Live Debate Blogging by Rick Klein
9:47 pm ET: They end with a handshake, but it may as well have been a hug. (And how did Chelsea get on stage so fast?)
If all you’re doing as a voter is making a judgment based on this debate, it’s easy to come away supporting Clinton. But that’s not how the election works — the fact is Sen. Clinton was looking for ways to recast the debate tonight, and we didn’t get that. A few new lines on a few old arguments do not result in any changed dynamics, not by my judgment. If you’re an Obama fan, you’re generally pleased with the night.
That’s it for tonight — check back tomorrow, as always, for a full analysis and look ahead in The Note.
9:41 pm ET: ABC’s Sunlen Miller: Obama does not mention his drug use as a teenager in the last question…but scratches the surface "rocky periods during my youth – made mistake and was off course."
Good sentiment to close with for Clinton: "Well I think everyone here knows I’ve lived through some crises."
9:36 pm ET: Sort of a passive response from Clinton on superdelegates: "These are the rules that are followed, and this will sort itself out." Bottom line is Obama has a stronger argument — and surely one that’s more appealing to voters.
9:32 pm ET: The pork question — good general-election preview. Either Democrat is going to be on the defensive on this against Sen. McCain.
And Obama glossed over his record — he released his earmarks for 2007, but not the other two years he’s been in the Senate.
9:28 pm ET: ABC’s Sunlen Miller: "Obama first to mention McCain – and make the electiability argument."
9:21 pm: As they retreat to their corners — does anyone feel like Sen. Clinton did Sen. Obama significant damage tonight — enough, say, to slow his rise? I’m not sure I see that anywhere tonight.
9:14 pm ET: Is Obama slamming the Massachusetts healthcare plan? The one Ted Kennedy so heartily embraced?
9:12 pm ET: That’s two John Edwards mentions from Clinton…
9:11 pm ET: The Clinton campaign passes this around:
Tonight, Sen. Obama said: “In Youngstown, Ohio, I talked to workers who have seen their plants shipped overseas due to consequences of poor deals it’s like NAFTA that have literally seen equipment unbolted from the floors of factories and shipped to China.” [CNN Univision Debate, 2/21/08]
John Kerry in 2004: “What does it mean in America today when Dave McCune, a steel worker I met in Canton, Ohio, saw his job sent overseas and the equipment in his factory literally unbolted, crated up, and shipped thousands of miles away along with that job?” [Kerry Remarks, Democratic Convention, 7/29/04 <http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5552784/> ]
9:06 pm ET: At the break here — finally some engagement. But we haven’t heard a single new argument, from either candidate, all night. The Xerox line was about the only memborable new line from either candidate. But it’s still not going to be a game-changer of an issue, the shock that Obama would borrow some phrases from one of his national campaign co-chairmen.
9:05 pm ET: And — with few big endorsements left out there — ABC’s Sunlen Miller picks up on the fact that Clinton is the first to mention John Edwards.
9 pm ET: "Change you can Xerox," — Clinton says. WOW. Now we’re into the meat… I’m still not convinced that this is an issue that will vault Clinton back into this game, but it’s an opening, and she’s going for it. These last 10 minutes have had just about all of the zingers of the night.
8:58 pm ET: Big laughter and applause for Obama as he parries the plagiarism charge. "This is when we start getting into the silly season in politics," Obama says — a good counter.
8:55 pm ET: Obama’s counter: "People understand that it is not just a matter of putting forward policy positions." (Love Clinton’s smile when Obama said she’s suggesting his supporters are "delusional.")
8:52 pm ET: Clinton: "Our next president needs to be a lot less hat, and a lot more cattle." But she makes clear she’s talking about President Bush, not Obama. This is her contrast: "I do offer solutions — that’s what I believe in, and what I’ve done." Then comes the dig: that MSNBC clip where an Obama surrogate couldn’t name an Obama accomplishment. "Words are important, and words matter, but actions speak louder than words." So far – quote of the night.
ABC’s Eloise Harper points out that it should be Clinton thanking John King for the opening.
8:51 pm ET: THANK YOU, John King, for calling them out on what they say on the stump vs. what they have the nerve to say on debate stages.
8:46 pm ET: Man, this is docile, low-key stuff for a debate with stakes this high…
8:44 pm ET: Clinton calls for English to be "our common, unifying language." Carefully chosen words for her Latino supporters. And ABC’s Eloise Harper asks — what is keeping Clinton from taking her own advice in learning another language?
8:41 pm ET: Forty minutes in — a whole lot of agreeing going on tonight. Clearly, at this point, the Clinton gameplan of conpetence and confidence has not changed. Perhaps she’s waiting for the right question to unfurl the right answer. But so far, both candidates are running against the Bush administration.
8:37 pm ET: "There is a smart way to protect our borders, and there is a dumb way to protect our borders," Clinton says. A decent Texas-themed line punctuating a debate that’s not breaking much new ground.
8:34 pm ET: Sunlen Miller: "Obama wont admit that he agrees with what Clinton says on immigration. . . he says instead he’ll add to it."
And Ray — yes, the Univision moderator does have an Anderson Cooper quality to him.
8:31 pm ET: ABC’s Sunlen Miller notices Clinton using the word "hoodwink" — something Obama says all the time… Politicians don’t borrow words from each other, do they?
8:28 pm ET: Clinton me-toos Obama on the economy, but also brings urgency and immediacy into her answer — these moratoriums and interest-rate freezes. And she’s bringing that Obama quality — hope.
8:25 pm ET: Asked about differences on the economy, Obama covers the entire map without naming any differences. It’s all about how they’re going to get it done, he says. There was a time that Sen. Clinton would have given an answer like that.
8:22 pm ET: As the exchange over meeting with foreign leaders ended, ABC’s Eloise Harper notices: "Big smile from Clinton after that zing. She looked very pleased."
8:16 pm ET: First distinction of the night was the first big distinction of the campaign — meeting with the president of Cuba. But I’m not sure I understand how Obama can say he’s not for preconditions before meeting with Raul Castro but is for preparation that includes preconditions like releasing political prisoners.
8:14 pm ET: I’m struck initially by Clinton’s measured tone. No sense of panic in her voice. She sounds calm, in charge, deliberate.
8:12 pm ET: You can hear the cold in Obama’s voice. And his opening statement has a quick reference to his opposition to the war. And this: "What’s lacking right now is not good ideas." Also — this applause is annoying. I know it’s hard to contain these Texans’ enthusiasm, but it feels more rally-ish and less debate-ish with the audience participation.
8:08 pm ET: "I offer a lifetime of experience and proven results," Clinton says. In for a dime…
8:06 pm ET: Now it’s nearly 36 years of Clinton experience — and about one full year of that message. And she lays claim to Texas roots approximately immediately — with a Barbara Jordan reference, and an Ann Richards one to boot. That’s some tasty BBQ for veteran Texas Democrats, who are enjoying the love tonight.
7:58 pm ET: And in case you need a reminder of the stakes — the new ABC/Washington Post poll shows just how close this race is in Ohio and Texas. This is troubling news for Sen. Clinton — her must-wins. But she still has an edge…
7:52 pm ET: Also — this debate will get lots of coverage, sure. But who on that stage do you think is happy that all of the political oxygen today was consumed by a (maybe) sex scandal on the Republican side?
7:45 pm ET: So, 15 minutes away — expectations? I should quit that part of the gig since I’ve been off so wildly before virtually all of these debates. BUT — pressure is always on the candidate with the most at stake, and that, of course, is Hillary Clinton. I don’t, though, think she’ll come out on the all-out attack — my guess would be tries to bait Barack Obama into a spat. Then she can sit back and see how he handles it.
If that doesn’t work — well, anything goes.
Hi everyone, Rick Klein from ABC’s The Note. I’ll be live-blogging during tonight’s Democratic debate in Austin, Texas — watch on CNN, and follow along with running commentary here, starting at 8 pm ET.

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Where is obama going to get the money to do all the things he says he is going to do and what is he going to do about Social Security, is he going to see that it will be there for all of us. Does he believe all illegal immigrants should learn english,
Posted by: joy Galbraith | February 21, 2008, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm
If Hillary goes on the attack I think it will backfire. She will only look more desperate.
Posted by: Rob Grookett | February 21, 2008, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm
I hope that Hillary will not be agressive, it will only show how desperate she is to get to the White House. She must accept the will of the American people.
Posted by: Denis van Dam | February 21, 2008, 4:56 pm 4:56 pm
Do you need inspiration from next president after election?
– Yes, so I will study harder to get good grades.
– Yes, so I will work harder to get a raise.
– No.
– Not sore.
– What for?
Posted by: Mike | February 21, 2008, 5:01 pm 5:01 pm
The rookie car salesman has been copying somebody’s speech. No wonder, he can not give a specific and substance.
Posted by: greg limes | February 21, 2008, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm
Please let Hillary explain to America how she was able to bankrupt her own campaign… and what position she therefore is in to tell us she’s offering the best solutions for our country’s economy.
Posted by: PenMark | February 21, 2008, 5:13 pm 5:13 pm
Obama uses words because he lacks action…I hope Houston realizes he plans on delaying NASA funding for a few years to pay for Science education..that is action but what
about the jobs…he refuses to vote Yea or Nay on issues that make a difference Sexual establishments within X distance from Schools…whether Youth should be trial as an adult…among others he was politicking back then did not want to alienate people..but he is the candidate of choice for some people…he back the Class Action Fairness Act of 2005 while most democratics did not but he is not for corporations ..limits lawsuits against corporations…Obama says one thing but his action speak a different tune…if you look at history he has always support big corp. just talks the big talk but does not follow his own advise…back peddling about the Federal funding that he agreed to ..Mccain is calling him on that issue…People smeel the BS that OB is giving you…
Posted by: dellee | February 21, 2008, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm
I hope she comes out swinging! He has had a free ride in the press the whole time and she is the only one who is man enough to call him on it. Enough of these rah rah rallies – this is serious business.
Posted by: jackie | February 21, 2008, 5:26 pm 5:26 pm
I’m actually surprised that Obama the Great Uniter’s services aren’t needed in other parts of the world tonight. Maybe he could hold a “rally” to solve their issues. No, you say. If you don’t think it would work for them why do you think it will work for us?
Posted by: jim | February 21, 2008, 5:30 pm 5:30 pm
February 18, 2008 will always be a significant day to me. It is the first day of Michelle’s entire adult life that she has been proud. I wonder if we should make it a holiday and send out cards.
Posted by: ruth | February 21, 2008, 5:36 pm 5:36 pm
Both candidates are campaigning on only words at this point. To say that Hillary has more experience is a joke. Being a first lady does not count.
Posted by: Rob Grookett | February 21, 2008, 5:38 pm 5:38 pm
JustMe, you’re quoting the wrong person. I suggested Hillary would be asked to focus on her economic insights since she has not been able to financially manage her own campaign.
How did that campaign go bankrupt and why can’t she manage even her own political affairs?
Posted by: PenMark | February 21, 2008, 5:39 pm 5:39 pm
pec, I think a lot of the Obama supporters watched that and said “Man, that was really a tough question. That Chris M. really threw a curve ball at him. I wonder why he would have asked that?”. I’m really surprised that he didn’t give the standard answer that the cult members use – look at his website.
Posted by: jim | February 21, 2008, 5:46 pm 5:46 pm
For those of you stuck on the experience issue … read this!
The president who came to office with the most glittering array of experiences had served 10 years in the House of Representatives, then became minister to Russia, then served 10 years in the Senate, then four years as secretary of state (during a war that enlarged the nation by 33 percent), then was minister to Britain. Then, in 1856, James Buchanan was elected president and in just one term secured a strong claim to the rank as America’s worst president. Abraham Lincoln, the inexperienced former one-term congressman, had an easy act to follow.
Obama should have no problem following George Bush.
Posted by: parrismr | February 21, 2008, 5:50 pm 5:50 pm
By the way, the above information comes from George Will, in case anybody was thinking about lighting me up for plagiarism.
Posted by: parrismr | February 21, 2008, 5:52 pm 5:52 pm
There’s no doubt it’ll be interesting. Ratings should rise just on the curiosity factor!!!
I drank the Kool-Aid, too!!! Yes, WE CAN!!! !
Posted by: Jackt51 | February 21, 2008, 5:59 pm 5:59 pm
What station is it on? I hope that mean Chris Matthews doesn’t pick on Obama and ask him some of his accomplishments.
Posted by: jeff | February 21, 2008, 6:07 pm 6:07 pm
Obama gonna pull out troops from Iraq immediately. Boy are you folks gonna make us rich up here in Alberta, Canada. As we are your largest oil and gas suppliers. Can’t wait. Obama’s gonna cut and run leaving one heck of a mess for the Arab state and they are NOT gonna be happy campers for years and years to come. Your next largest supplier is Chevez and he’s already sided with Iran. Trust me on this one as this is what I do for a living, oil.
Posted by: Will | February 21, 2008, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm
Move massive people is always disaster for a nation.
in late 1960 China, chiarman Mao use his speech move millions young “red guard” for change. it destoryed china’s 5000 year history, it destoryed the whole economy, it killed more than 10 million people. No one understand why all the people gone crazy. But Mao acted as messiah!
History always repeat. this time, looks like American is still undeveloped land, where is “hopeless” “washington is evil” ” I am new, so I clean” “I an new, so I am change”
the compain start as messiah, not start as how to manage the country. Start by againest country, call for change, every fault is “bush’s fault” all fault is “washington’s fault”, only Obama will save American.
He claim as uniter and change at same time, How? How you unit all the “old forks” and “change” them at same time?
It is no one’s fault for war or economy, don’t blame. let us face and correct them. at same time, no matter what happened, every American should be proud of be american.
If Luck is still on American’s side, we can avoid this “obama”, othrewise, time is running out. Looks like American will have ” red culture revolution”
No matter what we should avoid this kind “obama” hype at any cost.
Posted by: larratta | February 21, 2008, 6:21 pm 6:21 pm
if obama was such the united , why then are we still split? If he was soo good, why do people in his own district want him removed? only thing he is going to unite is the taxpayer’s dollars and his wallet!
Posted by: Obamaslaba | February 21, 2008, 6:25 pm 6:25 pm
I did not realize Canada was still canadian. LOL
Hey how about that McCain.
I did not have lobbyist relations with that woman. Sounds familiar?
Posted by: PollCat | February 21, 2008, 6:25 pm 6:25 pm
I don’t know about you but I’m pumped. We’re gonna change stuff and I hope we change stuff. I have no idea what we’re gonna change or even what stuff.
Posted by: Wil | February 21, 2008, 6:32 pm 6:32 pm
Wil, I think you need to look at Obama’s website. It seems to be the direction that people are pointed to. Kind of like the North Star.
Posted by: jeff | February 21, 2008, 6:38 pm 6:38 pm
Thanks pollcat, but if anyone down there thinks gas prices are high now, give it another year. Don’t mean to comment on your domestic election, but as your neighbor I ask you all to think of the mess that the Arab states will be soon facing. That’s not going to be pretty over there and it will come back and hit you all in your pocket books big time. I’m not asking anyone to change their vote or anything, but I am asking you all to think this thing through very carefully.
Posted by: Canada | February 21, 2008, 6:39 pm 6:39 pm
Exactly, Canada, I think Obama, Hillary, McCain must answer this question because if we say we want change and if energy prices hit us in the pocketbook then all the changes we hope for can never be made.
Posted by: Wil | February 21, 2008, 6:48 pm 6:48 pm
When Obama made such a big deal about blowing his nose earlier, is he trying to let us know that we shouldn’t expect too much, because, poor baby, he’s got a cold. Talk about lowering expectations. The smart thing if he indeed has a cold would have been to cut back on his schedule. No more free pass for you. You want to be the frontrunner, then stand up for the scrutiny it brings.
Posted by: mass voter | February 21, 2008, 7:04 pm 7:04 pm
Mmmmmm, that Kool-Aid is some good stuff. And it sure costs less than a Clinton campaign consultant.
Posted by: Paul | February 21, 2008, 7:26 pm 7:26 pm
My hope is that Senator Clinton doesn’t make an all-out effort to be critical of her opponent, Senator Obama, in tonight’s debate. One of them will go on to win the number of delegates needed to secure the nomination, and the party will have to unite behind whomever that is if we’re to turn this country around. McCain has already figured out who his opposition is going to be, and, while I’m not that much of McCain fan, I do not think the man is stupid. Democrats, all of us, must begin thinking forward to November.
Posted by: Opa | February 21, 2008, 7:27 pm 7:27 pm
The Democratic party is now divided beyond repair for this election year. It is highly probable that Obama is going to get the Democratic nomination, and Hillary supporters (of which I am one) will vote for McCain in the general election as the lesser of the two evils.
I was much better off after Bill Clinton’s administration than when he took office, because he understood fiscal responsibility and knew how to balance the budget, which in turn stimulated the economy and the stock markets. His support of technology and the Internet played a big part in that as well. I hated his immoral antics in office, but he knew how to create a thriving economy. My basis for voting for Hillary is that she learned how to manage the economy first hand. While taxes did increase during the Clinton administration, my salary doubled and my investments tripled, so I did not care.
Obama has no experience on how to manage a budget. He is promising everything to everyone. He is a true “tax and spend” liberal with no fiscal knowledge or experience on how to improve the economy. I have researched his policies, and I know that based on his tax and spend agenda that my company will struggle and put my job at risk, my investments will not grow, and my taxes will increase. I cannot put my family at risk based on this man’s hollow rhetoric and lack of experience. I know that if I vote for McCain, at least he won’t increase my taxes unnecessarily.
Believe me, I am not alone here. There are hundreds of thousands of Hillary supporters that will defect with me. I am saddened that our party is now driven by emotion instead of logic. I guess that I’ll just hope for better in another 8 years.
Posted by: Michael Hicks | February 21, 2008, 7:29 pm 7:29 pm
The idea that Obama is not being specific is now outdated. People who are still saying this may have had a point about a month ago, but they have clearly not been keeping up with Obama’s speeches. He’s now given detailed speeches regarding a wide range of policy proposals, which, by the way, are virtually the same as Clinton’s (politicians share policy advisors). If you want detail Obama, it’s now available. No more excuses. He’s a balanced candidate on all counts.
Posted by: Marcus Watson | February 21, 2008, 7:29 pm 7:29 pm
and McCain and Clinton have given specifics on what???? Oh, nothing! soundbite city! “In it to win it!” and “Universal Healthcare!” Obama wrote a book, yep specifics in it, has a blue print and positions all over his website..yep…OH and does offer specifics in speeches, but that makes for boring TV. His platform is same as Clinton and Democratic Party….he just says it better… do your homework folks
Posted by: some guy in georgia | February 21, 2008, 7:36 pm 7:36 pm
I think Obama is caught up in a political party that does not represent all of his values. I think that’s why he dodges certain votes. I think he is afraid to speak openly about his values because he is afraid he won’t get elected. The Democrats want Obama to bring them ‘change’. Oh, he’ll bring them ‘change’ alright, but I don’t think it will be the ‘change’ they expect. I think he will change them. He will change the Democratic party from whatever they were becoming.
Posted by: the old man | February 21, 2008, 7:38 pm 7:38 pm
and should day 1 sound like…”YES – its all mine at last! 100 Years of War!” or “YES – I will avenge my husband! Watch out right wingers, its my way or the highway!”
OR “YES WE CAN!”
Posted by: another guy in ga | February 21, 2008, 7:41 pm 7:41 pm
I have a problem that I haven’t seen mentioned before in one of these blogs:
I’m a Republican who is in love with Michelle Obama.
I was a Giuliani voter in Florida; what to do now? I’d love to see Michelle in the White House, that is, I’d love to see a lot of her in the future. On the other hand, I would have preferred to see Giuliani run the country’s economics as he ran New York City (and I’m afraid John McCain REALLY doesn’t understand what today’s complex economics is about).
I’m a bit… desperate. And foolish, no doubt.
Posted by: Chuck | February 21, 2008, 7:45 pm 7:45 pm
Rick – Good to be back. I don’t mind making expectation guesses because I have nothing to lose. I think Clinton will have to tweak Obama. As per usual, about the third response or so will include a provocative reference, perhaps to the “plagiarism” and/or a swipe at Patrick for not bringing about change in MA. I think it will almost certainly be the “Words”/Solutions angle. Hopefully, Obama will keep his cool and force her to jab harder for a reaction. They both have arrows in their quiver and now no Edwards to intervene as a grown-up. Clinton really needs to change the narrative here, polls are slipping in her firewall, superd’s are defecting (only from her camp), 0-11 the last contests, demos slipping away, Big Labor endorsements going against her. If Bill has coached her, she’ll definitely pick a fight tonight. Try to knock Obama off-topic and pummel him with facts, 10point plans and innuendos.
Posted by: Kevin | February 21, 2008, 8:00 pm 8:00 pm
Hillary = Romney
Posted by: The Commander Guy | February 21, 2008, 8:00 pm 8:00 pm
Attention Democrats!!!
If you don’t realize that the presidential election is taking place right now, then something is wrong with you. It is between Clinton the Democrat and Obama the Republican.
Posted by: Scott | February 21, 2008, 8:05 pm 8:05 pm
joy Galbraith
you should ask those qustions to Bush and hillary.
Posted by: guevera | February 21, 2008, 8:09 pm 8:09 pm
simply vote for your true love! Ron Paul could use some extra votes. No reason to vote for Obama BECAUSE you’re a black voter. He’s a superb politician, no doubt (the proof is in the incredible history of this campaign)
but yes, he’s the most liberal of them all.
Don’t forget however that Paul is a libertarian; in some respects (and also as a real worshipper of the Constitution) he’s very close to Obama.
Posted by: Chuck | February 21, 2008, 8:10 pm 8:10 pm
the comparison is between
‘Yes I can and Yes we can’
I, me , my self… the only person who has the expe…
It doesn’t sound good. It is not appealing.
I think that is the reason…
Posted by: john | February 21, 2008, 8:10 pm 8:10 pm
um, hm, um, um, hmm, um – quote from Obama.
Posted by: jeff | February 21, 2008, 8:12 pm 8:12 pm
Nearly half of voters (47 percent) say they would “never” vote for Clinton.
Can you believe that
Posted by: guevera | February 21, 2008, 8:16 pm 8:16 pm
Obama just flip flopped.
Posted by: jim | February 21, 2008, 8:18 pm 8:18 pm
Hillary’s necklace and collar make her look like she’s wearing one of those Bob Dylan style harmonica holders – but without the harmonica.
Posted by: mitch | February 21, 2008, 8:18 pm 8:18 pm
Obama did not say that the preparations would have preconditions, only the full normalization of relations.
Our Cuba policy has been determined by a bunch of right-wing ex-cubanos in Miami for way too long.
Posted by: Jackt51 | February 21, 2008, 8:20 pm 8:20 pm
All I’m hearing 20 minutes into the debate from Obama RE: negotiations with our adversaries is a BIG “Me, Too.” He’s already qualified his earlier position about meeting with leaders from countries that are our adversaries by imposing pre-conditions. Just what Hillary has always said!
Posted by: twinmom48 | February 21, 2008, 8:24 pm 8:24 pm
Hillary looks calm, cool, and collected. Obama is still out of his league. He’s not ready. She is ready to be the President.
Posted by: dave | February 21, 2008, 8:25 pm 8:25 pm
speak to real costs of bio disel to the environment both BO and HRC
Posted by: pdxgordon | February 21, 2008, 8:28 pm 8:28 pm
Hillary’s stealing Obama’s thoughts from the speech in Houston now. What a blatant plagiarist.
Posted by: Karl | February 21, 2008, 8:29 pm 8:29 pm
That woman is a debate machine…
Posted by: Ray | February 21, 2008, 8:29 pm 8:29 pm
Now who’s copying who?
Obama 2008!!!
Posted by: Jackt51 | February 21, 2008, 8:31 pm 8:31 pm
A debate machine? She’s more like a “Let’s steal all of the ideas outlined in Barack Obama’s Houston speech. I guess that makes her kind of like a parrot or tape recorder.
Posted by: Karl | February 21, 2008, 8:32 pm 8:32 pm
anyone else think that Jorge (the Univision questioner) looks like a hispanic Anderson Cooper?
Posted by: Ray | February 21, 2008, 8:32 pm 8:32 pm
Wow ..this blog is so slanted in Hillary’s favor. What debate are YOU watching?
Posted by: dgfiit | February 21, 2008, 8:33 pm 8:33 pm
Hilary needs to start relaxing so people can see her true character – She doesn’t have to bully her way to the Presidency. I think this is what is spoiling her chances. I would like to see the true and gracious Hilary Clinton not some masculine version fighting a war that could be won with charm.
Posted by: Uretha | February 21, 2008, 8:33 pm 8:33 pm
BABIES COMING HOME AND THEIR PARENTS HAVE BEEN HAULED AWAY!
Someone call her on the exaggeration to win….another manipulation.
Kids come home and no one is home?!?!?!?!
Give us a break.
Posted by: sam | February 21, 2008, 8:35 pm 8:35 pm
Enjoying the debate. I see why I am a Clinton supporter. She is truly a class act. He’s not a very good speaker when he doesn’t have a telepromptor.
Posted by: jackie | February 21, 2008, 8:37 pm 8:37 pm
Hillary is picking up on Obama’s comments, shadowing the answers, but adding her “passion” to them.
Posted by: Larry | February 21, 2008, 8:38 pm 8:38 pm
Karl, et al. – I am behind Obama 100%, but it is my opinion that Clinton is much stronger in debates.
I don’t think that means she would be a better president or that she has better (or unique) ideas. Her delivery is simply very direct and detailed without any hesitation. Obama tends to stumble a little more. As long as they are both essentially saying the same thing, delivery counts.
All that being said, Clinton is not doing well enough. She needs to have an EXCEPTIONAL performance (in addition to a big Obama gaffe) to close in on Obama’s current lead in the race. Haven’t seen that yet….
Posted by: Ray | February 21, 2008, 8:38 pm 8:38 pm
Ouch! Hillary bombed that King follow up
Posted by: Ray | February 21, 2008, 8:41 pm 8:41 pm
I agree, Ray. Clinton is a “master debater”…Obama just has to hope to make a major mistake.
Let’s see what happens when they begin discussing the parallels of fiscally managing the country and managing their campaigns….$$$$
Posted by: Larry | February 21, 2008, 8:41 pm 8:41 pm
I bet aLOTTA people are switchin to American Idol whenever Hills starts talking.
Garrett was voted out btw
Posted by: The Commander Guy | February 21, 2008, 8:41 pm 8:41 pm
He is not saying any things but agreeing with Hillary. Why, they should let Obama reply to question first instead of Hillary.
Posted by: voteforme008 | February 21, 2008, 8:43 pm 8:43 pm
Obama can turn this nation into a gambling ground like the guy he borrowed words from did in Massachuas. He won’t get money from my pocket. Ted Kennedy’s family or John Kerry’s wife have enough money. They can donate some, too.
Posted by: Hard | February 21, 2008, 8:44 pm 8:44 pm
two languages is what’s splitting Canada apart.
Posted by: politikaljunkie | February 21, 2008, 8:45 pm 8:45 pm
I think I may have to bounce when Lost comes on…
(((TAKES COVER)))
Posted by: Ray | February 21, 2008, 8:45 pm 8:45 pm
It’s going both ways, Commander Guy…they are both walking lightly, in support I should say, of each other.
Posted by: Larry | February 21, 2008, 8:46 pm 8:46 pm
Obama, you are the frontrunner act like it. If a question is placed on the table, you should address it first not wait until Hillary replied.
Posted by: voteforme008 | February 21, 2008, 8:48 pm 8:48 pm
This blog is so slanted toward the “kool-aid” drinking cultists. I hope he is at least paying you all.
Bilingual education? Is he going to pay for that too? I hope it’s not the same old approach to educating ESL students who have come out of school with a worthless education. Before we teach our kids a second language they won’t really have a use for (unless it’s chinese), let’s raise those math scores – is he aware that we rank 23rd or 24th internationally in Math? During my lifetime, English has been the language of international business, is he ready to cede that too?
Posted by: mass voter | February 21, 2008, 8:48 pm 8:48 pm
Yes, Hillary is being very low-key. Either she’s tacitly surrendering the campaign or she’s worried that she’ll get called for picking on a guy with a head cold.
Posted by: Jackt51 | February 21, 2008, 8:50 pm 8:50 pm
We need to livn’ this debate up…can somebody let Bill O’Reilly in the building?
Posted by: Larry | February 21, 2008, 8:50 pm 8:50 pm
Would have liked to have seen it but I couldn’t start the horse.
Posted by: Suzannaquanashawn | February 21, 2008, 8:50 pm 8:50 pm
John King is tryin’ to act like Don King…HA!
Posted by: Larry | February 21, 2008, 8:51 pm 8:51 pm
Good punch Hillary. About one of Obama’s supporters.
Posted by: voteforme008 | February 21, 2008, 8:53 pm 8:53 pm
she is not handling this one well…
Posted by: Ray | February 21, 2008, 8:54 pm 8:54 pm
Good answers, HRC!
She’s leading tonight’s hugfest…
Posted by: Larry | February 21, 2008, 8:54 pm 8:54 pm
Hillary should be the next president because women need to have their way.. The men have had it way too long..Hillary will heal this nation torn from war. Hillary for president..please America!
Posted by: Hillary_Heals_Hate | February 21, 2008, 8:54 pm 8:54 pm
to be fair… i can’t think of any accomplishment off the top of my head that Hillary’s done either.
Posted by: politikaljunkie | February 21, 2008, 8:54 pm 8:54 pm
This was her opening, and she didn’t capitalize! Surrender?
Posted by: Jackt51 | February 21, 2008, 8:56 pm 8:56 pm
amazing end to obama’s answer there. “All my voters have simply been dooped??” Injected some humor too.
+1
Posted by: Ray | February 21, 2008, 8:57 pm 8:57 pm
Here come all the Hillary bashers .. LOL
Expected!
Posted by: DMK | February 21, 2008, 8:58 pm 8:58 pm
Hillary is done!!! She sounded very angry and mad. Shes always on the defensive. I though she was going to be paositive on this debate. Instead she was all negative tonigh Shame. Im in Texas and now I will support Borack Obama. He was colective, gentle and consistant. Vert samart and looked very presidential.
Posted by: Amy G Wright | February 21, 2008, 8:58 pm 8:58 pm
Mass Voter…in The Audacity of Hope, Obama wrote an entire chapter about math and science education in the US getting stepped up to help our youth in the world economy.
Posted by: Karl | February 21, 2008, 8:58 pm 8:58 pm
I cannot believe that she pulled the surrogate gaffe out as an argument. Talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel.
Posted by: Melissa Compagnucci | February 21, 2008, 8:58 pm 8:58 pm
Rick, that quote has been used in every stump that she’s held since campaigning.
Clinton needs a knock-out to win this debate, and to change the voting balance, otherwise she’s finished!
Posted by: Larry | February 21, 2008, 8:59 pm 8:59 pm
The only thing Barack did wrong was fail to give proper and timely credit.
Posted by: politikaljunkie | February 21, 2008, 8:59 pm 8:59 pm
Obama just man handled the Deval Patrick question as well.
Posted by: Ray | February 21, 2008, 8:59 pm 8:59 pm
You can clearly see how nervous Obama is at times… unlike Hillary who’s been the most composed.
Posted by: DMK | February 21, 2008, 8:59 pm 8:59 pm
The Gloves are starting to come off!!!
Posted by: Larry | February 21, 2008, 9:00 pm 9:00 pm
LADY LOVe HILLARY!!!!We love you! Honor our country and bring back love and patriotism..
Posted by: Hillary_Heals_Hate | February 21, 2008, 9:01 pm 9:01 pm
How can Hillary Clinton say that after watching her lift from Obama’s Houston speech all night long?
She’s desperate and people see through her and her contrived answers.
Posted by: Karl | February 21, 2008, 9:01 pm 9:01 pm
Someone once said that we vote “for” a politican… we vote “against” them. In other words, we vote for the lesser of the available evils. Barack is the first person in a long time that people are voting “for” . He does not come across as the typical “greasy” politican.
Posted by: politikaljunkie | February 21, 2008, 9:02 pm 9:02 pm
Did Obama said that you health care plan is not good now? Maybe it is an error on his part.
Posted by: voteforme008 | February 21, 2008, 9:04 pm 9:04 pm
Correction….Someone once said that we don’t vote “for” a politican… we vote “against” them. In other words, we vote for the lesser of the available evils. Barack is the first person in a long time that people are voting “for” . He does not come across as the typical “greasy” politican.
Posted by: politikaljunkie | February 21, 2008, 9:04 pm 9:04 pm
anyone else watching Lost and the debate?
Posted by: Ray | February 21, 2008, 9:06 pm 9:06 pm
voteforme008
He did say his plan is not so good now. People will make a deal out of it. Mistake on his part.
Posted by: helen | February 21, 2008, 9:07 pm 9:07 pm
“anyone else watching Lost and the debate?”
Yep. Now that AI and survivor are finished
Posted by: The Commander Guy | February 21, 2008, 9:08 pm 9:08 pm
I am not the only one who compare Obama with Mao ZeDong in China. There are striking similarities. Why American people don’t see it? The young Americans are like the young red-guard in China in 1967. They were provoked by Mao’s inspring speeches. They wanted to smash the old world to welcome a new China. What has happened? They distroyed 5000 year Chinese culture and value, more than 10 million people died. Young Obama supporters, do you want same thing happen here? Right now, when Chinese people summarize this Culture Revolution, they say, Mao ZeDong manipulated the young Chinese people in 1960th. Young American voters, wake up.
Posted by: Hard | February 21, 2008, 9:08 pm 9:08 pm
WOW!! I feel so proud of this debate ..i think i want to start singing..! lol
O beautiful for spacious skies,
For amber waves of grain,
For purple mountain majesties
Above the fruited plain!
America! America!
God shed his grace on thee
And crown thy good with brotherhood
From sea to shining sea!
Posted by: Hillary_Heals_Hate | February 21, 2008, 9:09 pm 9:09 pm
Oh, Hard. You’ve got to be kidding me! Mao?!? Jeez!
Posted by: Jackt51 | February 21, 2008, 9:10 pm 9:10 pm
Nice to have your company Commander Guy
Posted by: Ray | February 21, 2008, 9:11 pm 9:11 pm
She ducks the chance to hit on “Ready from Day One for more on health care — single issue candidate? And she couldn’t get it done in the 90s
Posted by: Jackt51 | February 21, 2008, 9:12 pm 9:12 pm
McCain: Admits in his own Memoirs that he winches when he thinks of what he did for Keating in the 1980′s. But yet he is continuing the same pattern with his Lobbying friends. McCain escaped the punishment that the other senators had in the Keating Scandal. Yet Keating was McCain’s friend for years. Keating was McCain’s wife partner in the Investment of the Arizona Shopping Mall. McCain is the one who wrote letters and introduced legislation to help his friend Keating, BEFORE McCain joined with other Senators whom McCain drew in and forming the Keating Five. Hmm, McCain the Slickest, Contradicting, Republican Candidate. Obama08
Posted by: Angie | February 21, 2008, 9:13 pm 9:13 pm
It’s NOT fair that Obama is being given more time to speak!
Posted by: DMK | February 21, 2008, 9:13 pm 9:13 pm
Okay, so four years later factories are still being dismantled and jobs shipped overseas.
What’s your point?
Posted by: Jackt51 | February 21, 2008, 9:14 pm 9:14 pm
Barack has got to stop starting off so many of his sentances with the words.. “Understand”. Or “Understand this”. He’s just used it twice in the last rebuttal
Posted by: politikaljunkie | February 21, 2008, 9:14 pm 9:14 pm
Here are my thoughts.. Hillary for President and Obama for vice president..If they joined hand in hand..this world can stand…
Posted by: Hillary_Heals_Hate | February 21, 2008, 9:16 pm 9:16 pm
to;Guevera–You say that 47% of Americans would not vote for Hillary??Well,count me into that 47%.Carolyn
Posted by: Carolyn | February 21, 2008, 9:17 pm 9:17 pm
Really, this is Clinton’s major theme tonight? Obama’s using other people’s words (Re: John Kerry memo her team is passing out to reporters). This makes her a better presidental candidate then Obama? That’s the best she can do? That smell? That’s desparation.
Posted by: T. Christensen | February 21, 2008, 9:17 pm 9:17 pm
And we’ll all drink Coke and smile, HHH???
Maybe teach the world to sing in Spanish?
Posted by: Jackt51 | February 21, 2008, 9:17 pm 9:17 pm
Hillary/Obama ticket?? No thank you. Hillary should go home. Enough of her dirty politics!!
Posted by: Hillary_Is_Hate | February 21, 2008, 9:18 pm 9:18 pm
She can still win with 53%.
Posted by: voteforme008 | February 21, 2008, 9:19 pm 9:19 pm
I saw that “deer in the headlights” moment during the health care exchange. His response just doesn’t make sense and he knows it! Children’s health care consumes a far smaller cost to the taxpayer than costs for adults – far greater numbers of children are healthier than adults. The mandate must be on adults – we have far too many people who can afford insurance but gamble that they won’t need it. Their gamble is what costs us as taxpayers and people who pay for health care privately (meaning non-employer group health plans). In fact, those who pay privately can feel like saps vis a vis those who can pay but won’t. Mandates are the way to go!
Posted by: mass voter | February 21, 2008, 9:19 pm 9:19 pm
We don’t care Carolyn.
Posted by: DMK | February 21, 2008, 9:19 pm 9:19 pm
Hillary already screwed up the health system once….why let her screw it up twice. Obama should take over!
Posted by: GWHAL | February 21, 2008, 9:19 pm 9:19 pm
In order to have a strong military you need a strong manufacturing economy. If you ship all of the jobs overseas and shut down factories, then you cut the legs out from under the military. The U.S. military is about to become a paper tiger.
Posted by: politikaljunkie | February 21, 2008, 9:21 pm 9:21 pm
Hillary back up!!!! you came acoss as angry very defensive. Im sorry Borack sounded ..Calm, colective and very presidential. congratulations to Borack for keeping the cool as alway.
Posted by: GRACE | February 21, 2008, 9:22 pm 9:22 pm
Hillary has no debate manners. You can she is pushy and aggressive and does not answer the questions she just goes on a tangent talking what she wants to say….
Posted by: gwhal | February 21, 2008, 9:22 pm 9:22 pm
Is she TRYING to grow a she-mullet?
Posted by: Melissa Compagnucci | February 21, 2008, 9:23 pm 9:23 pm
Here we go again. He would have us believe that we are bogged down in Iraq solely because Clinton voted to give the commander in chief the authority he requested to make the decision that he/she alone can make. War is not a group decision. Clinton wasn’t the only one to vote to give him this authority. When it looked like we had quickly gotten rid of the monster that Hussein was, Obama changed his tune by getting rid of any mention of his opposition to the war. It wasn’t until we got bogged down in a Civil War that he restated his original opposition. He’s a weasel!
Posted by: mass voter | February 21, 2008, 9:24 pm 9:24 pm
I will not be sick if he’s the nominee. I will vote for Big Mac, the other side.
Posted by: voteforme008 | February 21, 2008, 9:24 pm 9:24 pm
You’ve been awfully quiet, Rick…
And H4M, take some Tums and get over it!
Posted by: Jackt51 | February 21, 2008, 9:24 pm 9:24 pm
Hillary WILL heal the heart of this nation.. Obama is way too close to the face of war.. It would be a slap in face of every american soldier to come home to this turmoil and strife…the country needs time to heal..Obama could become president after Hillary. He needs time to prove his metal..
Posted by: Hillary_Heals_Hate | February 21, 2008, 9:24 pm 9:24 pm
I want to hear “both” of them be more specific about troup withdrawl. I don’t want to know just “when” they plan on pulling out but “how many and how long until they are all out”.
Posted by: politikaljunkie | February 21, 2008, 9:25 pm 9:25 pm
LOVE IS BLIND, if you can’t see that HILLARY is ready. She outshined Obama. I am sooooooooooooooo excited and convinced. Obama just repeated I agree with Clinton but I am just better so vote for me.
She is the BIONIC WOMAN. Let’s get excited.
Posted by: Maria | February 21, 2008, 9:26 pm 9:26 pm
Yeah “Hard” – get your facts straight. The United States of America is a democracy. One man (or woman) can not and will not control the US. The primary role of the president (if you know anything about what a president is supposed to do) is to be chief citizen. Obama has my support b/c he displayed this so well by taking several years of his life to serve the Chicago community while he could have been making much more money. I don’t think Mao did quite the same. Once again – get your facts straight.
Posted by: andyj | February 21, 2008, 9:27 pm 9:27 pm
No damage seen from this corner. Very tame debate, which is not what Hillary needed. On the other hand, I don’t know that getting all up in his face would have worked for her either. So she took the high road, to her long term credit (post 11/08).
Posted by: Jackt51 | February 21, 2008, 9:27 pm 9:27 pm
Hillary is as good as gone. Get over it already.
Posted by: Hillary_Is_Hate | February 21, 2008, 9:27 pm 9:27 pm
Obama’s kickin’ ass!!!
Posted by: jenny | February 21, 2008, 9:28 pm 9:28 pm
Hillary might have the so called self inflicted “experience” however, she changes the rules of the debate just like she changes her position on Iraq…She would score high if she were to say: “I made a mistake”…. it is her arrogance that turns people off. Worse is that she has “experience” but Hillary does not learn what really works. I did not vote for Obama…but if given another choice…after seeing Hillary, I would vote for Obama!!!
Posted by: gwhal | February 21, 2008, 9:28 pm 9:28 pm
Rick – That is the all important question and the answer is, “No.” If anything she lost ground. It was really a pretty docile exchange all night, save for the Xerox comment which really went down hill for ….well, Hill.
Posted by: Ray | February 21, 2008, 9:28 pm 9:28 pm
I agree that the debate has been very tame so far…
Posted by: DMK | February 21, 2008, 9:29 pm 9:29 pm
GWHAL – Clinton at least took a risk when she took on health care in the 90′s. She’s admitted that she underestimated the entrenched interests of the health care lobby. I’d rather someone who appreciates the challenge and wants to take it on again, than someone who found it preferable to vote “present” on issues that are so important to Democrats – that set us apart from Republicans. Why couldn’t he take a stand – many of these issues didn’t even pose a risk for him!
It’s because his handler – Axelrod told him that it’s easier to create a persona than to defend a substantive record.
Hillary ’08!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: mass voter | February 21, 2008, 9:29 pm 9:29 pm
She is one tough cookie and I see her as more presidential especially in international matters. He is a little imature with some of his hand & face jesters.
Posted by: jim | February 21, 2008, 9:29 pm 9:29 pm
voteforme008 — biden and paul in the same sentence? Give me a break! You really do need to drop the fascade.
Posted by: Jackt51 | February 21, 2008, 9:30 pm 9:30 pm
Hillary can’t achieve a knock out punch, so she’s not trying. She can only hope to appear as the more competent candidate in the hopes of winning Texas and Ohio. Then she might be in the game. Might.
Posted by: Mark | February 21, 2008, 9:31 pm 9:31 pm
I think she’s 100% correct in not leaving anyone out of the healthcare program. Like she said, if you do the insurance companies will have the upper hand.
Posted by: jim | February 21, 2008, 9:31 pm 9:31 pm
Obama’s right on speaking about the economy, on going after al Qaida, and dealing with Pakistan differently than GW Bush. Obama’s right speaking about the Veterans being neglected. They have been Neglected for too long. Obama’s right on Securing America’s Boarders. The Republicans have had 7+ years to do it, but they FAILED. Time to change Washington DC. Time to put in the new. Obama08
Posted by: Angie | February 21, 2008, 9:32 pm 9:32 pm
I agree with Jack51. Nothing significant so far. Hillary’s debate style is smoother, but not enough to sway a non-believer or even a fence sitter. We will see how it develops.
Posted by: Maverick | February 21, 2008, 9:33 pm 9:33 pm
Then vote for McCain…that’s you’re democratic choice.
Obama is going toe-to-toe against Clinton and is taking the blows as well as dishin’ them out. Clinton needs a 12th round knockout, or again, it’s over for her!
Posted by: Larry | February 21, 2008, 9:33 pm 9:33 pm
I agree with Jack51. Nothing significant so far. Hillary’s debate style is smoother, but not enough to sway a non-believer or even a fence sitter. We will see how it develops.
Posted by: Maverick | February 21, 2008, 9:33 pm 9:33 pm
Being first lady is NOT experience, it’s a PERK.
Posted by: jenny | February 21, 2008, 9:34 pm 9:34 pm
Interesting thing is that when you listen to them (Hill and Obama) they just both sound like soundbites–very little detail or depth. When I consider the last few Repub debates tehy have gone so much deeper and just sound a lot more intellignet. I like Obama, wouldn’t mind him being Prez., but McCain jsut sounds alot more intelligent and alot deepr on Iraq, like him or not.
Posted by: stanley | February 21, 2008, 9:36 pm 9:36 pm
I’m tired of hearing the “present” issue from Hillary supporters. Statistically, voting ‘present’ 100 times out of over 1500 votes is less than 7%. And the ‘present’ vote is essentially counted as a ‘yes’ vote in Illinois. Why don’t we look at his other 1400+ ‘yes’ and ‘no’ votes? Possibly b/c you’re too lazy “mass voter”
Posted by: andyj | February 21, 2008, 9:37 pm 9:37 pm
This debate, or slow dance, is so docile, that I’m starting to believe the reason Clinton is playing nice is because she want’s a job in the Obama Whitehouse. Perhaps VP?
Posted by: Larry | February 21, 2008, 9:37 pm 9:37 pm
It’s Over, Hillary’
Go home
Posted by: Carlo | February 21, 2008, 9:37 pm 9:37 pm
Correction I was agreeing with Mark (sorry Jack51)
Posted by: Maverick | February 21, 2008, 9:38 pm 9:38 pm
mass voter says: “GWHAL – Clinton at least took a risk when she took on health care in the 90′s. She’s admitted that she underestimated the entrenched interests of the health care lobby.”
Ya Babe she gave her best shot and royally ####### it up big time. HillaryCare failed.
Posted by: The Commander Guy | February 21, 2008, 9:38 pm 9:38 pm
Where is Bill Clinton? Did Hillary chain him to a chair at home (figure of speech) so he would not follow her to the debate? Is Hillary concerned that Bill Clinton will be a bigger liability?
Hillary + Bill: could not implement universal health care when Bill was in power, what makes us think that it will happen now? Frankly, I think that Obama will walk the talk!!
Posted by: GLO | February 21, 2008, 9:39 pm 9:39 pm
Jackt51…
I like Joe Biden for his experience and Ron Paul for his strong stand on undocumented workers. I have been a democrat for over 48 years and feel that I must stay with the party. This is the first time that I have/will look at the other side of the fence for the best interest of the US.
Posted by: voteforme008 | February 21, 2008, 9:39 pm 9:39 pm
Hillary give em HELL!!!! Men please respect women and give us the chance to be president. TRy practicing not being so greedy ..just for once…I bet everyone will reap the benefits if Hillary gets in as president.
Posted by: Hillary_Heals_Hate | February 21, 2008, 9:39 pm 9:39 pm
I think he just said he doesn’t have enough experience.
Posted by: jim | February 21, 2008, 9:40 pm 9:40 pm
Hillary throws Bill under the bus!!!!
Posted by: mike | February 21, 2008, 9:41 pm 9:41 pm
Hillary_Heals_Hate says: “Hillary give em HELL!!!! Men please respect women and give us the chance to be president.”
Give us someone we can vote for. Hills ain’t it. She’s still playin the victim card.
Posted by: The Commander Guy | February 21, 2008, 9:43 pm 9:43 pm
1. Hillary’s claim that “[a candidate's] words should be their own” would appear to rule out speech writers. We should ask if she wrote the xerox line or if someone else suggested it?
2. She criticized McCain for Supporting the Iraq War.
3. Wow love and a handshake. Looks like she’s swinging for vp!
Posted by: Benjamin | February 21, 2008, 9:43 pm 9:43 pm
Michael, the Democrats, filled with liberals, has always been marked more by emotionalism that well thought out plans. It’s the way of the liberal bleeding heart. Great ideas but lacking any innovation other than taxing, taxing, taxing. Teh goverment is wholly inept. Work in a gov job and see what I mean. It’s obvious goverment can’t be relied on to fix much and yet the Dems somehow keep thinking they can. It’s rallying behind an emotional idea –”we’re (the gov.) are there for you.” Yeah, great. A big lazy inept slob there or not is gonna do nothing really helpful but get in the way.
Posted by: munshy | February 21, 2008, 9:43 pm 9:43 pm
Yes! THAT’S THE HILLARY WE KNOW, THE ONE WITH PURPOSE WHEN SHE WAKES DAILY!
Posted by: IRMA | February 21, 2008, 9:44 pm 9:44 pm
During the debate Hillary recognized that she went through crisis and challenges …did she mean when Bill was messing around with Monica Lewinsky and he was lying to the nation? I think it was her ambition that lead her through those times… How could she leave Bill if he was her road to the office?
Posted by: GLO | February 21, 2008, 9:45 pm 9:45 pm
HILLARY I LOVE YOU….. SHE SAID SHE WAS HONORED TO BE SHARING THE STAGE WITH BARACK… what a moving, gracious way to end the evening…. now contrast that with the sheer viciousness of the Obamanites!
Posted by: DMK | February 21, 2008, 9:45 pm 9:45 pm
This and one other thread two days ago are the only places I’ve seen ‘men’ claim to be Clinton supporters.
Again with the experience comments, yet no mention of Hillary’s own experience? If you are going to throw a charge, it is more effective if your candidate has that attribute.
Obama isn’t JFK. He has the speech and teflon of a great president–Reagan.
Posted by: jim | February 21, 2008, 9:45 pm 9:45 pm
I want Hillary for president because I think this this is what our country needs to heal..Picture Lady Hillary leading the troops home..like the statue of Liberty…TRUTH <JUSTice and Liberty for all..
Posted by: Hillary_Heals_Hate | February 21, 2008, 9:45 pm 9:45 pm
Klein says: Good sentiment to close with for Clinton: “Well I think everyone here knows I’ve lived through some crises.”
Posted by: The Commander Guy | February 21, 2008, 9:46 pm 9:46 pm
Ok so she goes for the emotional end “I’m honored” — not feeling her playing two sides of the fence —- tomorrow she will be saying his voters are delusional.
Posted by: angie | February 21, 2008, 9:48 pm 9:48 pm
Although I think Clinton did better tonight–a smoother flowing delivery, something was still lacking. She never really seemed “fired up and ready to go.” I almost get the feeling that she is starting to resign herself to loosing. It’s like an animal injured, pinned down but lashing out occassionally, but very ineffectively. I really get a sense that she is like arocket on the last few jet fumes, starting to pass the apex and start hurtling down.
Posted by: Dennis | February 21, 2008, 9:49 pm 9:49 pm
Funny, we just watched lost on FOX and Lost on CNN
Posted by: Nestor in Miami | February 21, 2008, 9:49 pm 9:49 pm
HHH… I am a woman. I agree with Commander. Hillary ain’t it. We will have a woman president just not this time.
Posted by: Vixen | February 21, 2008, 9:50 pm 9:50 pm
She NEVER said his voters are delusional.
Posted by: DMK | February 21, 2008, 9:51 pm 9:51 pm
Regardless of what comes next, I’ll be able to live for days on that closing statement of hers. She is amazing, effective, PRESIDENTIAL.
(He looked like he wanted to jump in to have the last word – more “me, tooisms”. I’m so glad that Campbell Brown allowed her the last word. It was the best possible closing – again, Clinton’s amazing!
Posted by: mass voter | February 21, 2008, 9:52 pm 9:52 pm
Angie, you call 10 Million to a University law school over 5 years Pork?(a public University that is) You are really reaching here, for the bottom of the barrell
Posted by: Nestor in Miami | February 21, 2008, 9:53 pm 9:53 pm
“Change you can Xerox”, “Actions speak lauder than words” and “Obama surrogate who was unable to name a single Obama accomplishment”
Hillary Clinton strong lines defining effectively Barack Obama candidacy.
Posted by: Angel | February 21, 2008, 9:54 pm 9:54 pm
MASS VOTER, I totally agree with you.. Earlier on, she even said that he was eloquent passionate … That smug guy didn’t say a single nice thing about her..
Posted by: DMK | February 21, 2008, 9:54 pm 9:54 pm
I think I heard a beginning of a concession speech from Hillary in that last statement.
Posted by: Bob, DC | February 21, 2008, 9:55 pm 9:55 pm
Angel…..
this is good: “Change you can Xerox”,
Posted by: voteforme008 | February 21, 2008, 9:55 pm 9:55 pm
CNN commentators, pack it in. She clearly won.
Posted by: mass voter | February 21, 2008, 9:56 pm 9:56 pm
THIS IS the TIME FOR you HILLARY!!!! I LOVE YOU AND i think you’ll make a remarkable president.! and Obama will make a great vice president (Possible President).
Posted by: Hillary_Heals_Hate | February 21, 2008, 9:56 pm 9:56 pm
“Change you can Xerox”
Old old old old people talkin about the zerox.
Who even know what zeroxin means?
Posted by: The Commander Guy | February 21, 2008, 9:56 pm 9:56 pm
Hillary_heals_hate, picture hillary trying to get the troops home, while the GOP fillibusters and keeps them there 3-4 years. Picture a Rwanda type genocyde, and the US being blamed for it. Nobody can get us out of Iraq in 1 year. You dont just turn it off and close your eyes and hope it is gone when you open them again. It will be a long, arduous task for whomever is elected.
Posted by: Nestor in Miami | February 21, 2008, 9:58 pm 9:58 pm
“Change you can xerox” was a dud. She was booed shortly thereafter. Hillary is completely stymied by Obama at this point. When she went negative, her blows glanced off him. She was strong on policy, as usual, but she needs to bring him down, and she didn’t. Race over. Will she take a veep slot (no) or go back and be Majority Leader in the Senate – where she would be formidable?
Posted by: KP | February 21, 2008, 10:00 pm 10:00 pm
Ok Democrats no matter who you are for, start doing your own research about McCain. There is so much proof that McCain is the Contradictory Candidate. He said that statement against the Democratic candidates on Sunday and Monday claiming that he himself is righteous. Yet McCain’s past and most recent history says he is not. Do Not let McCain get away with it. Obama08
Posted by: Angie | February 21, 2008, 10:01 pm 10:01 pm
Hillary, I would like to nominate you for debate team captain, please leave the presidency to someone that can actually get the job done.
Posted by: Nestor in Miami | February 21, 2008, 10:01 pm 10:01 pm
Health care, green jobs, immigration reform, the experience she listed, Cuba and finally the story of wounded soldiers and her realizing that she wants to contribute toward a better life
for people throughout the country, receiving a standing ovation; Hillary found her voice AGAIN!
Posted by: irma | February 21, 2008, 10:02 pm 10:02 pm
Obama looked confuse on foreign policy specially the Cuba question.
Posted by: Angel | February 21, 2008, 10:03 pm 10:03 pm
I disagree with Obama. Just because you have endorsements doesn’t mean that the people aren’t dillusional.
Posted by: jim | February 21, 2008, 10:07 pm 10:07 pm
I think all the candidates did a great job .!No way would i have dared to get up their do all that public speaking.. Thanks for doing this… It was a historical occasion having a first blackman and first women so close to the presidency..I think they need to join forces..woman on top of course..LOL it’s the only way it’ll happen!!
Posted by: Hillary_Heals_Hate | February 21, 2008, 10:09 pm 10:09 pm
you are just as desperate as Clinton.
Obama gave strong leadership by not attacking and keeping it positive. She has been talking a different and more negative message not really that “i’m so honored” message she gave tonight, which does not suite well for leadership.
She might not have said “delusional” but she is helping to spoon it —
Posted by: angie | February 21, 2008, 10:10 pm 10:10 pm
Hillary’s ending speech about the wounded soldiers, she could be a Republican. Waving the flag and talking about the troops disfigured in an unnecessary conflict she authorized. Pushing me to stay home.
Posted by: SM | February 21, 2008, 10:11 pm 10:11 pm
Barack Obama appeared to drop or hide his idea of driver license to illegals.
It is not popular in Texas.
Posted by: Angel | February 21, 2008, 10:12 pm 10:12 pm
I think the debate was overall more or less equal. But I think the ending statment by Sen. Clinton was spectacular, it was warm it appeared natural, and I felt it. I’m a huge Clinton supporter, and I hope she’ll win the nomination but if she doesn’t that ending statement made it all worth while, every call I’ve mad, and every dollar I’ve contributed.
Thanx Hillary!
Posted by: Ryan | February 21, 2008, 10:13 pm 10:13 pm
The commentators just don’t get it. She began this evening with a deficit, – according to all of the commentators the only way she could win was if he made some glaring mistake and she couldn’t win by going negative. But, if you ask the average voter, she continued to do well what she always does well, discuss the complexities of her plans and the challenges we face.
Note: To those people who haven’t had to read about actual raids and deportations of undocumented immigrants, count yourselves lucky that you didn’t go to bed having nightmares of children returning from school to an empty house, kids left in the care of a neighbor whose moms were locked up and deported. It happened last year in New Bedford, Massachusetts!
Universal coverage means mandates – that’s how it works. You won’t be educated about this issue by Obama supporters, though.
She nailed the evening, though with that closing. Hillary, You’re the WoMAN!
Posted by: twinmom48 | February 21, 2008, 10:15 pm 10:15 pm
“What we saw in the final moments in that debate is why Hillary Clinton is the next President of the United States. Her strength, her life experience, her compassion. She’s tested and ready. It was the moment she retook the reins of this race and showed women and men why she is the best choice” – Howard Wolfson
Posted by: DMK | February 21, 2008, 10:15 pm 10:15 pm
Who won the debate? I think the American people won. Hilary scored a couple of times, especially with her closing statement. But more important, Barack didn’t lose. He clearly established himself to be ready to lead on day-one.
Posted by: Opa | February 21, 2008, 10:16 pm 10:16 pm
Health Care, Green jobs, immigration reform, listing her EXPERIENCE and finally describing our wounded soldiers and how she decided early in life that she wanted to improve the daily lives of people throughout the nation, receiving a standing ovation. I believe she has found her voice again. I will vote for Hillary in the general!
Posted by: Becky | February 21, 2008, 10:17 pm 10:17 pm
Taylor Marsh said it best:
The last moment was her moment, talking about her struggles and what has tested her. The audience got it. She smiled. Then she mentioned The Intrepid. Then gave a moving and heartfelt statement that blew the room out, showing her humanity and her grace. Clinton stated that whatever she goes though is nothing compared to what others suffer. She said she was honored to be here, honored to be running with Barack Obama, which you could tell even touched him, then they shook hands. That moment at the end she owned. Her grace came through, her heart was open. The audience loved it.
At the end, the audience jumped to their feet. It was in great part because of Clinton’s close. It’s what people will be talking about. Women will be moved by her. She showed the same grace that came through in New Hampshire. Tremendous moment on which to end.
Posted by: DMK | February 21, 2008, 10:18 pm 10:18 pm
Hillary brought the people to their feet when she showed who she truly is. Hillary Clinton is about working for the good of the people. Hillary Clinton has a vision and solutions.
Posted by: irma | February 21, 2008, 10:32 pm 10:32 pm
In Hillary Clinton, with all her shortcomings, I have always seen a very competent leader (a kind of leader I have never had a chance to vote for in my own country) and I’m sorry I could never vote for her.
I have mixed feelings about her last answer. On the one hand, I feel like it was THE game changer. On the other hand, it sounded valedictory.
March 4 could be the end of the campaign that as a dedicated supporter, I must admit she didn’t run well at all.But what a great loss for America and the world.
Senator Clinton or Madam President as I have always wished to call you, my warmest wishes to you no matter what happens on March 4.
Posted by: Iranian Supporter of Hillary | February 21, 2008, 10:33 pm 10:33 pm
Like Opa I’ll be voting for McCain if Obama is nominated. When I read an Obama supporter addressing an individual as a nitwit on this blog, it doesn’t sit well with me. Ted Kennedy took on President Carter in 1980, and his disenchanted followers helped Carter to lose the general election.
Posted by: Texas Voter | February 21, 2008, 10:41 pm 10:41 pm
hillary did not parrot obama’s economic policies, Obama did not have any economic policies early on….only after Hillary talked specifics on her economic plans , including green jobs, did you much later hear Obama give any specifics on “his” economic plans…mmmmm….and what is with Obama’s Mitt Romney imitation in his tv ad in Ohio…white shirt sleeves rolled up ….trying to look like he was one of the average joes…..oh he is for change, he’s different and not like every other politician ..so that could not have been him in that TV ad ….saying and doing whatever it takes to get elected….
Posted by: lee | February 21, 2008, 10:43 pm 10:43 pm
Hillary/Ewards ’09………………….
Posted by: irma | February 21, 2008, 10:47 pm 10:47 pm
Hillary won my mind, when she first entered into this race. Tonight, with that ending statement, she was won my heart!
Keeping fighting Hillary!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Ryan | February 21, 2008, 10:50 pm 10:50 pm
Rick Klein says, “If all you’re doing as a voter is making a judgment based on this debate, it’s easy to come away supporting Clinton.” I’m not sure which debate he was watching–obviously not tonight’s. He makes this statement without ANY evidence. As a reader, I’m not interested in what he thinks; I’m interested in what he knows. How did Klein come up with his conclusion? Was it based on the boos Clinton provoked? Or the supportive laughter after Obama’s remarks about the frivolity of Clinton’s charges? Klein will not give specifics. Readers should also note that Klein is not addressing his remarks to anyone who watched the debates. If that were the case, he wouldn’t excrete such a baseless conclusion.
Posted by: Justin Rhodes | February 21, 2008, 10:55 pm 10:55 pm
Right now, America is sick. We need a highly experienced surgeon to cut through its body to remove the tumor and prescribe exact medicine with right dose so that it will heal. A first year surgical resident, no matter how well does he talks, will not be able to fulfil this job. Andyi, Obama is like a first year surgical resident. Even with Ted Kennedy or John Kerry as partner, he will not be able to operate on our big America properly. He will probably be able to remove the tumor, but the patient will die from bleeding eventually. American voters, if you are sick, will you pick an experienced doctor or a first year medical resident to treat you?
Posted by: Hard | February 21, 2008, 11:26 pm 11:26 pm
I PRAY THAT OBAMA WINS TEXAS AND OHIO
Posted by: Wanda | February 21, 2008, 11:27 pm 11:27 pm
Hillary show she is the real president at last question.
but all media don’t mention even replay.
If any one watch in full the last question, you will find who is real.
She is real speaker! Not a professional speecher.
she is real.
But all media want kill her. Sad to be American.
Posted by: larratta | February 21, 2008, 11:28 pm 11:28 pm
Has Obama said how this national service he is speaking about is going to work? What if we are at war what happens to all these young people that are engaging in this National Service. How is this thing going to work I sure wish he would explain
Posted by: SJ | February 21, 2008, 11:30 pm 11:30 pm
I couldn’t vote for him because he has not addressed the way most of the people for him are so hateful as a grandmother I hope my grandchildren behave better than some of the young people who are posting on all the blogs
Posted by: Bishop | February 21, 2008, 11:32 pm 11:32 pm
I’m starting to suspect that the same pro-Clinton people are repeatedly writing supportive comments about her but under different names. Look, the comments written in here are not going to change the minds of ANYONE.
I want to read original, insightful comments in here, so please stop rehashing propaganda.
Posted by: William | February 21, 2008, 11:34 pm 11:34 pm
The last answer said it all.
Obama was all about himself. ME ME ME ME ME…how sad and difficult it has been for ME!
Hillary recognized that America is a great place that she was proud of…and has given her many blessings.
Posted by: nicholas | February 21, 2008, 11:34 pm 11:34 pm
Why don’t we call “universal healthcare coverage” what it really is? It is socialized medicine. If you must be covered then what is the difference? The fact that you pay a subsidized premium instead of if just coming out of taxes? There is no difference. But of course if you call it socialized medicine it could never pass. Oh, but that’s right – it didn’t pass the first time Hillary tried it.
Funny that Obama is called the most liberal of senators yet he is advocating some level of personal choice and responsibility instead of a complete nanny state. Personal choice and personal responsibility… sounds good to me!
Posted by: sumisu | February 21, 2008, 11:43 pm 11:43 pm
Loved the fact she got roundly booed for the Xerox comment.
But then I got scared by that creepy smile she kept showing the entire time she was BEING BOOED HELLO???!!!
Either she was bluffing, or she thought they were booing Obama.
If we’re going to insist on “Experience” as the only marker for electability – then Clinton will lose. McCain has been in Congress since 1982. That’s 26 years. Then he was with the US Military for an additional 22 years or something. That makes 48 years Experience in leadership.
McCain Pwns Clinton.
Posted by: Chicka | February 21, 2008, 11:46 pm 11:46 pm
It’s clear from the debate, as well as people’s comments in this forum, that Senator Clinton won. Her erudition, her originality, and her sponteneity (especially with that Xerox remark!) were superior. Senator Obama seemed almost dough-eyed. I felt sorry for him. It’s not his fault, though. It’s just that he could never be Clinton’s equal; she’s too prepared and too experienced. My hope is that there will be more debates. Advice to Obama: step aside and let the lady through!
Posted by: Dr. John Peterson, Ph.D. | February 21, 2008, 11:47 pm 11:47 pm
Hey everyone! Wasn’t the debate exciting? Senator Clinton was fantastic. She was much more articulate than Obama. I felt so sorry for him. There were several times when I thought he would start sobbing like an infant. Get real, America! We need Senator Clinton to lead us. She’ll be ready from day one! She’s got the experience and the moxy!!!!
Posted by: Leslie 4 Clinton! | February 21, 2008, 11:52 pm 11:52 pm
Everyone is applauding Hillary’s final statement.
Come on people think deeply. She is the one with her bad judgment voted to go to WAR. And now she citing on wounded soilders they way they are suffering??????????????????
Doesn’t she understand that is the result of her bad judgment??????????
Her vote had affected thousands of families.
Is this the way she is regretting why she voted for the WAR??????????????
Posted by: Peace | February 21, 2008, 11:56 pm 11:56 pm
At the time when Obama was against the war, he had no access to Senate or US intelligence. He was just a Illinois senator. His anti-war stance was based on a guess.
If he wins the White House, I sure hope he brings his crystal ball along to make decisions.
Oh heck, he’ll probably just skip out and miss the important votes and snipe about them later. OH wait, he can’t do that as President.
Think America before you vote!
Posted by: nicholas | February 22, 2008, 12:00 am 12:00 am
Senator Clinton kept it real. She smiled. She drew laughter. She stood strong. She stood for America. As Democrats, we need to stand by Hillary because she stands for America. America needs her more than ever. Hillary will help us come together. So what if Senator Obama is articulate? I know a lot of articulate people who are superficial! This isn’t a speech contest. This is America, and America doesn’t need words. Words are meaningless. America needs solutions, and because of Hillary’s experience, she’ll implement those solutions on her first day as President. I can’t wait. I love this country so much! Thanks everyone!
Posted by: Lisa Jeffords | February 22, 2008, 12:01 am 12:01 am
Does anyone else feel this sick feeling in the pit of their stomach over this election cycle? The next 4-8 years will be some very trying times for America… for the world. Do we really want to take a chance with an unknown? I am deeply concerned at the motives for pushing Obama to the forefront so early in his career….. does anyone else feel like he is being used…. being duped…. maybe even being set up to fail. He is not ready.
Posted by: Missy-Kansas | February 22, 2008, 12:04 am 12:04 am
Hillary did great tonight. Her last comment was great and Obama Hussein was talking about when he was young (we knew he was talking about being a drug addict)He sounded like he was doing a High School debate and Hillary was Presidential. Hillary will be the next President of the United States.
God Bless.
Posted by: Bruce | February 22, 2008, 12:10 am 12:10 am
Hillary definitely has much more experience, and we saw it here tonight. Her experience is unmatched. Don’t forget that we need someone experienced to lead this country. PLEASE keep this is mind: Hillary = Experience. I know what I’m saying isn’t very original, but it’s still true. And it needs to be said over and over again. I hope you all will support Hillary. I want the next eight years to be like President Clinton’s eight years: peaceful and proserperous. And did you notice Hillary’s confidence tonight? She lashed Senator Obama. But he did have a few good lines. He isn’t a bad person. When Hillary wins the nomination, I’m sure Senator Obama’s supporters will come around. I’m sure tonight’s debate convinced a number of people to support Hillary instead of Obama. I’m sorry for going on like this! Thank you.
Posted by: Beth Severson | February 22, 2008, 12:11 am 12:11 am
I am very tired of the “Hillary voted for the Iraq War” comments. Listen to her speak on the floor of the Senate during the time of the vote….. actually take the time to understand WHY she voted for it and what her intent was. She makes it very clear that she only supports military action as a last resort. Obama has even said he can’t say for sure how he would have voted…. BECAUSE HE DIDN’T HAVE TO. The majority of Americans were in agreement given the information that was provided… 9-11/bad intel/Saddam had had WMD’s in the 90′s and he was vocalizing the fact that he had them at the time…… please quit this argument; it goes against everything that is American.
Posted by: Missy | February 22, 2008, 12:13 am 12:13 am
To much pride is not a good thing
Posted by: Bishop | February 22, 2008, 12:14 am 12:14 am
I want to thank Rick Klein for his observations. I loved his wry comments. Your writing is second-to-none! Great job tonight. I look forward to reading more. I agree with most of the people in here. Mrs. Clinton was superior. I’m sorry to say this, but Mr. Obama looked like he was about to fall asleep. I think this is going to be a close race. It’s so exciting. I could go on and on, but I’m not going to because I’ll just be saying the same things that others have said.
Posted by: Arnold Davis | February 22, 2008, 12:17 am 12:17 am
Keep it strong, Hillary. Your campaign workers are doing an excellent job. They must be dedicated and experienced–just like you. I enjoyed your energy tonight. Political blogger Rick Klein is correct: you one the debate. Don’t back down, not for a second. This country needs you. For now, Obama should stay in the Senate. I’m very confused by his actions. You helped him get elected and he turns around and stabs you in the back like this. He should be standing with you. Maybe you guys will run together. Anyway, I don’t know why he’s being so ungrateful. The nerve of him! Best of luck to you.
Posted by: Barton Czaja | February 22, 2008, 12:24 am 12:24 am
Obama clearly won the debate.
Hillary’s last line of the night came from a John Edwards speech.
I have never seen a debate end where only one person knew it was ending and played the crowd. You can pop ballons at a birthday party but that won’t jive when talking to foriegn leaders. They won’t give her a standing ovation because she would have insulted them by sending an envoy person in her place.
If she times deplomacy wrong they will look at her as another Bush. Tuff talk follows an old saying. ‘Hard head soft bottom’ That is why Obama has the strenght and leadership oratory to convince foriegn leaders. Not bully them by waving carrots which is how Hillary thinks diplomacy 101 consist of.
Posted by: PollCat | February 22, 2008, 12:26 am 12:26 am
To the individual that went off on Bill Clinton…..
you have a point when it comes to infidelities and lying about them to the American public
you do not have a point that he in some way disgraced the White House. He ranks in the top 10 of all time most successful and admired Presidents. We had a surplus, more new jobs were created than ever before and since, the economy was booming (yes, in part due to the techs), families were saving money…. life was much better then than now.
so, with your argument, Bush must be your hero because Bush has reversed everything good that happened while Bill was in office.
if you are looking for a politician with clean hands….. you may as well give up. Obama is no saint… McCain is no saint…..
perhaps you should be more concerned about which candidate has done something that has/will help this nation.
Posted by: Missy | February 22, 2008, 12:28 am 12:28 am
I really like the comments on this forum. Like almost everyone in here, I support Hillary Clinton for President of the United States of America. She’s has so much experience. She is clever, and she is smart. And I just can’t get over her experience. Golly! Senator Obama simply looks inferior next to her. It’s really sad. I had so much hope for him. Did you all notice the standing ovation she got at the end? That’s because this country loves her. Obama needs to go back to Washington and represent Illinois in the Senate. He’s clearly not ready for the presidency. If Obama were to lead, America would become and even darker place than it is under President Bush.
Posted by: Elizabeth Neiman | February 22, 2008, 12:30 am 12:30 am
She won it hands down. She won’t get many probably to admit it – but it’s there, recorded for history. And if others don’t see it – well McCain will benefit. With all the media coverage of this election there is simply no way that history will not reflect what a brave, intelligent and patriotic woman she is. How she faced her harshest critics and ran this long race against the greatest of odds. She can hold her head high – she is a legend – a woman of substance in the highest degree.
Posted by: american2 | February 22, 2008, 12:34 am 12:34 am
Let’s call Hillary’s applause for what it really is… thanks, but no thanks Hillary we really aprecieate your past accomplishments BUT we are voting for Obama.
clap clap clap!
Posted by: PollCat | February 22, 2008, 12:41 am 12:41 am
I am a Latino, and I live in Plano, Texas. Hillary Clinton won. She has more experience. She will be ready on day one. She loves America, and America loves her. She embodies America. America embodies her. She needs America. America needs her. She loves America so much. I love America, too. It has given me many thing. I don’t understand how America could do without an American hero like Hillary. She loves this country like it is her child. My eyes are starting to water. I’m sorry. And I don’t like what’s happening with this Obama character. I don’t mean to sound angry, but he seems like the leader of a cult. His acolytes say meaningless jargon. There is no substance. They speak in generalities. It’s like cheap propaganda. Hillary’s supporter do this sometimes but when they do it, it’s an exceptions. I should finish now. Just remember. Hillary has experience. She has solutions. And she will be ready on day one.
Posted by: Stephen Barrera | February 22, 2008, 12:47 am 12:47 am
Hillary’s performance at today’s debate can be summed up thus: ‘A Trek on a beaten track’.
There was nothing new in her arguments. She certainly didn’t fire me up. When she came up with this wisecrack:
“Change we can xerox”, she was greeted, not with cheers but with boos!
Resorting to this kind of “silly season in politics” was what caused her 10 primaries in a streak.
Whenever she beats her chest that she is the best and experienced person to be the commander-in-chief, it sounded so hollow. Obama aptly debunked that claim by raising a big question mark on her ability to take the right decision when it mattered.
All in all, another dismal day for Hillary Clinton.
Posted by: John Santiago | February 22, 2008, 12:50 am 12:50 am
Obama lost. Get over it Hilary-haters. I know you hate her because she’s an independent woman, but this is the twenty-first century. She won tonight, and she’ll win the election in November. I think Obama needs to grow up. He’s been around just a few years, but he thinks he’s so entitled to the presidency. It’s disgusting. I don’t know why he’s acting this way. I’m not worried, though. Americans aren’t blind. They know his true character. Good luck Hillary!
Posted by: Americans for America | February 22, 2008, 12:51 am 12:51 am
Barack Obama lost. Need I say more? Well, I will. Senator Barack Obama lost. That’s it. He’s finished. Hillary was much more articulate. She was incredibly witty. I couldn’t stop cheering. She has so much experience. She will be ready on day one. Barack Obama will never be as good as Hillary.
Posted by: For America, Not Hussein | February 22, 2008, 12:56 am 12:56 am
Well I disagree with some about the standing ovation. I think the standing ovation was for both candidates not just one. But that closing statement was probably the best of her life. I think she laid it all out on the line tonight. And I’m satisfied with that. What is interesting though was the “xerox” moment, I could tell she was uncomfortable with attacking Obama, she’s feeling the pressure!
Posted by: Ryan | February 22, 2008, 1:07 am 1:07 am
This Obama thing is a cult. You libs are crazy..Obama will destroy America.
Posted by: Ron | February 22, 2008, 1:24 am 1:24 am
Some of the comments about Obama are plain racist and lack any merit. But lucky for us there’s a lot of wise Americans around as well. As for the racists – get a life!
Hillary is a good debator but she was NOT able to use the debate to shake people up and get them to switch to her.
It is a very poor argument to suggest that when someone is a great speaker, like Obama, they are not a great do-er.
His policies are as detailed and thought out as hers.
The difference is in governing styles. I dont trust her partisan “I am right-you are wrong” style.
Think about it.
Posted by: Anya | February 22, 2008, 2:44 am 2:44 am
I doubt she gains any point for her new slogan, “change that can be xeroxed.”
Say I was fanatic about change (which I was not a cult member). When I heard the xerox analogy, am I going to
a) say, OMG, I never thought Obama was a fake;
b) get all upset that, “How dare her charge my hero with such trivil nusance”.
c) have no feelings whatsoever?
I think the answer is b).
That means Hillary lost. Done and done. Give her a fork. She is so done.
Posted by: Jen | February 22, 2008, 2:45 am 2:45 am
I think Hillary Clinton has done an excellent job. She is experienced, qualified, and highly intelligent. I hope the American people will stand with Hillary. She stands for America. You won’t hear any vague sloganeering from her supporters. Hillary Clinton loves America and the American people, and she will be ready on day one. Those who say otherwise are suspect. The American people need a leader now. Furthermore, Senator Obama should not forget that Hillary Clinton helped him get into office. Now he thinks he can spit in her face like this. Talk about a lack of gratitude!
Posted by: Lisa Danielson | February 22, 2008, 3:10 am 3:10 am
Change to what?!?!..move the nation further left? More government hand outs and punish the people who produce the wealth. Wrong answer. The truth will come out about Obama, the One as Oprah calls him.
I hope Hillary wins. She deserves it over a rock star of guy. She won the debate. He was so all over the place with his promises.
Wanting to win–not the answer. You radicals are leaving Hillary because she’s not far left enough for you. Did you see those students they talked to..who in the world would be undecided?? Pinheads..
DNC- offers boys n gurls, 2 socialist candidates..Door 1- Obama further left. Truth will come out on him. He win not win the WH. When will you leftists understand get a good candidate and you will do better.
This division proves the Clintons were wrong for America when half of the DNC base supports Obama. You guys didn’t get it right then and you are repeating the same old.
Posted by: Ron | February 22, 2008, 3:12 am 3:12 am
Texas for Hillary!
I believe she voted for the war because Americans at the time were deeply shocked by the aftermath of 9/11. I think Bush really pushed his agenda of terror and weapons of mass destruction. All of us expected this war to be over a long time ago. The war has been badly mismanaged and I think Hillary sees that. But as the senator of New York I don’t think she could have voted differently because of how affected New York and the country was by what happened to the twin towers.
Posted by: Melody | February 22, 2008, 3:26 am 3:26 am
Let see what if Hillary wins – the day after .
1. Tea with the Senate Democrats
2. Tea with the House Democrats
3. Tea with the caucus
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Tea with
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Tea until 2012.
Can someone start a Tea party?
Posted by: dave | February 22, 2008, 3:56 am 3:56 am
The pivot of Hillary’s powerful concluding remarks came from Bill Clinton’s 92 campaign. Clinton had various permutations to it back then. But TPM Reader CG found one example in this November 1992 article by Anna Quindlen …
Bill Clinton, 92: “The hits that I took in this election are nothing compared to the hits the people of this state and this country have been taking for a long time.”
Hillary Clinton, tonight: “You know, the hits I’ve taken in life are nothing compared to what goes on every single day in the lives of people across our country.”
- Josh Marshall
Did Hillary credit Bill?
Hell, no!
You’d think that someone who just accused her opponent of plagiarism would know better. But then again, this is the woman who helped send young Americans to Iraq to die, THEN has the audacity to wail about wounded soldiers at the end of the debate.
Hillary Clinton is repulsive.
Posted by: hilary xeroxes her husband | February 22, 2008, 4:47 am 4:47 am
How can you steal something that you already owed?
If anyone has plagiarized it is Obama! He has had empty rhetoric all this time and now has speeches that are spelling out “his plan”. I am sorry, but I read that on Hillary’s website before Obama, was even thought a glimpse for the Presidency. I guess that just is like Obama, “borrowed a line from a friend”. I really don’t have any of original thoughts or ideas of my own, so I’ll just take yours (excuse me, borrow. Wrong again, forgot, “it was given”). If he can’t even come up with his own ideas, how exactly is he going to be the President? Is he going to borrow someone else to run the country?
Posted by: Frank Storm | February 22, 2008, 7:30 am 7:30 am
hilary xeroxes her husband,
She sent people over there, at the WILL OF PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY, YELLING & SCREAM FOR JUSTICE, but everyone conveniently forgets their part in the whole war thing. Don’t they?????
As for all those very few others of this country, which truly did oppose going to war, were being slammed as unpatriotic.
So now, based on that mentality, where does Obama, stand?
Posted by: Frank Storm | February 22, 2008, 7:39 am 7:39 am
For all of those Obama haters, here the answer to your problems: Have your beloved Clinton run for the Dem.Party against the Republican McCain , and against Sen.Obama as an independent! Let’s see who will win! Some people refuse to realize that this is bigger than both the D. & R. parties, this is about millions of Americans tired of bandits and desperate politicians who will do anything to achieve power & status! So, there, then we’ll have the first Independent president of the USA, that would also be another record under his belt!
Posted by: carmen | February 22, 2008, 8:05 am 8:05 am
This is not the end yet but if it was it would be a sad day for the women in the USA and in world. The media and many of the people have been so filled with hate it is all about her being a women it proves you can still do what ever you want to a woman and nobody will stand up for you.
Posted by: Bishop | February 22, 2008, 8:25 am 8:25 am
What can I say? Senator Hillary Clinton – you were excellent and specifics in your answers. You love america and you fight for every american people… That is the kind of leader/president we want in the White House… Go Senator Hillary Clinton…
Posted by: ronald | February 22, 2008, 8:31 am 8:31 am
Barack and Hillary as “The Power Combo”. The synergy between the two of them is amazing. They would be such a powerful team in the White House, him as president and her as vice president. I really hope they do that, for our country.
Posted by: Marie Zarankevich | February 22, 2008, 8:37 am 8:37 am
“Change you can xerox” hate her of love her that was a great line, and her closing was ever better. Some of you may not want it but the only way the Democrats are going to win this election is to have those two people on their ticket. By doing this it will be a walk in the park and a massive victory.
Drop one and you will anger the side that will feel as if their candidate was neglected and to show their disgust they will either vote republican or stay home.
I am not a supporter of Obama but after last night if the Democrats want this election it’s the only way to go. Forget who is leading or not the fact is they are both getting votes, each candidate is pulling a huge amount of support and that is what will be needed to win the GE.
Obama needs Hillary just as much as Hillary needs Obama to win, if the Democrats cant see this then in the end they will pay the price once again of another term of having a Republican President in the house.
Posted by: SJ | February 22, 2008, 8:55 am 8:55 am
Hillary for President
Obama for Vice President
Posted by: Hillary_Heals_Hate | February 22, 2008, 9:09 am 9:09 am
America the Beautiful – 1913
O beautiful for spacious skies,
For amber waves of grain,
For purple mountain majesties
Above the fruited plain!
America! America!
God shed his grace on thee
And crown thy good with brotherhood
From sea to shining sea!
O beautiful for pilgrim feet
Whose stern, impassioned stress
A thoroughfare for freedom beat
Across the wilderness!
America! America!
God mend thine every flaw,
Confirm thy soul in self-control,
Thy liberty in law!
O beautiful for heroes proved In liberating strife.
Who more than self the country loved
And mercy more than life!
America! America!
May God thy gold refine
Till all success be nobleness
And every gain divine!
O beautiful for patriot dream
That sees beyond the years
Thine alabaster cities gleam
Undimmed by human tears!
America! America!
God shed his grace on thee
And crown thy good with brotherhood
From sea to shining sea!
O beautiful for halcyon skies,
For amber waves of grain,
For purple mountain majesties
Above the enameled plain!
America! America!
God shed his grace on thee
Till souls wax fair as earth and air
And music-hearted sea!
O beautiful for pilgrims feet,
Whose stern impassioned stress
A thoroughfare for freedom beat
Across the wilderness!
America ! America !
God shed his grace on thee
Till paths be wrought through
wilds of thought
By pilgrim foot and knee!
O beautiful for glory-tale
Of liberating strife
When once and twice,
for man’s avail
Men lavished precious life !
America! America!
God shed his grace on thee
Till selfish gain no longer stain
The banner of the free!
O beautiful for patriot dream
That sees beyond the years
Thine alabaster cities gleam
Undimmed by human tears!
America! America!
God shed his grace on thee
Till nobler men keep once again
Thy whiter jubilee!
Posted by: Hillary_Heals_Hate | February 22, 2008, 9:13 am 9:13 am
Yup! It’s Silly Season.
Posted by: PollCat | February 22, 2008, 9:14 am 9:14 am
PenMark: For your information Solis was the one who spent a lot of money on the Iowa campaign. What were you reading, that’s why she stepped down. Besides that her husband is connected to the Daley’s and Hillary should not have had her has a campaign manager. That’s where the mistakes were made. The other manger that stepped down after that told her not to go to Iowa but she listened to Solis. Solis ruined her campaign. Was it done on purpose? And Patrick is not a co-chairman of Obama’s campaign, Obama stated that because he got caught in a web for using Patrick’s speeches. Obama is a liar, sneaky and underhanded and this generation of fools are believing his words of change. Are they that dumb? Change means not changing politics but changing a white president to a black president. What changes can he make in the white house. He doesn’t have the ability to think. Get a grip on life and wake up to reality.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | February 22, 2008, 10:09 am 10:09 am
If Obama wins the nomination, this democrat will vote for mcain.
Posted by: Dave | February 22, 2008, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm
To me, the debate was won on the last question of the night. Because Barack has no more lines to plagiarized, he went back to telling the same old story on how his father left his mother when he was two years old and then raised by a single mother and grand parents.
Now, compare and contrast Hillary’s response to that last question, and you will conclude that Hillary is clearly the person with more substance and ready to lead the country. She did not talk about herself, instead she focused on the American people.
In 2000, we made a mistake with George Bush and we are paying for it. In 2008, it looks like we are going to make another mistake.
Posted by: SO1 | February 22, 2008, 1:05 pm 1:05 pm
I agree with Ryan I also think the standing ovation was because it was the conclusion of the debate not for Hillary’s statement. Obama is my choice for president. I could tell Hillary wanted to really rip his eyes out but held back, I feel if you have a firm position then you can make it known without being nasty, or being afraid of not being liked. A real leader with a real/workable message stands firm and all others be damned.
Posted by: ellen | February 22, 2008, 1:29 pm 1:29 pm
Last night debate was interestin, clinton coping speeches for jimmy carter
I see asmerica remember 1976
John Edwards what ever happents tonight We will all going to be fine the quotion is will america.
solutions I did not see any.
I can not trust the clintons I hope every one sees this
Posted by: tim | February 22, 2008, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm
You are right on target SO1.
Posted by: Becky | February 22, 2008, 3:03 pm 3:03 pm
Clinton clearly won this debate. Her ending comments were touching. I believe I will support her. I was convinced by her extensive, detailed responses on matters regarding the economy, health care and her past experience in public works. Very impressive.
Posted by: Judy | February 22, 2008, 3:18 pm 3:18 pm
I cannot understand how one “closing statement” can solidify the entire debate for Hillary. I am not opposed to her as much as I am surprised at how fragile the loyalties of the Ameican pubic is. Almost leaves me speechless.
Posted by: ellen | February 22, 2008, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm
Yeah. Clinton definitely won the debate. She’s pretty intelligent. She seemed like she knew the right answer to everything. What was the big deal with the xerox comment? It wasn’t anywhere near as bad as some of the stuff people say about her on the news and these blogs. It was kinda funny. I thought it was funny when she laughed about Obama saying his followers were dellusional. You can tell there is a mutual respect and like between them, too bad they’re competing for the same job.
Posted by: Danny | February 22, 2008, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm
i am a j.m. fan. He stuttered his way through the beginning, but found his way at the end.
Posted by: melissa | September 26, 2008, 10:35 pm 10:35 pm
i am a j.m. fan. He stuttered his way through the beginning, but found his way at the end.
Posted by: melissa | September 26, 2008, 10:35 pm 10:35 pm
Mc. Fans. how do you think he did?
Posted by: melissa | September 26, 2008, 10:36 pm 10:36 pm