Hillary Si! Obama No! — Que?
One of the big developments on the Democratic side last night was the huge turnout by Latinos for Sen. Hillary Clinton, winning that key demographic by a two-to-one margin in two states Sen. Barack Obama lost — New Jersey and California.
Forget for our purposes the black-brown divide, as seen with the comment by Clinton pollster (and Latino voting expert) Sergio Bendixen who told the New Yorker "the Hispanic voter — and I want to say this very carefully — has not shown a lot of willingness or affinity to support black candidates." (A notion factually disputed by LA Times columnist Gregory Rodriguez HERE).
And forget for our purposes the notion of endorsements — Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, Cesar Chavez’s grandson, and United Farm Workers Union co-founder Dolores Huerta for Clinton…Rep. Congressman Xavier Becerra, D-Calif., Sen. Eduardo Kennedy, D-Mass, for Obama…
Let’s focus on issues.
Because it seems to this gringo that Obama has a decent case to make.
Yes, the Clintons have a long and proud record of reaching out to Latinos, and former President Bill Clinton was the first to put two Latinos in his Cabinet simultaneously.
But Sen. Hillary Clinton has decidedly carved out a more moderate — dare I say conservative? — position on illegal immigration.
Surely some observers will see this as wise positioning for the general election. And yes, that’s smart politics. And it’s also in alignment with how the American people in general feel about the issue.
But Clinton’s middle ground could seem to be a position that would alienate some Latinos.
The fact that she’s been able to stake out this middle ground while winning Latinos would indicate defter political skills than she’s given credit for, as well as a failure by the Obama campaign.
In Iowa last December, for instance, Clinton sent out this mailer opposing drivers licenses for “Those Who Are Here Illegally.” (An issue where she differs from Obama.)
The mailer called for “tougher penalties on companies that employ illegal immigrants” and “no drivers licenses for those who are here illegally."
Reasonable positions, you might think, but surely not ones that would necessarily lead to a 2-1 victory among Latinos a few weeks later.
When I first really realized how un-liberal her position on illegal immigration was, you may recall the quiz I gave readers, asking them to guess the candidate based on the rhetoric. The rhetoric (in Iowa, at least) is to the right of Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz.
"Now, some people say, ‘OK round everybody up and deport them," she said. "That sounds really good. I hear that on TV, I hear it on the radio. But let me ask you how that actually works. You see, I don’t want to tell you something that sounds good and then have you wake up later and say, ‘Wait a minute –nobody said it was going to cost that much or be that hard.’"
It’s not a humanitarian argument against rounding people up — it’s a pragmatic, budgetary one.
And, we should note, this isn’t new.
In a February 2003 radio interview with WABC, Clinton said, “I am, you know, adamantly against illegal immigrants.”
She called for "at least a visa ID, some kind of an entry and exit ID. And, you know, perhaps, although I’m not a big fan of it, we might have to move towards an ID system even for citizens."
"People have to stop employing illegal immigrants," she said. "I mean, come up to Westchester, go to Suffolk and Nassau counties, stand on the street corners in Brooklyn or the Bronx; you’re going to see loads of people waiting to get picked up to go do yard work and construction work and domestic work."
This has gotten her some positive attention on the right, such as here at NewsMax.com.
Conservative commentator Tony Blankley called her remarks "Pat Buchanan-esque."
He meant it as a compliment.
"I never thought I would write the following words," Blankley wrote, "but: God bless Hillary Clinton."
Perhaps there are some Latino readers out there who can shed some light on this…I find it a bit confounding.
– jpt
UPDATE: A colleague writes to ask me why I assume Latino voters, most of whom are legal immigrants/citizens, oppose stricter measures against illegal immigration. The answer: because polling says so, as you can read HERE in a Pew Hispanic Center report from December 2007.
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African American voters have been voting for white candidates for years, and Latinos have the audacity to not vote for an african american candidate based on the color of his skin?
This election cycle has convinced me that this country will never get over its racist past, and now latinos have jumped on the racist wagon.
I find it amusing how whites belittle african americans for voting for the best candidate that just happens to have brown skin….interesting!
John McCain will be our next president and we will have hillary supporters and latinos to thank for that!
Si se puede, for sure!!
Posted by: LA in Indiana | February 6, 2008, 10:38 am 10:38 am
I am a fully assimulated latino and very disappointed to hear that someone/anyone could be so stupid as to vote for hillary clinton.
Ideas are what counts: and Ron Paul and Obama are the only two I see so far that actually generate new ones. I am so not interested in hearing about the first black president crap, get over it.
Posted by: MuyDisappointed | February 6, 2008, 10:44 am 10:44 am
Please. No moral high horse here. African American vote is going overwhelmingly for Obama; white woman for Hillary. The rest of us vote according to the delegate that best reflects our interest. Clinton has a realistic approach to immigration and one that the voting/registered Latino community in the US agrees with. I’m Latino and I am for security in our borders. Hillary offers the realistic approach, but most of all, she is not lying to us. She is telling us exactly how she is going to approach the issue which is far more than Obama or any of the Republicans dare do. She got “mi voto” because she is the best delegate. The reason that should qualify anyone, black, latino, white, etc to be president of the US.
Posted by: Kel | February 6, 2008, 10:53 am 10:53 am
I’m sure those interested in the first black president will surely ‘get over it’. Most voters will hold their noses and vote for John McCain, as Most do not want the Clintons back in the white house, period.
Posted by: LA in Indiana | February 6, 2008, 10:55 am 10:55 am
I hope most folks see through Hillary. She uses whoever she needs to inorder to get elected.
Has everyone noticed how close New Mexico is right now? Hillary is running off of her husbands reputation when it suites her and she shuts him up when it doesn’t. We need someone who has integrity, sticks to their word and doesn’t say what the polls suggest it nice to hear.
Finally,does everyone really want Bill, wandering in the white house and in close proximity with interns again!
Go Barack! He can unify the democratic party, the nation and send a clear message we are a nation of immigrants and blended cultures!
Posted by: Diane | February 6, 2008, 10:58 am 10:58 am
This IS an interesting paradox indeed. Or at least I can see how it can SEEM that way. But one thing you must understand about the latin culture is that latinos like to WIN, be it in sports or politics.
That being the case, latinos will more often than not support whoever is perceived as “the strongest” and not necessarily “the best suited”, simply because we believe that we have better chances of winning.
Just like Clinton’s own comment, it comes down to pragmatism, really, and it has very little to do with race and/or gender: Hillary’s the perceived champ, Obama is the contender, a worthy one mind you, but only that for most latinos.
Latinos know that they have very little to gain with another 4 years of republican rule and therefore, they are choosing the one candidate they believe has the best option to prevail.
Plain and simple
Posted by: Erick Bertin | February 6, 2008, 11:00 am 11:00 am
It is a minority complex where the largest population group is white. However one day latinos and blacks will come together, support and better understand each other. The more they learn about Obama’s positions, the more they will embrasse him and his candidacy.
Posted by: BKMC | February 6, 2008, 11:08 am 11:08 am
Has anyone bothered to read the platforms? They are exactly the same. The only difference is Obama’s vocal support for driver’s licenses and that doesn’t appear on his platform. Clinton has a long history of supporting Latinos, Obama has no history of supporting Latinos.
Posted by: M.C. | February 6, 2008, 11:10 am 11:10 am
JPT, most the latinos who voted for Hillary either don’t have immigration as their top issue or do not know where she stands on it. Let’s face it latinos worry about health care, the economy and other issues too.
Another issue with Barack was just time, he was closing in but did not have enough time to seal the deal in CA. There were too few days between South Carolina and California to overcome a 30 pt deficit. He did very well in CA considering. The more latinos and others get to know him, the more they liked him. Clinton won (in part) because of early voting. If you go to her site she has a big red button for absentee ballots requests (Barack does not). It was really strategic to lock in the votes early while she was ahead in the polls.
The media is making too much of this. Latinos vote for Clinton because they know her more and they probably agree with her on other issues.
I voted for Obama.
Posted by: Alan | February 6, 2008, 11:10 am 11:10 am
If Erick is correct, and I am not a Latino so I don’t know, then the hispanic vote just shot itself in the foot.
Does anyone really believe that Hillary Clinton can beat John McCain in a national election? Seriously? I am not attempting to take a swipe at Hillary supporters here. I am interested to hear someone, anyone, make a compelling and empirical case for Hillary being electable in a head-to-head race against McCain.
That alone is reason enough, whether you prefer Hillary or not, to vote for Barack Obama. If Hillary ends up winning the democratic nomination you had better get used to the words “President John McCain.”
Posted by: DJ in Colorado | February 6, 2008, 11:18 am 11:18 am
Settle down folks, these Democratic campaigns will go all the way to the convention. The sun will raise tomorrow and Obama will eventually win the nomination and the election.
Posted by: Aracoma | February 6, 2008, 11:23 am 11:23 am
I read about some Latinos saying that Obama in power will do more for Afro-American than Latinos. This is inferiority complex, I want to see how any Latino will ever have a comparable chance like Obama. This trend will never allow any Latino to seek national office for fear of retaliation from Afro-Americans. Bill and Hill are for themselves, I believe the Latinos can not wait to be servants in the white house. But be sure that MCcain will beat Clinton.
Posted by: Nene | February 6, 2008, 11:25 am 11:25 am
It is very simple folks. There are more stupid people (than smart people) in this nation. Whether they happen to be women or latinos or something else is debatable. Hence, those who appeal to more stupid people will win in the election. This was Rove101 tactic and it always works. Personally, I believe women and recent immigrants aren’t that bright. Sorry but that is a fact!!
Posted by: Richard | February 6, 2008, 11:26 am 11:26 am
Many Latinos come from countries where politicians over dramatically thump their chests and promise the stars, the sun, and the moon. So these Latinos have highly refined BS detectors. They know when somebody is all talk and no substance. Besides, Obama’s hollering and hand wringing reminds us of another hand wringer living in an island off the coast off Florida. Been there, done that.
Posted by: El Gato | February 6, 2008, 11:37 am 11:37 am
Personally, I believe women and recent immigrants aren’t that bright. Sorry but that is a fact!!
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Ha. You are going to have a hard time muttering “Madame President” in a few months. And I will cheer the day male chauvenist idiots like you will once and for all be proven wrong. Women are born leaders, born organizers, and born problem solvers. Maybe guys like you are just a little too worried a woman would outshine her male predecesors in the top job? Get used to it, it’s gonna happen.
Posted by: A woman enraged. | February 6, 2008, 11:42 am 11:42 am
Most latinos that are already citizens are against immigration, even Cubans like myself. That is such a bullshit issue that panders to watering down the labor market for employers tinged with some nationalistic pride in being a lowly contruction laborer.
I think the consensus among the people I know is that we have the ability to shape our country ourselves, We have the right to turn away anybody who was not born here, period. Employers have a different view.
Latinos care about more and broader issues than just bringing every relative to this country. It is such a brilliant reduction for the rest of white and black america to digest. Frankly it makes me ill.
Posted by: MuyDisappointed | February 6, 2008, 11:42 am 11:42 am
El Gato is 100% right.
Americans love what’s behind door number 3. They take it everytime look at the chimp we got now!
Posted by: MuyDisappointed | February 6, 2008, 11:48 am 11:48 am
Nene, please trust me on this, Obama will do more for ALL people in this country. I do not believe, as an african american (since he’s labeled as one, but is he really?) that Obama has any plans to do more for one race over another.
Are whites afraid Hillary (or Bill) will now do more for latinos? Those type thoughts are downright silly.
Obama is asking us to work on our common issues, together. And what I hear, most importantly, is personal responsibility, not handouts, ‘we’ not ‘I’….all races, we can do this together, besides, we all bleed RED.
Posted by: LA in Indiana | February 6, 2008, 11:48 am 11:48 am
Hey get a load of the update…
The simple answer is:
People poll until they get the answer they want.
Posted by: MuyDisappointed | February 6, 2008, 11:56 am 11:56 am
Whoa, jerk. I’m a woman, graduating college, with a 3.85 GPA. As far as I can tell, men and women, black and white- they’re all a mixed bag.
Hispanics and some women might be IGNORANT of the issues because they have not been exposed to them, but it’s very difficult to realize what you are ignorant of when our news media does SUCH a terrible job reporting, but more importantly when it, in some sick way, IGNORES issues.
Ignorant is not the same as dumb. If you sit down and have a heart to heart with the vast majority of any people, be they male, female, purple, red, hispanic, whatever, and they get a chance to discuss, you realize that they’re all aiming for pretty much the same thing. It WASNT hispanics who voted Bush into the white house, that I can tell you. Every group has a little bit of dumb in them!
So keep your mouth shut if you’re just going to write off entire groups of people.
Posted by: Paige | February 6, 2008, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm
La Brown, it sounds like you need a history lesson on african americans in america. And just because someone says something about you, does that make it true? People feed off stereotypes all the time, which makes it sound like you’re the lazy one, not doing your own research, instead choosing to regurgitate what someone else said.
Be careful La Brown, your slip is showing.
Posted by: LA in Indiana | February 6, 2008, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm
Haha, oops.. I was ignorant of the fact that so many people are posting comments, and assumed my post would come directly after the person I criticized. Now I know! My earlier comment is in response to
“…. Rove101 tactic and it always works. Personally, I believe women and recent immigrants aren’t that bright. Sorry but that is a fact!!
Posted by: Richard | Feb 6, 2008 11:26:19 AM”
Posted by: Paige | February 6, 2008, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm
I hate it whenever they stereotype latinos and think that we all think alike, I for one do not support Hillary never will, i’m hispanic and I will vote for Obama not because he’s black that doesn’t matter to me, but he’s a man of integrity just like John McCain that’s what we need for a president!
Posted by: very mad | February 6, 2008, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm
Well, Underneath the COLOR of his skin, OBAMA is still a MAN. Latinos ARE NOT voting for OBAMA because we are RACIST LA in indiana. That is a very senseless comment.
Hillary is FIT to be President, as a WOMAN. Other countries are not so upstight about this as in USA. We are behind in Electing a Woman. Once Hillary makes it in (After all the bias around her) others will follow with the capacity that YES WE CAN, have a WOMAN leader.
I am Woman, Latina and Proud to cast my vote for a REAL commander-Hillary Clinton.
Posted by: Latina for HILLARY | February 6, 2008, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm
Yes there are other groups in America, and Latinos can appreciate the history and tradition of all Americans. American is different from some countries. In America, we respect each other’s history and culture. It’s a two-way deal to be an American. We care about and respect each other’s history. Not just our own.
Posted by: Sal32 | February 6, 2008, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm
Here you go again…
You try your best to defend your buddy Obama. He’s only your buddy until he wins the primary. After which, you will be more than happy to remind us of his ties to that racist preacher, mob guy, votes to fund the war, the rest of his voting record, and lack of experience.
He is the candidate that is truly winning a race war. Women, whites, young, hispanics, are giving more votes to Obama than blacks to Clinton in any state except Arkansas.
Despite your suggestions, Clinton is talking about illegals and stopping the uncontrolled flow. This is not in hispanics best interest to keep this open-door policy. Hispanics need a powerbroker to effect a reasonable solution. Suggesting that Clinton is Pat B. is ridiculous. Just because it doesn’t fit your polling ideas don’t blame hispanics.
You’re right there with Oprah and the Kennedys who thought they were going to make folks go their way. WRONG!!!!!!!
Obama is an empty suite of words. No wonder he likes Reagan. Reagan also had the ability to get a mass of people to vote without regard to their own self-interest.
Blacks, like me, understand that Obama is a an opportunist like all others including Clinton. He is comfortable with this race war of an election because it suites him. Hispanics, women, and other groups are using reason. Blacks are following Obama over that “rainbow”.
Take a real good look at the states he’s won. They are states that Rep. outnumber Dems (GA, AL, SC…) so Dems probably would not win there in the general, states that were Dem but against the war (Conn), MO. (which Hillary actually won in delegates), and Ill. his home state. The caucus states are a joke. I include Iowa and NV in that. A vote is a personal decision not a pick up game of basketball.
Clinton won the states that Dems have to win as well as states that Dems have won before (TN, AR, AZ). Don’t forget FL & MI. I know they don’t count toward the total but you start to get a picture that rank and file dems. want to win and think Clinton is the ticket.
Mr. Obama, I don’t need to hear how great my country is and how I’m the change I seek. I already know that! Save it for Oprah and the mindless!!!!!
Posted by: al | February 6, 2008, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm
What do you think Columbus day is ?
Everyone knows Columbus was from Catalunya, and petitioned Queen Isabella posing as an Italian because Catalunya was against the Spanish Crown.
Do you think having the country called “America” is enough of a holiday for Latinos to get off the Martin Luther King Day bit ?
Pick up a history book, dopes! Read!
Posted by: MuyDisappointed | February 6, 2008, 12:17 pm 12:17 pm
Oh boy… this is definitely NOT the right avenue to go gown people, I tell ya…
This was not, is not, will not and CERTAINLY should NOT be turned into a race/gender/ethnic clash.
I believe that the reason why many of the bloggers are identifying themselves as “latinos” is because the writer of the article actually ASKED for our input and (hopefully) insight.
We ALL have our roots, our ancestry and our heritage, and we ALL have to deal with the misconceptions and stereotypes attached to them, but that’s not the issue being discussed here.
The main issue is: why are the candidates getting the response they are getting? And consequently, what can be expected in the coming weeks/months.
And on to big question: who will be the next one in office?
Posted by: Erick Bertin | February 6, 2008, 12:18 pm 12:18 pm
After taking part in California’s elections last night, and finding out that Obama lost I was thoroughly dissapointed. More so when I found out that latinos voted overwhelmingly for Clinton. But then, reading the posts by latinos here, I can say I am not surprised. White and black Americans seem to have gotten over their blatant racism, it seems some latinos here seemed to have missed the bus.
Posted by: Daphnee | February 6, 2008, 12:19 pm 12:19 pm
All these is about illiterate. We have heard from all media saying so. Less educated and low income people vote for Hillary, and those who are well educated they do not fall into that path.
Hillary knows it and is taking advantage of it.
How can any breathing thinking creature on earth, could vote for the candidate whose candidancy will mobilize the opposition base (Repub.) instead of voting for the candidate who is expanding and attracting new voters to their own Party! Think, think! think!!
Posted by: Peace | February 6, 2008, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm
Erik, I am for Obama. The poster’s name is below the comment.
Thanks for the detailed research.
Posted by: MuyDisappointed | February 6, 2008, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm
Easy mistake to make I guess, Sorry Erik, My comment is intended to IgnoranceIsn’t Bliss.
My apologies.
Posted by: MuyDisappointed | February 6, 2008, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm
Latinos that won’t support Obama because of is skin color is simply a case of one cutting off their nose to spite their face. The preceding article shows that the lives of many latinos will be turned upside down if Senator Clinton wins her bid for the White House. I like Hillary, and I will support her if she wins the nomination, but, I beleive that latinos as a whole will benefit from an Obama presidency. Those latinos who are so opposed to illegal immagrants that they will support a candidate who favors harsh immagration policies, do themselves and their own race a disservice.
Posted by: George | February 6, 2008, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm
Correction:
If that bus pulls out of the DNC with Obama sitting in the back, there will be hell to pay for years to come.
Despicable.
Posted by: Jack | February 6, 2008, 12:34 pm 12:34 pm
Precisely George. Well said. I have been researching this phenomenon all morning, and have found a sad reality within the latin American community. During the census polls, many latinos classify themselves as white, speaking as a white woman living in Los Angeles, I can say without a doubt that 99.9% of latinos I encounter are not white, at least not in our descriptive definition of the term.
Identity politics? Do they identify with Hillary because they believe she represents them? Or is there a more insidious racial undertone to this?
Posted by: Daphnee | February 6, 2008, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm
Sal32, sorry to dissapoint you but Hillary is NOT FIT to be president of this United States! She is getting votes on the back of her husband, not on her own merit. We’ve already had a Clinton in office, for 8 years, and look how he disgraced the office AND the nation, with lies, just to cheat on his wife. The same wife who is now running for president. So it appears, after cheating on her in front of the entire nation, he had to do something to make up for that blunder. Apparently, he promised her the highest office in the land, to save face.
I’m sorry, but pity is not how we pick our presidents. And cheating, like 2000, is not how we pick them either.
Posted by: LA in Indiana | February 6, 2008, 12:43 pm 12:43 pm
It’s no secret that “minority” groups are some of the most racist in America. See: Vincente Fox’s comments regarding Blacks as a prime example. What we call racism, they feel is ethnic pride. Add in the Latina community usurping African Americans as the “Primary Minority” and, whether we like to admit it or not, a Latino vote for Hillary is more than likely a vote against Obama.
Posted by: jim | February 6, 2008, 12:47 pm 12:47 pm
This is in response to Al. I can understand your zeal for your candidate and I support your right to express your commitment. However, you need to step back and take a deep breath. I think that your emotions are clouding your ability to reason through the facts. For instance, Obama never voted to fund the war, do your homework. Moreover, I would hardly consider a man who calls Americans to unity and sacrifice for country an “empty suit.” Perhaps you are unsure of what an empty suit is. Even more, to suggest that Kennedy and Wifrey are not concerned with the issues that matter to latinos is clear evidence that you would be better suited to be Britney Spears roommate at her current place of residence than to spew your insanity on this blog. There is help for you my brother. Go seek it.
Posted by: George | February 6, 2008, 12:49 pm 12:49 pm
That is the worst argument I ever heard.
Martin Luther King day is about Martin Luther King, not African-Americans as a whole, Although it just cause for celebration among that group.
Furthermore:
I can safely say that having a month named after Black History has not given Blacks preferential treatment. Plus, the last time I saw an Affirmative action checkbox it covered hispanics as well.
You cannot cite these as evidence that Black people do not work, or are more lazy than anyone else who is historically low paid.
You can say that employers have slanted the table against them by binging in and using illegal immigrant labor over hiring already unemployed blacks.
Posted by: MuyDisappointed | February 6, 2008, 12:51 pm 12:51 pm
Barack Obama will win the Predentcy with or withoot the Latino vote.
Posted by: Boyddollar | February 6, 2008, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm
Barack Obama will win the Presidentcy with or withoot the Latino vote.
Posted by: Boyddollar | February 6, 2008, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm
My prediction. Republicans have the time now to unite for November. Democrats are terribly fractured. If Hillary wins, blacks will sit home in November. If BO wins, white voters will support Michael Bloomberg if he runs as an independent. If not, white voters will support John McCain, Vietnam hero, who is a moderate with views white voters will support. I am a democrat and this is how I will vote in November. While I have spoken here of blacks and whites, I believe Asian Americans will support Bloomberg or McCain. Latinos, I fear, will feel disenfranchised if Hillary loses and be disinterested in the November elections.
Posted by: benvictor | February 6, 2008, 12:54 pm 12:54 pm
why did people assume latinos would automatically vote for Obama? I have several “hispanic/latino/whatever you want to call them” friends from everywhere from mexico to chile and they wouldnt vote for Obama. its funny how so many are throwing out the race card and yet, assuming that latinos would vote for Obama is racist itself. believe it or not, some people (regardless of skin color) will vote for someone that has a little bit of experience – not the new kid who wants to shake things up thats been in politics for a couple of months. Funny thing is, most the friends I mentioned earlier like Romney anyways. Go Romney Go!!
Posted by: bigfatrepublican | February 6, 2008, 12:54 pm 12:54 pm
You are playing the media’s game. This is BS. Why are we talking about this?
Posted by: Jason | February 6, 2008, 12:57 pm 12:57 pm
John McCain best days are behind him.
Vietnam was a disaster, will McCain try to right the wrong?
Posted by: Boyddollar | February 6, 2008, 12:59 pm 12:59 pm
This all seem so sad and misunderstood.
For one I’m latina, Cuban. I have been in this country for 39 years and I am a US citizen. I voted for Clinton in the primary not because Obama is black, but because I feel this country will never elect a black man into the white house and because I am a democrat I voted for who I felt had a better chance, otherwise I would’ve of voted for Obama. With that said I also want to point out that NOT ALL latinos are in favorite of keeping the immigrants here…I paid my dues and so have many, now days is cross the border and you are in, getting jobs, children being taught in spanish and so on….Life for them have been made way too easy not like it was for us in the 60′s and 70′s…Part of our devasting economy is due to high level of immigration…Go thru the legal process, pay your dues, learn english, adjust and embrace your new country, like most of us have done and contribute to our economy…..Vote Obama, vote Clinton but go out and vote thats what is important!!! We need the change just look where 8 years of Bush and republicans got us!!!!!
Posted by: Julie | February 6, 2008, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm
Barack Obama will win the Presidentcy with or without the Latino vote.
Posted by: Boyddollar | February 6, 2008, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm
Well my observation by both parties and the media is the assumption that all latinos will vote the same way. This is plain idiotic. Second, the fact that a 3rd-4th generation latino U.S citizen will have a completely different stance on immigration than a 1st generation latino U.S citizen. If the media researches this fact and notices that the large majority of latinos who are voting are from the 3rd or 4th generation then it makes sense that Hillary Clinton would win the latino vote.
Posted by: Xavier | February 6, 2008, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm
gee, who woke up Tammy?
Posted by: LA in Indiana | February 6, 2008, 1:03 pm 1:03 pm
I have great faith in Obama, but I want a Real EVIL TIGER IN THE WHITE HOUSE. AND TO ME THAT IS HILLARY AND BILL. The Media alone will Eat Obama up, not to mention the Republicans! At least I know they can fight back. This is not about government, its about who will be willing to destroy the facist conservative movement designed to remove all non white Christian Americans from the US.
Posted by: BronxBoy7117 | February 6, 2008, 1:03 pm 1:03 pm
Guy, and ladies no we need a candiate that can such as Clinton. Obama cant beat republicans. We all know that! So if your a democrat vote Clinton, so at least we have a fighting chance
Posted by: Wes | February 6, 2008, 1:09 pm 1:09 pm
hey julie, im from Miami. I know the story. Cubans were cut the easiest piece of pie ever. Sell your “hard work” somewhere else, because its a bunch of malarkey. Cubans were considered political refugees and given preferential treatment. Everyone else had to jump through hoops. I have friends still trying to become citizens and yet if ten rafters show up in the Keys, two weeks later they are citizens with apartments and receiving government aide.
Posted by: bigfatrepublican | February 6, 2008, 1:10 pm 1:10 pm
Obama will not win the president race. The reason is that more than 80% blacks vote for him. This is not normal.
Posted by: John | February 6, 2008, 1:12 pm 1:12 pm
Anyway, I think Obama did better amongst latinos than expected, or at least as expected.
My impression, though, is that he will get to the White House, with us or without us latinos.
Posted by: J. Perez Acosta | February 6, 2008, 1:12 pm 1:12 pm
The fact that white males and white women are crossing lines to vote for Obama, especially in the mountain states, assures me that Americans have a shared commonality about where our country is going and are concerned about the Hispanics tsking over. First of all, Columbus was Italian(regarding the earlier posts). Secondly, it was the poor Whites and Africans who built this country, not the mexicans. The Mexicans simply want to waltz on into America and take the legacy our ancestors left us, but in a united front, we won’t allo that. Also, America certainly wasn’t ready for a Hispanic president because look how poorly Bill Ricardson did.
Posted by: Gallopodee7 | February 6, 2008, 1:12 pm 1:12 pm
Que? There are a lot of Hispanics that are against illegal immigration as well. This is a growing problem that a lot of states have. Que? Why shouldn’t the Hispanics vote for the candidate they feel will BEST LEAD this country, rather than a candidate that offers dreams?
Que?
Posted by: Lou | February 6, 2008, 1:14 pm 1:14 pm
Obama for president, is kidding. How childish when he snubbed Hillary at the state union. He needs more time and experiences.
Posted by: John | February 6, 2008, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm
*Adjustments
Posted by: Julie | February 6, 2008, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm
I am voting for Hillary Clinton for one reason – she is more qualified than Obama to get the job done. Period. She will win against McCain. His own base doesn’t support him. He’s not “conservative” enough. Most Republicans think that Hillary is more conservative than he is. They also know that Obama is the more liberal of the two (just endorsed by MoveOn.org). McCain is beatable and is only on top due to Huckebee and Romney taking votes away from each other.–Hillary is more centrist, more experienced and will be the next president. Stop all the black, hispanic, women, men, young, old talk. It’s pointless. She would not be ahead if she were not electible.
Posted by: Purple Person | February 6, 2008, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm
Obama ’08!
Posted by: hawkrew | February 6, 2008, 1:20 pm 1:20 pm
John: I don’t think he wanted to deal with a “Cry Baby”.
Posted by: Boyddollar | February 6, 2008, 1:21 pm 1:21 pm
I am a well educated, gay, Latino that voted for our girl, Hillary! I must say I am just shocked at how racist some of these comments are on this blog from people that identify themselves as LIBERALS! My God, people, are you really Liberal if you’re making comments about latinos just wanting to be servents in a Clinton white house? Before you start hating on hispanics for voting for Hill, you need to step back, look at yourself in the mirror and maybe ask youselves if you need to re-register under the Republican party because your comments fit right with them.
Posted by: andy | February 6, 2008, 1:21 pm 1:21 pm
America needs to wake up the Billary Clinton isn’t for the working class people as they try to portray, read the facts….
Posted by: Dinero80 | February 6, 2008, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm
I also amazed at the comments on MSNBC that Latinos would not vote for Obama simply soley because he’s black. If I was ever amazed at the level of racism in this country it was well surpassed with this comment.
If this is true, does the Latino population suddenly believe it has suddeny reached some level of whiteness in America? Think again. I am pretty much disgusted, not only at the comments but that no one thought that there was anything wrong with the veiwpoint.
Posted by: Bram | February 6, 2008, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm
Let’s tell it like it is folks: Most latinos don’t trust black candidates, all else being equal. How else do you explain how Hillary does a waltz around the illegal drivers’ license issue, while Obama supports it, yet Latinos vote 2 to 1 for Hillary? Give me a break. The sad part of all this is that it’s ONLY been Obama who’s been willing to stick his neck out for these people, and they still don’t want to respond. And the other sad thing it says for America is that Hillary may still win the nomination; but if she does, it will only be because of the racist vote.
Posted by: Cedric | February 6, 2008, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm
Let’s see – you are aware that those who entered this country LEGALLY do NOT automatically support the one’s who entered illegally just because of their race or nationality – right??? That being the case – I’d go out on a limb and say they support Clinton over Obama because they agree with her NO license for illegals stance! Duh!!
Posted by: Bruce | February 6, 2008, 1:23 pm 1:23 pm
LA in Indiana – well then I will thank them for helping McCain win.
We do not need either of the socialists.
The fact that Latinos even vote for the Democrats is amazing, because why do they come here then? the socialists will turn this country into Venezula or Cuba given half a chance. The Cubans do not want that and that is why they vote Republican.
FYI it is not the Hispanics that support illegal immigration nor are they against making English the official language. They want to be taught English but the socialized school systems forces them to not to. They want to learn English because they know it is the only way to get anywhere.
Kel – While I agree with you that Obama is lying, and does not say anything, you really got to be kidding if you think Hillary does not lie, She is the Queen of lies.
Diane – ahh the problem, we are not a mixed culture, people need to assimilate into our culture
Posted by: spock | February 6, 2008, 1:24 pm 1:24 pm
Has everyone forgotten that the USA is and has always been made up of diversity in race, religion, and gender?
vote white, vote black, what hispanics are voting is the reason why when it comes to racial equality the good old USA sits at the bottom of the list!!!
Vote for whoever you feel good about, whose ideas mean something to you, who would do good for our children and country!!!!
p.s.
not all hispanic feel the same way!!!
Posted by: Maria | February 6, 2008, 1:24 pm 1:24 pm
Could it be latino’s read papers and understood that Obama’s wife sat on the board of Treehouse (a major Wal-Mart supplier and follower of Wal-mart practices) and closed plants putting hundreds of latino’s out of work?
Could it be they read about Maytag moving its operations to Mexico and Obama stood by watching while collecting all sorts of bundled moent from Mr Crown, a Maytag board of director?
Could it be people read how Obama took in money from his slumlord dirty moeny man Rezko while tenants froze in a deep freeze?
Could it be that latino’s looked at the side of Obama who uses race cards when to his advantage in areas and doesn’t in others?
Could it be that latino’s realize a stump speech to an anti war rally is not a vote in the US Senate when not even a US Senator and then telling Tim Russert he “doesn’t know how he’d vote” if he was a US Senator at the time?
Could it be latino’s want more transparency in Obama before voting for him and taking JUST his stump speeches for granted?
Could it be latino’s know the difference between a self-Prophet and a out for self-PROFIT?
Posted by: me | February 6, 2008, 1:25 pm 1:25 pm
A Poli-Sci professor once said, “…many whites in this room may not agree with me, but its a known fact that racially the only groups that can identify are Hispanics and Whites. Its not Asians and Whites or Blacks and Whites. There is a bigger divide among Asians and Blacks when compared to Whites then that of Hispanics and Whites…” Now really JIM morality is not what we are after, if we were then go away with condoms like tha Vatican has propose for Africans and let HIV run rampant. It doesn’t seem right to judge Clinton without judging all politicians’ little secrets. Its apparent that Hispanics are growing and soon California will become a Hispanic State. So until they pass a law that states its illegal to be Hispanic, its inevitable that they will soon take over California and maybe continue East as a new Manifest Destiny. So who is going to be the first to write a bill? I doubt its possible.
Posted by: Wake Up | February 6, 2008, 1:26 pm 1:26 pm
Obama is WAY off when he says “We have to decide on change or more of the same” Hillary Clinton is one of the good ones, not “one of the same” or part of “the past” that is just ludicrous. Bill Clinton radically changed what Bush Sr did to ruin America. We should be proud of Bill’s work as a Democrat and the Clinton’s rewarded for that, not lumped in with Bush’s failure of “politics as usual” or “the past” characterizing the Clintons this way is disrespectful to all they did for our country, the Democratic party and just an outright LIE. The Clinton’s I remember did the exact OPPOSITE of everything the Bush’s have done. There are some serious changes needing to be made in Washington and SOME new blood can help to make that change no doubt, but you don’t just expel every one of them, you will end up with more the same mess. You keep the good ones and Hillary is one of the best. You don’t throw the baby out with the bath water and expect everything to be fixed, VERY unwise. Eliminating the good ones and their experience will not solve a thing or bring the kind of real change we need.
Posted by: Hillary Ready For REAL Change | February 6, 2008, 1:29 pm 1:29 pm
“Could it be latino’s read papers and understood that Obama’s wife sat on the board of Treehouse”
You do realize that Hillary sat on the Board for Walmart, right? She was a corporate lawyer and fought for corporations. Maybe read a little of her history before criticizing Obama, idiot.
Posted by: Joe | February 6, 2008, 1:31 pm 1:31 pm
INTERESTING? Do you know anything about John McCain? John McCain is a republican darling, but don’t trust his carefully-crafted image by the spin in the media, do your research on the internet – he’s worked for years to brand himself differently from who he really is. From Iraq to health care, Social Security to special interest tax cuts to ethics, he’s promising nothing more than a third Bush term… the definition of the worst president in our U.S. history. Even republicans would rather vote for Hillary and the Obama ticket.
After championing campaign finance reform and ethics legislation to score political points, he now has a staggering amount of lobbyists involved in every aspect of his campaign. In fact, two of the top three sources for John McCain’s campaign cash are D.C. lobbying firms, and he looked the other way as Jack Abramoff bought and paid for the Republican Party and the Culture of Corruption.
On immigration reform, he’s run as far to the right as he can, aligning himself with the most extreme elements of the Republican Party.
ON THE WAR, McCain SCOFFED AT Bush’s CALL TO LEAVE TROOPS IN Iraq FOR 50+ YEARS, saying “MAKE IT A HUNDRED!”
On a woman’s right to choose, McCain has vowed to appoint judges who would overturn Roe v. Wade!
On the economy, one of the issues that the American people care most about, McCain has said: “I know a lot less about economics than I do about military and foreign policy issues. I still need to be educated.”
We can’t afford four more years with a President who drives the economy into the ground. We can’t afford four more years with a President who fights an endless war in Iraq. We can’t afford four more years with a President who gives tax cuts to companies who ship jobs overseas; with a President who can’t get every American the health care they deserve; with a President we just no democrat can trust, not even the republicans. Unite the democratic party – If Hillary continues to win the democratic nomination, make your voice heard and encourage both Hillary and Obama to become the most powerful political team in American history as President and Vice President so we can win the November election and take back the white house!
Posted by: EDUCATED VOTER | February 6, 2008, 1:36 pm 1:36 pm
I am so sick and tired of the pundits saying that Hillary is losing and Obama winning, although the numbers don’t seem to agree with them. They just can’t stand it that Obama isn’t winning, and they’re dissecting every angle to somehow show that Obama is going to win. There’s a lot of men out there who still can’t stand the idea of a female president. People keep talking about America’s racist past…how about America’s misogynist past and PRESENT. Clinton ’08!
Posted by: Robbie | February 6, 2008, 1:36 pm 1:36 pm
I am latino, and I’ll tell you why obama is not liked. He has not done anything for us, or the latinos of IL. he only comes to us with the drivers licence issues after he saw he was not getting our vote. We dont like people who suck up, we have honor in our society and we are very loyal to people who help us. For those of you Obama supporters who say hillary wasnt to ship us off, you are lieing. She said she will only deport illegals who have commited crimes. You misrepresent Hillary, we are not stupid people, we are very intellegent, and this kind of talk is a slap in the face. I am in South Texas, and I’m telling you Obama people now, Texas is Hillary country. maybe not Austin, TX where Obama can swindle the college town, but the Latinos here know what is going on, and yes we are the majority here, and yes we are citizen. OBAMA Feel the power of the Latinos!
Posted by: Daniel -TX | February 6, 2008, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm
Hillary for President Obama for Vice-President it is the DREAM TEAM!!!!
Give Obama 4 years in the White House gain the experience and run after that!!!!
Anything but MCCAIN!!! Anything but ANOTHER BUSH ADMINSTRATION!!!
Look beyond gender and skin color look to our children (all of our children, white, hispanic, black, and inbetween) and VOTE FOR A CHANGE!!!!
p.s. It did take a Clinton to clean after a Bush alreday, we need another Clinton to clean the mess this one has gotten us into!!!!
Posted by: Susan | February 6, 2008, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm
I’m one of the hordes of white people who voted for Obama – I’m not sure Hillary is electable related to past Bill/Hillary spectacles that so unified the far right wing.
I work with alot of republicans who will vote for McCain just to keep the Clintons out of the white house.
Posted by: vmcgreen | February 6, 2008, 1:42 pm 1:42 pm
On The Job Training is acceptable for U.S. Presidential candidate Obama. Change is coming… the next tsunami in American politics on its’ way. Catch the wave! Vote Obama!
Posted by: PDC | February 6, 2008, 1:42 pm 1:42 pm
VIVA HILLARY!!!!!!
OBAMA IS RIGHT ABOUT ONE THING
THE TIME FOR CHANGE HAS COME
THE CHANGE FROM A MALE DOMINATED OLD BOYS CLUB TO:
MADAME PRESIDENT
AS MUCH AS OBAMA HUSSEIN PREACHES CHANGE
HE’S THE ONE WHO’S MORE OF THE SAME
JUST LOOK AT THE PICTURE OF HIM AND TED KENNEDY AT THE STATE OF THE UNION.
THANK GOD THE VOTERS IN MASSACHSETTS HAVEN’T FORGOTTEN CHAPPAQUDICK AND THE OTHER KENNEDY COVER UPS.
WHEN THE FOG CLEARS: EXPERIENCE WILL WIN OUT OVER CHANGE AS THE EXIT POLLS SSHOW, PEOPLE CHANGED THEIR VOTE AT THE LAST MINUTE BECUASE THEY SIMPLY DON’T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT WHO OBAMA IS, NOT REALLY. IT’S EASY TO PREACH CHANGE AND STAND UP THERE AND EMULATE OTHER GREAT SPEAKERS BUT IT IS ANOTHER MATTER TO HAVE ENDURED THE SLINGS AND ARROWS OF OUTRAGEOUS REPUBLICAN ATACKS AND TO HAVE SURVIVED TO WIN NY AND CALIFORNIA TTHE TWO STATES THAT SET THE TONE BUT ONLY FOR AMERICA, BUT FOR THE WORLD.
OBAMA FOR VP. LET HIM WAIT. IT’S TIME FOR PRESIDENT HILLARY.
OH AND FORGET BILL TOO. TIME FOR HIM TO PLAN DINNERS AND FLOWER ARRANGEMENTS.
Posted by: JJ | February 6, 2008, 1:42 pm 1:42 pm
The Cubans were indeed given many perks all throughout the 1960′s until now. Our misguided government wanted to shame Fidel Castro before the world by displaying how his people hated him so much they were willing to cross the ocean on an inner tube to get here. Alas, that misguided policy has failed, because just look at Florida now. Tom Tancredo said it best last year when he flew down to Miami and thought he was in a banana republic in South America. In our own country we have allowed this to happen. Anglo-Saxon whites flee Florida because we feel we have no future there because of the influx of the Hispanics. California, Arizona, Texas, even our East coast states, little by little they are taking them over. Not only Mexico encourages their poor to leave, but the same is happening in Latin American countries with their ideology of disregarding our laws and coming here whether we want them here or not. Americans had better wake up and look around because our country is at the worst tipping point of its history.
Posted by: Stanley | February 6, 2008, 1:45 pm 1:45 pm
To LA in Indiana | Feb 6, 2008 10:55:59 AM
“Please. No moral high horse here. African American vote is going overwhelmingly for Obama; white woman for Hillary. The rest of us vote according to the delegate that best reflects our interest.”
That sounds like the highest of all moral horses as some are lumped as race and gender voters while you and some unidentified “rest of us” group have effectively separated yourselves from such mundane human urges. If so, that’s commendable…up to a point.
Freeing yourself from the negatives of race and gender is good, but freeing yourself from knowledge of the positives pertaining to specific and different cultures leaves you with a big learning deficit in this country.
I believe I can be a better American if I learn, for example, from a US citizen of close Polish identity what it is to be Polish in America.
In that sense, Black is more of an identity than a color. Woman is an identity, not just a gender spec. We should all learn from both.
It is interesting that that we still have not managed to find the place to speak of relevant cultural influence. No one could say that where he grew up, the response of people to the color of his skin, the number of people in his college, etc… have zero effect on their outlook. If that person did claim such a vapid “objectivity” it would be more properly labeled as a failure to learn from one’s environment.
What makes race particularly a problem is that we can’t speak of it as a simple contributor among many determinants that make up a person. That’s simple political reality. We haven’t gotten over discrimnation on a racial basis. Ok, we can deal with that as we consistently show progress. The silliness is to shun that type of progress for the completely inane attempts to evaporate race from the discussion.
Vote for O because he’s black? Stupid.
Vote for H because she’s woman? Stupid.
Ignore relevant discussion on documentable public responses to the characteristics “black” or “woman”? Again…stupid.
Posted by: ed mccain | February 6, 2008, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm
Mexico a democracy and a very rich country is so corrupt that the wealth is kept with the elite government officials. Mexicans and latinos need to think about corruption very carefully. Hillary and her lethal political machine is as corrupt as the state that she sought her senatorship. We need the most honest and sincere candidate to make our America the best it can be. If we are going to Save America, we are going to have to care for America first. Latinos and Jews will need to put America first and reject corruption. Obama will do well for all of America. I am jewish and he has my vote. Go Obama! Free our America of the arrogance of those political operatives. You are brave, and deserve to be the leader of the HOME OF THE BRAVE.
Posted by: Deb | February 6, 2008, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm
Sometimes we forget that we are voting for our country, not for ourselves. Therefore, the candidates, in order to win the election, try to satisfy individual desires of voters by promising something which they know that it is impossible to fulfill all those promises.
The purpose of an presidential election is to choose a leader that lead our country, not to lead a individual or a group of people, to prosperity. It is not a matter of race, gender or the candidate him/herself. It is a matter of a nation’s fate. The president should not only tackle current national issues but also have a good vision to prevent future issues, anticipate new opportunities to lead our country to prosperity.
Failed to do that, we all hoped and then disappointed. We all saw that in the past.
Posted by: NTL | February 6, 2008, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm
Dear Joe.
When you accept the fact that majority of back will vote for black regardless of other factors, you already imply that black are block voting.
How is the back community keep crying that they ‘s been discriminated , when they are showing the exact behavior. Imagine if the black are the majority in this country, we will never have a non back president.
If you don’t want other to discriminate you then do the same to other first.
Posted by: asianmalesmoker | February 6, 2008, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm
Many Hispanics,as myself, are really concerned about healthcare and jobs, just as everyone else. Yes, some Hispanics may have voted because of skin color or gender, just like some African-Americans and whites, but not in significant numbers. The media is doing a good job trying to cause a rift between the different groups more than ever.
The media and pollsters fail to realize that Hispanics are not a race but a segment of the American populaton made of people of different races, which share similar linguistic (Spanish), political and cultural history, just as Americans come in all races and share a linguistic (English), political and cultural similarities. Many politicians fail to realize that there are many Hispanics living and voting in the US for many years. Hispanics have known about the Clintons for many years, so the Clintons were able to harness a relationship with them. Obama is nearly 47 years old, hardly a young man, but never developed at the national level the same type of relationship.
On the other side, Obama hardly ever mentioned Hispanics until he campaigned in Nevada. The licenses for illegals (not all are Hispanics) that Obama decided to wave at Hispanics did not apply for those of us living legally for generations. Hence,drivers licenses for illegals are not an issue of top priority. It is only a small mistake on the part of Obama’s campaign and we need not to focus on that. For what is worth, Cinton and Obama are very similar on other issues. Either one is better than what we have now.
Posted by: evie | February 6, 2008, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm
Many Latinos are being fooled, just as the Black race was for so long. Just because a white candidate comes to a festival right before an election (in the same manner that they visit a black church)it doesn’t mean that they really accept you, or will ‘do right by you.’
And by the way, being Latin doesn’t make you an honorary white person.
Posted by: Cynthia Wiley | February 6, 2008, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm
I think that Latinos had better wake before it is too late for their own sakes: They must know that the white voters would never vote for any of their own over and above a white candidate in any elections; so their lot is with the black community. If they do not send a different message from the one they have already sent to the black community in the super tuesday democratic primaries, then they are also polictically finished in america. This is an issue of minorities coming together to help each other polictically, or going apart politically.
Posted by: Toni | February 6, 2008, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm
Many Hispanics,as myself, are really concerned about healthcare and jobs, just as everyone else. Yes, some Hispanics may have voted because of skin color or gender, just like some African-Americans and whites, but not in significant numbers. The media is doing a good job trying to cause a rift between the different groups more than ever.
The media and pollsters fail to realize that Hispanics are not a race but a segment of the American populaton made of people of different races, which share similar linguistic (Spanish), political and cultural history, just as Americans come in all races and share a linguistic (English), political and cultural similarities. Many politicians fail to realize that there are many Hispanics living and voting in the US for many years. Hispanics have known about the Clintons for many years, so the Clintons were able to harness a relationship with them. Obama is nearly 47 years old, hardly a young man, but never developed at the national level the same type of relationship.
On the other side, Obama hardly ever mentioned Hispanics until he campaigned in Nevada. The licenses for illegals (not all are Hispanics) that Obama decided to wave at Hispanics did not apply for those of us living legally for generations. Hence,drivers licenses for illegals are not an issue of top priority. It is only a small mistake on the part of Obama’s campaign and we need not to focus on that. For what is worth, Cinton and Obama are very similar on other issues. Either one is better than what we have now.
Posted by: evie | February 6, 2008, 1:54 pm 1:54 pm
Poor Obama. Always the victim.
In this election, blacks are encouraged to vote their race, while whites, Hispanics, Asians and others are scorned and labled “racist” if they vote for any but Obama.
Hogwash.
If race is held out as a valid reason to vote FOR someone, it must also be a valid reason to vote AGAINST someone. Obama can’t have it both.
Posted by: Ben Wise | February 6, 2008, 1:54 pm 1:54 pm
The Republicans love it when people are divided and people do not vote. Hillary divides America. Obama is the only one whose speeches have been about Uniting the United States of America. His words are ‘We as a nation’, ‘We can’, ‘Us united’. Hillary’s speeches have been ‘I, Me, Myself’. Haven’t we heard enough. Obama will unite the United States of America, one people, one nation.
Posted by: Angela | February 6, 2008, 1:55 pm 1:55 pm
Poor Obama. Always the victim.
In this election, blacks are encouraged to vote their race, while whites, Hispanics, Asians and others are scorned and labled “racist” if they vote for any but Obama.
Hogwash.
If race is held out as a valid reason to vote FOR someone, it must also be a valid reason to vote AGAINST someone. Obama can’t have it both.
Posted by: Ben Wise | February 6, 2008, 1:58 pm 1:58 pm
As I read MOST of these blogs I can help but laugh at this whole election. Everyone is talking about how Obama is going to bring change, bring people together and take the country in a new direction; however all I read is racist remarks towards whole ethnicities. NOW HOW FAR HAVE WE REALLY COME?
Posted by: Mary | February 6, 2008, 1:58 pm 1:58 pm
It is not just the Black vote that’s going for Obama. Millions of White people are too, but of course ABCNews knows this but prefers to focus on stirring up tensions between the obvious minorities. If Mccain wins the nomination with Huckabee as his running mate. And Hillary wins and does not include Obama, millions of White & Black Americans are going to vote for the Republicans, because they would be crazy not too.
Posted by: Mary Sanders | February 6, 2008, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm
Mr. Tapper and most of the press needs to understand that being Hispanic does not mean that you are easy on illegal immigration. Illegal immigrants can’t vote, obviously. The Hispanics that can vote are pretty split over the issue of illegal immigration. Not to mention the fact that most find other issues in the election to be much more important. The other great misconception is how sexist we are. Hispanics are much more inclined to vote for a woman that most of the press will give us credit for. There is not a Latino I know that does not have a number of extremely strong and opinionated women in their lives. And yes, for the record, I support Hillary.
GO HILL, GO!!!!
Posted by: G | February 6, 2008, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm
“Ain’t no black people in Iowa!” said Michelle Obama.
What an elegant first lady she would have made. LOL There’s no better quality in a first lade than being a loud-mouthed loose cannon with racist leanings.
Posted by: Derrick Moses | February 6, 2008, 2:02 pm 2:02 pm
Why don’t we watch how this plays out. If we look back a couple months I recall how the pollsters were trying to understand why the majority of black voters thought they would vote for Hillary. Now we are trying to understand why the hispanic vote swings so strongly for Hillary. I believe that as teh Hispanic community comes to accept that a minority candidate, not only can win, but actually is the stronger candidate against the Republicans, they will swing back the other way.
Wake up. Hillary is the one force that can unify the fragmented Republicans.
Posted by: BooMan | February 6, 2008, 2:03 pm 2:03 pm
Cassandra Butts, a senior Obama strategist, noted that the Clintons had been involved with the Latino community far longer than Obama. “I’m not prepared to say brown people won’t vote for a black guy,” she said. “If both of them were equally well-known, if they had worked the community as long, you might be able to draw that conclusion, but it’s an apples-to-oranges comparison.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/19/AR2008011902429.html
Posted by: bob | February 6, 2008, 2:03 pm 2:03 pm
Despite the breathy, “we won more states” spin, yesterday proved that Obama is unelectable.
With the exception of Missouri, only two of the states Obama won have voted Democrat in the last seven national elections. And those two states have voted Democrat only once in the last 28 years. Put another way, the states he won don’t have enough Democratic votes to make the state blue and help put him in office.
He can’t win the important states — NY, Mass., Calif., etc. Most amusing was Mass.– I guess no one cares that Obama believes he is JFK reincarnated. LOL
Obama’s “magic” aura is fading and being replaced by the reality of a smug, smirking con man of little substance and value. This charade will be over soon.
Posted by: Robert John | February 6, 2008, 2:04 pm 2:04 pm
Obama never cries victim. He won in states with overwhelmingly White voter support, with very few Black residents, we all know that. However, I still think Mccain is going to win and bring Huckabee along for his conservative social views and staunch anti-illegal aliens policy. I agree.
Posted by: William | February 6, 2008, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm
and once again….OBAMA NEVER VOTED FOR OR AGAINST THE WAR BECAUSE HE WASN’T EVEN IN THE SENATE YET! SO PLEASE STOP GIVING HIM SO MUCH CREDIT FOR NOT VOTING FOR IT! IT’S GETTING OLD FOLKS!
Posted by: Mary | February 6, 2008, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm
Obama wins hoards of White support. I agree the real Americans, the decendants of the groups who truly built this country should stand united against our common foe: illegal aliens trying to annex us back to Mexico. Vote for Huckabee to solve that problem because only he will!
Posted by: Hank | February 6, 2008, 2:11 pm 2:11 pm
We as Americans need to address this with a longer term vision of our stability. The people crossing into our country are mostly from our poor neighbor to the south. We need to realize that we only have two neighbors with long borders and our neighbor to the north is doing fine, perhaps better than we are. Imagine if Mexico was as rich per capita as Canada. If the US is serious about ever stopping the flow of people we need to address the cause itself which is not the riches of the US but the poverty in Mexico. It is in our long term interest to put together some kind of Marshal Plan for the really poor areas of Mexico where most people live on less than two dollars a day so we can bring them into the modern world much like we have accomplished in Eastern Europe and parts of S. America. We need to realize that now is the time, as Mexico is a thriving and rising democracy, to use our wealth to bring our neighbors into the community of developed nations and out of its “developing” status. If we can put a dent in cronic poverty, specifically in the south of Mexico, we can guarantee for generations a stable border, a strong trading partner and a free and friendly southern neighbor.
Posted by: Adrian | February 6, 2008, 2:11 pm 2:11 pm
Many Hispanics,as myself, are really concerned about healthcare and jobs, just as everyone else. Yes, some Hispanics may have voted because of skin color or gender, just like some African-Americans and whites, but not in significant numbers. The media is doing a good job trying to cause a rift between the different groups more than ever.
The media and pollsters fail to realize that Hispanics are not a race but a segment of the American populaton made of people of different races, which share similar linguistic (Spanish), political and cultural history, just as Americans come in all races and share a linguistic (English), political and cultural similarities. Many politicians fail to realize that there are many Hispanics living and voting in the US for many years. Hispanics have known about the Clintons for many years, so the Clintons were able to harness a relationship with them. Obama is nearly 47 years old, hardly a young man, but never developed at the national level the same type of relationship.
On the other side, Obama hardly ever mentioned Hispanics until he campaigned in Nevada. The licenses for illegals (not all are Hispanics) that Obama decided to wave at Hispanics did not apply for those of us living legally for generations. Hence,drivers licenses for illegals are not an issue of top priority. It is only a small mistake on the part of Obama’s campaign and we need not to focus on that. For what is worth, Cinton and Obama are very similar on other issues. Either one is better than what we have now.
Posted by: evie | February 6, 2008, 2:11 pm 2:11 pm
Mary,
you are so right on about the vot on the war. funny thing is only 1 person voted against it , everyone else was singing together on teh steps of the capitol. and Obama acts like he would be above it all, what ever at the time of war it Bush had a 95% approval rating. How quickly America forgets!
Posted by: eleven22 | February 6, 2008, 2:13 pm 2:13 pm
Interesting, since Obama’s sister is married to a Chinese guy, not that that matters. The real issue is illegal alien immigration, watch Lou Dobbs.
Posted by: Lily | February 6, 2008, 2:13 pm 2:13 pm
IT is simple. She has been there for them, and they are NOT going to abandon Hillary for something that is a “fad.” She is a DOER. Why would they support Obama, his wife cost them jobs, and more importantly he can only promise. And, that may work on a small number of us BUT NOT ALL OF US.
Most importantly, RFKs family supports HILLARY, and he was the civil rights KENNEDY
Posted by: Maria | February 6, 2008, 2:15 pm 2:15 pm
Obama may not have been able to vote against the war in the Senate. But as the vote was going on he made a speech condemning the war and going over there. I didn’t see Hillary doing that, she follow right behind Bush.
Posted by: joe | February 6, 2008, 2:16 pm 2:16 pm
Dear Joe!
In that case, would you me a racist if I am calling all the white people to vote for Hillary because the vast majority of the back people voting for Obama ?
From now on, back nolonger be able to claim that they are being discriminated by the white majority. The white majority have the courage to cross the line of color, but that havn’t happened to the back community yet.
Posted by: asianmalesmoker | February 6, 2008, 2:16 pm 2:16 pm
“Interesting, since Obama’s sister is married to a Chinese guy, not that that matters. The real issue is illegal alien immigration, watch Lou Dobbs.”
Look it up he denied asians, even if he had a connection to them. kind of like what he did to his fathers religion. Or did he, Look up obama, Odinga, and the ODC. can we say obama played a part int he Kenyan Genocide? The New york Sun has an article on it.
Posted by: eleven22 | February 6, 2008, 2:17 pm 2:17 pm
Everyone knows this country will never accept a black president so of course they will go with the lessor of 2 evils-Hillary-so if she want to pander to the illegals let her- just as long as she is there to take the blame for their free ride. Hey Maybe Obamba was smart not to worry after all this will became the US of Mexico
Posted by: Brat4life | February 6, 2008, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm
Joe , he made the speach after we were already over there, check your facts!
It’s easy to take a position after you see the whole picture. Obama is setting you all up.
Posted by: eleven22 | February 6, 2008, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm
From many of these comments it seems that ignorance and stupidity is alive and flourishing in America.
Some of you need to get a grip and recognize that America’s greatest weakness is “RACISM.” Latinos should not be fooled to believe that they will be more accepted by some white Americans as being white; regardless of skin color similarity or hair texture. The fact is that whites in America identify “white” as European white not white in skin color. So, a Mexican who looks white would just as easily be discriminated against as if he was the blackest of Africans. This is why “racism” is the weakness of America. We have to learn to accept one another based upon our humanity and celebrate our differences which is a gift from God, and not a reason to be judged. Or, in the words of MLK, “…not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.” Wake up people, the change that Obama refers to is the healing of America. It is the change that will make America a once again respected and powerful force in the world. A change that make us great not because of our military might and bully mentality, but our compassion and humanity to serve causes greater than ourselves. We heard the call to this greatness while JFK was alive, but we didn’t listen. We heard it again, when MLK was alive, but again, we didn’t listen. We are hearing the call once again, will we listen or will we return again to the status quo, once again refusing to listen the call to greatness. Blacks, Whites, Latinos, Asians, and every other American are once again hearing the call to greatness. This time lets not let it pass on deaf ears.
Posted by: George | February 6, 2008, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm
eleven22,
No check your facts, the speech was made in 2002. We invaded in March 2003, I did my homework, maybe do yours.
Posted by: Joe | February 6, 2008, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm
I am a woman of color (black) and I support a Hillary/Richardson ticket. I do not want a Hillary/Obama ticket. Thanks to all Latino for looking at the issues and voting for Hillary. Please all Latino votes give money to support Hillary.
Posted by: voteforme008 | February 6, 2008, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm
We don’t need a “Cry Baby”
(Hilary Clinton) for President.
Don’t let her Rhetoric fool you.
The Clintons had their chance more than a decade.
Obama is the one
Posted by: Boyddollar | February 6, 2008, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm
Dear Joe!
Sorry for the spelling, the comment box is not always user friendly. But you havn’t reply to my argument.
Posted by: asianmalesmoker | February 6, 2008, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm
National ID system for Americans? I don’t think so. Looks like Hillary has just as much respect for States’ rights as does Mr. Bush.
So, she wants to have federal control of my identity, federal control over my salary so she can garnish willy-nilly… AND she’s a race/gender baiter to boot!
Wow, what a great Democratic Candidate. As a secular, white, independent middle class female voter – I’m going to enjoy pulling that lever for McCain if she’s the nominee.
I thought the whole idea behind Obama’s campaign was to not pander to one group over the other – now that seems to have been his “failure”. All these groups saying “He didn’t pay attention to US!!!”
What a mess this country is in.
Posted by: Arielle | February 6, 2008, 2:26 pm 2:26 pm
Well it is no suprise that most Latinos and African-Americans don’t have much love for each other which is a shame. However to vote for someone based on race is just outright “ignorance” on all parties involved. I was pleasde to see some Latinos in the video ‘Yes We Can’by Wil.i.am. It was refreshing to see such a diverse group of Obama supporters in this video. As for Hillary she is too scripted and goes with the wind.
Posted by: Race | February 6, 2008, 2:26 pm 2:26 pm
HILLARY SUPPORTS DEPORTING ALL IMMIGRANTS
Hillary Clinton suggested in a December speech that the best way to deal with the illegal immigration issue was to “round everybody up and deport them.”
At a time when both Hillary and Obama are competing for the Democratic nomnination, you have to wonder whether taking a position to the right of all but the most radical Republicans is a smart strategy. Moreover, you have to wonder how suggesting that deporting all immigrants is a good idea will play with the Hispanic community. Clinton’s advisors cannot be happy that she made this comment.
Hillary’s full comment in a December speech was: “Now, some people say, ‘OK round everybody up and deport them,” she said. “That sounds really good. I hear that on TV, I hear it on the radio. But let me ask you how that actually works. You see, I don’t want to tell you something that sounds good and then have you wake up later and say, ‘Wait a minute –nobody said it was going to cost that much or be that hard.’”
It will be interesting to see how these pro-deportation comments play out as this tight primary contest continues.
Posted by: ABC Blogger | February 6, 2008, 2:27 pm 2:27 pm
kburn says: “”Clinton had kind words for Wal-Mart as recently as 2004.”"
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Then imagine the kind words the Obama secretly have for Wal-Mart. Until May 2007, Michelle “Pickles” Obama sat on the board of a food processing company that makes hundreds of millions of dollars off of Wal-Mart. Forgot that part, hey Obama? While Pickles took home $50,000 a year plus stock options for showing up to a couple of meetings a year, the men and women on the pickle canning machine at Treehouse Foods make, what, $10 bucks an hour? The Obamas are slick, fast-talking con artists — nothing more
Posted by: Jeff Jack | February 6, 2008, 2:27 pm 2:27 pm
We don’t need a “Cry Baby”
(Hilary Clinton) for President.
Don’t let her Rhetoric fool you.
The Clintons had their chance more than a decade ago.
Obama is the one
Posted by: Boyddollar | February 6, 2008, 2:27 pm 2:27 pm
Brat4life,
I think your wrong there, there will be a black pres, just not a racist one. Or one that goes and supports a black racist church. Or would that be the same thing?? Obama says no, he is not racist , yet his church is very racist(LOOK IT UP DOUBTERS!! STOP TAKING HIS WORD FOR IT!)
Ever wonder why someone would even think to find out if they were related to Cheney? Kind of weird huh? Just out of the blue, hey I wonder if were related? He’s part of the system. Why do you think the old dems are supporting him? because hes something new? Don’t you think that would put pressure on the something old? Like the kennedy’s and Daschles? They are all connected to Bankers. weird. I’m sure the Ron Paul Nuts know all this already
Posted by: werdup! | February 6, 2008, 2:27 pm 2:27 pm
At least the white people are crossing the race line but blacks are just voting to get a black in the WH. Plain and simple. Also plain and simply this is discrimination.
Posted by: Rob | February 6, 2008, 2:28 pm 2:28 pm
A while back I thought it would be a good idea to have a woman as president. I thought if we had someone without testosterone we might not have so many wars and become a kinder, gentler nation. But as I watched the debates and Hillary Clinton’s antics I changed my mind. Maybe a woman would be ok, but not Hillary. Why? Watch closely at her finger wagging while she is admonishing someone or confronting them on an issue. Then look at her husband and you’ll see the same finger wagging. I’ll bet they do this a lot at home when they have a disagreement. Hillary is too confrontational, too abrupt, too stubborn and too coarse. I don’t think she would be able to get into meaningful dialect with adversaries when things are not going her way. I don’t think this will play out well in International relations. I think Obama can hold his cool and use his intellect and reason to a far better degree than she.
Posted by: jon sid | February 6, 2008, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm
Hispanics can vote for Hillary all they want. If Obama doesn’t win the nomination or is not on the ticket you can welcome McCain to the white house because black will either not vote in the general election or vote for the Republican candidate. Hillary has lost the bulk of Afican -Americans voters and won’t get them back. So all the Hispanics in the country can vote for Hillary if they want. But it don’t mean a thing as a democrat without the black vote.
Posted by: Bob | February 6, 2008, 2:31 pm 2:31 pm
I’m at a loss. I posted below about Hillary Clinton’s immigration stance, and now some are accusing me of inaccurately quoting her! I guess some of those people may have a rational point, but for me the real issue here is that we have to start talking about the fact that dealing with immigration is going to require deporting some people. In any event, I did the best I could to figure out the meaning of a very confusing comment, and the Clinton campaign never got back to me with a clarification.
Posted by: ABC Blogger | February 6, 2008, 2:31 pm 2:31 pm
Jeff Jack ,
Funny thing is over 10 million people who shop at Wal-mart have kinds words for them , heck , bet you shop there too.
Hipocrites I swear!
Posted by: eleven22 | February 6, 2008, 2:32 pm 2:32 pm
Ron Paul sounds like Ralph Nadar.
Give me a break!
Posted by: Boyddollar | February 6, 2008, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm
Dear Geogre!
You wrote “We have to learn to accept one another based upon our humanity and celebrate our differences which is a gift from God, and not a reason to be judged. Or, in the words of MLK, “…not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.” Wake up people, the change that Obama refers to is the healing of America”
I am totaly agree with you. I offers a solution. I challenge Senator Obama, to call in to the back community, to vote for the contents of the candidates, not the color of their skin. I challenge senator Obama to call on the black comunity do not fell guilty or betray to vote for Senator Clinton if they feel that she is a better candidate.
They way I see it, the black community has gone back against the teaching of MLK. How else you can explain that they select senator Obama 82% vs 16% for senator Clinton.
Posted by: asianmalesmoker | February 6, 2008, 2:36 pm 2:36 pm
ABC BLOGGER,
you said”Hillary Clinton suggested in a December speech that the best way to deal with the illegal immigration issue was to “round everybody up and deport them.”
**** No she did not, she has always said that would be insane, that it would take tons of buses, and the constitution would more then likely be messed with in order to get it done.”
You said”Hillary’s full comment in a December speech was: “Now, some people say, ‘OK round everybody up and deport them,” she said. “That sounds really good. I hear that on TV, I hear it on the radio. But let me ask you how that actually works. You see, I don’t want to tell you something that sounds good and then have you wake up later and say, ‘Wait a minute –nobody said it was going to cost that much or be that hard.’”
****If you finish the quote , you’d see she was being sarcastic. So stop Smearing her, we latinos are not stupid. many of us are way smarter then you.
Her plan is to deport only people who have commited crimes. Everyone else will pay a fine, since they are breaking the law. then they will have to pay back taxes, since that’s what any american would have to doif they did not pay taxes. then they would be put in the system for their citizenship. She also says she wants to help Mexico and their job growth , because she know sth problem isn’t the struggling mexicans that need to feed their families, it’s the lack of good jobs in mexico. So get your facts straight, or be prepared to be called an idiot!
Posted by: eleven22 | February 6, 2008, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm
Hillary has suceeded in separating the 2 largest minority groups in the county. Blacks and Hispanics. I’m not for anyone who beleives in dividing people. Obama preaches inclusion by all. Is there a language barrier here? She is not in favor of immigration. Why don’t we Hispanics get it?
Posted by: Roberto | February 6, 2008, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm
I think maybe the Latinos that are here legally are sick of the illegals bringing their name down and appreceiate the tougher stance on immigration
Posted by: me | February 6, 2008, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm
Our next step in Illinois is to join together and vote Obama off of our payroll as our do-nothing senator.
Talk about burning the goodwill of voters. The guy has done nothing but posture and campaign for the presidency and cut deals to enrich himself and his wife.
Arrogant, do-nothing Obama needs the old “heave ho” in favor of someone who will actually serve constituents. Obama reminds of Travis Bickle in “Taxi Driver.” But Obama smiles at himself in the mirror and yells “You the man,” over and over to himself.
Pathetic.
Posted by: Rick Stee | February 6, 2008, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm
Another negative article on future President Hillary Clinton…..imagine that. Despite the almost completely united press against her, she just keeps winning. Add up the votes!!! She STILL got more votes than any candidate on EITHER side yesterday.
Posted by: gohillary | February 6, 2008, 2:40 pm 2:40 pm
Obama is a peevish child who can barely contain his arrogance and smugness. These are not the qualities of a “uniter.”
Posted by: Bob John | February 6, 2008, 2:40 pm 2:40 pm
Sadly, the Latino community are now joins the historical ranks of those working class whites who declined to make common cause with African Americans in the South, thus condemning both to the political wilderness for generations of misery. Sad, Sad, Sad.
Posted by: wkuntz | February 6, 2008, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm
jon sid ,
Is that why when Obama lost Nevada, he didn’t give a speach , reports were he flew home pissed off??? Sure he’d keep his cool… he’s a spoiled baby!
Posted by: werdup | February 6, 2008, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm
Why do we have double standards?
I am 60 and at my age when I apply for a job I am told I am too old for the job. My husband was laid off because he was over 60 and he was replaced by a younger engineer. A president’s job is much more complicated yet we can hire a president who is over 70.
And when I was young always a more experienced person gets the job. I was rejected because I had less experience the other candidate. It didn’t matter that I had masters’ degree, hard working, and inspirational, good speaker. But we can hire a president with less experience?
This does not make sense to me. Then I think why it should make sense. We hired George Bush with fewer qualifications?
Posted by: Nisha | February 6, 2008, 2:42 pm 2:42 pm
kel posted wise words @ 10:53 .
i respect immigrants who play by the rules and are here legally , as should all americans . after all, unless you are an american indian you are yourself of immigrant descent. the issue is very simple ,no bias or racism is implied because most,if not all legal citiens want our borders secured and our social/economic paid-for-by taxpayer programs to be reserved for legal citizens as well.
one thing that undermines the whole tedious immigration mess is the fact that the government LEGALLY allows millions of ILLEGAL aliens to enter the country to work under a job visa/migrant worker program every year and many/most of them stay on here illegally after their work time limit is expired ,adding to the problem at hand in a big way.
the guest worker program was started in ww2 because we needed extra workers for sugar cane fields (among other things) and so it was supposed to be temporary.
however once business realized they could use their influence in the government to make the program a permanent one, thats exactly what happened and was the start and is the root of the problem today.
the simple fact is,if a business cannot stay in business using legal american citizens, they they should not be in business in the first place.
importing cheap, government supplied illegal immigrant labor (who incidentally have no real enforceable labor/worker rights) is the fat cat capitalist utopia come true, but for the avg working joe/josie programs like the guest worker program are effectively ruining their american dream.
write your congressperson and senator and DEMAND an end to this farce ,if they really support immigration reform ,otherwise they are just pulling the wool over everyones eyes ,building expensive fences while the illegal workers are brought right across the border on government supplied busses ,just so big business can get a free ride at the american taxpayers expense.
SCANDALOUS!!!!!!
Posted by: bah | February 6, 2008, 2:43 pm 2:43 pm
eleven22:
if you are leveling me, then i salute you.
if not, then read this to see what i was referring to:
Posted by: "ABC Blogger" and "DRUDGE" | February 6, 2008, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm
Roberto says: “Obama preaches inclusion by all.”"
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Now this is funny. First we see Michelle Obama on MSBC spouting that blacks will “wake up and get it” and vote for her husband simply because he black, which insults every African American by implying they lack the intelligence to vote for someone based on something other than race. Even highly liberal National Public Radio sharply criticized that attempt by the Obama campaign to play the race card.
Then we see a four-page memo leaked from the Obama campaign that outlined his strategy to label Clinton racist – the same memo that Tim Russert held up during the SC debate (simply Google “Obama racist memo”).
The Obama campaign was clearly dying to play the race card and is looking for anything, including the wholly inane “fairy tale,” to pounce on. The Obamas are NOT the direction we should be moving in this country.
Obama is America’s great divider.
Posted by: Jose | February 6, 2008, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm
kel posted wise words @ 10:53 .
i respect immigrants who play by the rules and are here legally , as should all americans . after all, unless you are an american indian you are yourself of immigrant descent. the issue is very simple ,no bias or racism is implied because most,if not all legal citiens want our borders secured and our social/economic paid-for-by taxpayer programs to be reserved for legal citizens as well.
one thing that undermines the whole tedious immigration mess is the fact that the government LEGALLY allows millions of ILLEGAL aliens to enter the country to work under a job visa/migrant worker program every year and many/most of them stay on here illegally after their work time limit is expired ,adding to the problem at hand in a big way.
the guest worker program was started in ww2 because we needed extra workers for sugar cane fields (among other things) and so it was supposed to be temporary.
however once business realized they could use their influence in the government to make the program a permanent one, thats exactly what happened and was the start and is the root of the problem today.
the simple fact is,if a business cannot stay in business using legal american citizens, they they should not be in business in the first place.
importing cheap, government supplied illegal immigrant labor (who incidentally have no real enforceable labor/worker rights) is the fat cat capitalist utopia come true, but for the avg working joe/josie programs like the guest worker program are effectively ruining their american dream.
write your congressperson and senator and DEMAND an end to this farce ,if they really support immigration reform ,otherwise they are just pulling the wool over everyones eyes ,building expensive fences while the illegal workers are brought right across the border on government supplied busses ,just so big business can get a free ride at the american taxpayers expense.
SCANDALOUS!!!!!!
Posted by: bah | February 6, 2008, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm
Boyddollar,
please give us some examples, your ignorant sentence tells us nothing , other then your either a HS dropout, or a person who jumps on the band-wagon.
Posted by: eleven22 | February 6, 2008, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm
I am just STUNNED, but all the lies and out right negative action by so many news outlets.
Posted by: BronxBoy7117 | February 6, 2008, 2:47 pm 2:47 pm
Your colleague is right, you shouldn’t assume. I’m hispanic and I can’t stand Hillary but it has nothing to do with her stance on immigration. I for one am against illegal immigrants for many reasons, the only difference between me and the ‘gringos’ is that I don’t spew hateful words and get vulgar about it. I understand their want/need to be here and I have compassion but what they’re doing is wrong (stealing SS#’s etc). And I’m not alone, there are many more latinos than you realize who are against illegals. I’m voting for Obama.
Posted by: JulieInTx | February 6, 2008, 2:47 pm 2:47 pm
The indivdual who called Obama a “peevish child” obviously hasn’t met the man. I went to Washington and worked with him to fight Bush while he was cutting community development dollars that’s helping people get retrained once their jobs go to India and other foreign countries. Hispanic brothers and sisters those are vital to our existance. All of Hillary’s time in congress she nver said a word about Bush cutting those programs her husband put in place. aomen for President is ok but not this one.
Posted by: Bob | February 6, 2008, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm
So, back to the issue…what is the problem with illegal immigrants being denied driver’s licenses? Do people not care about who is really on the roads? I know its one thing to pass the test and earn a driver’s license, but shouldn’t a government agency like the DMV have the authority to deny driver’s licenses to non-citizens? It all comes down to your sense of right or wrong: should someone who is in this country illegally be allowed the privilage to legally operate an automobile?
Posted by: FLA Dem | February 6, 2008, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm
I like Obama because of his youthful exuberance and charisma. However, his message for change is a little fuzzy, still. GWB ran on a platform for change in Washington and look where it got us.
I hope that Obama gives change a chance by explaining what he believes is the best change for America.
Posted by: LTF | February 6, 2008, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm
I tell you this, if Mrs. Clinton is the Democratic nominee all of us will wake up the day after elections shaking our heads and wondering what happened. There is already talk in the black community to remind her of how her husband won twice. I was told by an African-American friend of mine that they plan to vote Republican in droves or not vote at all. By my calculation, that would give us another Republican president.
Posted by: Ingrid | February 6, 2008, 2:51 pm 2:51 pm
Dear Boyddollar!
That is not what I heard from the back community few months ago, when they call Hillary Clinton as the honorrable daugher, when they call Bill Clinton the first Back President.
By the way. I did the math and I am very good at math. That is why I am upset.
Posted by: asianmalesmoker | February 6, 2008, 2:52 pm 2:52 pm
As the anti-Obama results from Massachusetts were coming in, Kennedy reached for his bottle of scotch and Obama reached for his pack of smokes. These two con men deserve each other.
Posted by: Garcia | February 6, 2008, 2:52 pm 2:52 pm
It matters not the color of Obama’s skin. He is bi-racial like Tiger. Also like Tiger, he isn’t playing the race card at every opportunity.
It is the challenge of black people to be accepted on the basis of our body of work and God-given ability. We want the same things that people of other races want.
Obama is the best candidate for president right now. The sad reality of it is this: if he were a white man…
Posted by: Tyronlb | February 6, 2008, 2:52 pm 2:52 pm
“ABC Blogger” and “DRUDGE”,
I understand what you were saying and i saw her statement when it was actually being made. She was kind of spinning what the republicans think is the right thing to do , after words , she knocks it down by telling you why it is a stupid concecpt that will never work. So the clinton campaign claiming that there was parsed statements, was actually correct. The media does it to her many times. They only hear what they want. Then they drop the rest, and that confuses the masses. I can say people of this nation are all morons for giving bush 95% of approval ratings to bush, yet I was one of those people. Then the media would say , “Eleven22 says the American people are stupid.” They would be correct, but they would be parsing my statement. Thats exactly what your doing to Hillary!
Posted by: eleven22 | February 6, 2008, 2:53 pm 2:53 pm
Obama promised us “change” in Illinois too — but failed to deliver anything. He has NEVER inititated or supported the kind of fundamental changes that would improve our lives or rid Chicago (my hometown) and Illinois of the politics as usual that has crippled it.
On the contrary, Obama has supported, and benefited politically and financially from our corrupt system here. The media has an obligation to provide a more insightful and meaningful exploration of Obama’s profound lack of record on the issue of “change” in Chicago and Illinois.
Obama has done nothing while on our payroll as our senator but cut deals to enrich himself (e.g. Rezko) and his wife (tell us, Michelle, what was the deal Obama cut that more then tripled your salary at the U of Chicago Hospitals immediately after he was elected to the senate?). The Obamas are selfish scam artists — nothing more.
Posted by: den | February 6, 2008, 2:55 pm 2:55 pm
Well if these comments aren’t a wake up call to all America, we all better watch out.
It appears that Mr. obama may say anything he wants about anything be it racisim, the Iraqi war, health car, voting in the Senate, etc. and the media and other certain people will not note this, will not challenge this, will not reply anything back to him because they are scared to death of being labled racist.
Yet these same people continue to slam Hillary Clinton AND John McCain on any issues real or imagined – mostly made up unresearched statements in order to hurt these two candidates.
What you are really doing is making yourselves look pretty bad and by doing this, you are certainly not garnishing any further votes for Mr obama. So keep up the good work, pretty soon everyone on these threads will just pass over anything you have to say and just because you are spewing your insinuations all over, they will definitely not vote for obama. You guys cannot have it both ways.
Posted by: Lou | February 6, 2008, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm
Abraham Lincoln was a republican and there was a time when blacks voted republican. If hillary gets the nomination I definately as a black man will vote for McCain. Be very careful Democrats you might lose something you might not get back for a while and can’t get to the white house without us.
Posted by: Bob | February 6, 2008, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm
I think its amazing and hilarious how democrats thought that the republicans were the racist one’s. LMAO. Now that Bill has shown his true colors I hope blacks realize the truth about the Clinton’s. They have never done a thing for blacks.
-NAFTA (loss of jobs for blackss)
-Three strikes your out (Increase prison sentence for blacks)
-Cut Welfare (loss of support for blacks)
Ask Bill Clinton what he did for blacks…wake up America.
By the way DUMMIES there is a difference between a racism and ethnocentricity.
Posted by: Guess Democrats are So Liberal | February 6, 2008, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm
Tyron says: “The sad reality of it is this: if he were a white man…”"
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If the lightweight Obama was white, he would not even still be in this campaign.
Let’s see. Obama has all of two whopping years of federal experience, most of which he has simply spent posturing and campaigning for the presidency while on our payroll in Illinos.
Obama is a leader of the Daley machine, one of the oldest and most corrupt political organizations in the history of mankind.
Obama promised “change” in Illinois too — but failed to deliver anything. He has NEVER inititated or supported the kind of fundamental changes that would rid this city and state of the politics as usual that has crippled it.
Obama’s foreign relations experience consists of….well, nothing but watching the National Geographic Channel.
And the list goes on.
Yep — I guess you’re right, Tyrone. No one could possibly not want Obama in the White House for any other reason than race.
Sure Winnie the Poohbama is qualified to become the most powerful leader in the world during these especially chalanging times. LOL
Posted by: Derrick | February 6, 2008, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm
Two latinos in CA, were confronted by blacks, and asked who they voted for? When they answered Hillary, these people began to beat them up.
This is a democratic country, people can vote for whomever they want.
Posted by: John | February 6, 2008, 3:00 pm 3:00 pm
Stop the Resko rhetoric. Hillary got donations from him too.
Posted by: Bob | February 6, 2008, 3:01 pm 3:01 pm
Asianmalesmoker,
I would never tell people whom they should vote for. Voting is a personal act which should not be coersed as you have so rediculously suggested. This is America where the vote is a sacred possession only to be shared if the person so desires.
Secondly, thanks for quoting my earlier blog, but in the future, don’t twist my meaning to serve your purposes.
Furthmore, let me say that latinos like everyone else have the right to vote for whom they choose. Governor Bill Richardson is Hispanic and cares deeply for the Hispani community, but Latinos did not overwhelming support him. Why, I don’t know. He seems like a very able and honorable man. But, that is for the latinos to mull over. They cannot say that they did not have a viable candidate. More than likely, due to your ignorance of African American history, you fail to understand the tumultuous relationship that blacks have had with whites in this country, and I don’t have the time to give you a history lesson now. However, until Barack came along, this country has never ever had a viable African American candidate in which we could vote for, and who would be accepted by many whites. If latinos or asians don’t want to vote for Barack because of his skin color, then that is an indication of their ignorance and racism for which is of no consequence to me nor the millions of African Americans in this country. However, let the truth be known that the freedoms that you enjoy now as an asian immigrant or Asian American is due to the sacrifices of Black slaves and their descendants. So, when you look down on blacks as a form of solidarity to mis-guided and ignorant whites, you are also looking down on those who have stood up for equality for every human in this country irrespective of their race, creed, or color. I wished that many of you who post blogs, try just a little to become informed before you start mouthing off.
Posted by: George | February 6, 2008, 3:03 pm 3:03 pm
Hispanics families have been part of historic and cultural fabric of the United States long before Jamestown, therefore, no need assume otherwise.
Hispanics certainly will make an impact on the elections like they have from past years but please keep in mind, today, Hispanics as a collective group represents 14% of U.S. population. As a voting block, in general, they are faith and family-based, conservative to moderate in values, concerned with economic conditions that affect income. Therefore, neither party can put the Hispanic vote in the bank.
One could say such a characterization is not ethic but mainstream in values. I think it is fair to say, most, if not all American families do not like risky or unstable political and economic conditions.
Most younger Hispanics will be attracted to Senator Obama not because the color of his skin but for his message for a better economic future for all.
Middle-age and older Hispanics will be for Senator Clinton because of the Clinton administration’s record with Hispanics, they have a history together which is not risk based. Number of Latinas emphasize much more with “Hillary” because of the gender struggle, which is their gender struggle as well.
Finally, Hispanics and politics, it is all about the family and mobility.
I would say the apple does not far from the tree for most Americans as well, regardless of their heritage. Savvy…
Posted by: threeriverscrossing | February 6, 2008, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm
As a Latino who does not support HRC (I support Obama), I can say the reason for the latino support for HRC comes down to ignorance. I’d like to see a breakdown based on education, and I would bet that the most educated Latinos (especially those with college degrees) are much more likely to favor Obama. HRC will do well among older, less educated and less informed latinos who have no idea about her positions on illegal immigration. They are blue collar workers and they remember the good economic times during the Clinton years and want to go back to that. For many of them it also has to do with positions from unions (I know some relatives who voted for HRC just because they trust their union representatives). There is also a racist aspect to the support for HRC, particularly in California, where tensions between low-income latinos and blacks are high (not so for those doing better economically). It’s sad and it hurts me greatly, but it is true. This also goes back to ignorance.
Posted by: JPHT | February 6, 2008, 3:05 pm 3:05 pm
As a woman of color (black), I want to give thank to all the Latinos for voting on issues. I now support a Clinton/Richardson ticket. For get about Clinton/Obama ticket.
Posted by: voteforme008 | February 6, 2008, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm
I’m less depressed about these comments now that mine have been deleted. Perhaps anything that contains intelligent thought is banned. In that case, I’ll just assume that there were plenty of well-researched and reasonable things said, but those were erased.
Posted by: Lo | February 6, 2008, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm
No matter how the media tries to spin this, the fact is that Sen Clinton won because she has more clarity on issues like health care and economy.
Why is the media not asking about 90% African Americans voting for Obama ? Did they all vote based on issues ?
The fact is no matter how hard corporate media tries to sell us an empty box (Obama), ultimately the voters will see through their game and vote based on issues.
Posted by: Kay | February 6, 2008, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm
No matter how the media tries to spin this, the fact is that Sen Clinton won because she has more clarity on issues like health care and economy.
Why is the media not asking about 90% African Americans voting for Obama ? Did they all vote based on issues ?
The fact is no matter how hard corporate media tries to sell us an empty box (Obama), ultimately the voters will see through their game and vote based on issues.
Posted by: Kay | February 6, 2008, 3:08 pm 3:08 pm
One of the political analyst in MSNBC said “one of the reason Hillary Clinton won the big states was the immigrants who are not even able to talk English”. My respond is, therefore, their vote means a lot because they are not as well able to be deceived and manipulated by the reporters. They just voted by their heart and head. Reporters and political analyst like you in MSNBC and CNN are biases who do not have any purposes but to deceive and manipulate people with false polls, information and propaganda.
Posted by: sheila | February 6, 2008, 3:08 pm 3:08 pm
eleven22:
I can’t post links here. I was actually trying to make fun of this blog’s taking Bill Clinton out of context. I know what Hillary said. I’m on your side.
Posted by: "ABC Blogger" and "DRUDGE" | February 6, 2008, 3:09 pm 3:09 pm
Asianmalesmoker,
Please don’t refer to us as “Back” people. We are “BLACK” people; that is Black with an “L.” However, if that is a challenge for you, you can refer to us as “African Americans.” Language is another issue of concern in the immigration debate. I used to not have a problem with the language issue, but after reading your blogs, I’m going to have to rethink my position on that matter.
Posted by: George | February 6, 2008, 3:10 pm 3:10 pm
Hillary Clinton is a true advocate of Immigration Reform.
Immigration is not the Latinos issue only, it is the number one issue to Africans, Asians and East-European communities.
As an immigrant, I understand Sen. Clinton’s position as a presidential candidate. She knows how divisive this issue is. She does not want immigration to be a negative campaign ammunition against her to destroy her candidacy.
That is why she did not take a strong stand.
The immigrant community understands that. That is why we reject any argument to portray Sen. Clinton as anti- immigrant.
Hillary ’08!
Solution for America!
Posted by: AL | February 6, 2008, 3:10 pm 3:10 pm
This is getting bitterly out of hand. To the point I think that a democrat very likely will not be president next year. Keep falling for Hillary tears and the Hispanic community will be in tears or marching with tears in their eys next year.
Posted by: Bob | February 6, 2008, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm
To Ed McCain, I didn’t write the response you made reference to, you apparently have me confused with someone else. The moral high horse response was written by Kel, not me.
Posted by: LA in Indiana | February 6, 2008, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm
I am fascinated to see comments about Hillary Clinton’s experience over Obama’s. What exactly has she done?
Saying that Bill’s administration did X,Y, and Z does not mean Hillary did that. She was a spouse, not an elected official, not a cabinet member.
People decry Obama’s ‘lack of experience’–yet he’s held office at the state AND national level. How many years has each of the candidates served in office at any level?
Hillary is given credit for things she did not do and is not held accountable for failures of the same era. If she wishes credit for the good of her husband’s administration, then she must also be held accountable for the failures as well.
Posted by: jim835 | February 6, 2008, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm
“If the lightweight Obama was white, he would not even still be in this campaign. ”
You are right about that! He’d be a two-termed President of the United States. And, you all are now going to allow another warmonger to win, based one your own personal prejudice and bigotry.
No wonder we look so stupid to the outside world.
Posted by: Buttercup315 | February 6, 2008, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm
Don’t worry too much about a fractured Democratic ticket, Ron Paul will run independantly as a libertarian, swaying real republicans away from the shiny candy-like button of McCain. Ron Paul will be the Nader of this election, but the downside is that he will have my vote if he does. He simply is the most level headed person in washington, transparent enough to let you know what he is thinking. Honest to a flaw.
The white house is secretly pushing McCain but they can’t go forward with it openly because of Bush’s record. He’s been quietly knighted by Rove and Co.
I think you will see Bush will be mum about any candidate until the unified republican front is achieved. Even then it will be hands off because he was such a looser for this country.
Posted by: Liberal-Tarian | February 6, 2008, 3:16 pm 3:16 pm
“If the lightweight Obama was white, he would not even still be in this campaign. ”
You are right about that! He wouldn’t have to worry about campaigning, because he’d be assured a two-termed presidency of the United States. And, you all are now going to allow another warmonger to win, based one your own personal prejudice and bigotry. McCain’s getting in, no doubt about it. Why? Because, again, those who should be natural allies can’t even align! Note: That’s how Bush won twice, at least they agree on somethings of importance to the whole of their constituency.
No wonder we look so stupid to the outside world.
Posted by: Buttercup315 | February 6, 2008, 3:16 pm 3:16 pm
One of the interesting things it seems to me is that Hillary is far more overtly a woman candidate than Obama is a black candidate, she is far happier just appealing to women than Obama is jut appealing to African Americans.
I don’t really know why latinos continue to back Hillary, maybe the Obama campaign hasn’t done enough to ph Hillary’s positions on illegal immigration?
On the wider issue, I really can’t see Hillary bing a unifying President whether she wants to be or not. And I get tired of the experience question. Genuinely want kind of life experience can possibly prepare you to be President of the United States? Manyt seemingly well qualified, seemingly experienced candidates have made awful Presidents, whereas Lincoln had even less experience than Obama has.
Posted by: markymark | February 6, 2008, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm
Obama is all hype. It’s like the ‘American Idol’ Primary. He’s hip, he’s popular and he can give a good speech. The problem, however, is that there’s nothing more. If Obama wins the nomination, I along with countless other democrats, will be voting for McCain!
Posted by: JD | February 6, 2008, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm
Jake, the answer to your question is simple.
The primary results so far have shown that African Americans are racists, they vote following the race line. The Hispanic voters reject racism, they vote for what they believe and they believe Obama is fake.
Posted by: Joaquim | February 6, 2008, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm
Give these people credit for good intentions. They may be a little dim, like McCain, a little superficial, like Obama, mired in “pragmatic” compromise, like Clinton, but they’re trying. Hillary says repeatedly that trying to leave a better world for the next generation is her life’s work, and I believe she means it. The others have similar goals…
Posted by: taltx | February 6, 2008, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm
AL – you posted the following:
“As an immigrant, I understand Sen. Clinton’s position as a presidential candidate. She knows how divisive this issue is. She does not want immigration to be a negative campaign ammunition against her to destroy her candidacy.
That is why she did not take a strong stand.”
So, I might be understanding this wrong, but you’re saying that you believe that Hillary is lying about her real position on immigration so she can be elected? Then, once she’s in power she’ll change her position?
I completely fail to see how that could be seen as a positive by anyone. If something is right, it’s right, and it’s morally weak not to make a stand for it out of fear. To deliberately deceive voters as to your policy stance just to get elected is worse.
I also doubt that the majority of Latino voters based their vote for HRC using this line of reason – that Hillary is really for immigrants, even when she has repeatedly said she’s against them.
Posted by: Lo | February 6, 2008, 3:18 pm 3:18 pm
It’s nothing new to see black voters vote heavily for black candidates as well as latinos supporting their candidates. Example, large city elections and state districts where one or the other have high consentrations of black or latino residents. As for blacks and latino relations,it sucks, they just don’t get along well.If obama wins the democratic nomination should be a win for McCain in the general election due to large percentage white and hispanic support
Posted by: Darrell Indiana | February 6, 2008, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm
My contribution: I am a Latin woman,college lecturer,married, one daughter ready to go to college ,living abroad who very proudly voted for Sen.Obama yesterday. The Latin American history is quite complicated: they stronlgy believe in paternal/maternal figures (in this case it would mean the Clintons ). Challenging themselves is not welcomed in their comfort zone and the bottom-up working message from Sen. Obama doesn’t appeal to most of them. However, this would apply mostly to older generations; besides, women tend to protect each other, there is a strong sense of fraternity because of the oppression in macho societies. I believe this could explain the majority of the vote. On the other hand, I believe younger generations raised in the USA and the ones who have been able to get a higher education have reacted and will react differently. Sen.Obama has gotten an important Latino support:NY & CA were not overwhelmingly pro Clinton, Sen.Obama got a god number of delegates. What I would really want to know is why Asians supported Clinton with such conviction, maybe because she went once to Beijing or some place in the area, all paid by American taxpayers??I don’t think I have ever heard her mentioning anything about Asians in the USA. Again, the message for all of us should be: ask yourself what you can do for your country (Obama’s spirit based on JFK’s theory)not what your country can do for you ( people expecting the government to solve their problems, in Spanish this would be: papá gobierno ).
Posted by: carmen | February 6, 2008, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm
It’s nothing new to see black voters vote heavily for black candidates as well as latinos supporting their candidates. Example, large city elections and state districts where one or the other have high consentrations of black or latino residents. As for blacks and latino relations,it sucks, they just don’t get along well.If obama wins the democratic nomination should be a win for McCain in the general election due to large percentage white and hispanic support
Posted by: Darrell Indiana | February 6, 2008, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm
By the way OBAMA did great yesterday. His strategy has worked wonderfuly. The game plan was to contain the Clinton’s on Super Tuesday.
The upcoming primary contexts will be the opportunity to voters to actually have the chance to listen to his message of HOPE and CHANGE.
The Democrate party has crafted the Super Tuesday to give the victory to the establishment’s candidate (i.e. the Clinton’s). It didn’t work.
The Clinton’s won’t be able to fool the people over and over (tears, pseudo apologies, lies, etc…). And more importantly the influence of Latinos will be minimal in the upcoming states.
Hillary Clinton was “nice” at the last debate because she was certain to emerge as the WINNER of the Super Tuesday. Watch out, the pressure is on her again. She will send Bill to do his bull-dog job.
OBAMA has the means, the strategy, and a network of grass root support to win this election.
And he will emerge as the winner of this context. The Clinton’s cannot contrast McCain. Only OBAMA can provide and alternative to this Bush’s clone. McCain will continue the war, he will keep us in recession, and will please Wall Street.
Posted by: Docta | February 6, 2008, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm
I love these arguments that say Obama is a lightweight.
Are you real?
-Constitutional law professor @ U. of Chicago
-Harvard educated chair of Harvard Law Review
-8 years in Illinois legislature (same as Lincoln when elected)
-4 years U.S. Senate
And your candidate?
Hillary – 6 years U.S. Senate
Hillary – NO other legislative or executive experience
Hillary – 6 years on board of Walmart
Hillary – 8 years prop queen for luvy duvy Bimbo Bill in White House.
You kidding me about experience? Yea, she’s experienced all right…as the other woman I guess.
Posted by: Cedric | February 6, 2008, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm
Does anyone really believe, Obama can beat John McCain in Florida, Ohio, Arizona, Nevada, Missouri, Arkansas, New Mexico etc.? A democratic presidential candidate has to win some of these states in order to win the general election. A small number of Independents vote and there too John McCain will win by at least 15 points, as most independents tend to be in the middle where John McCain is. Hillary is strong among women and hispanics, even with a novemeber contest against McCain, and pulls almost even with Obama among white men. On the other hand Obama will get most of the votes of Hillary supporters whites, hispanics and women. But the thing thats troubling for the democrats is that Blacks and ultraleftists are already talking about not voting for clinton(if nominated) in November or worse voting for McCain. Black radio talk show hosts and some people in the mainstream media (talking about the bradley effect) injected race into the campaign, after New Hampshire, Obama(or his campaign by sending emails abou hillary’s comments which could be percieved as downplaying activism and hence black activism) didnot try to rise above it but took the opportunity to criticise Clinton for remarks about how politician and activists together brought about the necessary change via civil rights act, calling them unfortunate(how come?? what was so unfortunate there???). As Rangle said race came into this contest because Obama said ‘race’. That very day he lost lower mid-west, Ohio and Florida to McCain(or any projected republican nominee). If a candiadte running to overcome barriers can’t rise above he said she said and picking apart comments made in good faith then whats the difference between him and others, McCain looks much better in contrast. Now ppl are using stupid excuses to not vote for either Hillary or Barak. Why would you want another 8 years of Republicans. In retrospect i think the decision of Obama to run this time was not a wise one, he is going to get killed by McCain and the republicans on every front experience, dirt digging, age, policy matters and voting record. On top of that he has been there only two years, you gotta be more seasoned to take on the media which mostly has moderate republican leanings(hence any one but Clinton mantra), with the female vote(the largest voting block) out of the equation and up for grabs, without Hillary, its going to be a tough one for Obama and the democrats. Obama hasn’t learned he tricks of the trade yet, he has never thanked his opponents in the speeches he makes after winning and losing a primary, in contrast John McCain seems the winner even when he is making a concession speech. Obama is going to be analyzed and ripped apart by the media and republicans. There is not much to be analysed about McCain and everyone knows the negatives of Hillary. McCain and Hillary can only go up from here while Obama will go down once the enthusiasm dies down and the media attention is taken off Hillary and her detractors among Democrats.
Posted by: lookingforwardtoNov | February 6, 2008, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm
There’s not that much difference between Obama‘s and Hillary’s political platforms. The difference is between the candidates. If you prefer the Democratic platform over the Republican then I think you need to look at who has the best chance of beating John McCain.
The hard core Republicans will vote Republican. Rank and file Democrats will vote Democratic. Who will get the Independents? Who will turn out the vote amongst those who don’t always participate? That is where the election will be won or lost.
I disagree with most of McCain’s ideas. However, he is a hero and a patriot. He’s likable. Most of all, he has integrity and a strong record of getting the Independent vote.
Obama has charisma. He has gotten thousands of people involved in politics for the first time
Then there is Hillary. She may be the choice of staunch Democrats but she is divisive.
She claims 35 years of “experience”. How many people actually consider themselves to have experience in their spouse’s profession? What about the 8 years she sat on the board of Walmart? She did not disagree when Walmart fought unionization keeping their wages $2.00 to $3.00 per hour below other stores and denying health care benefits to the majority of workers. With a $68,000.00 salary, most of us would consider this part of her “experience”.
As First Lady, she led the Health Care Reform Team. Her plans were completely rejected by her own party. Remember the Democratic Senators who claim she threatened to “demonize” anyone who didn’t go along?
What about her connection to Bill? Remember he was impeached by the House. When does a technicality make it not a lie? “I did not have sexual relations with this woman” (Only vaginal intercourse is sexually relations? Mutual masturbation and blow jobs don’t count?) “It depends on how you define”is” ”.Come on, sure his sex life should be his own business but the larger issue is he was totally dishonest. Much of America does not forget and Hillary is tainted by association.
The list goes on. The point is Hillary is not well liked or trusted. Plenty of people will rally against her. Lets get behind a candidate everyone feels good about.
Posted by: long memory | February 6, 2008, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm
Funny how all the Obama supporters are calling Latino’s racist because they did not vote for Obama. Even though we have voted for many African-Americans who now sit in various city’s as Councilman, State Representatives, School District officials, etc..etc..
Let’s talk about the intimidation that is going on in the Latino community with some African-Americans harassing people on the phone and beating up people for not voting for Obama.
Latinos voted for Hillary because we believe in her and know she will do whatever it takes to help our country get back on it’s feet. Create jobs, health-care plan that makes sense, economy, etc..etc.
It’s odd nobody is noting the fact that the majority of African-Americans “are” voting for Obama because he is a black candidate and not for what he can do or not do for the country. Only on his Hopes & Dreams speeches with nothing substantial being brought to the table.
As for those who are saying Hillary supporters are ignorant and don’t have a clue, let me remind you Obama will need these votes to win the nomination.
Obama supporters are such mean spirited people and they have the nerve to advocate for a person who will supposedly bring unity among all parties.
I will join such ignorance just because he has Kennedy and Oprah falling for it.
Posted by: Ready4Hillary | February 6, 2008, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm
Funny how all the Obama supporters are calling Latino’s racist because they did not vote for Obama. Even though we have voted for many African-Americans who now sit in various city’s as Councilman, State Representatives, School District officials, etc..etc..
Let’s talk about the intimidation that is going on in the Latino community with some African-Americans harassing people on the phone and beating up people for not voting for Obama.
Latinos voted for Hillary because we believe in her and know she will do whatever it takes to help our country get back on it’s feet. Create jobs, health-care plan that makes sense, economy, etc..etc.
It’s odd nobody is noting the fact that the majority of African-Americans “are” voting for Obama because he is a black candidate and not for what he can do or not do for the country. Only on his Hopes & Dreams speeches with nothing substantial being brought to the table.
As for those who are saying Hillary supporters are ignorant and don’t have a clue, let me remind you Obama will need these votes to win the nomination.
Obama supporters are such mean spirited people and they have the nerve to advocate for a person who will supposedly bring unity among all parties.
I will not join such ignorance just because he has Kennedy and Oprah falling for it.
Posted by: Ready4Hillary | February 6, 2008, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm
Blacks and latinos don’t get along. If Obama wins democratic nomination I see McCain winning general election due to black majority voting for Obama and whites and hispanic voting against the black candidate.
Posted by: Darrell Indiana | February 6, 2008, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm
Dear George!
I am sorry that you feel somehow I am twist your words. I for one, would hope for one day, I can vote for a non white president. When Senator announce his candidate, I feel bad, I knew that I won’t support him. I wished he have couple more years of experience under his bell. To me, the choice is ideas vs experiences and I choose experiences.
However, the ideas that somehow the African American is somehow special, deserved special attention doesn’t hold the water. Any minority groups experience some levels of discrimination. The Irish American, was considered second class citizen when they first migrated to America. The American Indian had their land taken. The Chinese was slaves brought here to build the railroads. The Japanese was taken to concerntration camp during WW2. The Hispanic immigrant was exploit for argiculture during the 60′. That’s why we now celebrate Cezar Chavez.
My question is are we tried to hold on to the past discrimination or working toward the future ? Are we continue to keep the feeling of being victimzed or we start try to be better as American ?
Change in society attitude will enable more oppotunities for minorities, but that won’t happened if we don’t help ourselves. That got to start from each individual doing the right thing.
Posted by: asianmalesmoker | February 6, 2008, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm
Gotta love it -
Monday Night/Tuesday Morning
Yesterday before the returns it was all about delegate counts.
Who cares who wins the states – it’s the delegate count that counts.
She may win more states but our guy is going to get more of what is important, and that is delegates. Let her brag, we will get more delegates.
We are ahead now in the polls. She was up 30 pts in September and December, but those polls don’t matter no more. We are ahead now.
We got the Kennedys, John Kerry and the Massachusetts Governor on our side. We are ahead now by 4pts and its a wave – she is going down. September and December was a long time ago.
Same thing in NJ. Who cares if she was ahead back then, this is now, its time for change – we are ahead of her in 3 polls, she is losing to the wave, the surge of the youth vote. September is the past, we are the future. She’s gonna feel the change tomorrow, you wait and see!!!
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Wednesday Morning
We won more states! Yeah she won the big states, BUT WE WON MORE – SHE LOST!!!! Why are we not in the headlines, we won almost twice as many states!!
She should have won Massachusetts – she was up 30 pts in September and December – we came back and almost did it.
She should have won NJ. She was up 30 pts in September and December. We came back and almost did it.
She only won 8 states and we won 13! That means we won!!
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Reality Check
Obama won more Red states that no Democrat will win in November.
Connecticutt and Missouri and New Mexico are dead even.
He won his home state and so did Hillary.
She might still pick up NM, and has tiny American Samoa with its 6 delegates.
That means it could be 12 States for Obama, 9 States + Samoa for Clinton.
But here is a civics test for you. Go add up the ELECTORAL votes Obama’s states give him. Then when you have that total go add up Clinton’s ELECTORAL votes for California, New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Florida, and hell, even Michigan.
There is your reality check.
Winning red states in a primary doesn’t mean you are EVER going to win those (Idaho, Utah, ND, Alaska, Kansas) in the General.
If you barely won Missouri, New Mexico (which is still out), and Connecticutt, that is no mandate for the Wave Of Change.
All in all it is pretty clear – the OBAMAthon did well, getting a lot of states, but less delegates. Clinton did better because she crushed him in the states that will count when November comes to town.
Posted by: 2009 Where Are You? | February 6, 2008, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm
PS ALL candidates signed on to the Super Delegate Rules long before a vote was cast.
Obama was aware of the super delegates and basically said he would be able to secure more of them, so let’s do it.
Clinton signed on thinking she would do better with the super delegates, so she to said let’s do it.
Now the OBAMAthon is spinning this as a conspiracy of super delegates against Obama.
He got so many Establishment Deep Rooted Democratic Elder endorsements, we thought he would be a shoe-in, but NOW, oh no, the establishment is against him. They are stealing the vote. He is being abused by the Leadership.
Don’t try it because its patently false to do so. All parties knew the rules. All parties SIGNED the dotted line last year. All parties have an equal shot of getting those delegates.
So before you all try THAT trick, it’s already exposed, so save your breath.
They split Super Tuesday. The Wave of Change petered out. There was no surge in the states that mattered. In Novemeber it will not be Idaho, Kansas, Utah, and Alaska that decide the election.
It’s NY, NJ, California, Florida, Texas, Ohio, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Illinois. And Clinton won 6 of the 9 so far.
Posted by: 2009 Where Are You? | February 6, 2008, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm
If you accused the Latino voters voted for Hillary Clinton is based upon the race. Then can people also question that the majority of Black voted for Obama is also based upon the race? According to your logic, it seems only the White did not vote based upon race now! I don’t think this is right and I don’t think this is a healthy discussion! Obama champ. should not accused the Latinos playing the races game just because they did not voted for him! It’s not fair to the Latinos and it’s not fair to Hillary Clinton as well. Ask Obama how much homework he has done to understand the other ethnic groups in this country? Ask Obama how much has he done for the other ethnic groups before? Ask Obama how much experiences he has in dealing with different ethnic groups? Be a uniter, not a divider! to be a uniter, you need to actualy do something to unite people. You can do things that hert the other groups while labeling yourself a uniter loudly!
Posted by: Fangjue | February 6, 2008, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm
There is a fascinating dichotomy happening in American politics today. Southern Whites voted for Huckabee and Obama. Missouri voted for Huckabee and Obama, as did other states with a White majority like Colorado, Utah and Alaska. This is going to be an interesting year with the summer Olympics in China and the election for president. I am a Democrat but I believe Mccain will win with a socially conservative running mate like Romney or Huckabee. I bet on Huckabee because he will carry the southern states as he did yesterday.
Posted by: Lunar New Year | February 6, 2008, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm
I like both Hillary and Obama, but neither will win. Obama did not work hard enough for the Asian vote leading up to super Tuesday. He must remedy that to gain their support and campaign in Asian communities. He still speaks of America as one block, one place, without factoring in the differences. America likes that, which explains why so many White people-there are now Republicans for Obama- voted for him. It would be wonderful if our country was truly that way, but unfortunately we are not there yet. Perhaps, it is best if a Republican won so that they can clean up the mess left by Bush.
Posted by: American girl | February 6, 2008, 4:15 pm 4:15 pm
There were big losers yesterday and every election day. No, I am not talking about candidates. I am talking about many voters who gave their votes to their candidates just because of the race and the gender, and the ethnicity. They did a great disservice to the country and to the progress we yearn for.
Recently, ABC news reported Hill’s role in Walmart, which has been against the formation of unions. To this day, I wonder why the media is not putting a spotlight on this news? And more importantly, which union in the right mind chose and still chooses to support Hillary, who has done nothing to help workers form unions!!! This is laughable at best!
Posted by: truth4ever | February 6, 2008, 4:24 pm 4:24 pm
Guess what? The counting of the delegates 1 day later in the late afternoon is still not done. Obama could win delegates as well. Just caught that on TV.
Posted by: Angela | February 6, 2008, 4:35 pm 4:35 pm
Amigos hold your horses.
The AA has right to vote for Barack Obama. Not because he is half black, but because Hill & Bill injected the race in this campaign. If one of your upmost held heros of Hispanic history was belittled the way MLK was, I am sure you have intelligence and moral obligation not to vote for the culprits.
Think about it! **FYI, I am not black.
Posted by: truth4ever | February 6, 2008, 4:35 pm 4:35 pm
Hillary is just toilet paper for the same elite that run the country now under puppet Bush.
Any vote for Hillary is vote for:
The North American Union:
More H1-b visas:
More unchecked immigration:
Even Higher Taxes:
Or worse Amnesty!
She’s taking health care money now, she will not do anything about healthcare that will amount to anything meaningful.
I am sorry but a vote for Hillary is a vote for the next republican, which BTW will yield the same results.
The US has been owned.
Posted by: John From Kansas | February 6, 2008, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm
Hispanics made a great mistake by voting to Clintons. While the whole nation is looking for a change, Hispanics felt in Clintons’ trap. Hispanics forget that they are a part of America and isolated themself from normal Americans. No reason to know why did hard working class Hispanics supported the Wal-Mart queen and the lied president. To the nature of Hispanics they should have support a hard working honest leader like OBAMA. Hispanics do not worry, your mistakes does not put our future in danger. Still left americans do the right thing to send the billionaires Clintons back home and elect the honest man OBAMA as their president.
Posted by: Marmayogi | February 6, 2008, 4:53 pm 4:53 pm
Truth4ever,
MLK was never belittled. Give me a break. Even the people left from the MLK marches claim it. So check yourself.
If you wanted to belittle MLK they could have talked about how he foresaw america being a socialist country, and we could speak about how he was supported by communist. And yes it does take a compasionate president to sign laws. Look at bush and S-chip!
And yes I AM BLACK!
Posted by: werdup | February 6, 2008, 4:58 pm 4:58 pm
Marmayogi,
I hope your not one of those people who thinking it is cool to vote for OBama cuz he has a video, and the OBama girl. that is not what this election is about! Which raises another issue. on the debate in CA, OBama said,” I have two girls of my own I care deeply about what they watch on TV.” OH yeah Obama, why did you have a pole dancer showing her rear on the Superbowl commercial. You guys can believe this two faced project. I don’t, he’s all show , no tell. Instead of just arguing with people and me about it , read , read, and when your done , research deeper. read his book . Obama can’t even remember the people he wrote about. (THIS IS A FACT PEOPLE LOOK IT UP< USE GOOGLE)(I refuse to vote for him , ill go republican, the stuff on this guy is BAD! The only thing I can figure is that the republicans who have control over clear channel are getting him nominated.)I mean come on you really want someone who can't remember who he wrote about to be your pres??? How bout this and look this up too. Obama claims he was the product of his parents marching on the selma bridge. well that took place 4 years after he was born???? Do you want a president who forgot when he was born?? or did he make that up , it's one or the other, ask him , he said it . Google it!!! research people please.
While your at it , look up how the republicans run two campains, one for the republicans and one for who they want to run against. I know they will eat him alive, you watch as soon as Obama gets the nom, and it looks like he's getting it, all the trash will flow on the front pages of news papers and websites across the nation. all his endorsers will look like fools for not see the hidden republican treasures, and will have another republican inthe white house.
A few other items to look up
*Nuclear and obama<— opps did i miss something
*Obama attends a racist church<– Oh no , he never played the race card.
*Obama Likes single payer insurance? <—- Oh no he didn't
*Obama lies about guns<— Is he for or against it , we will never know???
*Obama and Resko<——How did he get his house again?
*Obama Was A Constitutional Law Professor<– no you weren't you are just registered as a speaker.
*Obama's record on choice is less than 50%. He pretends to be pro-choice while voting for anti-choice justices who have vowed to end choice. Obama even voted for cloture on Priscilla Owen, a justice Alberto Gonzales felt was too far to the right
*Obama's pretense at being anti-war is a fraud on the American people. His actions are fully pro-war. He has voted anti-choice and to keep the USA-PATRIOT Act. A win for Obama will be a win for the neo-con agenda. An Obama nomination is a guaranteed loss for the American people who would have no major candidates to support in 2008.
What do you really know about Obama, seems to me , not much!
Posted by: Daniel -TX | February 6, 2008, 5:05 pm 5:05 pm
asianmalesmoker: Blacks did not vote in any numbers at all for Alan Keyes. Why, if, as you claim, blacks only vote based on skin color? It’s because they didn’t agree with him on the ISSUES. In the last election, blacks overwhelming supported the white candidate, Kerry.
Posted by: Alien Nation | February 6, 2008, 5:11 pm 5:11 pm
Latino’s watch out. Berry Goldwater liked Hillary look at quote below:
On Hillary Clinton, who was an ardent Goldwater supporter in 1964: “If he’d let his wife run business, I think he’d be better off. … I just like the way she acts. I’ve never met her, but I sent her a bag of chili, and she invited me to come to the White House some night and said she’d cook chili for me. Someday, maybe.”
Posted by: Ticked | February 6, 2008, 5:13 pm 5:13 pm
Alien Nation !
Because they know Alan Key had zero change of winning. Both Obama and Clinton have almost identical platform. You can argue for youth vs experience, but not issues.
Sorry, I am married and happy with that.
Posted by: asiansmoker | February 6, 2008, 5:26 pm 5:26 pm
Hillary tapped the ingrained political process of many Latin American nations. I’ve lived in Latin America for 25 years, I know how the political system works most of the time. You vote expecting a quid pro quo in which the political bosses hand out the rewards. This mind set does not go away by becoming an American citizen, it needs a generational shift for Latinos to put the needs of the country ahead of their personal needs. I hope Obama will not play this greedy game. Hillary got more than 90% of the California Latino politicians in her pocket. No wonder she won the Latino vote!
Posted by: Carlos | February 6, 2008, 5:35 pm 5:35 pm
Dear Daniel-TX:
Thank you for pointing out 8 plus issues with Obama. Everyone of us know that none of these are either correct or wrong. In another side, we can pin point thousand of prooved issues with CLINTONS. Just think from your heart, compare the character of Clintons and Obama and you will decide to VOTE OBAMA for a better future.
?? Clintons were behind the black leaders just for a win – Tell me who is the racist.
?? Why did Clintons failed to bring the universal health insurance when they are ruling our country for 2 terms – The have strong tie up with insurance corps and still maintains it. Clintons word are sugar coated poisons to make us to vote for them.
?? Gun Control – Obama strongly supports gun control as same like normal people wish.
?? RESKO – Obama frankly speakes the relation between him as the employee and client thing. Even after having a profession photo, Clintons lied us that they do not remember RESKO and Clintons supporters too received money for campaign from RESKO. Here, compare Clintons and OBAMA – You will stay for OBAMA.
?? Obama Was A Constitutional Law Professor – Not like Clintons supporting Anti Unionists like Wal-Mart.
Do you think Unions will endorse Clintons. Unions will endorse OBAMA and bive the best president to USA.
?? Obama’s record on choice is less than 50%. Hillary the daughter of well known republican with gold spoon pro-choice foundation. Clintons still stay and live for Pro-life. To keep chemicals away we need such things as Fertal rights and Stemcell. Obama is a pro-choice. Humanbeings in the earth will SUPPORT OBAMA.
?? Obama’s pretense at being anti-war: Judgement is ability for a leader, Bush went on war with Iraq just for Oil money lieing people WMD. Clintons too made a big mistake by preaching the huge Bush’s lie to us. Some mistakes put us in Jeopardy and the same way it did for thousands of lifes. Still Clintons are not applogicing people for the mistake they make. Just compare their Judgement ability – You will VOTE for OBAMA.
A win for Obama will be a win for the humanity.
An Obama nomination is a guaranteed good life for the American people who do not want to have a lieing and bad characteristic president no more.
Posted by: Marmayogi | February 6, 2008, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm
Mr “i’m for the little guy” Obama. I dare you to ask questions regarding University of Chicago hospitals in his home state.. He took $120,000 in donations from this “not for profit” hospital who charges 350% mark up on cost for the uninsured and 538% mark up on pharmaceuticals for the uninsured. The make over $100 million profit per annum for the last several years. Yet as someone concerned about health care and the uninsured he has never objected to their practices let alone censured them publicly and this is in his own state. You trust him with health care. His wife just happened to work for university of Chicago Hospital earning $120,000 p.a but strangely after he was sworn into the senate she got a a $200K pay rise. Ask him about Bay Valley foods and how his wife layed off. This is all public record. Including IRS returns. He is not being vetted and if you think the Republicans aren’t going to dig. They won’t hold back based on race or spouse and if people can accuse Bill then Michelles history is also open to scrutiny.
Posted by: I dare you | February 6, 2008, 5:46 pm 5:46 pm
As you can tell by the Super Tuesday results, America is not listening to Oprah Winfrey (or should I say the “new” Barbara Streisand) or her Kennedy sidekicks or even, for that matter, the press corps. Instead, Americans are actually watching the debates, cutting through the hype, and reaching informed decisions. In other words, we are not allowing the press and image makers to manipulate us as they did eight years ago. The stakes are too high. Our nation is at war and in a recession. Thoughtful thinkers trust Hillary Clinton’s judgment and steady hand to steer us out of its current difficulties. As far as Barack Obama’s recent mudslinging, he needs to stop being so naïve. The Republican Party has a dossier on him and his family as well. The only thing we know for certain about Barack Obama is that he can effectively deliver a speech someone has written for him. Hillary Clinton, on the other hand, has provided a well-thought out roadmap for economic recovery and for getting our troops out of Iraq. What Barack Obama offers with his mudslinging is a very unflattering spotlight on his true character.
Posted by: Jane | February 6, 2008, 6:14 pm 6:14 pm
So, Tapper’s saying that some or most Hispanics reflexively support illegal activity, as long as it’s performed by others of their race/ethnicity? And, he’s saying it’s acceptable to encourage that? And, he also missed Hillary’s false choice regarding deportations? Can I suggest bringing on someone who knows about these issues?
Posted by: A friend | February 6, 2008, 6:40 pm 6:40 pm
Hispanics certainly will make an impact on the elections like they have from past years but please keep in mind, today, Hispanics as a collective group represents 14% of U.S. population.
As a voting block, in general, they are faith and family-based, conservative to moderate in values, concerned with economic conditions that affect income. Therefore, neither party can put the Hispanic vote in the bank.
One could say such a characterization is not ethic but mainstream in values. I think it is fair to say, most, if not all American families do not like risky or unstable political and economic conditions.
Most younger Hispanics will be attracted to Senator Obama not because the color of his skin but for his message for a better economic future for all. Middle-age and older Hispanics will be for Senator Clinton because of the Clinton administration’s record with Hispanics, they have a history together which is not risk based.
Latinas relate much more with “Hillary” because of the gender struggle, which is their gender struggle as well.
For Hispanics and politics, it is all about the family and mobility. I would say the apple does not far from the tree for most Americans as well, regardless of their heritage.
Posted by: threeriverscrossing | February 6, 2008, 6:42 pm 6:42 pm
Allow me pose an idea that comes from studying Latin American History and graduating college with honors. Latin American culture (countries once owned by Spain) have historically been about race. The whiter a person is or was the closer to a Spaniard he or she is seen to be. 95% of the wealth of Central and South America has been held by 5% of the people for more than 400 years. Those who hold the wealth are lighter skinned than those who are poor. Those who look more like their native ancestors (Mayan, Inca, etc.) and whose skin is dark make up the poorest of the poor in Latin America. Those with dark skin are seen as beneath those who have lighter skin. Thus, wealth, power and status in most Latin American countries (sans Belize) is seen through the color of a person’s skin and the lighter skinned a person is the more they are revered. I know it sounds ridiculous, but it is true. 400 years of culture based on race will be a hard thing for Senator Obama to break. I do not believe it is a black/brown thing, but rather a Spaniard v. Mixed race thing. I hope that Latin American people who have chosen to live in the United States will soon realize that all of us bleed red and we are all human beings…our skin color and economic standing are irrelevant – our character and what we believe in is what is important.
Posted by: NvMe | February 6, 2008, 6:46 pm 6:46 pm
It was mentioned last night that Obama did a lot better among Latinos that spoke/read English, but poorly among non-English speaking Latinos. The theory is because of Latino media corporate executives that support Clinton campaign controlling news coverage (i.e., providing Hillary a lot of coverage).
Posted by: tc | February 6, 2008, 6:47 pm 6:47 pm
Hillary can do everything that Obama can at 1/2 the price, Obama’s just another expensive empty box.
Posted by: BTL musings | February 6, 2008, 6:55 pm 6:55 pm
The TRUTH hurts doesnt it. If everone found out Hillary has no lead at all they will stop donating. So it looks like I will be on a mission.
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Posted by: Looks likea Democrat | February 6, 2008, 6:56 pm 6:56 pm
I would vote for a Latino rather than Obama. Obama will only tax the working people and give to welfare queens. Only states can issue drivers license. What did Obama think Latinos are as stupid as the black comunity to believe his lies
Posted by: latin dude | February 6, 2008, 7:02 pm 7:02 pm
Makes it hard to tell who is exploiting who. Trust me on this…Campaign Alliances…just like Campaign Promises are cheap.
Posted by: Michael Basham | February 6, 2008, 7:16 pm 7:16 pm
Why dont you write about why blacks are voting for Obama, Why media wants to force Obama…I never understood that.abcnews should stop this biased articles.
Posted by: travelnsee | February 6, 2008, 7:42 pm 7:42 pm
Minorities vote for Clinton because they haven’t done their research, plain and simple. Most Americans don’t do the research, instead relying on their random gut feelings about a candidate, or waiting for the TV to tell them what to do.
Case in point, look at all the people on this thread who say they voted for Hillary because she can win in November. Every poll clearly shows that in a hypothetical general election, Obama does much better against the republican candidates than Clinton. She loses to some of them. She will lose to McCain in November, or pull off a miraculous close victory, then proceed to get nothing done for eight years. The republicans HATE Hillary and Bill Clinton, and will do whatever is necessary to make her life difficult.
The reason that we’re still in Iraq despite the majority-dem congress is that the republicans are effectively preventing any action. The dems don’t have the votes to override a veto, and the president vetos anything he doesn’t like. Electing Hillary Clinton as president will just further piss off the Republicans and motivate them to cause trouble. They’ll find a reason to impeach her, too, and her refusal to make various records public implies that they may have cause.
Contrast that to Obama, who has registered Republicans volunteering at his headquarters every time I go down there. Personally, I would like to see a Democrat in office on 01.20.09, and I would like that President to do things for the next eight years. The best chance of that happening is for the dems to nominate Obama.
The evidence agrees with me, but most people are ignorant of the evidence. Instead they believe the pathetic Koran/pledge of allegiance/flag-hating rumors. I weep for Americans.
Posted by: Lo | February 6, 2008, 7:52 pm 7:52 pm
Not all Hispanic families that have migrated to the U.S. are new immigrants. There are many Hispanics families here in the U.S. with genealogies that date back before the Mayflower. These Hispanic descendants came from Spanish colonial families that settle in Florida, Louisiana, Texas, New Mexico, Colorado, Arizona, and California just to mention a few and have rich ancestry that have fought in every war related to American history.
Today, many of these Hispanic descendants are educated and mainstream but look at the illegal immigration issue with a different pair of lens that can delineates among what is compassion and what is legal, in that their American dream has been built on hard work, sacrifice and obeying the laws of the land, despite the discrimination from the greater society as a whole.
Posted by: threeriverscrossing | February 6, 2008, 7:57 pm 7:57 pm
It is absolutely amazing to read these posts and see how people have no idea about the largest minority in the U.S.. As far as the charge of racism, wow, it clearly shows the lack of understanding of this community. About the guy who said he studied LA history, go back and read the more books you have no idea about what you are talking about.
Hillary has had a long history with the latino community, that is why they voted for her. Obama all they hear is that his new for change, but what kind of change. Latinos vote for the person they have experience with. Many latinos are also against illegal immigration and want tougher measures, especially educated latinos. So people get a grip and stop all this stereotyping.
Posted by: Latino in New York | February 6, 2008, 7:59 pm 7:59 pm
Could somebody tell me please, what Barack Obama had ever done for the Latino community? While you are it, can somebody also tell me what Obama actually achieved or done for the African American community while as a community organizer?
Inspiring speaches will not put bread on my dinner table. That’s the fact Mam…
Posted by: Sam | February 6, 2008, 8:10 pm 8:10 pm
Someone mentioned that stupid people are the majority and that’s why politicians mainly try to win their support. This is true, in a twisted kind of way.
Results show that the majority of the educated voters (those that attended university)supported Obama.
He therefore has no chance.
(Bearing in mind that not everyone who has been to university are intelligent and v.versa, of course)
Posted by: Caesar | February 6, 2008, 8:29 pm 8:29 pm
Latinos don’t know enough about senator Obama. They believe anything Hillary wants to tell them. Do they know Hillary gets more funding from special interest groups and lobbyists than any other candidate in eighter party?Do they know she has made 50 million dollars during her career as a politician? Do they remember the sex scandals and payoffs and infighting of the 90′s? They should go to Obama’s website and hear him talk about the issues. He will be a fair and effective president we can all be proud of.
Posted by: Dalpine | February 6, 2008, 8:52 pm 8:52 pm
What Mike Tapper doesn’t mention is that what Gregory Rodriguez wrote was an Op-Ed piece in the LA Times, based on individual cases and elections across different states(which produces different affiliations; wishful thinking by Gregory Rodriguez and others like him ). Another Latina columnist wrote about her frustration with her mother for voting for Hillary, while she was an Obama supporter. In general older Latinos are voting for Hillary, same as why older white women vote for her–experience and a concrete platform as opposed to idealist youth(also probably why Asians also supported Hillary with about 2/3 vote). Look at the other article that talks about the Sanchez sisters, both congresswomen, Linda and Loreta. One (the one with more experience in Congress went with Hillary, while the newer less experienced went with Obama.) I hear the same thing coming from my parents and a lot of older Hispanics can’t get past Obama’s marijuana use(the other LA Times columnist makes this point about why her mother voted for Hillary.) I personally think Obama could do better with conservatives and white voters in the general election, but things are what they are and most Hispanic voters would have rather voted for Hillary because of experience with her(that and the fact that she isn’t conservative by any means), and because Obama did very little or too little too late to reach out to Spanish speaking and older Hispanics(even if he claims to be on their side with the issues–most Hispanics don’t know that, and those that do, like my parents don’t trust him or have a “gut feeling” and don’t believe him. I just don’t trust him because he’s Hawaiian, and I’ve known most Hawaiians to be a little too laid back(I would love to vote a black candidate), from personal experience, and in general Hispanics like most other Hillary supporters want concrete plans and a plan for change not jump on the bandwagon with what’s hot at the moment when he has no concrete outline about how he’ll bring change about (just like Romney’s commercials).
Posted by: Danny | February 6, 2008, 9:22 pm 9:22 pm
Sorry Jake Tapper, not Mike. Honest mistake.
Posted by: Danny | February 6, 2008, 9:30 pm 9:30 pm
IF YOU LOVE YOUR COUNTRY VOTE OBAMA 2008
WE NEED CHANGE AND WE NEED IT NOW !!!!
RESTORE “HONOR” AND INTEGRITY TO THE WHITEHOUSE.
NIETHER A BUSH NOR A CLINTON QUALIFIES!!!
VOTE OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT AND LET’S FIX THIS MESS THAT GW BUSH AND HIS REPUBLICAN BUSHBOTS LEFT US WITH!!
ALL THESE “SUPER DELAGATES” (SENATORS AND CONGRESSMEN CURRENTLY IN OFFICE) WHO ARE SUPPORTING HILLARY ARE EITHER RE-PAYING FAVORS FROM HER HUSBAND OR WANT POLITICS UNCHANGED. EITHER WAY, PAY ATTENTION TO WHO THEY ARE ARE WHEN WE RID OURSELFS OF HILLARY THEY CAN GO DOWN WITH HER. IT IS TIME TO CLEAN HOUSE AND START CLEAN!!
LET’S RESTORE HONOR AND INTEGRITY TO THE WHITEHOUSE……VOTE OBAMA 2008 !!!
Posted by: Dave Peck | February 6, 2008, 9:51 pm 9:51 pm
In response to your article, ” Hillary Si, Obama No! Que?” Tapper you sound like an arrogant bigot. The issues you raise in your article about Latino concerns really exposed how little you know about why Hillary has gained so much support. For the record, Latinos in California are quite cable of voting for candidates who we believe to be the most qualified, competent, and experienced. Regardless of their skin color or gender. Hillary Clinton has a plan for “change,” and doesn’t just offer a bunch of rhetoric! It’s evident that she is extremely knowledgeable on issues facing our nation, and is prepared with a plan to resolve them. She also articulates her plan extremely well to the public by devoting a time to questions and answers during rallies, unlike Obama. Why doesn’t he anyway? If he were as confident and prepared as he emulates, he would be eager to communicate solutions to vital issues facing our nation. Unlike you Tapper, a majority of us want to know a candidates plan on solving important issues, and require it before we will vote for them. Otherwise it all sounds like the same familiar rhetoric we’ve heard from past politicians who made promises, but never deliver. G-ringo, wake up and smell ballot box!
Posted by: Patricia Mejia | February 6, 2008, 10:02 pm 10:02 pm
When Bill Clinton was President he signed the Trade aggrement with China, Hillary also supported it. Hillary also voted for the Iraq war. Both the China trade aggrement and the war has killed our economy. I think we need Obama in the White House to clean up after Bush and the Clintons.
Posted by: jerry payen | February 6, 2008, 10:40 pm 10:40 pm
This one is easy to answer: The Hispanics that can vote are not obsessed with illegal immigration… Their issues are fair wages, healthcare, social security, education, all those things in common with working-class America!
Posted by: Roberto | February 6, 2008, 10:44 pm 10:44 pm
How easy is for an unexperience senator like Barack Hussein Obama to talk about change and not being able to articulate and explain in plain English how he would do that. Specially on these hard and changing times which the US and the Rest of the World are going through and will continue doing so for a while for sure.
Does Barack Hussein Obama, realizes that in today’s economies, societies, and geographies around this country and the world, real change seems to be the only constant and we as the US can not afford people without experience to deal with the changes and related issues?
Many young and middle class people across the US are getting tired of his “smart and quick answers” based on theory and “smooth talking about change without enough experience on many important issues”…talking smooth and good lip service are is always cheap ……we are Americans are tired of it.
Posted by: Harry | February 7, 2008, 12:24 am 12:24 am
I AM A SIXTY YEAR OLD MALE AN I VOTEDY FOR SEN. CLINTON.”VOTE CLINTON 2008.”
Posted by: ALVIN | February 7, 2008, 1:31 am 1:31 am
Hmmm. Obama is a community organizer and that qualifies him for the presidency. Heck, I’m qualified for the presidency too, for that matter. What a joke!
Posted by: jewel1325 | February 7, 2008, 1:31 am 1:31 am
I’ve read many comments here, but so far I haven’t seen anyone mention this:
The Republican strategists/supporters in the media, by using the “race” strategy, are doing an excellent job in DIVIDING democrat voters:
* African-American voters
* Hispanic voters
Democrats get a big chunk of votes from BOTH African-American voters AND Hispanic voters. Republicans know this! And they also know that if they can cause a rift between these two groups of voters, the Democrats CANNOT win – be it Hillary or Obama!
If Hillary wins the nomination: Black voters who wanted Obama to win will not vote for her in the general election.
If Obama wins the nomination: Hispanic voters who voted for Hillary won’t vote for him.
And on top of that, we must remember that the US still have racism, whether you want to believe this or not, and the people are not ready to have a Black president, so the conservative will unite and vote just to keep him out.
It’s a lose-lose scenario!
Posted by: bvt | February 7, 2008, 2:24 am 2:24 am
I just discovered to unite America I need to vote for Hillary because to vote for Barack Obama I realise I have to hate/ridicule/insult women especially white women, people over 60, Hispanics, Asians, people who earn under $75k and and anyone who doesn’t have a degree. I heard a rumour about Jews too but I’ll have to double check that. You see I am just a simple person with the simple idea that people have free will and therefore free minds and we should all respect one another. NO to vote for Obama I would have to becaome a different person who I wouldn’t like very much.
Posted by: I have to vote for Hillary | February 7, 2008, 4:04 am 4:04 am
Most of them don’t follow politics, most don’t know who Obama is other than he is black, and most already know the Clinton name.
Posted by: JT | February 7, 2008, 4:40 am 4:40 am
When Presidents Reagan and Bush left
the largest U.S. defict, It was Bill
Clinton who cleaned up this one trillion
dollar plus defict. President Clinton
also left a Three Trillion dollar surplus in the U.S. Treasury. Thanks to
Bush-Chenney they wiped out the surplus
by giving huge subsidies “welfare” to
the rich. The U.S. has a Nine trillion
dollar deficit. Bush-Chenney have
borrowed one trillion from China to fund the Iraq war. Mrs. Obama has removed the defict from the family budget. I am so impressed by Mrs. Obama.
Barack also was a community leader wow!
Posted by: D.C. Latino | February 7, 2008, 5:47 am 5:47 am
what does Obama know about solving
the huge problems facing the country
when he has not had the experience
of running even a state government?
Even if he has a battery of advisors
Would he know which one he would
listen to in order for him to come
up with the right solutions? His
inexperience would further compound our
problems, I tell you. A vote for
Hillary is the only right vote!
Posted by: Flo | February 7, 2008, 6:39 am 6:39 am
Obamas campaign and supporters are becoming more and more divisive. He started as trying to unite the country but, all he and his supporters do is try to divide…educated not educated, white black, young old, latino black, men women and I am getting tired of his message.
Posted by: vnvet68 | February 7, 2008, 7:13 am 7:13 am
This shows that Americans are waking up!ABC still wont call the States, Missouri and New Mexico. We all know Obama win this 2 states go ahead and call it ABC..Stop covering for Hillary!I guess the older women are still leaning towards Hillary becauce of gender, well all of Obama supporters need to come out in force!Lets not put another Clinton in Office, its time for a Change and his name is Obama.Please all the 18+ Voters need to come out in force, your future is tied up in this race!Voting for Hillary is not moving forward but taking a step back!
Posted by: Time for Change | February 7, 2008, 7:30 am 7:30 am
I am extremely disheartened by some of the opinions here. I am a black man and a supporter of Barack Obama-a fact that I am tired of having to defend. Defend in a way that women don’t have to when they cast a vote for Hillary. Just as it is a sign of ignorance to make the broad assumption that Latinos will not support Obama because he is black, it is also bigoted to make the assumption that African Americans are only supporting him because he is. We care about health care, education, Iraq, and the economy just like the next. If the black vote were that vain, the Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton campaigns would have garnered more weight. All four of my grandparents marched with King on Washington, and it’s a huge slap in the face to have their vote-and mine-marginalized. Makes me wonder if we have really got past the dreaded issue of race as we so claim.
Posted by: JD | February 7, 2008, 7:59 am 7:59 am
Hi I live in London so you may not believe my point to be relevant but I have to make my point. The view from here is that Americans will make the same mistake again by making the wrong choice. George Bush got voted in not once but TWICE. How stupid can people be. If Hillary is nominated she will lose because she is hated so much by republicans, she has so many skeletons in her closet and she is too devisive even in her own party. Mccain will beat her hands down. Obama at least has some Republican support. As far as the Latino vote I think they are Jealous that an African-American could be in the White house way before a Latino and the same goes for the Asian-Americans. Even Republicans want to face Hillary, that alone should tell you something. Don’t be ignorant, read up on the issues and don’t make past mistakes. If Obama was already President almost 3950 Americans would not have lost their lives in Iraq and thousands more would still have their limbs. Hillary voted for it and shows her EXPERIENCE means nothing. The President needs to make the right decisions.
You guys should vote for who is best for your country and the world not with envy and hate. Good luck the world hopes you make the right choice this time.
Posted by: Peter | February 7, 2008, 8:01 am 8:01 am
Hillary couldn’t keep her own house in order (Bill strayed). How is she going to run a country. She is passionate about the presidency so that she can wear the pants this time and kick Bill’s ass or have someone do her??
Posted by: foreigner | February 7, 2008, 8:22 am 8:22 am
Yes “African American voters have been voting for white candidates for years”. I don’t understand why white voters can not vote for a 1/2 Black and 1/2 White candidate. Please make sure you understand Barack is not a black person. He is a Candidate. Check if Barack pilitic may help you and vote for him. Black soldiers are giving their life for America so all of you can have a good job and your families save. Black peoples and latino have help to build America. So I just can call Lotino to not hear these Debate. Vote for the one you think is gthe right candidate
Posted by: Mamadou | February 7, 2008, 8:32 am 8:32 am
Can anyone please tell me what ‘hope’ and
‘change’ actually means to Obama since he
seems to find it very hard to define himself?
Speeches are nice to stir up a crowd into a frenzy but when asked what change will he bring his only answer has been that it will be different than the old ways of during things and wait until I am elected and you will find out.
Most of the Feb 5th wins out side of Georgia and Illinois were in red states that neither Obama or Clinton can win in the general election and that would include Georgia.
Hillary Clinton represents as much change as Obama unless there has been a woman President that I somehow missed.
Someone posted that Obama has 4 years in the Senate which of course he hasn’t since he just started his third and Clinton her 7th.
As far as education both have degrees in law from an Ivy league school.
I do think that Senator Clinton’s position as first lady allowed her to meet many different heads of state and there is no doubt of her superior knowledge of foreign policy experience than that of Obama.
Both senator’s health care plans are similar except that Obama’s is actually Clinton’s except he would leave out something close to 15 million people.
Obama’s position on the war has been no different than Clinton’s in his 2 years in the senate and saying that he was against the war from the beginning is easy to say when you didn’t have to make the hard choice as she and 76 others did especially when that choice was made based on Intel that was manipulated by Bush/Cheney for war. Her vote was preceded by her speech which specifically called for inspectors to go back in and for U.N. involvement but Bush stopped the inspectors and ignored pleas from U.N. members. The Iraq war is Bush/Cheney’s war and no one’s else.
Clinton has demonstrated that she can lead and no so from day one. Obama can only say that he can but has no history of having done so.
The Republicans keep saying how they want to face Clinton as if having her to run against will get them the White House but they know that if the Democrats for Obama keep hammering Clinton and the media falls for all his glitter even though he lacks substance and keep giving him what millions of dollars of advertising can not a person that is inexperience and is not ready to meet the struggles that face this country then they will get who they know they can get Obama.
Latinos in this country for the most part have made their choice and they have made the right choice. We don’t need another inexperience person in the White House. We have suffered because we have had such in Bush.
To all my Latino brothers and sisters across this country and especially in Texas please continue to support, both with you vote and with your money, the only Democratic candidate for President that can win in November and the only one that will not need on the job training.
Please support Senator Hillary Clinton for President.
Posted by: JamesH | February 7, 2008, 8:56 am 8:56 am
La Raza has made great efforts to make illegal “immigration” a racial issue. Since Hillary Clinton has supported amnesty, authored a bill that would have given free medical care to illegal aliens, has ties to Wal-Mart which employs illegal aliens and done everything she can to support the invasion from the south (regardless of what she says now) Hispanics will vote for her. They problem is that many Hispanic Americans hold some of the very jobs that the illegal aliens are taking away. They are cutting their own throats. Hillary doesn’t care about Hispanic Americans or anyone else, she’s just trying to buy votes where ever she can.
Posted by: jijalagi | February 7, 2008, 9:06 am 9:06 am
Please vote for Barack. He has many many time explain what hope means. Someone who don’t want to understand can not be helped. Barack is clear in his message.
Change the moral and ideology from the bush administration to normal working for America politic. It is simple here an example: today bush is not talking to the enemy, Barack will do. I think said that clearly. So if you want you President Who will talk to the enemy vote for Barack. The Enemy sometine in fact (believe or not) even don’t know what you from them? How to want them to change if the message is even not clear. So make sure they understand what you want. That could help to avoid some of the not needed war killing US people and soldiers. That is cahnge. Just an example. You can find in any issue waht Barack means with change.
Posted by: Mamadou | February 7, 2008, 9:10 am 9:10 am
Regarding the Latino vote – has it been established how many Latinos voting are in fact U.S. citizens. Having a green card is not a credential to vote – one has to be born in the U.S. or obtain U.S. Citizenship to vote. How is this established at a polling station?
Posted by: mhairip | February 7, 2008, 10:12 am 10:12 am
Duh!! The Hispanic Americans that can vote are American citizens. You win their vote by speaking to their issues. Immigration?? Please…our issues are far more complex than that. Try the economy, healthcare, social security, education, etc. All those issues working-class Americans have. As for the ID issue, I like that notion. I think all Americans including Euro-Americans should present an ID when they vote!
Posted by: Bob | February 7, 2008, 10:39 am 10:39 am
This election is a scam anyway…there are thousands upon thousands of reports of voter fraud, and disenfranchisement of voters.It makes no difference who wins, as we are run by a corrupt system…It’s time to wake up, and take our country back before it is too late.
Posted by: Antonio | February 7, 2008, 10:43 am 10:43 am
I did not think we had two really good choices as both Obama and Hillary want to award illegal immigrants with amnesty and drivers’ licenses. Hard working people pay into the system and the government wants to give everything away to those who do not pay into it. Social Security was intended to help us when we retire or become disabled.
I think by the time I retire SS won’t be there. All of the money I’m paying into it is being spent.
Posted by: Barbara | February 7, 2008, 10:45 am 10:45 am
JamesH – It is easy to recognize your bias in your post as you myopically boast Senator Clinton’s arguable record of leadership. However, respectfully you sound like a paid hac. I fail to understand how her connection to the Presidency as First Lady uniquely qualifies her to be President. During President Clinton’s first year term in office Hillary was put in charge of Healthcare, but failed to bring both parties together to come up with a consensus to make universal healthcare mandatory. Do you honestly believe that such a polarizing figure can convince the Republican party to work with her on a plan that they are so strongly opposed to? I think not. I see her foresee her Presidency as being as affective as the Democratic controlled congress has been in stopping the war in Iraq. However, there is a better option. Obama. He has already begun to convince some registered Republicans to come to the side of change. For all of the positve impact the Bill Clinton Presidency has had on many Americans, it has also been the subject of great controversy. From inappropriate behavior to questionable business dealings and cover ups, many Democrats would prefer not return to any semblance of that disgrace. Maybe that is not fair to Senator Clinton, who I highly respect and in many ways admire, but it is a reality of many of us disenchanted Democrats. So, I emplore you to look at Senator Obama unbiasly as I have with Senator Clinton, and vote not just for change, which Senator Clinton now claims to champion, but complete change, which you will find in Barack Obama.
Posted by: George | February 7, 2008, 10:48 am 10:48 am
Attention America, Hillary loaned 5 mil to her campaign, why didnt she contribute it ? Cause she wants hard working people to donate it so, she can get her money back out of the donations!Now who are this people Voting for her? lol
Posted by: Demo Rules | February 7, 2008, 10:58 am 10:58 am
Why does everyone think that the government has to give them something in order to get a vote from blacks, whites, and latinos? Can’t people understand the government isn’t qualified to make the best decision for each group? Do it yourself and keep the government out of it people!
Posted by: DoitYourself | February 7, 2008, 11:06 am 11:06 am
Barbara – your reference to Obama being Muslim is either a direct lie designed to fool the unlearned or just plain ignorance on your part for which you have my sympathy. Senator Obama has on a number of occassions professed his Christianity in public to clarify this rediculous rumor. I also feel your frustration and I hear your syncism in your blog as you ponder your choices as the lesser of two evils. However, just as Barack Obama has stated, “we are the change we were looking.” If you are waiting for our government to give us something, then you’ll be waiting for a long time. The change is speaking of can only be accomplished by our unification behind the issues that are important to us and holding those who lead us accountable. If a candidate accepts money from lobbyist, then you should know that they (the candidate) is beholding to them. So, it stands to reason that if the candidate is financially supported by the people, then they (the candidate) is beholding to us. This is the difference between Senator Obama and Hillary Clinton. In fact, I could say the same thing about the Republican party who plays by the same playbook as Senator Clinton. Barbara, this is our time, and we must seize it now before the train has past.
Posted by: George | February 7, 2008, 11:13 am 11:13 am
I am an African American and I am very,
very proud of what the hispanic community is doing right now by voting
for Hillary Clinton in the primaries.
May God bless them for doing the right thing.It seems to me that we have forgotten the heat that Hillary’s husband took from the caucasians just for his likeness of our people.When he
took the office of the president of the
United States,he appointed many Hispanics,African Americans,Asians,
American Indians into various cabinet
positions.This actualy offended very
many whites.He gave Rosa Park the
congrssional medal of freedom,
apologized on behalf of the government
this country for Turskeegee experiment,
went to Arkansas and held the school
door with Hillary on the opposite side for the students in the sixties who were not allowed to go to certain schools. This is one of the reasons no other group like to work with us.WE tend to turn our backs on any giving time at anybody who helped us in the past.I need to ask you, HOW MUCH DO YOU KNOW MR OBAMA? The office of the president of United States is not something to play with.
Folks pay attention on issues.We are now
voting on race and other people are taking notes.Obama has never won any of
the debates with Hillary and has recently said that he would not be debating Hillary as much. I wonder
why.So let us stop bashing the hispanics
for voting for Hillary.At least they do
not forget unlike us the person that helped them in the past.
GO HILLARY ’08
Posted by: UGOCHUKWU | February 7, 2008, 11:40 am 11:40 am
People – we continue to talk about race and gender as if by those characteristics the issues that matter to us most will be resolved. Nonsense. This campaign is not about neither Senator Clinton nor Senator Obama. It is about our young men and women fighting in a war which will have no benefit to America, it is about affordable healthcare for ALL of our citizens, it is about the protection of our borders, and the ability for anyone who so desires to get an education. What we in the Democratic party are grappling with is not who has the right vision, but also, who can be an effective leader. Hillary says that she will be ready on day 1 to be the President, but how can she if the Republican party has already decided that they will oppose her on almost all of her proposals. They didn’t like Bill and they resent her being an extension of his presidency; just as we do with George Bush. We need a leader who does not carry the baggage and resentment that many Republicans evidently harbor towards her. We know that simply occupying the oval office does not give that person card blanche to achieve any and every proposal they put forth. It will take bi-partisanship. We need a leader who can pursuade Republicans to work on behalf of the American public because it is the right and moral thing to do; withstanding party affiliation. Barack Obama is that leader.
Posted by: George | February 7, 2008, 11:42 am 11:42 am
“The most important thing to know about Hillary is that all her life, she’s been an agent of change, somebody who can both see other people’s problems and solve them.After law school , she could have taken a job in a big law firm in Chicago or New York. Instead she took an extra year at the Yale Child Study Center and the Yale-New Haven Hospital to learn more about the problems of poor and abused children. After law school, her first job was not in a big law firm. It was working for the Children’s Defense Fund, going door to door in New Bedford, Massachusetts, visiting people to find out why their kids had dropped out of school. She discovered that a lot of them were not in school because they had disabilities that kept them from succeeding in school. She helped write a report that went to Congress and helped lead to the passage of a federal law to provide those children an equal, appropriate educational opportunity.Then she moved to a small university town in the Arkansas Ozarks, where she’d barely visited, and married a guy whose political career consisted of one lost race for Congress. was making $16,450 a year and had a campaign debt of $42,000. And what did she do? She organized a legal aid program there to serve poor people who didn’t have access to legal services. She moved to Little Rock when her husband became attorney general and governor, she became really worried about children who were being raised in families with devoted mothers and fathers who had little to no education. So she started looking around for a good preschool program. And she learned about one that began in Israel, called Home Instruction Program for Preschool Youngsters. It taught parents how to be their kids’ first teachers. She even drove to graduation sites to see young preschoolers and their mothers, beaming and proud that they were teaching their kids to read and had learned how to keep them healthy.Now this program is in 25 states and the District of Columbia. Thousands and thousands of kids have had their lives changed because she came to Arkansas years ago and started solving problems. She’s an agent of change.In 1983, Hillary lead a committee to reform schools in the wake of an educational expert saying that a child could get a better education in any state other than Arkansas. At that time,Arkansas had 265 high schools offering no advanced biology, 217 offering no physics, 177 offering no foreign language, and 164 offering no advanced math. After Hillary’s report, the legislature adopted higher standards and implemented them through out the schools in arkansas. . In 1986, eleventh-graders in Arkansas took an exam, competing with four other Southern states. They finished first in the region. By the time that she left Arkansas, the state’s graduation rate was the highest in the South. The same expert who had said that Arkansas had the worst schools in America said that the state had made outstanding progress, and things had changed immeasurably. Hillary held no public office then, but she was an agent of change. She gave tens of thousands of kids a better future. In the early 1980s, when Hillar Clinton heard about Mohammed Yunus and his Grameen Bank, which gave small loans to poor people in Bangladesh to start businesses, and about a Chicago bank doing the same thing for African-American carpenters and Croatian electricians. She thought that it was a great idea, she worked hard and establish model of that in Arkansas. She helped to raise the money to establish one of America’s first rural micro-credit banks. It’s still operating. Thanks to her, when her husband became president she
helped to pass a community development legislation that funded micro-credit loans all over the United States. She has been the champion of a health care reform for a long time.Recently,all the remaining presidential candidates from Obama,
Mcain,and Mitt Romney all pledging to fix the health care system. You know she didn’t succeed, but Harry Truman and Jimmy Carter didn’t either. It’s hard. But Hillary gave a good effort, and she didn’t quit. As a result, Children’s Health Insurance Program, which today gives health care to six million kids, the largest expansion since Medicare was passed. We 90 percent of the kids in the Unted States are immunized against serious illness for the first time. She helped get more research, screening, and care for breast cancer and cervical cancer. She helped improve diabetes care. She helped protect insurance coverage when people change jobs. And for the first time in many years, there had been a reduction in the number of people without health insurance, with health costs increasing no more than regular inflation, unlike today. Hillary is an agent of change.
When her husband was the president of this great states, Hillary worked with Republicans and Democrats to double the number of children being adopted out of foster homes.
And she represented America in more than 80 countries, seeing not just leaders but also visiting villages to encourage education and economic development.When Hillary spoke at the 1995 Women’s Conference, the Chinese were so worried about what she was going to say that they moved the talk out of the city, and it was pouring rain. Women from all over the world were drenched getting out there to hear her say that all over the world, “Women’s rights are human rights and human rights are women’s rights.” It broke like a thunderclap. And after all this time, in Africa, Latin America, Southeast Asia, people in villages , that speech, changed everything for them nobody could deny their daughters the right to get an education, to make a living and to contribute to society. She has always been an agent of change. When the leaders of the new government in Northern Ireland recently came to see George Bush the president, they wanted to see somebody else too: Hillary. Why? Because as they repeatedly reminded them even though they are exceedingly grateful, she had an independent role in the peace process because she helped to encourage groups of Catholic and Protestant women to pressure the men to stop fighting and make peace. All her life she has been an agent of positive change, though she never ran for office until 2000.
When she got to the Senate, what happened? She made alliances with Republicans and Democrats. She and John McCain traveled to the northernmost village on the planet in Norway, and the northernmost town in America, Point Barrow, Alaska, with skeptical Republicans to show them the growing impact of global warming. She worked with the Republican Senate Majority Leader, a doctor, to co-sponsor a bill to give everybody electronic medical records. If we all had electronic medical records, it would cut $80 billion from medical costs. That’s almost 80 percent of what it would cost us to insure every man, woman, and child in America.
She has worked with a Republican senator from South Carolina to pass legislation to speed up providing body armor for out troops, and to provide the same health benefits regular service members have to the members of the National Guard or Reserves who serve in combat. And recently, they passed a bill to extend the Family and Medical Leave Law to ensure that relatives of military personnel who suffer from physical or emotional trauma are entitled to time off for them without losing their jobs. The reason she should be president is that she’s got a 35-year record of being an agent for positive change. She has never been in a situation that she hasn’t left better than when she found it. And that’s all that really matters: whether people are better off when you finish than when you started. Do children have a better future? Are we moving in the right direction? Are we coming together? You will never have another chance to vote for anyone who has done more creative, effective things to make a positive difference in other people’s lives than Hillary. But the reason you ought to support her is the reason she would be the best president, because she’s the best change agent.”
Posted by: UGOCHUKWU | February 7, 2008, 11:46 am 11:46 am
OGUCHUKWU – Yes, President Clinton did do all of those things, for which we are grateful. But, he also denegrated the office of the Presidency by getting his freak on with an internship in the Oval Office. So, the question is, despite the good that he did, is he or his wife entitled to the Presidency?
This reminds me of a biblical story about a man who God had chosen to lead his people out of bondage. This man suffered many things in his attempt to free God’s people. However, the story says that the man had broken one of God’s commandments in an act of selfishness. And, as punishment, when God’s people were to enter into the promised land, the man that helped to bring them out of bondage was not permitted to enter with them.
The parallel in regards to Bill Clinton is that his reward for the good deeds he did on behalf of Blacks, Asians, Hispanics, and women does not entitle him to re-entry into the White House.
Posted by: George | February 7, 2008, 11:58 am 11:58 am
George, I do not think that it is a good
idea to compare the Bushs’ with the Clintons.Bill Clinton when he took the office of the presidency, he inherited a deficit and left the office with a surplus.
Posted by: UGOCHUKWU | February 7, 2008, 12:01 pm 12:01 pm
As a moderate – conservative Democrat, I would like to see the Clinton, and Obama supporters to step away from tearing down each others candidate with petty, pejorative attacks about the past or the intangible future.
Any fool can tear down, its obvious, vulgar and cheapens the process. The national discussion would be more valuable if supporters are positive and express what they think are the best policy options on the table to solve the problems of the day, e.g., Government Reform of Congress, Federal Spending, National Deficit, Afghanistan and Iraq Wars, National Security, Taxes, the Economy, etc.
Senator Clinton, Senator McCain and Senator Obama are all talented and exciting public servants running for the office of the President of the United States.
The key take away here is the word “united” in that we need both Democrats, Republicans and Independents to cross paths to form a more perfect union in purpose. The next President must be able to do this and bring us together in order solve the complexity that lies in Washington D.C. and as well as the complexity of global political-economic issues that confront us.
The country needs the best Democrats and Republicans to move us past the Bush era and forward to innovate, guided by an experienced hand into the new century.
Posted by: threeriverscrossing | February 7, 2008, 12:11 pm 12:11 pm
OGUCHUKWU – I am not categorizing Bill Clinton’s presidency as a failure, which is how I would define George Bush’. My problem is the perceived inevitability of a Hillary Clinton presidency based on her role as first lady, and the disrespect Clintonites show to the accomplishments of Barack Obama. My problem is that real change is being held up by people who are happy to be divided by race and gender while hardworking regular people who see the urgency of change. My problem is that though we fully understand the strangle hold lobbyists have on candidates who could potentially do good, they continue to seek their financial support, which diminishes the candidates integrity, and diminishes the chance for them to ever do any real good during their time in office. For which, they will later blame the Republican party as being unwilling to work with them. Please, give me a break. We need a real change, and between the choices, only Obama can deliver it.
Posted by: George | February 7, 2008, 12:20 pm 12:20 pm
As a moderate – conservative Democrat, I would like to see the Clinton and Obama supporters to step away from tearing down each others candidate with petty, pejorative attacks about the past or the intangible future.
Any fool can tear down, its obvious, vulgar and cheapens the process. The national discussion would be more valuable if supporters are positive and express what they think are the best policy options on the table to solve the problems of the day, e.g., Government Reform of Congress, Federal Spending, National Deficit, Afghanistan and Iraq Wars, National Security, Taxes, the Economy, etc.
Senator Clinton, Senator McCain and Senator Obama are all talented and exciting public servants running for the office of the President of the United States.
The key take away here is the word “united” in that we need both Democrats, Republicans and Independents to cross paths to form a more perfect union in purpose. The next President must be able to do this and bring us together in order solve the complexity that lies in Washington D.C. and as well as the complexity of global political-economic issues that confront us.
The country needs the best Democrats and Republicans to move us beyond the Bush era and forward to innovate, guided by an experienced hand into the new century.
Posted by: threeriverscrossing | February 7, 2008, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm
She sows. She harvests.
Vote for Clinton!
Posted by: Charlie | February 7, 2008, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm
Neither Her Highness nor Obama will carry the South. Without it its tough to win. The Dems will win California and NY (per usual) so it’ll be another close election.
P.S. There is a lot of antipathy out there for Hillary. She’s a real phony and, from day 1, she’s already lost a lot of the votes. Obama will be a more formidable opponect to McCain.
Posted by: Bioya1 | February 7, 2008, 1:35 pm 1:35 pm
latin dude your ignorance is showing. I f you choose to vote for Hillary regardless of her issues and policies that is your perogative but don’t degrade the African American community because we do not share your sentiments. It is apparent that Hillary Clinton is capable of polarizing rather than uniting. I am tired of the divisions therefore my vote is for Obama. I want a president capable of getting everyone to sit down and make America better. Unlike yourself I want more for America than the continuos Bush/Clinton dynasty. I don’t understand why some Americans don’t have a problem with the fact of two families running this country for more than two decades. That scares me…I want change I am voting for Obama 2008
Posted by: RLE | February 7, 2008, 2:25 pm 2:25 pm
That is easy to figure out why Hispanic votes for her. Hispanic is realitc and not moved by Obama’s empty political slogan!
Campare to someone who buy foods with stamps, hispanic use their hardwork to earn bread.
Posted by: Asdf | February 7, 2008, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm
Whether Gregory Rodriguez cares to admit it or not, there is major animosity between Blacks and Hispanics (and also between Blacks and Asians). I lived in Los Angeles for years and saw mostly illegal Hispanics pushing Blacks out of what had long been traditionally Black neighborhoods. The Hispanics were able to pay higher rents because they were willing to cram large numbers of people into small houses, something the blacks were unwilling to do (nor should they have had to). In addition, the Hispanics took a great many jobs away from Blacks. There is a time when many Black men could hold down decent-paying jobs in construction, for example. Today all those jobs have gone to Latinos, who work for minimum wage or less. No one has been more victimized by illegal immigration than African-Americans, and I believe it is only a matter of time before they wake up to it. Looking at Sen. Obama’s voting patten, it would appear that white males are the least racist people in America. How about that!
Posted by: Independent Analyst | February 7, 2008, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm
I don’t care about dynasty, I believe she can make this country wealth like her husband did. So many years in dem only clintons are not loser. Kennedy, Kerry are all losers, so is their puppet OBAMA.
Posted by: hispanic | February 7, 2008, 2:36 pm 2:36 pm
change? Hillary is change in itself. She will bring our country out of the deep hole that the bushes digged. Clinton knwos the work, the history, and she has what it takes. She will direct this country better than any man ever did.
Clinton for president. I voted for her and I am not even 40 yet. my son that is 19 voted for her, and all my friends too. I am campaining for her on the train, the bus, the street, wherever I go. I will continue doing it because I believe in her.
Posted by: latina2008 | February 7, 2008, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm
I am married to a Latino and I will tell you that a lot of Latinos don’t support Obama because they see his immigration policies as politically expedient. His record on supporting immigrants is no better than Clinton. He has changed his positions on immigration as he tried to appeal to Latinos. Obama has ignored them until California. He goes on Spanish language tv and says one thing and goes on English speaking tv and says quite another. Saying si, se puede only gets you so far….. You forgot to mention that Sen. Clinton in last week’s debate she repudiated the abhorrent and “mean spirited” legislation and attitudes she has encountered and said “we can do better.. She also said she would provide programs and support for folks to learn English. Obama would just require people to learn English. BTW- in order to become a citizen right now, unless you are elderly and have been a legal resident for 15 plus years, you must be able to read and write in English. So much of this is just political posturing.
Posted by: Maddie | February 7, 2008, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm
Hillary makes you think she likes all people? But I think she only likes Hillary! She will say anything and do anything to get elected and I mean anyuthing.
Posted by: trawetskv | February 7, 2008, 3:42 pm 3:42 pm
As a black, college educated woman (with an MBA)who supports Hillary, I find it very offensive that some are saying that blacks will not support her if she gets the nomination and Obama doesn’t. THIS IS NOT TRUE SO PLEASE SPEAK FOR YOURSELF AND NOT FOR ME!!! That would be the most ignorant thing that we could do if we want to get the Republicans out of the White House. I am going to continue to support her. I am supporting the person who I feel is best PERSON for the job and she’s it, period. I hate seeing the divisiveness on this blog and reading that blacks and latinos don’t like each other—yada, yada, yada. That’s all just talk. I don’t feel that way, nor do most of the people I deal with, so again, don’t speak for me. When I watch the debates,
I can hear the difference in what is being said and Hillary is very clear on her plans and how to handle issues. Obama is not–in my opinion. My choice is clear…Hilary is the choice for 2008. She can and will get things done.
GO HILLARY!!!!!
Posted by: HillarysTime2008 | February 7, 2008, 4:49 pm 4:49 pm
In this article, Ms. Clinton said “…’Wait a minute –nobody said it was going to cost that much or be that hard.’…”.
It will not cost alot or be that hard. Here is the formula that shows why:
Take 500 immigration officer per state
=25000 immigration officers
They work 20 days per month
They work 24 months
They apprehend/citate/process just 2 illegal immigrants per day
The total illegal immigrants processed or apprehended:
24 million!!!
So do not tell me that the 12 to 20 million illegals can not be addressed in a pragmatic fashion.
Now to the cost.
If each of those 25 thousand officers were paid $75,000 per year, that would be:
$1,875,000,000 per year.
for 24 months is:
$3,750,000,000
So if you round up to the nearest billion, then it would take 4 billion dollars for the two years, to fully address the illegal immigration issue.
So Please, Ms. Clinton, don’t spead the lie that a) it costs too much, and b) there are too many of them.
Thank you.
People, do the math…..
Posted by: Pragmatist | February 7, 2008, 5:07 pm 5:07 pm
She gets the Hispanic vote because she has been traveling with a Mariachi band. Have you seen her lately? Everywhere she goes, no matter where – even for coffee, there is a Mariachi band playing happily behind her. It’s quite a thing to see. I think I’m going to vote for her as well.
Posted by: Chas | February 7, 2008, 5:16 pm 5:16 pm
…by being a consummate liar.
Posted by: Patriot2008 | February 7, 2008, 5:25 pm 5:25 pm
I hope that you all understand that its not there are no hispanics votes ………….more of it goes to Hillary and those that come to Obama are from the educated and young ones amongst them…. of course in most societies there are not many of those and more so in most American ethnic groups. Surely you would have those opinions and manner of looking things and expressing them common to the uneducated then a few brilliant ideas and expressions …..of course here you do have those ocassional gems bringing some bit of fresh air.I find some opinions here that seem to come from people who though they live in the US are not better than opinions you would find from some remote corners of the world where communication are yet to reach. I dont expect everyone to be able to rise above certain sentiments.No everyone is of higher mind. Amongst poor and uneducated whites blacks hispanics and asians …….I used the word amongst…..you have bigotry etc etc . Try and get well educated about things and other cultures them would you understand what Obama is about then would understand his politics his language his abilities and his record. By the way he got most of the hispanic votes in his home state. Education is not expensive and not in USA please read and absorp facts before you play with them. I am not an American its a blessed nation but it does have a lot of uneducated ethnic groups and I hope they dont derail a great opportunity for the USA to take its rightful place in the affairs of this world.
Posted by: Jay | February 7, 2008, 5:31 pm 5:31 pm
Chas….it requires some level of intellginece to appreciate certain things and also to review history and pick lessons. Obama does have record. Besides he is a senator.Perhaps that doesnt mean anything to you.One can be for Hillary without having to resort to supidities against her rivals.
Also if you have some knowledge of the realities of the world and in particular politics…if you have some understanding of American political history and some of the personalities in it, you would known of those who have performed wonderfully without even the the third of the experience that Obama has………….I come from a country where the best CEO has been a young man fresh from the University dealing with all the corporate challenges coming up with brilliant great ideas that his experienced ones thought were unworkable…..by the way what experience of running a corporation did Bill Gates……………you may scream jay you are talking about corporation! some of you dont even know that running a corpoaration is more difficult that running a nations………..running a nation you take decisions based on a pool of ideas and experts ……..you are surrounded by experts.
I dont want to make any adverse comment about Hillary but do your research you would find that Obama has more legislative experience than Hillary yet a lot of you in the USA are not een aware of that…………let your expressions be very reasoned and with substance no emotional outburst then we would benefit from each other.
Posted by: jay | February 7, 2008, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm
it seems to me there is a purpose for this blog other than a free discussion…………..my criticism of a certain expression used here has been deleted and yet the powers that be on this blog felt the expreesion itself…empty suit is a good descprition of a US presidential candidate.
Posted by: jay | February 7, 2008, 6:25 pm 6:25 pm
On the issue of illegal immigration I was impressed with Hillary’s answer during the Los Angeles debate when she answered the question from an African-american woman. Illegal immigration is a very sensitive topic and I’m glad Hillary isn’t lying to americans on what she thinks can be done. Obama says he supports comprehensive immigration reform. That sounds great. If he becomes president will he then say that he supported immigration reform but he never said he was going to push for it? As an American of Mexican decent, I can vote for Hillary or for whomever I want. Just look at Oprah and 80% of African-Americans who are voting for an African-American.
Posted by: davidfromCA | February 7, 2008, 6:30 pm 6:30 pm
Obama gets the blacks, whitemen, educated, the old and the young?
Clinton gets the hispanics, the uneducated and the baby boomers?
The media are a bunch of people labelling buffoons!
Big Mac is Back!!!
Posted by: John | February 7, 2008, 6:35 pm 6:35 pm
davidfromCA…..it seems you are not really capable of appreciating facts when they are right in front of your nose ……….Oprah was not standing alone you perhaps did see the first lady of California and others …. you also heard Oprah explanations and defence of her votes and leanings …….but No if you show awareness of the full facts your very narrow and divisive outpourings would not show………
Posted by: jay | February 7, 2008, 6:39 pm 6:39 pm
Quoted from George: “OGUCHUKWU – Yes, President Clinton did do all of those things, for which we are grateful. But, he also denegrated the office of the Presidency by getting his freak on with an internship in the Oval Office. So, the question is, despite the good that he did, is he or his wife entitled to the Presidency?”
George, former president Bill Clinton erased the multi trillion dollar nation debt and create a strong economy for the US during his term and more, and YOU can discredit everything that he has done for this country simply with the Monica Lewinsky affair???
Sorry, but how narrow minded can you be?
Posted by: bvt | February 7, 2008, 7:29 pm 7:29 pm
I am Black and married to a Latina. Even as a student, I was amased at how even Latinos who are clearly Black, identify with Whites. My wife is much, much darker, has more kinky hair, has a bigger nose and lips than me. On the other hand, I am clearly black but have more European features. I was not surprised when I note than on my wife’s birth certificate, it listed her race as “White”. Herein is the problem. Latinos see themselves as white, or, they identify more with Whits. If you speak with people who work mostly with, or around Latinos, they will tell you the same thing I have just said. This is why they overwhelmingly vote for Hillary (mind you, there are a lot of exceptions). Ironically, most whites, democratic and republican will tell you that right now, Obama is the better choice over Hillary, but these people (and my dear friends) cannot see it, because racism is getting the best of them. The sad part of all this is that they dont even know it. All this talk about who is better at courting the Latino vote, etc., is rubbish. It IS about race.
Posted by: John | February 7, 2008, 7:51 pm 7:51 pm
Wow it seems like a lot of you guys fell for the divisive bait. Hey its a free country.. vote for whoever you want to. I just hope we can all just vote for who speaks to us.
Read up on their platform and vote. I hope day will come when we do not have to read articles like this one that focus on all the wrong things. The difference between Obama and Clinton is not much and they are such lovely people..Plus McCain is a swell guy.. I think as Americans.. we are ALL in good shape as long as a Bush is not in power..
Posted by: Nina | February 7, 2008, 8:09 pm 8:09 pm
You just ask the most silly question that how Clinton capture Latino vote ?
Simply because Latino along with Asian are not going to vote for a black candidate in 100 years. As they only recognized white as an real American but now the black and consider black as even lower cast than themself.
Talking about racism , I believe Latino and Asian are the most racist people on earth.
Posted by: ray | February 7, 2008, 8:54 pm 8:54 pm
Yes, I am a Latina and proud to vote for Hillary Clinton. Not because of my race but because she has the most experience, and I strongly believe that she will serve the American people well. I’ve got FAITH she will bring us out of this horrible economy phase we’re experiencing. Unfortunately, the bid for this presidency, on the Democratic side, has become a race issue for some individuals. Please let’s keep in mind why we need a true leader in office. We need to end this useless war, allow people to be able to keep their homes and help all of us who do not have any health insurance. VOTE FOR HILLARY CLINTON!!! WE NEED A TRUE CHANGE IN WASHINGTON.
Posted by: Rosalba Saenz | February 7, 2008, 10:45 pm 10:45 pm
Please some of you all here should try and get your facts correct.
Obama gets latino votes ……….from YOUNG EDUCATED LATINOS mostly. He was also endorsed by the largest Latino Newspaper and labour union with latino majority………Yes Hilary has the most votes.Obama got the most Latino votes from his home state where he has been involved with them for a very long time……and they know him. You all should also know that Hillary has had a longer dealing with the Latinos…
So from these few facts some people here write their personal prejudice and not reasoned conclusion based on any facts. Please Obama’s votes have been coming from several races ………..otherwise certian wins and their magnitude cant be explained …..Some here should strive to get some education!!!
Of course in every village around the world when a man or a woman has not shed some of their ignorance and have not been exposed to learning they would always think they are a superior caste and others lower ….this goes with all races ………to NOT think others lower than you comes with education and enlightenment ………the only divide I see, is that between enlightened minds and none enlightened minds ……..Obama’s electoral accomplishments have come via white men blacks asians latinos ….young men and women of all races inclusing latinos. Another fact too is that uneducated blacks favour Hillary ………please research for veriafication. Please always be patient and get your facts correct….PERSPECTIVE! PERSPECTIVE!!
Posted by: Jay | February 7, 2008, 11:27 pm 11:27 pm
It’s true, no matter how much you want to believe it, it is true. Latinos, esp mexicanos, do not like black people. everyone can try and lie and twist it up and hide it like they do everything else, but i wont, and the plain truth is that latinos and black people dont go together. now, im not saying every latino hates black people, but the majority dont like them. me being a proud mexican and growing up with my raza, we never did like black people. i have gotten along with a couple but that is because ive known them sense grade school. if you ask my grandma if she’ll vote for obama, she’ll tell u, ha estas loco im not voting for some chango q fuiste fumando cabron. and thats the truth. and all these plans to stop illegal immigration are not going to solve the problem. first off, us latinos do the jobs that other people wont/dont like to do. they complain about were taking the jobs, well if you werent b***hing an moaning about im not getting paid enough for what im doing or saying i wont do that and i wont do this, then there wouldnt be a problem. we come from a poor country to live the american dream. and to us, getting underpaid, is like being overpaid. making 4.00 a hr beats the hell out of what we would get paid in mexico. but the gringos and everyone else complains “im not getting paid enough” “its too much work” “its too hot”. and we work harder and our work better and more efficent. we dont need all the fancy little gadgets, we make do with what we have. second of all if they do decide too “try” (which will never happen) to deport all illegal aliens, the US will see the biggest rebellion in the history of the United States. No, i cant speak good english and i will, have been, and always speak spanglish. i WILL teach my kids spanglish and to be proud of who they are and not to give in to the pressures of american society saying that we are bad. VIVA LA RAZA!
Posted by: chno | February 8, 2008, 1:38 am 1:38 am
Asianmalesmoker said:
“That is not what I heard from the back community few months ago, when they call Hillary Clinton as the honorrable daugher, when they call Bill Clinton the first Back President.
By the way. I did the math and I am very good at math. That is why I am upset.”
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It’s obvious that you are Asian by the screenname that you have chosen not to mention going out of your way to sight racially based stereotypes about your ethnic group that you might find flattering, “I am good at math”.
As a white southern male I find it quite curious that we now have these different ethnic groups i.e. hispanics, and asians denying their support for Barack because he’s black. I mean as a supporter of our boy Mac, I say keep up the great job people.
But temptations beckons me to submit this question, “Do hispanics really believe if it wasn’t for the so called black civil rights movement and the subsequent political correctness that they would even still be in America, especially the southern states?”
I think not. I mean for god sakes anytime you mention deportation or anything to the effect of ending illegal immigration, the policies that were created during the “Civil Rights” Movement are thrown at you.
It is quite interesting to see how silly these different groups are. I for one never really saw any of you as REAL AMERICANS. Especially Asians, and Hispanics. Blacks at least I can agree help build this country and fought in every major war this great country has been in.
But hey, what do I know… I mean it wouldn’t bother me if you all just killed yourselves.
Go McCain, …I mean GO HILLARY and may the South RISE AGAIN!
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Posted by: The Truth rought in AL | February 8, 2008, 4:15 am 4:15 am
Hillary Clinton probably thought she’d heard the last on her ties to Wal-Mart courtesy the Brian Ross Unit. Here’s a brief detail that didn’t get fleshed out in the Good Morning America segment last week: While publicly distancing herself from the company, Clinton has involved two Wal-Mart lobbyists in her campaign.
Clinton named two Wal-Mart lobbyists to her Lesbian, Gay and Bisexual Steering Committee last June. Ingrid Duran and Catherine Pino, the “D” and “P” of D & P Creative Strategies, are registered to lobby Senate offices on behalf of the Arkansas-based megaretailer.
While Clinton returned $5,000 she received from Wal-Mart’s political action committee in 2005, she has held on to roughly $20,000 she was given last year by Wal-Mart executives and lobbyists, as Brian noted in last week’s piece. More than half of that money came from Duran, Pino, and a third Wal-Mart lobbyist, Tony Podesta, according to campaign finance records.
Posted by: Dave Peck | February 8, 2008, 7:07 am 7:07 am
Yo Amigos, Hillary No! Obama si!
Posted by: Listen Up | February 8, 2008, 8:26 am 8:26 am
Obama’s rhetoric is “Branding” from his Marketing Team. If Americans want a Speaker for President – we’d be better off with Tony Robbins.
Posted by: Juli An | February 8, 2008, 8:34 am 8:34 am
As an African-American, educated woman, I cannot understand why people vote for Hillary Clinton. Why vote for someone based on race or gender or one’s name? I was a former Clinton supporter, but after I found out about all the lies and corruption that the Clintons have created, I am no longer a supporter. This country needs to stop being ignorant. Actually, investigate the candidate’s record. I believe Obama is clearly more intelligent and a better candidate to represent the United States than Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton changes her stories a lot to please her audience. I have also studied the economy. Of course, any war is going to bring the economy down. To Latinos, whites, blacks, asians, indians, mixed nationalities, let’s be smarter and stop all this nonsense!
Posted by: Marie | February 8, 2008, 9:44 am 9:44 am
As a lATINO WE ARE VERY PROUD PEOPLE AND WE WILL VOTE ALL THE WAY FOR Hillary and there will be no votes here in new mexico for no black obama .this obama needs to be investigated for his taxes and for the laundered money.vote Hillary my Latino brother and sisters she will get better wages for us and better jobs this black obama only wants your votes he does not care about you .
blacks only care about themselves.
Posted by: Rmeoses | February 8, 2008, 10:58 am 10:58 am
….the stage of development of ones mind plays a pivotal role on how one votes…..a lot of the ethinic groups in the USA have come from very backward backgrounds(not meaning this as an insult…….for I have a lot these in my background too)….not exposed to learning dealing with still very mundane issues therefore not enough time to develop their minds……of course you see great difference in their votes compared to their young educated ones…….and of course that explains why the insiprational messages of Obama escape their comprehension…….in these messages they cant see his position on things(very loud and clear for educated minds)…………Some years ago you would have seen a most white constituency voting a black candidate..of course now people have travelled have seen things ….education ….enlightement………Now yes with these they can vote and see beyond colour….Should I say that with better education ….whatever ethinic group asian or hispanics .with enlightement and as more minds get developed would therefore see beyond ……..sophisticated ideas can only be identified and appreciated by developed minds….
what am I talking about?……..minds that are yet unliberated cant really reach out beyond certain points……certain groups would still have some years of development before they can attain certain things…I am struggling not to sound insulting…..we all need Education!Education!! Education!!!
Posted by: JAYLONDON(Jay) | February 8, 2008, 11:04 am 11:04 am
not long ago it was unthinkable for a largely white constituency to vote a black candidate…………….what has changed?…..Education! …enlightenment!…….of course mostly the YOUNG and COLLEGE graduates……..
You therefore need similar convergence amongst the hispanics for any better expectations….again its amongst the hispanic Youngs and college graduates that Obama gets most of his support………….
Hispanics are not different from other races ………improved education brings well-informed decisions………for everyone knows that even if Hilary was to say… ‘I will deport all Hispanics’… she would still get their overwhelming support….and that still confirms my thesis…
Posted by: JAYLONDON(Jay) | February 8, 2008, 11:14 am 11:14 am
uh-humm…. first of all I am finding most of your comments offensive. I am a college student who voted for Hillary and remember couple of years ago, when i was in High School, news came on TV about something Hillary was doing somewhere in the world (cant quite remember)…. anywaysz.. My mother (Very religious) was so happy and proud of her accomplishments, I remember her assuming (NOT SO NAIIVE ARE WE?) that she was going to run for president sometime in the future and when that time came, she was going to vote for her. THATS WHY WE VOTED FOR HER; she has been making things happen for the community for years now and we have witnessed it before Obama came into the picture. We aint vote for obama becuase he is black… we just aint vote for someone who came out of nowhere making promises when we havent seen him do anything. Would we vote for obama in the general election if he where to win the nomination?? YES…. too bad it cant be used as proof because Hillary is going to win the nomination.
Posted by: LawrenceNY | February 8, 2008, 12:11 pm 12:11 pm
All of this prejudice between groups,lays right at the feet of white Americans.They started it to justify slavery and they will not give it up, piting one group after another against each other. The first thing people learn when they come to this country is the prejudices. We as minorities need to stop it, we are gaining power now, we no longer have to please whites by showing them we are perpetuating their prejudices, hatred and fears against each other. In fact, they’ve forgotten about all of us anyway, and they are pooling all of their power and wealth into their (conservative-”racist”)agenda, and you can be sure it doesn’t include us minorities to any degree. We are all (minorities) so poor we don’t even realize how poor and far behind we really. Those jobs we are arguing about are nothing but slavery crumbs, but its the rights, education, and opportunity that will free us All. I hate to say it but it’s the one smart thing that Black people figured out and fought for!
Posted by: seeker5058 | February 8, 2008, 1:04 pm 1:04 pm
glad the truth is coming out. she is boneless. not getting my vote and as a latina i have been trying to talk to my community… not easy. thanks for this article.
Posted by: j | February 8, 2008, 1:08 pm 1:08 pm
you guys, remember that we are human beings first and Americans second. We all want the same things: good jobs, nice family and good health. Why cant you concentrate on that? why must this race debate about how Latinos hate black people and such dominate the campaign? why cant you talk about what each of the policies the two campaigns will do here? I have not read one comment on the TOPICS. Not one. Yet we claim we have a great democracy.. based on what? hating and spiting each other?
What color is the blood that runs through you? blue, black or red??
Posted by: John Brown | February 8, 2008, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm
Hillary represent the real change.
The conservative media like Obama, because it will be easy to defeact in a general election.
People know best. I think that in about 9 years with more experience Obama can be a great president.
Posted by: RAMON V | February 8, 2008, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm
Well, looks like the Spanish will have to decide whether they want Hillary or McCain.
Posted by: jvii | February 8, 2008, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm
Bill Clinton pardoned 16 members of the FALN terrorist group that set off 130 bombs killing 6 and injuring 70. That helped Hillary in New York.
Posted by: JB | February 8, 2008, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm
Well, this is a little off topic, but I’m saddened by one thing. White men won’t vote for Hillary because she is a woman. I had hoped that by now, American men were evolved beyond that. Finland has a lady president and she has done a very good job overall (except her initial take on globalization, but she’s smarter now about that). Hillary has a lot of experience understanding that in order to get things done in Washington D.C., you have to build a consensus. Obama talks like he’s going to go in there gung ho and make all these changes. But I think he’s not telling Americans the truth. Hillary had those same ideas when her husband was president and despite her negotiating skills plus significant experience in the corporate sector, her health plan never made it to fruitation. Since then, she has realized how to get things done, knows when to compromise and when not to. Obama talks about healthcare, but not for everyone. He talks about foreign policy and some of his statements are poorly said, which reminds of the indiscretion Bush committed and ticked off half the world. Hillary is mature and has a lot going for her. I really believe that if Obama ran for office after Hillary’s terms as president, it would be good for America. I might even consider voting for him then. As it stands, he has no experience at an executive level, he talks like a preppy college grad, and he’s too idealistic. Hillary has plans for change on paper and all Obama talks about is his income tax statement. Who cares what he makes? It’s what a president can accomplish that counts. So all you white males out there who refuse to vote for a woman, keep in mind that gender is no more important than skin color. Think it through and then pick a candidate based on their merits, not their reproductive plumbing. Thanks!
Posted by: Elf | February 8, 2008, 4:28 pm 4:28 pm
I did not think that my comments would set off such a storm. For those who think I know not of which I speak, let me give a bit more insights. I lived and studied in Spain, I went back on my sabbatical over there, I have cris-crossed every nation in Latin America except Cuba and Argentina, I have spent considerable time in several Latino communities (albeit, not all Latino communities) in the US, I have, and still advocate for newly arrived Latino kids that schools try to keep out (yes they have tried it), I have worked with Latino politicians in upstate NY, in NYC, in the midwest, and indirectly elsewhere. Trust me, as a Black person who know about this country’s history of racism, prejudice, etc, it pains me to say it, but the truth from my experience and what anybody who has any idea will tell you, if they are being honest, is that Latinos do identify with Whites. This is not a crime. In fact it is quite understandable, as they are in fact, more White than Black. Herein is the problem with Latino voters. They vote based on who they are, or who they perceive themselves to be. This cannot be said about Blacks, as they have always voted for White nad other candidates. True, there are examples where Latinos vote for Black candidates -think Tom Bradley of Los Angeles, but these are exceptions. In general, they simply do not vote Black. This is America, people should vote for who they want. But in this case it matters because Latinos have more to gain by voting for Obama. He understands their plight (if there is one) better than Hillary. In fact, the pundits have lost count on the amount of times Hillary has flip-flopped on Latino issues. How many times has Obama done this? They need to vote their interests, not based on race. With the exception of the Latino middle class, Latinos are right down there at the bottom of the ladder with Blacks. If Blacks rise, so will Latinos. It is time to wake up and smell the coffee, otherwise, every election time, they will find themselves being zig-zagged by people pandering for their votes, and still get nothing. By the way, I am still amazed at the comments Latinos (not most of them or all of them) make to me about Blacks when they assume that I am Puerto Rican. You should see the facial expressions when they realize that I am Black, not Latino. So please, I know from whence I speak.
Posted by: John | February 9, 2008, 12:31 am 12:31 am
After reading all of this about blacks, whites, hispanics/latinos, asian. This is making me sick! When are people going to get pass the race issue? If the issue is about illegals in this country? Lets look at the Welfare system, there are a lot of illegals here that is on welfare and they are getting medical, cash and food stamps. When there are a lot of needy American citizens/families that were born here, that have lost their jobs, homes, etc…and they can not get any assistance from the welfare system that was designed to help poor or struggling American citizens. How do I know this? Because I am a caseworker in the welfare system. I could go on and on about this, but will not I just think that it is not far for illegal to get assistance from welfare when needy American citizens and familes can not.
Next I’m tired of hearing about how Obama don’t have the experience and Hillary does. People lets not forget the Presidential job is like any other job. Remember when we all were looking for our first real job and once you did the interiew you were hoping that someone would take a chance on you, so that you could prove that you can do the job, because you didn’t have the experience? This Democratic election is just like that? Sometimes its better to step out of the box and give a new face (Obama) a chance over this so called experience(Hillary) keep talking about? I know I am tired of the same ole politics in Washington, so lets get on board and help change the good ole boy system in Washington and across this country.
Posted by: DD in Kansas | February 10, 2008, 8:55 pm 8:55 pm
Of course Latinos are not racists; rather they are ready to vote for whomever they judge as honest, capable and positive. The comments about Latinos not being ready or not willing to vote for an African American are just standard ploys planted, in disguise, by the Clintons and their campaign, according to their traditional standard of slander and dissembling. Watch out!
Posted by: Common Sense | February 10, 2008, 10:06 pm 10:06 pm
As I watched this Sunday (Feb 17, 2007) programs Meet the Press and the ABC program with George S. I could not believe how much they were trying to sway our vote for us Democrats. I thought only FOX news was in the game for such tactics. My goodness they have joined the conservatives in trying to make sure we vote for Obama because the press is well AWARE that if his the nominee, McCain will be the elected president in November. Do we really need another Republican in office? Have we not learned our lesson? Obama will make a good president in another 8 years but not now. He needs to make sure he delivers on what he promises something that he needs to be prove as a Senator first. Please let’s vote for Hillary Clinton she is strongest, unbiased and most experienced presidential hopeful.
Posted by: Rosalba Saenz | February 17, 2008, 10:04 am 10:04 am
It’s sad to see how many Hispanics line up behind Hillary without thinking about their support. Part of it’s because they only remember the economic success during the Clinton adminsitration. And part of it’s because of the Clinton machine.
Hispanics should recognize that oil was $10 a barrel, interest rates about 4%, and a PC revolution was happening during Bill’s term that had nothing to do with him. In fact he insisted that the budget could not be balanced. It was the Republican House that said it could.
Alan Greenspan called Bill a “good Republican.” Bill repealed welfare and affirmative action, while helping big business through deregulation. His NAFTA bill caused a peso crash, which motivated Mexicans to move to the U.S. at a faster pace. It also really hurt the U.S. economy over the years.
NAFTA was good for big business, not the kind of small businesses most Hispanics are involved in. That’s what Hispanics are overlooking. Business is not business; there’s big and small businesses. And the Clintons have always been friends to big business.
Hillary was on the board of directors at Wal-Mart for 6 years. That should tell you something, especially since she claims that as part of the 35 years of change. Hillary does not represent change.
She and her husband have been supported by insurance companies, the AMA, the military industrial complex, investment firms that exploit cheap labor. Do
you think if she’s elected she’s going to turn her back on those people?
Obama’s record is more in line with the common person, the small business, and those struggling to do well. Hispanics risk hurting their own destinies if they overlook his strengths.
Posted by: juan ochoa | February 18, 2008, 2:09 am 2:09 am
I think that people should vote for the quality of the candidate not for race, sex or color. Hillary Clinton has been working for this country for 35 years. She is the best candidate to be our president. Obama is just pretty words. Hillary offers solutions and actions. This country is a disaster and we need someone to take charge and control. We CAN’T afford to take a risk with Obama. He is a potential candidate but he is not ready yet. Wake up America, we need Hillary to fix our problems. We don’t need Obama’s pretty words!!!!
Posted by: Johanna | February 18, 2008, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm