Feb 17, 2008 1:54pm

Obama Camp Challenges Clinton on Health care Mailer

ABC News’ Sunlen Miller Reports: The presidential campaign of Sen. Barack Obama put out big gun backer Sen. Ted Kennedy and the Wisconsin Gov. Jim Doyle to respond to the negative Clinton camapign mailer on health care being distributed in Wisconsin.

Kennedy said he was shocked and surprised that Clinton would put out a mailer like this, ad called it a "distortion, misrepresentation, and wrong." He referenced Clinton’s health care fight in 1994 – and said similar negative ads were what contributed to the sinking it – so essentially said that Clinton should have learned from that. Kennedy said health care in the cause of his life, and that he would never have supported Obama if he wasn’t the one who could get comprehensive health care done.

Gov. Doyle echoed Kennedy’s remarks, saying "too bad Clinton has gone to this."

Doyle took more issue with the fact that Clinton has not been in the state much and has a schedule change on Monday and Tuesday, spending even less time in the state, "She only arrived in this state yesterday….before she ever came to this state she started running negative ads."

The conversation also strayed to public financing – as the Clinton campaign holds a conference call about this soon.

National press secretary bill Burton denied that he’s really concerned about the Clinton campaign or McCain campaign saying that Obama broke the pledge on public financing, "I think we’re in a pretty good spot actually…the only reason this is an option on the table is because we pursued it. As for McCain – interesting that he has a new found interest in public financing when he voted against it in 1995. "

Obama spokesman Bill Burton says that based on the pattern of the Clinton campaign he expect to see more negative ads and mailers in the future, "Well the pattern we’ve seen over the course of campaign is when the Clinton campaign is down in the polls and not going well for them, they have responded with negative attacks. No reason to think they are going to change that pattern."

User Comments

Ted Kennedy the patron saint of virtuousness:-)

Posted by: dman | February 17, 2008, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm

I was a little more shocked when a drunken Ted Kennedy left that poor girl to drown in his car while he escaped and got off of murder charges scott free.
Now he is shocked and outraged by a mailer. Have you seen some of Obama’s mailers? All lies and distortions.

Posted by: Jay | February 17, 2008, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm

Amen brother Jay!

Posted by: dman | February 17, 2008, 2:55 pm 2:55 pm

Hillary’s camp totally misses the main reason for Obama’s rising popularity and preparing for the wrong battle. Yes, his speeches are inspirational and hers dull but it’s not in the words which causes the excitement. It’s in his effort to earn his votes. Speeches are just bonus.
Obama’s most memorable speech wasn’t when he won. Rather it was his N.H. speech when Clinton won. In contrast, even before the votes were tallied, Clinton wrote off S.C., Virginia, and headed to another state where she knew she’ll win. It’s sort of “I’m not wasting time with losers” mentality. This is the crucial difference between Obama and Clinton. Even when losing, Obama puts in the effort and reminds his supporters that the effort was not in vain. He actually demonstrates leadership by inspiring not when he is winning but when he has lost or is behind. He takes the time to earn the votes versus Hillary demanding the votes. It’s no surprise that she wrote off WI and headed back to Texas where she is ahead.
Clinton camp should realize, the popularity is due to character (Obama) or lack thereof (Clinton). As for policies, other than the mandate issue, I see absolutely no difference between Obama and Clinton and hence, why not go for someone with the better personality.

Posted by: ctom2008 | February 17, 2008, 3:10 pm 3:10 pm

ctom2008
What if the person with the better personality has no experience and is a neophyte of foreign affairs.
I would rather have a person with “no personality” keeping us out of harms way with all the new and old hotspots in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Russia, Iraq, Iran, Israel, Kenya etc…
You see where I am going here, a good personality and a bright smile won’t protect out countries freedoms.
That’s why even though they are very similar . I am voting for Hillary

Posted by: Jay | February 17, 2008, 3:15 pm 3:15 pm

even Ted Kennedy has a skeleton in his closet no one is perfect,, neither is Obama , no matter what people may think,, Clintons closet has been opened and aired, and people just don’t want to know the negative things why negative in Healthcare,, his base already knows 15 million will be left out of healthcare,, so i definietly would like to see that flyer, since its so negative its probably facts that Obamas camp does it not want to cause light too,,,,,

Posted by: vimed | February 17, 2008, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm

Clinton like her famous husband tells LIES.
OBAMA is right on the money on health care but Clinton distorts. Her plan failed when she had every chance in the world-then she took money from the heath care corporations and let her plan die and blame it on the Republicans. She is a FOX. BEWARE WISCONSIN!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Tariq Ahmed | February 17, 2008, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm

Hillary mentioned all of Obamas plan as hers in the mailer and failed to mention the fact that she is mandating her plan and forcing it out of our paychecks.

Posted by: james | February 17, 2008, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm

Sadly gene, you are exactly right. That’s what this is all about the MSM fanning the flames of a small spark to turn it into a blazing forest fire. Back when I was a young man, the media was always fair and reported the real news and facts. Now, the slant and bias is phenomenal. They are now in control of our lives.

Posted by: Jay | February 17, 2008, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm

Wisconsin wants CHANGE from the insiders–Clintons and Bushes, who have American blood on their hands.
Cintons are spokesperson for the SPECIAL INTEREST LOBBIES.
She sells the People she represents.
Monica Lewisky will be back if HillBill gets into our White House.
WISCONSIN SHE IS A PRETENDER.

Posted by: Tariq Ahmed | February 17, 2008, 3:30 pm 3:30 pm

correct.
not a personality contest.
a president with both intelligence and broad vision, who attempts to research facts, even perhaps knows the details of things they commit to and sign, who has the ability to bring people and ideas together rather than foment controversy and divide, who won’t degrade the office or our country by demeaning thier/our perceived foes, who has committed to serve all citizens of our country not just those who may benefit them personally, yes that person would serve us well as president.

Posted by: mbj | February 17, 2008, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm

Ted just squashed a book that was about to come out introducing America to JFK’s illegitimate son. Ted killed his misress and walked away because the authorities decided it was an “accident.” Ted was thrown out of Harvard for cheating. Ted is known in Mass. as “Teddy O’Drunky.” Who cares what Ted says or things?

Posted by: AtomicBetty | February 17, 2008, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm

obamma ted kennedy does not impress truly educated people that want to move forward. Who is he anyway he did not even help you in mass. Sorry you talk the talk but you do not walk the walk and how is Larry Sinclair these days I heard you have him helping in the campaign so you have hiom close by for a stash of drugs and sex. The way you want to cheat out the voters in Michgan and Florida is terrible goes to show you how you are a bunch of bull. You continue to rewrite the rules to your liking Too bad you can not scream racist on this but from what I heard of you you will in order to get your way is that not how you got through school thats the story

Posted by: Anonymous | February 17, 2008, 3:36 pm 3:36 pm

I am just wondering why the main stream media won’t pick up the Obama, Larry Sinclair drugs & Sex 1999 story. It is huge, all over underground news and blogs and plastered all over the internet. and the more they try to silence it and no response from Mr. Obama, the worse things are looking for him.

Posted by: Jay | February 17, 2008, 3:42 pm 3:42 pm

Let’s see, we got Rezkogate, Sinclairgate,
Exelongate, flip flop on Public funding,
etc…etc… what’s next??? and unlike Mrs. Clinton, this stuff is still coming out and being investigated. Mr. Obama’s moment in the sun is almost over. I hope he has a big umbrella…

Posted by: Jay | February 17, 2008, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm

The absolute worst thing that the voters of Wisconsin, Ohio or Texas could do is to give Hillary Clinton’s candidacy new life. If nothing else is clear, the Clintons are political pariahs who will do or say anything to get back in the Whitehouse. LYING, FRAUD, DECEIT, FAUX FEMINISM and THE POLITICS OF VICTIMIZATION are what the CLINTONS are skilled at. America, it is truly time to turn a page and close the door on Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: Christopher London | February 17, 2008, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm

Universal health care. As a Canadian I can give you all some idea what it costs the individual up here. Two operations for cancer, two and a half weeks hospital stay, 50 visits to doctors in that time. No charge. Numerous cancer drugs to help me fight the cancer (now six years cancer free) to support me. $1000 spread over five years, fifty percent refunded. Same time my wife had ten doctor visits for check ups and whatnot per year. No charge. Numerous x-ray, cat scans over that time period, no charge. Line up wait each visit less than two hours on ordinary visits, for cancer visits one half hour wait time. Up here everyone pays out of pay check deductions amounting to approximately $1000 per year, and those who are to poor or have no jobs get free medical care.

Posted by: Wil | February 17, 2008, 4:25 pm 4:25 pm

Gosh Terrie: Just because we don’t support Mr. Obama, and support Mrs. Clinton, you call us Neanderthals… UGGG!! That hurt!!!

Posted by: Jay | February 17, 2008, 4:37 pm 4:37 pm

Wil,
Thanks for the Canadian health care info. We get far too many fake stories about how it is no good. Both Democratic candidates want university health care for the US but they have different approaches. Obama wants to cut costs first, Clinton wants to make it universal first. We have a universal (almost) health care law in Massachusetts with no provisions for cutting costs. It is way over budget. I prefer Obama’s plan.

Posted by: Lydia | February 17, 2008, 5:14 pm 5:14 pm

I see the Clinton group is again using ugly rhetoric and negativity trying to tear down something positive and good.
Makes me want to vote for Obama. I am one of those who chooses to work for the betterment of our United States, not gutter politics. There is enough of the negative.

Posted by: Unci | February 17, 2008, 6:16 pm 6:16 pm

Shocked by the fact that Hillary distorts the truth? Ted must be drinking!
If this shocks Ted he might also be shocked to learn that the sky is blue.

Posted by: Fletcher | February 17, 2008, 6:41 pm 6:41 pm

NO ONE should be post a comment on this article unless they are familiar with Hillary’s attempt at Healthcare the first time around. The simple fact of the matter is this, she should have been able to achieve that goal. She would have been able to get it passed but she lacked the necessary skills to do so. Research this issue before posting stupid comments that don’t have anything to do with the issue at hand.
Both sides readily admit she was nearer to her goal as opposed to further from getting it passed. What will she do now? By issue a mandate is NOT the way to get it done.
Further ask yourselves, why in the hell can’t Democrats get anything done? They have been promising us for months they would do this and do that, and haven’t done sh– but get some rebate checks in the mail. Checks that will only drive up the debt. So, those little checks will cost you more than their face value. This Dem. is sick of the excuses of Dem. leaders.
As for the article and OTHER articles, you people better think long and hard about who you want to trust the nomination to. Bull dog tactics and partisan divide won’t get ANYTHING done. I’m personally sitting back and taking it all in. I, personally, will vote next month and come Nov. for the person that offers the less: excuses, false promises, bull dog tactics, partisan crap, etc. Doesn’t matter what party he/she is in. I will be looking for the best overall candidate. A candidate capable of getting things done, that benefit everyone – not just some. I don’t want a compromising person or some nut that plays to his/her base.

Posted by: M. G. Texas voter | February 17, 2008, 6:42 pm 6:42 pm

“ugly rhetoric and negativity”
Anybody who dares to examine the record or rhetoric or campaign tactics of Obama is called ‘negative.’ What nonsense.
Obama has stolen Hillary’s healthcare plan, her Green Collar jobs plan, and her economic plan. I’m tired of it. If this were an election for best preacher, or best motivational speaker, or best cult leader then I would vote for Obama. But alas, it’s an election for president, a job that actually requires detailed knowledge of public policy, a job for which Obama is highly unqualified.

Posted by: Susan | February 17, 2008, 6:44 pm 6:44 pm

Kennedy shouldn’t just be shocked. He should be lobotomized.

Posted by: Sofie1006 | February 17, 2008, 6:57 pm 6:57 pm

But, back to the Clinton mailer on HEALTH CARE PLAN:
ABC NEWS ARTICLE SAYS:
The language the Clinton campaign uses makes it sound like Obama’s plan will purposefully leave out specific Americans — the ominous question “Will it be you?” Asking Obama which Americans “Don’t Deserve Health Care”– when the reason experts say around 15 million Americans will be left out is because those Americans will not sign themselves up.
Clinton attempts to prevent that from happening by imposing mandates — requirements that everyone signs up. She will not say what he penalty would be, which surely does not live up to the “specifics” she heralds herself for offering.

Posted by: PETE | February 17, 2008, 7:07 pm 7:07 pm

If you even dare utter the phrase “What does Obama mean by what he says?” it is blasphemy and heresy. It is becoming scary. I am not joining a cult, even if it is wrapped in the flag. there is something rabid and extreme in the ‘followers’ rhetoric that disturbs me. It reminds me of all that ‘unamerican if your against Bush’ stuff after 9-11. I have read many, many threats on the internet of what they will do if they don’t win…so a mailer is the least of my worries, and it seems mild in the face of Obama playing the race card, for which he was caught live during the following debate too late to halt the effect it had on those numbers out of SC. I kind of think Hillary gets a couple free passes if Obama plays that nasty.

Posted by: ginnypoo | February 17, 2008, 7:18 pm 7:18 pm

Clinton is right. Universal healthcare means that–universal. Obama’s plan is NOT universal, which means that some people will be left out. Obama backers don’t want us to know these details until after the election.
I trust Hillary’s knowledge of this issue more than Ted Kennedy’s. He only endorsed Obama because Hillary said that LBJ signed the Civil rights act, a truthful statement, but one that Ted Kennedy thought omitted the contributions of JFK.
Is it too mauch to ask for a competent president? One that can do more than read a speech? What’s happening to America…

Posted by: karen | February 17, 2008, 7:19 pm 7:19 pm

Senator Kennedy, there is no distortion here. But there is one when the new messiah says you have done more for universal health care than anyone. That is the distortion. Universal means universal. In case you don’t know the definition it means, total, entire, complete not everyone except 15,000,000.

Posted by: ValleyDem | February 17, 2008, 8:16 pm 8:16 pm

Who’s crying now? Obama whines and cries quite a bit. Even from the beginning. He began the race card. He threw the first mud at the debates. And now he can’t live with the truth. America is waking up.

Posted by: trustmiracles | February 17, 2008, 8:30 pm 8:30 pm

Hillary’s health care plan is typical of her style. Force everyone to get it whether they want it or not. And if you have to, garnish their pay to provide the funds needed. Wow that sounds great!

Posted by: Morpheus | February 17, 2008, 8:32 pm 8:32 pm

Nobody’s wages are going to be garnished. Obviously the American people would not stand for that. But overall, her plan is a good one. That’s the reason I voted for her.
I hope to God she wins Wisconsin. Some of us have to worry about not having any healthcare or about being underinsured.

Posted by: Kellie | February 17, 2008, 9:11 pm 9:11 pm

Kellie-
If you mandate it, you have to enforce it. Clinton herself said that people’s wages would be garnished if they didn’t pay for it.

Posted by: Willis P | February 17, 2008, 9:36 pm 9:36 pm

Teddy wouldn’t know the truth if it smacked him aside the head.

Posted by: C DEPP | February 17, 2008, 10:23 pm 10:23 pm

james
Every time someone like you goes to the doc or the emergency room without insurance everyone pays. Even little old ladies. Shame on you.

Posted by: C DEPP | February 17, 2008, 10:27 pm 10:27 pm

Kellie-
Obama mandates insurance for all kids. So he will garnish your wages to get that cost out of you. And he has also said the adults that go to emer. room, docs and hospital stays without insurance all Americans will have to pay. This is after he gouges anyone right then and there. How would you like to get a $20,000 bill for a hospital stay. This is what we have now. Obama has no idea what he is doing. Check out his plan more carefully and you will see how poor it is.

Posted by: C DEPP | February 17, 2008, 10:58 pm 10:58 pm

I am thinking a lot of these older white males can not accept a woman president.
no facts in either of their rebuttals jusr outrage!!! When CNN or MSNBC spend the whole day going negative on Clinton I see no outrage from Sen Kennedy!
Is that a double standard!
Also implying he represents his brothers opinions is a bit disrespectful in my view. I would not imply I can speak for any dead family member. Why can Ted or Caroline Kennedy do so?

Posted by: vince | February 18, 2008, 12:02 am 12:02 am

Oh and I almost forgot:
I am a Washington outsider (never been there) and I have a lot of hopes and dreams, and I can say : Yes we can! Yes we can!
Therefore I am a better candidate than either Obama or Clinton right?

Posted by: vince | February 18, 2008, 12:06 am 12:06 am

vince
I totally agree. I am a JFK DEM and find them speaking for my hero insulting. I don’t believe for one minute that JFK or RFK would ever support Obama. He talks and talks and talks and has no ideas or plans to back them up.

Posted by: C DEPP | February 18, 2008, 12:11 am 12:11 am

Good comment C DEPP
JFK was a war hero. RFK was going after the mob among others, I find no similarity to Obama. I find Obama has some nerve drwaing the comparisons. Also Martin Luther King gave his life and really walked the talk.
I find Obama quite arrogant when he sort of implies he ranks up with these great americans.
I find the media wimpy to never ask him about that kind of subtle reference he makes.

Posted by: vince | February 18, 2008, 12:26 am 12:26 am

Vince
The three were great men who deserve better than to have their memory compared to this bit player.
I see three reasons the media is kissing his butt and the voters are voting for Obama:
The dumbing down of America. (the Bush effect) The American people are blinded by another Bush. To find out that Obama is cousins with Bush and Cheney was shocking.
They have become a cult. Have you seen the nonsense they have been talking about? I have never seen anyone talk and talk and in the end say nothing at all. Obama is a empty suit.
Did you know Obama is running off of Bushes 2000 platform:
CHANGE
I AM NOT A WASHINGTON INSIDER
I DON’T BELIEVE IN WARS IN OTHER COUNTRIES
I HAVE WORKED ACROSS PARTY LINES
( How has that worked out for all of us? How anyone could vote for another Bush I don’t know. I think their crazy.)
Some people out there are scared of riots in the streets if Obama is not President. My friends have told me about threats they have seen on the internet from people saying they will do just that. All Americans should take a stand against this kind of sick threat to our democracy.
And the other people want to see a African American in the WH no matter who it is. Mc Cain is even getting calls to put C. Rice on the ticket as VP. I can’t believe this kind of race baiting is being used in 2008. Any African American it doesn’t matter? It sure does matter. I don’t know what is becoming of our great country?

Posted by: C DEPP | February 18, 2008, 1:24 am 1:24 am

Hey, lets take a deep breath here. We all know the Republicans do not want to face Mr. Obama. Sending the other candidate would be a disaster for Democrats. Think about it.

Posted by: JC | February 18, 2008, 1:40 am 1:40 am

Wow. I’m just a retired teacher. I wish I had all the omniscience to judge and to know these people’s hearts the way you all do.

Posted by: Ellie | February 18, 2008, 2:13 am 2:13 am

The Clinton campaign didn’t have a healthcare plan before it felled and they don’t have one now. Well to be honest, if everyone is a goverment employee, then the Clinton healthcare plan will work for everyone. Unfortunately some are self employed, independent contractors or work for private employors or small business. Under the Clinton healthcare plan these people would be penalized if they don’t pay for their healthcare. This means that most of your family members and friends will have their paychecks garnished. We all know that it doesn’t stop there if it is a goverment enforcement. There will be fines and then misdemeanors which is a criminal offense defined as less serious than a felony. Why did Ms. Clinton decide on this approach? It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure this out. Big business, big Corporation call it what you will, they want their money back and in order for Ms. Clinton to get their support in her race to presidency she is giving victory to one side (the healthcare providers) by promising to them that she will have the poeople wages garnished if they continue to give healthcare. Thus allowing her to shout the words “UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE” This is a shady tactic and makes fools out of every american that falls for this trick. The Obama healthcare plan is for the people. Poor people, middle class and rich people can rest assured that there is no tricks or penalties in the Obama healthcare plan.

Posted by: HealthCare | February 18, 2008, 4:31 am 4:31 am

Why is it that if Obama has the superior argument his supporters always go for the hateful putdowns . I thought this was supposed to be a different kind of politics. Hillary’s point is there are always going to be healthy people making enough money to purchase health insurance that will instead choose to roll the dice. Obama mandates all children must be covered . Is he going to garnish parents wages if they don’t want to insure their kids. Hillary believes you can’t get health care costs under control until everyone is covered . That would stop people who need to see the doctor from going to the emergency room for every minor ailment , which is one of the biggest reasons for delays in the ER and those costs are picked up by everyone else.

Posted by: tim from Ohio | February 18, 2008, 9:00 am 9:00 am

Senator Kennedy in 2005:
“In an interview with the Globe, Kennedy declined to endorse any of the plans pending on Beacon Hill, but he offered praise for the controversial insurance mandates on employers and individuals in a bill passed by the House last month. Kennedy, a Democrat, has long advocated for a federal requirement that employers provide health insurance for their workers.”
- Boston Globe, Dec. 5, 2005
Senator Kennedy in 2007:
“The federal government should join the state of Massachusetts in enacting universal health coverage, said Senator Kennedy, the new chairman of the Senate committee with jurisdiction over numerous health issues.
Mr. Kennedy’s home state is the first to require everyone to have health insurance, just as drivers must have automobile coverage.”
- The New York Sun, January 10, 2007
Senator Kennedy after joining Obama campaign:
“Mandates?! We don’t need no stinkin’ mandates!”

Posted by: Gary | February 18, 2008, 9:22 am 9:22 am

Why is Hillary willing to garnish peoples wages and force people to enroll? Is this just going to be Perscription Drug Bill II,i.e. a big payoff by everyone to the insurance companies instead of the drug companies? Can she even get the thing through Congress? NO! There is no way unless 10 Republican Senators lose their seats in November that this program will ever see the light of day! Hillary hasn’t learned anything since the 90′s. It’s the same old programs with the same old result. Nothing is going to happen!

Posted by: Morpheum | February 18, 2008, 9:40 am 9:40 am

I love it how all the Hillary supporters will say that Obama knows nothing about politics and foreign policy… apparently being in the top 1% at Harvard Law School doesn’t make you intelligent.
Reporting from Wisconsin I’ve noticed a few different things. First off, Hillary is running a negative campaign ad on Obama’s health care plan non-stop (funny how Hillary supporters say he “stole” her plan). Obama has hit back with a positive ad detailing why Hillary’s is completely incorrect and falsified.
And Obama will win Wisconsin if students come out strong, the polls tend to forget that there are 160,000 students in the University of Wisconsin System alone, and the vast majority of them will vote for Obama.

Posted by: Wisconsinite | February 18, 2008, 10:54 am 10:54 am

CAMPAIGN MAILERS KRUGMAN HYPOCRISY

A couple of weeks ago, Clinton lickspittle Paul Krugman denounced Barack Obama for sending out what he termed an ugly mailer. Krugman was unable to find any factual inaccuracies in the mailer, so he used its resemblance to the famous H…

Posted by: Health Care BS | February 18, 2008, 11:21 am 11:21 am

for all the people here talking about Obama has no experience with foreign policy maybe you people need to check and see what committees he sits on in the United States Senate.

Posted by: billmrobinson | February 18, 2008, 11:36 am 11:36 am

Yes lets trust Hillary, (its not the federal governments job to fund under capitalized entrepreneurs…. )
She who billed more legal hours than there are in a year.
How can you tell a politician is lying? their lips are moving.
Lets Garnish all politicians wages.
Oh we won’t garnishee much from everyone. It’s their own fault they can’t pay their bills. Maybe they should move into Hoovervilles… and give up their houses, their apartments, and get back to good nature living, outhouses, and tents…..

Posted by: mike | February 18, 2008, 11:41 am 11:41 am

Hillary’s plan for healthcare is based on the same principle as SS or Medicare, which call for 100% participation to be affordable for all. This is why she asks for shared sacrifice. Leaving out the mandate for universal coverage and financing makes the whole plan unworkable. By including everyone – sick or well, rich or poor – the healthcare industry gets a larger base of income but gives up cherry picking out people with pre-existing conditions and has to accept a cap on cost. Her plan works with the industry to level the cost of healthcare for all. In addition, aggressive cost control measures like computerization of all medical records should further reduce cost to the industry, which will have to be shared downward by statute. If the concept of mandatory universal healthcare is unfeasible, then so is social security and we should go to the GOP plan for privatization, correct?

Posted by: OldTT | February 18, 2008, 11:54 am 11:54 am

Wisconsinite said -
“And Obama will win Wisconsin if students come out strong, the polls tend to forget that there are 160,000 students in the University of Wisconsin System alone, and the vast majority of them will vote for Obama.”
Your post is a good example of why there need to be super-delegates at the Denver convention. The question is: why should every student vote for Obama? If every student voted for Mickey Mouse, would that prove something?
Incidentally, relative candidate intelligence is not an issue (Hillary graduated first in her Yale Law School class – so what?) The issue is years of experience, not native intelligence or academic scores. Here’s another point -
who shows real passion and involvement with universal health care, not word games like “I said X before you said Y.” Affordable health care is a vitally important subject for many, many people, and it should be at least as important to a candidate, not just a campaign issue. Edwards and Clinton have shown that passion. Barack makes speeches about it.

Posted by: OldTT | February 18, 2008, 12:20 pm 12:20 pm

There is an article in the New York times comparing the difference between Obama and Hillary’s health care proposal. Hillary’s is the ONLY one that will achieve universal care. Hers’ is cheaper for the American people and will cover everyone. Obama’s plan leaves out people who choose not to have health care. These same people who then become ill can join the plan costing the rest of the Americans who have been paying in all along. We have democrats in power now and with Hillary as President we really can get this done. Vote Hillary!!

Posted by: Firefighter | February 18, 2008, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm

Will not trust Hilliary if she was the only candiate, she can’t be trust.lying,cheating,fraud and any negative attack too be president. Wake up american all you must be crazy or out of your mind. This do not sound like she make agood president where your minds I pray too God she not elected i wll never vote for her because she a woman,a cry baby.

Posted by: caralyn | February 18, 2008, 4:55 pm 4:55 pm

Clintons closet has been opened and aired??? if has been they hired somebody to knock out the back wall and build a false front.
Cinton can not win, very very very few republicans will vote for her. Obama stands a much better chance of winning

Posted by: wright207 | February 18, 2008, 5:23 pm 5:23 pm

Obama should put a lid on Ted. I don’t think he is helping.
Both mailers were harsh.
These two are going to keep going and going until one of them can’t stand up anymore.
Me personally, I hope Obama falls hard!

Posted by: ontherocks99 | February 18, 2008, 7:35 pm 7:35 pm

Hillary’s “Health Care Plan” is the biggest fairy tale of this campaign. The Republicans in the senate will filibuster this til the cows come home. This is not going to pass. It is dead in the water just like it was in 1993. Remember what happened last time everyone?

Posted by: Morpheum | February 18, 2008, 8:49 pm 8:49 pm

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