Plug Pulled On Obama – Edwards Meeting

I think that the country is ripe for change. A Clinton is no change. It’s McCain or Obama time. As a two time voter for Bush, I certainly hope that Obama wins.

If Hillary Clinton is elected as President this country is finished. Firstly Bill will be making all kinds of secret deals outside of the country(Remember how he made the Israeli release Mohammed Atta, and look what he did,flew a plane into the world trade center)Secondly Hillary lies like a rug,she is a socialist trending towards communism..Watch our America.

Edwards is a horror, he will deal with whom ever to get the vice presidency. Of course any vice president will be third in line it will actually be Bill, Hillary and then the Vp.. What a thought.

FULL OF RHETORIC, little substance, except what he has copied from Hillary’s plans. EXPERIENCE DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE. Do you want McCain as the next President? He does have experience, and he is a moderate. He will not, however, be advocating Hillary’s plans which this country desperately needs. Hillary has the experience, the intelligence, the wisdom, and the toughness we need now!
Geo

Obama or Clinton, either way is fine with most Dems!!!
Edwards can give his endorsement to either candidate, because Dems are clearly taking the White House in ’08!!!
Rush Limbaugh is clearly IRRELEVANT!!!

This is not issued about race, gender, etc…, it’s all about candidate. As you imagine that the man with only 1 year experience in senate, and have no nothing knowledge about economics, national securities, etc… the national securities is one of the most important issue in america nowadays. As, senator Barack Obama doesn’t have any knowledge about those. So, if he elects as president, i believe U.S. citizens will collapse both national securities and economics. Just think 1 simple way.
Will the big company hire the employee with 1 year experience, and run as CEO for the company =>the answer NO.
the senator Barack Obama always said “Change” change what, he doesn’t have any experience, how he can change. right now, he doesn’t have any specific ideas how to lead america in the right direction. All i can said that he has lucky not to vote in the Iraq War, the reason he did not vote beacause he has no experience about this.

I’m amazed that people cannot see that Obama is all talk and no action. He’s a hypocrite. He talks about people are tired of all the same Washington politcs with the same old players, yet he actively seeks the endorsements of the most “old school” politicians: Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, etc. He’s a sellout and a phoney.
It is also incredibly arrogant and presumptuous for him to think that he’s so great that he’s going to be a whole new revolution and a new era. We don’t need such arrogance in a president. We already have an arrogant president, and look where it got us.
Hillary Clinton is proven through the years and standing up for the things she claims she is for. Clinton is still more popular among Americans than Obama.
Hillary Clinton, all the way to the White House. We need solutions, not diatribes and clever speeches.

Whenever Obama gets any criticism at all, like from President Clinton, he shrinks under the pressure and plays the victim. Grow up! He’s such a brat. He has an attitude of entitlement; and no surprise, all the positive coverage is thrown at his feet without him having to ever prove himself. He has not been an agent of change as a senator. He has climbed to his status through piggybacking off of “the old politicians” that he criticises. Obama is slimy.

How do we know these are all votes for Obama and not just votes against Hillary?

Question: Is it possible for a Democrat Candidate/Edwards to give his delegate votes to a Republican? Also, Edwards should wait for the last minute to make any decision.

Typical of a democrat, just sling insults and not answer the question. Should have know what I was dealing with.

I knew I had tust problem with slick Edwards who said pointing to Hilary in a debate “a vote for her will be vote for status quo”. Voters are smart and recognized him early and that is why he is where he is.
Obama will win even without the support of Edwards.

Maybe next time each party should pick up the best actor/actress or preachers to compete for the most difficulty job — this Obama-fantasy really worries me. “Change” — what kind of change — what the hell does the fantasy so desperately want to change USA? to a heaven-land? maybe people forget we are the greatest nation in the world even we have this or that problems, we don’t need a so-claimed-to-be-washington-outsider to break the system, which, by the way, of course is not perfect, but definitely the best one in the world. The more I listen to this guy and watch the craziness of his supporters, the more the “fantasy” reminds of recent “heaven-fantasy” in other countries in recent history — people (especially young people) are dreaming of a perfect government/politics that will never come. But thank god we have the best democracy that will put an end to this “hype” sooner or later — of course, the sooner, the better.

You people that are ranting against Obama. First, someone ask what he stands for. Go to his website and get educated. Just like I have on the rest of the candidates. They all have a website available so you can read where they stand on the issues. But instead most of you will go by what someone else has told you. Also, if you want to know his voting record while in the senate, look it up. Go to the U.S. Senate website and look for yourself. That’s what I did. I got REAL information. If you want to know what he did while in the Illinois Senate, look it up. He sponsored or co-wrote over 800 bills. and a couple were co-sponsored between himself and Senator McCain regard (i.e. CO2 emissions Bill).
Get a clue people. Grow up and get educated on the issues before posting information that you have noting to back it up with.

i think clinton is stunned she isn’t slaughtering obama. she figured the country would surely want a white female before a black male. either we’re more progressive than she thought or she is hated that much (not that obama is second helpings). she is now relying on her democrat backers to “choose” the best delegate which can happen rather than it be based on “popular vote” since obama will clearly win the popular vote and probably the most delegates. hillary is shameless. she wants to steal the nomination by having her backers say she is still the most capable nominee and the only one who can beat the repulibican nominee. what strategy will she NOT try?

fact: Senator Clinton is the ONLY candidate capable of quickly coalescing a strong and unified international effort to battle and defeat terrorism, which cooperation is ABSOLUTE NECESSARY to achieve such a goal, which effort is also necessary to relieve the heavy and dangerous burden currently carried by our sons and daughters in uniform….unfortunately, senator obama is nowhere near as well-prepared and senator mccain is not remotely smart enough to even contemplate the connectivity between these goals, thus making all probable

Could it be that Edwards has recently learned that Obama is good friends with Rashid Khalidi, a former PLO terrorist and now a Prof at Columbia Univ, who worked at Chicago U with obama and held a fundraiser for Obama’s run at the US House of Rep.!
Khalidi is also the person who brought Iran’s President, Ahmadinejad, to speak at Columbia!
Isn’t it a fine crowd Obama circles himself with that has a need to be concerned?

I am sure that the Obama camp pulled the plug and did not show up at Edwards’ home when he asked him to be there…….heck, with the Senate attendance record that Obama has—-and when he DID show up, all of those “Present” votes (“I don’t have a position like my campaign has no plans”, Obama probably was just a “NO SHOW” again this time.

Hillary Clinton = Whitewater Scandal…..Look it up!!!!

Now tell me this. Why is it Clinton’s meeting is secret and Obama’s is ‘JUST A MEETING’. We need to be clear as to how the media views the candidates. The bottom line who will be the “best” nominee. Both candidates have what it takes, so the media needs to stop being unfair to the “women” candidate.I am beginning to believe that people are having a problem (News media) with a female front runner. All press seems to be negative towards her. Anything but another republican in office.
Cassie in Los Angeles

and hey, guess what? If Clinton DOESN’T get the Democratic nomination, I sure hope she runs as an Independent !!!! : ) : )
There’s more than 1 way to the US Presidency—she can take us supporters with her and win as a Independent…….YEAH uh huh !!!
Go, Hillary, GO !!!!

because I believe that senator obama is a genuinely good guy, I won’t hold him accountable for the loose cannons who support him who would never vote for Senator Clinton, because I think he wants what is best for America and it is painfully apparent that these people don’t

YAWN. I’m so over Obama.

nobody cares who edwards is endorsing anymore! Americans have spoken we want obama!

To all those who consider Obama because of his speech on the Iraq war, first it was by invitation to speak at an anti-war rally! Second he told Tim Russert in 2004 that he doesn’t know how he’d of voted for thewar HAD he been a US Senator at the time of the vote!
How come even the media lets Obama get away with telling the folks in Idaho a week ago that he was against gun control and yet while he was a State Senator, he voted for and introduced gun control legislation?
Why is it no one challenges this man’s record or his word? Could it be everyone is scared his campaign team or his wife will turn it into a racial issue like they have already?

Sorry, but Obama’s record doesn’t impress me much – I think that McCain will eat him for breakfast. Hillary has my vote because I want a Democrat who knows how to fight and win. Not one who is going to make vague, happy-clappy speeches about “change” that get all the old flower children all misty-eyed. He is a hustler of hope.

John Edwards ran a campaign base on ending poverty. He started and ended his campaing in Louisiana. The election in Louisina spoke clearly, they elected Borack. This alone should send a signal to John, that people are going with Borack. If you look at SC, GA and Alabama, LA and of course Utah, Coloado,Arkansa, ect.. Borack received an overwhelming support among white men and women. Borack has gain support among white males like myself. Im an ex-republican who will vote for Obama. I say its sad because my own party want Hillary to win and they will defeat her. Republicans dont like Hillary. Borack in other hand has the ability to bring in republicans to his side. Look at me. Borack is runnig a campaing not base on race, religion or gender. This is why he has such a huge support among independents. So to say that John Edwards will bring to Hillary all the white men is a sense of false hope. Most of the people that vote for John are now supporting Borack. Its to late to change that. John Edwards was not well supported in the South. Borack obama did very well on his own in the south. John said many times that Hillary was the corporate leader taking in more money from lobyst than any of the two. So if he chooses Hillary than he sold his soul by lying to the American people. This has the potential hurting him and what he stands for. Im sorry you dont fight poverty by taking money from lobyst at the long run they hurt working class and poor people..Those were the words of John . If I was John I will not endorse anyone. This can potentialy hurt him beacase of what he says he stands for. It could also be that Hillary is planing to give him a vp shot. That will not do anything at this point, It will only look like a dis-honest plan by the Clintons and Edwards. With that said I think it would be wise for John to curt Obama who will mostlikely be the winner. Obama and Edward have that special affection.

John Edwards is smart and understand that he will choose the voice of millions of Americans screaming for change.
John E., endorse the winning team, OBAMA
Don’t be part of any free fall.

I cannot beleive the things you say Obama is going to do. Wake up. I did not see one thing in your rant about Illegals (oh thats right, he wants to provide them free tuition and drivers licenses) or about security(oh thats right he is going to have tea with all the 3rd world dictators and they will like us again). you people are living in a dream world. Get a grip, this is our lives we are talking about. This is not the time to fall for some smooth talking person. I admit he is charasmatic, but he is not ready to be President. He is also the most liberal seator. Anyone who hangs out with Ted “the swimmer” Kennedy needs to be examined carefully.

Cassie, Obama’s is just a meeting because he said he was going to do it. There was no attempt to conceal it and have it leak out after being late to a different function.
Jarr–if you don’t want to look at Obama’s website…that’s fine. But can you then make an argument that what Hillary stands for is clearer?
Hussein–it means ‘little beauty’. If we worry about his middle name, shouldn’t we worry about the current president’s first name? After all, “George” is the name of the king we threw off during the revolution. We should worry because the names are the same that george Bush is attempting to return the states of America to British control. Ri-ight…

Why is everyone so freakin stupid? Popular vote doesn’t elect a president. I think the polls showing Obama defeating McCain simply mean that Obama would get CLOSER to winning the red states than Hillary, and win the blue states by higher margins. Either way, however, they would win the same states. If Hillary wins the usual “Safe democrat” states (she will) plus Ohio and Florida (where she polls better than Obama) she wins the election. Obama CANNOT win Ohio and Florida. The general election is NOT a caucus, it is NOT 50% black. Obama’s supporters are democrats by default…blacks and college students. Hillary’s, hispanics and older people, are not. SHE can win the most votes. Don’t buy into this stupid one-sided Obama hype.

Edwards is really losing my respect.
He’s really drawing out a negotiation for 26 delegates, NONE of whom is obligated to listen to him.
If it is true that the meeting is rescheduled because Edwards wants it kept private, then I would say he is leaning Obama and he used Hillary as a negotiation lever.

America’s needs are dictated by a comment zone and I don’t appreciate the ones telling what my best interest is. Listening and learning with clear, conscious, unbias choice from the facts provide from the candidates (not the media or followers), is an Americans resposibility, to do, when picking a president! This Obama bandwagon is an out rage, a large portion of is followers have no idea his political issues or what he represents in the government. Not a quality I look for in a president. He’s marketing to gain most peoples vote not earning them through his political stance. Let the people vote their choice and that will speak volumes, if we can get a fair vote counted.

a good southerner, obama will not win one of the 11 southern states in the general election. i agree with patrick buchanan that he will be lucky to carry 10 states overall and the democrats will have shot themseles in the foot again.

Obama was a former civil rights attorney .. that tells me all I need to know.

Bruce H. – The Clintons were exonerated of any allegations of wrongdoing in the Whitewater “scandal”. Look it up.

Posted by: Julio | Feb 11, 2008 2:14:31 PM
Excellent post, so true!

The reason not to vote for either is clear. Neither accept God’s commands and both will lead this country to it’s doom. If we elect leaders who oppose God (and both Obama and Hillary do) then this country will pay for it…
A change should be for the better so that we can return to aligning ourselves more closely with our creator’s commands rather than away from his commands.

current Popular vote totals: Senator Clinton 9,099,715; senator obama 8,681,903…..Senator Clinton Advantage + 417,812

FYI, for all those who are calling Obama to “task” for not getting into tiny details for his plans etc, well, he USED to! But folks wanted the Rhetoric, the Vision, the uplifting speeches.. and so all that detailed info IS on the website, because that is what folks wanted.
Now, I am a big fan of Obama, hope he wins.. will vote for Shrillary if she is the nominee, we have had enough Repubs. If it is a choice between another clinton OR another Repub, I will choose the former.. but prefer Obama.
I also think that Edwards represents a segment of the population, by view and intent, and THAT is what his endorsement might mean and NOT his delegates.. but his opinion.
I hear the story over and over.. Obama has inspired people rarely involved with Politics, that the metaview he has of changing the game (now copied by ALL) reflects not just buzz words, but a deep understanding of the human condition. And a plan to improve it. I know I became a dem from Indie, went to my caucus, and made it happen for him.. my wife and 1 yr old also went.. and that kind of motivation, in this day and age, is the TRUE game changer.

I will lose all respect for Edwards if he endorses Hillary. Right now he is clearly weighing whether or not to endorse the front runner (though not for long) and increase his chances of getting a foot in the White House, or to endorse the person who’s beliefs most closely match his. He endorsed Obama clearly in Iowa. It would be shameful of him to jump ship now, and stupid.

Ladies and Gentlemen:
This is nothing but a set up! Never before today have I understood how easy the Democrats were led! But like Sheep, we go forward! The Media is doing nothing but promoting Barack Obama. This is such, and I mean, Such A Set up! If Obama wins the nomination he has my support, but when you think about it: Hillary is the only one to defeat McCain. The Republicans are going to Crucify Barack Obama! Wait and see. Change is good, but does anyone even realize the kind of mess that has to be cleaned up. I see it happening. like in 04, The kicked Dean out over a BS scream, and we got Kerry! Who was defenseless; They will kick out Hillary and we will get Obama! Well let the cards play out and if we lose again, you all can kick yourlselves in the …!

Edwards can step aside. Its Obama time and he shouldn’t need to beg Edwards and hopefully these super delegates don’t bow to the Clinton machine.

Endorsements don’t mean a dang thing in my pocketbook. Some of you voters who say you stand for a candidate who can cross party lines, and stand for this and that, are yourselves hypocrites for acting like this (giving your personal attacks, or your “theory” or spin)you have an opinion, but all of you who are doing this are either really pissed off, or are immature to the process of “civil” disagreement. You are disappointing me.

When you consider the evidence against Saddam at the time and most of the evidence was from Democrats in the Clinton administration, given to Bush, Obama was a weak fool to not support taking Saddam out. Sometimes the issue in picking a President is whether you have a death wish or not. Picking a person with bad judgement based on the obvious info at hand is very dangerous indeed. The terrorists would play Obama like a drum.

Let me see if I get this right. The Hillary team plans to eliminate the tax cuts, raise taxes, convert the country’s Health Care system to socialist model, drastically cut the military, and provide jobs for all Americans. In addition, they plan on doing all this, while flipping the middle finger to the Republicans. Wow, they really think they can do all this without bi-partisan support. I wonder what their plan is when the stock market tanks. Cause it WILL tank folks.
If we’re going to have a Democrat for President, let it be Obama. At least he says he’ll work with all groups to solve the important issues.

Barack is great at giving speeches (not too good at debating face to face), but I haven’t heard a lot about what he has accomplished in life except being a media darling. I am sure these next 8 or so months will reveal the real Barack. The republicans and the media have grilled Hillary for 16 years now and they have nothing on her. She has survived so many crisis’s and is still standing. She is a seasoned leader, so she gets my vote.

Sarah
I got news for you no one person care fix our broken health care system by themselves. Remember when Hillary was the First Lady and she tried it and failed miserably. So maybe we should let someone else have a shot at fixing it.

I really hope the Dems are dumb enough to nominate Barrack Hussein Obama. The guy has no accomplishments and no experience and John McCain will eat him for breakfast and you stupid democrats will lose yet another election. Way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory yet again, Hahahahahahahahaha!

Bush and Cheney and their slimey corporate buddies have greedily run this country into the ground with the republicans squarely, until recently, behind them, so I think Hillary has a great chance at winning the Presidency. Going back to the State of the Union snub by Barack to Hillary, if Barack cannot face a competitor in the political arena, how in the world will he face leaders like Putin? Putin will have him for breakfast. With the Clintons, we had a surplus, with the republicans, TRILLION UPON TRILLIONS in debt. Can ANY republican, “evangelicals” especially, defend THAT? Edwards will endorse the person who will “assist” him.

I think either candidate would be a far better option than ANY of the repubs (by now of course that would be McCain). However I support Hillary and want her to win the nomination. This is because of the simple reason that I do not believe America is ready to elect a black president.
Current polling shows Obama beating McCain with a slight lead, but that’s just polling. Voters aren’t faced with their own racism/misgivings over electing a black man to the White House. I do not believe that on election day he would win. The voters would chicken out and go for the white guy. America needs more time to divest itself of lingering prejudices and place a qualified black man in the white house (and believe me, Obama is qualified). But that is the sad truth right now.

To Creepy – I hear you about some of Bill Clinton’s deals – some of the finest deals ever struck by an American official in terms of making money for our treasury!

From the very start ofthe campaign, Hilary had been treated bad by the press/media. All negative news/comments had been in the news and talk shows.She is the most intelligent woman I ever knew.Hope people sees her quality to be the next President of our great country. This country needs to have the first Lady President.

Senator Clinton speaks from political experience, knowledge. Senator Obama only talks about philosophical “hope”, “belief”, “we can” its actually a little depressing. Eight years after Bush, America deserves, and expects more than his philosophy. America needs a president, not a preacher, or idol.

I don’t consider Obama a clear winner when we still have caucuses which use strong-arm tactics to get people to change their votes. Voting is suppose to be done as a secret ballot. If caucuses were done a way with, popular votes would be with Clinton. Obama is not my choice for The Democratic party and I will not vote for him if he gets the nomination and this is purely on his ability to be our next President. He has constantly used his race as an issue, his candidacy is nothing more than a cult-like fervor. He has no substance in his policies and he has a better-than-thou attitude. He has a lot of issues that need discussing before he could ever be ready for the Presidency. I am very distressed with the bias in this Democratic race and the Hillary-bashing is more than childish.

Senator Clinton is the wife of the best President of my lifetime. The people that are creating the turmoil and divisiveness are Republicans and ill advised Obama supporters. Rewriting history only works on people with short memories. I’m voting for whoever gets the Democratic nomination because both would be a vast improvement over the over the “BORROW AND SPEND REPUBLICANS”.

There is no one with the same experience as Clinton. She has had first hand living a presidential term as first lady. Also two years in the senate.

Monday Morning Quarterbacks. None better. They would not have thrown that pass if they had know it was going to be intercepted. HUH??
Just like Obama is saying: If he had been a US Senator at the time the Iraqi war vote was taken, he would have voted NO. How do we know this?? Because he said so. RIGHT! Monday Morning Quarterback.

Hillary was the one who tried universal health care even Obama didn’t know about that time; Hillary was the one who fought for the right of women when Obama was smoking pot; Hillary worked for women and children and proposed separate health coverage for children and still Obama ignores about it; Hillary worked to aware about domestic violence when obama was still harassing women in hi college.
I am a die-heart democrat but Barack Obama, his cult and campaign has pushed away democrats like me too far away and will not get vote from us if wins primary. Stop hating Hillary from today. Hillary is real substance and Barack Hussein Obama is Hollow that will prove by time.

John Edwards really appears to be an opportunist here….I remember when he won the senate from NC….and talk started concerning how he reminds folks of Robert Kennedy and his potential to be president. Edwards was just not ready, obviously……But now Obama really seems to carry on the persona of the Kennedys, and Edwards just want a ride on whoever’s bandwagon……If Clinto is up, he’ll go there…..If Obama is up, he’ll go there…..The reason Edwards is vacillating now is simply because he does not know for certain which way the wind will blow…..
You know, it’s selfish……It’s like gambling for him….’cause if he picks Obama to edorse, and Clinton wins, then Edwards can probably forget any place in her administration……perhaps Obama may be more forgiving provided he wins and his endorsement went for Clinton….He needs then to consider that and stop focusing on himself…..I personally feels that’s what he is doing…
Focus on the America people Edwards!!!!
Obama will be the nominee and the next president.

To gfahey: Just realized that I gave Walt credit for being reflective and intelligent. Instead, I echo everything YOU have said. You speak well for Hillary. She has been an agent of change her entire life, despite adversity and ridicule. Everyone needs to start with her words at Wellesley when she was the age of some of the starstruck Obama supporters. She has taken action over and over again to make things better for many: women, children, workers, the disenfranchized and the poverty-stricken. The bias we see over and over from once trusted CNN and MSNBC is not deserved. People need to read and quit listening to soundbites. CHANGE means very little when it is empty rhetoric.
Geo

Hillary needs to address mens too i do agree this as Hillary supporter and i blogged about this issue in her site long time ago.
It is not hating men or women; it is about making country proud and living peacefully. I think Hillary has experience and courage to do that as a President if she wins. I am a woman and Hillary supporter; i swear i am not a feminist i love my husband and children than anything else in the earth. I think Hillary is good mom and good wife and good human being. Please stop hating her. Be human and treat others like a human. Stop hating, period.

I’m not a Hillary supporter nor a Hillary basher. I just have a simple question if Hillary is on the up and up as most Hillary supporter claim why has she not opened her tax records yet? Obama has. What does she have to hide? Even Hillary supporters should question that.

You people are so fake: The moment, the instant Edwards supports Obama, John will be third in line only to Obama and Einstein.
You see one little scheduling problem and Edwards is a communist secret socialist, Hillzilla supporting fascist in disguise.
Tomorrow or the next day, he comes out holding Obama’s hand like a San Francisco wedding, and you will all be jumping out windows to shine heaven’s light on John’s brilliance, kindness, and wisdom. Those qualites you always knew he had, but refused to vote for him for, cause it was All-Obama-All-The-Time.

Hill should now stop promising the moon to the voters as she just get embarrass when confronted with her failed promises. She also risk sounding like
the boy who cried wolf. She promise to wage a 50 state campaign, but her empty
coffer forced her to cherry pick and gamble on big states only. That is not a
winning strategy but a “stragedy”. Al could have won in 2000 had he not
neglected his home state instead of betting big on Florida. Her fantastic “35 years” of experience proves to be the real biggest Fairy Tale that Bill was talking about when she mismanaged her big war chest ! How can voters now trust her when her own personal interest is now getting derailed by her obvious lack of experience ! It is she who is all talk and not a doer. She spent more time in front of cameras and clearly practiced outsourcing instead of doing her personal responsibility (not reading Intelligence Estimate herself). It is her credibility gap that is killing her campaign, doing it is different than just saying it, and she have shown over and over that she is no doer ! She is just all talk and twisting facts to inflate her effort and grab credits.

Just skimming through the blogs, Janet what you wrote on Obamas issues, they were Hillarys in May, he came out with his months later. Universal means ALL. You all will not get it until he destroys what Hillary is trying to provide, he is cheaping what universal means, he needs to call it, insurance you might be able to afford, not universal.

Obama is full of rhetoric, but has yet to show any substance.
American society is immature and not ready to be led by a woman.

FACT: Obama didn’t Vote for or against the war anywhere.
FACT: Feb 2001 52% of Americans favoured an invasion of Iraq.
FACT: July 2002 75% of Americans favoured invading Iraq. 84% believed Iraq had WMD’s
FACT: May 2003 74% of Americans thought invading Iraq was justified.
FACT: August 2004 67% of Americans believe they were misled on the reasons for invading Iraq.
FACT: November 2004 George W Bush is reelected to the presidency of the USA.
FACT: ABC news May 17 2007. -
“I think what people might point to is our different assessments of the war in Iraq,” Obama said at the time, “although I’m always careful to say that I was not in the Senate, so perhaps the reason I thought it was such a bad idea was that I didn’t have the benefit of U.S. intelligence.”
Not so much anymore Senator Obama you just stick with “I didn’t vote for the war in Iraq”
So while everyone jumps on Obamas selective telling of his Iraq history they tend to forget 3 in 4 of them were on board at the time of the vote to go to war. Bush duped all of us. So Obama needs to get a new tune and his supporters shouldn’t be so revisionist.
You can’t all have been the 1 in 4 against it and you didnt stop Bush in 2004

So,from the above post I get that Hillary is more divisive than Obama and thereby more electable. However, I believe that it is hate that is more divisive which used to be a republican trait. Nowadays, it appears from their own posts that 90% of all hate is coming from the Obama folks, therefore it appears to me that Obama’s own supporters do not believe his message whatsoever. If Obama supports do not believe then how can an undecided voter like me possibly believe?
At the same time it also appears more Hillary supporters actually believe her message. So, I think I’m gonna stand over here in the corner with Hillary folks because the Obama folks frighten the heck out of me.

Just as a quick note to the “all hype” repeaters… How is this a bad thing? Have you completely missed out on the total lack of allure the Democratic party has had as a matter of habit for the past several several years?
The Clintons never demonstrated handiness at winning formidable elections. Hillary had no competition in NY, and Bill was handed 1992 because of the once-in-a-lifetime double-digit chipaway at the Republican base by Ross Perot. In a R vs. D race, Bill likely would have lost for all his “comeback kid” nonsense.
Obama has what it takes to give America an attitude adjustment. I’ll take 30 million of that over Hillary’s “I’m reviled and heavily despised, but I have enough experience to keep a constant pack of barking dogs on the other side of the fence!” Yeah, she’ll really unite America. Wake up, people. Our disunity is an issue in and of itself, on which Hillary has her backside handed to her every time by Barack.

Hillary should not concede Maryland or Virginia. She has a lot of support there.

If come the end of the primaries and hypothetically speaking Hillary has the most pledged delegates by even just one(not including superd’s) will Obama walk away from the nomiantion because he has stated numerous times it shouldn’t be determined by superdelegates?
Somehow I don’t think so. So what does this say about him.

Anybody have any suggestions for a really good third party (independent) candidate? Sure would be a good time to speak up…

Obama IS energetic and charismatic, and I must admit I was “sold” on him for awhile. But as the weeks go by, I’ve noticed how well he can harangue a crowd while saying absolutely nothing! He reminds me of an evangelist, full of “fire and fury”, but without any substance. I’ve also noticed he gives a different kind of speech when in front of a mostly-black audience, such as a black church. Then he sounds like every major black leader of the last half-century, while he “talks black”, as if his audience cannot notice his ethnicity. He’s not a stupid man, by any means; he has learned what gets votes, and he plays the race card very carefully and very well.

Obama is Bush and Cheneys cousin. I can’t stomach seeing another Bush in the WH. See for yourself. What a great blood line.

I’m sorry to disappoint you but Democrats will soon wake up and will realize tha Obama can only offer rethoric. Hillary has the experience and she will be the next president of the USA.

Why cant Dems ever think strategically? Check this out:
1) let hilary be the prez and obama vp.
2) lets make sure we get the dem team elected for the next 8 years.This is possible with the combo of H + O.
3) Obama will get his “experience” and he should be the prez for another 2 terms thereafter.
Guess what? We as Dems have the Whitehouse for the next 16 years. This is how the republicans have always thought and have won the whitehouse.
Its time for us dems to get aggresive and start thinking long term.
Lets have both the candidates on the ticket.

For those who say that Obama is all talk and no substance, I suggest that you check out his website. He is as much a policy wonk as Clinton and has very detailed stands on a large number of issues. I will be happy to vote for either one of them.

Thinker, I’ve posted MANY messages on various blogs suggesting that a Clinton/Obama ticket would be unbeatable, but you and I must be the only ones who think so! Clinton and Obama would rather tear each other apart and shred party unity as well as themselves.

Al not sure how you post a comment with my imformation (2/11 at 7:28 al) Talk Town posted that comment

i am pretty sure edwards will endorse obama. to endorse hillary would be kinda hypocritical since she has so many washington strings attached to big money and corporations
–the problem i have is that headline-
pulls the plug- that is instigating a spark to fly out of the socket. the meeting was rescheduled so they wouldnt have the media hounding them. it wasnt a big dis or anything like that. obama and edwards do have a good frienship.i dont think edwards will take vp again. i think another post would be better for him.

Change for change’s sake is meaningless. We have’t seen any real meaningful change by Obama yet. We want real change.

Obama and the War P2
Obama has opposed the war in Iraq from day 1 and has been consistent throughout. Unfortunately, the Clintons and some of their misinformed supporter continue to try to distort the truth out of desperation. And God knows they need to pull every dirty trick in order to have a chance to win.
It’s true that a year after the war had started, Obama said, at this point, with the troops already being in Iraq, we need to make sure that they stabalize and train the Iraqi forces we leave. He said it wouldn’t be good for our international standing to go in, destroy a country, and just leave.
Now what about that is inconsistent, I don’t understand. Distorting the facts and willing to do anything to win an election is exactly the reason that people are so turned of by the Clintons and their supporters.

Obama was not even in the senate to cast a vote on Iraq. But he gives the impression he was. That is like me saying I was against the war so vote for me for president. I was not in the senate to cast a vote and neither was Obama. Soldiers are fighting and dying and Obama is using Iraq as a issue to get into the WH. And he is not telling the truth about it. Shame on Obama for not telling the truth.

In all of Mr. Obama’s TV ads, he declares: As President, I will do this; as President, I will do this; and, as President, I will do THIS! But, the question I am asking you is: Who the Hell even knew his name three months ago? NO ONE! And, second question: what has he achieved except two years in the Senate and running some community agency? Yes, Hillary has had her scrapes, but everything the republicans and the media dished out, SHE GREW FROM. We didn’t just hear about her three months ago. All of you Barack, John and Mike fans, be real careful what you wish for. Just because you read something on “HIS” blog, doesn’t mean it is accurate or truthful. You all fell for that crap in the last two “elections”! Snap out of it! I hope you can live with your vote!

Ray
Did you know that his audience was anti-war when he did that speech. Of course he will say that to get some vote. Like I said before, OB will say and do to get elected. Before I said I will vote for OB if he gets elected but I change my mind. I rather vote for republican even he is against my views but at least competent, sincere, and honest!!!

Let’s face it folks, each candidate running, be they Democrat, Independent or Republican, is power-hungry, but, you and I as citizens of this once great country, need to vote for the one running right now that will get America back to what it once was, an honest, decent, worldly country, not some corporate, money-hungry machine that grinds up disadvantaged-U.S. Soldiers, Marines, Navy & Air Force and all of our National Guard and their families and leaves them all to rot in under-equipped military hospitals with no benefits. THINK! WHO IS MOST QUALIFIED! THINK!!!!! Your vote for the candidate, DEEP DOWN, that you KNOW will be able to reverse these last 7 years. If you can’t bring yourself to really THINK about who you are voting for, but will just go ahead like a milk-cow on the barn path and “vote your party”, then you need to stay home and NOT VOTE AT ALL! Our American Women and Men are being maimed and thousands dead and dying, trying to serve this country that they thought was being true to them. Do you think Bush and Cheney and their slimey buddies were true to our troops? THINK!!! Many, many lives are in YOUR hands. JUST THINK, PLEASE!!! Would you actually have the gall to vote for a war-crazy republican, AGAIN? Vote tested experience!

To have an “honest, decent worldly country,” we need an honest, decent and worldly president. I hope all logical people would agree that if there is one thing that the Clintons dont possess is honesty and decency.

Edwards has been running as the champion for the poor. Just look who voted for Obama and Hillary, he should have no problem in choosing. The affluent and young voted for Obama while the middle class voted for Hillary. By teaming up with Hillary, Edwards will finally have a chance to fulfill his dream for the poor.

News Alert: German president quote´s Obama´s dare to hope slogan.
And I quote:
The old and the new America are shaking hands!
Americans, my people, party members,
one year ago, a new movement was formed, I and this movement of hope will join the government.
I believe that we are achieveing out goals for which we have fought all this year.
We shall not lie and we shall not cheat. I have therefore declined to come here to the people with cheap promises. In our own hands, in our own hands alone lies the destiny of American People. Only if we raise ourselves and our people through hard work, industry, their own determination and daring to hope, their own perseverance only then we shall rise again.
In days gone by our fathers too have not received America as a gift but have created it themselves.
People of America, give me 4 years, and I swear to you so I shall leave it then. For I will not take it for gains or wages but for your sake alone.
German president in 1933.

2009 read it and weep
Obama’s life story, is an object lesson in resilience. He overcame the discrimination of an immigrant background, and a racially mixed family, as well as the loss of a father, sporadic poverty and the distractions of his teenage youth, to become a Harvard Magna *** Laude, a civil rights lawyer, a state senator and a US senator. This history is both a validation of his spirit AND of the national pursuit of the American dream for all. “Yes we can” is much more than a slogan in the context of his life. The far Right will undoubtedly try to discredit him by highlighting the forks in his path where he temporarily stalled. But his ultimate choices will discredit their cynicism and inspire an uncertain younger generation to make the right choices, themselves. Further, the cingular act of electing him would reassert America’s resilience in the world without a single policy debate. It would be tangible proof that American’s still value opportunity and equality for all even after 911.
His bio can be found at http://votesmart.org/bio.php?can_id=9490
His legislative experience is much greater than Hillarys. See http://thomas.loc.gov
During the first (8) eight years of his elected service he sponsored over 820 bills. He introduced
233 regarding healthcare reform,
125 on poverty and public assistance,
112 crime fighting bills,
97 economic bills,
60 human rights and anti-discrimination bills,
21 ethics reform bills,
15 gun control,
6 veterans affairs and many others.
His first year in the U.S. Senate, he authored 152 bills and co-sponsored another 427. These included:
**the Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006 (became law),
**The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act, (became law),
**The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act, passed the Senate,
**The 2007 Government Ethics Bill, (became law),
**The Protection Against Excessive Executive Compensation Bill, (In committee), and many more.

Hillary does not get it. America thinks she stinks. They want Obama to lead us out of the wilderness of Bush and Clinton lies and deceptions. Time is now for Obama and not has been Clintons or certainly no more bushes-Jeb or progeny.

No one is perfect, Ray. Everyone stretches the truth to get what they want. For each candidate, this rings true, as it does for you and I. We all have skeletons, don’t we, Ray? The 2008 Election is to decide which of the four candidates will get us back on track. Of the four: Mrs. Clinton, Mr. Huckabee, Mr. McCain, or Mr. Obama, which one do you absolutely-down-in-your-heart think will do the best job? Vote for the country, not yourself! Vote Hillary!

Point me to the non-partisan, official government site, that the 820 bills are found in.
Not from someone’s website who is a fan or a detractor.
I want the site address where this information is. A government site. Where you found it.

HRC’s run for the presidency, gives me hope that a woman might, just break the ultimate glass ceiling. Mothers will be able to tell their daughters, “You can be anything, you want, even President of the United States,” and it will be true. Talk about change! Everything changes, if a woman becomes President of the United States. Perhaps, it will help to reduce some of the gender bias, that exists in the U.S., and around the world.
She is so qualified for this position. She knows healthcare, inside and out. Her policy work with healthcare and education issues over the years gives her a deep insight and committment towards improving the lives of people. During her years as First Lady of Arkansas, she was the first wife of a governor, who held a job. And, yes, she received bad press and criticism for doing this, but she kept doing it, anyway. She was the first female law partner in the Rose law firm. This was a first, in Arkansas. While she was First Lady of Arkansas, she worked to improve the education programs, and these programs exist today, and have been implemented in other states. She also did policy work for improving healthcare for children. Along the way, she has made mistakes, which I believe she has learned from.
Foreign policy issues are not foreign to her. She has served on the Armed Services Committee in the Senate, and has experience with policy issues. During her years of First Lady, she worked on improving human rights issues, breast cancer awareness, HIV/AIDS research, which gave her the opportunity and experience of traveling to many different countries, and interacting with all levels of people.
Most of all, she is tough, and knows her own mind. The gender bias she has faced during this primary season has been mind boggling, but she keeps focused and working towards her goal.
People talk about her being divisive, but during her senate work, she has worked across party lines, and has earned the respect of her fellow senators. It is important to realize the good work she has done. She has demonstrated her competence many, many times.
This gives me inspiration and hope for change. She has been a change agent, her entire life.

Hopefully Edwards will endorse someone who has similar views as his own. Obama is just that person

Ray,
They’ve changed my life about as much as Obama’s changed yours.
That is the whole point of this ridiculous argument you people are making.

Looking forward to voting for Obama in the morning.

I would be alot more impressed if her released his last 5 years tax returns. Not just the one prior to running for Presidential nominee. How convenient. What a ploy I wouldn’t jump to it either

Ray
Obama should be the one that is worried about scandals breaking. Rezko, Michelle Obamas involvement with Walmart, Larry Sinclair and on and on and on. Obama is a dirty Chicago politician. He is no Mr. Clean.

Obama is an open book,,he has put everything in play ,,,you can look at everything about the rezco deal,,,he has been forthright,,and willing to answer any questions,,,unlike the clintons who dodge questions or claim things are not fair,,you have to understand how much money the clintons have made off the american people,,thats why they are willing to go to any length to get back to the white house,,the flat out robbed “Peter Paul” and they know it( look it up you tube ) and it is going to be made public soon. just like the other law suit that they have been able to squander,,until now,,and the republicans are gonna make sure it gets brought to light,,and why won’t they release thier tax records? come on,,,you know and i know they don’t want to be ohnest, her famous line is that “be ready on day one”,,well seems to me she is not ready for super tues, or the caucusses, or her finacial woes, or her campaign manager,,why wasn’t she ready for all that?,,How come all the other canidates pledge not to campaign in FL. and MI., Obama wasn’t even on the ticket in MI. and now she wants to play dirty polotics again,,,and count those delegates,,,,yeah ok! hillary is all about Hillary!

Obama probably rescheduled because he does not want the media attention. He is afraid someone will figure out that there was a backroom deal for Edwards to quit and throw his support and delegates to Obama. Obama smiled that slick lying smile of his and hemmed and hawed all the way around the question when he was asked in an interview. Politicians are politicians. Obama’s glee club better wake up and smell the coffee. Would he lie to you baby? As long as he has the power of speech. I am a lifelong Democrat, but if he gets the nomination, I will unfortunately be voting for McCain.

Who scares the Bejeezus out of the NeoCons? It isn’t Senator Barack Obama.
It is Hillary Clinton!
We need “The Hill” for Prez/Obama for Veep!
McInsane would be TOAST!

So Republicans like lower taxes so those must be bad too. LOL.
Maybe you should try reading about ~why~ they like him. You might actually learn something. My boss is a diehard Bush-loving Conservative Republican, and he says he might actually consider voting for Obama especially since he’s also no big fan of McCain.

Yes we can! Yes we can! Yes we can!
Fools!
I want specifics! I want to get things done! I want action!
And I don’t want my president making “BONE-HEADED MISTAKES” as Obama admitted about a real estate deal OBAMA HIMSELF INITIATED with Rezko during a time when he knew Rezko was already being written about.
And I don’t want 130 PRESENT votes, which betrays a lack of conviction and a tendency to seek political advantage.
Fools! Fools! Fools!
How foolish we are about believing all this nonsense!

YES WE CAN & SUPPORT OBAMA !!!
America is tired to elect the same family again and again. I sometimes feel that we are in Kingdom time. Bush, Clinton, Bush, Hilary?, JT Bush? Chelsea? This will never happen. Folks let’s look the candidate’s plan and not the personalities. We are in the 21st century.
America has intelligent leaders. America has leaders with vision. This is a great country. Obama will lead us to the 21st century.
I hate that our shops are full of Chinese products. If US continue to do so there are no jobs for us and no jobs for our kids. There must be big tax break for those employers who keep the job in our soil.
Obama is not accepting any lobbyist or HMO’s donation. Let’s support him.
Obama voted for no war from the first beginning. Hilary voted for war and now against the war. Flip flop.
Obama has great plan for college students. Obama will give $4000 per year and in return social service in the community. That is great plan. After school programs, Amricorps, national service, tutoring services etc.
If Edward join Obama it is great. Obama will win with or without Edward’s help. The grassroots will win. You and me.
YES WE CAN !!!

willie, did you every think the reason Obama got to go to a rich kids high school was because he was so smart. Prep schools (and colleges) want as many smart kids as they can afford to scholarship in because it raises their test scores and looks good if they can say, we had 20 kids accepted to Harvard. And that’s where Obama got his law degree. His mom and dad and his maternal grandparents weren’t rich, you can read his biography on his website. And why more commenters don’t read candidate’s websites for their plans on the issues, I can’t understand. So many people take the time to comment but not to do a bit of extremely easy research.

They’re all horrible company–Edwards, Obama, and Hillary–so who cares anyway? This country is going down the tubes.
So long, security!

Fama – if Democrats cared about experience, they would have nominated either Richardson, Biden or Dodd (the first three out).
The experience thing was an argument of convenience, which is typical of the Clinton campaign. It knew its competitors were Edwards and Obama, and looked at how it could potentially differentiate from them.
But the simple fact is that Hillary doesn’t have much in terms of a presidential resume, either. Counting First Lady time is just bizarre, though clearly she was more involved with policy than some First Ladies.
She basically has her one-plus Senate term, and some early work running a public office that provides legal services to poorer Americans. Beyond that, she has been involved in an advocacy role for children’s health coverage, and spearheaded Bill Clinton’s effort to pass universal health care.
It isn’t 35 years of public experience, as we all know – Clinton critics and supporters alike. We all know she has some private sector work in there with the Rose Law Firm. Plus she was a law teacher. Nothing wrong with private sector experience, and in fact I prefer some. But her claim of 35 years public experience is objectively not correct.
Most of her name awareness comes from defense of her husband’s candidacy against womanizing charges, and defense of her husband’s administration against womanizing charges.
Its really not a resume that stands out, like say Richardson’s does.
That in itself isn’t a bad thing. If people were to make a list of the five presidents they’d rank among the greatest, and the five presidents they’d rank among the worst, I’d bet the bad ones have more experience. Try it; see if you agree.
The bad part for Clinton is that exaggerations about experience play into a general negative perception of her authenticity – one of things that is particularly damaging for a candidate among independents.

As a Mom I dont believe a word Hillary says! She will not release her Income Tax Return/info to the public.She has done alot of traveling with McCain who is a Republican!And she dont like News People saying anything bad about her 27 year old daughter, who isnt in the Military like my son.Well Hillary all your daughter has to worry about is words being thrown around at her, my Son has to watch out for more things then just words, Get A Life!

well trisha,,,,guess we could just keep puting the same old people in the same old position and get the same old results,,,,,,,Obama can unite this country,,,of coarse there is always gonna be the ” exceptions” who would not get along no matter what..Obama has not been in washington long enough to have the ” HOPE ” boiled out of him. ooppps is that a bad word “HOPE”?

history lesson,,,todays word is “hope”
when the pilgrims landed here they”hoped” they could break away from british control, the slaves “hoped” they could be freed, woman “hoped” they could vote, a president “hoped’ we could land on the moon. pessimist have no hope,,,the glass is always half empty, and now we have someone that is really giving people real “hope” that something can change in washington, and now there is something wrong with that.
it seems to me that most americans are choosing to be optimistic, and that we do have better days ahead of us,,but there is always gonna be people like trish that just can not grab on to change, hey i know that hope isn’t gonna put any more $ in my pocket, but no polotician will do that! but with obama as our next president, i hope things will be different, in an optimistic way!! >>>>hopemonger<<<<<

It’s interesting to see all the hand wringing, weeping and knashing of teeth from you lefties.
The truth of the matter is there are no good choices in this presidential election. Hillary is a Socialist who if elected will do her damnest to take this country to Euro style socialism ( which I’m sure many of you would love).
Obama, while charismatic and an excellent orator, has as his main positive the ability to say nothing better than any candidate in a long, long time. Without benefit of a telepromter, he is reduced in interviews to just spewing the same old Bush/Cheney hating BS,etc.,etc. In short-no substance and a defininite on the job learner.
McCain would be the lesser of the evils but for sure is no bargain. As a non-evangelical conservative, I will have a difficult time voting for him.
BTW, as a North Carolinian who has watched John Edwards up close and personal, he is a sleazy ambulance chasing trial atty. who did zilch, zip, nada for NC as a one term senator. As a national politician he is a total phony populist pimp who lives in a nearly 30,000 sf mansion just outside of Chapel Hill, NC. Yeah John, let’s take care of all those poor folks!
Finally, the difference between you on the left and us on the right (you mods just wet the finger and stick it up in the air to determine the current winning political winds) is ahem, emotion (left) vs. pragmatism and logic (right).
Fire away..

i am reallt trying to figure out these other democrats,,that say they won’t vote for Obama in the general,,,,because, Mrs. Clintons and Mr. Obama’s agenda’s are the same. it is just that one has already had her shot and plus she is the most investigated canidate running for office. her husbands terms were a total embarsssment to the american people, he lied under oath! while Mr. Obama seems to be very forthright in his campaigning. and he is a breath of fresh air, i am 63 yr. old white woman, i have raised 6 children and i have seen all of them and thier children, be inspired by Mr. Obama, so i have concluded that he can and will take america to a new great chapter!!

Don’t ever believe that Hillary wasn’t in on whatever Bill did. The FALN group was granted clemency for the sole purpose of Hillary getting the Hispanic vote for Senator in New York. Afterall, there were well over a million Hispanics in NY.

Both candidates have qualities we need in a president. Unfortunately for Hillary, Bill’s baggage ruins her chances. It’s not fair, but no way will he stay in the background. We have enough problems without domestic power struggles.

It is the will of the American People, at least those that have voted in the Democratic Primary that a change in the way our Government is run is needed. Of that, there can be no doubt. Whether, Senator Clinton or Senator Obama can best deliver that change will be the choice of the American people who vote in the Democratic primaries, of this there can be no doubt. Funny thing, when the Will of the American people is allowed to chart the course of America the result has been good, which is the Glory of a Democracy. There are thos among us who would say that we are a Republic, and the will of the people is reposed in the judgement of those who are elected. What we see unfolding is our Democracy asserting itself. We should count our blessings and try to move past the comfort of our bias whatever it may be, to new day in which all men/women are judged by the content of their character.
That’s all I have to say.

In the past few weeks I have been totally confused. Is it Obama 08 or is it Oprah 08. It’s amazing I haven’t seen Hillary pulling up the big stars to acquire them as her “mouth pieces”. Does Obama need someone else to bring in the votes, that he should be able to get on his on.

Theresa,,listen to yourself,,,have you been paying attention?,,,,,what about the biggest figure in this campaign,,,former “impeached” president william jefferson clinton,,,hmmmmmmm,,,,who has more influences in polotics?
another sweep tonite,,Obama is doing something to america,,,and america is listening,,,,we can’t keep putting the same old people doing the same old thing because we will get the same old results! this isn’t about gender (as many woman would like it to be) it isn’t about black america or white america,,,,it’s about the UNITED states of america!

Hilliary is the most qualified democrate for president. Its a dam shame the media is so against her. If she does not get them nomination watch out for Mayor Bloomberg of NYC Save us from Obama Huesain. If not I will be Voting for the first time for a Republican

Many (here in CA) have said that Edwards’ nod to either candidate would speak VOLUMES about his true character, priorities and motivations. Backing Hillary lays WASTE to John Edwards entire campaign.
Maybe there are drawbacks to an Obama endorsement, but far less popular blowback.
Plus, yes the people of his Pet State (LA) have alredy spoken. How silly the little man will seem then. I feel bad for Edwards supporters. That’s a raw deal in the making.

Obama’s slogan should be…”Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner”
“Yes we can”….what the heck does that mean?

Obama and McCain are green and unexprience, except for McCain’s military.Obama does not want his patriotism question, took 20 years to find out his preacher,talks much with little or nothing to show for it, has doudle duel citizenship that he still retains, etc.McCain on the other hand put his life on the line for your freedom and mine as others have done before. Why do we defend our freedom in Iraq or Afganistan. Good question. Because America could be next on the list. It was next when Japan attacked Pearl harbur. The true soldier does not war any more than you or I do. But he answers the call if his country needs him. Sorry I can’t say that of Military dodgers.