Feb 19, 2008 9:51pm

McCain Rips ‘Eloquent But Empty’ Obama

ABC News’ Ron Claiborne and Teddy Davis Report: Arizona Sen. John McCain unveiled a new line of attack against Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., following his Tuesday win in Wisconsin’s Republican primary.

"I will work hard to make sure Americans aren’t deceived by an eloquent but empty call for change," said McCain.

The presumed Republican nominee also knocked his likely Democratic opponent by taking a shot at the "confused leadership of an inexperienced candidate."

The Obama camp — fresh off a big win of their own in Wisconsin — quickly responded.

"John McCain’s remarks tonight shows why he’s offering nothing more than a third term of George Bush’s policies -– more fear-mongering, more than a century of war in Iraq, and more budget-busting tax cuts for the wealthiest few at the expense of hardworking Americans," said Obama campaign spokesperson Bill Burton.

A week ago, after winning the Virginia, Maryland and Washington, D.C. primaries, McCain suggested without ever using Obama’s name that the Illinois Democrat’s theme of hope was nothing more than "a platitude."

But Tuesday was the first time that he painted his rival as "eloquent but empty."

Obama spokesman Bill Burton responded to McCain’s barb by accusing the Arizona senator of offering "nothing more than a third term of George Bush’s policies: more fear-mongering, more than a century of war in Iraq, and more budget-busting tax cuts for the wealthiest few at the expense of hardworking Americans." 

McCain also used his victory speech to take what some might interpret as a subtle dig at Obama’s wife.

"I have never lived a day, in good times or bad, that I haven’t been proud of the privilege" of being an American, said McCain. "Don’t tell me what we can’t do.  Don’t tell me we can’t make our country stronger and the world safer.  We can.  We must.  And when I’m President we will."

Speaking Monday in Milwaukee, Wisc., Michelle Obama said, "For the first time in my adult lifetime, I’m really proud of my country . . . not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change."

Asked about McCain’s new "eloquent but empty" line of attack, McCain spokeswoman Jill Hazelbaker called it, "A preview of things to come."

For the latest from the campaign trail — all the barbs, battles and breaking news — read The Note every morning only on abcnews.com/politics

User Comments

guevera – yeah – they are.

Posted by: Jeffrey Feldman | February 19, 2008, 10:00 pm 10:00 pm

Right, senator. Let’s stick to “straight talk” like how U.S. forces will be in Iraq for 100 years.

Posted by: Paul | February 19, 2008, 10:02 pm 10:02 pm

I enjoy when Obambi fans are asked to name one of his achievements. In addition to deer in headlight stares, “he gave a nice speech.”

Posted by: Captain America | February 19, 2008, 10:04 pm 10:04 pm

Captain America – name one of McCain’s?

Posted by: Paul | February 19, 2008, 10:05 pm 10:05 pm

My Vote is for Hillary ! Never Obama, McCain if I must.

Posted by: georgie | February 19, 2008, 10:06 pm 10:06 pm

If you don’t support Obama you are uneducated? typical leftist arrogance.
Here’s some usefule decriptions of Obama: “form without substance”, “an empty suit,” and my particular favorite, “Dan Quayle Lite.”

Posted by: Tom Faranda | February 19, 2008, 10:06 pm 10:06 pm

I suspect the country hasn’t had a presidential candidate who really achieved anything noteworthy before running for office since Eisenhower.

Posted by: Paul | February 19, 2008, 10:10 pm 10:10 pm

It s unbelievable to me how people are following Obama’s speeches. Sure everyone wants what he promises. But is he selling snake oil? Use your brains!! This guy is an eloquent speaker and is pandering to your desires. But, come back down to reality folks. The emperor doesn’t have new clothes. This is a dangerous world that we live in. it takes someone with experience and good judgement to protect us and to prosper. Ombama is barely qulaified to be a senator. He was a community activist before this! Wake up and stop being mesmerized by this guy. Do any of you know what he will do when the time comes to show leadership, strength, courage, etc. NO, he has no historical record!! McCain is the logical choice for level headed Americans.

Posted by: Joe | February 19, 2008, 10:12 pm 10:12 pm

Yeah, but Joe, I noticed no one yet has answered what significant accomplishments McCain has achieved. Deer in the headlights?

Posted by: Paul | February 19, 2008, 10:15 pm 10:15 pm

Senator McNasty, McAmnesty, McTooOld has his own problems to deal with. Like reaching out to the Conservative base he has dissed for the last 20 years.

Posted by: Darrel | February 19, 2008, 10:15 pm 10:15 pm

McCain is obnoxious, and his groveling, holier-than-thou attitude is getting mighty OLD.
His “Forked-Tongue Express” is about to hit a brick wall.
Game on, McCain. En garde!

Posted by: Mark | February 19, 2008, 10:16 pm 10:16 pm

100 More Years in Iraq? Continuing Bush’s failed economic policies?
Now that’s snake oil, and we ain’t buying it!!!
Obama 08 YES, WE CAN!!!

Posted by: Jackt51 | February 19, 2008, 10:16 pm 10:16 pm

And think of it this way. Obama only has a few years in Washington of accomplishing nothing. Its really embarrassing to be in Washington as long as McCain has been there, and still have accomplished nothing.

Posted by: Paul | February 19, 2008, 10:19 pm 10:19 pm

Amen, Paul!

Posted by: lrn | February 19, 2008, 10:21 pm 10:21 pm

Want a McCain accomplishment that Obama cannot seem to match…
When he goes to work to vote on a bill – he actually VOTES instead of saying ‘present’. Now can I have an apple?

Posted by: Robert, New York City, NY | February 19, 2008, 10:21 pm 10:21 pm

Amen, Paul,
And for that matter, what has Hillary accomplished? What is this wonderful “experience” of hers we keep hearing mentioned by her and her supporters?
No one seems capable of answering that….

Posted by: Mark | February 19, 2008, 10:22 pm 10:22 pm

Pretty weak, Robert. Maybe a fig newton for that one.

Posted by: Paul | February 19, 2008, 10:22 pm 10:22 pm

Like I said Mark. If we want a candidate who accomplished anything noteworthy before running for the presidency, we’d better start digging Eisenhower back up.

Posted by: Paul | February 19, 2008, 10:24 pm 10:24 pm

The only humans technically qualified to be president are those who have already served as president.
ANYONE — I repeat, ANYONE — who claims to be “prepared” is either a fool or a liar.

Posted by: Mark | February 19, 2008, 10:24 pm 10:24 pm

Voting ‘present’ does not mean he is walking out or protesting.
It means he is sitting there without an opinion.
If he does not like the bill he votes ‘no’, if he likes it he votes ‘yes’. Its pretty simple – even the other lefty dem’s understand the principle.
Now – if you dont want to take a stand on anything so you can continually run for office and not get pegged down as having any beliefs – you vote ‘present’ 67% of the time.
And think about it – if he is protesting 67% of the time – what is he actually doing? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!
Part of the problem of part of the solution. Think about it.

Posted by: Robert, New York City, NY | February 19, 2008, 10:25 pm 10:25 pm

Right, senator. Let’s stick to “straight talk” like how U.S. forces will be in Iraq for 100 years.
- Paul
Mc Cain is saying that it might be most prudent to keep American Military not as a fighting force, but in a small scale security mode for a long time. The U.S. Forces were in Germany for 60 years. And are still in Korea.

Posted by: Leon | February 19, 2008, 10:27 pm 10:27 pm

Skyhawk – Obama and McCain have identical positions on targeting bin Laden in Pakistan.
The kindergarten thing was pretty benign, and in fact my son’s parochial school already has a program similar to the one proposed.

Posted by: Paul | February 19, 2008, 10:29 pm 10:29 pm

Obama is an empty suit that speaks. Maybe he never speaks of his ‘ideas’ on the campaign trail as he does not understand them. Is he a puppet?
I have multiple advanced degrees in economics and business and his economic plan is a complete disaster waiting to happen.
He says he can fund the huge spending increases by ending the war in Iraq – like it or not $150 billion a year is not a lot compared to a $3.3 Trillion budget.
Obama is delusional, ill-equiped, inexperienced and if he wins – will be the biggest economic disaster since Carter.

Posted by: Robert, New York City, NY | February 19, 2008, 10:30 pm 10:30 pm

Perhaps, Leon, but WE did not START the wars in Korea, Japan or Germany, and their citizenry for the most part does not wish to see our soldiers slaughtered — noth unlike Iraq.
The “surge” may have helped McCain among hardcore GOPers, but its going to crush him with Indies and Dems.

Posted by: Mark | February 19, 2008, 10:31 pm 10:31 pm

Walking out or a present vote does not count. This behavior and inexperience doesn’t bode well for making presidential international decisions. Indecisiveness and doing whatever it takes per the poll-tests for popularity…that’s obama. He’s slick enough not to get caught with an opinion, just rhetoric we all can agree with…If Hillary does not win it for the democrats, will have to vote republican.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/20/us/politics/20obama.html?pagewanted=2&ei=5088&en=8385d348acbab84e&ex=1355806800&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

Posted by: Del | February 19, 2008, 10:32 pm 10:32 pm

Robert – even worse than the guy who ran the budget up to $3.3 trillion?

Posted by: Paul | February 19, 2008, 10:32 pm 10:32 pm

I’m curious too, Robert/NYC.
Surely you’re not suggesting we continue with the same house-of-cards, economic sleight-if-hand charade we’ve seen under Bush and the GOP, are you?

Posted by: Mark | February 19, 2008, 10:36 pm 10:36 pm

Hey Paul,
Remember all the bad terrible things that were going to happen when Reagan ran the debt to unheard of levels?
What did we get? Hmmmmm…..
Collapse of the Soviet Union, perfection of the internet switches and technology, GPS systems, video games, advanced avionics, advanced power systems, etc… etc… etc…
Line on spending needs to be held – no doubt.
Whats Obama’s position on that – tax the hell out of everyone and spend like a drunken sailor.
He is going to be the country’s worst disaster if he gets in – he is further to the left than any other candidate out there.

Posted by: Robert, New York City, NY | February 19, 2008, 10:39 pm 10:39 pm

Haven’t you people noticed who, internationally, has been called the ‘populist’ candidate.
Chavez was.
A ‘populist’ is the guy who promises everything to everyone without a single clue how much damage it will do.
Great speach Obama – we got it on tape. Now please, go harmlessly back to not voting on anything, not saying anything of substance and not taking a stand on anything in your semi-harmless little fantasy world called the U.S. Senate where others can watch over you till YOU GROW UP!
Please!

Posted by: Robert, New York City, NY | February 19, 2008, 10:42 pm 10:42 pm

There are many Obama voters who support him because of his speeches, charisma and likability, not his past achievements…delicious irony because so many Bush sheep voted for him because he was the guy they’d rather have a beer with. Now the shoes on the other foot.

Posted by: sonny | February 19, 2008, 10:42 pm 10:42 pm

@ Robert,
Well aren’t you full of misinformation….if you have an agenda you should at least use factual information to back it up.
In response to your voting present comment: Obama voted present for 130 out 4000 votes. Anyone with a middle school education knows that’s 3.25% not 67%.

Posted by: Ed | February 19, 2008, 10:42 pm 10:42 pm

Obama talks about change, but refuses to explain what he means! He’s a liberal and a socialist so change would mean higher taxes, fewer jobs, bigger government and more social programs we can’t afford.
As for Iraq he will wave the white flag on the war on terror. All the hard work and blood spilled by our troops will be for nothing and Iraq will be plunged into further chaos. Al Qaeda and the Taliban will see the US is weak and Afghanistan will go the same way. After that we’ll see a surge in terrorism through out the Middle East and more attacks on the West.
This is what Obama means by change and why he refuses to be specific. Of course we can count on the left wing media not to press Obama on this while they hit McCain with tough policy questions and try to dig up any dirt they can find.

Posted by: Roy T | February 19, 2008, 10:43 pm 10:43 pm

guevera – i’m highly educated and sorry, obama doesnt get my vote. the dems are done. lol. what a loser party. the educated people voted for kerry and gore too and look what this got us. you guys are lemmings being pulled into disaster ever four years. ridiculous.

Posted by: tony | February 19, 2008, 10:44 pm 10:44 pm

WE NEED SOCIALISM?
Are you insane?
France has 19% unemployment and they are the most efficient socialist country on the planet.
We have 5% unemployment. I guess we need to fire 14% of the workforce to get the country back on track.
Fool.

Posted by: Robert, New York City, NY | February 19, 2008, 10:44 pm 10:44 pm

McCain accomplishment?….well, for starters, he made it through AOCS in Pensacola, flew jets off a carrier, and got shot down….not for the faint of heart. I’d say he’s tested. I guess he could have just stayed home and went to law school instead.

Posted by: Jeff | February 19, 2008, 10:45 pm 10:45 pm

As a life-long Democrat, MBA graduate, and person of color, I’ll hold my breath for 4 more years of a GOP with a President McCain than sell out the Democrat party for generations with a vote for Obama – despite all his eloquent rhetoric, he’s a disaster in the making.

Posted by: MBA | February 19, 2008, 10:45 pm 10:45 pm

Mark, McCain isn’t “suggesting we continue with the same house-of-cards, economic sleight-if-hand charade we’ve seen under Bush and the GOP”. He’s actually aiming to rein in spending – like all of us have to do in our daily lives. He’s even attacking earmarks. You remember earmarks, right? The same ones that Democrats promised to rein in, only to expand them to record levels? Do you think a President Obama will be against the Woodstock Museum being funded with federal tax dollars?

Posted by: Carl | February 19, 2008, 10:54 pm 10:54 pm

Here’s a fact:
When Bush took office the national debt was $5.6 Trillion. After eight years of his rein, four of which the GOP controlled both houses, the national debt is $9.2 trillion. How’s that fit into your ideological box?

Posted by: Ed | February 19, 2008, 10:54 pm 10:54 pm

Hey Mike,
Good point. The ‘savior’ that shows up and promises to cure all ills, has the magic tonic, the hope for everything to be better.
“Just one sip of this and all your ills will be cured!” – Quote from the snakeoil salesman that hustles out of town after fleecing everyone for their hard earned money.
Or maybe its the guy who takes your hard earned money at gun point through higher taxes and unfortunately STAYS IN TOWN so he can sell you ANOTHER bottle of poison!

Posted by: Robert, New York City, NY | February 19, 2008, 10:54 pm 10:54 pm

Robert – maybe the Dems are so anti-establishment, they subconsciously do not want national office? not sure. clinton was the first dem since the 1940s to win two terms. this wont happen for some time….it’s pathetic. part of it is the southern realignment with the republicans, but the other part is the inept nature of the dem party. they are suicidal. i have watched this election with great frustration. when the war was a hot issue, they killed dean, who was a feisty anti-war person. now that it’s the economy, the kill two candidates with real economic agendas and go for all talk and no action. This is ridiculous. McCain is already blasting him on lack of experience. He wont be able to scream racism all the way to November. People will get tired of this.

Posted by: tony | February 19, 2008, 10:57 pm 10:57 pm

ed – dont be gullible. obama gets funding from lawyers and rich people. and he will get funding from labor unions. he’s a fraud. he wont even live up to his promise to forego private financing. he’s a liar. more of the same.

Posted by: tony | February 19, 2008, 11:01 pm 11:01 pm

Robert,
You’re making me realize the statement that 80% of republicans are uninformed democrats might actually be true.

Posted by: Ed | February 19, 2008, 11:02 pm 11:02 pm

I’d rather agree with a President McCain 75% of the time than a President Obama 0% of the time.

Posted by: Jeff | February 19, 2008, 11:04 pm 11:04 pm

Basic facts…
Experience – edge McCain
Most centrist Candidate – edge McCain
Speeches about issues – edge McCain
Looks good in a suit – edge Barrack

Posted by: Robert, New York City, NY | February 19, 2008, 11:07 pm 11:07 pm

Tony,
Me gullible? Give me one legitimate reason why the 71% of the population who thinks the country is headed in the wrong direction should even consider voting for the GOP nominee after the GOP controlled the congress for 4 of the 8 years they also controlled the White House. I’m the gullible one…maybe your ideology is flawed?

Posted by: Ed | February 19, 2008, 11:07 pm 11:07 pm

Obama? Change? Hope?
Sure. With all the support from the unions and established far left liberals like the Swimmer (Kennedy), Obama, if elected, will come to power owing every special interest group in America. And all of those people will expect “payback,” resulting in a “puppet” presidency of unimagineable proportions. Obama, based on his Senate voting recors, is already the most liberal member of the Senate, and he is goping to lead us out of our abyss with higher taxes, larger government, more pork, more government regulation??? Heck, Obama will make Carter look good!
He is pandering to the same people the democrats always pander to, and those are the people that the Democrats WANT to keep there so they can pander to them in the next election.
False hope is the cruelest hope of all!

Posted by: DanTheMan | February 19, 2008, 11:08 pm 11:08 pm

Carl, with all due respect, to think that McCain, who’s selling out his soul to the far right, is going to change ANY of Bush’s grotesquely unfair corporate-welfare schemes and uber-rich tax giveaways is naive.
McCain is now a one-trick pony, always blathering about earmarks. Is it important to get them under control? Sure. But whose party raised feasting on taxpayer pork to a disgusting artform? The same GOP to whom McCain is selling his soul and our future this very night.
Thanks, but not for me. George W. McCain will never get my vote.
And as for his resume, it may be long, but other than his heroic service in Vietnam, it’s also rather inconsequential. Lots of time in, but with very little to show for it.

Posted by: Mark | February 19, 2008, 11:08 pm 11:08 pm

You’re in the voting booth, you’re just an average man or woman. You’re thinking: Who do I want to be in charge of the federal budget? Who do I want to ensure my trust to on issues of my taxes and spending the people’s money? Who do I want to lead the military to protect me and my family?
Is it: The POW who was tortured for 5 years in defense of his country? The guy who has been fighting for lower taxes for all? The guy who has fought pork barrel spending in every nook and cranny and fought for a constitutional line item veto?
Or the guy who gives nice speeches?
I’ll leave it up to you.

Posted by: Phil | February 19, 2008, 11:09 pm 11:09 pm

I do not believe that at the end of the day there will be enough people who will buy into this nonsense that Obama is selling.
He is no different than a Jimmy Carter, and there are some of us who still clearly remember the mess he put us in.
John McCain is so clearly the best person in the race for our country. People should not forget that we are still in a major battle with extremists around the world.
It is clearly not time to put into office some inexperienced person who has the wrong positions on most issues to begin with. The far left liberal positions would be one change that we can not afford.

Posted by: Cliff | February 19, 2008, 11:11 pm 11:11 pm

Obama accomplishments: Fixing a broken death penalty system in Illinois. That’s big. Helping push through the most significant ethics reform in the past 30 years, that’s big. Going up against the Clinton machine, and winning (something Bush I and Dole couldn’t do), that’s priceless.
Now let’s see, McCain and the Keating 5. Check it out. The story was made an issue by the current Bush the last time McCain ran. http://www.slate.com/id/1004633/

Posted by: Irishspacemonk | February 19, 2008, 11:14 pm 11:14 pm

Ok ok Obamaniacs, we admit it. Your candidate gives better speeches.
Our candidate would just be an infinitely better President (with admittedly worse speeches). I’ll survive.

Posted by: Phil | February 19, 2008, 11:14 pm 11:14 pm

Mark, “one-trick pony”? Selling out to the far-right? As a member of the “far right”, I can assure you that he’s done anything but sell out to me. I don’t think his support for restraining carbon emissions is a GOP staple, eliminating in one non-GOP policy the one-trick pony argument. You can’t stand on your ear and tell me that he’s selling out to the far-right at the same time blaming the far-right/GOP for the earmark problem. If the GOP is the cause of earmarks, and McCain is against the earmarks – where’s the sellout? Logic is important here Mark.
Also, if you think the GOP made earmarks an artform (and I agree), then you can’t deny that Nancy and Harry have created an artistic masterpiece.

Posted by: Carl | February 19, 2008, 11:15 pm 11:15 pm

Obama’s message of “change” is the same old worn out rhetoric that amounts to nothing less than socialism.

Posted by: HT Springer | February 19, 2008, 11:16 pm 11:16 pm

Carl,
Why couldn’t the GOP get the earmark problem resolved for the four years they controlled the congress and the white house? Why should voters believe the GOP nominee, McCain, will do any better?

Posted by: Ed | February 19, 2008, 11:19 pm 11:19 pm

When all is said and done – the only hope that Obama has to win is the extremely low level of this country’s voter IQ.
This is not a popularity contest – its choosing who would run this country the best.
Problem here is there are a lot of fools that will vote because they were too uneducated on the issues and ramifications to cast their ballot intelligently.
Thats Obama’s HOPE – you know – the HOPE he keeps talking about.
He is simply not qualified. All he has done successfully thus far is run for office, after office, after office…
The sad thing is – should he win and inevitably destroy the economy – he will set back this country’s abiltity to vote for a minority candidate that just may be qualified to do the job by decades.

Posted by: Robert, New York City, NY | February 19, 2008, 11:20 pm 11:20 pm

Am I the only one already experiencing OBAMA FATIGUE??? And it is still 8 1/2 months until the general election!

Posted by: DanTheMan | February 19, 2008, 11:22 pm 11:22 pm

DanTheMan,
No, I am experiencing that as well and I don’t even watch TV. Obama’s has been way overexposed since last year and now we never hear the end of him nor his fellow Clams.
New disease.
Chronic Obama Fatigue Syndrome
COFS (pronounced “coughs).
Help!

Posted by: Skyhawk | February 19, 2008, 11:26 pm 11:26 pm

Ed, it’s so simple you should have the answer to your own question. The GOP didn’t fix the earmark problem because Bush never said he’d refuse to sign a bill with earmarks in it. McCain has said that.
You do know, Ed, that Bush isn’t running this time, right? You can keep going around thinking he is, and the cute Bush-McCain administration that the Dems are trying to create is fun and all, but when you toddle on into the voting booth, Bush’s name won’t be on the ballot.
Just trying to help out.

Posted by: Carl | February 19, 2008, 11:28 pm 11:28 pm

Obama-McGovern ’08?

Posted by: Skyhawk | February 19, 2008, 11:33 pm 11:33 pm

too bad Mark left this site after his last post…he was quite adept at clearly making his case about obama. i.e., even the obamites can say nothing of substance, and then they walk out when it is time to make a decision on a vote. As Clara of Wendy’s fame might say, where’s the beef?’

Posted by: Del | February 19, 2008, 11:33 pm 11:33 pm

Hmm. I never found that my little part of the country needed to be taken back from the rich and the powerful. Granted, that’s what would happen if Obama becomes president. Raising my taxes a couple grand will hurt me a lot, but the rich and powerful won’t be phased a bit. I guess then I’d have to take my part of the country back from Obama. Can’t we just skip the middle man?

Posted by: Carl | February 19, 2008, 11:34 pm 11:34 pm

Mr. Obama is a real empty speech man. Those who listen and vote are also empty headed. Americans have been taught to go for the pretty face ever since “W” was elected. That little party has slugged away for 8 years. so we’re for change??? What kind of change; Socialism, Communism, Real Democracy, Islam, or a little bit of it all…..just no part of the Constitution should be a part of it. Remember this is change…. we can be in the 80% tax bracket so we can all feed the poor, and you think the French don’t work ……well there are reasons. As Americans we are told by the “Left” we don’t [ay our fair share. Let’s see what this Mr. Change brings with him. Like most Democrats it can’t be much.

Posted by: john smith | February 19, 2008, 11:38 pm 11:38 pm

ed – my ideology is not flawed. i am a dem. what is not flawed are my political instincts. i have witnessed this party lose over and over and over again. i would rather have a dem – but obama is not the one. even if we had to go with him, the way to do it was not to marginalize older voters by running on the “fresh face” and “change” campaign so that everyone older than you is bad news. this will work for kiddies, but not for republicans. republicans have the good sense to get over the past. they are over bush and will rally behind mccain. obama will not be able to unite the democratic base. he is still losing among women, latino, older, and poor people. a lot of these folk will go to mccain. face the music. he’s toast against mccain. mccain has even taken a great approach — attack him now, while clinton is, and his team of loud surrogates will not be able to accuse of racism later. he’s done.

Posted by: tony | February 19, 2008, 11:43 pm 11:43 pm

wow, isn’t there something actually going on in the world to be reported on? seriously, that was the biggest stretch i ever heard about “a stab at Obama’s wife” report the NEWS

Posted by: Dan | February 19, 2008, 11:44 pm 11:44 pm

I can’t recall – does Obama want socialised health care? I hope we don’t get what they have in the UK:
Seriously ill patients are being kept in ambulances outside hospitals for hours so NHS trusts do not miss Government targets.
Thousands of people a year are having to wait outside accident and emergency departments because trusts will not let them in until they can treat them within four hours, in line with a Labour pledge.
The hold-ups mean ambulances are not available to answer fresh 999 calls.

Posted by: Carl | February 19, 2008, 11:45 pm 11:45 pm

When we get to the general election the kids gloves are going to come off and Obama is going to get kicked.
Be realistic – this is politics and it is a dirty, despicable game. Obama’s ties to Rezko will be dragged out and shown the light of day. The records of his advisors will too.
There is too much at stake to risk not telling the public that this ‘would be’ emperor has no clothes!

Posted by: Robert, New York City, NY | February 19, 2008, 11:45 pm 11:45 pm

sorry but Ryan was the one who reformed the death penalty system in Illinois, which really wasnt utilized that much anyway. there are so many other things wrong with criminal justice in illinois. the death penalty is a safe issue to tackle in that state. it’s not a death penalty red state.

Posted by: tony | February 19, 2008, 11:46 pm 11:46 pm

“McCain is a hollow shell of a man just waiting to be filled.”
Yep, he’s just another empty suit. No convictions. Well aside from the whole tortured for 5 and a half years in defense of his own country thing. But other than that…eh.
Now let’s talk about HOPE and CHANGE! Vote Obama 2008! You better HOPE you have some CHANGE left after he’s done raising your taxes!

Posted by: Phil | February 19, 2008, 11:47 pm 11:47 pm

Mr. McCain….so you were taken a prisoner of war, sorry. What was life like before & after. Have you ever been black..had to wait at the end of the line if you were even allowed in line or set in the back of a bus. Yes, I to am proud to be an American…but not the past seven years. I don’t think you’ll change anything..sorry.

Posted by: Prayfull citizen | February 19, 2008, 11:49 pm 11:49 pm

Obama is for CHANGE and he can do it too:
- Grossly high taxes in every area
- With his anti-growth tax plans comes a horrific economic crisis
- Socialized medicine
- Welfare state
- Total collapse on war against terrorism
We simply can’t afford another Jimmy Carter. He who created the modern Iran, and the new Jimmy who wants to immediately meet with them.

Posted by: Cliff | February 19, 2008, 11:56 pm 11:56 pm

Mark:
I can’t wait for the Debates between
Obama and McCain begin!
McCain is Going to Clean Obama’s Clock!
Game On, Indeed!

Posted by: reaganfan | February 20, 2008, 12:00 am 12:00 am

It will be interesting to see Obama explain how if he wins the Presidency that his daughters will get affirmative action help to get into Harvard.

Posted by: Nicholas | February 20, 2008, 12:06 am 12:06 am

can some one answer one small question—Who the hell is barack obama and why should I vote for him

Posted by: USA | February 20, 2008, 12:08 am 12:08 am

Oh, don’t even waste a second pondering the hypothetical possibility that BO could be President even if elected.
President McCain has more important things to worry about.
I am glad that Michelle Obama is just now “proud” to be an American in a country that President McCain fought to preserve for her. How special! How touching! How real!
How not ready for prime time.
BO will have his day and one day he will be able to ride without training wheels. Until then, President McCain will take care of America for him and Michelle.

Posted by: jlm | February 20, 2008, 12:12 am 12:12 am

What’s the point in having a comments section if ABC is going to practice widespread censorship?

Posted by: Skyhawk | February 20, 2008, 12:14 am 12:14 am

The true Americans proud of this country will rise up and defeat the media created Obama figurine. Available in most toy stores.

Posted by: Dave | February 20, 2008, 12:14 am 12:14 am

I see that some comments are being taken down by ABC. That’s certainly within their right to do.
What it reminds me of, though, is that the left is constantly seeking to prevent people from saying, even thinking, what they believe by criminalizing the speech they disagree with.
Censorship is fine on ABC’s website, but the Dems want to censor our minds.

Posted by: Carl | February 20, 2008, 12:15 am 12:15 am

Chad – please define “social change”. How will it improve the country? Whom will it benefit, and whom will it harm? What are the economic costs to the nation of the policies you should be able to articulate?

Posted by: Carl | February 20, 2008, 12:17 am 12:17 am

Sorry Chad – didn’t know you wouldn’t last!

Posted by: Carl | February 20, 2008, 12:19 am 12:19 am

What the heck is ABC’s problem every time a place a post with John McCain’s accomplishes they get taken down.

Posted by: sam | February 20, 2008, 12:26 am 12:26 am

I’m loving how heavily McCain is borrowing from the Democratic rhetoric. The attacks about ‘eloquent but empty’ and ‘confused leadership’ are lifted wholesale from Hillary’s negative ads, and the stuff about ‘don’t tell me what we can’t do’ and ‘we CAN do this’ are Obama rhetoric, only lacking the charisma.

Posted by: dcarter | February 20, 2008, 12:26 am 12:26 am

“Obama’s communist connection adds to mounting public concern about a candidate who has come out of virtually nowhere, with a brief U.S. Senate legislative record, to become the Democratic Party frontrunner for the U.S. presidency.”

Posted by: Dave | February 20, 2008, 12:27 am 12:27 am

Robert said some very unpleasant things to the ABC folks. I’ll bet that post doesn’t stay up long!

Posted by: Carl | February 20, 2008, 12:33 am 12:33 am

To know all about John McCain, look up Charles Keating and Hensley Distributing.

Posted by: Sam | February 20, 2008, 12:34 am 12:34 am

Barrack Obama is pro-abortion. Once somebody can publicly sanction the killing of innocent children, they have already crossed the line and showed that they have no respect for anyone’s right to life.
Obama’s moral compass is severely impaired. Abortion is a major issue in this election, and Obama’s position in support of murder of the innocent is indefensible and completely anti-Christian.
The republicans will relentlessly remind everyone of Obama’s “culture of death” stance.

Posted by: Jeff | February 20, 2008, 12:37 am 12:37 am

Change Obambi? To what? Cut and run from the terrorist in Iraq while their butts are being kicked by our troops? Sounds like the same old liberalism in a new “Change” package. Beware of greeks (Obambi) bearing gifts. Who would the terrorist want in office? If Obambi does not show any substance to his “change” theme, McCain will eat him like a pit bull to fresh meat. So Obambi, where is the beef in your change theme song? Lets see it. I hope you are ready for the debates. By the way does anyone know of Obambi’s accomplishments that qualify him for president? Try asking this question of those who are for Obambi. Good luck.

Posted by: Jack Willis | February 20, 2008, 12:44 am 12:44 am

Let’s define Barracks vote of “Present”…
When the federal bill was being debated, NARAL
Pro-Choice America released a statement that said,
“Consistent with our position last year, NARAL
does not oppose passage of the Born Alive Infants
Protection Act…floor debate served to clarify the
bill’s intent and assure us that it is not targeted at
Roe v. Wade or a woman’s right to choose.”
But Obama voted against this bill in the Illinois
senate and killed it in committee. Twice, the Induced
Infant Liability Act came up in the Judiciary
Committee on which he served. At its first reading
he voted “present.” At the second he voted “no.”
Issue’s of unimportance like the live’s of the most innocent of American’s future prove how and what he stands for…

Posted by: Thomas | February 20, 2008, 12:47 am 12:47 am

McCain speaks the truth. Obama is an empty suit. Not a leader, a celebrity. Not a sea change, a bubble.

Posted by: apetra | February 20, 2008, 12:52 am 12:52 am

Perhaps Obama’s speeches seem empty to the Repubiturds because their head’s are empty. They have no brains! Perhaps Obama should use smaller words so you people don’t get confused.

Posted by: Tony Capuzzi | February 20, 2008, 1:14 am 1:14 am

Barrack HUSSEIN Obama, is an empty suit, inexperienced and untested in these dangerous times. DO we really want a First Lady who has never before been prous of America? I for one do not! Of coourse our terrorist enemies are watching and listening and praying to Alah that there cousin Obama is successful………for he will apologize for America being such a bad country. If that day comes, then I will be the one ashamed of my country and the morons that would have made it so!

Posted by: Madge Owens | February 20, 2008, 1:22 am 1:22 am

Senator McCain has served his country well. He was not my first choice, but he is certainly the only choice now! He is the only real leader running for President on either side.

Posted by: Madge Owens | February 20, 2008, 1:26 am 1:26 am

In Obama’s long winded speech last night he said…
He will raise minimum wages, for no one should be poor (bahahahaha)
He will have healthcare for all(which means it will be SNAFU)
Teachers will be paid more and children will not be tested….
Who is going to pay for all this Mr Obama?
It will be interesting to watch if this knuckelhead wins, to see how far down the toilet he flushed the democratic party bahahahahahahaha

Posted by: Mr Smith Goes to Washington(NOT) | February 20, 2008, 1:31 am 1:31 am

I can think of one good reason to vote for McCain…….not having to endure 4 to 8 years of that ungrateful, self-centered twit….Michelle O’Bama!!!!! She is a disgrace!!!!

Posted by: Tami | February 20, 2008, 1:36 am 1:36 am

In the beginning, I was somewhat impressed by Obama’s “eloquence”… but the more I hear him speak, the more it sounds to me as if his delivery, his cadence, the way he pronounces certain words, slightly mimic MLK’s speeches, as if Obama listened to them over and over and rehearsed them. Given what we know about Obama’s geographic origins, his background and upbringing, I just can’t believe that the way he speaks on the stump – as good as he sounds – came to him naturally. And for me that makes the whole package seem artificial.

Posted by: Midas | February 20, 2008, 1:56 am 1:56 am

Midas, I noticed the same things. He gets a kind of southern accent when he speaks. In debates he is fairly gruff, with a lot of ummms. His policy speeches are like that too.
I’m not against eloquence, but eloquence must serve a purpose higher than oneself. What is Obama’s purpose? What is his crusade? I suppose he is the post-modern candidate – about nothing, but his own existence and his own horse-race.

Posted by: michael | February 20, 2008, 2:08 am 2:08 am

I don’t trust Obama all that much. He sounds too preacher-like, too Bush-like and appears very self serving. His wife seems to be dangling an ultimatum that we either get Barack now or never. All those fine speeches are not even his own. He promises to unite the country, but McCain has already demonstrated it a thousand times by working with Democrats. Even Hillary Clinton saw the merit in working with the people responsible for the impeachment. So, I am going with my head and voting Clinton or McCain. Its a good thing that Obama cannot knock out both of them.

Posted by: Venkat | February 20, 2008, 2:12 am 2:12 am

When the left says “change” they are talking about changing to socialism. The reason Obama never says anything specific is because he would never get elected if he stated his true agenda – socialized medicine, higher taxes, more government programs and entitlements, gut the military, the usual socialist stuff. America might wake up a little to late, especially if he gets a Dem congress, which is likely.

Posted by: K. West | February 20, 2008, 2:34 am 2:34 am

Michael, you got it: that pseudo-southern accent Obama effects in his speeches.
And another thing: what’s up with all the fainting episodes? Tell me they aren’t staged….
“Fired Up and Falling Down: String of Crowd Fainting Incidents Hits Obama Rallies”

Posted by: Midas | February 20, 2008, 2:53 am 2:53 am

Only in 2008 American Culture would the word “eloquent” be used to describe something that is empty. McCain has an obsessive compulsive trait which causes him to feel he has to say something positive about the enemy in every sentence.

Posted by: BBjr | February 20, 2008, 2:56 am 2:56 am

Obama’s message of HOPE?
I HOPE these fools don’t figure out what I mean by CHANGE until its too late.

Posted by: pm | February 20, 2008, 2:59 am 2:59 am

Those of you voting for Obama are just plain gullible. Seriously. You have no idea what his policies or plans are. You like him because he’s an eloquent speaker and wants change. But every candidate says that — he just says it better than the rest. Please, come out of your trance and THINK! Ask yourself, honestly, how is this guy qualified to be president of the USA? If you are honest with yourself, your answer will be “He’s NOT.”
And please spare me the McCain comparison. While I don’t agree with much of what McCain says, at least he has EXPERIENCE. Obama does not.

Posted by: John M | February 20, 2008, 3:03 am 3:03 am

The policy changes of Obama and Hillary are not “new” ideas of change. They’re the same failed liberal failures of the good old Carter years when the US last had a misery index. Obama wants America to become an isolationist country. Listen when Obama speaks of taxing multi corporations to keep jobs here. The jobs he’s talking about are the kind of jobs no one will do, like manufacturing Nike tennis shoes etc. Hillary says everyones out of jobs, and the economy is bad. The unemployment rate is under 5 %. When Bill left the White House we were in a recession, I rest my case! Vote Republican!

Posted by: dave | February 20, 2008, 3:11 am 3:11 am

Paul writes: I suspect the country hasn’t had a presidential candidate who really achieved anything noteworthy before running for office since Eisenhower…..
Let’s Review the presidents since Eisenhower:
Kennedy- US rep for 6 years. 8 years as US Senator
LBJ- US Senator for 12 years, 6 as Majority leader. 2 years as Vice Pres. and 2 years as President when it was his turn to run on his own.
Nixon- House rep and Senator total of 8 years. Vice Pres for 8 years.
Ford- doesn’t count. Was never elected on his own but still was house Minority Leader for 8 years and a rep for 24 years.
Carter- Governor of Georgia for 4 years.
Reagan- Governor of California for 8 years
George HW Bush- US House Rep, CIA director, ambassador to UN, VP for 8 years
Clinton- Governor of Arkansas for total of 12 years.
George W. Bush- Governor of Texas 6 years.
The only one of the above presidents who was never reelected to another term as US Senator, US Rep, or Governor was Jimmie Carter. Look how well that turned out. Of all the above presidents, Obama’s views most closely resemble those of Carter. A little political experience on the national level or as an executive of a state would be helpful. Obama is running for president before he has even completed his first term! (He began his presidential campaign 2 years into a 6 year term). Experience may be somewhat overrated but it at least gives us better insight into the way they would govern. He has no track record to speak of and uses generalities and catchy slogans that are meaningless. Even JFK, to whom the press tries to tie Obama, had much more political experience prior to running for the highest office in the nation. We have little idea what we’re getting but the glimpses we get are concerning. His limited vote history suggests he is the most liberal Senator at present yet he claims he is not. How can we believe him? I certainly don’t. Most independents tend to be centrists overall. They are being duped presently by his rhetoric and eloquence and aren’t making informed decisions yet. This is partially due to the fact that his lack of experience leaves little record that would point to the fact that the “CHANGE” of which he speaks is not the type of change most independents truly value. Bush’s mistakes have left our country hoping for a new direction but that doesn’t mean we should accept any change as better. The Germans of the 1930′s, Russians of the 1910′s and Chinese of the late 1940′s yearned for change and look where that led them.

Posted by: pm | February 20, 2008, 3:59 am 3:59 am

Obama is as worthless as McCain and Clinton. I find all of these candidates very offensive, all for different reasons. McCain is a joke, his immigration policies are the beggining of the end. Clinton is one of satans minions, nothingmore need be said. Obama is a thespian which is still better than his dim witted wife who should move to another country since this one hasn’t ever been capable of making her feel proud until her hubby became a rock star. Obama’s silver tounge will lead us to our final demise in the end. He knows nothing about the world we live in and will desroy this country, as would any of the other candidates. Very sad indeed…

Posted by: Paul Kersey | February 20, 2008, 5:19 am 5:19 am

McCain is definitely not my favorite candidate–Romney was. However, McCain is bullish enough to call Obama on his shortcomings–”elegant but empty” really sums it up. I don’t think Mitt would be nearly so in your face as that, and it did need to be said.
Also, Michelle Obama’s slap in the face to America is very offensive to me. As much as I typically don’t agree with McCain, I also can say that there has never been a day that I have not been grateful and proud to be an American.
Originally, after Mitt was forced out by the spoiler Goober Huckabee, I was determined I would not vote for McCain. I thought Obama would be a better choice. Democrats would fail at governing and would merit the blame they would garner for it.
Once I started listening to Obama, however, I became very alarmed. He is WAY PAST LIBERAL! He’s a Marxist, has no clue about the dangers we face, and what direction to take the nation.
I’ve since decided that I’ll follow Romney’s lead and vote for McCain as the lesser of three evils. At least he will defend the nation and not wave the white flag. Pulling out of the Middle East would allow the terrorists to regroup and grow strong. The bombs going off would explode here. Cannot take that chance.
I do hope McCain chooses Romney as VP (as unlikely as that may be). I think he could do a phenomenal job on the economy, the budget, schools, etc. His health and energy would help balance out the aging McCain on the ticket, as well.

Posted by: Karen | February 20, 2008, 5:32 am 5:32 am

To those who say that Obama is just words, look at his campaign. His is the best planned, organized, and executed. He was against the Iraq war and had the courage to hold this belief, when most thought it politically expedient to vote with Bush.
Hillary, could have been a good president, but she has shown a lack of vision and planning by assuming she would clinch the nomination on Super Tuesday and not planning for the aftermath. She was also dead wrong on Iraq. She has blown it.
I thought McCain was a man of integrity, but now he has “sold his soul” for the nomination, changing 2 of his original viewpoints on immigration and tax cuts for the rich. He sees the world through an evil vs. good mentality…he is just another George W. Bush.
America and the world deserve and need a great president: Barack Obama.

Posted by: Nora | February 20, 2008, 5:44 am 5:44 am

You liberals at ABC never fail – you and other commie-sympathizers are misquoting the lady as saying “really proud” instead of merely “proud” (listen to the tape), which implies that she has been somewhat “proud” in the past, instead of reinforcing what we already suspect – that she and her husband are Ivy-League Radicals who would like to accelerate the socialist revolution in this country.

Posted by: D Daly | February 20, 2008, 6:02 am 6:02 am

So, Nora, if McCain chooses Romney for his VP will you be voting for him? After all, of ALL the candidates, he had the MOST organized and WELL PLANNED and executed campaign.
If that’s the yardstick you use in choosing who to back, he’s your guy! Until Huckabee started the religious bigotry pot boiling and split off the more conservative Republicans, Romney was winning the delegate count. Head to head, he would have won over McCain.
I don’t know if Mitt has the killer instinct enough to do battle with the win-or-die Democrats, though. He’s a true gentleman and politics is a blood sport.
Seriously, Nora, you really need to do some deep thinking about what the result of your vote would be. Obama would destroy the economy and make the world a more dangerous place!
He wants to hand out hundreds of billions of dollars MORE to countries around the world. We already do more than any other nation, but for him it’s not enough. He wants to raise taxes to the max, socialize healthcare, start up all kinds of social programs, and MUCH MORE.
We are wobbling on the edge of a recession. Obama’s plans would plunge us into a full-scale depression. He may talk of HOPE, but that talk will be CHEAP when unemployment begins rising and the economy stalls. You can’t pay your bills with verbage.
Also, his plan to wave the white flag in the face of success would produce GENOCIDE in Iraq and Afghanistan. Democrats stood idle while millions were slaughtered in Rwanda, Vietnam and elsewhere. Want to do the same in the Middle East?
Do you really want to give the terrorists a much needed “breather” now that they are on the ropes and down for the count? Good heavens!
Wake up! These are serious times. We can embrace platitudes and hold hands, but at the end of the day, adults will have to make hard decisions and fight to defend the country and western civilization. Obama will not be able to vote “present” and get a pass when the world starts tumbling down.
Be smart. McCain may not be perfect, but he certainly is better than our other alternatives.

Posted by: Karen | February 20, 2008, 6:12 am 6:12 am

McCain makes me less sick than Obama and I dont feel like he is lying and condescending like Obama

Posted by: Bookem Dano | February 20, 2008, 6:30 am 6:30 am

It’s amazing what people will write on these comment pages. the anonymity of it all gives people free reign to be and say whatever their imagination can create. I mean, you take the one guy (MBA) who “claims” to be highly educated and also african american (two of barack’s highest demographics) on top of that he claims to be a democrat. willing to hold his breath and wait 4 more years through mccain until there is a better nominee than barack. Palease!
I mean really people, this is the internet, until we are held accountable for what we say (IP Address/background info etc.) we will never have an honest discussion on these comments. we all have seen this already through online dating sites. It disgusts me how many hide behind the veil called the internet. Let’s all be the one to first set the example of owning up to all our own shortcomings and unique traits that make us all our own individuals worthy of others respect. not fronting and using nonsense that only a clever novelist could have created. Just BE and speak honestly on here. Lets all be part of the movement to progress forward.
Having said that, i’m looking forward to a historic presidential race between Barack Obama and John McCain.
It’s good to be alive isn’t it?!

Posted by: Michael from Maui | February 20, 2008, 6:44 am 6:44 am

Here is me being and speaking honestly: Obama has a snowflake’s chance in hell.

Posted by: Bookem Dano | February 20, 2008, 6:51 am 6:51 am

Hey, Dano! From your lips to God’s ear!

Posted by: Karen | February 20, 2008, 7:01 am 7:01 am

Michael in Maui–Being a well-educated black male doesn’t mean you don’t get to choose.
Obama may be the cat’s meow to you, but there are a lot of people out here who do not want what he’s selling. The packaging is good, to be sure. It’s the stuff inside–the essense of what he wants for the country–that is turning people off when they become informed. Even black MBA males, by the way.

Posted by: Karen | February 20, 2008, 7:07 am 7:07 am

Has Admiral Obama released his promised plans for invading Pakistan yet?

Posted by: QUESTION HILLARY | February 20, 2008, 7:12 am 7:12 am

tell me please, Karen, what exactly is it do you think people don’t like from Barack? I’d love for you to share with us all, the ideas of his that are so unappealing.
Earnestly waiting your response,

Posted by: michael from Maui | February 20, 2008, 7:20 am 7:20 am

It s unbelievable to me how people are following Obama’s speeches. Sure everyone wants what he promises. But is he selling snake oil? Use your brains!! This guy is an eloquent speaker and is pandering to your desires. But, come back down to reality folks. The emperor doesn’t have new clothes. This is a dangerous world that we live in. it takes someone with experience and good judgement to protect us and to prosper. Ombama is barely qulaified to be a senator. He was a community activist before this! Wake up and stop being mesmerized by this guy. Do any of you know what he will do when the time comes to show leadership, strength, courage, etc. NO, he has no historical record!! McCain is the logical choice for level headed Americans.
I am astounded that there is suddenly a call to “use your brain”, or to be concerned that he has no specific plans, “the Emperor has no clothes”.
What were the significant issues of our time, which your girlfriend, King George the W was pushing during his run to the White house?
What were his “vast” qualifications to lead this great country that made him the go to guy?
As I recall his only issue was, “I won’t be getting blown under the desk in my administration”. And all you Reich wing sheep said “ditto” and pulled the lever.

Posted by: fel121 | February 20, 2008, 7:25 am 7:25 am

Senator McCain is apparently now helping Hillary because he thinks he has a better chance against her?
Did he forget the missing FBI files in the Clinton white house? Good chance McCain’s file was part of that. Keating Five ring a bell Sen. McCain? The proverbial excrement will hit the fan once Hill gets the nomination.
And back to ripping Obama for emptiness. Mr. McCain you are not empty but have substance – voting with Democrats is your substance. You are like Obama in that we know where you lie in the political spectrum and it is not middle or right.
I am a conservative, not sure I want to claim Republican anymore after their profligate Democrat-like spending behaviors.
It appears party affiliation matters not anymore – pols are only in it for themselves to hell with the taxpayer.
Impose term limits by voting out all incumbents – that may get some attention and efficient governing.
And don’t tell me if incumbents lose then the legislative branch will be less efficient – maybe that is a desirable effect as they are only efficient in taking care of themselves not the country and taxpayers.
The legislative branch is getting nothing done for social security, infrastructure, tax reform, entitlement reform, earmark-ending, you name it they have not done it.

Posted by: George in Cincy | February 20, 2008, 7:25 am 7:25 am

When Barry Obama says “change”, he means that after he takes the rest of our money for redistribution he’ll send his goons after the coins in our pockets (i.e. ‘change’).

Posted by: Stewart | February 20, 2008, 7:29 am 7:29 am

This whole situation is for naught. There is one reason why I will never vote for Obama and why I feel all of his words and speeches are empty to the point of being a sociopath.
To state this, this is PAST the issue of pro life or pro choice. A woman decides to have an abortion. The process is done. The baby was in its late 2nd trimester. The baby survives the abortion process. What is the next action? These babies, BORN US CITIZENS IN EVERY RIGHT I might add, were left to die in closets, hampers, and other places in the hospital.
For all you Obama zombies thinking that HE CARES about people, Obama VOTED AGAINST a state law protecting those babies who survive. This term is called PARTIAL ABORTION. AGAIN, the decision of pro life and pro choice is done. The choice was made. Yet, through God’s will, these babies SURVIVED the abortions. And yet, Obama, voted to continue the MURDERS. Thank God this law passed WITHOUT OBAMA’s vote.
Going by law and common sense, this places Obama ACCESSORY TO MULTIPLE HOMICIDES. IF ANYONE, ANYONE, else was running for public office and this was know, they would be trounced out. But not Obama! People sitting there and having their messiah giving his sermons. Sermons of DEATH I might add.
So, while Hillary and McCain have severe faults, for all of you crying about the troops and the blindness by the media about the real War on Terror, is a moot point. Obama ordains to his flock it is ok to kill.
Stick that in your koolaid and drink the bitter pill. For all of you following this MURDEROUS candidate, you all are tainting your souls with his.

Posted by: Erik M | February 20, 2008, 7:33 am 7:33 am

To finish up my point, for all of you parrents, look into your baby’s eyes. Can you not see the innocence, the trust, the love, the simple acceptance? If you do, then how, with clear conscience, can you vote for Obama? If you can not, then you are not fit to be the parents.
Stop going with the masses. I’m not advocating for Hillary or McCain. Both have severe faults. But, Obama wanted to destroy the precious items we call children in the cause of what..being paid out, stem cell research (when the artificial versions are just as good), or whatever.
How can Obama and Michelle look at themselves each and every morning with each other and in the mirrors. Michelle lost faith in the American system? This is the answer? Kill them all and let God sort them out? This is what it means to be a ‘Christian family’?
THINK PEOPLE! FOR ONCE, TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, IN YOUR LIVES, DARE YOURSELVES THINK ABOUT THE PRESENT, LEARN HISTORY, AND ANTICIPATE THE FUTURE THIS KILLER HAS FOR ALL OF US. CHANGE IS A WONDERFUL THING, BUT NOT OBAMA’S.

Posted by: Erik M | February 20, 2008, 7:41 am 7:41 am

Excerpted from wikipedia: “Obama co-sponsored the ‘Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act.’ In September 2006, Obama supported a related bill, the ‘Secure Fence Act,’ authorizing construction of fencing and other security improvements along the Mexico–United States border. ‘Lugar-Obama’ expands the Nunn-Lugar cooperative threat reduction concept to conventional weapons, including shoulder-fired missiles and anti-personnel mines. The ‘Coburn-Obama Transparency Act’ provides for the web site USAspending.gov, managed by the Office of Management and Budget. In December 2006, President Bush signed into law the ‘Democratic Republic of the Congo Relief, Security, and Democracy Promotion Act.’ Obama [sponsored] the ‘Honest Leadership and Open Government Act.’ He sponsor[ed] S. 453, a bill to criminalize deceptive practices in federal elections, including fraudulent flyers and automated phone calls. Obama sponsor[ed] a climate change bill to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by two-thirds by 2050. Obama also introduced the ‘Iraq War De-Escalation Act.’ Obama sponsored an amendment to the 2008 Defense Authorization Act adding safeguards for personality disorder military discharges, and calling for a review by the Government Accountability Office following reports that the procedure had been used inappropriately to reduce government costs. He sponsored the ‘Iran Sanctions Enabling Act’ supporting divestment of state pension funds from Iran’s oil and gas industry, and introduced legislation to reduce risks of nuclear terrorism. Obama also sponsored a Senate amendment to the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) to provide one year of job protection for family members caring for soldiers with combat-related injuries.

Posted by: Laurence | February 20, 2008, 8:03 am 8:03 am

Can one of you Democrat Rocket Scientist tell me how turning America into a Socialist Country is a good thing? Democrats are Socialists. Your Programs are Socialist. Is this what the founding fathers wanted? Socialism is the little brother to communism. Its not good. This what Obama and Hillary have to offer.

Posted by: Ken | February 20, 2008, 8:11 am 8:11 am

What I hear Obama say is basically this…
I am going to raise your gas taxes to spur the economy.
I am going to withdraw troops regardless of the progress in Iraq.
I am going to make sure teachers are paid more than engineers, but based upon years not merit.

Posted by: Ronald | February 20, 2008, 8:14 am 8:14 am

TAXES, TAXES, TAXES. That right you Democrat Dolts. Lets all pay more taxes. Is this what he means by hope/change. EVERYONE WILL PAY MORE IF THIS OBAMA GUY IS ELECTED. EVERYONE! And why is this. So America can continue to spiral deeper and deeper into the black hole of SOCIALISM.

Posted by: Ken | February 20, 2008, 8:21 am 8:21 am

McCain and his minions bank on the notin that the American voter conveniently forgets that they can “chew gum and walk at the same time.” Even for this republican, I can’t re-live a third-term of McCain/Bush on steroids.

Posted by: tomcat27834 | February 20, 2008, 8:29 am 8:29 am

Yes, barack obama is doing very well…..

Posted by: george | February 20, 2008, 8:29 am 8:29 am

Obama’s message IS uniting the States. I know I find myself saying things like “Thank you Wisconsin!!” and “Way to go Hawaii!!”" or “Good job Washington!!” It’s very inspiring. And that inspiration touches me in a way I never knew. For the first time in my life, I am PROUD to be part of the democratic process.

Posted by: jenna | February 20, 2008, 8:39 am 8:39 am

Obama says “… more than a century of war in Iraq”? What planet is that campaign on?

Posted by: Bob Russell | February 20, 2008, 8:40 am 8:40 am

Tomcat please tell me where I can send you my increased tax bill. You obviously feel that you will be immune to a tax increase. I as a middle class citizen know better. You sir are no Republican.

Posted by: Ken | February 20, 2008, 8:41 am 8:41 am

I dont really like John McCain as my first choice for President…but one thing I know for sure…Obama is freaking dangerous. Obama acts as though 9-11 never happened, he has said we need to invade PAKISTAN (the man is deluded), and thinks pulling out of Iraq is a good idea. Someone ought to ask Obama what he thinks will happen in Iraq when we leave, who will get control of the country? Could it be become Osama Bin Ladens own country? Wouldn’t Al Quiada be able to re-establish itself as it had pre-surge? Is Obama saying thats a good idea? Is he kidding…he is dangerous if thats what he thinks, he would give the very TERRORIST organization that attacked us on 9-11 free reign…that would make the man a blithering idiot…a nice guy, but a blithering idiot none the less. No for this reason, I will hold my nose to what I think about John McCain and put him in the white house…he understands the threat and will clearly deal with it.

Posted by: Tom | February 20, 2008, 8:43 am 8:43 am

Obama’s plan = take from the useful citizens, and give to the useless citizens (and illegals for that matter). How Democracy has degraded that we have come to this point where an empty suit, Leftist radical like Obama (the IslamoChristian)is getting votes in large numbers for the democratic party. McCain is no shining star, but he beats Obama!

Posted by: John | February 20, 2008, 8:44 am 8:44 am

Does anyone actually listen to what Obama is saying? It’s ludicrous pie in the sky garbage. For example his energy policy, how do you build an energy policy on technologies that are faulty or have been proven scientifically flase (bio diesel). He’s nothing but a 21st century Pied Piper.

Posted by: Bryan | February 20, 2008, 8:47 am 8:47 am

Obama can be a great and rich “prosperity preacher” if he does not win the Preisdent’s office.

Posted by: James B | February 20, 2008, 8:49 am 8:49 am

Obama shows his naivete by using his ‘I never voted for the war’ and his not wishing to fund the troops as an accomplishment. It may work for the far left, but it points out that his inability to see that having a democracy and a friend of the United States in the middle of the Middle East is GOOD for the US. This stand will definately NOT help him with the US population as a whole. He is anything but a statesman. The folks that like what he has to say are probably the folks who like those ‘feel good’ posters that are meant to inspire, but are nothing but empty platitudes. I hope the the majority of the population is intelligent enough to see through the hype and rhetoric. THIS MAN SAYS NOTHING!!

Posted by: Exlib | February 20, 2008, 8:50 am 8:50 am

you need to end that war McCain. It’s not helping America. Bring the troops back.

Posted by: anonymous | February 20, 2008, 8:50 am 8:50 am

Ken,
If you have an increased tax bill I guarentee it came from your local government which is probably DEMOCRAT. I too have received a tax cut over the last eight years…(and it was much needed)…the only problem, my local state Government is democrat and has doubled taxes across the board, so now I have a net loss…so my net loss isnt coming from Bush or the federal Government…this was Corzine (governor of NJ)…and he is a NIGHTMARE, just look into our states battle going on (New Jersey)..as an example this fool wants to quadruple tolls on our highways (even though we pay federal highway taxes that we now dont get all because we put tolls up), so we pay and pay and pay and get nothing in return but more taxes paying for a wasteful and corrupt state Government. Frankly I cant afford a democrat in the White House!

Posted by: Jim | February 20, 2008, 8:51 am 8:51 am

way to go obama win more states you will never carry in the general election
great momentum!

Posted by: Bookem Dano | February 20, 2008, 8:52 am 8:52 am

There should be two presidents. One who goes abroad and poses with leaders, gives good speeches, wears nice suits, does the occasional people magazine interview and another who runs the armed forces, and makes sure that the parliament of ###### in congress are kept in check. So far, Obama strikes me as the former.

Posted by: Tom in CT | February 20, 2008, 8:54 am 8:54 am

The democrats are nominating an empty suit. The sizzle will fade before November. Future world events will make the Obama candidacy fade away like a #### blowin’ in a stiff breeze. America needs a proven leader as President, not Oprah’s lapdog…

Posted by: Robert Marley | February 20, 2008, 8:55 am 8:55 am

A post above said,
“Obama’s message IS uniting the States. I know I find myself saying things like “Thank you Wisconsin!!” and “Way to go Hawaii!!”" or “Good job Washington!!” It’s very inspiring. And that inspiration touches me in a way I never knew. For the first time in my life, I am PROUD to be part of the democratic process.”
Thanks lady. Socialism is a form of government that inspires you. You obviously feel you are entitled to whats in my pockets. This guy will soak us all for more taxes in order so you can be inspired by your dreams of Socialism.
Than on top of that he’ll bring the troops home in a show of surrendering to our enemies and than gut the Military forcing many of them on to social welfare programs.
Thank you for your socialist dream.

Posted by: Ken | February 20, 2008, 8:55 am 8:55 am

Anyone live through the ’70′s as a head of household and a member of the military? Well, I did! Obama is a clone of Jimmy Carter and his administration … Imagine those great times of 12 % inflation all over again ….and a military seen as a defeated power when we turn tail and run from a war we are winning …. regardless of how we got there, we ARE there …. only two ways to leave a war- as a victor or as a defeated power … why doesn’t Obama talk about getting our troops out of Germany, Japan, Kosovo?? that would make much more sense!!

Posted by: Mike | February 20, 2008, 8:56 am 8:56 am

It is humorous and scary to read comments from the left.Empty, blameless, self rightous, egos attacking and yet unveiling their ignorance.

Posted by: MacMan | February 20, 2008, 8:57 am 8:57 am

What are the chances that the Clinton machine will trade 4 years of McCain for an other chance in 4 years?

Posted by: Robert | February 20, 2008, 9:01 am 9:01 am

Obama has promised anything in his speeches. He speaks only in generalities. Lets see: Change…hope…future. Thats it. Why? He hasnt had to do anything to beat Hillary, aka the little socialist witch spouting about taking profits, hell there goes the American Dream our FOUNDERS laid the foundation for, work hard, build a business, and you too can get rich…NOT WITH HILARY! She will take your profits, redistribute wealth (that you dont deserve because others worked hard to build it!). But here is the news flash, Obam and Hilary have the same policies, they are like twins. Are democrats this brain dead they dont even recognize their once great party has been co-opted by a bunch of SOCIALISTS? Our parents and founders are rolling over in ther graves at OUR stupidity. Only 90 miles to our south is an example of communist and socialist policies..CUBA…and the place is a disaster! Che Rivera pictures and cuban flags havent been flying in Obamas campaign offices for NOTHING! WAKE UP.

Posted by: Tom | February 20, 2008, 9:01 am 9:01 am

Jim,
You hit it right out of the ballpark.
I live in Michigan and we are in a 1 state recession. Guess what, Our Democrat Govenor and Democrat legislature raised taxes. What a true stimulus package that was. NOT. I as a Middle Class American benefited from the Bush Tax Cut. Did you here that America. The Bush Tax cuts were a good thing especially for the middle class.
WE ARE ALL OVER TAXED.

Posted by: Jim | February 20, 2008, 9:01 am 9:01 am

Well the Press created the myth that is Obama. They show his speeches but never the negative side. They reserve the negative attacks for Sen. Clinton. The right wing Press tried to destroy McCain but he keeps standing. The right wing press was pretty hand off when it came to Obama also because they felt he would be easier to beat.
Obama won a lot of red states and states where independents and republicans were allowed to vote in the democrats primary. I don’t think that many republicans actually voted for Obama to win the Presidency, they just want him to be the nominee because he does give good speeches but does much worse in the debates. I’m not sure there are enough college students and “progressive” yuppies to hand him the White House though.

Posted by: Pam | February 20, 2008, 9:03 am 9:03 am

Oops.
Laurance,
If Obama has accomplished all that you list, why is he not talking about all of these accomplishments in his rhetoric filled speeches? It’s because he has not been a major contributor in any if that legislation! Two years in the Senate (one spent campaigning). Once again, THE MAN SAYS NOTHING!!

Posted by: Exlib | February 20, 2008, 9:04 am 9:04 am

As a conservative independant, I cannot remember a more frustrating election year. Hillary, Obama, and McCain would ALL bring disasster to our economy. It saddens me to to see any of them defended by the thinking people posting here (party loyalists will mindlessly defend their party candidate, so they don’t count). I honestly can’t think of any way to vote my conscience this year. Don’t know what I’ll do come November.

Posted by: Matt | February 20, 2008, 9:07 am 9:07 am

Exlib,
You are dead on. Obama is a freshman senator in his third year. In the last three years he has been campaigning for two of those three years. He has done NOTHING. But the girls are passing out and the liberals are swooning over his empty speeches…and literally thats what they are…devoid of any substance at all. One good thing, thanks to Obama, liberals and democrats are openly revealing themselves to be the immature and un-intelligent, lacking any substance or thought when it comes to running and securing a nation. They would pretty much elect Matt Damon as their president, because he makes them weak in the knees..My god they are pathetic.

Posted by: jim | February 20, 2008, 9:13 am 9:13 am

Obama’s socialist rhetoric is really scary …. when the rich get smacked with a huge tax increase they’ll just move their money into tax free municipal bonds, and stop paying tax. Investment capital dries up, businesses can’t expand and compete, people lose their jobs. Why can’t the Democrats understand this basic economic principal?? I’m not rich, but a rich man created my job by investing in a business, probably when taxes were lowered. Five percent of the people (the rich) already pay 65 percent of the taxes …. perhaps we should pursue a novel idea like cutting spending to correct our budget problem … that will be hard to do when all you do is promise new government programs to everyone …..the free market creates industries and REAL jobs … government creates dependence ….

Posted by: Mike | February 20, 2008, 9:16 am 9:16 am

Matt,
the only reason i will vote for Mccain is the IRAQ and the terrorists…he has an acceptable position on those…Otherwise I cant stand him, if there wasnt the issue of terrorists, I wouldnt vote. I have kids so I cant justify not voting and hence letting these terrorist idiots get stronger. I will hold my nose for security sake.

Posted by: Tom | February 20, 2008, 9:17 am 9:17 am

Obama is not dirty. Can you say the same for the Clintons?

Posted by: bruce | February 20, 2008, 9:20 am 9:20 am

How would you know if Obama is dirty or not?? He has no record to examine!! Maybe we’ll have to look at his record as a lawyer …. remember Hillary’s record? After Obama is nominated, perhaps the media will finally do it’s job and dig into his ‘accomplishments’ …

Posted by: Mike | February 20, 2008, 9:26 am 9:26 am

You libs are all the same. All emotion no thinking. C’mon…. Obama is an empty suit with no real experience other than voting “not present”. Is this the best the Dems have to offer. At least McCain has experience and loves America.

Posted by: John | February 20, 2008, 9:27 am 9:27 am

Obama gives a real good speech. With a teleprompter. Reading off cards? Ouch

Posted by: Bo | February 20, 2008, 9:36 am 9:36 am

Last night McCain criticized Obama for saying he would strike inside Pakistan which we have done and done with some success in the past couple weeks. So when some say they will vote for him because of Iraq and Terrorists I don’t quite understand. Is McCain saying he doesnt want to go after the terrorists where they are harbored? or is he having second thoughts about ‘following them into the gates of hell’?

Posted by: Jakob2008 | February 20, 2008, 9:42 am 9:42 am

No teleprompter last night that was McCain with the teleprompter.

Posted by: Jakob2008 | February 20, 2008, 9:45 am 9:45 am

Watching McCain with cards seems much more painful.

Posted by: Jakob2008 | February 20, 2008, 9:48 am 9:48 am

It is true – Obama has a gift in public speaking. But then, so do hundreds (if not thousands) of Americans who do that for a living – preachers, motivational speakers, etc. If given the opportunities and access that he has had, any one of them could rally the crowds and gather votes! The main difference is: they know that they are not qualified to be President. But Obama is apparently so caught up in self-agrandisement and the thrill of being idolized by the crowds, that he can’t even realize his own humanity and lack of experience. If he really loved the country, even he would realize that we need a leader with experience. He has done NOTHING! My husband is a great speaker but he has sense enough to know he is not ready to be President. I believe Obama would be such a disaster as President, that the country might never recover! I just PRAY that Americans are NOT so incredibly stupid as to mindlessly follow this guy, Hollywood and the U.S. media’s hopelessly liberal, but totally misguided agenda. Obama (and his crazed followers) are downright scary!

Posted by: Deb | February 20, 2008, 9:52 am 9:52 am

Obama is like chilly fog – form without substance.

Posted by: KPRO | February 20, 2008, 9:53 am 9:53 am

To Obama’s defense he hasn’t had enough experience or record to have a lot of substance to back up what he says in some speeches. McCain’s absolutely right.

Posted by: Dave | February 20, 2008, 10:02 am 10:02 am

Change….blah, blah, blah, Change…blah, blah, blah, blah Change…blah, blah, blah……….
What does this mean, other than change?
I can hear the campaign strategists saying, “we’ll just say the word CHANGE over and over and over and over. It will hypnotize a good number of them”. Change, hope, change, hope, change, hope, change, hope, change, hope, change, hope.

Posted by: Steve | February 20, 2008, 10:05 am 10:05 am

Mike..you are right….all emotion, not much thought

Posted by: Steve | February 20, 2008, 10:15 am 10:15 am

America needs to wake up. Obama lacks experience and expertise, and he will never be able to implement the changes he is promising. McCain is correct with his “Eloquent by Empty” assessment. I only hope the Dems. will realize this and recognize the value of electing Hillary Clinton as the nominee. We have one last chance. Wake up America! The Emperor has no clothes!!!

Posted by: Paul | February 20, 2008, 10:17 am 10:17 am

Obama=messiah complex; McCain=?; Clinton=bizarre

Posted by: JLK | February 20, 2008, 10:19 am 10:19 am

I cannot stomach the rhetoric of BOTH Hillary and Obama trying to demonize the “Rich and Wealthy” and trying to pander to the “Hard Working”. I have worked my A** of for the last 20 years, paid A LOT of taxes, and guess what? I am classified as “wealthy” and I am sure lot of you out there are classified as “Rich” also. Quit insulting us “Hard-working-but-successful” voters….isn’t that the American Dream?
If Hillary and Obama (and every other Democrat, for that matter) are out there daily “Fighting” and “Working” and “Striving” for the working poor, the uninsured, and the unemployed, isn’t that only about 5% of our population? So are they saying they are not fighting and working and striving for change for those 95% of us who are employed, insured, and have a job?

Posted by: Teddy K | February 20, 2008, 10:26 am 10:26 am

I’m waiting with great expectations for the McCain-Obama debates. McCain will clean Obama’s clock.

Posted by: jody | February 20, 2008, 10:48 am 10:48 am

I love the folks on here who include their resumes in their postings. Seems to reveal a pretty deep insecurity about the substance of what you’re saying. Arguments from authority are the weakest arguments.
It would be nice if we could have a political conversation without feeling the need to villify the opposition. Those who dismiss Obama as empty rhetoric haven’t paid close attention to what he’s done. A community organizer, civil rights lawyer, professor, state legislator and US senator. That’s a pretty damn impressive record and a wealth of varied experiences.
McCain is a compelling candidate too, but he appears to have abandoned his maverick streak of charting his own path in favor of pandering to the same base that has lead this country off-track over the past 7 years.
I really think it is on McCain to show this country how his policies as president will be different from George Bush. McCain’s self-professed ignorance regarding economic matters is especially concerning.
Obama is a refreshing and substantively different type of politician. Those who ignore him or dismiss him as non-substantive do so at our country’s peril.

Posted by: Martin | February 20, 2008, 10:53 am 10:53 am

Obama is for hope and change and change and hope. I hope the change is really change and that gives us hope. Obama is John Kerry without the stick attached.
What has he done? Nothing. A joke to be sure.

Posted by: tom | February 20, 2008, 10:54 am 10:54 am

The last few posts have made participating in this discussion pointless. Ben – I didn’t know Obama was actually mentioned in the Bible? That’s a pretty impressive accomplishment. Maybe Susan will re-evaluate her opposition to him if you send her chapter and verse?

Posted by: Martin | February 20, 2008, 11:05 am 11:05 am

Nora said….
” To those who say that Obama is just words, look at his campaign. His is the best planned, organized, and executed. He was against the Iraq war and had the courage to hold this belief, when most thought it politically expedient to vote with Bush. ”
Nora, Get your facts straight, obama wasn’t even in office to vote against the war in iraq.

Posted by: dave | February 20, 2008, 11:10 am 11:10 am

Martin is starting to sound like the NY Times: He liked McCain as long as he served his purposes in trashing conservatives. Now that he no longer has any use for McCain, as he’s standing in the way of his favored candidate, it’s time to start belittling him.
No matter how you spin it, Obama’s record is thin. So far, he has offered absolutely NOTHING of substance and, at some point, he’s going to have to give us more than “hope and audacity” and will have to explain why his is the most liberal voting record in the Senate.
Frankly, the only thing “new and different” about Obama is that he’s the first DEMOCRAT in quite some time who is not campaigning as an angry, aggrieved candidate. And while that is certainly a refreshing change, it won’t likely be enough.

Posted by: GMN | February 20, 2008, 11:10 am 11:10 am

Ken, RB, whatever alias you want to use… I feel sorry for you. Good luck in life.

Posted by: Martin | February 20, 2008, 11:11 am 11:11 am

Martin, I don’t need you to feel sorry for me or your luck. As scary as Obama will be as a President, if he’s elected, I’m not afraid because Jesus has me…but who has you? Ah, yes, Obama, he’ll take care of you or at least he says he will.

Posted by: RB | February 20, 2008, 11:18 am 11:18 am

Let me get this straight:
The extreme right think that McCain isn’t Conservative; and
The Left thinks that he is too right.
So we can elect a canidate the makes neither side happy but partially satisfied; or
We can elect a canidate that makes one side happy and the other side appalled.
I didn’t cast my vote for either of these two canidates in the primaries, so I am not selling anything here… I just want everyone to remember we are ONE country and maybe if we would look out for each other more than we did ourselves we might actually make a difference.

Posted by: Candace for Kansas | February 20, 2008, 11:18 am 11:18 am

Way to go John! It’s about time someone calls Obama on how he’s always talking but never actually says anything he’s going to actually do.

Posted by: Bill | February 20, 2008, 11:21 am 11:21 am

Even as a little girl, I was always proud of my country – yet my family was “poor”. I didn’t have all the priviledges that Michelle Obama had, growing up. I had to work my way through college and it took more than the traditional 4 years. I have lived in several other countries and enjoyed the experience, but I have to say that many (probably most) Americans just don’t understand how good we have it! They take our freedom for granted. Freedom is not free – our freedom was bought with the blood of thousands of honorable men and women in the American military who fought for it, and tough people like John McCain who spent years as a POW because – guess what – he was PROUD of his country! He believed in it and truly sacrificed for it. I am happy Mrs. O has finally come around to being proud of “her” country – now that she and her husband envision the possibility that they could be in control of it, but I think she and her husband both have some growing up to do. they need to pay a few dues. They should be grateful, not just proud to live here. So BO – show us what you really believe by actually DOING something as a “public servant”, so that we KNOW WHO YOU ARE! Talk is cheap. Sorry, but you are not ready for prime time.

Posted by: Deb | February 20, 2008, 11:29 am 11:29 am

Candace,
Let me get this straight:
Democrats want to take this country and turn it into a Socialist nation. In order to do that it would require massive tax increases in order to fund these Socialist programs. According to your statement I guess by me not wanting to pay more taxes I do not want to look out for my fellow man. If creating large beaurocratic government is looking after your fellow man and many Americans believe that than all is lost.
America listen up. Socialism is the answer. This is the only way to take care of our fellow man. Middle class, upper class prepare to open your wallets. The government is our father and we are its children.

Posted by: Ken | February 20, 2008, 11:33 am 11:33 am

GNM- first, thanks for redirecting this conversation back to the civil and rational. I agree this silly messianic crap with Obama is silly and counterproductive but most supporters are more level-headed in their allegiance to Obama. David Brooks – a conservative reporter – wrote a good article about this recently.
To clarify, I don’t trash conservatives and I challenge you to pick out anything I said in my postings that constitutes trashing (in contrast to the Obama bashers). In fact, I have pictures to prove that I have many conservative friends. Seriously, I’m a registered independent and the tone of the attacks on Obama in this discussion post are disturbing not for what they say about Obama but about the posters.
Most Obama supporters I know respect McCain but have honest differences with his policies. The fact that many of the McCain supporters here do not respect Obama is troubling to me. If you’ve listened to his speeches or read his books you’d know he has proposed a range of concrete policy proposals. You may agree or disagree with those but regardless that’s what this discussion should be – not vitriol being spewed about someone being an anti-Christ.
Obama is elevating the discussion in politics and that is sorely needed as evidenced by the posters here.

Posted by: Martin | February 20, 2008, 11:38 am 11:38 am

One other thing that may make McCain more qualified to make decisions regarding the war on terrorism is the fact that he has two sons currently serving in the military. One in the USMC in Iraq and the other at the US Naval Academy. Further, he has never been one to side with his president or his party when he thought they were wrong. That is leadership. I am from Illinois and if Mr. Obama can explain to me why the students in his district, after being represented by him for lo these many years, (Illinois State Senate, US Senate) continue to score lower on national tests than most of the country then I will concede that he is the “education” candidate. He reminds me of the last “rock star” from Illinois who ran for president… Carol Mosley Fraud er Braun.

Posted by: Ed | February 20, 2008, 11:39 am 11:39 am

Jonah Goldberg of NRO’s The Corner reported yesterday that Michelle Obama’s thesis, “Princeton-Educated Blacks and the Black Community,” is unavailable until November 5, 2008 at the Princeton library.
Hmmmm …. I wonder why. I would think inquiring minds would like to know.

Posted by: SlouchingtowardBoulder | February 20, 2008, 11:44 am 11:44 am

Considering that Obama was a state senator just three years ago, he is probably the lest experienced person to run for President, perhaps, ever.
His “real” experience mainly consists of being a community activist. And we want someone like that running the country?

Posted by: SlouchingtowardBoulder | February 20, 2008, 11:49 am 11:49 am

I don’t understand how people continue to say Obama has “said nothing”? He has given us his strategy to get out of Iraq, he has given us his health care plan, he has spoke to keeping jobs in this country and getting rid of the Clintons NAFTA, he has spoke on eliminating Bush’s tax cuts for the rich, and he has spoken to taking a hardline approach to terroism… amongst other things. How is this just speaking in rhymes and riddles. And enough of this Hussein Obama, seriously? Are people that ignorant?

Posted by: Adam | February 20, 2008, 11:49 am 11:49 am

Martin…in all sincerity, you have mentioned in an earlier post what Obama IS: “A community organizer, civil rights lawyer, professor, state legislator and US senator.” since you’ve read his books, listened to his speeches and you’re obviously a supporter what EXACTLY has he DONE? You mentioned his “concrete policy proposals”. …so you must know what they are. Enlighten us…please.

Posted by: ChaCha | February 20, 2008, 11:51 am 11:51 am

Personaly, I find it rather pathetic that anyone is looking to any of these candidates for guidance, change, or hope. Who needs them? They all are trying to convince the herd that the herd needs a sheperd, rather than the herd needs to be self-sufficient, independent, self-relient, and individualistic. Ron Paul, however, did say these things and stressed individualism.
Keep looking to these jokers for your hope and change. You will be disappointed…again, and again.

Posted by: crockett | February 20, 2008, 11:59 am 11:59 am

Obama won’t let himself be responsible for losing the war (and the resulting chaos) in Iraq, so he’s pandering at every speech.
Obama can wreck the economy in four years with his rediculous policies, but he won’t risk it (reelection?), so he’s lying about doing any of that stuff.
Sorry folks, Obama want’s to be the first black president. The rest is pandering. Just think about it, if he was really passionate about getting things done, wouldn’t he be trying to share at least some details about his plans? Uh, screw the rich? Uh, get out of Iraq? Nonsense. No, he wants to make himself a historic figure, have fame and fortune, enjoy the spotlight, throw parties, be the center of attention, and, having done nothing, take credit for all the good in the world.
By the way, to the degree you base your vote on race, is the degree you are a racist.

Posted by: Draft 'em | February 20, 2008, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm

At no point during this campaign have I ever been under the assumption that Obama is trying to become the first African American president. Hillary on the other hand… she doesn’t care about us.

Posted by: Adam | February 20, 2008, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm

Linda, get your facts straight. Obama didn’t vote against going into Afghanistan when America was attacked. Obama voted against going into Iraq when Bush fed us a bunch of bull about “nuculear” weapons. How has this war affected our lifestyles? Look at the economy and jobless rates at this very moment and look at the billions and billions of dollars we are pooring into this senseless war in Iraq; it is most definitely affecting our lifestyle.

Posted by: Adam | February 20, 2008, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm

Adam, every single article written about Obama says he’s trying to become the first African American president. I think thou deludest thyself.

Posted by: Draft 'em | February 20, 2008, 12:11 pm 12:11 pm

Eric B, comments:
“Obama would be the least experienced President with the lightest resume in over a century.”
And he might not even be in office except that Fitzgerald got himself involved in a very messy divorce scandal.

Posted by: John Schuh | February 20, 2008, 12:11 pm 12:11 pm

Draft’em- Maybe that’s because if he wins he’ll be the first black president? That’s pretty obvious… His intention is not to become the first black president, it is to finally get this country back in the right direction.

Posted by: Adam | February 20, 2008, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm

“I suspect the country hasn’t had a presidential candidate who really achieved anything noteworthy before running for office since Eisenhower”
Bush #1 had quite the resume. See below. He had a raw deal. Thanks Perot.
Vice President
Ambassador to the United Nations
Director of CIA
Congressman
Youngest Navy Pilot

Posted by: Justin | February 20, 2008, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm

Accomplishments: McCain
His naval honors include the Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart, and the Distinguished Flying Cross.
1976 – John McCain becomes the U.S. Navy’s liaison to the United States Senate.
August 1, 1979 – John McCain is promoted to Captain in the U.S. Navy.
April 15, 1997 – John McCain presented the “1996 Taxpayer’s Hero Award” by The Council for Citizens Against Government Waste.

Posted by: David | February 20, 2008, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm

The response from the Obama camp was
weak and pathetic!
Politics of fear! Well you tell that to
the families of the 3,000 civilians who were killed on 9/11 in New York, PA, and
Washington DC!
Warmongering! It’s called Peace through
Strength Senator Obama!
You and Hillary Clinton are way too
wet behind the ears to trust with the
Presidency!

Posted by: reaganfan | February 20, 2008, 12:33 pm 12:33 pm

Thanks, Martin for the links. I will look thos over.

Posted by: ChaCha | February 20, 2008, 12:40 pm 12:40 pm

Adam, what liberal policy of the past has ever gotten the country “back on the right track?” Social security threatens to bankrupt us (it makes the war look like pennies.) Welfare has created government dependency. Anti-military policies strengthen and embolden our enemies. Public education celebrates mediocrity and punishes achievement. So, how does taxing the rich and pulling out of Iraq help us? Maybe to you it makes you feel good to “help” people or wave the peace flag or to punish someone who has more money than you? Unfortunately, liberalism has always attempted to redefine basic human tendencies. If you give something for nothing, it doesn’t motivate one to get to work (the only real way to get out of poverty.) If you don’t fight your enemies, they won’t want to quit fighting you, they’ll just get stronger and more dangerous.
Obama keeps talking about a new direction, but there is nothing new about his policy ideas, they’ve been failing us for generations. The only new thing about Obama is that he’s black. The race novelty is not enough for me. In fact, it’s a shame that it’s carried him this far.

Posted by: Draft 'em | February 20, 2008, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm

The McCain camp apparently cannot debate genuine issues and has to resort to the same politics of fear crap that the Bush administration used for the past 7 years.
If folks think this country is on the right track, then by all means vote McCain and you’ll get an extension of W’s reign.
To the McCain camp – please tell me how he is going to change the course of this country for the better? What are his policy proposals? More tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans who don’t need them while hardworking folks struggle to make ends meet? 100 more years in Iraq while our domestic economy tanks? Another war with Iran?
Give me a break.

Posted by: Martin | February 20, 2008, 12:47 pm 12:47 pm

Draft’em, let me ask you this. Would you consider George Bush’s presidency a successful one? This election has nothing to do with liberal or conservative. I know what I’m getting with Hillary and I know what I’m getting with Mccain (another 4 years of Bush). This election is about giving someone other than a Clinton or Bush a chance to see if he can fix was those two families have been screwing up the last 20 years. Maybe Obama is the guy, maybe he isn’t but we’re doing ourselves a huge injustice but not giving him a chance and sticking with the status quo.

Posted by: Adam | February 20, 2008, 12:50 pm 12:50 pm

Grad. of Columbia University and Harvard Law School. Community organizer. Civil rights lawyer. 1997- 2004: Illinois Senate
U.S. Senate -2004 Holds assignments on the Senate Committees for Foreign Relations; Health, Education, Labor and Pensions; Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs; and Veterans’ Affairs, and Congressional Black Caucus.109th Congress: Partnered to create the Coburn-Obama Transparency Act as well as the “LugAs a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Obama made official trips to Eastern Europe, the Middle East, and Africa, Russia, Ukraine, and Azerbaijan,Following meetings with U.S. military in Kuwait and Iraq in January 2006, Obama visited Jordan, Israel, and the Palestinian territories. The trip focused on strategies to control the world’s supply of conventional weapons, biological weapons, and weapons of mass destruction as a first defense against potential terrorist attacks.ar-Obama” act.At a meeting with Palestinian students two weeks before Hamas won the legislative election, Obama warned that “the U.S. will never recognize winning Hamas candidates unless the group renounces its fundamental mission to eliminate Israel.” He left for his third official trip in August 2006, traveling to South Africa, Kenya, Djibouti, Ethiopia and Chad. 110th Congress: Worked with Russ Feingold to create the “Honest Leadership and Open Government Act” which was signed into law in Sept 2007.He joined Chuck Schumer (D-NY) in sponsoring S. 453, a bill to criminalize deceptive practices in federal elections.Obama also introduced the “Iraq War De-Escalation Act”, a bill to cap troop levels in Iraq, begin phased redeployment, and remove all combat brigades from Iraq before April 2008.
In 2007, Obama sponsored with Kit Bond (R-MO) an amendment to the 2008 Defense Authorization Act adding safeguards for personality disorder military discharges.He sponsored the “Iran Sanctions Enabling Act” supporting divestment of state pension funds from Iran’s oil and gas industry, and joined Chuck Hagel (R-NE) in introducing legislation to reduce risks of nuclear terrorism. A provision from the Obama-Hagel bill was passed by Congress in December 2007 as an amendment to the State-Foreign Operations appropriations bill.Obama also sponsored a Senate amendment to the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) to provide one year of job protection for family members caring for soldiers with combat-related injuries.SCHIP was vetoed by President Bush in early October 2007, a move Obama said “shows a callousness of priorities that is offensive to the ideals we hold as Americans.”Authored two books- “Dreams from my Father” and “The Audacity of Hope.”

Posted by: Donna S | February 20, 2008, 12:55 pm 12:55 pm

Wally… I’m not supporting a Clinton. I think the only thing worse than electing Mccain would be electing Hillary. If Hillary would happen to some how pull this thing off, I would vote for Mccain just to keep her out of office.

Posted by: Adam | February 20, 2008, 12:59 pm 12:59 pm

The reason Mccain is taking shots at Obama now rather than Hillary is very simple to figure out. He knows he can beat Hillary; Obama is a different story.

Posted by: Adam | February 20, 2008, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm

For all you people complaining about Republicans running up the national debt during the Bush years, the Wall Street Journal researched the subject and found that Democrats had proposed 10 times the amount of spending between 2001-2006, but fortunately, these spending bills were voted down by Republicans.
So for you Democrats to now complain about the national debt is the epitome of hypocrisy. It would be 10 times greater than today if you had had your way.

Posted by: James | February 20, 2008, 1:04 pm 1:04 pm

Adam,
Obama will be the nominee based on Primary and Caucas results, but he will not get the nomination. Don’t under estimate HRC…She has planned for this for 20+ years and will not let some light weight like Obama get the nomination. It is going to get really nasty soon on the Dem side.

Posted by: Wally | February 20, 2008, 1:10 pm 1:10 pm

Adam, for me George Bush’s tax cuts have helped. I’m a small business owner and an veteran Army Ranger, so I’ve walked my own talk and it’s actually worked for me. I feel like I’ve earned every dollar I have, and that I’d be able to take better care of my family, my friends and my aging parents if I didn’t have to give so much to everyone with an excuse not to work. I believe that we must have a very strong military (which includes having bases close to our big enemies) because we have real threats out there. In the end, I want a life of peace where I can earn a living. I think the proof is in the pudding for Bush. We haven’t been attacked since 911, we’ve gotten rid of Saddam, we’ve severely damaged Al Quaeda,my taxes are lower so I have a better life. That’s all I want, to know my family is safe in a dangerous world, and to be able to make a living in the free market. Yeah, Bush did too much social spending. He’s not a conservative. Obama, on the other hand, threatens these most important things. He wants to raise my taxes (i.e. take away more of my time and freedom), and allow our enemies to restore strength and confidence. I don’t believe him, though. But, it’s bad enough to say it every day in front of millions of people.

Posted by: Draft 'em | February 20, 2008, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm

michelle is the scary one….would u like to see her travel the world at you r expense since she is really proud of you…..

Posted by: george | February 20, 2008, 1:19 pm 1:19 pm

Thinking of Obama reminds me of a quote by Gertrude Stein which I feel applies to Obama, “There’s no there there”. PT Barnum was right “There’s a sucker born every minute” and they think Obama is their Messiah!

Posted by: Chris | February 20, 2008, 1:26 pm 1:26 pm

Wish I had time to read all these comments, but I have to get back to work.
Amen to Ray, Jeff, Robert in NYC, and Thomas, especially, for bringing up abortion. That issue is always there in the background for me, always defining a candidate’s worldview, whether or not it’s currently in the news.
P.S. I early voted for McCain yesterday.

Posted by: Susan in TX | February 20, 2008, 1:27 pm 1:27 pm

“He knows he can beat Hillary; Obama is a different story.”
Actually, I think an Obama nomination would virtually guarantee a victory by McCain. In the last three weeks, the word most used by mainstream pundits to describe Obama’s mesmerizing influence is “creepy”. And this morning, liberal columnist Froma Harrop noted:
“Volunteer trainees at Camp Obama are told not to talk issues with voters, but to offer personal testimony about how they “came” to Obama.

Posted by: Tony | February 20, 2008, 1:31 pm 1:31 pm

Demetrius,
I went to the Obama website and read the sections. I doesn’t say anything….Just more diatribes…. Lets face it, just because you are educated doe not mean you are not imcompedent.

Posted by: Wally | February 20, 2008, 1:34 pm 1:34 pm

Demetrius,
I went to the Obama website and read the sections. I doesn’t say anything….Just more diatribes…. Lets face it, just because you are educated doe not mean you are not imcompedent.

Posted by: Wally | February 20, 2008, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm

Vote McBush and continue the 100-yr. Oil Wars.
And when are we going to see an in-depth piece on Cindy Hensley McCain, both the family history and her personal history. Talk about “colorful”.
I thought stealing prescription drugs within the GOP was the special province of Talk Radio hosts.

Posted by: fougasseu | February 20, 2008, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm

in all honesty, is anyone REALLY afraid of iran,iraq,north korea etc?
we have paid a huge price for 9/11 and even a bigger price for its prep for another.
very sorry for 3000 lost on 9/11 but its been overkill since.
obama best bet.

Posted by: donfearthereaper | February 20, 2008, 1:43 pm 1:43 pm

Let’s get down to brass tacks. If B. Hussein Obama were white he would never get the nomination.
Never in history has someone been elected President of the US with less experience than Hussein.
This is turning into an affirmative action election. Sorry, but this will not unite the country, only tear it apart.

Posted by: Tim | February 20, 2008, 1:45 pm 1:45 pm

@ Robert.
You are a fool if you, as an “educated person” actually believe the false unemployment numbers being handed to you by the BLS. You can actually double those numbers and be a lot closer to an accurate figure.
I don’t know how the figures are compiled in France, maybe they are a little more forthcoming than our government, maybe not, but to tout our figures and not know what you are truly talking about is sheer ignorance.
But then, you do seem to fit that particular shoe.
Anyways, I’ve read your arguments and I am not in the least impressed with your ideas based upon weak assumptions and little in the way of accurate information.
Just another “lemming” to use your phraseology.

Posted by: James in Mich | February 20, 2008, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm

Why is experience such a factor anyway? Some of our greatest presidents had as little or less experience than Obama (Lincoln and Kennedy). Then again, some of our worst did too (Regan and Bush II). You need to base your opinion of somebody on their plans and their visions, not just their experience.

Posted by: Ted | February 20, 2008, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm

Michelle Obama is another spoiled BRAT American who has been given everything and throws out she has NEVER been proud of America, UNTIL her husband is now the Dem front runner. She is a DISGRACE, the kind of woman who will take this spoiled country under with her empty suit husband.. who she leads around to do her bidding. Of course she will hand out crumbs to the poor.. and they will stay poor, as they have since 1964.. But she will not notice the tragedy as she lives her lavish lifestyle, a-la shopping in Paris with her NEW found friends.
Beware those who know little and have been dumbed down via the Democratic media and out Marxist schools.

Posted by: dico | February 20, 2008, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm

This is really an amazing quote?? This might one day be the First Lady and she only now is proud of our country??
Michelle Obama said, “For the first time in my adult lifetime, I’m really proud of my country .

Posted by: Shemp | February 20, 2008, 1:55 pm 1:55 pm

in all honesty, is anyone REALLY afraid of iran,iraq,north korea etc?
we have paid a huge price for 9/11 and even a bigger price for its prep for another.
very sorry for 3000 lost on 9/11 but its been overkill since.
obama best bet

Posted by: dontfearthereaper | February 20, 2008, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm

Bernadette, I’m sorry, I didn’t realize that your intelligence level was so high that you can figure out his agenda without even reading it! That’s pretty impressive.

Posted by: Ted | February 20, 2008, 1:58 pm 1:58 pm

Change? Every 4-8 years we get change people, that isn’t new. He talks about increasing taxes on the rich (whatever that means; (150K, 200K, 500k, what is rich to these people?) If he’d take a basic economic course, he’d realize that when you increase taxes on the most productive members of a society, you decrease production, which leads to higher unemployment and wealth being transferred to more tax friendly places, like Ireland for instance. This hurts the middle class. Also, he wants to raise the minimum wage, another democrat pandering mechanism that creates higher unemployment because small business owners lose profit and lay off workers. I’m as middle class as you can get, make $53k a year, and am worried that a dem congress and dem executive branch will rob me of my paycheck even more than they do already.

Posted by: Patriot | February 20, 2008, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm

Sad that many liberals have revised history to portray Carter as a good president, while condemning Bush as the worst in history. Carter accomplished absolutely nothing, while Bush fought and won an unpopular war.
Obama is set to be Carter 2, again a socialist experiment disaster that will accomplish nothing. Shamefully, the liberal will indeed revise history again, so that we will eventually have another failed socialist experiment.

Posted by: Ricjey | February 20, 2008, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm

? do repubs = liberal as a bad thing?
liberal = social security benefits, minimum wage, etc.
liberals have done alot 4 this country.
obama best bet.

Posted by: dontfearthereaper | February 20, 2008, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm

Facts:
McCain, with almost 20 years in goverment has never introduced a single earmark in legislation.
Both Mrs. Clinton and Barrack, during their short time in the senate have each introduced dozens of earmarks.
Yes, the Rebublicans in congress and President Bush abandoned conservative core principles by failing to rein in spending which is why they were unseated, however the dems never had any to begin with.
McCain was not my first choice, but at least he has some redeeming qualities.

Posted by: Brad | February 20, 2008, 2:14 pm 2:14 pm

I find this comment completely offensive:paraphrase “Did you ever have to sit in the back of the bus or line because of your color?”
My answer: No, I didn’t, but I was turned down for a student loan because of my race. It was my race that left me in third place for a job in which I was clearly more qualified than the others. I lost many opportunities because of my color, but it gave me character and made me a stronger person.
I AM PROUD TO BE WHITE

Posted by: Ricjey | February 20, 2008, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm

Define “wealthy” Mr. Obama. And then take a look at the checkbook of one of those “wealthy” Americans whose household earnings are $70,000 (that’s before taxes, of course). I am FAR from wealthy…we live paycheck to paycheck because we are taxed too much. Unchecked entitlement programs benefit from my tax dollars and while I buy hamburger, the food stamps are buying filet mignon.
I PRAY the tax cuts are made permanent. After all, it is MY money they’re giving back to me. And I strongly believe Americans do a heckuva better job spending taxpayer (a.k.a. their own money) than government any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
Why do we want to punish the wealthy? Doesn’t that discourage people from wanting to better their situations in life by earning more? Handouts don’t work. A hand up works every time.

Posted by: Not Wealthy | February 20, 2008, 2:26 pm 2:26 pm

Anyone… Please tell me five things that Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton have accomplished as Senators. I would really like to know what either has done that qualifies them to be President
of this nation.

Posted by: rck | February 20, 2008, 2:28 pm 2:28 pm

Waiting… and waiting… and waiting …..

Posted by: Bernadette | February 20, 2008, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm

Anyone… Please tell me five things that Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton have accomplished as Senators
stop waitin…..
here is one….
he voted AGAINST invading iraq
this is not hindsight but foresight…
probably in a nutshell the vote that gets him elected as president..
nothing else seems to matter according to the current pulse of america today
obama best bet

Posted by: dontfearthereaper | February 20, 2008, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm

A post above said,
“Obama’s message IS uniting the States. I know I find myself saying things like “Thank you Wisconsin!!” and “Way to go Hawaii!!”" or “Good job Washington!!” It’s very inspiring. And that inspiration touches me in a way I never knew. For the first time in my life, I am PROUD to be part of the democratic process.”
Thanks lady. Socialism is a form of government that inspires you. You obviously feel you are entitled to whats in my pockets. This guy will soak us all for more taxes in order so you can be inspired by your dreams of Socialism.
Than on top of that he’ll bring the troops home in a show of surrendering to our enemies and than gut the Military forcing many of them on to social welfare programs.
Thank you for your socialist dream.
Ken – lighten up! It was sarcasm! And quite humorous!

Posted by: Miles | February 20, 2008, 2:42 pm 2:42 pm

Bernadette,
I was in a meeting, I wasn’t ignoring you. I actually have a background in education and agree that it is not what it should be today in America, especially in the inner cities. And on top of that, it was Wally I believe who ironically commented on Obama’s education not equaling “imcompedent” before you made a non-sensical remark about a PhD in gay animal rights.
To be honest though, I don’t really understand your point. You complain about lack of opportunity and plans that don’t make sense, but you don’t seem to give Obama any chance, when he is the one that is out to change things.
I actually think both he and John McCain would make excellent presidents, but to reduce Obama to empty promises and socialism is overly simplifying things, especially when I would think that he would be the one that would be more likely to fix, or at least getting closer to fixing, a broken system.

Posted by: Ted | February 20, 2008, 2:57 pm 2:57 pm

Before serving in public office Obama was a Constitutional Law Professor, which would be an extra asset for a president. To actually understand the workings of our constitution.
Obama: 8 years experience as Senator in Springfield and 2 years in DC
Main Bills in Springfield: campaign finance reform, health insurance for kids, welfare reform (bipartisan), earned income tax credit (working poor families) and death penatly reform
Chairman of Senate Health and Human Services Committee
Harry Reid desiganted Obama as Democrat point man on ethics because he is known for having extremely highstandards and integrity
In US senate he sponsered about 150 bills and cosponsered about 420. Two bills that became law were co-sponsered by Republicans
Barack Obama knows how to bring the two divided sides together and he also knows how to get people inspired about the political system which is something we haven’t seen in decades.

Posted by: Asher | February 20, 2008, 3:08 pm 3:08 pm

Reid is an idiot..

Posted by: Oscar | February 20, 2008, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm

The Democratic Party is permitting labor unions to dictate American foreign policy in Latin America.
America has spent billions of tax dollars to stabilize Colombia – the second largest Spanish speaking Latino nation in the world.
American unions demand that the Democrats punish Colombia for being pro-American and standing up to Hugo Chavez by rejecting a trade agreement.
They allege that Colombia has not adequately protected trade unionists. The truth is that unionists are protected as much as humanely possible, yet the Democratic Party persists in blocking the trade agreement.
If you think the Democratic Party is pro-Latino, ask them why they are punishing 45 million Latinos in Colombia.

Posted by: Andy | February 20, 2008, 3:16 pm 3:16 pm

Are democrats capable of thinking with their brains? How can you keep falling for the same socialist rhetoric from your candidates every four years. Don’t you get tired of all the promises you know can’t be kept? Why are you so naive and easily fooled? I can’t decide wether to be ###### off at you or feel sorry for you. This country is 95% perfect. Obama wants to fix things that aren’t broken. What an #######

Posted by: Anonymous | February 20, 2008, 3:19 pm 3:19 pm

The country is 95% perfect? That’s an insane statement. It’s a great place to live for sure, but it will never and can never be perfect. We have rampant violent crime issues, unaffordable health care, an complete unequal educational system, massive trade and budget deficits, poverty and illiteracy rates among the highest in the developed world, and half the world hates us because we bully them around. Maybe Obama isn’t the person to address those issues, but to ignore them is just ignorant.

Posted by: Ted | February 20, 2008, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm

Our only hope is to pray that Hillary takes TX,OH and PA.
Then we won’t be stuck with an empty suit or 4 more years of Bush.

Posted by: Charles Wells | February 20, 2008, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm

As the Cat in the Hat said, “Sure, the fish is talking. But is he saying anything?”

Posted by: MinniePearlJam | February 20, 2008, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm

Obama has only dreams with no plan. He’s a nice guy, I’m sure, but nice guys don’t make good presidents. McCain understands terroism and what it takes to fight and win on the battle field. Obama thinks that if we play nice, we won’t be in a battle. Obama wants to play nice (and wish upon a star) which is good news for our enemies. Obama probably thinks we don’t have any real enemies (like Russia, China, N. Korea, etc.) or that we can just talk and work things out. He is so idealistic that it scares me. The hardcore politicians of DC will eat him alive!

Posted by: dianeremarx | February 20, 2008, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm

What a choice…….A totally inexperienced charlatan or a senile Bush groupie.
But wait, there is a better choice. The one who has the experience, the knowledge, speaks of facts, plans, and details. And, she has a proven record, knows how to clean up a Bush mess, knows how to fight the GOP slime machine, and isn’t senile.

Posted by: Charlene | February 20, 2008, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm

I understand that Mr. Obama was instrumental in supporting infanticide (allowing aborted children that lived through the abortion to die by refusing them medical care) in his state when he finally voted for something. Does anyone have more details on this event?

Posted by: Jenny | February 20, 2008, 3:49 pm 3:49 pm

So,to summarize Donna S.’ list of Obama accomplishments. He graduated from college, took a few trips, got on a few committees, and wrote two books. Wow, impressive president credentials!

Posted by: KPRO | February 20, 2008, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm

It is more important to control Congress then who is actually President with the exception of nominating judges. Obama, Clintsone, or McCain will all be the same, but Congress controls the agenda!

Posted by: LaTonya | February 20, 2008, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm

Oh,almost forgot – don’t forget that Obama supports killing babies in the womb.

Posted by: KPRO | February 20, 2008, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm

If Obama becomes President he’ll leave our borders open, he’ll give path to citizenship for millions of illegals, he’ll take us out of Iraq which will strengthen the terroists, he will bail out millions of homeowners who faulted on their loans, he will kill more unborn babies, he’ll create more jobs for construction workers (whaa?), he’ll go into Pakistan to get Osama (whaa?), unemployment will rise, the stock market will crash and our enemies will move in for the kill.

Posted by: dianeremarx | February 20, 2008, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm

I am a 21 year old college IR student in Minnesota and have read this ‘blog’ for the last 30 minutes. I am a liberal, but do not consider myself a democrat. With that said, I am voting whole heartedly for Obama for the reasons no one is mentioning. His education plan is far better than Clinton’s, and any GOP candidate’s is garbage. The war has gone on too long, and the reason we are in this state is because we didn’t start it correctly, instead we went in a hurry and botched it from the beginning. Those are my top 2, but the main thing is for the reason you all criticize him for. Not because he gives good speeches (Which I dont think any of you deny), but because for the first time as a voter I am inspired and believe that MY country can be better than it is. I feel that coming together is better than divide and conquer. Rip me apart all you want to, but like it or not this country will soon belong to my generation and our ideas…. And our views say Obama.

Posted by: Dave | February 20, 2008, 4:01 pm 4:01 pm

And how closed-minded are people to think that the world is going to attack us if we elect a dem…. AL QUEDA WASNT IN IRAQ UNTIL WE INVADED IT!!! SADDAM KILLED TERRORISTS!!!

Posted by: Dave | February 20, 2008, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm

MJW…
Do you have a problem with me calling Obama a socialist? It is the only description other than orator that I applied to him. Read his speeches. They are loaded with socialist references. There’s nothing new here.
My history of Nazi Germany is spot on, including the National Socialist Workers Party that gave us the shorter NAZI name.
Try to take the “messiah” like emotion you get from Obama out of it, and use your brain. Socialism is a bad idea. Have you seen what’s happening to oil rich Venezuela?

Posted by: Rick | February 20, 2008, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm

And you guys are making this too easy today. Abortion? Really? If you want a religion run country go to Iran, which you apparently fear. Here in the U.S.A., abortion is LEGAL! Im actually pro-life, but using it as an argument when it is something found constitutional by OUR government is worthless. Seperation of religion/state. Do some reading before you get righteous on us.

Posted by: Dave | February 20, 2008, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm

I guess I can’t rant enough. McCain did a service to this country I am not strong enough to do. I respect him with all my heart for what he did in Vietnam and no one will argue that. But to say that being a good soldier makes you a good and able politician is crazy. Grant was a general and a President. How did that turn out? (Eisenhower was the man, touche) Just saying military experience doesn’t mean you know how to run a country. It’s not credible experience for the presidency.

Posted by: Dave | February 20, 2008, 4:15 pm 4:15 pm

Come on guys, I need some rebuttal here. This is supposed to be a forum.

Posted by: Dave | February 20, 2008, 4:18 pm 4:18 pm

Well, I guess that’s what happens when you have 20 people on the same side against 1 weak argument. When someone comes up with real info, no one answers. Remember this everyone. The last 8 years have been hell, and no one wants anything like it. Just know why you have your convictions and stick to them for that reason. I will never yell at a conservative if they believe what they preach. Just don’t follow like blind sheep. Everyone in this country has a voice, just make sure you know why you’re speaking.

Posted by: Dave | February 20, 2008, 4:24 pm 4:24 pm

Dave,
I can’t wait….Are you going to try McGovern’s plans again to see if they work this time. The islamo-terrorists will rip your heart out at a moments notice. Also when I was in the Air Force under the Clinton administration your hero called up my unit with 48 hours notice to deploy to Kuwait to cover up the Lewinsky scandel. I dumped everything on my wife and reyurns 8 months later while Clinton continued to get BJs from Monica. Do you think Hillary, Bill , or Obama gave crap about how my wife felt… Answer…No…Remember this quote from a famous Englishman…. If you are under 20 and not a liberal you have no heart and if you are a liberal and over 30 you have no brain!

Posted by: Barney | February 20, 2008, 4:25 pm 4:25 pm

I heard Obama say that he is going to revoke the Bush Tax Cuts for the wealthy and give tax breaks to true working families with household incomes less than $75,000. There it is people. He has classifies anyone making $75,000 or more as wealthy. He wants to turn America into a full fledged Socialistic Country. Combined My wife and I and Our two young Childrem make more than $75,000 and we will be reclassified as wealthy. I don’t feel wealthy. We feel pretty middle class.
If you vote for this man say what you really are, A SOCIALIST.
Democrats are Socialists. Please if there is a Democrat out there convince me that you are not a Socialist. You can’t.
If you make $75,001 do you Democrats feel that is wealthy? Obama Does.

Posted by: Ken | February 20, 2008, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm

O bama is a cult icon………he is a all smoke and mirrors…..talk is cheap…michelle is proud of you remember that …….they are both anti american

Posted by: george | February 20, 2008, 4:28 pm 4:28 pm

What’s Wrong with SOCIALISM?
Look, we have tried capitalism, free enterprise, and the “American Way”. — What has it gotten us — man-made global warming, inefficient automobiles, and illegal immigrants, to name a few.
Let’s give Obama a shot. The fact that he only has about a year of experience weighs in his favor, not against it.
This is AMERICA — We need to open our borders and let anyone in wants wants to be a part of America. That would certainly reduce the amount of illegals, correct? If potential terrorists came in, they would see what freedom is all about and would not bomb us.
There SHOULD be a law against driving anything larger than a 4-cylinder engine. It wastes gas! And people who drive 6-cylinders and 8-cylinders should have pay penalties for their wast of our resources.
And on that topic, I would pay $5.00 a gallon if the extra money was going to be put to use in Medicaire or Welfare. (It’s called helping your fellow man!)
We SHOULD be happy to give another 20 cents of our hard-earned dollars to support entitlement programs (you have something against the poor?), and we should extend unemployment benefits indefinitely to help those who say they can’t work.
We should force all companies to hire according to racial demographics in their communities. There are lots of intelligent people out there, but if production dropped in any way, then it’s a non-issue becasue all companies are in the same boat.
We should have nationlized healthcare for everyone, including non-citizens (you think they don’t have pain when they get hurt working in America?)
I would be willing to wait a few more hours or days to see my physician, if that’s what it takes (it works in England and Canada, why not here?)
And anyone with a large carbon footprint, say, over $150.00 a month utility bills, should be made to pay a penalty so we can provide heating for the poor.
I say you people are overlooking the benefits of socialism. I say a VOTE for BARACK OBAMA is a vote for CHANGE from to Socialism.

Posted by: Karl | February 20, 2008, 4:29 pm 4:29 pm

I respect you Barney for serving, but to say that only Dems did that is bogus. How did my friends dad feel when he was at the airport 2 Christmases ago ready to come home when Bush sent him back to the lines. Don’t push that one side crap on me, or anyone for that matter. Yes. The Clinton scandal was bogus, but to remember him for getting a bj instead of bringing our country out of debt and Middle-Eastern peace is wrong. And please read above. Apparently I have no heart or brain. Im 21. I guess I just have a soul

Posted by: Dave | February 20, 2008, 4:30 pm 4:30 pm

Dave,
Your opinion will cahnge when you are married with two kids. I feel sorry for you…good luck with your future if you have any.

Posted by: Barney | February 20, 2008, 4:34 pm 4:34 pm

Dave,
Your soul cannot pay your bills.

Posted by: Jim | February 20, 2008, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm

And now we are going for the socialism thing again. Good call. COME ON! He’s not a bloody socialist, and to say he wants programs that the rest of the world has (Sorry, only the developed world) is rediculous. And this show how ignorant people can be. Do you know what his ‘universal healthcare’ is? He will make it available to those who don’t have it or want it. I live in ROCHESTER MN!!! For most of you who dont know anything but your backyard, it’s the home of the Mayo Clinic. I recieve top notch medical care because my mother is a nurse. Under his plan, nothing changes for me, unless I ask for it to change. Under Clinton’s plan, I would have to pay a fine for not taking he universal healthcare. Like I said before, I’m not a democrat, but it wanting healthcare to be MADE AVAILABLE to people who need it makes me a socialist, then I guess Im officially changing my name to Marx. (And yes, my parents will take bigger income taxes and they both animately support Obama.)

Posted by: Dave | February 20, 2008, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm

“Have you been ignoring what’s gone on the past 7 years? The Bush Administration and complicit Republicans like McCain have spent this country into the ground. And where are we? An endless war, an increasing debt, and annual deficits growing the debt.
It amazes me that Republicans have the audacity to still claim fiscal responsibility. You lost that mantle based on your performance over the past 7 years.
This country needs fiscal responsibility which it had under Clinton and Bush I. Obama and Clinton promise fiscal reponsibility while McCain self-admittedly doesn’t understand economics. Nuff said.
WE CANNOT AFFORD ANOTHER PRESIDENT WHO DOES NOT UNDERSTAND ECONOMICS.”
I didn’t lose any mantle based on my performance in D.C. The idiots in Washington let us down. They are more concerned about how to do more to serve themselves than the people who voted them into office in the first place. Believe me buddy, on what my family makes, we HAVE to be fiscally responsible. And I never claimed that Republicans have been fiscally responsible. Every member of the Senate and Congress are guilty of spending tax dollars as if it grows on cherry trees. Actually, the Democrats have held the majority in the Senate for how many years now? and the House just began it’s second dismal year of command. Neither party deserves a cookie for being fiscal responsible.
And while I agree we cannot afford a president who doesn’t understand economics, I cannot afford to bail the country out of debt. I’m barely bailing out my own family, not to mention the unemployed, yet-fully-capable-of-employment welfare family down the street with a brand new Escalade in the drive next to the mailbox that always has a chunk of my money in it at the first of the month. I promise…I’m not alone with this line of thinking. Yet Hilary and Obama are truly committed to making me bend over just a little bit more b/c they haven’t had nearly enough of my blood sweat and tears. To call them fiscally responsible is just sad. But if you wanna go ahead and call them socialists, go for it.
Two major monkeywrenches in our economy that everyone seems to forget: 9/11 and Katrina. Those two events alone count for an exorbitant amount of spending. Not saying we should give the government a pass for their spending on these two things, just saying we should keep the unfortunate tragedies in mind when we’re thinking economy. They crippled us for a time.
Clinton and Bush 41 were great fiscally, but I firmly believe Katrina and 9/11 would have had them scrambling, too.

Posted by: Not Wealthy | February 20, 2008, 4:38 pm 4:38 pm

Karl,
Your Sarcastic humor makes its point. This is the Obama America brought to you in technicolor by Karl.
Socialism at its finest.
Is there a Democrat out there that can tell me why a family household making more than $75,000 is wealthy.
Obama believes it.

Posted by: Ken | February 20, 2008, 4:38 pm 4:38 pm

Keep your socialistic MN ideas in MN then and let the rest of us persue our dreams.

Posted by: Jim | February 20, 2008, 4:38 pm 4:38 pm

OK Barney. You need to do your part.
We need to re-distribute wealth like Hillary and Barack suggest. Taking money from someone for the purpose of giving to others is the only way a country can work.
In fact, I make less than $75,000, so you need to give me some. Who do you think you are to keep all of your $75,000? It is beyond me how you think the government should not be entitled to as much of your money as it wants. And don’t worry about your kids. The government will take care of them better than you. Just give them the money. Your life will be worry free: free healthcare, free food, subsidized housing, subsidized public transportation, etc.
In short, I agree with you. Democrats are Socialists, creeping toward communism.

Posted by: SME | February 20, 2008, 4:39 pm 4:39 pm

I suggest you try living in a socialist country for awhile before wholeheartedly embracing something you have not experienced!

Posted by: Miles | February 20, 2008, 4:39 pm 4:39 pm

HA!! Barney, good call. I’m glad I have no future. I do not have a wife and kids, and I want to be a teacher. Thus, I will make no money but love what I do. I could care less how much I make because your pocketbook shouldn’t be the #1 thing in your life. And guess what else… I’ve been working since I was 15. I’m paying my way through school, and by working hard I got the grades for scholarships. I want a family and someday may see things somewhat the way you do.. I use somewhat very loosely there. Like I said, you know why you are voting the way you do so God Bless. Don’t try to tell I have no future, because I sure as hell know why I’m writing here today.

Posted by: Dave | February 20, 2008, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm

Barney,
You seem to be mad at the government for a lot of reasons. Im sorry for that, but once again we come down to the basic argument. You are unhappy, and I’m unhappy. We spent the last 8 years (7 technically) under a terrible administration and we want change. Im not saying Obama change, I just mean we need something different from what we have had to endure as citizens. We agree to disagree and that’s fine. But I still believe that this country can rise up and be better than it is. ‘You lose hope, you lose everything.’ -Winston Churchill

Posted by: Dave | February 20, 2008, 4:50 pm 4:50 pm

If Obama is eloquent but empty, then McCain must be dull and full of it.

Posted by: John Strekal | February 20, 2008, 4:50 pm 4:50 pm

Obama = Carter
(With less experience, education and international knowledge – Believe it or not!!.)
Remember the Carter years? Double Digit inflation, Double digit interest (mortgage) rates, gas lines…..
Here we come! Thanks Obama supporters!

Posted by: Ster | February 20, 2008, 4:55 pm 4:55 pm

Is it just me or is the theme of Obama’s speeches always the same? Hope and change. I believe the Clintons said the same thing when Bill Clinton was running for President.
As for the Democrats in the Legislative Branch you have had plenty of time to change things. Remember the Congress controls the purse strings not the President.
As for Obama’s thinking, he is a Marxist, Socialist. Neither one of these systems works. Perfect example the former Soviet Union collapsed because of it. The system does not work. I admit Capitalism has its problems, it out lasted Communism.
As for being proud to be an American there is hundreds of reason to be proud. In what other country in the world can a person like me with only a High School education become successful, have a great paying job in the six digit figure, and have running water, reliable electricity. The United States is always the first to help other countries when natural disasters happen remember the Tsunami, the USS Abraham Lincoln Battle group was the first on scene to render aid. Remember WWII we liberated multiple continents and provided aid to them to rebuild and on top of it we did not keep any land. Senator Obama reminds me of the song “Candy man”. Be proud you live in a country where you can express your views and not be tossed in jail. Be proud you can vote and not have the election rigged such as in Russia or other countries. Hope did not get me where I am today it was self determination, hard work, motivation and taking pride in myself and country. I am living the American dream because I worked hard for it; nothing was given to me, no government hand outs.
As for the liberals on the left I would suggest you stop using your heart and feelings to vote with and research the issues on the candidates. If you want to live in a socialistic state I suggest you go and move to Russia, they already have socialized medicine and state run media. Think before you vote.

Posted by: Paul W | February 20, 2008, 4:56 pm 4:56 pm

And no, I do not consider people with over 75,000 wealthy. But at the same time do you know what is considered the poverty level? I feel that people who make that much money can afford higher taxes than people who make less obviously. And Bush tax cuts for the wealthy are meant to help the uber rich. Reaganomics didn’t work in the 80, ohhhhhh. It didn’t work this time either.

Posted by: Dave | February 20, 2008, 4:58 pm 4:58 pm

I’m looking to where I said you were clueless…….. Just had to double check. And as far as the Dem controlled congress goes, you are so right. It took him a whole 5 years to give his first presidential veto. Im sure it had nothing to do with how smoothly HIS congress was getting HIS agendas taken care of. Or was that Halleburton’s agendas? Its foggy to me too.

Posted by: Dave | February 20, 2008, 5:02 pm 5:02 pm

Dave,
Obama and his wife made over $1M last year. Why have they not paid 75% in taxes to pay their fair share for the children. I would say that is greedy of then wanting to keep their money?

Posted by: Freddy | February 20, 2008, 5:03 pm 5:03 pm

And this is where I will bow out. I respected Barney because he said how he felt with facts, not the same ol GOP tactics of making claims with nothing to back any of them up. I want to leave anonymous messages that say 2 sentences and then pat myself on the back. Read up guys. I made my points and I stand by them. Have fun standing next to your ‘proclamations’ that have no bearing other than apparently attacking my character (GOP strategy to people they don’t even know). Maybe Ill come back when one of you adds something to the conversation that isn’t…… Mind paying my taxes? Read my earlier blogs all. Economics isn’t the most important issue in this election, its education and getting our troops home. And if you want to make economics the most important, you have the last 7 GOP years to think over. God bless, and stay warm. It’s cold up here in the boundary waters apparently….(Rochester is 20 min from the iowa border. Look at a map before you open your mouth).

Posted by: Dave | February 20, 2008, 5:07 pm 5:07 pm

Bye Dave, God bless you and grant you wisdom.

Posted by: Miles | February 20, 2008, 5:10 pm 5:10 pm

I’m curious.
What has John McCain accomplished during the past 7 years in the Senate?

Posted by: Bridget W. | February 20, 2008, 5:12 pm 5:12 pm

Dave,
I am not a Republican and I live in Canada. Don’t make the same mistakes we did up north.

Posted by: Mike | February 20, 2008, 5:12 pm 5:12 pm

Education is one of the big issues of this election cycle? Really?
My public education was terrible, but I don’t blame NCLB policy. I blame it on the apathetic teachers I had, who had found an easy job at which they could waste their lives away. They probably had enough time on their hands to post a string of blogs all day…

Posted by: SME | February 20, 2008, 5:13 pm 5:13 pm

change…blah, blah, blah, blah…change…blah, blah, blah, change…blah, blah, blah
No one knows what he means, but it will hypnotize quite a few Americans.
Hope…blah….change…blah…change….blah.

Posted by: steve | February 20, 2008, 5:14 pm 5:14 pm

So where’s the “change” with Obama? While people like to point to McCain’s association with Bush, they conveniently leave out Obama’s history with the Congress that has an even lower rating than Bush! And BO has the highest rating as a liberal there. And the gripe with Congress is that they get nothing done but spend lots of money doing it!!! So again, where’s the “change”. And where’s the “hope”…for such a possible leader who favors infanticide?? Bottom line….where’s the conscience?….that’s the most important these days.

Posted by: Sis | February 20, 2008, 5:15 pm 5:15 pm

Bridget, as an Arizonan, I can tell you what McCain hasn’t accomplished in the Senate in the last 7 years: bringing wasteful pork barrel spending projects back to his home state.

Posted by: Steve | February 20, 2008, 5:16 pm 5:16 pm

Complaining about saying change to often as opposed to Rudy and Bush Iraq, 9/11, Iraq, 9/11, Iraq, 9/11…
Then McCain criticizing Obama for saying he would attack al qaeda inside Pakistan. Sounds like McCain is soft on al qaeda.

Posted by: Jakob2008 | February 20, 2008, 5:22 pm 5:22 pm

Wow, you guys are dumb. Dave, Im with you 100% If you read his stuff he was for Obama not Hillary, and it’s true not one of you gave numbers, you just bitched and attacked and pointed fingers. And SME, why do you think most teachers aren’t enthusiastic about their jobs? If teachers could make 50,000+ do you think that might attract people who would be a bussiness administrator or something? Bad pay pushes away a lot of people that would be amazing teachers. Everyone has bad teachers and good. The system is what needs to be fixed.

Posted by: Keith | February 20, 2008, 5:24 pm 5:24 pm

Jakob2008,
Should we also attack Al Queda in Saudi Arabia, Kosovo, The Phillipines, Iran, Somalia, Chad, The Sudan……Why not turn it in a global war…Oh never mind Bush has already declared this.

Posted by: Bobby | February 20, 2008, 5:27 pm 5:27 pm

Obama may be an empty suit, but he has plenty of tax increased up his sleeve.

Posted by: Crusader | February 20, 2008, 5:27 pm 5:27 pm

Look, I dont’ know what all the discussion is about, it’s very simple. There are two choices going forward. 1) Hillary Clinton, but if she becomes no longer viable, then 2) John McCain. As a Democrat I can live with McCain, because he is a known quantity, as is Hillary. Voting for Obama would be like giving a total unknown a blank check with my signature on it. Not gonna do it.

Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | February 20, 2008, 5:27 pm 5:27 pm

Does anyone know how many troops the US has stationed in Japan, one of our foremoest trading partners and allies? If you guessed 40,000, you are right. I just found this out today.
Recently, some of the troops there have been involved in scandals involving rape, molestation, and drunk driving. Does anyone else think the US shouldn’t have troops over there for the potential for foreign relations problem and the massive expense of maintaining bases and troops abroad in completely non-warring countries?
Thoughts?

Posted by: SME | February 20, 2008, 5:28 pm 5:28 pm

My thought is this. I find it amusing that Republicans complain Democrats will cut military spending, but doesnt cutting military spending solve things like this? Just because the money gets to the program doesnt mean its going to good use. Look at our armorless troops in Iraq and apparently our 40,000 troops in ‘dangerous’ Japan.

Posted by: Keith | February 20, 2008, 5:31 pm 5:31 pm

You guys keep proving his point. You just yell and make fun, you dont add any numbers or facts to the conversation.

Posted by: Keith | February 20, 2008, 5:33 pm 5:33 pm

I agree we should reduce troops in stable areas like Japan, Germany and oerhaps Korea and redirect to fight terrorism.

Posted by: Mike | February 20, 2008, 5:33 pm 5:33 pm

Oh, and don’t forget, McCain’s policies are moderate enough for the Democrats that he was offered the opportunity to run as VP on the Dem ticket four years ago. Please note, as a Democrat, I also do not believe in pork barrel waste, only good public policy.

Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | February 20, 2008, 5:33 pm 5:33 pm

Amen Mike

Posted by: Keith | February 20, 2008, 5:34 pm 5:34 pm

Keith,
I agree the system needs to be fixed. I think teacher’s unions need to have less power; I also think teaching isn’t something that people should do their entire lives. There is very little correlation with effectiveness of the teacher and amount of time as a teacher. The only difference between an experienced teacher and a new teacher is the amount of pay the teacher’s unions demand each of them to be paid. They effectively do the same job.
Also, I have heard that there is a shortage of teachers, but ask anyone looking for a teaching job. It is really difficult for very qualified people to find a teaching job. I had a friend who was one of 350 candidates for a junior high teaching job at an average public school. Moreover, the availability of teachers willing to work at the prevailing rates is what permits the teaching salaries to stay “low.”
Why would you want to raise salaries if there is already an overabundance of people willing to work at that price? It’s nonsensical.

Posted by: SME | February 20, 2008, 5:40 pm 5:40 pm

You make really good points, and I agree to an extent that it’s something that you shouldn’t do your whole life. But to say that your friend applied for a job accepting one out of 350 people is not as accurate as it sounds. There are teacher shortages in many places in the country, especially Texas and the SW. Places like New England, the Midwest, and parts of California are the ideal places to teach, so many people will apply to those jobs, including people who are already employed as teachers. I do think however that it is a high burnout job and it’s tough to stay motivated for too long. Im just saying hight wages with stricter regulations on tenure and unions would make better environments. I would also say that the teacher who makes more might also have a masters+ making them more qualified.

Posted by: Keith | February 20, 2008, 5:46 pm 5:46 pm

There was a person a long time ago that ran for president after only one term as a senator. They all said he was inexperienced and all talk, an empty suit and elloquent speaker. His name, Abraham Lincoln.
Abraham Lincoln went on the be one of be greatest persidents in our history. He was an natural born leader and he spoke to the people and gave them hope.
That is what Obama does he gives people hope. He started this campaign with nothing and look at where he is now. He got to where he is because he is a natural born leader, and he created a great orginization all accross the country.
This country can’t take 8 more years of the Republican party in the white house. They made a huge mess and Obama is the man to bring people together and clean up Washington.
Just tell me what you need Barak and I will do the best I can

Posted by: military in utah | February 20, 2008, 5:54 pm 5:54 pm

Very sensible Keith. I didn’t know that the SW was where the teacher shortages were.
But I think your mindset is wrong. Rewarding teachers for having their masters is almost ludicrous, unless that teacher is doing advanced research and/or publishing. I don’t even think teachers need to necessarily have an undergraduate degree. Almost any high school graduate, with a little time to freshen up on the material, could understand teach math classes to anyone below the seventh grade. Math is just an example. Other subjects would work just as well.
To reward a third-grade English teaching for having a masters in creative writing is ludicrous. The purpose of public education is not to have a staff of individuals who have advanced degrees; it is to effectively communicate the subject material. Yet, third-grade teachers are rewarded with extra pay for advanced degrees. They are no better at teaching the material. And even assuming they are slightly better, they certainly don’t justify their pay increase.

Posted by: SME | February 20, 2008, 6:03 pm 6:03 pm

John Fitzgerald Kennedy
George Herbert Walker Bush
Wm Jefferson Clinton
Barrack Hussein Obama
Can we have a president with that name?
No – Never

Posted by: Dale | February 20, 2008, 6:12 pm 6:12 pm

I agree with Michele Obama. I hate America and the Capitalist system it promotes. We need Socialism, we need Obama.

Posted by: dlbizzz | February 20, 2008, 6:12 pm 6:12 pm

All that is small potatoes.
Google “Freedom’s Enemies, Barack Hussein Obama”, by Beckwith
Find out the REAL reasons we need to keep Obama out of the White House

Posted by: Edward Wilson | February 20, 2008, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm

the more I find out the less I see the next president of the united states

Posted by: Bookem Dano | February 20, 2008, 6:40 pm 6:40 pm

You right-wingers call McCain a sell-out. You left-wingers portray him as a third term for George Bush. You both just solidify my support for John McCain.
McCain can reach across the aisle to get things done. That’s why both sides hate him.
The McCain/Feingold Bipartisan Campaign Act of 2001 –
Kennedy-McCain Immigration Bill
While the right and left talk endlessly about immigration reform, McCain has a real plan. Secure our borders first – then we’ll work in a bi-partisan effort to find the best plan on what to do with the illegals already here.
25 yrs of highlighting wasteful government spending and government corruption.
Benchmark Iraq proposal with increased congressional oversight.
Exceptional military experience.
Now what were Obama’s accomplishments again?

Posted by: Erik from Montana | February 20, 2008, 6:42 pm 6:42 pm

Please don’t trust this random chump with the keys to the nukes. McCain has proven himself true to this country. I trust his judgment over “rainbows and unicorns” any day.

Posted by: Bookem Dano | February 20, 2008, 6:50 pm 6:50 pm

Obama is a Collectivist all of the time.
McCain is a Collectivist most of the time.
I am neither.
I don’t expect any better than this biased tripe from the Collectivists in the media.
I will vote for the lesser of the evils.

Posted by: Jim | February 20, 2008, 6:51 pm 6:51 pm

Michelle Obama: “We need a leader who can touch our souls.”
No thanks. We need a leader who will kick some terrorist ass.

Posted by: Bookem Dano | February 20, 2008, 6:52 pm 6:52 pm

Obama offers “change”, but socialism is never a good change for any country. McCain nearly died for this country to preserve out freedoms as a POW, that’s enough for me.

Posted by: WessO | February 20, 2008, 7:19 pm 7:19 pm

I like McCain. I am disappointed he is using Clinton tactics. Tell us about your accomplishments, not the negatives of your opponent.

Posted by: Patrick | February 20, 2008, 7:20 pm 7:20 pm

>why doesn’t anyone remember history…NO President runs the country alone. they are all puppits of congress/senate.

Posted by: david b | February 20, 2008, 7:32 pm 7:32 pm

How can Obama expect change when all of his future advisors would all be ex-clinton political hacks?

Posted by: annoymous | February 20, 2008, 7:54 pm 7:54 pm

Obama wins America loses especially the liberals…….he will destroy liberalism is 4 years so that they will never crawl back from the ash heap…

Posted by: george | February 20, 2008, 8:03 pm 8:03 pm

when is the last time 2 lawyer’s in white house …..or 4….hill bill al…??? vote for hillary she is lesser of 2 jokes

Posted by: george | February 20, 2008, 8:19 pm 8:19 pm

Dave101:
You are mistaken to think we need troops all over the world.
What do you think would happen if we took troops out of Japan? Do you think China would take over Japan–one of its main trading partners and allies? Do you not think the world community would not speak out and rise up against a takeover of Japan? I would like for you to explain the doomsday scenario that would occur if we didn’t have over 100,000 military personnel stationed in Asia. S. Korea would be able to take care of itself. China has so many ties to the U.S. and other countries it isn’t going to do anything stupid.
And nobody minds our way of life, so much as they mind our intrusive foreign policy. Let’s not beat down the rest of the world by policing it, but let’s change it through trade, dialog, and respect for other country’s sovereignties.

Posted by: SME | February 20, 2008, 11:48 pm 11:48 pm

China still maintains the military strategy that Deng Xiaoping followed which was and still is, “Observe calmly; secure our position; cope with affairs calmly; hide our capabilities and bide our time.” Interpret as you wish.

Posted by: Dave101 | February 21, 2008, 1:52 am 1:52 am

Eloquent but empty. Typical. I guess he has to say something to be on television. Obama is a man. McCain is a man. Obama wears a suit. McCain wears a suit. They put their pants on one leg at a time. They are both in politics. I’m sure there are things that are not right on both sides. In other words, they are just men. Imperfect. Obama is real. He isn’t childish, like so many of the other candidates. What makes McCain think that Obama is so much slower than he is? Really. Obama must be for change, because he isn’t stooping as low and taking swipes at Mr. & Mrs. McCain. (if he does so after they mention something about him, he has the right to say something back) Maybe we’ll see a little class in the White House this time around. Nothing against elderly people, which by the way, most aren’t trying to be President of the U.S. That’s a major task. Most of the time men McCain’s age are rarely hired for jobs like the White House. They are usually greeters at Walmart. I’m not trying to be rude, but it’s true. I hear people his age complaining all the time about that issue. Many people McCain’s age are worried about when their driver’s license will be taken away. They aren’t running countries, not like the U.S. You mean to tell me even Castro has more sense to know when to step down than McCain? Hmm. Then there’s the business about his health. He’s walking around now, but come on, things even happen with people that are younger than McCain. The U.S. needs a president with energy, spunk, fire, passion, and experience. Someone even other countries around the world are enthusiastic about meeting. Obama fits the bill. I don’t know why everyone keeps saying he’s done nothing. If that’s the case, maybe I should be a senator? Maybe a guy at McDonald’s hasn’t done anything, but as for Obama, he’s made it beyond the mark most men will even go in life, so he’s worthy. Presidents don’t do every single thing by themselves, regardless of this fantasy most people have of a single man making all the rules, etc. by himself. It doesn’t work that way. There is a system of checks and balances set up for this reason. There are advisors, aides, staff, a Vice President, etc. Bottom line… McCain is simply a man. Obama is simply a man. Nothing more, nothing less. McCain is not head and shoulders above Obama. McCain saying Obama is eloquent but empty, just makes him (McCain) sound eloquent and empty. Shame on McCain for even thinking about keeping people’s husbands, wives, sons, daughters, neices, nephews, etc. in Iraq. They are doing their duty. But they are Americans. They’d like to live in their own country for a while. Be here to defend it. After all, they are Americans.

Posted by: A.A. | February 23, 2008, 5:14 pm 5:14 pm

Why would Mrs. Obama leave the country? I’m certain if we dig through her family tree, she’s certain to have some Native American blood in her. Careful about asking the natives to leave? Wherever would she go? Just be glad that none of the natives have asked you to leave. They’ve let everyone’s voices be heard but their own. Of course, the minute someone voices an opinion, which by the way, what Michelle Obama said wasn’t even bad, “Americans” are all over her. And to think we are actually in America, and people are on her like snapping rabid dogs, just for being an American and voicing an opinion in her own home! Amazing. Socialist!!

Posted by: WhyLeave? | February 23, 2008, 5:23 pm 5:23 pm

Probably the best line McCain will ever have against Obama, recognizing the novelty effect of his candidacy which rightfully, draws large crowds like a freak in a side show circus.
The Democratic Party will apparently stoop to anything to win no matter how harmful it may be to America.

Posted by: Pat | March 9, 2008, 12:12 am 12:12 am

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