By Jennifer Parker

Feb 13, 2008 5:15pm

Obama: McCain ‘Traded Principles for his Party’s Nomination’

ABC News’ Sunlen Miller Reports: Sen. Barack Obama told a crowd in Waukesha, Wisconsin today that the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, Sen. John McCain "traded principles for his party’s nomination."

Obama argued McCain has acted like President George W. Bush on the economy and on the Iraq war.

"George Bush may not be on the ballot this fall, but his tax cut and his economic policies are… that is a debate that I’m happy to have, because the American people know that Bush’s policies have not worked for ordinary Americans," Obama said.

Watch it HERE.

Obama said he was surprised by McCain’s recent criticism of his economic policy – direct criticisms McCain started in the last few days.

“Economics is not his strong suit,” Obama said with a smile, “he said ‘I don’t understand economics very well’, and after he said that, it shows.”

Obama told the audience that he believes McCain’s economic policies would be “more of the same” of Bush tax policies – and argued McCain’s position has undergone a transformation since running for president.

“John McCain criticized (Bush tax cuts) as irresponsible back when he wasn’t running for president of the U.S.A. because he understood that we could not keep on with tax cuts for the wealthy at a time of war, that it would be irresponsible," he said.

"That we would have tax cuts when military families are shouldering this burden and so many of the benefits of these tax cuts, and I’m quoting here, so many of the benefits go to the most fortunate. Somewhere along the line, he traded those principles for his party’s nomination and now he’s for those tax cuts.”

Obama also added a new criticism of McCain, slipping McCain’s name into his classic stump speech line on healthcare.

"Senator Clinton has a good health care plan, I’ve got a good health care plan, John McCain doesn’t have such a good health care plan,” Obama said, but was short on specifics of what he doesn’t agree with.

Obama’s criticism of McCain has been slowing building since both won the South Carolina primary. McCain has also been going after Obama directly by name in recent days.

Obama says he is taking McCain’s verbal attacks as a precursor of the general election.

“I thought it was flattering – it’s clear he knows who his opponent is going to be,” Obama said.

User Comments

Hate to say it but, he’s right. McCain can’t counter Obama. Hilliary yes, with her unlikeables but Obama, no. McCain’s experience is undercutted by his support for the two current wars, plus Iran. His knowledge of the economy is laughable, and since campaign fiance passed, he has shown little more to offer America than more sacrifice, and more war. I don’t think the majority of Americans can get behind the banner of more death and more debt. Even Hilliary looks more reasonable by comparison. As is stands today, Obama comes across as the most “likeable” and “reasonable” alternative; next to Hilliary and McCain. I much rather have his campaign that Hilliary’s or John’s right now. That’s for sure.

Posted by: cba | February 13, 2008, 5:49 pm 5:49 pm

Sen. Obama is a co-sponsor of the Fair Pay Act, which would provide employees a cause of action if they were not paid equal pay for “equivalent work” in the private sector. Our government would decide what work was equivalent (truck driver/secretary, so forth), and thus set compensation levels throught the country. This law would serve as a considerable dislocation in the labor market, and constitute a massive intrusion by the federal bureaucracy into private decision making.
If economics is Obama’s strong suit, he should fold now.

Posted by: weffiewonj | February 13, 2008, 5:57 pm 5:57 pm

When is this man going to ever say exactly what his policies are and what exactly is he going to do if he gets to be President. He always drops short on offering anything, how in heavens name can anyone vote for him if they have no idea what he is brining to the table.

Posted by: SJ | February 13, 2008, 6:00 pm 6:00 pm

Obama’s criticism is two-dimensional…and an age-old, tried-and-true (oh MY…that’s not consistent with CHANGE…although Hitler promised “change” too…and delivered, unfortunately…).
McCain and his policies ARE NOT – repeat, are NOT – those of Bush’s. The only commonality is that they are both Republicans…and both half-Republi/Democans.
It would be as cheap a shot as to criticize Obama…were he to win…to claim that he AS PRESIDENT is ony perpetuating Bush’s policies, because he is also president.

Posted by: Ed Wallis | February 13, 2008, 6:08 pm 6:08 pm

McCain is a fear monger just like Bush. People are tired of hate. McCain is a ‘hater’ and a small thinker like Bush, who will continue to drive people/nations apart. Some people in this world need to demonize others in order to feel good about themselves (i.e., reference ‘axis of evil’ – and then murder 1M+ innocent Iraqis and then call yourself a man of God).

Posted by: cb | February 13, 2008, 6:20 pm 6:20 pm

“More of the same, McCain”. That’s enough to have him come in second. Obama=optimism

Posted by: Tom Canavan | February 13, 2008, 6:27 pm 6:27 pm

As a moderate, I have always been a McCain fan. But his comments about staying in Iraq for 100 years is insane. Do the math: $265 million per day X 365 days per year X 100 years. Obama or Clinton will make mincemeat pie out of dear old John on this and a host of other issues where he wants to be “Bush” McCain and maintain the status quo.

Posted by: Frank | February 13, 2008, 6:29 pm 6:29 pm

All the way Obama, great speach, exactly right about McCain.
I would have considered voting for McCain back when he had a backbone, but his sellout to Bush has been quite disturbing, and shallow.

Posted by: Berkeley Democrat | February 13, 2008, 6:32 pm 6:32 pm

I keep hearing the knock on Obama that he is not specific enough about the issues and his policies in his talks. He is very specific about all of his policies regarding, health care, homeland security energy,environment,immigration, faith and all of the prudent topics on his website. It would be redundant to continue to go over the same things in his stump speeches. Obama’s greatest assets are his leadership qualities and his ability to organize and motivate people to take action. His campaign is a great demonstration of that. He is exactly what the United States need. We haven’t had a real leader in a long time. Probably since JFK.

Posted by: Lee King | February 13, 2008, 6:51 pm 6:51 pm

How can Obama lead us out of Iraq safely when he has NEVER been there? I hope someone asks him that in the debate.

Posted by: Need to Know | February 13, 2008, 6:56 pm 6:56 pm

Who understands the economy? Check out the candidates spending proposal projections!
$286.999 BILLION
Projected annual spending for Obama’s proposals
$218 BILLION
Projected annual spending for Clinton’s proposals
$7 BILLION
Projected annual spending for McCain’s proposals
$54 BILLION
Projected annual spending for Huckabee’s proposals

Posted by: Pat | February 13, 2008, 7:01 pm 7:01 pm

Senator Obama’s energy policy plan calls for a bigger push for nuclear power which I strongly disagree with largely because the nuclear energy industry has not adequately developed methods to dispose of nuclear waste in a way that would not be completely safe or at risk to the environment and public with a longer view of a maturing industry.
In the longer view of more nuclear waste disposal being produced, the nuclear energy industry has always positioned disposal with a rosy and forward-looking statements without costs estimates and technological developments to back up their claims of future environmental and human safety.
More future production of nuclear waste would incur more cost to the taxpayer through government oversight through DOE.
I would encourage all to re-examine Senator Obama’s energy plan with respect to nuclear energy for America for the obvious long term environmental risks and long term cost of disposal.
It would be wise to check all the candidate’s position on nuclear energy and disposal of hazardous waste policies.

Posted by: threeriverscrossing | February 13, 2008, 7:02 pm 7:02 pm

Obama is a Socialist. Not a Communist, a Socialist. A Communist pushes his agenda onto the people whether they like it or not. A Socialist gets you on the hook with tasty morsels. Either way, you become a victim of the Communist Manifesto. Read Karl Marx and his Manifesto, it is about 80% complete. I believe many people have been duped into supporting communism and don’t even realize it.
I like Obama’s speeches, he is definitely a better person than Hillary and McCain put together. I’m sure many would agree. I will not be voting for him though, voting for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil.
I wonder if Obama would be so fair as to ask his supporters who once supported another candidate to vote according to their principles? I mean, if they originally supported someone else based soley on principle, then changed because they were convinced their original pick was “unelectable”, wouldn’t they have traded their principles to vote for a “winner”?

Posted by: roland | February 13, 2008, 7:02 pm 7:02 pm

JFK A REAL LEADER? WHERE DID HE LEAD THE U.S.? BESIDE DIFFERENT TIME AND ERA…MOSTLY THE WHITE MALE WHERE THE REGISTERED VOTERS, WOMAN HAD NO VOTING RIGHTS UNTIL THE 70′S…WHERE DID JFK LEAD US? BAY OF PIGS, THE SOVIET EMBARRASSING THE U.S. WITH THE U2 PILOT BEING SHOT DOWN, INVOLVEMENT IN VIETNAM AND ETC ETC ETC…JUST LOOK AT HIS BROTHERS TEDDY AND EDWARD KENNEDY THEY ARE NOTHING BUT A DRUNK….

Posted by: MARINE4EVER | February 13, 2008, 7:06 pm 7:06 pm

So much for the politics of hope and staying positive…

Posted by: Millie | February 13, 2008, 7:08 pm 7:08 pm

Looks like its on. I thought they’d give it a little time, but its on.
cba – I agree. Obama has the upper hand right now. There’s a lot of time obviously, and dynamics which switch back and forth at least a couple times. But if these two are trying talking points on for size, it sure seems like Obama’s fit better at the moment.
Regarding Clinton supporters who criticize Obama for abandoning hope – had he not responded to McCain’s talking points, wouldn’t you also have criticized that? And besides, there is a world of difference is the talking points Obama and McCain have used against one another, and the type of stuff the Clintons do. Those who don’t see that perhaps never will. Many of us do see the difference, however.

Posted by: Paul | February 13, 2008, 7:17 pm 7:17 pm

cb, don’t quote george soros #s. It’s funny how those such as you develop a conscience about the iraqi people all of the sudden, but seemed to be glaringly silent during what saddam did to them…
Obama says he would bomb pakistan. That’s optimism if I’ve ever heard it.

Posted by: john h | February 13, 2008, 7:23 pm 7:23 pm

I have seen people have their heads pulled out of their rears and complain that the scent of blooming flowers is overwhelming. What do you think happens next?

Posted by: roland | February 13, 2008, 7:34 pm 7:34 pm

McCain has basically used his POW status, apparently highly regarded by those who never quite understood what a debacle the Vietnam war was for this country, to slurp at the public trough for the rest of his life. POliticians don’t do anything constructive – at best they keep out of the way, so that intelligent and creative people can do things. Anyone who supports the Iraq war is both immoral and deeply anti-American. This nation was not founded to murderously meddle in others’ affairs – just the opposite. McCain’s a bum. Sadly, it seems that I never have the option of voting for someone I really would like to be in office, but only for a lesser bum of a pack of bums. Why, I wonder, do we never have intelligent candidates with strong educational backgrounds who might even have a chance of understanding science, technology, economics, and other important areas? Instead, it’s always dopes and bums.

Posted by: bob | February 13, 2008, 7:42 pm 7:42 pm

So much for bringing people together! Obama is not ready, and he reveals that by copying Hillary’s plans: Gulf Coast Recovery, Energy, Education, etc., and he lies on the stump that his health insurance plan covers everyone. We need someone who is educated about the issues, and he is not it.
Geo

Posted by: georgia | February 13, 2008, 7:46 pm 7:46 pm

If Obama is the Democatic nominee, McCain looks better and better. He has reached across the aisle, and he is a moderate. We need someone with EXPERIENCE!
Geo

Posted by: georgia | February 13, 2008, 7:49 pm 7:49 pm

Wow, how can McCain submit a budget for his economic plan of $7 billion and Bush just put forth his annual budget projection in the Trillions. Sounds like the economy would fall completely flat on McCain’s watch, our troops will be without the proper gear and equipment they will need to continue with this senseless war that we are in.
Trust me McCain has no resolutions to the mess that Bush has created. And his budget projection speaks of his inadequacies to run the country. He also missed over 50% of the Senate votes (something like 255) over the past year that decided policies that effect us as citizens.
I don’t trust Obama, the verdict is still out on this one. Good speaker but “talk is cheap, it’s takes money to buy good whiskey”. He has no previous record to stand on as far as accomplishments go. He missed 37% of Senate votes that involved policies that effect us as citizens.
Huckabee is too religious (so he thinks), we don’t need anymore of the Christian right in there. Look at the mess we’re in now.
It would appear to me that they only hope would be that an Independent steps forward and makes a run for the White House that has a record to stand on so we know exactly what the person is about.
If not, I think that Hillary Clinton is the only person that can really get the job done. She is a very intelligent candidate and a record of success that is evident. At least there was peace times and a good economy the last time a Clinton resided in the White House. It took a Clinton to clean up the last Bush mess, I’m thinking that it will take a Clinton again to clean-up the bigger mess we’re in now. She has been present to vote for more policies than either McCain or Obama, she missed 24% of the votes. We need a President that has shown more dedication to the needs of the American people. Hillary is the best choice for who is available at this time, perhaps at the convention the Democrats will draft Al Gore as the nominee, if not Clinton is the best available choice.

Posted by: chickychickyboomboom | February 13, 2008, 7:50 pm 7:50 pm

Because Obama is too intelligent to lose focus and look beyond the Democratic nomination, his strategy is LESS about insane McCain, and more about making the Clintons THIRD TERM bid seem irrelevant to Democratic voters.
American short attention span makes it a waste of time to begin a General Election bid at this early a date.
The aim is to make Hilary Clinton appear irrelevant; although Barack does not need to do anything to make Hilary just go away from voters attention.

Posted by: New Yorker | February 13, 2008, 7:54 pm 7:54 pm

Is it really wise to place “smack” and “Obama” in the same headline. Next McCain will be telling us Obama fried some brain cells when he was using drugs in his youth.

Posted by: Joe | February 13, 2008, 7:56 pm 7:56 pm

I can tell Hillary’s done from here in California; you don’t even have to stick the fork in.

Posted by: Randle Bate | February 13, 2008, 7:56 pm 7:56 pm

Did McCain need a deal with a fundraiser to buy a home? Obama ever heard of a bank? If you cannot afford a home you just don’t buy it. Basic economics there Obama. Or is Michelle in control of the calculator at Obama’s house?

Posted by: Joe | February 13, 2008, 7:58 pm 7:58 pm

Obama took shots at Clinton for voting for a tax break for corporations that make profits overseas. He is WRONG. Without bringing jobs overseas, US companies will collapse which leads to the collapse of the entire US economy. We have to stay competitive with other companies around the world. No one in the world would want to buy a $5 spoon which is made in US, while it costs a few cents if made in China. We are selling our products worldwide, not in US only. US companies can not survive by just selling to Americans. Out sourcing is a must. But, providing tax cut for the companies, it will help them to have extra money to hire people to do researches, find the new technologies and create new jobs for people in US. It is Hillary’s plan. Rolling back tax cut for corporations is a big mistake.

Posted by: ironroof | February 13, 2008, 8:12 pm 8:12 pm

weffiewonj: You obviously are speaking of Senate Bill S-1087, the Amendment to the Fair Labor Standards Act. You need to log in to the GPO and read the Amendment. What you’re saying couldn’t be farther from the truth. The bill is designed to provide equal pay and prohibit discrimination for similar but not dissimilar work based on race, sex, or national origin, such has been happening for decades, especially where women are highly qualified and are given the job but at less pay than a man would be paid. I give Barack kudos for signing on to this bill. Perhaps you’re one of those who would like to hire Hillary to be President,but only pay her $300,000 a year, not the $400,000 legal salary.

Posted by: GC | February 13, 2008, 8:27 pm 8:27 pm

Obama showed his true colors as a dispicable low life when he insulted Mitt Romney after he (Romney) bowed out of the GOP contest gracefully.
Obama gets a pleasure out of kicking people when they are down, and this is not what leaders in other countries are going to want to see in the new U.S. leader.
Also, Obama simply will never give specifics about anything because he has none – remember – he voted “present” some 190+ times meaning he wasn’t willing to take a stance on the bills up for vote. Do we even know if this guy is literate?

Posted by: Jim | February 13, 2008, 8:35 pm 8:35 pm

Why does nobody question Barack Obama’s rhetoric. I get sick of the media’s love affair with him and it will be a sad day if Americans elect a President who has no record of accomplishment…and only a record of politically motivated rhetoric.

Posted by: ABG | February 13, 2008, 8:38 pm 8:38 pm

Obama has the cult following for now and people willing to drink the KoolAid.
If he wins the Democratic nomination, the hip walk, the rhetoric of messianic proportion, will be reduced to once sentence stutters as he has to explain himself, not to the MoveOn.org wing of his adoring public, but to the general public of centrists and less educated workers. He is McGovern and Carter all wrapped up in a MSM package delivered for your Valentine’s Day. However, while VD occurs once a year, it remains in your heart forever.

Posted by: KRG | February 13, 2008, 8:44 pm 8:44 pm

Pat: Why didn’t you continue with the rest of your little table. You for got the $150 billion in annual savings after Ron Paul eliminated most of the government . It’s at the bottom of the table you quoted from the Ron Paul website. What you might check into is the projected annual saving by passing Barack Obama’s Senate bill S-1181, titled Shareholder Vote on Executive Compensation Act. This bill has now been read twice and is currently in the Committee of Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs. It currently has over 90%support by Democrats, but opposed by 70% Republicans. It has been estimated passage of this bill will return over $500 billion to the U.S. Economy. Go to http://www.thomas.loc.gov and read it. This is one of the major reasons the Republicans don’t want Senator Obama in the Presidency. They know if he wins, this bill wins.

Posted by: GC | February 13, 2008, 8:51 pm 8:51 pm

It was shocking to me to be forced to vote Democrat in 2006 and once again I’m forced to abandon the Republicans, John McCain is no better than Bush and probably worse.

Posted by: Patriot2008 | February 13, 2008, 9:10 pm 9:10 pm

Wow, its easy to understand how Bush won 2 elections (actually he lost but that’s another story) when you read some of the things people have written here. I think anyone that voted for Bush in the last 2 elections needs to sit this one out for the sake of the country because they have showed such a lack of common sense. We need a fresh start and I think Obama is the one to do it. Obama in 2008!!!

Posted by: Mike | February 13, 2008, 9:14 pm 9:14 pm

GC | Feb 13, 2008 8:51:38 PM Posted the following:
What you might check into is the projected annual saving by passing Barack Obama’s Senate bill S-1181, titled Shareholder Vote on Executive Compensation Act. This bill has now been read twice and is currently in the Committee of Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs. It currently has over 90%support by Democrats, but opposed by 70% Republicans. It has been estimated passage of this bill will return over $500 billion to the U.S. Economy. Go to http://www.thomas.loc.gov and read it. This is one of the major reasons the Republicans don’t want Senator Obama in the Presidency. They know if he wins, this bill wins.
The most important economic policy decision will be who will END the wars and who will sell-out to the war profittering anarchists who don’t give a rat’s @s( about anyone but themselves.
McCain: 4 more wars
shrillary: The right-wing conspirarist’s made me do it
Obama: Let’s END this with the minimum amount of bloodshed…BUT MAKE NO MISTAKE WE ARE OUT.
VOTE CHANGE
and SEE: LOOSE CHANGE the DOCUMENTARY REAL PATRIOTS WATCH
Then take ONE DAY out of your life to HONOR ALL THE DEAD…and see the truth for yourself.
WACO
OKLAHOMA- 1996 IIRIR & AEDP acts as well as 1996 amalgamation of media
911- The ‘patriot’ act- PASSED WITHOUT EVEN BEING READ
THE REAL PATRIOT QUESTION’S GOVERNMENT TO PREVENT THE GOVERNMENT FROM ABUSE
THE REAL PATRIOT DOES NOT FALL IN LINE CHANTING PATRIOTIC SLOGANS WHILE THE INNOCENT DIE
IT ISN’T ABOUT ‘the economy stupid’
IT IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE ABOUT HUMAN LIFE AND AN ECONOMY THAT SERVES THE PEOPLE RATHER THAN PEOPLE BEING MADE SERVANTS OF THE ECONOMY:
VOTE CHANGE

Posted by: Liam Brent Kelly | February 13, 2008, 9:17 pm 9:17 pm

Nice picture of Barack and McCain scowling at lint floating in the air. some one please pinch McCain to see if he is still breathing.
Go Obama!

Posted by: PollCat | February 13, 2008, 9:19 pm 9:19 pm

A couple of things in which Oprahma excels: Ctiticizing ad naseum, Acting holier than thou, and slicing the baloney.

Posted by: TheRockofAges | February 13, 2008, 9:24 pm 9:24 pm

Look at the picture ABC ran of McCain – that is a clue to what is to come as the media turns it’s Racketeering Election Fraud attention and attacks from Hillary to McCain.

Posted by: Bill | February 13, 2008, 9:24 pm 9:24 pm

You talked today about Hillary going “negative” on Obama calling for debates in WI but you never mentioned Obama’s mailer that falsely says Hillary called NAFTA a “boon”. Why is that?

Posted by: Eric | February 13, 2008, 9:25 pm 9:25 pm

ABG: That’s a nice little link you provided. Like so many others you find a blog that appears to be derogatory, and you stop there and decide to use it derogatorily. Why didn’t you follow through and investigate what happened after Whirlpool bought Maytag. Try the article in USA Today, 5-10-2006 entitled “Whirlpool to cut 4500 jobs, close plants” http://www.USAtoday.com/money/industries/manufacturing/2006/-05-10-whirlpool_x.htm If you had you would have found there was little Senator Obama could do as a state legislator, but once he became a U.S.Senator, he took up the fight for the displaced workers in Iowa and Illinois.

Posted by: GC | February 13, 2008, 9:27 pm 9:27 pm

I just wish there was a candidate I could feel good about voting for. I can’t imagine Obama, Mccain, Hillary and definitely not Huckabee in the race. Right when I was starting to feel good about a candidate Mitt Romney had to leave the race. What a depressing election cycle!

Posted by: hopeful | February 13, 2008, 9:31 pm 9:31 pm

McCain has stood on principle and against partisanship for his entire career. Can Obama say the same? He’s not once stood up to the Democratic party. He’s been waiting in the wings for the Democratic nomination since the establishment tabbed him as the speaker at the last DNC. Waited, and not much else.
When he could have been leading, he chose to follow. He’s watched in silence as the Democratic congress has squandered it’s mandate to end the Iraq war. Can you trust him now to bring the troops home? The Democrats have been playing a game with the American people. They promised an end to the war without ever acknowledging the tactical realities that are keeping us in Iraq (and may keep a small troop presence in Iraq for as long as we’ve been in places like South Korea). Obama has been only too happy to play along in this abuse of his voters’ trust.
McCain has stuck by his principles under enormous pressure from the far-right wing of the Republican party. Which shouldn’t come as a surprise coming from a man who once endured 5 and a half years of torture in defense of his principles. McCain has not wavered on his condemnation of torture, his opposition to Guantanamo bay, his support for rational and fair immigration reform, and his commitment to cutting spending. When has Obama demonstrated that he has any principles in the first place, other than his arrogant sense of entitlement to the presidency of the United States?

Posted by: Honestly | February 13, 2008, 9:31 pm 9:31 pm

The left biased network marches on. ABC thinks that an Obama slam of McCain is a big story and provides the most non flattering pix of McCain to add insult. Amazing.

Posted by: Tom Daley | February 13, 2008, 9:36 pm 9:36 pm

McCain does not have a clue!!!!He is a war monger who only wants policies for his rich buddies who import slave labor from the south. Dump the republicans and their democratic look alike—Clinton. It is time for the people to run America not Washinton insiders. Obama now!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: rockychance | February 13, 2008, 9:44 pm 9:44 pm

McCain is yesterday—-no he is so old he is last century!!!!!!!!!!!America comes of age with the new age of Obama.

Posted by: rockychance | February 13, 2008, 9:47 pm 9:47 pm

Liam Brent Kelly: I could not agree more about the need to end the needless bloodshed and bring our troops home from a wrong war. But to rebut your statement “IT ISN’T ABOUT THE ECONOMY, stupid.” I don’t believe I’m being “stupid” in supporting Barack Obama’s effort’s to end the voracious profit taking by corporations benefiting from this unjust and illegal war. You might try to use the new website http://www.USAspending.gov, thanks to another piece of legislation by Barack Obama, and see just how many billions of dollars have been awarded to corporations involved in defense. After finding those corporations, go to their individual websites and look at their financials. While you’re at it, take those same industries, many of which are based in New York, then go to http://www.fec.gov and look up campaign donations by those same industries. You won’t find them in Obama’s column, but the campaign of another Senator, who just happens to be from New York.

Posted by: GC | February 13, 2008, 9:49 pm 9:49 pm

everybody keeps saying mccain is some hero, he divorced his wife who had a black baby why she thought him dead. he then married a rich women with political connections. some hero,he had spoke out against the bush tax cuts now he is all for them just because he wants to be pres. and get a chance to wage war again. he served in a failed war now he wants to run a failed war.

Posted by: frank | February 13, 2008, 10:10 pm 10:10 pm

I feel sometimes im at the Derby. We all have a horse in this race. They all look good. With a few more races to go. Those Texas four year olds are strong along with those Ohio Trotters. This upcoming Wisconsin race, I got two bucks on Rocky Chance.
Need 2 Know
Berkeley D
King Lee
Chicky Chic
New Yorker
Patriot
Hopeful
Poll Cat
Demo Rules
Rocky Chance

Posted by: PollCat | February 13, 2008, 10:16 pm 10:16 pm

I invite you to visit both Hillary and Obama websites to view their economic plan. Hillary’s plan is way, way better than Obama’s plan. Obama’s plan is very general. And, we do not know if it is feasible. His inexperience shows here. Hillary’s plan can be used in a very short period of time because it is specific and focus. Vote Hillary!!

Posted by: Peter | February 13, 2008, 10:16 pm 10:16 pm

McCain, move over for the new generation
The polls on RealPolitics.com show Obama beats McCain. Check it out.

Posted by: Murry | February 13, 2008, 10:18 pm 10:18 pm

Obama is new alright. His new ideas include; tax the rich, spend like a drunken sailor and surrender! Sounds like Jimmy Carter, but with more energy.

Posted by: Pam | February 13, 2008, 10:22 pm 10:22 pm

This is the most absurd series of posts I have ever read. Aside from a few people who have apparently held their gut in check long enough to comment intelligently, the commentators here apparently represent the worst in America. The hateful, the bigoted, the irrational, the ignorant and the outright insane have come together in a perfect alignment of the stars. I read all the posts with a morbid fascination, and in some small way I feel as though I understand America a little better now. And many of you, and you know who you are, ought to be ashamed to call yourselves Americans. I can’t wait for change, and even though I also can’t wait until your voices are silenced by the inevitable march of time, I love you all and hope your lives are better when Barack Obama is President of the United States. For many of us, we are certain that our lives will be better because we have been inspired to claim the power within us to make things better ourselves. All the other candidates say they’re going to bring about change for you, with their wealth of experience and all on their own, and you, even you, know it’s not true. I believe in myself, and I don’t blame others for my problems, and I’m going to work to make this great country a better place, to make the world a better place, and to make you, however loved, irrelevant.
On the topic of whether or not McCain has abandoned certain principles, how else do you explain his change of heart on extending the tax cuts? Tax cuts that were not only judged unwise by McCain and many others, but have proven to be bad policy. We sink toward recession, job growth and wage growth are stagnant, our cost-of-living is up, our imports are up and our exports are down, our dollar is weak, our deficits are growing, and our credit is crunched. Great policy! Let’s give it another go. McCain is done.

Posted by: Anthony. | February 13, 2008, 10:23 pm 10:23 pm

Obama is the best elect. You does not have to go to Iraq to war in order to end the war. The only thing it take is strategy. Obama is very intelligent. I know that Obama can win the electoin if Mccain is his running mate. Don’t get me wrong Mccain has sdtrategy, but Obama is the best. Iit back and I watch his campaign speeches. He know what to say. He has handled himself well when Hillary is criticizing him. Hillary is always saying negative things about Obama. They are other presidential canditates who has stones in thier presidential nominee. There is no one perfect on this earth. We need to concentrate on this country. Who can get this country out of this turmiol? Obama is the best canidate.Yes we can. Go Obama.

Posted by: Wanda | February 13, 2008, 10:24 pm 10:24 pm

Obama is the best elect. You does not have to go to Iraq to war in order to end the war. The only thing it take is strategy. Obama is very intelligent. I know that Obama can win the electoin if Mccain is his running mate. Don’t get me wrong Mccain has sdtrategy, but Obama is the best. Iit back and I watch his campaign speeches. He know what to say. He has handled himself well when Hillary is criticizing him. Hillary is always saying negative things about Obama. They are other presidential canditates who has stones in thier presidential nominee. There is no one perfect on this earth. We need to concentrate on this country. Who can get this country out of this turmiol? Obama is the best canidate.Yes we can. Go Obama.

Posted by: Wanda | February 13, 2008, 10:24 pm 10:24 pm

If Obama is the nominee, I cannot wait for him to bring us all together. Judging by the majority of these blogs, however, he has an insurmountable lot of work to do. If McCain wins, we can all go back to being indifferent. If Hillary wins, we can expect a REAL CHANGE for the things that matter most.
Geo

Posted by: georgia | February 13, 2008, 10:51 pm 10:51 pm

Excuse me, but JFK asked what YOU could do for America. Obama ask’s what you want out of America, and I’ll give it to you.
Classic Democrat, just a fresh ace.

Posted by: Denny | February 13, 2008, 11:02 pm 11:02 pm

SJ – Can’t agree with you more. Well, as shallow as it is, people do like to buy into words from an orator such is the case for Obama. But anyway, this whole election thing is starting to look so “orchestrated” – so old and so sickening esp. the media’s role in downplaying Hillary’s image and boosting Obama’s since Day 1. Whatever Hillary does, it’s not good enough or an act of “desperation.” There is no neutrality in the news for people to make up their own minds anymore. Media’s duty is no longer to inform and entertain but to DICTATE. It’s a sad pathetic world in which I am ashamed to be a part of. But kudos to Hillary still – it’s a tough fight, especially when it seems like the whole world is against you, but it is a good fight to the end nonetheless. Don’t give up Hillary! You are still the best and I do hope and pray (with all of my heart) that you clinch yourself the much-deserved seat in this election! The one you have been tirelessly fighting for. Don’t you care what others have to say, Hillary All The Way!

Posted by: Oodle | February 13, 2008, 11:21 pm 11:21 pm

If Hillary is going to run the White House the way she is running her campaign… well, I am happy then she has already failled to be there on day one.
I am impressed by Obama’s performance, endurance and ability to manage his campaign. He is already well beyond the most wild expectations for this time of the campaign. He delivers more than expected. And what impress me more is that he over-achieves goals with in such a gracefull ways that makes one feel so safe!!!
I have been paying atention to what he has to offer in terms of specifics and let me tell you he has specifics, substance, real stuff.
He looks like eager to go ahead! He will!!! He is now not looking back to Hillary, he is now concentrating in McCain, and I feel so good he is so on top and ahead of things.
I can’t wait to see him in the Oval office. He will be there, you bet.

Posted by: J. Perez Acosta | February 13, 2008, 11:42 pm 11:42 pm

Odle: you say: Whatever Hillary does, it’s not good enough or an act of “desperation.” Sorry to disagree, what Hillary has done during the last week is just unimaginable a month ago. She has just lost everything by margins that are hard to believe. I didnot expect any candidate to win all, but look at the excitement she showed when beating Obama by a margin of 2 points in New Hampshire. I think it should have been quite different if she loses District of Columbia by, say, 9 points. But what are we going to say or think to help her when she loses by 51 points!! And then everything else this week she has lost by 21, 29, 31, 37 points. Sorry, numbers don’t lie. On the one hand I am surprised by her inability to run a campaign, on the other hand I feel safe she is basically out, I don’t one such a manager in the Oval office.
But all her shortcomings only help us to underline the impressive qualities of Obama.
Let’s face it: WE have already a great candidate to battle McCain.
He will win. Come on Hillary supporters, get used.
I am happy to see Hillary supporters already warming up in their blog (hillary website) with the “yes we can”, they are getting ready and soon they will be in the “O BA MA!! O BA MA!!” and they are all welcome!
But above all, see the substance in Obama, there is stuff, leadership.
I am not a Hillary hater, only don’t want to get stuck with her now, I need to look ahead. I am happy we have found our candidate.
Get used guys: Barack Obama, 44th. President of the USA.

Posted by: J. Perez Acosta | February 13, 2008, 11:55 pm 11:55 pm

He cannot defeat McCain and? Huckabee.
The guys are not going to vote for Obama they will go to McCain.
Obama is too inexperienced. He slid into his senate seat. He works the crowd into a frenzy, learned well from Oprah. He has speech writers.
His past is not any more clean then the rest. 8 more years and he could do it.
Clinton-Edwards yes, they can and than we can.

Posted by: Janetberns | February 14, 2008, 12:08 am 12:08 am

J. Perez Acosta – You go your way, i go mine. You want Obama, go get him. Hillary is still ours and we are behind her all the way. Live with it, get use to it. I have made up my mind and i am certain, that no matter what the outcome is – Obama will never be my president. Never.

Posted by: Oodle | February 14, 2008, 12:14 am 12:14 am

i’m more and more convinced obama will CREAM mccain… mccain is just bush-lite… if people think obama got where he is without thinking about his policies, you are sadly mistaken…. if you go to his website and read his policies, they are very very clear… he doesn’t speak much about the details now because his general vision is enough… obviously!… since he is doing so well in the primaries… but i can’t WAIT to see him and mccain in a debate… he will CREAM mccain… if all mccain has is his love of the iraq war, and military experience, he is DOOMED… people are SO SICK of fear mongering and destroying our country (not to mention the planet) for the sake of securing oil in the mid-east… humanity needs to evolve… not physically, but mentally and emotionally, if we are to survive on this planet… somehow i think at least subconsiously people are sooo ready for a change… the united states can be the leader for the world and stop being bullys… mccain is a bully from the old school mentality… obama can lead us forward

Posted by: earthisnotflat | February 14, 2008, 12:23 am 12:23 am

Obama is right, finish this war because it is unjust and has led to the death of many good and innocent people. There was no WMD, and Saddam had nothing to do with 911 according to our own intelligence. Time to use our own intelligence. Let us stop making money for the special interests and arms merchants and put the money where it is needed, the economy stupid.

Posted by: fred kelley | February 14, 2008, 12:30 am 12:30 am

Obama doesn’t have one good idea in his silly little head. No experience. No ideas. Hardly any record for the job he does have. Doesn’t he want to give drivers licenses to illegals…when as a U.S. citizen I’m challenged to come up with all 10 forms of id for the dmv. What other nonsense will he come up with? Its like the mentally vacant sophmore running for class president. We need more yoo hoo in the cafeteria…thats my plan. Four years of Obama will be like being stuck in a crappy episode of Oprah.

Posted by: lucy | February 14, 2008, 12:43 am 12:43 am

GC:
You write that “The [Fair Pay Act] bill is designed to provide equal pay and prohibit discrimination for similar but not dissimilar work based on race, sex, or national origin.”
If only the text of the proposed bill were as friendly to free enterprise:
“The term `equivalent jobs’ means jobs that may be dissimilar, but whose requirements are equivalent, when viewed as a composite of skills, effort, responsibility, and working conditions.’
Is the bill scary now?
Pay discrimination for the SAME job is and should remain illegal, of course. I will cede to Sen. Clinton her full compensation package, a particular bargain as we will get two for the price of one.

Posted by: weffiewonj | February 14, 2008, 12:53 am 12:53 am

Poster said, “Obama chances of beating McCain is a fairytale and anyone with brains will agree.”
I’ve met lots of ex-husbands who felt that people who disagreed with them lacked brains.

Posted by: Dave | February 14, 2008, 1:14 am 1:14 am

I think the media is bending over backwards to be PC, being too cautious to criticize Obama at the expense of Hillary. If any other candidate makes a stump speech without any substance, the pundits will be all over them. But with Obama, they are tip toeing on egg shells. God forbid someone calls them racists..

Posted by: SoOverObama | February 14, 2008, 1:45 am 1:45 am

I agree with Kelley, Huge Chunks of taxpayers money was used in the execution and pursuit of personal interests,thanks to the two Bushes we’ve had. How about putting this money to good use as far as our health,social security and economy is concerned. You talk of experience but I tell you that War veterans would never think of anything but WAR. Obama sounds inexperienced but why not give him a chance. He is what we need,One who thinks of OUR OWN Interests and Welfare and not on Outside. Cheers

Posted by: Philbert | February 14, 2008, 1:54 am 1:54 am

McCain used to be worthy of respect. But now that he’s turned into Bush Part Two and compromised all of his principles just to get the nomination…he’s just another bought-and-paid for Republican. Too bad. Nobody in America wants – or can afford – seven more years of this.

Posted by: wilder5121 | February 14, 2008, 3:19 am 3:19 am

If you think it’s bad for McCain now, wait till Obama or Hillary unleash the 30-second ads of him flip-flopping on hundreds of issues. It won’t be pretty and McCain’s advisers know it- that’s why they’re leaving. Why stick around to be in the wreck?
I am surprised ABCnews.com tolerates this level of racism and sexism from posters. It’s not as much as Dumb Imus or Michael totally Savege, but still. IF you don’t like a candidate, you can express it without resorting to racist or sexist remarks.

Posted by: AgentX | February 14, 2008, 4:15 am 4:15 am

mccain would be a terrible choice for America and our soldiers and homeowners…..he doesn’t understand the economy and he clearly can’t comprehend what it will take to defeat terrorism…..at least senator obama is on the right track, but ONLY SENATOR CLINTON has the qualifications to make her beneficial plans and policies and strategies a reality and impact and affect those who need her guidance and assistance both as President and as Commander-in-Chief AS SOON AS POSSIBLE……if we did not have such an anti-American as a president for the last 7 years, it would be more of a toss-up between her and senator obama…..but things as they are, AMERICA NEEDS SENATOR CLINTON’S LEADERSHIP AND THE SOONER, THE BETTER!

Posted by: chris | February 14, 2008, 4:35 am 4:35 am

Obama is for the War having voted to continue spending and leaving the troops in Iraq. In fact he wants to expand the war by attacking Pakistan, and if need be Iran. He stands in the way to impeachment having Conyers and Scott stand-down in order racialize the bid to the Whitehouse. Obama says he is against Impeachment which tells it all, in concern to his unconcern for innocent people killed by Bush and Cheney. At least Hillary can admitt she was duped into the lie of the war, and is now progressively trying to end it. Obama victories are no victories. Same ole dog doo.

Posted by: Jermano | February 14, 2008, 4:37 am 4:37 am

It’s very annoying to hear people talk about Obama’s inexperience. Ah…have any of the other two ever been president? Isn’t this the reason they are running for the first time for president. This argument is stupid. I hope McCain doesn’t become president, this is coming from a conservative and prior military. I’d rather have Obama.

Posted by: Hector Art | February 14, 2008, 4:46 am 4:46 am

It is time for McCain and Hillary to both do a better job of revealing Obama’s platform to the American people. Obama has done an amazing job of focusing the voters on the rhetoric of change and a vision of a “united” government that brings together people of all parties. The fact of the matter is that Obama’s policies are more liberal and divisive than those of any Presidential candidate in more than 30 years. His policies on trade, taxation, Social Security, health care, entitlement programs and many social issues are completely at odds with the views of all but the most liberal element of the Democratic party. Combined with his complete lack of any relevant experience from a foreign policy perspective, he is an unelectable candidate once the nation gets past the charisma and focuses on the issues.

Posted by: Tom Billings | February 14, 2008, 5:09 am 5:09 am

US DEM. NEED TO PULL TOGETHER AND NOT LET THE REP. WIN WE CANT TAKE ANOTHER FOUR YEARS OF A REP. PRESADENT, MY HOPE IS THAT SEN. CLINTON AND SEN. OBAMA, WILL BE ON THE SAME TICKET, FOR PRESADENT AND VICE PRESADENT, I VOTED FOR SEN. CLINTON, BUT I WILL VOTE FOR EATHER ONE OF THEM THAT WINS THE NOM. LET US DEM. PULL TOGETHER AND WIN.

Posted by: ALVIN | February 14, 2008, 5:30 am 5:30 am

JUST 3 AMONG MANY OF OBAMA SO CALLED ECO PLAN THAT HE STOLE FROM SENATOR CLINTON. SHE CAME UP WITH THESE IDEAS IN 2007:
His “new” proposal for a national infrastructure bank is one that Hillary proposed.
Hillary speaking on August 8, 2007 ”I’m proud to co-sponsor Senator Dodd and Senator Hagel’s National Infrastructure Bank Act that we just introduced to establish a federally-backed independent bank that will evaluate and finance large infrastructure projects by subsidies, loan guarantees, and bonds backed by the full faith and credit of the United States.” Rebuilding America speech.
His “new” proposal to create 5 million green collar jobs was proposed by Hillary.
Hillary said November 5, 2007 [”And three, to move us from a carbon-based economy to an efficient, green economy by unleashing a wave of private-sector innovation in clean energy and energy efficiency. I believe that will create at least five million good new jobs from clean energy over the next decade.” Energy and Climate speech.
Google CEO Eric Schmidt praises Hillary’s plan to create 5 million Green Collar jobs.
Hillary speaking on 11/5/07 “By emphasizing the connection between promoting a green efficient economy and job creation, Senator Clinton’s plan seeks to harness the power of technology and innovation to address one of our most pressing global challenges…The goal of producing 5 million new jobs can be achieved by private sector investment and bipartisan support for increased research and development in efficiency and clean energy.”
And I personally was at two speeches in late 2007 when Senator Clinton spoke of these issues. Now Obama has stolen them. Look at the date when Senator Clinton first spoke of her ideas. And yesterday Obama is saying these are his orginal ideas. Does Obama think everyone is as stuipd as he thinks they are?
How many people out there have had ideas that someone like a co worker has stolen from them? And then that person called it their own. How dare he take Senator Clintons ideas in front of everyones face and call them his own. I pray to God the butt kissing media wakes up. A few are starting to. Obama makes me sick to my stomach.

Posted by: C DEPP | February 14, 2008, 5:48 am 5:48 am

Tom Billings
Senator Clinton has been. I have been to five of her speeches. Two speeches late last year and three this year. At everyone she speaks to Obamas lack of experience on the issues and the fact he has no plans to move our country forward. And she went in detail about the great issues facing our time and the fact that Obama falls short. One of the biggest issues is bringing our troops home from Iraq. Military officers have said Senator Clinton has the best plan to bring our troops home safely and fastest. As they put it she has the most well thought out plan to end the troop presence in Iraq.
Senator Clinton puts allot of thought into her plans and meets with all the people involved to work out the best plan for the American people. She will be a great president.

Posted by: C DEPP | February 14, 2008, 6:02 am 6:02 am

A television analyst stated this weekend that Obama has proposed $800 Billion in new spending during his campaign. Economics is not my strong suit either but if you divide that into a federal budget of $3.1 Trillion dollars, that equals a 25% increase. Tell us where the money is coming from to pay for these promises made to get elected.

Posted by: jim 234 | February 14, 2008, 6:26 am 6:26 am

JOHN McCAIN HAS CLEARLY CHANGED HIS MIND ON THE ISSUE OF TAX CUTS FOR THE MOST RICH. HE HAS CLEARLY SUPPORTED THE WAR IN IRAQ AND STILL WANTS US TO REMAIN THERE FOUR A 100, 200 OR 2500 YEARS. AT 10BILLION DOLLARS A MONTH GOING TO IRAQ WAR, IF McCAIN WERE TO BECOME PRESIDENT, U.S.A WOULD SURELY BECOME THE POOREST COUNTRY IN THE WOULD IN THE FUTURE. McCAIN IS CAMPAIGNING WITH A SONG, ”BOMB BOMB BOMB, BOMB IRAN”. ARE WE ALL READY TO ENTER INTO WARS THAT WILL BE INHERITED BY OUR GREAT, GREAT, GREAT, GREAT, GREAT, GREAT, GREAT, GREAT X 10 PARENTS. IF WE ELECT McCAIN, EVEN JESUS WILL HAVE TO FIGHT IN THE McCAIN WAR ON IRAQ. AND DONT FORGET THE WAR WAS BASED ON LIES.

Posted by: ISAAC | February 14, 2008, 6:40 am 6:40 am

THINK ABOUT IT. MCCAIN IS BAD AT ECONOMICS AS BY HIS OWN WORDS. HE SUPPORTS THE BUSH POLICY OF ‘LEAVE NO BILLIONAIRE BEHIND OR THE CLUB OF HAVES AND HAVE MORES’. HE IS BAD ON FOREGIN POLICY. THE REPUBLICAN HAVE LOST THIS ONE ALREADY. FOR SOME ONE TO SUPPORT BUSH POLICIES IN AN ELECTION IS TOTALLY INSANE. BUSH IS MCCAIN’S ROLE MODEL. I THOUGHT BUSH WAS STUPID, BUT MCCAIN GOES TO PROVE SOMEONE IS WORSE THAN BUSH.

Posted by: ISAAC | February 14, 2008, 6:54 am 6:54 am

I have a very simple question. Why do we, the taxpayers, have to continue paying the salaries of each of these candidates as they campaign? There should be a law that the salary is pro-rated to the days they are actually doing our business. Ah, but who would support such a law?

Posted by: jjsmith | February 14, 2008, 7:05 am 7:05 am

The man (Obama)just doesn’t get it! We want to hear what HIS policies are not just negatives about his opponents. GO Hillary. I live in Ohio and the buzz about her is stronger than before the election started.

Posted by: Jeff | February 14, 2008, 7:13 am 7:13 am

I THINK THEY SOULDNT GET PAYED UNLESS THE WORKING ,THE SAME GOES FOR ALLTHE PEOPLE THEY HAVE JUST HANGING AROUND. DO YOU THINK THEY WOULD PASS A LAW,HAHAHAHA

Posted by: johnlyons | February 14, 2008, 7:14 am 7:14 am

Oh please, Obama probably can’t even balance his own checkbook. No, we dont want more of the same, but we dont want worse either, which is what Obama will give us. He is a disaster waiting to happen and the democratic electrate has bought his con hook line and sinker. I am a democrat who is ashamed of my party at this moment.

Posted by: AJ | February 14, 2008, 7:17 am 7:17 am

Hillary did make a mistake and she is very sorry for voting for the war. More than anyone will ever know. But she knows the way every single DEM should know here, if she says that word “mistake” the republicans will beat her over the head with it. They would run commerical after commerical after commerical on it. And the republicans will swiftboat her. And they will call Hillary a flip flopper. Right now they have nothing to run on. She knows Bush lied to everyone including congress, but she also made a mistake.
I have seen Hillary speak in person 5 times. When she speaks of our brave soliders you can see she knows she made a mistake and she is sorry. That is why she is going to correct it the moment she enters the WH. And bring our troops home safely.
I know DEMS have forgiving hearts. Think about who lied to all of us. Bush. And his people. Faking evidence, saying that nuclear bombs could be headed our way and talking over and over again about mushroom clouds.
Bush and his people lied to all of us and they should be impeached for it. Call your members of congress and lets impeach Bush and Cheney. They will not do it without our voices being heard.

Posted by: C DEPP | February 14, 2008, 7:23 am 7:23 am

The buzz in Texas is also strong for Hillary. It seems that the press is just ignoring it so they can get their “man” elected.

Posted by: jas | February 14, 2008, 7:26 am 7:26 am

Did you see Obama’s “speech” in Janesvile, WI? He said he was going to talk about “policy”. Even he had to take a deep breath and looked somewhat confused doing it. I think the people are starting to see through him.

Posted by: John | February 14, 2008, 7:29 am 7:29 am

This may seem small but as a single mother trying to raise my kids with “values” I am a little upset by this. My kids found out that Obama smokes and they are now thinking it is kind of “cool”. What kind of father would smoke in front of his two small girls? Says something about his values!

Posted by: Linda | February 14, 2008, 7:33 am 7:33 am

I wonder who is chosing these headlines? OBAMA DISSES MCCAIN. Must all of the news organizations reduce everything to the lowest common denominiator? I guess that’s for the visitors who came to read about the latest escapades of their favorite dysfunctional celebrities or steroids in baseball. This is not a horse race, it is about the survival of our country!

Posted by: Allan J Krueger | February 14, 2008, 7:36 am 7:36 am

Hells, bells, we have this now – CANCEL THE ELECTION!
“…it will be a sad day if Americans elect a President who has no record of accomplishment…”

Posted by: Allan J Krueger | February 14, 2008, 7:40 am 7:40 am

My Son is Active Duty Military, McCain or Hillary wont bring our Sons and Daughters Home from Iraq!And if they are doing alot of Traveling around together, I wouldnt trust either one of them!

Posted by: Mom First | February 14, 2008, 7:45 am 7:45 am

Obama is simply an inexperienced member of congress. He is hardly the kind of person we want as president. Further, he portrays himself as a centrist democat when in reality he is an extreme liberal. Change we can Believe In is a nonsensical statement when we consider we nothing about the changes he proposes. he is a lot of rhetoric and hot air and yet many democrats seem to be happy with him.

Posted by: Brent Vermillion | February 14, 2008, 7:50 am 7:50 am

I got more Experience then Hillary in my left pinky!

Posted by: Mom First | February 14, 2008, 7:57 am 7:57 am

Marine4Ever: Read your history book before posting! First, women voted in the 1960 election. I know, because both my grandmother and my mother voted. Second, JFK avoided nuclear war during the Cuban Missle Crisis in 1962. Had he not done so, you and I might not be alive today. Third, Teddy and Edward Kennedy are the SAME person. No one has ever accused Robert Kennedy of being a drunk. And speaking of drinking, check the history of our current office holder.

Posted by: savethemiddleclass | February 14, 2008, 7:58 am 7:58 am

Interesting that someone else brought up his smoking – I thought it was just my family. We have tried to teach our kids that smoking is not cool but this has been difficult considering that many of the young people in Hollywood do it. Now the kids found out that HE smokes! It has set us back a few years and it feels like we’re back to square one.

Posted by: Jackie | February 14, 2008, 8:02 am 8:02 am

We desperately need Obama! Hillary is crooked as a snake; she’s now trying to get the Democratic Party to count the delegates from Michigan and Florida. The message that gets across here is that Hillary will do ANYTHING to win. No thanks! She’s too corrupt for my taste! I’m a loyal Democrat, but I will NOT vote for her. I’ll stay home and not waste my time. GO OBAMA! Please, please WIN!!!!

Posted by: Janet | February 14, 2008, 8:03 am 8:03 am

The comparison of Obama’s policies and the policies that got Detroit into its current mess are striking. If you have every been to Detroit you would know the utter horror of the thought. People need to look at the SPECIFICS of what he is proposing. Enough of the silly rah rah rallies – this is serious business.

Posted by: jim | February 14, 2008, 8:09 am 8:09 am

There are clear differences between Sen. Obama and Sen. McCain relative to Iraq, economics, abortion, immigration, etc. that should lead one to vote for McCain or Obama.
In my opinion, though, I can’t bring myself to vote for the candidate who is so emotionally insecure that he has to hide his receding hairline with a COMB-OVER haircut.

Posted by: G | February 14, 2008, 8:10 am 8:10 am

Go Obama! A man we can trust to lead us in the wrong direction!

Posted by: jeff | February 14, 2008, 8:15 am 8:15 am

It’s really amazing to watch Obama, who isn’t even qualified to be POTUS, make his case.
But Obama will get away with it because he’s backed by the most corrupt institution in America today, our mostly liberal MSM wolfpack press.
Where am I wrong? All hype and no substance.

Posted by: Allen Ridge | February 14, 2008, 8:31 am 8:31 am

If McCain becomes the Republican party nominee and he has to face Obama, then the Republican party will lose. The only candidate who can face Obama and win is Mike Huckabee. Huckabee’s message of change and hope can easily squelch Obama.
Huckabee is the only way we will get the whitehouse!

Posted by: Jenny Owen | February 14, 2008, 8:32 am 8:32 am

Americans see John McCain as nothing more than the long-arm of George Bush. McCain will never bring to Rep. Party to victory. I agree with Jenny Owen, Huckabee is the only path to victory…..

Posted by: Dave | February 14, 2008, 8:34 am 8:34 am

How can Obama manage this country’s economy when he can’t manage his own finances. He gets in bed with the devil (Rezko) to buy something that he can’t afford(the land next to his house). What does that say about character and ethics? I would like a million dollar house and big yard too but I am not going to do do something unethical to get it. He is an arrogant and materialistic, “suit”.

Posted by: Drew | February 14, 2008, 8:40 am 8:40 am

There is no denying that 4 candidates left in the race have something to offer the American people. The question is do we need what they have to offer?
There is a lot of talk about empty speeches and no experience.Whoever is president would need an array of advisers to come to the best decisions for ALL american people.There are so many people left out of the “have” category and need to be allowed in the mix.ALL Americans should have the benefit of tax breaks.Question….where is all that money that is being spent on the war … that was originally about “Weapons of Mass Destruction” where is that money coming from.Some Americans are aware of what is really going on and some beleive anything that is told to them.Also public enemy number 1 Osama Bin Laden…why why why is it that we can’t, haven’t and are not activley seeking bringing him to justice when we were able to get Sadaam.Excuses excuses lies lies and more lies. Wake Up! Some Americans are just so stupid. Why do we need an economic stimulus package when the all knowing all powerful republicans have been in control? Who, what, when , were and how was this problem caused?

Posted by: TV | February 14, 2008, 8:48 am 8:48 am

Come on, you guys should know better! Surely you do not expect a freshmen Senator, with no military experience, who is the MOST liberal Senator in Washington will stand a chance against McCain. The republican party is hoping Obama is the nominee! I mean, lets face it, its hard to be more liberal than Kennedy or Kerry. But Obama has managed to do it. That should tell you something! Be scared, be very very scared.

Posted by: Jason Capps | February 14, 2008, 8:50 am 8:50 am

Obama 08, yes indeed a man we can trust, first to all hillary supporters, its ok to support her, thats what democracy is all about, playing dirty politics is a different thing, thats all you do when u lose, look at how she couldn’t even congratulate him for his win, it was a fair win and she knows that, rather she ran away to texas….ohh VA,MD,DC are not so impt i dont even have to thank my voters there…….totally absurd
her campaign is slowly but surely falling about and its only been what…1yr, so what will happen in first term of WH.
before making unnecessary accusations please read about this man Obama, his sincerity is so genuine pple can see it thats why they Vote for him.

Posted by: omim i | February 14, 2008, 9:21 am 9:21 am

I’m so glad to see that many people are waking up and realizing that Obama does not have the experience to run the country. And as for “Vote for Obama a mand we can trust”. Be careful Obama supporters, because as soon as he’s caught in some type of scandal those words will haunt his career forever.

Posted by: Justin | February 14, 2008, 9:38 am 9:38 am

How can Obama criticize Bush`s eco policies when he voted to give businesses more tax breaks under the guise of an eco stim plan that leaves out the poorest members of our country? Why didn`t Obama do his job as a Sen and fight for the poor elderly living on Soc Sec and food stamps? This guy is just another all-talk politician.

Posted by: luke | February 14, 2008, 9:49 am 9:49 am

Ronald
Allot of members of congress have done this. He is nothing special. How old are you? You seem pretty excited about nothing. Everyone does it. The people in charge over there would never allow any of these people out of the green zone if they didn’t think it was relatively safe for them to do so on that day.
Remember when those 2 congressmen went over there last year outside the green zone and bought rugs really cheap. They got in front of the cameras and bragged about how that market was like a midwest market in the U S. And Leno and Letterman made their audiences laugh so hard. And Hillary has been over there more than him. I don’t see you falling off your chair for her.

Posted by: C DEPP | February 14, 2008, 9:51 am 9:51 am

omim i
Obama is running on his cousins 2000 platform. Bush.
CHANGE
I AM A WASHINGTON OUTSIDER
I WILL HAVE A HUMBLE FOREIGN POLICY
I WORKED ACROSS PARTY LINES
That is Bushes platform from 2000 why did Obama steal it for 2008? Go look it up for yourself. I would sit down first. And Obama is also cousins with Cheney. What a great blood line.

Posted by: C DEPP | February 14, 2008, 9:57 am 9:57 am

Again, does it not matter to you Obama and Hillary fans that they are both socialists? Do you guys even know what socialists stand for? Do you know what their goals are? I honestly don’t think you do, for if you did you would not support them unless you are fine with COMMUNISM. They both speak of “socialized” this and that; what do you think the “S” in U.S.S.R. stands for? It stands for Socialist!(Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.) How difficult is it to see that they are BOTH Marxists? google “Marxist”, and “Workers Party”. Like I said before, your vote affects me and my family just as it affects yours.

Posted by: roland | February 14, 2008, 9:59 am 9:59 am

Hillary was upset when a News guy made a few comments about her 27 year old Grown daughter! My Son is Active Duty Military he has more to worry about then words! Hillary never even talked about bringing the soldiers home from Iraq till she decided to run for Office! McCain/Hillary=War Mongers!

Posted by: Mom First | February 14, 2008, 10:08 am 10:08 am

If only I was cousins with Hillary. I would be so proud of that blood line.
Obama sure as he!! can’t say that.
You mean the tax returns that Obama hasn’t shown to the media. There are two different sets. The one he is not releasing has Michelle Obamas time working with Walmart on it and his crook friend of 17 years buying his land outright and part of his mansion his lives in. And the fishy investments reporters are starting to look into. The dirt just keeps piling up on Mr. Clean.
Be careful where you throw those stones they come back on you real quick.
And what does the law have to do with being cousins with Cheney? And Obama is also cousins with Bush. ( Look it up)
And why do you think it matters? Obama has the same platform as Bush, he lies like Bush, he hangs around with crooks just like Bush and on and on and on.
Obama was not even in the senate to cast a vote on Iraq. When asked if he would have voted for the war he said he didn’t know. He didn’t know. And ever since he has been in the senate he has voted to fund the war over and over and over again. Liar.
Give me a break! A vote for Obama is a vote for Bush and Cheney. They all come from the same lying tree.

Posted by: C DEPP | February 14, 2008, 10:21 am 10:21 am

Obama: Mr. SOS – The 21st century version of the Snake Oil Salesman. Style Over Substance or how about Symbolism Over Stances – This guy is a phoney. Can’t wait for McCain to bring up a real issue or two and the public sees thru his highly polished veneer. The DEMS will regret throwing Hitlary out.

Posted by: Dean O | February 14, 2008, 10:30 am 10:30 am

MOM FIRST,
Hillary has been talking about bringing home the troops before her run for office. C-Span is a great thing. To few people watch it. I have seen her on the senate floor before her run for office and she was saying the troops need to come home now.
Read my other posts here about her vote and how she really feels about it.
And also read my posts where Obama is with the war.
Tell your son thank you for his service from my family. My grandfather was in the army, my father and husband were in the air force. All of our service men and women are in our prayers every night.

Posted by: C DEPP | February 14, 2008, 10:30 am 10:30 am

“Obama says he is taking McCain’s verbal attacks as a precursor of the general election.
“I thought it was flattering – it’s clear he knows who his opponent is going to be,” Obama said.”
Senator Obama should be careful with his quotes – wait till the 2,025 is achieved.

Posted by: GJ | February 14, 2008, 10:44 am 10:44 am

Why is it that just about every Obama and Hillary supporter refuses to look into the FACTS about their SOCIALIST agenda? I just need one of you guys/girls to answer that for me. Now, to be fair, I have conversed with other staunch Democrats about this very issue and after some research they do realize the validity of my arguement. Ofcourse, they are no longer voting Hillary or Obama. Yes, I know, it’s a “nasty in the gut” feeling when you find out that a personal Hero is not what he/she seems.
I will try to help you understand how you’ve been duped:
Google this: “The Price of Free Corn”
There will be more than TWO People on the Ballot in November, there is plenty of time til then to research Obama, Hillary, McCain, Huckabee, and Ron Paul. You should take a step back and review how they voted and what they say. If you do not understand exactly what they are saying, GOOGLE IT! You need to put forth the effort to find the truth.

Posted by: roland | February 14, 2008, 10:46 am 10:46 am

Luke, its true am very exicited about OBAMA the man, but not in your context.
I was only helping a certain LEE KING earlier on the blog who posed a question’HOW CAN OBAMA SAFELY LEAD US FROM IRAQ WHEN HE’S NEVER BEEN THERE?’
I realised that many people are just not informed at all- that why I had to give all those news links.
If people are not informed the way he/she is, then wrong choices are going to be made in the election!- Ive don my part.
LETS FACE IT; THE WH NEEDS CHANGE- OBAMA IS INTELIGENT AND STUDIED THE FOUNDING DOCUMENT OF THE GREATEST NATION ON EARTH AT THE BESTEST UNIVERSITY ONE CAN LEARN ABOUT SUCH A DOUMENT.
OBAMA IS A UNITER APPEALING TO ALL AMERICAN BRANDS! HES, YOUNG WITH AN EQUALY EDUCATED WIFE AND A STRONG TEAM OF ADVISERS.
HE HAS CHANGED THE WAY POLITCS IS RUN WHICH IS A POLITICS OF RESPECT & UNITY OVER A POLITICS OF FEAR,RACIAL POLITICS ETC,
INDIVIUALS JUST KEEP FUNDING HIM AND THAT SHOULD SHOW WHY THEY BELIEVE IN HIM
8 STRAIGHT WINS IN 60,70%- SURE! AND BY THE WAY NO SINGLE WORD OF CONGS FROM HIL!
GO OBAMA AND GOD BLESS AMERICA!

Posted by: Ronald | February 14, 2008, 10:48 am 10:48 am

Ronald, you seem to be one of the more thorough of the Obama group which is great. You mention the Constitution, not by name, but that is clearly the document you are referring to. You obviously hold a great respect for that document as do I. Unfortunately, Obama does not. Some of his proposals and past proposals reflect this.
He cannot honestly proclaim his dedication to the CONSTITUTION with SSOCIALIST leanings. There is no such thing as a “Socialist Constitutionalist”
Socialism and the Constitution are mortal enemies.

Posted by: roland | February 14, 2008, 10:58 am 10:58 am

C Depp, Bottom line is Hillary talks about bringing the troops home but only started talking about it when the public opinion polls showed that’s what the majority wants. She helped send them there in the first place by voting yes on the Iraq Resolution. (and recently voted yes on the Iran Resolution! Did you know all the senators got an NIE report from our intelligence agency that disagreed with the need to invade Iraq that Bush was pushing. Did you know that Hillary has admitted never reading it before the vote? Did you know those that voted no frequently stated that the NIE report changed their minds against invading? That isn’t the kind of leader we need who acts without researching, especially when the report from our own intelligence agency is on her desk. Obama spoke publicly against the invasion before the vote, loudly and logically stating why invasion was wrong, even though it was unpopular politically at the time. That kind of intelligence in making good decisions is what we should all seek in a leader. And for all those in the comments who complain he just talks about hope, that’s because that is all the media chooses to show you. On Obama’s website under ‘issues’ he goes into great detail about his plans for the problems we are facing in our country and in the world. Compare the candidates, you’ll find Obama’s plans are detailed, intelligent and workable.

Posted by: Lydia | February 14, 2008, 11:13 am 11:13 am

Today, Sen. Obama will attack Hillary on NAFTA:
You know, in the years after her husband signed NAFTA, Senator Clinton would go around talking about how great it was and how many benefits it would bring.
Sen. Obama and his campaign have consistently fabricated quotes to support this claim. Recently he falsely claimed that Hillary said that NAFTA was a “boon” to the economy. Now, Obama is resting his argument on a single paraphrase from an article written twelve years ago.
Meanwhile, based on his positions in Illinois and the United States Senate, the National Journal concluded that Sen. Obama was “the most likely presidential candidate to support further trade liberalization.” Sen. Obama opposed an amendment that would have prevented the weakening of laws that protect against unfair trade practices. (Hillary supported the amendment.) Sen. Obama also supports fast track authority.
Sen. Obama also misrepresents Hillary’s position on trade moving forward:
Now that she’s running for President, she says we need a time-out on trade. No one knows when this time-out will end. Maybe after the election.
Hillary has called for a timeout on trade agreements in the first several months of her presidency to provide an opportunity to systematically review every trade agreement to ensure that it is delivering benefits to American workers.” The time-out will begin when she becomes president. This is consistent with legislation she introduced in the Senate that would require study of the impact of trade agreements. She has also pledged to double the enforcement staff at the office of the United States Trade Representative and expand the Trade Adjustment Assistance program so that workers negatively affected by the global economy get the help they need.

Posted by: snakebaby | February 14, 2008, 11:40 am 11:40 am

Just another example of Obama getting to criticize the opposition while he cannot be questioned because he is the media darling. Have his supporters realized that he wants to give drivers licenses to illegal immigrants so they can get to their jobs in this country where they shouldn’t be in the first place ? Of course, they will arrest the employers.

Posted by: KC | February 14, 2008, 12:26 pm 12:26 pm

You people shouldn’t be arguing about who’s plan is better. Politically these 2 candidates are very similar. Either would be 1000% better than what we have now. The question is, Who would do better against McCain? I feel that Hillary’s negativity would be a disadvantage against the republicans. Obama 2008 !!!

Posted by: Mike | February 14, 2008, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm

Gotta love the guys claiming Obama has said nothing. He outlines very clear and interesting plans for our country’s future in his speeches. You can’t just not listen to his speeches and claim he doesn’t stand for anything. Paid tuition for community service anyone? Merit pay for teachers? Network neutrality? Undoing Bush’s tax cuts to the wealthy during a time of war? Biofuels act? Getting out of Iraq in less than 100 years (McCain’s plan)?
Too much to fit in this comment, go here if you really want to know his positions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Barack_Obama
McCain is actually the guy who doesn’t say anything. I listened to him talk and all he talks about is terror / 911 / terrorism / our enemies in the middle east etc etc.
He has absolutely no plan for our home front. Terrorism / 911 / terrorism. Poor people in America can’t eat terrorism. What are you going to do to bring our jobs back? We can’t all work for Haliburton.
How about looking at America for once? How can you run America when ALL of your ideas are for a third world country in the middle east?
Obama is charismatic yes, but he also has ideas that do more for OUR country than terror / 911 / terrorism / imaginary WMDs.

Posted by: Phil | February 14, 2008, 12:43 pm 12:43 pm

Republicans should run for president of Iraq, because they do not have any plans for the USA.

Posted by: Phil | February 14, 2008, 12:47 pm 12:47 pm

Wow. I don’t even know what to say. I mean, here you have got people that are fine with Socialism as a whole but, when it comes down to the technicalities they are upset. The Democrat PUBLIC is correct in not wanting McCain and his trigger happy finger in office. What the Democratic PUBLIC does not see is that the agendas of the Democratic POLITICIANS are not the same as theirs. You have been duped my fellow citizens, you ate too much free corn and were convinced the hand that fed you is caring and forever there. What you people do not see is the other hand hovering above you waiting to spring the trap.

Posted by: roland | February 14, 2008, 12:55 pm 12:55 pm

By the way, how much of the arguement do you think you are actually hearing? If you decide you are a democrat or republican and refuse to even look in the other direction aren’t you doing yourself an injustice? If you close one ear and focus on the discussion on the left, then further narrow your focus depending on what’s said, the point can be made that you are only “hearing” 25% (at the most) of the discussion. how easy it to trick people only 25% of the time. think about it.

Posted by: roland | February 14, 2008, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm

Intelligent Obama supporters, put your wine glasses down for 10 minutes and try to care about the people around you for once in your self-centered lives… If Obama is elected he will unite us all? Wet dreams, folks!
If race has nothing to do with this election, then why does it still matter so much? You do realize that electing a Harvard graduate who did outreach (just like 85% of other college graduates) does not abolish the fact that racism still exists and will continue because none of the legistature passed in the history of this counrty could ever abolish an institution that the masses carries on within them and breeds each day. So, you can stop hiding behind the Black man who you think will “Unite” us.
-From a Black person who knows better…

Posted by: Nat | February 14, 2008, 1:27 pm 1:27 pm

By the way, his message is quite schizophrenic. A true grassroots leader, like MLK, didn’t waste time asking people to make him CEO of America before he actually began MAKING CHANGE in the lives of ALL AMERICANS and those to come. … Obama is not worthy to be mentioned in the same sentence as such a man. YOUR VOTE DOES NOT MAKE YOU AN AGENT FOR CHANGE- getting off your sorry arses and doing something is what Obama’s campaign preaches, but tells you to make sure that you VOTE for him because he can make all these CHANGES– HA! Two words and a number- Presidential Election 2000…..

Posted by: Nat | February 14, 2008, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm

It will be McCain’s mcarb privilege to preside over the immolation of the Republican party. There is a morbid poetic justice in it: that McCain, hardly a straight talker, incompetent in the most substantial qquestion of national security, an open boarder in time of war, nevertheless places his imprint on the tragic and vainglorious plunders of President Bush who in two terms of office demonstrated his contempt for economic conservatism, constitutional government and an insatiate taste for foreign adventure which has wrecked havoc on tAmerica’s, economy, security and harmony. His legacy: a pointless, ill considered and self-destructive war, the instigations of spending programs for which this country will never find the means to pay, the loss of House and Senate and in November, loss of the presidency to one or the other of two socialists for whom he has paved the way this in the creation of a government large, hungrier and more totalitarian than the government this professes conservative found when first he took his oath of office to protect and defend the Constitution.
An so what does McCain hold out to us as his greatest virtue? Certainly not that he was a prisoner of war nearly half century ago, which however tragic qualifies him for nothing, not his conservative principles certainly, if we look to the truth of his record as distinct from crooked talk; no his greatest virtue he explains is the alternative. If not me who then will you choose? He invites us ot hold our nose; and so many of us shall, as we vote for a Republican of crooked voice who in November will sing high requiem to his party and to Conservatives.

Posted by: Robert Harkins | February 14, 2008, 1:56 pm 1:56 pm

Chris Matthews put it perfectly about Obama:
“I have to tell you, you know, it’s part of reporting this case, this election, the feeling most people get when they hear Barack Obama’s speech. My, I felt this thrill going up my leg. I mean, I don’t have that too often. No, seriously. It’s a dramatic event. He speaks about America in a way that has nothing to do with politics. It has to do with the feeling we have about our country. And that is an objective assessment.”
MSNBC is making ABC looks awesome

Posted by: Trent | February 14, 2008, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm

Here’s some economic facts for Bush’s twin, “More of the same McCain”
Recent data from the IRS show that the wealthiest 1 percent of Americans are earning more than 21percent of all income — a postwar record — while the bottom 50 percent of Americans combined are earning just 12.8 percent of total income.
As one of the poorer 1 percent I think Obama economic plans are spot on – let the Bush tax-cut (rip offs of the middle class) for the rich expire PLEASE.

Posted by: BooRadley | February 14, 2008, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm

McCain claims he knows how to get Bin Laden. Why doesn’t he just tell George Bush? For seven years McCain and Bush have failed to deliver.
As for Iraq, the troops have succeeded in *their* jobs. It’s time for them to come home. Bush and McCain however have failed. It’s time to send them home too.

Posted by: Clark | February 14, 2008, 2:57 pm 2:57 pm

I’m an independent military spouse;sometimes I vote republican & sometimes Democrat.Either way I believe in voting for the best candidate & not by party lines. McCain scares me when he states US will be in Irag 100+ yrs. However I am still going to vote for him if Clinton is the dem. nominee. I will vote for Satan b4 Clinton.

Posted by: BSnow | February 14, 2008, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm

McCain is not the ONLY republican running. If the thought of having a true blue socialist in office is gonna keep you voting republican take a look at the other candidates. One of the has more support from the troops than all the others combined! One of them has NEVER voted to raise taxes. One of them CAN beat Hillary and Obama. It isn’t McCain either, the other candidate is actually the only ECONOMIST in the race. He us noe other thatn Ron Paul. don’t let others tell you otherwise, he will be there in November needing your vote. hopefully by then people will begin to realize these things we have been trying to tell you. Heck, Romney said McCain isn’t a leader and is not the man for the job, then turns around and endorses him. what sense does that make? Don’t hang yourself at the tree of your party. think for yourself and take an objective view at Ron Paul. Hillary or Obama will drop out eventually, how much “principles” will have to be changed to stay in that party?

Posted by: roland | February 14, 2008, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm

It was reported today in the Associated Press that the Republicans are talking again of Cutting the interest rate. “The outlook for the economy has worsened in recent months, and the downside risks to growth have increased,” Bernanke said. “To date, the largest economic effects of the financial turmoil appear…has deteriorated significantly over the past two years or so.” Actually Bernanke is being a bit too relunctant to give all the facts regarding the lowering the interest rates and what is really destroying America’s Economy. Let me see now, Republicans did discuss and quickly lowered the interest rate to save the last quarter figures from showing a negative on the year of 2001 regarding the economy when the 2001 report in 2002 came out. During 2001 High Tech jobs started leaving the country but we did not realize it until in 2002 when we found out ‘Why?’ it was ‘Government Financial Incentives given to Businesses to Outsource American High Tech and other jobs to foreign countries.’ More high tech and other American jobs continued to leave the country and again the Republicans discussed the lowing of the interest rate and by 2004 another drop of interest rate did occur. An Interest rate cut happened yet again in September of 2007 and then again in January 2008. Now in February 2008 the Republican Economic experts are talking Interest rate reduction again.
How long will it take the Republican Intellect to understand that ‘Giving Government Financial Incentives’ to Businesses to send American Jobs overseas to Foreign countries and foreign workers is a very big strain on the American Economy?
“A Working Economy works Only when the people in that economy are working”. That is why Obama said he will get rid of Government Financial Incentives for companies to continue sending American jobs overseas. Obama08

Posted by: Angie | February 14, 2008, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm

angie. angie.angie.
i am so glad you are passionate about this stuff. we need more people like you, passion is a very powerful thing.
google this tidbit: AFTF.
hopefully you can use some of that passion for what you will learn with this.

Posted by: roland | February 14, 2008, 4:28 pm 4:28 pm

Hey Randle
Didn’t Hillary win in California????

Posted by: Firefighter | February 14, 2008, 4:39 pm 4:39 pm

Roland:
you said: “wow, I don’t even know what to say.”
Okay; well, stop writing so much then….
take a break, dude…..

Posted by: tony | February 14, 2008, 5:19 pm 5:19 pm

i think i will tony, thanks.
i guess i still have not come across anyone who can tell me why Ron Paul isn’t the best person for the job.

Posted by: roland | February 14, 2008, 5:23 pm 5:23 pm

Stephen…There you go with that Fairy Tale Thing again…
Ideas are not ‘owned” they belong to the marketplace. When Mr. Obama gave a little credit to the ideas of Ronald Reagan, people got a little upset. Aristotle gave us the theory long ago. Ideas are the only “Real Things” So let’s not ask him to make up stuff.

Posted by: Hurley Jones | February 14, 2008, 6:12 pm 6:12 pm

When it is not an election year.When we are not in an election cycle.When we are at the beach, on vacation, spending time with our families, visiting our loved ones in the hospital, at the funeral of a loved one or celebrating the birth of a child are we concerned with political matters? Is being a republican or a democrat really on your mind when you’re in love, in trouble, greiving or just plain happy.True there are so many problems in this world.One man or woman will not fix all of them. If we all did something better with our lives we would not fix all problems.There is a lot of hatred on this website. Political, personal, etc.This is our inner most being at it’s worst.If you are happy with the Bush years…good. If not, well you had to live through it.I know everyone wants their candidate to win and that is understandable , but remember when you win supposedly someone else’s hopes and dreams will be crushed.No one likes that feeling.At the end of the day WE ARE ALL AMERICANS!!!!!! I see something useful in ALL of the candidates.They all want something for the people they claim to represent.McCain has good qualities,Huckabee has good qualities, Obama has good qualities and Hillary has something to offer even if I really don’t trust her.We need to stop tearing these people down.I wanted Bush in 2000 but in 2004 he needed to go because he did not get Bin Laden.I want Obama in ’08 because obviously he has the ability to unite alot of Americans behind his message. He will need to be advised if he gets the nomination and if he gains the presidency no doubt about it, but what president didn’t need advisors.Some Republican ideas are good. Some Democratic ideas are good.We need someone that can bring these two great ideals together as one.I beleive McCain and Obama are the best representaions of this possibilty.Unfortunately McCain wants us to maintain the same course in Iraq.We need to get Bin Laden.We need the Iraq government and the rest of the world to apply more of their interest and resources into the stabilization of Iraq.We need to restore our respectability in the world.We need a leader that can yes yes yes whether you like it or not….inspire the American people!We also need a leader that would do what is necessary to protect the American people.We need a leader that is readyand willing to serve the needs of all the people. A leader that knows he or she needs to serve the needs of the spectrum from rich to poor, spectrum of young to old, spectrum of white to black,educated to uneducated. Meet the needs of all people and not just YOU.Who seeems like that person to you? The rich should not be punished and neither should the poor.No nation should turn their back on the poor.I started out my life siding more with the republican view and then I saw the need for a democratic balance. The have nots need the haves and the haves need the haves. The poor work in the factories of rich and the rich need the poor to do the work, but there needs to be appropriate distribution of what is gained on both ends.Who can bridge this gap without causing serious problems on either side? In the end we all have to pay taxes.Where else will we get the money to pay for our defenses and everything else we need in this country? No one group of people( rich to poor) should carry the full load of the responsibilty to pay taxes.All the candidates are making speeches and promises.All of them will still have to prove it in the white house.We have taken every president on a blind faith and what we beleived they COULD do. Right now, all McCain, Obama, Hillary and Mike are doing is talking and whoever wins is the person that most people beleived. There will be lies and truth , but the ultimate truth is that no one nowhere not one of them is perfect and the one you think is so horrible is not really as bad as you think because you really don’t know the complete person. You only know what they show and it is a glimpse into what they truly are. You do not tell everyone about yourself at work and neither do theses candidates.

Posted by: Tony | February 14, 2008, 6:40 pm 6:40 pm

tony, now you need a break. take it easy, you got me worked up.
Ron Paul is speaking for his supporters you got that right. who are his supporters? well the FEC says his 3 major contributors are the Air force, the Army and Navy. he has more support from these guys than Obama, Hillary, McCain and Huckabee COMBINED.
the rest of his supporters are people like me who work 65 plus hours a week and care about my family and all the people around me. Yes, even you and your family.
I say you haven’t made a sound decision about the RIGHT person if you have not given Ron Paul an objective look.
Civil Liberties, they are more important than you may think. The troops on the ground support him because of his FOREIGN POLICY, they agree about why terrorists hate us. Google “blowback” and learn what the troops know.

Posted by: roland | February 14, 2008, 7:51 pm 7:51 pm

John Napoleon McCain said progress is being made in Iraq according to the Bush assessment yesterday I think it was.
McCain got on the airwaves and said, see! the democrats were wrong, progress is being made in Iraq we blah blah blah.
Listen to what they are saying today, a day after Napoleon made his little speech. That the Bush administration accessment was wrong, and that little progress is being made in Iraq in fact it is worse.
Is bush going to come out with phoney baloney intel the day before McCain is to make his little man speech?
Planned lies,
4 more years?
Isn’t that how they sold the war in Iraq?
Pump and Dump on America?

Posted by: PollCat | February 14, 2008, 8:17 pm 8:17 pm

Obama frightens me. He’s acting like a civil rights leader or a minister.
I am scare of this guy and his acting cocky when we don’t know a thing about him or his policies.
He doesn’t want Universal Health Care and he is involved with a crook in Chicago.
He lied about him passing a nuclear waste program.
That’s about all I know.
Stop thinking this is a rock concert.
We don’t know this guy.
Nostradomus predcicted something like this.

Posted by: Alecki | February 15, 2008, 7:13 am 7:13 am

We act like we’re voting on an American Idol star.
This is a Presidential Election.
We need someone that knows the ropes in war and the economy.
Obama is acting like a civil rights leader.
We need to know policies of both Candidates.
This is a job interview for the most important job in the World.
Can we please check his resume and ask this guy a few questions?
I would never let him run my small business without a complete background check.
Pleas America………WAKE UP

Posted by: Alecki | February 15, 2008, 7:22 am 7:22 am

I agree with some of the things Ron Paul has to say, but some things I’ve have heard him say I totally disagree with. I admire his passion and straight talk. We need more political figures that are as honest in your face as him. If I were a politician I would probably be like him on some days. I think he has had enough of the bull and it is making him speak the truth as he sees it from his heart.Unfortunaley, he will not be a front running contender in this year’s presidential race.
OK and that statement about Obama having relatives in a Muslim country was full of fear mongering and has an elitist racist undertone.

Posted by: Tony | February 15, 2008, 9:51 am 9:51 am

It’s amazing to me how gullible, maybe totally misinformed people are, about who the real “insiders” in Washigton, D.C. are. All of our polical candidates rail and take on a pseudo-battle against “special interests.” Usually without naming them… or in rare occasions, naming “big oil” or something equally hateful.
The real government, the “hidden government” that no president or elected senator or congressman can control, is the imbedded federal bureaucracies that compose the various governmental regulation departments. Departments supposedly headed up by the president’s appointed cabinet secretaries. The latter are essentially attractive figureheads who frequently ask the bureacracy heads for assistance in doing their own jobs.
The bureaucracies are controlled mostly by civil servants with tenure and all hell isn’t going to remove them from their current powerful positions.
Use the late J. Edgar Hoover as a prime example of a federal department head out of control. I mention him because he was one who craved publicity. Others usually prefer anonymity and are quite content to operate beneath the radar.
So Obama, Hillary, or McCain can spew all the campaign rhetoric they care too; male dozens of well intended campaing promises but in the end, what happens will eventually depend on how well they can deal with the imbedded old-school bureacracy; if they will lower themselves to do so.

Posted by: Jack | February 17, 2008, 12:07 am 12:07 am

Im sorry, but if you side with McCain, you side with more oppression to lower class families. Who do you think picks up the tab on all the tax cuts to wealthy corporations? Why do the rich get tax cuts and lower class citizens get budget cuts? Medicaid has been cut, welfare gets cut, job training gets cut as unemployment rises and so called “free trade” ships our jobs to other countries. So as we lose our jobs to third world, slave labor countries, John McCain wants to reward these corporations and give them more money on top of thier mountain of profits. Q: Should trade agreements include provisions to address environmental concerns and to protect workers’ rights?
This is a question John McCain was asked, his response was, no.
If you support a larger than our record curret national deficit, support John McCain. If you support keeping troops in Iraq, troops dying for an unknown cause, support John McCain. If you support cutting nursing home residents, Katrina victims and victims of domestic violence off of medicaid because they cant afford the rising prices of HMO’s, support John McCain. If you support cutting job training programs to the victims of “free trade” sending jobs to China, support John McCain. If you support giving those companies that send those jobs overseas more money on top of the billions in profits they have already made off of American people, support John McCain. If you support throwing things like overtime pay out the window, support John McCain. Really the only ones who should support John McCain, are the ones who will profit from it. I wont profit from it, and the same goes for millions of other hard working American families. Just look at his track record
-In 2004, McCain voted against protecting workers’ overtime rights.
-In 2003, McCain voted against a temporary extension of unemployment benefits.
-In 2005, McCain voted for CAFTA and trade agreements with Singapore and Chile in 2003—all of which have no enforceable labor standards.
-In 2005, McCain voted to disqualify 10 million workers from minimum wage, overtime and equal pay protections.
-In 2004, McCain voted against an amendment prohibiting overseas outsourcing of federal contracts.
-In 2007, McCain voted against collective bargaining rights for federal employees.
-In 2006, McCain voted against an amendment to prevent privatization of federal jobs.
-In 2007, McCain voted against an expansion of the State Children’s Health Insurance Program.
-In 2007, McCain voted to filibuster a bill to allow Medicare to negotiate for fair drug prices.
So if you support John McCain, go give your grandmother sitting in the retirement home with no medicaid the middle finger. Go kick dirt on the people who had thier job taken from them and sent overseas. Go spit on the Katrina victim that is unable to get medical attention or job training because both programs have huge budget cuts in able to give the rich thier tax cut. After doing all this, sit back and call yourself a patriot when you support cutting funding to 9-11 rescue workers much needed health care. You mind as well just pull your pants down and pop a squat on the American flag in front of all to see.

Posted by: Arend | February 24, 2008, 5:32 am 5:32 am

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