‘Sometimes You Eat the B’ar and Sometimes the B’ar, Wal, He Eats You’ (Or: A Contemplation of Senator Clinton’s Humanity)

I think you haven’t done your job because every other candidate has had his or her weaknesses examined in the pres and vetted but you wont go near Obama’s with a ten foot poll. Black power church, cocaine use, not convening the committee that deals with Afghanistan in the senate while campaigning that it should have been the US primority and that would have been good judgement, no experience, sying he’s invade Pakistan bringing that nation to the brink of marchal law, saying Hillary just drank tea with world leaders, (sexist comments are aok in this campaign), Calls Clinton the senator from the Punjab (Racism ok too as long as its directed at south Asisans) Axelrod blaming her for Bhuto’s death, that’s ok too.
The press hasn’t done it’s job with Obama. As you have pointed out it has done its job with every other candidate.
You know Obama talks about havnig good judgement. Well I know an awful lot of people who haven’t done cocaine. Lots of people who have as well, and I question the judgement of all of them. The man was raised white, priviledged, has two Muslim fathers, like it or not, three parents with PHD’s, hardly a difficult upbringing, went to exclusive private schools and chose to do cocaine. He equaltes himself with MLK, JFK, Linclon, Mandela and even on occassion Moses. But he has done nothing and talks about nothing.
I’m sorry change what???? He has no burning human rights agenda that any of these men did. He hasn’t worked across the isle in the senate like HIllary has. He is the most Liberal senator and has NO history of getting republicans to accept left of the left of the left legislation. He doesn’t even show up most of the time.
If Obama was white he would have been laughed at. If Obama was a woman he would have been scorned. The press HAS NOT DONE ITS JOB. But the Republican Party will. Then this empty suit full of himself and hot air will lose the white house again.
Well done MSM. WEll done.
And no it isn’t fair that you explored every other candidates weaknesses but Obama’s.

Jake,
Maybe it is a new type of Presidential, someone who uses both sides of the brain. We’ve had 44 left-brainers in a row, so the concept of Presidential may be slightly skewed that direction. Forgot on message. She’s fighting a media heck-bent on destroying her, so all bets are off. You want to be able to pin her down. She’s choosing to stay unpinned. Obama, on the other hand, is easy.

I think her bahaviour the last month has shown that from an emotional standpoint she is all over the boar and as far as her antics over the week end….only Joan Collins, does Alexis Colby better.
From her tears, which would NOT bode well for us in tight spots that she would have likely had to deal with if she did happen to win just cannot be allowed. I mean come on Jack. Picture her in tears during a camp David meeting with Heads of State if something did not go her way or someone said something that hurt her. She claims to have been vetted and shown she can take it yet she hasn’t been vetted…where are her tax returns? If your going to claim to let it all hang out, where are the tax returns…oh that’s right it’s going to take some time to pick them up and hand them over..kinda like her personal papers from her 8 years as first lady…she will get to those soon…well good luck with getting those! Like the spouse of an abuser, which she is, we ( the American public) wake up each day wondering who she is going to be today.
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Finally, Obama was put on the spot about the Farrankhan endorsement and his church’s likewise endorsement of Farrankhan. Obama wiggled the best he could to get out of the Clinton attack and had no choice but to reject Farrankhan’s endorsement publicly. I tell you this guy is dangerous!!

What is that, some sort of an eastern thing?

Hillary you are as good as you think you are.
Hillary is a remarkable woman, but she has not proved to be a remarkable politician.
Hilary does not know how lose. She wants to take the Party down with her.
Hillary the harder she works, the worse she does!

All I can say is this, if you want to be the leader of the greatest nation on earth, you have to control your emotions. We can’t afford another emotional President after the incumbent one leaves office. George Bush’s emotions and greed over took his sense of judgment and landed us in Iraq. The end result is an economy in shambles, the injury and death of patriotic Americans. I guess a lot of Americans don’t know that Bush was contemplating another war, he wanted to fight Iran and Sen. Hillary Clinton voted in support his crazy idea. One would think her mistake in Iraq was enough.

With apologies to Molly Ivins, “When she tells you who she is, believe it.”
Hillary has said she’s a COO. Why doesn’t anyone believe her? She’s now demonstrated what happens to a campaign (and feel free to extrapolate to company, government, or anything else) with a COO but no CEO in sight.
As she’s said before, even in college she was certain she didn’t want to be a politician in an elected office – but Bill told her she’d be really good and kept encouraging her. I have no doubt that’s what Bill still believes, but I also have no doubt Hillary should have listened to her inner voice instead. Being a Senator seems to have worked out okay, but it’s not really running things, is it?
Hillary can still do many terrific things, but being President really isn’t how she should best spend her time. It’s like watching a natural violinist insist on only playing the piano. They’re both fine isntruments, and one can make beautiful music on either, so why not go with one’s natural talents?

Hillary is to good for this country. Why? Because she CARES,.

I have never doubted Senator Clinton’s humanity. What I have doubted was her ability to lead this nation as President of the United States.
To put it simply, here penchant to blame others for her own failings is not one of the hallmarks of a strong leader. Much of the negativity about her in the press is there because there is much negative to say . . . whose fault is that?

For God’s sake, now we can’t even say Obama’s middle name?!?!
YOU OBVIOUSLY DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE WORD CONTEXT MEANS

I actually think Hillary would be fun to have a beer with. It’s just listening to her speeches, debates, etc. that is not fun. I’ll miss her if/when she loses to Obama, and I do think the press has been harder on her than him, but I still believe Obama’s the right candidate.

Fair or not I read someones comments last night particularily interesting. “What if they were both fairly good looking white men, all other things the same, who would you vote for?” I have a hard time with that as an Obama supporter. I think Hillary would have brezzed through a long time ago. I have a hard time with that.

I think this was a nice eulogy, but it might be premature.

I admire Hillary Clinton, the human being, the mother, the wife, the first lady, the senator. Win or lose, she will always be important to me. I know nothing of this Obama except as a TV face, too smooth, to believe. Actually I like all of Hil’s swings, at least we know she’s got them. With Obama, I’m not sure what he’s got except good marketing and he’s a man. If the presidency were Madison Avenue I’d vote for Obama, but it’s 1600 Pennsylvania AVenue and there you must be able to say Mass A Chu Setts, I think an Ivy League lawyer should be pronouncing it right, unless he wants comparisons to George Bush who can’t say NU CLEE AR.
Funny isn’t, To me Obama is another GWB in chocolate skin. He’s scary man, the face and body language hide whatever human is under there. To stay on point, I will say at least I know Hillary IS Human, Barak I’m not so sure, after all the Obamasites believe he ascended from the Heavens.

“But it does seem human. You gotta give her that. Or don’t you?”
Being human is kind of a minimal qualification for the presidency of the United States. If that’s what her campaign is reduced to, it’s owed a big refund from Mark Penn.

‘On day one’ Hillary showed up for the campaign – with Bill. No respect for a woman who thinks she needs a man – to compete for a job. The two-fer – is lame. If our first woman president can’t show up to campaign without her husband – we’re in trouble, and so is she. She should have stood firmly on her own two feet during the campaign – and shown that she could make it on her own – without Bill.
If someone shows ‘emotion’ – extremes of emotion – only when they are losing – I’d be really suspicious of where those ‘emotions’ came from.
Thanks, Mrs. Clinton, for proving the naysayers that like to stereotype women – right. Nice one day, angry, sarcastic, and mean the next? No. We don’t need an insecure, ‘can’t admit my Iraq vote was wrong until the 20th debate’ female president – as a role model for young women – or men.
Hillary can pull out all the last-minute tricks she wants to win – but her performance has been disappointing ‘from day one’ – for the truly grown-up gals – that is, for secure, ‘don’t need a man to breathe or win a job’ – women.
The media has been and still is ‘anti-Obama,’ probably because if Mr. Obama wins, the media will have to change its status-quo, too. ‘Fair’ reporting hasn’t been part of this campaign – and it is a shameful reflection of the state of the American MSM. Keith Olberman appears to have come the closest to meeting the consistently ‘fair’ grade in commentary and reporting. The MSM – can – and should – do better than this.

JPT – Not much to say now that it is the last seconds in the 4th quarter.. Sorry bud..HILLARY & HUMAN.. good try…HILLARY & POLITICAL ROBOT more like it..
OBAMA / CLINTON 2008 …moving on to the Big Daddy MCCAIN

But then you are dismissing what we, the public noticed….It was during and after Iowa that CNN and MSNBC were on full force attack against Hillary. They spoke of BO from the beginning as though he was an inspiration. Yes, they spoke a little about qualifications, but the media has always titled her devisive. They also loved to remind the public of Bill’s indiscretions. Hillary knows now that WE out here are sick of the bias, and she, feeling the support, is finally defending herself against having to campaign against the media. One only needs to consider the fact that most of CNN’s and MSNBC’S pundits are Republican, you know THEY were never speaking highly of her…..there was a turn for the worst when they systematically were tearing her down and building him up. That’s what angered women in the second state to vote; New Hampshire.

“I would like to propose that all of us are affected by our environments and our parents as we are learning to be adults. It seems likely to me, she truly loved her father and also loves her husband, even with both of their shortcomings.”
I propose that as adults – we grow up, recognize that our parent’s may indeed have been angry or demanding individuals – and then move forward to decide just how much we want their parenting styles to determine who we will become – as adults. Many children love angry parents – and many wives love husbands- that disrespect them. Doesn’t mean that either choice is easy – or good for us. There are healthy relationships and unhealthy relationships. We get to choose.
“On page 32 of the book – “If there is a single defining thread of Hillary’s political, religious, and social development, it is her belief and determination, from her teenage years onward, that the tragedy of race in America must be made right…”
It would be helpful is someone could post a listing of programs/efforts by Hillary that were/are – directly targeted toward only African-American children and adults, versus whites.
“And even more than her husband, Hillary formed many of her closest friendships with blacks;,”
Is someone actually keeping count of the number of African-American friends that Hillary and Bill have – as individuals? And if so, why? Silly.
“As many are aware she has taken heat also for the time she retained her maiden name – but she stated, “her name was her identity, and would ensure she remained “a person in my own right” and “not a sacrificial political wife”.”
She certainly should have felt free to retain her maiden name. The ‘sacrificial political wife’ statement is too sad to comment on because Bill hit her with his game (followed by the Republicans) – while she was First Lady. However, note that she didn’t hesitate to mention that incident at the end of one of her debates to try to use it to her – political advantage.
“Bet you didn’t know this either, Hillary on a date in the 10th grade was asked by the boy had she ever ridden a skateboard, she hadn’t, but didn’t want to say no. So she got on the board and rode it without wiping out to the bottom of the hill.”
Challenges aren’t Hillary’s problem. Knowing that she can face them – without needing Bill – is.

If Obama can have OPRAH speak for him, then a statesman such as Bill Clinton is a definite acceptable sponsor of Hillary. At least he is able to answer questions about Hillary. Whereas Oprah is only able to build Obama up based on her “perception”. Now we all know that Cindy serves McCain because she is beautiful. She makes people wonder how John accomplished that courting deal. I am sorry, but just because Bill knows more, doesn’t disqualify his legitimacy as a supporter and speaker. It’s a plus, just as Oprah’s media power is a plus for BO.

Hillary Clinton came into last night’s debate with so much pressure and incredibly higher expectations than one person could deliver. If the truth were told, many of us – and politicians too – would just want to pull the covers over our heads and wish the last few weeks away.
What we saw last evening was what separates her from so many – that fighting spirit and commitment to getting her message out. She has run on her substantive record. In her private moments she has to wonder – How has this guy who’s come out of nowhere get so far. Because she’s brilliant, she realizes that the media has given him a free pass (scrutiny will come later because what they build up, the media also likes to tear down.)He has also run an amazing campaign from a technological standpoint – who would have thought that text messaging would move beyond our middle schools and high schools? In the end though, he’s a “created” candidate. One fashioned from the vision and dreams of his svengali – David Axelrod.
There wasn’t a shred of self pity in last night’s debate. She keeps on promoting her policies (many of whom he appropriated) and she is definitely a fighter.
Go Hillary. Our challenges are too important to put them in the hands of someone untested.
P.S. Did everyone see when he threw up his hands and turned to the (male) moderators as if to say “do you believe this woman” – I’d like to see a commercial made out of it. But then the network would suppress it the way they did the SNL Tina Fey skit.

I have to say, I still don’t buy the argument that Hillary has a lot more experience and is more “tested” than Obama. You know, Hillary would have us believe that she is some wise old veteran of the political world, but she’s actually a junior senator. She’s got, what? maybe 4 years more than Obama in the US senate. And this is her first political gig. Obama, on the other hand, served 7 years in the state senate prior to coming to Washington. He has spent more years in elected office than Hillary has, yet somehow Hillary is painted as the wise old veteran. I don’t get it.

So Saddened:
I’ve only voted for Democrats since I voted for Jimmy Carter in 1972. Don’t think I can vote for a Republican but I do think I’ll sit this one out (can’t believe I’m saying that) if Obama gets the nomination. I wonder if Obama has any idea how his campaign, his supporters, the mainstream press and the liberal press have alientated Clinton’s core voters. Do you think he believes that we’ll line up behind him? Guess he’s in for a surprise.

It’s the labels people put on the candidates that are disgusting, and it seems that Hillary has had many heaped upon her, especially by the media. You are correct in pointing out the problems many candidates have had over the years, but in this election, many of the major networks have gone over the top. Do you call that traditional journalism? We are in a mess. Hillary not only faces the usual political jabs, but much of what she has been called is sexist. If she complains about a valid debating point or a falsehood, is that whiny? I do not believe the male candidates have been called such. Romney’s religion or anybody’s religion is out of bounds, as well as candidates marital relationships. Much of the perverse and unfair negativity and lack of equal coverage lies at the feet of some pf the major networks. I am on the Internet now reading an ABC news site because I am fed up with CNN, MSNBC, and FOX. No it is not fair. Some of the negativity in a political campaign is expected, but this has gotten way out of the realm of credible journalism. They call it journalism, but 99 percent of it is spin, spin, spin! Even worse, it is tabloid fodder.

Redcat said “‘On day one’ Hillary showed up for the campaign – with Bill. No respect for a woman who thinks she needs a man – to compete for a job. The two-fer – is lame”
Redcat this is the most sexist and stupidest comment I have ever seen. If Obama shows up with Michelle and she campaigns for him that is okay but if Hillary shows up with her husband that is a cardinal sin and shold be immediately disqualified for the job she is trying.

Satish,
Hillary is promoting sexist, stereotypical behavior by showing that she is dependent on Bill to win the nomination. I am saying that she does not need him and should be break free from the sexist stereotype of dependency – especially in a presidential campaign – using an ex-president of the United States. ‘We’ (Bill and Hillary) has no place in a discussion about Hillary’s ability to serve as president.
There is a big difference between asking a celebrity or spouse to appear for/with a candidate and asking an ex-president of the United States to consistently speak for a candidate on the campaign trail.
Mr. Obama has been very gracious in his response to the ‘two-fer’ approach from the Clintons. Mr. Obama has said that BILL Clinton was successful in many ways during his term as president and has only asked Hillary to address both the good and bad aspects of BILL’s administration when she talks about – Bill’s administration.
In all honesty, I don’t even agree with Mr. Obama’s response on the ‘two-fer.’ I recognize and appreciate Hillary’s efforts as First Lady – but I don’t credit her with anything that Bill did as president because – she isn’t Bill. She shouldn’t need to reference Bill’s accomplishments in her campaign. When she does, she just plays on the ‘we’ theme in that she is trying to score points with the public using – Bill’s accomplishments – but yet she wants to be viewed as being separate from Bill – at the same time. She can’t have it both ways.
Mr. Obama stated at the beginning of the campaign that he felt as if he was running against two candidates – and he is. I said unfair then and I still believe it is unfair. The Clintons are all about taking advantage – but some of us aren’t that stupid. One Mr. Obama is one Mr. Obama and two Clintons equal one Mrs. Clinton plus one ex-president of the United States. It’s a shame that Mr. Obama doesn’t have an ex-president willing to stomp fulltime for him but then again, he’d probably decline the assistance and move forward to compete and win – as an independent, competent, married to a non-ex-president – adult.
As a woman, I believe that Hillary should have run and ‘interviewed’ for the job – without Bill. I’d like to see a woman in the White House someday soon but the candidate will need to stand on her own two feet, not reference her husband’s record/accomplishments when he was president, and not be dependent on the good old boy/gal Democratic party elite members for ‘supervotes’ if she can’t gain the support of the majority of Democratic voters.
Change in DC means ‘new’ and there is nothing new about Bill and Hillary Clinton – or the way that they operate.
I’m looking for the candidate that is best for what my country needs today. I am sorry to say that Hillary Clinton (or should I say Bill and Hillary) aren’t the people that I want to see in the White House – again.