Rangel: Hillary’s Obama Attack Was a Dud

I think Rangel is totally right here. It didn’t work, she was boooed loudly, and she hasn’t the wit in the first place to deliver lines like that. And anyone serious about politics shakes his/her head when seeing a White House candidate embrace such irrelevant phrases in a crucial debate that’s being watched by millions of Americans who ARE dedicated to politics and the coming election.

i think once the msm actually covers all the internet comments about hillary “lifting” lines from her husband and john edwards — right after accusing barack of doing it — she may have to put her tail between her legs for the hypocrisy of it all…

The primary virtue of Hillary’s claim that Obama is “Change you can Xerox” is that it is true. It hurt Obama where he lives and that’s why it’s still being discussed. BTW, if you’ve watched the Deval version, you know he delivers Axelrod’s lines better than Obama does.

Next time President Bush reads a speech done by his speechwriter, he should save a part for references and credits…. this is crap. Obama has some good lines on Hillary’s experience that he’s not using. Hillary would win if she focused on why she’s good and not on why Obama is bad. The thing is, when you say Obama has no experience, it’s insulting to a lot of people who read extensively.
Better for her to say, he has less experience than me. When will she learn this? Most of the hardest experience gained by the Clinton White House was self-inflicted. Baby boomers need to realize that a new generation of people is available, just like there was in the 1960s. This new generation sees the world differently, gets information differently and communicates differently. They also know that most of the negative stuff their parents and grandparents told them about black people is not really true. People who were in kindergarten when Bill Clinton came to office are voters now. The world has changed. An interesting survey on whether there are more black cardiologists than there are black NBA stars gave very different answers for different age groups and it tells the whole story. I’m not saying all baby boomers are racist or that Hillary is racist, far from it. I’m just using the race thing as an example of how subtle changes have taken place in 2 decades and they have profound impact on perception. Enough said!

Hillary has borrowed some lines AND BILL’S EXPERIENCE. His term in the White House does not equal experience for her. I even heard her say that she had “negotiated agreements” in Croatia or Bosnia…couldn’t believe it. What a fake!

The fact of the matter is he lifted an entire speech and tried to pass it off as his own, he would of if someone did not notice and brought it out in the open.
Now you are all spinning around it trying to make silly excuses that it was not a big deal what he did. No one would of said a word if it was a line or two but geez the entire speech word for word come on now!!!
Did MLK, JFK, Malcom X all these people that Obama is taking lines from copy others, they were orignals and their speeches last us through the years.
If Obama wants to image his self after these great leader then for crying out loud at least give the public something of your own, not a second hand speech from another man that is your friend that he used to win the post he was running for,
In doing so Obama comes off as a phony trying to make mileage on another man’s ability and not standing on his own, I don’t know how in heavens name anyone can defend that.

Hillary Clinton was just pathetic. She should drop up with dignity, NOW.

Tapper,
I have to agree with Charlie Rangel. I was one of the Hillary supporters spewing early about the plaigirism compliant. However, we immediately learned from the Wisconsin results that this is not something the electorate cares about one iota. It’s not a deep felt issue. She better get down with the deep felt issues like yesterday or she’s headed to toast. I don’t know who’s coaching her, but they are not paying attention to the real data. At any rate, Wisconsin results should have indicated to her that she needed to drop that tactic. Now it just looks like sour grapes on her part.

I wonder of Mr. Rangel and Mrs. Clinton, whom is the most pathetic: why does he still support her?

“Change you can Xerox.” Yup, that is Barka, Just words, just speeches. and “Change you can xerox. Obama is going to pull our troops out day one with little or no casulaties and yet as a Senator on the Foreign Relations Committee he has never traveled to Iraq or Afghanistan to meet with the troops and the commanders in the field. So Ishould belive that he is the strongest Commander-in-Chief on day one,stronger than Clinton who has visited Iraq and Afghanistan several times as has McCain. On day two, Obama is going to talk to Raul Castro and day 3, there will be free elections in Cuba. Right. Vote for Obama and climb on the Magic Yellow Subermarine.

OH come on…..let the Obama “dud” attack die. Any one with a critical, intelligent, insightful mind cannot deny that Hillary was the CHAMPION last night. Even Obama’s cheerleaders from CNN gave Hillary a bit of a complimentary review which is a surprise to many who have been wise enough to recognize the media’s responsibility for the so called Obama “momentum”.

The fact that Barack Obama re-used a couple of lines from his friend isn’t really a big deal to most people. Most people find the Iraq war, economy, or Americas faltering education and trade standing in the world as more important than who got what lines from where. Martin Luther King’s thoughts and ideas were heavily influenced by Mohandas Gandhi and Henry David Thoreau, and on occasion, he borrowed their words and ideas to inspire his audience into action. Even Dr. Kings famous, “I Have a Dream” speech bears heavy resemblance to a speech given years earlier by Reverend Archibald Carey, Sr., a personal friend of King’s. Does any of this sound familiar?
The fact that Mrs. Clinton was recently perceived to have borrowed lines from her husband, who probably borrowed them from someoe else would not be a big deal and would have gone unnoticed if not for the fact that she called Obama out on it saying it was unauthentic for him to do such a thing. This not only makes her unauthentic–it makes her a hypocrite as well, which is something people hate far, far worse.

Of course it was a dud as is the whole line of *attack*…it’s desperation from a desperate candidate who will do anything to try to win.
The Clintons plan is about health INSURANCE, not health CARE.
Their plan revolves around evening out the risk pool for private FOR-PROFIT insurance companies.
They will force us to buy a FOR-PROFIT product from a private company so that company’s profit margin will stay high.
Is that even constitutional?
And there is no comparison to direct pay government programs like SS/Medicare to these plans. In those plans, the government collects taxes to directly pay recipients or health CARE providers thereby cutting out the for-profit insurance companies.

The line did backfire. The whole accusation was ineffectual – most people thought it was no big deal to do that, and some of us thought it showed the Clinton’s campaign’s desperation.
Also, Mrs Clinton is not able to easily be spontaneous, and connect with people. And that of course showed up in the backfiring line.
Infact she sat through the debate with a plastered smile on her face, and so much control its like a mask.
I really can’t trust that in a person.
Can you?

Who says “xerox” anymore?

Clinton Tips Her Hand in Debate
At a time when the biggest story in Washington is about advisers intervening to protect a candidate from himself, Hillary Clinton seems to be intervening to protect herself from her advisers. With all the focus on the campaign’s questionable tactics, finical difficulties, the roll of the former president, and the hand ringing about the potential for a nomination decided by super delegates, pundits may have lost sight of one mitigating factor. Perhaps there is a cool head among the Clinton campaign, Hillary.
Going into Thursday night’s debate, some expected fireworks but most of Clinton’s well rehearsed shots missed their mark. Heralding the opening of “silly season in politics”, Obama was able to side step Hillary’s charge. In a move of political judo, Obama was able to use the strength of his opponents attack against her.
When Clinton tried that “change you can Xerox” line, you could see that even she knew that it wasn’t going come out in “her voice”. The crowd’s reaction was similar to the reaction of voters to the negative politics her campaign has been engaged in since her Iowa defeat. From that moment on things changed, not just in the debate, but in the race itself.
By the end of the debate, Clinton said she was “honored to be [on the stage] with Barack Obama”. The tone that Clinton ended the night on seemed to acknowledge Obama as a historical figure and suggests that she has decided against the so-called nuclear option. A scenario some in her campaign put forward, where she stays in the race until the August convention, clawing away at Obama’s electability, and hoping to convince party insiders to go against the wishes of democratic primary voters.
In the debate’s closing moments Hillary Clinton sounded like a woman with her eye on the party’s future and a disposition to care about her own legacy, even if her husband is no longer concerned with his. The fact that it has taken until now for her to distinguish herself from all the power players around her is one of the reasons for the collapse of her campaign. In coming days an invaluable opportunity arises for Hilary to be graceful in defeat and transform herself into a party unifying elder.
Chris

I don’t mind people copying speeches, but when they use word by word, they should quote who said it first.
Obama did use word by word and he is running more on words then Hillary, this is why he should have quoted his friend, who gave him the line..

The Hillary supporters might want to check out her book, “It takes a Village”. Apparently Hillary didn’t actually write it and she didn’t give credit to the real author, a professor at Georgetown University. My point is that if Hillary wants to attack Obama on the issues, that’s fine. But don’t make up things that could be thrown right back in her face. The American people deserve better. We have people dying in Iraq, people are losing their jobs and homes, our schools are failing. Hillary is out of touch with the American people.

Who under the age of 40 would get the Xerox line anyway?
She would have been much more effective if she has said “cut & paste” or something along those lines.
Not only did the xerox line appear as canned, it was another tone deaf comment from a tone deaf campaign.

It is very simple.
Obama: ” Yes, WE can.”
Hillary: ” Yes, I will.”
He discusses.
She dictates.

“someone fed her a line that didn’t work. That’s all.”
Like someone’s feeding us a platform that will work?
mlk+jfk+rwr+fdr+bjordan+jkerry+tkennedy+?=bho
“change you can clone” vs “the one and only HRC”

My guess is most of the speeches were written by speechwriters and who may have borrowed from others that worked. In any event, the policies and speeches may have been contributed by many in the campaign and outside. It is sad to see Hillary to focus on such silly things. I do not see any significant differences in the policies of each of them. Obama seems to have better approach to implementing them, namely, to get the Country behind him (include Democrats, Republicans and Independents). The Clintons had 8 years to implement their ideas and policies. They have miserably failed, largely due to Hillary’s approach, in implementing universal healthcare, which was their first term mandate. We all know how the second term was wasted (not Hillary’s fault)(combination of Bill and Republicans squandered the time). If Hillary is going to claim credit for Bill Clinton’s achievements, she should also own the opportunities that were missed. It is time for someone with broader perspective to lead the Nation for new heights.
The economic prosperity in Clinton’s term was contributed by many, but primarily by companies like Microsoft, Oracle and Sun that transformed the economy into high efficiency knowledge based one. Gingrich (no matter how much we hate him for his other activities) and the Republicans at the time also contributed substantially. Some of Clinton’s economic team was also good. The Fed also contributed this.
As to question, who is ready to lead the Nation on day one? My answer is none of the present candidates. Mitt Romney perhaps had the best experience for the Presidency. Our only hope is that they will surround themselves with good competent advisors. If how the campaign is conducted is any indication, Obama will do well. He should pick Wesley Clark as VP to boost his military and foreign policy credentials.
McCain has become and bitter old man, who will lie and attack anything and anyone. The previous straighttalk express is now replaced with straight lies. Example, what he said about Romney in Florida and hypocrisy about lobbyist reform, immigration, campaign financing. He was intimately involved the Heating Five and Savings and Loan Disaster of Regan years. Now it seems that he will say anything and do anything to be President. I like the McCain of 8 years ago than the new and improved version that is seeking the presidency.
I am very proud that so many young people are participating in the election process and we should say and do noting to discourage them. They are our future and the future of the world.

it’s like a part in a movie, once you are cast for the negative role, no matter how good you are, your images will always be the ones of the bad part, because the film wants that. That’s what it looks like for Hillary, something has decided that the media will only give bad coverage, the Barack’s followers will fulfill their duties as followers and will project but negative comments.
Why so much negativity?
Isn’t that going to hit back to the people themselves sometimes?
Hillary was good at the Texas debate. The images will stay and will speak for themselves. Comments will disappear. But when will people wake up from their irrational negativity?

Given Barack Hussein Obama’s Arab
background, do you ever wonder where all this money is coming from, and who would really be in charge of the White House?

I don’t see why everyone is making such a big deal, except that they are grabbing at straws to try to find the least thing to attack her with. For all the people who did not understand the xerox comment, she was making a point, HE HAS no original ideas at all, but keeps up the empty promises anyway.

Some people actually believe his only family history is from Kenya, how niave.
Moving on to the subject….
The fact is the xerox comment was the only thing the press could pull out of Hillary’s statement. The press is run by Republicans, they have been told to find anything they can against her, and not to ever say Barack HUSSEIN Obama. They will save all that and other facts until the general election for the Republican party to use against him.

it appears to me a lot of voters are too young to remember how far the middle clas lifestyle improved during the Clinton years, it was the best there has ever been.

Hillary gets a bad rap if she attacks…when she brought up the speech he “borrowed” her marks according to CNN went down…due to all the media hype there are 2 sets of rules one for her and one for him..when she makes a comment he calls it silly when in fact how he got his lines is important when he claims to be original and change it is hard to create charge if you are using same old ways or lines…being backed by same old traditions..Hillary has the media against her..and people even start to say that is a racist comment regardless if he or anyone else makes a sexist comment..Simply stating facts that it did take a President to make the civil rights real is a fact people were forced to accept the change ..words and actions alone could not accomplish this..allowing girls to play with boys in sports only happened when it became law…same thing..not a sexist comment just fact..

I have been saying all along that if anyone is smart they won’t vote for Hillary Clinton. People also must convince the super delegates that this stupid woman will set us all back to the doom and gloom days of the 1970′s (carter era). We don’t want a one size fits all medical insurance and she will make all of us drive the same car. So all you people need to use that brain and stop clinton from ever becoming our commander in chief

I really hoped that the idea of Clinton supporters being uneducated was not true. However, after reading so many of their comments, I am sad to say that I believe it is true. Of course, there may be a few exceptions, but education does not denote intelligence.

Texans are standing up to be counted, standing up to take back our country. Black, Hispanic, White, Asian, Democrats, Republicans, and Independents are saying WE WANT OUR COUNTRY BACK; WE WANT TO END SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS.
20,000 at Houston rally
18,000 at Dallas rally
30,000+ at State Capital lawn in Austin
We are JUST GETTING STARTED DOWN HERE IN THE LONE STAR STATE!
Uh, I heard Hillary filled up a church parking lot in Dallas.

I don’t get what anyone sees in Obama. A future president needs accountability-Obama has none. At least all the other candidates have had some kind of accountability.
His last answer of the debate was a horrid response, that he is able to handle a crisis because he was raised by a single mother, please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Or because HE feels he is qualified to be president, that is why he is running and that was his answer…………..America needs to wake up and FAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dee and Disgusted: When is being raised by a single mother not a legitimate part of someone’s story? Are you trying to say growing up from single-parent home is not difficult? I think many of the Clinton-backers are actually raised up with a silver-spoon so they actually resent somebody who grew up with hardship and is actually a better person than they, and their idol: Hillary, are.

obama’s rhetoric and borrowing it is a testament to his “transparency”—–everybody is starting to see what a fake he is—–the guy can’t even come up with good ideas of his own, just like he can’t think for himself during a debate with Hillary clinton. He needs a TELEPROMPTER to think. Hillary has debated circles around him with her command of the issues and what she plans to do about them. obama just sits there, writng things down on his little pad of paper. All that ever comes out of his mouth is, “let’s be clear about this….”. “Now I want to be clear about this….”, along with a lot of incoherent jarble thrown together, in a monotone that puts a person to sleep. He stutters and hesitates, and is slow in getting his words out. He is not a credible debater or politician. Yeah, change we can believe in—–elect Hillary, not obama. When the Republicans echo the same criticism of obama that the Democrats are, there’s something to it…….LISTEN, people……

2rocker-The question was more about what makes you qualified to handle a crisis. His answer was I was raised by a single mom and abandoned by my father. So most of the general public was raised by a single parent. But that does not make a person more qualified to handle a crisis, such as nuclear threats or making decisive decisions in such serious circumstances.
Talking about being born with a silver spoon, Obama had an oil manager step dad, lived in different countries, his Grandmother sent him to the most prestigious Hawaian private schools. So don’t tell me he had it hard. My parent’s had it harder, my mother was abandoned by her mother when she was young just like Obama was by his father and that was almost 20years before he was born. I did not grow up with a silver spoon and have worked since the day I was legally able to work.
Again, How does being brought up by a single mother and his grandparents make him the man we would want facing down a nuclear attack, or any other serious threat to america that qualifies as a crisis. He should have answered with a crisis that not everyone has had to deal with it thier lives.
For example firefighters face crisis everyday when running into a burning building to save another life. If he had ever done something like that he could have used that as an example. It goes to show he has not much thrown at him in his life, besides his upbringing which was not bad no matter how he paints it. A lot of people have had it worse. He has never had much adversity in his life, no matter what he says, and it goes to question of is he ready to face such threats and adversity that america faces over the years.

I think if a person want to be the leader of a country. This person must be trust worthy. Obama has shown too much of inconsistency. He wear ? flag pin when he goes to Senate and throw it aside when is not. His wife say she felt love this country for the first time. Only because your husband want to be the president. I am a naturalized US citizen. I live here and love this country because it provides us a place we can stay comfortably. Even thought I have oppurtunity to vote on my home country, I didn’t do it, because it belongs to the people who lives there not me. I live here, it’s my country. I would worry to have a guy who is so inconsistent to lead this country. A president represent this country, should not behave like teen ager. “I can do what I want”. Old wisdom always say, “watch what his action instead just listen what he said”. I hope people look from more angles to Mr. Obama. Most of the time, people who get blamed are those who do the works. People who don’t get blamed doesn’t mean he can do the job. Most of the time they don’t. You don’t work, you don’t make mistakes.
Ms. Clinton has shown her wisdom over the years. She is centainly a very capable woman and calm. The country really needs such a person that will make smooth transition especially we are in big trouble economically. Take the war fund to do something else will not solve our problem because we are in debt. We really need to create jobs, conserve the resource to get back to at least where we were before 911. Mr. Obama’s tactic looks so familiar as what had happened in Taiwan. The results is economy is bottom out and a broken country. Thanks for your patience and forgive my poor english.
God bless USA
Vincent Chou

HRC to rescue our economy? Come on…Her campaign is broke and we are in this mess because she voted for a war that has cost us so dearly when we could have wisely spent that money on our own domestic issues.

NONE of Hillary’s attacks have any “substance.” This is part of what makes her so annoying. She’s the ultimate HENPECKER. And it is NOT acceptable for a President, or any position of leadership.

We have all heard the arguments about experience. With a quagmire in Iraq, who knows what’s going on with Afghanistan, a struggling economy, led paint in toys from China and the recent attacks on The U.S. embassy, this is not time for amateurs. This is what eight years of incompetence has brought us and now is the time for serious professionals with proven solutions and plans that can get our country back. While Obama may be a fantastic candidate as Vice President or as president even eight years from now, the problems with our country are not tolerant of another incompetent president for another four years. If we want change in this country we need to look forward to finding a president that can bring experience, knowledge and compassion to the united states. Obama is more of the same.
Eight years ago George W. Bush was elected president not because he was the better fit for president. He wasn’t elected because he could have done a better job than Al Gore. It was a popularity contest. Americans viewed him as the guy that they could have a beer with. I see Barack Obama playing the same card. Stadiums full of people chanting his slogans, hailing him as if he were a golden calf. But when the honeymoon is over is his experience going to produce results or just more of the same? I feel that we need to prove to the American people that we are about more than just popularity. We need to show them that as democrats we are not only about social improvements for Americans, but we want to provide them with a government that the republican party cannot, which is efficient, candid, and most importantly competent.

I had to check with an old timer in order to find out what she meant. I had no idea what a Xerox was. I discovered it is what old people called a copy. She should get up to date. We younger people don’t easily recognize these passe expressions.

Hillary Clinton has lost control of herself and thusly her campaign. She cannot control her anger towards Barrack Obama at all. She is treating him like a child. She is not only outwitted, but she is outclassed by him. He is showing his manners, while she is rude. I noticed in prior debates that she nods her head while he is talking. She used to do that while she is making a speech also. Does she have a medical problem? I’ve noticed she’s stopped that practice in the 19th debate. Someone has obviously told her it looks strange. I wonder what the medical world thinks of her. She is quite strange. She is unpredictable and contradictory in her speech and actions.
She needs to just quit. People are just plain bored and tired of her. Obama acts like he’s just placating her by participating in these debates, because he feels sorry for her. There have never been this many debates. No wonder she has no money left. She’s nuts.