New Pro-Clinton 527 to Ding Obama in Ohio
ABC News has learned that a group of Democratic politicos have set up a new independent 527 organization called the American Leadership Project (ALP) with the express purpose of helping Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, beat Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, in Ohio, and possibly Texas and Pennsylvania as well.
Free from campaign finance rules, ALP will not be legally permitted to coordinate with the Clinton campaign, but it is clearly intended to help her.
The group is targeting through TV ads, mail, and phone communications white women under 50 in the Ohio area — specifically Cleveland, Columbus, Youngstown, Charleston (WV), Wheeling- Steubenville, Zanesville, and Parkersburg (WV).
White men will also be a focus, and if there are any excess funds Latinos in Texas and middle class families in Pennsylvania will also be targeted.
ALP has developed three ads aimed at pushing the idea that Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, is a talker and not a doer — the ads are called “If speeches could solve problems" — and they will contrast Obama and Clinton on issues of importance to middle class voters, such as the economy, health care, and the mortgage crisis.
"Our purpose is to encourage audiences to look beyond the campaign speeches and political rhetoric to specific proposals to address these core issues," says an ALP mission statement obtained by ABC News.
The plan right now is for the TV ads to never actually mention Obama — rather, the statements about rhetoric vs. reality will go after him through implication, the contrast between Clinton and Obama already being so well-known.
Marc Ambinder of The Atlantic this morning first reported that a pro-Clinton 527 had been set up. Per Ambinder, the group is "canvassing Clinton donors for pledges of up to $100,000 in the hope of raising at least $10M by the end of next week…A Democrat who was briefed on the project said that Pennsylvania attorney William A. K. Titelman is leading the effort to solicit money. Titleman, who raised money for Gov. Bill Richardson’s presidential campaign, has not contributed money to Clinton. He did not respond to an e-mail seeking comment…A Clinton spokesman said he knew nothing about the 527."
ALP is being run by the following people:
Jason Kinney, of California Strategies, LLC, a former senior communications advisor and chief speechwriter to former California Governor Gray Davis;
Mattis Goldman of SeaChange Media, a former ad maker for Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, Sen. Sherrod Brown, D-Ohio, and Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee Rep. Chris Van Hollen, D-Maryland, who works for . (Samples of Goldman’s ads can be seen HERE).
Erick Mullen, a political consultant with lots of Capitol Hill experience who has worked for the presidential campaigns of Gen. Wesley Clark (Ret.) in 2004 and former Sen. Bill Bradley, D-NJ, in 2000, as well as the successful 1998 Senate run of Chuck Schumer. (Mullen’s website is HERE).
Paul Rivera, founder of Britton Marcy, LLC, senior political adviser for the 2004 Kerry-Edwards campaign, and a Clinton- Gore White House advance staffer from 1994 through 1999.
Roger Salazar of Acosta|Salazar LLC, who worked in the Clinton White House from 1994-1999 as assistant press secretary, national spokesman for then-Sen. John Edwards’ 2004 presidential race, national spokesman and deputy press secretary the 2000 presidential campaign of Al Gore, and press secretary for Gov. Davis’ successful re-election.
The law firm representing the group is Remcho, Johansen & Purcell, LLC. Accounting and bookkeeping is being handled by Nancy Warren of the San Francisco-based Warren & Associates LLC.
- jpt
NOTE: Some minor tweaks in diction to this post were made for accuracy about the actual ads. And the sentence about the ads not mentioning Obama by name was added.
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Posted by: daddyblue | February 20, 2008, 9:44 am 9:44 am
Why would Mrs Clinton accept donations from a slanderous organization? If she does, then I have lost total respect for her.
Posted by: RW | February 20, 2008, 9:46 am 9:46 am
10 in a ROW! I wonder how many more people are going to waste their money on this failed candidacy.
Posted by: Tom | February 20, 2008, 9:49 am 9:49 am
Go, Hillary Go. I still have faith in you. If you lose, run as independents.
Posted by: Hard | February 20, 2008, 9:52 am 9:52 am
Here comes the Larry Sinclair issue about the Obama campaign.
Posted by: Mike | February 20, 2008, 9:52 am 9:52 am
And so in the face of the growing likelihood of defeat, HRC and her some of her supporters would rather make a last-ditch effort to tear Obama down rather than adhere to any sense of minimizing/repairing the divide in the Democratic party going in to the convention. But hey, it’s never just been about HRC or “The Clintons,” has it?
Posted by: Eyzwidopn | February 20, 2008, 9:53 am 9:53 am
Hillary Clinton’s “35 years of experience” has done nothing to stop Obama from outfoxing, outthinking, and out-financing her campaign. Talk about stale. We hear the same old phrases in a shrill screaming voice. Then she cries plagiarism while at the same time screaming out, “Yes We Will” to a stunned and almost silent crowd.
She will do or say anything to win, but after Texas, she will be toast. She can return to the Senate where she has accomplished NOTHING.
Posted by: Candid Blogger | February 20, 2008, 9:55 am 9:55 am
Sooo… their point is that great orators make poor presidents? As in Lincoln, Kennedy, et al? Speeches are what politicians DO- duh! Who’s the moron running her campaign over there? No wonder this Obama’s eating her lunch.
Posted by: Mr. Cloud | February 20, 2008, 9:56 am 9:56 am
Yeah Hillary! Slander Obama! Destroy the party in the name of your own selfish pride and make sure that a Republican is in the White House again in 2009! Way to go!
Posted by: Sean | February 20, 2008, 9:58 am 9:58 am
Mike – Sorry. I know you keep trying with that but hey, keep banging your head against that wall and maybe you’ll knock that cynicism/anger loose.
Posted by: Eyzwidopn | February 20, 2008, 9:59 am 9:59 am
Can we say ‘swiftboat’? If negative ads and nasty tricks win the battle for Hillary, it will cause her to lose the war and damage the Democratic Party. They must be using the Karl Rove playbook and this is what people are so sick of. I have to run now and contribute to Obama’s campaign.
Posted by: Lee | February 20, 2008, 9:59 am 9:59 am
Go Obama!
Posted by: hawkrew | February 20, 2008, 10:00 am 10:00 am
Good for them! They can expose Obama for the fraud that he is. See that is the difference between her and Obama, she has a loyal following not some cult type worshipping thing going on.
Posted by: J | February 20, 2008, 10:01 am 10:01 am
This looks like advanced racism to me!
Posted by: NVMojo | February 20, 2008, 10:01 am 10:01 am
#1. Hillary did not put out the Obama/Patrick plagiarism—-McCain did.
#2. 527s have nothing to do with a specific campaign–look at them as independents or republicans voting in democrat primaries
#3. Hillary will win–
Posted by: ken | February 20, 2008, 10:02 am 10:02 am
yep, this is the new argument here. Obama supporters are some sort of crazy cult who worship him like sheep. not so. just because we are younger, statistically more educated, and passionate doesn’t make us a ‘cult’
Posted by: Sean | February 20, 2008, 10:03 am 10:03 am
This is really OUTRAGEOUS!!!! For someone who suppose to have so much integrity and fairness about themselves (Hillary Clinton) to launch such heinous attacks and to go so low to try to steal pledged delegates and so many other things that haven’t even come out yet.
I use to respect her. But, in the last two weeks, I’ve bordered on dispising her for stooping soooo low. Does the Presidency mean THAT much to her???? My God, what has she become. Her head is bigger than her body (really inflated). It really kills her to lose. I say SUCK IT UP AND move on!!!!! You can’t change what the people has voted for. Hillary and Bill Clinton is a disgrace to this system.
I really thought highly of both of them.
My it’s amazing what the lost of (power) can do to some people.
Posted by: DW | February 20, 2008, 10:04 am 10:04 am
This makes me sick.
Go and finish this…win Obama.
Posted by: Ryan McNeel | February 20, 2008, 10:05 am 10:05 am
I’m an old white woman supporting Obama because I know leadership and judgement is what you need from a president. You can hire the policy wonks and the Generals. But I have to say I am turned off by the Clintons more everyday and this 527 idea is so “swift boat” as well as all of the other republican rovian tatics. Turn the page!
Posted by: Pat in Virginia | February 20, 2008, 10:05 am 10:05 am
When Clinton thought she was “inevtiable”, she decried these tactics and threw heaping criticims on the GOP groups who ran them against kerry. What a hypochrite! I think the voters who see these will remember teh mean vindicate Hillary and she will inflict more damage upon herself.
She should publically ask 527 groups to run postive messages and not negative. But she will not. The Clitonistas will try every dirty trick and change the rules after agreeing to them.
The 527 group and Clinton are doing more to drive voters to McCain and to other GOP candidates. But she does not care….what ever it takes for her to get what she wants. Mama knows best, she thinks.
Posted by: scott jeffries | February 20, 2008, 10:06 am 10:06 am
Wow. Way to go Hillary. This just makes you look pathetic and like a sore-loser…….very “presidential.”
Posted by: Charity | February 20, 2008, 10:06 am 10:06 am
Why isn’t Obama confronting the Larry Sinclair Issue! I want A Democrat in the White House! Can’t Bear to think of a Rebublican there again… Bill Clinton had to confront the Jennifer Flowers Allegations! We Can’t have this come out in the 9th. hour and ruin our chances! PLEASE Confront this Issue and get it out in the open and Destroy It!
Posted by: Democracy at its Best | February 20, 2008, 10:08 am 10:08 am
scott jeffries: exactly. she needs to stand up against this type of group running negative attack ads for her or encourage them to stay positive.
she’s willing to tear the party to shreds for her own foolish pride and it’s sickening
Posted by: Sean | February 20, 2008, 10:09 am 10:09 am
All of the elected officials, listed as being a part of this group, should be voted out of office. Let the change begin!
Hillary, you just don’t get it do you? We are tired of this type of candidate. You need to immediately denounce groups like this and do everything you can to stop them.
Posted by: Robert | February 20, 2008, 10:09 am 10:09 am
“SEAN”
You young whippersnappers are what is finally going to destroy this country.
I don’t want to hear anyone cry about how “we” screwed up again 18 months into his Presidency. (If the Republicans don’t chew him up and spit him out).
You will all find out he is a fake, a fraud and steals other people’s ideas.
Posted by: J | February 20, 2008, 10:09 am 10:09 am
What’s wrong with an organization supporting a candidate they believe in?It is no worse than the move on .org that endorses Obama.Furthermore instead of getting caught up in the rhetoric I wish people would truly stand back and look at the issues and who could deliver solutions,change for the sake of change is foolish.No candidate can deliver without the support of the oposition.I understand people being frustrated with the 8 years of Bush and his policies of deceit,but moving to the far left is not change for the better.You may think a woman in the white house is a weakness but Hillary has shown she has the toughness and moral courage to stand by her convictions,here is a woman who can “walk the talk”
Posted by: webb armstrong | February 20, 2008, 10:09 am 10:09 am
Sooo… their point is that great orators make poor presidents? As in Lincoln, Kennedy, et al? Speeches are what politicians DO- duh!
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Yeah buddy… but those orators words were their own! Not plagierized.
Posted by: Steve - Dallas | February 20, 2008, 10:10 am 10:10 am
Hard, you are right. Joe Lieberman was able to win after he ran as an independent. Why should Hillary not give it a try? There are still so many democrats who support the Iraq war. If Hillary does not run as an independent, they will have to vote for John McCain, which is worse for the Democratic Party.
Posted by: 212s.com | February 20, 2008, 10:10 am 10:10 am
I hope Clinton beats Obama. This will make it easier for the Republicans to keep the White House. This is why McCain is attacking Obama.
Posted by: Benjamin | February 20, 2008, 10:11 am 10:11 am
The prominence of former Gray Davis staffers bodes well for this effort.
Posted by: Gregg Gordon | February 20, 2008, 10:14 am 10:14 am
Go Obama, let them know that the power of life and death lies in the tongue. Use your tongue it’s working and will continue to work.
Posted by: duzie | February 20, 2008, 10:14 am 10:14 am
hillary—–get ready for state of the union in 2009—-guess who will be giving it—that’s right—Mr. President, Barack H. Obama—–get used to it………..why not just quit now—-you will not win—we don’t like you or your husband—and if you have experience from his time in office, are you also responsible for his mess ups?–do we remember travelgat, vince foster found dead in the park—
Posted by: bonnie | February 20, 2008, 10:15 am 10:15 am
Typical of Hillary. Though this group is not “officially: connected with the Clinton campaign, Stevie Wonder can see that there is come affiliation and coordination going on. She simply has to class, and to allow a group like this to work on her behalf, she is no better than Bush allowing the swiftboat ads to go on.
It is clear that she is a divisive figure and that the masses are tired of Clintons. Obama’s new slogan should be “Against All Odds.”
Posted by: Shawn | February 20, 2008, 10:16 am 10:16 am
The Clinton’s will never learn and only re-inforce the reasons that voters are picking Obama! The old “attack” politics not only drives a wedge between opponents but also drives away voters who are tired of the “winner take all” attitudes of the Clintons and their likes!
Posted by: DonAKA1109 | February 20, 2008, 10:17 am 10:17 am
Dear J-
Thanks for using my name in all caps. I’ll take it as a sign of respect.
You’re not going to see the “we screwed up” language 18 months into an Obama presidency. Please don’t confuse him with a bumbling moron like Bush.
Maybe it’s time for us “young whippersnappers” to show the old establishment how to break away from being wh0res to special interest and returning our nation to the ideals it was founded upon…
Posted by: Sean | February 20, 2008, 10:17 am 10:17 am
And the reason Mrs. Clinton cannot speak is what?
Posted by: Robert Campbell | February 20, 2008, 10:17 am 10:17 am
This will not go over well with the “supers”.
Posted by: Bob, DC | February 20, 2008, 10:18 am 10:18 am
Anyone involved with Grey Davis is welcome to help Old Hillary out!
Posted by: Deanna G. | February 20, 2008, 10:19 am 10:19 am
Prediction: The Obama people will have their e-mails out tonight, asking for contributors to send in cash to counter whatever the 527 ponies up. 2d prediction: they will get it, and much more.
Posted by: John Dillinger | February 20, 2008, 10:19 am 10:19 am
Gene: I agree with you. Patrick will be the VP and we will never get them out of office. If Hillary does not win the nominatiion I will vote for McCain and hope her supporters do the same. I would not vote a for a black candidate that is l/2 Kenyan. This is America and I do not cater to candidates running that are not born and raised in America and are part of a different country. He is not a full American black.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | February 20, 2008, 10:20 am 10:20 am
She’s losing EVERY demographic. The Clintonistas are like a cornered animal and will now try ANYTHING. Stay tuned, it will get “better”.
Posted by: Daniel Necci | February 20, 2008, 10:20 am 10:20 am
The extent of bankruptsy and desperation in the Clinton camp is coming to light. Words can move moutains and that is exactly what Obama has done. Campaigns are about speeches, promises, personalities and campaign management. It is not about passing laws while on the campaign trail and it is not about or sending funds to your consituency. Experience certainly matters when it is an experience that one can relate to and appreciate but if it means knowing where the toilest are in the white house or where files can be hidden, go along with the President on the blunders he is about to commit, this is not the right experience. I am proud to be an American because anyone with the bright ideas and dynamic personality can win the highest office. Bill Clinton was a self made man and great for his time but that is not a reason to continue a dynasty. Keep America for Americans not create our own royalties. Especially when it becomes obvious that all Hillary wants is glory for herself and bragging rights of becoming the first woman president. America needs more and for now just words will do, they seem to brought the dynasty to its knees. Bill Clinton can continue his admirable humanatarian work that he is doing. Hillary can continue to be a senator that has kept the New Yorkers happy and Chelsea can work on her Hula dancing
Posted by: Obamish | February 20, 2008, 10:20 am 10:20 am
I no longer have any respect for Hillary. I think that everyone has grown tired of these viscious attacks and slander. I have friends that were AVID Clinton supporters, but after all these attacks are seriously reconsidering who they intend to vote for.
Pack it in Hillary.
You will never compare to Obama.
Posted by: Emily | February 20, 2008, 10:20 am 10:20 am
Hill is trying to make history repeat itself in Alamo. She has nowhere else to go but perhaps back to Arkansas because NY obviously didn’t give her that much of a margin. Look at what her touted Fairy Tale of experience brought her, it is now very clear that she have been tested but didn’t measure up a bit despite the advantages she have. She didn’t even know how to execute her plans, like how she mishandled Hillarycare that drives her to expurgate herself in touring the world. Now with her plan coronation, she didn’t even prepare for an alternate route to her destination when the original road was unexpectedly blocked by Barack. That is enough proof for lack of experience and exposed her as just the biggest Talker herself. Her message is not getting through because the voters just don’t believe in the product.
Hill should learned the lessons of Motorola’s Razr cell phone which was initially sensational and the darling of the consumers. Motorola didn’t know how to improve on it and later became obsolete in comparison to rival’s new products. Now they have to spin it off because their new product is just not good enough. She should admit that she is just not good enough for the public’s taste, the voters have already rejected the politics of lies, distortions and personal destruction which she have mastered. That is the truth and it hurts !
Hill’s new fund raising in NY amidst a campaign battle is like allowing the
commanding general to go home and get supplies to be able to wage battle. I
remember that after Super Tuesday, after releasing the news of loaning her
campaign, her camp muscled her financial backers to trust her and wait for the WI
result. We are now past that point and yet she is back to fund raising, when
will her financial backers finally say enough is enough ? In the meantime,
Barack does not go to fund raising anymore, as funds just keeps on pouring into his cup while he remains in the battlefields among the troops. Can’t you see the bleak situation for your sister ? Time to pull the plug and pull it
quickly, before Alamo repeats itself !
Posted by: wilson | February 20, 2008, 10:21 am 10:21 am
“Sean”
Get a reality check…lol. Do you really think that Saint Obama is going to “fix” Washington? IF so you have alot to learn.
My “Hope” and my “Dream” are that America wakes up soon.
Posted by: J | February 20, 2008, 10:21 am 10:21 am
They’ll be “canvassing to pledges of up to $100k”??? Wow, I’d like to see that list of donors. Clinton, herself, should put a stop to this before they not only ruin her image, but if successful, ruin the image of our party as well. Tired of dirty politics, America? Well don’t take off your boots just yet. Looks like we’re going to have to walk through the last leg of this race in the filthiest mud yet.
Posted by: Blake | February 20, 2008, 10:22 am 10:22 am
You can’t change who Hillary is, and finally the people are paying attention and seeing beneath the fabricated exterior.
Posted by: Patriot2008 | February 20, 2008, 10:22 am 10:22 am
Please Hillary…run as an independent.
I think we pretty much no that that if she fails to win the nomination the Clintons are over becasue she will never run again…not with Gore running in 4 years. What better way to stick a branding iron up Barack then to run as an independent and take Baracks’s votes and give McCain the election. It would be the ultimate payback. Then she can ride off into the sunset with Bill and leave behind their giant fart for Barack to smell for 8 years.
Posted by: Scott Noto | February 20, 2008, 10:23 am 10:23 am
FYI Marianne…Obama was raised in this country. Your ignorance and blatant racism are showing. If your candidate isn’t winning, just make stuff up and then embarrass yourself by posting it online.
Posted by: ld | February 20, 2008, 10:24 am 10:24 am
Guess what, we will see four President Candidates in General election. Mr. McCain, Mr. Bloomberg, Mr. Osama and Mrs. Clinton. Every citizen will find his/her voice. I am proud of America.
Posted by: Hard | February 20, 2008, 10:24 am 10:24 am
She grabbing at branches on her way down. Maybe she should switch parties. Republicans like swiftboat tactics, most Democrats do not.
Posted by: Sara B. | February 20, 2008, 10:24 am 10:24 am
Obama’s certainly not perfect, J. And there are several things I do not agree with him on. But he’s about 10 times more capable of bringing about demonstrable change than any politician I’ve ever seen. I truly believe that. Call me naive.
Posted by: Sean | February 20, 2008, 10:24 am 10:24 am
Attention Hillary supporters:
I suggest not to waste any more money on the sinking Clinton campaign. It will be money down a rathole. Hillary’s campaign has been terribly wasteful burning through $150M with little to show for it. And now there are rumors they are broke again. I think confirmed by the fact that Hillary was “begging” for money last night during her “concession” speech. It is time for her to give it up and rally behind the nominee and focus on defeating the Republicans in Nov.
Posted by: Bob, DC | February 20, 2008, 10:24 am 10:24 am
TO MARIANN PEPITONE
WHAT IS A 100% BLACK AMERICAN—AT LEAST HE KNOWS HE COMES FROM KENYA–DID YOU FORGET ABOUT SLAVERY—AND ARE YOU 100% ANYTHING? GET REAL–COME TO 2008–
Posted by: bonnie | February 20, 2008, 10:25 am 10:25 am
This strategy seems entirely illegal. It reflects what I always thought about the Clintons: they are unethical and desperate. They are more than happy to divide and destroy the country for their own political gain. We are now pushing for the Clintons to concede this race for the benefit of the Democratic Party and also for the good of the country. They need to face the reality that they ran a campaign exactly the way they would have run the country: 1. confusion about the role of Bill Clinton (big mouth strikes again) 2. use of polarization as a political tactic (black vs. white) 3. infighting within her own camp (advisor resignations) disorganized campaign 4. financial hardship ($5MM loan)and debt 5. scandalous, dishonest, unethical activity. I’m so glad that all of these things came out during the campaign and not during her administration. We are all better off leaving the Clintons in the ’90s and moving on.
Posted by: Alan Rose | February 20, 2008, 10:25 am 10:25 am
Looks like Hillary has found her voice . . . Shame on them.
Posted by: JW | February 20, 2008, 10:25 am 10:25 am
Let Hillary keep up the mud slinging campaign, many die hard Hillary fans I know have changed sides due to her dirty tactics.
Posted by: Patriot2008 | February 20, 2008, 10:26 am 10:26 am
bonnie , Barak Hussein Obama
Posted by: lw | February 20, 2008, 10:26 am 10:26 am
I guess we might see four Candidates in general election.
Posted by: Hard | February 20, 2008, 10:26 am 10:26 am
It is almost amusing to look at the Clintons and all their supporters in shock and confusion, confounded by the realization that they are out of touch with the American People. They just refuse to recognize that outside of NY and Calif., the majority of good, American people don’t like them, don’t want them and won’t vote for them. The American people are making it clear that they can see deceptive, Rovian tactics at play.
It’s time to turn the page …..and the good new is this ….the name Clinton will not be written on the new page!
Obama 08!
Posted by: Thomas in DC | February 20, 2008, 10:27 am 10:27 am
It is almost amusing to look at the Clintons and all their supporters in shock and confusion, confounded by the realization that they are out of touch with the American People. They just refuse to recognize that outside of NY and Calif., the majority of good, American people don’t like them, don’t want them and won’t vote for them. The American people are making it clear that they can see deceptive, Rovian tactics at play.
It’s time to turn the page …..and the good new is this ….the name Clinton will not be written on the new page!
Obama 08!
Posted by: Thomas in DC | February 20, 2008, 10:27 am 10:27 am
LW, please elaborate.
Posted by: Blake | February 20, 2008, 10:28 am 10:28 am
Deanna: When you say old Hillary be thankful if you can live as long as Hillary. There are many young people dying every day. And isn’t your mother old? Apparently you can’t read between the lines in Obama’s speeches. Get a grip. Obama wants to make history as the first black president. Why do you thing he says the words yes we can? Yes we can elect a black president but most of this generatiion can’t see thru him because they are too busy eating up his fake speeches that Patrick gave him.He is as phony as a three dollar bill and I hope McCain beats him at the polls. If Hillary doesn’t win the nomination her supporters should vote McCain and leave Obama in the dust.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | February 20, 2008, 10:28 am 10:28 am
People wake up. Hillary doesn’t have any more experience than Obama. The only experience she has is being the First Lady. We all know if you pick Hillary you will get Bill. He will actually be the president for the 3 time. She continues to use negativity. cry, and slander. That is not what we want in the White House. We need someone who can unite this country. Barack so far as done more than in other president. He has united everyone (race, gender, low class, middle class, rich and the poor) He will be the president of the United States. If we get McCain, we will settle for the same of crap. (High gas prices, Iraq another 10 years, retirement age will be 80)
Posted by: AUDRA | February 20, 2008, 10:29 am 10:29 am
I guess Hillary called in one of her favors for her 35 years of history (being a wife) and will allow them to market for her (hippocrite). Part of being a good motivator is the ability to motivate. It doesn’t matter if it is the voting public or congressmen and senators, they all have to be motivated. Hillary is just bitter, vengfull and shifty (Tax return anyone). Oh I’m sorry, she said she would show her return if she was selected as the Demo candidate….after it was too late for us to select Obama. What a shame. Hilary, come up with some real arguments for a change. I don’t even like Obama, I just don’t like you.
Posted by: Brian | February 20, 2008, 10:31 am 10:31 am
Words can move moutains and that is exactly what Obama has done. Campaigns are about speeches, promises, personalities and campaign management.
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Again… he is stealing others words… We have a right to know who is pulling his strings. Who is behind the curtain! Oz…? He is definately not short on promises…
Posted by: Steve - Dallas | February 20, 2008, 10:32 am 10:32 am
Another desperate underhand attempt from Hillary campaign. Who are you kidding, it is not affiliated..get real.
Posted by: Lawrence | February 20, 2008, 10:32 am 10:32 am
The Cinton’s will destroy the Democratic party rather give up their quest for the Whitehouse.. Watch out America power hungry people are dangerous
Posted by: Valerie Tarantolo | February 20, 2008, 10:33 am 10:33 am
Why am I not surprised Hillary is planning on swiftboating Obama? The woman has no shame and no regard for the Democratic Party. Instead of being gracious in defeat and supporting him, she is going to drag him down with her. Thanks Hillary
Posted by: Alex | February 20, 2008, 10:35 am 10:35 am
Sounds like the Clintons. When the going gets tough start slinging the mud and do whatever dirty tricks you can think of to try and win the nomination. Don’t you get it Hillary if people don’t vote for you then its time to pack it in and move on. Accept reality!!
Posted by: Judy Beard | February 20, 2008, 10:35 am 10:35 am
I went to see Barack in Houston last night. The atmosphere was like a rock concert. We waited in line for hours. Standing room only. As i watched the people and listened to Barack; i realized he was just saying exactly what people wanted to hear. He sounded like a used car salesman and he was good at it. In all his comments, he said absolutely nothing other than everything is broken and he was the savior to fix ALL problems. The promises he made were so unrealistic; he seemed like he was in fantasy land. I am still undecided. Now its between Hillary and McCain. Barack used so many scare tactics and he is the only solution to the worlds problems. Give me a break. Say no to Obama. I am still reserving judgment on Hillary and McCain.
Posted by: Obama is a BSer | February 20, 2008, 10:36 am 10:36 am
Mariann Pepitone, wake up! Barack’s candidacy has about unity, the fact that he’s black is just a fact. He’s not running to make a statement, unlike Hillary. How many times has Hillary specificly said that it “time for a woman in the white house”? Alooooooooot! How many times has Barack said its time for an african american in the white house? Never. Quit cloaking your racist inhibitions in such unfounded reasoning.
Posted by: Blake | February 20, 2008, 10:36 am 10:36 am
This is Hillary’s scorched earth policy, slash and burn. If she can’t win then her policy is to destroy everything and everyone including the Democratic Party. She is willing to loose her legacy and her dignity, all in the name of power. I feel really bad for her if she does this she will regret it later in life.
Posted by: GOP | February 20, 2008, 10:36 am 10:36 am
I feel like the people around Hillary keep leading her down the wrong paths. After last night, her allies need to be straight with her and tell her to stop the madness. This kind of tactic will only ruin her, and not Obama. The fact that she keeps going along with such a poorly run campaign shows that she probably doesn’t have what it takes to be president.
Posted by: lisa | February 20, 2008, 10:37 am 10:37 am
Sounds like the Clintons. When the going gets tough start slinging the mud and do whatever dirty tricks you can think of to try and win the nomination. Don’t you get it Hillary if people don’t vote for you then its time to pack it in and move on. Accept reality!!
Posted by: Judy Beard | February 20, 2008, 10:37 am 10:37 am
Blake: Elaborate what? Are you one of those suckers eating up the garbage he is shooting? I knew he did not write his own speeches. He doesn’t have the knowledge to do that and he should if he is an attorney. But he was an attorney for a crook that gave him one hundred thousand dollars for his services. Must be nice. Do you think Obama is honest? When he was running for the senate he played dirty pool against the woman that was also campaigning that’s how he won. Wake up. Obama is using the white people for votes and that’s all. He belongs to an all black church that does not like the white race. Obama’s speeches were written by Patrick because Patrick used those speeches when he was campaigning for Governor and I understand he may not get in again. They are both phony and liars.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | February 20, 2008, 10:37 am 10:37 am
You are all sad. The Clinton’s have done so much for this country, we should all be ashamed of ourselves. What happened to you all?
I guess the kool aid didn’t work on me, maybe another sip??? Ahhh, I would rather stay independent and use my voice for true leadership. Hillary, I am with you all the way.
Wake up, I hear the kool aid wears off when you are broke, homeless and there is a Republican in the White House – but then it is too late, isn’t it?
Posted by: Chipo | February 20, 2008, 10:37 am 10:37 am
10 in a row? How many were caucuses which draw limited numbers of voters? Of course, when you’re part of a cultish-like movement that doesn’t mind missing work, standing around for hours waiting for the caucus to get underway – not having to worry about childcare because you’re either too young to have a family or so financially comfortable that this is like an evening out with friends and neighbors so you hire a babysitter. The point is – most of us just don’t have that kind of time. Let us stop on our way to work/home to cast our vote in the privacy of the booth; if we are at home with the kids, we can bundle them up and they can accompany us for the few minutes it takes to do our civic duty.
In elections past, most of us were comfortable waiting for one candidate to emerge through the process – I don’t recall one candidate,his campaign machine or large numbers of media people in the past trying to squash someone’s candidacy until a candidate emerged through this process.
Obama’s people would like to think that Wisconsin’s result points to him as the clear winner: here’s why it doesn’t:
SAME DAY REGISTRATION: many believe that when we make it so easy to vote that just about anyone will turn up – democratic leaders have to wonder if these people will be there in November even if their candidate is the nominee (it’s worth asking, are they reliable voters?)
OPEN PRIMARY: On the day of the primary, voters can pick up either a Democratic or Republican ballot – see below
THE MCCAIN EFFECT: Will we find out that since the Republican contest is for all intents and purposes over, signicant numbers of people crossed over to vote for Obama knowing that in November.
There’s another issue at work here. In past elections, I sometimes preferred one candidate over others going into the primaries, sometimes I needed more time or information and made my choice as the process unfolded. In every instance whether my preference emerged or didn’t, I’ve always been able to support the Democratic candidate in the Fall election. I’m worried though that I won’t be able to do that due to the divisiveness of Obama’s supporters (really nasty personal attacks on Clinton; even the comment made by Obama’s wife that doesn’t deserve any more attention than it already got) and the clear media bias against Clinton and the slanted coverage in mainstream media.
Finally, the media by its own admission (See “A Perennial Press Opera” this week’s Newsweek)has fallen in love with Obama and given him a free pass. It seems only fair that Democrats of some standing help her to get her message out in states as important as Ohio and Texas.
Posted by: Mass voter | February 20, 2008, 10:37 am 10:37 am
This is Hillary’s scorched earth policy, slash and burn. If she can’t win then her policy is to destroy everything and everyone including the Democratic Party. She is willing to loose her legacy and her dignity all in the name of power. I feel really bad for her if she does this she will regret it later in life.
Posted by: Mase7wl | February 20, 2008, 10:39 am 10:39 am
I thought Hillary cried the Change slogan too. She played the experience card, run the dirty ads against Obama, made lots of speeches about the economy and the issues which is proving to be a disaster. On universal health care she did her best but, failed. She’s done all she could to stop the inexperience Obama without success. I think her last strategy is to really go dirty but, anytime she tried it back fired. Maybe a heavy down pour of tears will do the trick this time.
All her 35 years of experience makes me go Baracklly Obamafied.
Posted by: Steve | February 20, 2008, 10:42 am 10:42 am
hard-
Who cares about his middle name. You’re an idiot. You reinforce the fact that Obama leads with the educated voters.
Posted by: tennis1125 | February 20, 2008, 10:42 am 10:42 am
The creation of an organization to run ads whose purpose “…is to encourage audiences to look beyond the campaign speeches and political rhetoric to specific proposals to address these core issues” is a truly unique way of looking at this presidential campaign. What a concept. I can’t believe they would dare to run ads that ask difficult questions, about issues that could result in American learning to think. We will always have our favorite misogynist male media talking heads to correct any ad and tell us what it says and why it says what they say it says, even though when we read or hear it, it seems to say something else. Thank goodness we have the “free press” underwritten by advertisers who benefit from employing the boys to lead us all down the right path instead of this American Leadership Project. Don’t think for yourself, just follow the boys.
Posted by: AmazonTraveler | February 20, 2008, 10:43 am 10:43 am
Mass voter: Typical Clintonian response. 10 in a row means nothing because there were some caucuses. Your argument starts to fail when looking at states like WI: not a caucus, and Obama starts to win among lower-income and less educated voters.
And are you serious that you think Hillary has put out LESS negative, personal attacks than Obama? What? Are we following the same election? Did you see the polling last night where 53% of WI voters thought Hillary used “unfair” tactics and only 33% thought Obama did?
We must all be getting sucked into this dangerous “cult”. Be very afraid. OOOOHWEEEOH OOOH OOOOH
Posted by: Sean | February 20, 2008, 10:45 am 10:45 am
Dear Barack,
Can I be your PRESS SECRETARY? Oh, please…pretty please…I will keep the MAINSCREAM media in place and answer the nattering nabobs of negativism like you never thought possible. Oh my aching GOD, where do I send my application!!!!!!!!
Your friend,
A DEM from NC
Posted by: daddyblue | February 20, 2008, 10:45 am 10:45 am
Sure, Obama sound great, we all want change but I keep coming back to the fact that it’s not a one man or woman show. It’s the government as a whole with checks and balances. One person doesn’t set all the policies, they have to have the support of the Senate and House, who have their own agenda’s. How is someone with a mere 3 years experience going to be able to work the system? History shows weak presidents end up being someone elses puppet. I’m wondering if the American people elect Obama, just who is going to be running the show?
Posted by: dl | February 20, 2008, 10:45 am 10:45 am
Thanks for this news – it’s encouraging to learn that citizens are uniting and fighting back against this fiasco which is unfolding. Time to take things into our own hands and bring REALITY back to the people because neither Obama nor a biased media are doing a very good job of that! The last few weeks have seen this election descend into American Idol territory and it has become an absolute JOKE. Glamor, glitz and waffle will not save this country and nor will Barack Obama. I am thankful that I am one of the MILLIONS who have not fallen for his cheap, empty and thoroughly irresponsible message of “hope and salvation” (with NIL substance). This is not an acting audition nor a Sunday sermon! Wake up America, focus on policies, skills, knowledge and plans – like any normal job require. Once a return to reality is achieved, it will become blatantly obvious that Clinton is the more suitable candidate for the Democratic nomination. But if you want to ensure a Repuplican win in November, vote for Obama as McCain will wipe him to the floor. Case closed.
Posted by: Muzza | February 20, 2008, 10:46 am 10:46 am
bonnie, this is typical of Obama supporters. There is no state of the union in 2009.
Posted by: Kitty | February 20, 2008, 10:46 am 10:46 am
Blake: I am not as dumb as you and believe me you are dumb. I am not easily led like you. I can see thru Obama and read him like a book without the cover. Face reality when its looking right at you. Obama wants to make history as the first black president in this country. Furthermore it has nothing to do with race. If I were to vote for a black candidate it would be a black candidate born and raised in this country and not l/2 black of another country. I am an American born and raised in this country, respect this country and would not allow my vote to go to a candidate that is l/2 white and l/2 Kenyan.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | February 20, 2008, 10:46 am 10:46 am
Clinton is by far the best candidate. It is irrellivant however. Democrats want CHANGE. 95% of those who thought experience was the most important thing chose Clinton. 95% is no small edge.
Too bad only .000001% of all people think experience matters amongst democrats. It cracks me up.
In 2012 I am getting an organization together to get Scarlett Johannson elected. She has WAY more electablility than Obama can ever dream of. If american voters are stupid enough to vote the youngest and least experienced guy in office, why not her?
Posted by: tom | February 20, 2008, 10:46 am 10:46 am
This is great. If people actually start thinking they will be voting republican.
Posted by: Sam | February 20, 2008, 10:48 am 10:48 am
It is amazing how people follow blindly. Hardball had a Senator fro Texas and Chris asked him to mention any achivement of Obama since he has been in the senate, he couild not do it, we are talking about a senator, who want to endorse Obama. He could not answer the question.We are a bunch of zombies in this country.
Posted by: David | February 20, 2008, 10:49 am 10:49 am
It is amazing how people follow blindly. Hardball had a Senator from Texas and Chris asked him to mention any achivement of Obama since he has been in the senate, he couild not do it, we are talking about a senator, who want to endorse Obama. He could not answer the question.We are a bunch of zombies in this country.
Posted by: David | February 20, 2008, 10:49 am 10:49 am
I see the same thing in Obama that I saw in George Bush; you know the one that got us into this war. I saw a photo of Obama that showed all the candidates saluting the flag, all but Obama, who refused! Do we need someone who won’t salute our flag in the White Huse? Thnink about it!
Posted by: Toni | February 20, 2008, 10:49 am 10:49 am
I agree than orators can inspire and yes work a crowd into a frenzy and I must say Obama is a master at borrowing from and embellishing on words from some of the best.However why do you think that Ted Kennedy,Kerry,Dashel and left leaning liberals are endorsing him?Because he will be in their pocket,Obama supporters are the kind that look for pie in the sky and like the Pink movement in Berkley Calif.hate the establishment until it benefits them
Posted by: webb armstrong | February 20, 2008, 10:50 am 10:50 am
Hillary resorting to a 527 to try to swiftboat Obama won’t work, it will just get more people to run away from her as fast as they can.
You can poke a fork in HRC she’s done- too bad everyone knows that but her though.
Posted by: Lynne B | February 20, 2008, 10:50 am 10:50 am
Hillary Clinton’s campaign is tone deaf. It is unbelievable the extent to which she is being ill-advised by Penn,Ickes,Bill, Grumwald and the rest of her high powered first tier entourage. They have been spooked by Obama. There was Hillary in Youngstown, Ohio, plowing ahead with her speech, looking pretty worn-out, and not a word about Wisconsin. Not only does it give the impression of a disconnect, of being in denial while reality was staring us all in the face, it also makes her dislikable and lacking grace. Were I her supporter, I would frankly cringe, I would feel embarrassed. As it is, I feel that way as her constituent. After all she represents New York. It makes all of us here look bad.
Posted by: ceci | February 20, 2008, 10:50 am 10:50 am
527 is not going to be enough to Hillary’s dirty work. Bye, Bye Hillary!!!!!
Posted by: terri | February 20, 2008, 10:51 am 10:51 am
There’s nothing better than seeing Hillaryland confused and baffled!
Posted by: kings2beat | February 20, 2008, 10:51 am 10:51 am
Keep coming with the attacks Hillary. You too Sen. McCain. In the end, silly attacks about Obama’s lack of experience, candor, and policies– which can be disproven with an iota of independent research– only make Obama look stronger.
Posted by: Chris Stewart | February 20, 2008, 10:52 am 10:52 am
Hillary is an idiot. she has not done anything to help New York IMHO!!
if women are only voting for her because she’s a women, then they do not deserve to vote.
Posted by: phil | February 20, 2008, 10:52 am 10:52 am
“I see the same thing in Obama that I saw in George Bush”
If you are intellectually lazy, I can see where that comparison makes sense.
Posted by: Jay | February 20, 2008, 10:53 am 10:53 am
Listen folks … Hilary will not take kindly to any thoughts of her losing the candidacy. Remember it has been her mission from Bill’s first term to some day govern the white house herself. So much so that she turned a blind eye to Bill’s womanizing (Monica provided proof of this)because she was determined to not mess up her plan to lead the white house. For her, this is PERSONAL so do not be surprise at what she pulls out of her hat!
Posted by: yvonne | February 20, 2008, 10:53 am 10:53 am
The votes totals in Wisconsin show that once again Obama’s “Democrat for a Day” scam makes the difference. Clinton won when counting on the true Democrat party members. Come November if Obama is on the ballot millions of us will become “Republicans for a Day”.
Posted by: gevill | February 20, 2008, 10:54 am 10:54 am
This desperate pathetic attempt to smear Obama will backfire. Remember the “Supers” are watching.
Posted by: Bob, DC | February 20, 2008, 10:54 am 10:54 am
Hillary has a massive support group that will stand behind her through and through. The margin in many of the states has been very close. The delegate race is close. SHE is about the American people and if people can get past their rage (often fueled by the media)perhaps they would see the woman she has been, IS and will be as President.
Posted by: catherine | February 20, 2008, 10:55 am 10:55 am
Hillary’s legacy = “Where do I stand on driver’s licenses for illegal immigrants . . . well, er, first I would vote ‘yes’ and then later vote ‘no’ . . . well, er, maybe ‘no’ first and then later ‘yes’ . . . well, really I cannot state my opinion until my focus group tells me what my opinion is, but in general I will be for them in States that that will help and against them in Staes that that will help, hey, wait a minute, I have my opponent’s kindergarden transcript and it says he did poorly in fingerpainting, and do we want a President that cannot fingerpaint?” She smiles smugly and cackles, knowing that her kindergarden transcript has been sealed until 2012.
Posted by: John Banning, Spfld, MO | February 20, 2008, 10:55 am 10:55 am
First of all voting republican does not make you smarter, republicans are fanatics, they seem to want more of a theocracy, to “cesar what is cesar’s” if you dont agree with them you are wrong and not patriotic there is no grey line with them unless is to their advantage.
About Hillary, is too bad that like in the past, Media (whom is very bias) seems to talk better about Obama and allways find something bad to talk about Hillary. If talking very nice like Obama does is what is needed to get this country to go up and not down like our patriotic friend Mr Bush has done, then we deserve every thing we get with obama. Just like with Bush, just because the majority of people vote for someone does not mean is the right choice, hope we dont end up doing the same again, if we do, we deserve it for being such dumb aces…
Posted by: Jared | February 20, 2008, 10:55 am 10:55 am
Where did you get the idea that Obama could move mountains? The only one that can move mountains is GOD and believe me he is not GOD. Obama is a fake, liar and uses the words change to make the public think he is going to make changes in the white house. Wake up!! He means changing a white president to a black president. It doesn’t take a college professor to know that. He wants to make history. His words yes we can mean yes we can elect a black president. If Hillary doesn’t win the nomination I will vote for John McCain and hope her supporters do the same thing. And Obama will pick Patrick for his running mate and we won’t be able to get rid of them for several years. Think before you vote.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | February 20, 2008, 10:55 am 10:55 am
I agree with ceci, but I really like the Clintons. I hope they can be graceful in defeat. Hillary is a good person inside– arguably, way inside–, I wish her the best of luck on her continued political career. But now, she should exit the race and support Obama.
Posted by: Chris Stewart | February 20, 2008, 10:56 am 10:56 am
This is another example of Clinton’s new campaign strategy: Using Bush tactics, which Americans are sick of.
To call this organization an “independent organization” is laughable, and this is just another example of Clinton’s desperation to win the election. This does not look favorably in my opinion and her bush-like actions are not appealing. This is why Americans do NOT want anymore bush or clinton dynasties–they are ruining America.
Posted by: Bo | February 20, 2008, 10:56 am 10:56 am
It’s really funny that all of you think that Hillary is attacking and being negative, etc. Do you really think the republicans won’t be worse? There is nothing wrong with Hillary Clinton doing whatever she can to try to win the nomination. Nothing at all. If Obama started to lose wouldn’t you want him to buck up and start fighting to? Oh no wait, you would expect him to talk about hope and change and just let his opponent win without a fight huh? Nasty nasty people. Hillary Clinton is far from a bad person. She could be a whole lot worse as far as attacking Obama. Not to mention everything she does she gets a huge backlash from the media that I think is ridiculous. The media does nothing to investigate Obama at all or question anything. His wife’s comments were even blown off as a “mistake” because she’s new. However when Hillary Clinton made errors like then when her husband was running the media went after her like rabid wolves where she was forced to explain in detail every word she used. I will never understand the media’s obvious venom for the Clintons. If you look at what a decent person Chelsea turned out to be doesn’t that say SOMETHING for Hillary Clinton? And yes I’m confused by a country that is electing words as opposed to detail and substance. I’m not “out of touch.” My African American fiance doesn’t understand it either. He feels absolutely nothing for Barack Obama and will vote for Hillary. Who the hell is Barack Obama? Oh wait, I know what happened….Oprah. He wouldn’t even be where he is if it weren’t for Oprah. You all credit Bill Clinton for Hillary’s success, well I’m crediting Oprah Winfrey for Baracks. If he were a man of substance and had grown up with slaves for ancestors the appeal to him would make more sense to me. But he’s a white man with brown skin. And that’s why he’s winning the support of white men as well as black men. White men do not want a woman in office. I think that point was made clear by white male voters along with the entire “establishment.”—-still voting Hillary for President.
Posted by: Ellie | February 20, 2008, 10:57 am 10:57 am
Hillary, exit the race with dignity while you can.
Posted by: Philip, NY | February 20, 2008, 10:57 am 10:57 am
Can any of you concert attendees tell me exactly which of the Republicans in the Senate or House are going to roll over to accommodate Obama’s ‘Change’?
Do you people actually think they are going to abandon their long term positions due to a ‘speech’ from Obama.
This is crazy! Look at ALL the players.
Boehner, Blunt on down. Tell me they are going to “Change” or provide any Democrat with even a flicker of “Hope”
Posted by: Linda | February 20, 2008, 10:57 am 10:57 am
Obama is a Decepticon. The Obamabots say “Resistance is futile; you will be asimilated”. We can not go to the Darkside, the force will be with us. We shall beat the Collective, even if we have to join the Klingons (Republicans) :)
Posted by: Latasha | February 20, 2008, 10:57 am 10:57 am
Just because someone change it’s mind does not mean they do not know what they believe in… If Bush would have the courage to correct/chage hes thinking we would not be in this mess, but no, people dont want a flopper so here we are, hated every where in the world, about to go in too a recesion and maybe bankrupt. But changing our mind to correct things according to circumstances is bad now???????????
Posted by: d12fall4 | February 20, 2008, 10:58 am 10:58 am
I can’t wait to hear from these IDIOTS or receive their mailers. I’m ready to return them with a message of my own, or give them a piece of my mind. IF YOU WANT A FEMALE PRESIDENT, BRING ON CONDOLEZA. I WILL NOT VOTE FOR NEUROTIC HILLARY CLINTON.
Posted by: 2008TooLate | February 20, 2008, 10:59 am 10:59 am
This ALP smacks of racist tendencies. The r
Republicans are hoping Hilary will win the nomnation. Ready to pounce on her questionable character.
Posted by: Bill | February 20, 2008, 10:59 am 10:59 am
Hillary, just stay home. Let Michelle Obama destruct his campaign. She be doing a good job so far.
Posted by: jeff | February 20, 2008, 11:00 am 11:00 am
Win at all costs or no matter the cost. Aren’t we tired of this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: TiredinNM | February 20, 2008, 11:01 am 11:01 am
This is another example of Clinton’s new campaign strategy: Using Bush tactics, which Americans are sick of.
To call this organization an “independent organization” is laughable, and this is just another example of Clinton’s desperation to win the election. This does not look favorably in my opinion and her bush-like actions are not appealing. This is why Americans do NOT want anymore bush or clinton dynasties–they are ruining America.
Posted by: Bo | February 20, 2008, 11:01 am 11:01 am
I love all the cult comments about Obama. Yes, I have abandoned my religion to follow him. Give me a break. It isn’t a cult following, it is that people are excited that there is a candidate who is at least trying to cross party lines and work together to get things done. Obama’s words are his own, you Clinton supporters need to get over that. Clinton advisors wouldn’t answer when asked if Hillary ever borrowed lines or speeches from Bill. Obama used a few lines of a speech his friend gave when faced with the same criticism, big deal. Notice that the more Hillary attacks Obama, the wider his margains of victory get. People are tired of negative campaigning and the exit polls showed that 52% of democrats in Wisconsin think Hillary attacks to much in her campaign.
Posted by: Jason | February 20, 2008, 11:02 am 11:02 am
Ellie – Nobody is saying that Hillary shouldn’t be able to “fight back” or say negative things about her opponent. It’s when she makes negative smears based on petty things, takes his words out of context and attempts to construct ads based on them (the “party of ideas” thing from a while back), and spreads inaccuracies and truth-distortions. that’s the problem
Posted by: Dave | February 20, 2008, 11:02 am 11:02 am
Anyone who claims to be a Democrat and then says they will vote for McCain if Obama is the nominee, is suspect. Most Democrats I know think the Iraq war is the one of the most, if not the most, important issue out there. McCain has said he will stay in Iraq 100 years if necessary. Obama has pledged to get out within 1 year. Plus the issue of the Supreme court nominations and the possibility of overturning Roe v. Wade if McCain is POTUS. I think any real Democrat will vote Obama should he become the nominee.
Posted by: Bob, DC | February 20, 2008, 11:03 am 11:03 am
TiredinNM , the answer is No NO NO NO NO NO , we will go down with the ship , total destruction.Obama will go down with us.
Posted by: Latasha | February 20, 2008, 11:03 am 11:03 am
This is another example of Clinton’s new campaign strategy: Using Bush tactics, which Americans are sick of.
To call this organization an “independent organization” is laughable, and this is just another example of Clinton’s desperation to win the election. This does not look favorably in my opinion and her bush-like actions are not appealing. This is why Americans do NOT want anymore bush or clinton dynasties–they are ruining America.
Posted by: Bo | February 20, 2008, 11:03 am 11:03 am
He does the very same thing Dave and no one says anything about it. You all can deny that all you want, but he does the very same crap. He’s a politician and acts like one, he’s the smoothest I have seen since Bill Clinton, but the difference is Bill Clinton had substance to what he was saying.
Posted by: Ellie | February 20, 2008, 11:04 am 11:04 am
John Banning – LOL, by the way. nice post
Posted by: Dave | February 20, 2008, 11:05 am 11:05 am
Christine, as a younger voter that makes over $80,000, I can say “Yes, I expect that my taxes will increase if Obama is President.” If it saves social security for millions of older people, then it is worth it. It time to stop being so self-centered in this nation, and look out for others.
Posted by: Chris Stewart | February 20, 2008, 11:05 am 11:05 am
I hope we get Obama, is going to take him at least a year of his presidency to learn the ropes, then he will notice that the things he promised are not really easy as he thought then he will spend all his time fighting a fight he cant win, then his rating will go down…
I would very much like to have a Obama voter in formt to say “WE TOLD YOU SO” kinda like i do with the BUSH VOTERS.
Posted by: Jared | February 20, 2008, 11:05 am 11:05 am
HEY cHRISTINE, AT LEAST THE YOUNGER WORKERS HAVE JOBS AND CAN HANDLE THE EXTRA TAXES..EVER TRY LIVING ON A FIXED INCOME. NOT ALL SENIOR CITIZENS ARE INDEPENDNTLY WEALTHY.
Posted by: jenny | February 20, 2008, 11:06 am 11:06 am
527s are part of what is wrong in Washington. Our country is not one tenth of what our founding fathers envisioned and built… we have destroyed it with corruption and power.
Obama is the one candidate that can restore honor and dignity to America.
Posted by: L. Post | February 20, 2008, 11:06 am 11:06 am
It is the messenger not the message! Hillary is old news and people just don’t like her. She has sacrificed her dignity so many times it has hurt her forever. It took Newyorkers to elect her for God’s sake. This doesn’t make her anything but a liberal.
Posted by: JIM | February 20, 2008, 11:06 am 11:06 am
Also Mariann, I have a politics 101 lesson for you. If Obama wasn’t born in the US, he couldn’t run for President. You clearly have issues with an African American being President, so I am glad we disagree on candidates because you are judging him by where his family is from. Also, last nights speech Obama went into some of the issues, he isn’t just about speeches. I really liked they idea of giving kids college scholarships of $4000 in exchange for community service. I think it is a win-win for the kids and community and a great idea.
Posted by: Jason | February 20, 2008, 11:07 am 11:07 am
you are forgetting,
Tomorrow Sillary has to go to court for PeterPaul vs. Sillary on a Debate day.
Let’s see if the media will talk about it. She has to explain where 1.2 million dollars “disappear” in her Senate run in 2000.
Posted by: disable vet | February 20, 2008, 11:07 am 11:07 am
Ellie, ok then give me an example of a negative attack Obama has made on the Hillary camp that distorts the truth. Please.
Any like the flyer she distributed to WI residents showing a group of people and saying “Barack Obama: which one of these people doesn’t deserve health care?” when in fact, his plan would make it affordable for anyone to get healthcare, though it doesnt impose some frightening mandate.
She’s being called out for this kind of stuff and people are taking note. As i mentioned before, 53% of WI voters cited Hillary for “unfair” tactics. Only 33% of voters cited Obama.
Posted by: Dave | February 20, 2008, 11:08 am 11:08 am
lD: What have you been reading Obama was born in Hawaii spent time in Indonesia and then went to live with his father’s relatives in Kenya for several years. Then he came to the United States. He has not lived here all his life. Get a grip. Read his history. He is l/2 and 1/2 Kenyan. He isn’t even an American black. I don’t vote for candidates that are l/2 American and l/2 of another country.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | February 20, 2008, 11:08 am 11:08 am
She’s a real monster. It’s not about the good of Americans but personal greed!
Posted by: VC | February 20, 2008, 11:08 am 11:08 am
Not so sure I would want Mrs. Obama as a First Lady. It could be embarassing!
Posted by: ohiorepublican | February 20, 2008, 11:08 am 11:08 am
It’s the community organizer vs. the establishment insider; the political agnostic who is looking to solve problems at a person’s center opposed by a well honed, bloodied and toughened political insider.
And now the insider nurtures the creation of a swift boat group hoping it will chip away at how people see the community organizer and turn some of those fragments into poisonous self defeating issues.
They are basically betting the farm that they can appeal to our lesser angles and turn people against Barak Obama. But they are ignoring, and possibly forgetting, the instincts of basic humanity, love, forgiveness and understanding that we as humans can have towards each other.
Community organizers learn their craft helping people while operating in an atmosphere created by the incompetent, the unfeeling and the unwilling.
What you do creates what nurtures you. Barak Obama is creating hope, generating an atmosphere that expects people to put their energy into exceeding personal limitations by helping one another. The presidency isn’t a management position, it is a leadership position.
Who do we want to lead us?
Posted by: Mike Malter | February 20, 2008, 11:09 am 11:09 am
Winning a nomination at the cost of losing the election to Republicans, must make Hillary think twice on the game she is playing. People will never forgive you.
Posted by: Peace | February 20, 2008, 11:10 am 11:10 am
L.Post says “Obama is the one candidate that can restore honor and dignity to America”, How about Rezco? How about Sinclair? Honor he has none.
Posted by: David | February 20, 2008, 11:11 am 11:11 am
Hillary Clinton is a two term senator. Her first term was largely ineffective. Her second term she has been totally absent while campaigning. Someone please (PLEASE!) tell me how that translates into 35 years experience?
Posted by: Bob M | February 20, 2008, 11:12 am 11:12 am
I have voted for dem for the past 20 years. But I will vote for McCain if Obama wins the dem nomination. Come on, let’s take a closer look at his speeches: no substance at all. Go Hillary!
Posted by: blackamerican | February 20, 2008, 11:12 am 11:12 am
Mike Malter
Some one with experience Mike, not someone who will play president without knowing what he has to do, with no pull in the international comunity nor at home.
At the end Hillary -Obama in the white house would not be so bad…
Posted by: d12fall4 | February 20, 2008, 11:12 am 11:12 am
I have voted for dem for the past 20 years. But I will vote for McCain if Obama wins the dem nomination. Come on, let’s take a closer look at his speeches: no substance at all. Go Hillary!
Posted by: blackamerican | February 20, 2008, 11:12 am 11:12 am
Mariann, “I don’t vote for candidates that are l/2 American and l/2 of another country.” Why? Give one reason for that statement that isn’t racist or bigatry? Who cares where his family is from? His dad didn’t raise him so he had little influence on his life. He was raised by his Mom and Grandparents, so what difference does it make?
Posted by: Jason | February 20, 2008, 11:13 am 11:13 am
I thought America was different from the rest of the world where democracy did not seem to exist. Waal, I am asshamed of myself because I notice I was so wrong. Very wrong indeed. If this is what political campaigns can do then I am going to declare that it is better out in the open about things. I would rather a republican who does not hide their war-mongering ang fear-mongering tactics, their divide and rule ideology which does not care for and about the poor or underclass. At least , they do not hide it and try to make it as if it does not exist. Now I cannot stand people mascarading as democrats when all they are doing is the same blood-sucking chicanery that we all hoped would not be here in the 21st century. My Lord this is frightening. Who then is to distinguish between the enemy of the people when the democrats pretend to be democratic, the party of the poor when they act like this. I think the Republican party ought to be proud it is not them this time. The Clintonistas are OUT if full force and will do anything not only to extend their hegemony on America , but also in the whole world. Gosh I am afraid for the future..no more hope.It is all HILLARY. Nonsense!
Posted by: Suitbot | February 20, 2008, 11:14 am 11:14 am
Why is Clinton a monster for daring to criticize Obama? You guys are a bunch of sexist morons. I hope this party tanks to hell. I actually find it racist to think that black men cannot be subject to scrutiny. As a black man myself, I am offended by the notion that asking me questions and criticizing my campaign is racist. I WANT to be challenged. I also think that it is sexist to characterize Clinton in beastly terms because she does what the boyz do. The dems are a bunch of lunatics. Losers.
Posted by: tony | February 20, 2008, 11:14 am 11:14 am
Jason: Obama was born in Hawaii and has not lived here all his life. You better read his history. He spent time in Indonesia when he was young then went to live in Kenya for several years as a young boy. Then he came back to the United States. Get a grip. But that doesn’t change the fact that he is l/2 Kenyan with is another country. He is only l/2 white. I will not vote for a candidate that is l/2 white and l/2 Kenyan. His l/2 is not an American black. Where have you been. His father came from Kenya not America.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | February 20, 2008, 11:14 am 11:14 am
Roe v. Wade–this is a red herring. The abortion debate is only important to radicals. There are FAR more pressing issues facing this country.
As for social security, a problem remaining untalked about is that the ‘Me Generation’ is getting older and they struggle to maintain personal financial discipline. Rather than save or live within their means, you will be seeing a demand for more social security spending. SS was meant as a safety net to help those in need and not as a replacement source of income. return it to what it was intended to be, and things would be fine.
Posted by: Jim | February 20, 2008, 11:14 am 11:14 am
It’s about time. Obama is getting free time from the media – especially from MSNBC & CNN
Getting free airtime from the media is o.k. but having citizens (the mentioned gentlemen are US citizens) try to offset the media is not??
Only Obama supporters probably believe that.
Posted by: francis | February 20, 2008, 11:15 am 11:15 am
Crossover republicans voting against Hillary will decide this primary. This, is of course, as a democrat, worrisome to me. I don’t trust republicans, or their motives. Their talking heads are also encouraging people to cross over in open primaries to vote against Hill. Why? I wonder? What’s their motivation? If Hillary is so terrible.. why wouldn’t they wish to go up against her in the general? It just doesn’t add up. Over 60% of true democrats and closed primaries are going for Hill. So called “independants” and “republicans” are swinging it Obama’s way, and they might decide this whole thing. They will do it in TX too… and there is not a damn thing we can do about it. Republicans.. are choosing both candidates.. does this raise any red flags to anyone but me?
Posted by: An Opinion | February 20, 2008, 11:15 am 11:15 am
Why would this article surprise anyone ? This is how The Clintons work . I am done with the Dynasties.
I am also not delusional
Not a robot
Not a member of a cult
Im a US citizen that cant take the crap WE have had to endure the past 16 years !
If u are truly going to vote for McCain because you despise Obama so much – may the blood of those who will perish during MCCains 100 years of war – spill all over you !
Posted by: soflindie | February 20, 2008, 11:15 am 11:15 am
On about 80 distrcits that produced 0 votes for Obama in NY on February 5, NYC Mayor Mike Bloomberg said, “If you want to call it significant undercounting, I guess that’s a euphemism for fraud.” Isn’t it unbelievable that this happened in America? Not in a 3rd country???
Are you reporters going to examine further and report who is accountable for this??
Posted by: Philip, NY | February 20, 2008, 11:15 am 11:15 am
I am tired of buying imported goods, I want to buy American, I don’t want half American President , I want a full 100% American!
Posted by: Latasha | February 20, 2008, 11:15 am 11:15 am
The thought of Hillary or Mrs. Obama in the White House makes my stomach crawl. Hillary wouldn’t be where she’s at had Bill not cheated on her.
Mrs. Obama is an ingrate. To say she was ashamed of her country that has been more than generous to her with her privileged life is a slap in our faces. How dare this Harvard grad, lawyer, wife of senator proclaim we are to be ashamed of our country until now that the savior Obama will come and save our “souls”. She makes me sick and people are so duped by this rhetoric! Wake up!
Posted by: cbeargal | February 20, 2008, 11:15 am 11:15 am
EXCELLENT NEWS! She needs to start fighting back and I’m thrilled to know there’s a 527 that’s going to do just that. Mr. Hope has had a free ride from the media so far. No one knows what the man stands for, besides Hope and Change because the MSM is so ENTHRALLED with him they refuse to investigate his life….or they have the info and are saving it to destroy him in the GE (this is what I believe they’re doing).
In 2000 people voted for Bush because they saw him as “Mr. Heartland America”, “down to earth”, “A uniter, not a divider.” Then in 2004, they vote for Bush again because “he would be fun to have a beer with.” NOW, you’re doing the same thing with Mr. Hope? People are voting for Mr. Hope because he gives them “Hope?”
HOPE doesn’t put food on the table, HOPE doesn’t bring jobs back to our country, HOPE doesn’t give us a Health Care Plan that covers EVERYONE, HOPE doesn’t rebuild our crumbling schools, HOPE doesn’t fix the housing crisis we face, HOPE doesn’t repair our crumbling infrastructure, HOPE doesn’t create more jobs, HOPE doesn’t lower the price of gasoline, HOPE doesn’t lower our utility bills, HOPE doesn’t take care of our Veterans, HOPE doesn’t house the homeless and HOPE doesn’t feed the hungry….I could go on and on and on, but you get the drift. Mr. Hope is nothing but a good Plagiarized speech and an empty suit. He offers this country NOTHING but a bunch of rhetoric and, of course, the people of this country are stupid enough to fall for it. I’m NOT surprised. They DID vote for Bush…TWICE. Never, ever underestimate the pure IGNORANCE of the America voter.
Posted by: Tom | February 20, 2008, 11:15 am 11:15 am
Like the Clinton’s… get real. They have never had or will ever have family or christian values. The only reason Chelsea turned out so nice is that for most of her life, she has been tutored by the best and living the life our tax money has paid for. I pray for the candidate that hopes for and sees the need for changes, not the one that has planned for and has visualized their spot in history. Win at all cost. Ya
Posted by: dembot | February 20, 2008, 11:16 am 11:16 am
Keep it up folk — bickering is good. It’s especially good when it’s all assertions based on ansence of fact. Meanwhile, the sound you hear in the background is a fat lady singing. (From what I read, a Hillary supporter)
Posted by: Surelock Homes | February 20, 2008, 11:17 am 11:17 am
Gia Marie
PLEASE…you were just convince by Obama because you like to hear good things, it wasnt because someone said something offensive about him…
What will you do when you see that from all the promises he has made he only does 1 and this is LEGALLIZE ILLEGAL INMIGRANTS???????????????
Posted by: d12fall4 | February 20, 2008, 11:17 am 11:17 am
Hillary is on the verge of loosing all credibility and respect. If she adopts Rove’s tactics, she will destroy the Democrats’ chances in November. Is that really the legacy the Clintons wish to create?
Posted by: dano | February 20, 2008, 11:17 am 11:17 am
Who is Barack
Obama?
Probable U. S. presidential candidate,
Barack Hussein Obama was born
in Honolulu, Hawaii, to Barack Hussein
Obama, Sr., a black MUSLIM
from Nyangoma-Kogel, Kenya and Ann
Dunham, a white Athiest from
Wichita, Kansas.
Obama’s parents met at the University of
Hawaii. When Obama was two
years old, his
parents divorced. His father returned to Kenya. His
mother then married Lolo Soetoro, a RADICAL Muslim
from Indonesia.
When Obama was 6 years old, the family relocated to
Indonesia. Obama
attended a MUSLIM school in Jakarta. He
also spent two years in a
Catholic school.
Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he is
a Muslim. He is
quick to point out that, “He was once a Muslim, but
that he also
attended Catholic
school.”
Obama’s political
handlers are attempting to make it appear that
that he is not a
radical.
Obama’s introduction to Islam came via his father, and
that this
influence was temporary at best. In reality, the
senior Obama returned
to Kenya soon after the divorce, and
never again had any direct
influence over his
son’s education.
Lolo Soetoro, the second husband of Obama’s mother,
Ann Dunham,
introduced his stepson to Islam. Obama was enrolled in
a Wahabi school
in
Jakarta.
Wahabism is the RADICAL ISLAMIC teaching that is
followed by the Muslim
terrorists who are now waging Jihad against the
western world. Since
it is politically expedient to be a CHRISTIAN when
seeking major
public office in the United States,
Barack Hussein Obama has joined
the United Church of Christ in an attempt to downplay
his Muslim
background. ALSO, keep in mind that when
he was sworn into office he
DID NOT use the
Holy Bible, but instead the Koran.
Barack Hussein
Obama will NOT recite the Pledge of Allegience nor
will he show any
reverence for our flag. While others place their hands
over their hearts,
Obama turns his back to the flag and slouches.
Let us all remain alert concerning Obama’s expected
presidential
candidacy.
The Muslims have said they plan on destroying the
US from the inside
out, what better way to start than at the highest
level – through the
President of the
United States, one of their own!!!!
Please forward to everyone you know. Would you want
this man leading
our country?……
NOT ME!!!
Posted by: Jim | February 20, 2008, 11:18 am 11:18 am
Hillary supporters are the one living in fantasy land. It’s over ! Face it and move on ! This latest act of desperation is exactly why we need a break with the past. To paraphrase Obama, the same old people, playing the same old games and expecting a different result. He said it about Washington but it’s equally applicable here – more ads and mailers with the same old tired message about HRCs so called “experience”. It didn’t work in Wisconsin and it won’t work in Ohio.
Posted by: South Austin | February 20, 2008, 11:18 am 11:18 am
This is another example of Clinton’s new campaign strategy: Using Bush tactics, which Americans are sick of and clearly shows Clinton’s desperation to win the election. This does not look favorably in my opinion and her bush-like actions are not appealing.This is why Americans do NOT want anymore bush or clinton dynasties–they are ruining America.
Posted by: Bo | February 20, 2008, 11:19 am 11:19 am
I have no problem giving my vote to an African American guy (or a Latino, Asian American, or a Native American) if this person can really do things rather than reciting speeches. Clearly this African American guy will not win my vote. I am really tired of his substance-less speeches.
Posted by: Gracy | February 20, 2008, 11:20 am 11:20 am
SOUTH Austin – you youngsters voting for Obama don’t even know what the past is. all you know is American Idol.
Posted by: tony | February 20, 2008, 11:20 am 11:20 am
Democrats, don’t worry. My family always voted for the Bush’s here in Texas. In fact we always vote Republican, but this year my family and all the people I know at work and my community are going for Obama. He will win by a landslide here in Texas!
Posted by: steve | February 20, 2008, 11:21 am 11:21 am
Who is HILLARY CLINTON? As a Walmart corporate attorney and advisor, she sided with Walmart on heathcare issues that were and still the worst in this country. Only now that she is courting the latino vote that her message has changed. On Natinal Security interest…she stood by her huaband when they negotiated on behalf of the UAE for them to take over our seaports for a hefty 35 million dollars. On the Economy…how can you trust someone that cannot even balance her campaign finance. It is time for the her to go .
Posted by: clark | February 20, 2008, 11:21 am 11:21 am
If Obama wins we must destroy the Demacrats, thats what they deserve.
Posted by: David | February 20, 2008, 11:22 am 11:22 am
Change is the word of the day these days.
But change what? Change why? Change how? Change for the sake of change is meaningless and even destructive. The communists made change for change sake a political philosophy and see where that got them. Change on its own is an empty word and that’s just why politicians use it: They want you to fill this empty vessel of a word with whatever you have in mind.
I’d rather vote for a candidate who explains the issues and where they stand on them than vote for change.
Posted by: carmella | February 20, 2008, 11:23 am 11:23 am
The negative attacks worked so well in South Carolina I cannot believe it took them this long to re-institute them. The idea of having hope for a better future is overrated anyway. Maybe she’ll win and unite the country to get things done. It’s not like she’s the one who has taken the most money from federal lobbyists during this campaign. Oh no, wait. She is the one. Well, at least she’s not polarizing and people don’t love to hate her. Hang on…wrong again. I’m amazingly having a hard time coming up with positives here, can someone help?
Posted by: TSnow27604 | February 20, 2008, 11:23 am 11:23 am
Ah, I guess the Clintonistas are doing more party-cleaving. This time focusing on white women. They probably think they are the only demographic that “matter” this week.
Do they really think we’re that stupid? Or maybe they just are.
She’s nothing more than a classless thug.
Posted by: Chicka | February 20, 2008, 11:24 am 11:24 am
I’m so happy that special interest groups are going to get their say for Hill. Though the majority of Americans have voted for Obama, 527′s are the really important groups in the US.
We will, we will BARACK YOU!
Posted by: Ted Jones | February 20, 2008, 11:25 am 11:25 am
Don’t like Hillary, OK, now you vote a real monster who not be proud of be american in her life until now.
a person full of evil greed! M. Obama
Posted by: larratta | February 20, 2008, 11:25 am 11:25 am
SCORE ANOTHER VICTORY FO CHRISTIAN POLITICS
CHANGE is coming with Obama; he’s wracking up win after win against Hillary, the most powerful woman ever, in USA politics. So what is Obama really offering? How will he face McCain?
Obama seems to have all the RIGHT stuff. Anyone who watches the big winners, have seen noble people, like Gore and Kerry, lose elections. The Winners on the other side are more “likeable” like Bush, and actor/orators like Reagan and Schwarzenegger. If Democrats want to win this time, we better follow someone with the RIGHT stuff (sarcasm intended).
Over the years, I have seen issues like Immigration UNITE people in a frenzy of misinformation. The same people that cry foul are the ones allowing illegal immigration to continue. Why? Because they want an underclass. An underclass of illegal workers, works cheep and spends money. What could be better? Illegals help keep the costs down for food and other services. The obvious solution to stop illegal immigration seems to be to prosecute employers, but then never happens. Instead people buy into the scam.
I have seen Obama play every card in his deck. I have seen him passively attack Hillary because she is a woman again and again. He gives inspirational speeches and claims he will focus on plans later, and bring change. From what I can see, so far, Obama change will move us RIGHT, and that’s not the Change I’d Hoped to see in 2008.
So we’re watching the most accomplished woman politician is USA teetering on the brink of a loss to the popular Obama. The people that voted for him, Believe that someday he will find his own voice, and deliver a speech others can quote for generations. I’m sorry that I don’t have confidence in Obama’s mission. He looks good, and gather’s a crowd, and he’s eloquent — but there is way too much talk about Christianity in a country that is already at risk of deciding that the separation of Church and State is “Outdated”. He puts down Hillary for being a woman albeit in a sneaky way, it’s still obvious to man men and women. He refuses to take a stand – which I assume is good politics allowing him the maximum ability to CHANGE and maybe he will try and appear more RIGHT than McCain in the Big Race.
Hillary is not perfect, but I felt good about her commitment and leadership ability to work for Democratic change. Obama, he’s a wild card and like Reagan is Inspirational and will likely pull the Democrats RIGHT like no Democrat has in the recent past, IMHO. I BELIEVEd Hillary would win in the race against McCain, and I BELIEVE Obama won’t, so the real tragedy is watching Hillary go down.
Posted by: Obama Who Is He? | February 20, 2008, 11:25 am 11:25 am
Jason: It make a lot of difference to me. I am a lot older than you, have voted for several presidents and it has nothing to do with race. I was born and raised in this country and only voted democrat. If Hillary wasn’t running for office I still would not vote for Obama. I would vote for a black candidate only if they were not part of another country. I voted for Jesse White secretary of state in Illinois. I like Jesse White and would vote for him again. Jesse White was born and raised in this country and he is not part of another country. For your information did you read up on the church that Obama attends? Why don’t you do that sometime. Obama was raised in Kenya as a Muslim before he came back here even though he won’t admit he is Muslim. And if he’s christian like he states he is he wouldn’t be going to a church that does not cater to whites.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | February 20, 2008, 11:26 am 11:26 am
Say it isn’t so! Can a potential US President actually turn his back on the flag of the United States? A symbol of honor and respect for all that have fallen to keep the rest of us free? How about the Mrs? Is she anti-American also? This is all so scary…..
Posted by: ohiorepublican | February 20, 2008, 11:26 am 11:26 am
I love all the posts about how the party will be destroyed and the country will be doomed if Obama is elected. Do we forget who is President now? You really think Obama is going to do worse? All of you that say you will vote for McCain if Obama is the nominee, you are voting for 4 more years of war. Most of America is sick of this war and Obama will beat McCain in a landslide.
Posted by: Jason | February 20, 2008, 11:27 am 11:27 am
Let me advise Clinton supporters: By going negative, you’re doing nothing but helping Obama make his major point about change–that old school politics is divisive, cold-hearted and out-dated and a new politics is needed. You don’t have to keep taking cheap shots in this campaign race. It’s not too late to show that your candidate is not the ruthless monster-politician of old who’ll do anything and say anything to elected. You still have another choice–be nice–but your time is running out.
Posted by: Marcus Watson | February 20, 2008, 11:28 am 11:28 am
To beat McCain , Obama has to have a history, and it must be good. Every thing will come out. Obama is a man without history, only corruption. McCain will send macaca back to Kenya, to eat bananas.
Posted by: Latasha | February 20, 2008, 11:31 am 11:31 am
Clinton = mud-slinging, not solutions.
I’m tired of same dirty cheating old politics.
Posted by: sick of hillary's bottom of the barrell tactics | February 20, 2008, 11:32 am 11:32 am
after reading these comments, i am more convinced that Obama will not win the nomination b/c of racism in this country. as a white person, i understand the advantages i have due to my family’s wealth and eduction. i am still amazed that for whites that are middle class and poor, we still stick to our whiteness at the demise of the country. the repub party does absolutely nothing for middle class and poor families and if you are white families in these category – why do you continuously vote for them. i am a mccain supporter b/c he will fall in line and reinforce the status quo and the military industrial complex. obama is not going to win the nomination b/c the clintons will bank on their whiteness and most of the superdelegates are white men. she has divided the dem party on gender, class, and race. it is really pathetic to see this and that most people do not want to admit it.
Posted by: greenlee2 | February 20, 2008, 11:32 am 11:32 am
People that live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.
Posted by: Daleri | February 20, 2008, 11:33 am 11:33 am
MARCUS — OBAMA PEOPLE CRITICIZE HILLARY ALL THE TIME. BUT WHEN SHE CRITICIZES HIM, SHE IS A “MONSTER.” IF OBAMA WERE CALLED A MONSTER, THE SPEAKER WOULD BE A RACIST. BUT IT’S OK COMING FROM HIS SUPPORTERS. WHAT HYPOCRITES.
Posted by: tony | February 20, 2008, 11:33 am 11:33 am
PLEASE OHIO and TEXAS vote for HILLARY we need a democrat that can win in November!!!!
Posted by: SusieT | February 20, 2008, 11:33 am 11:33 am
Change is the word of the day these days.
But change what? Change why? Change how? Change for the sake of change is meaningless and even destructive. The communists made change for change’s sake a political philosphy and see where that got them. Change on its own is an empty word and that’s just why politicians use it: They want you to fill this empty vessel of a word with whatever you have in mind.
I’d rather vote for a candidate who explains the issues and where they stand on them than vote for change.
Posted by: Carmella | February 20, 2008, 11:34 am 11:34 am
to tony:
MOVE ON was formed in 1996 to help Bill Clinton — the idea of the name was to “MOVE ON” when the Mnnica Lewinsky flap was taking over every news cycle and we needed as a country to just “Move On”—
The fact that the MOVE ON membership overwhelmingly voted to support Sen Obama over Sen Clinton shows just how far the country has moved on –
This has absolutely NO relationship to a 527 formed by a bunch of rich insiders to wastes millions on dollars trying to delay the inevitable –
Oh and yes the Clinton campaign knows nothing about it–
Right –
Move on–
Posted by: barbara | February 20, 2008, 11:35 am 11:35 am
OH PLEASE GREENLEAF GOOD 2 SHOES. I AM A BLACK MAN, AND I ENCOUNTER RACISM DIRECTLY. THE “BOYS” IN THE PARTY WANT OBAMA. PLAIN AND SIMPLE. THEY ARE SEXIST. AND it is not racist to criticize him. I am clearly not supporting Clinton out of racism. Duh.
Anyway, Obama is dividing the party too. Clinton wins among Latinos, Women, older and poor voters (blacks excluded). Why is Obama not dividing the party when his support is white, black, male, and young? Only Clinton is a divider. What crap!
Posted by: tony | February 20, 2008, 11:36 am 11:36 am
The thud you hear is Hillary Clinton’s character hitting rock bottom.
Posted by: jkbowman | February 20, 2008, 11:36 am 11:36 am
bonnie: I am 100% white. He is l/2 white American and l/2 Kenyan even though he was born in Hawaii. His father came from Kenya but went to college here then went back to Kenya. His mother divorced his father and married a man from Hawaii and he has a l/2 sister living in Hawaii. His mother is now deceased. Get a grip. Read his history. When I say 100% I mean black people that are only black, born and raised in this country and not mixed with Kenya. Kenya is not my country, America is my country and that’s the way I vote.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | February 20, 2008, 11:39 am 11:39 am
When you can’t win, go negative. Hillary can’t win and Mccain could not win a High Schoold Debate.
Posted by: knee capper | February 20, 2008, 11:39 am 11:39 am
It seems evident based on many of these comments that Obama’ victories have become problematic to Hillary supporters. Now, they must attack Obama outside of the campaign so that Hillary can remain blameless. (Not going to work) If this is the kind of candidate Hillary is, and she manages to steel the nomination through subversive mean, then I say it is better that McCain wins the Presidency. These type of tactics is the reason why so many Dems have moved away from her campaign. This is what Barack has been saying all of this time. Hillary’s campaign has become like scrambling roaches when the lights have been turned on.
Posted by: George | February 20, 2008, 11:39 am 11:39 am
Nothing can stop the sound of millions of voices calling for change.
We will prevail.
Obama 08.
Posted by: David | February 20, 2008, 11:40 am 11:40 am
Tony, its not that we’re afraid of critiquing. In fact, I think most of us believe that our right to voice our opinion is what makes this country great. What we have a problem with is when those critiques intentionally distort the truth and consequently cause voters to make a less informed decision.
Posted by: Blake | February 20, 2008, 11:40 am 11:40 am
I am an American living in the UAE. It is sad to see how tied up Americans still are with race and national origin. I would like to see Obama’s plan extended to require all Americans to spend at least 6-12 months overseas as part of the Peace Corps or similar. It would only help to stem the narrow-mindedness and arrogance in many American’s attitudes.
It is al sad to see our country degraded to this level. I have more trust, faith and confidence in the dictatorship here than I do in America. There is little to be proud of.
Posted by: L. Post | February 20, 2008, 11:41 am 11:41 am
REALITY CHECK: Obama won’t admit he’s Muslim for the same reason I won’t admit I’m black – because neither statement is true. He wasn’t raised in Kenya. Where do these moronic statements come from? I guess the same mentality that elected Bush the Uniter twice?
Hillary would run the gov the same way she has run her campaign – losing money, losing ground, and nastily. Another great Uniter like Bush.
Polls show Hillary losing to McCain, and Obama beating McCain.
As for experience – try the facts, they are ever so useful.
All the lies about Obama have been proven to be the lies they are. All the liars show themselves for what they are… ignorant or merely liars.
Thankfully the US has awakened from the nightmare of our current administration and is supporting an intelligent candidate that CAN and HAS made a difference already. That candidate is Barack Obama – who continues to show us the best politics has to offers.
The dogs bark but the caravan moves on.
It’s SO REFRESHING to have someone who can speak eloquently and still be a positive force for change.
The days of the fear mongers and liars are coming to a close.
And I can hardly wait to see how the media changes to catch up with the public demand for a more honest America.
Posted by: ByTheSeaWA | February 20, 2008, 11:43 am 11:43 am
Maybe this is a start for a run as a 3rd party. Split the Dem party up and Clinton can run as a 3rd party. Start a new party.
Posted by: Kefa | February 20, 2008, 11:44 am 11:44 am
J: You are so right in everything you said. Obama belongs to a church on the Southside of Chicago that does not cater to whites. If people really belive he likes the whites they better get real, he is using them for the votes and they are suckered up by his fake and fraud speeches written by Patrick. Changes? What changes. His word change means changing a white president to a black president and having Patrick as his VP. Can you imagine them in the white house for many years. First Obama then later Patrick. Obama wanted to compare himself to JFK and MLK so if that’s the case then let him take the fall.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | February 20, 2008, 11:44 am 11:44 am
NO one entity has done more to further Obama mania than the media. They have remained his ally throughout and as in so many elections before, will determine the outcome of this race. What’s even more compelling are the stories that they choose to ignore.
Posted by: newsworthy | February 20, 2008, 11:45 am 11:45 am
does anyone have a link to the web address so that i can donate?
Posted by: divabunny | February 20, 2008, 11:45 am 11:45 am
Please people, speak the truth regarless of your positions and your views. Try to see them from an objective way.
To Tom (Feb 20, 2008 11:15:59 AM) What are you talking about? Mrs. Obama isn’t ashamed of USA. She is now really proud because young voters are coming out in record number. We talk about Democracty all the time, but if people don’t vote, it is not a Democracy.
To cbeargal (Feb 20, 2008 11:15:56 AM) Obama it isn’t 100% American? He was born in Hawaii and only lived abroad when he was very young. I rather prefer a McCain or Obama that have spent time abroad before a Bush that never traveled abroad before becoming president. McCain was born outside the US states and only considered as US citizenship because it was a military base. No wonder why higly educated people LOVE Obama, because he speaks the truth instead of people that don’t even listen to him because of his name.
Posted by: Jose Sanchez | February 20, 2008, 11:45 am 11:45 am
JOSE – MICHELLE IS PROUD BECAUSE SHE MIGHT GET IN THE WHITE HOUSE. I CALL THAT GREEDY NARCISSISM.
Posted by: tony | February 20, 2008, 11:46 am 11:46 am
B.O.
Please say something original and clarify what your positions are with some level of detail or you will be haunted in the end. Waving the unity flag is not enough for a campaign
in this age of the internet.
thanks,
S.B.
Posted by: saxbob | February 20, 2008, 11:48 am 11:48 am
BytheSea: Ready your history on Obama, he was still in Kenya at the age of 10. Get a grip. Before he came back to the United States he lived in Indonesia then Kenya then back here. Where did you get the idea he was raised here all his life.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | February 20, 2008, 11:48 am 11:48 am
tony – i agree w/ you obama will not win b/c of racism. every ethnic group endorses stereotypes about each other. just look at the comments in this blog. do you really think that white people are going to give up power in this country. do you think that other ethnic groups that also endorse negative stereotypes about black people are going to vote for obama? the clintons are getting ready to steal this election and mccain is going to win. why is he going to win? after the clintons race bait whites, latinos, asians and others, the most loyal base in the dem party will stay at home or a greater percentage will vote for mccain-black people. hillary is a divider and she will not win a red state including fl and tx in the general election.
Posted by: greenlee2 | February 20, 2008, 11:49 am 11:49 am
L. POST. GET A LIFE. OPPOSING OBAMA IS NOT RACIST. I AM A BLACK MAN AND I OPPOSE HIM TOO. I AM TIRED OF PHONEY LIBERALS. YOU GUYS ARE PATHETIC.
Posted by: tony | February 20, 2008, 11:49 am 11:49 am
Swift Boat Veterans for Truth take two! The gradual Bushification of the Clintons has come full circle. So sad.
Posted by: Diane | February 20, 2008, 11:49 am 11:49 am
Experience, experience, experience… Why are some people so hung up on Hillary’s “tons of experience”? It seems to me that every President “We The People” have elected to date, has had lots and lots of experience. It’s pretty clear that experience does little to bring change or creative problem solving to the Presidency, in fact, some pretty “experienced” people have really screwed this country up.
Hillary’s “over 30 years of experience” does not impress me – the way her campaign has turned sour in her desperation does. Obama has plenty of experience to breath things like creativity, imagination, and unity into this nation. Things like that just exist inside of a person. Hillary is a polarizing force, and she was before Obama came along. Democrats would not have had a chance of winning back the White House against the Republicans with her as their candidate. With Obama we have a chance.
If you are one of (the few by comparison) people who insist that you won’t vote for Obama if he wins the nomination, then your vote is done is spite, and you really could care less about things like ending the war in Iraq and making change. Just quit your crying, shut up, and go sit down… We’ll carry on this democracy without you.
Posted by: LaRae | February 20, 2008, 11:49 am 11:49 am
to tony:
MOVE ON was formed in 1996 to help Bill Clinton — the idea of the name was to “MOVE ON” when the Mnnica Lewinsky flap was taking over every news cycle and we needed as a country to just “Move On”—
The fact that the MOVE ON membership overwhelmingly voted to support Sen Obama over Sen Clinton shows just how far the country has moved on –
This has absolutely NO relationship to a 527 formed by a bunch of rich insiders to wastes millions on dollars trying to delay the inevitable –
Oh and yes the Clinton campaign knows nothing about it–
Right –
Move on–
Posted by: barbara | February 20, 2008, 11:50 am 11:50 am
SusieT-
Have you not seen the polls that show Obama beating McCain in November, and Hillary losing to him?
I think both Obama and Clinton would be good presidents. However, Clinton’s “experience” ploy works both ways–her history is fairly negative, and she is a divisive figure in this country, in part through no fault of her own.
This race will be won in the middle, and moderate voters aren’t going to vote for her in the general election–McCain will get those votes. Obama’s broader appeal, however, will thwart McCain’s success in the political center.
If we Democrats want the White House for the next 4-8 years, we need to get behind Obama.
Posted by: Brian | February 20, 2008, 11:50 am 11:50 am
Obama pledges not to raise the retirement age and to “protect Social Security benefits for current and future beneficiaries.” He would also exempt all retirees making less than $50,000 annually from income tax. By his math, that would provide average tax relief of $1,400 to 7 million retirees — shifting more of the tax burden onto younger workers. IS THIS THE CHANGE YOU WANT?
Posted by: Christine | February 20, 2008, 11:50 am 11:50 am
ALL THOSE WHO SAY THAT IN THE PAST THEY’VE ALWAYS VOTED REPUBLICAN AND NOW THEY WILL VOTE FOR OBAMA ARE LIARS!!!!! THESE ARE THE REPUBLICANS WHO’VE BEEN SCREWING THE PRIMARY ELECTIONS… KNOWING THAT MCCAIN’S NOMINATION IS ALREADY SEWN UP, THEY VOTE FOR OBAMA IN ORDER TO VOTE OUT HILLARY, THE STRONGER CANDIDATE. THEY WILL NOT VOTE FOR HIM, HOWEVER, IN NOVEMBER, AND THAT WOULD BE THE RUDE AWAKENING FOR THE OBAMANITES.
Posted by: DMK | February 20, 2008, 11:50 am 11:50 am
This is so weak. Can’t beat ‘em, smear ‘em. McCain/Clinton 08! BTW: How is McCain a war hero. Honestly, he went to war to be like Daddy and Granpa. He was a POW. Nothting wrong with that. But what made him a hero???
Posted by: ByeHillary | February 20, 2008, 11:53 am 11:53 am
More desperate ploys, more nasty attacks, how will she recover and hold herself worthy after all this. How can we present her to the world as our leader? Is this how we want to be represented? I think not! Time to go home Hillary. We have seen enough.
Posted by: Maverick | February 20, 2008, 11:53 am 11:53 am
You know … given the recent political climate, and the results of the 2006 mid-terms, I felt sure that even the Deomcrats wouldn’t be able to blow this election. But it looks like they will manage.
Credit where credit is due, I guess. I’m not a huge McCain fan, but I guess we could do worse…
Posted by: DC | February 20, 2008, 11:55 am 11:55 am
Why are they considered dirty tactics, because they’re pointing out specific differences? In what way shape or form, is that negative? It is what it is.
Posted by: Lex | February 20, 2008, 11:56 am 11:56 am
It is really telling to see people posting comments criticizing “hope” and “change”. What, may I ask, is the alternative? Hopeless and same old? People are trying to make it seem like optimism and trying to do better is a bad thing. If you really believe that we don’t need “hope” and “change”, then you should probably change your party affiliation to republican. Since without “change” we will just be repeating history.
People are not as stupid as these 527 groups think they are. Do you honestly believe they have no connection to the Hillary Campaign? I’m curious how many of those people have seen fund raising efforts by the Clintons on their behalf in the past, or have been promised it for the future. This kind of politics is what has given people hopeless and cynical views of our government and its practices. That is why we need a president who is willing to go against the grain as far as the “business as usual”. I ask again, if “hope” and “change” are so bad, what is the alternative?
Posted by: justme | February 20, 2008, 11:56 am 11:56 am
Thank 527, hope that it can bring people out of the dangerous dream. Keep fighting Hillary. Don’t let the evil force win the world. Don’t give Obama the chance to screw up this country for another 4 years.
Posted by: ironroof | February 20, 2008, 11:56 am 11:56 am
Now, we are in the 21 century and American people want to play a game of healing a nation and tolerance. The chauvinist racist group like 527 does not have a thinny place in the much advanced mentality of American people.
Some people also want to downplay the inspirational speech of Obama on change. There are a lot of ideas as to what he is going to change? In my view, bringing soldier from Iraq and saving millions of American tax money is a big change. By reducing the cost of health insurance and subsidizing it is a big change. changing a global image of America by solving conflict through the civilized culture of dialigue is a big change? leading world on world issues like global warming is change? You racist whatelse do you need to bring change?
America will look forward, may God bless America.
Posted by: gufu | February 20, 2008, 11:57 am 11:57 am
Mariann Pepitone – if you researched the church, you would know that it is part of a white denomination-the united church of Christ. i investigated the church b/c i just do not take what the media states and repub blogs. think about where do black people learn about their history. i do not have a problem with a black church or any church that tries to solve problems in the black community. i checked the census track data around this church and it is in a poor area. they have a lot of programs that help people. if these churches are doing the work that my tax dollars do not have to pay for, i am fine with it. again, racism will always prevail b/c we as white people are not going to share or give up our control. that is a fact. go mccain!!
Posted by: greenlee2 | February 20, 2008, 11:57 am 11:57 am
Oh surprise, surprise.
Now the Clintons have a swift-boat strategy. You can smell the desperation from these slime-merchants.
“Accepting $100,000.00 donations…”
Gee, I wonder who her supporters are?
Posted by: mg | February 20, 2008, 11:59 am 11:59 am
The Clintons can’t win on the merits so they change the rules, reinterpret the rules, whatever. They can’t con Democratic voters to see past the slime in which they’ve enveloped themselves, so they try to slime someone else. They run an incompetent campaign run by Republican sympathizers and blame their opponent. They get wiped out in state after state across the country in blue states, red states and everywhere in between, then say that those victories don’t matter. They are competing for the Democratic Party nomination. It is not the Clinton Party. The Clintons have never been as popular as they think. Bill never won a majority of the popular vote and destroyed congressional and state Democrats throughout the country while he was President. The egomaniacal Clintons need to move on.
Posted by: Kevin | February 20, 2008, 11:59 am 11:59 am
JUSTME – NO ONE IS CRITICIZING HOPE AND CHANGE. THAT’S JUST AS STUPID AS THE OBAMANIA. EVERYONE HAS HOPE AND CHANGE. WE GET UP AND WORK EVERYDAY. WE RAISE OUR KIDS. WE JOIN CIVIC ORGANIZATIONS. GIVE ME A BREAK. OBAMA IS NOT THE INVENTOR OF HOPE. AND IT IS INSULTING FOR YOU TO SUGGEST THAT OPPOSING HIM AND HIS EMPTY RHETORIC IS A VOTE AGAINST HOPE OR CHANGE. THIS IS NARCISSISTIC: ONLY THE GREAT OBAMA CAN INSPIRE HOPE. WHAT A JOKE. ONLY PEOPLE WITH MISERABLE LIVES BELIEVE THIS. I DONT NEED A DIVINE FIGURE TO SPRINKLE HOPE ON ME. I NEED POLICY.
Posted by: tony | February 20, 2008, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm
“Great news. Its about time some people see through all this inspirational and hope crap. This has been the biggest joke if I ever saw one.”
Posted by: ErwinNJ | February 20, 2008, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm
Obama is very charismatic but this campaign should be won on issues alone. His personality campaign is reminiscent of the one that propelled W. into office twice.
Obama’s health care plan will not create the unviersal coverage we need. It is not a progressive plan. It costs more than Hillary’s plan and insures fewer people. Obama does not force people to get health care. So someone could potentially walk in when their dying, get care, and jack up the prices for the rest of us.
Posted by: Lana | February 20, 2008, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm
What Are Some Characteristics of a Cult and Obama supporters.
Uses thought reform techniques
Uses deception in recruiting and/or fund raising
Promotes dependence of the members on the group
Uses mind altering techniques (chanting, various forms of repetitive actions) to stop normal critical thinking
Appear exclusive and innovative
Charismatic or messianic leader who is self-appointed and has a special mission in life
Controls the flow of information
Instills a fear of leaving the group.
Posted by: Pat | February 20, 2008, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm
I pity the fool who falls for the Clinton’s dirty tricks.
You really want 4 more years of division, deceit and distortion?
These rich donors aren’t going to buy Hillary Ohio or Texas. Just look at the landslide in Wisconsin. That’s what your going to see on March 4.
It’s over!
Posted by: Kansas Jack | February 20, 2008, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm
ALL THOSE WHO SAY THAT IN THE PAST THEY’VE ALWAYS VOTED REPUBLICAN AND NOW THEY WILL VOTE FOR OBAMA ARE LIARS!!!!! THESE ARE THE REPUBLICANS WHO’VE BEEN SCREWING THE PRIMARY ELECTIONS… KNOWING THAT MCCAIN’S NOMINATION IS ALREADY SEWN UP, THEY VOTE FOR OBAMA IN ORDER TO VOTE OUT HILLARY, THE STRONGER CANDIDATE. THEY WILL NOT VOTE FOR HIM, HOWEVER, IN NOVEMBER, AND THAT WOULD BE THE RUDE AWAKENING FOR THE OBAMANITES.
Posted by: DMK | February 20, 2008, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm
Pro Clinton politicos are setting up this group/support! Surprise people it is supporter that do the supporting. Just because the news media says it’s bad because it’s for Hillary doesn’t make it so since they can only find fault. If you look at the spread when Obama leads you will see his margin is from independents’ and young voters who are not the true democrat base. The base still supports Clinton. If Clinton should lose to the newbie’s on the scene it does not bode well for the real election in November. Obama is a slippery slippery slide. Be careful America you may find yourself in the rabbit hole of the republicans again.
Posted by: rab5700 | February 20, 2008, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm
Tony- I did not say that Obama is the only source of hope and change in the country. However, I do feel that he does a better job of representing it than the other candidates. It would be refreshing if the other sides took the same tact though. But the truth is, people are criticizing hope and change. The fact that Clinton is attacking his speach giving style more than his actual policies is clear evidence of this fact. If you would read other comments posted you will see other people referring to his hope and change as “crap”. Sounds like criticism to me. So again I ask, what is the alternative to “hope” and “change”?
Posted by: justme | February 20, 2008, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm
Reeks of desperation. She’s finished.
Posted by: Howard B. | February 20, 2008, 12:06 pm 12:06 pm
Was for Hillary since Bill started to run for Prez in Arkansas in 1989.
Changed over after Bill played Karl Rove in SC. and they began swift boating Obama
So I voted for Mr. Obama.
Don’t believe the CR_P that only Blacks and the rich vote for Obama,
I’m a serious horse rancher in New Mexico, not a yuppie or Black guy in the city.
WE need a REAL change and Obama is the only one.
McCain is another Bush… and frankly so is Hillary, she’s clearly proved it the past few weeks. Dirty, Dirty, politics.
How can Hillary supporters pretend that she can’t control what her husband says?
If she can’t even control her own husband, how can she control the world’s problems?
Posted by: RANCHER | February 20, 2008, 12:06 pm 12:06 pm
Seriously. Calling us a “cult” just shows your true desperation of having blundered this campaign.
I am an Obama supporter and by no means do I belong to a Cult.
This is just plain silly, childish and very transparent.
You fear real change. Sorry. Again, the truth hurts.
You lost. Retain some dignity at least.
Posted by: ErwinNJ | February 20, 2008, 12:06 pm 12:06 pm
No DMK-
There are actual Republicans who are tired of the hyper-partisanship that came with both the Clinton and Bush administrations and think Obama would be able to get past that.
I’m a Democrat who thinks that McCain could get past that as well. I’d be quite content with a McCain-Obama race and either in the White House.
Posted by: DMK is wrong | February 20, 2008, 12:06 pm 12:06 pm
Why is John McCain so eager to go head to head with Obama compared to Hillary? Answer: Because Obama is easier to beat. His liberal voting record, comments by his wife, his health plan that delays universal coverage by another administration, and the vacuum he will create by bailing from Iraq will all be campaign fodder for McCain.
Posted by: Lana | February 20, 2008, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm
Pat – isn’t that a description for GW2 – the worst president ever!!
Posted by: greenlee2 | February 20, 2008, 12:09 pm 12:09 pm
RANCHER – I DONT THINK PEOPLE CONTROL THEIR SPOUSES. WHAT KIND OF MARRIAGE DO YOU HAVE?
ANYWAY, WAS OBAMA CONTROLLING MICHELLE WHEN SHE MADE THAT GAFFE YESTERDAY?
Posted by: tony | February 20, 2008, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm
Here’s a little “527″ that I remember…
1. Bill sold military secrets to the Chinese government for campaign contributions
2. Did not strongly respond to any acts of terrorism (unless you call lobbing a bomb at a baby milk factory the night before the impeachment vote a response)
3. Bold faced lied to ALL OF US
4. Degraded and sexually (but not within “HIS” terms of having sex) abused women.
5. Fired travel office employees and then proceeded to sick the justice department on them with trumped up charges. Once in court the jury found them not-guilty within minutes of deliberating.
6. Collected over 900 (not 300) FBI files of political opponents (I remember when someone went to jail for one file)
7. Hillary had the billing records in the residence (with her finger prints all over them) even though they were requested months before by the Justice Department
8. All the murders (oh, I mean suicides) associated with the Clintons. Obama if you are the presidential nomination, please do not choose Hillary as VP if you want to live. You could be the result of a suicide in Fort Marcy Park.
9. Turned a $1,000 investment into $100,000 by reading the Wall Street Journal. (Seasoned trades people do not do this, how can a inexperienced person do this?, just wish I could this with my measly amount 401K)
10. Waco – innocent women and children died because of the Clintons and Janet Reno. They were burned to death.
11. Chinese money laundering – we also see that with Clinton 2 now. How can a dishwasher making $30,000 a year donate thousands of dollars?
12. The stealing of White House belongings. Yea she gave them back – only because she was caught.
13. Taking the most hallowed room in the White House, the Lincoln bedroom and “renting” it out.
I can go on and on.
This woman is so corrupt. We should all be sick and tired of the Clintons During Clinton 1 if people would just take the time to remember:
Do we really want this again? NOT ME!
Seeing people fall over themselves to try and get this clan back in the White House makes me think of a part of the Declaration of Independence that is so fitting to this time in our nations history.
“But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.”
For my part I think Clinton and McCain both are “such Government” and it’s time for the New Guard to move in.
Obama ’08
Posted by: Paul | February 20, 2008, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm
It is amazing to me how any middle class working folks who are hillary clinton supporter would want to put that lying polarizing woman in office? The same women who voted for this war in Iraq which is responsible for thousands of deaths and why our economy is a recession because of the billions of dollars wasted over there and lost jobs, the same women who voted for the bankruptcy bill because she is in the pockets of the banks/lobbyists, the same women who’s husband supported NAFTA who is responsible for the thousands of jobs and factories shipped overseas… Why would you want to put that woman who is clearly the biggest fraud out there. I am glad people are waking up. And if they attack obama again, obama will retaliate again with more evidence of her skeletons
Posted by: Nonie | February 20, 2008, 12:11 pm 12:11 pm
I believe in Clinton. I spare my few dollars from the tight budget to donate for her. It’s an investment for my future. I need her help. I need the universal healthcare.
I know she won’t give up because she really want to help us. I don’t like that the media doesn’t give a fair fight to these candidate. they are always pro-Obama.
Posted by: joeysky | February 20, 2008, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm
Just for the record…MoveOn did not poll its members; it took a convenience sample of fewer than 15% of its members and made a decision to endorse Obama. This decision has eviscerated any power it may subsequently have during the election cycle; everything it says and does wil be considered through the prism of its endorsement. Secondly: it saddens me, a Caucasian, female, 65+ years of age to see the venom and personal focus of these attacks. If we could have a discussion of policy our electorate would be much better informed and capable of making wise choices.
Posted by: barbara | February 20, 2008, 12:13 pm 12:13 pm
Obama’s supportersgot loads of excuses for everything this man says or does.
There is always a legitimate excuse.
All of Clinton’s excuses are lies.
Any distortion on Obama – bring up 1992
Any lie he is caught in – bring up tax returns for Hillary
Any invention he creates that is not true – call out the racism card
Nothing anyone says or does – no proof – no statements – no docs – no recordings – nothing, nothing is ever going to be enough to make these people reexamine their trust in someone they didn’t even know drew breath 18 months ago.
Where are your Critical thinking skills?The purpose of critical thinking is to get us involved in a dialogue with the ideas we hear so that we can analize and evaluate them, why don’t you listen?
Posted by: Patty | February 20, 2008, 12:14 pm 12:14 pm
HILLARY’S WEBSITE ADMITS WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH GLOBALIZATION, BUT HER ONLY SOLUTION IS TO APPOINT A TRADE CZAR TO ENFORCE NAFTA AND OTHER TRADE AGREEMENTS, WHICH WERE PUT IN PLACE BY BILL CLINTON. BUT OBAMA’S SITE SPELLS OUT THE FOLLOWING PLAN ON TRADE: … trade with foreign nations should strengthen the American economy and create more American jobs. He will stand firm against agreements that undermine our economic security. • Fight for Fair Trade: Obama will fight for a trade policy that opens up foreign markets to support good American jobs. He will use trade agreements to spread good labor and environmental standards around the world and stand firm against agreements like the Central American Free Trade Agreement that fail to live up to those important benchmarks. Obama will also pressure the World Trade Organization to enforce trade agreements and stop countries from continuing unfair government subsidies to foreign exporters and nontariff barriers on U.S. exports. Amend the North American Free Trade Agreement: Obama believes that NAFTA and its potential were oversold to the American people. Obama will work with the leaders of Canada and Mexico to fix NAFTA so that it works for American workers. Improve Transition Assistance: To help all workers adapt to a rapidly changing economy, Obama would update the existing system of Trade Adjustment Assistance by extending it to service industries, creating flexible education accounts to help workers retrain, and providing retraining assistance for workers in sectors of the economy vulnerable to dislocation before they lose their jobs.—SO WHICH CANDIDATE HAS SOLUTIONS?
Posted by: NadaSpin3 | February 20, 2008, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm
I hope they call me to try to sway my vote, and I will tell them “It’s too late, I already voted for Obama, the best choice this country has” I am a white woman and I am for Obama!!!
Posted by: Jodi Mom | February 20, 2008, 12:16 pm 12:16 pm
Ya know I see posts here and elsewhere where everyone is bashing Michelle Obama for her comment about being “proud for the first time in her adult life”. Like her most of my adult life this country has been run by either the Bush’s or the Clinton(s)…I know where she is coming from. I’ve felt pride in things that fellow Americans have done, our soldiers, NY and D.C. emergency services after the towers and the Pentagon attacks etc. Actually being “proud” of what our “country” has done is a feeling I haven’t had in a long time either. Rhetoric or not, Obama has instilled a sense of pride in my country again.
Posted by: Paul | February 20, 2008, 12:16 pm 12:16 pm
JUSTME — I am not proposing an alternative to “hope” and “change.” I am saying that these concepts on their own are empty. Unless you are George Bush, there will be change. The question that we are asking is “what” change? Ross Perot would be a change. Dennis Kucinich would be change. Al Sharpton would be change. Even Bill Clinton would be a change — in fact, it would require a change in the constitution for him to get elected. What is frustrating is that people take “change” and “hope” as ends unto themselves, which demonstrates a troubling level of political immaturity. I am just as frustrated with Republican politics as all loyal Democrats. But I want a candidate who has concrete policies for change — not amorphous slogans.
Posted by: tony | February 20, 2008, 12:16 pm 12:16 pm
Obama is no saint. Obama is no Messiah.
Obama IS a candidate that can reach across the aisle and get things done.
He is an opportunity to create a majority that will make real change possible.
We are not a cult. We are people anxious to turn the page on the stink in Washington and move our country forward.
That is what Obama represents and why he is getting such huge support.
Since Super Tuesday, Obama has won convincingly. Double-digit wins in EVERY win. 10 in a row.
That speaks volumes.
I think that at this point in the race, Hillary needs to step aside so that we can unite and win in November.
If Hillary were ahead, I would be saying the same thing of Obama.
It is the splintering and bickering within the party that is putting us at risk here.
Posted by: ErwinNJ | February 20, 2008, 12:18 pm 12:18 pm
Excuse me Paul, but Michelle is not child. She has had other moments than Bush or Clinton. Besides, there were some great moments in the Clinton presidency as well. It is an overstatement to characterize all of the past as uniformly awful. I think this country’s political structure is pathetic, but her saying she is only now proud is a political blunder. Of course, because her last name is Obama, she is beyond criticism. Had Clinton said that, she would have been burned at the stake.
Posted by: tony | February 20, 2008, 12:19 pm 12:19 pm
Now comes the 527 group to support ole Hill. Guess those folks can’t understand anymore than her immediate advisors that she is losing bigtime. They all must have so much money to
waste! Just let a dying dog (so to speak) die with dignity. Just let the Clinton’s fade into the sunset!
Posted by: DaveCoats in MI | February 20, 2008, 12:20 pm 12:20 pm
During the first eight years of Senator Obama’s elected service he sponsored over 820 bills. He introduced:233 regarding healthcare reform,125 on poverty and public assistance,112 crime fighting bills,97 economic bills,60 human rights and anti-discrimination bills,21 ethics reform bills,15 gun control,6 veterans affairs and many others.His first year in the U.S. Senate, he authored 152 bills and co-sponsored another 427. These included:- the Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006 (became law),- The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act, (became law),- The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act, passed the Senate,- The 2007 Government Ethics Bill, (became law),- The Protection Against Excessive Executive Compensation Bill, (In committee) Senator Clinton — Senator Clinton’s, who has served only one full term (6yrs.), and another year campaigning, has managed to author and pass into law, (20) twenty pieces of legislation.
Posted by: NadaSpin3 | February 20, 2008, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm
I have to admit when I first learned that Hilary was going to run I was excited. But the longer this goes on the more respect for her i lose. All she’s going to manage to do is to degrade the democratic party. Shes already proved shell do anything to win, and if that doesnt work, she’ll cry. No man would have gotten away with that and neither should she. If she gets the nomination i will have to do something i truly hate, vote for McCain.
Posted by: jenny | February 20, 2008, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm
The ALP resume reads like a list of lost campaigns and unimportant backseat positions. LOL good luck ALP.
Posted by: p401b | February 20, 2008, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm
she is losing bigtime
less then 200K votes isn’t big time. more Obama facts? LOL
count fl and Mi and Hillary kills.
FYI – they will have to count them, it violates their constituional rights not to. ROFL!
Posted by: eleven22 | February 20, 2008, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm
Both Hillary and McCain make the claim that Obama does not have foreign relations experience. I looked up his committee memberships in the Senate:
• Committee on Foreign Relations
• Subcommittee on African Affairs
• Subcommittee on International Economic Policy
• Subcommittee on Asians and Pacific Affairs
• Committee on Veterans’ Affairs
• Committee on Health, Education, Labor & Pensions
• Committee on Homeland Security & Governmental Affairs
Posted by: NadaSpin3 | February 20, 2008, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm
Oh my goodness..Oh so the big bad pro-clinton 537 is going to try and swiftboat Obama..BRING IT ON..Obama has so much money, support and HONESTY on his side that he will have a rebuttal ad within hours to expose hillary for the LYING CORRUPT politician that she is.
People are SICK AND TIRED of these political games..Don’t believe me? Just look at the results of the past 10 lobsided contests. She got beat BADLY and it is only going to get worse the more you attack obama. People have finally woken up to the games these politicans play. Clinton is pure trash and all you clinton supporters have been so blinded by your undying committment to her that it has clouded your judgment..SHE IS CORRUPT!!! SHE IS A LIAR!!! SHE IS IN THE POCKETS OF LOBBYISTS AND SPECIAL INTERESTS!! She is willing to put her own selfish interests ahead of what the AMERICAN PEOPLE want. And overwhelming of us DO NOT WANT ANOTHER CLINTON IN THE WHITE HOUSE!!!
When are you folks going to wake up to see that she is part of the problem that is happening right now in washington. She is another BUSH clone but in a skirt. I am a lifelong democrat and I look at her as somebody I DON”T TRUST!! I dont’ trust anything that comes out of her mouth. Why won’t she release her taxes to us? What the heck is she hiding?
OBama is a CIVIL RIGHTS attorney who is fighting for the middle class as a legistlator in illinois and on the streets of chicago. He knows what its like to be poor and knows the laws with regards to our civil rights. As president he will continue fighting for us. We have lost our voice because of how this government has put us on the backburner because of lobbyists and special interests. He is fighting for us and that is the type of president I want. Somebody who is going to be straight with me even if it’s bad news or something I don’t agree with him. At least I know he is coming straight instead of lying corrupt politicians that have dominated washington for decades.
Posted by: Lori | February 20, 2008, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm
One of the many things that has turned me off on Obama is the hatred that motivates so many of his followers. Facts and reason don’t seem to have any effect on them. For my whole life I have voted for Democratic party candidates, but not any more. If Obama is the nominee, I’ll walk.
Posted by: PlainWords | February 20, 2008, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm
Hillary Clinton and the Clinton monarchy should be humane enough to accept the rejection this time by the American people. Every smart mind knows that the Clinton ticket is for the Clintons and not for the Americans. Americans demand change from the old politics of “bussiness as usual”, which Hillary epitomizes. Enough of the George Bushes and the Clintons.
Posted by: Jacabe | February 20, 2008, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm
Hey NadaSpin3,
The subcommittee Obama is head of (Foreign Relations Committee on European Affairs), has NOT been called to meet A SINGLE time in the 2 years he has been its lead.
Maybe you should do your research a little better.
Posted by: polcrzy | February 20, 2008, 12:34 pm 12:34 pm
Hey NadaSpin3,
The subcommittee Obama is head of (Foreign Relations Committee on European Affairs), has NOT been called to meet A SINGLE time in the 2 years he has been its lead.
Maybe you should do your research a little better.
Posted by: polcrzy | February 20, 2008, 12:34 pm 12:34 pm
Reading all these comments by all OBAMA haters really makes me sick! I am going to say what I said earlier on this blog; Bush father, Bush son, Clinton Husband and wife will make up a total of 28 years in power!(WHEN I TURN 28, THERE WILL BE A CLINTON OR A BUSH IN POWER) I guess Americans seem to be very confortable with it. Having two families monopolize power for so long is not funny at all. America is not a DEMOCRACY!
Posted by: JohnSaulnier | February 20, 2008, 12:34 pm 12:34 pm
SOUNDS LIKE THE REALITY OF WHAT THE CLINTONS ARE REALLY ALL ABOUT IS NOW IN OUR FACE…SO DON’T GET IT TWISTED, THEY ARE SQUARELY BEHIND THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SMEAR GROUP, SUMMONING THEIR CHRONIES TO BATTLE…under the guise of a non-profit group! “What a fairytale!” The same allegiance of chronies that were the architects of his defense from the Arkansas to the White House sex scandals & impeachment hearings…creating a cloak of LIES for a decade, that kept Americans from lynching Bill in the nearest public square. And who but his co-conspirator next to him all the way, “faking emotions” and pointing that infamous Clinton finger…HILLARY! Like Hillary, Bill & their chronies, when they point that finger…dive for cover America…some manure and LIES is headed your way!
Posted by: jay | February 20, 2008, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm
Let’s watch and see how this plays in Ohio. Have we gotten wise to the whole “swift boat” strategy. Let us hope so. The whole idea of 529s corrupts our political process. Just look at what happened in Tom Daschle in SD. He was outspent at a rate of better than 9 to 1. Most of it money spent by “independent” groups from outside the state. Basically buying the votes to give John Thune the seat.
Posted by: BooMan | February 20, 2008, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm
geez, there are plenty of angry voices out there.
marianne pepitone, you’re embarrassing yourself. do your candidate a favor and stop writing. doesn’t it make sense for us to elect someone who has actually lived in other countries and is of mixed lineage to lead? the world is getting smaller and smaller and we need a more worldly leader. someone who is capable of diplomacy.
if obama is in fact a member of the united church of Christ, it’s the same church as my brother, who is (drumroll)…white. i’ve been to their services, and there is a mix of different cultures. it’s not just white or black. the style of service is along the lines of southern black churches (i suppose), with lots of worship (30 minutes or so of music before the actual service), and plenty of ‘amens’ from the people during readings.
stop being so narrow-minded in your attacks.
btw, that email message was debunked, regarding obama’s childhood. he is not a radical muslim. he is a man who has been raised with a working knowledge of more than one religion. i’d like a leader who realizes that the world has other citizens outside of the US, and that they don’t think exactly the same way as us.
‘be the change you wish to see’ – gandhi.
Posted by: joe b | February 20, 2008, 12:43 pm 12:43 pm
I have to admit when I first learned that Hilary was going to run I was excited. But the longer this goes on the more respect for her i lose. All she’s going to manage to do is to degrade the democratic party. Shes already proved shell do anything to win, and if that doesnt work, she’ll cry. No man would have gotten away with that and neither should she. If she gets the nomination i will have to do something i truly hate, vote for McCain.
Posted by: jenny | February 20, 2008, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm
Obama Senate Committees:
• Member, Senate Committee on Foreign Relations
• Chairman, Subcommittee on European Affairs
• Member, Subcommittee on African Affairs
• Member, Subcommittee on East Asian and Pacific Affairs
• Member, Subcommittee on International Development and Foreign Assistance, Economic Affairs and International Environmental Protection
• Member, Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions
• Member, Subcommittee on Children and Families
• Member, Subcommittee on Employment and Workplace Safety
• Member, Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs
• Member, Subcommittee on Ad Hoc Subcommittee on State, Local, and Private Sector Preparedness and Integration
• Member, Subcommittee on Investigations
• Member, Subcommittee on Federal Financial Management, Government Information, Federal Services, and International Security
• Member, Senate Committee on Veterans’ Affairs
Hillary Senate Committees:
• Member, Senate Committee on Armed Services
• Member, Subcommittee on Airland
• Member, Subcommittee on Emerging Threats and Capabilities
• Member, Subcommittee on Readiness and Management Support
• Member, Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works
• Chairman, Subcommittee on Superfund and Environmental Health
• Member, Subcommittee on Clean Air and Nuclear Safety
• Member, Subcommittee on Transportation and Infrastructure
• Member, Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions
• Member, Subcommittee on Children and Families
• Member, Subcommittee on Employment and Workplace Safety
• Member, Senate Special Committee on Aging
Posted by: NadaSpin3 | February 20, 2008, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm
Do we want a cry baby in charge? Just imagine if Hillary wins the nomination what the republican adds will be like. Here’s one I would like to see, just picture this:
“How can she satisfy you when she can’t even satisfy her husband” Showing –>
Hillary in the forground pointing her finger and Monica in the background smiling at Bill.
Now that would be a clasic, don’t you think?
;)
Posted by: Franky | February 20, 2008, 12:46 pm 12:46 pm
that cry baby comment below and others like it are sexist and have no place in the democratic party
Posted by: jedi mom | February 20, 2008, 12:54 pm 12:54 pm
When Democrat wins, most of things also change. Eventually US will pull out of Iraq no matter who will win. Obama inflate the word “change”. It makes the impression that there will be a completely new face to Washington. The true is, we are evolving all the times. If we have not changed then we are still in the civil wars and the minority won’t have the chance in the White House. What else Obama can change? And he hasn’t talked about what he will change.
He also said that he can unite people but so far he could not unite Hilllary’s supporters to get behind him. The red states still are red states. How will he do it? Again, he hasn’t talked about it for the whole year in his campaign. It is obvious that he did not have a slightly idea of how to achieve it.
Hope that God will open people eyes. Don’t let the evil force to conquer our lives.
Posted by: ironroof | February 20, 2008, 12:56 pm 12:56 pm
HA! Do you really belive that a Civil Rights LAWYER is going to be able to reach across party lines and make change happen in Washington in the next 4 years? Did you hear Obama when he said that change happens on the front lines- starting with the “little” people. That’s YOU. Your Vote to elect him is not your reversal of fortune. You are. I hope you all live long enough to fully recogize that potential.
Posted by: Nat | February 20, 2008, 12:57 pm 12:57 pm
JohnSaulnier,
It’s actually slightly worse than that. Don’t forget that Bush Sr. was Vice President for 8 years before that.
I’m about to turn 43. The first presidential election I voted in was in 1984. Since BEFORE that there has been a Bush or a Clinton (and in 1992 both!) on the ballot and holding office.
Enough!
If Hillary should win, it could be that I would go from being a teenager to joining AARP with a Bush or Clinton in the White House or in the Administration.
Posted by: Jill | February 20, 2008, 12:58 pm 12:58 pm
I have a feeling “speeches are not action” is only the first of several themes. Others to follow:
“Don’t Worry, Once I’m Elected I Will Stop Being So Mean-Spirited And Divisive”
“Numbers Aren’t Everything. I’m Still Winning In My Own Mind.”
“Hello To The Five Remaining Hillary Supporters. Thanks For Nothing.”
“If I Melt After I Lose The Nomination, It Doesn’t Necessarily Mean I Am The Wicked Witch Of The East. It Could Merely Be A Coincidence.”
Posted by: Watcher | February 20, 2008, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm
Does anyone really think Obama can reunite America, plus make peace with other nations?
You can say Hilary brought the race issue into the election, but Obama is using it to win. By all media perspectives, we will continue to get a slanted view because anything said negative about Obama will become racist. However, anything said negative about Clinton is by no means consider sexist.
Obviously he is similar to JFK with the same speech writer. People remember speeches and are motivated with speeches, but with a country headed into a recession; will the speeches help your economy? Or your houses if you become hospitalized and end up with bills you cannot afford to pay?
No one in Canada is loosing their home due to medical bills.
Posted by: Renee | February 20, 2008, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm
There is nothing wrong with losing, even 10 states in a row. But there are loses and loses. You can lose and being competitive: Obama lost New Hampshire by 2 (two) points. Clinton loses Washington D.C. by 52 (fifty two) points. That is the problem. The reason: she is running a negative campaign based in trashing the opponent. People is tired of negativity and she seems unable to run a positive campaign and the stay competitive, even when losing. If you lose competitive you can build a comeback. Now she needs urgently a reality check to lose with dignity. Can she?
She has a job as NY Senator to keep her face. But she seems in a free fall. What a shame.
Posted by: J. Perez Acosta | February 20, 2008, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm
Jale
Mattis Glodman is a partner at Doak Carrier O’Donnel. Wasn’t it recently reported that Maggie Williams was reaching out to Doak to advise the Clinton Campaign?
Posted by: Thunderbolt | February 20, 2008, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm
If Hillary destroys Obama to get the nomination, I will do something I have never done in a general election – vote for the entire Republican ticket. I will do that because I think it is bad for Democracy to have the wife of a President become President and have her Husband occupy the White House at the same time. And I will do it because Hillary acts like a Republican and I’d rather choose a real one than a pretender.
Posted by: Steve | February 20, 2008, 1:03 pm 1:03 pm
Pointing out big crocodile tears and the truth about Bill’s cheating ways, is not sexist. If you can’t take the heat maybe you should get out of the kitchen!
ok now maybe that’s a little sexist.
;)
Posted by: Franky | February 20, 2008, 1:03 pm 1:03 pm
To Nadaspin..
This is what I am talking about?? Straight from Huffingpost. More money made of hillary. Why am I not suprised. Hillary is not good for this country and I honestly fear for Obama’s life b/c he is about to clean house in washington and many lobbyist/special interests and corporations don’t want that..Hillary HAS TO GET back in the white house cause she owes so many people and the lengths she is going to get back is scary. She is willing to do anything and that should raise the red flags to everybody.
Posted by: Lori | February 20, 2008, 1:04 pm 1:04 pm
i don’t see how calling her a crybaby is sexist. i’ve been called a crybaby in the past and i’m not a woman. it’s just another word for a sore loser.
now, if someone had called her a weak, emotional woman (not my opinion, just an example) who is unfit to lead a nation, that’d be sexist.
to me, electing anyone who is not a 60 year old white man with greying hair would be a huge leap forward for this country.
anyone we elect will make mistakes, lie to us, and probably be somewhat corrupt. i don’t know any of the candidates personally, so i’ve just got to take an educated guess. obama seems like a more straight-shooting type than clinton.
the comment made earlier about her need to contact the organization and tell them to stop was right on the money. that seems more sexist – “oh no, hillary’s losing, we better help her out since she’s incapable!”
Posted by: joe b | February 20, 2008, 1:04 pm 1:04 pm
A vote for McCain is a vote for status quo. If you want change vote Democratic.
Posted by: D. Newland | February 20, 2008, 1:06 pm 1:06 pm
Chuck: People have always assumed it was Bill Clinton who was the political animal. However, it was Hillary. She wrote a dissertation for her Political Science degree based on brass knuckles Chicago-Style politics in the 1960′s. The point of her thesis was that politicians must create an enemy in order to motivate constituencies. Hillary kept that dissertation sealed from the public until 2001. The Clintons are a pair – one of them distracts you while the other picks your pocket, steals your job, and sells your technology.
Posted by: NadaSpin3 | February 20, 2008, 1:06 pm 1:06 pm
“We need solutions” is only a speech, an empty one at that. She is lost, disparaging, dividing, and she is losing big because of that. Oh my!!! She is ready for ridicule! Who have guessed that a couple of months ago?
I am happy Obama is running a positive, high standards campaign. He has never trashed Clinton, he is always positive and good spirited. We need that in the White House. He is uniting and lifting peoples hearts and minds. He is delivering real stuff.
Obama is getting stronger by the day.
Posted by: J. Perez Acosta | February 20, 2008, 1:07 pm 1:07 pm
This is a very good news. Very Excited news. We need some one to stay up tothe Crazy Media who Blindly support OBAMA.
HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT
Posted by: Microtek | February 20, 2008, 1:07 pm 1:07 pm
Talk is cheap unless supported by actions. Anyone can get a prepared speech and sound like a leader, but can they lead with just words with no substance. I have stopped voting with my heart because I found out that words from Politicians mean little. Their past problem solving abilities are what really matters, and I am not talking about problems with their children. The world is a lot more complicated than what happens down the street and President has to know instinctively what to do. Obama doesnt have the credentials for the task, Hillary has Billy yet that may not be enough since he was in office. McCain is an old man and set in his ways – fairly inflexable. There is not much to pick from, but do it wisely.
Posted by: Superman | February 20, 2008, 1:09 pm 1:09 pm
Renee asked “Does anyone really think Obama can reunite America, plus make peace with other nations?”
Yes, Renee. So far, over 10,958,568 people have cast their vote in favor of Obama being the Democratic candidate for President. They believe that with their help, Obama can do it.
I think the slogan is “Yes We Can”. Maybe a lot of you out there have heard it?
Posted by: Chuck | February 20, 2008, 1:09 pm 1:09 pm
Are these all rich people that have already rented out the Lincoln Bedroom?
Obama is getting alot of small donations from the people.
It is the grassroots effort that is defeating Hillary.
We the People have spoken.
Posted by: JB | February 20, 2008, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm
NadaSpin3,
I am glad at least one American pays attention to what I said. So, according to what you are saying, it will probably reach 40 years (perhaps more) of monopoly of power in hands of two families. It is time for someone else!!! I do not care if that someone is McCain or Obama. Obama is 46, McCain is 71 or 72, it is probably better to pick someone who can lead for 4 full years than to elect someone who could potentially die in office!!!!Thus, Clinton should be out of the game because we do not want 40 years of Clintons and Bushes!
Posted by: JohnSaulnier | February 20, 2008, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm
C. Farnesworth: Even if what you say is true, (unconfirmed)… This is bad because…??
Isn’t freedom of religion the reason our Founding Fathers started this great nation?
This is the typical hogwash out there by those grasping at straws on the great freefall that has become this Clinton campaign… Talk about empty rhetoric…
Give me a break….
Posted by: ErwinNJ | February 20, 2008, 1:12 pm 1:12 pm
All you hillary supporters..Now “YOUR” candidate has launched a delegate hub website in hopes of stealing the PLEDGED delegates from Obama in order to win the nomination…
and you all still want this corrupt women in the whitehouse..She will do anything to win and it’s scary.
Posted by: Lori | February 20, 2008, 1:13 pm 1:13 pm
Chuck, Bob the Builder also has millions of toddlers saying “Yes we can!”. They haven’t done much more than that….
Posted by: C. Farnesworth | February 20, 2008, 1:13 pm 1:13 pm
thanks c farnesworth – i will check it out.
for the record, i don’t care if the president is Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Bahai’i…
to rephrase what i said earlier, i think it would be a huge leap forward for the US if we elected someone who wasn’t Christian. The world, and our country, has many different views on religion. not that it should matter in a country where church and state are supposed to be have nothing to do with each other.
strong moral fiber is strong moral fiber, regardless of where it is attained.
Posted by: joe b | February 20, 2008, 1:14 pm 1:14 pm
The Media has fooled people into casting their votes for OBAMA, but NOT ME.
Posted by: Microtek | February 20, 2008, 1:15 pm 1:15 pm
People it is not the number of States that a candidate wins …it is the number of people that vote for a candidate …the numbers …I guess most of you take the media to heart and go with the media without facts…the American people are still speaking the votes that seperate the two is small…so get real people are speaking and it is still up in the air..too many of you get caught up in what the media saids and do not think…
Posted by: dellee | February 20, 2008, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm
C. Farnesworth: Clever comment about Bob the Builder — but as you said, Bob was dealing with toddlers.
I believe the voters in these elections are all adults. I would not assume that the results will be the same as it was for the toddlers.
Good luck to you and your preferred candidate.
Posted by: Chuck | February 20, 2008, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm
To Lori and those who think like her: it always strikes me as ironic that folks will say that politicians are corrupt,,, except for the one I support. When will we as voters come to accept the fundamental reality that people who need to raise over $100,000,000 to buy their way into high office do not, cannot, and will not let their decisions be dictated by a desire to fight for “the people”? Millionaire John Edwards claimed to be for “the people”, but he abandoned that campaign and is now negotiating with the remaining candidates to broker his delegates’ support, no doubt in exchange for a seat at the table of power — not to get anything for “the people”. Senator Obama may be less overtly tainted than those he is running against, but that does not mean he will not sell “the people” out — how many earmarks did he put into the last appropriations bill? While Senator Clinton put $340 million of pork into the bill, Senator Obama put $91 million of pork into the bill. They claim to be for “the people”, then screw the people once in office. Do you recall that Bill Clinton campaigned in 1992 saying that “the centerpiece of my campaign is a middle class tax cut”?, then as soon as he got into office pushed through a retroactive tax increase? Do you recall that George W. Bush campaigned in 2000 saying that he would cut the size of the government, then after he got into office the cost of government doubled? I believe it was the wonderful Scottish comedian and actor Billy Connolly who said something like this: politicians are people who seek to get money from the rich and votes from the poor by promising to protect each from the other. Mark Twain had it right over a century ago: “It could probably be shown by facts and figures that there is no distinctly native American criminal class except Congress”. Wake up and smell the manure — and it’s only getting worse as the elections get costlier.
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Posted by: rationalhumanbeing | February 20, 2008, 1:19 pm 1:19 pm
It’s not hogwash to tell someone that you believe in something when you don’t actually belive in it- I think they call that a lie, but most Obama supporters don’t mind a good lie every now and then as long as they can feel good about changing the country. Just thought I’d tell the boy the truth so he doesn’t run around telling people that his brother’s Church is the same as Obama’s…. (chuckle)
Posted by: C. Farnesworth | February 20, 2008, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm
THE CHINA CONNECTION: WOULD YOU VOTE FOR A CANDIDATE WHO GAVE AWAY MILITARY SECRETS TO CHINA? George Bush Senior refused to grant most favored nation status to China because of their human rights abuses. However, Bill Clinton brushed the Human Rights issues aside. As he did so, he said that the human rights issues were getting in the way of commercial interests. Bill Clinton also gave China entry into the World Trade Org. In return for campaign contributions, Clinton shifted regulation of technology exports from the State Department to the free-wheeling Commerce department. The administration also relaxed export controls and allowed corporations to decide for themselves if their technology transfers were legal or not. If easing restrictions wasn’t enough, Clinton signed waivers that simply circumvented the law. Clinton’s waivers allowed the export of machine tools, defense electronics, a communications system for the Chinese Air Force, and a missle guidance system. In other words, Bill Clinton SOLD US OUT TO COMMUNIST CHINA.
Posted by: NadaSpin3 | February 20, 2008, 1:24 pm 1:24 pm
“I would not assume that the results will be the same as it was for the toddlers.”
Please tell me that you’re not serious…
Posted by: C. Farnesworth | February 20, 2008, 1:24 pm 1:24 pm
Is there an entity that moniters where the money for this ‘ALP’ will be coming from? And if so, will there be public access to this kind of information? Anybody know?
Posted by: Al | February 20, 2008, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm
Hey Rational: Obama is in the bottom 25% of earmarks. He does not use earmarks for corporate interests. The only earmarks he uses are for infrastructure projects like roads and hospital construction. Educate yourself.
Posted by: NadaSpin3 | February 20, 2008, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm
We already had a guy with no experience in the white house, his name George W. Bush. I don’t think we need another one. If you do not know how washington runs how can you make change? So he was opposed to the war from the start. So was Dennis Kucinich, but Dennis was man enough to stand by his conviction and always voted no on funding the war. What does that say about Obama, who has always voted yes to funding the war. REAL CHANGE COMES FROM THE PEOPLE, REVOLOUTIONS, NOT FROM POLITICIANS. WAKE UP AMERICA, ATLEAST IF YOUR GOING TO VOTE FOR THE PERSON WHO KNOWS HOW TO WORK THE SYSTEM.
Posted by: nonsense | February 20, 2008, 1:29 pm 1:29 pm
All the attacks I hear on Obama are based on how well he speaks, as if his motivational speaking style was a minus.
What insane point are they trying to make? Are they saying Obama would be a better candidate if he sounded like Mr. T?
Posted by: Doug Alston | February 20, 2008, 1:32 pm 1:32 pm
I also think the Votes for Obama are fales…when Reps vote for a very Liberal person that is a red flag…Too bad we do not have close Primaries in Texas..Republicans want to go against Obama because they believe they can beat him…must have something major in the works…..or affraid to go against Hillary the only way to beat them is a Hillary VP Obama ticket….
Posted by: dellee | February 20, 2008, 1:36 pm 1:36 pm
all you uneducated and illegals that supposed to the back bone of Hillarys supporters if you can read english did you notice “IF” she has any $$$ left over they will use it to talk to you folks. Just how stupid can groups of people be? would someone PLEASE ask her to list her accompishments, not just signing her name to someone elses work / bill something of her own. In the thirtyfive years she’s always talking about there should at least one. Ask her how the healthcare programs in New York has improved in the last seven years. go ahead I dare you. it’s one of the worst in the country. You’re all a joke. you dems can’t see good when it is smiling in your face. But us conservatives don’t even have a canidate in this fight so all you libs can’t lose.
Posted by: del | February 20, 2008, 1:43 pm 1:43 pm
Obama is a cult leader. Obama followers are zombies. Democracy is creepy. Speeches don’t put bread on the table…
But mudslinging attacks do?
Hillary needs to go back to NY and be the best Senator she can be. And do it fast, before she permanently damages her (and her husband’s) great reputation with these sad acts of desperation.
Posted by: BigTobacco | February 20, 2008, 1:44 pm 1:44 pm
Hillary supporters:
Please list her accomplishments as asked below. Not ones that she has just signed off on.
Let’s get to the nitty gritty.
Posted by: ErwinNJ | February 20, 2008, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm
This whole race could be over in a week, if we all just keep repeating a few simple words:
“Shame on you, Hillary Clinton!”
Posted by: Mark Kraft | February 20, 2008, 1:49 pm 1:49 pm
Why is it that Hillary and her followers (and now McCain, who has already “plagiarized” Hillary’s ineffectual attack) can only attack Obama not for the substance of what he says but for the way he says it (which is obviously very effective or he wouldn’t be where he is the race)? Talk about an insubstantive argument. Doesn’t it take words to express ideas? If you take issue with the ideas, tell us what those issues are. Don’t tell me that my ideas are bad just because I’m expressing them. People know ingenuousness when they see it and that is Hillary’s problem. She is transparent and puts people off. Obama’s only mistake is in trying to answer her ludicrous attacks on his right to express his platform in a logical, clear, and articulate way. She is soooooo jealous! People, do yourselves (and others) a favor and quit making yourselves sound as foolish as she (and now McCain).
Obama has won. Accept it.
Posted by: ddinla | February 20, 2008, 1:55 pm 1:55 pm
The supreme court and your individual rights hang in the balance. Do you really want the corporate masters to have all the power??? This is the most important issue bar none! Some of those judges are gettin’ up there and the next president will have to fill those spots. McCain may appeal to you on may levels but when it comes to judicial appointments he is far far to the right!
Posted by: caune | February 20, 2008, 1:58 pm 1:58 pm
This is a sad day in democratic history. When fellow dems attack fellow dems like republican. Are the Clintons so desperate for power. I was a Hillary supporter, but now I am shocked! I cannot vote for her any longer. The DNC needs to stop this and fast. They are tearing the Party apart.
Posted by: Washington30 | February 20, 2008, 1:58 pm 1:58 pm
Let the swiftboating begin! It’s actually pretty funny that there are still people out there who say Obama has no substance. All one has to do is visit his website and you will see all the policy detail you could want. I guess the old adage that if you tell the same lie over and over again and tell it convincingly enough, people will believe you. I think that those people that think Obama has no substance have only seen his stump speeches when he is rallying his supporters. Think about it, if you come to a campaign event, do you really want to listen to someone talk about 50 point plans? No, you want someone to inspire you to keep working!
Posted by: WCB | February 20, 2008, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm
NadaSpin3 – Thank you for the count of achievements. By my count after reading your posting, the score ended up with Senator Obama having 3 bills authored or co-sponsored that became law.
And oh, by-the-way Senator Clinton had 20.
I hoped for a more balanced description from a “No-Spin” kind of person.
To all those who say Senator Clinton should pull out of the race because it is over. I live in Pennsylvania. I HAVEN’T VOTED YET! We now know and value the opinions of those who already voted. Thank you for voting. Please wait until I get a turn to exercise my right for which so many paid so dearly.
Posted by: Harry | February 20, 2008, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm
The Clintons are destroying the unity of the Democratic Party and trust me, based on their recent staff shake-ups, they’re about to make it even nastier. But they’ll send others to do their dirty work.
At this rate, people are going to get tired of the Democrats and start seeing McCain as the candidate of change.
Posted by: JW | February 20, 2008, 2:03 pm 2:03 pm
The news media has decided that Obama should win – so he will.
Posted by: Neo Politicus | February 20, 2008, 2:04 pm 2:04 pm
Vote for Experience, Vote for Actions
Practically thinking AMERICA doesn’t require a TRAINEE PRESIDENT in this current situation of USA.
If your company is in losses you recruit an EXPERIENCED, TOUGH, HIGHCALIBRE person not a TRAINEE.
Even when you get any problem you will consult an experienced person in that field.
When it comes to POLITICS it really needs an EXPERIENCED person NOW…thats UNIVERSAL LAW
VOTE FOR EXPERIENCE,VOTE FOR ACTION
GOD BLESS YOU MRS.CLINTON…..
Posted by: Ashr | February 20, 2008, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm
Folks, I cannot stand Obama. Living in NY and being a democrat – if Obama is nominated I am voting for McCain. Frankly so are all the people I know. Nominate Obama and NY is going to vote for McCain.
Betsy
Posted by: Betsy Heimbuch | February 20, 2008, 2:07 pm 2:07 pm
527 will backfire on Clinton. So you max out your donations form lobbyist. Now you have them form their own “independent” group to help you win the nomination?. WoW, can you get any more desperate? The media is going to tear her apart on this. So sad for Clinton, her true colors are finally appearing.
Posted by: Ken | February 20, 2008, 2:13 pm 2:13 pm
Hillary, Bill, Chelsea Clinton, John McCain, and now ALP ….Could somebody tell me exactly who’s Obama’s real opponent?
Gee, the old establishment is shivering like wet chickens! You can go ahead and run your negative ads. That is your expertise, but American people know that “won’t put food on their table”.
Posted by: Fyd | February 20, 2008, 2:14 pm 2:14 pm
People commenting should realize that Barack Obama only served 1 year in the Senate before deciding to run for President of the United States. And he has spent most of his time running for this presidential election? How much Washington experience does he really have? Do people really think he is going to be able to accomplish anything in the White House with his lack of experience? Can you imagine anyone applying for a top notch position in a company and having experience count for nothing. “Oh yes, Mr. Obama, your resume states that you really like change and hope. But you have very little experience. When can you start?” Also, I believe the only reason he has gotten this much support in this campaign is because of the completely biased media coverage. They have forced him down the throats of Americans who had no idea who he was a few months ago. Not that he isn’t intelligent or well spoken but he isn’t ready to lead. I believe we have a media created sensation. The corporate media have made him into a celebrity. And I hope it is not being done purposely in order to secure a win for John McCain. A lot of his supporters have no idea what he even has accomoplished. A senator on the Chris Matthews show, who was endorsing Obama, was asked to name one thing he’s done in the Senate and he couldn’t come up with one thing. It was completely embarassing. We need a president not a celebrity. We need solutions not speeches. We need actions not words. And to a previous poster, I agree with you about his affiliation with the Trinity United Church of Christ. It seems to me to be a Black Empowerment Church, with it’s Black Value System. Christian churches usually like to empower everyone not just one particular race.
Posted by: Casey | February 20, 2008, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm
Doesn’t matter what they do. If it’s not evident by now, they are not paying attention. The American Public doesn’t care about her experience and they don’t care about her opinion of his “speeches”, didn’t that negative advertising backfire on them?
It is apparent the American public want Change…regardless of tenure, experience or gender.
Posted by: Cindy | February 20, 2008, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm
Patricia Mae Andrzejewski singing “Hit Me with Your Best Shot,” is the anthem that will get us through to March 5th.
Posted by: Vote On Paper | February 20, 2008, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm
Obama has no substance, he’s a shill. After 8 years of a president who only knew what to say when told by Rove and Cheney, I want a president who knows the political, social, environmental and diplomatic conditions that will be affected by her words and actions. Obama says he’s going to talk to Ahmadinejad and bomb Pakistan. Really? Do you think that’s a good idea? Pakistan does have nuclear weapons you know…I don’t know how they’d feel about being bombed.
Obama is Bush wearing a liberal jacket if you ask me.
Posted by: ann | February 20, 2008, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm
WHAT 35 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE?
The Facts:
Senator Barack Obama 1996-2004 (Illinois State Senator)
2005-2008 (United States Senator)
12 Years of Elected Office Experience
Senator Hillary Clinton 2001-2008 (United States Senator)
7 Years of Elected Office Experience
Here are the remaining 28 years of Clinton’s experience:
8 Years (Lawyer)
12 Years (First Lady of Arkansas)
8 Years (First Lady of the U.S.)
Since when is 20 years of being a first lady relevant experience for being president?
Senator Barack Obama, Not Only By Virtue Of His Character, Honesty, And Competence, But Also By Virtue Of His Experience, Is Clearly More Qualified To Be President Of The United States.
FIRED UP – READY TO GO!!!!!
Posted by: Cindy | February 20, 2008, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm
If my candidate doesn’t win, I’m gonna take my ball and go home! I’ve heard less whining from my 3 year old compared to some of these Clinton supporters. Are you really going to vote for someone who doesn’t share the same values as Hillary (McCain) in order to spite (somehow) the “mindless” Obama supporters?
Posted by: WCB | February 20, 2008, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm
It’s understandable that some independents wouldn’t vote for Barack if he gets nominated, so definitely like McCain.
But for someone to come out and say that they are an independent and would support the Clintons is hard to understand. Most supportors of McCain and Obama, I thought, are supporting the idea of change, something different.
To have another Clinton in the White House doesn’t sound like change to me. Think about it, 4yrs Bush, 8yrs Clintons, 8yrs Bush….do we really want another 4yrs of the Clintons?
That would equate to almost a quarter of a century with just two different families.
Let’s move forward, and show the world that we are actually progressing.
Posted by: Arnold | February 20, 2008, 2:25 pm 2:25 pm
To Mrs. Clinton: A lady always knows when to leave.
You madame, are no lady.
Posted by: Gail | February 20, 2008, 2:26 pm 2:26 pm
it seems like electing experience can be good and bad.
sure, experience knows the system, knows how to get things done, is comfortable in the position.
but it also means they know how to get away with things they don’t want us to know, are already molded by the status quo, and might not have much to offer in terms of innovation.
as has been said earlier, going bush-clinton-clinton-bush-bush-clinton is just going to be more of the same ol’.
a young, relatively inexperienced candidate offers a fresh perspective. it’s not as if he’d be doing everything by himself. he might have an advisor or two working for him.
Posted by: joe b | February 20, 2008, 2:27 pm 2:27 pm
Hillary has 35 years of experience in searching closets for skeletons. Too bad she did not use that energy to instead try and help the country.
Bill hit some guy the other day with his elbow. What’s next? Is he going to start punching Obama supporters to the ground, and then spit on them in full view of the cameras?
Posted by: Joe | February 20, 2008, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm
Not only did Roger Salazar of the ALP work for Gray Davis but it looks like he also did previous work for Bill Clinton, Al Gore and John Edwards.
Posted by: mammamia | February 20, 2008, 2:36 pm 2:36 pm
To Tom and others…
Tom wrote:
Why would Mrs Clinton accept donations from a slanderous organization? If she does, then I have lost total respect for her.
My question:
Why would Barak Obama accept $230 K from Exelon, the largest nuclear power plant, and water down legislation that asks power plants to *voluntarily* let the community know that there are pollutants in the water?
Give me a break, Tom! I can tell that you’re a smart person, so in light of their backgrounds, why wouldn’t you support the person with the most qualified experience – the one who has passed legislation that has benefited you and those you love? Politics is a dirty business – - but focus on the issues, something that seems to have strayed from the Obama campaign.
Posted by: Maria | February 20, 2008, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm
He’s anointed the messiah,
but she’s the one nailed to the cross.
just do a little research on all the vicious and hateful things that have been said about her. (media matters is a good place to start.) They say, yes a woman someday, just not this woman. They say yes, she is very smart and yes, she has proven to work very hard and yes, she can think on her feet and yes, she excels in the debates. And yes, she is a good mother.
But not this woman? What woman? The one who is younger? Prettier? Less tested? Less known?
Just give me some truth – not a pocketful of hope – john lennon
Posted by: american2 | February 20, 2008, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm
All you Clinton supporters threatening to vote McCain … stop talking about it, just do it.
Go. You know you want to. McCain will continue the war you (and Hillary) were all so hot to start.
After all, that’s who you are. That’s what Hillary supporters are … the very same Democrats who supported Bush’s war in 2003 are the ones supporting Hillary today.
Go Hillarycrats for McCain! On to Baghdad! And then Tehran! You know you want to!
Hillary supporters have no problemo with a 100-year war, since most of them are about 99 years old anyway.
Go! Follow your hearts! Don’t mind us Democrats. We’ll get by without you, somehow.
PS when you join the GOP, why not bring Hillary with you?
Posted by: OD | February 20, 2008, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm
Change-different from what it is or from what it would be if left alone. So different right? I’m assuming that means unlike how the country has been controlled over the past few decades. Whether we are Blue or Red I bet if you search within yourself you can find instances where our leaders behaved more like naughty, spoiled children then the decision makers we elected them ( and paid them) to be. Someone to come fill our country and our heart’s with hope and to understand the plight of the common person- you know the one’s struggling to make ends meet , wanting to send their kids to a good school but at points having to choose between putting money in a college fund or filling up the heating oil again- Going to work everyday and doing the best they can but still never getting ahead only to find out that yes they lost another billion dollars but it’s okay because we will keep making more so they will keep taking more. Americans should be outraged. Americans should DEMAND change, not just accept a carbon copy version of the same corrupted policy views and the same selfish ways that has helped this country dwindle until our hope has nearly diminished. Is Barack experienced? Not in the traditional way, but look where our traditional leaders have taken us so far. It is a breath of fresh air to have the opportunity to elect a leader that has not been bought, that has fresh ideas and that still believes in the American dream for every person regardless of whether they were born wealthy or poor. If you question what he is about educate yourself- read one of his books or listen to a full speech do not consider yourself enlightened because you have watched an hour of news or read the local paper. Then go vote and if you choose not to vote for him then that is your right- that is the American way and that fellow Americans is what Barack Obama stands for. As for me I will be voting for my American dream and helping in any way that I can to leave a strong , healthy country and legacy for my children so I won’t have to explain to them how I let myself be fooled into complacency. I will proudly tell them that I wanted CHANGE.
Posted by: Sara | February 20, 2008, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm
Sorry Obama cult members, but your candidate offers this american NOTHING! I don’t need inspiration. The constitution is inspiration enough! We don’t need change, what we need are the repeal of the failed right wing policies that have gotten us to where we are. As an AMerican, I am insulted that your candidate, and his racist wife suggest we need hope. THIS IS AMERICA, what we need is to adhere to the great values that use to mean something.
The last thing the USAneeds is a candidate that blames his rivals, while giving a free pass to the worst president EVER!
Obama will never get my vote….NEVER!
Posted by: MichellesObamas Conscience | February 20, 2008, 2:42 pm 2:42 pm
Jack your article is interesting. Does Bill and his boys still think they control America! Obama is an honest-to-goodness ground swell. Does anyone still think money can divert the will of the people? But, they will try.
Posted by: DenisR | February 20, 2008, 2:48 pm 2:48 pm
i think people say ‘not this woman’ because she is too polarizing, and this country is still steeped in patriarchy. not saying it’s right or wrong, it’s just the way our history has gone.
gender roles and our understanding of them require a woman who is strong and intelligent but somehow more motherly, not a seemingly cold,ruthless ceo-attorney type. we need a strong grandmother type. the first female president will not be a typical politician. she’ll be very different, so i think we’ve got a ways to go.
then again, maybe not. i always thought michael jordan would be the first non-white president with oprah as the vp. and i figure it was another 20 years away.
Posted by: joe b | February 20, 2008, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm
Folks I am from the Uk and have been following the US elections very closely.
Firstly I think the democrats have made history with Hilary and Obama!
However if i could vote it would definitely be Obama.
Poeple leave comments about how Hilary has more experience(In what exactly!!) over Barack Obama and that all Obama does is give good speeches. Please check out his site before you make these silly statements. At least that way you can come to the table with some arguments that have substance.
The other thing I like about Obama is his reasoning or approach towards international issues/relations. As you are aware Bush has damaged every bit of respect the world has for America.
Obama’s approach and quite rightly so is’we need to look at the mindset that got us into this in the first place’
Instead of dialogue, McCain says bomb bomb bomb!! and thats who you want as president?!!
Hilary clinton can’t even manage a campaign and says she is the best candidate for the nominee!!
Please Americans be open minded and heed the call for change
Its the past versus the future!!
In the UK when Tony Blair(British Prime Minister 97-07)launched his to be prime minster the existing establishment thought he was too young and not experienced enough. The voters proved the wrong and he brought changes and reforms no other prime minster has done(apart from the war in Iraq).
Fresh Ideas are always good. Its time to break away from the Bush/Clinton dynasty
Posted by: Kofiharr | February 20, 2008, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm
I realize this is off topic but have either candidates released current medical records?
Posted by: Mass voter | February 20, 2008, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm
Hillary needs to quit, if the tables were turned everyone would be asking Obama to get out. The national press corps would have long abandoned Obama. Hillary thinks she’s special. She is not. She is losing, She cannot catch up and most people expect her to try cheap dirty tricks. This is exactly why we don’t need the Clinton’s 8 more years. (Then Jeb for 8 more). Americans are waking up to her Bilderburg tactics. (Wikipedia-The group’s secrecy and its connections to power elites has provided fodder for many who believe that the group is part of a conspiracy to create a New World Order.)
Remember, Bill and Bush 41 always running around globetrotting. Bush 41 always proclaiming 1000 points of light and new world order. Bill raming NAFTA down our thorats. If we elect Hillary we will not stay free!
Posted by: Steve | February 20, 2008, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm
Mariann Pepitone said “I am an American born and raised in this country”
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So is Obama. He was born and raised in this country (that is unless Hawaii is not part of the US). His mother moved to Indonesia when he was 6. He returned to Hawaii aged 10. Get your facts correct.
Posted by: AA | February 20, 2008, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm
What experience does this woman really have? She was a first lady. Does that mean all spouse’s are capable of doing the other’s job.You supporters of of Hillary are mindless.
Posted by: Tony | February 20, 2008, 3:01 pm 3:01 pm
When a campaign has to rely on ‘swiftboating’ and independent 527′s to enable rich people the ability to give more to a campaign than is allowed by our laws, you know that candidate is not someone who will work for ordinary Americans. Hillary’s first loyalties, like Bill’s, will be to those rich individuals and corporations that help her win. Vote Obama. His donations are by and large coming from small donations from ordinary Americans. His plans, (read them on his website under ‘issues’),are very detailed and logical. Our government stop being the servant of corporations and can be working for us again.
Posted by: Lydia | February 20, 2008, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm
I noticed that Obama raised 34 million dollars in January…….that going to be hard to beat even with a 527
Posted by: Vectorpedia (Rick) | February 20, 2008, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm
AA: You are so wrong. Why don’t you get your facts straigh. He was born in Hawaii and raised there until he was about 5, lived in Indonesia, then from there he was raised by his father and grandmother in Kenya until he was brought back to the United States. He was still in Kenya at age 10. What have you been reading?
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | February 20, 2008, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm
Win or lose, do so with some dignity. It seems all Clinton supporters have left are dirty words. I’ve been reading though comments under various political articles, and I can not get past the name calling and slanderous attitude of the posts from Hillary’s fans towards not only Obama, but towards his supporters as well. It reminds me of the way teams take on the conscience and demeanor of their coach. It leaves quite an impression. Undecided voters, take note.
Threatening to abandon your party’s ideals and strategies because your “side” loses, is as divisive as the candidate herself. Democrats need to remember that at the end of this battle, we are all still on the same side of the war, both literally and figuratively.
Posted by: Alana | February 20, 2008, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm
to nadaspin: Ripping off taxpayers for “good” causes is no better for the taxpayers than ripping them off for corporate causes. A sampling of Senator Obama’s earmarks shows the pattern (shown in $ millions, and taken from Senator Obama’s own website): 3 for a park; 4 for Chicago public schools; 3 for a hospital; 5.9 for a museum; 3.4 for a county airport; 1.5 for a local water treatment plant; 1 for “The Women’s Sports Foundation”. With the exception of the last, all are already funded by local taxes, foundations or user fees (in other words, the taxpayers wind up paying twice for the same thing) and none are the fiscal responsibility of the federal government.
Question: would you not object to being ripped off by Alpha because he only rips you off 5 times a year, because it’s better than being ripped off by Beta who rips you off 20 times a year? Personally, I prefer to not be ripped off at all, especially by people who are not supposed to be ripping me off at all and who are saying that they’re doing it for me, but wind up benefiting only themselves and their cronies.
Posted by: rationalhumanbeing | February 20, 2008, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm
Can’t we all just get along?
Reading these posts is just depressing. As Democrats, we should be building each other up, not tearing each other down. Let’s keep our eyes on the prize, people.
I support Barack Obama. But, if Hillary wins the nomination, I will support her. I’m not setting out to trash Hillary just because I support Barack.
What it comes down to is this: the Republicans do not deserve to hold the highest office in the land for the next 4 years.
Stop it already!
Posted by: Mary | February 20, 2008, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm
If people out there are really interested in finding out about Hillary Clinton’s experience they should really go to her website (HillaryClinton.com) You will see a box (second from the left) that simply says Hillary. Please click on this box. Her accomplishments are too numerous for me to mention here. But I’m supporting Hillary not just because of her experience but because of her grasp and in-depth knowledge of the complex issues that face this country and her ability to come up with detailed solutions. These too are mentioned on her website. Hillary Clinton does so extremely well in the debates because she knows the issues in-depth, she knows where she stands on them and she has thoroughly thought them through in order to come up with workable solutions. Barack Obama on the other hand can’t even come up with his own speeches. And he’s copied some of her economic plans for the future as his own. As a democrat, I will never be voting for Barack Obama. Or John McCain.
Posted by: Cindy | February 20, 2008, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm
It is not over yet! We need Texas and Ohio and PA so all you Obama people.. there is still time to come to your senses and vote on the most qualified candidate. Also did anyone hear about the sex scandal that is circulating about Obama?? I wonder if its true.
Posted by: hardworking mother of 4 | February 20, 2008, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm
Clintons are going to Swiftboat Obama?
How sleazy. Clinton is looking more like Bush each day.
Posted by: Wendy | February 20, 2008, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm
2 years in the Senate. Yup, he’s qualified to lead the free world.
1 term in the Senate. Yup, radical Islam will surely kneel before her.
Either way, it’s a “win” for America! :-)
Posted by: Snoop Diggity-DANG-Dawg | February 20, 2008, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm
Her husband had two terms as president.Why did she NOT get that Health Care plan of her’s passed then? What makes you think she can get it done now.Will she really be able to reach out to the republicans because you know they are not going to abandon their agenda? Do you think she will be able to convince or strong arm her agenda within our government of many ideas?Be serious people. This woman is not approachable by many. Indeed, some republicans will only see Barack as a liberal, but there are those that will not and would support Obama before they would support Hillary.McCain will try to take down Obama of course because he wants the presidency, but once again look at all those folks that want Obama. We need a blended agenda that would reach all Americans and the question is who seems like they want to reach all? Beleive it or not I beleive Obama wants to.Either candidate you choose is a leap of faith choice and we will only see what they can do by giving them a chance. Hillary and McCain have had plenty of chances and the opportunity.Time for something new. A president sets policy but that person should also inspire hope and confidence.McCain and Hillary do not inspire anyone but their base. Obama is pulling ALL KINDS OF AMERICANS into the process. Isn’t this the United States of America. And why are you so mad about Obama’s abilities. Jealous? He is the product of the possibilities in America. He is dynamic unlike those one sided mean spirited dinosaurs he is facing. Didn’t Bill Clinton tell you Hillary and McCain are such good friends? a vote for Hillary or McCain will do nothing but bring you business as usual from Washington. I wouldn’t be surprised if MCcCain and Hillary are working together to take down Obama.
Posted by: Tony | February 20, 2008, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm
Again, I’m still waiting for the media to actually look at what Hillary’s talking about when she carrying on about problem-solving and doing not talking. If you compare the two candidate’s records, Obama actually has the stronger one. Hillary’s just using the typical Rovian tactic of hitting your opponent’s strengths.
HILLARY VS. OBAMA LEGISLATIVE RECORDS:
During Obama’s first (8) eight years of elected service (in Illinois) he sponsored over 820 bills – 233 regarding healthcare reform, 125 on poverty and public assistance, 112 crime fighting bills, 97 economic bills, 60 human rights and anti-discrimination bills, 21 ethics reform bills, 15 gun control, 6 veterans affairs and many others. IN ADDITION, DURING HIS FIRST YEAR IN THE U.S. SENATE, HE AUTHORED 152 BILLS AND CO-SPONSORED ANOTHER 427. THESE INCLUDED:
*The Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006 (became law)
*The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act, (became law)
*The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act, (passed by the Senate)
*The 2007 Government Ethics Bill, (became law)
*The Protection Against Excessive Executive Compensation Bill, (In committee)
In all, since he entered the US Senate, Obama has written 890 bills and co-sponsored another 1,096. AN IMPRESSIVE RECORD, FOR SOMEONE WHO SUPPOSEDLY “HAS NO RECORD”
HILLARY CLINTON, WHO HAS SERVED FOR 6 YEARS IN THE U.S. SENATE, AND CLAIMS TO KNOW HOW TO “GET THINGS DONE” HAS MANAGED TO AUTHOR AND PASS NTO LAW ONLY TWENTY (20) PIECES OF LEGISLATION, ONLY FIVE (5) OF WHICH HAVE ANY REAL SUBSTANCE:
1. Extend period of unemployment assistance to victims of 9/11.
2. Pay for city projects in response to 9/11
3. Assist landmine victims in other countries.
4. Assist family caregivers in accessing affordable respite care.
5. Designate part of the National Forest System in Puerto Rico as protected in the wilderness preservation system.
Posted by: John | February 20, 2008, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm
Wow no wonder this country is falling apart when so few people even discussing a subject on a blog can behave like mature adults. We can’t expect much more from our elected officials then what we expect from ourselves – Why not strip aside all of the gender, race, and age issues and focus on how each candidate is conducting themselves? And while we are at it why don’t we try to remember that we are not fighting a war on Muslims but on terrorists and that in America we are given the freedom to attend any church we wish ( I doubt there is a sign outside of Baracks church that says white’s not welcome)! Unite people become a catalyst for change not a supporter of hate- what’s next ripping him apart for having big ears ?
Posted by: *Shocked* | February 20, 2008, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm
Note: These 527s are not controlled by the Clinton campaign, the money does not go to Clinton — that would be illegal.
Posted by: buzzzed.com | February 20, 2008, 3:36 pm 3:36 pm
Oh-bama Oh-bama
By (Hard Working Mom of 4)
Oh-bama Oh-bama
Will you still remain,
After all the glitz and the glory
Will your name still be raved.
You seem really cool
You seem really hip
But is all that enough,
To change politics.
All of Hollywood is amazed
Just ask Oprah…
A million a day???
Has everyone gone loca.
Last time I checked
Its not the about the glory or fame
It’s about this wonderful country
The Great USA
So Hillary I pray Don’t give up,
Get up and come back
Take courage and know
that we in NY got your back.
Posted by: Hardworking mom of 4 | February 20, 2008, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm
Another 527 Swiftboat attack?????
More shady chicanery with campaign spending???
The Clinton Sleaze Machine sinks to a new low.
I once liked the Clintons. Not only are they going to lose, but they have lost my respect. What a shame.
Posted by: HRC | February 20, 2008, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm
Obama will be brought down by the very same people who have built him up — corporate press and the Republicans.
Those who think the Repubs supporting him now are going to vote for him in the GE need to wake up, please. If he wins the nomination, it’s too late for all of us.
Posted by: jen | February 20, 2008, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm
With all that experience and years of being in the public eye she still does not know how to unite the masses.She is Wicked and those of you that support her have that inside you as well. Are you capable of saying anything positive out your mouth about anyone else? She is the wicked witch and you are her flying monkeys.You will not convince me otherwise. she has something evil inside of her and the masses know it. That is why they are NOT voting for her.
Posted by: Tony | February 20, 2008, 3:42 pm 3:42 pm
If Obama was so anti-war, why did he actively support and campaign for war hawk, republican lover Joe Lieberman — against the democratic voters who chose Ned Lamont the anti-war candidate?
When Obama had an actual chance (instead of theoretical monday morning quarterbacking one) to stand with the voters, the anti-war voters, what did he do? He bowed before Joe Lieberman and said ‘yessir’ — he turned his back on the anti-war voters and citizens in order to uphold the elite, powerful, rich status quo.
He supported Joe Lieberman, who was elected by Republicans and who has now endorsed the republican candidate.
So when Obama has a real chance to speak truth to power, he simply hasn’t shown the courage to stand up to the rich and powerful. He’s all talk, and his actions were for pro-war Joe Lieberman, not the democratic voters.
He also didn’t adhere to the rules then did he?
Posted by: buzzzed.com | February 20, 2008, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm
I can’t believe the Obama campaign is so arrogantly telling Hillary to quit. LOL. What on earth? I hope he gets his butt whooped.
Posted by: Ellie | February 20, 2008, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. The Clintons are JUST beginning their negative campaign and will unleash their politics of personal destruction just like they have with anyone else who has gotten in their way. They will stop at nothing.
They will do so trying to make it look like they’re not behind it all the while raising horrible accusations and casting doubt on the character of Obama.
So everybody needs to be ready for it. It’s not gonna be pretty. It’s like trying to pry the ring away from Gollum in Lord of the Rings. The Clintons are so consumed with the quest for power that they don’t care who they hurt along the way.
They accuse, distort, intimidate, and make half-truths true. Be ready folks, because it’s gonna get ugly.
“My Precious!”
Posted by: JW | February 20, 2008, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm
We all have a choice.I ‘ve made mine and you have made yours.Regardless we will see in November.The American public will decide.If we get a witch as president ….Satan is next!
Posted by: Tony | February 20, 2008, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm
“Note: These 527s are not controlled by the Clinton campaign, the money does not go to Clinton — that would be illegal.”
Your are correct. t’s a loophole to cheat the financing rules. Clinton will “distance” herself from the Swiftboating attacks. That’s why it’s sleazy.
Posted by: James M. | February 20, 2008, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm
The GOP has recreated history and we fall for it. I remember Gore and Bush debating what to do with all the extra money, fast food joints starting people at $11 an hour and Bill Clinton the highest approval rating in history when he left office. America believes this was a low point and Reagan and his record deficits a high. the Clintons fought hard just so someone like Barack Obama could realistically run for President and they are accused of racism. I am a white male who could never vote for a candidate that would not disavow himself from comments like Jesse Jackson, Jr about having to cast a vote as a superdelegate based on race alone. Democrats are eating their own after being baited by the media.
Posted by: Frank | February 20, 2008, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm
Just when I thought I’d seen the bottom of the HRC Corp. sleaze tactics….
Anyway, ear Hillary and dear Bill, more smears and tricks will not work. Too many people are thinking and too many people are voting. You can’t fool all the people all the time.*
*Abe Lincoln said that. Another “all talk” president with “no experience.”
Obama 08
Posted by: Adnora | February 20, 2008, 4:01 pm 4:01 pm
The main thing that everyone can remember of Bill Clinton is when he almost got empeached for lying on the stand when asked if he had sex with Monica. Proof that the Clintons are a bunch of liars. I say out with the old and in with the new !!
Go Obama go !!
Posted by: Franky | February 20, 2008, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm
Not even close to winning the nomination yet and already practicing taking funds for her own personal benefit! Well then again she has been practicing since she was bought off by big insurance and NAFTA…. same old story different election year
Posted by: notsurprised | February 20, 2008, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm
As always the Obama supporters can’t take the heat. Just like your leader you want another FREE RIDE! Sorry guys, this is politics, not play group. If this organizatin is legal/legit than “go for it” I say! Anything to counteract the insanity of obamamania! Check out the other article on this site today which looks at Obama/Rezko – that trainwreck is just starting! We’ve watched Hillary Clinton be scrutinized for 15 years. Now it’s Obama’s turn to starting experiencing what it REALLY feels like to be in the public eye, and to face all the questions that go with that. He’s got no idea what’s up ahead nor do his mindless supporters. OBAMA WIN NOW = REBPUBLIC VICTORY IN NOVEBMER!
Posted by: Muzza | February 20, 2008, 4:25 pm 4:25 pm
I will vote for McCain before I vote for Obama and I have been a registered democrat for over 20 years.
Posted by: Elinda | February 20, 2008, 4:30 pm 4:30 pm
American politics,… kinda reminds me of a line from the Enterprise TV show 1st episode,… Captain Archer to S’Val, the Vulcan Ambassador,… “What? When your logic doesn’t work, you raise your voice?”. So many people with such high opinions of their own opinion,… and when the chips are down, they just sink back to the barbarians they really are. What if we just take all the politicians in the US and dump them in an arena with swords, a shield or two, and a bunch of poisonous snakes,… and arrest the one that comes out alive for murder? It would be infinitely more entertaining.
Posted by: Don | February 20, 2008, 4:31 pm 4:31 pm
Obama’s speech (October, 2002):
Good afternoon. Let me begin by saying that although this has been billed as an anti-war rally, I stand before you as someone who is not opposed to war in all circumstances.
The Civil War was one of the bloodiest in history, and yet it was only through the crucible of the sword, the sacrifice of multitudes, that we could begin to perfect this union, and drive the scourge of slavery from our soil. I don’t oppose all wars.
My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, fought in Patton’s army. He saw the dead and dying across the fields of Europe; he heard the stories of fellow troops who first entered Auschwitz and Treblinka. He fought in the name of a larger freedom, part of that arsenal of democracy that triumphed over evil, and he did not fight in vain.
I don’t oppose all wars.
After September 11th, after witnessing the carnage and destruction, the dust and the tears, I supported this Administration’s pledge to hunt down and root out those who would slaughter innocents in the name of intolerance, and I would willingly take up arms myself to prevent such a tragedy from happening again.
I don’t oppose all wars. And I know that in this crowd today, there is no shortage of patriots, or of patriotism. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other arm-chair, weekend warriors in this Administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.
What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income – to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression.
That’s what I’m opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics.
Now let me be clear – I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity.
He’s a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him.
But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history.
I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda.
I am not opposed to all wars. I’m opposed to dumb wars.
So for those of us who seek a more just and secure world for our children, let us send a clear message to the president today. You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s finish the fight with Bin Laden and al-Qaeda, through effective, coordinated intelligence, and a shutting down of the financial networks that support terrorism, and a homeland security program that involves more than color-coded warnings.
You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s fight to make sure that the UN inspectors can do their work, and that we vigorously enforce a non-proliferation treaty, and that former enemies and current allies like Russia safeguard and ultimately eliminate their stores of nuclear material, and that nations like Pakistan and India never use the terrible weapons already in their possession, and that the arms merchants in our own country stop feeding the countless wars that rage across the globe.
You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s fight to make sure our so-called allies in the Middle East, the Saudis and the Egyptians, stop oppressing their own people, and suppressing dissent, and tolerating corruption and inequality, and mismanaging their economies so that their youth grow up without education, without prospects, without hope, the ready recruits of terrorist cells.
You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s fight to wean ourselves off Middle East oil, through an energy policy that doesn’t simply serve the interests of Exxon and Mobil.
Those are the battles that we need to fight. Those are the battles that we willingly join. The battles against ignorance and intolerance. Corruption and greed. Poverty and despair.
The consequences of war are dire, the sacrifices immeasurable. We may have occasion in our lifetime to once again rise up in defense of our freedom, and pay the wages of war. But we ought not – we will not – travel down that hellish path blindly. Nor should we allow those who would march off and pay the ultimate sacrifice, who would prove the full measure of devotion with their blood, to make such an awful sacrifice in vain.
Let’s turn the page,
VOTE OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT!
Posted by: FOR OUR COUNTRY | February 20, 2008, 4:34 pm 4:34 pm
Al Queda calls Obama to congratulate him on his Wisconsin victory
On a close caption of cnn anderson cooper Al Queda calls Obama to congratulate him
It is tooooooooo funny
Posted by: Carol | February 20, 2008, 4:35 pm 4:35 pm
Mariann Pepitone
Obama was never raised in Africa/Kenya. He never saw his father from age 2. His father died in an auto accident in 1982 in Kenya (Obama was 21 and living in Chicago). Obama’s first ever visit to Africa (Kenya) was well after the death of his father. He was never raised in Africa, has never lived outside the US except for the 4 years in Indonesia. Get your facts straight.
Posted by: AA | February 20, 2008, 4:39 pm 4:39 pm
Mariann Pepitone: He discusses his early life in his book “The Audacity of Hope”. Still you can get what you need to know about him in Wikipedia.
Posted by: AA | February 20, 2008, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm
I like how the majority of the people commenting on this have no idea what they’re talking about…
Posted by: amélie | February 20, 2008, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm
I like McCain over Hillary, but Obama is clearly a superior leader. I have voted Republican every election since 1976 (exepted Bush 1 2nd term — he seemed to ill — not for Clinton tho.) and Dole (too infirm — not for Clinton tho.) The Real Republicans (not the Wackos) should embrace Obama to help dismantle our color centric society. If he wins I would think it would be a reason to scale back affirmative action — because we have proof that the system that he grew up under worked! His formative years were under Nixon/Ford, Carter 1 term and Reagan.
Posted by: John McLame | February 20, 2008, 5:03 pm 5:03 pm
Obiously obama is helping by the republicans,because they know that this rebuplicans will not win over clinton so they want her out. CLEAR! Think about it, so democrats use your brain you are again being fooled by the republicns.
Posted by: jes | February 20, 2008, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm
Hillary’s backdoor ways continue. She will try to get the nomination through superdelegates and not popular vote, through seating the MI and FL delegates illegals and just in case those two efforts fail, get more people to attack Obama by proxy.
Hillary is a Republican in a Democratic disguise.
Posted by: Dr Ray from Ohio | February 20, 2008, 5:10 pm 5:10 pm
I like how Clinton claims Obama is all talk no action. Has anyone really looked at his record while in the Senate? He’s worked with republicans (yes, republicans, not just democrats) in order to create policies to avoid nuclear warfare, avoid letting wmd’s get in the wrong hands. Yes, he is talking a lot. But when someone asks him a question, he can answer it no matter what, and he has a plan. He worked among the people when he first moved to Chicago, trying to get them to register to vote and then go to the polls. No, Obama is a doer. That’s one of the things Michelle found remarkable about him, one of the reasons she married him. And Obama does not care if one is black, white, hispanic, asian, middle eastern. He does not care if one is a democrat, republican, or independent. He is working towards a truly united America.
“By uniting we stand/By dividing we fall”
Posted by: amélie | February 20, 2008, 5:11 pm 5:11 pm
So!…if Hilary and Bill tried to vacate the White House with a ‘whole lotta furniture/artifacts’ the first time…that they had to return. Do you think these ‘cat burglars’ will get away with it this time if she should mistakenly be put in office? By the way is McCain and Hilary still using the old worn out slogans about ‘experience and years of service’ to hoodwink the multitude.After Bush,I think the U.S. is maybe a little more awake to the ‘EXPERIENCED THIEVES’who have serviced themselves to a VERY profitable reward. Maybe ‘inexperience’ may look more attractive in the long run.
Posted by: Bravo | February 20, 2008, 5:12 pm 5:12 pm
I expect to hear a lot of republicans baying at the moon tonight during the eclipse. If that don’t rattle their cages, the solar eclipse in August will just about do them in.
Posted by: daddyblue | February 20, 2008, 5:13 pm 5:13 pm
deb wrote, “You Democrats who claim you will not vote for Obama if he is the candidate, you Democrats who claim you will not vote for Hillary if she is the candidate: shame on you. The underpinings of the Democratic party remain the same no matter which one of them is leading the party.”
Well-said. I’m an independent who will vote Democratic in this election because I’m sick and tired of Republicans with their reverse-Midas touch–everything they’ve touched they turned to dust, including the economy, foreign policy and the environment. I don’t mind either of the Democratic candidates but I am not a fan of Hillary’s dirty politics. If she is the party nominee, I will vote for her but not without holding my nose as I do it. The only reason I’d vote is that she is better than the hundred-year-war, pro-torture hypocrite John McCain.
Posted by: Dr Ray | February 20, 2008, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm
I agree with Tony, our image in the eyes of the rest of the world sucks big time. We definitely need to clean up our foreign policies of preemptive stikes so that other nations can respect us. Obama is the only one who can do this and be credible. The other candidates have too much history and people around the world do not have a positive image of them.
Posted by: Franky | February 20, 2008, 5:28 pm 5:28 pm
Nice to see Barack’s rational supporters are home from their dream jobs *sarcasm* ( it is the way they like to describe us as rich and carefree). I am neither and I believe in this man and voted proudly for him last night to help begin the process of turning this country into a UNITED place to call home. I want my children to know this generation cared enough to at least try to put the pieces back together..no matter how late we realized how much damage we have caused.
As for the rest of you fight amongst yourselves I think you will find that not many opinions will change unless people get off this blog and start educating themselves.
Proud Wisconsin woman,<$50,000, white, and uneducated did you miss my vote Hillary? With Barack maybe my kids will never be described that way in an exit poll.
Posted by: not4uHillary | February 20, 2008, 5:31 pm 5:31 pm
YEA!!!! Swiftboat him all you can.
The public says they want bi-partisonship and debating the issues.
Yea right. There is nothing more news worthy than a good ole Jerry Springer type event between these two candidates!
Posted by: Dennis Smith | February 20, 2008, 5:39 pm 5:39 pm
You Obama supporters don’t understand. He’ll have to go through this if he’s running for president. If a little NEGATIVE finger pointing is too HARD on him, he shouldn’t be the president! Hillary is staying out of the fray just like a professional. That’s why she voted for 571′s, to allow for back and forth opinions.
Posted by: Bill | February 20, 2008, 5:41 pm 5:41 pm
The purpose and main function of a party whether it be Republican or Democrat is to vouch for a candidate. It is to say that this candidate is our candidate and we vouch for this person. We believe this person represents our parties’ ideals. It is like the FDA (Food and Drug Administration) approval on a drug or the Good Houskeeping Seal of Approval on a candidate. The voter can rely on the party to vet and judge the candidate and base their decision on the approval of the Party.
How can the Democratic Party vouch for Hillary Clinton when her candidacy is unconstitutional under the 22nd Amendment to our Constitution that prohibits a President from serving more than two terms? Her elction will effectively give her husband a third term in office. Her candidacy not only perpetuates a dynasty but it is unconstitutional. The drafters of the 22nd Amendment did not include language “no person or their spouses” because it was implied and they probably didn’t believe any spouse would have the gall to run in contravention of the plain meaning and intent of the Amendment.
Because Bill is still alive and well and they are not divorced and remarried to different partners, her election will effectively give her husband a third term in office.
Why didn’t the Democratic Party stop this candidacy in its inception and frankly tell the Clintons that the Democratic Party can not vouch for them and go against our Constitution.
The founder of our country, George Washington set a precedent of only two terms and believed anything more would represent a return to monarchy. Washington could have served twelve terms or 50 years like Castro in Cuba if he had wanted to after leading our armies to victory against the British. Of the all the Presidents in our history, only one has broken this tradition and served more than two terms and that was Franklin D. Roosevelt before the passage of the 22nd Amendment to our Constitution in 1951.
Ironically FDR was from New York State and was a one term governor of New York before his election. FDR also showed little concern for the Constitution and unsuccessfully attempted to pack the Supreme Court when the Court struck down some of his legislative initiatives. It is ironic that the State of New York also gives us another Presidential candidacy that also directly challenges our Constitution with her very candidacy. This candidate wants to be the second exception to the rule that Presidents only serve two terms even despite enactment of the 22nd Amendment after FDR.
Hopefully like Wisconsin and Hawaii, Texas voters can block this candidacy by voting for Barck Obama and prevent the Supreme Court from having to weigh in later and declare this candidacy unconstitutional under the 22nd Amendment because it effectively gives Bill Clinton a third term in office.
Posted by: politicsandtraditions | February 20, 2008, 5:44 pm 5:44 pm
Let me understand this… you say that any presidential candidate HAS to be slandered? Why would we ever expect to hear and read all of these negative campaigning tactics? Why should that be acceptable or in some cases preferred? Would we allow our children to behave in this manner if they were running for their school’s president or would those children be restricted from running? We should expect MORE from our leaders than small children not less. Morals and standards should not be interchangeable to suit one’s whims or personal agenda- they should be like bedrock in a person’s soul. Do as I say not as I do is NOT the way a person should lead their lives.
Posted by: not4uHillary | February 20, 2008, 5:50 pm 5:50 pm
It seems to me that the Hillary fans are missing the point: part of the reason that she is doing as poorly as she is stems from the fact that she (and Bill) has been going negative for some time. It isn’t working. In fact, her dirty tricks are doing much to reinforce the idea that this is a woman who can’t be trusted. She needs to focus on the positive aspects of her campaign and ignore Obama, except during the debates.
Posted by: Deb | February 20, 2008, 6:02 pm 6:02 pm
I am just curious. Does anyone out there who is supporting Barack Obama think that Hillary Clinton has received media bias, especially on cable news station such as CNN, MSNBC, and FOX?
Posted by: Cindy | February 20, 2008, 6:14 pm 6:14 pm
The so called pro-clinton group is just a bunch of people being pressurized by lobbysts to save their interests in Washington by imposing people,dems at least,Hillary who ows lobbysts a hell of favours to repay!
Posted by: Clintontfatigue | February 20, 2008, 6:15 pm 6:15 pm
It scary that to associate freely and exercise your right to free speech, American Leadership Project has to set up this-or-that. We can thank McCain for that. But Hillary want to nuke radio…so I guess it’s a wash this year. Free speech. What a concept.
Posted by: mw | February 20, 2008, 6:16 pm 6:16 pm
Is Obama = Osama ?
Is Barak = Bin ?
Barak Hussain Obama is of Muslim (father) origin. Did that help him to stick to vote against Iraq war, since almost all muslims voice against Iraq war ?
Posted by: US Delaware | February 20, 2008, 6:22 pm 6:22 pm
Cindy,
I think the news media has a vested interest in promoting whichever candidate is behind. When Obama was chasing Clinton, he could do not wrong and there were very few negative articles / news stories. Now that he appears to be ahead, negative stories are coming out at breakneck speed. Why? Well, I was listening to CNN earlier and one of their commentators summed it up: he hopes the battle goes all the way to the convention because it is so much more fun this way. Consider this site: one of the columnists indicated that Obama was ‘rude’ in not waiting until Clinton had finished her speech last night–but he never bothered to check into the fact that Clinton started VERY late and Obama started on time. Should Obama been slammed for that? And he also said that Obama came out cocky when all he did was come out and give a five minute, gracioius thank you to Wisconsin; at the same time, the commentator never mentioned that Clinton failed, once more, to thank all the people who came out in freezing weather to vote for her. I understand we all bring our perceptions to bear when we check through the news, but it seems to be the level of praise vs. blasts changes depending on who is in front. Just my two cents.
Posted by: Kitty | February 20, 2008, 6:29 pm 6:29 pm
If Hillary does not get the nomination, vote John McCain. I don’t like John McCain, but I would vote for him to shut down the media who unfairly bashed the Clintons and to shut down the Obama supporters who blindly followed him without looking at the platforms. By the way, these are the same people who wished Bill Clinton could have stayed in the Whitehouse after Bush won. What a joke when it come to Odrama. What happened to solutions, policy, substance. Do not say go to his website. He should be full aware of his plans or the lack thereof. Last night was a very sad night for America. Get the matter out of your eyes and vote for the better candidate.
Hillary ’08′
McCain ’08′
Posted by: J. McCaskill | February 20, 2008, 6:31 pm 6:31 pm
When did the rest of the world like us anyways? We were always hated for one reason or another. This the-rest-of-the-world-hate-us thing is not new.
Posted by: Ano Nymous | February 20, 2008, 6:32 pm 6:32 pm
Are you kidding me? Stop the BS OBAMA people! You are all hypocrits and have been blasting Hillary from the beginning by calling her Polarizing and “the claws coming out” and Michelle’s “she can’t even run her own house” – the media played it over and over. Also I just received a mailer today here in OH and it shows false statements of Hillary’s plans and slams Hillary all over, paid for by the Obama campaign – His other mailer in Wisconsin was proven inaccurate as well. Obama will be going down shortly for all of these inaccuracies in his character and speech. HILLARY TAKE IT BACK IN TX, OH, PA, RI, AND PR!!! ALL THE WAY!
Posted by: William | February 20, 2008, 6:32 pm 6:32 pm
We didn’t change the name to Stupid House nor I-can’t-pronounce-the-word-nuclear House once Bush was elected. Why change it now?
Posted by: For "US Delaware" below | February 20, 2008, 6:35 pm 6:35 pm
DON’T GET UPSET IF YOU GIRL DOESN’T WIN THE ELECTION… VOTING FOR MCCAIN SIMPLY BECAUSE OBAMA WON IS A BIT PATHETIC…If Clinton wins, vote for her, it OBAMA wins vote for him… UNITE AS A PARTY don’t tear it down.
Posted by: Jorge | February 20, 2008, 6:37 pm 6:37 pm
Michelle got it wrong–there is no reason to be proud of this country when we still have so many people who hate based on color or (presumed) religion or heritage.
Posted by: Tika | February 20, 2008, 6:40 pm 6:40 pm
I don’t understand Clinton supporters, Hello everyone, the past is just that past Clinton, Monica Lewinsky, etc, etc. We need to open a new chapter in the american history and that new chapter, that change that we all deep inside want , that change only could come with Obama or McCain…………Please let all forget about the Clinton’s. The Bush’s…………So if you want to destroy america, vote Hillary Clinton.
Posted by: Lucy | February 20, 2008, 6:42 pm 6:42 pm
Why are Hillary supporters such sore losers? Let’s unite the Democrats behind the man who WILL win the presidency and stop this vitriol.
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I’ll share something else with those who want something different:
Before Bill Clinton’s missteps in South Carolina, his wife was referred to as Senator Clinton, Hillary, Mrs. Clinton, etc. Since said missteps, all the scuttlebutt around the Clinton candidate is framed as ‘the Clintons.’ I think this is detrimental to Hillary.
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Something else I realized this morning: By starting out as the nice guy, Barack prevented Hillary or Edwards from attacking him without appearing to be mean-spirited. Since she’s fallen behind, now she must attack and it smacks of desperation. I love it!
Posted by: We hold these truths to be self-evident... | February 20, 2008, 6:44 pm 6:44 pm
I was at a huge Obama speaking a few hour ago in Dallas,
Fact: he said that he was born and raised in Hawaii, after finishing college he moved to Chicago.
Then he started working with kids, trying to help them stay on the right path.
Posted by: Just Sceptic | February 20, 2008, 6:44 pm 6:44 pm
To Jorge: No one is trying to tear the party down. Its a matter of principle and objective judgement. You cannot compare Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama and and conclude tha the is the better candidate. The majority of people who support him cannot tell you why. You don’t find that disturbing? You just suppose to elect someone because they look different and their last name is not Bush or Clinton? The last name dosen’t matter, the family dosen’t matter. It is who is simply better for the job based on their platforms and believe it or not EXPERIENCE. Yes being First Lady is not an elected position, however you can’t deny that being in the role gave her some inside knowledge and know-how. I’m convinced her advice and opinion was sought. That is experience. Pior to meeting and marrying Bill Clinton she was working to better the lives of others. Ex: Children Defense Fund, women rights, civil rights, and healthcare. SHe is the better candidate.
Hillary ’08′
McCain ’08′
Posted by: J. McCaskill | February 20, 2008, 6:46 pm 6:46 pm
Obama voters are reminding me of Tom Cruise and Scientology. “Hope” & “Change” over and over and over. America must be cursed to have three morons like Obama, McLame and Hillary running for pretzeldent. Even bass playing Huckabee looks appealing compared to these 3. Obama is gonna tax your *** off if he wins.
Posted by: Freddy | February 20, 2008, 6:48 pm 6:48 pm
J. McCaskill: IN OBAMA DEFENSE…. CLINTON AS FIRST LADY TRIED TO GET HEALTH CARE PASSED BUT FAILED… IM NOT TRYING TO BE MEAN…. BUT SAME AS SENATE A FEW FAILED BILLS… THEY HAVE BOTH HAVE EXPERIANCE FROM DIFFERENT LEVELS… THE ONE HAVING MORE EXPN. DOESN’T HELP………. LOOK THESE TWO ARE GREAT PEOPLE, McCAIN WANTS TO CONTINUE THE BUSH POLICIES IN PLACE….. IN FACT…. OBAMA AND CLINTON BELIEVE IN ALMOST 90% OF THE TIME…. YOUR GOING TO VOTE McCAIN BECAUSE OF A SMALL DIFFERENCE OF 10% BETWEEN CLINTON AND OBAMA?????
Posted by: Jorge | February 20, 2008, 6:50 pm 6:50 pm
TO CONTINUE… IF YOUR REF. TO THE STATE SEN. FROM TEX. THE OTHER DAY HE JUST DIDN’T DO HIS HOMEWORK…. I THOUGHT HE LOOKED LIKE AN IDOIT BUT IT’S OK… OBAMA HAS DONE MANY THINGS…
Posted by: JORGE | February 20, 2008, 6:53 pm 6:53 pm
Well, the Clintons found a way to get big money out of their contributors who have maxed out for the primaries. Suddenly this new 527 pops up (MoveOn is no longer on Hillary’s team). Of course we all believe there will be no communication between Hillary’s campaign and this 527 — wink, wink! These people will lie, cheat and steal to get what they want; there is no stopping them. Hopefully a 527 will pop up to help Obama and the Clintons won’t make it through the primary season.
Posted by: DonW | February 20, 2008, 7:00 pm 7:00 pm
both candidates are strong. the primary is SUPPOSED to be a contest that is hard fought. don’t get too worried about hyperbolic campaign spats and hurt feelings. it’s a part of politics and human discourse. the party will come together. the obamas and the clintons will join together, maybe even on the same ticket. keep the faith.
Posted by: ted tyson | February 20, 2008, 7:04 pm 7:04 pm
Desperate moments requires desperate acts! the Barbarians are at the gates! This 527 group will protect the Castle’s(read corrupt undisclosed dealing lobbyist/politicians) interest. Long live duplicity!
Posted by: Munk | February 20, 2008, 7:09 pm 7:09 pm
To Jorge: At least you know where McCain stands, whether you agree or not. He has broke with his party on many issues. As far as the being in Iraq 100 yrs. That is a plausible argument. We still have bases in South Korea, we still have bases in Germany, among other places years after the war has been over. That is a solid argument? Obama just preach change. All change is not good. What does who plan to implement to bring change about. His economic plan is a direct copy of Hillary’s, his own speeches are not original. Come on, what is so appealing about this guy that a perosn objectively looking at this guy can say he is a better candidate than Hillary?
Posted by: J. McCaskill | February 20, 2008, 7:10 pm 7:10 pm
The Hillary Decalogue – 10 Good Reasons to vote for Hillary (1) She voted for the Iraq War – But if she had known at that time what she knows today, she wouldn’t have voted – Conclusion: she had no clue on what she was voting for, and was outmaneuvered by Cheney and Co. (2) She voted for the Law that made it more difficult for the Americans to declare bankruptcy (in favor of the Credit Card businesses) – Although she voted for, “she was happy that the Law finally did not pass”. Do you understand? Clear as water.(3) She forgave her husband for the Monica affair in exchange for his support to her New York Senate bid – love is always love.(4) She will show us her tax-returns when the primaries are over and “only if she is elected the nominee” – That is called transparency(5) She worked on the Wall Mart Board of directors, trying to avoid the workers to form a union, but she is concerned about the working classes….(6) Not satisfied for having supported the Iraq war, she gave George Bush a semi free-ride to attack Iran. Maybe bombing two nations, you get a discount….(7) She forgot already about the Whitewater scandal (a small youth affair) (8) She knows when to cry (after the defeat in Iowa) to seem more human and attract sympathy- shall she use the same tactics with Musharaff and Kim Il Sung? (9) If the law doesn’t favor her, let’s cancel the law. That’s how she tried to overturn the Nevada court decision allowing the Food and Casino workers to vote on their working place. After all, if they work, why should they want to vote? (10) She convinced her husband, Bill, to pardon Marc Rich for tax evasion on his last day in office ( 20 January 2001)- after all his wife, Denise Rich, had given her 1 million for her New York Senate campaign. – that’s also called gratitude and transparency
Posted by: reasons2vote!! | February 20, 2008, 7:15 pm 7:15 pm
It’s sickening and detesting the political because Obama did not tell the truth. Obama lied to American people due to the plargiarim and many thing. Nobody from White House tells the truth. American people who have a poor judgment against Hillary. That’s shame!! Jehovah is the best power government for us, but Obama’s speeches are bullshit!! Obamas lied to all people! American people must wake up and see how Obama’s speeches look like a hyrocite snake on American people! It’s very sickening to see Obama’s cheap talk!! Nothing!
Posted by: Karen | February 20, 2008, 7:20 pm 7:20 pm
To all Obama supporters: Have you ever wondered where more than half of his money is coming from [just about half is coming from small contributions]? Who are the “powers” behind him? George Soros for one.
A bunch of Chicago School economists are his major economic advisers [anyone read Naomi Klein's The Shock Doctrine: Disaster Capitalism about the Chicago boys?]. How about Zbig Bryzynski as one of his foreign policy advisers? He was responsible for Jimmy Carter’s disasterous Iran policy.
Think this through, people. And don’t get me started on David Axelrod!
Posted by: Green Lady | February 20, 2008, 7:23 pm 7:23 pm
Karen- Try an english as a second language class.
Posted by: eric | February 20, 2008, 7:26 pm 7:26 pm
Digusting news.
Posted by: Disgusted with Hillary | February 20, 2008, 7:28 pm 7:28 pm
Hillary, Hillary slander doesn’t work. What was the lesson from Wisconsin and South Carolina? 6/8 voters rejected independent and negative ads. Hillary is pathetic, she is liar, thief and murderer who only cares about her own interest and not the interest of her country.
Posted by: Tad | February 20, 2008, 7:29 pm 7:29 pm
I’m a Republican who is voting for Obama because:
(1) Hillary is evil
(2) Hillary is a liar
(3) Hillary is a megalomaniac
(4) Hillary is vicious
(5) Hillary is the past
Obama is the future. Obama will give our country four years of unity, eloquence, and grace. He’s smart enough to overcome his idealism and be a responsible, thoughtful, effective, and tough President.
I can’t stand the thought of 4 years of McCain or 4 (minutes) of Clinton.
Hillary’s “experience” is largely in the Clinton Crime Family’s White House.
To hell with that!
No more Bushes (ever) in the White House
No more Clintons (ever) in the White House
…is what all Americans need to pledge themselves to, at least for the next 48 years!
Posted by: Justin | February 20, 2008, 7:31 pm 7:31 pm
The Swift Boat campaign begins… If you play that dirty then you don’t deserve to be president.
Posted by: JT | February 20, 2008, 7:32 pm 7:32 pm
If anyone wants to know who Obama’s strong supporters are, look at this. One of his strongest supportes EARLY in his campaign was Hugh Heffner’s daughter, Christie Heffner. You know, the PORN KING EMPIRE. So, Let’s watch and see where the country goes if he gets elected.
Posted by: Truthspeaks | February 20, 2008, 7:38 pm 7:38 pm
Such a negative message from the Clinton camp. Meanwhile, the rest of the country is celebrating diversity!
Go Obama!
Posted by: FGB | February 20, 2008, 7:42 pm 7:42 pm
It’s about time someone jumps off the Obama free ride courtesy of the media. The more I read comments like these from Obama supporters the more I am determined to make sure Obama does not gain office – and I’m a democrat. The man has no substance. He refuses to debate Hillary one on one because he can’t hold a candle to her with policy or performance. And I’m sick of the Hillary war vote. Obama wasn’t in the Senate at the time, and sure he can say he wouldn’t have voted for it, but that’s complete heresay. It’s easy to give a speech against the war when you’re not being held politically accountable. This guy is a fraud. And he will not defeat McCain. There’s still time to WAKE UP DEMOCRATS. Vote for someone who knows how to get things done and has true experience.
Posted by: Eric | February 20, 2008, 7:42 pm 7:42 pm
The way the candidates run their campaigns should be a good indication of how they will run the country. Hillary is almost out of money, and both Clinton and McCain will be running negative ads. This is why things can’t get done. People are tired of the same old politicians. Obama! Obama!
Posted by: Sandra | February 20, 2008, 8:07 pm 8:07 pm
I am a conservative and I am going to switch over in Ohio to vote the Lying Clintons out. We will deal with the commie Obama later
Posted by: roy | February 20, 2008, 8:15 pm 8:15 pm
“I do not believe in negroes for president.”
Whoa! What century do you live in? Be careful, friend. You may be in the US, but statements posted on the Internet go out all over the world and views like this are not popular overseas. You are only presenting a poor image of your country.
What does race have to do with anything? All the human sciences confirm that humankind is one. The fact that there are more blacks in US jails than whites is a testament only to what centuries of racism and belittling other human beings has done to a very oppressed minority group.
These people are your fellow Americans. Your brothers. Differing from you only by a minor detail of outward appearance. Treat them as brothers, not as scoundrels and thieves, and that’s what they will eventually become.
Consider that white and black swallows fly in formation in perfect peace and harmony. They don’t even consider their difference on accont of color. How is it that human beings cannot be better than animals? Give that some thought.
Posted by: James | February 20, 2008, 8:19 pm 8:19 pm
The media just doesn’t understand whats going on in this election. It has nothing to do with race or gender. What this thing is about is;
A House divided , a do Nothing Congress, and Negative campaign tactics.
It’s simple really……..The American People are taking there country and White House back.
The Choice is………..Get out of the way , or get run over.
Posted by: Jim | February 20, 2008, 8:23 pm 8:23 pm
I think that it’s time for the media to stop being so biased about Hillary. They may not like her but they could at least ATTEMPT to look like they are being fair. Obama is not the baby Jesus, this is a political campaign, I think that Hilary is doing what she can to stay afloat especially in light of the fact that the media seems to take delight in bashing her, and the Obama sheep are so entralled by his copied speeches. Is this what we have become? No wonder GWB was able to get elected for a second term.
Posted by: Lavonne | February 20, 2008, 8:24 pm 8:24 pm
good job of reporting. i’ll be looking for this in the tv media as well.
Posted by: mamund | February 20, 2008, 8:44 pm 8:44 pm
He looks good, he sounds good, but can he “sing?” In a celebrity-loving culture like America, it is no wonder that Obama is ahead of Hillary. The American public glorifies celebrities –never mind that they can’t sing, dance or act. If they look good and have a turbo-charged marketing machine behind them, they can convince the American public that Paris Hilton can write books!! Now, I am not comparing Barack Obama to Paris Hilton. Clearly he is an intelligent man who knows how to stir emotions with the tone of his voice and the borrowed words of his colleagues. But this country needs more than a good orator. We need someone with experience to deal with major issues like the Iraq war, economy, health care and immigration — like Hillary! Yes, people, Hillary! I’m looking at this as if I am personally hiring someone for the most important job in the world. Two candidates – one man and one woman. One who will have to overcome a steep learning curve in a dangerous world, and another who by all accounts has already been there. It’s a no-brainer if you think about it thoughtfully. What baffles me the most is that WOMEN who gripe about a glass ceiling and the fact that woman don’t receive equal pay are choosing the male candidate who clearly is too green, oh but he looks goods. He sounds good. It is so typical of what happens everyday in corporate America. I am voting for Hillary because I have a greater confidence in her that she will be able to put policy into practice. One big reason is that when she talks, she tells you how she is going to do it. She is not just blowing hot air, skirting the issues or acting like a kindergartner like Obama does when attacked, crying, “Hillary did it too!” And let’s face it, she was married to a former president — a successful former president. Even some of his critics have admitted it. And as they say, behind every successful man is an equally successful woman!! GO HILLARY! I’m voting for you in Texas.
Posted by: jumar | February 20, 2008, 8:45 pm 8:45 pm
So my hope is going to be stolen yet again by the 527 of MY OWN FLIPPING PARTY? Is this a Democracy? Not really. It’s a Republic. And a dirty one at that. For all those who dismiss the Senator from IL for whatever reasons think twice about being careful what you wish for. We will all get, no matter the outcome, exactly what we deserve. Karma is a b!tch, eh?
Posted by: Lindal Halliday-Jackson | February 20, 2008, 8:56 pm 8:56 pm
The Media & Wall Street want to knock out Hillary & see Obama get the nomination. Cause then the Repblicans will bring up his Lies, hyprocristy, criminal & bed buddies. Which will unite the country in voteing for McCain. Thus making McCain the Republican president. Cause Wall Street owns the Medias & they are all Republicans with this agenda. So yes, it looks Like Obama will unite the country for the Republicans all right.
Posted by: georgie | February 20, 2008, 8:59 pm 8:59 pm
What needs to happen (and will, shortly) is getting Obama in a one-on-one debate, in which he’ll have to answer just “HOW” he plans to implement his vague and lofty goals. Not only do his socialistic domestic objectives total more than $875B in today’s dollars, he’s also a prime supporter of the Global Poverty Initiative, which will tax American workers to the tune of .7% of the GDP, a monetary amount of more than $850B. So, now we’re up past $1.7 Trillion. Oh yes, and he’s promising tax breaks to wage earners at the $75K level and lower. Enacting a massive tax hike by allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire and further increasing taxes on those earning more than $250K won’t nearly be enough. So we’re left with federal budget cuts. But, of course, Barack doesn’t want to discuss those. Let the debates begin! If Hillary can’t hit him on those issues, McCain will.
Posted by: Scott | February 20, 2008, 9:00 pm 9:00 pm
Larry Sinclair issue, LOL I hope the Clintons try to drag that one up oh Please do that would truely be an act of desperation. LOL. You know I offered Larry (I wanna be Larry the Cable Guy)Sinclair $100K to take a lie detector test, and he said he wanted the truth to come out and wouldn’t, but wait till September………ROFL….
Posted by: david t | February 20, 2008, 9:08 pm 9:08 pm
If Foreign Service meant just being on a senate committee, then a student who serving on a campus organization about HIV/AIDS in South Africa, for example, would also have “foreign service” experience. It means that one has actually had to interact, meet and negotiate with heads of state, their representatives or other foreign national leaders. It is in this sense that Obama has very limited experience, whereas McCain and Clinton have plenty.
Posted by: Mir | February 20, 2008, 9:08 pm 9:08 pm
This is shameful. How did this happen to my democracy? Anyone affiliated with a 527 should be sent to Gitmo and waterboarded.
Posted by: Philip | February 20, 2008, 9:10 pm 9:10 pm
How many of these posts are from camp hillary?
Posted by: sean | February 20, 2008, 9:15 pm 9:15 pm
i don t really un derstand why most of the people that commented seem to be against barack(is it because he s an african american?that s surprising i m not from the us but i ve been following the presidential elections since i was 13 years old ,if obama doesn t get to the white house you guys shouldn t consider yurself as a democratic free country,but a dirty corrupted republic.
Posted by: yassine | February 20, 2008, 9:16 pm 9:16 pm
If Hillary stopped to listen to Obama long enough to ponder on what he is actually saying, she would realize that doing away with the kind of negative attacks and other such polarising tactics as she makes uise of in her campaign is precisely the kind of change that Obama has been championing and Americans are lapping up in droves.
The more she engages in it, the more she underscores the imperative need for such change. And as we have seen in Wisconsin, the results speak for themselves. Undoubtedly helped along in no small measure by her attacks on Obama, she sank from a 15 point lead to a 17 point defeat in just a matter of days.
Hillary efforts to discredit Obama are as the actions of one who doesn’t understand what goodness is and doesn’t believe in it. So she dissects the body of one who is said to be good in a misguided attempt to prove that he has no goodness in him. All the time, meanwhile, his goodness shines all around her and is reflected in the faces of all who understand.
Posted by: James | February 20, 2008, 9:27 pm 9:27 pm
C’mon Hillary, fight your own battles. If you can’t run a campaign, how in the hell are you going to run a country?
Can we all see where this 527 will lead? A pro Obama 527 (hello Oprah!) to answer the pro Hillary 527. I’d expect this from the Republicans not a fellow Democrat.
Win or lose with a little dignity Senator.
Posted by: ENUFF ALREADY | February 20, 2008, 9:35 pm 9:35 pm
Excuse me Sandra but Obama has debated with Hillary eighteen times and will do two more debates.The only reason Hill wanted to debate was free exposure due to lack of money management in her campaign.In other words free ads for her.Obama does have substance and experience.All you have to do is look for it.I guess it is easier to buy into the Clinton’s running bull on his lack of experience though.
Posted by: kim | February 20, 2008, 9:39 pm 9:39 pm
George W. Bush went to Washington to change Washington. To usher in a new age of politics, where bipartisanship and reaching out across the aisle would change politics as we know it. Sure he was inexperienced, but that’s okay, advisor’s would help him out and everything would be just great! Obama reminds me so much of Bush it’s scary. School voucher’s, driver’s licenses for illegal immigrants, refusing public financing. Wake up Dems! We are going to lose again!
Posted by: Aurora | February 20, 2008, 10:05 pm 10:05 pm
white house . com with the Larry Sinclair story is going to come out, half a million people know and of course every person usually will tell 8 people… a millionaire Paying $100,000 for Obama ACCUSER to pass. That should help Obama
Posted by: Blair H | February 20, 2008, 10:18 pm 10:18 pm
Obama is currently the frontrunner for the Democratic nomination, and some people think that means he should be beyond criticism. I disagree. It is precisely because he is the current frontrunner that we need to question him. We can’t just rely on his talk to know if he’ll make a good nominee or president. We need to know if he can walk the walk. Just because he’s the frontrunner doesn’t mean that he is beyond criticism. It’s not too late to reconsider who will be our nominee. let’s give Obama and Clinton a hard look and vote based on who will be the stronger candidate and stronger president.
Posted by: Aaron | February 20, 2008, 10:32 pm 10:32 pm
>>>>George W. Bush went to Washington to change Washington. To usher in a new age of politics, where bipartisanship and reaching out across the aisle would change politics as we know it. Sure he was inexperienced, but that’s okay, advisor’s would help him out and everything would be just great! Obama reminds me so much of Bush it’s scary. School voucher’s, driver’s licenses for illegal immigrants, refusing public financing. Wake up Dems! We are going to lose again!<<<<
Bush had a track record of never giving clemency to death row prisoners, even if their convictions were obviously questionable, and publicly scoffing at a letter from one such convict pleading with him for mercy. His administration practiced torturte and misled the American public to buy into the misguided notion that torture was okay sometimes. He hijacked an election by the aid of his dad's friends and cronies in the Supreme Court and ran his campaign with the aid of special interests to which he was thereafter beholden.
He changed nothing and only made things worse. He did not build his campaign on the promise of change but on getting Clinton and Gore out of office.
Obama is the very antithesis of this. He abhors any kind of inhumanity to man. He never supported Bush's phoney war. He never voted for exceptions for torture. His campaign is clean and free of any connection to special interests. He is not about replacing Bush but making far reaching changes to the political system itself.
There is simply no comparison.
Posted by: James | February 20, 2008, 10:56 pm 10:56 pm
I am sick to my stomach with the Clintons and their smear tactics and greed for power and status. You see, this double-headed monster has no REAL power, they thrive on the power WE GIVE TO THEM. Time we true Americans who believe in “A GOVERNMENT FOR THE PEOPLE AND BY THE PEOPLE” rally behind Mr. Obama so we can achieve this.
Let the Clinton cynics say what they want to say evidently they live in the same world of crime,lies, slander, and deceit in which the Clintons live; they are no better than the Clintons. They have no idea what INTEGRITY, CHARACTER, AND HONESTY STAND FOR.
Posted by: NinaK | February 20, 2008, 11:06 pm 11:06 pm
There are some people in our Democratic Country that would do anything to get their candidate other that abide by the people. I think this is a disgrace and I know that 2 wrongs will not make things right, but if Hillary wins and I have truly voted democratic for years I am going to change my vote to McCain which I have heard that others are planning on doing
Posted by: diamonde | February 20, 2008, 11:29 pm 11:29 pm
Desperation reeks. The Clintons have lost any tiny bit of respect I had left for them. Dirty politicians.
Posted by: Karl | February 20, 2008, 11:35 pm 11:35 pm
Does the Clinton campaign wonder why their negative attacks on Obama are not working? Let me tell you. Obama has created a social movement. His supporters become a part of the social movement. Every time there is a negative attack on Obama, his supporters, as an active particpate in the social movement, take it personal. An attack on Obama is a personal attack on each of his supporters.
Keep it coming Clinton and McCain, every negative statement made about Obama only makes his supporters stronger in their support and willing to donate more time and money to his campaign. Not to mention it makes us dislike you all the more!
Posted by: Shawn | February 20, 2008, 11:43 pm 11:43 pm
The way we democrats are name-calling and clawing each other’s eyes out ONLINE is frightening and shocking. At this rate, McCain and the republicans will be laughing all the way to the White House, while we try to patch our party back together.
I will not say who my chosen candidate is, but I will say that unless the primaries/convention/election is clearly rigged or stolen by another candidate (2000 election PTSD, anyone?), I *will* vote for whichever democrat ends up on the ballot in November. Period.
If we can’t work together as a party, we are doomed. Our candidates have more in common with each other than with another republican president. And that’s what matters!
PLEASE, dems, put down the sharp pokey sticks and focus.
Posted by: Tempered | February 21, 2008, 12:15 am 12:15 am
Obama outspent Hillary in Wisconsin, using lots of attack ads, negative calls,… but nobody in Media seems to be interested to talk about that.
Posted by: change we can't believe in | February 21, 2008, 12:17 am 12:17 am
“Celebrating diversity?” You mean the one who lost the white, asian, latino, and gay vote in california? Obama’s diversity = 90% of blacks and college kids from all over the map. Instead of universal health care, Obama will be pressured by “civil rights leaders” to push for universal affirmative action. If you wanted to be treated equal, the first rule is not to have special programs to take college seats away from well-qualified students. Oh yea, and for all his campaign’s tech prowness, Obama lost Santa Clara and San Mateo counties in California, the *heart* of Silicon Valley.
Posted by: Tim | February 21, 2008, 12:19 am 12:19 am
Obama’s latest smear campaign;
Will he stop at anything to be elected?
New York Times, a known Obama whorshiper published a story without any substantiative evidence to smear John Mccain’s ethical records.
Posted by: cheap shot | February 21, 2008, 12:29 am 12:29 am
I would hope that you people would not turn racial on this campaign because we should putting the best candidate that can make this country stronger – a person who can make our dollar worth what it says ( a dollar not .50 cents)and I am sure you people dont want to go there. He has not played dirty politics and has new ideas – we all do – some work and some don’t but at least we have goals – Obama is the Man. NO MORE CLINTONS
Posted by: diamonde | February 21, 2008, 12:31 am 12:31 am
Hillary, is the only candidate who did not have any relationship out of her marriage in this election!
She represent the ethical and moral choice in this election!
Posted by: Hillary44 | February 21, 2008, 12:33 am 12:33 am
“cheap shot”
What are you TALKING about???
Blaming Obama for the NYT article on McCain is stupidest thing I’ve heard today!
Perhaps the NYT story broke the story to deflect media attention about the Campaign Finance Lawsuit against HRC that’s scheduled to be heard in California…ON THE SAME DAY.
Posted by: T.P. | February 21, 2008, 12:37 am 12:37 am
You all are listening… but you are not hearing!
Patrick did not have the right to give Obama permission to use those quotes. They belonged to Roosevelt, and to Kennedy, and to Martin Luther King! and if their words were borrowed, these people deserved to have been acknowledged!
And it IS a big deal! It was Martin Luther King’s dream, NOT Obama’s.
And Obama’s whole campaign was based on shallow eloquence.
And too many of us have been taken in by the sounds… and not enough sensed the weakness of substance.
And this and his color were 99 percent of what he had to offer.
And at first I was proud of the mixed races which flocked to the sound of his voice.
But them I noticed that though the whites welcomed his poetry,the race which clung to him the most… as if he were a saviour… were the blacks. And I realized that this poetic man who chanted on about change…. had already done what he’d promised.
He had catapulted us back in time to another time of change……the 50′s.
Only the people had been reversed.
Posted by: questioner | February 21, 2008, 12:50 am 12:50 am
WHO IS THE NEXT OBAMA’S VICTIM?
Obama’s latest smear campaign!
NY Times a known worshiper of Obama published a story today WITHOUT ANY SUBSTANTIATIVE EVIDENCE to smear John Mccain and his great ethical records!
WILL HE STOP AT ANYTHING TO BE ELECTED?
Posted by: cheap shot | February 21, 2008, 12:51 am 12:51 am
In the 2nd scandal of sort, CBS revelead tonight that Obama has used several lines of Edwards in his speeches!
Media did not say if he has any permission from Edwards to do that.
Obama! you have nothing to offer, even your rhethorics are not yours!
Posted by: plagairizer | February 21, 2008, 1:01 am 1:01 am
These posts are absolutely ridiculous!
This country needs to integrity and a leveling of the playing field. This negative mudslinging is out of hand! The American people are fed up with it and are doing something about it!
Bottom line, neither of the candidates have been President before. Change for the better. Regardless of who wins the faceoff in the Democratic Party, People are sick of the Republicans.
Posted by: Obama Is Our Next President | February 21, 2008, 1:02 am 1:02 am
Did you expect anything less from HRC? This is what you do when you state publicly that the race will be over by Feb. 5 and on Feb. 20th you find yourself 0-10. Bring it on Hillary and 527s. Maybe you can dial up Rove and the old Swift Boaters who are looking for work? They’ll help you get the nomination…that’s the Republican party’s only hope for victory.
Posted by: jrw34 | February 21, 2008, 1:03 am 1:03 am
It’s good there are still many independent-minded democrats who have now realized that they ought to exert all efforts to put forward the best, most qualified presidential candidate, that is Hillary Clinton. There are seemingly insurmountable obstacles, such as the media’s excessively pro-Obama slant, and the Obama camp’s attacks with seeming impunity. Everyone knows he pales in comparison to Hillary in terms of substance, exeperience, capability and grit (just think how long and how much she’s been taking from Republicans and now from Obama spin masters).
Posted by: rosecc | February 21, 2008, 1:08 am 1:08 am
These posts are absolutely ridiculous!
This country needs integrity and a leveling of the playing field. This negative mudslinging is out of hand! The American people are fed up with it and are doing something about it!
Bottom line, neither of the candidates have been President before. Change for the better. Regardless of who wins the faceoff in the Democratic Party, People are sick of the Republicans Party as it is.
Posted by: Obama Is Our Next President | February 21, 2008, 1:25 am 1:25 am
If Hillary and her aides and supporters stopped for a minute to ponder what Obama is actually saying, it might dawn on them why her negative attacks are pitifully backfiring.
Doing away with such polarizing tactics is precisely the kind of change that Obama has been championing and Americans are lapping up in droves. The more she engages in it, the more she underscores the imperative need for such change, playing right into Obama’s hands by proving his point for him and thereby digging her own political grave.
As we have seen in Wisconsin, the results speak for themselves. Undoubtedly helped along in no small measure by her attacks on Obama, she sank from a 15 point lead to a 17 point defeat in just a matter of days.
Hillary efforts to discredit Obama are as the actions of one who doesn’t understand what goodness is and doesn’t believe in it. So she dissects the body of one who is said to be good in a misguided attempt to “prove” that he has no goodness in him. All the time, meanwhile, his goodness shines as the sun all around her and is reflected in the faces of all who understand. All she has to do is to open her eyes to see and incline her ears to listen.
Posted by: James | February 21, 2008, 1:55 am 1:55 am
Obviously the article is implicating that Obama’s patrons who donate large sums of money don’t do the same thing….
Why hasn’t the media performed research on the “millions” in his war chest? Especially since one individual who helped raise funds for Obama will be on trial next Tuesday. Groups like these were common during the 2000 and 2004 race. They are common now with hateful websites indicating to stop Hillary from becoming the Democratic nominee. Obama’s camp leader was a former B. Clinton appointee who worked with an Energy law firm after B. Clinton’s term ended (no public service there, other than to get paid litigating the corporate giants interests/patents).
Obviously many individuals with deep pockets and a distaste for anything Clinton will continue to help in fundraising for Obama, placing untruthful ads (which could also be considered slanderous) [check a nonbiased site, factcheck.org]. As a matter of fact, I think Obama has learned a LOT from his distant cousin ;). He’s learned how to attack at something which is not entirely factual, but since he’s made it his mantra, it is sticking:
“You Voted For the War”
Cheney: It’s awfully hard to convey a sense of credibility to allies when you voted for the war…and then you voted against supporting the troops…
Factcheck’s comments:
Cheney Overstates Iraq Resolution
Cheney repeatedly said Edwards had voted “for the war” and “to commit the troops,” when in fact the Iraq resolution that both Kerry and Edwards supported left the decision to the president and called for intensified diplomacy.
The resolution for which Edwards and Kerry voted said, “The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate.”
And Edwards made clear in a statement at the time of his vote that he hoped to avoid war by enlisting broad support from the United Nations and US allies:
Edwards ( Oct. 10, 2002 ): I believe we should act now for two reasons: first, bipartisan congressional action on a strong, unambiguous resolution, like the one before us now, will strengthen America’s hand as we seek support from the Security Council and seek to enlist the cooperation of our allies.
If the administration continues its strong, if belated, diplomacy, backed by the bipartisan resolve of the Congress, I believe the United States will succeed in rallying many allies to our side.
Second, strong domestic support and a broad international coalition will make it less likely that force would need to be used.
In fact, not even Bush himself characterized the resolution as a vote “for war” at the time. Speaking at the White House Rose Garden Oct. 2, 2002, Bush said:
Bush (Oct. 2, 2002): None of us here today desire to see military conflict, because we know the awful nature of war. Our country values life, and never seeks war unless it is essential to security and to justice. America’s leadership and willingness to use force, confirmed by the Congress, is the best way to ensure compliance and avoid conflict. Saddam must disarm, period. If, however, he chooses to do otherwise, if he persists in his defiance, the use of force may become unavoidable.
Therefore I fail to see why the media hasn’t pointed this unbiased article’s research out, unless…..
they’re favoring one candidate over another which is a t r a v e s t y in journalism. Senator Clinton can accept monies from the group just as Obama can accept monies from the Crowns, and other groups of individuals…but we’ll never know the extent until journalists discover the tough answers and state the truth.
Obama has excellent points to reason with, however with agreeing with most points of Clinton and then ‘number crunching’ to see how they can be articulated differently– without a ONE on ONE debate (I roll my eyes when he mentions 18 debates!), there is no way to respectively judge the two. And to think of what Obama said about Edwards, whom I supported first before accepting Hillary as my candidate, substianted my disappointment with the media’s myopic views.
Posted by: ConsiderChange | February 21, 2008, 1:58 am 1:58 am
You people in America – if you elect the Clintons over Obama you just might as well go to San Quentin and find a criminal to become president. Have you people no morals. These 2 people have seedy backgrounds and you are willing to overlook them just because of your prejudices and they lie – she states she has 35 years of experience – when – she just became a Senator after her husband’s term was up or was she running the White house while bill was partying with his women. Come on people we need a change.
Posted by: diamonde | February 21, 2008, 2:15 am 2:15 am
Wow, what a skeevy scheme to thwart campaign finance laws!
This 527 is ILLEGAL – you’re not supposed to just get your supporters (Wesley Clark, Chuck Shumer, Gray Davis – worst politician ever, Villarigosa, Richardson) to form some shill group to solicit $100k contributions. However it’s probably just easier for Obama to let her lose on her merits rather than play that trashy game of filing lawsuits the way camp Hillary likes to do, even when the law isn’t on her side like in Vegas.
Probably an act of desperation, given that her campaign was $12.6million in debt by the end of January . . .
Posted by: SamTheCat | February 21, 2008, 2:56 am 2:56 am
Seems Hillary supporters weren’t the first ones to make these moves. So Obama supporters can plaese cease with the condemnation seing they were the first group culpable of this.
“A 527 group financed by Obama supporters spent more than $1 million assisting Obama going into Super Tuesday and a union-backed 527 ran ads on behalf of Edwards in Iowa.”
by Associated Press
Wednesday, February 20, 2008
Posted by: How about all the facts | February 21, 2008, 3:29 am 3:29 am
Wow, Hillary’s folks are getting desparate. She’s turned out to be GW Bush in a pantsuit. Ugh.
Posted by: Lumpy | February 21, 2008, 3:36 am 3:36 am
Clinton still has some legal options available to her. Hopefully, she will soon sue the Democratic Party in the courts, in order to get the votes from Florida and Michigan released.
Yes, this would probably destroy the Democratic Party, but who cares? Just so long as Clinton gets to be the nominee is the only thing that matters.
Posted by: Ben Jeyre | February 21, 2008, 3:40 am 3:40 am
>>>Why hasn’t the media performed research on the “millions” in his war chest? Especially since one individual who helped raise funds for Obama will be on trial next Tuesday. Groups like these were common during the 2000 and 2004 race. They are common now with hateful websites indicating to stop Hillary from becoming the Democratic nominee.<<<
My friend. It's precisely these kinds of negative attacks that are dooming your case.
Posted by: James | February 21, 2008, 3:41 am 3:41 am
Eeew – that 527 you listed Eva is gross! I can’t believe the guy put is his picture up on the site . . . LOSER! lol
William A. K. Titelman, a Rite-Aid lobbyist held a $230k fundraiser for then-Governor of Pennsylvania Tom Ridge. Rite-Aid was subsequently awarded an $11mil contract to manage the state’s rx drug program, despite several bids coming in with lower proposals. At around that time, Rite-Aid hired Titelman as their Executive VP. Titelman later retired from Rite-Aid, receiving a settlement of Rite-Aid stocks and options.
My question is why on earth does a professional political fundraiser go out and form a 527 along with Hillary’s highest profile political backers when Hillary’s campaign is heavily in debt rather than any time before?
The only one with the motive to establish a public 527 is Hillary, and that’s illegal.
It’ll be interesting to see who donates to this 527 . . .
Posted by: SamTheCat | February 21, 2008, 3:43 am 3:43 am
Wow! Can you say sore loser.
Posted by: James | February 21, 2008, 3:45 am 3:45 am
“The Republicans want Obama to get the nomination. It would be a gift to McCain.”
Yeah, sure, I guess that’s why he’s teamed up with Hillary to try to smear him out of the race. He’s scared silly that Obama will win because he knows he doesn’t stand a chance against him.
Posted by: James | February 21, 2008, 3:53 am 3:53 am
William A. K. Titelman has another instance of donating to a politician who’s shown a proclivity to hire those who donate the most to his campaign.
William A. K. Titelman used his son to make a donation to Ohio Attorney General Marc Dann, and was subsequently hired to defend Dann in a fraud suit against Fannie Mac.
Furthermore, Hillary’s advisor Harold Ickes is considered the mac-daddy of 527′s . . . not supposed to have candidate’s agents/strategists involved in forming 527′s . . .
Posted by: SamTheCat | February 21, 2008, 3:56 am 3:56 am
The primaries in USA are being keenly followed in rest of the world too. As an outsider w, i can only say that there is nothing called a “clean politician.” They are all shades of grey. But what America and the world needs is an able politician well versed with running economy and capable of creating a smart team + smart foreign policy.
I wonder if you would remember a rather naivete remark by Senator Obama in invading another country a few months back… Where is the change that he is talking about? He had mentioned in a TV debate that he would go after OBL and AQ and even invade countries. That was belligerent and reminiscent of the current Political ethos.In the same breath now he talks about having ” never” voted for the war. Are his fundamentals correct? Or is he cherry picking from various speech writers. The republican campaign is far more sedate and they stick to their rationale..are they more honest? Also Sen Obama has supposedly had a cheqered history of drug use..So find it hard why most Democrats are drooling over Obama.Sen Clinton should have refained from personal attacks.
In the end, its a interesting to the rest of the world and other democracies in terms of marketing gimmicks, showbiz et al that become part of their campaigns amongst serious issues.
Posted by: K.Mohan | February 21, 2008, 4:13 am 4:13 am
The Clintons need to look at saving what is left of their legacy and make sure whether they win or lose this thing they fight it clean from here on out. They have already destroyed their relationship with the African American community and are in serious danger of doing the same with a large number of Democrats if they go dirtier! I understand wanting to fight it out to the end, but not the need to destroy the party if it gives them a chance to some how steal the nomination. Hillary still has a chance to come out of this with a good reputation and a chance to remain a leader in Democratic politics for decades to come, but if they continue to rely on negatives to win this race she is endangering her future as well as what is left of the Clinton legacy.
Posted by: Max McGloin | February 21, 2008, 4:15 am 4:15 am
Do NOT DIVIDE the ‘democrats’let’s share democratically defeats and gather around the winner…
Around Obama we have people who used to work with Clinton and Kennedy which Great!
Posted by: F.K | February 21, 2008, 4:21 am 4:21 am
You know I am a republican that is not voting for john Mcain and I am trying to decide between Hillary & Obama. Quite frankly I have found so many negative posts about “republicans” on Hillarys blog I chose not to even sign up, i gave up and I am going with Obama. So much for unity.
Posted by: Natalia | February 21, 2008, 4:23 am 4:23 am
sam the cat I am sorry you are wrong.
Saying Obama didn’t have anything to do with that 527 doesn’t mean there wasn’t an Obama 527 that ran ads prior to Super Tuesday. There was and they did. end of story
This 527 is also being run by supporters same as Obamas. The Clinton campaign has not endorsed this. It is not illegal that is your spin and if it is then so is Obamas because that 527 did not cede spending limits by donors.
You can’t put blinders on and trot out the usual campaign line of we didn’t do it so its different for us
I would wonder why these strong democrats people feel so strongly agaisnt Obama to create this group.
As for quid pro quo allegations you don’t want to go there with some of Obamas biggest fundraisers. Exxelon and Univerity of Chicago hospitals even Rezko and more. He doen’t exist in a bubble he is out there and no different.
“the American Leadership Project would file public reports with regulators listing its donors and the amounts they spend.” associated press
Don’t twist the facts you are giving your interpretation and spin but not facts. Funny how Obamas was keprt low key by the media tell me can you tell me who was involved in his???
Posted by: msg to sam the cat | February 21, 2008, 5:06 am 5:06 am
lol – ‘msg to sam the cat’ . . . got it over and out :D
It is just my assessment – that’s a legitimate point. We will have to agree to differ.
I base it on stuff like the NOTE at the end “Some minor tweaks in diction to this post were made for accuracy about the actual ads. And the sentence about the ads not mentioning Obama by name was added.”
It’s just a pattern I see of the Clintons following the letter but not the spirit of the law, using half-truths and lies by omission. I’m pretty sure I’m not the only one who’s noticed that trend, and I dare say that might be a substantial part of the reason Barack is where he is and Hillary is where she is.
jmo! :D
Posted by: SamTheCat | February 21, 2008, 5:15 am 5:15 am
My my the Obama maniacs are out in force today! Where’s the gene pool cleaner? Don’t they realise they are concertedly working towards the downfall of their own empire? Does anyone think John McCain will have the least difficulty cutting wee Baracka down to size? lol Fools.
Posted by: Margherita | February 21, 2008, 6:27 am 6:27 am
‘laughing my head off’, I think you’re missing the point – Obama had nothing to do with that 527. He didn’t endorse it, and encouraged the founders to instead contribute directly to his campaign. By doing so, he limits the amount of their contribution but gains control of the message he wants to put out. Obama isn’t short of funds because he’s motivated many of us to want to donate.
Hillary is not ceding either limitations on the amounts of the contributions or control of her message by setting up an illegal 527 through use of shills. It means somewhere down the road this politically-connected New York based fundraiser might be in for a payoff at the State’s expense . . .
Just pointing out that Hillary is once again not playing by the rules . . .
Posted by: dia20 | February 21, 2008, 6:40 am 6:40 am
Watch out everyone, the cultists are out.JUST WORDS? Osama did the same exact thing with a 527. Now all the cultists dont like it. JUST WORDS? The media is completely biased towards the Clintons. JUST WORDS? I have changed my mind about voting for this freak? JUST WORDS? By the way I made this speech up myself.
Posted by: dave | February 21, 2008, 6:45 am 6:45 am
Hillary unlike her husband is the only candidate in this race, without no relationship out of her marriage!
Let’s elect a woman! end this cycle of male corruption and sex scandal in Washington!
Let’s face it guys! We are nothing but animals! We alwasy need women to guid us!
How many stories have you heard about a female politician scandal in the past?
Answer: none!
Posted by: let'sfaceit | February 21, 2008, 7:11 am 7:11 am
The media is so soft on Obama it makes me sick to watch, especially MSNBC and Chris Matthews with that TINGLE UP HIS LEG at an Obama speech.
On feb 26 Obama accuser will take a polygraph hosted by Dan Parisi Millionaire owner of whitehouse.com and yet MSNBC did a BREAKING NEWS alert on McCain.
Like it or not Half a million people are keeping up on the Obama and sinclair story. It is coming out, even if the story is he failed
Posted by: Blair H | February 21, 2008, 7:30 am 7:30 am
O bama is winning because a lot of clinton supporters are crossing over to his side as a result of negetive advertisment and unhealthy statements from clinton and female journalists in America.
Also Sen McCain is already afraid of obama in the general election. This is a shame on McCain.
Hillary CANNONT MANAGE her campaign team properly, how then will she manage a big country like america.
Jide from IRELAND.
Posted by: olajide | February 21, 2008, 8:08 am 8:08 am
Lets face facts. The press is giving their baby Obama a free ride. The press admits as much and justifies it by saying they gave the new comer Bill Clinton a free ride in 1992. ————– If the mainstream press will not report Obamas shortcomings, then whats wrong with concerned citizens reporting it? The press does not like it when they are shown up at doing their job. ——–
I say good for the Clinton supporters. Tell us where we can send donations.
Posted by: Johnny at Work | February 21, 2008, 8:12 am 8:12 am
to Johnny at work, lets face facts
So ethics reform was not pushed through by Obama at the Illinois state senate level? Single-mothers in Illinois did not get a break on public transportation and their kids do not ride for free? He has pushed through no healthcare or childcare initiatives while serving as a state senator? He has worked with no Republicans on bi-partisan legislation at the state or U.S. level? He has not pushed through legislation that would require the use of cameras when interrogating suspects of capital crimes and did not receive a commendation for his efforts by the police force? He did not put forth an extraordinary effort with bipartisan support to gain and protect resources for the rebuilding efforts of Hurricane Katrina and to prevent no-bid contracts like Halliburton from occurring like in Iraq under Hillary’s watch and non-opposition? He did not produce the most sweeping ethics reform since Watergate as quoted by other media sources? He did not work on legislation to deal with the issues of Darfur? And all media agrees he was consistent on being against the Iraq war eventhough Bill continues to lie about it over and over again despite the media pointing out that he’s wrong.Hillary has been First Lady most of her adult life and served has 7 years as an elected official versus Obama’s 11 total years as an elected offical (4 in the U.S. Senate this year), exactly what hard core pieces of legislation has she brought to the table besides SCHIP? I’ll be waiting for a substantive response. How much of her experience is Bill’s and how much is actually hers? Besides, do you really want to continue handing the country back and forth between the Clinton’s and Bill’s second newfound family the Bush’s? Jeb Bush will likely be running in 8 more years and win too, because he’s actually supposed to be the smart one. The best thing to do is to end this senseless familial dynasty stuff now or pay for it for the next 12-16 years. Real change starts with proof of change.
Posted by: Mike at home | February 21, 2008, 8:25 am 8:25 am
Since the News Media is biased, anti-Clinton’s, I feel that they and any other candidate should go out side of the “puffery” and do their own thing. !!!
Posted by: Jack K. | February 21, 2008, 8:29 am 8:29 am
I’ve been hearing a lot about “solutions not speeches” or “sound action not sound bites,” but I fail to understand how these “solutions” or how this “sound action” has helped us so far? I do believe Mrs. Clinton is an intelligent person, but when I think of the troubles we face, I know I don’t want a person who goes on the attack whenever things are not going their way. How do you speak of family values while acting like a child kicking and rolling (this is of course a hyberpole)? I know we’re going to need someone willing to make compromises (nobody’s policies ever escape the House or the Senate without compromise). I know we need someone who is willing to work with people even if those people are not who we like. I know we need someone who will be honest with the public even when most would advise to be dishonest. Clinton is not this kind of person. Her “actions” have proven that within the last month. She made me realize that Obama is exactly the kind of president this country needs.
Posted by: Puma41 | February 21, 2008, 8:29 am 8:29 am
I had not seen this until persuaded by other posters to take a look.
I tried to post links to this story but they were censored by ABC.
ABC is publishing allegations about McCain, Why are allegations about Obama off limits?
Posted by: Johnny at Work | February 21, 2008, 8:32 am 8:32 am
Google Obama and Sinclair. I had not seen this until persuaded by other posters to take a look.
I tried to post links to this story but they were censored by ABC.
ABC is publishing allegations about McCain, Why are allegations about Obama off limits?
Google Obama and
Posted by: Johnny at Work | February 21, 2008, 8:35 am 8:35 am
olajide, She thinks she is managing her campaign properly for her interests. The sad truth is, that she wants to get the nomination by all means. I am sure she will pull out all the stops to score off Barack, instead of making her own point. In her latest speeches she always is comparing herself with him. She should (have) show(n) herself as a unique candidate, not comparable. And not with ” Si,se pueda” – is that right?” Apparently its wrong and embarrassing.
Posted by: Mike at home | February 21, 2008, 8:55 am 8:55 am
Obviously Obama is the front runner for a reason. If Clinton was as great as her supporters claim then she would have more people voting for her.
Posted by: thatgirlb | February 21, 2008, 9:24 am 9:24 am
Obama has been using 527 since January. But of cause he didn’t tell any of his supporters. He has been touting that he use money from small donor. Mr. Obama, the truth will always come out in the end.
And help is on the way for Hillary. For once we can have the level playing field.
Posted by: joeysky | February 21, 2008, 9:39 am 9:39 am
thank god; it’s about time. after the despicable crap obama pulled in nevada, he and his supporters have NO RIGHT TO COMPLAIN.
Posted by: kangeroo | February 21, 2008, 9:46 am 9:46 am
Here is an Obama accuracy. Obama says we must Change the Cast in Washington, because you can’t get change with the same old players.
But he also says that he is the only one who can reach out to Republicans and Independents, and be a uniter to get things done.
Well Obama, which is it? Can you only get change by changing the “Cast”? Or, Can you get change by working with the people in Washington now.
Obamas supporters are blind to this obvious incompatibility in Obamas rhetoric.
Obama could say he just drowned a litter of kittens by throwing them over a bridge and his glassy eyed followers would still wildly cheer.
Here’s another Obama hypocrisy. Obama sys he will start bombing Pakistan if Osama is found to be hiding in Pakistan’s mountains. Obama says if Pakistan is harboring terrorists, he will bomb it.
Yet, Obama claims he was against bombing Iraq from the git go, even though Sadaam was known to harbor and support terrorists, paid the families of suicide bombers, supported terrorists in Gaza, and Lebannon, had made threats against the west, and continually targeted allied aircraft in the no fly zone. It was also believed that Sadaam had WMD’s, and he was known to use WMD’s when he did have them.
Also, Pakistan is the ally of the US and the west, does not support terrorism, and has been instrumental in capturing terrorists, including 911 masterminds Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Abu Zubaydah and terrorism suspect Ramzi bin al-Shibh.
Obama, who claims he did not support authorizing the use of force in Iraq, a country who’s leader harbored terrorists and threatened the west, says he will bomb our ally Pakistan if Osama is found in the mountains. Even though it is known that Osama does not have WMD’s.
George Bush was wrong in the way he used the authorization from Congress. But Obama is wronger than wrong, and a hypocrite.
Obama is wrong on how and when to fight terrorism, wrong on immigration, and wrong to steal Hillary Clintons positions on health care, education and the economy.
Posted by: Johnny at Work | February 21, 2008, 10:16 am 10:16 am
Well, for goodness sake, somebody needs to delve into the “real” Obama. So far the media has refused to do it. Now that they’ve almost succeeded in handing him the democratic nomination on a silver platter, they have set their sites on disparaging McCain with 10 year old allegations, while we still haven’t penetrated the surface of the Obama facade. And as someone who would prefer a worker, like Hillary Clinton, in the White House over a smooth talker like Obama who’s actions seems to contradict his words, I don’t have a problem with it. Associates of his campaign have been running negative ads against Clinton via the 527s since before the Nevada Caucuses. I guess it’s only news when someone other than Obama does it.
Posted by: Mary | February 21, 2008, 10:26 am 10:26 am
Well, for goodness sake, somebody needs to delve into the “real” Obama. So far the media has refused to do it. Now that they’ve almost succeeded in handing him the democratic nomination on a silver platter, they have set their sites on disparaging McCain with 10 year old allegations, while we still haven’t penetrated the surface of the Obama facade. And as someone who would prefer a worker, like Hillary Clinton, in the White House over a smooth talker like Obama who’s actions seems to contradict his words, I don’t have a problem with it. Associates of his campaign have been running negative ads against Clinton via the 527s since before the Nevada Caucuses. I guess it’s only news when someone other than Obama does it.
Posted by: Mary | February 21, 2008, 10:32 am 10:32 am
I believe in Obama because I believe in hope and change and Obama believes in hope and change. And if I believe in hope and he believes in hope then there must be hope for a better future and a better past and a better life.
Yes, I believe in Obama….
Posted by: mda | February 21, 2008, 10:40 am 10:40 am
Finally, an organization goes to bat for Hillary. It’s about time someone organized something big to counter all the crap Obama, his supporters, and the media have thrown our way.
Let me ask you hopeful people this: How is Obama going to clean up a corrupt government in 4-8 years? Do you guys not realize that he can’t deliver even a TENTH of what he has promised you?
Posted by: sricki | February 21, 2008, 10:53 am 10:53 am
Of course there is a group formed outside all boundaries or ethics and accountability for Hillary. It’s a Clinton signature.
Quick comment. Ironic note that it’s through SPEECHES that Hillary decries SPEECHES over solutions. What solutions did she ever pull off, except to enable Bill”s philandering. If his career would go down, so would hers.
These are great questions posed by someone on another blog. ” Questions for Hillary that will never be asked.
If you want the voters to rely on your White House experience why will you not have the records of your time in the White House released now?
If you want the voters to rely on your ability to manage money why will you not release your tax records now?
How can you guarantee the American Public that your new CoPresidency with Bill Clinton will not have as much indiscretion and scandal as your last?
I believe that Hillary took the 5th or did not remember, did not recall or did not know the answers to over 1000 questions during various investigations and grand juries she was summoned to attend during her years as CoPresident. That being true, I would also like the following question asked.
Mrs. Clinton, you did not remember, did not recall, did not know the answers to over 1000 questions regarding your time in the White House. How is it you remember all your experience in the 35 years since you graduated from college but could not remember what you did or what happened in the White House during the time you were there?
Have fun.
Hera
Posted by: Mara | February 21, 2008, 11:11 am 11:11 am
All you HRC supporters, you remember the proverb: A drowning [woman] clutches a straw. What is it HRC can deliver on that Obama cannot? America needs a new image. It has a lousy foreign policy at this time. I am sure Obama is the right person for to take care of that.
Posted by: Marlon | February 21, 2008, 11:17 am 11:17 am
527? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thank God at last someone is coming to rescue Hillary.No this has been unfair of the American Press this is bad!!!!!!!!!!!! CNN, NYT ETC. because we dont really know if to say that the American election is no more Obama for president but American press for president. I think we should say insted of Obama for president CNN for president or NYT for president
Posted by: Tiptop | February 21, 2008, 11:25 am 11:25 am
Barackcrazies and Obamacrazies i think it is time to drop your craziness and face realities .Please stop being crazy and vote solutions rather than craziness.Vote Hillary to save you rather than Obama the author of craziness that will make you more crazy
Posted by: Tiptop | February 21, 2008, 11:34 am 11:34 am
This is petty, dirty politics people. So we have to ask ourselves… do we want a politician or a president?
Do we want a politician who will so desperately attack? Or do we want a change?
Posted by: Lindsey | February 21, 2008, 11:37 am 11:37 am
Come on media…. do your real job…. vet Obama…. and then make it public…stop protecting him until it’s too late…
Posted by: kathy | February 21, 2008, 12:01 pm 12:01 pm
Time is of the essence here. We need to stand up for this wonderful country.
Thank the Lord for this fantastic group of people who want to save this country for a debacle! I am impressed for their passion, intelligence and true creativity.
Obama get ready for REAL competition. I believe that he is a good success story; but from that to become the next President of the United States of America, there is a gap that only Hillary can fill. She is a woman with the intelligence, conviction, experience credentials and resolve that are required for the “job”.
GO Hillary !!!
Posted by: Sol | February 21, 2008, 12:24 pm 12:24 pm
While Hillary has been working diligently on setting up her 527 to smear Barack Obama, he was winning his 11th primary in a row. The Democrats Abroad primary. Obama 65%, Clinton 32%. Picked up another 22 delegates.
Posted by: GC | February 21, 2008, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm
—–Obama Supporter congress man on national television can’t even name one accomplishment
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People just like the personality or attribute- nothing else and no accomplishments. Its pathetic some of these people show up for vote with out knowing anything and haring to some anti-Clinton media and talk show hosts
Posted by: david | February 21, 2008, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm
This will backfire on Hillary. She has not been able to convince voters that she will be ready on day one. How are we supposed to believe that if her campaign hasn’t been ready since day one? She is proving that she will say and do anything to win the nomination. What a pity.
Posted by: Enrique | February 21, 2008, 12:56 pm 12:56 pm
Hillary’s campaign can’t raise enough money for this election, so she is now relying on outside sources to advertise for her. Sad.
Posted by: Enrique | February 21, 2008, 12:59 pm 12:59 pm
Ha Ha Ha – It is pretty funny watching the HRC supporters start to froth at the mouth… just like Hillary. You can just sense the level of desperation. This is not the kind of person who should be president. As far as McCain.. the press has been giving this guy a free ride. It’s time to put the lights on him. There are so many Republican Obama supporters I know (The smart ones anyways)
Posted by: jan | February 21, 2008, 1:20 pm 1:20 pm
hillary hasn’t apologized for the war!
it’s really that simple. had she done so when we all ‘realized’ (aka, ‘woke up’) it was a mistake she should have apologized.
too bad she is so stubborn and pig headed because she would have made a great president.
Posted by: lnelson | February 21, 2008, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm
Once again, all those HRC supporters who like to pull out the “experience” card have never actually compared the two on the issues. The fact is, Obama’s ideas are innovative and work to solve the cause of our countries problems. Clinton’s ideas are analagous to band-aids. Need I remind you, if a wound doesn’t heal then a band-aid is bound to fall off. Stop telling me to “Wake up” from my Obama support! He is the only person that has the ability to lead this country out of the land of Bush despair. I ask you to “Wake up” and stop believing everything that Hillary tells you. Think for yourself!
Posted by: Les | February 21, 2008, 1:58 pm 1:58 pm
I guess the Clintons’ have coined a new phrase for the ages- vetting out. It seesm that their self touted advantage is that their weakness should be cepted because they are well know; impeachment, . whitewater, lobbyists, dissembly, race baiting, divisiveness. Okay so they’re “vetted”; does the fact that we know the horse is lame make her a favorite to win the race? If Obama’s survived the campaign of personality assault so far, a clique of wealthy 527 henchmen isn’t going to “vet” out any achilles heel that will cripple the once dark horse turned odds-on favorite down his home stretch.
Posted by: sean.o | February 21, 2008, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm
Where did Hillary get her so-called 35 years of relevant experience? She graduated law school at age 25, she is now 60. Do these “35 years of experience include the time she spent at the Rose Law Firm trying to make all the money she could?
Posted by: JBate | February 21, 2008, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm
Obama Supporter congress man on national television can’t even name one accomplishment
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It got to be more serious than this – People just like the personality or attribute- nothing else and no accomplishments. Its pathetic some of these people show up for vote with out knowing anything and hearing to some media and talk show hosts know how to target audience. I prefer Clinton or McCain not the media favorites and talk show hosts (wish they could go back to B spears and others )
Posted by: david | February 21, 2008, 2:11 pm 2:11 pm
It’s too bad for Obama that the throngs he is generating in Ohio and Texas had to register to vote by Feb 4. We won’t see day of the vote registration by the slackers in these states.
Posted by: Johnny at Work | February 21, 2008, 2:13 pm 2:13 pm
Where did Hillary get her so-called 35 years of relevant experience? She graduated law school at age 25, she is now 60. Do these “35 years of experience include the time she spent at the Rose Law Firm trying to make all the money she could? The time she spent at Wal-Mart fighting the employees’ attempts to form a union? Or maybe it includes the time she spent working on the White Water land deal, or Travel Gate or the time she spent with Foster. As someone else said, “The truth and Hillary Clinton are complete strangers.”
Posted by: rhbate | February 21, 2008, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm
Mara – you said “Let me ask you hopeful people this: How is Obama going to clean up a corrupt government in 4-8 years? Do you guys not realize that he can’t deliver even a TENTH of what he has promised you?”
How the heck do you expect to clean up a corrupt government WITHOUT ELECTING SOMEONE WHO SAYS THEY WILL TRY? You have to start somewhere. We aren’t thinking that everyone will suddenly get along. But things will be a lot better with someone who sets a tone of cooperation than someone who fights bitterly with everyone that crosses her.
But what should we expect from supporters who applaud setting up an organization to get around campaign finance laws in order to sling mud at the opponent.
Posted by: GC | February 21, 2008, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm
When promise sound too good to be true, you have to immediately consider what’s next right after sweet offer? sounds negitive for some people only know about dream, But this is also the wisdom people will learn from real life. Politician is no different.
In this race, Integrity is my first priority.
Posted by: Joy | February 21, 2008, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm
Barack Obama’s campaign has been financed by supporters donating $10, $50, and $100. Since Hillary hasn’t been able to raise enough money to match Barack, she is replying on wealthy donors in this new ‘swift boat’ scheme.
Posted by: Enrique | February 21, 2008, 2:47 pm 2:47 pm
rhbate, you bring up a great point. At 60, Hillary should have 35 years of experience. The question is how many of those 35 years of experience was she accountable to voters? Let’s do the math. She was elected for the first time to the Senate in 2000. That would give her 8 years of relevant experience.
Posted by: Enrique | February 21, 2008, 2:58 pm 2:58 pm
OK. It’s only good when Obama’s folks make up junk about Hilary. It’s bad when Hilary uses real information against Obama. Heaven fobbid we do anything against our christ and savor lord Obama.
Posted by: ThinkNow | February 21, 2008, 3:12 pm 3:12 pm
Why are Obamanods crying foul YET AGAIN over nothing? There is nothing illegal about a 527. There is nothing hidden here, no secret. We all know who the people are behind it.
Posted by: Sandrah | February 21, 2008, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm
I remember the 2000 election. People said, G W Bush does not have experience, but his charisma is so great. I can drink a beer with him. Look at what talk without substance brought us here. 8 lost years.
Don’t make a mistake again electing Obama based in his charisma. I listened to all his speeches and he uses a lot of common sentences but he is not addressing or saying how he will fix it. “We have to change”, yes we can change to the good or to the bad. etc…….
Think twice before vote from Obama
Posted by: Unbelievable | February 21, 2008, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm
Forget the candidates “SLAMMING” each other. Politicians have always done that thru-out history. CITIZENS of the United States of America…PLEASE…Remember what’s the candidates are “about”. What they stand for. And from now on, people of the United States, hold our future Presidents and their Administrations accountable, to US. And not live in fear anymore, after having our Constitutional Rights stripped, by this current President and his Administration. I thought that crime doesn’t pay? (We have been paying him a salary) I thought that violating an U.N. Charter was a crime? God help us for letting THIS current President get away with his crimes….We just sent a message to future Presidents that with money, you can do ANYTHING. Shame on us, and God help the future generations.
Posted by: Ann | February 21, 2008, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm
Do you know that Obama is being endorsed by the P.R. man for President Bush. I saw the article on MSN news. That’s something to think about.
Posted by: Ann | February 21, 2008, 3:36 pm 3:36 pm
Obama has been buying off delegates and caucases across the country, right and left by contributing 4 times as much to their campaigns according to the center for responsive politics. And it’s PACs that are finding it and all that is is money from Oprah and Will Smith and the like. They can contribute millions to Obama and they have. It’s really criminal, the whole thing.
Posted by: Jane | February 21, 2008, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm
This kind of action is Washington politicos at their worst. Patriotism is the farthest thing from their minds; the concept of it being a privilege and to serve your country instead of your cronies in way over their heads. WE NEED BARACK OBAMA TO END THIS NOW!!!
Posted by: Jacqueline | February 21, 2008, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm
Regarding the Center for Responsive Politics blurb, note that both Clinton and Obama have raised money for fellow democratic candidates (Obama has been more successful at it apparently!). Supporting the campaigns of fellow democrats is a way of supporting the party, and much of this support came before Obama even decided to run. In addition, note that Obama has raised more than twice as much money for superdelagates that have NOT expressed support for his candidacy than for those who have expressed support. Hard to argue from this that hey is buying off superdelegates.
— Since 2005, Obama’s committees gave $228,000 to superdelegates who have endorsed him, $363,900 to those who were still undecided, and $102,400 to those who have endorsed Clinton.
–Clinton’s committee’s gave $95,000 to superdelegates who have endorsed her, $88,000 to those who were still neutral, and $12,500 to those who have endorsed Obama.
Posted by: Phil | February 21, 2008, 4:18 pm 4:18 pm
To state that OB has deep connections with asians because his half sister is indonesian( this is from an article from Yahoo press) is trying to make a case in favor of him. In California the asians that mostly voted for Hillary Clinton are vietnamese and chinese. They are not muslim as the indonesians. And they are not sexist. The chinese may vote republican because they like order. So do the vietnamese but they had rather vote for Hillary. So the connections OB has with asians as suggested are not that deep because of differences of cultures, nothing to do with race. They believe in the culture of experience and they think OB is too inexperienced period. Tired of the media trying to pull the cover to their favored candidate.
Posted by: Jane | February 21, 2008, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm
This is just too funny. Some of the statements are so ridiculous, it has to be a joke. Folks, you can’t argue with ignorance and this is clearly a ploy to create negativity and stir up hatred for each other. God sees and knows all and as long as you are prepared to accept responsibility for statements and actions . . . go for it because you will have to pay for it.
Posted by: dotheresearch | February 21, 2008, 4:29 pm 4:29 pm
Ok, here is a question that Obama will never answer. I have asked it again and again to his website and they have yet to answer me.
Where did you go to school BEFORE college? I want to know what you were raised on BEFORE college. What was your childhood life like what were you brought up to believe and to pray in? I don’t want to know about your parents parents childhood, I want to know about yours!!!!
Posted by: Tina | February 21, 2008, 4:46 pm 4:46 pm
I really did not want to accept the media reports that say Clinton supporters are generally undereducated. However, after reading their postings here, I think they have removed all doubt. There may be a few educated people supporting Clinton, but education is not an indication of common sense.
Posted by: joes | February 21, 2008, 5:14 pm 5:14 pm
Good Job on trying anyway! We will bring change for our generation! We need to do it now, or these old people will shut out our generation with ideas of the future. Not to be persuaded anymore! Welcome in the New Generation of people who stand for bringing people together! Starts Now..with OBAMA!
Posted by: SgtMaj | February 21, 2008, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm
I noticed that Obama was being blamed by at least one person as being responsible for the McCain smear.It should be noted that the first report on McCain was from Matt Drudge from the Drudge report.It should also be noted that the Drudge is very right wing and anti democrat.Look to your own party for the John McCain “leak” After all they thought McCain wasn’t conservative enough for their taste.
Posted by: kim | February 21, 2008, 5:22 pm 5:22 pm
Me, I’m hoping Obama goes all the way to the White House. Because then we may hear a newscaster utter the crown jewel in the Osama-Obama-Blunderama: “American president Barack Osama confirms U.S. forces have just captured Obama bin Laden!”
Posted by: Tony | February 21, 2008, 5:33 pm 5:33 pm
The Clinton effort to raise funds without responsibility… ambiguous ads that suggest attack on Obama while offering lowered expectations as the only alternative… What an embarrassment to the Democratic party! Disgusting.
Posted by: Emmanuel Winner | February 21, 2008, 5:34 pm 5:34 pm
If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we’d all have a merry Christmas
Posted by: Barney | February 21, 2008, 5:56 pm 5:56 pm
She and her group are right: action speaks lower for itself!
To win a losing compaign, she acts just like her political partner called Bill Clinton. They are using all these dirty tricks, in this case, gathering money to spend purely for her smear compaign against Obama without taking any responsibility.
In the way, one can see that at least McCain promoted campaign finance reform so such tricks can not be easily played. In this sense, voting for Hillary Clinton is worse than voting for McCain — no principle, a hopeless old dirty political way!!!
Vote for hope, vote for inspiration, vote for a decent person, vote for the better future of this country, Vote For Obama!!!
Posted by: JZF | February 21, 2008, 6:03 pm 6:03 pm
As a democrat, I can guarantee you that we will NOT vote for Obama should he win the democratic nomination. He is neither qualified, nor honest with his dealings. He is constantly whining to the media when he or his wife is under any sort of scrutiny for their blunders. He writes things off as “making too deal over it” or being “swift boated” or “slander” or “smearing”. Everything has a spin, but never does it come with an apology …. and the worst part is that HE NEVER TAKES RESPONSIBILITY FOR HIS ACTIONS.
I mean, if I wanted another George Bush in the white house… someone who never admits his mistakes… then why even bother with this election? Obama is another George Bush…someone who NEVER takes responsibility for his actions. Never apologizes.
So – should Obama be the democratic candidate, then we WILL be voting for McCain. Guaranteed.
Posted by: sue lee | February 21, 2008, 6:54 pm 6:54 pm
Typical Clinton sleaze and big-money, special-interest poltics. It won’t make any difference — she’s going down and she knows it.
Posted by: Mark C | February 21, 2008, 7:02 pm 7:02 pm
To the person who said Obama has the Asian American support behind him, simply because his brother-in-law is Asian… well… we see the logic in THAT argument from the Obamaphile.
Over 70% of Asian Americans in California voted for Senator Clinton, compared to Obama’s measly showing of Asian support. He has a snazzy website going, but it’s all a flash in the pan.
I’ve spoken to a NUMBER of Asian American friends, who say that if Senator Clinton does not win, they will be voting Republican for the 1st time in their lives.
For someone who touted himself as the agent of change, he is afraid to deal with minority issues… be it Asian American inequality issues, or Hispanic inequality issues in America.
BTW: we see beyond the smoke and mirrors and all the flash, and beyond the fluff and candy clouds, there literally is NOTHING there.
Shall we count how many times he says “HOPE” and “CHANGE” and “PRIDE” in a speech? What speech does he have left without the Messianic message of HOPE and CHANGE. I’m sorry… my salvation does not rest in this mere person who can’t even keep his story straight.
See Rezko dealings. “I do not recall..” to “I spoke with him on the phone”. Whatever!
Posted by: sue | February 21, 2008, 7:03 pm 7:03 pm
Obama-manics get all in arms and attack Senator Clinton and her campaign whenever things do not go well for their “messiah”.
Shall we forget this little piece of Obama sleeze and lies:
Obama Toured His Now-Home With Rezko Who Was Under Investigation At The Time Feb. 20, 2008
Watchdog groups are questioning why it took Sen. Barack Obama more than a year to disclose additional details of his dealings with indicted fundraiser Antoin “Tony” Rezko.
Lawmakers Call for Congress to Probe Bodies Shows in Wake of ’20/20′ ReportExclusive: Drug Smugglers Dig Record Number of Tunnels in 2007Fugitive Watch: Have You Seen This Woman? While Rezko was known to be under federal investigation, Obama toured a Chicago-area home with him to get his opinion of the property, Obama’s campaign revealed to Bloomberg News for a story published Monday. The politician later bought the home, with Rezko’s help, who bought the adjoining lot in what was effectively a package deal.
Until then, Obama has professed trouble recalling such details during interviews with reporters.
Posted by: eileen | February 21, 2008, 7:09 pm 7:09 pm
Apparently Hillary hasn’t raised enough money from the lobbyists and political action committees she’s in the pocket of (Obama has taken not one cent from either) so she has to get a bunch of rich friends together to pretend to be an independent group.
The usual Clinton garbage. Glad she’ll be gone soon.
Posted by: JJ | February 21, 2008, 7:18 pm 7:18 pm
This all just shows that in America everything is for sale, even the presidency. I don’t know if Obama will be a good or a bad president in the event he wins, but in this moment he has given ordinary Americans some of their selfrespect and dignity back as well as a fighting chance to halt the sell out of our country to big business, corporations, pressure groups and corrupt politics. America has been much too long focused on money and profit and has forgotten all about what our forefathers fought for: We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
Think about what today remains of the dreams for which they gave their lives and which candidate will be the most likely to restore to the people what belongs to the people! I think the answer is clear enough to all.
Posted by: Philip | February 21, 2008, 7:24 pm 7:24 pm
Obama’s financial dealings is rather suspicious. He is always being a hypocrite… always asking for Clinton’s taxes. But what about his insider stock trading? oops… did I claim the holy one to have done some “sin”? Oh dear. ;)
Less than two months after ascending to the U.S. Senate, Barack Obama bought more than $50,000 worth of stock in two speculative companies whose major investors included some of his biggest political donors, the NYT will splash on Wednesday Page Ones.
The paper claims, according to newsroom sources: One of the companies was a biotech concern that was starting to develop a drug to treat avian flu. In March 2005, two weeks after buying about $5,000 of its shares, Obama took the lead in a legislative push for more federal spending to battle the disease.
The paper’s Mike McIntire and Chris Drew get front placement [side by side with Libby Coverage] for details of Obama’s most recent financial disclosure:
It shows that he bought more than $50,000 in stock in a satellite communications business whose principal backers include four friends and donors who had raised more than $150,000 for his political committees.
A spokesman for Obama says the senator did not know that he had invested in either company.
Posted by: james clark | February 21, 2008, 7:26 pm 7:26 pm
Yeah… Obama claims all innocence in not knowing. Just like he claimed he didn’t know Tony Rezko was being investigated before speaking with him on the phone about his house purchase.
Interesting how the Chicago papers were plastered with Rezko being investigated the month before Obama put his offer to purchase on the home.
I guess Barack Obama fails to read the front pages of the Chicago news paper.
In the same manner, he claims he didn’t know about the companies and their dealings when he bought their stock. Shall we dig a little further??
Lets watch the Obama worshippers shake and quake and spin their way out of this one.
Posted by: sue | February 21, 2008, 7:31 pm 7:31 pm
Do you know that Obama is being endorsed by the P.R. man for President Bush. I saw the article on MSN news. That’s something to think about.
He QUIT McCain’s campaign because he said that he respected Obama and could not stomach the kind of smear ads that would he would be forced to use to bring him down.
I don’t see Obamamaniacs, I see Hillarymaniacs who support a war monger who doesn’t see anything wrong with cluster bombing children and voted for the Kyl-Lieberman bill. The Hillary supporters ARE undeducated, old women. I am a woman, but I can certainly tell the difference between a candidate of quality (read about his agenda instead of parroting that he has no plan)and a selfish, unfulfilled, unproductive, war hawk candidate. The Hillarymaniacs can vote for McCain if they so choose. It would be like voting for Hillary.
Posted by: Helen | February 21, 2008, 7:37 pm 7:37 pm
WILL THE CLINTON’S FRIENDS “BODYCOUNT” RISE BEFORE THIS ELECTION IS OVER, IN ORDER TO CONFIRM A WIN?
Posted by: AID2USA | February 21, 2008, 7:39 pm 7:39 pm
I think the Republicans will eat Obama alive. All the more reason to jump on the McCain bandwagon now.
Unfortunately Obama has become enbroiled in various dealings with less than ethical characters. His campaign (for the Senate and now the democratic race) accepted money/cash from various coporations, and various figures. Obviously he has made so many promises to everyone he is stretching out his hand to, that I wonder if he’ll be able to keep all his promises straight.
Regardless, another relationship which will cause him future problems include his relationship with William Ayers, a University of Illinois professor and former member of a left-wing terrorist group that planted bombs in U.S. federal buildings in the 1970s.
Ayers served with Obama on the board of the Woods Fund, an antipoverty group, from 1999 to 2002, and donated money to his 2001 Illinois state Senate campaign.
Posted by: sue | February 21, 2008, 7:49 pm 7:49 pm
Can we all say hypocrite really loudly and slowly??
For more than five weeks during the brutal winter of 1997, tenants shivered without heat in a government-subsidized apartment building on Chicago’s South Side.
It was just four years after the landlords — Antoin “Tony” Rezko and his partner Daniel Mahru — had rehabbed the 31-unit building in Englewood with a loan from Chicago taxpayers.
Rezko and Mahru couldn’t find money to get the heat back on.
But their company, Rezmar Corp., did come up with $1,000 to give to the political campaign fund of Barack Obama, the newly elected state senator whose district included the unheated building.
Obama has been friends with Rezko for 17 years. Rezko has been a political patron to Obama and many others, helping to raise millions of dollars for them through his own contributions and by hosting fund-raisers in his home.
Obama, who has worked as a lawyer and a legislator to improve living conditions for the poor, took campaign donations from Rezko even as Rezko’s low-income housing empire was collapsing, leaving many African-American families in buildings riddled with problems — including squalid living conditions, vacant apartments, lack of heat, squatters and drug dealers.
Posted by: matt | February 21, 2008, 7:53 pm 7:53 pm
To the poster below, you should also add L-I-A-R to the list to describe Obama.
Apparently, as a state senator, Barack Obama wrote letters to city and state officials supporting his political patron Tony Rezko’s successful bid to get more than $14 million from taxpayers to build apartments for senior citizens.
Interestingly, the deal included $855,000 in development fees for Rezko and his partner, Allison S. Davis, Obama’s former boss, according to records from the project, which was four blocks outside Obama’s state Senate district.
Obama’s letters, written nearly nine years ago, for the first time show the Democratic presidential hopeful did a political favor for Rezko — a longtime friend, campaign fund-raiser and client of the law firm where Obama worked — who was indicted last fall on federal charges that accuse him of demanding kickbacks from companies seeking state business under Gov. Blagojevich.
The letters appear to contradict a statement last December from Obama, who told the Chicago Tribune that, in all the years he’s known Rezko, “I’ve never done any favors for him.”
Posted by: sue | February 21, 2008, 7:57 pm 7:57 pm
Being European, and kind of indifferent, I ‘m right now even more appalled at the first couple of comments then at the actual article. I don’t know when people are going to realize it but it’s all the negativism that’s just undermining all credibility and dignity. If this is how you treat your fellow patriots, using this kind of negative attacks against a pretty impressive phenomenon, you’ve got a lot to learn…. O8
Posted by: H | February 22, 2008, 12:37 am 12:37 am
Howard Deen where are you???
Will you let the Clintons get away with this under-the-table-sleeze? No wonder Bill was not at the debate, he is in a back room approving and directing all the ads for this 527 project of corruption.
I can’t believe one of the guys on the list above is from the kerry/edwards 2004 campaign. Yuck!
Please, please great spirit do not tell me that Edwards is backing her. If he does, he will forever disappoint his former supporters and loose all political credibility.
The underhanded dealings going on for her kept her from totally wigging out tonight at the debate.
Posted by: girlygirl voter too | February 22, 2008, 2:36 am 2:36 am
I think if obama wins the nominee, it would be a cake walk for the republican machinery to work, it will be very difficult for him to survive the conservative 527 group attack, it would go some thing like “would you want america to be ruled by a Hussein ?” That is all it takes for the poll numbers to tumble.
I think this election is clear now itself who will be the president, there is too much hype and hoopla going in the media, I don’t understand why CNN has to hype their polls towards one candidate they like.
The 527 have the power to tilt the election as they did for john kerry, hillary has a chance in fighting but still McCain will win.
Posted by: Core | February 22, 2008, 3:19 pm 3:19 pm
OBAMA SUPPORTERS: Obama needs more hope.
According to the Chicago Tribune, Antoin “Tony” Rezko, one of Obama’s main political contributors, was arrested Monday morning for concealing a $3.5 million payment the indicted slumlord received from a Beruit company tied to a certain Nadhmi Auchi, an Iraqi billionaire embroiled in a corruption scandal in France.
Antoin “Tony” Rezko was roused at daybreak Monday from his Wilmette mansion by federal agents and ordered jailed by a judge who was disturbed that the politically connected businessman concealed a $3.5 million payment from overseas. …
Prosecutors alleged the $3.5 million wire transfer to Rezko came from Beirut through a company led by a controversial Iraqi-born billionaire who has controlled banks, casinos, telecommunications companies and pharmaceutical firms spanning the globe.
Nadhmi Auchi, who heads General Mediterranean Holding SA, or GMH, bought about 15 Wisconsin pizzerias from Rezko, court records show, and took a stake in Rezko’s most ambitious real estate venture–his effort to develop a 62-acre site at Roosevelt Road and Clark Street.
Auchi participated in more than just Rezko’s pizza and property ventures, however; he also contributed to Barack Obama’s campaign by donating to a 2005 fundraiser through a company of which is wife is a Director. I quote the relevant paragraph from a London Times exclusive”
The Times has, however, discovered state documents in Illinois recording that the Panamanian company Fintrade Services SA lent money to Mr Obama’s fundraiser in May 2005. Fintrade’s directors include Ibtisam Auchi, the name of Mr Auchi’s wife. Mr Auchi’s spokesman declined to respond to a question about whether he was linked to this business.
The donation is significant, for some believe Barack Obama may be one of the unnamed “Illinois government officials” mentioned in the following ABC News report on the FBI affidavit filed in US Attorney Fitzgerald’s case against Rezko before Obama’s political godfather was arrested on Monday:
According to an FBI affidavit filed in the case, Rezko sought to get a visa for Auchi to visit the United States by contacting “certain Illinois government officials.”
Rezko sought the visa on behalf of his friend in 2004, and Rezko helped Obama finance the real estate transaction involving his Kenwood mansion in 2005. We also learn today that Auchi’s company has deleted information on two websites regarding Auchi’s visit to Illinois in 2004 upon hearing that rumors of a meeting between Auchi and Obama are circulating in the US.
Why did Auchi donate to an Obama fundraiser in 2005? Did Obama meet Auchi during the spring of 2004? What was Obama’s role in Rezko’s request for a visa clearance for Auchi? And why did Rezko financially assist the Obama family less than one year later when they jointly purchased property in the Kenwood neighborhood of Chicago?
MyDD:Obama, Rezko, Auchi, 2005 Donations
Posted by: Dana | February 23, 2008, 4:07 am 4:07 am
Don’t let all the “ads,surrogates,mailers” make your decision about who you support. Listen to the candidates, compare their policies. How do they behave under pressure, how do they behave in success and in defeat? Who has taken the most and lowest shots at the other.
Do you want 4 more years of the Clinton-Bush “monarchy”? Is it time to bring new ideas and a new politics? It is the young voters who should care as they will be here to clean up the mess created by the current generation of long term politicians and politics as usual.
If nominations are won in the same old way using the same old politics – why would anyone think that they won’t get the same old thing?
A novel concept is to let the voters speak and have the final vote as to the nominee.
Negative shots, negative ads and tearing the candidates down wll destroy the Democratic party and will give the White House to the Republicans.
Think about what you say, think about what you want, think about the conduct of the candidates, their surrogates and the 527′s that back them.
Will you be a part of new politics and new ideas or will you fall for the old style of politics and more of the same?
Posted by: bw | February 24, 2008, 6:15 am 6:15 am
Hillary seems flustered and she just didnt expect to overtaken at this stage.. Everything she does seems just plain wrong.. She is so negative in her approach, And her speeches are so put on and appear desperate. Dynasty politics never work.. Cause, It will be nothing but a re-trial of a ‘legacy’ of failed domestic policies.. Yes, the Clintons maybe more experienced when it come foreign affairs.. But things should change at the national level.. And thats where the charisma of an Obama is needed. Fresh Ideas and a Positive approach.
Yes, Bill Clinton got elected for the same reason Barack Obama will be..
Sometimes, things are better left in the past. A Clinton is very much like the wonder years of a child.. Yes, We must’nt forget the lessons we learnt in our childhood, but at some point in time, We need to grow up. I ask all americans to accept a “change” that is inevitable. It should not have taken so long, but the time has come.
Posted by: Dominic | February 24, 2008, 8:32 am 8:32 am
A Hillary PAC running positive ads now is like Hillary finding her voice in New Hampsire – fatally late and amazingly clueless that it is. Besides, how’s that supposed to play with her scalding (and came off as scolding) actions over his mailers? Schizophrenic. Disorganized. Desperate. Done.
Posted by: SE Croft | February 24, 2008, 9:08 am 9:08 am
Mrs. Clinton receives MONEY from SPECIAL INTERESTS and the wealthy!
This sounds like her husbands former NAFTA policy and the Swift Boat camp!
However, I feel sorry for all these wealthy lobbyists and Washington insiders because they are just going to lose their money when Barack wins Ohio and Texas by a landslide! Why not give all of that money to CHARITY???
Posted by: Raphael | February 25, 2008, 9:27 am 9:27 am
Regarding Barack Obama and my reasons for not liking him and not voting for him.
Many of them are logical and I cannot debate his supporters who come back with illogical responses based on personal jabs and loss for words thus things like “You’re a waste of time.”
I also have gut feelings about him that aren’t quantifiable but they are logical.
Since we don’t know a lot about him, since he doesn’t have as much of a history as Hillary Clinto for us to say, “OK, he is a pretty responsible person, he doesn’t have a chip on his shoulder about being an “African” American (he really isn’t but I suppose that’s neither here nor there in most instances), he is definitely completely PRO USA and has no ties or allegiances to Farrakhan, etc.
I am still perplexed about his membership in a church (Christian?), that aligns itself with Farrakhan, a Muslim (another reason for my gut feeling).
He goes back on his promises, votes present in IL senate to preseve HIS political standing rather than trying to go on record as opposing a bill in it’s final form or better yet, CHANGE IT! WORK TO CHANGE IT! THIS CANDIDATE OF CHANGE DOESN’T SEEM TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS IN IL VERY EFFECTIVELY!
He said he would not run for president in 2008. Then he said it was due to wanting more experience, etc. OK, so according to some of his supporters here, he was told what a wonderful candidate he would be.
This just proves that what he says today in his campaining can DEFINITELY be manipulated and changed by OTHERS. He can be made to change HIS mind and go against his own promises and visions.
So that among many other things makes me wonder what changes we can believe in today which he will go back on tomorrow.
He is too raw, new, inexperienced and flaky to have my vote.
Posted by: timeforchange | February 27, 2008, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm
what about larry sinclair it must be reported even if he is a black man its called being in the down low
Posted by: dave | March 8, 2008, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm
I’m sick of all these people who are calling for Clinton to drop out. They are probably quitters in their own lives, or they’d admire Hillary’s tenacity, and know that is one of the most important qualities of a leader. In addition, the foundation of a democratic society is to count ALL the votes, and not to prematurely pull the rug, just to serve the needs of a particular political party. I’ve also noticed that most of the anti-Hillary postings do not attack her on substantive issues, but instead merely consist of nasty insults. This says more about Senator Clinton’s detractors than about Mrs. Clinton. Also, the lock-step nature of the anti-Hillary blogs appear to be a coordinated and organized effort by the Obama campaign.
Posted by: Lee | May 29, 2008, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm
Like many Clinton supporters, I don’t like Obama … I can not longer recognize, nor do I like the Democratic party anymore … therefore, I wish Hillary would run as an Independent. It’s worked for other candidates … like Joe Leiberman. At least as an independent democracy would prevail if Hillary won the popular vote … again.
Posted by: Lee | June 5, 2008, 11:58 am 11:58 am
In a democracy, why should Senator Clinton’s loyalties to the democratic party transcend her loyalties to the 18 million Americans who voted for her? In a democracy, why should the self interest of a few hundred party delegates transcend 18 million popular votes? Although Senator Clinton is being made out to be the spoiler, I see the DNC as the spoiler of democracy … that’s why I’m a democrat of 40 years, who will be voting for McCain in November.
Posted by: Lee | June 7, 2008, 9:47 am 9:47 am
Don’t you media people ever get tired of shoving your candidate, Barak Obama, down the throats of Americans? From the beginning, we have had to endure your constant media bias and the lop sided promotion of YOUR candidate. You are supposed report the news fairly, with an even hand, providing equal coverage and exposure for both candidates. You may be able to influence the news, but you’re loosing your credibility in the process.
Posted by: Lee | June 16, 2008, 10:33 am 10:33 am
Stop this non sense Hillary backers, she did not have the popular vote unless you subtract huge swaths of caucus voters and say that he did not receive any votes in MI. Do any of you really believe this?
As for experience Mr. Obama has MORE legislative experience than Hillary, yes that is a fact. I am sorry but first lady has and still is not a legislative position.
Lastly saying he has accomplished nothing is again wrong and uneducated. Mr Obama single handedly push through ethics reform, transparency in government spending and veterans benefits, but those aren’t important pieces of legislation? And they aren’t at the heart of what is wrong with our government?
Educate yourselves he is a brilliant man with a solid record, yes he is young, but since when is that the only reason to not trust someone. In fact some of this worlds greatest discoveries have been made by the youngest of all.
Lastly to those who claim he said he would not run for the Presidency, please take a look what has happened to our great country since he said that, the time is now. I respect his sense of urgency.
Thanks for listening.
Posted by: Jim | June 19, 2008, 6:29 pm 6:29 pm