Clinton Adds “Reject” to her Statement on Ferraro Comments
In an interview with Philadelphia’s Channel 3, KYW-TV, Sen. Hillary Clinton reiterates what she said to ABC’s Harrisburg affiliate, but now adds the word "reject" to her statement…
"Well I said earlier today in Harrisburg that I obviously disagree and reject the comments. And Senator Obama and I have both said on several occasions that we want this campaign to be about the issues — the differences between us certainly because that’s fair game, draw our differences in experiences and qualifications and our views on various important matters facing the country. But we don’t want it to strain into extraneous territory and we both have supporters and staff who get overzealous and we want to keep this on the real issues that matter to the voters of Pennsylvania."
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If Powers got tossed for “monster,” what is the appropriate sanction for Ferraro, who not only made this outrageous statement once, but reinforced it a second time and threw in a charge of “reverse” racism against her?
I have this vision of Hillary with her finger in the wind, waiting to see how outraged she has to be.
What a phony! If something is outrageous, you know it — and say it — immediately.
Posted by: jac13 | March 11, 2008, 9:26 pm 9:26 pm
As far as we know, she was not “tossed.” She resigned and Senator Obama accepted. That’s what we’ve been exposed to anyhow in the media. IF there is some other evidence that Senator Obama forced her out, please let us know.
Posted by: LOM | March 11, 2008, 9:30 pm 9:30 pm
Ya but will she reject Gerry, too?
Posted by: The Commander Guy | March 11, 2008, 9:34 pm 9:34 pm
“In Our Lifetime” cover of Ebony. game, set, and match Ferraro.
Posted by: geevill | March 11, 2008, 9:41 pm 9:41 pm
Barack Obama is a very special politcian. He has actually gotten people who hated the Clintons to support Hillary. The man is a disgusting race baiter phony.
Posted by: geevill | March 11, 2008, 9:49 pm 9:49 pm
Obama better hope he wins Pa. because if they revote it’ll be tied
Posted by: girlinvt | March 11, 2008, 9:55 pm 9:55 pm
Some of readers have no clue of who Barak Obama is: In addition to being a Harvard Law gradute, a professor, and Senator, he is a writer of two best selling books; one of which 1.6 million in royalties bought his house! They also think that his wife, michelle was poor – right, she grew up in a samll apt as a child, but as a HARVARD LAW graduate, she earned as an executive over $250,000 a year! Don’t speak about him not being able to afford his house!
Posted by: An Adult American Female | March 11, 2008, 10:01 pm 10:01 pm
Obama said he did not believe the Clinton campaign was behind the photo of him in African garb, but he held it up in Mississippi as proof of how low she would sink. Clearly this was an attempt to rally black voters who make up 70 % of the registered Dems in Mississippi but the media has ignored this in favor of Ferraro’s comments. If Hillary had tried to rally white voters with a similar trick she would be history. Obama decries the race card but pulls it out as needed. Again, he will say or do whatever he needs to get elected. His brand of politics is as old as Machiavelli.
Posted by: hopesprings52 | March 11, 2008, 10:04 pm 10:04 pm
Next Clinton-surrogate racism/bigotry eruption now scheduled for the seven days prior to the April 22 vote in PA.
Set your watches and mark your calendars, campers!
Posted by: chickaboom | March 11, 2008, 10:04 pm 10:04 pm
I am a republican and I am voting for Obama. If Obama choose Clinton as his VP then Obama loose my vote. I am all for CHANGE.
Posted by: JE | March 11, 2008, 10:06 pm 10:06 pm
HILLARY CLINTON takes the high road when dealing with racial issues, despite some of the manuevers by surrogates. I respect her for this. “Mr. Meck”, you are not helpful with your disparaging remarks about her opponent. This seems like more stirring up trouble, perhaps for the benefit of the right, as opposed to supporting HILLARY CLINTON.
Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | March 11, 2008, 10:24 pm 10:24 pm
Hey, “An Adult American Female”, you left out “Influence Peddler”, in Obama’s vitae, ala Rezko. That, my friend, is factually based. BTW, writing a book isn’t a basis to run for President. Influence peddling is a basis to not be supported. I hope you and others consider withdrawing your support for him for that basis.
Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | March 11, 2008, 10:28 pm 10:28 pm
Obama has not rejected his minister who has said far worse racist comments and preaches it to the masses. His words were “he is like an uncle… i respect him even though he says dumb things sometimes..”
Did the Clinton camp or the media lock onto this? Not at all. Ferraro should not be rejected either. She has a valid point that we all need to face in order to fix it even if she did not use soft gloves. Any candidate who cant take the heat will not make it past McCain.
Clinton clarified that she rejects the statement implying Obama is in the race only because he is black even though that is a statement taken out of context of the facts. She did the right thing and much more than Obama did with his minister. Obama did not repudiate anything his wife said even though Clinton did take action to correct Bill. I saw Bill apologize and explain the lesson he learned was that he is not allowed to defend his wife like Michelle is allowed to defend her husband. No one walks a finer line than Hillary Clinton because of the media. Obama gets a pass because people are afraid they will be called racists.
Now let’s get back to the campaign issues! Who can tell me what Obama’s qualifications are? Who can tell me what plan he has proposed that was not already proposed by someone else?
Posted by: DCVoter | March 11, 2008, 10:28 pm 10:28 pm
Hey WestCoastMessenger – they are both authors, both have 3 books published… perhaps his angry statement about her donating 5 mill to her campaign was really about jealousy, he said “I dont have 5 million to donate to my campaign!” I had to laugh at that one. I am an author of a highly technical book regarding international market forecasts but that does not make me qualified to run for President. LOL
Posted by: DCVoter | March 11, 2008, 10:34 pm 10:34 pm
Hillary spent a decade in the depressed state of Arkansas. Check out her work in that state. Huge AA demographic. She won there 70%-30%. Why? Because she is an individual “of the people, for the people and by the people”.
No “WORDS” there, just hard work….
Posted by: SadStateOfAffairs | March 11, 2008, 10:36 pm 10:36 pm
Ferraro was simply saying what Gloria Steinham wrote in the NY Times Op-Ed in Jan.: that if a woman had the same limited national and international experience Obama had when he started his campaign with only 2 1/2 years in the US Senate, that woman (no matter how inspirational a speaker) would have been laughed at if she had the audacity to run for president. Obama’s gender and, yes, his heritage gave him an edge.
Posted by: Lori | March 11, 2008, 10:37 pm 10:37 pm
I don’t know why Hillary Fans can’t just admit and Hillary MAY have made a mistake on the Irak War Vote.
To error is human and all……she is human isn’t she?
I mean you got 10 of thousand of dead and disabled Americans; even more Irakis, a 3 Trillion Dollar price tag.
You got the lost opportunity costs, i.e., toil and treasure that coulda been spent protecting the nation’s infrastructure, chemical plants, nuclear plants, ports, datasystems, etc. You got the negative goodwill throughout the world created by the war.
And UBL is still alive in Pakistan and the Taliban is reconstituting in Afghanistan.
This is not rocket science folks. Even Senator Colburn-OK has admitted that invading Irak may not have been a good idea.
Any takers? Could HRC have made a mistake?
Posted by: The Commander Guy | March 11, 2008, 10:53 pm 10:53 pm
Watch for the next major reversal from the Obama camp. After railing against the undemocratic nature of the superdelegates and saying that the Dem nominee should be the one who gets the most votes, the Obama camp will fight against having real primaries in Florida and Michigan that would allow those voters to have their voices heard.
Posted by: hopesprings52 | March 11, 2008, 10:54 pm 10:54 pm
Racism on parade. The first indicator was the elevation of John McCain above Barak. Now this…wow. After the outrageous mess that the Clinton campaign has become, I can’t imagine the super-delegates not abandoning her in droves.
Posted by: WayneP | March 11, 2008, 10:55 pm 10:55 pm
Just one question…..”Who is Barack Obama?”
Anyone care to answer? “Life history experts only….need apply”.
Posted by: SadStateOfAffairs | March 11, 2008, 11:01 pm 11:01 pm
mara
“You know, at a Clinton rally there were idiots with signs saying “Iron my shirts.”
This was a radio DJ stunt. Google is your friend. It worked in NH. But time moves on.
Posted by: The Commander Guy | March 11, 2008, 11:04 pm 11:04 pm
In light of the comments today, the exit polls are telling:
Mississippi = 48% white, 50% black
White men Clinton 68% Obama 30%
White women Clinton 71% Obama 23%
Black men Clinton 6% Obama 94%
Black women Clinton 10% Obama 90%
BTW There was absolutely no difference in voters with or without college degrees for all you condescending Obamites.
The most important things to note here are: a disproportionate amount of black voters support Obama; the white males are swinging to Clinton even more than before; Mississippi is a republican stronghold for electoral votes so the win in the primaries is irrelevant in November against McCain.
Racism is clearly affecting the voters and we can see the source is not in the white vote.
Posted by: DCVoter | March 11, 2008, 11:10 pm 11:10 pm
Commander Guy – See? Very bad eyesight. Anyway – I think you meant to respond to Maria, not Mara. Although you can complain about my typos if you want.
Posted by: Mara | March 11, 2008, 11:14 pm 11:14 pm
Welcome to the blogosphere pam porter. Yes the moderators delete things based on the Terms of Service. They often make judgement calls or are directed to do so. Dont take it personally.
On another note, funny how many of the obamites prefer to call people names instead of debate the issues or even state what their candidate’s qualifications or stands on the issues are.
Posted by: DCVoter | March 11, 2008, 11:16 pm 11:16 pm
Judging from the Mississippi vote I expected Clinton to do a lot worse than she is doing, plus the Mc Cain votes are very interesting its no way any Democrat can win this state.
Posted by: SJ | March 11, 2008, 11:18 pm 11:18 pm
Ok SadStateofAffairs – Since it would be useless to post the lifetime of achievements of either candidate, let’s compare the record of major awards that might be even slightly related to ethnic groups:
Clinton -
-Humanitarian Award, Elie Wiesel Foundation
-Women Who Make A Difference Lifetime Achievement Award, Family Circle
-President’s Award, League of United Latin American Citizens
-International Women’s Philanthropy Award, Lion of Judah Conference of Combined Jewish Philanthropies
-Distinguished Bridge Builder Award, Leon H. Sullivan Foundation
-Recognition, Military Order of the Purple Heart
-Distinguished Service Award, National Association of Elementary School Principals
-Bully Pulpit Award, National Council for Adoption
-Black Women of Courage Award, National Federation of Black Women Business Owners
-Martin Luther King Jr. Award, Progressive National Baptist Convention
- Secretary of Defense Medal for Outstanding Public Service
-Woman of Steel – Role Model of the Year, United Steel Workers of America
-Arkansas Woman of the Year-1983
-Arkansas Mother of the Year-1984
Obama -
Best Spoken Word Album, Grammy Award, 2006;
Chairman’s Award, National Association for the Advancement Colored People, 2005;
100 most influential people in the world, Time Magazine, 2005;
10 people who will change the world, New Statesman, 2005;
Harold Blake Walker Award, Christopher House, 2005;
Rock the Nation Award, Rock the Vote, 2005;
Outstanding Legislator Award, Campaign for Better Health Care and Illinois Primary Health Care Association, 1998;
Best Freshman Legislator Award, Independent Voters of Illinois, 1997;
Monarch Award for Outstanding Public Service, 1994;
40 Under 40 Award, Crain’s Chicago Business, 1993
Posted by: DCVoter | March 11, 2008, 11:32 pm 11:32 pm
Look closely at the list and see which ones are related to human rights and civil rights work. (These were contributed by each candidate to votesmart prior to the campaign start).
Looks like a no-brainer to me… Clinton is certainly more accomplished in that area… actions are more than just words.
Posted by: DCVoter | March 11, 2008, 11:34 pm 11:34 pm
The math tonight doesn’t look good for Hillary.
Obama: 1402 pledged delegates
Clinton: 1240 pledged delegates
Obama: 1608 total delegates
Clinton: 1478 total delegates
(CNN estimates)
Posted by: Mat Math | March 11, 2008, 11:35 pm 11:35 pm
I agree SJ… she did very well considering the demographics of the state. Although, I dont think it makes much difference in delegate allocation since that state gives more delegates to the urban areas that have a large concentration of the black population. What I do see is the momentum has not shifted back to Obama although he retains the black voting bloc in a Red state.
Posted by: DCVoter | March 11, 2008, 11:39 pm 11:39 pm
Geraldine Feraro remains one of the chairs on the National Clinton Finance Committee
She and her remarks are a surrogate for the continued race baiting of the Clinton campaign
Posted by: alison | March 11, 2008, 11:39 pm 11:39 pm
Mat Math – you might want to use the real numbers and not projections by the MSM. 500 or more pledged delegates are not allocated until June. Pledged delegates can change their vote (not bound to the electorate) or be replaced if they dont show up for any of the subsequent conventions leading up to their state conventions. The SDs can change up to the vote time at the national convention.
The candidates would not both still be in the race to the finish if they were not aware of this. Everyone likes to project their best guess and try to be closest to the final outcome but that doesnt make it the actual.
Posted by: DCVoter | March 11, 2008, 11:42 pm 11:42 pm
I voted for Mondale-Ferraro in 1984 more for her than for him. Now I can’t believe the strident words coming out of her mouth. Shame.
Posted by: NoLongerFerraroFan | March 11, 2008, 11:43 pm 11:43 pm
It was the Hinds precincts that gave him the push all the other precincts was not a blow out. I don’t feel they were expecting that judging from the poll numbers that some were calling all week.
Posted by: SJ | March 11, 2008, 11:44 pm 11:44 pm
SJ and DC Voter
losing Mississippi by 20% points is a good showing?
When Sen Clinton, Pres Clinton and Chelsea actively campaigned in the State?
When Sen Clinton was the keynote speaker at last Sat night Jeff Jackson dinner in Mississippi?
–
When you look at the results by county tomorrow you will see why the white vote was so skewed toward Sen Clinton
The same phenonomon we saw in Texas and Ohio – RUSH republicans voting for Hillary
Sen Clinton carried by huge margins the two most republicans counties in Mississippi today where there were significant amounts of Republicans crossing over to vote in the Democratic primary – and 90% white areas –
Open your eyes people
Don’t vote for Obama if you don’t want to — but please see what is happening
As long as you are okay with Pres McCain — keep it up — because that is what this is about
Posted by: alison | March 11, 2008, 11:45 pm 11:45 pm
DCVoter,
the most impressive item on your lists is that Barack Obama was (the only politician) on that New Statesman list of “10 people who will change the world” from 2005. Now it’s 2008 and his time gas come.
If he were an empty suit talking ‘change’ by way of rhetorics he never would have been on that list; the New Stateman very well knows the difference between hot air and beef in politics.
In other words: American voters have the chance to vote for the worlds greatest political agent of change. A fascinating opportunity!
Let’s do it and get the USA out of the Bush-Cheney mess it is in, and start advocating diplomacy, dialog, democracy and peace again in the world.
Posted by: Druid | March 11, 2008, 11:47 pm 11:47 pm
Alison at the moment Obama only has about 120,000 votes more that McCain, and McCain is not even in this race, so its not fair to say Republican were crossing the line to vote for Clinton.
When you check the map you will see it’s only one precinct that Obama had a mass turnout for him.
Posted by: SJ | March 11, 2008, 11:49 pm 11:49 pm
96% reporting, Obama + 22%
That is what I call winning BIG.
Posted by: Mat Math | March 11, 2008, 11:55 pm 11:55 pm
“That is what I call winning BIG.”
Yeah, another big win in a red state!
Go Obama!
Posted by: LOM | March 12, 2008, 12:00 am 12:00 am
Druid – I certainly dont consider that a significant award for Obama. New Statesman is a UK publication not a major US or International organization.
If he vets ok on other issues that are questionable at this point in time and he gains more experience/maturity, I think he is a viable candidate for the future… but not now.
Posted by: DCVoter | March 12, 2008, 12:00 am 12:00 am
I wondering when the Hillary supporters are gonna say …. oh no Barack beat us big time with the white vote …in Wisconsin, Washington, Maine, Nebraska, North Dakota, Minnesota, Iowa, Wyoming, Utah, Idaho, Kansas, Colorado, Missouri, Nebraska etc…..
I’m wondering if thee syncophants are gonna tire out on pulling this nonsense.
PS
Mara yeah shoulda been Maria.
Posted by: The Commander Guy | March 12, 2008, 12:02 am 12:02 am
not really mat math,when over 50% of the voters are black and 90+% vote BHO just for starters…,
Posted by: pam porter | March 12, 2008, 12:02 am 12:02 am
The Ferraro story will recede. More importantly,today in Mississipi the voters voted along race lines. This is horrible news for Obama. He can win southern states like Mississippi (where AA voters were 50 percent of the dem primary electorate) by relying on a massive, 90 percent + sweep in the african american votes because african americans make up a large percentage of the vote in the democratic primary electorate. African americans make up a much smaller percentage of the general electorate.(Less than 20 percent). Obama may manage to get the democratic nomination without resolving his his problems with white, latino and blue collar voters, but he won’t win the presidency with his coalition.He should be very concerned about his reliance on AA votes to win in the south. If that is his strategy, he will not win in the south, He has to get white, latino and blue collar voters. How is he going to do that?
Posted by: njh | March 12, 2008, 12:07 am 12:07 am
pam porter, you write:
“not really mat math,when over 50% of the voters are black”
Do you realize what you’re saying here? And you still wouldn’t agree that Obama brings out a lot of hidden or suppressed racism out in people who would erefr to claim that they are liberal?
Aren’t black voters American voters? Do they count less, is that you mean? Find a mirror look yourself deep in the eyes, please. It may scare you.
Posted by: Mat Math | March 12, 2008, 12:10 am 12:10 am
When you have an area like Jackson Mississippi where its 90% AA and over 35,000 come out to vote for Obama, how can anyone say he is winning the white vote.
That is the only precinct that he has had the mass showing, and that is where he made his push, but if you guys feel that is all it will take to win an election against Mc Cain there is not much I can say but some of you really better start to do the math.
Posted by: SJ | March 12, 2008, 12:10 am 12:10 am
Let me add for those that don’t want to notice if you add Mc Cain votes to Hillary Obama would of lost Mississippi tonight, that is a fact they numbers are there if you care to check it.
Posted by: SJ | March 12, 2008, 12:15 am 12:15 am
Why is everyone so upset, put out, disturbed by talking about the “elephant in the room.” BHO is(half)black and 90% of the black electorate vote for him…not white, or asian, or hispanic…that is a reality, that is what is happening, and that is worthy of discussion. What is more racist, talking about the breakdown of votes of the electorate, or a bloc of voters that favor a candidate with a ratio of 90% to 10%?
Posted by: pam porter | March 12, 2008, 12:22 am 12:22 am
“Racism is clearly affecting the voters and we can see the source is not in the white vote.”
Clintonistas want to make MS representative of the national race dynamic. That dog won’t hunt.
Knowing that she cannot overtake Barak in this vote, Hillary has determined to make race an issue..*the* issue..when clearly Obama does not want that. That’s racism, and it’s ugly, and it’s evil. Good luck with that scheme Hillary.
Posted by: WayneP | March 12, 2008, 12:24 am 12:24 am
Pam they wont discuss that because they want to believe that Obama can win this on his own with only the AA vote.
In the meantime they slam every Clinton supporter and act as if out votes don’t matter, they don’t need Hillary, The also feel once she is out Obama will go with either Kerry or maybe Edwards and they are home free on to the WH.
Maybe when Nov comes they will wake up and get it so until then let them dream and hope they love it like that
Posted by: SJ | March 12, 2008, 12:27 am 12:27 am
More delegates news.
CNN announced today that in Texas, after a close finish in the primary and the big win in the caucuses, Obama has the statewide delegate lead, 99 to 94 – or once superdelegate endorsements are factored in, 109 to 106.
So of these last 6 contests Obama won Vermont, Texas, Wyoming and Missippi. Clinton won OHIO and Rhode Island.
The fact that she has lost Texas would according to Bill Clinton mean that it’s over for her.
All in all she’s further away than ever from winning the nomination. Clinton’s lead in super delegates was more than 80 not that long ago; today it’s only 32.
Posted by: Mat Math | March 12, 2008, 12:32 am 12:32 am
@WayneP | Mar 12, 2008 12:24:53 AM:
What are the specifics that show Hillary is *personally* making race the issue in this election? She has already rejected Ferraro’s comments, she already said in the debate that the *photo* did not come from her campaign and she apologized for her husband’s remarks in South Carolina if folks construed them as racism.
Senator Obama during the debate said “Well, first of all, I take Senator Clinton at her word that she knew nothing about the photo. So I think that’s something that we can set aside.” But yesterday pulls the race/victim card and reminds the voters of Mississippi of the picture and blamed it on the Clinton campaign.
It seems to me that Senator Obama is the one making this election about race.
Posted by: LOM | March 12, 2008, 12:35 am 12:35 am
Hey Mat
I guess that means Obama can win Texas also in a GE maybe McCain will allow him to have a few caucuses out there first to decide the outcome.
Nice try Mat but the GE is not a primary with a silly caucuses where people can bully other to vote, that is a different ball game, if the DNC is so dumb to go on the outcome of caucuses to think they can win an election well they really deserve to lose every election for the next 100 years
Posted by: SJ | March 12, 2008, 12:38 am 12:38 am
CG – you are repeating yourself (you cant count states twice) LOL
But to humor you and because I know you hate facts, let me pull some numbers out of the spreadsheet I am keeping with the election data. For Obama, here are the state types and percentage of actual voter turnouts from SOS websites:
Red: Nebraska 1%
Red: Wyoming 2%
Red: Idaho 2%
Red: Kansas 2%
Red: Alaska 5% (302 voters)
Red: North Dakota 6%
Red: Louisiana 19%
Red: Utah 24%
Red: South Carolina 30%
Red: Alabama 32%
Red: Georgia 33%
Blue: Hawaii 3%
Blue: Maine 5%
Blue: Minnesota 7%
Blue: Delaware 24%
Blue: Maryland 27%
Blue: District of Columbia 29%
Blue: Vermont 39% (Indie state)
Blue: Washington 42%
Swing(Red 2004): Colorado 6%
Swing(Red 2004): Iowa 16%
Swing(Red 2004): Virginia 27%
Swing(Red 2004): Missouri 33%
Swing(Blue 2004): Connecticut 20%
Swing(Blue 2004): Illinois 33%
Swing(Blue 2004): Wisconsin 37%
The states you mentioned not only had low voter turnout (meaning the number of white Obama voters were small compared to the national election) but they are states that are going to give electors to McCain no matter who the dem nominee is. The numbers also show the states with large black voting bloc are mostly Republican strongholds as well.
Posted by: DCVoter | March 12, 2008, 12:39 am 12:39 am
If racism is Clinton’s last recourse, this means she is completely finished; and it’s well done for her.
Posted by: Mark Webb | March 12, 2008, 12:45 am 12:45 am
I think it would be interesting to see just what the current polling indicates in states that have already voted to see if “buyer’s remorse” is happening. This would be a good indicator for the SDs since some idiot at the DNC decided to have a primary campaign that seems never ending because they tried to control which states vote first. LOL
Posted by: DCVoter | March 12, 2008, 12:47 am 12:47 am
Obama learn politics in Illinois
So he knows how to play dirty.
Plus he gets obsessed with things, he can’t let them go.
The press have bent over backwards for him, I guess they have to for fear of being called racist.
Posted by: seah | March 12, 2008, 12:47 am 12:47 am
DCVoter,
Good analysis. OBAMA ticks back up on top in the popular vote today, based on another racially polarized contest, but come Pennsyslvania CLINTON will begin to leave him in the dust. Florida re-vote will knock him out. I think your analysis clearly shows why she is a better candidate, irrefutably.
Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | March 12, 2008, 12:47 am 12:47 am
“Mark Webb”,
Nice try. I’m not sure where you are getting the rascist attribution with relation to HRC. HRC’s campaign manager is an African-American woman. Are you saying that this African-American woman is rascist? Against who specifically? Where is your evidence?
Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | March 12, 2008, 12:50 am 12:50 am
SJ
you almost make it sound as if Obama invented the caucuses, LOL, well he didn’t . In the GE Obama will win ‘blue states’ just as easily as Clinton would win them, for they’re both strong Democratic candidates. But he’ll be a lot more competitive than her in some ‘red’ and swing states, since he has been the one attracting most of the independent voters so far. All the polls show he’s more favorable than Clinton, and he leads Clinton in the national electability polls. What more do you want?
The whole argument that Obama can’t win the big blue states is too silly for words. He may not win them from Hillary, but every good Dem candidate will win them from McCain, certainly if you take turnouts into account – and Obama so far is the turnouts king of the race. But he will, other than Al Gore, also be able to win the necessary smaller states; necessary for a Dem victory over the GOP in the GE.
At least, that’s how I see it; Hillary voters will disagree. In the end it is all about beating the GOP, isn’t it? If Hillary WOULD get the nomination, in a fair manner, I will vote her and hope Obama will run one more time. But I’m pretty sure he’s gonna make it this year already.
Posted by: Mat Math | March 12, 2008, 12:51 am 12:51 am
DC voter: Good job I like that spreadsheet but I feel that is lost on the Obama supporters, it does seem that you never get an intelligent discussion with them on the numbers, they dance around it then go off on a Hillary and Bill bashing.
No matter how you tell them it will take more than the mighty Obama to win this they don’t want to hear, and even him with his cocky self is acting now as I am winning I cant take second place, well he will take last place in the GE that is for sure.
The way Dean and those other idiots moving it really looks as if that is what they are also looking for, another also ran tale until election comes around again.
Posted by: SJ | March 12, 2008, 12:53 am 12:53 am
Mark – both campaigns have surrogates and spouses that have said things that could be construed as racist but let’s look at the actions of the candidates:
Clinton apologized for Bill’s remarks.
Obama did not apologize for Michelle’s remarks.
Clinton apologized for surrogates.
Obama did not apologize for surrogates.
Clinton did not play the race card with the photo and Obama agreed yet Obama played it for this contest in MS.
White voters consistently swing back and forth between the candidates with no statistical disparity.
Black voters overwhelmingly vote for Obama and Obama’s surrogate organizations are pressuring black SDs but not pressuring white ones (of which there are more).
Seems pretty clear where the source of the racism is and it is not Senator Clinton.
Posted by: DCVoter | March 12, 2008, 12:56 am 12:56 am
Let’s look at it Mark.
Obama fired his aid that made remarks.
He fired his advisor that made remarks.
Clinton fired no one.
Posted by: Sam | March 12, 2008, 1:00 am 1:00 am
“Mat Math”,
This maybe where the mathematicians have to stand down and the artists step up. Obama needs to build his portfolio first, 2016 against any ‘R or 2012 against an impaired McCain would be an election he stands to win. Not so today. He lacks the political maturity to beat McCain today. You can rest assured the right wing has already fully infiltrated the Obama campaign, with his droves of unvetted newbies (he himself calls them Obamacans, he’s bought that line, hook, line, and sinker. They will begin to go south on him big time come November and he will be crushed. He needs to learn to smell out the bad guys. Sorry to have to break this news to you dude. It’s Hillary’s turn now, Obama next. I’ll support him in eight years, once he has grown.
Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | March 12, 2008, 1:03 am 1:03 am
As to BHO carrying blue states in the GE,I am a staunch democrat–never voted republican–who will vote Mccain come November if BHO tops the Democrat’s ticket…I will not be the only…
Posted by: disgusted | March 12, 2008, 1:03 am 1:03 am
Not lost on Obama dupporters but we don’t use fantasy math…remember we are the educated people that are voting :)
It really is simple. Unless Hillary can win all remaining states by at least a 60/40 then she will not go into the convention with more elected delegates and Obama has added 7 Supers since the Texas/Ohio votes while Hillary has added none.
Those are the facts using simple math…..but it that’s too difficult for you then perhaps you need to visit one of the many sites that offer the same simple math and you might better understand it.
Posted by: Sam | March 12, 2008, 1:03 am 1:03 am
BTW Obama has the lead now in all popular vote counts, so even if includes Florida AND Michigan where nobody voted for him. A revote there certainly wouldn’t help Hillary; and the most recent Michigan poll was a tie.
Posted by: Mat Math | March 12, 2008, 1:03 am 1:03 am
Obama has more years in ELECTED office than Clinton…so the experience card is really lacking in this argument…..
Posted by: Sam | March 12, 2008, 1:05 am 1:05 am
Even including FL & MI he still leads in popular and delegate counts. He also leads in ALL National polls in who the people want for Comander in Chief and he beats McCain in all polls while Clinton only beats McCain in one poll.
Posted by: Sam | March 12, 2008, 1:06 am 1:06 am
“Sam”,
Executive managers make calibrated decisions. They don’t go around firing people on a reactive basis, only on a measured basis. Remember that as you get promoted up the ladder.
You are factually incorrect – Obama never fired his foreign policy advisor, she resigned first.
Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | March 12, 2008, 1:06 am 1:06 am
More on the math, Obama actually winds up with more delegates from the Texas vote when you add the caucus…so who really came out of that race the winner?
Posted by: Sam | March 12, 2008, 1:08 am 1:08 am
Wrong. He ask for her resignation.
Posted by: Sam | March 12, 2008, 1:09 am 1:09 am
“Sam”,
You emphasize the popular vote. So you would concede that if Clinton has a substantial lead in the popular vote, come the convention, that this should have bearing? Shouldn’t the SuperDelegates look at the Good of the Nation for the Good of the States, via the popular vote outcome? What do you think?
Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | March 12, 2008, 1:09 am 1:09 am
Disgusted : that is a fact that most Obama supporters do not want to face, the damage is done already too many HRC supporter are not stating openly on every blog that they will not vote for Obama if he gets the nomination, some say they will write in her name or not vote at all.
They were talking that way on and off but after Obama made is VP remarks that chatter has grown, plus the FL voters don’t like what is going on in there state to them they voted already a mail in for them is as if they are being robbed of their vote.
This thing is a total mess with no end in sight, they may as well both call it a day and welcome McCain.
Posted by: SJ | March 12, 2008, 1:10 am 1:10 am
you nailed it SJ, McCain is a shoe-in after this democrat fiasco.
Posted by: disgusted | March 12, 2008, 1:13 am 1:13 am
IF the Democratic election depended on popular vote then I would agree but if your playing by the rules that the Democratic party has laid down? Then it goes with the delegates. As far as Hillary getting the popular vote and Obama getting more delegates? Don’t see it happening nor do any of the pundits I keep hearing. She would have to, again, win all remaining states by a 60/40 measure and as ALL states have shown, she goes in with usually a double digit lead and after he campaigns, her lead falls. Those are just the facts.
Posted by: Sam | March 12, 2008, 1:13 am 1:13 am
LOL Play It Again Sam is your song isnt it?
The TX delegates associated with the caucus are irrelevant for several reasons: legal challenges and there are no caucuses in the GE. Clinton won the popular vote in TX and won the primary. This means she won the equivalent of the electoral votes for TX. With the core support Clinton has, she can win without his supporters and has a chance at swinging TX blue. If Obama is the nominee, unless the party unites somehow so that he gets Clinton supporters, there is no way he can swing TX… they are a solid Red state without the growing Hispanic and female voting bloc.
Posted by: DCVoter | March 12, 2008, 1:14 am 1:14 am
As for those childish enough to vote for McCain if their candidate does not win? I would feel inclined to ask of your parents were breeding for stupid? In the end it is the party that must survive or our way of life suffers and anyone who dosen’t get that? Has no business voting.
Posted by: Sam | March 12, 2008, 1:15 am 1:15 am
“Sam”,
You are confusing me. Then why did you mention the popular vote if you see it as irrelevant wth respect to the outcome? OK, let’s move to the rules, as you wish. By the rules the SuperDelegates are free to use their judgement in selecting the final nominee. They are not prohibited from using the Popular Vote outcome to render this judgement. This seems to satisfy your criteria of “the rules”. Do you agree that this is a possible outcome?
Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | March 12, 2008, 1:17 am 1:17 am
ROTFLMAO Wait a minute LOL Texas is not relevent but those voters in FL and MI can’t be disenfranchised LOLOLOL you people and your “opinions” amaze me with your childish behaviour.
Posted by: Sam | March 12, 2008, 1:17 am 1:17 am
As I said Sam the DNC can take a chance and give Obama this nomination but if they think they will win I wish them luck, I don’t see it, Hillary supporters will not go for that not after all that has been done.
If Obama cant pull back the HRC supporter and were are speaking about millions here not a few hundred how is he going to win this election? Unfortunately Obama supporters acts as if they can win without these supporters and that is not true no matter how you twist it.
All I can see is very easy win for McCain who really did not have to do much democrats did it all to themselves.
Posted by: SJ | March 12, 2008, 1:18 am 1:18 am
You bet it could happen but again I am going by the comments from many of the delegates theirselves who have stated that they will vote the way their states have voted and since Obama has won many many more states than Clinton then that would also swing in his favor. Could they vote for Hillary regardless? Sure they could and if they did? I would support her.
Posted by: Sam | March 12, 2008, 1:19 am 1:19 am
DCVoter,
Awesome analysis. Keep up the great work!
Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | March 12, 2008, 1:19 am 1:19 am
Sorry Sam, but we do have the right to vote. I have always been all about the party, but I have never seen the hate and immaturity in a primary as there is this year. And, I do not trust BHO. Too many questions for me…After 8 years of Bush, I can probably survive with McCain to keep from listening to BHO.
Posted by: disgusted | March 12, 2008, 1:20 am 1:20 am
Trust me there are enoung sane people in this country that will support the candidate regardless of who they supported in the primary. To think any other way is just anger and wishful thinking from people who equate anger with reality.
Posted by: Sam | March 12, 2008, 1:20 am 1:20 am
Without sounding too educated, I am a mathematician and at this point in the election, it has nothing to do with math. It has to do with an established process that has primaries, caucuses, pledged delegates and unpledged delegates. There is no simple math to work out here. The PROCESS is going to play out where the delegates (pledged and unpledged) can vote as they please at the democratic national convention. Using independent judgment, party elders are going to put the person who has the best chance of procuring the White House this Fall.
There are folks here who want to make it out to be a numbers game in hopes of confusing us “less educated” types, but the reality is this is going to play out in the existing process and some folks aren’t going to be happy. Don’t lecture us on the simple math line–do some research about how a candidate gets the nomination in reality. You can kick and scream all you want and claim that the candidate with the most pledged delegates should be the “winner,” but it doesn’t work that way.
Posted by: LOM | March 12, 2008, 1:22 am 1:22 am
Well go ahead and vote and I hope that having someone like Bush in office for the next 4 years at least works for you…….yeah…come back in 4 years and let us know how that works out LOL
Posted by: Sam | March 12, 2008, 1:22 am 1:22 am
“Sam”,
Obama has continued to try to harvest Supers contrary to the way their state has voted. He obviously hasn’t closed the deal on the idea that someone has to vote in accordance with their state outcome. If so, he could stop all efforts at harvesting additional contrarian votes. Would you say that’s an indicator that he is worried about the idea that people may vote contrary to their state?
Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | March 12, 2008, 1:23 am 1:23 am
Sam -
The voters need to be heard. Caucuses mean nothing in terms of electability (they are a non-Democratic process). The SD’s do not cast votes until August and can change anytime before then. The projected delegate counts are just guesses since there are currently 500+ unallocated delegates up until June. Any of those pledged delegates can change until their state conventions. The GE is like an “all or nothing” primary with popular votes relative to the states. Comparitively, if the state delegates were currently allocated as “all or nothing” it would be Clinton 1400+ and Obama 1200+. This is in line with the latest electoral predictions that put Clinton at 250+ electors and Obama at 150+ electors. This DNC delegate scheme is the reason the dems keep nominating candidates that cannot beat the reps most of the time. Do you really want to waste a vote on Obama so McCain can win?
Posted by: DCVoter | March 12, 2008, 1:23 am 1:23 am
Many mathematicians out there would disagree with you though you are welcome to your opinion. It is all about the math and the delegates and the preception of what the majority of the American public wants….at this point? The majority has voted for Obama.
Posted by: Sam | March 12, 2008, 1:24 am 1:24 am
did not say it would work out..just will not vote BHO..
Posted by: disgusted | March 12, 2008, 1:25 am 1:25 am
ROTFLMAO Caucus delegates count just like any other and if you really feel that they will go against their party then good luck with that thought process…..but don’t bet your house on it.
Posted by: Sam | March 12, 2008, 1:26 am 1:26 am
Well said LOM. It’s more about poetry-in-motion as it is math. I think all might be happy with the GOLDEN TICKET in the end. Let’s hope that OBAMA doesn’t accidentally burn his on fuse out before we get there.
Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | March 12, 2008, 1:26 am 1:26 am
Gotta comment on this idiotic comment that a caucus is “a non-Democratic process”…used by the Democratic party though? LOL You mean that Clinton did not do her homework and Obama used it beat her in the delegate race so NOW its a a non-Democratic process to her followers…Again fantasy.
Posted by: Sam | March 12, 2008, 1:28 am 1:28 am
Hey “Sam”,
My spouse is an Obama delegate. She is having second thoughts after the Rezko trial came up. I do nothing to influence her, no discussions, she arrived at this independently. She’s a delegate to a county convention. There are dozens of Clinton delegate alternates waiting to be seated at that county convention, for every Obama newbie that was excited on the initial caucus day, but fails to show up for the county convention. And so goes the sifting process. Remmber Gary Hart, bye, bye.
Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | March 12, 2008, 1:29 am 1:29 am
Off to bed with visions of another Obama win dancing in my head!
Posted by: Sam | March 12, 2008, 1:30 am 1:30 am
Right Sam and Obama gets the nomination and we are facing a GE so what happens now all the OB supporters are going to find a sudden love for the HRC supporters because they now need their votes to win?
So you really feel that people are so fickle that they will not jump on the OB train to give the Democrat party a win, after FL is take away from them, after the mess in all these caucuses, after all the race talks.
I can just see it now the GOP on the election trail, hitting all the key points, talking about issues, and scandals and the Democrats looking to find a way to mend bridges and woo voters back, yes it sure sounds like a winning game plan.
Posted by: SJ | March 12, 2008, 1:31 am 1:31 am
BTW,
No one from the Obama campaign has ever made contact with her to seal the relationship. Clinton campaign has been all over me. Let’s see who turns in the homework in the end, the rabbit or the turtle? You may see your face in the rear-view mirror as the Clinton train passes you by.
Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | March 12, 2008, 1:33 am 1:33 am
A democratic process is one that allows a secret ballot with the possibility of 100% participation. Caucuses are not secret ballot and disenfranchise many voters. While the DNC is stupid enough to allow them, they are smart enough to have SD’s to offset the disparity when the race is close or has low turnout. Normally, the primaries determine the nominee but the race is too close this time for that to happen. That is why the final outcome will be determined by the judgement of the SD’s.
Posted by: DCVoter | March 12, 2008, 1:36 am 1:36 am
Thanks, SJ, exactly where I was going…The truely divisive/mean-spirited comments this primary are from the BHO supporters trashing HRC. After such a venomous barrage of hate how can those supporters think we will run to their camp eager to join hands now, for the common good?
Posted by: disgusted | March 12, 2008, 1:36 am 1:36 am
All the talk about popular vote so I went to Real Clear Politics and checked the popular vote. INCLUDING MI & FL but without adding in the extra one hundred and fifty thousand from Mississippi tonight it stands at:
Popular Vote (w/FL & MI)* – 13,852,273 47.5% 13,774,963 47.3% Obama +77,310 +0.2%
Obama still has the popular vote when you add those 2 states in…….again it is all in the math.
Posted by: Sam | March 12, 2008, 1:37 am 1:37 am
DCVoter,
As usual you nailed it. I noticed a huge shift in the MSM this past week when Newsweek informed the world that the race between Obama and Clinton was now a statistical dead heat. This seems to have more import on the press than any voting outcomes. Public sentiment, come the convention, will win the day. If HRC is ahead in the national polls even 5 points, and holds the popular vote, those Supers will move with her. I’m fairly certain that the Pennsylvania-Florida combo will deliver the knockout punch.
Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | March 12, 2008, 1:40 am 1:40 am
“Sam”,
Welcome back. You keep bringing up the popular vote. Sounds like you are starting to worry about that situation?
Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | March 12, 2008, 1:42 am 1:42 am
I checked RCP numbers against the actual numbers from the individual SOS’s… they are not in agreement. From what I understand, all the voter tallies are not complete yet is the only explanation. I have seen some of the MSM sites use percentages to “extrapolate” voter turnouts to caucus contests and make errors. My guess is that accounts for the disparity in some of the MSM sites and also that some of them use the MI and FL numbers differently. The national popular vote appears too close to call for either candidate but the state popular votes are clearly defined.
Posted by: DCVoter | March 12, 2008, 1:42 am 1:42 am
ABC News numbers have been the most consistent and reliable that I’ve tracked on. OBAMA is currently up by 100K. Pennsylvania will leave that number in the dust, and after Florida it will be a distant memory, an asterik in the annals of elections.
Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | March 12, 2008, 1:47 am 1:47 am
Again with the math thing? The only math you need to worry about is how many superdelegates will be pledging their support for Senator Clinton which will tally up to at least 2,025. If you don’t like the rules, then you shouldn’t play.
Posted by: LOM | March 12, 2008, 1:47 am 1:47 am
Oh and on more than one site, I saw the numbers use the TX voter tally twice (once for Clinton win in primary and once for Obama win in caucus). Stupid mistake misleading the voters. LOL… I am sure they have a disclaimer somewhere and hope that was within the margin of error.
Posted by: DCVoter | March 12, 2008, 1:49 am 1:49 am
Hillary is an angry cheater and lier. She will makes us loose the election against McCain. She rather have her way than the country’s. It is disgusting and sad.
Posted by: Alma | March 12, 2008, 1:50 am 1:50 am
LOM apparently you havent been keeping up or missed some posts. WestCoastMessenger, myself, and others have made it clear that the SDs will decide the outcome. However, we like to bounce the numbers and analyze as we debate. You never know if you are speaking to a voter who has yet to cast a vote.
Posted by: DCVoter | March 12, 2008, 1:51 am 1:51 am
“LOM”,
Yeah, you’re still right on that point. It’s easy to get sucked into arguments about the math. Given the increase in crumble rate coming out of the inside of the OBAMA campaign this week, with increasing friendly fire casualties, this thing may be a wrap sooner than we all think. HILLARY’s handling her cases with finesse.
Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | March 12, 2008, 1:51 am 1:51 am
“Alma”,
What’s up with the emotional attack? Can you provide some specifics if you are trying to convince me to vote for John McCain.
Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | March 12, 2008, 1:53 am 1:53 am
alma makes my case very clear….there is no way the HRC supporters will feel a need to back BHO after those sorts of tirades.
Posted by: disgusted | March 12, 2008, 1:53 am 1:53 am
“FactChecker”,
HILLARY CLINTON has made it clear that she’s not interested in pursuing racial divides in this race. It is not a viable strategy to consider. We can discuss it and analyze it, but at the end of the day its about issues.
Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | March 12, 2008, 1:57 am 1:57 am
DCV, I was referring to Sam’s post. Sorry. Trust me, I have about three monster, ahem, large spreadsheets I’ve been tracking. I love doing math and analysis, but I wouldn’t want to lead anyone on that I’m educated and a Clinton supporter.
My opposition to the math assignment posed by the Obama supporters is that are blatantly disregarding a long-established process and the person who has the most pledged delegates doesn’t automatically win (unless it exceeds the 2,024 threshold). This election is going to rely on the traditional role of superdelegates and so there are some folks here who need to lay off the math lessons.
Posted by: LOM | March 12, 2008, 1:57 am 1:57 am
What happened to the “50-state strategy”? Seems like Clinton is only gunning for 15. To her, this isn’t the United States of America, it’s the United “5-Most-Populous” States of America, as she has continuously (and fallaciously) alleged. Living in one of the other 45 states, I find her strategy patently offensive, undemocratic, and against everything this country stands for. She can cherry-pick her way to the election all she wants, but in representing only 5 states, she will NEVER represent the people.
For being a self-proclaimed “fighter”, she sures does concede easily when she is behind in the polls: see SC, WY, MS, WI, etc. Obama, on the other hand, consistently comes back from 20-30 point deficits to either win or knock the lead within 5. Who’s the REAL fighter in this campaign? For those who can’t count at home (see: exit polls that show uneducated people flocking to Hillary), that’s 30 wins for Obama, 14 for Hillary “Only My Home State and CA Count” Clinton.
Posted by: Carla J | March 12, 2008, 1:58 am 1:58 am
Hey “Catiger”,
Got your claws out. Let me ask, did you ever hear of a thing called a politician? They re-position their interests ALL THE TIME. It’s all about making the sweetest deal possible at the end of the day. Why do you think the masses of them are still silent?
Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | March 12, 2008, 2:00 am 2:00 am
“Carlaj”,
Sounds like you’ve been getting your dose of the “Daily Kos” mafia. There are sprinters, in this case OBAMA, and there are marathoners, that would be CLINTON and MCCAIN. You figure it out.
Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | March 12, 2008, 2:01 am 2:01 am
I swear is it that some of these Obama supporters just don’t know how this thing works, over and over they are told that supers do not have to stay with any candidate and that is the reason they are given that post.
They can all sit and look at different out come in this race and decide what or who they feel will give them a win, this is not a game people the DNC wants the WH they are not going to put anyone that they feel cant deliver this to them, and to put it simpler they are not going to run the risk of having Clinton supporters turn on them.
Do you guys honestly feel they don’t know this party needs some major damage control, you feel they are not aware of what is going on, geez grow up this thing is bigger then some silly math count or who is winning a few silly states that does not matter in the long run.
Posted by: SJ | March 12, 2008, 2:01 am 2:01 am
Interesting Newsweek poll done March 5-6, registered voters were asked to rank GE’s between each dem candidate and McCain:
Clinton 48% McCain 46% Other/Unsure 6%
Obama 46% McCain 45% Other/Unsure 9%
The other part of the poll is the statistical dead heat between the dems:
Obama 45% Clinton 44% Other/Unsure 11%
Posted by: DCVoter | March 12, 2008, 2:02 am 2:02 am
I’m not delusional. Clearly, neither candidate has 2,025 yet else this race would be over. Again, the process is such that pledged delegates and unpledged delegates are calculated in the total. She may currently be behind in the pledged delegate count, but it is possible for her to still win once the pledged delegates are tallied. So, to reiterate this again, it’s less about math and more about following the process in place for nominating a candidate.
And thanks for the personal insult–it makes your arguments that much more compelling and you definitely come across as having far superior intelligence.
Posted by: LOM | March 12, 2008, 2:03 am 2:03 am
WestCoastMessenger: “… They re-position their interests …” they do. That’s you last hope, I guess. As I said earlier, keep dreaming and have a wonderful dream. You know, like, you become her running mate. Who knows, politicians re-position themselves all the time.
Hey, maybe sun will rise from the west tomorrow?
Posted by: catiger | March 12, 2008, 2:04 am 2:04 am
WestCoastMessenger: thank you for addressing my concerns rather than making a personal attack. You’re a textbook representative of the Clinton campaign.
Hillary Clinton doesn’t care about the American people — she cares only about Hillary Clinton. The Republicans have this thing locked up thanks to her new strategy of negative campaigning. The moral of the story for our kids: if you can’t win on the substantive issues (as we saw before the negative campaign began), you should resort to name-calling, fear-mongering, and making up completely absurd claims to win at any cost. The only “win” here is for the Republicans. Thanks Hillary for another 4 years of Bush in the White House!
Posted by: Carla J | March 12, 2008, 2:08 am 2:08 am
Well, thanks for the interesting dialogue everyone. Tomorrow is another day and I look forward to seeing the sun rise from the West…
Posted by: LOM | March 12, 2008, 2:13 am 2:13 am
ok LOM no worries… but I do think people who are educated about the political processes (like these primaries and caucuses) do play a role in discussing and sharing how the numbers work. It is not enough to grow the electorate without educating them on how to: actively participate, find sources of information, and understand what the sources are telling them.
I spoke to many new voters in TX (not young ones) that I personally have lobbied to participate in the process for the first time in their lives. I didnt just try to sell them on my choice. I encouraged them to participate online and learn. They felt comfort in learning, participating, and asking questions anonymously. Now my phone rings like crazy because they are so excited they want to discuss politics. You never know who you might be helping online… the end result just might be a more united country.
Posted by: DCVoter | March 12, 2008, 2:16 am 2:16 am
Funny, so many people here agree with Rush Limbaugh about the importance of HRC getting the nomination. Who’d have thunk it?
Posted by: SuziQ | March 12, 2008, 2:29 am 2:29 am
Actually, half the voters participating in the democratic primaries want Obama to get the nom and the other half wants Clinton to get the nom. I dont think many of them care about what Rush Limbaugh wants. LOL
But you bring out an interesting point. “Voters participating in the democratic primaries” includes Indies and Reps. However, 9% of Reps have been voting for Obama and no one really knows about the indies. What we do know is the core majority of the dem party loyal voters support Clinton and that only the fringe liberal dem loyalists support Obama. Some of us, like myself, are simply anti-Republican this year and want to see the most electable candidate get the nom to have the greatest chance to beat McCain. IMHO, detailed analyses show Clinton is the most electable and the polls are now starting to support that as voters are shifting in public opinion. Rush Limbaugh is over-inflating his importance if he thinks he is personally affecting the election on a national level.
Posted by: DCVoter | March 12, 2008, 2:46 am 2:46 am
i actually know some Republicans who are working to elect Obama…sincerely, not as a ploy However, I know very few Hillary people. Guess it’s not my demographic.
Posted by: SuziQ | March 12, 2008, 2:55 am 2:55 am
After seeing the video of Sally Kern’s seriously anti-gay hate speech, I wonder of McCain will reject her words and if the RNC will tell her to be quiet until after the election at least. LOL She was so out there on the tip of the right wing it was sickening.
Posted by: DCVoter | March 12, 2008, 3:26 am 3:26 am
“…If Jesse Jackson were not black, he wouldn’t be in the race.”
-Geraldine Ferraro
Posted by: Chris | March 12, 2008, 3:29 am 3:29 am
I am convinced more than ever that Hillary Clinton is going to DESTROY the Democratic party.
She is set to destroy Obama to get the nomination which in the end she will be destroying herself.
This continued race card playing has totally turned off the African-American vote for Hillary as well as many others.
Shame on you Hillary!
Posted by: Maritza | March 12, 2008, 4:15 am 4:15 am
The polls taken say that hillary gets the less educated voters. these posts are proof of that
Posted by: wayne | March 12, 2008, 4:55 am 4:55 am
Wake up!
Please investigate:
Rezko
Farrakhan
Muslim father
Canadian ties
Where did his name come from. Kansas mother?
It is really scary.
Posted by: America the Beautiful | March 12, 2008, 7:02 am 7:02 am
Powers quit
Posted by: America the Beautiful | March 12, 2008, 7:03 am 7:03 am
Obama rejects Farrakhna but still attends the church that supports him.
Posted by: America the Beautiful | March 12, 2008, 7:04 am 7:04 am
It seems that Geraldine has been practicing her reality based racism for a long time. Please see below for her 1988 really racist comments:
“If Jesse Jackson were not black, he wouldn’t be in the race,” she said.
Really. The cite is an April 15, 1988 Washington Post story (byline: Howard Kurtz), available only on Nexis.
Here’s the full context:
Placid of demeanor but pointed in his rhetoric, Jackson struck out repeatedly today against those who suggest his race has been an asset in the campaign. President Reagan suggested Tuesday that people don’t ask Jackson tough questions because of his race. And former representative Geraldine A. Ferraro (D-N.Y.) said Wednesday that because of his “radical” views, “if Jesse Jackson were not black, he wouldn’t be in the race.”
Asked about this at a campaign stop in Buffalo, Jackson at first seemed ready to pounce fiercely on his critics. But then he stopped, took a breath, and said quietly, “Millions of Americans have a point of view different from” Ferraro’s.
Discussing the same point in Washington, Jackson said, “We campaigned across the South . . . without a single catcall or boo. It was not until we got North to New York that we began to hear this from Koch, President Reagan and then Mrs. Ferraro . . . . Some people are making hysteria while I’m making history.”
Posted by: Real Realist | March 12, 2008, 7:20 am 7:20 am
People are talking about Florida. Have we forgotten Elian Gonzales who’s mum died in the sea in trying to give him the opportunity to live the american dream. Do we remeber who has brought Elian back to Cuba under guns and security guards at 2:00 am. Obama has the moral responsibility to help people to remember that Elian’s misfortune is part of the 35 years of Hillary’s experience. Florida for Obama 08
Posted by: BKMC | March 12, 2008, 8:04 am 8:04 am
Reverse Racism at its finest surfaces in the Obama campaign’s accusations regarding Geraldine Ferraro’s remarks.
“If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position.”
Simply confronting the facts presented in exit voter polls showing huge (9 to 1 in Mississippi) voter preference of Obama by black voters validates the statement. White support for Obama was signficantly lower as it has been in other state primaries.
“He happens to be very lucky to be who he is.”
Actually, fortunate would be a better choice than lucky, but being half black and half white allows Obama better odds when playing on the fears of both races.
“And the country is caught up in the concept.”
Obviously, non-white and women voters are not as racially motivated in voter choice for as their exit poll numbers indicate.
The Obama campaign and the candidate himself have been quick to play the race card at will when it serves their purpose.
Senator Obama should move quickly to reject and denounce the race baiting and sexism that has been promoted by his campaign.
To do anything less suggests political motivation based on false implications derived from tactics rooted in fear mongering.
Posted by: Change | March 12, 2008, 8:17 am 8:17 am
Why does the media let themselves get played in this way? Don’t they know that, while it may not always work (South Carolina) nothing coming out of the Clinton campaign isn’t scripted. You would think that a seasoned reporter would have had the forsight to treat this statment for what it was, a ruse by the Clintons to infuse race into the race while having plausible deniability. I’m not saying that it’s not a story, but if you make a note of it but don’t report it. How many other reporters would she have made the same racist comments to. If the Clintons want to run a racist campaign don’t allow these marginalized players to do so. If ignored would gerry had stepped up the racist campaign? ..and if she did, couldn’t they then just report it for what it is, a Clinton campaign strategy.
Posted by: Larry | March 12, 2008, 8:35 am 8:35 am
She does agree that is why she took so long,her stupid husband started this ages ago and she get stupid people like her to carry this on so they can not be blamed .Gads wake up this woman will do ANYTHING to get into the White House but what she doesn’t know that all us who voted for Obama will NOT be voting for her so you have another 4 years of a REP and between the two Mc Caim don’t look so bad compared to her.
Posted by: honest | March 12, 2008, 8:53 am 8:53 am
Hillaby ‘wants this campaign to be about the issues’?
Racism isn’t an issue?
Posted by: Deep Release | March 12, 2008, 9:02 am 9:02 am
Ferraro is right.. Barack wouldn’t be in this position if he was a white man!… As a candidate that has sparked the American People in this fashion, he would be the nominee already and this would be done.
Posted by: Lawrence | March 12, 2008, 9:19 am 9:19 am
Please read Obama’s secrets in tis week’s Enquirer. The Republican chairman is quoted. The picture of Obama’s dress came out in the Enquirer.
Obama blamed Hillary. According to Rezkowatch this is only the beginning. The London Times have been doing article after article on Obama’s connection to Rezko, Mahdi-Auchi, & Alsamarre. The Rezko trial is starting with local corruption and it is going international.
Posted by: marie | March 12, 2008, 9:22 am 9:22 am
I find it amazing that Geraldine Ferraro would state that Obama is in the position he is simply because he is black. After all, she was an obscure congress-woman before Walter Mondale decided to make her his running mate. Was she chosen simply because she was a woman and Mondale wanted to make some history? Stupid comments by a woman who should know better.
Posted by: John | March 12, 2008, 9:37 am 9:37 am
Well no that we have a 6 Week Break….
Show US the Money – Hillary Tax forms – April 15th…
Posted by: Lawrence | March 12, 2008, 9:39 am 9:39 am
Maritza, It has turned off this white middle-aged male Independent voter as well. Most folks outside of core Democrats see the Clintons for what they are.
Posted by: John | March 12, 2008, 9:56 am 9:56 am
So everyone now thinks Geraldine Ferraro was just MERELY stating the obvious….and how innocent this all must seem.
She made the very SAME comment regarding Obama, that she made back in 1984 about Jesse Jackson….someone please tell me, what is her INTENT by making this statement?
We’re here in 2008, 24 years later, and she is making the EXACT same statement with a different candidate who just also happens to be black??? Why? And then we’re not supposed to glean any hint of racism from the outdated statement? We’re supposed to be stupid and not understand code words or phrases or sentences?!
C’mon Geraldine, you can do better than that!
Posted by: LA in Indiana | March 12, 2008, 9:58 am 9:58 am
I find it amazing that Geraldine Ferraro would state that Obama is in the position he is simply because he is black. After all, she was an obscure congress-woman before Walter Mondale decided to make her his running mate. Was she chosen simply because she was a woman and Mondale wanted to make some history? Stupid comments by a woman who should know better.
Of course she was, even she admits that, but this is comparing apples to oranges and to debate said point concedes that they both got to where they are for reasons other than their strengths as leaders. She however, was chosen by one man as part of a political strategy. Senator Obama has been chosen by a majority of voters in the democratic primaries. To say that he is where he is because he is black, goes back to the Clinton campaign saying that all Obama supporters are somehow delusional. It’s not only insulting to Obama but to the majority of voters and caucus goers in the nation.
Posted by: Larry | March 12, 2008, 9:59 am 9:59 am
For all you Clinton supporters who think she will beat McCain….57% of voter 1992 and 51% in 1996 simply could not vote for Bill. The only reason he was elected in the first place was because Perot siphoned votes from Bush. Do you really think folks are now more willing to vote Hillary? Do not equate anti-Bush with pro-Hillary or even pro-Democrat. Hillary will drive liberal Republicans and Independents like myself away..
Posted by: John | March 12, 2008, 10:04 am 10:04 am
To “Deep Release”: I am a supporter of Hillary Clinton. That being said, above all else, I am a democrat. And being a democrat, I will support WHICHEVER candidate wins the nomination, be it Clinton OR Obama. If you were a real democrat, you would realize that the only way to truly defeat the Republicans in the election is to rally around the nominated candidate — uniting the party. You don’t sound like a true democrat, but more of a “woman hater”, who states that no one who votes for Obama would EVER vote for Clinton in a general election, but would rather vote for McCain. Shame on you “Deep Release” for your unintelligent ravings, gender hatred and ignorance.
Posted by: A True Democrat | March 12, 2008, 10:07 am 10:07 am
Larry, I agree with you.
Posted by: John | March 12, 2008, 10:07 am 10:07 am
CORRECTION: My original comments needed to be directed to “HONEST”, and not “Deep Release”. My apologies.
Posted by: A True Democrat | March 12, 2008, 10:12 am 10:12 am
Bottom line is Obama was successful in distracting voters from NAFTA gate and his campaign teams disasters and 3 AM ads.
Now, we know the Obama’s strategy by looking at following pattern:
Remember the controversy created during SC by Sharpton and the folks about “Fairy Tale”. In Mississippi, he tried very hard to introduce the photo controversy, digging up last year’s Clintons remark but got an opportunity when Ferraro made the comment( which I think was fair comment).
Now, we understand that he is no different from his peer politician even if Obama, his campaign and biased analysts says he is different.
Posted by: Humm | March 12, 2008, 10:12 am 10:12 am
It is odd to me that whenever there is a need to really turn out black voters Obama plays the racial indignation card. In conjunction with South Carolina, it was Bill Clinton’s “fairy tale” remark and others. In Mississippi it was resurrecting the photo of him in African garb and Ferraro’s speculation. It seems pretty clear that Obama feels he needs to pull this card in situations where there are large numbers of African-American voters who need to be pulled to the polls. Obama knows nothing pulls African-Americans to the polls like racial indignation, even if it is misplaced rage against longtime believers like Bill Clinton and Geraldine Ferraro.
Posted by: hopesprings52 | March 12, 2008, 10:23 am 10:23 am
I think America is Afraid for Race.
Scared
That in itself says a lot.
There fore American Needs to Wake up.
Mr Obama becomes presidency, Any while American out there, will be called racist, and can be arrested and jailed
for making any kind of comment That can be twisted, misconstrued and directed as racist.
Are you Prepared for that, Because It is going to Be extremely High in this presidency.
Just Disagreeing with him, even if you have the facts, will be taken as you are doing so because he is black.
I put obama in the same category as mr bush, are far as ability to be a president.
Mr Obama has used himself as being black to get votes. Mr Obama has campaign at many churches, using his religion to get votes. More than his abilities, and his record.
He has proven he and black people will, make racist a major part of government, life, and making policies, and that it will be used against anyone when needed to discredit anyone, or get their way.
So in trying to be honest and fair and prove you believe in civil rights you have voted for him. Be Prepared for what is to come.
You are entrusting your country and your future in these hands. Fully aware of all the lies he has been catch in.
This is extremely important, nothing to be taken lightly, and nor for a cause.
Posted by: seah | March 12, 2008, 10:47 am 10:47 am
Keep it Obama the sound you are hearing is women stampeding to the polls for Hillary in Pa. This Ferraro thing cuts both ways and what he doesn’t want is to make more middle aged white women mad. I think they will drop this when they take a look at the latest polling showing Hillary up 19 in Pa.(Survey USA). This race baiting works in Mississippi but not in PA.
Posted by: russell | March 12, 2008, 10:51 am 10:51 am
she rejects her statement. but does she reject her support? like she forced obama to reject the support of his surrogates! if she does? will she return her funds that she contributed to the campaign?
Posted by: CITIZEN X | March 12, 2008, 11:05 am 11:05 am
The numbers I came up with based off 5 different sites including the NYTimes, the DNC’s numbers, and some of the general numbers from the last three presidential elections…
Show very strongly how Obama is the candidate that has by far the best chance of not only winning but expanding the party.
I am not alone with those numbers MSNBC has similar numbers to mine.
..and actually my numbers got picked up and checked by Newsweek. They emailed me asking for my credentials …and I told them I was just a film guy in NH.
…but they are going to credit me.
Posted by: dl | March 12, 2008, 11:36 am 11:36 am
I should also say that the guys at the Daily Show again took in lots of the statistics and came up with similar numbers and a map to mine.
Posted by: dl | March 12, 2008, 11:38 am 11:38 am
All Sen. Clinton has said since that comment sounds like bla bla bla. Sen. Obama fired Ms. Powers and Clinton was happy with that. I guess the same standard is not expected to apply to the loud mouths in her camp. Just imaging if the comment was made by someone in the Obama camp. I guess you know what will happen.
Posted by: Chan | March 12, 2008, 11:40 am 11:40 am
DC Voter your comparisons between resumes (not sure which article you that comment was on)…is funny…
First of all I agree she has more years than he does… because …well she has more years.
But it is more important what they did with those years.(remember this is the guy that left being the President of the Harvard Law Review – if you don’t know – that means he could have written his ticket anywhere – but went back to help factoy workers in Chicago and focus on being a Civil Rights lawyer…oh and teach constitutional law.)
If you measure them proportionally Sen. Obama kicks butt… there is no way of denying that (but I am sure people will…it’s all about spin).
Yes she was a lawyer for 16 years much longer than he… and I encourage everyone to look at those 16 years as a lawyer.
…Hillary has a longer resume because she has a longer life. and John McCain has an even longer life…
The differences in experience and how you weight their differing types, between Sen Clinton’s and Sen Obama’s experience, when you put it up against John McCain is not big enough to use that as the reason to pick the candidate. This is a bad trap to fall into.
Whomever you think has the most quality and choice experience … it is miniscule when you put it next to John McCain’s very long resume.
This is not some political spin I am trying here…
Look…
By setting up this argument to have in the primary (and Hillary has to do that she loses on the other arguments) you are setting up the argument for the general election…
I believe she loses even this one but more importantly…
The argument in the fall has to be on judgement and fixing the main problem in Washington which IS (in my opinion and I think most everyone would agree) the use of fear and log jamming in congress to put us in the situation we are in…
If it is on who will protect us, who has the most experience, and not on judgement …and the race was between John McCain and Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama…who do you think the American people are going to pick?
Get on the judgement issue and stop feeding into the argument they want to have. …and get away from the fear card…Republicans win that too.
Posted by: dl | March 12, 2008, 11:44 am 11:44 am
Hillary takes the “high road”? Hillary can say what ever she will..but the DAMAGE has been done..Ferraro’s purpose, just as she works as a Union BUSTER lobbyist..she is the AXE woman for Clinton..that’s why she’s called “super delegate” I guess…Hillary thinks its SUPER to run a TRIANGULATED (Clinton style)racist campaign for the rednecks who buy into that crap. Ferraro did her job..set the tone and hopefully will experience a backlash from the America that yearns for CHANGE!.GO OBAMA..yes we can…!
Posted by: Miriam | March 12, 2008, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm
Why does the electorate think it is racist to mention the elephant in the room? BHO is black(half) and 90% of the black voters are voting for him…never happened prior for any group or politician. So, one would think it bears discussion. It is not happening with the white, asian or hispanic voters, or the male and female groups. Have to wonder why.
Posted by: pp | March 12, 2008, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm
I will not vote for Hillary in the fall. If she is the candidate, I will not vote in the Presidential election. I am a life long democrat, but I am appalled at her response to Geraldine Ferraro’s comments.
Ms. Ferraro has to go. Aside from the fact that she is just plainly wrong, her response to the consequences of her own words is dumbfounding to me. To blame the split in our great party on the other side is nothing short of ridiculous. It’s her fault, she made the comment, she needs to go.
Hillary has always been a role model for me. As a midwestern kid, I actually applauded her efforts in the 90s at Health Care reform. However, her drive to be president has clouded her judgement to the point that she no longer is following her own ethical compass.
Perhaps Ms. Ferraro can explain to Hillary how being Bill’s wife is the only reason she is a strong, capable candidate. If you read this sentence and reject it, you have to reject the idea that ‘if Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position.’ If you don’t, your a hypocrite.
Posted by: Jess B | March 12, 2008, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm
This whole Ferraro gambit is obviously deliberate on the part of the Clintons. It does what they’ve been trying to do since Iowa: Marginalize Obama as the “Jesse Jackson” candidate. Unfortunately for the Clintons, they’ve done it too late, and Obama will win the nomination.
Unfortunately for the Democrats, the Clintons have damaged Obama through the hateful “Obama’s just where he is because he’s black” and the ridiculous “McCain passes the commander-in-chief threshold and Obama doesn’t” arguments.
It should be clear to all by now that the Clintons’ only remaining objective is to destroy Obama so they can run in 2012. They will not catch him in the popular vote – even if Michigan and Florida were to be counted – and they won’t catch him in the number of pledged delegates either. The only way they can win is to somehow manage to convince enough superdelegates to overturn the will of the party, which is a dubious proposition at best.
The only chance of salvaging the general election is for party elders – Gore, Pelosi, Edwards – to come forward and note what everyone is slowly beginning to realize, that the Clintons lost and every day they stay in the contest further reduces Obama’s chances in November. The Clintons will not quit on their own volition.
Posted by: John | March 12, 2008, 1:27 pm 1:27 pm
Still, are her statements the uncensored ravings of a bigot – or yet Another example of the Clinton campaign playing the race card and then saying “who, me”? Comments like Ms. Ferraro’s play into the fears and resentments of some Lower-Income less educated white voters – the same voters who just so happen to be Sen. Clinton’s strongest voting bloc.
Mrs. Clinton should be LUCKY she was married to an ex-president or she would not be where she is. This statement should be laughed at, and women everywhere should be embarrased.
Posted by: Wendy | March 12, 2008, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm
Her statements are the statements of uncensored ravings of a bigot – or yet another example of the Clinton campaign playing the race card and then saying “who, me”? Comments like Ms. Ferraro’s play into the fears and resentments of some lower-income white voters – the same voters who just so happen to be Sen. Clinton’s strongest voting bloc.
Posted by: sara | March 12, 2008, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm
I don’t see why people found Ferraro’s comments so objectionable. the point is that Obama’s gotten outsize attention ever since he became the first black editor of the Harvard Law Review. That led to a book contract. How many white law review editors have gotten book contracts while still in Law school for a memoir. And, in 2004 had he been a white STATE Senator, he wouldn’t have been selected for the keynote address at the Democratic Convention. So, her comments ar reasonable and unlike Obama’s people, she didn’t resort to name calling.
Another thing, has anyone ever read the stories printed at the time of Obama’s election to the Law Review (early 90′s and available on the web)? He gave his father a promotion to “Finance Minister” of Kenya (he was a bureaucrat) and called his mother an anthropologist (instead of a ditzy woman who abandoned her family to pursue relationships with men. What kind of character/insecurity does it reveal for an adult – surrounded at the time by wealth and prestige to try to invent a “persona” rather than be authentic. He has a big problem with authenticity.
Posted by: s. valenti | March 12, 2008, 3:27 pm 3:27 pm
I don’t see why people found Ferraro’s comments so objectionable. the point is that Obama’s gotten outsize attention ever since he became the first black editor of the Harvard Law Review. That led to a book contract. How many white law review editors have gotten book contracts while still in Law school for a memoir. And, in 2004 had he been a white STATE Senator, he wouldn’t have been selected for the keynote address at the Democratic Convention. So, her comments ar reasonable and unlike Obama’s people, she didn’t resort to name calling.
Another thing, has anyone ever read the stories printed at the time of Obama’s election to the Law Review (early 90′s and available on the web)? He gave his father a promotion to “Finance Minister” of Kenya (he was a bureaucrat) and called his mother an anthropologist (instead of a ditzy woman who abandoned her family to pursue relationships with men. What kind of character/insecurity does it reveal for an adult – surrounded at the time by wealth and prestige to try to invent a “persona” rather than be authentic. He has a big problem with authenticity.
Posted by: s. valenti | March 12, 2008, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm
ms fery dont know what she is talking about and pls dont confuse people for nothing. how ms fery will react if obama was her causin??? Obama is white and black he is not 100% black or 100% white he 50/50 it is why america is trying to come togheter thruh him to redefine the new directions for the common good. the party need the unity right now not senseless comment.
thanks
Posted by: jack | March 12, 2008, 4:13 pm 4:13 pm
Back in January when Senator Kennedy endorsed Seator Obama, he said “Through Barack, I believe we will move beyond the politics of fear and personal destruction and unite our country with the politics of common purpose.”
That was before the Clintons introduced the politics of fear and personal destruction into the race……but whatdaya know. Did he predict the future, or is it that he just knows Barack’s political opponent all too well?
Posted by: Larry | March 12, 2008, 5:30 pm 5:30 pm
Interesting comment Jack. One problem, BHO is not running as bi-racial, he is running as a black man. Anyone ever heard him mention the white mother that raised him?
Posted by: pp | March 12, 2008, 5:31 pm 5:31 pm
S.Valenti…not that I know a lot about Obama’s time back in college… but I do know that he is credited for bringing in new writers to the review…bringing in women who had not been heard from in those circles from other parts of the country.
It is even referred to in several publications as “the Obama Effect”
so I don’t know about a couple of sentences he wrote about boasting of his parents in college…who knows you might be right but I do know …his skills when he ran the review were considered extraordinary for any President/Editor. He changed the circle of communication going on in the law articles… and maybe THAT is why he got to right the book …and his cool background.
Posted by: dl | March 12, 2008, 6:30 pm 6:30 pm
Good God woman. What a deceitful lie. You never even apologized, let alone REJECTED her statement until basically a couple of days after it was made. Then you slide the word “reject” into some LOCAL news network interview. That doesn’t do a thing. Why not come out on the major networks immediately and say you rejected her racist remark when she made it.
What a piece of work. You are back to “nice” Hillary for a day or two after your surrogate did her job. I’m guessing it is about time for Bill and Chelsea to attend another black church service too. We are definitely moving into another bi-polar psycho Hillary phase.
Pennsylvania voters, I know you have to recognize what is going on by now. We managed to fight her off pretty well on the popular vote in Texas. I hope you will finish the job in Pennsylvania.
Please don’t fall for her NAFTA story. The Canadian government came out and stated Obama’s representative DID NOT convey in anyway something different than he stated in public.
The Canadian governement DID SAY A CLINTON SUPPORTER CONTACTED THEM AND INDICATED THEY SHOULD TAKE ANY STATEMENTS ABOUT US PULLING OUT OF NAFTA WITH A GRAIN OF SALT.
The Canadians were not very happy to have been interjected into our ridiculous squabbles. Chalk up an enemy for Hillary before day one.
Posted by: White Female Voter in Texas | March 12, 2008, 7:40 pm 7:40 pm
Once again, the Democrats will self destruct. I can see McCain winning and you know, we deserve everything we get or don’t get. Hillary has worked very hard to get where she has gotten, unfortunately she is too much of a politician and for a woman that is unforgivable. Obama is very charismatic and very well organized, otherwise he would not be where he is now, but it’s hard to project whether voting for him will be a good idea or it will be another ineffectual leader such as GWB for whom people voted because he was very nice and just like one of us. I, for one, being a Florida voter disenfranchised from the primary by the Democratic will not vote for either one of these two losers who will lose us the opportunity to get the White House. It will be almost a relief to leave the cleanup to another Republic – one for whom I will not vote either.
Posted by: me | March 12, 2008, 9:45 pm 9:45 pm
After hearing Obama’s pastor speak about white people today, I can’t see how he could possibly bring this country together, especially with the “racists” attacks his campaign is already using on people who have fought their entire political careers for equality. He will lose in the general election. Obama is destroying our chance for “change” from the Republican agenda. I hope people wake up in time to realize that HIllary is the best person for the job. She can beat McCain!
Posted by: Clair | March 13, 2008, 4:27 pm 4:27 pm