By Jaketapper

Feb 16, 2008 11:30am

Is Obama Using Sexist Language?

Earlier this month, speaking at Tulane University, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, said this about the attacks coming his way from Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY:

"You challenge the status quo and suddenly the claws come out," Obama said.

The CLAWS come out? Really?

Then yesterday Obama told reporters who had asked about Clinton’s latest attack ad, "I understand that Senator Clinton, periodically when she’s feeling down, launches attacks as a way of trying to boost her appeal."

That prompted some female TV reporters to question the language he was using.

According to this unofficial transcript, over at MSNBC, Andrea Mitchell and Norah O’Donnell seemed to suggest Obama may have been — if not playing the gender card, then using language women voters might find offensive.

Language such as "when she’s feeling down" "periodically" she "launches attacks."

Nora O’Donnell: "He said, ‘I understand when she’s down, that she makes these kinds of attacks.’ It’s getting a little personal."

Andrea Mitchell: "It’s getting a little personal and, very frankly, you know how deeply we interpreted every comment to look for some sort of racial motivation before South Carolina. A lot of people said it was there. But, you know, when you start describing a female candidate as being ‘down’ and ‘striking back,’  I don’t know, that’s a little edgy, don’t you think?"

Nora O’Donnell: "Yeah. And I think there’s gonna be a lot more comments about that."*

Pro-Clinton blogger Taylor Marsh writes that words like this, in her view, indicate "a way of thinking about women. A way of demeaning women in power; even saying we’re not up to the job. Seriously, Senator Hillary Clinton is a woman running for president. Not some emotional menopausal diva popping pills because she’s depressed she broke a nail."

"Claws"…"feeling down"…I find it hard to envision Obama using the same language if he were facing, say, former Sen. John Edwards, D-NC.

But what do you think?

– jpt

*(Note: that is not an official MSNBC transcript)

User Comments

sounds like “code words” to me

Posted by: flyover | February 16, 2008, 11:32 am 11:32 am

This is laughable. You can’t ever use the word “periodically” when talking about a woman? Yeah, we all know that “periodically” and phrases like “feeling down” and “the claws come out” are all code words. My god. This is getting blown out of proportion..oh, wait, am I aloud to say the word “blown?” I must be using sexist code language, too!
I’ve seen some pretty desperate attempts by the media to drum up controversy out of nothing, but this is the most ridiculous instance of it I have ever seen.
Don’t you have actual news to report?

Posted by: jim | February 16, 2008, 11:38 am 11:38 am

I’m just so happy this article isn’t Hosanna-ing and genuflecting when Obama speaks. It’s refreshing. As for sexism in his speech, of course it’s there. But, and this is how Clinton’s campaign differs from Obama’s, we don’t play the victim when it happens. We can take it. We expect to be treated unfairly and still win. Senator Clinton has to be ten times smarter and experienced then any of the other candidates to get where she is. Any dirt they pull out of her closet isn’t hers. It’s her husbands. Can you even imagine this election being about Obama’s wife and her past indiscretions? Or calling her a pimp for trotting her kids out on the campaign trail? Life isn’t fair. But it’s a playing field Senator Clinton knows and excels in, without the whining.

Posted by: Kris | February 16, 2008, 11:43 am 11:43 am

We all know he is trying to insinuate that when Hillary is having a PMS moment she attacks with his play on words. When anyone else say anything about Obama its always oh that is a racial attack, they are taking swipes at him again, some one is playing the race card. Am sick of it the daily nonsense with this guy and his supporters, but as always anything he says there is not hidden intent at all.

Posted by: SJ | February 16, 2008, 11:46 am 11:46 am

This is a shameful post. He was clearly referencing the period leading up to South Carolina when she first went on the attack.

Posted by: Brad K. | February 16, 2008, 11:48 am 11:48 am

When she is feeling down in the polls!
come on now.

Posted by: Dem | February 16, 2008, 11:48 am 11:48 am

Haha I even used the word ‘period’ in my post, by accident. This is why the word ‘reporter’ is an anachronism: you people are in the business of creating the news these days.

Posted by: Brad K. | February 16, 2008, 11:49 am 11:49 am

Clinton campaign staffers regularly inundate these MSM blogs — it is hilarious. They’ve given up on the “liberal” blogosphere already since Clinton is almost universally reviled in progressive circles. So now they just focus on older, low-information voters who tend to stick to the mainstream media.

Posted by: jim | February 16, 2008, 11:50 am 11:50 am

I see the closer we get to voting, the media tries to influence our vote with these pathetic stunts. Disgusting.

Posted by: cba | February 16, 2008, 11:54 am 11:54 am

>>When she is feeling down in the polls!
I can’t believe you are saying that Hillary is a pole dancer and that all women should wrap themselves around poles to be gaped at by sexist men. I think it is obvious that you are using sexist code language here.

Posted by: jim | February 16, 2008, 11:56 am 11:56 am

Gee, next time Obama gets a little down, Hillary should ask him to get a little “High”!!!!!

Posted by: mary | February 16, 2008, 11:56 am 11:56 am

Obama, please come clean on your drug use. Were you doing crack cocaine as early as 1999. Because if so, then we can excuse you for your sexist remarks, seeing that you may not be in your right state of mind!!!!!!

Posted by: mary | February 16, 2008, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm

I’m male and had no idea ‘being down’ was somehow a reference to anything female. In a political context, I assumed it was a reference to campaign developments, and think its a bit of a stretch to see that as something menapausal.
The ‘claws’ comment certainly can be seen as sexist. But there again, it also denotes cats, as in the fat cats who would resist any outside forces bringing change. And most of the fat cats are tom cats, aren’t they?
Anyway, seeing how these comments were made earlier in February, and in the time since Obama has been able to do pretty well with female voters, I’m guessing not too many were offended.

Posted by: Paul | February 16, 2008, 12:01 pm 12:01 pm

Cat Scratch: Sounds like you may be a weeeeeeee bit jealous of Hillary Clinton.
Boy, where did all this anger come from.
YOu need to get out of the house and stop palying with you menagerie of cats.

Posted by: mary | February 16, 2008, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm

>>This is about gay sex acts and drug use he had with Obama in 1999
I heard Obama killed 10 people with an axe and then clubbed baby seals with their bones!
The Clinton machine is getting more and more desperate and despicable every day, isn’t it?

Posted by: jim | February 16, 2008, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm

I love how the lower Clinton drops in her polls, the more her Hilbots and paid internet minions come out in full force to try and smear Obama. Pity no one actually takes them and their ludicrous claims seriously. Laughable.
When they pull out the ‘sexist’ card and regular folk have to struggle to even figure out where the sexism in the remark is, you know Clinton’s getting desperate!

Posted by: Cat Scratch | February 16, 2008, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm

My God in Heaven! Exactly how far will we reach to find something in the spoken word?
It is so often embarrassing to be a U.S. citizen, for the nonsense that spews from the public and the media.
Does the reference to “periodically” really reference a menstrual cycle (to a menopausal person)? Is “feeling down” really restricted to the female of the species?
Regarding “claws,” would it have been beter for Senator Obama to have used the phrase “fangs and claws bared?”
Folks, how about we all focus on what is truly important? How about fighting off the Bush/Cheney-induced recession? How about securing our borders and purging our country of the millions of criminals who’ve brazenly breached those borders? How about providing some real support to our military by pulling them the h.e.l.l. out of Iraq? How about picking up the pieces of our Constitution that George Bush chose to tear up and saturate with his urine of arrogance?
Yes, ladies and gentlemen, we’ve much bigger fish to fry than whether Senator Obama’s comments can be picked apart to find something inflammatory.
As Michael Douglas said to the Press Corps in “The American President,” “Let’s keep our eye on the ball!”

Posted by: Mylon Stark | February 16, 2008, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm

I think you should get back in the kitchen and leave the thinking to someone else, you hallucinatory idiot. Jesus

Posted by: g | February 16, 2008, 12:09 pm 12:09 pm

This is the whole reason people aren’t flocking to Hillary. I can’t imagine I’m the only one who detested the constant PC language analysis that came on during the 90s, with political pundits rehashing every phrase for controversy.

Posted by: Irishspacemonk | February 16, 2008, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm

When I googled the word combination “she periodically” I got 18,800 hits. When I googled the word combination “he periodically” I got 45,300 hits. It’s clear that people think men’s periods have a much bigger effect on their behavior than women’s. We must stop this attack on men via angry and irrational posts on websites. Let this noble counter-offensive begin with me.

Posted by: Matt Love | February 16, 2008, 12:11 pm 12:11 pm

Obama supporters love to attack Hillary on Bills indiscretions, they want Hillary to pay for all that Bill did or did not do, yet their own candidate at the moment has a shadow hanging over his head with this Sinclair issue, yet his supporters who seem to act as if Clinton’s will be such a disgrace for the WH they ignore the accusations that are being throw at Obama, seems like some major double standards going on. What if what this man is alleging come out to be true, this is going to be the biggest joke of the century and also the biggest disgrace.

Posted by: SJ | February 16, 2008, 12:11 pm 12:11 pm

I think this is kicking up a fuss about nothing really. I think Obama was making a point about the defensiveness of the Clinton campaign when the chips are down. I don’t think he meant any particular thing by it, beyond that.
Its hardly a ‘Jesse Jackson won South Carolina in 1984 and 1988′ level of comment after all.

Posted by: markymark | February 16, 2008, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm

Oh, please.
Anyone who would view “claws” as a reference to women is hypersensitive and overthinking.
And by “down,” he obviously meant “down in the polls.”
Hey,people. Let’s lighten up and keep the focus on the issues, and not this Mars-Venus crap.

Posted by: jac13 | February 16, 2008, 12:13 pm 12:13 pm

What’s wrong with what Obama said? He’s no more sexist than any other Muslim guy.

Posted by: smile it won't hurt | February 16, 2008, 12:13 pm 12:13 pm

OBAMA WILL HAVE ALOT OF EXPLAINING TO DO SOON ABOUT THE RECENT DRUG ISSUE AND THE GAY ATTACKS.
GODD BLESS AMERICA!!!!!!!

Posted by: NORM | February 16, 2008, 12:14 pm 12:14 pm

Haha, if the best is a Hilbot can do is ‘jealousy’, she better start paying her minions more. Then again, it’s no wonder she burns through money faster than an Indonesian bush fire.
Geez, if you’re going to hire somebody to defend you and launch smear campaigns about Obama on the internet, at least hire someone decent.
The smell of desperation is getting stronger!

Posted by: Cat Scratch | February 16, 2008, 12:14 pm 12:14 pm

I am glad we are finally seen the real Obama.

Posted by: Pat | February 16, 2008, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm

Haha, if the best is a Hilbot can do is ‘jealousy’, she better start paying her minions more. Then again, it’s no wonder she burns through money faster than an Indonesian bush fire.
Geez, if you’re going to hire somebody to defend you and launch smear campaigns about Obama on the internet, at least hire someone decent.
The smell of desperation is getting stronger!

Posted by: Cat Scratch | February 16, 2008, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm

The media is enjoying this fight between obama and hillary and parsing it so small.
When I read the “claws” comment, it DID seem like subtly sexist language. I’m an Obama supporter warning him to watch out for that kinda stuff.
But when he said the “down” statment, it never occurred to me that it was sexist. I assumed he meant down in the polls, down in delegates, not down as in mood. And I’m pretty sure that’s what he meant.

Posted by: maria | February 16, 2008, 12:16 pm 12:16 pm

The media is enjoying this fight between obama and hillary and parsing it so small.
When I read the “claws” comment, it DID seem like subtly sexist language. I’m an Obama supporter warning him to watch out for that kinda stuff.
But when he said the “down” statment, it never occurred to me that it was sexist. I assumed he meant down in the polls, down in delegates, not down as in mood. And I’m pretty sure that’s what he meant.

Posted by: maria | February 16, 2008, 12:16 pm 12:16 pm

Excuse me, but this isn’t newsworthy. Could we have the news back, please?!
As for Taylor Marsh, isn’t she a former beauty pageant winner who was caught taking money for her blogging? Why yes… yes she is.
Nobody even heard of her before this election, and she crows on about a radio show that doesn’t exist, except as something streamable on the web that anyone could create themselves in a few minutes.

Posted by: Mark Kraft | February 16, 2008, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm

I personally do not want a desperate person as president! The Clinton campaign is arrogant and desperate! I also do not want desperate journalist delivering the news! Can we now get back to the substantive issues? This is not news worthy and is utterly ridiculous!!!

Posted by: TheMightyC | February 16, 2008, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm

As an outsider, following the elections from Europe, I´m stunned by the level of scrutiny the candidates are facing. To characterize the speech as sexist seems just outright laughable. :-D
Why not take the whole process a little more serious and focus on the problems these politicians should be solving? Or are American journalists really this petty?

Posted by: Arnoud | February 16, 2008, 12:25 pm 12:25 pm

The sad thing is Obama is using code words for white males to get a chuckle. He needs as many white male voters and they tend to be conservative, not quite ready to see a women in the white house. Problem also is the smugness that Obama supports are showing toward Hilliary supporters, if Obama does get the nod, you Obama supports are not enough to get him elected, I am tried of your out rigth disrespect for anyone who does not support your choice. I am from Illinois, I worked on Obama’s sentor race, but I think Obama needs to define his positions, great speaches are one thing, but not giving any defination is a problem. Though one thing is interesting, Obama need Oprah, for Iowa and South Carolina and that worked. But he lost Ma and Ca, even though he brought out Oprah, Maira and Caroline, along with Ted and Patrick, so why did he lose when he brought out the big backers????? Is it he can’t stand by himself??????

Posted by: Bridget | February 16, 2008, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm

sure would like a tally of positions on this issue based on sex.

Posted by: flyover | February 16, 2008, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm

Oh he’s said worse. How about saying her foreign affairs experience consisted of “drinking tea”. I guess he doesn’t mean the Senate arms services committeee by that remark. How about calling her the senator from the Punjab. Not sexist but offensive none the same without any media concern.

Posted by: s.b. | February 16, 2008, 12:29 pm 12:29 pm

Yes obama dis have a gay relationship in 1999 and thats okay but it was while he was high on cocaine so he did not inhale

Posted by: manof color | February 16, 2008, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm

This is Stupid!!!

Posted by: James | February 16, 2008, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm

Hillary Clinton and her supporters are on the verge of providing us with eight more years of “Republican rule and divisive politics. We all need to focus on the real issues this country faces. These issues are the “Economy”,”War” and the continued issues of a “Nation” divided. It is time for “Americans” to rebuild our political infrastructure’ and focus it on doing the work goverment should be doing for it’s citizens. We have now lived through 24 years of divisive politics in Washington, and the only people who have experience any real benefits are the special interest groups. We have watched the “News Media” continue to publish and print news stories that lack fact’s or substance. They cuddle up to special interest and others for self gratification versus communicating to the public “News”, that would enable us to think and reflect on what do we want and need from our leaders and where “Americans” as a people should have have a focus on those things that will benefit mankind. Our courts have ceased to be objective and they have become political pawns for politicans and special interest groups. If our foreparents could see us now they would be ashamed and sadden by our behavior. We are beyond the content of this article and most of you who have responed with such strong words know that.

Posted by: murl41 | February 16, 2008, 12:33 pm 12:33 pm

Yes well what I really love is how all you Obama supporters always change the topic, or deride the news media, or say how its not relevant or made up by the clinton camp. Yet when items come up about Obama like saying one thing about super-delegates and doing another, promising to take public financing then breaking his promise you all complain about the media being mean and spiteful, or again how its not the same thing. What a bunch of hypocrites you are!!!! Obama has been using sexist remarks: rolling his eyes saying you’re likable enough; saying she isn’t tough enough when she showed some emotion, yet it’s okay when he shows emotion passiong and gets angry; talking about her claws coming out, well come on we’re not stupid as we all know he’s being sexist using code words and now how it’s only when she’s down, emotional when she’s attacking Obama on policies. What totally Sexist crap!!! But of course that’s okay with him and his supporters because if anybody attacks them they just cry foul and if necessary cry racist, and use the race card just like in South Carolina. Total Hypocrites. Do as I say, not As I do, you have to behave, but we don’t. That’s why we have an open letter about something that has nothing to do with blog yet posted here-change the subject!!!! Blame the media, say what Obama says is different and okay-change the subject!!!! Call people on her stupid with code words like Low-information voters-change the subject!!! This has nothing to do with the clinton machine, especially since you conveniently ignore that Obama has his own political machine working quite well, but again that’s okay because it’s Obama. Just no one else can do the same. The fact is that the media wrote this story, no one else the same way that Obama didn’t have anything to do with the Hillary stories that all the Obama supporters love so much. The only reason you’re all upset is that someone actually is finding out and writing stories about Obama that you don’t like so all of sudden its wrong.
So cut the crap, the whining, and the conspiracy crap.
Most of all quit the double standards and the Hypocricy.

Posted by: Devilsndust41 | February 16, 2008, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm

Hillary Can’t Be President ANYWAY!!!
The Constitution describe the President as a MAN. Other women have run for President dating back to the 1800s but none have won. Hillary my run but she cannot hold the office of the President without a constitutional amendment. The 19th Amendment gave women the right to VOTE only, not to hold the highest office in the U.S. Wake UP America!!!!

Posted by: chika | February 16, 2008, 12:40 pm 12:40 pm

Puh-leeese! If he said it about McCain would you be crying that he’s an agist — that perhaps the old man needs to take a nap.
The case for this is just WAY too weak. Yes, it would be EXTREMELY offensive if he made sexist references along this line, that were overt. But he hasn’t.
I expect the Clinton campaign will push this one hard. But really. Regular people don’t care.
Rob in Minneapolis

Posted by: Rob D | February 16, 2008, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm

The President must be a MAN well now I have heard it all, what does it say about confessed crack heads and drug user anything in there about that ???

Posted by: SJ | February 16, 2008, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm

oh if you are obamma you do a lot of jaw jacking. He has two agendas one himself; two the needs of one race. He can say anything and so does his supporters, but can the rest of us critize? NO we are always censored. People like to repeat old 20 year history in these blogs…… like thats going to change minds. I view being on the board of directors of walmart in 1986 no comparison to doing crack then. Hey obama has his supporters thinking thats okay but look who backs him t. kennedy go figure…………..I am thinking that obama is looking a little pinched in the face lately and seems to shake a lot and forget a lot ………………..yep just look

Posted by: daddywontsellthefarm | February 16, 2008, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm

Did Jim just use the word “blown” in his blog because the name Larry comes to my mind. But that’s too nasty. I think all of us, Clinton and Obama supporters, are merely talking to the choir here. I just hope none of the real voters out there in the real world read both of our crap because neither of us are doing either of our candidates any favors here. More so than not each of us seem to be the exact opposite of Hillary’s and Obama’s hopes for a better and kinder America.

Posted by: Mike | February 16, 2008, 12:48 pm 12:48 pm

Cocaine is a hard drug, Obama is an OBAmination , he is a sexist, If he wins I am going Republican. No way will I vote for a scumbag like him. All these people getting on his train will be sorry becouse he will not win.

Posted by: Carlos | February 16, 2008, 12:48 pm 12:48 pm

I could possibly think ‘claws’ shouldn’t have been used. The sentence from yesterday is in no way sexist. That statement could have easily been said about him if he was losing. I think that MSNBC might be trying to change their reporting towards Hillary.

Posted by: jill | February 16, 2008, 12:48 pm 12:48 pm

Did Jim just use the word “blown” in his blog because the name Larry comes to my mind. But that’s too nasty. I think all of us, Clinton and Obama supporters, are merely talking to the choir here. I just hope none of the real voters out there in the real world read both of our crap because neither of us are doing either of our candidates any favors here. More so than not each of us seem to be the exact opposite of Hillary’s and Obama’s hopes for a better and kinder America.

Posted by: Mike | February 16, 2008, 12:50 pm 12:50 pm

After the recent boon-article against Obama, this one is an even more ridiculous punch, and not worth to say more.

Posted by: mike | February 16, 2008, 12:50 pm 12:50 pm

After the recent boon-article against Obama, this one is an even more ridiculous punch, and not worth to say more.

Posted by: mike | February 16, 2008, 12:51 pm 12:51 pm

What do you REALLY Think the Clintons will do in office again?? Is this all the candidates the US has to offer us?? An ex-president’s wife, an adulterer, an ex-president who has had sex with interns; been impeached and still some of the american people are voting for THAT. You are OUT OF YOUR MINDS!!!

Posted by: chika | February 16, 2008, 12:54 pm 12:54 pm

after the boon-article, this “blog” is even more ridiculous.

Posted by: mike | February 16, 2008, 12:55 pm 12:55 pm

I am a 62 year old white woman born and raised in central Mississippi that has been a live long Republication until this year.
Each day I thank God for the mother I was fortunate enough to be born to. A mother who told me from an early age that it was not what a person looked like on the outside but what they were as a person on the inside. A mother who in the late 50′s was criticised for letting the black house keeper sit in the front seat of the car. When I asked her why people were saying bad things to her she told me it is sticks and stones that will break your bones but words will only hurt you if you allow them to.
By the mid 60′s my mother had worked for two major American manufacturers and was the first woman in the history of these companies that was promoted to a job that historically had been held by men. She believed that if you acted as a person first you would be equal.
We have so many ways of defining ourselves. Blonds are stupid, redheads are fiery and brunettes are smarter. What exactly does speaking in code words mean other than another way to instill further division from what we are first, a person.
The animal species has claws and they are present in both the male and female of the species.
Humans have emotions and both male and female have their down days when they are not at their best. It is a people thing shared by both sexes.
Real change would be if we all started thinking of ourselves as a person first. I think Obama comes closer to this than any other candidate that is running. I am tired of all the years of fear being the prevailing motivator. He has my vote.

Posted by: Minu | February 16, 2008, 12:56 pm 12:56 pm

Too far fetched… Drop it! There are real *issues* at stake.

Posted by: OrionC | February 16, 2008, 12:57 pm 12:57 pm

chika, better than haveing a (In the Closet President)

Posted by: carlos | February 16, 2008, 12:57 pm 12:57 pm

Carlos, you are just as corrupt as they are! I’m talking facts, you are talking speculation! The truth will always Stand!!

Posted by: Chika | February 16, 2008, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm

Oh the Obamaites are getting desperate.
So sick of every little word being taken out of context and all the HIllary
bashing. Better wise up folks, just
think of 4 years of “code words” from
Obama. Get over him, can’t wait to see
what comes from the newest – Sinclair.
Finally, and not Hillary’s campaign,
someone has decided to show us what
Obama really is.

Posted by: Debbie | February 16, 2008, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm

Carlos, you are just as corrupt as they are! I’m talking facts, you are talking speculation! The truth will always Stand!! Let’s see how far you get in life.

Posted by: chika | February 16, 2008, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm

People always trying to misquote Obama. He is simply trying to say hear that when Hillary is leading in the poll she does not attack,but when she is not leading she does attack.I think media is creating a lot of problems in this campaign between Hillary and Obama. PLease be sincere when you give report.

Posted by: I.A.T Smith | February 16, 2008, 1:03 pm 1:03 pm

First – we should take a step back and understand how wonderful it is that this country is able finally get through the horrible things around prejudice that linger… even today… It is magnificent that Obama is scaling as a politician and as a leader.
But is he right for right now? in this world, with the challenges that face this country today is he the best choice? Our GOP leadership today is not forthright about the war, the economy, or how we have seen the basic rights of our constitution forgotten or distorted. This job is going to be so HUGELY TOUGH ON DAY ONE!
So I guess in this current state of our country, experience is bad. Do we let first year pilots fly the shuttle? Do we allow those who have gone to med school to practice prior to years of internship?
There is an over hyped sensation that began at the last Democratic convention. It is called Obama-mania. It continues. Just think 5 women feinting in the audience in New Hampshire and other places… Obama, there ready with the water… just tooooo choreographed for me thank you. Our friend Obama is a pretty cute guy… but not that cute…
Obama is so eloquent with his content free sermons. I can feel it…. at least Jerry Fallwell had content- even if I didn’t believe a word of it.
I have heard all the baloney about Bill being negative… sheesh… I remember the GOP going after him because he smoked pot… I remember a pathetic excuse for a presidential candidate that could not even defend himself about the swift boat controversy…. and he is an American hero who was competing against a silver spooned AWOL reserve air force pilot… just think he was in the reserves and was AWOL…
So Hillary should be slammed because her husband is one of the most famous people on the planet and the press wants to capture every morsel of a speech and make it red hot journalism… come-on people we live in a world of the paparazzi.
The way the press is going at this- no one will challenge the obvious anti-feminist tone of the grand master Obama. Not now.
Don’t get me wrong, Obama will be a fabulous leader. But not now. Let’s give the ball to someone who can play the full game, get the tough short yards, and also make the historic gains as well.
Yes— Hillary!
OK – So I am a white male of 53 years. You may find it surprising I am NOT a democrat.
Obama could very well get my vote in 8 years… He would have to change on a few of his positions… but then, is there any candidate in any year that matches one’s beliefs on the issues….
sorry I forgot this is not an election about the issues…

Posted by: eric warner | February 16, 2008, 1:04 pm 1:04 pm

ridiculous, period

Posted by: mike | February 16, 2008, 1:07 pm 1:07 pm

Sorry chika , I just do not trust anyone who used cocaine and is supposed to be smart. This is in his book, not speculation.

Posted by: Carlos | February 16, 2008, 1:08 pm 1:08 pm

Does anyone REALLY believe this race is about gender?
We have many women in top ranking business positions and many women serving as high ranking public officials. Women fight in Iraq and they govern this country.
BEING A WOMAN in this race isn’t the problem…WHICH WOMAN is in this race is the problem.
If you can only defend Hillary because of her gender, then you need to consider how that will work for her if she gets elected.
Other countries, especially the Middle East, don’t consider being politically correct a criteria. Condoleezza Rice meets with them (even without Bill Clinton to fight for her) and has earned their respect. If someone said Condoleezza had her “claws out” we would say “way to go Condee”.
No, it’s not about a woman in the race, it’s about THIS WOMAN.

Posted by: A Female Independent Voter | February 16, 2008, 1:12 pm 1:12 pm

Obama new we should not go to war with Iraq. Did he also know that cocaine is bad for him. Hello out there this guy is a salesman, and not avery good one at that.

Posted by: charles | February 16, 2008, 1:14 pm 1:14 pm

Did the media look for code race words from the Hillary campaign in SC, YES! Is the media looking for code sexists words from Obama now, YES! We, the Hillary camp, have suffered from this type of crap and it’s somewhat nice to see the other side (Obama camp) having to deal with this sort of garbage. My point. . . I said it was garbage then. So I have to remain true to my principles now and say this is garbage now because Hillary did not mean it is it sounded then and Obama does not mean it as it sounds now.

Posted by: Wil | February 16, 2008, 1:20 pm 1:20 pm

Give me a break. Claws coming out has to do with cats–they have to unsheath claws to attack; unbelievable.
Periodically means not continually. What other word would you use?
The closest that might come to a personal attack was the word ‘feeling’–perhaps ‘thinking’ would have been a preferred.
But none of this seems to rise to the level of true tragedy or misogny. Have we as a society become so PC-oriented that we are reduced to picking over statements like buzzards pick over carcas? This is the biggest bunch of huey I have yet read.
Let’s talk issues, folks, or legitimate campaign strategies that inform the entire tone of the debate, not these manufactured, overly sensitive non-issues.
Get real.

Posted by: Kitty | February 16, 2008, 1:21 pm 1:21 pm

Why all these “Twists and Turns”? What kind of reporting is this one? Is this also the way you have found your voices?

Posted by: Peace | February 16, 2008, 1:34 pm 1:34 pm

I think this is the most laughable micro-attack yet, from two women who are probably stauch Hillary supporters and are searching high and low for any way to undermine the Obama campaign. This focus on the most innocent and innocuous of statements is pathetic, but if this is what the Clinton campaign is reduced to doing, have at it. I think most of the folks in the country, except those already for Clinton, can read the desperation in this attack in a tea cup.
Oh, wait, is tea cup derogatory toward women? It’s getting I can’t tell anymore. Someone have a play book out there?

Posted by: Kira | February 16, 2008, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm

Obama spoke facts. Whenever Campaign Clinton faces a loss, the attack machine swings into high gear. Plain and simple. But they aren’t very good at noticing to what affect at the polls, are they? Maybe that’s because the Queen beheads anyone who dares to speak the truth or suggest playing a different game? That’s hardly unifying now, is it? How many people has Hillary fired so far? What was that you were saying about ready on Day One, dear?

Posted by: SE Croft | February 16, 2008, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm

Is this for real? I saw someone write about this in a diary yesterday and thought it simply was a joke, but here I come to find out that supposed reputable newspeople are actually making a case for this. I think when people falsely play the sexism card, they do us women in general a disservice, especially when it’s perpetuated by other professional women.

Posted by: vena | February 16, 2008, 1:45 pm 1:45 pm

Jill,
You are truly a disgrace to the Democratic party. Hillary started all this. What you don’t know is, and this is a promise: Obama wins a landslide in November, and will give a life you never thought you will ever have. You have a mental disoder that is clouding who you really are. The frustration of loosing? maybe? Don’t wait until the ship goes down, always make wise judgements…..always bet on a winner. All those who brought America into that mind frame of sending American brothers to kill and be killed in the name of oil, at the expense of innocent Iraqis, and worried American families, will be paid back in kind by the American people. You are truly the sort of people that undermine the chances of the Democratic party. I believe you are a Republican invader, we smell you from a mile away….you need to bite your tongue.

Posted by: silent voice | February 16, 2008, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm

I lived through the battles of the sexes in the seventies and eighties, and carry some scars to prove it; I think my senses are pretty well honed to deliberate sexism and subtle put-downs. Here’s my two cents on this sort of commentary: when women begin to be snarky like this, when they begin to find insult when none appears to be meant, when they raise their voices in dubious battle, these women and their extraordinary sensitivity do more harm to women than anything the original words could have done. They make themselves the subject of ridicule–the last thing they want–and re-enforce the idea that women really can’t take the heat. When–if–any candidate gets to the point where they are truly belittling Hillary Clinton for being a woman, we will all know it and then both men and women will rise up and demand retractions. Until then, let’s just try to control this sort of emotional and ill-conceived outrage.

Posted by: Deb | February 16, 2008, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm

I think this is another case of mainstream media folks doing all they can to find an angle to prop up the ugly campaign being waged by Hillary Clinton. The terms “sexist” and “misogynist” have been thrown around a bit too much during this campaign season. THE FACT IS that HILLARY has repeatedly continued to PLAY THE VICTIM card.

Posted by: Christopher London | February 16, 2008, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm

Did these godless MSNBC females actually attack God today? Surely the Obamabots will not allow God to be attacked like this. There’s only one course the Obamabots have left, destroy these two godless morons and the witch Hillary.

Posted by: Wil | February 16, 2008, 1:55 pm 1:55 pm

I wondered about the language too but don’t feel like I can conclude that it was intentionally sexist. Do candidates say such things about their fellow male candidates? Do they try to undercut an attack by saying it’s an indication of desperation because the opposing campaign is slipping? Absolutely. Is this particular response to Clinton — focusing more on how Clinton feels about her campaign slipping as opposed to, simply, the campaign slipping — sexist? Maybe. I can’t quite tell.

Posted by: LynnDee | February 16, 2008, 1:55 pm 1:55 pm

Tempest in a teapot. Anyway, the language Clinton is using in her Wisconsin ads reminds me of the “Mean Girls” movie. No responsible adult says things like, “Maybe he’d prefer…” and “Now he’s hiding…” with that sarcastic, taunting attitude. She’s doing the same thing in her speeches – no wonder voters are being turned off.
If voters want to be entertained, I suggest they see “Wicked” – at least it’s well-written and has a message.
My point is…this is why Clinton’s becoming such an embarrassment to Democrats. We don’t want to parse Obama’s reactions to this drivel word by word, we just want the Clintons to go away. Why didn’t they stick to working on their foundation so we could all remember their best qualities, and forget these other qualities? All the bad memories are flooding back.

Posted by: Tom J | February 16, 2008, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm

Obama is a sexist. His tone is demeaning. If you see the clip in which he says “periodically” Sen. Clinton goes on the attack (read goes negative and becomes bitchy) when she is down to increase her appeal (because you know women are just cranky people who whine but if men launch attacks they are fighting back).
This isnt the first time. He described his foreign policy experience as being rooted in the real lives of people because he spent some childhood years in Indonesia and has relatives in Kenya. He also said that his experience was not rooted in having ‘teas at the ambassador’s residences’. Coz yea, that is what Sen. Clinton was doing. Sipping tea and baking cookies for ambassadors not diplomatic efforts that help resolve the Northern Ireland efforts or giving a ground-breaking and historic speech in China despite heavy opposition to her plans.

Posted by: Joan | February 16, 2008, 1:58 pm 1:58 pm

Democrats need to focus long and hard on the CLINTONS and the type of campaigns that they run. They are fundamentally dishonest people who could give a rat’s ass about building a strong Democratic Party. Both Hillary and Bill see the party as a vehicle to satisfy their own political ambition. The Clinton Campaign has extensively engaged in RACE & GENDER BAITING POLITICS. Hillary cannot win with a positive message based upon her actual experience and character, so the Clintons have instead run a campaign that would make JESSIE HELMS PROUD. VICTIMIZATION POLITICS have worked for the Clintons in the past. This cycle the CLINTONS have played the FEMALE & LATINO VOTE and in particular to a greater extent the LEFT SIDE of the BELL CURVE. Hillary’s campaign has no appeal whatsoever to reasonably enlightended folks.

Posted by: Christopher London | February 16, 2008, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm

Hey, Obamabots can’t you all hide Obama’s ugly wife away?

Posted by: Mark | February 16, 2008, 2:03 pm 2:03 pm

Those comments are grotesquely sexist, and moreover Obama knows it. These are dogwhistle messages for his legions of frat-boy supporters who hate and fear women. At least I hope that’s what they are,because if they reflect his true feelings, then I really feel sorry for Michelle.

Posted by: doyenne49 | February 16, 2008, 2:04 pm 2:04 pm

Also obamma lovers Do you not feel he is a liar? He told Mccain that he would go to general campaign funds now he is backing off on that. Why is it because Michelle obamma has not finished purchasing her wardrobe that has been funded by the campaign money. I heard she bought a 200.00 pair of tennis shoes for herself why does she need that? He told all of you that his politics will be different I DO NOT SEE ANY ACTIONS THAT HE WANTS TO REACH OUT TO ANYONE OTHER THAN THOSE WHO WHO ARE FOOL HARDY ENOUGH TO LISTEN TO HIS RHETORIC. ALSO I RESENT THAT OBAMMA PEOPLE ARE SAYING UNLESS YOU FOLLOW HIM YOU ARE UNEDUCATED SO YOU ARE SAYING THE BLACKS AND THE YOUNG MEN IN THIS COUNTRY ARE SMARTER THAN THE WOMEN, ASIANS AND LATINOS i FIND THAT TOTALLY OFFENSIVE AND TOTALLY WRONG LESS GO IQ TO IQ ANY DAY ANY TIME.

Posted by: DAddywontsellthefarm | February 16, 2008, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm

Hillary is a mellow dramatist, she creats drama to gain attention, ummmmmm, disjointed campaign, how can she boast of being ready from day one? I don’t trust that lady. All of a sudden she knows all that is wrong with America? why did they not solve these issues during Bill’s tenure? nooooooo, he was to busy chasing new sex partners!!!!!!! his scandals make the GOPs win, and the chain reaction. What will the Clintons do that is new? Bill had no experience when he came to power. Their time is up, a new face this time

Posted by: silent voice | February 16, 2008, 2:08 pm 2:08 pm

All of those trying to defend Obama on this page are just making it worse for him. Because what may have been covert sexism in his comments is becoming overt sexism in their remarks. The dogwhistle reached the dogs, obviously. And this is what they call chaning politics. Sounds (and smells) like politics as usual to me. No wonder Obama is losing women’s votes by double digits.

Posted by: doyenne49 | February 16, 2008, 2:12 pm 2:12 pm

funny how twisting obama’s words into sexism is bad, but twisting hillary’s words into racism isn’t. but koolaid drinkers only see one side.

Posted by: so saddened | February 16, 2008, 2:17 pm 2:17 pm

do you think Michelle obamma will divorce obamma for the gay relationship no……………..she want to be first lady of the newly named House of color

Posted by: daddywontsellthefarm | February 16, 2008, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm

Look, so saddened. I am not a Clinton or Obama supporter. But I know sexism when I hear it. If you don’t, that’s your misfortune.

Posted by: doyenne49 | February 16, 2008, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm

As a woman I found both those comments to be deragatory. I’d want to have an experienced woman in office, but unfortunately the country isn’t ready to accept that idea. You can see that in Obama’s use of words, where majority of white men’s preferences are in voting in primaries and caucauses, and to top it off the vast majority of super delegates are men. Unfortunately for Hillary, ‘our’ time hasn’t arrived yet the U.S. still has one foot in the caveman era.
Thank you to Nora and Andrea for addressing it, as a man reporter wouldn’t have. He hasn’t been on the receiving end of such sexist comments.

Posted by: saysitso | February 16, 2008, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm

you are absolutely right that obama’s words were sexist. i obviously communicated badly. all i meant to say was that the obama supporters claim it’s twisting when it’s their guy, but claim it’s real when it’s hillary. sorry i wrote badly. i think what has been done to hillary in this campaign, by both obama and the media, is the absolute worst kind of sexism. and i’m a lifelong democrat who will vote republican for the first time in my life if obama gets the democratic nomination.

Posted by: so saddened | February 16, 2008, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm

I can’t believe anybody is stupid enough to think this is a news story. Next you’re going to be looking for sexist code by rearranging the letters in the words of Obama’s speeches to make anagrams.

Posted by: Jason | February 16, 2008, 2:25 pm 2:25 pm

Sounds like angry women, uless we give them there way they wright garbage. It,s ok for Hillary and Bill to Obama and Jessie are just alike. Give me a break this story is a fairy tell.

Posted by: Walt | February 16, 2008, 2:27 pm 2:27 pm

OK, so saddened, my apologies. You obviously have more on the ball than Jason does.

Posted by: doyenne49 | February 16, 2008, 2:27 pm 2:27 pm

Oh get over it! This is so silly. You don’t think this has anything to do with Andrea’s Mitchell’s personal political beliefs..perhaps she is NOT an Obama, supporter???!!! It was clear to me that Obama meant “down in the polls and contest, in general”..you are confusing HIS rhetoric with the tactics of his opponents. And, males have claws TOO, by the way!!! This is a flimsy attempt to discredit an opponent, and a far cry from the condoned comments of his opponents!Hey…is there no INTERESTING news to cover???
Suzanne

Posted by: suzanne f | February 16, 2008, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm

saysitso I could not agree more with you However until the last man is standing I will not throw in the towel. Woman are more resilent we can do this this time we have to other wise the republicans will win. Focus and resolve focus and resolve

Posted by: daddywontsellthefarm | February 16, 2008, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm

doyenne49, apology accepted but unnecessary. it was my fault for not taking the time to express myself properly. and you are absolutely right that obama’s comments were intended for his frat boy supporters. actually, i am not so surprised that men are falling for obama’s games, but what really bothers me is that women are falling into the trap. it never ceases to amaze me how much women can hate women.

Posted by: so saddened | February 16, 2008, 2:31 pm 2:31 pm

He DIDN’T say “down in the polls,” he said “feeling down”–he expressly (and intentionally) referred to her emotional state. You can spin that away if you want, but that’s what he actually said.

Posted by: doyenne49 | February 16, 2008, 2:32 pm 2:32 pm

You know, boys, you aren’t helping Obama with your crass sexist remarks. In fact, you’re just proving the point Jake T raises in his post. Hearing the dogwhistle, fellas?

Posted by: doyenne49 | February 16, 2008, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm

This is ridiculous.

Posted by: Topanga | February 16, 2008, 2:34 pm 2:34 pm

His comment is meaningless and being used by the media to bait the Clinton campaign. Andrea Mitchell’s only job at NBC nowadays is to criticize Hillary. She makes baseless accusations without ever citing sources. The network has only grudgingly investigated allegations into Obama’s 12-year stint helping a Chicago slumlord rip off the African American community, and his watering down of legislation requiring nuclear giant Exelon to publicly disclose radiation leaks. In both cases, they managed to cast aspersions on Clinton, who had nothing to do with either.

Posted by: Factcheck | February 16, 2008, 2:37 pm 2:37 pm

WAKE UP ALL DEMOCRATS!! IF OBAMA BECOME THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE, JOHN MCCAIN IS GOING TO PEEL HIM OFF INCH BY INCH. OBAMA IS LIKE A SACRIFICE LAMB TO JOHN MCCAIN. WAKE UP PEOPLE!

Posted by: TOO Independent | February 16, 2008, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm

Jim In 1962 Hillary was 13 years old that was not having sex that was rape.Please get your facts straight. This just goes to show how the obamma people are. Facts about obammas past are always turned around to Hillary. How can you call yourself informed when you are constantly sticking your head in the sand about obamma. Are you afraid lightening will strike you if you listen to the facts? Obamma will show his true colors and it will not be what you think you are seeing.

Posted by: daddywontsellthefarm | February 16, 2008, 2:48 pm 2:48 pm

This article reflects reverse sexism. If a men says to a women: “You fell down periodically” , the period meant is not alway 28 days. Also Barack was precisely relating to her losses. Saying periodical losses, I now maybe also said something wrong to the paranoid feminists out there.
But language is accurate enough to differ between menstruation, tax periods, nychthemeron, bouts, and a week. period

Posted by: Mike | February 16, 2008, 2:48 pm 2:48 pm

Please dissect the claws comment.

Posted by: sayitso | February 16, 2008, 2:55 pm 2:55 pm

Obama is a sexist. His tone is demeaning. If you see the clip in which he says “periodically” Sen. Clinton goes on the attack (read goes negative and becomes bitchy) when she is down to increase her appeal (because you know women are just cranky people who whine but if men launch attacks they are fighting back).
This isnt the first time. He described his foreign policy experience as being rooted in the real lives of people because he spent some childhood years in Indonesia and has relatives in Kenya. He also said that his experience was not rooted in having ‘teas at the ambassador’s residences’. Coz yea, that is what Sen. Clinton was doing. Sipping tea and baking cookies for ambassadors not diplomatic efforts that help resolve the Northern Ireland efforts or giving a ground-breaking and historic speech in China despite heavy opposition to her plans.

Posted by: Joan | February 16, 2008, 2:57 pm 2:57 pm

The Obamas introduced race in to the campaign – ex Michelle “black America will wake up” Obama. Many Obama supporters appear ignorant of facts.
Ignorance equate to irresponsibility. Check out your own candidates history. If you really wanted to represent change you would inform yourselves.
Note: I did not say all Obama supporters
who are incapable of objectivity.

Posted by: djjly | February 16, 2008, 2:57 pm 2:57 pm

It is alarming that no one dares to say anything negative about Abama. Is the country ready to elect someone who does not have a track record? He says he is not part of the establishment. Isn’t he a senator? A senator is not part of the estblishment? He says he is for change, but everything he says he is going to do once elected is the status quo. He is no different from other politicians. He is really different in lacking experience.

Posted by: Independent | February 16, 2008, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm

i wasn’t aware that only women can “feel down” and lash out at people in response. talk about reading way too much into something.

Posted by: paulie31 | February 16, 2008, 3:03 pm 3:03 pm

Maybe he is a sexist. Maybe he isn’t. Maybe female supporters of Clinton ought to try harder to push the sexism angle in order to sway the woman vote. Maybe.
I don’t expect them to do anything different. I fully expect them to complain that the media is sexist for not latching onto it. I fully expect them to say women are betraying themselves by not responding to this.
And then Clinton will lose Texas and Ohio and Pennsylvania and we can move on to the general election.

Posted by: Ed | February 16, 2008, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm

Wow! Nora O’Donnell and Andrea Mitchell step up for the girls! Hmmm, Andra Mitchell and Nora O’Donnell are two women commentators who virtually spit the name of Hillary Clinton into the monitors and whose smiles and chides with the boys are barely distinguishable when sputtering about the demise of the Clinton campaign. This was probably a spoof but one worthy of taking “Note” of. Yes the comments are “sexist”. It’s the code language men use about women to put us down without having the blatant stigma of misogynist tattooed on their forehead. In the media and in congress a little sexism is still ok as long as it doesn’t get out of line. So, when you heard the condescension you couldn’t quite see the sexist remark, so it gets a pass. We have sexism and misogyny. The boys get by with sexism thats acceptable. Racism isn’t acceptable; race baiting isn’t acceptable and it shouldn’t be. So there really isn’t anything to exploit with Obama. But, sexism in the media world doesn’t equal misogyny. However, I assure you, multitudes of women are fed up with it in the media and from candidates. For all the young women on the Obama hope and happy train ask yourself “Is sexism of any form acceptable?” “Do sexism and sexist remarks equal misogyny?” Which candidate can more clearly see these lines and in between the lines? Does that particular vision matter to the future of this country and the world? I think it does.

Posted by: AmazonTraveler | February 16, 2008, 3:05 pm 3:05 pm

That prompted some female TV reporters to question the language he was using.
Should read: After being given talking points by Wolfson et a, some female TV reporters . . . .
No one tough enough to be a reporter at that level notices stuff like this. Not believeable. Only the Clintons pull this stuff.

Posted by: John Oh | February 16, 2008, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm

siberia, I’m a registered democrat but that does not mean I’m beholden to the party. I support who I believe to be the best candidate. I support Hillary because of her stance on the what means most to me, not because she’s a woman. Obama scares me, to me he appears to be the salesman with the magic elixir. I definitely will not vote for him if he’s nominated, not all will just switch over due to party loyalties as most upper echelon dems believe to be true. They’re jumping her ship, I’m jumping the Dems ship if he’s the nominee.

Posted by: sayitso | February 16, 2008, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm

Seriously?
I think you’re overexamining things wayyyyyyy too much. I think its sexist to think that Hillary can’t handle these kinds of “attacks” if you can really call them that. Obama seemed to just to be using language to describe the way in which Hillary always resorts to slash and burn politics (the ways of Washington) when she gets behind but at the same time wants to act like the candidate of change. I think Obama is simply pointing out that this campaign is about the past versus the future and that the nasty campaign tactics of the Clintons are exactly why we should leave them in the 90′s. Now if Obama had stated/implied that Hillary was winning only because she was a woman and was receiving special treatment, then yes I would call that sexist. Nothing like that has occured. Until it does, find something more thought-provoking to blog about and throw in a dash of intelligence too!
-JT

Posted by: turner | February 16, 2008, 3:10 pm 3:10 pm

Watching CNN election coverage today, Saturday…Obama just called Hillary’s critism of his message SILLY…when is the last time you have heard anybody call a grown man, accomplished, dedicated, hard working SILLY…never…because it’s one of those load choices you only use to belittle and woman. I caught the ‘periodically’ reference too…don’t ell me he doesn’t know what he’s doing…the ‘American Idol’ candidate…Obama…text your vote now….s-e-x-i-s-t.

Posted by: GoldCanyonGal | February 16, 2008, 3:10 pm 3:10 pm

Obama could face questions about his relationship with William Ayers, a former member of the radical group the Weather Underground who is now a professor of education at the University of Illinois in Chicago. Ayers donated $200 in 2001 to Obama’s Illinois state Senate campaign and served with him from 1999 to 2002 on the board of the Woods Fund, an anti-poverty group.
The Weather Underground carried out a series of bombings in the early 1970s — including the U.S. Capitol and the Pentagon. While Ayers was never prosecuted for those attacks, he told The New York Times in an interview published Sept. 11, 2001, that “I don’t regret setting bombs.”

Posted by: Charles | February 16, 2008, 3:12 pm 3:12 pm

Senator Obama has showed several examples of sexist language. I can’t imagine that Michelle puts up with that too much, but it is there none the less. Worse, he is becoming increasingly arrogant and smug as if he is starting to believe he is the second coming.
European papers are even calling him the Black Messiah. Combine that with Rev Wright’s black superiority and anti-semitism, and you have a scary picture of demagoguery and arrogance for what is supposed to be the peoples’ choice.
Wake up America. We don’t need a rock star president. We need a president with rock solid solutions and the strength and backbone to fight the coming severe recession and bank failures. HRC is much closer to FDR and that’s who we need in these perilous times.

Posted by: Mondegreenie | February 16, 2008, 3:12 pm 3:12 pm

Those words roll off HRC like water off a ducks back…she LAUGHS at them (and the media calls it ‘cackle’). It’s the rest of us who are offended and a youthful, uninformed following that internalize the message and the meaning of those words without realizing it.

Posted by: GoldCanyonGal | February 16, 2008, 3:15 pm 3:15 pm

I am a man. I’m certainly capable of being “edgy” and “down” at times. So, no, I don’t think that’s a sexist statement.
The “claws” thing works for both male and female cats, so again, unless someone believes that cats are inherently female (which I do not, and I WOULD find that sort of attitude to be sexist), then referring to claws would not qualify as sexist to me.
So, in short, I think that we have really diminished masculinity and femininity when we accuse men of being sexist every time that a man expresses concern about the fact that he is getting attacked by a woman.

Posted by: benintn | February 16, 2008, 3:16 pm 3:16 pm

Any woman who has dared to challenge the status quo by refusing to accept the role the patriarchy insists she adopt is all to familiar with this language. He’s foreceful, she’s a bitch, he’s a leader she’s pushy, he’s angry, she has PMS. he’s clever, she’ manipulative……..
If you dare to challenge the sexist attitudes or use of language with sexist overtones it becomes more proof for how unstable and bitchy you are. ENOUGH. These beliefs are not exclusive to men, women are also products of the constuction of attitudes and beliefs that silence women. Well not all women are going to be silenced. Speak up now.

Posted by: MaryAnn | February 16, 2008, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm

This is a ridiculous attempt to find some “dirt” on Obama. Clinton does not know how to do anything BUT attack and distort because that is all the politics of the past seemed to do.
Obama has exemplified upstanding moral character and integrity throughout this campaign, even when he was attacked by an ex-president and other candidates.
Obama has the utmost respect for women. It is evidenced by the way he speaks of his mother and grandmother, the relationship with his wife and love for his two daughters.
As if the media pushing the “racial divide” was not bad enough, now ABC reporters are pushing a “gender divide.” Get over it.
FAIR COVERAGE ABC!!!
America, keep turning the page!!
OBAMA 2008!!!

Posted by: Robyn | February 16, 2008, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm

Yes, Obama was honest in his book he tried cocaine. We currently have a president who used cocaine regularly in his college days. But for some reason it is no big deal. Why is there so much hypocracy?
As for Hillary. She is trying to have it both ways. You can’t play the victim and start to cry when things get tough and show the public you are emotional, so the electorate you are human. She is airing a commercial in Wisconsin where she is all teary eyed.
I am a woman and a progressive one at that. If Hillary wants to portray herself as emotional woman, fine. Just don’t play the victim of sexism when you are called out for it!!!!! This is a ploy to get the women out to vote. She did a ploy like this when she got men with ironing boards to say to her iron my shirts to get our her women to vote. She is just trying to get the women that vote for her energized to vote for her.

Posted by: Lisa | February 16, 2008, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm

I thinks its obvious that Obama is using sexist language — but its probably not a conscious decision. (periodically?…talk about a Freudian slip!) Should this become a major controversy — of course not, but the whole “race” thing before South Carolina was equally, if not more, baseless…yet the media crucified her on that with the knowing assistance of the Obama campaign.
as to the “claws” thing… definitely sexist. While some argue that that it isn’t a reference to “cattiness” or “catfights” by citing the fact that bears, and dogs, and lots of other animals all have claws, the phrase that was used was “claws come out.” That is a reference to RETRACTABLE claws, and the only mammal that has retractible claws are felines.
(In fact, as far as I know, the only other animals that have retractable claws are a few avian species e.g. eagles.)
So when Obama said “the claws come out” he wasn’t comparing Clinton to an eagle — it was all about cats, being catty, etc.

Posted by: paul_lukasiak | February 16, 2008, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm

Yes Mr Tapper – it is indeed sexist language. I appreciate your effort in raising the issue.
But what are they saying at your network? is anyone planning on pointing out this pattern of noxious verbiage on air or are we to be happy with this little bit on a blog?
Just asking…cause I dont watch teevee.

Posted by: Judith | February 16, 2008, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm

Obama is very condescending, very. Also, no one notice he has a thing about age? He doesn’t like old people. He once told Ted Kennedy – “you’re too old show some spine”. He called McCain grumpy.
Generation – is about 20 years plus. Obama is only 14 years younger than Hillary – no one seems to notice.
The youth typically don’t vote in general elections and if they do the same thing in November, all the youth votes won’t be there and that could hurt the Democrats.
Obama’s ego is growing rapidly each day and he’s again, condescending.
What’s with Michelle Obama feeling sorry for herself? In interviews she keeps talking about how tough it is to work and run a home and family, how tough it is to allow Barrack to go into this race – cry, cry, whine, whine. I bet she doesn’t do her own housework, or have to cut the lawn – she was an exec and between the two of them they make pretty good money.

Posted by: Sandi | February 16, 2008, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm

Blaming it on hormones, which I’ll point out both genders have, might be sexist. Saying somebody gets down periodically is about the human condition, not a gender.
Claws? A somewhat gray area, but all felines have them, gender isn’t the determining factor.
So if you want to make it sexist, you can, but it demeans Senator Clinton to suggest that it is. She’s an entirely competent adult elected to the Senate who is perfectly capable of defending herself if she feels the need.

Posted by: NoDrama | February 16, 2008, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm

So when Clinton said Obama was “frustrated” after New Hampshire and Nevada that was a code word?
Slow day in the news.

Posted by: clemo | February 16, 2008, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm

Obama praises Hillary much more than she deserves, because of her record and “experience”. He is not a Hillary-hater. I only say Whitewater and Florida/Michigan.
You can of course put any notion or argument between women and men into the frame of sexism. By the way, Obama is clearly against female discrimination. To put him into a sexist drawer is, as I said before, ridiculous.

Posted by: Mike | February 16, 2008, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm

Cat fights do not refer to men, they refer to women. The claws comment would not have been made about John McCain or a Karl Rove backed candidate. Obama talks smugly about Hillary being down, whether it is sexist or not, it is him talking down to his opponent. He wrote his memoir about the absent father and his fantasies of him. When his mother dies, he said he should have written about the parent who was always present, his mother. A group of mixed race women spoke on CNN yesterday and agreed it is more acceptable to be sexist than racist. It’s there, whether intentional, conscious or not.
I think it is a legitimate critique. Hillary does go on and ignore it, but I don’t think the voters should.

Posted by: browndoe | February 16, 2008, 3:27 pm 3:27 pm

My sense of this whole matter is the following: Hillary Clinton’s campaign misrepresents women, because Hillary Clinton is not an official representative of women. If Hillary Clinton claims to be the president of a women’s organization, then she can claim to represent women. But even then, she would be accountable to the women whom she claims to represent.
There are a lot of women out there – and I talk to many of them regularly – who are frankly sick and tired of Hillary Clinton’s campaign, her attitude, her style of communication, her claims to “Experience” (mostly related to the fact that she has the experience of being married to a former president), and her tendency to polarize Americans.
There is not a female America and a male America. There is the United States of America. Differences are not deficiencies. And women have a right to choose for themselves how to think, how to act, and how to vote.
I think that Taylor Marsh is manipulative.

Posted by: benintn | February 16, 2008, 3:27 pm 3:27 pm

Sexist! For crying out loud! This is a comment that could have very easily been used against a male opponent! Have we come this far to in politics that we fail to debate and focus on the issues and instead overanalyze perceived “snubs”, cackles, tears. Very sad indeed!

Posted by: Jane Piscopo | February 16, 2008, 3:27 pm 3:27 pm

This is another example of ABC News’s unethical and racist behavior during this election. Yeah, racist. You guys so don’t want Obama to be president just because he’s Black that you would come up with anything — any little thing — and not pay attention to the poll fixing and voter fraud and campaign finance violations of the Clintons. But you too will be made to fall in line.

Posted by: Zennie | February 16, 2008, 3:27 pm 3:27 pm

Victim, victim, victim…
Stop it Hillary. I was a supporter of yours but I’m absolutely SICK of your trying to play the gender card ALL THE TIME!!
This kind of complaining makes women look stupid and irrational.
Crying in New Hampshire and playing the gender card won’t get you the presidency.

Posted by: Joy | February 16, 2008, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm

I”m a woman and I don’t see this as sexist language at all. I’m tired of women playing the victim card! How is “feeling down” sexist?? Get a grip, girlfriend!

Posted by: Beth | February 16, 2008, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm

To say that all cats have claws is a silly argument. No one ever says men claw each other. Punch and jab maybe, but not claw. It is a sexist term.
The Hillary haters can’t find any sexist code words??? These are the same people that pointed to every other word coming out of Bill Clinton’s mouth as being racist code words. Double standard and a “fairy tale” indeed.

Posted by: Mike S | February 16, 2008, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm

Lisa just becouse the current Pres. used cocaine, is exacly the reason why we should not vote for Obama.Stupid is as stupid does.Birds of the same feather.

Posted by: Charles | February 16, 2008, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm

I see some comments referring to Barack Obama as “condescending”. Can someone please help me understand this? Because I find Hillary Clinton condescending – I think it’s condescending to claim to speak for all women. I think it’s condescending for Hillary Clinton to claim that she’ll be a “voice for the voiceless” instead of helping to give every American a voice of their own. I think it’s condescending to say that she looks forward to going to Texas because of the “Mexican food”. I definitely think it’s condescending of Clinton supporters to attack Barack Obama as “inexperienced,” when in reality he’s a 47-year-old man who has been in elected office longer than Hillary Clinton has. So, I’m still fuzzy on the “condescending” idea, and especially confused about how this applies to Obama as much or more than it applies to Clinton.

Posted by: benintn | February 16, 2008, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm

I like when stories like this come out.
They remind Americans why most of us don’t want Clintons back in the Whitehouse.
Bill Clinton was always a victim. It was a Vast Right Wing Conspiracy. Hillary Clinton is always a victim now. It’s a Vast Obama Wing Conspiracy. Certain members in the media are now doing the same-old predictable response they’ve done in the 90′s to Clinton blame-the-media intimidation (and behind-the-scenes harassment), and pretending they have a point, then going along and overcompensating. But public psychodrama sells as well as sex so they and their bosses don’t mind.
Meanwhile people with real problems suffer.
Clintons’ personal lives and personal problems impede political progress and will continue to do so until the American people put an end to this pathetic type of politics.
Lastly, Hillary Clinton’s dog whistle call comes out in nearly every other speech SHE gives and it goes something like this:
“I may vote to authorize and support deadly, murderous, torturous, costly war and will do it again, but I am the real victim of the American people’s culture and society.”

Posted by: fjadfizjdf | February 16, 2008, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm

Jake,
Please stop with stories like this. It can backfire on Hillary. This line of attack is not helpful.

Posted by: Meredith | February 16, 2008, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm

Is this the “sympathy card” again??? You media guys need to find a hobby between the primaries and stop making stuff up. If she doesn’t cry, CNN and ABC will cry for her.
She’s said he was “frustrated” after Nevada. Was that sexist or racist? She has said he “can’t win” leaving open she obviously implies this because he is black. Will you examine that?

Posted by: ROB | February 16, 2008, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm

OBAMA has played the politics of gender from the very beginning, often treating Hillary like “the little woman” ( remember the comments about “I like Hillary”, or “She and I will be friends”? NO such comments were offered about Edwards, Biden, Richardson, et al, who are expected to take the race seriously, win or lose and just “buck up”. OBAMA is essentially a man at the heart of a messianic movement–and suffers from all of the narcissism and sexism associated with such movements. NO one should be surprised when sexism fuels his viewpoint and patterns of speech. Of course it is sexist to talk about Hillary being ” a little blue” periodically–it cuts her down to size in a snide and patriarchal way. OBAMA’s use of gender as a slightly “less than” indicator of Hillary’s character is no surprise given that OBAMA was the first to play the race card. Directly out of Hillary’s win after NH it was he who sent proxies out onto the airwaves spinning the “Bradley effect” and stories about “Hillary losing with women”. Note as well that it was OBAMA who left the State of Nevada after losing and NEVER made a concession speech. Can you imagine the furor if Hillary had done the same? I am disgusted with the media and disgusted with OBAMA.

Posted by: susanc | February 16, 2008, 3:36 pm 3:36 pm

How is it a problem to say you like someone???

Posted by: benintn | February 16, 2008, 3:37 pm 3:37 pm

This is what happens when you have virtually identical candidates in a 24 hour news era who just happen to be a black and a woman. Inevitably we look for non-issues, perceived slights(i.e. racist or sexist comments) and end up dividing the party and by extension the country! Irresponsible journalism at its best!

Posted by: Critical Junkie | February 16, 2008, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm

All you Kitty Cats that don’t like ABC tune into Cris Matthews on MSNBC yoll’ll purr like a kitten.

Posted by: roncraw | February 16, 2008, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm

I’ll admit it. I’ll say anything to get Hillary Clinton elected.

Posted by: Taylor Marsh | February 16, 2008, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm

Sounds like you’re trying to make this into a self-defense class, with Hillary as a woman being physically attacked and Obama being the attacker.
Reminds me why I cancelled my cable subscription for once and for all (I live in a rural area, so now it’s no TV for me). I’m much better off. You guys will stop at nothing to fill the 24-hour news cycle, including stirring up racial and sexual stereotypes which need to be left alone…to rot.
Thanks for “serving the public” so well, as is your job, according to the FCC…in return for being on the public’s airwaves.
Elise in NH

Posted by: Elise in NH | February 16, 2008, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm

Taylor, now were your claws out while you typing that :)

Posted by: sayitso | February 16, 2008, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm

So, when Obama didn’t see Hillary standing behind him and didn’t shake her hand, he was “snubbing” her.
When he pulled her chair out for her (as a gentleman does) in the debates, he was “condescending.”
He is a very tall man, and when he has to look down to watch Hillary when she’s talking, his pose is “arrogant.”
Sounds like a guy can’t get a break around here.
sheesh.

Posted by: brian | February 16, 2008, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm

Taylor Marsh is not even taken seriously anymore by anyone except the Hillary supporters.
Everyone else, including several blogs, have written her off as nuts.
As a woman, I find tiresome and whiney this crying about sexism over every imagined thing. It’s like that political correctness fad in the 90s. You cannot say anything without it being sexist.
Lighten up.

Posted by: vwcat | February 16, 2008, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm

I don’t think he’s sexist.

Posted by: Michelle Obama | February 16, 2008, 3:44 pm 3:44 pm

you said it Kris!
I can’t believe anyone actually took this article seriously.

Posted by: carpedog | February 16, 2008, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm

First off, the so called attack ad is about Obama turning down debates, that isn’t attacking, that is stating a fact!
Second, Obama knows he fairs lousy when he has debated, simply because he lacks substance!
Thirdly, Factcheck has uncovered far more distortions by Obama against Clinton thean the other way around and yet Obama keeps on pumping out the same distortions, so much for clean politics!
Fourthly, Obama has been proven his record is not what he stumps about, but is misleading, US Senate legislation he claims he has had passed the majority of them are on commitees he sits on, how many made it to law, “2″! That is the record!
Fifth, Obama has learned to disguise the politics of usual behind slogans and misleading, by simply throwing things back at those who challenge him, has worked thus far, since the majority of those who follow him haven’t a clue as to his reality!
Obama has made a discovery during this campaign, bamboosal the people with slogans and meaningless rhetoric and they will follow, keep avoiding having to prove his record and he can keep on track by making claims of:
Status Quo
Old Politics
Lobby interests
Change
Believe
and so on!
This is what used car salesmen do, and it isn’t until after you drove the car off the lot that you realize, wait a minute, why did I buy this piece of junk for! That is what you will get with a vote for Obama!

Posted by: Clear Choice | February 16, 2008, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm

What complete #####%*#! She’s “feeling down” not because she’s a woman, but because she lost 8 straight, has upheaval in her staff and is short on money. Who wouldn’t be down? Remember after NH she said Obama was “frustrated”? Because he’s black or because he just lost NH? I’ve just lost all respect for Mitchell and O’Donnel. Such BS needs to be called what it is- a play for higher ratings.

Posted by: Bill Flannigan | February 16, 2008, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm

Any male will find it hard not to buy into sexism, including obama…..it is repulsive how Hillary is portrayed by the likes of Pat Buchanon, who asked, “Do we really want to see a woman President in office age every day?”, and yet others talking about the size of Hillary’s cleavage, the size of her lips and the size of her butt, and what she wears…… and there are even WOMEN who are sexist and have said sexist things about Hillary….
This type of sexist action nullifies a person’s accomplishments and totally de-humanizes them. And what if we Americans started discussing Obama’s blue lips and small hands in relation to his tall lanky body, and, don’t forget those elephant ears……. it doesn’t allow people to look past a person’s looks and see what is inside the heart of a person……it is shallow to criticize peoples’ looks and it says MORE about the person who is DOING the criticising——American people are smarter than that, I hope, anyway…..

Posted by: Get America Back on Track | February 16, 2008, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm

This is a non-story. The only females that would read anything into this are the ones that have had to fight the feminist battles (for which all of us females who today benefit thank you for), and see conspiracies around every corner. However, the rest of us do not see the world the same way, and accept that there are certain words that are associated with each gender, and that is not positive or negative, just life.
Obama merely reacted to the new line of attack from the Clinton campaign; had Edwards or any of the other previous candidates attacked him he likely would have responded similarly.
As a female, I thank all of the women who fought for feminism. Further, as HRC lead in the poles since announcing her candidacy last year, and is still a viable candidate, I feel the feminist project is complete. I do NOT feel compelled to vote for her based on the fact that she is a woman. And as much as I would love to see a woman as president, and I think I will in my lifetime, I do not think it will be this one. Not this year, with all of the talk of dynastic rule, memories of WJC, and all of the partisan feelings surrounding the two that cannot be forgotten.

Posted by: Richelle David | February 16, 2008, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm

Any male will find it hard not to buy into sexism, including obama…..it is repulsive how Hillary is portrayed by the likes of Pat Buchanon, who asked, “Do we really want to see a woman President in office age every day?”, and yet others talking about the size of Hillary’s cleavage, the size of her lips and the size of her butt, and what she wears…… and there are even WOMEN who are sexist and have said sexist things about Hillary….
This type of sexist action nullifies a person’s accomplishments and totally de-humanizes them. And what if we Americans started discussing Obama’s blue lips and small hands in relation to his tall lanky body, and, don’t forget those elephant ears……. it doesn’t allow people to look past a person’s looks and see what is inside the heart of a person……it is shallow to criticize peoples’ looks and it says MORE about the person who is DOING the criticising——American people are smarter than that, I hope, anyway…..

Posted by: Get America Back on Track | February 16, 2008, 3:49 pm 3:49 pm

Obama may not be sexist but he sure is arrogant.

Posted by: ravenhair49 | February 16, 2008, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm

Actually Jane there is a male America and a female America. The patriarchy still rules. If women hadn’t been will to stand up to the misogyny in the early 1900′s we also would not have the right to vote. The attempts to silence those brave women didn’t work and neither will these attempts.

Posted by: MaryAnn | February 16, 2008, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm

Are you suggesting that the phrase, “launches attacks,” is sexist?
I think that assertion reveals more about your own biases. But, as a Disney shareholder, I must say that I’m grateful ABC News employs people like you to do the Clintons’ dirty work.

Posted by: Matt | February 16, 2008, 3:57 pm 3:57 pm

Hillary uses frauds periodically. She is very egocentric and she will use every shady argument to win. Now she really serously want to count Florida and Michigan, just like that. She agreed to a party regulation, and now, as she is loosing, her word is worth nothing. She betrays all who vote for her periodically, because she will just work for her own benefit. She has 6 years experience in the NY senate while Barack has 8 in Illinois. 46 is an age, where you should or could be boss, male or female no problem.
Oh, I forgot, she has 8 years of experience being the first lady, so she knows all stairways and gangways in the white house and talked to other foreign first ladies. But she already failed to get her health care plan along once, because Bill redefined the relatively clear concept “sexual relationship”. Vote for her, and you will get business as usual and not liberation or feminism, even though she’s a women.

Posted by: Mike | February 16, 2008, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm

The comments made by Obama are not offensive to this feminist. After all the smear attempts, lies, and downright voter fraud Hillary Clinton is guilty of, Obama has to be careful what he says? Who the hell cares? Hillary Clinton has dishonored her former title of First Lady, and has divided the Democratic Party and has lost my respect. She attempts to damage Obama at every campaign stop and he’s supposed to be careful? Give me a break.

Posted by: wooha3 | February 16, 2008, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm

I’m a 40ish woman living here in Wisconsin, and I have to tell you that Hillary Clinton’s crybaby victim stunts are NOT going to work here like they did in New Hampshire.
You can fool us once, but not again.

Posted by: Wisconsin Mom | February 16, 2008, 3:59 pm 3:59 pm

In other breaking news, Obama is on the hot seat for saying Hillary’s voting record was “soft” on the Iraq war.

Posted by: Ludicrous | February 16, 2008, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm

Obama came to Hillary’s defense and said she wasn’t a racist. Will Hillary come to Obama’s defense?
I didn’t think so.
Real class act we’ve got going on here.

Posted by: Faye | February 16, 2008, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm

Obama is a sexist pig. It may bother you Obamabots to hear the truth, but someone has to say it.

Posted by: doyenne49 | February 16, 2008, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm

C’mon, all, these have to be the most hyper-analyzed statements since Freud gave up his couch. I’m a super-sensitive middle-aged feminist, and I say, “Relax, go home, there’s nothing to see here.” The Clintons, having used race so unsuccessfully, are trying now to raise sexism as an issue. It won’t fly with women not employed by news outlets.

Posted by: MDavis | February 16, 2008, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm

All you people accusing Hillary of everything,give us some proofThe Repb issued 2000 subpeonas spent 40 million trying to get something on the Clintons. Tell what Prison was she in,was she cencured. What other than you hatred with no facts.

Posted by: roncraw | February 16, 2008, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm

Obama didn’t invent the idea, that Hillary is unlikeable. Like many, I just know she is because I followed her long enough. Before Obama came she was the lesser evil, though she is dishonest.

Posted by: Mike | February 16, 2008, 4:09 pm 4:09 pm

I don’t think this is about how people react to this as much as it is about how Senator Obama feels about it. I don’t think that it is our time to treat women with disrespect solely because they are women. Maybe everyone wants to see Hillary mud wrestling Michelle Obama.

Posted by: GM | February 16, 2008, 4:11 pm 4:11 pm

roncraw, just one recent proof:
Hillary really seriously wants to count Florida and Michigan, just like that. A year ago, she agreed to a party regulation, and now, as she is loosing, her word is worth nothing. She betrays all who vote for her periodically, because she will just work for her own benefit.

Posted by: Mike | February 16, 2008, 4:14 pm 4:14 pm

Taylor Marsh is a despicable hack, who cares what that smear merchant thinks?

Posted by: Jay | February 16, 2008, 4:16 pm 4:16 pm

Wow a underhanded attempt by ABC to nock down Barack Obama? Surprise Surprise

Posted by: gabriel Shepherd | February 16, 2008, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm

There you go, all of you people who believe that “there is no such thing as sexism”—–males AND females. Come out from under your rock and seriously consider the fact that this is a real prejudice. Women out there who buy into the bull that there is no sexism, at some point in your life, I am sure you have been the butt of sexism by a male—–don’t deny it. And don’t lie, either, and say it doesn’t matter and has no effect. It keeps women down, and keeps us from achieving our fullest potential……it is, after all, unfortunately, still an ALL-MALE run world, until Hillary is elected President. Women, we have come a LONG way since we got the right to vote, but we have a LONG WAY TO GO yet.

Posted by: Get America Back on Track | February 16, 2008, 4:18 pm 4:18 pm

Good for you gm finally someone who knows the facts 3 cheers.

Posted by: roncraw | February 16, 2008, 4:18 pm 4:18 pm

“”"”"”
“Claws”…”feeling down”…I find it hard to envision Obama using the same language if he were facing, say, former Sen. ***John Edwards***, D-NC.
But what do you think?
“”"”"”
Is this a joke or a rhetorical question?

Posted by: ninjapirate | February 16, 2008, 4:18 pm 4:18 pm

eyzwidopu !.7 million Floridians took the time and effort to vote. Everyones name was on the ballot.Obama breaking the rules ran an ad prior to the primary.Would a causus be right where only at most 50000 will vote.

Posted by: roncraw | February 16, 2008, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm

Accountability: EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT POST !!!!!! I challange you to blog MORE……you know your stuff !!!!

Posted by: Get America Back on Track | February 16, 2008, 4:24 pm 4:24 pm

Obama will never be called on his sexism. No need for you Obamabots to fear. This one little blog post will be just a pebble in the ocean of love washing around his glorious feet.

Posted by: doyenne49 | February 16, 2008, 4:25 pm 4:25 pm

I find the behavior of Hillary’s husband towards women much more offensive than anything Obama has said.

Posted by: Kat | February 16, 2008, 4:25 pm 4:25 pm

Your supposition is IDIOTIC. ABC must be dying to have Hillary as the Dem nominee, so you-all can show a rerun of your crappy fictional “Path to 9-111″. SHAME on you, publishing the crap. Just the headline has done your dirty work- Mission Accompished. Without a flight suit, too.

Posted by: npincus | February 16, 2008, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm

Interesting article. It sure would help the analysis if we could see the Clinton’s tax returns. Then we could see how much ABC, I mean Disney, has invested in a Clinton presidency.

Posted by: El Grande | February 16, 2008, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm

This isn’t exactly what I had envisioned…

Posted by: Elizabeth Cady Stanton | February 16, 2008, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm

ok, now I’ve had enough. I don’t care what my wife says. I am NOT voting for Hillary Clinton in the Ohio primary.
I can’t stand EIGHT YEARS of her playing damsel in distress and throwing down the gender card.
aaarg!

Posted by: dave | February 16, 2008, 4:27 pm 4:27 pm

This whole “controversy” is ridiculous.
As a woman, I find nothing offensive about what Obama said, and I’m irritated that these two reporters feel the need to “speak for women”.
You aren’t speaking for me, so just stop it, please. This is BS, and I’m sick of the Clinton campaign and their sympathizers playing the victim card. “Oh, those boys are picking on me because I’m a woman!” and “Oh dear, Obama said “periodically”, that must be a reference to menstrual cycles, that SEXIST!”
It’s deeply insulting to those of us women who have been *actual* victims of gender-related suppression/crimes/violence.
It makes Hillary (and the reporters/supporters who complain about this) look like a bunch of whiny, hand-wringing, crybabies.

Posted by: Sandra | February 16, 2008, 4:27 pm 4:27 pm

Sandra the overt sexism resulting in the victimization of women will not end until women and men challenge the most subtle of attitudes underlying the behavior.
Refusing to be silenced is not the same as playing the victim, in fact it is the opposite.

Posted by: MaryAnn | February 16, 2008, 4:33 pm 4:33 pm

Don’t think if he wins the nom. that he’ll have a laughing stock like Alan Keyes running against him. A real tough fight he had for his senate seat.All the bills he passed you didn’t mention he hit the wrong button 5 times,which ones are they on your list.

Posted by: roncraw | February 16, 2008, 4:33 pm 4:33 pm

Sorry, but she behaves very often like a bimbo. Of course she’s not one but she also is no feminist. I am sure she gets her nails done periodically, to have nicer claws.

Posted by: Mike | February 16, 2008, 4:33 pm 4:33 pm

Don’t think if he wins the nom. that he’ll have a laughing stock like Alan Keyes running against him. A real tough fight he had for his senate seat.All the bills he passed you didn’t mention he hit the wrong button 5 times,which ones are they on your list.

Posted by: roncraw | February 16, 2008, 4:34 pm 4:34 pm

So, see, Mike—-Hillary accomplished more things than obama did……and she showed up in the Senate for more votes, also……. : ) To me as an Illinois resident, he is an embarrassment as a Senator…….

Posted by: Get America Back on Track | February 16, 2008, 4:34 pm 4:34 pm

So when the Clintons have all their surragates come out and trash the women that have serviced Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton looks the other way and acts like the victim we all admire her. I am so sick and tired of her trying to have it both ways. If she wants to be the President she has better stop playing this game of the girl getting he hair pulled by the boys at school. How the hell is she going to stand up to those guys in the Middle East and the Pentagon if Barack Obama hurts her feelings.

Posted by: Nancy Abraham | February 16, 2008, 4:37 pm 4:37 pm

to roncaw: She just didn’t hold her word on Florida and Michigan.
I would also think that the Florida and Michigan vote should count, but if so, there has to be a new election of course.

Posted by: Mike | February 16, 2008, 4:38 pm 4:38 pm

Doesn’t anybody realize after all these comment knocking Clinton,she is not the one who brought up Obama’s comments

Posted by: roncraw | February 16, 2008, 4:40 pm 4:40 pm

Doesn’t anybody realize after all these comment knocking Clinton,she is not the one who brought up Obama’s comments

Posted by: roncraw | February 16, 2008, 4:40 pm 4:40 pm

Obama said “periodically feeling down”, in other words, a reference to her monthly period. (My guess is that she’s post-menapause, anyway.) In any case, it’s like saying she’s prone to PMS and will start WWIII.

Posted by: Tom | February 16, 2008, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm

See, like…Hilary is female, and like, Obama is black…and we all know female comes before black (especially white female)so it’s like Hilary’s turn. So Barack should like, wait his turn.

Posted by: mike | February 16, 2008, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm

Obama said “periodically feeling down”, in other words, a reference to her monthly period. (My guess is that she’s post-menapause, anyway.) In any case, it’s like saying she’s prone to PMS and will start WWIII.

Posted by: Tom | February 16, 2008, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm

Nancy Abraham:
Obama will be the one sitting in the corner, crying, because he lost the nomination and the Presidency to Hillary…..
Hillary KNOWS how to fight the repubs, because they have been so threatened by her they have been attacking her mercilessly for years……and she is STILL around and will make a GREAT PRESIDENT.
Imagine if barack Hussein obama got in office—–do you think all of those other countries would TRUST us, having a name like that?? (Especially Israel).
By the way, Nancy, “surrogate” is spelled as I spelled it.

Posted by: Get America Back on Track | February 16, 2008, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm

Obama has been attacking since day one, he and Michelle envoked race into the campaign, they attack when an ad against them that states the “FACTS” and call it negativity, when it is factualality. He is no hindering on the campaign finance suggestion he made of running on 85 million when called on it. And he wants Hillary to give up her super delegates but is not budging on Kennedy and Kerry who she should get if that is how he wants to play. He had CNN take her supporrtive pundits off the air and he is paying more for the super delegates. If anyone is playing snaky and low down it is Obama and people need to wake up. This campaign is like Snajaya on American Idol, that is how some are perciving it over seas. Australia, Italy and Nato do not see him reaching to them.
He also supports/sponsered a bill taking our taxpayers money for the Global POverty Tax- to fund 3rd world nations like Kenya. When are economy is in the bucket.
He is for infantcide.
He has lobbyist in his pocket just like Hillary-but not as many so that is why he is complaining. He will change his tune just like he does on everything else, when the chips aren’t in his favor.
He is the most liberal freaking politicain.
He will turn this county into a third world country-read his books and read between the lines people. He is seeking something more for his fathers heritage than he is for any american, white, black, chinese, latino, and so on.

Posted by: Deedee | February 16, 2008, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm

I assume all those here complaining about sexist language toward Hillary Clinton are going to rise in the defense of Ann Coulter when the blogosphere begins calling her names that are truly sexist and vile?

Posted by: Robert | February 16, 2008, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm

This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. Andrea and Nora must have run out of things to talk about.
Cleary, “being down” refers to down in the polls, down in delegates, down in the race. And to assume that periodically, is code for period is completely insane.
If women like Taylor, Nora and Andrea wonder who perpetrates sexism, maybe they should look in the mirror or listen to the tapes of their own idiocy.

Posted by: Lori | February 16, 2008, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm

When will ultra-militant feminists GET OFF IT and stop trying to make something of nothing? By viewing anything and everything through a defensive, overly sensitive “male vs. female” filter, they continue to perpetuate the very stereotypes they claim to be fighting against? Sheesh. I personally am for equality, not sameness – and for common courtesy, not ridiculousness.

Posted by: shawna | February 16, 2008, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm

I think nora and andrea are having a little visit from aunt flo.

Posted by: ridiculous | February 16, 2008, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm

All you women out there feeling down
should stop posting, PERIOD!!!!!

Posted by: interferon | February 16, 2008, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm

I am thinking periodically.

Posted by: Mike | February 16, 2008, 4:50 pm 4:50 pm

Maybe it has to do with the muslim upbringing he received in his formative years. You know, because muslims “respect” women and all. And didn’t I read somewhere that his mother was abused by his father. That leaves a permanent impression on a young lad.

Posted by: cdn.infidel | February 16, 2008, 4:53 pm 4:53 pm

Code word, sexist, first of all Obama should never call Hillary a she, that is sexist. Now would it be sexist if Obama stated Hillary has some balls? Hilliary needs to get some real issues to discuss instead of dwelling on her, herness. No, we do not want subsistence do we?

Posted by: Leefeller | February 16, 2008, 4:53 pm 4:53 pm

Shawna:
Take a class in feminism, and all you males out there, I dare you to be open-minded enough to do the same.
Sexism isn’t just “spoken words”—-it is also actions like opening a door for a female (present-day it is viewed as “nice), but the “opening the door for a female” used to imply that the female was not strong enough to open the door for herself…..there are SO many subtle SEXISM practices in our country that people don’t stop to even question them. You MAY even learn that when women get married, THEY give up THEIR last name, but the males don’t—–know WHY? It comes from the custom that women were “owned” by men when they got married—-they were considered “male property”. NOW you understand why Hillary calls herself HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON…..she still has her before-marriage identity, and didn’t give it up because she married a male and “took his name”.

Posted by: Get America Back on Track | February 16, 2008, 4:58 pm 4:58 pm

What do I think? When I first read this I thought it was a parody. Then I realized the MSM is just desperate to make this a Hillary V McCooKoo election.

Posted by: klyde | February 16, 2008, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm

In a recent speech at UCLA Obama’s wife said that government should be used as a means to save our souls as the souls of the people of the USA are broken. While Obama believes his ingenious words of appeasement have the power to stop war. Wars fought by Islamic fanatics against Christians and infidels in Africa, Indonesia, in the Middle East and in almost every corner of the world. History shows what happened when Obama’s tactics of appeasement were used to stop another movement intent on conquering the world. Instead of stopping the war 40 million people were killed. That was WWII. If we follow Obama’s tactics of appeasement history could repeat itself . Only things could be worse much worse as the goal of the Jihadists are very clear. The world must all bow to a new Caliph and Western civilization must be conquered in order to bring this about. Conquered by force (not words) as anyone who values Western civilization would not willingly want to live under Islamic law. Islamic law that uses the force of law in order to save our souls. So when Obama’s wife makes speeches about government being used as a means to save our broken souls it makes me a little afraid about what power she thinks the government should have to compel this.

Posted by: Sally A. | February 16, 2008, 5:02 pm 5:02 pm

‘down’ means down in the polls, which is exactly what he meant. claws refers to Bill’s too. And it’s true– the biting comments and hints of nastiness to me can easily be classified as ‘claws come out’. Periodically is true too… she’s up she’s more civil, she’s down in the polls she starts to get nasty. That is periodically. what other term can be used?

Posted by: SouthCentralDel | February 16, 2008, 5:11 pm 5:11 pm

Skeptik, why wait? Please move to Canada now. I’m willing to start a fund to help get you out of here.

Posted by: doyenne49 | February 16, 2008, 5:14 pm 5:14 pm

Skeptik: Buh bye, am sorry we are seeing you move to Canada…….I have a friend in Montreal, can you say hello to her when you move there?

Posted by: Get America Back on Track | February 16, 2008, 5:15 pm 5:15 pm

Nice try!

Posted by: FN | February 16, 2008, 5:15 pm 5:15 pm

I remember Hillary saying at some point she thought Obama was frustrated, as if to explain something he was doing or a different tack in the campaign. And it was kind of snide. I thought then that if Obama had said that Hillary was just frustrated, it would now be evidence of his using sexist language. But Obama did say Periodic and feelign down when talking about a woman. Here’s the bottom line as he leads in states, votes and delegates. ANYTHING he says will be used against him. In the upcoming debate, Clinton will claim that he made one fo the worst mistakes in debate history because she really has no other choice. Maybe Lazio should endorse him.

Posted by: Lazio | February 16, 2008, 5:15 pm 5:15 pm

Does anyone know why obama’s hands are smaller than the rest of his body? Is this some form of genetic abnormality, or what? Also, what makes his lips appear blue?

Posted by: Get America Back on Track | February 16, 2008, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm

“Seriously, Senator Hillary Clinton is a woman running for president. Not some emotional menopausal diva popping pills because she’s depressed she broke a nail.”"
She isn’t? She’s caniving! Those tears were no more heartfelt than the man in the moon. She’s a human who will do anything to gain the nomination. But it ain’t workin — she’ll come up with more negatives and folks will finally get tired of that too.
I’m female, 60, and I would have to say the same things about her…go try to find something else to put in the media! This isn’t workin.

Posted by: Cathi | February 16, 2008, 5:18 pm 5:18 pm

That no good black bastard! How dare he be so sexist towards Hillary!

Posted by: TheGrimReaper | February 16, 2008, 5:19 pm 5:19 pm

I say Sen. Obama is using code words. So is Mrs. Clinton.
I just called Mr. Obama “Sen.” and Sen. Clinton “Mrs.”.
I also say bring on the naughty code words and all the heavy artillery that you got! This is war, people, not a poetry competition.
Let’s hear some Churchillian fusilades. Out with the laundry list about national malaise. In with the battle of big-picture ideas!

Posted by: piktor | February 16, 2008, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm

Sorry to disappoint you guys, but I’m not that worried about it. Like the rest of America, I will be voting the ABC ticket (Anyone But Clinton). They will NEVER make it to Pennsylvania Ave. She’ll just have to go home and cry to her constiuents in NY. Better yet, New Hampshire. They seem especially sensitive there. Feminist??? HA!

Posted by: SkeptiK | February 16, 2008, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm

Please, fellow bloggers, I would like an answer to my serious questions….

Posted by: Get America Back on Track | February 16, 2008, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm

Now where’s all the drama such as when the Obama camp tried to call Bill and Hillary “racists”? I guess it’s only worth mentioning in the media when it’s convenient. If Hillary wins, that will be REAL change – finally a woman. If Obama wins – it’ll just be a black MAN instead – hardly a change other than skin color.\

Posted by: TheGrimReaper | February 16, 2008, 5:21 pm 5:21 pm

Is the author seriously implying that the word “periodically,” when used by Obama, has a connotation of a menstrual cycle? Is that really how hard this reporter is digging for an angle? Is that really how full of crap the media has become in trying to paint Obama and trying to come up with a negative angle to play? Whether or not it is the intent, this article will now be sent all over the Internet by hysterical Hillary sock puppets as “proof” of the “evil” that is Barack Obama. Man, it must suck to run against a candidate such as Obama who is devoid of any dirt. But Hillary and her sock puppets will keep on trying to get him into the gutter with them…well, keep trying. Onama will continue to kick your arses in state after state.

Posted by: Chuckles | February 16, 2008, 5:21 pm 5:21 pm

TheGrimReaper: You know, I am NOT an obama fan, but YOU are evil…..that is un-called for, with regard to ANYONE….

Posted by: Get America Back on Track | February 16, 2008, 5:22 pm 5:22 pm

this is the most frustrating news article i’ve read in a really long time. unless you completely misconstrue the words and intentions of barack obama, or are, i dunno, a raging Clinton supporter, no rationally minded person could possible interpret what Sen. Obama said as being sexist. that goes so far beyond ridiculous, that i almost question why i respond to this kind of b.s.

Posted by: joel | February 16, 2008, 5:24 pm 5:24 pm

I think y’all are over-playing your hand. You might make a little temporary traction with these silly deconstructions of casual language, but in the long run it’ll backfire. Most Americans — men and women alike — are pretty eager to move beyond the culture wars. They get fed up when they see accusations of “coded language” smearing perfectly decent public servants.

Posted by: Pete | February 16, 2008, 5:24 pm 5:24 pm

Obama didn’t read the most important chapter in the BIG BOOK OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY HIERARCHY, which says,(1) White men (2) White women (3) Latinos (4) Asians (5)
ANYONE ELSE…Then Black people.
Barack…after 60 years you of all people should know how this works. If not, ask Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, etc..etc..etc…

Posted by: mike | February 16, 2008, 5:25 pm 5:25 pm

Why is everyone suprised by this type language. Afterall, just watch MSNBC’s “Hardball” “Tucker” and “Morning Joe.” Sexist comments are the norm on these shows and rarely, if at all, will any female panel member offer any disagreement, correction, or complaint.
So, Senator Obama and his wife feel no need to be “gender sensitive” when commenting about Senator Clinton. Putting Ms. Clinton in “her place” is common pratice in the media and Obama is indeed a card-carrying member of the media’s “I-Love-You, Obama” society.
Any person with an iota of insight knows Mr Obama was referring to that time of month when women have their menstrual cycle and according to wise men, like Mr. Obama, act irrationally. Smart and intelligent men, like Mr Obama, tell their “dirty little jokes;” make their “obscene gestures; and, defy anyone to chastise them. These men have no real respect for women.
Maybe it’s psychological: father leaves mother and child; mother struggles as a single parent until another man comes along; the mother and child follows the new man (husband/step-father) to a foreign country. The mother and child are forced to become emersed in a different lifestype and culture. The mother, who is an athiest, must watch her son engage in different religions (Islam and Catholicism that we know of).
Then to see all the male and female figures in his life: father, step-father, and grandfather pass away; leaving him with no physical proof of his being.
All of this can have a permanent impression on anyone; but, especially a young male who is already struggling with racial and ethnic identities.
One does not have to be a fortune teller to know what would have happened at MSNBC if someone on the MSNBC staff had used the word “pimp” in the same breath while referring to a member of Senator Obama’s family. Picket lines, demonstrations, fist-fights, etc would have occured, with the president of NBC having to make a live, primetime apology on television.

Posted by: Percy | February 16, 2008, 5:25 pm 5:25 pm

you have to be kidding me. While you guy are looking for code words people are dying of starvation and poverty. But that’s not the story, stories like this, or the latest baby miracle or something else stupid predominates DO YOUR DAMN JOB or quit already.

Posted by: doyourjob | February 16, 2008, 5:26 pm 5:26 pm

Joel, please see my post of 4:45:44.
And, why has no one answered me about why obama’s hands are so small in relation to the rest of his body? And why do his lips appear blue? Is it the mixture of his culture that makes his lips blue? Seriously, I want to know. Does anyone have an answer?

Posted by: Get America Back on Track | February 16, 2008, 5:27 pm 5:27 pm

You have got to be kidding!
Talk about grasping at straws.
I think he wanted to saw the “knives come out” but toned it down. Knives would be more accurate.
The Clints have repeatedly slandered and smeared Obama with talk of “kid” and “fairy tale”. I think he is right to hit back at the sleazemongers.

Posted by: joan | February 16, 2008, 5:27 pm 5:27 pm

Are you kidding me. As a woman, I am offended that people would think that “periodically” referred to one’s menstrual cycle. I’ve heard the term “claws come out” used in reference to men before–quite often–in reference to a nasty fight. And after actually hearing how Sen. Obama said “when she’s feeling…down” it didn’t seem to me that he was referring to her mental state so much as he campaign being behind. But I guess the media has to find any way to attack Sen. Obama because he doesn’t give them enough juicy news…

Posted by: bl | February 16, 2008, 5:28 pm 5:28 pm

Don’t let yourself be manipulated and deceived by Bush-Clinton politics.
The politics of division are not going to work this time.

Posted by: Matt | February 16, 2008, 5:28 pm 5:28 pm

This article has no merit whatsoever. To say that his choice of words are sexist is a huge stretch. Obama would actually be the least likely person to be sexist given how he grew up with a single Mom and has such a strong capable wife. This is pure nonsense. It sounds more like MSNBC trying trying to get back in her good graces. Sad

Posted by: Slapnpop | February 16, 2008, 5:30 pm 5:30 pm

Obama has no respect for any woman, not even his dead mother who he used to try and gain politically when talking about her cancer in conjunction with his medicare plan (or lack thereof).

Posted by: LoneStar | February 16, 2008, 5:31 pm 5:31 pm

I can see in my daughter and her friends the feminist movement as we knew it (I am over 50) no longer exists – they don’t want what we wanted and maybe that’s because many barriers wer broken by the women of my generation
That being said I find this language issue “absurd” — if anything Hillary does the feminist movement a disservice relying on her husbands record and rhetoric to make her case –
Sen CLinton made her choice after law school and moved to Arkansas to become the First Lady etc — many other women made other choices at that juncture of their lives –
I don’t get the argument to vote for Hillary because she is a woman – anymore than the argument to vote for Barack because he is black
Some say Hillary voted for the war to prove her “chops” as a potential commander in chief — (Barbara Boxer must be more secure in her feminity as she voted against the Iraq war resolution)
This constant morphing of Sen Clinton is reason ebough for this woman voter to be leary of what else Hillary Clinton thinks she has to prove

Posted by: barbara | February 16, 2008, 5:31 pm 5:31 pm

REACHING……….

Posted by: Ultramagnetic | February 16, 2008, 5:31 pm 5:31 pm

Let’s get over this BS… Lots of animals have claws: Bears, Lions, Tigers, Birds… “Down” is a layperson’s description of feeling depressed or “blue” … neither is a strictly feminine trait. Ask Mike Wallace if he’s ever felt “down”. Hillary could also be down in the number os states won, pledged delegate count, raw vote total, down in the polls, down in the mouth, down in the dumps, down and out, down and dirty, ready for a knock down drag out fight, willing to fight tooth and nail (claw),
You all are pretty sorry when it comes to ginning up a story line that doesn’t exist. Shame on you all.

Posted by: Jade7243 | February 16, 2008, 5:37 pm 5:37 pm

I find Obama to be sexist. I find these remarks worse than any that the Clintons made.

Posted by: Jeanne | February 16, 2008, 5:38 pm 5:38 pm

Well, Blake, you are not as astute as you think uou are……I am sorry to inform you, but Barak Obama is not “Black”……he has a white mother and a Kenyan father—–that makes him “mulatto”, or 1/2 black, 1/2 white.
You allso mis-read my question: I asked: “why are obama’s hands small IN RELATION TO THE REST OF HIS LONG, LANKY BODY?” (in PROPORTION to the rest of his body, the question asks).
I am not a bigot. I actually love black people. I am a bus driver that busses all black children to a white school from the south end of our city. I have even put up a picture of obama on the bus because obama is all of these Black children’s idol and hero. I never tell them that I am for Hillary—-they are too young to debate or understand politics, too young to understand that there are other things to consider when voting for President than being just the same color as the candidate……yet, who am I to deny them their hero? Until they are old enough to debate with me about all of the other things that are important in choosing a Presidential candidate……

Posted by: Get America Back on Track | February 16, 2008, 5:39 pm 5:39 pm

This entire article is LUDICROUS! The fact is that Hillary is LOSING this race and whenever she starts losing she goes on the attack.
Norah O’Donnell and Andrea Mitchell are Republicans quaking in their boots at the prospect of facing Obama!

Posted by: marsha carlson | February 16, 2008, 5:39 pm 5:39 pm

You can’t be serious? Give me a break!

Posted by: Sharon | February 16, 2008, 5:39 pm 5:39 pm

Are you all really serious about wasting ink for this kind of thing? I’m ashamed of you. There are much more important issues to discuss/cover than this. Wow, how absolutely petty and small of you all. Both Barack and Hillary didn’t think twice about this. Spare me. Search hard for something to be devisive…. sorry.

Posted by: Maiysha | February 16, 2008, 5:40 pm 5:40 pm

This is just story about NOTHING. When I read this kind of junk coming from ABC, I am reminded that this is the network that ran the “Path to 9/11.” They have lost all credibility.

Posted by: xargaw | February 16, 2008, 5:42 pm 5:42 pm

as a black woman, when I hear white women of privilege saying that we have to vote for Hillary because it’s “our turn” it really pisses me off.
Like white women suffer so much more oppression than black men. What entitlement.
Give me a break. Gloria Steinem be dammned!
I work for white women and I have never had a black male boss. The group that has most benefited from Affirmative Action have been White Women, not black people.
Black and brown women have always been UNDER white women and white men. White women have been oppressors too!
Then I hear them say that they won’t vote for Barack if they don’t get their way, and we don’t “give” them a (white) woman president. What spoiled crybabies.
This is a democracy. No one has to “give” you anything.
I guess they’d be happier losing their reproductive rights under John McCain, or having torture be legal, or sending other people’s children to fight in Iraq.
I’m sorry. I know that this isn’t all white women, but I do hear such entitlement, especially from some of the well-to-do Hillary supporters that it makes me angry.
Thanks for listening. I feel better now.

Posted by: afrogal | February 16, 2008, 5:43 pm 5:43 pm

Maryann: You are right, “refusing to be silenced” is not the same as “playing the victim”.
Too bad the Hillary camp is being blatant about the latter.
Every single criticism or even a request for clarification is met with “y’all are just picking on me because I’m a woman” or “that mean Obama *refused to shake my hand* he must be a rude pig!” Everything Obama says about his opponent is somehow spun as “sexist.”
It’s as if the Clinton campaign has decided, “hey, that racist crap that Bill spewed in SC seemed to help Obama’s campaign, let’s pretend that Hillary is suffering defeats only because Obama and all the voters are sexists, and we’ll see if we do better in the polls because of it!”

Posted by: Sandra | February 16, 2008, 5:44 pm 5:44 pm

Wow, listen to all the false outrage from the Obamabots. How DARE ABC News slime the godhead? How DARE they?!

Posted by: doyenne49 | February 16, 2008, 5:44 pm 5:44 pm

The comments to seem to have a subliminally sexist current, whether calculated, unconscious, or just plain random on Mr. Obama’s part. Not anything egregious, but still there. I don’t see anything wrong with any columnist or blogger parsing any candidate’s language and putting out his or her perceptions, for whatever the reader wants to take away as long as the quote is accurate and in context.

Posted by: justannesopinion | February 16, 2008, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm

You people are missing the point of obama saying that “Hillary was “down”"……you are reading sex into that word down……obama actually refers to “Hillary is down” as, she is a too-sensitive female akin to Freud’s description of women being “hysterical”/too emotional.
It is wrong to use this discription about Hillary. It implies that she is “too emotional and not able to use logic like a “man” could”—-give me a MAJOR break……

Posted by: Get America Back on Track | February 16, 2008, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm

“Witch” is not a sexist word, it defines something. Do you think Barack is as sexist as Bill Clinton?

Posted by: chaospress | February 16, 2008, 5:46 pm 5:46 pm

But they have a point – there’s no way Obama would have said those things about Edwards or McCain.

Posted by: Jeff | February 16, 2008, 5:46 pm 5:46 pm

It’s “code” all right and not at all subtle.
I haven’t chosen a candidate yet but this did NOT move me in Obama’s direction.
I’d have slapped my husbands head about half off if he had used that kind of terminology in relationship to me.

Posted by: enough | February 16, 2008, 5:47 pm 5:47 pm

Ridiculous – the Clinton’s (mainly Bill’s) comments that were made back during the SC primary had a clear racial context, these Obama comments have no context at all and should not be over analyzed. I mean really, “periodically?” You’ve just got to be joking with that, right?
At no point has Barack Obama made gender an issue in this campaign, unlike the Clinton’s who have made frequent reference to race.

Posted by: Brian S. | February 16, 2008, 5:47 pm 5:47 pm

I’m feeling really down right now because the corporate owned media devotes so much attention to useless crap like this.

Posted by: bdbd | February 16, 2008, 5:48 pm 5:48 pm

Huh?! Wha!? Mrs. Clinton IS down. Down in delegates and down in popular vote. She IS launching attacks. How is this not merely an observation of the facts? How on earth does this demonstrate a gender bias?!!

Posted by: francis | February 16, 2008, 5:48 pm 5:48 pm

Of course Obama would never have said those things about a male candidate. Because he takes male candidates seriously. He would never say that McCain was “feeling down” and so had gotten “his claws out.” That’s just obvious–though not to the Obamabots, who are in an epic spasm of world-class denial here.

Posted by: doyenne49 | February 16, 2008, 5:48 pm 5:48 pm

Being offended by these comments seems to be stretching it a touch, but for the sake of argument how will HRC react when she comes up against true sexists world leaders that don’t really care if she blows the gender horn.
If this is what we have to look for for the next 4-8 years count me out.

Posted by: Elbie | February 16, 2008, 5:50 pm 5:50 pm

His comments are being waaaay blown put of proportion on this blog. I’m a white woman and I don’t find anything offensive about what he said. He stated his opinion, which I agree with, and he’s being attacked for his accurate portrayal of her politicking ways.

Posted by: Monica | February 16, 2008, 5:50 pm 5:50 pm

Are you serious?!? “Feeling down” is only something women do? Attack is only something women do? Only women have claws? Periodically is somehow a misogynistic word now?
This whole story is ludicrous, and I’m supporting Hillary.
One more thing, please don’t ever quote Taylor Marsh. She has such a long history of lies and misrepresentations, she is a stain on the Hillary campaign on quoting her only cuts into ABC’s credibility

Posted by: Samantha | February 16, 2008, 5:51 pm 5:51 pm

Don’t let yourself be deceived by Bush-Clinton politics.
The politics of division are not going to work this time, regardless of whatever slimeball tactics Jake Trapper, ABC News, and Disney decide to use.
Senator Obama is right. Challenging the status quo causes its defenders to launch personal attacks.

Posted by: Matt | February 16, 2008, 5:54 pm 5:54 pm

Come on, would Obama ever say about John McCain or any male political opponent, “Oh whenever he’s feeling down, his claws come out”?
Let’s get real. He was talking about Hillary as a woman, which makes his remarks sexist. But we women aren’t upset because of that. It’s the flood of sexism from the media and Obama supporters.. and it’s about time some women reporters grew a set and spoke up.

Posted by: MJJ | February 16, 2008, 5:55 pm 5:55 pm

Obama clearly has an issue with women. It’s sad.

Posted by: doyenne49 | February 16, 2008, 5:57 pm 5:57 pm

Yes, Sen. Obama’s language has a degrading and demeaning tone, and invokes certain images–”period”–for one, which of course, plays to certain gender stereotypes about women becoming overly emotional at certain times of the month. It’s possibly a new tactic by Obama to appeal to working class white males–a strong constituency of Sen. Clinton. If he can appeal to the male narrative about women, perhaps he can siphon off some of Clinton’s voters. Subtle, but, as a very smart man once said, “words have meaning.”
Sen. Obama’s comment is offensive to me as a woman, with a graduate level education in psychology, and an undergraduate degree in communications, and a long-time observer of language.
I think it’s pretty clear to most professional women, that this kind of language is demeaning, degrading and dismissive of women–”periodically” women get “down” and they try to “boost” their “appeal”:
It’s the implication that women are subject to emotions and aren’t capable of controlling them.
Deborah Tannen, the linguist professor and author, would likely have some interesting comments on this. Why don’t you interview her, Jake?

Posted by: Brighid | February 16, 2008, 5:59 pm 5:59 pm

GRASPING AT STRAWS

Posted by: Alicia | February 16, 2008, 5:59 pm 5:59 pm

Just the fact that ABC NEWS had the balls to print a story such as this is remarkable, to allow people to debate it, and for some others, to show how stupid and “small thinking” they are…..
This kind of conversation is LONG overdue to discuss…..thank you, ABC News!!!!!!

Posted by: Hillary for President '08 | February 16, 2008, 6:00 pm 6:00 pm

After this comment, I’ll go ahead and add Andrea Mitchell into the now ever-growing list of MSNBC political correspondents who have absolutely no credibility in my mind. It’s one thing to be pro-Clinton, but I think it is ethically reprehensible to perpetuate those views through these sort of malicious defamatory stories. Are you kidding me? Not only is the interpretation of the quote a stretch, but am I the only person who thinks it’s misogynistic of Mitchell/O’Donnell to suggest that the word “down” is associated with a (depressed) woman anyway? It seems to me that the most obvious interpretation of that statement refers to Senator Clinton being “down in the polls/race” rather than being depressed/menopausal. I’d rather watch Fox News than MSNBC, at least I know where Hannity and Colmes are coming from!

Posted by: Michelle H. | February 16, 2008, 6:00 pm 6:00 pm

Obama will do anything to get elected and he will say anything to put down Hillary because she is a woman.
For too long, women have been second class citizens in this country. Every woman knows that all of the “opportunities” and all the doors to “opportunities” have been held open and slammed shut by men in power.
“Claws come out?” Obama is just like all the rest.

Posted by: PoliticalPuck | February 16, 2008, 6:00 pm 6:00 pm

Obama has gotten such overwhelmingly good press because of his electoral successes, some in the press are now trying to find something — ANYTHING — negative to report about Obama. First it was that Obama was creating a cult. Now it’s this garbage. Note to the MSM: being truly fair and balanced doesn’t require you to find a negative story where none exists.

Posted by: Spike3905 | February 16, 2008, 6:00 pm 6:00 pm

I hope this is a joke. Next time Clinton refers to any color I’ll take that as racist language. I periodically feel down and I’m a man. Typical Clinton bias.

Posted by: wroberts | February 16, 2008, 6:03 pm 6:03 pm

Why am I never surprise when something this is written by this reporter….
Bottom-Line
• You are giving women like me a bad name….If your feelings get hurt now, what’s going to become of them when the republicans get a hold of Hillary Clinton in the general election …..
You can’t have it both ways….You can’t say in one breath that Hillary will be the strongest person to lead America in a better direction…..And in the next breath cry because someone hurts her feelings…..Playing the victim is not a good asset when you are trying to be the leader of this great country…….
The reason she is struggling is because she thought she could manipulate all women into voting for her…And many of us were too intelligent to fall for it……
Another reason she is struggling is because the same reason I just listed above….By trying to gather up all the support of the women, she began to alienate men by playing the woman card…..
Your candidate has ran her campaign poorly from the very beginning…..She ran it with pure arrogance…..She got caught-up in the Selective Clinton Nostalgic Memories of the past and therefore was not ready for her opponent…..And you want this women to be Americas next leader….
As she was incompetent in running her own campaign…..She would be just as incompetent as President of the United State of America…because the bottom line is….she is just not prepared….not on day one or the day after……

Posted by: justwaitandsee | February 16, 2008, 6:04 pm 6:04 pm

Hillary Clinton supporters act like such babies its funny to think that you are actually the older generation. When things started going bad you guys went completely unhinged. This election is NOT a social statement. Vote for who can do the best job in your mind. If your candidate loses genuinely then you should accept it and support the other candidate. Stop all of the divisive politics we are all democrats and our candidates positions are very similar. But for many of you its simply a vote for someones sexual reproductive organs. Very sad indeed. If your gonna lose or if your gonna win do it with some class, dont divide our party. We all just went through 8 years of hell we dont need 8 more.

Posted by: Lanky | February 16, 2008, 6:05 pm 6:05 pm

I’d rather be confused by the Bush-Clinton politics then the Obama-Guevara state of mind that Obama supports are encouraging in Texas.

Posted by: Chris | February 16, 2008, 6:05 pm 6:05 pm

Only in the strange twisted verbal world of the Clintonians, where you have to parse what the meaning of “is” is, would the phrase be labelled sexist. It just means “no more Ms. Nicegal” without any sexist suggestions whatsover. For whatever it’s worth, when I think of claws coming out in the real world, I think of lions and tigers and bears–animals I think of as masculine

Posted by: Phrank | February 16, 2008, 6:07 pm 6:07 pm

Real journalism at ABC died with Peter Jennings.

Posted by: Ray Love | February 16, 2008, 6:07 pm 6:07 pm

This is insanity! Typical media sensationalism.
It’s true, whenever Hillary is losing she turns negative and desperate. It’s a fact. Look at the last six months.
Obama was the nicest fellow according to Hillary when he was 20% down in national polls.
ABC News please stop promoting stupid sensationalism.

Posted by: S.W.A | February 16, 2008, 6:07 pm 6:07 pm

Clinton surrogates and supporters spend all their time trying to find flaws in Obama. They spend their hours dissecting his words and try to find malice even when there is none. What has Hillary done to her own people?

Posted by: S.W.A | February 16, 2008, 6:09 pm 6:09 pm

Surprised at the women posting here that they find nothing sexist or discounting in “the claws” or “when she’s feeling down”.
Do they find anything discounting about Obama having Michelle check in with him before they were married or accepted a job?

Posted by: RealityCheck9 | February 16, 2008, 6:09 pm 6:09 pm

Good grief, are we really discussing who said what about whom and who’s using “coded language” or not? With all of the truly scary challenges facing this nation, not to mention the prospect of John McCain in the White House, I would think we Democrats would have better things to focus on. If this keeps up, we deserve to lose the election to another lunatic.

Posted by: Jenna | February 16, 2008, 6:09 pm 6:09 pm

feeling down- meaning when the Clinton is behind aka down in the polls, popular vote count or delegate count.
claws come out– is a reference to an animal, such as my cat, not a woman.

Posted by: Jean | February 16, 2008, 6:09 pm 6:09 pm

I do think “claws” is at least vaguely sexist. I have heard other things like this from Obama that have given me pause.
Worst case scenario: It’s dog-whistle politics that appeals to misogyny. This will get more obvious (because it is not at all now) and then it will definitely make me mad. Result: I will have to hold my nose if I am lucky enough to have a chance to vote for him and not Hillary in the general.
Best case scenario: Although he has the right POLICY stand on basic equality and reproductive rights, Obama is still unintentionally, vaguely sexist–just like a lot of otherwise nice, smart (in the sense of having good judgment) and capable men.
How either scenario could possibly be an argument to vote for Hillary, who has, since we first “met” her in 1992, continually shown herself to have none these three attributes , I do not know.

Posted by: gloryoski | February 16, 2008, 6:10 pm 6:10 pm

Nice try! keep em’ coming LOL “sexist” LOL

Posted by: Mike | February 16, 2008, 6:11 pm 6:11 pm

Lanky,
Back at ya—–when your candidate loses, take it with grace and support Hillary.
HEY, all you TEXANS that are going to vote soon!!!! I just heard Bill Clinton speaking on CNN, and he said that when you vote there in Texas, Texans, vote EARLY in the day, and keep a RECEIPT of your VOTE, and then you LEGALLY have a right to VOTE AGAIN—vote in the evening, too!! This is because of the way that Texas votes…. GO, HILLARY—–the Democratic Presidential Candidate who will beat McCain with one hand!!!!!

Posted by: Hillary for President '08 | February 16, 2008, 6:12 pm 6:12 pm

Dinosaurs have claws.
Clintons are political dinosaurs on the brink of extinction. The sooner their sock puppets take to cope with this fact, the better they’ll be able to get over their denial of her losing.

Posted by: S.W.A | February 16, 2008, 6:12 pm 6:12 pm

SEXIST
Following the last debate, there was some mention of the fact that Obama helped Hillary out of her chair. (I also saw him help her INTO her seat.) Even that was turned into a positive by the media.
I didn’t hear anyone say the act was sexist or inappropriate. IT WAS!
It was calculated and intended to convey that Hillary is of the weaker sex and, therefore, needs to have a big, strong man help her get in and out of a chair.
No one called him on it, yet the Clintons were accused of playing the race cards for weeks.
Some will argue that he was just being a gentleman – chivalrous – but it was inappropriate in this scenario – and in all scenarios, as far as I am concerned. An able-bodied woman does not need help from a man when sitting down or standing up! In the Senate, does Senator Obama rush around and help his female colleagues whenever they sit down or stand up?

Posted by: Jadev | February 16, 2008, 6:13 pm 6:13 pm

Seriously? THIS is what we’re talking about? “Periodically” is a “woman’s” word, and a sexist one at that? “Feeling down” is sexist? I’m a woman, a feminist, and I’m embarrassed for Andrea Mitchell and Nora O’Donnell. First, it’s just a ridiculous, petty thing to comment on. Second, what in Senator Obama’s professional or personal life makes either newscaster feel that he would for any reason make sexist remarks about anyone? Give me a break. Let’s get to real news.

Posted by: Kerry | February 16, 2008, 6:13 pm 6:13 pm

actually, Obama was being gallant. Instead of saying, “when she IS down,” which she is, he said, “when she’s FEELING down,” so as not to appear boastful about his own 8-state winning run. I’m an old feminist & I don’t think Obama was referring to Hillary’s PMS or apparent hysteria (another anti-feminist term). however, his adding “periodically,” even though factually accurate, does seem like a Freudian slip.

Posted by: marie burns | February 16, 2008, 6:14 pm 6:14 pm

If Sen. Hillary Clinton said that Sen. Obama had been “low down” in his attacks, would that be racist? Or would Obama supporters be saying it was fine.
Just sayin’…..
laughably yours….

Posted by: Brighid | February 16, 2008, 6:16 pm 6:16 pm

You Obamaramalamadingdongs don’t get it. It’s over. You don’t get to say anything you want anymore and count on a complicit news media.
But I fear it’s only because they’re bracing for the upcoming scandal, which by the way I give no credence, and are only rats deserting the sinking ship.
Hollow victory.

Posted by: MJJ | February 16, 2008, 6:18 pm 6:18 pm

I think this is a load of crap.
So there you go.

Posted by: Xanthippas | February 16, 2008, 6:18 pm 6:18 pm

OBVIOUSLY, YES Obama is and has been using sexist language. It’s only idiots in the mainstream media who are somehow unable or unwilling to investigate it or call him on it!!! Yet everyone was eager to pounce on Bill Clinton for using language that was deemed racially insensitive. You in the media hate Hillary Clinton and are bending over backwards to make Obama the nominee. We’ll see if anything changes going forward. Obama is as much of a sexist as any American male. Period.

Posted by: christopher | February 16, 2008, 6:19 pm 6:19 pm

Funny when it is Obama’s words being questionned, it is the same old this is nothing important, don’t be so picky, don’t you have better things to write about….and on and on.
When it is Clinton’s words being questionned, the Obama supporters want blood from her and then all the sexism comes to the front. It is getting to be a turnoff that Obama supporters feel their candidate is almost godlike who can do no wrong. It is getting to the point that his supporters are putting me off even considering this candidate seriously.

Posted by: letmebe | February 16, 2008, 6:19 pm 6:19 pm

His speechwriters very intentionally used this language. It’s no accident and so very subliminal.
Obama’s speeches are always like this. They get the crowd in a Oprah frenzy but no substance.

Posted by: janet | February 16, 2008, 6:21 pm 6:21 pm

Have looked at comments,
banal, this is silly. I am 59, a woman executive, been in a man’s world forever, not easy, but I would never interpret these comments the way the Hillary camp does. Andrea Mitchell please get over it, this is beneath you as a real discussion.
I for one think Barack is great. This a . in the political debate in this election.

Posted by: Kathie | February 16, 2008, 6:24 pm 6:24 pm

Marie Burns — Nice analysis. I’ve noticed several times when Obama has, to my eyes, clearly attempted to be sensitive, gallant, etc, he gets reamed. Like his “You’re likable enough Hillary” — a very nice balance that avoided patronization, using a light sense of humor, treating her like an equal sparring partner who didn’t need some guy protecting her…. And then when he was accused of being sexist and asked if he regretted the remark, was he defensive and self-pitying? He simply said, yes, he regretted it because it obviously did not come across the way he intended. Very classy.
It’s pretty clear to me a lot of people just don’t want to admit what a jewel of a fellow he is.

Posted by: Pete | February 16, 2008, 6:26 pm 6:26 pm

At 60, isn’t Hillary well into menopause by now? What on earth does “periodically” have to do with her? This is truly silly thinking on the part of Andrea Mitchell and Norah O’Donnell.

Posted by: Feminist | February 16, 2008, 6:28 pm 6:28 pm

It’s funny, now that the media is finally doing it’s job on Barack Obama, his followers can’t take the heat. I am a sports fan, and have noticed how often, Obama panders to the male race in his “this must be March Madness”, and “just like the NY Giants, we are the underdogs.” Sexism is far more subtle than racism. What about his wife’s comments “how can she take care of the White House, when she can’t take care of her own house.” What a ridiculous statment. It takes women back 50 years. It’s the kind of show that Oprah might have hosted… oh, that was before… The race issue was not fostered by the Clintons, it was fostered by Obama’s campaign. Stop hiding behind your sexism, racism, your wife, and Oprah. You have provided very few solutions for our many problems. Hillary is a far stronger candidate. Sounds to me like a lot of men still don’t get it. If you can’t stand the heat-get out of the kitchen, or the race. This little comment by the media, is nothing compared to what the Republicans would do with Obama. Wake-up Obama supporters.

Posted by: Anne Marie | February 16, 2008, 6:28 pm 6:28 pm

Somebody tell me the last time you ever heard a man use the term “claws come out” when referring to another man.
GFL.

Posted by: Geno | February 16, 2008, 6:32 pm 6:32 pm

Apparently, it’s ok to be sexist…especially when a bunch of white men are controlling the media. The fact that Obama is Black helps them disguise their sexism all the more. They get to look honorable, as they moon over this Black candidate, while they beat the hell out of her!

Posted by: Christine | February 16, 2008, 6:34 pm 6:34 pm

Oh, Anton…your claws are coming out.
You silly boy.

Posted by: Geno | February 16, 2008, 6:34 pm 6:34 pm

Honestly how can people view these figures of speech as conciously thought out attempts to undermine Hillary? Her supporters will grasp on to anything. I can’t figure out why people are qualifying her as an epitome of feminism. Didn’t her 50 year old husband get caught with a 20-something year old and not divorce him? There’s been plenty of other female candidates who are alot more independent and better spoken then her. Its funny how no one really tries to grasp on to actual issues in this race, only verbatim. If you did Kucinich would still be in the race or would’ve won the nomination. Clinton and obama are just good at playing the margins and the masses who gleefully consume the media witout objectively scrutinizng it.

Posted by: dubbzz | February 16, 2008, 6:35 pm 6:35 pm

Pundits and others with less at stake than Barack Obama have noticed these things about Hillary, so it is beyond me why there’s so much “analysis” going on about this — slow news day, I guess!
Depending which side one is on, one can oover or underanalyze anything. It is very simple that Hillary (and Bill) does tend to attack when down — and their claws do come out! Sexist? Ohno, just a valid observation.

Posted by: Jackt51 | February 16, 2008, 6:38 pm 6:38 pm

I think she should get back in the kitchen.

Posted by: jeff | February 16, 2008, 6:38 pm 6:38 pm

looks like the mainstream media has gotten a new set of talking points from the Hilary Campaign titled “Obama as a sexist”

Posted by: Pat | February 16, 2008, 6:38 pm 6:38 pm

This is so beyond pathetic. Show me one women’s issue that Clinton is better on the Obama. The fact that Clinton is a woman doesn’t make her better for women. Is Rice the best thing to happen to women and African-Americans since she holds the highest office a black woman has held in this country? Clinton doesn’t use feminist language and never has. She held a posistion on Walmart’s board and didn’t do anything to help the workers who wanted to organize unions. Mysterioulsy this time on Walmart’s board isn’t discussed on her campaign bio. Bill Clinton tries to dismiss Obama’s win in South Carolina by saying Jesse Jackson had won the same state, but Obama’s the one crossing the line? I am constantly amazed by the soft hands used by the media when it comes to Clintons ********.

Posted by: Keith | February 16, 2008, 6:39 pm 6:39 pm

this is the most pathetic desperate attempt by ABC and NBC to try to make some controversy out of nothing….i just lost complete respect for both organizations spreading this kind of BS..i will no longer tune into either of their networks..they are low-class and pathetic

Posted by: notanidiot | February 16, 2008, 6:41 pm 6:41 pm

Oh give me a break… move along, nothing to see here…

Posted by: asus | February 16, 2008, 6:44 pm 6:44 pm

It is patently obvious Obama and his wite are using carefully tested words/phrases to evoke negative reactions
Obama – You’re likeable “enough” Hillary
Obama – When you are feeling down
Michelle Obama – I can’t “disect” him, when speaking about Bill Clinton. An obvious reference to his past troubles. The same word was used by journalists at the time to describe how Bill was being reckless.
Michelle Obama – If she can’t keep her own house in order then how can she keep the white house in order.
These two are the CREEPIEST political couple in a long time. So much so I’m starting to think highly of Dick and Lynn Cheney!!

Posted by: Mahesh | February 16, 2008, 6:44 pm 6:44 pm

When he said, “…when she is down”, I heard it as a reference to down in the polls, not down in the dumps. Either way, being down is not exclusive to women, however you look at it.
There are far more important issues to be addressed here. Let’s elevate the discussion.

Posted by: SB | February 16, 2008, 6:49 pm 6:49 pm

Actually Jane there is a male America and a female America. The patriarchy still rules. If women hadn’t been will to stand up to the misogyny in the early 1900′s we also would not have the right to vote. The attempts to silence those brave women didn’t work and neither will these attempts.
Posted by: MaryAnn | Feb 16, 2008 3:56:08 PM
While it was clearly a good thing that women won the right to vote, we should also understand that those women who won were exclusively ‘white.’ The Southern bloc of men agreed to vote in the affirmative only if these early women pioneers agreed not to attempt to use their newfound vote to resist Jim Crow and segregation. These women agreed and the compromise was forged and they received the right to vote.
Today’s media is clearly manipulative and it assists in the dumbing down of many of its citizens who are simply too lazy to connect all of the various dots which describes our world as a complex place, not a simple one where anything can be used to assist in making useless conclusions seem right.
And to Afrogirl: your comments are spot on, but those like this author stays away from the substantive matters of the nature of ‘white women’ and their fence riding as protected minorities on the one hand, and enablers of the status quo against non-white women on the other hand. And, within the reality conflict, many white women move between their various roles as benefactors of Affirmation Action in federal contracting and trophy symbols of white males, as it suits some to do.
And as my wife, who works for a Fortune 500 firms recently told me, she encounters some of these white females each day who duck into offices or over exaggerate their bodies as if they fear it will brush against them [??] or that perhaps she will physically retaliate towards them for touching them.
And, btw I notice the same weird behavior on the part of some white females when I encounter them in the workplace or shopping areas myself. So I recognize that the fear and bias is culturally inherent in a large pool of white females, who seem to be quite unconscious that they are minorities.

Posted by: VinceinATL | February 16, 2008, 6:51 pm 6:51 pm

Nothing to see here. I was watching MSNBC when Andrea Mitchell & Norah O’donnell talked about that. I don’t see their points. If they think there is something there why they did not give us the details of what they saw in Obama language.
Let’s move on and talk about policies. That is what matters to a american people.

Posted by: tlawson | February 16, 2008, 6:52 pm 6:52 pm

OMG I can’t believe this BS!! “periodically”? yep, my husband feels “down” “periodically”. Like when his favorite sports team is on a loosing streak. Like when the stock market is down and so is his portfolio. Like when he’s had rough day at work. NOT everything is hormonal. These women have got to get over themselves!!
Signed by a 50+ white female AND liberal ……..maybe I’m not liberal enough……maybe its menopausal…..need some hormones NOW……ooops isn’t that a feminist organization……uh-oh, I think I need therapy….. ooooooh nooooo, I’m becoming one of THEM!!!

Posted by: lizzy | February 16, 2008, 6:55 pm 6:55 pm

Waaaaaagh ! c’mon sistahs ..quit buying into the VICTIM mentality that keeps womyn down…it doesn’t work anymore ..and that goes for blaming everything on race as well …let’s all grow up and stop blaming …and being so damned sensitive…Norah..great smile…Andrea great mind…now hand me the barf bag !!!

Posted by: jane | February 16, 2008, 6:58 pm 6:58 pm

Feeling down? There is no way to misinterpreted that any other way that losing. Everytime she is losing, she becomes negative. Barack did not become negative after his loses, he became more determined and focus on motivating his supporters not attacking Mrs. Clinton. Anyone who gets the thumping that she has endured would be down.
NBC and NBC are grasping at straws to create a story.

Posted by: Sharon | February 16, 2008, 6:58 pm 6:58 pm

Duh!
Hillary has been subjected to sexist remarks throughout this campaign. Let’s be frank, no one is attacking her on her medical insurance plan, but on her “emotions.” All the air time about her tears is pure sexism: afterall, no one said that George Bush should be impeached because he cried at some phot op. And by-the-way, this is an election campaign, not some ******** sports GAME. It is time to stop the sports analogies that most people in the USA don’t understand – just another way to be sexist I suspect

Posted by: Barry | February 16, 2008, 6:58 pm 6:58 pm

this is beyond belief…what is going on? parsing every word that comes out of ones mouth.
this really lowers andrea mitchell and nora odonald in my eyes.
i can not believe the depths these denizens of the deep will sink to in order to further their agenda.
it is insulting to me that they believe that we are so simple we would go for this.
marianne

Posted by: marianne | February 16, 2008, 6:58 pm 6:58 pm

Sounds like code words to me, too, Jim, especially when it’s a pattern. “periodically feeling down”? Why not just say she’s “hormonal”
straight out instead of being coy? “I like to help little old ladies across the street” as his revised biggest fault. Implying the “weaker sex” with the pulling out of her chair, and the “claws” remark, which he could have just followed with “meow” and made the gesture Alan Arkin did in Little Miss Sunshine. Michele on one side insinuating she’s not woman enough to make a home or keep a man, while Barry lays on the little coded zingers to imply she’s not tough enough to do a “man’s job”. I like Obama’s ability to stir a new hopefulness, but he’s losing this “little old lady” of 55 very quickly.

Posted by: reddirtgirl | February 16, 2008, 7:00 pm 7:00 pm

Dismissive and belittling, sure. Politics is very tough.
Sexist? Not unless you’re really reaching for a perceived slight.
BillBlue

Posted by: BillBlue | February 16, 2008, 7:01 pm 7:01 pm

More on Obama:
That’s what lack of judgements people have when they have become a “cocaine junkie”—–he probably doesn’t even remember doing that, that’s why he has not come out and said that he didn’t do it……

Posted by: Get America Back On Track | February 16, 2008, 7:04 pm 7:04 pm

I’m happy to see that finally someone is talking hillary’s side- mr obama has been getting a free ride from the press ever since he announced his candidacy. It seems that hillary is attacked from left, right and center and nobody says anything to defend her expect her husband Bill. I find this very hard to accept

Posted by: andrea benini | February 16, 2008, 7:06 pm 7:06 pm

Please. This is pathetic. It must be a slow news day for the media to reach this low. But then if it bleeds it leads. Or is that a sexist remark too?
I wish these so-called feminists like Taylor Marsh would come to their senses and realize that there are many women, like me, who won’t vote for Senator Clinton and it has NOTHING to do with her gender. It does have everything to do, however, with her Iraq vote and the way she, her husband, her surrogates and her advisers have run her campaign.

Posted by: Hilde McNeil | February 16, 2008, 7:12 pm 7:12 pm

Hey, all you Texans who still have to let America hear your voting voice: I just heard Bill Clinton giving a speech on CNN and he was telling the Pro-Hillary crowd that ALL Texans should vote early in the AM, and get a receipt of the vote they cast, then vote AGAIN in the evening, because this is LEGAL, because of the way that the voting is set up in Texas…….Texans, get out and vote Hillary !!!!!!! YAHOOOO !!!!

Posted by: Get America Back On Track | February 16, 2008, 7:12 pm 7:12 pm

GIVE ME A BREAK! If she cant handle this “insensitive” language that Obama is throwing around then she can’t handle much. They don’t have any other dirt on Obama so they are trying to bring up anything to get women all riled up. And by the way, her claws did come out when she is losing, I would have said that too and I am a female (and Hillary won’t have my vote unless she wins the nomination). The Clinton’s have proven to be more than sore losers!

Posted by: Natalie | February 16, 2008, 7:14 pm 7:14 pm

Last time I checked male animals have claws too, and they use them when they need to — cats, dogs, lions, tigers, bears — of both sexes.
As far as the other comment, I am a man, and periodically I do feel down, and show some irritation. Like when I read blog posts like this.
There is a kind of gender paranoia that is going on and it is not just about Hillary. This country is pathological about gender and sex. We need to chill out.
I don’t believe what is happening to the level of political discourse in this country. Why can’t we just discuss the issues?

Posted by: Ernie of Bayside | February 16, 2008, 7:17 pm 7:17 pm

Reddirtgirl, you don’t know ANYTHING about gay male bars, do you? ha ha ha—it could be that obama had the limo and–gay male bars have a “mixture” of wealthy and lower-socio-economic clientele…..obama probably provided the cocaine…..
This Larry Sinclaire doesn’t sound like a “nutcase” to ME—–and this kind of accusation has EVERYTHING to do with obama’s judgement, if it turns out to be true……

Posted by: Get America Back On Track | February 16, 2008, 7:18 pm 7:18 pm

Give me a break. The last person to use subliminal and demeaning language against women would be Obama. He is after all surrounded by by females. Wife and kids, and he loves them, period. Stop crying Hillary!

Posted by: Rob A Dubb | February 16, 2008, 7:22 pm 7:22 pm

As per usual, Taylor Marsh adds a word to his actual quote and changes the meaning completely. What Senator Obama said is “when she is down”… not FEELING DOWN. He is talking about when she is losing. Perhaps Andrea and Nora should listen a little more carefully.

Posted by: Sharon | February 16, 2008, 7:23 pm 7:23 pm

dave, dan, and kash, sweeties……you are all males, and you sound so distressed and frustrated and angry….

Posted by: Get America Back On Track | February 16, 2008, 7:24 pm 7:24 pm

Don’t you think Clinton supporters ought to be careful about spreading unconfirmed and unconfirmable reports about gay sex when their own candidate has been the subject of similar smears?

Posted by: Ernie | February 16, 2008, 7:26 pm 7:26 pm

Finally, someone reports on this. The Obama campaign, through it’s surrogates, made the “fairytale” comments, which were about the medias pass on challenging Barak at all into a racist statement and have dogged the Clintons on everything. Meanwhile, everyone in the Obama campaign is playing on the “Lady Macbeth” narrative about the “over ambitious woman who will say/do anything”. Clearly it’s not over ambitious to run for president after 2 years in the senate and no substantial legislation. But anyhow, they do a lot of pandering to the negative ideas that have been put on HRC because she is a strong woman.
I know that all of the koolade drinking followers of Barak will attack me now because that is what they have been doing all along. I recieve e-mails from both campaigns and only his have been negative about her. But what is his “change”? his policies, the sketchy ones he has presented- are slightly to the right of hers. He doesn’t take PAC money, but has raised more bundled money than anyone else- which is essentially PAC money post McCain/Fiengold. His speech on the war came before there were any political consequences for him for opposing it and his position weakened in the following years. Since being in the Senate, his record on the Iraq occupation has been identical to hers. So how is he going to bring about change. When he speaks are the Republicans going to hit themselves on the head and say, “you know what you were right, lets be friends”…his speeches are amazing (for rhetoric)- but they won’t change DC. Policies change DC baby, not words- look at FDR and LBJ (civil rights/great society legislation that JFK couldn’t pass)
Leon
Leon

Posted by: Leon | February 16, 2008, 7:27 pm 7:27 pm

Dan Said:
“Why dont you do a story about how Hillary continues to try to steal Obama’s camapign slogans and use them for her own”
So Barry’s has an exclusive patent on change or can do slogans. Glad to know it. Maybe you’d like to point out to Barry that using the poetry of a feminist like June Jordan without any credit, or none even to Alice Walker who borrowed it for a book title is called plagiarism. I’m referencing his use of the “we are the hope we are looking for” line from his speech that all the Obama fans and pundits just creamed their jeans over.red

Posted by: reddirtgirl | February 16, 2008, 7:29 pm 7:29 pm

Ugh. This is absolutely inane. You want to report on something with substance? This isn’t it. There’s no code, my god, how embarrassing for Nora and Andrea.
Barack’s a misogynist! Everyone who doesn’t like Hillary is! It’s just not possible that you’re trying to create a false row! Women of the world! Unite against the misogynist! Kill the (chauvinist) pig! Slash its throat.
Ugh. You people are really reaching…

Posted by: Moreau | February 16, 2008, 7:29 pm 7:29 pm

Ernie, get ready, the Republican Swiftboaters will be worse than that……if obama can’t stand the heat, he should go back to working in the kitchen…….

Posted by: Get America Back On Track | February 16, 2008, 7:30 pm 7:30 pm

Every time Sen. Clinton and her minions engage in these tactics, they only remind voters of the deception and manipulation of the Bush administration.
I can’t handle four more years of this. Please vote to bring an end to Bush-Clinton politics and Bush-McCain policies.

Posted by: Matt | February 16, 2008, 7:31 pm 7:31 pm

Dave, I don’t know a LOT about gay male bars, but the guy said “MY Limo”, okay?
Afraid I didn’t watch the whole thing. It was amusing, I just didn’t see how it figured into the discussion of how Obama’s coyly dissing Hillary in a sexist way. Sorry.

Posted by: reddirtgirl | February 16, 2008, 7:35 pm 7:35 pm

Thanks Kris.

Posted by: Michael T | February 16, 2008, 7:35 pm 7:35 pm

Please. This is pathetic. It must be a slow news day for the media to reach this low. But then if it bleeds it leads. Or is that a sexist remark too?
I wish these so-called feminists like Taylor Marsh would come to their senses and realize that there are many women, like me, who won’t vote for Senator Clinton and it has NOTHING to do with her gender. It does have everything to do, however, with her Iraq vote and the way she, her husband, her surrogates and her advisers have run her campaign.

Posted by: Hilde McNeil | February 16, 2008, 7:36 pm 7:36 pm

Reddirtgirl: go back and watch the debates—-all of them—-and see that for a fact that obama did not have a plan for America from the start. Hillary was WAY ahead from the start, and talked in detail about what her solutions were for America’s problems……then, along comes obama, who knew Hillary was winning by a BIG margin, and he starts parroting and mimicing Hillary’s plans and stealing her ideas, because he KNEW that was why she was winning…..now he sounds EXACTLY like her and tells us he has had plans all along………I challange you…….go see the previous debates between the 2 of them, where she beats him at debating every time. The big difference is, Hillary wil ACT on HER plans for America——obama just talks about Hillary’s ideas and says they’re his—–he has no idea what he will actually DO.

Posted by: Get America Back On Track | February 16, 2008, 7:37 pm 7:37 pm

What? Okay, so Hillary has been resorting to negative attack ads, and Barack Obama is criticized for mentioning it? And how can this be construed as sexist language? It is sexist for anyone to construe this as being sexist. Come on people, lets all grow up, at least a little.

Posted by: Oray | February 16, 2008, 7:38 pm 7:38 pm

“Reddirtgirl: go back and watch the debates—-all of them—-and see that for a fact that obama did not have a plan for America from the start. Hillary was WAY ahead from the start, and talked in detail about what her solutions were for America’s problems…”
I have, Get Back and I agree with you.
It was interesting to see that he didn’t have any more guts than Clinton about confronting the undue influence of the NRA when he had the chance, either, the other day. At least the Clinton’s actually acted on that before the Bush years reversed what they were able to accomplish on gun control. I’m with you on believing he ran too soon and Hillary is still my candidate.

Posted by: reddirtgirl | February 16, 2008, 7:45 pm 7:45 pm

conflate much?

Posted by: rtbwa | February 16, 2008, 7:47 pm 7:47 pm

I did a Ph.D. in Speech Communication (rhetorical theory and criticism) at Indiana University back in the late 70s. The “evidence” supplied to support the hypothesis reminds me of the “research” papers I used to get from undergraduates who came to similar conclusions based on the same kind of “insight.” As Freud said, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Posted by: ron powell | February 16, 2008, 7:48 pm 7:48 pm

Well, Hillary for..’08, it seems many here jsut want Huffpo to continue becoming little more than the Obama Fan Club site. I guess we should rejoice they still have ANY one to treat Hillary fairly to supply a pretense of balance.

Posted by: reddirtgirl | February 16, 2008, 7:49 pm 7:49 pm

I’d like to remind my fellow Hillary supporters that what we’ve been striving for all along is a fair playing field. We wanted the conversation to be one of substance, but yes, too often it did seem to disintegrate into a personal attack on our candidate.
Sure, we’ve become a little petulant lately, but that doesn’t make reciprocating in kind tolerable.
Gossip and innuendo should have no place in this discussion. We certainly don’t want to win that way.

Posted by: MJJ | February 16, 2008, 7:49 pm 7:49 pm

I am an Obama supporter. I have both voted for and donated to his campaign. I think he’s been very careful, for the most part. However, I can see how women would be upset by his use of language here. Given all the sexist joking there has been regarding Senator Clinton, her supporters are understandably sensitive.
Democrats need to be united to win in November. Both candidates need to show some respect if we are to come together in the fall.

Posted by: PE | February 16, 2008, 7:50 pm 7:50 pm

Finally media is catching up with the truth. Unfair treatment of Hillary and Bill has been going on since the Iowa caucus. The media has been afraid of facing the same fate which the “Don Imus incident” brought for Imus, therefore giving Obama a free ride.

Posted by: Firewall | February 16, 2008, 7:54 pm 7:54 pm

Does Hillary own a dress?

Posted by: David Rosenberg | February 16, 2008, 8:09 pm 8:09 pm

This is ridiculous. Obama’s language critics must be having their period or something.

Posted by: Ez | February 16, 2008, 8:11 pm 8:11 pm

ABC’s reading gender-baiting into Obama’s ordinary, innocuous language is quite a stretch. Ooops! Stretch marks! Sorry, that’s a sexist reference. My bad.

Posted by: Henriette Wayne | February 16, 2008, 8:14 pm 8:14 pm

This is probably a good wake up call for Obama. He sometimes gets trapped in PERHAPS snide acts (Telling NH debate audience that Hillary was “likeable enough” or seeming to diss Hillary at the State of the Union). Obama might be getting better press coverage because of the whinniness of the Clintons.

Posted by: David | February 16, 2008, 8:15 pm 8:15 pm

My apoligies, Reddirtgirl……

Posted by: Get America Back On Track | February 16, 2008, 8:15 pm 8:15 pm

Both comments by Obama were clearly sexist.
“Claws coming out” is a calling a woman a domesticated house cat (which is usually nice an purring, but occasionally becomes emotionally skittish, “claws come out,” and scratches you). How would it be if Hillary made a comment intimating that Obama was a monkey?

Posted by: John Britchard | February 16, 2008, 8:16 pm 8:16 pm

Sen. Clinton and her minions seem to be willing to say and do anything to get her elected. But, I’m even more concerned about Disney and ABC’s participation in these smear campaigns.

Posted by: Matt | February 16, 2008, 8:17 pm 8:17 pm

Dave Rosenburg: Does obama own a dress?
Wendy M.: …and the rest of the media is not biased toward obama? They have given him a free pass, it’s so obvious……ha ha ha ha

Posted by: Get America Back On Track | February 16, 2008, 8:19 pm 8:19 pm

Obama meant She (Hillary) is down only when she is Loosing. Thsi is simply common sense.
I cannot believe he meant PMS thing – besides, Hillary is post menopause. She hardly have any PMS moment.

Posted by: Love Bins | February 16, 2008, 8:19 pm 8:19 pm

wow, this “controversy” over obama’s remarks by the pro-hillary minions is a clear indication that the hillary campaign is on the ropes, grasping at any straw to tarnish obama’s highly favorable public perception. “quick! let’s knock him off that pedestal, let’s get him down here in the swamp!”
for those who need to do gymnastics to parse out this “covert” sexist remark from obama, i will post a truly overt sexist and crass comment from another presidential candidate for a little perspective:
“Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno.”
– Sen. John McCain, speaking to a Republican dinner, June 1998.
there you go, see the difference?
i will never vote for hrc because she is completely compromised by her corporate big money ties (e.g. wal-mart lawyer against workers’ rights), and embraces the concept that the u.s. should be mired in perpetual war as the world’s police (e.g. iraq support, iran “terrorist” vote). the bush-clinton-bush era is DONE, and just because i don’t want to see another clinton (nor bush surrogate via mccain) tacked on to this chain of america-destroying presidents doesn’t make me a misogynist. it just makes me ready for something different, and ready to play my part in getting this nation back on track.
a little perspective please people.

Posted by: perspective_please | February 16, 2008, 8:20 pm 8:20 pm

So Obama can’t say the word “periodically.”? This is the most ridiculous think I’ve ever heard. The Clinton camp must be getting desperate.

Posted by: David | February 16, 2008, 8:22 pm 8:22 pm

I firmly agree with Andrea and Nora, the words chosen are in poor taste and do reflect a sexist slant. We need to have the same standard for both…gender and race need to remain out of the comments of both as well as their supporters. Racial issues have been carefully sidestepped while the “female card” continues to played time and time again. Unless of course, someone is critizing Hillary for not being female enough. We need to focus on the candidates so that we can ensure a candidate is nominated that can get the job done..not befriend everyone, not wear dresses instead of pantsuits or worse yet, claim that OTJ training will get us where we need to be in the short time fram that we actually have to get this Country on the right track.

Posted by: marie vasbinder | February 16, 2008, 8:23 pm 8:23 pm

MJJ; You are absolutely right…..we Hillary supporters start stooping down to the obama-supporters level, and bfore you know it, geez, we’re ACTING like obama-supporters.
We DO, however, need to defend our candidate Hillary, and correct these smear-stories, else people will blindly follow obama without questioning him…..

Posted by: Get America Back On Track | February 16, 2008, 8:24 pm 8:24 pm

Sounds like desperate rubbish.

Posted by: T MB | February 16, 2008, 8:25 pm 8:25 pm

“…..tarnish obama’s highly favorable public opinion” ????? That’s SO funny!!!! Are you SERIOUS ??? It is an illusion that the media has successfully gotten you obama-supporters to buy into—-that he has “a highly favorable public opinion”……that is the funniest thing I have heard yet today……..thank you for that lift!!!!

Posted by: Get America Back On Track | February 16, 2008, 8:28 pm 8:28 pm

Obama’s language is equal to Hillary telling her supporters at a rally that some folks (meaning Obama)go a shade to far when they don’t like the color of what’s going on.

Posted by: Mimi Schaeffer | February 16, 2008, 8:28 pm 8:28 pm

this is absurd, just get over the nit picking on the language. last week it was the pimp thing, now this. i am leaning toward obama but this fussing from the hilary camp just makes me want to cement myself with obama. doesnt look good, folks. is this the way she will fight back to mccain? crying foul?
go obama

Posted by: lori | February 16, 2008, 8:29 pm 8:29 pm

Michelle Obama started the “sexist” comments first when she said that ” Hillary could not take care of her own house so how could she take care of the White House”, but of course it’s ok for the Obamas to make remarks about Hillary…but no one is to retaliate against Obama..he’s just perfect. We need to know more about this man..his sneaky ways with the english language is a wake-up call.

Posted by: d sax | February 16, 2008, 8:32 pm 8:32 pm

Maybe next time you should search for more evidence because “claws” and “periodically” (over the course of a whole campaign) don’t strike me as sexist language.

Posted by: Will Nemirow | February 16, 2008, 8:32 pm 8:32 pm

About time the media actually called Obama on something. All they’ve been doing is massaging his ego so far.

Posted by: mutatio | February 16, 2008, 8:33 pm 8:33 pm

Don’t forget, you Texans who are going to the polls to vote to let American know that you will elect Hillary as the candidate…..I just saw Bill Clinton on CNN tonight telling Texan’s for Hillary that they need to vote EARLY in the morning that day, and be sure you get proof that you voted—–then, you can vote AGAIN in the evening, because you are legally ALLOWED TO, because of the way the Texas voting law is set up…..Texans, show American in A BIG WAY that you stand behind Hillary Clinton for the Democratic NOMINATION!!!! GO, Hillary !!!

Posted by: Get America Back On Track | February 16, 2008, 8:34 pm 8:34 pm

i agree will, some folks just like to make something out of nothing to stir the pot. that isnt you, is it jpt?

Posted by: lori | February 16, 2008, 8:36 pm 8:36 pm

Suprise Suprise Suprise, Tapper writes another pro-Hillary blog.

Posted by: David | February 16, 2008, 8:37 pm 8:37 pm

This is absolutely ridiculous. It has nothing to do with the views of either candidate and is merely an attempt by clinton supporters to cast an unfavorable light on Obama. Maybe Clinton bringing up that she’s a woman all the time is sexist? Obama never says “IM A MAN, VOTE FOR ME”. Quit being one-sided and stick to real stories so we don’t waste our time reading crap like this.

Posted by: Jim | February 16, 2008, 8:37 pm 8:37 pm

Someone should tell the Clintons that deceiving and manipulating the public with Bush-Clinton politics is one of the reasons so many people prefer to see Barack and Michelle Obama in the White House.
It’s time to make Bush-Clinton politics a thing of the past. The United States of America needs to become united again if it is ever going to solve the enormous problems that confront us.

Posted by: Matt | February 16, 2008, 8:37 pm 8:37 pm

This is stretch and sad if this passes for “news.” I’ll be the first one to say that I think that Hillary has gotten some sexist language and trash thrown at her through the years, but this isn’t part of it. He was clearly referring to that she was down…in the polls. Which she was. And she lost Iowa and then was behind in the polls going into NH. Which is when she went negative before. This can’t be that hard to comprehend?
As for claws coming out being sexist? Maybe, but it’s also just a common phrase that lots use, even men about men. Though I grant you, this can be used in a sexist fashion and Obama should be more careful in such things. But to use that as being actual evidence is just weak.

Posted by: Heidi | February 16, 2008, 8:39 pm 8:39 pm

This is ridiculous! Obama was raised by a single mother, has a strong, career minded and highly educated wife, He is also the father of two girls. He is the all inclusive candidate. What he said has nothing to do with Hillary being a woman. She is his opponent and is coming out swinging with attacks about how his speeches do not put food on the table. She says this while giving a speech. Too bad if his are better! This is grabbing at the straw of all straws. Obama’s stance on issues concerning women is strong. Please see an excerpt from his website.
Combat Employment Discrimination
Obama will work to overturn the Supreme Court’s recent ruling that curtails racial minorities’ and women’s ability to challenge pay discrimination. Obama will also pass the Fair Pay Act to ensure that women receive equal pay for equal work.
Women for Obama 08!

Posted by: cjazure | February 16, 2008, 8:40 pm 8:40 pm

I haven’t heard anyone mention that “having tea” comment Obama made in the beginning of the campaign.

Posted by: Karen | February 16, 2008, 8:44 pm 8:44 pm

Another example of Hillary being a witch…or something like that

Posted by: Susan | February 16, 2008, 8:44 pm 8:44 pm

what is your definition of “all inclusive candidate” ? (I can’t WAIT to hear this one……).

Posted by: Get America Back On Track | February 16, 2008, 8:47 pm 8:47 pm

Yes, please, please, all you guys out there, pray, tell us poor females what constitutes a sexist remark.
Because we were under the mistaken impression we could decide for ourselves.

Posted by: xist | February 16, 2008, 8:53 pm 8:53 pm

Nora O’donnell and Andrea Mitchell are quoted in this Piece and they work for MSNBC. MSNBC has been blasted by the Clintons for the David Shuster comments about Chelsea Clinton “PIMPING” for Superdelegate votes.
The Clinton campaign has threatened to pull out of the MSNBC debate the end of Feb. due to the remarks from Shuster. Maybe, this is a way for the MSNBC press team to get on the good side of the Clinton campaign?

Posted by: JAN | February 16, 2008, 8:55 pm 8:55 pm

But don’t call Obama’s meteoric rise to front runner in a matter of weeks a fairy tail. For some reason, that’s racism.

Posted by: xist | February 16, 2008, 8:57 pm 8:57 pm

Just a couple of comments:
1) This wasn’t a complaint by Hillary or her staff. This was an observation the media finally picked up on after lo these many months.
2) When Obama or any man makes such remarks against Hillary, or any woman, he negates ALL women.

Posted by: Chili06 | February 16, 2008, 9:00 pm 9:00 pm

The reality is if the statement can be construed as sexist (and it can, IMHO) then it will be.
The notion that “she’s being cranky because she’s on the rag” is a woman’s huge hot-button. This will tick off voters. Voters will stay home.
Add these stay-home voters to the list that already are staying home due to Obama’s Reagan-love.
If he wins the primary, I suspect he’s going to go after McCain for his age. Again, this will piss off seniors, a group that ACTUALLY VOTES — CONSISTENTLY — and doesn’t give a rat’s hiney if Roe versus Wade is overturned.
I think these mistakes are HUGE for Obama. You can’t court independents, sexists and Dems-for-a-day at the expense of the base (greatly populated by women) and expect to actually win a general election.

Posted by: T | February 16, 2008, 9:03 pm 9:03 pm

I am very disappointed in Andrea Mitchell and Nora O’Donnell for even thinking that what Obama said had any hidden meaning. I held both of them in high regard and felt they were above giving into the media spin. It seems that they are no better than the rest. It’s such a shame.

Posted by: Dave | February 16, 2008, 9:04 pm 9:04 pm

How pathetic is this? Are Mitchell and O’Donnell trying to distract the voters from the hideous remarks Chris Mathews has made about Hillary and Chelsea? (To say nothing of his really creepy leg thing for Obama.) Check out the number of prominent feminists who have chosen Obama over Hillary, like Katha Pollitt and Kate Michelman, for example. What kinds of contortion did Mitchell and O’Donnell have to go through to come up with this nonsense? I bet they’re really embarrassed at what they let some man at MSNBC tell them to do here.

Posted by: Apphouse50 | February 16, 2008, 9:11 pm 9:11 pm

xist: the mention of “fairy tale” and Obama in the same sentence refers to the fact that obama feels that he is a “prince charming” and that he feels that he can sweep in and “save America” with “inspiration” and “change” (what’s THAT? Change will happen, also, when a WOMAN wins the Presidency). Those “ideals” are hypothetical and metaphorical……there is nothing to base his past record on, no reality that he has brought change to, especially Illinoisians, in the past.

Posted by: Get America Back On Track | February 16, 2008, 9:12 pm 9:12 pm

xist: sorry, got the context of your post wrong…..my reply goes to anyone asking why obama’s campaign is a “fairy tale”—–it has nothing to do with racism…..

Posted by: Get America Back On Track | February 16, 2008, 9:15 pm 9:15 pm

Every week, another Clinton fabricated drama.
Last week, it was MSNBC & Chelsea.
This week, they don’t like the word “feeling down”.
Yet another Clintonian “weapon of mass distraction”

Posted by: Joan | February 16, 2008, 9:16 pm 9:16 pm

I think agism more than sexism has helped boost Obama’s campaign. The theme has pretty much been “if you’re over 50, you’re irrelevant”. “Mom, Dad, if you want to be cool, you’ll back Obama. Listen to me, I’m the 18 year old, I’m the one with the sound judgement”.

Posted by: EugeneWright | February 16, 2008, 9:18 pm 9:18 pm

I could possibly consider “claws coming” out as a gender based expression, but “feeling down?” I don’t understand how that is gender related.
I think that Hillary gets more trash than she deserves coming her way because she is a woman but she cleverly uses the gender card when she can so I don’t sympathize with her when it comes to the use of symbolic, gender based language.

Posted by: Berkeley Democrat | February 16, 2008, 9:22 pm 9:22 pm

If Women HRC supporters need such foolishness to get excited about her campaign, then things must be REALLY bad. “Periodically”?!? Give me a break.

Posted by: Kevin | February 16, 2008, 9:23 pm 9:23 pm

ALL OF YOU..Quick..back in the kitchen!

Posted by: Susan | February 16, 2008, 9:25 pm 9:25 pm

This is a BUM RAP!
Sounds like the TV journalists had too much stream-of-conciousness dialogue as they were reporting the events that day.
Being alert for hidden subtext is one thing but Obama’s comments as ‘sexist’? Now’s THAT’s overreaching.
I guess it’s more politically correct to speak of Hillary as a gender-neutral individual!?!
This blog is a waste of bytes and not news.

Posted by: Erik T | February 16, 2008, 9:26 pm 9:26 pm

Why do some women find the word “claw” offensive? Don’t male species like tigers, lions and even men, have claws too?
By using the word “claw”, Senator Obama only refered to the act of personal attack which has been repeatedly used by the Clintonian camp.
Oh, yeah, what do those of you who complained about the word “claw” think about Bill Clinton’s usage of “fairy tales”? And how about the recent blatant lie about Senator Obama’s “ducking debates” in light of his past +15 debates and 2 more to come with Hillary?

Posted by: ablanche | February 16, 2008, 9:26 pm 9:26 pm

“As a former Edwards supporter whose last choice was always Hillary, I’m now in her corner because of the behavior of Obama’s supporters.”
The childishness and crybaby aspect of the Clinton camp is so tired. As a woman, you make me ashamed. Can a woman win without crying and playing the victim all the time??
Hillary is no feminist. Hillary is Nixon II.

Posted by: Amy W. | February 16, 2008, 9:28 pm 9:28 pm

Many of these negative comments about Hillary and positive comments about Obama come from the same IP address.
This new red white and blue “o” with the sun Over the meadow is inspirational, but this is America and they worked for a long time on our Stars and Stripes. We should keep it.
Is this “o” a new plan for our flag?
Mrs Obama said American people have lost their souls. I would debate that. I don’t think so. There are many, many Americans with souls.
I don’t like the way people are disabled either by Obama or the media, when they address Obama for answers. The Obama camp needs to come back with real answers to real questions.
The Obama crew put out misleading ads about Sen. Clintons health care plan. Why?
These are the issues that need to be addressed. This is a person who wants to be our President.

Posted by: nOw lets get real | February 16, 2008, 9:29 pm 9:29 pm

nOw let’s get real: Good points. What I want to know is, if Michelle Obama says that “Americans have lost their souls”—–what are she and obama going to push religion-wise if he is elected President? That Michele Obama comment about “lost their souls” sounds like Michele Obama wants to inject “religion of some kind” into America to help the soul-less American public…..what church does obama and his wife go to in Chicago, and what is it all about?

Posted by: Get America Back On Track | February 16, 2008, 9:34 pm 9:34 pm

Hillary didn’t complain about the comments, a news reporter did. Oppps Obama, may have upset 1 media person. And rightfully so.
Sexism is not going to work in Politics for the world.
There are many leaders of many other Countries that are women, and some are old. Some are old men.
We really don’t have time to make this kind of mistake.
Hillary or McCain or else.
I do prefer Hillay though.

Posted by: Media 1 | February 16, 2008, 9:37 pm 9:37 pm

“I see the closer we get to voting, the media tries to influence our vote with these pathetic stunts. Disgusting.”
Exactly. Always happens right before a vote. Remember the New Hampshire “teary” moment. The Media whipped that one up so the Clintons could win.
“weapons of mass distraction”

Posted by: J.R. | February 16, 2008, 9:39 pm 9:39 pm

Tapper is correct in showing us what
David Brock and others are noticing
about the effect of language. Clinton
is competent: Obama has charisma such
the sheeple follow his call. His being
careless seems deliberate; I noticed it
too and felt yucky about his choice of
words. Mayhap his smart wife annoyed him
that day relative to his smelly socks
and such? Obama can’t reduce Clinton
with such words, but he needs to think
before he speaks. Shame on him.

Posted by: Jeanne Khan | February 16, 2008, 9:39 pm 9:39 pm

These two women on MSNBC or NBC have never given Hillary Clinton’s campaign a positive word. Do you honestly think that these comments were given to help her. It was MSNBC’s way of sending subliminal messages to sway the white male vote. Hillary is too busy with substantive message to be bothered w/ overt or covert sexism.
As a professional female who has faced sexism in the workplace and in life for more than three decades, I support Hillary’s way of fighting it — hard work, study, and more hard work. She has a long record of productivity with all the issues she supports now. However
I have not been able to find any evidence of years of productivity from Senator Obama; in 44 years, there should just be a lot more. Where is all the public service beyond the work he was paid to do? Where is the record of Michele Obama’s work beyond the paycheck. When Bill Clinton came to Washington, Hillary had a long record of public service accomplishments in addition to her work w/ the legal aid society, Children’s Defense Fund, public and private legal practice.
Both Bill and Hillary Clinton had years of experience fighting for civil rights, equal rights, and human rights.
I’m sorry but I want the next president of the United States to have more experience than being a state legislator and a community activist. In my state of NC, most legislators hold other jobs in addition to serving in the legislature.
I am not voting for Hillary Clinton because she is a woman, but because she is the most qualified of all the candidates in the presidential race.
If the media {especially GE, with all of its military and energy interests,through its NBC, MSNBC, and MCcatny Newspapers}, Time Warner (through its “Obama” pundits on CNN), News Corp (owned by Rupert Murdock) w/ its FOX network, Wallstreet Journal,New York Post, and other cable and newspaper outlets, CONTINUE to promote Obama w/ free daily positive coverage and an almost equal amount of anti-Clinton coverage, do manage to give Senator Obama the nomination,I will have to take a serious look at the Republican nominee. Under no circumstances will my husband or I vote for a candidate who is as weak on credentials as George Bush.
If the National Democratic Party thinks they can win the primary states w/ a candidate who only excels at caucases or low population states, they are dillusional.
Judith Wish, Fayetteville, NC

Posted by: Judith Wish | February 16, 2008, 9:43 pm 9:43 pm

McCain would rather run against Hillary because if he looses, he knows the Country will be better off then if it, heaven forbid, went into Obamaland. I would bet 10 to 1 McCain cares about America, and knows that the real answer is to protect and provide. Hillary is clearly the best person to take over.
Thank you Sen. McCain. My trust in you went way up. If it wasn’t for Hillary, I would vote for you.

Posted by: honest | February 16, 2008, 9:45 pm 9:45 pm

What a non story story. Soon, there will be only a few words we can use…let me see before I answer I have to check the book for approval. What a bunch of crap. I’m moving to the mountains.

Posted by: Act III | February 16, 2008, 9:47 pm 9:47 pm

I don’t know about the rest of it, but I NEVER hear of claws coming out about a man. Never.

Posted by: eva | February 16, 2008, 9:47 pm 9:47 pm

I feel that HC is shameless in her ways. I feel she plays the gender card a lot. I feel she is hipocritical because she claims she is a feminist but she is only in the posiyion she is in because of her husband. There are more women in the democratic party that have done way more then Mrs. Clinton, but they are not married to a former president. She is giving the american people false hope with universal health care because her bill will not go past the house and the senate and she will eventually blame it on the politics of Washington.

Posted by: Sarah | February 16, 2008, 9:50 pm 9:50 pm

Irrespective of anyone’s theories about the female gender– or anyone’s theories about prejudices in that regard held by others– here are some questions:
1) Has the Clinton camp made allegations, insinuations, and other sorts of attacks about, toward, or upon the Obama campaign from time to time, corresponding to intervals in which the Clinton campaign was perceived to be trailing?
2) Does the word “periodical” refer in standard American English to “occurring from time to time” or “in intervals”?
Just asking.

Posted by: sumguy | February 16, 2008, 9:52 pm 9:52 pm

I voted for Obama. In being fair, I think Clinton is a very qualified, likeable, experienced equal candidate as well. However, since voting, I am starting to have buyer’s remorse! I have noticed in the media (all networks – including Fox), Obama receives better coverage than Clinton. The media covers him with more positive spin, there are no discussions or challenging him on the issues. On the other hand, Clinton receives less coverage, more negative spin, she is constantly challenged on her every move and word. Clinton has even challenged on her hair and wardrobe selections! Are the candidate really competing with each other? Or – are the networks competing with themselves in the selling of each candidates for higher ratings?! By the power of suggestion, are the media networks marketing and selecting our presidential candidates? Over the months, it’s becoming increasing visible the media favors Obama to Clinton! Which should be of no surprise, as Obama’s campaign organization is managed by a media guru. However, from my perception, there is a disturbing trend happening with in the media’s coverage of the two candidates. No networks or person, wants to be perceived as a raciest, therefore its appears more and more, Obama is getting special treatment with the networks because of this fact. Clinton is not being afforded the same consideration, yet she too, is a morality….. must we not forget. It’s seems to be now acceptable with the networks to be a sexist! Equal rights means equal for all!

Posted by: mike | February 16, 2008, 9:57 pm 9:57 pm

Obama’s arrogance is just astounding. Darn right he is using sexist language. He is a disgrace. SEXIST PIG for saying these things. Just like his buddies in the media who support this preaching bigot!

Posted by: Muzza | February 16, 2008, 9:57 pm 9:57 pm

Give me a break. He was talking about when she had just lost some states/delegates. This story is really reaching and ridiculous.

Posted by: Kim | February 16, 2008, 9:58 pm 9:58 pm

Seriously, does anyone know if Mr. Obama has an image of our flag being a red white blue “o” with a sun and a meadow? Did his wOnderful writer design it? was it Mrs. Obama? maybe Oprah?
Opps, was I allOwed to ask that? Oh well. I really shOuldn’t sOund like this. It’s nOt right, but fOr sOme reasOn, I’m just sO cOuriOus. I’m just sO p.O.ed Over all this.

Posted by: "O"H what a wOnderful wOrld. | February 16, 2008, 10:02 pm 10:02 pm

James – you’ve got no idea. It was actually Obama and his disgracefully shameless campaign team who introduced the “race card” in South Carolina. Everything irrupted after O’s team sent a 4 page letter of RUBBISH trying to drum up media attention to help them turn black voters against Hillary Clinton. DISGRACEFUL PROPAGANDA!
Obama has shamelessly seduced the following groups of people to win votes:
1. young people
2. african-american people
3. guitly white educated “no war” liberals
4. oprah-watching housewives
PREACHES, SERMONS – it’s all a CON JOB!!!!
DONT’ BE A VICTIM!!!

Posted by: Muzza | February 16, 2008, 10:02 pm 10:02 pm

Obama is a sexist, and a racist. Just ck out the church he has been going to for years. Add to tha Mr. Sinclair, and crack.

Posted by: David | February 16, 2008, 10:03 pm 10:03 pm

Barack Obama really is a wolf in sheep’s clothing.
He’s been speaking this way about Hillary Clinton from the very start, using euphemisms that do not sound too offensive as you hear them, but are loaded with meaning when you think a bit more about them.
He is charming: he can disarm, beguile, and fool a lot of people who listen to him speak.
These people become fools themselves, singing Hosannahs while lying prostrate at Obama’s feet.
But they will realize the folly of their ways, the folly of seeing a halo over his head, and will turn away from him disappointed and feeling empty.

Posted by: Otillap | February 16, 2008, 10:08 pm 10:08 pm

Be careful in criticizing Senator Obama. He might use his super weapon which he has handily used in cohorts with the Washington media —– racism.
Don’t you see how they destroyed President Clinton? Suddenly, in the eyes of the NAIVE Americans Clinton is a racist. Forget all of the things he has done for the upliftment of the black people. Forget the Katrina fund that he started for the welfare of people in Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana.
Blacks who favored Obama over Clinton in those states should be ashamed of themselves for being racist. They voted for a candidate based on color, not accomplishment. Some sense of gratitude

Posted by: Noel | February 16, 2008, 10:09 pm 10:09 pm

Mike – WRONG! Clinton is often slandered and critiqued and her supporters don’t scream “sexism”. Only when this kind of TRASHY language is used. Conversely, Mr Obama has been getting a massively FREE RIDE because anyone who dares criticize him is accused of being a racist. It’s ridiculous. This pseudo-preacher needs to be brought to the table and shown up for the charlatan that he is!

Posted by: Muzza | February 16, 2008, 10:11 pm 10:11 pm

Sen. Hillary Clinton, didn’t say anything or complain at all. SURPRISE!!!!!!!
It was the Obamedia. I think there might be some that are still awake.

Posted by: AWAKE | February 16, 2008, 10:11 pm 10:11 pm

Noel , whatever the reason blacks voted for Obama is not important, the people that should be ashamed of themself are the whites that don’t vote for HRC. Do onto others as they have done onto you.

Posted by: Charles | February 16, 2008, 10:13 pm 10:13 pm

honest,
Your logic is astoundign in its ignorance. McCain wants to face Hillary because he knows he can more easily beat her. Right now he doesn’t have enough support in his own party, but if Clinton gets the nod than the base will tunr out just to vote against her. As to the sexist piece. I think this is a bunch of BS. Obama is not sexist in anyway, besides I don’t think Michelle (his wife) would tolerate it. However, I think that the candidates need to choose their words more carefully because of the intense scrutiny

Posted by: Aaron | February 16, 2008, 10:14 pm 10:14 pm

Charles those white people weren’t being racist. They were just dumb. Obama is not ready.

Posted by: ME | February 16, 2008, 10:17 pm 10:17 pm

Aaron , you are the one with the wrong logic. Half of Dems base will never vote for a black man. We cant forget reality.

Posted by: Latasha | February 16, 2008, 10:18 pm 10:18 pm

This is garbage. Jake, why are you giving these smears a platform?

Posted by: Jimmyvanl | February 16, 2008, 10:23 pm 10:23 pm

Obama is almost inexpressibly repulsive. The sight of him, that smug arrogant face, makes me retch.

Posted by: doyenne49 | February 16, 2008, 10:27 pm 10:27 pm

God!! This is such a great news story.

Posted by: reks | February 16, 2008, 10:27 pm 10:27 pm

Discouraging Jake from giving a platform to speak from is not American. This is a place where people get and share information. Does anyone have any from the Obama camp yet?

Posted by: Still Waiting. | February 16, 2008, 10:31 pm 10:31 pm

O’Please stop saying that Senator McCain can’t wait to go after Clinton, or Obama..
The next President will be A Democrat.. It only remains to be seen which one of the two Democrats will be the one Nominated by Our Party.. To All of you Republican Turkey’s shooting of your mouths, trying to stir the pot.. You better find another horse to ride.. Your BS just isn’t working anymore..

Posted by: J.Murphy, CA. | February 16, 2008, 10:35 pm 10:35 pm

J.Murphy, CA, McCain and the Republicans are preparing the feathers and the tar , just in case Obama wins. These Republican will torture and they like it.

Posted by: Latasha | February 16, 2008, 10:39 pm 10:39 pm

Is there anyway to criticize Obama without being accused of racism? Is there any way of expressing support for a female candidate without being accused by someone of preferring that candidate over Obama because of a secret (or not so secret) hatred of Blacks?
I don’t think so, and we might as well get used to it. Anything but genuflection to all things Obama will be ascribed to sexism is long as his candidacy or presidency lasts.
Have fun “decoding” my comments Obama worshippers. I’m not falling for this anymore.

Posted by: not Mike who posted at 10:09:43 | February 16, 2008, 10:43 pm 10:43 pm

I think the ads came out because Pres Hillary Clinton, opps, I mean Sen Clinton knew the truth had to come out. His messages are misleading and the American people need to know.

Posted by: Truth | February 16, 2008, 10:45 pm 10:45 pm

“But don’t call Obama’s meteoric rise to front runner in a matter of weeks a fairy tail. For some reason, that’s racism.”
Well said Mike, and we knew the other wasn’t you.

Posted by: xist | February 16, 2008, 10:53 pm 10:53 pm

I feel a bit of sorrow for all the Obama followers, because they are misled and they really need to have hope to hang on to.
The true answer is to believe in yourself, you are very great people with souls, and you deserve to know the truth.
Let’s get the truth out for you, so you can continue to believe in yourself, your family, your friends.
Now, lets get a great President that will take care of the details. Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: Blieve | February 16, 2008, 10:54 pm 10:54 pm

Wow, this is ugly. Thought very deeply about this and have chosen to back Barack, but I’d let the slams of Hillary go, no use striking back. She’s losing, of course she’s going to get desperate. Not sure anyone of any race creed, gender or sexual orientation would react to such a dramatic turnaround in their fortunes. Chill people.

Posted by: Neil | February 16, 2008, 10:54 pm 10:54 pm

B. Obama has been talking down to Hillary from day one. I am not shocked. He constantly did it during the debates. He can’t hide it. It is quite obvious he can’t handle a woman that is WAY more intelligent and qualified to be run the country.

Posted by: dajay | February 16, 2008, 10:55 pm 10:55 pm

Thought very deeply about this and have decided to back Sen. Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: Deep | February 16, 2008, 10:57 pm 10:57 pm

I am a woman and use the term periodically to mean sometimes not as an innuendo. Maybe the person who wrote this would be be using it this way. How sad. I don’t think Obama did

Posted by: Jenai | February 16, 2008, 10:59 pm 10:59 pm

Leadership + Resume + Passion + Dignity + Smart + Grace = Sen. Hillary Clinton for President.

Posted by: Can do addition | February 16, 2008, 11:01 pm 11:01 pm

I’d like to suggest that if Hillary were was winning no one would have their panties in a wad about Obama’s meaningless coment

Posted by: lubetkin | February 16, 2008, 11:02 pm 11:02 pm

Oh please, Obama know what he was doing. If he didn’t, then he shouldn’t be Prez and talk to other leaders of other nations. Not enough experience. We have other leaders who are women and other leaders who are old. He has said way to much about being old in the White House. That is sending a bad message to our young people. We need to respect older people. Everyone got their souls in check? I’ve got mine.

Posted by: With Soul | February 16, 2008, 11:05 pm 11:05 pm

Honestly, would anybody here have thought Obama was being potentially “sexist” with these remarks if people in the media hadn’t suggested it you.
How about we start thinking for ourselves friends.
All this does is divert our attention from the real issues we should be debating. Is the word “periodically” really more important than words like “war” “recession” “health-care”, etc!(not a period!)

Posted by: The Bee | February 16, 2008, 11:06 pm 11:06 pm

“Claws come out”, definitely. Next he’ll be calling her “feisty” (or has that already happened).
He’s also started calling her by her first name more.
The “feeling low” comment gave me pause when I first saw it, but I decided to give him a pass on it. Don’t say “how would he talk about Edwards?” Say “how would he talk about Bill?” Fact is, the comment is too apt a description of exactly how the Clintons (Bill even more so than Hillary) have been approaching the race to count as a cheap shot. Belittling, yes. Sexist, not so much.

Posted by: Gail | February 16, 2008, 11:09 pm 11:09 pm

Claws? That is sexist imagery. No debate.

Posted by: howzat? | February 16, 2008, 11:11 pm 11:11 pm

I just figured out why Mrs. Obama said AMERICANS have LOST their SOULS. It’s because she sees so many zombies.
Oh that was not nice. But I love my soul and I don’t like young people being told they have lost their souls. This is scary.
Oh I hope Obama does come back in 8+ years, he may make a good president then, but first there needs to be some more lerning and growing. He will see more clearly then, and wont see so much negative about America.

Posted by: Almost done | February 16, 2008, 11:12 pm 11:12 pm

There is no there there. I am a women who has worked for feminist causes. It really bothers me how sexism, chauvinism, and misogyny is just thrown around casually for political gain. Obama has been very active in reproductive rights and women’s health and is the father of two daughters. Do you really think he is sexist?
I find it offensive that the Clinton campaign is playing the gender card when her real problem is that she has run a poor campaign based on assumed inevitability without the benefit of a Plan B.

Posted by: mothermaven | February 16, 2008, 11:16 pm 11:16 pm

Its not the Clinton campain that complained, they have NOT said anything.
It was …. oh my gosh… the. Media. We have all seen it and heard it. One person left off the Obmedia ride brought it up in public. WE.. People who support Hillary… Have been talking about it for ages.
Clinton has not complained at all about it. She is busy addressing the issues and clearing up misleading ads.

Posted by: me | February 16, 2008, 11:21 pm 11:21 pm

I’d rather get my daily dose of sexist crap from John McCain than Barack Obama. At least with McCain, I can convince myself that its days are numbered. When it comes from a young man like Barack, I can’t help but think that women are going to be working harder and paid less for a long time to come.

Posted by: Nancy | February 16, 2008, 11:23 pm 11:23 pm

It is apparent that, working-men, women, and Latinos are receptive to her. Latinos for Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: to the point | February 16, 2008, 11:24 pm 11:24 pm

Rolls his eyes. I think the paranoid people of this country are reading a bit too much into this.

Posted by: Roger | February 16, 2008, 11:26 pm 11:26 pm

Oh, please. It was obvious from the way he said it (and I watched it) that he meant “down in the polls”. I am a woman and any other sexist interpretation never crossed my mind. As far as “claws”, I think that’s a general thing people say about being under attack. It’s like saying the “long knives” come out. Again, I see nothing sexist. Sheesh, some people are too sensitive. (oh sorry, will that be seen as “sexist” too?)

Posted by: Lisa | February 16, 2008, 11:27 pm 11:27 pm

come on ladies, don’t get your knickers in a twist (I’m a woman, but I was born in the 60′s, thank God)

Posted by: Maeve | February 16, 2008, 11:28 pm 11:28 pm

Please folks stop spinning the spin!
We all have better things to do then this.
Get real folks and stop playing games!!
Debbie

Posted by: Debbie | February 16, 2008, 11:28 pm 11:28 pm

This is just the tip of the surface. When this person uses someone elses words, he sounds great. His own.. not so wonderful. I hope we all have our souls with us tonight. I’m a bit worried because we are saying not such nice things some times. Maybe this is just a great way to vent after all this Obama stuff.
Let’s just get on with the right choice. Hillary Clinton

Posted by: She | February 16, 2008, 11:32 pm 11:32 pm

I am really fed up with the glory going to Obama for bringing the youth vote. Get a grip–we are in war–what a novel thought that may be a reason for youth interest. Senator Clinton is the first woman ever in our history running for President and being this successful, not to mention the former first lady aspect. Technology such as the internet has spiked social awareness. The people that give no claim to the both of them receiving interest from that age group might want to look up the numbers.

Posted by: kate | February 16, 2008, 11:33 pm 11:33 pm

sounds like another “kindergarten paper”-gate.
honestly, why don’t things like “policy differences” get reported? there have to be like 8 trillion of these sorts of comments on every story from every major media outlet’s site, and yet i’m still reading about how bill clinton said “x” and hillary cried about “y” and obama said something that someone typed into babelfish, converted between 8 different languages and decided was a shot at feminists. by now, this entire election cycle reads like a gossip girl novel.
dear media:
i am an adult. pretty, pretty please treat me as such.

Posted by: josh | February 16, 2008, 11:33 pm 11:33 pm

Looks like he can do whatever he wants and the public and most of the news approve. I remember this happening when our boy ole’ “W” was running for office and when he started “Shock ‘n Awe”…any of us talked about it..we were traitors…so now we have another KING…..baa baa baa little American sheep…..ain’t nobody this good, but here you go again with your HERO WORSHIP!! Start licking his shoes…and whatever he says is A-OK..for now.

Posted by: karmax | February 16, 2008, 11:36 pm 11:36 pm

Oh my gosh, did I just read a person from Obamaland suggest that ABC not have a forum for people to voice their views if it is not in favor of OBAMA!!!!!!
Just why everyone is so fired up.. Because if you say ANYTHING negative about Obama, they try to disable you. If it’s Hillary, then it’s ok.
We should not have an leader who’s followers incourage this type of system.

Posted by: Daisy | February 16, 2008, 11:37 pm 11:37 pm

You’ve got to be kidding me. When women get this “sensitive and touchy” over any little thing, the feminist movement takes another step backwards. Let’s not make up insults! It just demeans us all.

Posted by: Sue T123 | February 16, 2008, 11:44 pm 11:44 pm

I think he’d say the same thing towards McCain. From what I read, McCain’s got quite a temper. Should be interesting to see the two of them debate.

Posted by: Kevin | February 16, 2008, 11:44 pm 11:44 pm

Sure. Obama knows that, as the Black man and the media darling, he’s protected. His guys can slam Bill Clinton for subtly noting that Jesse Jackson won South Carolina; yes, that was a way of saying that half the Democrats there are Black, and they automatically vote for the Black guy. But it IS TRUE. How do you win when 40% of the people in the primary will vote their race, and you need to get 84% of the remaining (White) people? You can’t win.
Plus the press has been worshipping Obama and shutting down all criticism of him, the way they worshipped Bush and shut down any negative facts about Bush in 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002 and 2003, and to a slightly lesser degree in 2004. But the old vicious hatred of Hillary from the right wing in 1992 continues on as always.
There is a big double standard at work here. Obama can use these code words to his heart’s content, but Hillary has to walk on eggs, and she is still condemned.
If Obama and crazy McCain face each other, the filthy press will have a heart attack trying to figure out which of the 2 unqualified media creations it loves the most. I wish the mainstream press, Bush, McCain and Obama would all visit the Eastern Congo on a fact finding trip – and STAY THERE.

Posted by: Yana Bergerwhille | February 16, 2008, 11:46 pm 11:46 pm

I heard those comments mentioned above, in fact, my husband actually pointed it out first and we both HEARD it.
What the HELL am I talking about? I watched people lined up and some grabbed him and kissed his neck among other things. The cable media (men of all things) make comments about his speeches “numbing their leg”…anyway, I DON’T HAVE TO JUSTIFY MY OPINION…THAT IS THE WAY I SEE IT…YOU KEEP WATCHING AND IF YOU DON’T SEE IT THAT WAY…that’s your right. I will think and say it my way, you do yours. Actually this is more than “W” worship…and it’s only begun! Besides cool your jets…he’s gonna be your President. I am going to enjoy this.

Posted by: karmax | February 16, 2008, 11:51 pm 11:51 pm

Wow! The majority of the posts here are remarkable for their lack of a rational approach to the problem of choosing a president (if not outright racism and sexism). All of our choices are, when you get down to it, career politicians – they all spin, they all tailor their pitch to the given audience, they all have outsize egos, and they all say things on the spur of the moment that don’t come out quite right. Look at the big picture folks! If you’re a Democrat and don’t want to see the party blow their third election in a row, there’s only one choice. 47% of the country will NEVER vote for Hillary – she and her husband are reviled by many – not because she is a woman, but because she is fundamentally corrupt. The Clinton’s threw away the black vote on a political miscalculation, thinking that they could marginalize Obama – but it didn’t work – and now they’ve lost terribly in states where they should have won. Obama has his flaws (ego being one of them), but he does inspire huge numbers of young voters to join the process, he is a skilled politician, he appeals to independents to a much greater extent than Hillary (this is not assertion – you can read it in any of the exit polls from the primaries), and he is more likely to beat McCain. He has run a brilliant campaign, coming from way behind to take the lead. The Clinton campaign now fusses and whines about his red state victories and caucus state victories, when they have no one to blame but themselves for running a lousy campaign. It is all negativity flowing from the Clinton campaign these days. Do you really want to return the Clinton’s to the white house for four years of divisive battles with the Republicans, not to mention the likelihood of watching one scandal after another unfold for the next four years? Obama’s not perfect, but he’s the best choice we’ve got!

Posted by: Mikey | February 16, 2008, 11:52 pm 11:52 pm

Did anyone see Oprah’s interview last year with Obama and his wife. He wouldn’t let her speak for herself. The big O had to tell him to let his wife speak for herself.

Posted by: cynthia | February 16, 2008, 11:55 pm 11:55 pm

I considered Obama, but I really did some research. Thats why I switched.
Anyway, I’m going to leave this blog now, because I feel bad that I said things that were not nice. I just got so frustrated over the media slant and had to voice my thoughts. Sorry, I didn’t mean to offend anyone. Honest.
I am sure Obama may make a good president one day. I am sure he is sincere on some things. In some way, I think the media helped him.

Posted by: Done | February 16, 2008, 11:55 pm 11:55 pm

Four Words:
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

Posted by: Nate | February 16, 2008, 11:57 pm 11:57 pm

Obama has a lot of learning to. Right now he is like the new black poodle who just won bow on his head for wagging his tail the best, in the “best in show”

Posted by: opinionnated | February 16, 2008, 11:58 pm 11:58 pm

Boy—Sexist Language? From what I’ve observed in Senator Obama, he DOESN’T have time to imply, plant, portray, suggest, or gesture.
Apparently paranoia is “setting” into this campaign. That’s a shame–because for the first time in many years I would love to see a descent arbitrary.

Posted by: William | February 17, 2008, 12:01 am 12:01 am

Every word Obama says, every gesture Obama uses, is carefully orchestrated and rehearsed. He’s a product. He really scares me.

Posted by: Hattie | February 17, 2008, 12:02 am 12:02 am

I calle Bushie boy…boy…I call him when talking to a Repub…”your boy”….is that what it will be like when Bamey boy gets in office? Well, if “boy” is a problem…what about “jerk”? I call Bush that also. Cut the black/white stuff….and if you think it’s racist, it’s your problem. I’m black and I’m not offended. You got a problem with that?

Posted by: karmax | February 17, 2008, 12:03 am 12:03 am

It’s not about being female and having someone say something stupid to you. It’s about a potential leader of our Nation saying something stupid. PERIOD. We have many leaders of many nations, some old and some women. He could easily #### them off with his NEW GENERATION, YOUNG, talk, and their claws may come out. Well actually, women leaders don’t really do that. And clearly Hillary won’t. She was just pointing out misleading ads.

Posted by: Mis-leading statement PERIOD. | February 17, 2008, 12:07 am 12:07 am

I don’t mean this in a racist way, so don’t take it like that. Obama kinda looks like a boy.

Posted by: cynthia | February 17, 2008, 12:08 am 12:08 am

Clearly he is talking about her being down in the polls. Can you do an article on the bills that she passed vs. the bill the Obama passed in the Senate. Something with substance, that demonstrates your intellectual horsepower. No comparision between HRC and Obama. Look at their bills and you tell me who is more experienced and capable of being commander and chief:
Obama
During the first eight years of his elected service he sponsored over 820 bills. He introduced:
233 regarding healthcare reform,
125 on poverty and public assistance,
112 crime fighting bills,
97 economic bills,
60 human rights and anti-discrimination bills,
21 ethics reform bills,
15 gun control,
6 veterans affairs and many others.
His first year in the U.S. Senate, he authored 152 bills and co-sponsored another 427. These included:
- the Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006 (became law),
- The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act, (became law),
- The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act, passed the Senate,
- The 2007 Government Ethics Bill, (became law),
- The Protection Against Excessive Executive Compensation Bill, (In committee)
ClintonSenator Clinton, who has served only one full term (6yrs.), and another year campaigning, has managed to author and pass into law, (20) twenty pieces of legislation.
1. Establish the Kate Mullany National Historic Site.
2. Support the goals and ideals of Better Hearing and Speech Month.
3. Recognize the Ellis Island Medal of Hon
4. Name courthouse after Thurgood Marshall.
5. Name courthouse after James L. Watson.
6. Name post office after Jonn A. O’Shea.
7. Designate Aug. 7, 2003, as National Purple Heart Recognition Day.
8. Support the goals and ideals of National Purple Heart Recognition Day.
9. Honor the life and legacy of Alexander Hamilton on the bicentennial of his death.
10. Congratulate the Syracuse Univ. Orange Men’s Lacrosse Team on winning the championship.
11. Congratulate the Le Moyne College Dolphins Men’s Lacrosse Team on winning the championship.
12. Establish the 225th Anniversary of the American Revolution Commemorative Program.
13. Name post office after Sergeant Riayan A. Tejeda.
14. Honor Shirley Chisholm for her service to the nation and express condolences on her death.
15. Honor John J. Downing, Brian Fahey, and Harry Ford, firefighters who lost their lives on duty.
Only five of Clinton’s bills are more substantive:
16. Extend period of unemployment assistance to victims of 9/11.
17. Pay for city projects in response to 9/11
18. Assist landmine victims in other countries.
19. Assist family caregivers in accessing affordable respite care.
20. Designate part of the National Forest System in Puerto Rico as protected in the wilderness preservation system.
There you have it. The facts straight from the Senate Record.
Her Whitehouse schedule is under lock and key, so that is all that we have to judge her so called experience on.

Posted by: joey | February 17, 2008, 12:12 am 12:12 am

Boy is fine black or white. It is a figure of speech. I thought America was beyond this. The white people are walking on eggshells to please this black candidate. I am African-American, black, girlfriend (or whatever you want to say) and I don’t need someone bowing and tiptoeing around me. I have enough confidence in myself to take any criticism. I think Obama can handle it!!! Quit the politically correctness and just be yourself, good, bad or indifferent. Yes, I did vote for Hillary not Obama. He is not my choice. See we have opinions too!

Posted by: karmax | February 17, 2008, 12:16 am 12:16 am

It’s pretty clear that Obama was talking about Clinton being down in the polls, not that she was having PMS. I suspect he knows enough biology to realize that 60 year old women aren’t cycling anymore. Too bad others are not so well-informed.

Posted by: Maura | February 17, 2008, 12:16 am 12:16 am

Hillary Clinton has embarrassed me.

Posted by: Susan B. Anthony | February 17, 2008, 12:26 am 12:26 am

Dear Mr. Tapper,
Thank you for your letter. It was real. There will be some people who insult you for it, but your stor is right on. You will go down in history as the as the lone media person, to take the big step. Hopefully there will be more who step uo. You have my respect for your story. It was brave of you.
Best regards
A new fan.

Posted by: A new fan | February 17, 2008, 12:27 am 12:27 am

The bottom line and something the mainstream media will not talk about is how in the hell does Hillary plan to lead a NATION when she and her campaign are so willing to use N.O.W. and remnants of the OLD FEMINIST VANGUARD (Taylor Marsh, Susan Faludi, Gloria Steinem) to alienate and divide the rest of AMERICA and essentially lumping any MALE who levels a legitimate critique at Hillary as being a MISOGYNIST. The Truth is that the same way in which she pulls at poor latino’s HRC is engaging in VICTIMIZATION POLITICS that may inspire NAIVE WOMEN ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE BELL CURVE but have the effect of ALIENATING PROGRESSIVE RATIONAL MINDED MEN who believe that NO POLITICIAN is above reproach. Ms. Clinton’s efforts to innoculate herself are turning off MEN in a huge way.

Posted by: Christopher London | February 17, 2008, 12:28 am 12:28 am

Notice how upset many guys get when a piece of sexism is noted.
Why the upset? Why not just say ‘well I don’t think it is sexist? So it might be a misinterpretation or maybe you just don’t get it. Why does it pain you so?
One of the big problems in clearing up sexism is that somw men are so whacked out by mere discussion of it.
So I suggest they take a bit of their own advice: don’t get so worked up and emotional. Be calm, it won’t bite you.
Joel Mael

Posted by: joel mael | February 17, 2008, 12:29 am 12:29 am

The comment regarding claws really is a sexist allusion, since it refers to the long-standing imagery of female contenders engaging in cat-fighting. Obama should watch his gender-biases and avoid use of such language.

Posted by: bjbprice | February 17, 2008, 12:38 am 12:38 am

Ryan, TX
So everyone who funds the Iraq war should be voted out to?

Posted by: C DEPP | February 17, 2008, 12:38 am 12:38 am

This is what you get when you embrace identity politics, everything is personal. This entire campaign has been based upon DNA instead of ideas, issues, and character.
Obama–> “I would have to investigate more into Bill’s dancing abilities before I accurately judge wether he was in fact a brother”, “Let’s face it, my presence on this stage is pretty unlikely,”, “we have a woman, an African American, and John”.
Clinton—> “I’m your girl”, “I’m very comfortable in the kitchen”, “in so many ways, this all-women’s college prepared me to compete in the all-boys club of presidential politics.”, “It is clear, I think, from women’s experiences, that from time to time, there may be some impediments,”, “[It] has been my goal, over the course of my lifetime, to be part of this great movement of progress that includes all of us but has particularly been significant to me as a woman [to break through] the highest, hardest glass ceiling.”

Posted by: Ty | February 17, 2008, 12:38 am 12:38 am

About Obama’s comments that women might find offensive, LET’S ASK OBAMA’S WIFE, WHO HAPPENS TO BE A WOMAN. Regarding Bill’s racebaiting, LET’S ASK BILL’S WIFE, uh, well, SHE’S NOT BLACK, IS SHE?
It’s a completely different thing, and Clinton supporters trying to equate the two is yet another cynical, desperate tactic to revive her coronation, er, campaign.
You see, a funny thing happened on the way to the White House. The Clintons thought the 2008 primary campaign would be a coronation. Instead, it has turned into, well, a campaign. The American people, and certainly the Democrats, have started to ask her questions that SHE NEVER THOUGHT SHE’D HAVE TO ANSWER. But rather than to provide answers to those questions in ways that WOULD UNITE people, she has CHOSEN to provide answers to those questions in ways that HAVE DIVIDED people.
And one other thing. Obama did drugs in his youth. Bill Clinton smoked marijuana but didn’t inhale (yeah, right!). Dubya did cocaine. NONE OF THAT MATTERS TO ME, so long as they’re not still doing drugs TODAY. Indeed, I would argue that doing drugs in your youth gives you more perspective into the things that lead our children to do drugs today, and perhaps more perspective on what to do about that.
I’ll tell ya this, John McCain and Mike Huckabee can’t tell me anything about drugs without me asking, “What the heck do you personally know about it?”

Posted by: Save the Country | February 17, 2008, 12:43 am 12:43 am

if hillary were perchance a man, then these
words or phrases that obama used would
be of no consequence. she threw her hat in
the ring, and i think she is tough enough to
take the heat. LORD knows she can dish
it out…. in any other arena these com-
ments would be meaningless. but for sure
some one will try to start a fire with them

Posted by: frank vale | February 17, 2008, 1:00 am 1:00 am

if bill clinton said the same thing as obama did it would be the end of the political world

Posted by: greensky | February 17, 2008, 1:24 am 1:24 am

I am a woman and take zero offense to what Obama said. What part of it is untrue?
Obama has stayed on message and kept an even keel through the course of this campaign While Clinton has been all over the map. I don’t think it’s because of her sex, I think it’s because she thought she was a shoe-in and now she’s scrambling and trying to figure out what will work from one week to the next. She DOES constantly come up with new slogans, and she does it every time she’s feeling DOWN… meaning DOWN in the polls, DOWN on her campaign and it’s managers, DOWN on her husband’s ego-filled, race-injecting speeches. Her claws DO come out. Male felines have claws too. There is nothing inaccurate about what was said. People need to seriously calm down and quit over analyzing. And to say that the press has been overly critical of Hillary— um… it’s because she and her husband are out there acting like total spazzes, changing message, saying inappropriate things (and acting like it’s someone else’s fault) and so on—- they’re pure fodder for the media. They BEG for it.

Posted by: jsb | February 17, 2008, 1:42 am 1:42 am

I just did a poll of Google to see how related the word claws is to gender, and here are the results:
“HIS CLAWS” — 623,000 hits
“HER CLAWS” — 237,000 hits
In fact, the first result for “his claws” comes up with Guiliani. Draw your own conclusions, conspiracy theorists…

Posted by: Carl Sloan | February 17, 2008, 1:46 am 1:46 am

Obama is just another sexist, chauvinistic male with a wife who is willing to defend her husband because doing so is in line with her goal of getting the both of them to the White House.

Posted by: Laura | February 17, 2008, 1:51 am 1:51 am

Obama gets a free pass for a vicious campaign that flys just under the sight of broadcast and internet commentary.

Posted by: Edna | February 17, 2008, 1:59 am 1:59 am

lol That’s the “visionary Obama ” for ya. ” Get All Your Ray Ray’s out to vote” he said too. Seems that he must think he is ” superior” to most. Maybe that’s why he doesn’t think he needs to debate & explain his “visions”. He”s just smarter than everyone. All he has to do is give pep talks & everyone bows down.

Posted by: gh123 | February 17, 2008, 2:06 am 2:06 am

I’d like to know what the Democratic candidates and the democratic party are going to do when a substantial number of the women who have been keeping the part afloat for the past 25 years decide to skip voting. Or worse yet, decide to support republican candidates instead.
Women who want to see a woman president have only one point of leverage and that is to vote against the candidate who submarines their hopes.

Posted by: Annie | February 17, 2008, 2:15 am 2:15 am

Consider the source that said it….

Posted by: springH2O | February 17, 2008, 2:23 am 2:23 am

This is beyond silly. Why don’t you news people ever talk about her supposed experience? She is vetted, she is tested, she is ready! How? What did she ever accomplish? As a woman I am offended by her stance that so matter what her husband does she looks the other way. If she is such a big feminist why did she not use the bully pulpit of her co-presidentship to stand up for all those women who are abused and cheated on by their husbands who have affairs with young women at the office and say – “No! We do not have to stand for this. We do not have to sing ‘Stand By Your Man’ no matter what. We do not have to give our young sons and daughters the example that it is OK to lie and act in a morally bankrupt manner as long as you show up for work on time.” She has a chance to give an example to all women that they can say “Enough is enough” and she did not. We need someone who will provide an example of strong morals and family values for our young people. Barack is that person – along with being a brilliant man with better policies (see Robert Reich’s blog where he explains that his health care and social security policies are both better than HRCs), good judgment, amazing leadership abilities, capable money manager, creative log-jam breaking legislator. What more can we ask for? Do your own homework and you will see that he is clearly the best choice.

Posted by: jewish mom | February 17, 2008, 2:24 am 2:24 am

I’ve been more than a little distressed listening comments both from Obama and his supporters. I guess you could say a lot of we white, middle aged women who have our whole lives strived for racial equality, doing the right thing, caring very deeply for people of all races, are feeling very hurt right now. But, then, I think a good number of his supporters have to be in fact Republicans. What is his excuse? And, Ms Obama and her ‘tone’ comments? Unbelievable. I only hope if he does win that some of his liberal value rhetoric is true.

Posted by: betrayed | February 17, 2008, 2:33 am 2:33 am

Save the Country
Everyday from the moment little girls are born we are treated differently from the boys. Girls have to over come so much more than boys do. Little girls grow into women and challenges exists through out all our lives to be treated equally.
Think about this way: In our own families race seldom matters, but male and females most always are treated differently. Dolls or trucks, swing sets or climbing trees, girly girls or tom boys, girls are always different. Why do boys not have that difference? I would love a day when girls and boys were treated equally. But from to many posts I see here that day is…..
Senator Clinton will make a great President. Do not deny her that chance because she is woman. Do not deny all of us a great president. What would you tell the women in your life if you do? And how would you feel when someone treats the women in life that way?

Posted by: C DEPP | February 17, 2008, 2:35 am 2:35 am

Have anyone noticed the media is becoming more like a tabliod. I am African American and a female and I think that the media reference to race and gender in this campaign has been beyond despicable.Obama’s comments were simply not sexist, and anyone who says they were have a different agenda than arguing the truth. Just like Bill Clintons comments about Obama’s Iraq war vote being a “fairy tale” was’nt racist. It may have been a lie, but it was not racist. People please think for yourselves and stop being sheep for the mass media. We are going to need each other in the fall and we have let our emotions on both sides cloud our judgements.

Posted by: Rayne | February 17, 2008, 3:01 am 3:01 am

“In periods where there is no leadership, society stands still. Progress occurs when courageous, skillful leaders seize the opportunity to change things for the better.” (Harry Truman)
“Change things for the better”
Women, men, young,old, black,white,Latino, Asian…this isn’t about gender, age, ethnic background, its about hope, effort, leadership,judgement, and
integrity. So get over the “ist” bating
and focus on the big picture…Do we want drivers or mechanics. A race team
can only win with good people and technology, but the driver crosses the finish line. It’s one thing to be a problem solver, another to be a direction setter, navigator, and captain.

Posted by: Charlie | February 17, 2008, 3:15 am 3:15 am

As a Registered Democrat, I would gladly give GEORGE W BUSH a 3rd Term before giving HILLARY CLINTON her first term. I think that any American, male or female, who goes into a voting booth without coming to grips with the TRUTH about the CLINTONS and votes for Hillary is in effect undermining the basis of our democracy. When you REWARD leaders for outright FRAUD, DECEIT & MANIPULATION than there are no rights that they cannot take away from you. AMERICA, as much as Hillary’s Campaign wants to portray it that way, is not a country filled with MISOGYNISTS & BIGOTS. Sure, misogyny and bigotry exists, but if the only basis that you can rally support of naive and uneducated women is to engage in gender baiting you are simply not good enough to be my President.

Posted by: Christopher London | February 17, 2008, 3:19 am 3:19 am

When I heard Obama make his statement yesterday, referring to Clinton “…when she’s feeling down” to me it was code for saying she is emotional and therefore not capable to hold the job a man can do. He is playing a passive aggressive gender game. I remember back to the 1960′s when women were just beginning to make breakthroughs in business. I often heard woman being referred to as emotional or depressed. Obama’s comment is also projection because he doesn’t know how Hillary feels, only she knows how she feels. His comment is arrogant. Michele has also made sexist comments about Clinton. She as a woman should know better. One of her comments was that Hillary needed to get her own house in order. Well, media are you going to continune to give Obama a on pass on his sexism?

Posted by: elizabeth | February 17, 2008, 3:32 am 3:32 am

It’s funny, now that the media is finally doing it’s job on Barack Obama, his followers can’t take the heat. I am a sports fan, and have noticed how often, Obama panders to the male race in his “this must be March Madness”, and “just like the NY Giants, we are the underdogs.” Sexism is far more subtle than racism. What about his wife’s comments “how can she take care of the White House, when she can’t take care of her own house.” What a ridiculous statment. It takes women back 50 years. It’s the kind of show that Oprah might have hosted… oh, that was before… The race issue was not fostered by the Clintons, it was fostered by Obama’s campaign. Stop hiding behind your sexism, racism, your wife, and Oprah. You have provided very few solutions for our many problems. Hillary is a far stronger candidate. Sounds to me like a lot of men still don’t get it. If you can’t stand the heat-get out of the kitchen, or the race. This little comment by the media, is nothing compared to what the Republicans would do with Obama. Wake-up Obama supporters.

Posted by: Tammy | February 17, 2008, 3:57 am 3:57 am

The sad thing is Obama is using code words for white males to get a chuckle. He needs as many white male voters and they tend to be conservative, not quite ready to see a women in the white house. Problem also is the smugness that Obama supports are showing toward Hilliary supporters, if Obama does get the nod, you Obama supports are not enough to get him elected, I am tried of your out rigth disrespect for anyone who does not support your choice. I am from Illinois, I worked on Obama’s sentor race, but I think Obama needs to define his positions, great speaches are one thing, but not giving any defination is a problem. Though one thing is interesting, Obama need Oprah, for Iowa and South Carolina and that worked. But he lost Ma and Ca, even though he brought out Oprah, Maira and Caroline, along with Ted and Patrick, so why did he lose when he brought out the big backers????? Is it he can’t stand by himself??????

Posted by: Tammy | February 17, 2008, 3:59 am 3:59 am

I saw a Republican pundit on Larry King tonight, that when asked whom their party feared most, Hillary or Obama, said definitely Obama.
Then she immediately launched into a rehearsed recital of the reasons he was such an wonderful candidate.

Posted by: xist | February 17, 2008, 4:11 am 4:11 am

The PC police are alive and well-get a grip

Posted by: paul | February 17, 2008, 4:12 am 4:12 am

If anything, Tammy, that shows that Obama does BETTER when he stands alone, without the “big backers.” Are you really that bad at drawing conclusions?

Posted by: Carl Sloan | February 17, 2008, 4:16 am 4:16 am

Too little, too late is what they will say of the media’s eventual scrutiny of Senator Obama and his campaign. He has definitely made sexist comments, but as we move deeper and deeper into a society where winning is more important than anything else, stuff like being a sexist doesn’t really matter to many.
Think of how many football fans were rooting for the New England Patriots to win the Super Bowl and have an unbeaten season even though they were deemed cheaters by the NFL during their first game of the season.
Society will always be divided along certain lines and it’s funny how far people will go to rationalize what side of the line they are on.

Posted by: Big Sid | February 17, 2008, 4:21 am 4:21 am

I agree. Obama is being negative toward women. His comments belittle women and their intelligence. Isn’t it odd – a Africian American, member of a minority that is always claiming discrimination, is discriminating. At the least, he needs to attend a diversity class. I won’t help him get my vote, though. The last thing that I going to vote for is a man that thinks he is superior to the opposite gender.

Posted by: peghow | February 17, 2008, 4:27 am 4:27 am

Carl, if you think using Clinton’s former campaign manager David Axelrod, who has all the media and corporate connections in the world “standing alone”, it’s time to put down the Kool-Aid and walk away.

Posted by: xist | February 17, 2008, 4:28 am 4:28 am

xist, I may not be able to read, but where does Tammy mention Axelrod among her identification of Ted, Maira, Caroline, Patrick, Oprah, etc.?
Regardless, if you think Clinton’s team does not have the same (or better) people backing her, then “you need to put down the Kool-Aid” yourself. This is the Clintons–in addition to the family of three campaigning across the US right now, they have more media and political connections than anyone by a long-shot. To somehow believe that Obama is only winning because of his campaign manager is ABSURD. Even assuming Axelrod is God as you have done, it’s still Clinton’s fault for not retaining him. Great leaders pick their army well.

Posted by: Carl Sloan | February 17, 2008, 4:40 am 4:40 am

Jim it doesn’t surprise me that you do not understand sexism. You are not a woman. You haven’t walked in the shoes of a woman or experienced what it is like to be a female in America in the last 50 years. I remember back in the 1960′s, 70′s and 80′s when I heard men routinely referr to women in the workplace (at law firms and financial institutions) as emotional and depressed. So here Obama is referring to Clinton stating “periodically when she’s feeling down.” This is an old put down in code. I remember back to the 60′s men saying that a woman can’t be POUS because she can’t be trusted to control the Red Button…too emotional! Most of you younger women have no clue about what it was like to graduate from college, especially in the 60′s and 70′s and want to have a successful professional life and be thwarted by institutionalized patriarchy. Male comments about women being emotional and depressed were very common. The point was that women were not capable of holding “male” jobs or positions of power because we were unfit due to our emotional “temperament”, i.e. our hormones. Obama is not stupid. His remarks are passive aggressive and sexist. Perhaps he is blind to his own sexism, as others are blind about their own racism. But whether he consciously understands or not, he is talking as a sexist. One more point: Obama’s statement is projection. Besides only Hillary knows what she feels. It is arrogant for Obama to postulate how she feels. Not even a therapist can or should do that!

Posted by: elizabeth | February 17, 2008, 4:44 am 4:44 am

Wow,
to suggest that using words like “claws” and “feeling down” are sexist is really stupid. Do only female animals have claws? Do only women “feel down”? No, of course not. People who suggest this is sexist are going way, way overboard on PC. We have enough real issues to deal with without making an issue out of thin air.

Posted by: jay | February 17, 2008, 4:51 am 4:51 am

Articles like this will possibly mark the beginning of the end for Obama. The much-delayed media scrutiny is going to diminish his base of support in coming states and open people’s eyes to the level of scrutiny Clinton has endured.
Clinton deserves much of the scrutiny she’s gotten, and Obama deserves the scrutiny he will begin to receive (remember we’re voting for the President of the United States). The problem is that the levels of scrutiny have been at opposite ends of the spectrum. The big injustice so far was that the media was biased in favor of Obama and now the tide is turning.
I don’t want to see Obama destroyed, but I do want to see him questioned so we can at least see how he responds to the questioning.
It’s scary that we are on the verge of electing someone President simply because he says he can “unite people”. Honestly, what has he done other than simply say that?
Think of how unbalanced the playing field has been thus far in the primary season: Clinton’s accomplishments have been discarded and her plans have been dismissed while Obama’s accomplishments have been trumped up and his dreams have been praised. As the variables in this equation begin to change, the excitement and support for each candidate will as well.

Posted by: Big Sid | February 17, 2008, 4:55 am 4:55 am

OMG
Just imagine how bad the Clintons would be losing this if they did not have so many pawns among the party machine and the press.

Posted by: Max McGloin | February 17, 2008, 5:41 am 5:41 am

Those comments were sexist, as was the act of ‘helping’ her with her chair. This is a very calculating campaign. Here is a man, who on his African-American side, is only first generation, who enjoyed a Harvard education, as did his father, because of the hard work of the civil rights and feminism movements while he was still a toddler and before most of us were born. It makes me uncomfortable that his speeches are deliberately, in cadence and tone, like MLK’s. Obama’s not MLK. Yet, he uses his accent, stress and tone. When he won the sweep he used the word ‘struggle’. That’s only one example. He is very subtly working folks emotions over. And, it seems as if people have temporarily lost their ability to think. This is why I am very mistrustful of what is going on. Are we so tired of the bad daddy, we’re going to trade our autonomy and reason, for someone who at least is acting like a good daddy. I don’t know, but that combined with the repubs love of him and how this run has degenerated in race and gender give me the shakes. I don’t like his Reagan comment either. What worries me is I can’t get a handle on who he is because rational discussion seems to be impossible. I also believe he is far more vulnerable to being ‘swift-boated’.

Posted by: Concerned | February 17, 2008, 5:42 am 5:42 am

I also don’t like the myth that he is not a Washington insider. ha! He raised the most money! And, he’s going to change Washington? Both he and Clinton appear to be right of center dems. Not too different. So, I just don’t trust the myth that his campaign is perpetuating. And, I’m wary of another president who used drugs, or drank too much, or had another addiction and no program, to tell you the truth. He’s a unifier who’s dividing. However, he’s telling us what we want to hear. What we desperately need to hear. But, is it real? I think he should have waited to run.

Posted by: Concerned | February 17, 2008, 6:05 am 6:05 am

Big Sid – you said it very well! Obama has had a FREE RIDE to now and oh how he will cower and faulter under the pending SCRUTINY! Hillary Clinton has been slandered, lied about and scrutizned for 15 years. There really isn’t anything left to tell us about her. And she is stil standing. Mr Obama on the otherhand has successfully managed to evade major media scrutiny for the past month – how that has been possible remains a myster. Online, however, where mainstream media doesn’t rule – people do – the negative scrutiny has well and truly begun and not surprisingly there is MUCH negativity around which will surely burst the bubble that his been surrounding this candidate once the mainstream media stops is sexist support of Obama!

Posted by: Muzza | February 17, 2008, 6:21 am 6:21 am

Mike – dream on. Obama’s claim to have no links to “special interests” is amongst one of the biggest hoaxes of this political campaign – and there have been many coming from his campaign. He is as linked to “special interests” as any major politician which is not surprising because that’s the political culture in the USA. What is so infuriating and deceitful is that he tries to claim he is holier-than-thou and doesn’t associate with lobbyists and special interets groups. Spare us the lies – the evidence is everywhere! I am sure the Rezko tril coming up will shatter a few myths amongst the Obamamaniacs who blingly believe everything of their cult leader!

Posted by: Muzza | February 17, 2008, 6:25 am 6:25 am

Thank you. I told my mother the same thing last night–how Obama’s words were sexist. And you are exactly right–as if he would use those words if he were running against Edwards!
And your previous poster is correct also–him pulling out her chair did not escape me either.
The press treats him with kid gloves, yet they pounce on anything she says. They won’t even allow her to run a race. They have annointed him and he is where he is because of people like Chris Matthews–as he gets thrills up his leg!
Thank you for this piece. Articles pointing out any negative behavior by anyone other than Clinton are so few. I hope the press is proud of themselves. I am so mad that if Clinton does not get the nomination, I don’t even want to vote. ANd if they had allowed her to run a proper race, and Obama had gotten the nomination, I would not feel this way, but they have essentially muzzled her by treating him “special.”
Even on CNN last night, David Gergin — whom I typically love — was discussing whether the Republicans could “go after” Obama if he were the nominee, and Gergin said no, that they really couln’t. What is wrong with people? I sure in the hell don’t want to see any swift-boat ads, but since when is anyone so “special” that they get treated so?!

Posted by: Monique Viator | February 17, 2008, 6:36 am 6:36 am

I would have never known that those words would have came across as sexist without someone telling me so. Maybe he don’t know that people feel that way just as I didn’t.
Then again, a woman attacking you wouldn’t be the same as a man attacking you. Is it politics that makes it incorrect to specify?
Periodically, he does well in some states and she, looking like she’s desperate, goes on the attack.
Maybe it feels like claws more so than a baseball bat or rock. A bear has claws and an eagle has claws.
I don’t know what to make of any of it.
She can hold her own. SHE… can hold her own. She as in female. There’s nothing wrong with being a female or male. If she wins, SHE wins. A female.

Posted by: M Miller | February 17, 2008, 6:57 am 6:57 am

muzza, proof, not talk.

Posted by: Mike | February 17, 2008, 7:27 am 7:27 am

You cannot avoid media scrutiny. Guess how many journalists try to find offending material against Obama, but they just can’t. Sorry he was and still is a social worker. He could also have decided to be a lawyer, famous and rich by now. He graduated at Harvard with Magna cum Laude. Try that.
And I have to add that only cynics can think, that one can’t change the direction the country is moving. Even Bush could, though to the worst is always easier. With the right boss and a good team change is possible, and if not without fear mongering – good bye America, prepare to live in the 2nd world behind Europe and Asia.

Posted by: Mike | February 17, 2008, 7:42 am 7:42 am

Let’s see, when she starts losing, what do we get:
*Tears (twice)
*Incomplete facts (won’t debate, nuclear plant legislation which she voted for)
*Trying to change the rules (MI, FL – Ickes certainly has no shame…)
*Exageration (no substance, just words)
And now, accusations of sexism????
C’mon.
Politics is blood sport, and they’ll both do what it takes to win. And when you attack, don’t be surprised when you get a riposte…

Posted by: DH | February 17, 2008, 7:48 am 7:48 am

He’s been saying for a while not that “Hillary only had nice things to say about me when I was down, but now that she’s down she’s attacking me”
So he clearly only meant down as in, down in the polls, in other words that she’s losing the race, he wasn’t saying she is emotional.

Posted by: D | February 17, 2008, 7:59 am 7:59 am

author of Down and Dirt and a New Yorker ? that is deadly combo. My question is why are so Many New Yorkers and People from Florida hate Obama so much?

Posted by: Fred.T | February 17, 2008, 8:06 am 8:06 am

Yeah, I think some sexism is in there, and I think it’s good to have more women reporters on air (esp MSNBC) to call it out. No one ever says claws are out unless they’re talking about women. Periodically is almost subliminal. Feeling down–huh? 10 scale: Claws: 7; periodically: 3; feeling down: -2.

Posted by: Kathleen in Maine | February 17, 2008, 8:24 am 8:24 am

I’m so glad we now have an entire professional class dedicated to interpreting, or perhaps re-interpreting, the language for us commoners. I for one never thought the comments made by the Clinton’s during the South Carolina primary were racist, just petulant. Obama’s “when she’s down” comment seems to be a defensive jab at her advertisements. Anyone can read just about anything into words, hence thousands of years of violence and schism over things like the Bible. But if this is what “racism” and “sexism” have been reduced to, we truly have come a long way, and for the better.

Posted by: Tom | February 17, 2008, 8:28 am 8:28 am

Barak Obama started using this Sexist language when he began getting the white male vote.(good old boy language) THIS IS DISCRIMINATION, Barak…why the double standard here? You are appearing to be MORE OF THE SAME!
I guarantee that The “claws” remark did not get passed Working Women, who heard it, Of course it wasn’t played as much as the Bill Clinton remarks, more should have heard it. This and language like…”playing the Victim” “pimping out”, “tearing up”are all sexist remarks. This topic has been avoided by the media. These comments show that there is more Sexosm, than Racism.

Posted by: JR2008 | February 17, 2008, 8:43 am 8:43 am

Why is the media so concerned about what Obama said? HILLARY SAYS—WORDS DON’T MATTER.

Posted by: Greg | February 17, 2008, 9:05 am 9:05 am

“Pimped out” was an MSNBC reporter’s comment

Posted by: CT | February 17, 2008, 9:16 am 9:16 am

Unbelievable. Have feminists taken over this country or what? When Obama says “When she’s down” he clearly means down in the polls and behind in the delegate count. Why are so many feminists dying to read beyond that? He’s said many times that Hillary had no problem with him when he was down. Is that to be interpreted as Obama was down when he was on his “periodical”? Don’t be ridiculous people. If you don’t like Obama, don’t vote for him, but don’t go around calling him sexist. If anything, Hillary plays the gender card all the time. She’s said on many occasions that it would be a change just to have a Woman as president. You don’t hear Obama saying it would be a change just to have an African American in the White House, do you? You don’t hear anybody crying about that comment. Give us a break people.

Posted by: ClearHeaded | February 17, 2008, 9:18 am 9:18 am

I couldn’t be more of a women’s libber, and I am 56 yrs old. The Clinton’s are now pulling at straws, this is ridiculous, feeling down , ?? could it also refer to feelin’ down in the polls, lol…
For everyone’s info the younger lawyers today are also taught CONCILATORY LAW, THE Clintons are adversarial lawyers, they are the past. Obama not only understands conciliation law, it is his nature. He works with people to arrive at agreements, that is what will bring the nation together, the parties together, to get the work done , that needs to be done. Hillary will never get that type of cooperation, she is too adversarial. It is impossible to get reform or new legislation passed without cooperation and majority votes. Obama will get that . The new day has arrived, it is Time for Change .

Posted by: Jenan | February 17, 2008, 9:20 am 9:20 am

“You challenge the status quo and suddenly the claws come out.”
Only ones pedicure,
knows for sure.

Posted by: Philo | February 17, 2008, 9:30 am 9:30 am

all i know for sure is that hillary is crying again in milwaukee. sheesh! let’s not forget all the code words slick willie has been throwing around. he’s the one that brought out the race card. this is politics people. read your presidential election history. these two are merely slapping each other with soft cotton gloves. OMG! i said cotton! is that a code word?

Posted by: steinmania | February 17, 2008, 9:31 am 9:31 am

If Ann Coulter called herself a progressive, she’d be Taylor Marsh.
And why would Obama intentionally use language that offends women when he’s trying to get more support from women?

Posted by: Joseph | February 17, 2008, 9:34 am 9:34 am

What???? This is just plain bizarre. The media is really trying to create conflict for ratings.

Posted by: Lesley | February 17, 2008, 9:46 am 9:46 am

The only folks who would consider these words offensive to women are those extreme feminists who can’t stand ANY perceived threat to their “I am woman; hear me roar” every-man-is-out-to-get me stance. Why in the world would Obama use words in an attempt to dissuade women from voting for him? Knock the chip off your shoulder and cut the Hillary-spin. People (men and women) use words all day long–I’d hate to think we have to resort to never using words like polls, claws, and even the word ‘people’ because someone might put a spin on it in order to cream ‘foul’. Let’s use a LITTLE common sense.

Posted by: Janice | February 17, 2008, 9:51 am 9:51 am

People (mainly women) who agree with this article are sexist themselves. They put themselves in a mental state where they approve a gender-neutral physical concept such as claws being interpreted from womanized standpoint. They act presumptious as if they know the other person’s motivations and can think for them.
Isn’t that the same thing as saying “women think this” or “women do that”. You’re saying “Obama is thinking that” even though it’s not what the statement means to a modern US citizen (maybe in the 60s it did). Does this give me the right to guess your motivations being that you hate men? Hilary Clinton thinks she’s better than everyone else, she thinks she can just cry and manipulate people into empathy and get votes that way. I guess at least she’s not being sexist about it.

Posted by: Premier | February 17, 2008, 9:53 am 9:53 am

If the claws fit . . .

Posted by: Nobodys fool | February 17, 2008, 9:57 am 9:57 am

It is clear that Obama is sexist. Even his language from his earlier stump speeches when he was attacking Sen. Clinton. But no one will call him outright on that for fear of being labeled a racist.

Posted by: felicia | February 17, 2008, 10:05 am 10:05 am

This is embarassingly funny! What a BUNCH OF CRAP!
Sexist language —??? She gets on TV and CRIES!…. com’on. No other candidates have gotten on NATIONAL TV and cried.
You can’t have it both ways. She wants to be treated like a “girl”, in a rough and tumble mans world.
Also if you look at any videos of the two of them walking on or off stage, He always is a gentleman. He helps her up the stairs, and he pulls out her chair when she sits down.
I thought that was odd. I hadn’t seen any other candidates do that for her.
I told myself – “WHAT A REAL GENTLEMAN”.
Sexist language – he has been nothing but gracious. HIS MAMA – did a GREAT job with him. When is the last time you pulled out a chair for a lady or helped her up the stairs?????

Posted by: Traci | February 17, 2008, 10:05 am 10:05 am

Kathleen in Maine writes :” No one ever says claws are out unless they’re talking about women.” Pardon me, I thought he WAS talking a woman. Oh, I know, Hillary is the first woman to enter an up-to-now man’s arena (the Presidency). But men (and women, too, I suppose) are supposed to make sure that as a woman, she isn’t offended by what some percieve as slams to her gender? And this is the ‘strong’ image you want to project for women?? The problem here is that feminists just look for comments they can twist around–heaven help her if she has to deal with Republicans. Every indescretion of hers AND Bill’s will be out in the open–I think THAT will present more of a problem to her than someone referring to her ‘claws’.

Posted by: Get a grip | February 17, 2008, 10:05 am 10:05 am

CT (Post 10:05): LOVED your post!! Especially the McCain/Huckabee part.

Posted by: Janice | February 17, 2008, 10:10 am 10:10 am

When Clinton was ahead, she was accused of being a racist pig. Now that Obama is ahead he is being accused of being a sexist pig. It seems that the right wing media, and the right wing suck-ups in the media, are going to attack any Democrat who’s the front runner. They’re in the tank for the McCain. And will always try to sew discord between the Democrats by throwing out racist/sexist and other accusations. And the sad thing is the Democrats are foolish enough to fall for it.

Posted by: KeenObserverof the Media | February 17, 2008, 10:12 am 10:12 am

Obama is inspiring and has developed a cult following much like Hitler did. Are we going to fall for that again?

Posted by: Terry | February 17, 2008, 10:15 am 10:15 am

Traci, you’re sexist against men, you just want a woman in power. A power-hungry manipulative woman who already had a taste in the white house and will stop at nothing.

Posted by: Premier | February 17, 2008, 10:16 am 10:16 am

I’d be more worried about the anonymous, Terri :P

Posted by: Premier | February 17, 2008, 10:18 am 10:18 am

The most remembered sexist statement in the history of America came from Hillary’s husband Bill.
We all remember – “I did not have sexual relations with – THAT WOMAN”
“THAT WOMAN”

Posted by: Old School Fan | February 17, 2008, 10:18 am 10:18 am

Premier – you must have read my post wrong!
“Traci, you’re sexist against men”.
My observations have been – Obama has shown that he is a Gentleman. Very well mannered. That’s not sexist. That’s just old school – home training.
When I grew up, boys had manners. and so did most girls. Regardless of stature or position, men were taught to open doors and pull out chairs for a lady. THAT’S NOT SEXIST.

Posted by: Traci | February 17, 2008, 10:25 am 10:25 am

Apologies, Traci, I mistook felicia’s post as being written by you. :/
I do believe chivalry is a form of sexism, although not an ill-mannered hateful one like what you see from a lot of ‘feminists’ here. A true feminist strives for male rights as well, in areas such as child custody where males are discriminated against.

Posted by: Premier | February 17, 2008, 10:36 am 10:36 am

My advice to my fellow feminists is to grow up. Creating a media storm over something this ridiculous just demeans us all.
If you want to get upset about something [even though it's true], accept that Obama’s reference was to HRC’s reputation for going on the attack when things aren’t going well for her. That’s a human response, and there is nothing sexist about commenting on it.
I hate that *every* media outlet has become a tabloid, constantly looking for a personal fight to exploit… rather than address the major problems this country is facing.

Posted by: bjw | February 17, 2008, 10:42 am 10:42 am

“the CLAWS come out”
That is a term that is used in reference to females (or perhaps drag queens.)
One could not imagine John McCain talking about Mitt Romney and saying “that’s when his claws come out.”
It is certainly sexist and speaks to Obama’s thought process regarding Clinton’s gender.

Posted by: Lezident | February 17, 2008, 10:44 am 10:44 am

Alas, people like Lezident will always remain ignorant. No matter how much reason and proof you throw in their face. Like googling “his claws” and getting more results than “her claws” for such a “female” concept. Or John McCain’s claws being mentioned.

Posted by: Premier | February 17, 2008, 10:50 am 10:50 am

I KNEW the Aussies were impugning the mannhood of McCain!!!!
“John McClain claws past Mike Huckabee” – Melbourne Herald-Sun, Feb. 12

Posted by: CT | February 17, 2008, 10:50 am 10:50 am

To Lezident – I guess you missed this previous post:
I just did a poll of Google to see how related the word claws is to gender, and here are the results:
“HIS CLAWS” — 623,000 hits
“HER CLAWS” — 237,000 hits
In fact, the first result for “his claws” comes up with Guiliani. Draw your own conclusions, conspiracy theorists…
Carl Sloan on Feb. 17th

Posted by: bjw | February 17, 2008, 10:51 am 10:51 am

Obama is old fashioned. They want us to make us believe that super empowered Michelle is a career woman…she took that job to be close to school kids while he commutes (they don´t live in DC) to his apt in DC….very macho macho

Posted by: Fernando | February 17, 2008, 11:11 am 11:11 am

The one thing that I’m a little bit suspect of is O’donnell has always been obviously repub in her comments and Mitchell has been one of the worst HRC bashers in the media ……so whats in it for them???
after weeks of anointing the chosen one…they suddenly see something negative??????????

Posted by: indigogrrl | February 17, 2008, 11:15 am 11:15 am

Good grief — they are starting to quote Taylor Marsh! Everytime I hear this woman or read her rants I am struck by how much she reminds me of Ann Coulter. Two sides to the same coin with ultimately the same agenda — self-promotion by tweaking the public’s ignorance and bigotry and using their personal sex-appeal to do it! Its all distracting nonsense folks — Hillary is probably one of the most priviledged people in the world. She is not a victim.

Posted by: donna L. | February 17, 2008, 11:29 am 11:29 am

Well if this isn’t newsworthy I don’t want to hear the Obama camp or any of his supporters crying about race anymore.

Posted by: Tim K | February 17, 2008, 11:42 am 11:42 am

Why would Sen. Obama alienate a voting bloc (women) with a remark like that? Why would Sen. Clinton and her supporters accuse him of sexist language? I wonder. More head games from Camp Clinton? More of the “Politics of Personal Destruction” for which they are so reknowned and at which they are so skilled?

Posted by: davie | February 17, 2008, 11:46 am 11:46 am

Thank you, Janice (Posted Feb 17, 2008 10:10:34 AM).
Unfortunately, they deleted that post and a subsequent one. My sin, it appears, is citing other sources (I was always taught not to plagiarize)
And here I was simply trying to inject some humor.
So I’ll leave this debate and enjoy myself somewhere else.

Posted by: CT | February 17, 2008, 11:47 am 11:47 am

I suspecte those who find the sexist language so offensive are those who are in most despair at the current state of the Hillary Clinton campaign and are grasping at whatever defense they can to explain what has gone wrong for their candidate. Rather than looking at a grossly mismanaged effort made by a woman who is touting both her judgment and experience as being ‘right from day one,’ this candidate has been consistently out-maneuvered, out-thought, out-planned, and out-smarted. Rather than focus on whether one or two words have different meanings depending on the point you are trying to make, you folks should be thinking about the bigger picture: how could a candidate who started the campaign with a double-digit lead, a huge political machine, and a presumptive nod as the Democratic nominee be struggling for her presidential life against an upstart the Clintons are trying to paint as too inexperienced and naive to be a serious contender?
If the Clintons and their minions are reduced to finding flaws in words spoken, I think it says a lot about the state of their candidancy–as does Clinton’s early departure from a state she barely campaigned in.

Posted by: Kitty | February 17, 2008, 11:49 am 11:49 am

Here’s exactly, word for word, what Senator Obama said: “I understand Senator Clinton periodically when she is feeling down launches attacks as a way of trying to boost her appeal.”
That’s a subtle but very deliberate revival of the old “raging hormonal imbalance” BS–the claim that a woman shouldn’t be trusted with the red button on the oval office desk. If he had simply said “when she’s feeling down” it might be interpreted as having to do with polls–but his use of the word “periodically” is the tipoff to what he was really saying.
Way to go, Barack–if the aim is to make inroads among male voters who are supporting Hillary. Some of them may not be aware that at age 60 she’s probably post-menopausal (like me) and therefore doesn’t suffer from PMS.
BTW, my husband picked up on it immediately too–so it’s not just us “old feminists” who object to this kind of sexist campaign rhetoric.

Posted by: DottieG | February 17, 2008, 11:49 am 11:49 am

Clinton is simply trying to whip up a little outrage to help her candidacy. I’ve never seen someone use the “gender card” so flagrantly. ANYTHING to WIN!

Posted by: Penny | February 17, 2008, 11:50 am 11:50 am

If I used those code words at home there would be no food for a week.
No words though top the magical “calm down honey”

Posted by: flyover | February 17, 2008, 12:01 pm 12:01 pm

Funny how the actual quote “when she’s down” has become “when she’s feeling down”. Listen to his whole statement. He was talking about her being down in the polls, not down emotionally. I’ll give you the claws bit, bad move on his part. But don’t start this word parsing. It doesn’t speak well to Clinton’s toughness that she likes to site so much.

Posted by: vrk | February 17, 2008, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm

OBAMA has given her plenty to “feel down about”. She thought that this entire election process was just going to be a “formality” to her crowning.
She thought Obama was a light weight.
SURPRISE! HONEY! It’s not!
OBAMA 08 – WE NEED FRESH AIR!

Posted by: Old School Fan | February 17, 2008, 12:06 pm 12:06 pm

Why are being “down” or “claws coming out” supposedly female references? As a woman, I really don’t get it. I think the women bringing up this issue are sexist themselves. I have used the terms “claws coming out” a lot over the years, and 90% of the time it was in reference to men. What it really is, is a reference to instinctive, animialistic behaviors (afterall, humans don’t have “claws”). As far as “feeling down”, yes, I could see Obama making that reference about Edwards or any other man. He could have said a lot worse about Hillary, like her penchant for putting her personal ambition over the best interests of America.
Hillary didn’t give a crap about women during Bill’s presidency,(and long term history of sexually predator behavior against women). Nor has she voted in women’s best interest on economic and poverty issues as a NY Senator. Now suddenly we are to believe that she is some champion of women? Hardly. The women supporting her who try to put some feminist spin on her candidacy are part of why women continue to struggle for equality. If I wanted a corrupt president, there are plenty of corrupt men I can vote for. Hillary is about as misogynistic as men in leadership.
Obama may be a misogynist too, but these comments don’t reflect it. If anything, his lack of having a category for women’s issues under his issues section is a bigger concern regarding his attitude toward women. None of the candidates in either Party are particularly encouraging. They only remind me just how far regressed this country is.
Of course, all the media…including ABC…engage in sexism on a daily basis in their news and programming.
Women are the majority in this country but still act like a minority. When we have a race with a Elizabeth Edwards/Michelle Obama ticket against a Judith Giuliani/Ann Romney ticket…then we can talk about progress. Why these women who are so much stronger than their husbands continue to take a back seat is beyond me.

Posted by: Cheri | February 17, 2008, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm

I can’t believe this is an issue.
No one called him out when he helped her up the stairs to the platform on the CNN debates.
No one called him out when he pulled out her chair for her – before the debates in Los Angeles.
He is a perfect Gentleman!
AND – SHE DOES HAVE CLAWS.
She wants to fight it out in a traditionally MANS WORLD. But now she wants to complain – caused they said “claws”.
To solve the mess that the Bush Administration has left….SHE BETTER HAVE CLAWS and SOME BIG BALLS to GO WITH THEM. WHOM EVER WINS HAS A LOT OF WORK TO DO!

Posted by: Traci | February 17, 2008, 12:11 pm 12:11 pm

I am a 53 year old woman and practicing attorney with three children. I am conscoius of sexism and confront it when I see it. But ladies, this one goes too far. Are you saying that use of the word “periodically” references Hillary’s menstrual cycle? Come on now. You are stretching this a bit far. It make us look ridiculous. By the way, the press reported that Hillary was feeling down after her last defeats and she did come back with a negative ad campaign.

Posted by: Jane | February 17, 2008, 12:16 pm 12:16 pm

I am a 53 year old woman and practicing attorney with three children. I am conscoius of sexism and confront it when I see it. But ladies, this one goes too far. Are you saying that use of the word “periodically” references Hillary’s menstrual cycle? Come on now. You are stretching this a bit far. It make us look ridiculous. By the way, the press reported that Hillary was feeling down after her last defeats and she did come back with a negative ad campaign.

Posted by: Jane | February 17, 2008, 12:16 pm 12:16 pm

It is clearly sexism. He would not use that phrase had it been McCain.
So now we can add sexist as well as racist to his resume. What a Bozo this guy really is… and so proAfrica, he is also almost antiAmerican. And he wants to be the American President?

Posted by: PMC | February 17, 2008, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm

Let’s try this one again:
If any of you are such a feminists that you put your candidate’s fate above the success of the Democratic party, then I say you need to look at yourself closely to determine if you are a democrat because you believe in what the party stands for or if you are a democrat because you idealize one particular member of the party. If the fact is that you will not support the party because your candidate loses, I suspect you really don’t care as much about the nation as you may claim. If you can so easily transfer loyalties to the Republican machine and support the war-mongerers, the torturers, the folks who destroyed the economy, took away our civil liberties, and continue to grow rich while the rest of us grow poor, then what does that say about the depths of you democratic party support?
The fact is that this nomination is going to be determined by the people who vote; Hillary still has a good chance of pulling it out if she can convince the electorate to trust her and support her. But if she can’t, then those of you who can’t swallow hard and do what is right for America will help the Republicans remain in power for the next four years–and help America stay in a war zone for the next 100 years and help the economy continue its downward slide.
No matter who our candidate is, it seems to me that a Democrat in the WH is still a better way to go that another Republican, and those among us who cling to a single candidate–whichever one that may be–to the extent they help the ‘other team’ win are putting personality above politics.

Posted by: Tika2 | February 17, 2008, 12:24 pm 12:24 pm

For the record:
A comment Obama made at Tulane University here before announcing the matchups suggested he expected a fight. “They like you when you are 20 points down, but when you start actually challenging the status quo, then the claws come out,” he said.

Posted by: DH | February 17, 2008, 12:33 pm 12:33 pm

OBAMA sounds like the US is the worst nation on earth. To him every thing must change.
I wish to remind him that this is the greatest country on earth and a beacon of hope for all mankind. That is why his Muslim father migrated from his failed country called Kenya and came to the US.
There is nothing wrong with our nation that needs an immigrate son from a third world to fix
Please fellow americans sit up and do not let sweet talk lead you into making a mistake you will never have the chance to correct.

Posted by: Mark | February 17, 2008, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm

You might want to check the Constitution – you have to be born in the US to run for president…

Posted by: DH | February 17, 2008, 12:40 pm 12:40 pm

We’re all pretty much descendants of immigrants, including the Native Americans, who came across the land bridge from Asia…

Posted by: Conn | February 17, 2008, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm

I believe that Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton should issue a joint statement apologizing for any racist and/or sexist comments that either they or their supporters have made so far, and at the same time calling upon their supporters and on the general public to eliminate both the words and the spirit of discrimination from the campaign for President, during the primaries and also AFTER.

Posted by: mel | February 17, 2008, 1:14 pm 1:14 pm

Wow, so Obama is switching from inspiring rhetoric to attacking another candidate instead of highlighting his own plans and “dreams” for the country.
Sounds like the same old politics of Washington. Attack. Attack. Something Obama has clearly said he is not about.
With front-runner status comes more scrutiny. With Obama leading by a mere 25 delegates and losing in polls in Ohio, Texas and Pennsylvania; large states that are essential for Democrats to win in order to take back the White House, his rhetoric and plans have fallen apart. He has sent mailers that are lies about Clinton’s NAFTA position to thousands of households in Ohio. Attempts to mislead in order to distort a position to gain votes. That is more similar to George W Bush’s tactic to enter war. Mislead with facts in order to gain support.
I have yet to hear any question addressed to Obama about an earmark to his wife’s employer for $5 million dollars. An unncessary tax payer expense since the same hospital that employee Michelle Obama made an annual profit of $100 million dollars. Since when does the new politics of “change” involve financial favors for a candidates wife? Since that same favor resulted in a raise to Michelle Obama’s annual salary?
Just seeing and hearing “the same old politics of Washington”. The more Obama speaks out against others his own failings are further exposed.
Shame. Shame.
Sexist attacks by Obama. More of the same. No new direction. What a fraud !

Posted by: Jamie | February 17, 2008, 1:34 pm 1:34 pm

This is so dumb. Why is this an issue. Abc must need ratings! Is it possible that the news media have nothing else to talk about? Can they talk about REAL ISSUES?

Posted by: Donna Skiliski | February 17, 2008, 1:36 pm 1:36 pm

Since when is gender discrimination not a ‘real issue’??

Posted by: mel | February 17, 2008, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm

Of course he is ,, those who have the ear muffs on,, dont want to hear that he is,, but smart woman are picking it up and for those who say big media backs Clinton what a joke you hear more newsman saying shes grasping at straws and Obama is a must, what ever ,, its about time someone ask those questions im tired of hearing how and what a great man he is well i was taught were theres great men, there are skeletons in his closet,those put on a pedistal usually does haves something to keep underwrapps,,,,, but hey im only a voter,, but in due time someone will discover what he is truly made of,,Hes just too good to be true,, so theres something but hey eventually the stars will fall ,, and then it will click in the minds of all Americans, and as good Americans we will just deal with it,,,,,,

Posted by: vimed | February 17, 2008, 2:36 pm 2:36 pm

There’s no doubt Obama’s being patronizing, whether it’s intentional or not. It’s unfortunate that in this campaign the sensitivities are turned up high on issues of race and not on issues of gender. It appears to be a tactic, unfortunately. Former President Clinton’s comments preceding South Carolina were interpreted as racist, even if that was not his intention, and much of the campaign turned on that. But Obama says things like, “You’re nice enough, Hillary,” and the other examples above in the article, often enough that it’s troublesome. I have to believe he’s being completely dismissive of her and trying to appeal to a segment of the electorate that would respond to that tactic. I find it patently offensive. It will be a glorious day in this country when we are truly colorblind and genderblind in campaigns; unfortunately, that day has not yet come, and after this election, we may be even more divided than before. If Obama is a uniter and not a divider, he’ll have to address that.

Posted by: Wisconsin Dem | February 17, 2008, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm

If the Hillary people and feminists are going to get upset about this, how is the campaign going to withstand McCain?
I think Obama has been a gentleman to hold back in listing ALL of the scandals about the Clintons, but McCain won’t.
If this is all you can dig up on Obama, then he must be pretty clean. I am not offended, and I am a woman.
Clinton does offend me, however. I want a woman president some day, but if she wins and does the kind of manipulating and dividing she has in the past, no one will be receptive when an HONEST woman runs for the office.
This sounds like junior high girls whining about nothing. Get over it and look at the important issues.
By the way, I am a woman and if a man has his hands full, I open the door for him. It is just courtesy. Period. Oops–did I say an offensive word? I meant the punctuation that comes at the end of the sentence.

Posted by: Linda | February 17, 2008, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm

There is a huge difference between saying someone is “clawing their way to the top” and “the claws come out.” The first could be applied to any gender but the second is a reference to strictly women. Anyone who would say otherwise is not being honest. I do think it is just an attempt to stir the pot by the media the same way they tried to stir things up by saying Bill made racial comments.

Posted by: Firefigher | February 17, 2008, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm

In the upcoming Democratic presidential primary, Wisconsin voters are blessed with two candidates who are smart, energetic and forward-looking. Nonetheless, the state’s residents have to decide who will be the most qualified starting on the first day in the Oval Office. My choice is Hillary Clinton.
I have had the good fortune to observe Clinton’s career while living in New York. Up close, she is an unusually tough and savvy as well as charming political figure. While not as visible as Mayor Rudy Giuliani on 9/11, she showed great mastery in the difficult days after the attacks in helping to bring about the physical and emotional recovery of New York City and gaining federal assistance for ground zero workers exposed to toxic air.
As important, in her eight years in the Senate, she has compiled a strong liberal voting record in the tradition of Wisconsin’s great Sens. Bob La Follette and Gaylord Nelson. While she has known defeats (e.g., health care in 1994), she has turned her reversals into legislative prowess on Capitol Hill.
Her work on the Armed Services Committee and her fact-finding visits overseas belie the notion that she has limited foreign policy experience. Her vote for the congressional resolution on Iraq in 2002 was a vote for continued weapons inspection and diplomacy and in opposition to pre-emptive war, as she clearly stated in her Senate floor speech. Today she is trying to prevent the establishment of permanent U.S. bases in Iraq by requiring prior congressional approval for any such outposts.
Of extraordinary importance, she has taken the lead on the most important economic crisis to face our country in decades. She was among the first of the Democratic contenders to propose a bold economic recovery program designed to rescue the nation from recession. Over a month ago, Clinton advocated for $70 billion in emergency spending and a backup of a $40 billion tax rebate should economic conditions worsen. Hers is a direct attempt to help the most threatened people in America — namely, lower-income families facing foreclosures of their mortgages, those in need of home heating aid, and people who require extended jobless benefits.
Her opponent, Sen. Barack Obama, belatedly came out with his own plan, which seemingly lifts most of his ideas straight out of Clinton’s proposal.
On a more specific level, Clinton’s recommendations on helping Americans caught in the subprime mortgage mess are far-reaching. She has called for a moratorium on foreclosures, a freezing of interest rates, the use of federal subsidies to help homeowners keep up with payments and restructure loans, and augmented regulation of the financial industry.
Obama has come up with an alternative plan, which, by contrast, does none of these things but tinkers around the edges. He backs a bill against mortgage fraud, supports an average $500 tax credit for homeowners, and endorses additional funding for a limited class of homeowners. His is a tepid response to an enormous tragedy.
In many ways, Clinton is to the left of Obama. She has outlined a program of universal health insurance — meaning that every person in America would be covered. By contrast, his plan is more restrictive and would leave millions of people uncovered.
Lastly, Clinton is a fighter for change. Obama, on the other hand, is a self-described conciliator. What Democrats want today, however, is a battler, not a mediator. They have suffered enough from the vicious blows of President Bush and the Republicans. What the party needs is a nominee who will take the contest directly to the opposition. Come the fall showdown, a candidacy of “friendly persuasion” is going to be Swift-boated into oblivion.

Posted by: Amber | February 17, 2008, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm

Obama is using sexist language. No doubt. He wants to win, and he thinks that crapping on dames is the way to do it!

Posted by: Freddie | February 17, 2008, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm

I am not surprised that Obama is playing this card. He is desperate to keep those distracted from the issues. He has a cult following of people that cannot think for themselves. They “feel good” about him but can say very little more. I prefer a resume over a “feeling.” He is being funded by corporate lawyers now who surround him. It will be interesting when the Republicans get to him if he actually gets a chance. I will never vote for Obama. I don’t trust him.

Posted by: Trustmiracles | February 17, 2008, 4:20 pm 4:20 pm

Chemistry must be sexist too, then… “Periodic” Table of Elements?!? –CHAUVINISM!!

Posted by: Ridiculous Nonsense | February 17, 2008, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm

The fact that professional women like Andre Mitchell and Nora O’Donnell had such a conversation is an embarrassment. As a woman, I find it extremely depressing that some women want to cry sexism anytime something uncomplimentary is uttered about Senator Clinton. This is not an accurate representation of the situation and quite frankly, it does more harm than good.

Posted by: BT | February 17, 2008, 4:57 pm 4:57 pm

Yes, Obama is a skilled orator and he knows exactly what he is saying and what idea he is planting. I honestly don’t think he likes Hillary and it shows in his belittling comments – “you’re nice enough”. Now if she says anything he shoots it down making her seem emotional, silly or not as qualified as he is. Seriously, how many times does this happen to women at work with men? I was thinking the other day when I read about a brutal rape crime that is would be a real shame if Hillary were not elected and women’s rights issues continued to be on the back burner. There are serious issues for women around the world – horrible injustices – and having a female leader of the strongest nation on Earth would send a loud and clear message. If she is not elected, any world traveler knows, you just know in the pit of your stomach, that someone on some train or subway is going to say to you, “America was not for a woman president.” It makes me sick. For all these reasons, I support Hillary.

Posted by: MB | February 17, 2008, 5:16 pm 5:16 pm

Sorry, but I think this is nonsense.
I remember the Clinton campaign saying that Obama was “frustrated” after the loss in NH. It was a bit obnoxious, but certainly not charged in a racist or sexist way, and neither were Obama’s comments.

Posted by: Sue | February 17, 2008, 6:03 pm 6:03 pm

I think some people need to put the tinfoil hats away.

Posted by: Mr Beale | February 17, 2008, 6:05 pm 6:05 pm

FROM MB: “Yes, Obama is a skilled orator and he knows exactly what he is saying and what idea he is planting. I honestly don’t think he likes Hillary and it shows in his belittling comments – ‘you’re nice enough’.”
For the 12 months before this debate, Hillary, Obama, and the other Democratic candidates have been battling through 15 debates–and he’d been listening to her campaign belittle his qualifications and make a not very subtle implication that he shouldn’t be challenging them. In his shoes, I’d have trouble agreeing that she was being “nice” either
FROM MB: “Now if she says anything he shoots it down making her seem emotional, silly or not as qualified as he is. Seriously, how many times does this happen to women at work with men?”
And how many times does this happen at work between men and men and between women and women?
At least in my dozen or so years at work, I’ve heard at least twice as many women making those types of comments than men. And how frequently has Hillary said that she’d be “Ready on Day One [while] some of are not?”–is this not an effort to make Obama look silly?
If he was a man, yes, instead of saying “claws,” the more common term is “fangs”–but the implication is the same. Since a vampire is often portrayed a man, an opposing male candidate is described as bearing his “fangs” when he’s challenged. Just as women are rarely referred to as “he” or “him” in normal English, a gender-appropriate description should not be read as necessarily sexist. The Clinton campaign is certainly not holding back with its language or its willingness to use common political put-downs.
Would you have noted the same language if it was used between male candidates? This type of language and these types of comments has been used between male candidates (and especially male presidential candidates) for generations.
FROM MB: “I was thinking the other day when I read about a brutal rape crime that is would be a real shame if Hillary were not elected and women’s rights issues continued to be on the back burner. There are serious issues for women around the world – horrible injustices – and having a female leader of the strongest nation on Earth would send a loud and clear message.”
Rape is a brutal and unforgivable crime. PERIOD.
The injustices suffered by women around the world are unconscionable and deserve attention. PERIOD.
However, it’s debatable whether a President Hillary Clinton would be a greater positive for women or women’s rights than a President Obama.
Michelle Obama is clearly a very poised, very successful, very professional, and very influential woman–I’m certain he’ll be sleeping on an Oval Office couch if he doesn’t approach women’s issues respectfully.
If a President Clinton II continued to fight the GOP to a stalemate and continued to allow important issues to fail due to partisan stubbornness and an inability to compromise and if partisan hatred is exacerbated by the election and if the administration is unduly swayed by the influence of a very powerful First Spouse and if Washington continued to be influenced largely by those with interest in the status quo rather than by a larger public interest–the presumption that Hillary would necessary address women’s issues more successfully should not be a given.

Posted by: ZA | February 17, 2008, 6:30 pm 6:30 pm

OBAMA: SCARY MESSIAH FIGURE?

Barack Obama has been successful in the Democratic primaries and caucuses largely because he doesnt seem as threatening as Hillary Clinton. Even for Democrats, Hillary is a little scary. I mean, were talking about someone who sees polit…

Posted by: Health Care BS | February 17, 2008, 6:30 pm 6:30 pm

“Feeling down”?
“PERIODICALLY”???
Get real, people. Just as there are “code words” for different minorities and ethnic backgrounds, there are code words for gender.
I had my wife (who voted for Obama, by the way) read a straight-news report of these comments on CBSNews.com (sorry Jake, had to get her unfiltered view).
She was, in a word, furious. I’m not a woman, but I take her at her word.
Obama Supporters, think for a second. Imagine the roles were reversed. Clinton was up slightly in the polls, having surged ahead due to a string of victories. Obama runs a negative ad and when asked for her reaction she replies, “Well, it’s unfortunate that instead of trying to overcome these losses, Senator Obama is just sort of shuffling along, lobbing negative attacks from the porch instead of working hard and offering solutions.”
Are you telling me the Obama staff wouldn’t flip? You telling me the mostly-pro-Obama media wouldn’t go ballistic on Clinton?

Posted by: Mark Addison | February 17, 2008, 7:12 pm 7:12 pm

Americans are tired of being deceived and manipulated by these Bush-Clinton politics. It’s time to restore honesty and integrity to the White House.

Posted by: Matt | February 17, 2008, 7:38 pm 7:38 pm

We now present to you. The next President of the United States of America.
Hillary Clinton!

Posted by: Future | February 17, 2008, 7:59 pm 7:59 pm

Mr. Addison: What if she replied … “Well, it’s unfortunate that instead of trying to overcome these losses, Senator Obama is just sort of shuffling along, lobbing negative attacks from the porch instead of working hard and offering solutions.”
She said almost exactly that last night:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/17/us/politics/17obama.html?_r=1&ei=5088&en=1e8e436b9a3effb5&ex=1360904400&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&adxnnlx=1203297092-nhxzHQwNbwq+ScwxptTBFw
“Mrs. Clinton … spent days criticizing her rival while campaigning in Ohio, where the primary is March 4. In city after city, she warned voters about politicians who offered oratory steeped with big promises but ultimately did not deliver.
‘Speeches don’t put food on the table,’ said Mrs. Clinton, of New York. ‘Speeches don’t fill up your tank, or fill your prescription, or do anything about that stack of bills that keeps you up at night.’
The long-distance message — ‘My opponent gives speeches; I offer solutions’ — clearly was heard here in Wisconsin.”
No need to depend on an imagination for that.

Posted by: ZA | February 17, 2008, 8:17 pm 8:17 pm

Women, black, brown or white recognize the “Obama” type. He is the smiling guy in the wingtips who gets hired into the company and thinks he has all the answers. He smiles and talks nice and then the woman trains him to take over her job (usually for more $$) or he becomes her boss although he knows little or nothing about the operation. Borack Hussain Obama uses “code” words to belittle Senator Clinton.

Posted by: RealityCheck | February 17, 2008, 8:17 pm 8:17 pm

Matt, those very same words are stated in every single election.

Posted by: irma | February 17, 2008, 8:25 pm 8:25 pm

I agree: He wouldn’t have used those words and phrases against a male candidate. Thank you for blogging about this. Very perceptive.

Posted by: tara | February 17, 2008, 10:46 pm 10:46 pm

I’m not sure if it’s sexist, but it’s certainly condescending. It’s not an anomaly, either; I’ve noticed many such comments by him that are arrogant and dismissive and quite harsh. When I heard him talk about Hillary being “down,” I thought, what a jerk. It was one more reminder why I don’t like him, and why I’m baffled that his sometimes prickly personality hasn’t turned people off, especially the press. (But then G W Bush was similarly snotty, and you guys lapped it up.)
Though I’m hardly a Mitt Romney fan, I heard a similar tone in comments Obama made about him not long before Rommney dropped out of the Republican race. (Something like “statements like those are why he’s been such an ineffective candidate.”) He also got in a very unsubtle shot at McCain, praising — backhandedly — his “50 years of service to this county.” So, I guess you can add “ageism” to his list of verbal sins.
I can’t understand why his cockiness and frequent disdain for other candidates has never been discussed. (“Yeah, she’s likeable enough.”) But then, there are a lot of things about Obama that haven’t been discussed.
Here’s one: how Obama and his campaign quietly fueled the whole Clinton-race-baiting firestorm, which, true or not (and I think not) has been the single greatest reason Hillary’s losing right now.
But if her campaign should try to highlight his remarks, it will be “just the same old Washington politics.”
I tell you, the guy is good.

Posted by: suzyqueue | February 17, 2008, 11:19 pm 11:19 pm

I’m not sure if he’s it’s sexist, but it’s certainly condescending. It’s not an anomaly, either; I’ve noticed many such comments by him that have been arrogant and dismissive and quite harsh. When I heard him talk about Hillary being “down,” I thought, what a jerk. It was one more reminder why I don’t like him, and why I’m baffled that his sometimes prickly personality hasn’t turned people off, especially the press. (But then G W Bush was similarly snotty, and you guys lapped it up.)
Though I’m hardly a Mitt Romney fan, I heard a similar tone in comments Obama made about him not long before Rommney dropped out of the Republican race. (Something like “statements like those are why he’s been such an ineffective candidate.”) He also got in a very unsubtle shot at McCain, praising — backhandedly — his “50 years of service to this county.” So, I guess you can add “ageism” to his list of verbal sins.
I can’t understand why his cockiness and frequent disdain for other candidates has never been discussed. But then, there are a lot of things about Obama that haven’t been discussed.
Here’s one: how Obama and his campaign quietly fueled the whole Clinton-race-baiting firestorm, which, true or not (and I think not) has been the single greatest reason Hillary’s losing right now.
But if her campaign should try to highlight his remarks, it will be “just the same old Washington politics.”
I tell you, the guy is good.

Posted by: suzyqueue | February 17, 2008, 11:21 pm 11:21 pm

Wait a second. Code words work both ways. It’s true that Obama’s words play into HRC’s moody swings. But her words play into racial stereotypes too although VERY well coded. She (and Bill) always refer to his words as “cheap” and she says she will WORK for change and really emphasizes work. Does this mean O will NOT work for change but just talk about it? Obviously not, but the Clinton code is about race, that is, it says “Lazy (Black) Man Who Talks a Good Game Ain’t Gonna Get Nothin’ Done” and quite frankly it’s offensive.

Posted by: Joe Haliewa | February 17, 2008, 11:27 pm 11:27 pm

You have GOT to be kidding. This is a joke, right?

Posted by: Allison | February 18, 2008, 5:42 am 5:42 am

Is this for real? Tell ya what…go to your local zoo,find the lions,find a male lion, and start pissing him off. Fairly soon you will find that you have MALE CLAWS stuck in your torso.
I’m not sure where the idea that claws=female came from, but it needs to go back.
Always ask:who benefits? Now, who would benefit more from this whole tempest in a teapot-Obama or Clinton? Can Obama afford to drive away female voters with this alleged sexist language,or would Clinton gain from female voters leaving the Goodship Obama because of the alleged “code words”?

Posted by: Passenger57 | February 18, 2008, 8:52 am 8:52 am

This looks like a stretch to me. After reading the single quote as well, I don’t think he’s raising the sex card. It would be stupid for him too, no matter how coded. He doesn’t look like he wants to pull a Clayton Williams (see Tx Gov. race ’90). This is likely only news since no one shot a baby in a school after work at the post office on the way to church that day.

Posted by: Mike | February 18, 2008, 10:46 am 10:46 am

Utterly ridiculous – sorry, I’m a woman (liberal, independent, even consider myself something of a feminist) and I just don’t see it.
People who try to read this level of insinuation into ordinary words are either (a) trying to create controversy for their own ends (ratings desperation, anyone?) or (b) weighed down by very low self esteem and looking for some way to blame it on others.

Posted by: njite | February 18, 2008, 11:50 am 11:50 am

This story should be getting more media attention. Instead Obama is getti Of course Obama was trying to be subtle–he knows better than to be overtly sexist. It is this subtle and insidious sexism that continues to plague women in the 21st century. Challenge: Can anyone find a presidential candidate who ever used the expression (about their male opponent)…”the claws come out”? And, the use of “periodically” had to be calculated–there was no other reason to use the word and it is not a word that “flows” naturally in the context of his statement.
Signed,
Another Hysterical Woman

Posted by: S. Lynn Newcomb | February 18, 2008, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm

It’s a storm in a teacup. I don’t regard such statements as sexist. It has to be placed against the backdrop of the very cutting and unreasonable tone that Clinton has been taking of late, but in no way shape or form did it come across as an insult to her womanhood or anything like that. Those who might have reacted that way are being way too oversensitive, or else they’re playing the gender card against him only because he’s a man.

Posted by: James | February 18, 2008, 1:44 pm 1:44 pm

To be fair, I’m a mixed race (black-white) guy like Obama but I haven’t detected in either Hillary or Bill’s statements coded racism or anything like that. At the very worst they were being patronizing and a little insensitive. But that can be an unconscious thing. Considering how much excellent work this couple, and Bil in particular, have done for black people in America and elsewhere, I don’t believe they would consciously have intended to belittle Obama on teh basis that he is black via coded messages or otherwise. In fact the same goes for George Bush, whose unswerving help for the African and African American people during his term of office I have nothing but the greatest admiration for.

Posted by: James | February 18, 2008, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm

Wow, all kinds of bells and sirens went off in my head when I read that quote in the paper. “Barry” Obama (yes, that is what he was called most of his life) is trying to tap into sexual prejudice without owning it, yes, code talk; I wonder how Oprah feels about that – a little down, maybe? She probably gets irrational when she’s depressed over her period. This guy is calculating, and I really don’t see that he has accomplished anything in his short stay in the Senate. Further, his getting there was pure luck: two of his major opponents self-destructed in personal scandals, so it was a skate. Actually, between growing up in Hawaii as the only child of two well-heeled professionals, going to private schools, then Harvard, I mean, has this guy ever SUFFERED?

Posted by: usersuz | February 18, 2008, 3:03 pm 3:03 pm

It’s not lost on me how quick we were to assign racial overtones to Bill Clinton’s remark in SC, yet we let Obama’s sexist statements slide on by. As a southern woman, I firmly believe that the white male (Southern, at least) is prepared to vote for a black man to show how enlightened and “unpredjudiced” he is. Yet as far as a woman goes, “I ain’t lettin no woman tell me what to do” mentality is pervasive!

Posted by: Judy | February 18, 2008, 3:55 pm 3:55 pm

Condescending? Yes. Sexist? No. It’s not at all sex-specific, and could equally be applied to any political opponent. Getting on him about “periodically” is just silly. What’s next, anagrams? This is belittling identity politics at its worst. And the Clintons know how to play this game, if nothing else. To those complaining of a double standard with regard to the lead-up to the South Carolina primary, I humbly suggest you take a second look at the record. Bill compared Obama to Jesse Jackson. Not John Edwards, who won the primary 4 years earlier and went on to lose the nomination. Not anyone else over the past 20 years. He reached back for the last black candidate. The implication was clear and required minimal interpretation: he won because he’s black, so it doesn’t matter. That’s how you play the race card. Obama’s remarks? They require mental somersaults to get to a place where anything about gender is even implied. The two are, obviously, not in any way equivalent.

Posted by: Steve Collins | February 18, 2008, 4:43 pm 4:43 pm

This is utterly ridiculous, and I can’t even believe that this article could pass as “journalism”. Those statements clearly weren’t sexist. Period. And when the shoe is on the other foot, Hillary doesn’t seem to mind. Let’s take a stroll through the Hillary merchandise bin:
“Got experience?” t-shirts…clearly belittling.
“Hillary Cares” t-shirts…Only women actually CARE, what sexist man designed that shirt?
even an,
“I’m your girl” button. If Obama ever said, “If you want mandated healthcare, she’s your girl”, immediately people would begin to cry wolf and call him sexist. Give me a break. Focus on the issues and who can actually win against McCain, not, who used the word “claws” or “periodically”. SERIOUSLY!!! ARE YOU KIDDING!?!?

Posted by: Are you kidding? | February 18, 2008, 5:38 pm 5:38 pm

Obama is condescending and he has been sexist. It is obvious but the press has helped him. We cant tlak about race but the heck with progress for women.
It is very frustrating.

Posted by: Elaine Fernandez | February 18, 2008, 5:42 pm 5:42 pm

The Clinton campaign didn’t have a healthcare plan before it felled and they don’t have one now. Well to be honest, if everyone is a goverment employee, then the Clinton healthcare plan will work for everyone. Unfortunately some are self employed, independent contractors or work for private employors or small business. Under the Clinton healthcare plan these people would be penalized if they don’t pay for their healthcare. This means that most of your family members and friends will have their paychecks garnished. We all know that it doesn’t stop there if it is a goverment enforcement. There will be fines and then misdemeanors which is a criminal offense defined as less serious than a felony. Why did Ms. Clinton decide on this approach? It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure this out. Big business, big Corporation call it what you will, they want their money back and in order for Ms. Clinton to get their support in her race to presidency she is giving victory to one side (the healthcare providers) by promising to them that she will have the poeople wages garnished if they continue to give healthcare. Thus allowing her to shout the words “UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE” This is a shady tactic and makes fools out of every american that falls for this trick. The Obama healthcare plan is for the people. Poor people, middle class and rich people can rest assured that there is no tricks or penalties in the Obama healthcare plan. VOTE OBAMA

Posted by: Press Release | February 18, 2008, 6:52 pm 6:52 pm

Andrea Mitchell on Hardball: Clinton “hanging on by her fingernails.” Sexist remark or just a colloquialism? Good thing it wasn’t someone from the Obama campaign…

Posted by: Steve Collins | February 18, 2008, 7:17 pm 7:17 pm

The media needs to be careful that it does not invent prejudices for people.
It is natural for two combatants to respond to each other in honest ways. Obama is responding to Hillary as she is. I think that anyone can isolate words and make them sound like they are saying what one wants to hear. If one wants to spin the idea that Obama is sexist then one can isolate the words as you have done and ask about them.
Hillary, cried on TV. Some people asked if she was using her feminine characteristics to manipulate.
How far do we take the analysis?
You know, I noticed that even though Obama is half white and half black, every media announcement I have listened to or have read has described him as a black man. Is the media playing a race game?
How far do we take the analysis of language?
Sen. Clinton is a very confident and strong woman. Sen. Obama is a dynamic and strong man. We are lucky to ahve them both. Should we focus on the issues? Or perhaps the media would like to run simulations on what language any other male politician on the Democrat or Republican side would have instead used in facing Hillary? That way you could nail him!

Posted by: simone | February 18, 2008, 8:46 pm 8:46 pm

If she had made a racist comment, it wouldn’t even be up for discussion, the media would be slamming him. I expect equal treatment.
He is manipulating people and not for the greater good of our country.

Posted by: Sexist | February 19, 2008, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm

I am so glad that Obama is finally being scrutinized for his language and his behavior because he certainly has not been sufficiently scrutinized for his lack of experience or policy knowledge. An examination of his behavior is long overdue. He has done nothing but criticize Senator Clinton, and yes that is what opponents do, but whenever she has tried to rebut his remarks or point out his obvious short comings, which is also what opponents do, he criticizes her for that too, which I find incredibly sexist. He treats her like she is supposed to fit into a “nice” girl persona and when she doesn’t then he bashes her with comments like “claws” and his comments about her being “down” and “periodically” trying to lash out at him are extremely pompous and negative language. The use of the term “claws” is clearly a reference to a female stereotype of being “catty.” Obama should be ashamed of himself, and once again, I say he is a hypocrite. Now, I say he is a sexist hypocrite.
He and his campaign are sexist in other way. He has painted Senator Clinton as an insider because she has so much experience in Washington. Well, if she hadn’t, she would not be given a second glance as women seeking the Presidency. Obama’s ability to be where he is, is nothing other than the direct bi-product of her potential candacy. He never would have stood a chance if he had been up against a panel of potential nominees with as much experience as Hillary Clinton. Further, he won’t stand a chance against someone with as much experience as McCain.

Posted by: Jerryll Moreno | February 19, 2008, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm

Absolutely, Obama is using sexist language to identify his misogyny.
He’s a real chip off the old Clarence Thomas block.

Posted by: Pat | February 20, 2008, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm

obama’s words are no more sexist than her aide’s comments about obama’s “shuck and jive talk” is racist

Posted by: df | February 24, 2008, 11:38 pm 11:38 pm

What of Obama’s white hating church? Or the fact in his own history his black daddy fled his responsibility’s but yet he tried to cast off his white heritage or does such a thing exist without it being called racist? I am certainly proud of being white yet I have no views of superiority because of it

Posted by: Clintonftw | February 25, 2008, 2:14 am 2:14 am

Black Men and White men have always sold women down the river for their own personal gains of power. Obama is no different. And sadly woman sell themselves down the river to gain their power indirectly through men still to this day. Oprah is a great example of that. She could of endorsed neither candidate and given both Hillary and Obama sizable donations. People would of understood this. Instead she chose her Father’s race over her Mothers gender. Sad, sad, sad indeed.

Posted by: Debbie | March 25, 2008, 1:14 am 1:14 am

I wonder WHY no one is talking about Senator McCain, who told Hillary in a published interview that maybe “Hillary is feeling sorry for herself, and she needs to STOP feeling sorry for herself, and to get over it.”
I guess it’s okay for Mr. McCain can say these things and the Hillary Clinton supporters don’t seem to care very much. In fact, He’s not even concerned with Hillary anymore, because he’s talking to Sen. Obama. Where is the outrage? McCain is TOTALLY ignoring Hillary Clinton all together. Oh that’s right, many of the Hillary supporters will be voting for Mr. McCain who is dissing Hillary.

Posted by: Tammi_J | May 19, 2008, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm

I wonder WHY no one is talking about Senator McCain, who told Hillary in a published interview that maybe “Hillary is feeling sorry for herself, and she needs to STOP feeling sorry for herself, and to get over it.”
I guess it’s okay for Mr. McCain can say these things and the Hillary Clinton supporters don’t seem to care very much. In fact, He’s not even concerned with Hillary anymore, because he’s talking to Sen. Obama. Where is the outrage? McCain is TOTALLY ignoring Hillary Clinton all together. Oh that’s right, many of the Hillary supporters will be voting for Mr. McCain who is dissing Hillary.

Posted by: Tammi_J | May 19, 2008, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm

I wonder WHY no one is talking about Senator McCain, who told Hillary in a published interview that maybe “Hillary is feeling sorry for herself, and she needs to STOP feeling sorry for herself, and to get over it.”
I guess it’s okay for Mr. McCain can say these things and the Hillary Clinton supporters don’t seem to care very much. In fact, He’s not even concerned with Hillary anymore, because he’s talking to Sen. Obama. Where is the outrage? McCain is TOTALLY ignoring Hillary Clinton all together. Oh that’s right, many of the Hillary supporters will be voting for Mr. McCain who is dissing Hillary.

Posted by: Tammi_J | May 19, 2008, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm

To deny that sexism has not been a factor in this contest is like being a pre-schooler with your fingers jammed in your ears, screaming “na-na-na i don’t hear you.” There have been numerous comments not just from the candidates and their people, but from the general public voters that have been reported by the media carrying very pointed sexism. Example, on a CNN blog, I read an Obama supporter, say “She looks old in that picture and needs a facelift.” Would a male candidate ever be suggested plastic surgery? No, their line are distinguished and mature. Local media here in Savannah covers SE South Carolina. During their primary, a black woman was interviewed for the local evening news, and said she voted for Obama because she was not ready for a woman president. I nearly fell over, but it did not even raise the eyebrow of the black reporter. If they had interviewed a Clinton supporter who said I won’t vote for Obama because I’m not ready for a black president, I’m sure no one would have turned a blind eye to that statements blatant racism. There are some (not all) men and women in this country, of all races, that are sexist and/or racist. We really have not progressed much in these areas as a nation, we just politely now don’t talk about them openly. Having two minority candidates is bringing this all out on the table and I must say that from what I’ve read, sexism is certainly given less attention than racism, and BOTH have played big roles in this election process and will continue to do so going into the general election. Denial does not make it go away. I applaud those standing up and bringing both issues into the light.

Posted by: Amy | May 21, 2008, 8:44 am 8:44 am

This is hilarious:
“Black Men and White men have always sold women down the river for their own personal gains of power. Obama is no different. And sadly woman sell themselves down the river to gain their power indirectly through men still to this day. Oprah is a great example of that. She could of endorsed neither candidate and given both Hillary and Obama sizable donations. People would of understood this. Instead she chose her Father’s race over her Mothers gender. Sad, sad, sad indeed.
Posted by: Debbie | Mar 25, 2008 1:14:49 AM”
Debbie, do you know what “sold down the river” means? It refers to slave families being separated and sold to distant plantations. See how hard it can be to be careful with words?

Posted by: Matt | May 21, 2008, 9:51 am 9:51 am

What’s the most depressing about all of this is that we’re still not talking about issues. I know quite a bit about some issues, but what I know best is this: At the end of the day, who is most honest, least greedy, and who would I want babysitting my kid? The answers are: Obama, Obama, and Obama. And by the way, Hillary is not more connected with “working folks.” She’s more connected with poor white folk (who are also more likely to be racist). I don’t think anyone can claim that Hillary feels more empathy for the poor. For God’s sake…she couldn’t even use a gas pump! Barack and his wife just paid off student loans three years ago. They come from where I come from – Hillary does not. I don’t knock her personally for that, it’s just the way it is. If we had to send one of these candidates into a room to write permanent legislation that would affect what the rich and poor get to live on and they had only 1 hour to make the right decisions, who would you prefer to be in that room? Obviously, McCain is not an option. And I tend to think that Obama’s experience as a community organizer – grass roots work with the poor – automatically wins him this prize. He was in the trenches, actually did the “work.” He knows what’s “fair.” And he knows how to use a gas pump.
S.

Posted by: steve | May 28, 2008, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm

What’s the most depressing about all of this is that we’re still not talking about issues. I know quite a bit about some issues, but what I know best is this: At the end of the day, who is most honest, least greedy, and who would I want babysitting my kid? The answers are: Obama, Obama, and Obama. And by the way, Hillary is not more connected with “working folks.” She’s more connected with poor white folk (who are also more likely to be racist). I don’t think anyone can claim that Hillary feels more empathy for the poor. For God’s sake…she couldn’t even use a gas pump! Barack and his wife just paid off student loans three years ago. They come from where I come from – Hillary does not. I don’t knock her personally for that, it’s just the way it is. If we had to send one of these candidates into a room to write permanent legislation that would affect what the rich and poor get to live on and they had only 1 hour to make the right decisions, who would you prefer to be in that room? Obviously, McCain is not an option. And I tend to think that Obama’s experience as a community organizer – grass roots work with the poor – automatically wins him this prize. He was in the trenches, actually did the “work.” He knows what’s “fair.” And he knows how to use a gas pump.
S.

Posted by: steve | May 28, 2008, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm

I have learned so much this year. I have learned the Democrats hate women that don’t agree with them so much they will kick you in the face and drag you by your hair to shut you up. Huh, oh well I quit being a Democrat one day be for Hillary gave up.
I will never go back now. You lost this womans vote.

Posted by: shampoovta | September 21, 2008, 9:41 pm 9:41 pm

Did you know that any woman working for Obama gets paid 83 cents on the dollar compared to the men who works for him??? C’mon guys, he’ll say ANYTHING to win you vote…sadly, on the other hand…he does so very little if anything at all. I encourage you to take a look at his record- no military service, no bi-partisan work in Congress, no fighting for wasteful spending. We can’t just believe everything that comes out of this guys mouth!!!!!!!!

Posted by: es | October 14, 2008, 7:48 pm 7:48 pm

are you kidding? just because something someone said could be taken out of context to be said as sexist. noone said clinton was a menopausal *** popping pills. u did

Posted by: nic | October 9, 2009, 10:33 am 10:33 am

‘Periodically, when Obmama feels ‘down, he starts launching attacks against women’s reproductive health to boost his poll-appeal”….
The President should be congratulated for inspiring women to vote Independent!

Posted by: mary | November 8, 2009, 2:21 am 2:21 am

OBAMA – THE MOST SEXIST PREZ IN HISTORY!
but boy, he knows how to CAMOUFLAGE HIS TTRUE INTENTIONS!
His claws are out all the time against girls and women’s rights!
GO BACK TO THE END OF THE BUS, LADIES AND SHUT UP! I’M THE PREZ NOW!

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