 5:27 pm
The comment was not about Chelsea, it was about the Clintons and their “do whatever it takes to win” strategy.
Please Hillary, Gimme a Break!!
This “poor me” act is really tiring and so transparent!
Posted by: Bill B | February 9, 2008, 5:27 pm 5:27 pm
Sam,
who do you people think you are, having some sort of monopoly on intelligence and morality? Who do you people think you are, with little evidence for the chanting you chuck around like monks on holy weekend? Who do you think you people are, trying to ram this fraud down are throats, against our wills, while you won’t listen to an ounce of evidence to the contrary?
Who do you people think you are, coming out in hostility and self-righteousness, whining about MLK being disrespected, when you advance and defend any disgusting, low-life comment about Clinton that comes along? Who do you people think you are to try and brainwash the country into accepting an unknown, dishonest, corrupt, misleading, phoney politician who hides behind his media image, while stories run in HIS OWN STATE about his corrupt dealings? Who do you people think you are to try and steal a nomination process so we can get are ***** kicked in November?
Who do you people think you are fooling when you make ridiculous arguments about change when you have no evidence to prove this man even changed his own backyard, which he did not.
Who are you people to think you have the sole hope for america and any challenge should be silenced.
We are not going to let foolish, immature, unvetted, misleading, dishonest, naive, gutless, vote-skipping, pandering frauds become our nominee so they can go down in flames to a man old enough to remember when Regan was an infant. Sorry John.
Posted by: 2009 Where Are You? | February 9, 2008, 5:30 pm 5:30 pm
Mike, you’re right about the Democratic dislike for the Clintons – I find their gutter trash campaign and dysfunctional drama is extremely toxic and will vote Republican in November just to keep them from taking this country further down the gutter.
I’m not sure what Clinton supporters have against Obama, but if they feel ‘victimized’ by the MSM and feel like the way for them to ‘get back’ in the name of Hillary is to vote for McCain, so be it. Obama supporters can afford 8 to 16 more years of Republican rule if it comes to that – we’re not the ones who’ll be hurt . . .
Posted by: Sam | February 9, 2008, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm
Chelsea is an adult now. They know what they are doing with her.
Waaaahhhhh Hillary! Time for more waterworks?
Some President she’d make.
Hillary is just aiming to gain sympathy and trying to force the media to go soft on her.
Posted by: Hill is H*ll | February 9, 2008, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm
2009 – lame response. Not worth my time . . .
Posted by: Sam | February 9, 2008, 5:33 pm 5:33 pm
Bill I thought you loved me? If Obama wins, I’m divorcing you and marrying him.
Posted by: Hilary Clinton | February 9, 2008, 5:35 pm 5:35 pm
Daleri, that 50MM zombie baby army thing was a little weird. Just thought I’d check.
Posted by: Bruno | February 9, 2008, 5:36 pm 5:36 pm
People just keep showing their ignorance and their hate in this forum. If the Clintons are so corrupt, why are they still roaming the streets? If Clinton is so evil, why do over half of the American voting public feel she is the best choice for President? For those of you who are too blind to see how wrong it was of Schuster to make that comment, well please just don’t vote. You have neither the intellect or just plain good judgement to make a choice for President. If that comment would have been made to say, oh, Obama, can you just imagine the outrage. Obama is using every women he can to make points with the public and it is mostly black. Isn’t that a kind of pimping. MSNBC needs to reign it’s pundits in a lot. They have no shred of journalistic ability or judgement. I find it necessary for Hillary to stand up and fight for what is right and that isi what I want in a President. Please, don’t make general blanket statements that you try to pass of as fact, it is a waste of time. Oh yeh, the Monica thing, get your heads out of the gutter and move on. That was a huge mistake and the President and his family paid the price for it. Move on. Also, get off the Obama cult wagon, it is just creepy.
Posted by: Kris | February 9, 2008, 5:39 pm 5:39 pm
Oh, bubba! We’ve had enough Jesus in the White House don’t cha’ think?
Posted by: Bruno | February 9, 2008, 5:40 pm 5:40 pm
A “simple”, or not, point of view from a man with an admittedly feminist bent:
1: There is no reason why the US cannot have a woman as President. There are more than enough significant examples of women as effective leaders of their countries. This issue should really be a non-issue in the US.
2. Hillary is a strong, intelligent and driven woman. I daresay that between Hillary and Bill, she is actually the more intellectually gifted. Bill’s ultimate advantage has been his ease with a public “aw shucks” persona.
3. Chelsea, another intelligent grown woman in the family, should be regarded as such; and, it is certainly normal for her to be actively involved in her mother’s campaign. She’s not the first sibling to participate in a campaign and there is nothing wrong with this.
4. Despite my deeply sincere acknowledgment of this, I will not be voting for Hillary. Let me try to explain why.
The major reason for not supporting Hillary has nothing to do with gender. It is that her own repeatedly disingenuous choices and behavior has severely diminished the level of integrity that I can ascribe to her.
The single most important factor that people, universally -across ALL cultures, want to see, in anyone that they would personally consider as a leader, is honesty!
And honesty is the underpinning of integrity and the trust that comes with it. If nothing else, she has raised enough doubt for me that I can’t overlook this; and, unfortunately, of the remaining candidates -on both sides- she has the lowest level of integrity in my book.
The other candidates are not without issue; but, she is simply the one with the most degraded level of integrity.
5. Let’s get over the knee-jerk reactions, emotion-based opinion and tendency to so easily demonize. Yes, “pimping” was a low-class word to use in trying to make a point. Of course it’s going to generate a strong reaction.
But, if we try to LISTEN instead of limiting ourselves to only HEARING, it’s not hard to see that:
A: The “pimping” comment was directed squarely at Hillary and Bill and not at Chelsea. Saying that H&B were “pimping” could have been better said; as, for example, that H&B are shameless in utilizing Chelsea –not in general campaigning activity but, in the context of a highly targeted, and not for public consumption, mission.
After all, isn’t Chelsea less intimidating than either Hillary or Bill if you are a specific high-value target for their lobbying?
In some regards, it’s actually a smart move in leveraging this and any lingering image of “sweetness” or “innocence” still embedded in one’s memory of Chelsea the youngster.
However, it is also a shameless use of their daughter, as a Trojan horse, to deliver an effort that rightly rests with Hillary herself or very senior campaign staff.
So, while “pimping” was a crude word to use, the point of the comment is somewhat, if not completely, valid.
Is the point what everyone is so worked up about? No, it appears to be an emotional reaction to HEARING (or, in most cases, probably only reading) the word “pimping”.
6. Regardless everyone has the right to their own vote. A right that we would defend to the end. What does irk me though, is the amount of emotional invective -from all sides- without an explanation of why that view is held.
That behavior more commonly illuminates a sense of intolerance or, worse, outright discrimination.
Every one of us has been equipped with billions of nerve cells to form a brain. Please put them to use if you want to have a discussion instead of simply a groundless shouting match.
When you do this, I will LISTEN to your thoughts and not just simply HEAR your emotion.
Peace
Posted by: MaleFeminist | February 9, 2008, 5:41 pm 5:41 pm
Bill Clinton,
Everyone knows you are not to blame.
well, at least you are not as much to blame.
Posted by: Daleri | February 9, 2008, 5:41 pm 5:41 pm
Henry,
We need help and we always need hope. Hope can move mountains. Oh, and let me help you with you spelling: rhetoric.
Posted by: Amber | February 9, 2008, 5:42 pm 5:42 pm
I think you’re right Kris. The pimping thing was way out of line – even if it was true.
Still, that whole mom-first thing is a bunch of crap. Total theater.
Posted by: Bruno | February 9, 2008, 5:42 pm 5:42 pm
officeworkinglady who are you kidding, you amd almost all women are voting for the hillbilly for one reason, your a racist and want our leader to wear panties, which BTW billy did while
he was in office doing weird sex.
I can understand why he did it for it is a fact the rodent clinton for years has been tied into gay groups.
Pimp, someone who puts a woman on the street so the pimp can profit from it.
That is exactly what hillbilly is doing with her dike daughter.
The daughter who has never done one day of work so if she is opening her yap marketing the ole lady she also deserves to hear what others think of what she says and it is fools like you that have made almost every word illegal while the hillbilly is pandering to 30 million mexicans to vote for her so she can do the norm and reward those breaking or laws.
Posted by: JR | February 9, 2008, 5:43 pm 5:43 pm
It would make a good movie.
The Return of the Babies!
Second thought, maybe it’s not so funny.
Posted by: Daleri | February 9, 2008, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm
UGOCHUKWU, are you feeling alright? Your post shows the hallmarks of a person about to go pimping. Daleri, can you step in here? Your 50MM zombie baby army would make a good match.
Posted by: Bruno | February 9, 2008, 5:46 pm 5:46 pm
Hey Hillary. That’s nothing compared to what America says about you and your pinheaded husbund!
Posted by: Scott | February 9, 2008, 5:46 pm 5:46 pm
The problem is in 24/7 hour news broadcasting, there is tendency to be sensationalize or trying to be funny and clever. And compounding with big ego, there is no taboo for these TV talking head. I see it daily that some of these TV talking
use sexist stereotypes to criticize Hillary Clinton on all 24-hour TV channels-MSNBC-FOXNEWS-CNN-NEWS.
For Carl Bernstein on CNN, Chris Mathew, and everyone on Foxnews.
joe
Posted by: Joe | February 9, 2008, 5:46 pm 5:46 pm
Liberal v. Liberal
The democrats loved Shuster when he was bashing George Bush.
Wise up America.
Posted by: M. J. Bee | February 9, 2008, 5:48 pm 5:48 pm
CHRIS MATTHEWS IS A PIG—-NO MORE MSNBC FOR THIS DEMOCRAT—-BACK TO CNN
Posted by: captaindollar | February 9, 2008, 5:53 pm 5:53 pm
Some of you are part of a new breed of people in the United States. You do not understand the Bill of Rights. Yes the very ones that were paid for with blood from out forefathers. To free themselves from a tyrannical King George. I’m pretty darn sure that “Freedom of speech” is right there in black and white. Everyone in this damn country wants to silence anyone exercising their divine right to freedom of speech. Either it be right or wrong, left or right, up or down. It is still the person’s right to say what they please. They do not need anyones permission. Especially from any one of you who demand to censure and then demand a apology from this one and that, for exercising that right.
Maybe you do not care or value these freedoms. Maybe there are some totalitarian countries out there like North Korea, Cuba, etc would love for you to move there. They share your viewpoint to stop this freedom and others.
I’m so ashamed of some of you who wish to put limitations on our rights. That every time someone reads or hears something they don’t like. They want the person who offended with their freedom of speech to apologize and take back what they said. So what if you do not agree with this journalist’s comments. He has every right to say what he wishes. If you don’t want to hear it…DO NOT LISTEN!. That is your right also. In other words deal with it. No one will die and no one will probably remember in a year from now. In this country we are loosing our liberties at an alarming rate. Some of you are more than willing to give them up for yourself and your fellow man. You must be some utopian / communist theorist to want to do this. Do not help anyone who wishes to remove your rights from you…NO ONE.
Let the journalist deal with what they said. Do not hate or despise him or her for exercising their right. Have we become weak here in America? Yes, is the resounding answer anymore. We want life and all that goes with it wrapped up with a little pink bow. all perfect and with a warm fussy. What a whinny bunch of people we have become. Ancient Rome took this tactic and it lasted 400 years before imploding. We won’t make it two thirds there with the likes of some of you. As you believe we should give up our liberties or place rules on them.
I’m ashamed to have served this country and fought for those liberties. As some of you do your best to throw them out the door day by day. The simple fix to this overblown issue is for Chelsea to exercise her right and call the journalist an ass and forget about it.
Posted by: Ben Franklin | February 9, 2008, 5:53 pm 5:53 pm
What a gift for Hillary! Now she can play the poor victim yet again. Wow, it will be amazing to see how they exploit this one!
Poor, poor Clintons. Now I guess I have to go vote for her because the bad man said mean things about her little girl.
Posted by: eric | February 9, 2008, 5:54 pm 5:54 pm
Senator Clinton is healthy and will focus on her job as President because Bill had a heart attack and has to take it easy now and she has nothing better to do. Senator Obama has a demanding wife at her peak and two elementary age daughters and no experience just visions and ambition. His family would suffer and Michelle will be a distracting nag. McCain is 71 and wants to stay at war forever to win. His VP will take over if he is elected.
Posted by: Heil | February 9, 2008, 5:55 pm 5:55 pm
From the reader’s comments, I have to said that there are too many ugly and uncivilized American who are the supporters of Obama. Is this what the “Change” Obama has in mind?
Posted by: king | February 9, 2008, 5:56 pm 5:56 pm
Here, here! Ben Franklin speaks!
Of course, he was a pretty famous muckraker too.
Posted by: Bruno | February 9, 2008, 5:57 pm 5:57 pm
I watched that news program the comment really wasn’t that bad. This is media manipulation to get free press.
Posted by: Z | February 9, 2008, 6:01 pm 6:01 pm
True enough, freaksloan. I hate Bush and it makes me smile whenever I hear someone in BIG MEDIA call him something nasty. It’s sad that we can have the same for Hill.
Pimp My Candidate 2008!
Posted by: Bruno | February 9, 2008, 6:05 pm 6:05 pm
From the article above: “I am a mom first and a candidate second,” Clinton told reporters, per ABC News’ Eloise Harper.
Where does that place her husband?
Posted by: David | February 9, 2008, 6:09 pm 6:09 pm
People can poke fun at Hillary all they want, but Chelsea did not deserve to be degraded like that. She is 27 (?) years old and should be campaigning for her mother. The Bush twins were active in their father’s campaign.
There is a horrible double standard in the media. Different news sources are biased differently. Fox had it out for Obama, MSNBC has it out for Clinton.
If anyone had said Obama was pimping out Oprah for support you can guarantee Al Sharpton would be holding a press conference right about now…
Posted by: David | February 9, 2008, 6:10 pm 6:10 pm
Bill, we know you’ll do the pimping. Anyone remember that “dancing on the beach” photo? Who was pimping who?
Posted by: Bruno | February 9, 2008, 6:11 pm 6:11 pm
America is so biased, what a shame! All the boasting of ‘police of democracy’….is just a joke. I have been seeing male’s ego trying to thrash female’s pride, as has always been in American history.
Posted by: adam | February 9, 2008, 6:11 pm 6:11 pm
Obama’s change is a joke. he is a politician too, and not an experienced one. which make him a giant in words, but short in actions. I do not believe he can take any responsibility to make changes because he voted so many “present” on critical issues. he either has no opinion, or want to be on both sides.
Posted by: Sean | February 9, 2008, 6:11 pm 6:11 pm
David, the Bush twins (drunks like daddy) got their own fair share of bad press. Not enough the second time around in my opinion. I think anyone who tosses their kids into the ring of national politics knows exactly what they are doing. They are pimping.
Posted by: Bruno | February 9, 2008, 6:12 pm 6:12 pm
Whatever happened to free speech around here?
Hillary’s wish of no free speech is coming true! …especially when it comes to telling the truth!
No! We don’t want to hear the truth! No!
La! la! la! la! la! la! la! la! la!
How lame!
Posted by: Daleri | February 9, 2008, 6:13 pm 6:13 pm
Right, adam. Poor women. Oh, they never get their just due… Gimme a break man. This has nothing to do with gender. It’s about power pure and simple and women have been at this game just as long as men. In fact, they’re better at it because they’re smarter than we are (and cattier). Call it sexist if you want, but the guy in front is usually just the puppet to the real power behind the throne.
Posted by: Bruno | February 9, 2008, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm
Regardless of whether you support or oppose a candidate for elected office, there is no reason to use language that is debasing or insulting about them, their family, or their supporters. Yes, the Bill of Rights has provisions protecting people’s right to speak their minds. However, it is possible to convey feelings and thoughts without using debasing and derogatory language. Most parents, if confronted by a comment that states or implies that they are “pimping out” their daughter, would be upset since it rightfully follows that their daughter is being called a “prostitute,” simply for working on their parent’s behalf. To state that it is acceptable to use this kind of language in reference to a political candidate because you don’t like them, or you think they have mis-stated their positions on issues, or you don’t like a member of their family, does not make it correct, nor a matter of “free speech,” to use such debasing language. It’s time for the American public to grow up, pay attention, and decide this very important election by voting for a candidate based on their merits, not on public hysteria or knee-jerk reactions to media sound bites.
Posted by: Mike Evans | February 9, 2008, 6:18 pm 6:18 pm
Bill! That happened right after Monica! There was all this crap about whether or not you and Hill were going to get divorced. Then, there was this amazing “candid” photography of you and Hill frolicking on the beach (dancing in the most awkward and fake manner). Total pimp job.
Do a Google Image search for:
bill hillary dancing on the beach
Posted by: Bruno | February 9, 2008, 6:20 pm 6:20 pm
Why is OK for the Clintons to dish out and make negative comments about other people but the first ones to cry “foul play” when someone says something about them????
Posted by: susanna gow | February 9, 2008, 6:23 pm 6:23 pm
It is amazing to me how it is OK for everyone (including Obama) to attack Hillary all the time, but not OK for anyone to say anything criticisizing Obama. Is it because none wants to appear racial? Or is it just because gender prejudice is more acceptable?
Posted by: Mike | February 9, 2008, 6:24 pm 6:24 pm
Cowardice runs deep in the Clinton Machine. Typical Clinton, not willing to fight in unfriendly waters. Remember it was President Clinton that dodged the draft. I am of the opinion that she is not willing to answer unfriedly debate questions. Maybe she would prefer to debate in friendly territory, Havana maybe. I think that if we cow tow to Senator Clinton’s demands, we can expect a subtle “high tech lynching” by the press of another black man who tries to involve himself in our government. Sorry, I don’t see the disturbing pattern of conduct that she sees. This was fratracide (friendly fire). MSNBC may have an agenda but it ain’t on their agenda to off DNC candidates. MSNBC has a long pattern of supporting the liberal agenda with their commentators. I suspect that MSNBC will join the choir when it comes to ambushing the GOP candidate in the run up to November. This is more like a family feud or democrat mafia feud than any real substantive issue. What happened to the independence of the media. Jon
Posted by: BlackwaterJon | February 9, 2008, 6:26 pm 6:26 pm
Mike and Susanna… SHHH!
Don’t you know that Obama is black?
All the Islamist stuff is crap, but it’s pretty clear he is getting a free ride because he’s black. If any other candidate were so unqualified, people would skewer them. Anyone remember John Edwards in 2004?
Posted by: Bruno | February 9, 2008, 6:29 pm 6:29 pm
These Clintons are a Joke! They do endless spins, cry a lot, hide a lot and want everything their way. Grow up Hillary. Don’t cry like a baby. She cannot be nominated if all she does is cry, complain and nag all the time… Poor Hillary…what a show…she is cold and mean hearted and corrupt to the core. More than 60% of this nation hates her. How can anyone vote for her, unless so dumb not to see that she cannot achieve anything? Tell me one single achievement in her cooked up 35 years of experience? She will just sit there and divide and divide this country more. Not at all good for the growth of Democratic party.
Posted by: Nancy | February 9, 2008, 6:30 pm 6:30 pm
I seriously hate the Clintons at this point and their double-standards
Posted by: h8ter | February 9, 2008, 6:30 pm 6:30 pm
Kudos 2009. I was just ignoring it.
Posted by: Bruno | February 9, 2008, 6:31 pm 6:31 pm
Aren’t these statements by Hillary the embodiment of Schuster’s comments – foul language aside? They sure feel free to use this situation to Chelsea for their selfish purposes. I really thought the Clintons had a deeper play book. Folks, why do women believe Hillary is just like them? She is where she is because of Bill. And Chelsea grew up in Gov mansion and White House, it’s not like Hillary was up at Dawn making pancakes and taking Chelsea to the bus. The infidelity thing is kind of like Bill is the Man of the Country and Hillary was the Woman of the Country and women think she deserves half? I don’t get it one bit.
Posted by: Willy The Pimp? | February 9, 2008, 6:37 pm 6:37 pm
If you can’t bare the truth…
Don’t make the truth so bad!!!
The best way not to get caught in bad deeds is not to do them in the first place.
You want to support lowlifes like Hillary but don’t want to hear about your responsibility for doing such a thing!
Supporting Hillary is so bad that I get edited if I explain the ramifications of supporting such an awful regime.
Posted by: Daleri | February 9, 2008, 6:40 pm 6:40 pm
I’ll tell you what is really offensive.
Having pre-teen daughters and, thanks to Hillary’s husband, having to have THAT talk several years before they should have been asking THOSE questions.
Of course, the Clintons never apologized to the American people for that.
David Shuster made a mistake, a rather large one.
But he is also normally a good and careful reporter and a much classier human being than either of the Dogpatch pair.
If Shuster had said it was Bill, the race coder, who had “auto-pimped” his own legacy, he would have been on much firmer ground.
If MSNBC now hosts a debate, I am sure they will fall all over themselves with softball questions for Hillary.
In the public interest, I think the channel should give up the opportunity to host a debate until all sides cool down.
Posted by: Martin Edwin "Mick" Andersen | February 9, 2008, 6:42 pm 6:42 pm
If she doesnt’t understand what “pimp out” means then she doesn’t deserve the votes of people 18-35 years old.
Posted by: moba10 | February 9, 2008, 6:42 pm 6:42 pm
…and BTW,
Mike Huckabee for President!
Posted by: Daleri | February 9, 2008, 6:43 pm 6:43 pm
Martha Ann Roots-Woods
David Shuster said it right but that doesn’t help his resulting situation or aftermath. And maybe he should have used a better choice of words but it would not have had the same important impact as it had. Chelsea is playing a significant part in the presidential election and should not be looked upon as a child. She is a full-grown adult in a full-grown adult world impacting millions of minds of the American people and should not be viewed as anything but a powerful force in the decision making in Senator Clinton’s race for the most important office in the World. If Hilary is having her daughter place phone calls to Democratic Party superdelegates putting her young appealing physical body, and smiles and popularity forward to appeal to the superdelegates, Senator Clinton should have enough anticipation as a president candidate to see that there would be some consequences for these actions. As I listen to the reporters and commentators on the television news channels, I am very grateful for their services and have learned that Senator Clinton was naive about supporting going to war and again she is naive about putting her daughter in a position of smooth talking sweet smiles and maybe some compromising, negotiation, or finding the middle ground to the superdelegates and Senator Clinton, I hope Chelsea Clinton and Hillary’s husband, past President William Clinton, get back and allow Senator Clinton to stand or fall on her on doing. The Clinton’s occupied the Whitehouse and misused it. I am so tired of the Clinton’s and their sickening bad-taste tactics. I will never throw my special-privileged vote for a republican. On the other hand I will just sit this one out before I help put another Clinton or Bush in office. I am appalled by the action of Senator Clinton to use the warm embracement that the people of the United States has given to her family to gain political grounds. With this said, Senator Barack Obama is the man. I have voted to put a president into office since I was 18 years of age and I am now 48 years of age. I have never missed an opportunity to use my vote in selecting a president into office, and I can truly say that I have never studied a potential president as thoroughly as I have studied Senator Obama and I select him.
Posted by: Martha Ann | February 9, 2008, 6:47 pm 6:47 pm
So how come nobody suggested that Kate Edwards was “pimping” for her father, or John Mark, David, and Sarah Huckabee are pimping for their father, or Maila and Natasha Obama are “pimping” for their father. Give me a break. This was simply an inexcusable insult and indicative of the manner in which the so called objective American Press is handling itself in regards to Hillary Clinton. Get off the Clinton case. Are you all looney tunes — the Clintons have done a remarkable job raising an intelligent and capable young woman who makes even Caroline Kennedy look like a one dimensional paper doll, and Bill Clinton left the country in peace and in prosperity and well respected around the world. As for Hillary Clinton — she is going to be a Great President Folks so best that the American media and the rest of you Clinton bashers get used to speaking respectfully instead of speaking and acting like a bunch of sexists.
Posted by: Cybermom75 | February 9, 2008, 6:53 pm 6:53 pm
A very poor choice of slang to describe Hillary’s use of Chelsea, but that’s what they all do. Bring the family forward to show you are genuine (except perhaps Bill Clinton’s half-brother; keep that guy in the attic!). Ok, that was a low blow. Sorry. But we’ve even seen McCain’s mom, I presume to show that if his mom’s alive, he can’t be that old. They all do it.
Posted by: LongT | February 9, 2008, 6:55 pm 6:55 pm
How in the hell does this story warrant a “gate”? Is this even remotely important as Watergate? This is just another shocking instance of a media that has utterly lost its perspective. You guys had a one time victory against corruptions, and stood your ground against a president. And now, almost 40 years later the same news organizations devalue that one time achievement by turning every worthless story into a gate equivalent. Shame on you ABC, and don’t later act surprised when in 20 years your medium has kicked the bucket.
Posted by: StinkyPete | February 9, 2008, 6:57 pm 6:57 pm
This is about infant hating Hillary! (and Obama)
Mike Huckabee for President!
Allan Keyes for President!
Anyone but Hillary!
Posted by: Daleri | February 9, 2008, 7:00 pm 7:00 pm
There was nothing about gender or sex in the comment. Nothing.
Do we want anyone punishing people over a word-choice?
Chelsea Clinton is 27 years old, a child? Older than her dad’s girlfriends…
Let’s just step away from the Kool Aid…
Posted by: CC | February 9, 2008, 7:02 pm 7:02 pm
Posted by: Cybermom75 | Feb 9, 2008 6:53:03 PM
ANSWER -
Because they were not calling CELEBRITIES and SUPER-DELEGATES to get a parent elected. They were just put in front of the American public – showing family unity. Are Whoopi and Joy’s phone numbers listed anyway?
Posted by: moba10 | February 9, 2008, 7:02 pm 7:02 pm
I was shocked to see David Shuster did not make Keith Olbermann’s Worst Person in the World list on Friday.
It would have sounded something like this:
“And, just when you think sexist, sexual and demeaning throw away comments were a thing of the past, and that a modern, well educated woman could not be demeaned into a sexual possession, think again! David Shuster of MSNBC managed to drag Chelsea Clinton, America’s Sweetheart, into the lurid world of female exploitation with this prejudicial language that, in fact demeans the whole process.
Consider if he had made the same comment about Michelle Obama, or the Obama girls….he would have been fired. But instead, he makes a lame, half-arsed “apology” and MSNBC proves once again that its unprofessional anchors can get away with their unfair and unbalanced coverage of Hillary Clinton. Clearly sexism is still in, even a part of America’s slang, but racism is still taboo.
David Shuster…..today’s worrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrsssssssssssstttttttttttttttt person in the world!
Posted by: gracie2008 | February 9, 2008, 7:03 pm 7:03 pm
Condoleezza Rice for President!
Posted by: Daleri | February 9, 2008, 7:11 pm 7:11 pm
You have got to be kidding… the Billary machine strikes again.
Posted by: mxj | February 9, 2008, 7:16 pm 7:16 pm
There is another machine in this world that uses similar tactics to shut down the freedom of the press. Don’t be surprised if you elect Clinton and we get Putin style oppression of speech and press. Clinton’s legacy goes back to to Stalin not Kennedy. Gee, I thought we learned our lessons about communism during the Cold War. I don’t want to witness the fall and rise of communism in my lifetime. Hillary Clinton has declared D-Day on your wallet to fund her hillary care and her ever expanding left wing agenda should galvanize the GOP behind McCain. Conservatives say that it might be better to sit this one out than elect a rino like John McCain. I beg to differ. Four years of the Clinton Machine knocking off the media and abridging our freedoms will be the equivalent of a high tech lynching for every conservative. Don’t be suprised if you elect the gun grabbers again and you show up on a watch list, are shipped off to a soviet style salt mine, or shot in gulag and lose your right to vote. Hillary is doom for conservatism. Expose the fraud of Hillary now before it is too late. Jon
Posted by: BlackwaterJon | February 9, 2008, 7:30 pm 7:30 pm
I would say that I love Condoleezza Rice but it might be taken the wrong way and I don’t want to get in trouble.
Condoleezza Rice for President!
There, that’s not sexist and it’s not racist!
Posted by: Daleri | February 9, 2008, 7:33 pm 7:33 pm
I know, I know,
Mike Huckabee for President!
Posted by: Daleri | February 9, 2008, 7:35 pm 7:35 pm
Hey Rob is Right or is that wrong.Your so ignorant that if you have any kids that lived,especially a daughter she is probably is getting some of that MISSISSIPPI Black Snake.Your just to busy writing bull that you haven’t noticed.
Posted by: Richard Zuba | February 9, 2008, 7:40 pm 7:40 pm
If anyone owes anybody an apology it’s Hillary. Chelsea did not try to persuade the “Super Delegates” of her own accord. This was a calculated effort by the Clinton’s. Either Hillary, Bill, or in my view both of them had Chelsea contact the “Super Delegates”, which in my opinion should not even exist.
Obama wouldn’t do this because he’s a lot “Wiser”. Once again the experience question has come into light, and has been answered by none other than Hillary herself. She has a lot of experience but it’s still just a lot experience making “Bad Decisions.” OBAMA ’08!
Posted by: Ken | February 9, 2008, 7:43 pm 7:43 pm
I have always watched ABC Nightly news, but not anymore!
Posted by: Rich | February 9, 2008, 7:44 pm 7:44 pm
I hate Hillary but I gotta say that comment was really stupid and yes offensive.
Posted by: Dennis | February 9, 2008, 8:04 pm 8:04 pm
daleri, lets just get this straight, there is a huge difference between infant and embryo. so cool the ‘american infant killers’ or whatever term it is. keep the gov’t out of the women’s bodies please.
now, as for the pimped out terminology, get with it folks, it was a distasteful choice of words, but i asked my 14 year old about it and she said everyone uses that term about everything at school.just like the other slang that evolved over the years, so, it is just something we have to get over, it was not meant in a vicious way – or lets go ahead and give him the benefit after he apologized/ this dialougue i am reading is insane. how disrespectful worse than what shuster said. you guys robisright and billclinton are sickening to listen to. lets change the tone.
Posted by: lori | February 9, 2008, 8:06 pm 8:06 pm
It is easier to change the channel than the tone. Jon
Posted by: BlackwaterJon | February 9, 2008, 8:08 pm 8:08 pm
Politics aside, I don’t blame her for sticking up for her child. Any loving parent would stand up for their child if such a nasty remark was made.
Posted by: KCLUV8 | February 9, 2008, 8:14 pm 8:14 pm
WHY ARE THE CLINTONS GETTING THEIR PANTIES IN A KNOT? WHAT THE BIG DEAL; THEY SEND THEIR DAUGHTER OUT TO HUSTLE VOTES FOR THEM, SO WHAT DO THEY EXPECT
Posted by: Randle Bate | February 9, 2008, 8:17 pm 8:17 pm
I have read very few comments from Obama supporters who actually sound reasonable. A couple have sounded genuinely concerned about the divisiveness and negativity, but most sound either immature or hateful. Like I have said before, no wonder our country has so many problems with so many angry, close-minded people who don’t see anything wrong with the “pimp” remark. The values and morals in this country have definitely taken a plunge! Shuster knew good and well what he wanted to imply, so get off the “new word meaning” thing. Obama fans sure had a problem with the fairy tale remark though didn’t they – but those same people think Clinton supporters are being oversensitive when hearing their daughter accused of PIMPING! Geez, grow some synapses between those brain cells will you!!! Those of us with functioning brains see right through the double standards. I wonder how Chris Matthews and David Shuster would like someone saying the same thing about their daughter?
Posted by: Debbie | February 9, 2008, 8:18 pm 8:18 pm
chris matthews enjoys the controversy and that is what he is paid big bucks to instigate. fired? change the channel and dont watch him. as for your comment jon, i enjoy putting my 10cents out there and i understand some folks enjoy stirring the pot, it is still better for me to voice my opinion. you dont have to change the tone, but i am telling you guys you sound really ugly sometimes–better to use your brain and try to get your point across or folks will think you dont have one.
–chelsea clinton is not a ‘young girl’ or a ‘child’
she is plenty able to handle what is dished out and better get used to it if hillary makes it to november–yikes–
Posted by: lori | February 9, 2008, 8:19 pm 8:19 pm
debbie you must not have teenagers, sometimes you gotta pick your battles, and i am telling you, the apology should have been enough and time to move on for hillary and chelsea and bill
and randle i dont think deserved that chemain, unless you know something other than what he wrote. he was basically saying you gotta be tough if you are going to put yourself and your family out there.
Posted by: lori | February 9, 2008, 8:29 pm 8:29 pm
Debbie, I am neither a Clintonite nor an Obama fan but I am sure that no one ever meant that HILLARY actually pimped her daughter and if you understood it that way, you missed the whole point.
Posted by: Daleri | February 9, 2008, 8:31 pm 8:31 pm
obviously robisright is envious of billclinton. well you guys arent putting any substance out there to respond to so dont expect any from me-just for the record
Posted by: lori | February 9, 2008, 8:35 pm 8:35 pm
No thing wrong with David Shuster at all.
Posted by: brightofeyes | February 9, 2008, 8:36 pm 8:36 pm
I’d like to take a moment to say,
“Do the right thing!”
Vote for Mike Huckabee!
Posted by: Daleri | February 9, 2008, 8:42 pm 8:42 pm
The sleazy comment made about Hillary Clinton’s daughter is disgusting. Does David Shuster also think that Obama is pimping Oprah? Apology not accepted by this viewer.
Posted by: MURRAY | February 9, 2008, 8:46 pm 8:46 pm
What is happening here is simple – Hillary wants to use this ‘incident’ to her advantage over how women are ‘looked down upon’ giving her the ultimate that she can whip men back to senses. (Remember those crocodile tears in New Hampshire?) Look people. Things are said and done all the time, sometimes even worse than the comment itself. Shuster needs a mouthwash but we, the people, have to move on and keep our focus on our lives in question. Chelsea is already ‘set up’ with her advantage as a former first daughter. We, the people, are nowhere near that pedestal and wont be if we let such whining rule our sensibility.
Posted by: trups | February 9, 2008, 8:49 pm 8:49 pm
Let’s be truthful. The comment was made about Hillary and what she did with her daughter.
Posted by: Daleri | February 9, 2008, 8:49 pm 8:49 pm
Let’s be truthful. The comment was made about Hillary and what she did with her daughter.
Posted by: Daleri | February 9, 2008, 8:51 pm 8:51 pm
Personally, I believe Shuster could have used a better choice of words, perhaps pandering would have been more appropriate, and still have instilled the same meaning. On the other hand, I believe Hillary is simply being too sensitive considering ‘pimp’ is a commonly used word with youth today. There are TV shows that use that word. “Pimp My Ride”. If anyone should have taken offense, it should have been Chelsea. Doesn’t that girl have a mind of her own and able to speak for herself, my word, I don’t know of any women who are 27 years old willing to stand by and take abusive ridcule. Let’s hear what she has to say and move on.
Posted by: GC | February 9, 2008, 8:54 pm 8:54 pm
Condoleezza Rice for President!
: )
Posted by: Daleri | February 9, 2008, 8:54 pm 8:54 pm
Republicans want to run against Obama, because they will eat him alive.
McCain will squash Obama on the question of experience, Security and Foreign policy skills.
¡¡ DEMOCRATS: NO MORE DEFEATS !!
Hillary can beat McCain easily.
- SHE has charisma and she has the credentials.
- Hillary served on the Senate Armed Services Committee.
- She also has much better experience on Healthcare and Economy.
The 2004 election was determined by two key groups – women concerned about security and Latinos.
These are two groups that enthusiastically support Hillary.
DEMOCRATS: WITH HILLARY, WE CAN WIN !!
Posted by: Edwards supporter | February 9, 2008, 9:06 pm 9:06 pm
All those who think Hillary is banging the drum slowly because she is defending her daughter are delusional: she is trying to dull the spotlight that will be shining on Obama if he does well in the weekend elections. She isn’t predicted to do well, so this tempest in a teapot becomes her ploy to stay ‘positive’ in the headlines.
It is the Clinton strategy: she is behind in a race–cry; she doesn’t do well in a debate — play the gender card; she loses a handful of primaries, manufacture a scandal.
The comments may have been offensive but they certainly do not deserve the level of attention that Hillary is trying to achieve.
All of you who think she is a saint for taking this stance take a deep breath and realize that she is a political animal and everything — even dragging her daughter into the mix — if it helps her win. This weekend she needed a ploy to garner much needed free attention and dull Obama’s victories. She got one.
Anyone want to bet something else will come up in the next batch of primaries / caucases if she isn’t expected to win?
Posted by: Deb | February 9, 2008, 9:08 pm 9:08 pm
gc: well said, great job!
Posted by: lori | February 9, 2008, 9:08 pm 9:08 pm
okay…in the demanding, high-paying job of HEDGE FUND MANAGERS … “pimped out” shouldn’t hurt your feelings
Posted by: Hey | February 9, 2008, 9:14 pm 9:14 pm
Deb.
I was about the type the same thing. This is just too coincidental a timing to not be part of a manufactured effort. No, I’m not saying Hillary wanted the comment to be said but I do think she saw this an a huge opportunity to get free publicity. And this weekend, it appears she needs its because Obama appears to be winning big in most of the contests.
Its from her back of dirty political tricks.
Also, I agree with those of you who are wondering why Chelsea isn’t speaking out on her own behalf. Talk about cheapening the value of a woman: this 28 year old woman needs her Mom to speak out in defense of her. Bad form.
Posted by: kira | February 9, 2008, 9:18 pm 9:18 pm
Hillary is known for doing that sort of thing. She will to anything to gain total control and supremacy at the expense of true democracy and free speech.
She will also go to great lengths to cover up things she doesn’t want people to know.
Posted by: Daleri | February 9, 2008, 9:30 pm 9:30 pm
i am for obama now that edwards is out
however: hearing comments from robisright and billclinton makes me remember how great it would be to get a woman in charge of this country
not a man thinking with cigars ugh
edwardsupporter i hope you are right that hillary could be mccain. i am worried.
Posted by: lori | February 9, 2008, 9:30 pm 9:30 pm
MSNBC has been completely unfair and one-sided reporting against Hillary. It has been quite disgusting. What David Shuster said was no accident! All of them, Chris Mathews, Tim Russert and Keith O., have been quite hostile toward Hillary campaign. This is not real journalism. The media should not become a tool to campaign for one candidate (in this case, for Obama), while keep trashing the other candidate (in this case, Hillary; now her daughter). After Florida voted for Hillary (she did not even campaign here, but Obama ran ads in CNN and still lost), these MSNBC reporters looked so disappointed and Keith O. kept asking what she was celebrating? I guess that more than 1.6 millon people voted in Florida pimary and Hillary won did not mean anything to Keith O. and the those MSNBC reporters; yet they portray themselves as the ones who care about democrocy in this country. I still do not understand why it bothers MSNBC so much if we have a woman President! If MSNBC has solid evidence to show that Hillary is not qualified to be the President, I want to hear it. But all reading and listening so much from all different sources, all I have been getting are doubts on Obama, not on Hillary. And I cannot believe some of the comments posted here. Where are the common decency and respect for women in this country? Has Obama brain washed his supporters so much that they consider treating women in public in such a way like David Shuster is acceptable??? And you are telling me that Obama will be the uniter for this country? Only idiots will believe it!!!
Posted by: JJ | February 9, 2008, 9:51 pm 9:51 pm
So what if Hillary lost? Does it mean she should be humiliated like this? Did your mother bring you up in this way to treat women? What kind of education have you had???
Posted by: JJ | February 9, 2008, 10:00 pm 10:00 pm
What comes around goes around. Clintons play dirty, let them deal with a low blow comment………..
Posted by: Todd | February 9, 2008, 10:03 pm 10:03 pm
Billary is throwing a political temper tantrum. Sure it was bad taste, but come on. I don’t think he was really calling the 27 year old little darling a whore in the literal sence. This business is for the tough skinned. take it or let someone else run.
Posted by: ohhenery | February 9, 2008, 10:05 pm 10:05 pm
msnbc….misoginy boys club. nuff said. go hillary & chelsea!
Posted by: dem | February 9, 2008, 10:06 pm 10:06 pm
Then howcome any comments can be considered racists in this campaign? If all Obama’s supporters are behaving like this, this country will go down hill even much much more for sure.
Posted by: JJ | February 9, 2008, 10:11 pm 10:11 pm
The Clintons are as corrupt as can be. What’s more disheartening and hard to fathom, is the sheer number of gullible, entitlement minded supporters there are for them. Especially when the Clintons criminal history is still relatively fresh. I fear for the future of our country, when so many potential voters are more enamoured with gender politics and pop culture than the more important issue of character and adherance to the Constitution. The Clintons are not only power-mad, but they also promise a Socialist/Marxist style of government. Something their supporters either ignore, or actually support. The ignorance and rejection of the greatness of America by the Democrat electorate is stunning and sad. The ominous, looming danger of a Clinton or even an Obama Presidency is horrifying.
Posted by: Julie | February 9, 2008, 10:22 pm 10:22 pm
I think referring to Chelsea as being pimped out is as inappropriate and unprofessional as the reporter who called the Predident a monkey. It simply demonstrates how unprofessional the news organizations have become. I also think she was right to defend the dignity of her daughter as a response to a reporter’s question.
However, what is disturbing is that I think Senator Clinton and possibly President of the United States crossed the line by sending a letter complaining to the head of NBC news about the incident which is an act of intimadation and threatens the free speech of the news organizations. I’m disappointed the news groups didn’t have the guts to defend their free speech rights.
Posted by: John | February 9, 2008, 10:26 pm 10:26 pm
After being an Obama suporter, I have decided to support Clinton.
I do not like the connections that Obama has some muslems and arabs, I am afraid, it makes unconfortable.
Posted by: Peter | February 9, 2008, 10:27 pm 10:27 pm
Listen to yourselves. It was a Clinton ploy. So in that case I will assume you are admitting the Obama camp helped stir the pot in SC ? Bigotry comes in many forms.
Posted by: zero credibility | February 9, 2008, 10:29 pm 10:29 pm
I am younger than you think. So your statement about not understanding younger generation will not fly. This is reality.
Posted by: Humm | February 9, 2008, 10:40 pm 10:40 pm
Shuster should have been fired for making the comment. That would have been an approiate message that this kind of conduct is not acceptable.
Posted by: BTL musings | February 9, 2008, 10:54 pm 10:54 pm
It’s so sad that the media is the one dictating the outcome of this election. It’s pretty obvious they want a McCain vs. Obama outcome and the people were too dumb following them. it’s not only the Clinton who were suffering. Same with John Edwards and Ron Paul.
Posted by: Joshua | February 9, 2008, 11:01 pm 11:01 pm
Peter
Nice try. LOL We can tell the people who think the rest of the country is stupid. A little advice – when you make a statement that has been proven wrong months age, you have a agenda and you are ignored out of hand.
Posted by: moba10 | February 9, 2008, 11:04 pm 11:04 pm
The last big media scandall where an on air personality was punished for showing a hatefull mind, ended up making money in the law suit that followed. I read this fellows appology; it shows that he does not know anymore about being a reporter than he does about appologizing.
Posted by: vissionquest | February 9, 2008, 11:04 pm 11:04 pm
I think Schuster should only have been fired if MSNBC thought his commentary was not up to their journalistic standards. If MSNBC’s journalistic standards are not high enough for you as the viewer, then watch another channel. However, once Senator Clinton sent that letter to the head of MSNBC, I think MSNBC should keep him on the show as a stance for their free speech rights.
Posted by: John | February 9, 2008, 11:05 pm 11:05 pm
It’s so sad that the media is the one dictating the outcome of this election (especially the punk arse admins at ABC). It’s pretty obvious they want a McCain vs. Obama outcome and the people were too dumb following them. it’s not only the Clinton who were suffering. Same with John Edwards and Ron Paul.
Posted by: Billy | February 9, 2008, 11:15 pm 11:15 pm
It is about time that reporters REPORT and commentators COMMENT. This reporter’s personal comment is professionally unacceptable. I would have thought he would have learned how to write and tell “objective” news stories way back when he was writing for his high school newspaper.
Posted by: Jace | February 9, 2008, 11:24 pm 11:24 pm
Attention Super Delegates! The American people have spoken, we dont want 20 years of Bushs and Clintons in Office!Its time for you to Commit to who the majority of the American people want in Office, and his name is Obama!
Posted by: Demo Rules | February 9, 2008, 11:28 pm 11:28 pm
Lori and Daleri,
Obviously most of us know Shuster didn’t mean that literally, but it was a nasty, snide, and intentional remark he made because he, like most of the media, doesn’t like the Clintons and he wanted to get a shot in. The press has been cut way too much slack by their powers that be and it is simply getting out of hand. Having raised 3 kids through the TEEN and COLLEGE years, I am well aware of picking battles, and have experienced many crisis that make me very empathetic to how Mrs. Clinton felt when she heard this remark. This one she probably just couldn’t let go, nor would I. People who support her are not stupid and uneducated, no matter how hard the press tries to report it that way. If you had a daughter who was the victim of sexual harassment as a child as I did, maybe you would feel differently about such remarks. So yes, I do feel this was a battle worth fighting for Mrs. Clinton. At least those of us who support Mrs. Clinton won’t be to blame if a totally unprepared candidate is actually elected because of how the media pushed a totally unprepared and unqualified candidate down so many throats.
Posted by: Debbie | February 9, 2008, 11:49 pm 11:49 pm
And I thought I was the only one who has
noticed the obvious “ripping” of the
Clintons by reporters at MSNBC,I’ve just
watching their shows.To tell you the truth the media in general has given the Obama campaign a “pass”. We are living with the train wreck that is now in Washington,due to the media failing to ask the hard questions.He,like Obama,is still using training wheels.Help me to understand why a patient needed brain
surgery,would choose an intern.To tell
you the truth,why don’t our fortune 500
companies hire their CEO after three years of experience.Since we are talking
about tenure,where was the candiate,when
the Iraq authorization bill was signed.
Hint,he was not in the US senate,so he
was not privy to Bush’s hyped report.Kerry,2004,his vp Edwards also
voted FOR.Now once again,where was he?
Sorry forgot that the media needs a story,so why rip this guy,they will leave that to the Republicans,who if you
notice have pressed the mute button.Tell
me if you been in the public eye for 35
years and over 60 million dollars spent
investiagting accusations,tell me where
is the (new) news story.Oh,almost forgot
how can a liberal left wing or a right
wing conservative unite?In 2000 did not
this President also used some catchy
slogans,unite/not divide,compassionate
conservative,and look at us now.If you
enjoy inspirational speaking attend a
black church on Sunday and in most cases
it is both style and substance.We cannot
afford to be “prostituted” again.
Posted by: Windy | February 10, 2008, 12:05 am 12:05 am
It is no surprise that the people who brought you litmus tests for judges want bring you litmus tests for journalists. I smell a rat.
While Hillary may dig deep into our wallet to bring us health care, there will be other costs for electing her. The end of liberty is available at a ballot box near you. Political correctness is a disease that she is spreading to political pundits. Save the Republic. Anything but Hillary 08. Jon
Posted by: BlackwaterJon | February 10, 2008, 12:07 am 12:07 am
Hillary Clinton will make high-tech lynching (reference Clarence Thomas Hearings) a part of Americana that we are expected to accept as an unavoidable ends to the means (or whatever Marx said).
I echo the man who said this:
Give me Liberty or Give me Death–Patrick Henry
Regards,
Jon
Posted by: BlackwaterJon | February 10, 2008, 12:11 am 12:11 am
Windy:
“Help me to understand why a patient needed brain surgery,would choose an intern.”
…but a patient also wouldn’t chose a brain surgeon’s wife instead, would he?
Posted by: torero | February 10, 2008, 12:13 am 12:13 am
It’s funny how many think the media are so anti-Clinton. I find that amusing when the big story at ABC is the racial split in Louisiana. The headlines are always claiming that Obama’s not getting white support, conveniently ignoring the fact that Obama has been winning in most of the whitest states. If there is some big bad racial divide, clearly it is in the South only, and it speaks to the southern mindset. Obama most definitely is not only appealing to black voters as the Clintons have claimed, and the media continue to claim.
I do think Shuster’s comment was wildly inappropriate, though. I fail to see how this is a pattern at MSNBC. I heard Chris Matthews make the other comment. He was talking about how even conservatives, who so loved to hate her at that time, openly acknowledged her handling of Bill’s affair with such dignity and such grace. It is a FACT that public sentiment toward Hillary by people of all political stripes went up a great deal over how she handled it.
Matthews never said she only got the Senate seat that way. He didn’t even almost say that.
Posted by: Jill | February 10, 2008, 12:15 am 12:15 am
Glass houses anyone?
Hillary throwing stones?
Posted by: Daleri | February 10, 2008, 12:17 am 12:17 am
I agree with Phillip Henry. MSNBC, Ann
Coulter,the the fat one (Rush), the
neo-cons are all irrelevant. (
Posted by: George | February 10, 2008, 12:31 am 12:31 am
David shuster should be fired and barred from working for the media in the future. His comments show how arrogant the media people have become and the power they have acquired. Chris Matthews should be fired too. They are clearly displaying their personal hatred with no objectivity. I am not a Hillary supporter. But for her vote on the Iraq war, She is definitely a great fighter of ordinary people’s causes and a real decent person.
Posted by: kanank | February 10, 2008, 1:09 am 1:09 am
I’m getting very-very tired of media personalities trying to make themselves more famous by saying something that is totaly inappropriate. Robert Novak really lowered the bar for these people. Freedom of the press doesn’t mean freedom to slander or break the law.
Posted by: Jeff | February 10, 2008, 1:22 am 1:22 am
One thing is for sure. Clinton supporters will never vote for Barack Obama in the general election.
Posted by: tom | February 10, 2008, 1:25 am 1:25 am
Hillary is real piece of work, I’ll tell ‘ya.
So’s Obama.
Posted by: Yupdatsme | February 10, 2008, 1:25 am 1:25 am
I look at this whole discussion and I’m taken aback that the majority of you lack any essence of commonsense. I see more of you getting away from the real message here to hawk your political thoughts and your ideas about race, sex, he said she said, etc. This issue at its root has nothing to do about politics. It is about the freedom to say what is on your mind. Good, bad or indifferent.
Some of you want to take away that journalist’s rights, in turn you only harm yourselves. I didn’t say It was smart for him to say what he said. I say that he has the right to say what he pleases. Only he has to atone for it.
It is none of our business.
Posted by: Ben Franklin | February 10, 2008, 1:25 am 1:25 am
The analogy that the reporter made may have been blunt and unpleasant but it was also apt.
It is also true, as another journalist observed, that Bill Clinton’s efforts to support his wife’s political career are motivated by his desire to get out of the doghouse for his involvement with Monica Lewinsky.
What is offensive is the notion of presidential dynasties. We have Bush father-and-son followed by Clinton husband-and-wife (albeit not back-to-back). That really gives us the moral high ground over North Korea, doesn’t it?
Posted by: veritas | February 10, 2008, 1:55 am 1:55 am
“This issue at its root has nothing to do about politics. It is about the freedom to say what is on your mind. Good, bad or indifferent.
Some of you want to take away that journalist’s rights, in turn you only harm yourselves.”
With freedom comes SOME responsibilities. The right of Freedom of the press, or the 1st amendment, are not Carte Blanche as some seem to think.
under freedom of the press, unfortunately, we have seen a whole new sub-culture, like some 3 letter networks and others, seem to think they can say whatever they please, even if bald face lies!
The comment about Chelsea and her mother defies common sense as much as others remarks about the Conn. Women’s Basketball Team do not belong in the media.
That Chelsea chooses to support her mother, without getting into the political side of her personal feelings on matters, is Chelsea’s decision. She is a grown woman, and she is damn smart one as well.
Posted by: PHVT | February 10, 2008, 1:56 am 1:56 am
“I am a mom first and a candidate second,” –HRC
Sounds like doublespeak to me and should be read as:
“I am a machine first and a candidate second.”
Shuster’s big mistake was apologizing to the Clinton Machine. Reminder: They don’t understand emotions robots don’t have hearts.
Posted by: BlackwaterJon | February 10, 2008, 2:08 am 2:08 am
America is in sad shape when it starts swearing allegience to machines. I said earlier in one of Jake’s blogs that I was boggled by her hypocrisy and I am. I get a wiff of it when she said she can take the heat, but then she threatened to boycott MSNBC Debates. Is she feigning weakness here, because I still don’t get that. If she can’t stand the heat from her cronies at MSNBC when the step out of line with the Clinton 08 talking points, then how is she going to hold up in the general election? I have my doubts. I am saving my best stuff for September and October. Anything but Hillary 08. Jon
Posted by: BlackwaterJon | February 10, 2008, 2:20 am 2:20 am
No matter what she does, Hillary can’t win. Why? Because the media is driving this election. They want an Obama-McCain race — because Obama has no chance of getting elected, and McCain isn’t too conservative, so he’d be “ok.”
Shame on the media, and the Obamabots for taking this opportunity to criticize Hillary. Shame.
Posted by: Jack | February 10, 2008, 2:22 am 2:22 am
Their first mistake was having Chelsea call the women of The View. They should have known that they would have mentioned on the air that she called each one of them.
And today the word pimp doesnt hold the negative meaning like it did before.
Posted by: Ann429 | February 10, 2008, 2:26 am 2:26 am
And why is being first lady consider as experience?
And as far as who supported the war and who didn’t I would have to say it really doesn’t matter.
Go back to the days right after 9/11 how did you feel? You were angry a lot of us were like YES get them. Bush pulled the covers over eyes. At the time it seemed like a good idea to me too. And now I’m like it wasn’t a good idea.
Posted by: Ann429 | February 10, 2008, 2:32 am 2:32 am
“Their first mistake was having Chelsea call the women of The View.”–Ann429
The Clinton mistake was evident long before Chelsea came along. It goes way back to Little Rock, AR for me. By the way, I like the obamabot moniker nice play, but I am holding off on swearing allegiance to the DNC just yet. I share some hope for change like many of you, but I don’t see how returning the Clintons to the White House will achieve that. I don’t buy the argument that they need 8 more years to accomplish what they couldn’t in the first eight years. Note: I play my cards like the house in Las Vegas, face up. I am a Republican Hillary Hater. God Bless America. Jon
Posted by: BlackwaterJon | February 10, 2008, 2:41 am 2:41 am
The Clinton Presidential Party did an excellent job of running this country in my opinion. I feel that Hillary probably had some say in what Bill did and they conversed as a team and made America great. I long for that time again, and if you choose to vote Republican again (or let them use the Bush Mafia Tatics of stealing 2 elections) then our economy is probably going to continue to suffer as it has for the last two Presidential Terms. If you vote for Obama, well might as well give it to McCain then, cause I feel he would win. I had voted for Kerry, not because he was a good canidate, but he would have been the lesser of two evils. When will the Democratic Party learn putting two minorities in the running for President in the same year. (Before I get bashed this last comment was as far from RASCISM as possible, and also was not sexist either)
Posted by: Imtyringtobefair | February 10, 2008, 2:50 am 2:50 am
The Clintons are all about dirty political tricks, like calling in favors with “super-delegates” and by trying to get Florida and Michigan delegates admitted by the DNC even though these states broke the DNC rules! Hillary takes tons of money from lobbyists with agendas and they all want something…
Obama is a much better choice with better ideas and more passion, and he will actually be able to beat Mccain.
Posted by: Parker | February 10, 2008, 2:59 am 2:59 am
The entire media coverage on this issue is a joke.
1. The vast majority of MSNBC’s “journalists”, and I use that term loosely…are all terrible.
2. Hillary is trying to come across as a Mom with feelings ………. the truth is, they are “pimping” Chesea.
3. Can’t Chelsea defend herself? It’s not like she’s still 12 with braces,
4. If the same journalist had said the same thing about Bush’s daughters in 2000 no one would have blinked an eye …
5. Do you hear the constant and completely unprofessional garbage coming from teh likes of Keith Olbermann? How could anyone be surprised by any of this?
6. And yes, they want Obama and McCain ……. and it’s sad that the media can control so many Americans that way………..
Posted by: rick | February 10, 2008, 3:04 am 3:04 am
It is easy to say “it is the economy stupid” and blame George Bush (who most of you bash as stupid), but I am not naive. During 8 years of Clinton we began outsourcing jobs to India via fiber optic cables, what I like to call virtual factor mobility in labor. A giant economic experiment that went bust out of the laboratory (in the real world in other words). In my view we instantly allowed millions of jobs to go overseas on the false promise of a boost in our overall welfare from free trade. However, factor mobility in labor is not free trade at all, it is as if millions were let into the country to work for nothing and pay no taxes. Inside of our country millions of jobs were lost and the remaining jobs left in the country were more difficult to get because of the competition. We didn’t just lose call centers, we lost accounting, science, engineering, and analysis to people willing to work for a handful of rupis (whatever a rupi is) per year. There was a big “rollback” on wages. At the same time free trade with China (the PRC) excacerbated the losses of rust belt jobs. There are lag ramifications for Clinton’s “golden” economic policies that we are just now starting to feel the pinch from. Why now? Because our credit has run out. Economic miracle, hardly. Don’t blame me, I hear the “giant sucking sound (Ross Perot).” My advice would be to make the internet outages permanent in India. Regards, Jon
Posted by: BlackwaterJon | February 10, 2008, 3:06 am 3:06 am
Follow on explanation for the golden years. Of course the BLS (Bureau of Labor Statistics)would like us to believe that wages went up not down. How can this be? Well, we have to look at the conflict of interest within the bureau and recognize that they no longer count the wages of the millions of people who are doing the jobs that were once done by Americans but now done through circuits. When you average American wages with the labor that was let in via the fiber you will see where the wages went. Wages went South by the way. Miracle, no. Not even close. Regards, Jon
Posted by: BlackwaterJon | February 10, 2008, 3:19 am 3:19 am
Hillary your feathers are like wool and they will all follow you like the birds of a feather in flocks.
Posted by: Gloria | February 10, 2008, 3:45 am 3:45 am
Call it the work of the people, but the Clintons sent our economy into a tailspin just before they left office which was just fine for the wealthy tycoons who love low wages and did nothing to reverse the tailspin. While they were in office they left a mess for our economy and they thought nobody would notice because there was plenty of lag before the train wreck. They of course what to get back in office to fix what they broke. Should we give them 8 years to be our stewards at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue again? No way. Clip the fiber optic cables today and make the outages permanent. Our economy will roar back to life overnight. Regards, Jon.
Posted by: BlackwaterJon | February 10, 2008, 3:46 am 3:46 am
The Clinton’s motive was to take down the global economy in an effort to destroy the tax base so that finances for the military industrial complex would evaporate and we could enjoy global cooling, communism, and peace. Their plan was well on the way to redistributing the wealth (look at the Indian GNP if you don’t believe me). The Clinton’s created that not Dr. Singh and Dr. Kalam. Call them anarchists, peace activists or whatever, but please don’t call them residents of Washington, DC again. Regards, Jon
Posted by: BlackwaterJon | February 10, 2008, 4:34 am 4:34 am
Sure the comment was crude and ill-advised, but Hillary is using this non-issue in an exagerated context as a shameless ploy to capture as much free TV coverage as she can. Is she really offended?? I doubt it. I’m sure she has heard much worse during her years of “experience” in Washington. The recent comment made toward Tiger Woods was far worse, yet his dignified response recognized it as merely a poor choice of words rather than a personal or racial attack. Now Hillary is calling for a boycott of NBC? She is not even the nominee and already the drama begins… Doesn’t she have something more pressing like an election campaign to worry about?
Posted by: BigDave | February 10, 2008, 5:34 am 5:34 am
It is amazing how quick people forget the important remarks that the Clintons have made regarding their grand plan to destroy our economy in an effort to destroy the Pentagon (what they call the war machine). It was just a couple of weeks ago (1/31/08) that Bill Clinton stated that we needed to slow down the economy. This all plays into their plan to slow down industrialization thereby cooling the planet. I know it has some allure to some people, the climate change argument is convincing, but I don’t buy it. There promise of fighting poverty is not what you think either. Actually, they plan to fight poverty around the world by shipping our assets to third world countries. They don’t have a plan to get your job back. Suprised, well I am not. Communism has always had some sort of seductive allure for some people. They believe in the peaceful revolution of the world’s workers. In other words they want workers to unite in the ballot box over the promise of utopian society. The road to serfdom is on the ballot this year. Call it a promise. Jon
Posted by: BlackwaterJon | February 10, 2008, 5:54 am 5:54 am
It’s rare that I miss England but after reading this story I am pining for British TV. The Europeans laugh at all that is American because we run circles around each other trying to force political correctness. The fact is the Clintons have no problem crossing the line when it suits them and now they are taking on an entire network because they are offended by what, relatively speaking, are fairly lame comments even by homegrown standards such as Howard Stern. In England this wouldn’t even get a mention in the press. Free speech actually means something there even if it occasionally offends. But hey, look at the bright side: If McCain is having trouble reaching conservatives he can always turn to the Clintons for advice.
Posted by: Rob MacKay | February 10, 2008, 6:11 am 6:11 am
Hi Willy,
Free speech (and freedom of the press for that matter) is at the whim of the corporation these days. Sorry you didn’t get the memo. God Bless.
Regards,
Jon
Posted by: BlackwaterJon | February 10, 2008, 6:26 am 6:26 am
here’s my thought – being female, from overseas and having lived here over 30 years I can say that i recognize the tactics of Hillary – I see them in women here in the u.s. all the time… in the most competetive and often most exploitive and cold women; and it just seems to be getting worse with each generation. Not to say there aren’t many decent and non manipulative women out there. But in the game and fight for power, not all women fight the same way – but many seem to. That’s politics, you say? That’s “women’s politics” you might say, and men can sometimes get just as dirty. I hope we can elect someone with integrity this time.
Posted by: berry | February 10, 2008, 6:40 am 6:40 am
David Shuster’s “pimped-out” comment is probably the best news Hillary’s campaign has had all week. Over the past 16 years, she has always done best when she can get people to feel sorry for her. It’s ironic that the pinnacle of American feminism is a woman who hides behind her husband-as-attack-dog and panders for sympathy votes when people criticize her campaign tactics (e.g. using her daughter to solicit superdelegate votes in the Un-Democratic National Commitee). Chris Matthews and David Shuster shouldn’t apologize for stating the obvious.
Posted by: Jeremy | February 10, 2008, 7:19 am 7:19 am
Pimp will always mean “to sell a prostitute.”
However, Snoop Dogg on Larry King disagrees. He said that pimp “…stands for Player Into Making Progress.” He also went on to say that gangster was just a “…state of mind.”
What’s next, Snoop? Will you be telling us that rape doesn’t mean what we thought it meant? While you’re at it, why don’t you change the definition of the word “holocaust” – make it mean “flossin one’s spinner-rims”.
Journalists shouldn’t be suspended for taking their vocabulary cues from rappers – they should be fired.
Posted by: chris | February 10, 2008, 7:23 am 7:23 am
I just watched the Chris Matthews Show, and 1 of the top ranked news paper quest said, Hillary and McCain are friends/allies! I allways said Hillary reminded me of a Republican!You Hillary supporters need to wake up, a Vote for Hillary is like a Vote for A Republican!
Posted by: Demo Rules | February 10, 2008, 7:41 am 7:41 am
Super Delagates should Not be able to over turn the Popular Vote! The American people have allready spoken, we want Obama as the next President Of these United states!
Posted by: Demo Rules | February 10, 2008, 8:14 am 8:14 am
Wake up DEM/DNC,time for Clintons and Clintonmaniacs to go.Enough is enough.
America is to beautifull to back the shame days back in our White House.
Hillary and Bill Clinton represents the past,the bridge to the future?the Clintons demolished that,fact is a fact.
Posted by: Ed River | February 10, 2008, 8:46 am 8:46 am
I just watched the Chris Matthews Show, and 1 of the top ranked news paper quest said, Hillary and McCain are friends/allies! I allways said Hillary reminded me of a Republican!You Hillary supporters need to wake up, a Vote for Hillary is like a Vote for A Republican!
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Joe Liberman is a McCain Endorser
Joe Liberman is Obama’s Mentor
Obama endorsed Liberman in 2006 which helped him keep his seat in the Senate and vote against Dems to get out of Iraq.
You Obama supporters need to wake up
Posted by: tiredofit | February 10, 2008, 8:58 am 8:58 am
Please Hillary stop feigning the outrage. You would take advantage of just about anyone to get your way into that Whitehouse.
Posted by: Ellen Meeling | February 10, 2008, 8:59 am 8:59 am
This was classic Clinton. If you don’t want them talking about your kid, don’t her put out there to sell you.
Ever think of that??
Please.
Hillary just wants sympathy from the people and softballs from the press.
Hillary, we all see you’re a fake.
Posted by: Clintonfatigued | February 10, 2008, 9:08 am 9:08 am
Why does Hillary have to see a conspiracy in every little thing? If she gets to the white house and asks for a tuna sandwich for lunch, but they’re out of tuna, will she claim there’s a conspiracy in the kitchen to keep her from getting a nourishing lunch? Surely she realized in the beginning that there would be scrunity and comments about Chelsea, since there always are about candidate’s kids, dogs and choice of pizza toppings. When a person is a candidate, everything is fodder for commentary and not all of it will be pleasant or appropriate. If she can’t handle something little like this, what’s going to happen when she’s in the oval office and something really big and troubling comes up?
Posted by: my_own_person_too | February 10, 2008, 9:08 am 9:08 am
Temporarily suspended? Out for good!
Posted by: Phil | February 10, 2008, 9:24 am 9:24 am
Martha Ann Roots-Woods
Okay I did a little research on the current use of the word “pimp” and it is very positive. To pimp your office is to make it extremely beautiful with the best state-of-the-art technology and furnishings and arrangements. To pimp your campaign members is to have them go forth in the work of the campaign in a manner that puts the candidate’s views before the public sector in the most positive, helpful and constructive way possible. And charming the superdelagates is part of the pimping, twisting of the arms, backdoor politics that Hillary is best at. That makes pimping look not so good. David Shuster just has a lot of young blood in him and must be a bit careful with the use of words. Please put David Shuster back to reporting we need him and his kind.
Posted by: Martha Ann | February 10, 2008, 9:31 am 9:31 am
only hillary will be the best president she will be good for all the people i am not for obama because he his come from muslum country i not trust him at all the white we be last
before i vote for obama i will vote for republican
Posted by: magella | February 10, 2008, 9:33 am 9:33 am
MSNBC has been extremely offensive and down right demeaning their coverage. The Chelsea comment was the last straw. I hate networks thinking they can basically con us into voting for who they want.
They are cheerleaders for Obama while insulting and derogatory towards the Clintons. I felt like cursing out all those MSNBC people when I heard that comment. They should be ashamed of themselves. I used to think they were better than Fox. I have been proven wrong. MSNBC gets my award for the most biased network on TV,
Posted by: Jay | February 10, 2008, 9:44 am 9:44 am
Excuse me……….Hillary Clinton condones any and all derogatory comments made by journalists against Republicans and other candidates but she is off limits????? I think not..what makes her so special? This is what politics has become, and she has been on board with name calling until it is directed toward her. Hmmmmmm, could she be an elitist???
Posted by: jb | February 10, 2008, 9:56 am 9:56 am
Don’t be fooled. Hillbilly probably organized this. And she’s going to play it up and use it as a distraction to gather sympathy for voters in Maine.
She’s probably going to cry and say something like SEE?!! People are so mean to me and probably because I’m a woman so vote for me.
I think it was a poor choice of words but the time and energy she is putting into this is over the top. She is trying to play that sympathy card because Obama’s campaign is gaining traction and she’s trying to do anything to stop it. Instead of being a better candidate she’s trying to derail the competition. Which speaks volumes. Btw for all of those determined to vote for Hillary if Obama was a woman would rethink who you were voting for? If so maybe you are trying to hard to elect a woman instead of a GOOD candidate
Posted by: avant Strangel | February 10, 2008, 10:01 am 10:01 am
It is a real show of disgust that people would even consider this sort of talk in any fashion as being alright!
It is also disgusting how people keep playing up the Monica garbage all the time as some sort of justification!
This really shows the total lack of any sort of mature thinking on the part of those who continue siding with this type of garbage!
It isn’t a seek of sympathy! If Clinton said nothing, people would be screaming, Hillary did what any mother/parent would do and her doing so shows more courage than those of you who lack any by hiding behind a computer screen taking any opportunity to slander her campaign and her!
Bottom feeders like those who justify this sort of garbage talking by the media and throw in other garbage show true lack of maturity and ignorance and people wonder why America has become the country it is today!
Posted by: me | February 10, 2008, 10:02 am 10:02 am
The term to “pimp out” is generally used to refer to one’s car or Harley (aka “rides”) “Pimp” in this instance was clearly used with the historic meaning in mind and simply inappropriate. I will be voting for Obama, however, I must say I am puzzled by the slams Hillary takes for being “cold” or perhaps, “”unfriendly”. Obama is no teddy bear. Mr. Bush has clealr demonstrated the merits of electing a teddy bear.
On another point, until we begin to accept and welcome our position as a nation among fellow nations, until we begin to address this “us vs. them” mentality prevalent in our country, and until we examine our need to view ourselves as Number 1, we can only anticipate that our position and esteem throughout the world will only continue to diminish.
It is time to begin acting like Americans once again. Jingoism and religious zeolotry are a lethal combination.
Posted by: Catherine | February 10, 2008, 10:14 am 10:14 am
Oh please! Chelsea is not 15 yrs old. She is closing in on 30 fast and getting her feet wet with the big boys. Her parents should either keep her out of the limelight or stop protecting her. This is simply a another in a line of ploys to play with peoples emotions. Clinton wants people to feel sorry for her. It is one big game for her.
Posted by: Joe | February 10, 2008, 10:15 am 10:15 am
How come it is alright for Hillary or her surrogates in her campaign to make disparaging comments about Obama, his backround and his religion, but they can’t take criticism of their own, even if it was mildly offensive.
The idea of Hillary boycotting debates sponsored by NBC because of the comment made about Chelsea is incredibly immature. I remember kids acting that way in the early years of grade school! What’s Hillary, 60-61?
Time to grow up Hillary. Also time to stop playing the poor victim during this campaign. I wouldn’t try that one again if I were you!
Posted by: Hirotomi Takemitsu | February 10, 2008, 10:16 am 10:16 am
Chris,
You might be interested to know that pimp doesn’t only mean what you think it does. In the medical world, it means having a senior medical personnel badger a student doctor with medical questions (as a teaching method).
As with all the absolutes on this board, the take-away is that there are few absolutes. All those decrying the use of pimping need to understand that it was just a poorly selected short-hand tool to indicates the Clintons have been using Chelsea to gain publicity. There is no problem in using family members, of course, but the real problem comes when they continue to use her (to call TV shows, call superdelegates, etc.) but then refuse to give either the media or the people of the US access to her. It is that double-standard that is most troubling, regardless of some commentator’s attempt at succinctness.
Posted by: Kitty | February 10, 2008, 10:17 am 10:17 am
If Hillary Clinton were truly upset as a mother, she would have made this thing a silent dialogue between MSNBC and herself. That I would have respected, because it would have been an individual registering a complaint against a corporation. But the Clinton Campaign has made this into a big thing, and the timing of it–right before a series of election votes in which it was predicted Hillary would lose–is highly suspect. By taking the light off of the results of the election, the Clinton campaign continues to manipulate the flow of news. I think it is an unfortunate campaign tactic and speaks to the integrity of the candidate. I find it quite worrisome.
I suspect that if you looked at every media outlet across the US you would find all manner of highly questionable commentary that makes this one look mild. Why haven’t the Clintons attack uniformly and consistently? Again, this goes back to the mindset of the campaign. I do not watch MSNBC but it seems many on this list feel it is pro-Obama rather than neutral. By escalating this small incident to a national one, the Clintons are attempting to ‘blackmail’(shorthand) MSNBC into a more favorable reporting stance. Another troublesome aspect.
Finally, if you all don’t like MSNBC, there is an easy way to make sure the media knows how you feel: stop watching. They will get the message. Until you do, then you can complain all you want but if you truly feel they are biased and continue to watch, you are feeding your enemy.
You known, this is a free speech country….
Posted by: Tika | February 10, 2008, 10:27 am 10:27 am
Bo Hoo, again the Hill “sheds” a tear about MNBC’S error in good judgement of words. If Hlll does go through with the debate on the 26th, it will be interesting to hear the tone of the questions. Go Obama!
Posted by: Dave3 in MI | February 10, 2008, 10:29 am 10:29 am
As a mother I totally agree with Hillary – if anyone used that kind of digusting language to refer to my daughter (who is also in her 20s), I would tear them a new one, too.
As for you people who claim that Hillary is trying to “have it both ways” – you’re just plain WRONG. Hillary is granting reporters plenty of access to Chelsea. Stop lying.
I have to say that I’m really turned off by the sleazy behavior of the Obama supporters – more than once I have seen Clinton supporters verbally attacked and shouted down by mobs of Obama supporters. It reminds me of nothing so much as episodes from China’s “cultural revolution” – angry gangs of young know-it-alls attacking their elders and never listening to the wisdom of experience.
Hillary just can’t get a fair shake because of all of the rhetoric. I think I am going to stay home in November. It’s all so very depressing.
Posted by: Gayle | February 10, 2008, 10:30 am 10:30 am
What disparaging comments has Clinton made concerning Obama’s RACE or RELIGION? This is still part of the Obama propaganda machine. Obama’s like a used car salesman. The car looks and sounds great until you get it home and find out it’s a lemon.
Posted by: Jeff | February 10, 2008, 10:30 am 10:30 am
WHAT I HATE IS THE CAUCASSES NOW, OBAMA GOT ALL THIS STATES, BECAUSE IT’S NOT LIKE THE PRIMARIES, YOU HAVE TO BE THERE AT CERTAIN TIME…REAL ELECTORATES FOR OTHER CANDIDATES BECAUSE
IF YOU ARE LATE AT THE CAUCUS…….
THE VOTE CAN’T BE RECORDED….IT’S AN OPEN QUORUM….SEE WHAT’S GOING ON…..
HILLARY ALMOST WIN IN ALL STATES IN THE PRIMARIES BIG TIME, ONLY WHERE, STATES WITH BLACK MAJORITIES, OBAMA WIN……SO IF IT COMES TO GENERAL ELECTION,,HE WILL LOST AND NEVER
BE, THE DEMOCRAT WILL BE DOOM AGAIN,
COMMON SENSE, MY DEAR DEMOCRATS, ARDENT
SUPPORTERS OF HILLARY…..WE WILL WAIT AND SEE…….VOTE WISELY…..
Posted by: mabel | February 10, 2008, 10:33 am 10:33 am
It will be interesting to see if Hillary does take part in the debate. I think it will depend on the political calculations–if she is out of money and needs the airtime, then integrity may not be enough to keep her from appearinig. On the other hand, if she is still getting good press from her motherly stance and they calculate that it is more beneficial to stay away, then she will.
I don’t think her attendance at the debate will hinge on her upset feelings as much as it will on her political needs.
And perhaps that is what many of us sense about her during this snafu–it is all a bit too calculated, a bit too much over the top.
Posted by: Kira | February 10, 2008, 10:35 am 10:35 am
Tika – If MSNBC attacked Chelsea publicy, why shouldn’t Clinton respond publicy? Besides, if she responded privately you Clinton-haters would be blasting her for her lack of transparency and “behind-closed-doors dealmaking with the media.” Face it, there’s just no pleasing you Clinton-haters. She’s dammned if she does and dammned if she doesn’t.
Posted by: Roscoe Thunderflatus | February 10, 2008, 10:37 am 10:37 am
I agree with this guy’s suspension. “Pimping” is about as derogatory and sexually demeaning a term as it gets in reference to a parent’s relationship to their daughter. Even Bill O’Rielly would get suspended for saying something like that about any presidential candidate’s daughter. Totally disrespectful and demeaning.
Posted by: Scott | February 10, 2008, 10:38 am 10:38 am
Obama keeps talking about “hope” and “change” but he has yet to talk about any real issues. In my business we call what Obama is selling “vaporware.” I’m a Dem, but if it comes down to Obama v. McCain, I’m voting for McCain. Experience counts.
Posted by: JoeySays | February 10, 2008, 10:40 am 10:40 am
Forget that it was hillary’s daughter who was being “pimped.” Think of it as a woman being “pimped.” This is another egregious example of overt sexism. The comments about Hillary orchestrating this situationor playing the victim make me sick. What are Mr. Shuster’s responsibility as a journalist and putative wordsmith. From his initial reaction, I guess he believes as, so long as a woman is being savaged, anything goes. What are the comparable remarks he has made against male candidates? All the comments, from Chris Matthews’ Lewinski nonsense to Tucker Carlson’s “castrating” comment to this latest point to one undeniable conclusion: sexism is rampant, the last
bias that is tolerated, nay celebrated. If anyone had accused Obama of pimping out someone, the chorus of outrage, justifiable I might add, would have been defeaning. But accuse a female candidate of “pimping” out her daughter and it’s yawn time. (And ironic, seeing that males are in the pimping business). And the attempts to twist the pimp reference in order to soften its connotation are despicable. Senator Obama’s silence on this issue is deafening. If he wins the nomination, this female lunch bucket Democrat will sit home, because it is clear to me that no woman will ever be good enough to run the country, and that any woman who dares to run for the highest office will be slammed, as Hillary is being slammed and as Geraldine Ferraro was slammed. Remember Ms. Ferraro? She had the temerity to run for higher office and there was an immediate smear campaign
against her, implying that her husband was in the Mafia. I wonder if Obama can win the presidency if women sit out the election?
Posted by: carolyn p | February 10, 2008, 10:42 am 10:42 am
It would be nice if the Clinton camp could actually compete in this contest. But even the slightest questioning of Obama is seen as racist. This is really starting to frustrate me. You want him to be a true candidate but you won’t let him be vetted the way a candidate should be. Everyone knows that he’s been given a free pass. Unfortunately, I’m almost looking forward to when the Republicans get their hands on him. Then maybe you would have heeded my warning earlier of wake up and live in reality.
Posted by: Walt | February 10, 2008, 10:42 am 10:42 am
Go Hillary!
You’re a great mother and candidate.
Hillary will be the best President ever – even better than Bill, which is saying something!
MSNBC sucks…
Posted by: GoBigOGH | February 10, 2008, 10:43 am 10:43 am
Gayle,
I am a mother of two daughters and I have to tell you and I simply not as offended as you seem to be.
And please remember, we are evaluating the character of the person who may be the next president of the US. I certainly don’t want this sort of emotional extremism and public badgering this woman is engaging in. Sorry, but I have to agree with whoever said this thing should have been kept as a quiet dialogue between Clinton and MSNBC.
As far as I can see, Clinton is playing the gender card again–all the while denying that she uses it.
And the term in current parlance is simply not as negative as many of you insist it is. A poor choice of words, however, but there is not a single one of us alive who haven’t selected the wrong word in public or private.
Here’s the thing: a public person needs to expect public harassment; maybe it shouldn’t be that way, but it is and it isn’t going to change. It’s part of the deal you make when you become a public person. When Hillary put Chelsea out there, she became a public person, too. They will just have to deal with it, and you projecting your maternal instincts just isn’t relevant.
Chelsea is an adult and she has been subject to adult scrutiny for years. We know all about her boyfriends, what she does, etc. It is a little late now to say Momma Bear doesn’t like this.
But that is just me, mother of two adult daughters who doesn’t feel the remark made justifies all this madness.
Posted by: Deb | February 10, 2008, 10:45 am 10:45 am
Because the commentator was an individual and not the corporation.
What Hillary should have done is sent a note to MSNBC saying she was upset by the actions of the individual in question and would like MSNBC to review the incident and take appropriate action.
Instead, she blew is so far out of proportion (tantrum) and threatened (blackmail) not to take part in the debate.
Over a single word that has various meanings to various people, as has been noted here. A single word that for many of us really isn’t all that bad to begin with. A single word that simply conveyed the truth, that the Clinton campaign is using Chelsea to campaign for them while not allowing the media access to her (Chelsea doesn’t give interviews, remember?)
It is a double standard from the Clintons and an attack against the media who do not portray the Clintons in the way the Clintons would like to be portrayed. By making this minor incident into a public debate, Clinton shows she is willing to sacrifice her daughter to gain media attention.
Sorry, I think this is all nasty politics on the side of the Clinton camp, and it should have been handled in a much different way. Obviously, you folks who are staunch Clintonites don’t agree, but I’m actually undecided and so I look at these tactics and wonder if I can actually support this candidate.
Posted by: Tika | February 10, 2008, 10:51 am 10:51 am
So Gayle, are you saying that it’s ok for me to say that you pimp your two daughters?
Posted by: Scott | February 10, 2008, 10:52 am 10:52 am
I really don’t get this constant reference to Obama on this particular exchange. THere is absolutely nothing about him in the headlines–this is all about Hillary and her reaction to a word she doesn’t like. How you extrapolate that into a race issue and enter Obama supporters as being negative into the discussion is beyond me. I think it is simply fear that Hillary may not win and you are desperate to disparage him at any opportuntiy, even when the discussion isn’t even about him.
Posted by: Kitty | February 10, 2008, 10:54 am 10:54 am
Correction I meant Deb, not Gayle. Deb is it ok for me to say that you pimp your two daughters.
Posted by: Scott | February 10, 2008, 10:54 am 10:54 am
so, she’s going to punish the network and everyone else by refusing to participate in the debates? if only we were so lucky!
Posted by: VAGuy | February 10, 2008, 10:54 am 10:54 am
Scott – I think you’re thinking of Deb. I only have one daughter, and I would tear you – or anyone else – a new one if you said something like that about her.
Posted by: Gayle | February 10, 2008, 10:56 am 10:56 am
Does the man ever vote on anything? This is his U.S. Senate voting record.
Posted by: Harry | February 10, 2008, 10:59 am 10:59 am
I guess this is an indicator of how Hillary would be as president. She may be offended as a mother, but as president she will be required to uphold free speach. As far as her seeing a ‘pattern’ that is a laugh also. All of Ron Paul’s supporters have seen a ‘pattern’ of supression of information concerning this candiate by all media and yet our collective voice to have this changed has been ignored.
I guess ONE person’s voice, depending on WHO they are, is louder than the common American people.
To put this word into context: Bush is “pimping” out our troops to fight a war that the American public now knows was started over lies.
Hillary needs to get up on the current slang terms and what they mean, then she might be offended but see the truth that this reporter sees.
Posted by: Midgerji | February 10, 2008, 10:59 am 10:59 am
Is this the first time Hillary realized that NBC has a political agenda?
Posted by: bill | February 10, 2008, 11:00 am 11:00 am
Deb,
I agree that Clinton could have chosen to let it pass (although then poeple on these boards would be calling her cold anc calculated). But I don’t see why people are taking special exception to her pointing out the offense. Except that people take special exception to every thing Clinton says because they don’t like her and are constantly looking for reasons to continue doing so.
But there is more to this as well. The pundits on MSNBC really have been saying a lot of misogynist things against Hillary lately, and she has let it roll off with the character everyone insists she doesn’t have. If she wants to make a point that they leave her daughter out of it, I don’t see how that somehow disqualifies her for the Presidency.
Posted by: jock59801 | February 10, 2008, 11:03 am 11:03 am
Do you have the same position if the commentator said that they were “Pimping” Michelle Obama?
Posted by: katie | February 10, 2008, 11:03 am 11:03 am
My Son is, Active Duty Military, and he has lost so many friends in Iraq.Hillary or McCain will not pull us out of Iraq.Hillary Voted for the War In Iraq and when she decided to run for Office, then she said she was against it!I worry about my Son all the time, and you Hillary Supporters Discuss Me!Why dont you go Volunteer in Iraq so all the Hero’s can come home! Just this morn on the Matthews Show a top News paper lady said, that McCain and Hillary are friends and travel together all the time!So you think either one of this 2 will bring our Soldiers Home, I think not!I Believe in Obama he will usher in a change to this country which we all need! Hillary is the Old Politics and Obama is the New.
Posted by: Mom First | February 10, 2008, 11:05 am 11:05 am
Nice try, tika – but at no point did MSNBC ever state that “The views and opinions of David Schuster do not necessarily relfect those of MSNBC or it’s parent company, General Electric” or anything remotely similar. If that had been the case, it would validate your argument. But it wasn’t, so Clinton was perfectly justified in spanking Schuster publicly.
As for the rest of your comments, they’re wildly off-base. First of all, Chelsea is not being “pimped” by the campaign. She’s volunteering on a limited basis and not making a lot of high profile public appearances – no more so than Obama or McCain’s children. If you wanted to see “pimping” you want the Romney campaign, which really did pimp the hell out of Tag & the boys.
I think what you Clinton-haters really object to is not being able to attack a Clinton with impunity. You Clinton-haters seem to feel that Hillary should be held to higher, nearly impossible standards that you refuse to hold the other candidates to. Then you jump allover Hillary when she reacts like any other normal human being would to your constant nasty attacks against her.
You people are disgusting.
Posted by: JoeySays | February 10, 2008, 11:06 am 11:06 am
Mom first – that’s what Obama promises, but do you think he has the experience to actually get ANYTHING done in Washington? Look at the man’s voting record – he’s got very few accomplishments to boast of. He keeps talking about “hope” and “change” but never gets specific or talks about real life issues. He’s all smoke and mirrors. I just have a really bad feeling about him.
Posted by: Jakey | February 10, 2008, 11:10 am 11:10 am
Does the man ever vote on anything? This is his U.S. Senate voting record.
Posted by: Harry | February 10, 2008, 11:13 am 11:13 am
The democratic race is polorizing the electorate to the point where the division will cause the democrats to lose in nov. The rehtoric coming from constituates on both sides is getting more ugly as time passes, young vs. older, black vs. white and male vs. female. Observing all posts, the younger voter is polorizing the electorate the most and this is not the unity I was expecting in this election. Now racial inuendos are appearing in the posts and this will only further divide the party, as well as cause race issues to escalate. I am fast becoming disenfranchised with my own party for the first time in all my years of voting and so are a lot of others. I don’t think people realize on both sides how fractured the party is becoming and this will cause some to not even vote in the general election or vote the other side. If this race comes down to the super delegates determining the winner, we will surely lose the election. I for one, have already went down to the department of motor vehicles and have already changed my affiliation from Democrat to Independent and I urge all the Obama Democrats to do the same. Most of these “Super Delegates” (which Bill is worth 12 just by himself!) are enter-twined with The Clinton crime family. They are either paying back favors or they like politics the way they are and are speaking with their own greed instead of the will of the people the are “suppose to” represent. If we all unite under the independent party we not only can get rid of Hillary once and for all but we can also get rid of all these “Super delegates” that sold us out!
Posted by: Dave Peck | February 10, 2008, 11:16 am 11:16 am
Yesterdays results were very disappointing and may result in potential “Trainwreck” scenario for democrats.
Obama is inching slowly ahead but not fast enough.
The possible blend of “MCCain and Huckabee” might make Democrats to rethink their strategy as they may not be able to see democrats president this year.
Fighting between Democrats will only help Republicans.
Posted by: Humm | February 10, 2008, 11:30 am 11:30 am
Check Obama voting records in senate.gov. His record voting is “not voting”
Posted by: Peter | February 10, 2008, 11:33 am 11:33 am
Acording to the exits polls in Lousiana most people who voted for Obama are African-American.
Vote by race:
White: Clinton:68% Obama:25%
Black :Clinton 13% Obama 86%
What do you think?
Posted by: Peter | February 10, 2008, 11:39 am 11:39 am
Check it Out Here First! Barack Obama’s “Presidential To-Do List”!
Posted February 9, 2008.
Immediately declare war on hopelessness.
Create a Department of Hope.
Add Secretary of Hope to the cabinet.
Bring home the troops then hope Iraq doesn’t fall apart.
Push for a UN resolution declaring that the UN has hope for all mankind.
Fund research into finding a way tobuild hope into all future weapons systems.
Strengthen Anti- Have No Hope laws.
Stock the Justice Department with hopeful lawyers.
Give Federal judges wider leeway in defining hopelessness.
Encourage judges with no hope to retire.
Appoint judges with hope to the Supreme Court.
Amend the Constitution to include hope as an inalienable right of all people, including those who are here illegally.
Create the Hope Corps to spread the concept of hope to hopeless nations around the world.
Require all schools receiving federal monies to include hope in their curriculum.
Require Federal programs such as Head Start to have hope.
Require all Federal employees to have hope. Promote those with hope faster than those who are hopeless.
Establish a “Hope Tax” to help people with no hope. The more hope you have, the more hope you owe.
Give hope tax breaks to married couples who have hope.
Give hope tax breaks to businesses that create hope.
Crack down on Big Businesses with no hope.
Remove tariffs on imported hope.
Ask God to give us a source of cheap, inexhaustible, clean energy by 2016 so nobody has to get angry at each other any more and we can all just relax for once.
Identify and encourage all people who have no hope by no later than 2018.
Make all poopy stuff go away by finding a new way to digest food by 2022.
Eliminate hopelessness worldwide by 2025!!!
I don’t know about you, but I got a chill up my spine!
YES WE CAN!!! YES WE CAN!!! YES WE
A
Posted by: Pat | February 10, 2008, 11:43 am 11:43 am
Obama is king…. KING of change…
Be afraid, Be vert afraid. OBAMA will rule the earth from now on
Posted by: obasmack | February 10, 2008, 11:58 am 11:58 am
I’m a little concerned about Hillary’s lack of understanding of modern culture, where the word “pimp” can mean that something is being decked with lots of great accessories or it can mean that a person is doing public speaking for money or some other reward. I’m also concerned that she isn’t thinking things through and sees conspiracies everywhere. She has too much of the victim-mentality of so many women her age. The longer this campaign goes on, the more apparent it becomes that Hillary doesn’t have the wherewithal to withstand the presidency for four years. What will happen if she gets poor ratings in an approval poll? Will she cry and say the office is too stressful, the issues are too difficult and the press has it in for her? She’s got to learn to deal with bad press, unpleasant results and difficult situations gracefully. If she thinks pimping is selling prostitutes, she’s waaay behind the times.
Posted by: my_own_person_too | February 10, 2008, 11:59 am 11:59 am
Change; will be Obama getting elected and bringing in new Ideas and Hope!Obama is younger and not tied down with all the Political scandals that most Politicians are.Obama is new Politics and Hillary is the Old.The older Politicians was brought up in a differnt time, with differnt cultural, ideas.Its time America catches up with the changes of time, and we need to ursher in a new Political field, and only 1 person can do this and his name is Obama!
Posted by: Listen Up | February 10, 2008, 11:59 am 11:59 am
As a mom of a Active Duty Military Son, I bet all this fellow women at there Voting for Hillary, dont have a Son or Daughter in the Serves! If they did they would know that Hillary will not bring our kids home.Hillary didnt even say she was against the War In Iraq till she decided to run for Office!
Posted by: Mom First | February 10, 2008, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm
Hillary’s overreaction to this comment is scary. After John Edwards dropped out, I had almost swung my vote to her.
But if she’s going to get THIS upset over a COMMENT, I have to begin to believe the people who say a woman should NOT be president because of her emotions.
If she intends to WASTE time yammering about supposed insults to her child, then she should remove her child from the campaign arena. If she chooses not to debate in front of the American people because one man chose his words poorly, then shame on HER!
Additionally, if words like “pimp” had not become part of our accepted speech patterns because of a shift toward total and complete crudeness in American language, nobody would use it in any connotation.
What a waste of time and energy on everyone’s part.
Posted by: jph46 | February 10, 2008, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm
This morn on the Matthews show, A top news paper lady said, Hillary and McCain do alot of traveling together and are Friends! I said several times before Hillary reminds me of a Republican!
Posted by: Demo Rules | February 10, 2008, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm
Obama has allready recieved like 2 times as many votes from the American people as Hillary has, that right there show you the American people want a change and Hillary cant bring it!
Posted by: Listen Up | February 10, 2008, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm
all of you fellow women out there with kids in the Military need to show up in force and vote for Obama.Hillary will not bring our Sons and Daughters home!
Posted by: Mom First | February 10, 2008, 12:19 pm 12:19 pm
Scott,
Go ahead and say I pimp my daughters. I don’t care. I know better, they know better, and words do not define either our relationships or our lifestyle.
Do you honestly believe that kids go through their entire school years without being called a name that is totally out of bounds? Get real.
But this is different. Hillary Clinton is a public figure; Bill Clinton is a public figure. Chelsea Clinton has become a public figure.
But let me come right back out you: why doesn’t Hillary get upset when the public launch their attacks against Bill? I have seen and heard HORRIBLE allegations against him, and she has remained silent. Why doesn’t the good wife do the right thing and show righteous anger when her beloved husband is attacked?
Posted by: Deb | February 10, 2008, 1:13 pm 1:13 pm
Gayle,
If you would physically harm another person for utrtering a single word, I am sorry for both you and your daughter. Get a grip, woman. It was a word.
Posted by: Deb | February 10, 2008, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm
Hillary will start to bring your brave sons and daughters home from Iraq within 60 days. She is as precise about this as possible. Obama has not received 2 times as many votes as Hillary has. The statement that he has is a bold lie. Are lies all you can do Obama supporters?
Go Hillary!
Posted by: john | February 10, 2008, 1:29 pm 1:29 pm
JoeySays
Get a grip, man! You are going to have a stroke if you don’t take a few deep breaths and relax.
There is not vast left wing conspiracy at work here–in spite of your attempt to make anyone who doesn’t worship at the alter of Hillary Clinton disgusting.
Actually, I am undecided, though the over-the-top rhetoric of the folks supporting Clinton in this section has been so off-putting that I think I am heading in the other direction.
Women who would physically assualt someone over a word, men who have fits and foam at the mouth, folks who come out of the woodwork to attack the candidate who isn’t even involved with this discussion….talk about disgusting.
Get over the problem with the word pimp. Even if it meant all the stuff some of you people are trying to overload it with IT IS A WORD, PEOPLE!
If you have a problem with MSNBC, WRITE TO THEM! If you don’t, and you think they are biased and unfair to Hillary Clinton and you remain silent, then you are part of the problem and not part of the solution. The issue involves you as much as it does Clinton.
And, yeah, I think this entire thing shows Hillary in a very pool light. As a president, she has to retain a cool head and apply judgment in resolving a problem. If she spends all her time and emotional energy about this sort of slight, she can’t be a very effective leader.
A let’s talk gender, the thing the Clintons refuse to admit to using but which is always on display. This tempest is all about the Clintons playing the gender card. She handle this thing poorly and it does reflect on her ability to be president. Chelsea should have said something, not Hillary. And blackmailing the media when they say something she doesn’t like is beneath a candidate running for this office.
And as far as your highly honed sense of offense, it doesn’t stop you from impugning the children of others, does it? So it really does come down to the fact that you can’t stand the idea that your candidate has been uncovered / discovered to be a manipulative politician who isn’t above using her child to gain media spotlight.
And that, sir, is indeed disgusting.
Posted by: tika | February 10, 2008, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm
everyone says Obama’s black support is the reason he won Louisiana. To those people, unless a wave of blacks has swept over Nebraska since the last time I was there how do you explain that victory and those like it?
Posted by: jgirl | February 10, 2008, 1:33 pm 1:33 pm
what the truth is?? did chelsea called for supper-delegates?? Hillary should teach her own daughter to behavior herself as a mother and control Bill clinton to be a positive spouse first !!!
Posted by: brightofeyes | February 10, 2008, 1:36 pm 1:36 pm
To all my fellow Moms out there with Sons and Daughters in the Military.Do not let Hillary mislead you into voting for her becuase you are women to.Join me and,”Take A stand”! My Son has lost so many of his friends in Iraq. I belive Hillary will not, bring our kids home from Iraq, because she was for The Iraq War till she decided to run for Office! Hillary doesnt have a child in the Iraq War or she would have been agaisnt it from the begining!Please, Please join me and Vote No for Hillary, lets Vote to bring our Sons and Daughters home from Iraq, Vote yes to Obama!
Posted by: Mom First | February 10, 2008, 2:14 pm 2:14 pm
druggstohr
How on earth do you get from remarking about overreacting to a single word and using it as political capital to the destruction of the civilized world?
Do you really think that if Hillary Clinton does not win that our nation suddendly turns into a promiscuous, degraded country?
Why on earth do you think protesting in FAVOR of freedom expression equates to shooting up a school? Because we don’t agree with you?
Both of my daughters are well-adjusted, productive members of society. One is in the Army Reserves and will be heading to Iraq in April. The other is holding down three jobs to afford to go to college. If I am such a reprobate as a mother because I don’t get excised about a single word, how come my kids turned out so well balanced?
It is this sort of overheated rhetoric that make me think that Hillary is not the sort of candidate that heal the breach, not when she brings this sort of extremism out of the woodwork.
Posted by: Deb | February 10, 2008, 2:58 pm 2:58 pm
What is upsetting about these comments is this passive acceptance for the degradation of women. Just as “Chuck and Jive” are rightfully offensive as say the “N” word, so too are words used against women. I have a five year old daughter. No way do I want her to grow up with these ancient, sexist attitudes that prevail in our society. This entire acceptance in treating women the way the media does needs to end. Including the fact that T.V. has found it acceptable to use the “B” word, “W” word, etc. I have been telling my students for several years now that this type careless degradation of women cannot be acceptable, it is not humor, it is deliberate against our sex. I think that rather than attack those defending women, attack those who degrade them. Remember when rapists would be defended by people saying “She must have done something to deserve it.” Or “Well it’s because of the way she was dressed.” Or “Well, she should not have been walking around at night.” I remember those days, I remember because it was not too long ago. It is the same mentality that allows societies to brutalize women because they are not “conforming” to what the abusers say they should. Anyone using this as an opportunity to make a point against Clinton is simply being callous and permissive to the mistreatment in words or actions against women. Attack Clinton on issues, but to go after her daughter by degrading her as female…just exactly what issue are you debating here? Face yourselves people……
Posted by: irma | February 10, 2008, 3:15 pm 3:15 pm
Irma,
I face myself every morning when I look in the mirror: I am a woman, and as a woman I understand how the society indulges subtley in sexism. Every time I turn on the TV and watch yet another of those fantasy shows in which every woman is beautiful and sexy and tumbles into any guy, I shake my head and wonder how we got here.
But do you protest these shows? Do you watch Desperate Housewives, for example? Do you contact your local network to complain? Do you write to the record companies to point out how they devalue women?
This question had nothing at all to do with sexuality of Chelsea Clinton and everything to do with the approach her mother uses in campaigning. It was a poor choice of words–you think it was sexist and maybe it was, but in today’s parlance it is common place and used everywhere by kids and grown-ups.
The point most of us have been trying to make is that Hillary is not demonstrating a gender-neutral race, and in this instance is not even setting a good role-model for women. She allowed this thing to get completely out of control, and many of us believe she did so in order to gain sympathy for her flagging campaign. Do you really think this speaks well of strong, independent women to react this way? In fact, by her response she kept the ‘degradation’ of her daughter in front of the people a lot longer than she needed to, because it benefits her campaign. Sadly, people like you who care a lot about important issues are missing the big picture by focusing on what Hillary is directing you to look at.
Posted by: Kitty | February 10, 2008, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm
Facts:
- Bush & co looted trillions from USA.
- Staged them in euro accounts.
- Ready to use any tool and power to
retain their presidency.
Plan:
- Manipulate the youth into
voting for Obama.(they are not
the victims of economic losses and
they are just tired of the situation
and have no clue on how Obama is
going to bring the change where
even Bush can’t put any
suggestions into Mr Dick
Cheney’s ears).
Obama.
- Then during actual presidential
elections, provoke racism across
America and pull Obama down.
Result:
- McCaine as President.
- Bush & co money intact
- Bush & co policies intact.
- All the Americans (both Dems and
Republicans) in hopeless situation
(working 20 hours a day) keep waiting
for Jesus to save them.
waiting for the Jesus.
Posted by: hum-it-911 | February 10, 2008, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm
It is unbelievable that Obama supporters are acusing Hillary of blowing this out of proportion when we spent 2-3 weeks all over the so-called racial comments of President Clinton and fired Imus over his “words”. The tone of many of these coments are not suptly sexist. They are overtly sexist! Refering to her response as a “tantrum”. If this is not sexism, I don’t know what is.
Posted by: azdybat | February 10, 2008, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm
azdybat
Let me put this in perspective for you.
Bill Clinton launched an attack against Barack Obama for being black. He got coverage in national media. He spent weeks disparaging Obama for no other reason than his race, but always denying it when confronted with his statements. It was a hatchet job, and many in the Democratic party contact both Clintons to ask he back off. He refused, until after the a significant loss that let the campaign know they had overstep the lines of decency.
Compare a national campaign carried in all media (television, newspapers, internet, etc.) with a single word spoken as a question on a relatively low-rated cable news network.
You don’t see the difference? Not even a little?
Yeah, the Clinton campaign is instituting a double standard, and the Clinton supporters who use the line of logic you are attempting to use simply re-enforce the idea that this is a campaign that stops at nothing.
Posted by: kitty | February 10, 2008, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm
To all of you Obama lovers who claim that he is as pure as the driven snow! If the Republicans have a chance to get their hands on him, all of your foolish, self-righteous psycho-babble is going to go right up in smoke. We know nothing about this man, other than his weak-willed…panny-waisted voting record. He has no genuine, solid plan to change America. Does he think that mere rhetoric will do it? Hillary Clinton would defeat John McCain in a heartbeat. Is Obama stupid enough to think that his vote against empowering the President of the United States to use force if Sadam Hussein continued to stall U.N. inspections really going to hold any water against McCain? Is that all he has to promote himself? He is surely full of it, because McCain will bring facts, evidence, testimony, and much more to prove that Obama was too passive to take a stance against terrorism. War is McCain’s specialty. McCain also admitted (and faulted) the Bush administration’s management of the surge for creating a sloppy mess. He will also bring up 911…or have you fanatics forgotten about that, and the real threat of terrorist attacks upon American soil. Obama will look like a school yard punk on those issues. On the other hand, Hillary will be able to mute the issue against McCain, because he too has agreed that the war was mismanaged…No argument there! Since he has agreed, she will then be able to fully argue that we must stop the madness, and Bush’s failed policy. She will also have way more ammunition to challenge him on issues that McCain has admitted he knows nothing about, such as health care, the economy, energy, recession, etc. Frankly, both McCain and Obama are stupid on these issues. Does Obama think that his one stupid argument is enough to defeat a decorated war hero? Especially after we find out all the skeletons and junk that the Republicans will expose about him? He will be ripped to shreds and end up being sorry that he even opened up that “I voted against the war” can of worms. McCain will turn the tables on him so quick…what a joke.
Posted by: Patricia Mejia | February 10, 2008, 4:37 pm 4:37 pm
shame on the network….shuster should NOT be invited back. and Chris Matthews don’t be an A H…..
Posted by: Penny Howe | February 10, 2008, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm
Sexism is alive and well and living in the good old USA. I am so tired of people attacking Hillary for every breath she takes. This is not about the issues, this is about Hillary being a woman. If she cries she is too weak if she doesn’t show emotion she is cold hearted. This simply boils down to history repeating itself. When women were fighting for the right to vote the good old boys got together and decided to give the vote to the black man; not really what they wanted but better a man than a woman. There are a lot of men and sadly women for that matter who simply hate women and prefer them powerless. I would challenge people to look at the issues when voting. Look at both candidates and their stance on the issues, their experience and what they would bring to the Presidency. Investigate them both thoroughly before making a decision. If you think Hillary is the most qualified but just can’t seem to bring yourself to vote for a women, you have some soul searching to do. If you can’t vote for yourself then do it for your daughters so they will know that they really can grow up to be anything they want. Do it for your Mother, wife, girlfriend, sister. And for God’s sake show Hillary the same respect you would want for the women you love and care about.
Posted by: Firefighter | February 10, 2008, 4:49 pm 4:49 pm
Patricia Mejia
But this discussion about the ethics and integrity of Hillary Clinton making a mountain out of a molehill and not on the relative merits of the two candidates.
It is a peek inside the mentality that rules the Clinton camp.
Absent any other candidate, the question I have been asking myself is whether I can support a candidate who engages consistently in dirty politics, a woman who decries the use of gender politics unless she is using it herself, who manipulates the political coverage by mounting ‘events’ to get the sympathy vote when things are not going well for her.
Of course it is important to win the election, but it is also important to win with some integrity intact. I don’t see that integrity in Hillary Clinton, and this incident with a single word is a perfect example of what I view is wrong with her campaign.
And, by the way, I don’t think all of us who question the overreaction of Hillary Clinton in this case are Obama lovers. We are, I believe, simply folks who don’t want a continuation of politics as usual, who think it is all right to try to rise above rather than sink below.
Posted by: kitty | February 10, 2008, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm
Firefighter
If you think we should throw careful consideration to the wind and vote for a woman simply because she is a woman, then you are asking us to give up our rights as American to exercise our rights as voters.
I resent the implication that if I fail to vote for Hillary Clinton I am somehow failing my daughters, my mother, my sisters, my aunts….what a load of bull. If the only qualifications a person has to carry into the WH is sex, then something is WRONG with this country, and you should be ashamed of yourself for even suggesting we should disregard our independence to line up behind a woman candidate.
I have no problem voting for a woman candidate. I have no problem voting for a black candidate. I have no problem voting for a black woman candidate. What I do have a problem with it anyone insisting I vote for someone I may not agree has merit.
It is possible, though I doubt you have thought of this, that some of us who would have no problem voting for a woman have a problem voting for this woman.
And about the sexism that is alive and well in this country: the ONLY time Hillary displays her gender is when the news is bad, she is falling behind in polls, or she is running out of money. Then all of a sudden the tears start, the piling on begins, the outrage appears. I personnally find that sort of convenient usage of gender disgusting, because it is dishonest.
And that is why I am leaning toward a different candidate–not because I am against a woman being in the WH, but because I want a woman I can trust and respect there, and I am not sure this one is that woman.
And don’t bother to tell me I am failing my female friends and relatives, because the ONLY way I can do that is follow like a lemming and vote for a woman simply because I am one.
Posted by: Deb | February 10, 2008, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm
Attention America;Patty Solis Doyle is stepping down as Clintons Campaign Manager!What I want to know is, what Is the true reason she is stepping down? One dont just jump up in the middle of a Campaign and call it quits!
Posted by: Listen Up | February 10, 2008, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm
Yea come on Patty Doyle, I bet your holding information that would send Obama straight into Office!
Posted by: Demo Rules | February 10, 2008, 5:22 pm 5:22 pm
Martha Ann Roots-Woods
I am pretty much a liberal, broadminded person. I support free-will of speech. Yes some basic respect, but not too much control of what someone says. David Shuster gets paid for freedom of speech so how can Hillary take his livelihood away. Now she is paying for that already. Her campaign manager Pattie Dole has stepped down because of money problems. I heard that it is quite a bit of ciaos in her camp. God doesn’t like ugliness and she is in a predicament with that. I really think Hillary is getting ready cry again and all Americans will hear her sob.
Posted by: Martha Ann | February 10, 2008, 5:22 pm 5:22 pm
This topic is old news now! Come on News Media, tell us more about Hillary’s Campaign Manager stepping down? also tell us about Hillary and McCain traveling around together being buddy, buddy?
Posted by: Listen Up | February 10, 2008, 5:35 pm 5:35 pm
I think all of these TV talking heads are being pimped out by their “news” organizations. They’ll say anyhting for ratings. I heard Sam Donaldson talking about some woman posing nude on the cover of some publication. This was on the Roundtable discussion. Which woman was he talking about? Don’t these men know how to do business with women without condescending sexist remarks? The US should be ashamed of exhibiting sexist behavior in this campaign given the countries that have long ago been comfortable with woman in leadership role. We are so backwards!
Posted by: Hugo | February 10, 2008, 6:06 pm 6:06 pm
All this political madness is making Mike Huckabee look more and more normal, yet he’s not going to win.
Posted by: facing reality | February 10, 2008, 6:18 pm 6:18 pm
I am more worried about the bait and switch the Hillary Campaign is offering you than worrying about sullying young Chelsea’s reputation. They are offering you Hillarycare and you will get the rise of a Stalinist State right here in America. Try to look through the smoke and ignore the mirrors. During the first eight years they shipped out our jobs to India by fiber cables and China (shipping in cheap products to stores like WALMART), gutted the military, and there was an infusion of spending from the money that wasn’t being spent on the military (there supposed economic miracle, otherwise known as the cold war ending). 9/11 was not an inside job, but we were left vunerable after the Clinton’s gutted the defense apparatus in this country. There were lag ramifications for their policies and it took long enough for their policies to achieve full effect that we blamed some of it on the Bush Administration. They saw no need for the military, nor do they see a need now. Remember, communism comes around when the capitalism collapses. It is their stated intention to “slow down the economy” (Bill Clinton 1/31/08). No point arguing with most of you, the wool is over your eyes. You will vote for Hillary because she is a woman and pretends to espouse your values. There was a secret plan to destroy the military industrial complex in the waning days of the Clinton Administration. They signed on with the plutocrats, like Marc Rich, because they had a match made in heavy. Creating a low wage society in America serves the wealthy and gives the communists a strategic window. The end of the plutocrats is the last stage of creating their Stalinist State. Don’t be suprised when the time comes for me to say “I told you so.” The end of capitalism and possibly democracy is just a chad away in a ballot box near you. Anything but Hillary 08.
Posted by: BlackwaterJon | February 10, 2008, 7:18 pm 7:18 pm
As for Hillary’s Iraq war vote, that was a no-brainer. Anything to exacerbate the dire economic straights America is in. The Iraq war vote plays well into her plan to strip our jobs and assets. AMERICA will be bankrupt under Clinton. Let the Voter Beware. Jon
Posted by: BlackwaterJon | February 10, 2008, 7:47 pm 7:47 pm
Prayers for Mr. Shuster, he is now a condemned man.
What a windfall for Hillary!
If MSNBC doesn’t fire Shuster, Hillary plays the MOC (moral outrage card) and gets to sit out a debate with Barack (where she looks old and shreeky).
If MSNBC fires Shuster, Hillary sends a message to voters that she will repress the opposition and sends a message to corporate American not to mess with Hillary. She wins either way!
Of course, it never dawned on Hillary not to use her own daughter .
Posted by: Elise | February 10, 2008, 7:51 pm 7:51 pm
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OBAMA will do NO WRONG
OBAMA is like JFK But Better
Posted by: obasmack | February 10, 2008, 8:14 pm 8:14 pm
OBAMA is lord, Change that you can believe. Come to OBAMA and He will lead the way to a better America.Black RULES, Black Supremacy, OBAMA Ultima, OBAMA now and forever. OBAMA Powerful, Support OBAMA or DOOM with you all.OBAMA is powerful, BUT first let vote for him and when he is in office, He will rule the world. The OBAMA way, The way that you can believe. OBAMA is supreme being, He is perfect and very very eloquent to you all. All other candidate are fools. OBAMA 08, You are the greatest. ALL the American VOTES belong to OBAMA. Get to know the perfect and supreme OBAMA or you be sorry to vote the other one.HA HA HAOBAMA 08 is GUARANTEE…. FACT SAYS BY THEMSELVES, LOUSIANA, WASHINGSTON and NEBRASKA.OBAMA WILL RULE THE WORLD and there is no stopping him.VOTE for OBAMA and America will be grateful they did it.IT is OBAMA or nothing.The Hell with Rest!!!!Next Maine, … coming soon Virginia….etc etc THAN the world..Don’t Underestimate the power of BLACK Supremacy!!! OBAMA Rules!!!!!! OBAMA 08, You may hate OBAMA but, The result is against YOU haters… YOU who dont vote OBAMA just cant win.HA HA HA … Come to OBAMA
OBAMA will do NO WRONG
OBAMA is like JFK But Better
Posted by: obasmack | February 10, 2008, 8:18 pm 8:18 pm
Hillary’s favorite song (get used to it, we will hear it often under President Clinton):
Unbreakable union of free republics,
Great Russia has joined forever!
Long live the created by the will of peoples
United and mighty Soviet Union
CHORUS:
To Glory, our free Fatherland
The stronghold of the friendship of peoples
Party of Lenin is the power of the people
It leads us to the triumph of Communism
2.
Through storms the sun of freedom shone to us
And the great Lenin lighted us the way
He raised peoples to the right cause
He inspired us for labour and for acts of heroism
CHORUS
3.
In the victory of the immortal ideas of Communism
We see the future of our country,
And to the Red banner of our glorious Fatherland
We shall always be selflessly loyal
CHORUS
Posted by: BlackwaterJon | February 10, 2008, 8:45 pm 8:45 pm
The News Media, is predicting that Obama has won Maine.Obama will bring a fresh start to this Country.Obama is younger/new Politics, and Hillary is the old politics!Voting for Hillary is taking a step backwards, even her own Campaign Manager stepped down!
Posted by: Demo Rules | February 10, 2008, 9:03 pm 9:03 pm
Deb
I believe what I said was that you should only vote for Hillary after you have weighed all the issues and determined who has the best qualifications for the job. At that point you should try to get past the fact she is a woman and vote for her. I hear so many people say you shouldn’t vote for someone just because of their gender or their race; the same applies for voting against them. You protest too much, I must have hit a nerve…..
Posted by: Firefighter | February 10, 2008, 9:05 pm 9:05 pm
Firefighter
Nope, not a nerve. I am just so tired of being told that because I am female I have not choice. And you pretty much said that unless there is compelling reasons not to vote for her, I should, in honor of all the women in my life.
I think this should be a gender-less and race-less campaign, and I don’t think that there is any persuasive reason to vote for a candidate on the basis of either. I find posts like yours unfortunate.
Sorry.
Posted by: Deb | February 10, 2008, 9:35 pm 9:35 pm
If Clinton is a candidate of integrity, then I won’t expect to see her at the debate since she is so offended by MSNBC’s coverage of the election. If she does show up, I will be interested in hearing her reasons for forgetting that she is a mother first.
It should be an interesting two months coming up. If nothing else, the campaigns are generating a lot of interest.
Posted by: Deb | February 10, 2008, 9:40 pm 9:40 pm
Hillary’s own Campaign Manager stepped down today, maybe her supporters will wake up and see her own staff is abandoning ship!Im sure her Campaign manager has enough info on her to send Obama straight to the White House!
Posted by: Listen Up | February 10, 2008, 10:06 pm 10:06 pm
I don’t see anything wrong with the comment.
The campaign should have and could have used the comment to there advantage. They could have flipped. Yes I’m out there working hard trying to get my mother the nomination. They could have used Jay-z song Big Pimping spending cheese in the back ground. She could have pulled a lot of young voters with that one. But neither can chelsea or hillary connect with the young people.
Posted by: IDK924 | February 11, 2008, 1:23 am 1:23 am
America has become ‘oversensitive. Words that ordinarily mean simple things are taken out of contest. I didn’t think someone the caliber of Hillary Clinton would find offensive the word ‘pimp out’. Pimp is a MAN who gets customers for prostitutes. Hillary’s campaign is not operating prostitution and therefore cannot use her daughter to get customers. It is just a matter of expression. David Shuster, a fine reporter for MSNBC, did not mean any harm, so stop being too sensitive over nothing. I am a mother too.
Posted by: Kizeem | February 11, 2008, 2:20 am 2:20 am
for those of you who think that Hillary is overreacting or being hypocritical, what if reporters referred to bush’s daughters as “pimping” for votes? would it be “ok” then? YOU are the ones who are hypcrites. if 9/11 had happened on President Clinton’s watch, you would have blamed him. anytime 9/11 comes up, you republicans don’t blame bush for his lack of effort or ignoring important intelligence, you just blame President Clinton and you blame a reporter’s lack of decency on Hillary.
Posted by: tulcak | February 11, 2008, 6:57 am 6:57 am
Martha Ann Roots-Woods, IN
MSNBC’s David Shuster should be reporting today. I appreciate reasonable and a sense of balanced reporting that is not too tailored. Bring it on! We are all adults, including Chelsea Clinton. Bring David Shuster back so he can give us the real scoop on the zigzag politics Hillary is using and rushing to Senator John Edward’s home. Hillary just can’t come straight to the people of America to save her life. She is working under-the-table as much as she possible can. It is shameful how the first woman that has a possible chance to be president of the United States is behaving; shame on Senator Hillary Clinton. Why doesn’t she just find a way to get to the people and let the people decide?
Americans has been focusing on Senator Barack Obama in record numbers and that is because we believe that he is our hope for a change and the turning of a great page in the United States of America. History is being made and we turn our focus on another very important person to make a very important decision to do the right thing for all Americans. Senator Edward my respect to you; I have thought about the fact that now that you are no longer in the race for president and the good side of it being that you are now able to get some much needed rest. God bless you and your family.
Posted by: Martha Ann | February 11, 2008, 8:28 am 8:28 am
Hillary’s campaign manager didn’t “step down”. My guess was she got canned. Hillary’s got to blame someone for what’s not going right in her campaign. Kind of like changing pitchers in the bottom of the 7th with bases loaded and a 2-run lead. It probably won’t make any difference.
Posted by: Sandra Johanson | February 11, 2008, 8:29 am 8:29 am
Can you say Monica Lewinski? Wake up people, they are the same Clintons, different day. Don’t let them make fools of the USA again.
Posted by: Diane M | February 11, 2008, 8:43 am 8:43 am
Clinton & McCain do alot of traveling around together; This is what a Top News Paper lady said on the Matthews Show, Sunday Morn.So if this is the case then Hillary needs to STOP, saying she is the best canidate to run against who? her travel buddie!
Posted by: Demo Rules | February 11, 2008, 8:47 am 8:47 am
I’m amazed – the world is turned topsy-turvy, when President Clinton uses the characterization of “fairytale” when speaking of a stance of Obama’s he is attacked from all sides and requested to go sit in the corner and never come out again. When a journalist uses the term “pimping out” in a characterization of President Clinton’s daughter, the general consensus seems to be “whatever” what’s the big deal? If this type of thing had occurred in a public school, where a teacher characterized one of the students with “pimping out”, or referred to something the student did or thought as a “fairytale” which do you think would be more offensive?
Posted by: american2 | February 11, 2008, 9:02 am 9:02 am
Martha Ann Roots-Woods,IN
Hillary’s campaign manager didn’t “step down”. Oh my beg, she stepped aside. And look ah there the old party players are coming forward.
Posted by: Martha Ann | February 11, 2008, 9:21 am 9:21 am
Diane M, can you say “lying us into war”, “haliburton”, “WMDs”, “wire-tapping”, “patriot act”, “torture”, “water boarding”, outing a CIA operative”, “destroying tapes of torture”, “destroying emails at the JD”, “not signing kyoto”, “recession”, “increase in terrorism”, “begging for oil from the sauid family”, “moron”… President Clinton got a bj in the white house and lied about it – seems pretty tame compared to the treasonous and impeachable offenses mentioned above about bush…
Posted by: tulcak | February 11, 2008, 9:33 am 9:33 am
forgot “katrina”, “ARMPAC”, “diebold”, “secret energy meeting”, “lies about Iran”, “world-wide ridicule and hatred of the US”, “the devaluation of the dollar”, “failed and sleazy business deals”, “AWOL from Vietnam”, “the victory rally on an aircraft carrier”, “no child left behind”, “Iraq’s nuclear program”, “downing street memo”, “idiocy”…
Posted by: tulcak | February 11, 2008, 9:40 am 9:40 am
Diane M, and all you can say is “Monica Lewinsky”?…
Posted by: tulcak | February 11, 2008, 9:42 am 9:42 am
Let’s not put Hillary in office
Hillary Clinton’s Culture of Corruption: The Scandal Queen
The Fraudulent Senator: Part 1 of a 7 Part Series
Joan Swirsky, Featured Writer
March 13, 2006
Once upon a time the woman who former Democrat House Ways and Means Committee Chairman and convicted felon Dan Rostenkowski was credited with calling “the smartest woman in the world” decided that departing the pinnacle of world power at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue – where she was co-president of the U.S. for eight years – was unacceptable.
In no time, she decided that the fastest route to regaining that power was to spend as few years as possible as the junior senator from New York and then move onward and upward to reclaim what she believes is her rightful place in history as the first female president of the United States of America.
Hillary Rodham Clinton promptly relocated to the Empire State and moved into an upscale house financed by the former chairman of the
Posted by: Martha Ann | February 11, 2008, 9:53 am 9:53 am
Tulcat again you miss represent the facts.
Posted by: Jim Rod | February 11, 2008, 10:10 am 10:10 am
Again it is worth noting, that the stinky pile the IMESS laid on that network will affect them and the nbc parents.
Posted by: daddyblue | February 11, 2008, 10:11 am 10:11 am
I guess when Michelle Obama campaigns we will call upon Don Imus to make the appropriate comments. Then posters who feel it is okay to slime the Clintons One standard for all.
Didn’t hear the Romney boys were pimping for their father?
Double Standard is well. I really want Obama to win. Then his followers will react to the Republican slime machine with a : oh well that’s okay. We did it to the Clintons. McCain/Rove are just doing the same.
Posted by: Alan | February 11, 2008, 10:33 am 10:33 am
Martha Ann Roots-Woods
Whosoever think that White men are not voting for Senator Clinton because they just doesn’t want to see a woman in office must not have an knowledge of the long criminal history the Clinton’s. White men are voting as wise men. They are voting their hearts. They love the Democratic Party. And there are some other bonuses to be gained, a closer working relationship with people of color.
Posted by: Martha Ann | February 11, 2008, 10:39 am 10:39 am
Whosoever think that White men are not voting for Senator Clinton because they just doesn’t want to see a women in office must not have any knowledge of the long criminal history of the Clinton’s. White men are voting as wise men. They are voting their hearts. They love the Democratic Party. And there are some other bonuses to be gained, a closer working relationship with people of color.
Posted by: Martha Ann | February 11, 2008, 10:44 am 10:44 am
Hillary is not being slammed because she is a woman. She is being slammed because of who she is and what she does. Quite frankly I”m sick to death of the Clinton’s and all the garbage they bring with them. Their sense of entitlement aggravates me and shows how shallow they are. “Can’t stand the heat”, well, you know the rest!
Posted by: Margie Le Clair | February 11, 2008, 11:43 am 11:43 am
Martha Ann Roots-Woods
Whosoever think that White men are not voting for Senator Clinton because they just don’t want to see a woman in office must not have an knowledge of the long criminal history of the Clinton’s. White men are voting as wise men. They are voting their hearts. They love the Democratic Party. And there are some other bonuses to be gained such as a closer working relationship with people of color.
Posted by: Martha Ann | February 11, 2008, 11:48 am 11:48 am
I am so sick & tired of everytime you say something negative about Obama it racism. Why is it you can’t be negative about a black person but you can about a women. I AM SICK OF IT, if it’s not Hillary, then I’m voting Mc Cain, A real HERO.
Posted by: Barbara | February 11, 2008, 11:59 am 11:59 am
excuse me, please.
can’t we just admit that America has had
a soft spot for Chelsea Clinton since
her family moved into the White House on
January 20, 1993.
and that despite claims to be shelter-
ing their daughter from the spotlight
so she could grow up like a normal kid,
whenever they needed to shave a few
points off the negative polling -
Chelsea was pulled out of school for the
day to appear in a staged tag-along for
network nightly news.
But Chelsea’s a trooper, and if Daddy is
facing impeachment – then America’s
favorite good daughter is happy to
fly across the country from Palo Alto
and back for a few seconds of footage
of a normal american first family
pulling together under adversity.
Doesn’t anyone remember how Mrs. Clinton
and Linda Bloodworth saved the
presidency by swapping out the crippling imagery of salacious
infidelity and replaced it by a candid
private moment we saw mommy and daddy
and Chelsea in their frumpy bathing
suits so all alone on the beach in the
Caribean.
Footage courtesy of a lucky paparazzi
on a boat far away using a telephoto
lens. yeah right.
of course, you can’t
expect the secret service to be able
to always prevent someone from getting
a straight shot at the president when he is in private.
and you can’t expect the average
american to understand how we are being
manipulated and exploited daily by
staged and scripted events which are
PIMPED OUT as spontaneous and authentic.
Posted by: p.f. stone | February 11, 2008, 2:16 pm 2:16 pm
Shame on you NBC, MSNBC for so shamelessly in the OBama camp.
Your coverage of the primary is lopsided and unbalanced.
Barack OBama’s rallies are looking like rock concert groupies.
Senator Hillary Clinton has always worked hard for the United States of America. I endorsed her and believed she is exactly what we need in this time of crisis.
Posted by: SK Walsh | February 11, 2008, 4:32 pm 4:32 pm
Just stop with accusations of bias. ABC, NBC are not biased toward Obama or anyone else. These bias accusation are tired and small-minded.
Posted by: Dem in Chicago | February 11, 2008, 5:22 pm 5:22 pm
I don’t trust Clinton. She wants to be president so bad, that she has had a memory loss about her husband’s extra-marital affairs. Who can forget her bold hostile statement that her husband did not cheat. Or his for a matter of fact as he so eloquently pointed his shaking finger in the faces of all Americana denouncing haveing any sexual contact with Monica Lewinsky. Then after months and months of ongoing investigation and meetings, OH MY! He was convicted, admitted his infidelity and now wants to go on down the road as if nothing happened. What would another 8 years of these 2 people demonstrate to our children in America or anywhere else about morales. Is it only O.K. if the president committs the inappropriate behavior or is it also okay if the first lady/wannabe president stands by her man, which to me states she feels his behavior is appropriate. I’m sure that if the question were posed they would say this is a private matter between them and part of their personal/private relationship. No Way, he made it public when he had Monica in America’s House.
Posted by: Cindy | February 11, 2008, 7:20 pm 7:20 pm
Please, she is 27 years old, if she can’t take the heat stay out of the kitchen…
Posted by: DEonna Abruzzi | February 11, 2008, 8:07 pm 8:07 pm
Superdelagates, she can be pimped she is not a child.
That’s on Google
Chelsea Clinton has a magnetic personality, are unconventional, and a bit unpredictable. Chelsea loves to flirt and is likely to have sudden romantic relationships that do not always last. Chelsea Clinton likes variety and always is seeking new experiences with people.
Her love feelings and desires are easily aroused but she may find it difficult to sustain her romantic interest in relationships after the initial, exciting “chase and conquest”. Chelsea Clinton enjoys a dynamic partner with a strong independent streak, and she does not like things to become too peaceful or predictable in the love arena. Chelsea wants to see sparks fly once in awhile, even if it means instigating a fight.
Posted by: Martha Ann, Indianapolis, IN | February 11, 2008, 8:08 pm 8:08 pm
Chelsea Clinton pimped out for a possibility of visiting or perhaps even a chance to be a bride at a White House wedding.
Posted by: Martha Ann, Indianapolis, IN | February 11, 2008, 8:36 pm 8:36 pm
Don’t ever under estimate the tenacity of the Clinton’s in pursuit for the White house. Let’s watch and see, it will get much more interesting. I have been reading so much.
Posted by: Martha Ann, Indianapolis, IN | February 12, 2008, 12:45 am 12:45 am
Get real Hillary. Where was the outcry from you when your husband pimped out an 20 year old intern.
Posted by: Mitch | February 12, 2008, 8:58 am 8:58 am
This looks to be strong arm tactics by the Clintons and very similar to Bush’s crap when he says agree with me and my policies or you are anti-American. Someone stating an opinion such as Matthews on how he belives she got her seat is just that, an opinion. But for Clinton to threaten a boycott in response is ludicris and quite telling.
Posted by: charlotte mayfield | February 12, 2008, 11:11 am 11:11 am
The use of the word “pimping” only underscores how coarse and crude our society has become. We are suffering a severe deficit of respect toward our fellow citizens, and this only proves it.
Posted by: LG | February 12, 2008, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm
Charlotte, the word is “ludicROUS.”
Posted by: Gravyboy | February 13, 2008, 10:46 pm 10:46 pm
Hillary is without hope and that is what we are hoping for. Hope that our servicemen and women will come home soon. Hope that Illegal immigration problems will be corrected. Hope that all Americans’ despite race or gender can server as commander and chief of this country. Hope for better schools. Hope to believe in the justice system of the U.S.A. Hope that tricks and superdelegates do not divide and concur the Democratic Party and thereby the United States. Hope that those we selected and elected to represent us will do the right thing and listen to us. Hope that are votes count for thing.
Posted by: Martha Ann, IN | February 14, 2008, 10:56 am 10:56 am
It is hot in the kitchen. I am a poor very education Black woman and am glad to be an American. Born and raised in this country. Has always been dominated by White men and White women and I still love them for real. But that is and has been my frustration in living in this free country. Look like it just might be a better day and Whites and Black people can really sit at the same table.
Posted by: Martha Ann, IN | February 20, 2008, 7:00 pm 7:00 pm
I am an American. I am a proud Black woman. I am a believer in equlity. I am an educated person. I am tired of the wars that have been broadcasted in the media all my adult life. I am ready for a change in the political party that as dominated my family attention for the last 35 years. I think it is time for change. Keep the focus. America a country of social equality is much closer. I think Obama. We are in a struggle for a better America that I can love much more.
Posted by: Martha Ann, IN | February 20, 2008, 7:36 pm 7:36 pm
Welcome back David Shuster. You have my attention.
Posted by: Martha Ann, IN | February 26, 2008, 5:29 pm 5:29 pm
I support Obama
Posted by: Martha Ann, IN | February 26, 2008, 10:37 pm 10:37 pm
An Analysis of the Alinsky Model American Radicals are to be found wherever and whenever America
moves closer to the fulfillment of its democratic dream. Whenever
America’s hearts are breaking, these American Radicals were and are.
America was begun by its Radicals. The hope and future of America
lies with its Radicals. And we love America very much don’t we Hillary Clinton.
Posted by: Martha Ann, IN | March 14, 2008, 9:06 pm 9:06 pm