Obama Fires Back at Clinton
ABC News’ David Wright, Sunlen Miller and Ursula Fahy Report: Sen. Barack Obama was especially harsh and dismissive today of rival Sen. Hillary Clinton’s latest round of attacks.
“I understand that Sen. Clinton periodically, when she’s feeling down, launches attacks as a way of boosting her appeal,” Obama said in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. “But this kind of gamesmanship is not what the American people are looking for.”
In Ohio yesterday, Clinton essentially accused Obama of being all talk, no action.
“Let me tell you,” she told an audience in Columbus, Ohio, “there is a big difference between speeches and solutions.”
At a news conference today Obama shot back: “She has taken double the amount from lobbyists than any other Democrat or Republican. That’s not being in the solution business that’s being part of the business as usual business.”
Obama laughed off the attack ad Clinton is running here in Wisconsin, accusing Obama of trying to dodge debates.
“There’s a debate coming up next Thursday in Ohio — after the 18 that we’ve already had,” he said, smiling broadly. “This is a distraction and I think people know that.”
The Obama campaign has mounted a response ad to Clinton’s ad.
He said: “Our general attitude is: anytime someone goes up with something negative we respond.”
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Nice job – just dismiss the attacks that can be easily dismissed. Never want to get caught in a long explanation, even when you’re right, because the very need to explain is something of a loss.
Posted by: Paul | February 15, 2008, 11:45 am 11:45 am
Yes Mr. Obama, and you have give triple what Hillary has taken to buy your way into the White House with the Super Delegate vote. Why didn’t you mention or try to explain that.
Mr. Obama is a crooked Chicago Politician, and he can BS with the best of them. People are now becoming aware of how much he is a player.
Posted by: Jordan Clinton | February 15, 2008, 11:52 am 11:52 am
Talking about lobbyists, Mr. Obama, the house which you are staying in was purchased after collaborating with Mr. Rezko and the deal which now you are trying to wash off by calling it a “bone headed mistake”. That’s some judgement on day one.
Posted by: ES | February 15, 2008, 12:01 pm 12:01 pm
Arrogance will backfire. Thanks for describing him as dismissive. That always works for a candidate!
ps: change does not include buying superdelegates. they are both the same.
Posted by: Tony | February 15, 2008, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm
I think some internal polls might be showing Obama’s support slipping in Wisconsin. Even Rasmussen that always under polls Clinton on Obama’s best polling day ever, the 13th only showed him 4% ahead, within the margin of error. Mr. Obama’s refusal to debate Clinton is resonating. 75% of Wisconsin’s say he should debate her there. That’s a lot!
Posted by: s.b. | February 15, 2008, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm
Yes I agree Tony, Almighty King OBama slapping little Hillary’s bottom with a nice spanking and telling her to go sit in a corner for being bad.
What utter arrogance. This guy’s days are numbered . He talks a good game, but his words and his heart are speaking different languages.
Posted by: Jordan Clinton | February 15, 2008, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm
Clinton won’t release her tax returns. Clinton got more than 4 times as many (over $400 million worth) earmarks for NY. Clinton takes money from PACs and lobbyists. She wants delegates from states that were told they wouldn’t count. How do you spell “unethical”? H-I-L-L-A-R-Y!
Posted by: Janet | February 15, 2008, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm
And of course Janet, Mr. Obama is squeaky clean. He is a saint among politicians.
Posted by: Jordan Clinton | February 15, 2008, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm
Mrs. Clinton has to go ‘negative’ at this time. . .what else can she do.
She has been out-spent; and out-classed by someone she ignored for too long !!
He’ll continue to talk about issues and answer questions. .same as her !!!
What matters are the voters. .and the final chapter will be written in Texas and Ohio. . .stay tuned.
Posted by: BJ | February 15, 2008, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm
To be fair BJ Mr. OBama has been slamming Mrs. Clinton in every speech for weeks. No ones says anything is wrong with that. He can do no wrong.
He has been given a complete pass and has been the media darling since the beginning. It is about time Hillary took off the gloves and came out fighting. She is going to throttle him at the next debate.
Posted by: Jordan Clinton | February 15, 2008, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm
Dennis: I don’t hate Mr. Obama at all. I just think right now, voting for him to become President would be a huge, terrible and costly mistake. Don’t I have a right to support the candidate of my choice and speak out for him/her anymore? Is this still the USA and a free country right?
I see a terrible amount of hate and sexism for Hillary coming from Obama supporters constantly, but I suppose you think that is acceptable.
Posted by: Jordan Clinton | February 15, 2008, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm
$400,000,000 for NY? I thought you all said she has done nothing for NY?
Just bend the news to suit your tastes, and ignore anything that darkens the door step of your candidate.
Bravery in the upcoming New World. Can’t wait.
Posted by: 2009 Where Are You? | February 15, 2008, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm
If obama thinks this is an attack, he need to buckle up for McCain, should he continue to get the free pass from the media. The gloves will come off with the Republicans and a smirk and put down won’t get him very far with the right wing pit bulls. He can’t debate because he can’t win on the facts. It always looks bad for him when “a girl” beats him up on national tv. Wis. isn’t going to like the “assumption” that he will win their vote.
Posted by: AmazonTraveler | February 15, 2008, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm
Jordan..no one is saying that Obama is a saint. It’s interesting though that all the Clinton campaign can throw at Obama is that he won’t debate in WI and his speeches aren’t specific enough for them. If they actually had dirt on him they would be using it. So Obama may not be “squeaky clean” but he sure has less to hide than Hillary.
Posted by: Janet | February 15, 2008, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm
Mark, Mr. OBama’s plan is not any better. At least 15 million or more Americans will suffer without any health insurance under his plan. I have been examining Hillary’s plan, and the poorest people will still have health insurance and even thought it will be mandated, the poorest sector of the country will receive subsidies and tax credits and other help so they will be able to afford excellent coverage, the same as congress receives. That is Hillary’s plan, and I support it.
Posted by: Jordan Clinton | February 15, 2008, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm
The Clinton’s had their shot in the White House. Remember you got “two for the price of one” under Bill’s eight years. Now is the time for a new voice, new perspective, and new fresh ideas. Hillary’s tit-for-tat negative attacks when she’s perceived as not being the current front runner or lost the momementum are doing no favors for ANY democrats chance in November. Demos: remember the big picture. Losing the Whitehouse for another four years to more failed Bush policies- foreign and domestic would sink this country into further abyss. Obama has to repond to them. He can’t let the spin doctors of the Clinton political machine taint the facts.
Posted by: Obama fan | February 15, 2008, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm
Sen. Clinton has said she has 35 years of experience. Last time I checked she was first lady for eight years. What experience are we talking about “Planning State Dinners”. She has been a Senator for less than 6 years. I did take math and that adds up to about 14 years. I ask where is the 35 years??? DO we really want another LYING CLINTON IN THE WHITE HOUSE???
When the tough gets going Sen. Clinton starts to lie and distort. That’s a great quality for our leaders to have.
Posted by: Memphis Red | February 15, 2008, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm
Here’s a running list of Obama’s lobbyists and PAC people
As if he is pure, WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!
Donald Alexander (Akin, Gump, Strauss, Hauer & Feld)
John Buscher (Holland & Knight)
Kevin Chavous (Sonnenschein Nath & Rosenthal)
Tom Daschle (Alston & Bird)
Stan Fendley (Corning)
Elizabeth Fox (Jolly/Rissler)
Francis Grab (Washington Council Ernst & Young)
Tim Hannegan (Wexler & Walker Public Policy Associates)
Tom Jensen (Sonnenschein Nath & Rosenthal)
Broderick Johnson (Bryan Cave Strategies)
Mark Keam (Verizon)
Bob Maloney (Maloney Government Relations)
Marcus Mason (The Madison Group)
Andy Rosenberg (Ogilvy Government Relations)
Bobby Sepucha (Sonnenschein Nath & Rosenthal)
Jarvis Stewart (Stewart Partners)
Tom Walls (McGuireWoods)
Michael Williams (Credit Suisse)
Posted by: 2009 Where Are You? | February 15, 2008, 12:33 pm 12:33 pm
Interesting comments – but I think it’s time to talk issues that affect Americans and to be fair to both Obama and Hillary, they both have been talking substance recently. I am an independent, but I might be shifting towards Obama now that he is talking more of substance… Good speech is vital and inspirational, but a good combination will be good speech and substance. I will be watching…
Posted by: Ton Oguara | February 15, 2008, 12:33 pm 12:33 pm
and before everyone cries foul,
Check the data against the truth and see, for a change, that all is not as the media has put it. Before you attack and say it is lame, check to see if it is true first. Then attack if you can prove it wrong.
PAC and lobbyists work heavily for both candidates, not just one. Sorry to disappoint with facts. They are like that sometimes. Aggrevating and inescapable.
Posted by: 2009 Where Are You? | February 15, 2008, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm
Jordan..you must have looked on Hillary’s website about her health plan. Have you even bothered to look at Obama’s? Their plans are very similar except that in Obama’s it’s not mandated. His plan mandates it for all children and allows those 25 and under to be covered by their parents’ plan. It provides the same subsidies as Hillary’s so it will be just as affordable. Your statement that 15 million people won’t be covered is right out of Hillary’s stump speech. Unfortunately it is not true.
Posted by: Janet | February 15, 2008, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm
“Some people may think words are change. You and I know better. Words are cheap. You can’t just talk about the special interests. You have to take them on,” Hillary said. What a hypocrite! Hillary is the candidate who gets the most money from the ‘special interests.” Also, she managed not to show up to vote against a provision that grants immunity to the telecom companies of wiretapping this week. The telecom companies are one of the 5 most powerful lobbying forces in Washinton and she is backed by the telecom companies. Yes, Hillary you are right – “words are cheap.” You just proved it with your action – not to show up to vote against a special interest group.
Posted by: philip | February 15, 2008, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm
Here’s even more lobbyists in this rundown:
Bundlers for Barack Obama Who Have Registered as Federal Lobbyists
Frank Clark
IL
Commonwealth Edison
Scott Harris
DC
Harris Wiltshire and Grannis
Allan J. Katz
FL
Akerman Senterfitt
Robert S. Litt
MD
Arnold & Porter
Thomas J. Perrelli
VA
Jenner and Block
Thomas A. Reed
VA
Kirkpatrick & Lockhart Preston Gates Ellis LLP
Paul N. Roth
NY
Schulte Roth & Zabel
Miriam Sapiro
DC
Summit Strategies
Alan Solomont*
MA
Solomont Bailis Ventures
Tom E. Wheeler*
DC
Core Capital Partners
Posted by: 2009 Where Are You? | February 15, 2008, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm
b sure what u say obama all the way politics have been this way for years its time we stopped and that’s what he’s trying to do listen to the American people Clinton is complaining and firing any cring and c where I’m going with this
Posted by: Steven | February 15, 2008, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm
Hillary’s healthplan is a much older plan, having existed LONG before Obama’s.
And what do we do with the people that get sick and don’t have insurance, because they can opt out of paying for it?
WE pay for their visits. They doesn’t sound preferable to me. That some of us have to pay while those that don’t feel like it just head to the emergency room for a free visit?
That is not fair either.
Posted by: 2009 Where Are You? | February 15, 2008, 12:40 pm 12:40 pm
With all the Clinton attack on Obama. He has been vetted. The ideal that a republican attack will be less impacting on hillary than Obama is same old political trick. She has lunched all kinds of attack already in cohorts with republicans, they attacked his health care plan, call him a muslim, call him talker, false hopes and the list goes on. He is vetted and will do well with the Republican machine. If he can witstand the Clinton machine built on 3 decades, he has proved the cynics wrong.
Posted by: james | February 15, 2008, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm
Obama told us that he did not take money from lobbyists, but he did. He also sent more than $694,000 to superdelegates. Hillary never said that she did not take money from lobbyists. The key difference is who is a liar
Posted by: mike_88 | February 15, 2008, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm
Poll tracking by Real Clear Politics shows Obama beating McCain in the general election. It also shows that Hillary will either lose or come up short against McCain. Rasmussen Reports show Obama winning Nevada and Colorado from McCain, two red states, while Clinton does not.
Posted by: InfoMan | February 15, 2008, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm
The same Obama speech. Nothing new.
Posted by: Paul | February 15, 2008, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm
if this pitifully weak attacking is all it takes to be considered vetted, then let’s allow teenagers to run for President. Why the age limit? Who needs to back up what they say with facts? Who needs to really have done a thing to prove what they are telling us?
This guy is vetted in dodging truth, accidentally voting wrong or not voting at all 130X. He is vetted in a lack of details. He is vetted in giving favors to donors. He is vetted attacking with Wal-Mart while his wife is connected to Wal-Mart via Treehouse. He is vetted in talking up Ethics Bills he didn’t write, introduce, edit, or sponsor IN ANY WAY.
He is not even prepared for what the Republicans are going to do to him. If he thinks he’s had it rough so far – just wait until they take Sinclair, and Exelon, and Rezko, and University of Chicago Hospital, and PAC and lobbyist denials, and 130 Present votes, and OOOPs votes in the state senate. They are going to reem him and then everyone is going to say its a plot to get the AA guy, when all along he is sort of dodging the fact he is only HALF black. We will be told we plotted to defeat the dream out of racism and stupidity, meanwhile none of the followers search outside his website for facts. They just keep quoting his own sites as facts without checking for bias.
Posted by: 2009 Where Are You? | February 15, 2008, 12:47 pm 12:47 pm
The thing about Washington is , the longer a person is there , the more corrupt and crooked they become. I see Obama’s lack of “TIME” in Washington as a huge asset , because he hasn’t been there long enough to become totally tainted.
Clinton is part of the problem , not the solution , because her and Bill thrive on back door deals and scandal, that’s the part they love , and it all boils down to “whats in it for me”……….and to hell with the American people.
Experience………..Obama -vs- Clinton
Senator Obama –During the first eight years of Senator Obama’s elected service he sponsored over 820 bills. He introduced:
233 regarding health-care reform,
125 on poverty and public assistance,
112 crime fighting bills,
97 economic bills,
60 human rights and anti-discrimination bills,
21 ethics reform bills,
15 gun control,
6 veterans affairs and many others.
His first year in the U.S. Senate, he authored 152 bills and co-sponsored another 427. These included:
- the Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006 (became law),
- The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act, (became law),
- The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act, passed the Senate,
- The 2007 Government Ethics Bill, (became law),
- The Protection Against Excessive Executive Compensation Bill, (In committee)
Senator Clinton — Senator Clinton’s, who has served only one full term (6yrs.), and another year campaigning, has managed to author and pass into law, (20) twenty pieces of legislation.
1. Establish the Kate Mullany National Historic Site.
2. Support the goals and ideals of Better Hearing and Speech Month.
3. Recognize the Ellis Island Medal of Hon
4. Name courthouse after Thurgood Marshall.
5. Name courthouse after James L. Watson.
6. Name post office after Jonn A. O’Shea.
7. Designate Aug. 7, 2003, as National Purple Heart Recognition Day.
8. Support the goals and ideals of National Purple Heart Recognition Day.
9. Honor the life and legacy of Alexander Hamilton on the bicentennial of his death.
10. Congratulate the Syracuse Univ. Orange Men’s Lacrosse Team on winning the championship.
11. Congratulate the Le Moyne College Dolphins Men’s Lacrosse Team on winning the championship.
12. Establish the 225th Anniversary of the American Revolution Commemorative Program.
13. Name post office after Sergeant Riayan A. Tejeda.
14. Honor Shirley Chisholm for her service to the nation and express condolences on her death.
15. Honor John J. Downing, Brian Fahey, and Harry Ford, firefighters who lost their lives on duty.
Only five of Senator Clinton’s bills are more substantive:
16. Extend period of unemployment assistance to victims of 9/11.
17. Pay for city projects in response to 9/11
18. Assist landmine victims in other countries.
19. Assist family caregivers in accessing affordable respite care.
20. Designate part of the National Forest System in Puerto Rico as protected in the wilderness preservation system.
In Conclusion, you now have the facts straight from the Senate Records vault.
Posted by: James Brown | February 15, 2008, 12:47 pm 12:47 pm
The onus is on the Super delegates to tell the American people what is actually going on.
Obama, being relatively new and young, need more resources and convincing to do, than the status quo Hilary Clinton and Bill.
It is even mor pathetic for the Super delegates to even receive money from Obama, since he is not as rich as the Clintons.
The bottom line;The presidential nominee of the party shall and must be determine by the people’s choice and not those of the super delegates.
I STRONGLY BELIEVE 90.9% OF THE SUPER DELEGATES HAVE RECEIVED ONE FORM OR KIND OF GRATIFICATION FROM BILL CLINTON AND BY EXTENSION INDIRECTLY, FROM HILARY CLINTON TOO. OBAMA’S OWN IS PRAGMATICALLY INSIGNIFICANT COMPARED TO THE CLINTONS.
TRYING TO MAKE NOISE ABOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT IN OUT IF CONTEXT FASHION IS ANOTHER WAY OF INDIRECTLY FIGHTING AGAINST THE NOMINATION OF OBAMA!
Posted by: Odeh | February 15, 2008, 12:48 pm 12:48 pm
why is everyone ignoring all of the scandels that clinton was apart of when her husband was in office..or him himself was a part of..what nobody remembers any that!!!!!!come on…
Posted by: chris | February 15, 2008, 12:56 pm 12:56 pm
Obama is young, but he did take more money from lobbyists last month and he sent more money to superdelegates. He can do anything he calculated to win,
Posted by: Yes he can | February 15, 2008, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm
just sceptic…thank you for writing that finally someone who relizes what i see!! thank you…..
Posted by: chris | February 15, 2008, 1:06 pm 1:06 pm
The differences I see between Obama’s and Clinton’s health plans are choice. You can choose to keep the plan you have, get your own plan or enroll in his expanded plan. If you show up at the hospital and need care and don’t otherwise have insurance you get covered by the gov’t plan. Done. Or you can go with HRC and be required to enroll in a private plan, oddly enough this is supported by the insurance companies, with no regulation on the level of service they are required to provide, these are the same groups that want your doctor to tell them ways to limit your coverage. If my choice are to keep my freedom to choose, or to lose my freedom to choose, I’ll keep my freedom.
Posted by: Louis | February 15, 2008, 1:06 pm 1:06 pm
Just Sceptic: Get real. These are all vicious rumors in the tabloids. None of these dark deeds can be attributed or blamed on the Clinton’s. You talk like they are mass murders and will put a contract out on anyone who crosses them…lol what paranoia..
Don’t you think by now, someone would have confessed, charged would have been brought against the Clinton’s and they would both be rotting in jail by now.
Posted by: Jordan Clinton | February 15, 2008, 1:07 pm 1:07 pm
and he didn’t so much fire back as to address the fact that she is playing tactics rather than promoting herself.
Posted by: Louis | February 15, 2008, 1:09 pm 1:09 pm
It’s time for a FACT CHECK on recent reports of funds distributed to superdelegates!
1) Who are the superdelegates?
FACT: Superdelegates to the 2008 Democratic National Convention include all Democratic members of the United States Congress, Democratic governors, various additional elected officials, members of the Democratic National Committee, as well as “all former Democratic Presidents, all former Democratic Vice Presidents, all former Democratic Leaders of the U.S. Senate, all former Democratic Speakers of the U.S. House of Representatives and Democratic Minority Leaders, as applicable, and all former Chairs of the Democratic National Committee.”
(Source: Democratic National Committee)
2) When was this money distributed?
FACT: The numbers recently released on funds distributed to superdelegates date back to 2005. Any money given by the Clinton and Obama offices to support Congressional candidates up for reelection in 2006 would fall into this statistic.
Look at all the money Obama and Clinton are funnel to the superdelegates to buy this election!
FACT: The most recent numbers extend only to June 2007 – 7 months before the first primary even took place, and 8 months before the superdelegates became relevant in the campaign.
Posted by: Brandon | February 15, 2008, 1:10 pm 1:10 pm
Obama said in his speech that he won’t build the bridge to the 21st century but he would build the bridge to the future. He won’t play old politic as Clinton did. He is tired of old Washington. But, the true is, Obama received help from Ted Kennedy and Kerry. Ted Kennedy, Kerry are old politicians and they played old politic with Hillary to help Obama. Obama is a liar; he bridged with the 21st century people and also accepted the favors from what he is trying to run away from to get to the top.
Posted by: ironroof | February 15, 2008, 1:12 pm 1:12 pm
nice people will always be nice. nasty people can only be nice temporarily. Now we saw the ugly face of Hillary Clinton yesterday again. That’s her true color. Nasty, divisive,and mean. She claimed that she is tested. Yes. she is tested a liar, tested failurer. She claimed that she is action and solution. her 5 years frozen rate of margage and government mandated health plan were just can’t be sold in US.
Posted by: brightofeyes | February 15, 2008, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm
Jordan – that ‘saint’ persona is something of a strawman you Clinton supporters created to argue against. Obama supporters, for the most part, understand he’s a politician, with warts and everything. He happens to be a very good one, and more authentic than most.
Posted by: Paul | February 15, 2008, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm
As always Paul, I respect your opinion, but stating that Mr. OBama is a very good politician is not necessarily praise.
Being a good politician, only means to me he is no better or worse than Mrs. Clinton.
Posted by: Jordan Clinton | February 15, 2008, 1:21 pm 1:21 pm
I’m wondering why Obama won’t use the “body count” to put Clintons down once for all? It is good story if they are true.
Posted by: ironroof | February 15, 2008, 1:21 pm 1:21 pm
People have same thoughts will votes for each other.
Posted by: ironroof | February 15, 2008, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm
Hillary ideas are original and Obama seems to add each one to his agenda. A message of hope is not the answer. Hillary’s message is “Make It Happen”. More questions should be asked about Obama and the Rezko connection.
Posted by: onenibble | February 15, 2008, 1:32 pm 1:32 pm
I don’t have anything against Obama, but I think 4 years experience is too little be presidential candidate
Obama its time for STOP your words with no actions
Obama its time for STOP your speeches with no solutions
Obama its time for STOP your talk with no actions
Obama its time for STOP your cheap speeches words
Obama its time for STOP biased media that’s in your favor
Obama words are not change and anti Clinton media might helped you but not all the way will STOP you. Truth will speak out
Yes – it’s Time to point out weaknesses! and STOP free rides from bised media like ABC & MSNBC.. They can not harm you any more – they already passed the border line on this. Truth wins at some point
Posted by: david | February 15, 2008, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm
That’s so true Ironroof,
you seem to be the only openminded person on her without judgement on either side!
Hillary is loosing so now she wants to “Debate” when she was ahead she just praised, Honestly look at it Mr. Obama got votes from all over….I lived in Seattle, it’s only 4% African American, explain that, in Iowa it’s barely any African American’s there….Hillary thought she’ll win SC since her huband did good there when he ran there.
Posted by: Just Sceptic | February 15, 2008, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm
In a Debate each candidate has the opportunity to deny or defend from any attack. Why Obama is affraid of them?
Posted by: RAul | February 15, 2008, 1:45 pm 1:45 pm
Why is it OK for Senator Clinton to “show confidence” by making false accusations, and taking an “any means necessary” attitude to get the nomination, but for Senator Obama, it is a sign of “arrogance and cockiness” when he does not get down in the mud with her?
There are no perfect candidates, so I want someone who can help to repair the damage that has already been inflicted upon the citizens of this country by an administration who have no idea how the real world operates. At this point, Mr. Obama has demonstrated that his character and integrity is more important than mudslinging.
Posted by: Nancy | February 15, 2008, 1:45 pm 1:45 pm
I can see that Hillary’s people are getting as angry as their candidate. Wow, that anger must be infectious. Hillary thinks this nomination is an entitlement. That it’s somethign owed to her. She thinks this is what Bill owes her for all the years she tolerated his cheating. Well, she can go straight to hell. The voice of the American people are calling for change, not a return to the Clintons sordid PAST.
Posted by: Roca | February 15, 2008, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm
When the Democrat wins, things will be changed regardless who the winner is. This country need a leader, who is down-to-earth, hand-on experience rather than vote for me because “I’m less evil than the other”.
Posted by: ironroof | February 15, 2008, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm
I follow the debate and am becoming a political junkie. i was around in the 90′s and I have no doubt that Pres. Clinton accomplshed many things for the Dem’s. I also know that his methods of getting things done created alot of unnecessary press. the scandals took away from what should have been getting done. I do not want to go through that again. Vetted Smetted.
I don’t beileve Obama walks on WATER, but if you can raise more money, give more money to the superdelegates, have abetter ground game, win the popular vote and try very hard to run a positive campaign, except when you have to hit back. I think that you probably have the intelligents and abilities to deal with the negatives.
Posted by: Lonestarkaty | February 15, 2008, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm
My thoughts exactly Raul!
I think there’s a double standard there. Hill’s supporters want Obama to sell out his character as she has, so when he doesn’t do it they get angry. Most likely they’re enraged at the fact that Hillary has been forcefully challenged and not handed the nomination. It’s sad!
Posted by: kings2beat | February 15, 2008, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm
I think America should look at the bigger picture – The world. If Clinton Wins we will be going back to the same old same old – Are these the only names that can lead America, Bush and Clinton? haven’t we had enough of the Clintons and the Bushes – Obama represents a better embodiment of the real American Dream and you watch the biggest celebration ever when he becomes the President of USA. I doubt if clinton can beat McCain. America you got it wrong for the last 8 years and you did not care when the rest of the world called you dumb. the rest of the world is rising up and if America gets it wrong one more time we might as well kiss the superpower status goodbye
Posted by: JahIssa Waganda | February 15, 2008, 2:13 pm 2:13 pm
Obama received help from Ted Kennedy. Ted Kennedy, is an old politicians and he played old politic with Hillary to help Obama. Where is Obama’s integrity? Maybe people are tired of old politic but not Obama.
Posted by: ironroof | February 15, 2008, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm
Roca: As I said, people having same thoughts will vote for each other. Obama would say exactly what you said to Hillary supporters. What’s a good leader?
Posted by: ironroof | February 15, 2008, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm
I am supporting Obama I am a middle class citizen who barely maken it, I work for a small company bush’s take more taxes out of my check I can afford to treat myself to anything it sad that Hillary is now talking about how she getting more votes from the upper Middle Class, I wondering how she feel about poor Middle Class Citizen who getting rip off with higher taxes to support the Iraq War that she supported, I cried last nite to see Poor family living in tents in New Orlean I wondering if American who hold Bush accountable for how Poor American taxes is being used for taxes not for American Poor family who need government assistant. CNN is the only new station who show American people the real story how poor people is treated in American, Hillary is not to be trusted just like Bush, It would be a outcry to see her elected president, We need to support Obama he is really for everyone I hope Obama will be elected president.
Posted by: Dre Atlanta | February 15, 2008, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm
This article quotes Obama ad saying, “this kind of gamesmanship is not what the American people are looking for” yet in another article posted here on ABC today entitled “Fact Check: Obama Flier Misleading”……
So, Barry Obama thinks it is okay to mail out fliers that are lies about another candidate so he can mislead voters and hope they vote for him and yet here we have an article telling us he is not about game playing.
Emperor Obama is certainly audacious. Distort and mislead was how another in-experienced candidate named George Bush who also promised to unite America and change Washington operated.
Not seeing much change. Perhaps Obama should stick to pretty and empty speeches instead.
Posted by: Mark | February 15, 2008, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm
Hilary’s campaign is crumbling. Her supporters are likewise sinking deeper and deeper into despair in what has become comparable to an all-out war against Obama for having more charisma and a genuine character severely lacking in both Hilary and John McCain.
Despite all of these negative and arrogant commments by Hilary and her supporters fate has been chosen. Sink with grace.
Posted by: Joshua | February 15, 2008, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm
Rich, well educated peoples won’t affect much by the economy down-turn. They have plenty of money to enjoy their luxury life. The young kids will fall back to their parents’ arms if they fail to stand alone. These classes of peoples need inspirations to excite them. The working class needs to think about how to put the food on the table every day. They don’t dream and they care about who can provide the meals to them and Hillary does.
Posted by: ironroof | February 15, 2008, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm
Now, now people. Be nice. We don’t want to make Hillary cry. The mental zombiness of America showing its fear of the light is hilarious. For those who have been in a complacent position at work and have this sense of entitlement are always the ones to get looked over for promotion for the energetic and highly educated newcomer. This is a classic case of that. The ole battlewagon’s time has come. A couple more torpedos and that boat is sunk. ITS OVER PEOPLE. FACE REALITY!
Posted by: Joris | February 15, 2008, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm
A new era will dawn if we elect obama as president, all right……it will assure young people that it is ok to do drugs, because obama once did drugs, and then he got elected president of the United States. What a hero and role model………
Posted by: Get America Back on Track | February 15, 2008, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm
I’m not trying to insult Democrats that are not wealthy or educated, but i think when people assess the facts, they will see that it is Hillary Clinton that is all talk and no action. Fact is that Obama has done more in the Senate than Hillary (see for yourself, this is public record). He has passed more bills and co-authored more bills than Hillary. He has made more personal sacrifices than she has, and i think her attacks are extremely dishonest. He came from more humble beginnings,a dn didn’t have the vaunted Clinton dynasty puffing him up. He has reduced her to her knees, and that shows his mettle. Is Obama a saint? Hell no! But Hillary is far worse than Obama. In fact, if she wins this nomination, i will not only vote for McCain, but i will donate the maximum amount allowable under the law.
Posted by: Roca | February 15, 2008, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm
Do you guys realise that every politician has to maintain some kind of friendship in the political inner circle. Therefore it is usual and absolute correct that they support each other financially and with their votes, when needed. “I give you, you give me back” Obama supported senator kerry`s candidacy for the potus, and senator clinton and her husband have been supporting other candidates of their choice. This is absolutely correct within a party otherwise one would not survive against a candidate with a better connection. Also, do not forget that Al gore was asked to step down in order to pave the way for Hilary because of the long standing relationship they have got.
So before accusing anyone, go check your facts. It is never a crime to support allies within an allowed framework. This just how our democracy works.
Posted by: pinto | February 15, 2008, 3:09 pm 3:09 pm
JordonClinton (Post 1:21) Re Obama and both being ‘good politicians’. That being the case, I will STILL vote for Obama. Hillary, as I see it, is far too polarizing a figure. From the very beginning of the campaign, Obama has used unity words like ‘We” and ‘Us’. Hillary only began using his tone in the last 2 months. And more than that, I find her ‘I know what’s best for this country (and everyone in it????) attitude presumptuous.
Posted by: dream on | February 15, 2008, 3:19 pm 3:19 pm
If that’s his best shot, Hillary will be fine. Obama=empty suit!
Posted by: AmazonTraveler | February 15, 2008, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm
Pinto? you’re so correct….
See thats someone that isnt a onesided snake for comment, I voted for the Clinton’s I lived in Little Rock and dated one of former Gov. Clinton’s staffers. The Clinton’s are good only when they’re winning in a race, when they’re loosing they are HELL!!!!
Posted by: Just Sceptic | February 15, 2008, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm
“I understand that Sen. Clinton periodically, when she’s feeling down, launches attacks as a way of boosting her appeal,” Obama said in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. “But this kind of gamesmanship is not what the American people are looking for.”
As an Obama supporter, I feel like while everything Barack said is true this isn’t the right time to be calling Hillary out for attacking him – because he’s the front-runner. It’s true it may have a tendency of coming across as more dismissive and possibly even arrogant rather than high-road, and makes him look kind of small.
I guess Barack’s not used to being the front-runner or something but I think this is the time it’s important to stay confident and not get flustered and just stay on message. The best way to disarm Hillary’s attacks is to keep highlighting the particulars of his plans, his record of accomplishment, and his desire to make personal contact rather than preparing for a debate (which can take a lot of time) . . .
Posted by: Sam | February 15, 2008, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm
“Hillary’s healthplan is a much older plan, having existed LONG before Obama’s.”
Yup, and it went nowhere…just like Hillary. She’s in her desperate mode now, so there will be many more attacks…people may FINALLY see her for who she really is…d – e – s – p – e – r – a – t – e and willing to sell her soul to win.
Posted by: Cathi | February 15, 2008, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm
Is what somebody said true about 75% of the people of Wisconsin wanting to see them debate? If that’s true, perhaps the sentiment behind it might be that people feel it would be the best way for them to see how Barack and Hillary’s plans stack up against one another given that some of the details he’s outlining probably seem ‘new’ to people who never checked out his website before for particulars.
If so I think a stronger way to fight back against Hillary’s ‘challenge’ for another debate might be to:
(1) highlight how he wants to spend time with Wisconsonites (unlike Hillary who’s in Texas, and because debate preparation takes time)
(2) on the stump summarize for people where their positions are the same and where they differ and what her critcisms of his policies have been so that he can counter them, and
(3) finally make the case that he’s about RESULTS not just solutions (point to Hillary’s failed healthcare and why it failed – mandates, inability to work across the aisle, etc)
Important not to dismiss the sentiment of the Wisconsin people by claiming Hillary’s using dirty tactics if the majority does in fact want to see a debate . . .
Posted by: Sam | February 15, 2008, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm
CARL…..For the record: For all of Hillary’s “experience,” she sure makes the wrong calls. Her health care plan in ’93, NAFTA, her war vote, her campaign strategy(ies.) I don’t think she has her ear to the ground, but her backside will soon be. While she started her campaign talking about the Clinton years, she blindsided by the fact people don’t want to look back. Next was her experience (“Day 1!”) Then she tried to be the “change agent”- imagine that!- but her “experience” makes her the ultimate insider; hence no change. Now she’s talking about “solutions.” She’s playing “pin the tail on the campaign slogan” because she’s always been more interested in winning than in standing for something. If this is what you support, you deserve to go right down with the ship and allow the life raft to be used by those with “EXPERIENCED” critical thinking skills. Get back to me in November. You’re cooked right now.
Posted by: Joris | February 15, 2008, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm
maybe so…Clinton machine has not stopped yet.
Posted by: CARL | February 15, 2008, 4:16 pm 4:16 pm
Hillary is correct ones performance beats rhetoric any day, and if anyone wants to be honest Obama’s record in the Senate is POOR. So he can say what he wants and make light of what Senator Clinton has achieved but he still has nothing to show to the American public as to what he can or can not do. It is just amazing that some people are so caught up in the “feel good” crap that they are not seeing the bigger picture and acting as if the USA is some banana republic so any smooth talker can fill the shoes of the President.
Posted by: SJ | February 15, 2008, 4:25 pm 4:25 pm
Jesse Jackson, a fellow South Carolinian, who also is a good orator. And is a presidential loser. Broke a lot of ground for the disenfranchised. A previous Bill Clinton supporter. Why all the hate, I am only bringing out the obvious. But, from all this intelligent dialogue, show me 1 idea that someone has brought up of substance from Obama?
Posted by: CARL | February 15, 2008, 4:27 pm 4:27 pm
Obama’s mocking of Hillary in his statement is so striking of his game plan in this race. Obama is betting on the win because Hillary is a woman. He play right into the mold that when fighting with a strong and capable woman, you mock and minimize her. Obama is nothing more then a used car salesman without a car to sell. His slogan of ‘changes you can believe in’ is nothing more then a focus group pick slogan for his presidential campaign. I urge all voters to research his senate and legislature records….and when you do, you’ll see that he has made none, zero, nado, zip the show call ‘changes we can belive in’. The salespitch is an empty one and he is betting on the idea that voters are just dumb enough to buy the image and the fascade without checking the facts. The rherorics is so overblown with the guy that it is now insulting to hear him speak…how can someone who voted to allow sex shop to be built next to schools stand up and speak of changes that will change this country and the world. How much courage does it take to vote ‘NO’ against having sex shop set up next to our childrens’ schools. Wake up voters, Obama is nothing more then a used car salesman.
Posted by: San Francisco, California | February 15, 2008, 4:30 pm 4:30 pm
Preach to the lost San francisco, so that they to can see. Hussein Obama is all talk and no game. But if you want to sell snack oil he is the man.
Posted by: CARL | February 15, 2008, 4:34 pm 4:34 pm
And Carl, you will soon be admitted to the school of common sense. Your rhetoric is laughable at best. It’s fun antagonizing you clowns. Go play with your Army men or something. You’re boring me.
Posted by: Joris | February 15, 2008, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm
Hey Joris for your guy Obama to become President is he going to import his votes or will he need the votes of the Hillary supporters that you now feel are gluttons for punishment? Maybe you need to look at the numbers my friend its going to take every vote to make this happen for your guy, the way some of you Obama supporters are acting I would swear Obama is a Republican.
Posted by: SJ | February 15, 2008, 4:42 pm 4:42 pm
Did anybody catch this? Bill Clinton is calling in favors from when he was in office to gain more super delegates for Hillary. I’m sorry, but that Old boys club of favors in politics is exactly why I will not vote for a clinton. Obama has favors, but not near the amount Hillary will have to pay back when in office. I like the fact that Obama wants to discuss issues that affect the american people in a public forum, rather than closed door meetings.
Posted by: Brian | February 15, 2008, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm
The Obama supporters are sure polarizing the democrat party so maybe they feel the Republican will vote across party lines and give him the Presidency if he is “the one” as they say.
Posted by: SJ | February 15, 2008, 4:49 pm 4:49 pm
The use cars salesman tried to get the Hispanic votes by supporting driver license for illegal immigrants. It means anybody can sneak in US, their status automatically become legal and applying for driver license and freely moving around the country. What’s a genius idea? Yet, the salesman also wanted to get the votes in Idaho, he said that he supported the right to bear arms. But he opposed it before. How many people shot real enemy in US a year and how many innocent people died in US under our own bullets? Thing was just happened in Illinois (a state supported Obama). What’s a wonderful leader? Where is Obama’s integrity?
Posted by: ironroof | February 15, 2008, 4:49 pm 4:49 pm
Please tell me a issue of his own that he is addressing? Thank you…
Posted by: CARL | February 15, 2008, 4:51 pm 4:51 pm
Way to go, Barack. I love the way he responds in the right way. He has kept this entire campaign from spiraling into the destructive attacks the Clintons thrive in.
Posted by: JW | February 15, 2008, 4:51 pm 4:51 pm
Um, sorry Carl:
WASHINGTON – Hillary Clinton may be falling behind rival Barack Obama in the race for the Democratic presidential nomination, but she has the lead in missed votes in the U.S. Senate so far this year.
(from Reuters article yesterday)
Posted by: va for obama | February 15, 2008, 5:08 pm 5:08 pm
The good leader is the person know how to change the tactic to win. Hillary did that. Obama will be very stupid to hold on to his strategy if it does not work out for him.
Posted by: ironroof | February 15, 2008, 5:10 pm 5:10 pm
Joris, just like most Obama supporters, our logic is hollow and imported from the land of the fairies. You think that if someone graduated from Harvard Law school that it means something? Not! Bill gate never went to college and two of my friend who graduated from Cal Berkeley and one from Standford are both being managed by me…..(state college graduate…thank you). I happen to like Mccain and HIllary…and my biggest reason is experience. For god sake, you wounldn’t hire an amatuer mechanic to fix your car or would you hire an amaturer nanny to watch your kids then why in the world would you hire an amatuer politician to run your country? because he can talk good? PPPPPlease!!!! we’re not voting to give an oscar to the best acting performance…we’re voting for a president where hard work, dedication, experience and knowledge counts.
Posted by: San Francisco, California | February 15, 2008, 5:10 pm 5:10 pm
o yeah i trust you, you been dreaming and hoping with barack? lol
I think I will read for myself and what the candidates have done in the past…
Asi I hope everone will than make a informed decision.
I myself have already voted in the primaries.
And whoever you stand for please go and vote in your primary. It is very inportant.
Posted by: CARL | February 15, 2008, 5:11 pm 5:11 pm
SF..In using your analogy, you wounldn’t hire an amatuer mechanic to fix your car or would you hire an amaturer nanny to watch your kids then why in the world would you hire an amatuer politician to run your country?
Your “mechanic” is not fixing your car. He’s making is worse. Your nanny isn’t taking care of your house. She’s stealing from you. Your seasoned politician is so “OLD MUTUAL”. Get with the times. It’s 2008, not 1968.
In response to the college issue, the comparison between Mr. Obama and Mr. MCCain is what I was referring to. Stay on point and stop wandering into Hillary land when I’m attempting to share an opinion, PLEASE!!!
Posted by: Joris | February 15, 2008, 5:18 pm 5:18 pm
Can we all just get along?
OBAMA 08!
Posted by: The Real Joris | February 15, 2008, 5:25 pm 5:25 pm
In 60 Minutes program interview, Obama compared himself with Google Company. He tried to bring up the point that the inexperienced guy likes him, he can be successful too. It’s such a naïve comparison and showing lack of knowledge. He needs to ask himself that how many young “dot.com” companies survive today. Does he know the history of Google and who are running Google now? I bet he did not know. Also, running a country is not running a small company as Google. He admitted that he is inexperienced and tried to kidding himself. *** In the interview on ABC, Michelle Obama said that politic is a game. It means that Obama is not serious. The race to the WH is just a game to them, playing politic to win the contest, take price then letting the country drifting away.
Posted by: ironroof | February 15, 2008, 5:46 pm 5:46 pm
Unfortunately, US found no WMD when they are on the ground. That gave Obama a good leverage for his stand on the anti-war. If they found some WMD, I believed that Obama is chewing dirt now. Now one sure at that time, Obama even admitted that by the day that Bush hit Iraq, most people already tilted to support the war due to the overwhelming facts.
Posted by: ironroof | February 15, 2008, 6:00 pm 6:00 pm
Today in Oshkosh, Wisconsin Obama offered a rebuttal with citations from his record, “When I brought Democrats and Republicans together to have health insurance in Illinois, that wasn’t talk. When I fixed our criminal justice system to prevent wrongful convictions in Illinois, that wasn’t talk. When I worked with Republicans on nuclear proliferation issues that wasn’t talk. So she’s exactly right that speeches aren’t enough. That’s why I’ve been working for the last twenty years to provide real solutions to the American people.”
Referencing Clinton’s support of NAFTA and her vote for the bankruptcy bill, Obama said Clinton’s actions didn’t provide this kind of solutions people need. “So don’t be fooled by this talk about speeches versus solutions. It’s true I give a good speech. What can I do? Nothing wrong with that.”
Posted by: I leave you with this-Bye | February 15, 2008, 6:19 pm 6:19 pm
Sorry Bob, you must be reading someone else’s posts. I respect everyone right to support any candidate they choose. Please re read my posts. I am not demeaning or condescending to anyone. I show the exact same respect or lack of that other posters show me.
I only protest when I am treated like a piece of garbage for my views and opinions.
Posted by: Jordan Clinton | February 15, 2008, 7:06 pm 7:06 pm
I am a die hard democrat.
Regardless of the end decision on who will have the dem. ticket.
I am offened my the remark I heard 15 mins ago on ABC nightly with Charles.
Obama said “she (Hillary)when UPSET!!!
will say…..”
I know this thought.
I have heard this before in the work force.
It is the underside of dicrimination, capable women being insulted “as women who get upset”
My vote will always be for Hillary. She has been fighting this all her life
Posted by: jhbrwnlw | February 15, 2008, 7:09 pm 7:09 pm
Obama strongly supported the right to bear arms to get votes in Idaho. Today, people questioned him about his stand when the shooting happened at Illinois University. He UTTERED the words “gun control” and “leave it to local authority”. Wow, what’s a flip-flopper?
Posted by: ironroof | February 15, 2008, 7:20 pm 7:20 pm
Ben: Out sourcing is a must for US companies to survive. If they collapse, the US economy also collapses. We are in the world market now. No one in the world would by $5 spoon which made in US comparing to the one made in China at a fraction of the cost. The old jobs will go away for good. Hillary had her plan to create new jobs in US by investing in researches, to find new technologies which create new jobs for US workers. We can not make spoons anymore. We make things that the others can not make them.
Posted by: ironroof | February 15, 2008, 7:34 pm 7:34 pm
Ironproof:
Actually, Obama is for gun control in regards to handguns, but in that speech you were talking about in your post, Obama stated that he doesn’t want to take away all guns because of all the people that enjoy hunting. Remember also that the constitution gives us the right to bear arms.
I don’t think that the problem is so much about gun control – I think it is today’s society of being too quick to put kids on meds. In the news, they are stating the shooter again had just stopped taking his meds. This is crazy. Ritalin (if it was that type of med) is a class II drug — you have to be off of it for a LONG time before the military will even take you.
for the record, I am a white, female, disillusioned Republican
Posted by: Wendi | February 15, 2008, 7:59 pm 7:59 pm
Obama attacked Hillary for ties to lobbyists. Obama said Clinton has taken nearly double the amount of money from lobbyists than any democrat for president. Obama wants to change the situation. Yes he can, he has taken more money from lobbyists in recent months.
Posted by: Yes he can | February 15, 2008, 8:51 pm 8:51 pm
Hilary has to have it! lol
Hilary Clinton just wants to spend quality time with a younger and more virile, positive and uplifting male; because Bill is old and crabby, and with a bad heart at that.
What else are we to conclude when they already had more than enough debates and Hilary wants more closeness to Obama?
Posted by: New Yorker | February 15, 2008, 10:21 pm 10:21 pm
I can tell by the comments that nobody is budging on their support. It’s either Obama or Hillary. When Hillary was way out in front (before the voting started), she was rather smug herself. But she felt the Obama groundswell as early as the celebration of Bloody Sunday, commemorating the march over the Edmund-Pettus Bridge. Obama was invited South to speak, the Clintons invited themselves. The Clintons underestimated Obama from the start, and now that they’re in the fight of their lives, they resort to tactics. Obama resorts to end game strategy. And he gives a heck of a speech.
Posted by: ji_john | February 16, 2008, 1:40 am 1:40 am
Thanks, anyway “A. Concerned Citizen” but I’m sticking with Sen. Obama. I’ve done my homework about the issues so I know the facts, I’ve heard him speak and feel comfortable with my decision.
I won’t vote for Hillary (who is my NYS Senator) because she had a chance to show some leadership by not agreeing to Bushs’ war but showed no backbone. Now she’s trying to explain it all away but it all sounds lame to me.
Hillary had her time and now it’s over…..it’s time for her to go.
Posted by: Sandra | February 16, 2008, 2:33 am 2:33 am
He says that when someone comes up with something negative; “We respond.” I am sorry but I didn’t read a response. I read an attempt to deflect from the debate by accusing Clinton with creating a distraction. He makes personal assumptions about her (insults)and continues stating that it’s not the kind of politics people want. Then stop doing it Obama. Hypocrite!
Posted by: irma | February 16, 2008, 2:57 am 2:57 am
So Senator, its better politics to do personal insults by insinuating that Hillary Clinton is emotionally taking something out on you. Yet it is bad politics for Hillary to request a debate on issues? That logic seems extremely FLAWED.
Posted by: irma | February 16, 2008, 3:07 am 3:07 am
Who is a performer/reformer? Geez…give us citizens not just voters a chance. Stop playing with words. Is the government effecting your life? Please vote for your wants, needs and most of all….Insist on answers from these candidates. Thank you. Valerie, Cincinnati Ohio
Posted by: valerie | February 16, 2008, 3:19 am 3:19 am
Obama has made it clear that he wants to unite the people. So she wants to start another fight? Maybe she should get out a gun instead. Maybe we should send her to Iraq to fight in the war that she voted for.
In other news, anyone seen the newest polls for Texas? Hillary still leads, but the gap is closing, and fast. The same will happen in Ohio and Pa. The people of this country can see right through Hillary Clinton.
Posted by: Rubiconski | February 16, 2008, 6:03 am 6:03 am
I’m from Illinois, & I’m SO AMAZED at how Obama’s been able to FOOL SO MANY people! This guy’s done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING PROGRESSIVE (meaning, showing CHANGE), in fact, he’s as corrupt and greedy like the rest of them (just a better LIAR, though)!
Posted by: ENDcorruption | February 16, 2008, 9:45 am 9:45 am
Wendi:
My point is that Obama had supported banning the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns. Now, he said that he has no intention to take away folks’ guns when he stumps for votes in Idaho. He is a flip-flop.
To your point, no matter how insane a person is under any circumstance, it is a big different between having a kitchen knife or a riffle or a grenade or a dirty bomb under his possession. If those weapons are out of our society, we save a lot of lives. If you don’t believe in it for any reason, why don’t we allow freely selling all kinds of weapons on the street and find the way to keep people from being insane? Which way is easier to control and eliminate?
Posted by: ironroof | February 16, 2008, 10:44 am 10:44 am
I agreed with Irma. Obama won’t be able to respond much to Hillary’s attacks. He attacked back with other subject instead or insult Hillary out right. Obama said that he already had 15 debates with Hillary. He is lying. There is only one of one-to-one debate which is in Los Angeles, California. To be a president of the US, a most powerful person in the world, even 50 or 100 debates would not be enough to see how real the person is. So, he won’t say that 15 debates are enough. Debates will kill Obama’s character. He is vulnerable to mistakes and millions of people around the world would see him. Being on the stage, he speaks by himself among his supporters, no one questions him, people just rally, scream following of what he said. It is the advantage for his rhetoric. It is why he has avoided debating.
Posted by: ironroof | February 16, 2008, 11:11 am 11:11 am
Rubiconski:
Hillary also made it clear that she wants to unite people. She is not fighting with Obama. She brought up facts about Obama. For an example, a drug dealer can donate thousands of dollars to charities. But you need to bring up the fact is that he is a drug dealer. Whatever Obama said, Hillary brings up the facts behind it. If he sees this as a negative campaign, how he would deal with other world’s leaders, dictators, groups. Are they going to play nice with him when he is the president? It would be hundred times nastier. He gave people the dream of being united through his rhetoric. But do people know how much he can achieve? Or he already knew that he can unite only 1% of people at best and hiding the truth. Does anybody question him how he would change Washington? No, those Obama supporters are just blindly believe in what he said and dreaming that he will able to change Washington in a big way.
I discount the polls. The media plays dirty game and unfair. Let’s see the real number.
Posted by: ironroof | February 16, 2008, 11:39 am 11:39 am
When is ABC news, or any other media going to report about these allegations against Barack Obama from Larry Sinclair? Why has Senator Obama NOT denied this man’s statements? If this video is true, then Obama is definitely NOT president material.
Posted by: kingsley | February 16, 2008, 12:19 pm 12:19 pm
What’s Obama’s reason for launching attack ads. I know he claims to be better, and doesn’t need to, but have you ever really listened to him? His camp started the whole racist thing, and he tries to come out smelling like a rose, hopefully more people will see thru him soon. The ads I have seen from him in Ohio, have done nothing but attack Hillary. If this is his idea of change, I want no part of it.
Posted by: Deni | February 16, 2008, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm
if this pitifully weak attacking is all it takes to be considered vetted, then let’s allow teenagers to run for President. Why the age limit? Who needs to back up what they say with facts? Who needs to really have done a thing to prove what they are telling us?
This guy is vetted in dodging truth, accidentally voting wrong or not voting at all 130X. He is vetted in a lack of details. He is vetted in giving favors to donors. He is vetted attacking with Wal-Mart while his wife is connected to Wal-Mart via Treehouse. He is vetted in talking up Ethics Bills he didn’t write, introduce, edit, or sponsor IN ANY WAY.
He is not even prepared for what the Republicans are going to do to him. If he thinks he’s had it rough so far – just wait until they take Sinclair, and Exelon, and Rezko, and University of Chicago Hospital, and PAC and lobbyist denials, and 130 Present votes, and OOOPs votes in the state senate. They are going to reem him and then everyone is going to say its a plot to get the AA guy, when all along he is sort of dodging the fact he is only HALF black. We will be told we plotted to defeat the dream out of racism and stupidity, meanwhile none of the followers search outside his website for facts. They just keep quoting his own sites as facts without checking for bias.
Posted by: kingsley | February 16, 2008, 12:33 pm 12:33 pm
Here’s the thing, I know the presidency is great responsibility to bear, but at the same time, success as the president is all about putting smart, competent, and experienced people around you. People act as if the president is doing research him/herself in order to come to conclusions and thats just plain wrong.
With that said, here is one reason why I’m leaning more towards obama right now… With all this convincing the American people that she is so experienced, I get a sense of false confidence from Clinton and in my mind, I don’t think i could trust her to put all the right people around her as president (much less listen to them). This is the same problem we’ve had with W. With her, its all about Hillary. And rhetoric or not, at least Obama is entertaining the fact that its not just him alone that can change things. Inexperience can be a pretty good reason to put the best around you.
Oh and also, I would like to see the Dems. get back in the white house. And nothing unifies republicans like Clinton. McCain is def. well-liked enough amongst Dems. to get all of the party members who can’t stand Hillary. I like Hillary, but it seems now that a vote for her in the primaries is an eventual vote for McCain.
Posted by: Justin | February 16, 2008, 1:29 pm 1:29 pm
Justin:
People hope that Obama will get the good people around him and this is hope. People dream that Obama can unite people, it is a dream. There is no proof and backup. The obvious thing is that he could not unite Hillary supporters to go behind him. He lost half of the Democrat force. He could not turn the red states to blue states. Red state is still a red state. The president needs to have experience to make the decisions. I don’t say that the expert can not be wrong. But statistic always said that the expert made less mistakes, less severe than the inexperienced one.
Posted by: ironroof | February 16, 2008, 2:03 pm 2:03 pm
Obama is even worse. He used his fake rhetoric to hide his old/hate politic and people are falling in his trap.
Posted by: ironroof | February 16, 2008, 2:40 pm 2:40 pm
vote for Hillary!… so we can have Bill back in the White House!…
Posted by: R | February 16, 2008, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm
Obama: “gamesmanship is not what the American people are looking for.”
Obama’s own words, now then how about stopping with the games and speak out Sen Obama, afraid that when you do so on anything of substance, your rhetoric becomes completely empty?
Most Americans want answers and not stump speeches, not avoidance of answering questions completely, without statements like “we have disclosed moe than Clinton has” that isn’t transparency Obama, that is another excuse and they are getting real thin!
Why won’t Obama produce his State Senate Agenda for, hiding things he doesn’t want people to see, like his meetings with lobbyists, special interest groups and dirty money people?
Why is it on Rezko, it is only until he gets caught deeper into it he fesses up, but won’t do so before hand, is this transparency?
Why is it when asked about anything of substance on any matter what so ever, the common excuse to not answering is to shrug it off on Clinton for, is this being above board and for the people?
Why is it when asked by several media organizations to disclose the “budled money contributions” they go ignored, hiding behind a law implimented partly by Obama, after all who best to know how to skirt around an issue when the law was written by the user?
Bringing a new change to dirty campaigning is the only change will see from Obama!
Posted by: Clear Choice | February 16, 2008, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm
When is ABC news, or any other media going to report about these allegations against Barack Obama from Larry Sinclair? Why has Senator Obama NOT denied this man’s statements? If this video is true, then Obama is definitely NOT president material.
Posted by: kingsley | Feb 16, 2008 12:19:51 PM
Kingsley, Kinsley, Kinsley . . . Larry Sinclair appears to have a man-crush on Obama. If his allegations prove true, then, we have to make some decisions on the character of this man running for President.
Yet, whenever I think of voting for Hillary, I remember an article that I read 2 years ago. When I first read this article, all I could do is sit back in my chair and think, “WOW.” Molly Ivins, “Not. backing. Hillary.”
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The phase, “then you go out and find some obscure junior senator from Minnesota with the guts to do it”, especially resonates with me, now.
Posted by: neveragain | February 16, 2008, 4:29 pm 4:29 pm
If it’s specific policy guidance you seek from Barack Obama, then you should check his website to find strategy and detailed policies for over 24 facets of American life from Iraq to Iowa. Who would have thought of that? For the people who’ve had such a tough time trying to determine his policy and stance on issues, you really don’t need a college degree to exercise simple logic. If it’s experience you seek, let’s not forget that President George W. Bush, who spent five years as Governor of Texas, whose brother was Governor of Florida, whose father was Vice-President for eight years and President for four, who was President himself for four years, has in his last and final term shows us that in 2008 that choice to re-elect him has only made our country weaker and more divided, economically, politically, and socially than our generation has ever witnessed. Cleary, this wealth of experience has served the country well. And for those who would claim Hillary Clinton’s First Lady experience as experience, then you should nominate Monica Lewinsky because she has at least equal claim to that. Character and integrity are the most important virtues a President should posses. Give me a smart and experience person with no ethical roots and I’ll give you a disaster. Kenneth Lay, Richard Nixon, Resident Bush—I could go on and on. So if the Obamania “group think” idea is to change government to align it with serving to the benefit of all Americans and the World, then count me in that group and let Obamania and this rash of exuberance that individuals can make a difference when they stand together for what is right, flow over this country like a bucket of cold water waking us from a nightmare of apathy. A government that serves the poeople–who could’ve come up with that idea?
Posted by: Mannewell Darby | February 16, 2008, 6:04 pm 6:04 pm
It’s always funny to hear when people talk about Obama scandals they exist. “When is ABC news, or any other media going to report about these allegations against Barack Obama from Larry Sinclair?” or “What about that Rezko deal, why is nobody reporting about that?” Trust me, I can’t imagine why major news stations and publications haven’t been reporting this stuff either. I also wonder why nobody reports UFOs and the Loch Ness monster either. This is all great stuff. Troubling. However in my search for disgrace and dishonesty, I did find that Clinton has over 308,000 results for “clinton scandals” on Google. Clinton supporters, go ahead–Google it and read a few. I double dog dare you.
Posted by: Mannewell Darby | February 16, 2008, 6:16 pm 6:16 pm
“There’s a debate coming up next Thursday in Ohio — after the 18 that we’ve already had,” he said, smiling broadly. “This is a distraction and I think people know that.”
I am not sure if I am taking this out of context, but how is a debate a distraction? Obama knows that he doesn’t have as much substance as Clinton.
Posted by: Michelle | February 16, 2008, 7:47 pm 7:47 pm
OBAMA IS ALL TALK AND A JOKE. THIS COUNTRY BETTER WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE BEFORE THEY EVEN REMOTELY THINK ABOUT MAKING HIM THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE. OBAMA NEEDS TO GO ON AN ISLAND WITH SEAN HANNITY.
Posted by: anoymous | February 16, 2008, 8:33 pm 8:33 pm
Michelle, I understood Obama to mean that her negative TV ad was a distraction and not the debate she is desperately seeking. Please excuse me if I am wrong – I only speak and write English, and I am not in the habit of taking things out of context.
Posted by: Edward | February 16, 2008, 8:49 pm 8:49 pm
I know why most of the criticisms here are directed at Obama. In much milder language than the use of “empty suit”, “no intellect”, etc., my post in support of him was rejected as spam. With the hope this wouldn’t be:
Go Hillary! Go! Go!
Score a knockout in Wisconsin, Texas and Ohio.
Posted by: Edward | February 16, 2008, 9:30 pm 9:30 pm
if this pitifully weak attacking is all it takes to be considered vetted, then let’s allow teenagers to run for President. Why the age limit? Who needs to back up what they say with facts? Who needs to really have done a thing to prove what they are telling us?
This guy is vetted in dodging truth, accidentally voting wrong or not voting at all 130X. He is vetted in a lack of details. He is vetted in giving favors to donors. He is vetted attacking with Wal-Mart while his wife is connected to Wal-Mart via Treehouse. He is vetted in talking up Ethics Bills he didn’t write, introduce, edit, or sponsor IN ANY WAY.
He is not even prepared for what the Republicans are going to do to him. If he thinks he’s had it rough so far – just wait until they take Sinclair, and Exelon, and Rezko, and University of Chicago Hospital, and PAC and lobbyist denials, and 130 Present votes, and OOOPs votes in the state senate. They are going to reem him and then everyone is going to say its a plot to get
the AA guy, when all along he is sort of dodging the fact he is only HALF black.
We will be told we plotted to defeat the dream out of racism and stupidity,
meanwhile none of the followers search outside his website for facts. They just keep quoting his own sites as facts without checking for bias
Posted by: kingsley | February 16, 2008, 11:22 pm 11:22 pm
In the past few days Sen Obama has been a tad more under the microscope. I think that this is because he is being treated as the nominee by McCain. With Hillary he can scoff at her comments and folks say Clinton machine rah rah rah. When it is the GOP people wait for a response. He isn’t used to it and not doing so well.
As for the mean old Hillary attacks me when she has her period approach its getting old.
Post super Tuesday (evening)they both gave speecheses to supporters he went on the attack not Hillary. Then the day after let us not forget the dump truck comment.
How much longer can he play the victim?
One problm with fads people get over it after awhile.
Posted by: Interesting | February 17, 2008, 5:56 am 5:56 am
Dreams and hopes inspire people but conquering the reality is a much harder job to do. Obama gave people the dream that everybody will be united. Obama gave people the hope that he can change Washington. But he is not showing that he has that capability. He is not showing that what he would do to make that happen. On the other hand, Hillary is more pragmatic. She had the solutions to solve our today problems. I don’t dream to be on the moon when I don’t have enough food on the table; I’m going to loose my house tomorrow; my job will be chopped next week, etc…All of the Obama’s talks are based on dreams and hopes. It is not the good way to solve our current problems.
Obama came up with an economic aid package and he said that it would happen when we pull out of Iraq completely. This means that if for any reason we can not pull out of Iraq, his plan will fail. What’s a genius plan? It is the very good escape key for him.
Posted by: ironroof | February 17, 2008, 11:42 am 11:42 am
Obama will be the nominee…So Hillary supporters step back and get your foot out your mouth!!!
Posted by: FrigidWeather | February 17, 2008, 11:56 am 11:56 am
This never-ending gibberish does nothing to help matters, people.
How can we answer all of the questions here? All one can do in this forum is get us farther from the truth.
How can we claim to know any one of these candidates? Even the Clintons, who have been through the ringer for most of their careers..we don’t know them.
Obama, we don’t know him. But, I’ll tell you what. The more I get to know him and what he could do with the presidency, the more I am for him.
I would love to have Hillary as president, but I think for the world, we need someone who can be a lightning rod for good throughout the world.
You know, Personally, I think, it’s more WE believing in ourselves. We daring to go out there and stand on the corner and vote with your actions and not just your ballot.
I think what Obama is telling us to do is for US to become active. We do see people stepping up to the plate time after time, but if it’s to do something that isn’t popular, or could hinder someone’s political aspirations, or a company’s ledger, it’s going to be fought tooth and nail and pen and ink.
THe reason, I think democrats don’t get anything done, as opposed to Republicans, is that republicans are for not doing ANYTHING. It is so easy to sit back and do nothing.
Like here we are, squabbling about lobby tripe and who’s meaner when we all could be deciding what things we could be doing to help our people, and ourselves.
This is the negative game. To make us all squabble and parse.
Take a moment, please, before we tear up our very hope for a better life through either of these candidates, and think about it. just sit and regard what I am saying.
We can either pick everything apart, or we can let the crap go and go on with the real substance.
Posted by: stupid name | February 17, 2008, 11:49 pm 11:49 pm
I just want people to stop accusing Obama of being a sexist, you have this radical women who take anything he says twists it and claims it to be sexist. I guess clinton better hope the Obama camp doesnt begin to take everything she says and turn into a racist remark or maybe thats what she will need to win.
Posted by: T Smith | February 19, 2008, 2:53 pm 2:53 pm
The buying of delegates is old news, politicians have been doing it for years. The only one Clinton has to blame is here own over confidence the reason she didnt pay the delegates (as much as Obama but was still paying them) becasue she didnt feel she was going to need them. oops well i guess she screwed up.
Posted by: Jamel | February 19, 2008, 2:58 pm 2:58 pm
Obama fan – during the Last Clinton administration we actually had a surplus!!! You tell me when since or before that that has happened?!?!?!?!?
Posted by: Dave | April 25, 2008, 7:35 pm 7:35 pm