Just Words, Part 2

1. I find it appalling, but not surprising, that the media is focusing on stuff like this, rather than, you know, the war we’re still in, health care, global warming, etc.
2. The NYT reported “Mr. Patrick said that he and Mr. Obama first talked about the attacks from their respective rivals last summer.” It did not report that they first talked about the themes they both used, only that they talked about the attacks.
And the speechwriters come into this as they’re the ones preparing the written version of the remarks. As a former speechwriter myself, I know that even if your boss has given the same riff a thousand times, you still put it on paper.
I admire Mr. Tapper’s doggedness on this, but wish his efforts were devoted to something worthwhile. Perhaps a story about how Al Gore invented the Internet or John Kerry windsurfing.

All this is starting to sound like an episode of The Twilight Zone. Perhaps the words were not from Patrick or Obama. Perhaps they were from Jack Ruby.

O.K, lets break this down. First Obama says that words matter then we find out that those words aren’t his. Then his wife, Michelle Obama, says some stupid words (For the first time in her adult life she is really proud of this country) and we should just let those words slide. I think thats is the definition of a hypocrite..

Why would change-agent Obama feel the need to borrow lines from old speeches given year(s) ago. Instead of using your friend’s old words why not come up with your own. Or maybe in Obama’s case it IS totally irrelevant what comes out of his mouth,it’s the style over the real issues with this guy…

Me thinks the obamabots are a little defensive today. Didn’t your God say words ARE important? Of course Michelle only now finding something to make her proud for the first time in her adult life may not be important to you, but those words sure mean everything to me. And while we’re at it, “we are who we have been waiting for” another Obama set of words is the 2004 motto of MIT’s energy club. Guess stealing is no big deal to the Obamabots. Something creepy about that cult.

I’m still trying to figure out how any of this helps us achieve healthcare, or balance a budget, or improve diplomacy abroad. Do we really care who said what first. I think there have been enough speeches given to show that Obama is definitely a great orator and can motivate. I, for one, really don’t give a crap who said what last summer or before or after…really, let’s concentrate on the issues and move past this distraction.

OMG I can’t believe anyone would bring up a media person is pro-Hillary. Obama has been the media darling until now. I can understand how they have been easy on him. He’s just an empty suit. Oh and he’s a phony.

I’ll tell you how it helps the health care system and etc. If Obama is the nominee then none of that stuff gets fixed. At the very least it’ll take him longer to do anything because he will be alot like George W. “learning on the job”

Yeah, I’d like to focus on the issues as well, so I’ll just read the plans for the originals, Hillary’s. Why should I bother with Obama? He has none.

It’s not so much that Obama failed to credit Patrick, its that what we thought was his core message isn’t really his own—isn’t unique. The magic that was Obama was premised on his unique ability to transcend politics.That he is parroting another politicians lines about wordsn and more importantly about our aspirations, renders him ordinary; brings him back down to earth. Patrick said those same things and said them well and he has had a very rocky start in Massachusetts. Why does anyone think Obama will fare any better in facing the reality of governing? I don’t buy it. This farse is on a collision course with reality. Let’s hope it happens before he secures the nomination…

The American people at this moment in time, at this time in history,need a change. I say to the American people, at this time in our history, at this moment in time, elect a ‘tape recorder’ full of well spoken rhetorical borrowed speeches and install it in the White House.Oprah can play the tape to her liking and run the daily Oprah show from the Oval office.Rejoice American people as Oprah’s free gifts will be coming your way soon.

Harley has a point. All women, all near the stage, Obama says the same things, somebody next to her convieniently has a bottle of water. It’s part of this organizer/cult leader methodology he is using.

Harley, Obamabots fit the creepy crowd to a tee. Garbage in, garbage out.

It’s not that he used apart of someones speech that knew he was going to use it. Its that his whole campaign is based around his speaking ability and how he inspires people. When his originality goes out the window so does his credibility. And with no record and this is all he has then he’s just an empty suit. HE IS A PHONY!

What is funny about Obama supporters is when they ask them why they are voting for him they always say “well, he inspires me and he’s all about hope.” Then the next question is “Name me something he’s done.” ……SILENCE.

Mike, tell me you didn’t steal human WRITE from the Obama campaign.

So ethics reform was not pushed through by Obama at the Illinois state senate level? Single-mothers in Illinois did not get a break on public transportation and their kids do not ride for free? He has pushed through no healthcare or childcare initiatives while serving as a state senator? He has worked with no Republicans on bi-partisan legislation at the state or U.S. level? He has not pushed through legislation that would require the use of cameras when interrogating suspects of capital crimes and did not receive a commendation for his efforts by the police force? He did not put forth an extraordinary effort with bipartisan support to gain and protect resources for the rebuilding efforts of Hurricane Katrina and to prevent no-bid contracts like Halliburton from occurring like in Iraq under Hillary’s watch and non-opposition? He did not produce the most sweeping ethics reform since Watergate as quoted by other media sources? He did not work on legislation to deal with the issues of Darfur? And all media agrees he was consistent on being against the Iraq war eventhough Bill continues to lie about it over and over again despite the media pointing out that he’s wrong.Hillary has been First Lady most of her adult life and served has 7 years as an elected official versus Obama’s 11 total years as an elected offical (4 in the U.S. Senate this year), exactly what hard core pieces of legislation has she brought to the table besides SCHIP? I’ll be waiting for a substantive response. How much of her experience is Bill’s and how much is actually hers? Besides, do you really want to continue handing the country back and forth between the Clinton’s and Bill’s second newfound family the Bush’s? Jeb Bush will likely be running in 8 more years and win too, because he’s actually supposed to be the smart one. The best thing to do is to end this senseless familial dynasty stuff now or pay for it for the next 12-16 years. Real change starts with proof of change.

No Harley, Europe and Japan, China will come soon.

God I would hate to see all the things Hillary has done listed like that. It would probably crash the site. LOL Oh and you writing all that down, just shows you are a Obamabot. Sad

No China’s done there. Why do you think the price of oil is what it is? The Chinese are taking every drop they can get their hands on. I think they are a bigger problem than Europe as far as National Security goes.

And he voted present 130 times to keep his record crystal clean. No matter what you list here I’m not converting to the church of Obama.

Hillary got all those world changing bills passed in order to test out all her economic and health care theories in the State of NY. She’s a fraud. Solutions? Please.

Mike, good job with Obama record. BTW, did you get that information from Obama’s web site? It looks suspiciously like you did, word for word even. Boy, you are indeed an Obamabot.

… and where did I get the Clinton record ?

Talk to you later, Harley. Well, Obamabots, let’s get it on.

Harley, do you know, what present means?

I wouldn’t call cutting and pasting prepared. I would call that you being an Obamabot doing your masters bidding…. Oh and I watch a lot of news. Lingo just sticks. Get over it.

Lingo is needed to be precise, get an education. If you vote for Obama, you may get some evening classes sponsored.
…and present means to reject a bill because its not good enough, so it has to be presented to the experts again. Whats wrong with that.

I think bring up the sharing up “riffs” or whatever you want to call them is an issue here. Let’s face it, perhaps Obama’s biggest draw is his inspiring oratory. I’m a fairly young voter, but i haven’t heard anything like it. I’m inspired by it. However, how much of it is Axelrod, and how much is Obama. I realize Obama probably writes little of the content of his speeches. Now that we’re inspired, give us the substance Obama, or Clinton, speech writers, then we can elect our next president. Looking forward to more head on debates to hash out differences in the issues to make an educated choice. Thanks.

You know what really scares me about Obama? Oprah. She’s already got every white woman in America under her spell. What happens when she’s in Obama’s ear? LOL I hate Oprah.

Then if the bill is not good enough why not just vote NO? Present means you have no opinion. Nevertheless, nice bit of spin there, Mike. I think I need you to talk with my wife when I mess up from time to time. Between the two of us we could mess her up.

I just LOVE the fact that I hear the news in the background here talking about Obama’s plagiarism and Michelle’s unpatriotic statements. Music to my ear!!

The Biden thing was alot worse. Still I think it should be a huge factor in deciding who the President is going to be. Oh and go and Search Larry Sinclair. If he’s telling the truth. The republicans are going to tear him apart!

Obama didn’t copy a speech, he just made one argument also a friend has used. The question is more: Can one stand behind his statements? The answer is of course Yes (w)he can!
I wonder how many phrases, arguments and buzzwords Hillary did subconsciously copy from Bill?
Or McCain, who copied from Bush senior: “Read my lips.” Or is this one maybe from Clint Eastwood? Or King Richard I ?

Well, first to H…If Oprah si so scarey because she has white females under her spell; why are they the reason Hillary is still around.
Second, I am a Black American female and I know exactly what Michelle Obama meant when she said she felt really proud of America because I felt that same way..proud of being an American…not a Black American, for the first time in my life. Unfortunately, reading many of you here, listening to the media and of course to Hillary who made this all OKAY again, has brought be back to my senses. OR SHOULD I SAY MY PLACE.

There is a HUGE difference in what Obama did and what the other campaigns have done. He used a huge section of a speech and she used 2 words. Also Hillary isn’t really running on the power of words like Obama is. Also like I said, when he borrows words it doesn’t matter and when his wife uses horrible words we should just let that pass. I think that’s the definition of a hypocrite

shelgirl, she said NOW I am really proud of America, which implies she wasn’t before. Personally, I think it’s again a ridiculous fishing in the accuracy of ones language.
But I am still not completely proud. Too much pride makes one lazy. And it will be hard work to give good reason to be proud again after 8 years of Bush fires.

Thats the difference. She told people he said it. Obama only told those words weren’t his when called on it. I think you are REACHING now.

or is it plagiarized if I say I got it from a good friend? LOL

Wil, she says she has more than words, but also she is using her buzzwords and gestures and so forth, Obama is just more authentic. For me, it is scandalous, that Hillary wants to count Mich, and Florida.
She is ( again ) bending a party law.
And really look in their records. Omama has more experience(8 yrs.) as a senator than Hillary 6 years, and he worked hard in Illinois.
She was first lady for 8 years , OK, but does that give here more experience? Maybe the board of Walmart?

Mike, you do have a point with FL and Mich. Here is my concern: Will democrats from both states remember the harsh/kind words we all seem to recklessly use against or for them? After all it was a republican administration down in FL who moved the voting dates causing dems to turn on each other. In a democracy, which I believe in, I honestly see no alternative but counting them in if democrats honestly want to win the White House. I’m positive we disagree in this, but I refuse to cede a single state to republicans if I can do something to prevent this from happening in November. For me no single democrat, Hillary or Obama, is bigger than the hopes and dreams of the party itself. I would hope if Obama had won those states I would say the same.

Mike, are we coming together on something? Who said different camps cannot talk with each other? I appreciate this. No swearing, no stupidity, no useless trashing of the other side, just a polite give and take. Maybe there is hope for us democrats yet.

So much propoganda and deception coming from the Obama campaign that I can’t believe a word they say. The thinking members of society have not been fooled by their shameless efforts to seduce unthinking voters. I hope they pay the price for this by LOSING. Vote for sane politics – Hillary Clinton.

Sorry Will….I can’t vote for Obama. If he’s the nominee I’m looking for a Bloomberg or gambling on McCain to get back on the real Straight Talk Express. I just can’t vote for an empty suit.

I wouldn’t mind a public election, but you can’t vote for that, whoever the REAL candidate is. And in MI only Hill and Kucinic were on the Ballot, and thats really a bit unfair.

Sorry, Harley, Mike, I have to get moving. Talk to you all later.

Michigan could be settled by giving Obama the 300,000 undecided voters that voted that way because Obama didn’t want to put his name on the ballet to avoid it looking like a loose.

See ya Will! Keep the Obamabots on their toes!

See ya Mike. I’ve got to go too. I like arguing politics so I’m glad someone was actually willing to do a little back and forth. You were a formidable foe. LOL I still think you need to put down the Obama Kool Aid but I can see thats not going to happen. LOL Later man.

Really, if I type they squeak so much, it’s horrible. bye bye to may Hillabot counterimages. Oil Oil

Obama was and is a social worker, who worked for the poorest and more important motivated others to do so. That is his energy, to motivate others to do something for the better. If you really read his record you would realize that he’s a cool dude. Before Obama was on the scene nearly everybody was for Hillary.
To switch to Obama, you have to change your mind. The more education you have, the more you realize that you have to change your mind very often, because thats a major part in the learning process. So, you are more open to consider another path, but only after getting the facts.

Wait a minute. Are we really about to give Barack Hussein Obama access to nuclear weapons?

I don’t know why this is such a big deal. Obama and Patrick are old friends. Heck, if my best friend used a joke I made up (original not repeated), I would feel flattered.
Now, if he had done this with someone he did not know, and did not give credit, then I would be miffed. Friends copy each other all the time. It demonstrates that they have things in common.
He could have qualified it with, “As my good friend from Mass. pointed out,…” and we wouldn’t even be talking about it. Besides, legally plagiarism only applies if the originator of the intellectual property does not give permission, as Patrick obviously did.