Potomac Primary Live Blog by Rick Klein
Email10:27 pm ET: No way around it: We have a Democratic frontrunner, and we have a Republican nominee. Productive night, if nothing else.
This is going to be interesting to watch from Clinton’s perspective. Can she keep the superdelegates in the fold? The money people? Can she wait a full three weeks before having some good news to report? Now that Obama is the undisputed delegate leader, does the campaign try to recalibrate its goals and expectations?
And how does this underdog suit fit?
That’s it for tonight — thanks for reading. Check back tomorrow morning, as always, for a full analysis in The Note…
10:11 pm ET: It’s easy to get the sense, in these back-to-back speeches, that we’re seeing a preview of the general election. Not necessarily so, but it seems like that more than at any other point in this wacky six-week period of voting.
And McCain closes by saying he’s fired up and ready to go! Stealing Obama’s line!! A gutsy call!
10:04 pm ET: John McCain comes out with some red meat for the conservative base. Good, solid stuff for the GOP to hear from a guy the party’s getting used to.
9:52 pm ET: Contrast this Obama speech with Clinton’s from earlier tonight. Obama is running against John McCain, while Clinton is still running against Barack Obama.
9:48 pm ET: One question I’m getting a lot right now, via e-mail and the blog — does pressure begin to mount on Clinton to step aside? Short answer is yes. Long answer is yes, but from whom? Who has standing to do it? Even Al Gore isn’t pure on this question. The fact is that Hillary Clinton will be in the race as long as Hillary Clinton wants to be. And the Clintons are fighters.
9:44 pm ET: Obama’s geographical references are almost lyrical when he gets them right. And this is him declaring victory in DC: "Though we won in Washington, Dc, this movement won’t stop until there’s change in Washington, DC."
Also — Obama, when he brings it for these speeches, he’s a great advertisement for his own campaign. "The cynics can no longer say that our hope is false."
9:44 pm ET: ABC CALLS WASHINGTON, DC FOR OBAMA AND MCCAIN. Sweep complete.
9:40 pm ET: We’re being told no DC results until at least 10:30 — with no explanation for the delay. But the Obama campaign is already declaring victory on its Website.
9:30 pm ET: Polls have closed in MARYLAND, and it’s OBAMA FOR THE DEMOCRATS, MCCAIN FOR THE REPUBLICANS. Very real chance (almost certain, actually) that we’ll have only one D winner and one R winner tonight — which hasn’t happened in any of the multiple-states-voting nights before. This is not a surprise, but it confirms a big night for the two winners. It’s now 0-for-7 for Clinton, and DC will make it 0-8.
The margin will matter, as in Virginia. Three landslides would be worse than two landslides and a squeaker, or even two landslides and just a decisive victory.
9:24 pm ET: I’m baffled by the pace of DC returns — but as a resident of the District who constantly struggles to have his trash collected on time, maybe I shouldn’t be.
Angel — you make a good point about the electoral votes of the states. But they have the same playing field — Obama has concentrated on smaller states, while Clinton has looked at the larger ones. Virginia is among the bigger states though — does that change your perceptions of how Obama can do in a more populous jurisdiction?
9:17 pm ET: This may be as close as we get to a Clinton tweak tonight: "It doesn’t happen just by wishing for it, or hoping for it. It happens by working really, really hard."
9:14 pm ET: So far, as Clinton speaks in El Paso, Texas, no mention of tonight’s voting. She’s looking firmly and totally ahead. And think back just one week — both she and Sen. Obama had reason to be happy with Super Tuesday. Things can change in a hurry, now can’t they?
9:07 pm ET: A VERY STRONG statement from Jill Hazelbaker, the McCain campaign’s communications director, offers a not-so-subtle nudge to Huckabee: "After tonight it is mathematically impossible for Governor Huckabee to secure the nomination. With regard to VA, Of course we’d like to win every race by wide margins, but we are accumulating the delegates we need to become the Republican nominee. Going forward, we will continue to work to unite the Republican party to defeat a liberal Democrat in November."
9:01 pm ET: A 14-point margin for Obama among white men in Virginia. That’s going to be tough for Clinton to spin away. He’s becoming the candidate of broad coalitions. This has got to be scary for Camp Clinton to witness.
8:52 pm ET: I do expect tonight’s results to have an impact on Texas, Ohio, and Pennsylvania — it’s not that voters there care what Virginia, DC, and Maryland are doing, but prepare for wall-to-wall coverage for the next three weeks (before March 4) that’s going to be shaped by tonight’s results.
The Clinton campaign is running out of weapons.
8:48 pm ET: ABC’s Eloise Harper reports that Clinton deputy campaign manager Mike Henry has resigned. This is not a surprise — he was a Patti Solis Doyle person — but this isn’t a good start to changing the conversation away from campaign turmoil and toward the challenge ahead. Maybe a clean sweep helps, but this isn’t a pretty portrait.
8:46 pm ET: From ABC’s Ron Claiborne, who is at McCain headquarters: "Can applause be nervous? When the big screen in the ballroom that is McCain election headquarters showed the projections that McCain would win the winner-take-all Virginia primary applause and whoops that sure sounded a bit nervous — and relieved — erupted. This race was much, much tighter than the McCain expected."
We’re expecting to hear from McCain shortly after 9:30 pm ET.
8:37 pm ET: As we watch the Democratic results roll in in Virginia — this is a Clinton wipeout. Obama winning all the big demographic groups, even Latinos, and is in the neighborhood of a 25-point win.
8:33 pm ET: ABC CALLS VIRGINIA FOR MCCAIN. That sound . . . was John McCain drawing breath again. This is a big win as he tries to close the deal — it was Huckabee’s best shot of the night, and if he’s 0-3 tonight, there goes his extremely narrow window.
8:15 pm ET: The polls have closed in DC, and in case you were wondering, the reason you won’t see an early call from ABC or other networks is that there were no exit polls there. So we’re going to have to wait for the actual vote tally before any projections are made. But anything less than a big Obama victory in DC would be shocker — it’s hard to imagine a jurisdiction, other than his home state of Illinois, that’s more receptive to his message than the nation’s capital, with its large number of white liberals and African-American voters.
7:59 pm ET: This from ABC’s Ron Claiborne: " Half and hour after the polls in Virginia closed, half an hour before they close in Washington, D.C. (They were jiust extended to 9:30 pm in Maryland), the "crowd" at the McCain election day party is sparse and listless. not a all like this stage of the night in any contest since New Hampshire. Some of it has to be the awful, icy, rainy weather. Some of it may also be the deflation from losing Kansas and Louisiana last weekend and an unexpectedly tight race in Virginia. The "vibe" is not at all celebratory."
7:48 pm ET: Huckabee will have a choice to make in the not-too-distant future. Look, he’s winning — granted. But he really CAN’T win — it’s math, not politics. So at what point does he stop doing himself good for the future and start doing himself damage by making McCain’s (and, by extension, the GOP’s) life miserable. The fact is that the party and McCain are now wedding through at least November, and they’d love to get to the business of getting to learn to love each other.
7:41 pm ET: This just crossed the wire: "The head of elections in Maryland says a judge has extended voting statewide for 90 minutes — until 9:30 p.m. — because of traffic problems caused by bad weather."
Our night just got a bit longer. I’m hard-pressed to guess who it benefits — but it does allow more people to vote.
7:26 pm ET: This is a problematic evening early for McCain. He can’t put Huckabee away — it’s sort of astounding that Huck keeps winning. Again, this won’t make Huckabee the nominee. But how is this guy still winning?
7:12 pm ET: So does a sweep matter? If Obama closes out the night 8-0, what’s the next move for Clinton? I’m expecting the Clinton folks to start getting dirty — we’ve seen hints of that already, with oh-so-casual references to Rezko and unanswered questions about Obama’s background. But we haven’t seen the Clintons cornered like they’re going to be if this is a big Obama night.
7 pm ET: ABC CALLS VIRGINIA FOR OBAMA. Right at poll closing — and with that goes Clinton’s best chance at a win tonight. This race bears watching now just for the margin — can Clinton even keep it close? Judging by how easy it was to call, this could be a blowout. It’s hard to imagine it will be any closer in Maryland (and certainly not DC).
Early indications are that Obama carried white men, an important swing group that Obama has had trouble with. Not tonight, apparently. Add that to winning nine out of 10 African-Americans, and there’s your ballgame.
The wave is building. Quickly and strongly.
6:55 pm ET: The Solis Doyle thing is bubbling up among Latinos. So far, it looks like the pot is being stirred by Obama folks, so it’s hard to tell how much it’s resonating. But it’s out there.
6:19 pm ET: Kevin – you’re right about Obama’s advantages in Virginia. But it remains the biggest wild card of a not so wild day — and remember the context here, if she loses big in three more states, she is 0 for her last 8. That’s officially a slump.
5:55 pm ET: If anything is going to be interesting tonight — watch Virginia. That’s Sen. Clinton’s best chance to keep it close, if not pull an upset, and Sen. McCain’s weakest state. It’s the first to have polls close — about an hour from now — and the results could dictate tonight’s/tomorrow’s coverage.
5:46 pm ET: And on the Republican side, from Mr. Langer — "A third of voters in the Virginia Republican primary and three in 10 in Maryland describe themselves as ‘very’ conservative, up sharply in both states compared with 2000 – especially in Virginia, where ‘very’ conservatives have nearly doubled as a share of the electorate."
"Also in Virginia, nearly half are evangelicals, substantially higher than their share of the Republican voters in Maryland."
5:36 pm ET: EXIT POLLS — Among Virginia and Maryland Democrats, we’re seeing Democrats showing up for "change," as well as big liberal turnout in Virginia and big turnout among black voters in Maryland. This from ABC’s Gary Langer:
"Preliminary exit poll results find that majorities of Democratic voters in Virginia and Maryland alike are saying the top attribute they’re seeking in a candidate is the one who can ‘bring needed change.’ The number of ‘change’ voters in these states is not the highest we’ve seen this year, but certainly at the high end."
"In Virginia, liberal voters are turning out in higher numbers than previously – they’re accounting for just over half of voters in these preliminary data, up from 44 percent in the primary in 2004. About three in 10 are African-Americans, and, as in other Democratic primaries this year, well over half are women. A third of all Democratic voters are from northern Virginia, the more moderate-to-liberal region of the commonwealth."
"In Maryland, African-Americans account for just under four in 10 voters, similar to the level in 2004. Later data will tell us if it goes any higher – if so it could be the highest black turnout in the state in exit polls going back to 1980."
Very interesting for what it suggests about tonight’s results…
5:26 pm ET: Apologies to any coffee drinkers I might have offended — just trying to spark some discussion — but don’t think such backdrops happen by accident. I should also note that this particular Dunkin’ Donuts is a really upscale one, with a deli and everything. It’s probably nicer inside than the Starbucks, on balance.
In any event, I found it amusing to see a campaign event that I’m very familiar with, after spending so much time in Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, etc…
5:20 pm ET: A word on the Republican Race that Will Not End… Is there a magic number for Mike Huckabee to be taken seriously as a candidate again? Surely if he wins enough contests he’s not supposed to… BUT the math is the math. Huckabee has no path to the nomination — John McCain is simply too far out in front in the delegate count. So he’ll continue to be a vessel for conservative discontent, but little more than an annoyance for John McCain.
How bad is it for McCain? On balance — he’s been through a lot worse. Surely he’d rather be concentrating fully on the general election, without stories about how Huck is continuing to raise eyebrows. But maybe McCain is getting some more free media exposure by even being part of contests at all.
4:55 pm ET: Rick Klein here from ABC’s The Note — I’ll be live-blogging tonight as the returns roll in from the "Potomac Primary" — Maryland, Virginia, and the District of Columbia. Obviously, we’re all expecting a big night for Barack Obama — but maybe that sets the evil expectations game in motion just enough so that Hillary Clinton can do well if she just keeps in close in one of the three jurisdictions.
Also, since this is a home game for DC-based reporters like myself, I feel compelled to offer a tiny observation from the trail. This morning Obama and DC Mayor Adrian Fenty visited a Dunkin’ Donuts on Capitol Hill. This is my neighborhood — near Eastern Market — and when that DD went in, it sparked quite a conversation, since it was directly across the street from a Starbucks. So you can define yourself by your coffee (and the connotations it brings); in my mind Dunkin’ Donuts is for the working man who wants a cup of joe and a doughnut, the Starbucks if you wear a tie to work and want a double soy macchiato vanilla expresso (or whatever they call the fancy-pants drinks).
Which do you think Obama would rather frequent, if he weren’t a candidate? And which image do you think he wanted conveyed to DC voters on the news today?
I should also note that the Starbucks is a Magic Johnson Starbucks — reason enough for Obama to stay away (Magic has campaigned for Clinton).
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Obama is doing it to make up for the shot he took at Dunkin Donuts several days ago in one of his speeches. Remember?
Posted by: Vote4BO | February 12, 2008, 5:13 pm 5:13 pm
Rick – I do have to call also call you on that comment. I’m sure it was intended to spark conversation, but it does sound like a loaded comment. I’m sure you’ll clarify. Also, being a VA resident, I’m really looking forward to tonight’s results.
Posted by: Kevin | February 12, 2008, 5:13 pm 5:13 pm
Gee, what a surprise, another chance for someone to talk about B.O. MAJOR B.O. FATIGUE!!!!!
Posted by: irma | February 12, 2008, 5:22 pm 5:22 pm
I cannot believe you guys are going to nominate someone who hasn’t been looked at thoroughly…oh wait he’s funded by Soros and the Chicago mafia
Posted by: plainsm | February 12, 2008, 5:41 pm 5:41 pm
Exit poll demos are not too surprising, but definitely look good for Obama. If he puts up solid 55-60% wins, it will hard for Clinton to put a good spin on it. If Obama can rack up an impressive state count, coupled with the close delegate count and popular vote, I think he makes a compelling case. I read that Pelosi wants to be part of the leadership team that steers the nomination through the superdelegates, and is leaning towards Obama. If you look at top of the ticket, I don’t think Clinton helping Dem candidates in CA, NY, NJ, MA is going to cut the mustard vs. Obama boosting red state turnout.
Posted by: Kevin | February 12, 2008, 6:02 pm 6:02 pm
I agree VA will be interesting, but remember it is an open primary and indys and even Repubs can vote in the primary by simply asking for the Dem ballot. That in itself should boost Obama. From what I’ve seen here, there isn’t much Clinton love in VA (certainly not enough for an upset or even a face-saving), but I’ve been wrong before.
Posted by: Kevin | February 12, 2008, 6:14 pm 6:14 pm
Did you all see the comments today from Pennsylvania governor and major Clinton supporter, Ed Rendell, suggesting yet again in Team Clinton’s oh-so-subtle manner that “some white Pennsylvanians are likely to vote against her rival Barack Obama because he is black”?
Lord love a duck, this is getting disturbing….
Posted by: Tom P. | February 12, 2008, 6:16 pm 6:16 pm
Red States are still red states. Idaho, South Carolina and Utah will not be voting for Mr. Obama in the general. Just ain’t gonna happen.
Posted by: Bill | February 12, 2008, 6:18 pm 6:18 pm
You’re probably right, Bill, but there *are* just enough reddish to leaning-purple states (think Colorado, for one example) where Obama’s prairie/mountain appeal just might pay big dividends in a close race….
Posted by: Tom P. | February 12, 2008, 6:21 pm 6:21 pm
well you might be surprised, heck ike,s granddaughter is backing obama and she is a big time republican, my brother-in-law has voted republican for 30 years he is going to vote for obama, so.
Posted by: frank | February 12, 2008, 6:23 pm 6:23 pm
Virginia has been a red state bordering blue states, turnout today could show that Obama can break the blue/red/purple barrier.
Posted by: Kevin | February 12, 2008, 6:32 pm 6:32 pm
given colorado’s preference for decidedly anti-liberal and anti-American laws and statutes, I think they’re gonna go with whichever candidate is least liberal
Posted by: chris | February 12, 2008, 6:35 pm 6:35 pm
Perhaps, Chris, but Coloradans tend increasingly to vote more independent/libetarian than anything else these days, and if McCain should come to be perceived as having sold his soul to the extreme right to allegedly unite the party, all bets are off in CO.
Posted by: Tom P. | February 12, 2008, 6:39 pm 6:39 pm
Senator Clinton can win: California, Washington, Oregon, Nevada, New Mexico, Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, Vermont, Arkansas, Tennnessee (with Gore’s help), North Carolina (with Edwards’ help), Michigan, and more…
Posted by: chris | February 12, 2008, 6:41 pm 6:41 pm
Until returns come in, on another note the departure of Solis Doyle may prove a problem for Clinton. Appearances are everything and Clinton dropped an Hispanic and replaced her with an African-American. I don’t like it, but Race is on the table now. Does this affect her Hispanic support? Some Latino activists have voiced concerns today.
Posted by: Kevin | February 12, 2008, 6:52 pm 6:52 pm
From across the pond – What are the implications of Pa Governor Rendell’s remarks about white voters not being ready to vote for a black candidate?
Posted by: ian in UK | February 12, 2008, 6:54 pm 6:54 pm
Great question, Ian.
On one hand, I cannot fathom yet *another* Clinton surrogate having the audacity to “play the race card” again so blatantly.
On the other hand, I suspect not a single word is uttered on behalf of Mrs. Clinton — particularly from so prominent a Clinton supporter as Governor Rendell — without the campaign first signing off on it.
It’ll be interesting to see how this plays out. I’ll wager that it was an intentional, desperate, high-risk gambit by Team Clinton to slow Senator Obama’s increasing momentum.
Posted by: Tom P. | February 12, 2008, 7:02 pm 7:02 pm
Ian – Those are just ignorant comments masquerading as commentary by a politician. Yes, there is still a segment of the US population (probably 10-15%) who would not vote for a black candidate out of bigotry. Those comments are viewed mostly as a subliminal attempt to keep the race issue bubbling and perhaps siphon off some of the white votes of which Obama has been winning more and more as the contest progresses. I am a white male, and I voted Obama today. Speaking for myself I find such comments unnecessary. Yes they are possibly true, but I think we should aspire to better.
Posted by: Kevin | February 12, 2008, 7:07 pm 7:07 pm
There are white voters who will vote against Obama simply because he is Black, just as there are Black voters who vote against Hillary because she is White.
That is a fact of life all over this planet. What planet have ya’all been on?
Posted by: John D | February 12, 2008, 7:17 pm 7:17 pm
Wow, the exit polling data shows Obama in VA winning nearly every demo. Clinton may have won southwestern VA, but not a lot of voters or delegates out there. Could be a BIG night for Obama and he looks to take the delegate lead with healthy vote margins. This could be hard for the Clinton camp to spin on top of the weekend losses.
Posted by: Kevin | February 12, 2008, 7:17 pm 7:17 pm
John – The question wasn’t whether it happens – rather why it was said – now – and what the motivation was.
Thanks guys for the responses
Posted by: ianochaye | February 12, 2008, 7:20 pm 7:20 pm
I think the momentum that Obama will build up from 3 more wins tonight (if that happens) will eat in to her lead in Ohio and Texas. And the fact that he is cutting in to her white vote and her female vote is really worrying for the CLinton’s. I can’t imagine that they will go down without a fight of some sort…but it will have to come soon or it may just be too late.
Just on Obama…I have listened to all his speeches on the web, and while they are hugely impressive in terms of delivery I still can’t help feeling that the more I hear from him the less he actually seems to say. I have particularly felt this in the past 2 weeks or so. I think there may be a real chance that if he gets the nomination that people will get a little tired of the sweeping speeches…but maybe not either!
Posted by: Louise | February 12, 2008, 7:21 pm 7:21 pm
Clinton didn’t expect to win these states. Aren’t you guys sick of talking about a wave. Black people vote for Obama. We know that. Caucuses are won by Obama. Now that we are done with most of the states run by caucuses or with large Black electorates, Clinton will do better. Yawn.
The story of the night is Huckabee. Watch him.
Posted by: s.b. | February 12, 2008, 7:34 pm 7:34 pm
Kevin, Tom P., Ian,
The small-minded uncritical thinkers in society will believe whatever is told to them, but TeamObama has reached a place in American citizens that goes beyond this and, based on how they have been letting everyone know in this primary race, they are ready for something more, something better, not bleak – “we are the ones we’ve been waiting for”, Obama accurately proclaims.
Posted by: Cami G. | February 12, 2008, 7:36 pm 7:36 pm
I think you are right, Rick. The Clintons will want to plaster Obama with mud if they feel their grip on the country loosening. By the way, their oh-so-pious reference to Obama being helped by Tony Rezko is just so much hot air. He helps everyone–including them and Bush. Check out the Wikipedia article on Tony Rezko and you will see a picture of him cozily situated between Bill and Hill.
Posted by: jbell | February 12, 2008, 7:39 pm 7:39 pm
Did you see the new Survey USA poll in Ohio (11/12 Feb) puts Clinton ahead by 17%?
Posted by: ianochaye | February 12, 2008, 7:43 pm 7:43 pm
How is Huckabee still winning? Because he majored in miracles, that’s why!! His campaign has been nothing short of miraculous. Something no one likes to talk about (apparently, because it’s so rare to read about it) is how little he has spent on his campaign! If you want to judge who has been the most fiscally conservative with their campaign money, he wins hands down!!
Posted by: April | February 12, 2008, 7:48 pm 7:48 pm
I hope Obama wins the race. Anyone who votes for Clinton should be ashamed of themselves.
Posted by: Caroline | February 12, 2008, 7:48 pm 7:48 pm
Huckabee is winning because McCain is in no way a Conservative. He is a hybrid-Democrat, and TRUE conservatives (the voters) can identify a real conservative off the bat. Huckabee is a much better choice than McCain.
Posted by: Susan Bertalotto | February 12, 2008, 7:48 pm 7:48 pm
Um I don’t know where you learned Math but Huckabee can win if the delegates that voted for Romney vote for him, which ideologically they should. If he wins two of these primaries tonight and you add Romney’s delegate count to his, he is even with McCain. It is absolutely not impossible for him to win. Improbable, yes. Impossible , No.
Posted by: s.b. | February 12, 2008, 7:55 pm 7:55 pm
It’s interesting you think the Clinton camp will go dirty but you say the Obama camp is spreading a smear about Solis-Doyle. Who is it that’s going dirty???
Posted by: s.b. | February 12, 2008, 7:56 pm 7:56 pm
The Primary is one thing…..the General Election will be another.
My concerns is that these red states voting for Senator Obama will convert back during the General Election ….to McCain.
I might can live with him just along as it’s someone new…..24 min or 28 max of Clintons & Bushs gets to be a little much.
Posted by: rdreher1962 | February 12, 2008, 7:57 pm 7:57 pm
Why do people keep asking how it is that Huckabee is doing so well? Why are people not instead asking why it is that party elites and non-cons keep implying that true conservatives should roll over “for the good of the party”? Maybe people just don’t want to be “moderate”.
Posted by: Go Huck! | February 12, 2008, 8:00 pm 8:00 pm
Interesting the republican percentage that voted in this run off as stated by the media, I really wonder if Obama is the chosen one if they will not vote for him once again in the GE.
Posted by: SJ | February 12, 2008, 8:02 pm 8:02 pm
Go Obama. I think that Clinton’s experience premise is fairly shallow, and the voters are seeing that. She is trying to use eight years as first lady as part of her experience factor. Well, that might work if she was wanting to be a tour guide, or a interior decorator. Besides, how is she going to apply her experience factor against McCain?
Posted by: Michael | February 12, 2008, 8:05 pm 8:05 pm
If its experience you are looking for Obama is kind of short on that one against McCain also, so what will you look for next?…. McCain 2008 bookmark it !!!!!
Posted by: SJ | February 12, 2008, 8:08 pm 8:08 pm
McCain has 724ish delegates going into today, he needs 1191 to clinch, or 467 more. As of this morning there are about 1125 remaining delegates so he needs to get 42% of them. Has he been getting 42% recently?
While it may (or may not) be mathematically impossible for Huckabee to clinch before the nomination it is by no means certain that McCain will, yet everyone says it is a mathematical certainty. Not until he starts averaging 42% of the delegates.
Posted by: CurtisP | February 12, 2008, 8:12 pm 8:12 pm
54% in for VA, and Obama up by 30 points. I would think Clinton’s not real happy that her “best hope” for today has crashed. I live in VA and it seems pretty diverse to me, so I think there’s a problem brewing.
Posted by: Kevin | February 12, 2008, 8:14 pm 8:14 pm
Watching and listening to the news in unbelievable. People won’t vote now because, why bother!! CNN, ABC, CBS…. says Obama, Obama, Obama. Clinton should get out of the race now. She can’t do anything right, along with hubby, and her daughter is pimping!!! People in the news have lots of influence and should be very, very, careful. This is more than a big paycheck and watching themselves on t.v. This outcome could change the way the U.S. and the world will move forward in this time of great trouble. Big news of the day, most white men won’t support Clinton. Guess what, most men in general don’t support women unless they have to.
Posted by: Jan S., MI | February 12, 2008, 8:16 pm 8:16 pm
How any Republican can think McCain has a serious chance of winning against either Hillary or especially Obama is beyond me, and Huckabee’s ability to win nationally against them is totally non-existent. Bush won by the thinnest of margins in the past election, and the Republicans have become even less popular since. The MSM has effectively brainwashed a majority of the country into rejecting, in fact hating, the conservatives and anything to do with any “establishment” candidate period. All of whom are portrayed as pro-war and corporatist. This includes Hillary. Hence the rise and continuing success of Obama. So the media has succeeded in promoting the most liberal Republican, McCain, out of now where in order to lose the general election by dividing the party and causing consternation among the base, illustrated by the significantly lower Republican turnouts in these primaries and lack of enthusiasm. Meanwhile the MSM free pass and adoration of Obama results in the political grassroots of the majority of the country not only to rave about him but to also turn out in large numbers to caucus. The entire phenomenon revolving around the word “change”, has tipped the balance to the point that even Hillary, despite all the hatred directed at her, will still prevail simply because there are far more voters viscerally seeking to put an end to the Republican reign than there are Hillary-haters. If Bush won by a margin about 2.9% in the last election, I fully expect Hillary to win by at least that amount if not far more, and Obama winning by double-digit percentages. Unfortunately the fractured Republicans are in for a rude awakening this Nov 2nd.
Posted by: Johnny D. | February 12, 2008, 8:21 pm 8:21 pm
Well they all got what the wanted, but now the worry for Obama is if as reported 30% of those voting in the VA Dem primary were either Independent or Republican, he will not have to think about just where and what can he win in the GE because am very sure all these anxious voters that came out to support him in all these primaries are going to go back home on election day.That is why I am saying McCain 2008 now way anyone can stop that flow now.
Posted by: SJ | February 12, 2008, 8:21 pm 8:21 pm
McCain has *26 LOBBYISTS* working for him as close advisers and fund raisers. 26!!! (Clinton has 11; Obama, 0.) In other words, more of the same old Bush-style “the foxes are in charge of the hen house” malfeasance and corruption from your federal government if McCain gets in — virtually guaranteed.
In fact, the *only* real difference I can see between Bush and McCain is that I’m fairly certain McCain can properly pronounce the word “nuclear.”
Posted by: Tom P. | February 12, 2008, 8:23 pm 8:23 pm
There’s a lot of Dems round here hoping Huckabee can pull it off. McCain vs Obama? Too close to call. McCain vs Clinton? He’d be a marginal favorite. But Huckabee vs either of them? Walkover for the Dems. In terms of electability in November, Obama is easily in the lead (because of his appeal to independents), followed by McCain, then Clinton, with Huckabee a long way behind.
Posted by: Stu, OR | February 12, 2008, 8:25 pm 8:25 pm
McCain will pull it off, one example Florida over a million people voted and their votes don’t count, you really feel come the GE they are not going to be ####### what about all the other Democrats that wanted Hillary more anger their because they feel as if they have gotten the shaft. We have some interesting days to ahead especially now that all the cross over voting is taking place, it is sure starting to look as if this was a well thought out plan to get Hillary off the ticket, and the media did not help either so all I can see a number of angry voters that will show their discontent by either staying home or voting republican.
Posted by: SJ | February 12, 2008, 8:28 pm 8:28 pm
Huckabee is showing the Republicans that voters want a choice, and they want something different than McCain. It’s obvious that if the people want McCain, he would win. The fact that Huckabee is staying neck and neck and winning is the voters trying to get the Republican Party’s attention. “Hey, we will back something else!” Too bad the Republican Party has made up their mind without informing the public.
Huckabee may also be giving every voter a chance to play a part.
Posted by: Jerome | February 12, 2008, 8:28 pm 8:28 pm
Gee big surprise- independents and blacks voted for Obama. Let’s see what happens in Texas when us Latinos are in full force. Texas has more delegates than what Obama will win tonight.
Posted by: Latinos for Hillary | February 12, 2008, 8:31 pm 8:31 pm
Too many of you are stuck on MSM’s comment that VA was Hillary’s “best chance” today. Polls showed that BO has maintained a big lead. And besides, there is a large black and affluent population in VA, which are BO’s base. MSM was just prepping their headlines when they said she had a chance. Now they can say she’s really disappointed, when in reality, they knew all along she wouldn’t win. All the channels are covering this like it’s somewhat of a surprise.
Posted by: flynn64 | February 12, 2008, 8:32 pm 8:32 pm
Yep independents giving one candidate a jump over the other sure sounds like a very fair exercise, and this has been the case all along with this thing, the democrats really need to fix their system something seems to be broken in their electoral process.
Posted by: SJ | February 12, 2008, 8:34 pm 8:34 pm
Whether it’s Hillary OR Barack, I’ll be WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORTING the successful Democratic candidate, because THE LAST THING America and the world needs or can tolerate, is a continuation of the breathtakingly corrupt, dangerously incompetent Bush administration — which is *precisely* what we’ll get with John McCain.
Posted by: Tom P. | February 12, 2008, 8:37 pm 8:37 pm
63% of Repub vote in VA and McC has a 3.5% lead. Urban counties are later coming in and should favor McC, so I think his margin of victory may be slim, but will hold.
Posted by: Kevin | February 12, 2008, 8:38 pm 8:38 pm
I think the republicans better show up for the real vote
Posted by: ANTHONY J BOOKHAMER | February 12, 2008, 8:38 pm 8:38 pm
I am not surprised at the outcome am I expected it am just disgusted with the process Republicans and independents selecting a candidate or having a say on who should be the democratic front running, no wonder its so hard to put a democrat in the white house. The entire process is a joke.
Posted by: SJ | February 12, 2008, 8:38 pm 8:38 pm
70% of Dem votes in VA, and Obama up by 30%. Again, urban counties coming in late figure to boost him. Winning Latinos is interesting news.
Posted by: Kevin | February 12, 2008, 8:40 pm 8:40 pm
Rick…Judging from the electoral map Clinton seems to have won the less economically advantaged voters…they are in essence her base…those that earn under 50,000. On a bad night, surely this would be something to keep her hopes up for Texas and Ohio (and Pennsylvania). And I have to agree with flynn64 above…Obama was expected to win, Clinton didn’t REALLY have that much of a chance here. Her back is up against the wall but I wouldn’t write her off yet.
On a slight off-shoot…I was in a shop today when I overheard a conversation between 2 shop assistants about which candidate they were supporting. One of the guys said he was supporting Obama because he was for Change but when the other asked what kind of change he could bring the guy couldn’t answer. I thought it was interesting!
Posted by: Louise | February 12, 2008, 8:47 pm 8:47 pm
Rick Klein and Kevin — Any thoughts on the implications of today’s Potomac voting for OH, TX and, later, PA? Do you think we’re finally seeing one candidate (Obama) decisively “break out,” or is it more likely yet another in a series of seesawing electoral feints?
I know neither of you has a crystal ball, but as you’re both very knowledgeable and well informed, I’d be interested to hear your takes on it….
Posted by: Tom P. | February 12, 2008, 8:48 pm 8:48 pm
I’m a Republican who pulled a Democratic ballot in Georgia and voted for Obama, and will vote for him in the presidential election too. Why? Because I think he can unite the country like no one else in more than a generation. My differences with his liberal policies are far outweighed by what I think he could do for US as a country. Should Hillary win the ticket, well I guess it’s back to the old us versus them hate game. I’ll fight like hell to make sure that self centered idiot doesn’t win the oval office. Let’s be honest, the Clinton’s and their crap are at least half responsible for all the intense hate for eachother we’ve developed over the last 16 years.
Posted by: Jeffy | February 12, 2008, 8:49 pm 8:49 pm
Romney sitll has his delegates. Huckabee wiil never get them.
Huckabee didn’t need money for campainging all he has to do is phone the preachers they take care of the rest at their churches….
Posted by: Janie | February 12, 2008, 8:54 pm 8:54 pm
Welcome, Jeffy. We’re extremely honored to have you join us.
Posted by: Mark | February 12, 2008, 8:58 pm 8:58 pm
I am one of those VA Indies who chose a democratic ballot though I more often than not vote republican. I cast my vote for Obama, not so much as a vote for Obama, but as a vote against Hillary. I will probably vote Republican in the Nov. election.
Posted by: genlin | February 12, 2008, 8:59 pm 8:59 pm
How Evangelical churches blatantly hold rallies, invite candidates to speak in their churches, and allow their professional preachers to openly endorse candidates from the pulpit? This is against the law! The IRS should be investigating these churches and pulling their tax-exempt status.
Posted by: dajetigabe | February 12, 2008, 9:05 pm 9:05 pm
Thanks for being honest genlin, am sure come Nov you will have a lot of democratic doing the same voting republican against Obama
Posted by: SJ | February 12, 2008, 9:07 pm 9:07 pm
Tom – At the risk of sounding like MSM, the biggest impact will be momentum. The margin of tonight’s win coupled with the weekend would make an 8 state run for Obama, and if he gets HI and WI, 10 states. Those numbers sound like a winner. Clinton needs to change the narrative, and I agree with Rick that things will start to get nastier. OH and TX present different demos than today. PA may be more similar to VA, but there are more blue-collar votes there. At this point, I would predict Clinton to take TX by a small margin and split delegates. OH is a toss-up and again a delegate split. Given tonight’s results, I could see PA trending to Obama (Rendell’s comments may also backfire and drive votes to Obama). Clinton can win the big cities (Philly, Pburgh) and western PA, but Obama takes the rest.
Posted by: Kevin | February 12, 2008, 9:07 pm 9:07 pm
The people are finally speaking, and they are saying that they do not want HIllary as the nominee. Meaning we have seen the end to the Clinton’s.
McCain is the front runner and Huckabee needs to step aside and stop living in a fanatasy world.
Posted by: Christina | February 12, 2008, 9:14 pm 9:14 pm
The Time Is Now.Obama Obama Obama
How Long Not Long. My Eyes Have Seen The
Glory Of The Coming of The Lord
Posted by: joseph | February 12, 2008, 9:16 pm 9:16 pm
Rick – It does seem foreboding that Obama keeps picking up in more demo areas. There is also a difference between not winning and lopsided blowouts. I also think Clinton doesn’t help herself by fleeing states she doesn’t win, without even so much as a “thanks for your help” speech.
Posted by: Kevin | February 12, 2008, 9:17 pm 9:17 pm
Thanks, Rick and Kevin, for your insights.
And if you’ll permit me to return to the well just one final time tonight, may I ask you both:
Despite my great affection for underdogs, I continue to wonder why Governor Huckabee stays in. What is his end game? Any thoughts?
Thanks very much in advance.
Posted by: Tom P. | February 12, 2008, 9:17 pm 9:17 pm
Why isn’t this blog easier to find from the main ABC page?! I had to look on the politics page.
Posted by: Gothamite | February 12, 2008, 9:18 pm 9:18 pm
Does anyone know why there are no returns being reported from DC?
Posted by: michael | February 12, 2008, 9:20 pm 9:20 pm
Stay out of Texas Obama. We don’t want you down here. This is Clinton Country!
Posted by: Felipe G. | February 12, 2008, 9:20 pm 9:20 pm
Notwithstanding the winning streak since Super Tuesday, Barack Obama is still trailing Hillary Clinton when counting the states won in ELECTORAL VOTES like in the general election.
Posted by: Angel | February 12, 2008, 9:22 pm 9:22 pm
I take exception to Christina in that I think America IS ready for a female or black president – or both for that matter (Condie Rice?). There are many capable women who would make a good president- Gov. Sebelius of Kansas and Sen. McCaskill of MO come to mind. I just think that Hillary comes will too much baggage (ie. Bill) to appeal to many Americans who have little to no respect for him.
Posted by: dajetigabe | February 12, 2008, 9:23 pm 9:23 pm
Re: why Huckabee stays in…when he finaly looses doesen’t he get to keep campaign donations? Which the longer he stays the more he will have.
Posted by: Janie | February 12, 2008, 9:23 pm 9:23 pm
Hey Felipe- I second that notion—that is: “Stay out of Texas Obama”. We don’t want your liberal day dreaming here! Texans for Hillary! EL PASO is Clinton Country!
Posted by: John D. | February 12, 2008, 9:23 pm 9:23 pm
Seriously, where are the DC results?
Posted by: rmh | February 12, 2008, 9:24 pm 9:24 pm
In Virginia with 76% of the votes in – Obama is leading 63% to Hillary’s 36%. Everyone said he could not do it. But Hillary keeps making the same mistake. She says she is concentrating on the Larger delegate blue states only. She is telling the Democrats in the smaller delegate states and in the red states that they do not matter. Well, Maybe the voters will prove her wrong. Obama08
Posted by: Angie | February 12, 2008, 9:28 pm 9:28 pm
But Angel, there’s no guarantee Senator Clinton *or* Senator Obama would or could win all of those same states’ (which Clinton won) electoral votes in the general election. Take Tennessee, Nevada and Oklahoma for example, none of which is a slam-dunk for the Democrats in November….
Posted by: Mark | February 12, 2008, 9:28 pm 9:28 pm
The DC area has a really nasty ice/sleet thing going on right now (the kids are hoping for a snow day tomorrow). Maybe they decided to keep the polls open longer like Maryland did because of the weather.
Posted by: genlin | February 12, 2008, 9:28 pm 9:28 pm
Do you all get the sense that when actual dems vote, Obama wins?
Posted by: Ajay Gupta | February 12, 2008, 9:32 pm 9:32 pm
Tom – It’s all about leverage. With tonight’s results, McC is no doubt the nominee (and has been presumptively since Super T). Huckabee’s campaign helped McC by siphoning votes from Romney. There are many things which Huckabee could do after these primaries (all of which he denies): the VP slot on the McC ticket (he has said or done nothing to prevent this, and has in fact spoken well of McC); run for the Senate; position himself for a run in 2012 or later.
My thinking is that he will drop out soon and endorse McC. The Southern states/Midwest primary wins burnished his reputation and gave him national attention. Think of him as the Republican version of John Edwards.
Posted by: Kevin | February 12, 2008, 9:35 pm 9:35 pm
Virginia now has 83% of the Votes in with Obama still leading at 63% and Hillary trailing at 36%.
“This is not a Conservative America. This is not a Liberal America. This Is The UNITED States Of America!” Obama08
Posted by: Angie | February 12, 2008, 9:36 pm 9:36 pm
My vote in Florida don’t count so who cares I can vote Republican now that my pick does not seem like she is going to make it.
Posted by: SJ | February 12, 2008, 9:39 pm 9:39 pm
Rick – Again the MD exit polls show Obama winning in almost every demo. I think he is showing that he can win almost anywhere, and the coalition is growing. That said, the delegate count will still be close, so how do the party honchos broker this out? I don’t see Clinton gracefully bow out or take the back seat VP slot.
Posted by: Kevin | February 12, 2008, 9:52 pm 9:52 pm
“You can fool some of the people all the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on.”
by George W. I can see Obama is a true follower. If you check obama’s record, it’s the same old dirty politics. Just what this country needs is a motivational speaker that follows George Bush…
Posted by: leon | February 12, 2008, 9:56 pm 9:56 pm
Are Felipe and Janie the real Texas? Are you so sure you are right that you cannot bear someone with different views coming to your town? Or are you scared you might be losing the argument?
I believe the real America is the one with the broad and tolerant attitude and the “yes we can” approach.
Posted by: ianochaye | February 12, 2008, 9:56 pm 9:56 pm
Is it not a little early and presumtive to be talking about Hillary stepping aside? Their delegate counts are not wildly out and she has the real possibility of making it up. Lets not get carried away.
Posted by: Louise | February 12, 2008, 9:57 pm 9:57 pm
It’s clear that the Clintons — this time via today’s callous, unbelievably classless comments by PA Governor Ed Rendell — are now willing to sacrifice their once-stellar relationship with black voters in the name of political expediency.
So I’m wondering: Does this mean that a white person who’s willing to cynically manipulate black people for personal gain, only to turn on them ruthlessly when things don’t go their way, will henceforth be known as an “Uncle Bill”?
Posted by: Mark | February 12, 2008, 10:04 pm 10:04 pm
..from previous.
With blue states vs red states of previous general elections the Democrats had a solid 100 plus ELECTORAL VOTES (270 to win) in states like CA, NY, PA, MA and NJ while competing in states like FL and OH. Since Barck Obama lost some of those primaries with big margin, it is likely one or more of those states will be in play in the general election with Obama candidacy. Facing John McCain with a pro-immigration position and popular among independents, it is scary no having a strong candidate in states with big ELECTORAL VOTES like CA, NY, FL and Texas with huge number of Latino voters who are not embracing Obama candidacy so far.
Posted by: Angel | February 12, 2008, 10:06 pm 10:06 pm
McCain’s speech does not look good juxtaposed with Obama’s.
Posted by: michael | February 12, 2008, 10:07 pm 10:07 pm
A great night for Obama. I was proud to take part in it, in my own little one-vote way.
Posted by: Paul | February 12, 2008, 10:07 pm 10:07 pm
Rick – I think Pelosi may be the one to talk to Clinton. She has the power base (House Democrats aka superd.s) to make the call. She and Reid will have to make it clear that they will need Obama at the head of the ticket to maintain down-ticket majorities. Lieberman is now with McCain, will he continue to caucus with Dems?
Of course, the Clintons will fight tooth and nail, and I predict a still messy convention even if the superd.s flow to Obama. Expect a big to-do re FL and MI.
Posted by: Kevin | February 12, 2008, 10:11 pm 10:11 pm
I must admit – Obama is the real deal. It took me awhile to see that he was not just a flash in the pan. I have many Democratic friends that will not vote for Clinton. I am a Republican. However, I will give Obama a close look over McCain. If we are going to have a liberal in the White House I want them to be obvious. Under no circumstances, however, would I vote for Clinton – I don’t care how often she breaks down and cries for votes…. I respect Mr. McCain but as a former U.S. Marine and Viet Nam veteran, I have significant issues with the “stay in Iraq at any cost” doctrine. I see a lot of John Kennedy in Obama and it makes me proud to be part of the American system of democracy. I think I can speak for many moderate Republicans when I say: “Don’t loose your focus, Barack. Don’t listen to the DNC or the democratic liberal influence machine – don’t alter your message or your spirit – and you may very well get my vote.”
Posted by: JWB | February 12, 2008, 10:15 pm 10:15 pm
Thank you, JWB. *Thank you.*
You make me believe in the promise of America again.
Posted by: Scott | February 12, 2008, 10:21 pm 10:21 pm
Congrats on the new and future way to get up to the minute news. Real-time blogs have a tremendous future.
I also am a Republican who pulled a Democratic lever for Obama, but I don’t whisper the fact.
Obama is the only real choice for us long suffering citizens who want a better political process.
Not since Jack Kennedy has such a talented politician come on the scene.
I hope and pray it will not take another 50 years to see it again and I sincerely believe Obama is absolutely right about the critical need for his type of politics – now.
Posted by: R Trecker | February 12, 2008, 10:21 pm 10:21 pm
And to you as well, R Trecker, I say thank you, and welcome to the team!
Posted by: Scott | February 12, 2008, 10:25 pm 10:25 pm
ianochaye
I think you’ve got Janie mixed with somebody else I haven’t said a word about Texas, not anywhere close to Texas.
Posted by: Janie | February 12, 2008, 10:27 pm 10:27 pm
The Wall Street Journal has an interesting article touching on Democratic/Texas’s delegates. Seemingly Texas for Hillary is but an Alamo stand: the 31 Senate districts among which the Texas delegates are divided –if I understand it correctly, the matter complicated — have the allcation of delegates tied to the historical voting patterns, the African Americans voting at higher rates that the Hispanic population voting. And some of tonight’s voting showing Obama doing better than Clinton among Latinos. Hmmmmm. . . . . My take: Hillary loses Texas and thus her effort to become the Democratic nominee.
Posted by: Greg Hock | February 12, 2008, 10:35 pm 10:35 pm
considering Senator Clinton is the best President for our children, I’m gonna say she’s in it to win it…..
Posted by: chris | February 12, 2008, 10:45 pm 10:45 pm
It is not over until….
Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are separated by fewer than 75 delegates with 1500 delegates (including Super delegates) up for grab and the candidate needs 800 delegates or 55% to reach 2025 total delegates. I expect the FL and MI delegates to be counted or they will have new primaries to avoid alienating those voters and giving away those 2 states to the Republican.
Posted by: Angel | February 12, 2008, 10:48 pm 10:48 pm
I hope so Angel because if they don’t do something am voting for McCain that is for sure, I don’t see why they allow Indies and Republican to vote in open run offs, when they have no idea if these persons voting have hidden agendas and then say the FL democratic votes don’t count that is madness. Obama is quick to say the supers should not direct this election but yet he is silent on what has happened to Fl because its not in his favor, well I want my vote to count and if it does not am switching sides big time.
Posted by: SJ | February 12, 2008, 10:56 pm 10:56 pm
YES WE CAN and WE DID!
Posted by: Deanna G. | February 12, 2008, 11:08 pm 11:08 pm
I am amazed at the things some Americas get caught up in…the list is endless…supporting war under Bush comes to mind and now the ridiculous way people react to Barack Hussein Obama –it makes America seem stupid to world to chase a guy who does not have substance only talk…if he makes it to Presidential race he will lose..I for one do not trust the guy and rather go Republican
Posted by: dellee | February 12, 2008, 11:51 pm 11:51 pm
I am A LOT more confident that Senator Clinton can beat mccain, which is absolutely essential if we want America to get back on track towards a better future for all of us, especially those in uniform….
Posted by: chris | February 13, 2008, 1:45 am 1:45 am
These blogs are interesting. Some express their passion for one candidate over the other. Experience with the Clinton machine for eight years, has taught me not to trust them. On the other hand I still believe this country can do anything..Separation from the Clinton’s is needed to move forward..
Posted by: LaRhue Williams | February 13, 2008, 1:50 am 1:50 am
I don’t get everyone, Hillary wasn’t considered the front runner after super Tuesday when she was ahead by more delegates than Obama is now. people are being swept up in to something and yet do we really know this guy at all? I think that is the issue, we all know Hillary really well, but Obama, I know little about, similar to before our current mess in the white house won. Obama is on a pedestal and I think we need more info. Also, I think it is ridiculous to say that Hillary is out of the race and should step down. There is a lot of time left. The political media is never in the middle, if someone doesn’t win a state, their campaign is going in the toilet, but then they win one and they are on top again. It’s crazy, are you all bi-polar?
I wish people would realize, yes change is great, but 1 person isn’t going to change Washington politics. I grew up and still live in the DC area, and dated someone who worked for a Senator, so I saw it first hand, and its a very shady business. Hillary knows how to handle politicians, and I think if Obama wins he is in for a rude awakening.
Also, has anyone realized that Obama wasnt in Washington when the original vote was made to go to war? So yes, he can say he never supported going to war from the beginning, because he wasnt a Senator at the time! He didnt get the information Hillary and other members were given. Think about it!
I have voted Democratic in every presidential election I have been able to vote, but if Obama is the candidate, unless he can show me something, I am voting for McCain.
Posted by: tj274 | February 13, 2008, 2:00 am 2:00 am
Congradulations Potomac, you are proof that America has fell in love with Obama and fewer and fewer of us are playing hard to get. Hillary and Bill have prove to be great sparring partners for Barack, getting him ready for the general election. If he can beat the “Three Little Bears”, he’ll prevail in the general election.
Posted by: Dutchboy52 | February 13, 2008, 2:59 am 2:59 am
Hillary is the best candidate to bring order and change. She is the most capable of defeating Mccain. I’m sure she can win it against republican because of the economy, Iraq war, her health care plans, and more are very appealing to many people. On the contrary, Obama may win the primary but not the GE. Many democrats like me would not support him. Here is why: He doesn’t have enough experiece to take on the most difficult job in the world. secondly, I’m very disgusted by many of his supporters, african americans(AA), upscale supporters, independents and bias media. I’m sure I share this sentiment among many democrats. AA supports him at least 80% and sometimes over 90% im most of states. This is rediculous and racist. Upscale supporters don’t care about winning the WH as long as they are cool. Many of the independents are actually republicans that will vote for mccain in GE. And the media, we all know that most of them are bias against Hillary. The good thing is, this is not over yet. Hillary is a fighter and in the next primaries are much more diverse and working class democrats. Go Hillary you are the only REAL HOPE of this country and you know that. Please fight harder because this is not for you this is for America and our future.
Posted by: art | February 13, 2008, 7:53 am 7:53 am
Mrs Clinton has lost some steam! She looks like she is fatigued. Can she rebound from all of Obama’s wins. I don’t think so! Maybe she should sit back and wait for another run in four years. Mrs Clinton has clearly been out campaigned. I say for the sake of the party she should throw in the towel. Obama will then have some issues that she can focus on. Go Hillary 2012!
Posted by: latrice | February 14, 2008, 2:02 pm 2:02 pm