Clinton Campaign: Obama “Can’t Win a General Election”
On a conference call today, Mark Penn — the senior adviser to Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, declared that Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, can’t win the general election.
USA Today posted the audio HERE.
Penn says that Obama can’t win Pennsylvania, a primary which is key to the general.
"We believe fundamentally it provides a very test of who can really win the general election," Penn says. "We believe this will again show Hillary is ready to win and Senator Obama really can’t win a general election."
After a reporter presses for clarification, the Clinton campaign denied Penn made the statement and Penn clarifies, saying: "I think if you can’t win Pennsylvania, it raises serious questions about whether he can win a general election."
- jpt
UPDATE: Obama campaign spox Tommy Vietor says: “It can’t inspire too much confidence in the Clinton campaign when their pollster ignores both polls and math by making comments as divorced from reality as this one. Senator Obama is leading in delegates, states won, the popular vote, and fares better than Senator Clinton against John McCain in poll after poll, including critical swing states like Iowa, Colorado, Pennsylvania, New Mexico and Wisconsin.”
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Ya. He won’t be able to with PA AFTER you and other Clinton surrogates get done tearing him down……
Posted by: The Commander Guy | March 13, 2008, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm
Obama canceled his campaign stop this morning at a PA college claiming he had to be in Washington. Maybe the audience was so small, it would have been embarrassing to make the stop. Many rock stars who have poor ticket sales cancel their concerts. I think we are seeing a parallel here.
Posted by: Jay | March 13, 2008, 4:56 pm 4:56 pm
Yeah, I don’t even know what the other 51 states bother to vote. Just ask PA who should be President.
I just love their backwards way of thinking. Hillary can’t win more states… she can’t win more delegates… she can’t win the popular vote… and she fairs worse against McCain than Obama does in just about every poll in the last month. But she’s gonna win PA, so she should be our next president! Bass Ackwards.
Posted by: Linda | March 13, 2008, 5:03 pm 5:03 pm
Hilliary can’t win the primary. If she keeps this up, she won’t even get VP. If she can stand by Bill, surely she can stand by Obama.
Posted by: cba | March 13, 2008, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm
Karen, get over it. It a free country. I can say exactly what I want. He might have sold out in Indiana, but he was a bust in PA.
Posted by: Jay | March 13, 2008, 5:05 pm 5:05 pm
I don’t see why this is being made into a big deal…What do you want Clinton to come out and say, ” Obama can win the general election.” How does that affect her elect ability in the general election? The media and the issues it chooses to magnify ten-fold lately has just become so ridiculous. Clinton is Obama’s opposition…it is in their best interest…to make sure she is the better candidate than he is…and this is the samw with his campaign. The are only 3 differences the two candidates have because their take on the real issues are not any different.
1. Gender
2. Race
3. Experience
Thats it…there isn’t much difference on political issues. So this is what they will attack each other with…so expect more race, gender and experience attacks
Posted by: mona | March 13, 2008, 5:16 pm 5:16 pm
It’s TRUE! Obama cannot win the GE. PA. is just one reason. The other reason is the GOP will chew him up and spit him out. If he thinks Geraldine was mean to him, he has a rude awakening when the GOP gets a chance at him. They have perfected “dirty politics.” It’s the same party that took down a war hero who lost an arm and both legs in Vietnam…Max Cleland and don’t forget the Swiftboating of John Kerry in 2004. If they could do that, they won’t blink an eye at DESTROYING a nobody like Mr. Hope.
Posted by: Vickie | March 13, 2008, 5:18 pm 5:18 pm
Penn needs to get out more. There have been two or three articles demonstrating with examples from earlier elections that primary victories do not usually translate into general election victories, and vice versa. Also, he obviously hasn’t looked at the SurveyUSA 50-state polls, which shows neither Democrat beating McCain at the moment (Hillary v. McCain, toss-up; Obama v. McCain, slight lean to McCain.)
Why do you people participate in these silly conference calls, anyway?
Posted by: jac13 | March 13, 2008, 5:19 pm 5:19 pm
Jay,
Obama cancelled PA event because he is in Washington to vote on earmarks.
Posted by: Maritza | March 13, 2008, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm
Clarification: the poll is for PA.
Posted by: jac13 | March 13, 2008, 5:21 pm 5:21 pm
Obama CAN and WILL win the general election.
Posted by: Dem in Chicago | March 13, 2008, 5:23 pm 5:23 pm
Dear Mr. Penn,
Your candidate, Mrs. Hillary Rodham Clinton, hasn’t picked up a superdelegate endorsement since before March 4.
How come, do you think?
cheers,
holbein
Posted by: Holbein | March 13, 2008, 5:23 pm 5:23 pm
Obama cannot win the General election period! He can only win states that McCain will win in the fall. That is a fact.
I find it despicable that Obama continues to unite his heart and soul to a church whose pastor is filled with filth and the most racial sinful hatred vile deplorable ideologies I have ever heard. For him to say “God damn America” and for him to say to the families whose loved one died on 9/11 because they deserved it is inhuman and heartless. Obama has yet to denounce his pastor and renounce his membership from that church. The fact he hasn’t done so, tells the American people that he is accepting of this kind of belief. Obama shows that he has the same demeaning views of Americans when he does not put his hand on his heart during the national anthem, when he plans to support Africa more than the United Sates, when he schemes to divide blacks and whites, when he continues to support and attend a church that is dripping with hate and black supremacy.
Let this be a warning to us that Obama cannot and will never devote his life for America. 20 yrs attending a church where he has given his alms, his life, his spiritual devotion, his soul to all the vile beliefs that this cult perpetuates. It is deplorable!!
Obama is a shame to the American people. And yet there are still ignorant people who will think it’s nothing it’s just his pastor who thinks this way…. If they know anything about a church where you go to worship and be blessed — this fills your heart and soul and drives the way you think and view the world. If this is what Obama is feeding on and allowing his children to feed on all they will know and react to is the hatred and vile and disgrace and dehumanizing ideologies that will translate into Obama’s policies and laws if he becomes president.
No wonder Michelle says she is only now proud of America – it was in her heart so it came out it slipped but we know the truth – she doesn’t have to explain herself why he hates America so much! She is Jezebel in disguise.
Posted by: wilhem | March 13, 2008, 5:33 pm 5:33 pm
I am one of those “independent, youth” voters that are all the rage in the press these days.
I am strongly inclined toward the Democratic Party’s beliefs, and have always voted Democrat. I registered with the party this year to be allowed into the Iowa caucus so I could stand for Obama.
Hillary Clinton made remarks that she felt Obama’s support from young people and independent voters would evaporate by November 4th — implying that she would therefore be a better candidate.
I am telling you, as a young independent voter, that if Hillary Clinton becomes the nominee, I will be voting neither Democrat nor Republican in the general election. If Barack Obama becomes the nominee, you had better believe I will be there to vote for him.
Originally neutral on Clinton, I now see her as wholly dishonest.
The point is not about me, or how significant my opinion is. The point is to illustrate a real-life case: I *will* evaporate if Hillary wins, not the other way around. So before she engages in more divisive lies and manipulations, I would like her to think about that original claim of hers and whether it might have been wrong.
Posted by: Someone | March 13, 2008, 5:36 pm 5:36 pm
Every state Clinton like is always a test case.
Those she lost are just no good votes. She might be angling for a republican VP spot indeed.
This is the other ingredient in the kitchen sink and pots and spoons and you know what being thrown out there.
but when the husband got those same votes…he was great.
Monica Lewinsky will soon join this after they run out of things to throw at that young man.
AMERICA IS A LAND OF OPPORTUNITY only for her views.
Watch for Gareldine Farrero to point those fingers at them.
Posted by: nwadikeh | March 13, 2008, 5:36 pm 5:36 pm
Why cannot Obama win?
If it is “experience” then, Clinton cannot win either, given the gap between her and McCain in experience.
So, what is the logic?
We are left with unsavoury choices–there are more women who will vote for her, while the population of African Americans are too few in number to vote for him (there is a million in prison too with lost civic rights!).
Ultimately, it is the race vs. gender card that is being used. Ferraro used the same logic to attack Jackson, and this surely is no coincidence.
What sickens me is that the Democratic Party is doing it to one of its own. It has taught me a lesson that a South African friend taugh me: never trust the liberal, s/he is behind you with the knife, while the conservative is at least in front of you, and you know what s/he is going to do.
Posted by: Political Observer | March 13, 2008, 5:38 pm 5:38 pm
To stress holbein’s point, just look at these numbers:
Superdelegates February 10th: Clinton 224 Obama 127
Superdelegates March 12th: Clinton 237 Obama 207
They tell a LOT, if they don’t tell it ALL.
Posted by: Mat Math | March 13, 2008, 5:41 pm 5:41 pm
Wait until America hears what the “spiritual mentor” of Senator Obama has been preaching……….very scary stuff!!
Posted by: cb | March 13, 2008, 5:44 pm 5:44 pm
As soon as Hillary can finally win a state again, it is THE CRUCIAL STATE.
Hahaha.
How dumb does this campaign think Americans are? They are insulting the millions of voters in this country.
Penn, your candidate is toast. Over and out.
Posted by: Gretchen | March 13, 2008, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm
I’m an Obama supporter. However, for the republicans to pick John McCain to lead them to victory shows you just how smart they are. Polls are starting to show McCain topping both democratic candidates in battleground states. People aren’t going to vote for Clinton because of her past and people aren’t going to vote for Obama because he’s black. Regardless of who wins the democratic nomination, I’m starting to resign myself to another 4 years Republican rule.
Posted by: Shawn | March 13, 2008, 5:46 pm 5:46 pm
Here’s a passage from the story in the Chicago Tribune about Obama.
Obama knows his way around a ballot Some say his ability to play political hardball goes back to his first campaign
By David Jackson and Ray Long | Tribune staff reporters
April 3, 2007
A close examination of Obama’s first campaign clouds the image he has cultivated throughout his political career: The man now running for president on a message of giving a voice to the voiceless first entered public office not by leveling the playing field, but by clearing it.
“Why say you’re for a new tomorrow, then do old-style Chicago politics to remove legitimate candidates?” Askia said. “He talks about honor and democracy, but what honor is there in getting rid of every other candidate so you can run scot-free? Why not let the people decide?”
In a recent interview, Obama granted that “there’s a legitimate argument to be made that you shouldn’t create barriers to people getting on the ballot.”
But the unsparing legal tactics were justified, he said, by obvious flaws in his opponents’ signature sheets. “To my mind, we were just abiding by the rules that had been set up,” Obama recalled. (Whatever it takes, right Obama? No wonder you and your supporters say it so much. Too much protest is always suspicious…..)
Posted by: Oketola | March 13, 2008, 5:47 pm 5:47 pm
For Hillary Clinton and Mark Penn: I’ve got news for you, so Mark Penn says that Obama can’t win a general election– well that sounds like something I’ve been saying about Hillary Clinton for the start of the campaign. I am a mid 60′s professional woman still in the workplace and if Clinton is the Democratic nominee, McCain will run over her in a general election. You see the Republications and hoping and hoping that Hillary is the nominee and they will crucify her — based on lots of things, as well as her tenure as First Lady. Obama can beat McCain for sure in a general election — does this country want another 4 years or more of a Bushie? That is what we will get if Hillary is the democratic nominee. I hear many people I know saying the same thing — so Hillary “face the fact that if you are the nominee, McCain will be president”! That is a fact and I hope you realize this very soon. America is fed up with the same old political machines taking over the White House and we want a “major change”!
Thanks.
Posted by: JB | March 13, 2008, 5:47 pm 5:47 pm
After Clinton wins PA, and FL & MI votes are included…and they WILL be…Obama is finished.
Posted by: Voter | March 13, 2008, 5:47 pm 5:47 pm
People need to calm down and rationally study the strength and the weakness among all candidates: Obama, Hillary, & McCain…
1. Obama vs McCain: hope/change vs experiences; Black vs White..
2. Hillary vs McCain: different experiences vs different experiences; Woman vs Men..
Who you believe and who you trust…
Posted by: Truth | March 13, 2008, 5:47 pm 5:47 pm
How does the fact that Hillary has won traditionally democratic states equate to Obama losing a general election? So because she wins in PA that means that Obama would lose it? Obama probably would have won Texas had it not been for Limbaugh republicans sabotaging the election. Hillary’s staff and the people that buy this bs are simply irrational. I’m still waiting to see exactly what Hillary’s “experience” entails given the fact that she has hijacked her husband’s as her own and has less legislative experience than Obama. At 3 am I would rather have someone answering the phone that has a consistent collective coolness about them than a new personality on a daily basis.
And the gop chewing up Obama and spitting him out? Give me a break. The guy’s already essentially been called a terrorist and he’s winning the primary against a far more formidable candidate than John McCain. That’s got to account for something in the post-911 era.
Posted by: Jman | March 13, 2008, 5:48 pm 5:48 pm
This has reached the point of being absolutely ridiculous on the part of Senator Clinton’s campaign.
I’d love to laugh, but I am sorely disappointed in the stupid stuff from Wolfson and the rest of the Clinton campaign.
I went into this willing to vote for either Edwards, Obama, or Clinton and would have been happy with any of the three. Obama is now the only choice for me and I will not vote for Clinton should she manage to somehow prevail; I will simply choose the higher road and will be absent from the polls for the first time since I was eligible to vote in 1983.
As a professional woman, I am sadly disappointed to see that, in order to show strength, this woman feels it necessary to allow her campaign to “sink” to all new lows.
A sad, sad day in the U.S.A. when this crap just will not stop. Simply unbelievable. At least Keith Olbermann had the sense to stand up and say STOP!! I see they haven’t listened.
Posted by: Dani | March 13, 2008, 5:50 pm 5:50 pm
HILLARY CLINTON is spot on. I’m more convinced that a combined ticket of CLINTON/OBAMA is required, but I’d really like to see Obama show a more realistic understanding of our future. His weaknesses are so great it would imperil our nation to put this novice in charge. It reminds me of the young guy that the company let run the project because he knew how to say project, he knew how to cut corners, and it cost $20K for the company to clean up his mess. What price a nation?
Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | March 13, 2008, 5:51 pm 5:51 pm
I just wanted to back up JB’s remarks about the Republicans wanting Hillary to win with a link to a Republican talk show host’s published intent to sabotage the Democratic Party by registering Democrat to vote for Hillary:
Posted by: Someone | March 13, 2008, 5:54 pm 5:54 pm
Why didn’t we just save all of this time and expense then and just have Pennsylvania determine the nominee in the first place? This is just more political nonsense. Every poll shows that Obama outperforms Hillary in a national election scenario.
Posted by: Jeff | March 13, 2008, 5:57 pm 5:57 pm
Why is it I always hear the Clinton campaign saying, “If you can’t win the primary in the big states you can’t win them in the general election.” That is the most ridiculous idea I’ve ever heard. Example: California is usually a Democrat stronghold but Hillary won in California…..Does that mean that Obama would lose to McCain in CA???? It has no relevance at all. The general election is a different beast from the primaries. Stop believing what Hillary’s people tell you. Besides, we are less than 8 months from the election and in the midst of a recession, at war in the Middle East, and have an incompetant Republican President who doesn’t know the price consumers pay for anything…..I am reliving 1992 all over again. And the Republican candidate is not an incumbant. Whoever the Democrats nominate will win the general election.
And it should be Obama.
Posted by: dman | March 13, 2008, 5:59 pm 5:59 pm
To be fair, Obama is having trouble holding on to the caucus delegates he has in further stages. The problem with caucuses everyone is ignoring is all these delegates are still up for grabs as they go through a four stage process up untiol the summer.
If Clinton takes more delegates than him this Sunday, people may want to seriously consider that question, as Obama’s whole campaign was based on winning red states.
Posted by: s.b. | March 13, 2008, 6:00 pm 6:00 pm
I guess you don’t have to win states like Mississippi, Vermont, Maryland, Illinois, Georgia, Alabama, Wisconsin, DC, Virginia, Louisiana, Utah, Missouri, Connecticut, Delaway, South Carolina, Hawaii, Washington, Nebraska, Minnesota, Alaska, Idaho, North Dakota, Colorado, Iowa, Kansas and Maine to win the General Election.
Obama ’08
Posted by: Blake | March 13, 2008, 6:00 pm 6:00 pm
To be fair, Obama is having trouble holding on to the caucus delegates he has in further stages. The problem with caucuses everyone is ignoring is all these delegates are still up for grabs as they go through a four stage process up until the summer.
If Clinton takes more delegates than him this Sunday, people may want to seriously consider that question, as Obama’s whole campaign was based on winning red states.
Posted by: s.b. | March 13, 2008, 6:00 pm 6:00 pm
Yeah? Not anymore Jeff…
Posted by: Oketola | March 13, 2008, 6:01 pm 6:01 pm
I guess you don’t have to win states like Mississippi, Vermont, Maryland, Illinois, Georgia, Alabama, Wisconsin, DC, Virginia, Louisiana, Utah, Missouri, Connecticut, Delaware, South Carolina, Hawaii, Washington, Nebraska, Minnesota, Alaska, Idaho, North Dakota, Colorado, Iowa, Kansas and Maine to win the General Election. Enough said.
Obama ’08
Posted by: Blake | March 13, 2008, 6:02 pm 6:02 pm
Today in the Wall Street Journal:
“(A recent poll in Pennsylvania showed) 48% opted for McCain versus 42% for Clinton. A match-up between McCain and Obama was closer, with McCain receiving 47% and Obama at 44%.”
You would think a “senior advisor” would have read this before making these RIDICULOUS comments. Mark Penn just gave another reason why Obama is more electable – as if all the other polls weren’t enough. With leadership like this, no wonder Clinton’s campaign fell apart.
Posted by: Steve | March 13, 2008, 6:03 pm 6:03 pm
Barack is fully qualified to be our President. He is a natural leader. Hillary, again, is old school politics…
Reagan/Bush, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton… what is wrong with this picture.
Germany and Europe, among all U.S. allies respect and favor Barack. What more do you want in order to build wounded relationships with U.S. allies.
Remember Gennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, Monica Lewinsky, Whitewater, and many other Clinton scandals?
Let’s move in a better direction. Barack Obama has more intelligence, leadership, and heart. I want to believe in the U.S. government and I believe we owe it to ourselves and our allies to prove we are real democracy.
Posted by: Gary | March 13, 2008, 6:04 pm 6:04 pm
There are a lot reasons why mccain and hillary can’t win the general election, why obama shoudn’t have his reason.
Posted by: Maz Hess | March 13, 2008, 6:04 pm 6:04 pm
Philadelphia Mayor Michael Nutter, a Clinton supporter, on Mark Penn’s statement:
“If someone on my staff wrote that I’d fire them.”
As reported on msnbc’s FIRSTREAD.
Posted by: Gretchen | March 13, 2008, 6:05 pm 6:05 pm
Obama Say’s He’s Not Negative. Is He Divisive, Underhanded, Manipulative, Opportunistic, Impatient, Arrogant, or Diplomatic?
Who is Obama and why is he the frontrunner?
Obama has less experience than any presidential candidate in recent history – That is why the issue of race is a legitimate question? Can Democrats win a General election, based on Obama’s performance so far, is “political correctness” tying the hands of the press, tying the hands of his opponents, and making the USA political process into an unfair match against Obama, who is using this situation to advance his positions in an unfair and unprecedented way, to win an unfair advantage in his run for the Presidency of the USA.
Some Obama backers cry “racism.” We find the accusation to be unsubstantiated.
If he fails, Obama says race will not be the reason
Obama has less experience than any presidential candidate in recent history. Yet, he has won so many caucuses and Southern States? Can’t we try and understand why? Is that politically incorrect?
Posted by: Sam | March 13, 2008, 6:06 pm 6:06 pm
Barack is fully qualified to be our President. He is a natural leader. Hillary, again, is old school politics…
Reagan/Bush, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton… what is wrong with this picture.
Germany and Europe, among all U.S. allies respect and favor Barack. What more do you want in order to build wounded relationships with U.S. allies.
Remember Gennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, Monica Lewinsky, Whitewater, and many other Clinton scandals?
Let’s move in a better direction. Barack Obama has more intelligence, leadership, and heart. I want to believe in the U.S. government and I believe we owe it to ourselves and our allies to prove we are real democracy.
Posted by: Gary | March 13, 2008, 6:06 pm 6:06 pm
Mark Penn is a liar. Obama can win. This is part of the kitchen-sink stratigy.
Posted by: Courtney | March 13, 2008, 6:14 pm 6:14 pm
Yet another example of the Clinton campaigns committment to geting McCain elected. Penn is a disgrace.
Posted by: Shawn | March 13, 2008, 6:15 pm 6:15 pm
2009, your exactly right too. Please tell me what makes you think that Obama can’t win those states? I’m sick and tired of Democrats being so scared of Republicans. That’s why we lose, because we vote out of fear.
Posted by: Blake | March 13, 2008, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm
I’m going to go ahead and rephrase Penn’s statement:
“I think if you can’t win Pennsylvania, New York, New Jersey, Texas, Ohio, California, Massachusetts, New Hampshire…. it raises serious questions about whether he can win a general election.”
I have been saying this for months.
Posted by: brooke | March 13, 2008, 6:19 pm 6:19 pm
It amazes me that people like Gary above still defend their unconscious racism and bias. Geraldine Ferraro’s comments were pathetic and reflect a regressive mindset. The Civil War mentality is apparently still unfortunately alive in the less evolved areas of the country. The facts are that Barack is ahead in the delegate count and it is nearly impossible for Hillary to catch up.The facts are that Barack Obama has the full support of people of all races, creeds, and persuasions. Furthermore, he embodies hope, courage, and change…Universal values that transcend the merely tribal egoistic mindset that has been dominant in this country. This is why we love him and why Barack will be our next president.
Posted by: Robert | March 13, 2008, 6:19 pm 6:19 pm
So here’s the media swallowing the spin by the Clinton machine without checking the facts. This would be the same media that tagged along with George Bush in 2002 without checking the facts and look where we are now in IRAQ and Afghanistan! And they want to call themselves reporters, anchors and commentators! What a joke!
Posted by: Agnostic Democrat | March 13, 2008, 6:22 pm 6:22 pm
thanks to all the above..from zero probability to stronger possibility ..republicans will win again..
Posted by: Raji Rab | March 13, 2008, 6:23 pm 6:23 pm
Penn is from the “if I say it, it must be true’ school of Politics. Bush is from that school too.
Posted by: thebob.bob | March 13, 2008, 6:24 pm 6:24 pm
Mark Penn is a liar. Obama can win. This is part of the kitchen-sink stratigy.
Posted by: Courtney | March 13, 2008, 6:25 pm 6:25 pm
Linda–
Your hate-mongering choice of a candidate really packs the house herself…she had about 300 people show up to her engagement in Washington State. Meanwhile, I was one of the 30,000 or so in the crowd who saw Obama speak at Key Arena (which filled to capacity within anbout 30 minutes of the doors opening).
But what does popularity matter in a general election battle ground state? According to Clinton, everything. And of course, Obama STOMPED Clinton here…and in Iowa…and the list goes on and on. Clinton’s entire electibility argument is just the latest exercise in false logic utilized in her campaign of contradictions.
Posted by: nic | March 13, 2008, 6:27 pm 6:27 pm
Quiz: How many states has Clinton won a 60% majority of the vote? 1, Arkansas
Obama has won 16. Logic tells me she is going to have a harder time winning states he won than he will have winning states she won.
Posted by: Blake | March 13, 2008, 6:30 pm 6:30 pm
Hillary will lose in a General Election because she insists on doing the same old thing and expecting different results running the failed “15 state strategy”
Smart Democrats in 2008 are figuring out with Senator Obama campaign’s “50 State Strategy” is the strategy which will win against Senator John Mc Cain in NOV .
Under this model you could take away Fl, PA, and OH from Senator Obama’s category and he still beats Senator Clinton with “all 50 States” in play
So tell me how you “have” to take PA to win ?
Bob
TN
Posted by: Robert | March 13, 2008, 6:32 pm 6:32 pm
Michelle FL
That list you just threw up there for Obama is nothing to the unanswered questions and lawsuits and fines that are attached to your candidate… so if you want to go to an ethics conversation bring it on.
You’ll notice that even her campaign has backed off those issues of ethics…because when they threw out Rezko they knew they had to run back inside before the LISTS start coming.
I am sure they are coming… but why does America want to go down this dark path again with all the scandals… and even the new ones ugh.
That is a playing field Clinton loses HUGE.
One more time LISTS, long LISTS of scandals many of which ended up in law suits, fines, the death of witnesses, unreleased Tax returns, investigations…and criminal charges…and please don’t say just Bill.
Don’t go there with ethics… I personally, really don’t want it to go there.
Posted by: dl | March 13, 2008, 6:37 pm 6:37 pm
How come there are only big states in this country,guess our little ones don’t count anymore last I knew we were all one nation>>>>>>
Posted by: h | March 13, 2008, 6:37 pm 6:37 pm
…and Blake… you are exactly right…MARGINS, MARGINS, MARGINS
It is all about margins, not who won a state by 3 %.
…unfortunately because of all the negative attacks we are losing some of those challenge states we would have been able to pick up against the Republicans (states where the numbers for Dems in the primaries were 2 to 1 or greater…McCains numbers were low, repubs won them in 2000 and 2004 by less than 10% and declined significantly from the first to the last and the margin for a dem candidate was greater than 20 % in the primary…all of those besides Arkansas are Barack’s worth about 60-80 delegates and would have expanded our base strength in the congress)
But Let’s keep up this battle for the good of the Party.
Posted by: dl | March 13, 2008, 6:43 pm 6:43 pm
Hey V Racer
I bet McCain would be really proud of your posting.
: )
Posted by: dl | March 13, 2008, 6:48 pm 6:48 pm
Mona, No, I don’t expect Clinton to say “he can win the general election.” But I also didn’t expect her to endorse a Republican for the Presidency of the United States.
Clinton:
“… I think it’s imperative that each of us be able to demonstrate we can cross the commander-in-chief threshold,” the New York senator told reporters…
“I believe that I’ve done that. Certainly, Sen. McCain has done that and you’ll have to ask Sen. Obama with respect to his candidacy,” she said.
Calling McCain, the presumptive GOP nominee a good friend and a “distinguished man with a great history of service to our country,” Clinton said, “Both of us will be on that stage having crossed that threshold. That is a critical criterion for the next Democratic nominee to deal with.”….. She and McCain “bring a lifetime of experience to the campaign, Clinton said, while “Sen. Obama will bring a speech he gave in 2002”. Chicago Tribune 3/6/08
It is virtually without precedent and it is appalling. The Clintons will do anything to win – including destroy the Democratic party.
Posted by: Mara | March 13, 2008, 6:54 pm 6:54 pm
Regardless of the situation, Obama is able to keep a cool head and obviously think and respond clearly. He doesn’t cry or scream at reporters like Clinton and McCain. He’s the one I want answering that emergency call, not one’s who think they have all of the answers. A solid decision making style is more important than all of the experience in the world.
Posted by: Javalation | March 13, 2008, 7:02 pm 7:02 pm
The entire premise of the Clinton camp argument is an assertion about the relationship between winning a state’s primary and winning the general election. Where’s the evidence? What we get is anecdotal information about the relationship between winning a state in the general and winning the general, i.e., you need to win Ohio to win the general. No evidence has been put forward about the relationship between winning the primary and winning the state in the general and the general itself.
Posted by: jackstpaul | March 13, 2008, 7:14 pm 7:14 pm
I just want to thank the media for giving someone like Sen. McCain a better chance of winning the White House. Everyone knows we need a Democrat to clean up after Bush, but instead of discussing issues that affect the ordinary American, all we talk about is religion, race, gender and call people names. The media has messed up our party and no one can see what’s happening until McCain wins in November. I’m in tears because we’ve suffered enough. Let’s nominate a Democrat and fix our country, please.
Posted by: Chan | March 13, 2008, 7:28 pm 7:28 pm
Now we know the “Fairy Tale” Bill Clinton was talking about. It’s Hillary winning the Presidency.
Posted by: Mike M. | March 13, 2008, 7:34 pm 7:34 pm
Oh, so I guess now the argument is well we’ve attacked him so much that he can’t win a general election but ‘you know’ we’re happy to fill in for him..
NUTZO Craziness….
Senator Obama is a brillian man and IF WE ARE LUCKY he WILL become the leader of our country and I am willing to take action to help make that possible.
OBAMA/EDWARDS ’08
Posted by: lb | March 13, 2008, 7:37 pm 7:37 pm
To LB: These are a list of some of the generals and officers who have already endorsed Clinton. So what ever you heard might be a what we call null and void;
Officers Endorsing Hillary Clinton for President and Commander-in-Chief
General Wesley Clark
General John M. Shalikashvili
General Johnnie E. Wilson
Admiral William Owens
Lt. Gen. Joe Ballard
Lt. Gen. Robert Gard
Lt. Gen. Claudia J. Kennedy
Lt. Gen. Donald L. Kerrick
Lt. Gen. Frederick E. Vollrath
Vice Admiral Joseph A. Sestak
Major General Roger R. Blunt
Major General George A. Buskirk, Jr.
Major General Edward L. Correa, Jr.
Major General Paul D. Eaton
Major General Paul D. Monroe, Jr.
Major General Antonio M. Taguba
Rear Admiral Connie Mariano
Rear Admiral Alan M. Steinman
Rear Admiral David Stone
Brigadier General Michael Dunn
Brigadier General Belisario Flores
Brigadier General Evelyn “Pat” Foote
Brigadier General Keith H. Kerr
Brigadier General Virgil A. Richard
Brigadier General Preston Taylor
Brigadier General John M. Watkins, Jr.
Brigadier General Jack Yeager
They are among the nearly 30 general and flag officers who have endorsed Hillary Clinton to be the Nation’s next President. Senator Clinton has received five endorsements in recent days, including those of
General Henry Hugh Shelton, the former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral William Owens, the former vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs, and Army Major General Antonio M. Taguba. Overall she has the endorsement of two former chairmen of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, five admirals and generals at the four-star rank. They are in addition to over 2,000 veterans and military retirees who are members of Senator Clinton’s national and state veterans’ steering committees.
Posted by: Mitch | March 13, 2008, 7:45 pm 7:45 pm
The spin, the whole spin, and nothing but the spin.
Posted by: DoTheMath | March 13, 2008, 7:48 pm 7:48 pm
win PA AFTER you and other Clinton surrogates get done tearing him down……
Don’t be so sure. Obama is playing to win in PA. It should be a good contest and they say the balance is in the burbs.
Hillary Inc. is saying that PA is a must win to make up for her recent loses in Texas, Wyoming and Mississippi.
Posted by: frederick kardatzke | March 13, 2008, 7:51 pm 7:51 pm
No matter how smart and charismatic BHO is, if I can’t trust him, I won’t vote for him. He has shown no good judgment for me to risk my family’s future to him. I used to think that he ran too soon, but lately I think that he will never qualify from a trust standpoint. His campaign used to claim that the more people knew about him, the more they liked him, but I think we’ve past that point, and now the more people know about him, the more they distrust him.
Posted by: esvida | March 13, 2008, 7:51 pm 7:51 pm
As black activists and militants start coming out of the closet to “support” Obama, it becomes increasingly possible that he isn’t electable. Some of those people would do well to read Martin Luther King’s words regarding the “downward spiral” of hatred.
Posted by: Rhys | March 13, 2008, 8:01 pm 8:01 pm
this is helpful…Once again I am glad this election is about the Democratic Party and not Hillary.
Posted by: dl | March 13, 2008, 8:01 pm 8:01 pm
esvida…not sure what you’re talking about. Obama is the one who is transparent and will admit his mistakes. He says he’s not perfect but he will always be straight with the American people. What has he done to make you not trust him?
Posted by: Mike M. | March 13, 2008, 8:03 pm 8:03 pm
The portrayal by the Clinton campaign is accurate.
Even with the obvious bias and prejudice evident in the caucus system, Obama cannot produce enough electoral votes to take the White House in November.
Democrats only hope is that the superdelegates will opt for an experienced and electorally superior candidate instead of an unprecedented and historic presentation of a interloping and inexperienced schemer.
Without a common sense choice by superdelegates, McCain wins.
Posted by: Change | March 13, 2008, 8:05 pm 8:05 pm
I am the reason Hillary can’t win the General election.
I have voted Democrat every time since my first vote for Kennedy… not out of any Party loyalty, but because I have honestly felt they have had the best platforms and candidates.
That said I, and many more like me, will not vote for Hillary. Some will sit it out and others will vote for McCaine who, until going over to the Dark Side for the last 8 years, showed some honesty and integrity.
I assume a candidate will hanle the Presidency the same way they have handled their campaign. She has lied, distorted and spread mis-information in her “”kitchen sink”" attacks on Obama. I have had enough of Presidents who will do and say anything, regardless of who it damages, to achieve their personal objectives. Eight years of that with the Bush-Cheney-Rove administration was enough from that playbook. I see no reason that Hillary will clean up her act if elected. The country deserves better than that… at this point in time, it needs better than that.
Posted by: Michael Wortman | March 13, 2008, 8:07 pm 8:07 pm
I really, really don’t get this meme.
What does winning against another Democrat in a primary have to do with the general against a Republican? In the general, the Democrats will probably vote for him anyways.
If anything, it’s the other way around: Obama is winning in states where a Democrat wouldn’t, which implies that he’d get more support from Republicans and Independents than she would, which gives him a better chance in the general.
More desperate flailing, I think.
Posted by: Scott | March 13, 2008, 8:07 pm 8:07 pm
Esvida…”You can’t trust him.”
but you can trust Sen Clinton? I’m sorry why can you trust her and not him…Something that is a real thing that she did?
I think you need to ask yourself, seriously, I’m not being a jerk but when I hear a statement like that I have to ask… …Is it that you trust her or are you basing your impression of her as President on the trust that Bill Clinton gave you.
I don’t need an answer that is question everyone has to answer but she hasn’t done anything for you to trust her rather than Obama with the duties of a President.
I really think this protectionism of the Clinton’s is a hangover from our feelings from the past 8 years…and they have become the bar.
Posted by: dl | March 13, 2008, 8:08 pm 8:08 pm
My issue with “Trust” and politicians is perfectly contrary to so many who post about Obama’s “trust” factor. I remember eight years ago when President W. platformed on, “do you trust me?” and the country yelled enthusiastically, “Yes!” Trust is such a funny thing in politics… I base my decision on two things: judgment and integrity, of which Hillary has absolutely none, and McCain lost as soon as he realized his bid for president was going to take being a different McCain than the one I respected before. Flip flop…again, a bludgeon used not that long ago, now conveniently forgotten. I believe that speeches do make a difference, as MLK shows pretty poignantly, words can change history. I’m tired of the “politicking” that runs D.C. They’re so accustomed to painting pictures instead of looking at pictures. More than anything I want change, not more lies, high-brow arrogance, and baby kissing. Obama is not the sort who seems to work alone (evidenced in the work that Hillary is so fervently dismissing as illusory) and by surrounding himself by hard working American minds (of which Clinton could be one, if American prosperity were really her goal), he will hardly be ineffectual as commander in chief. Let me say it again…I’ve had enough of the “politics”. They’re like vitamin supplements – only as necessary as we make them. The rest is simply truth, judgment, hard work, and integrity.
Posted by: JR | March 13, 2008, 8:11 pm 8:11 pm
And yet every poll for months now says that Obama has a better chance beating McCain than Hillary…interesting…
Posted by: mark | March 13, 2008, 8:14 pm 8:14 pm
and Scott it doesn’t translate unless she wins by a large margin.
The only way primary victories matter is about margins…margins margins margins.
How many times can I say it to those people who keep referring to candidates delivering states from a 1-5% win…
Primary wins only have significance if they are a large margin. and there is no magic number as to how large necessarily but again if you look at the numbers…Obama has many more states that if we don’t destroy ourselves we could win and expand in Novemebr because of all the other numbers in play…
…but this is about Hillary becoming President (because she is part of our Presidential couple) This isn’t not riding into the general with the strongest momentum and candidate…and a candidate that most people could’ve been proud of before the fight to the death.
Celebrity death match …the Presidential primary version.
Posted by: dl | March 13, 2008, 8:27 pm 8:27 pm
The Hillary camp is in no position to criticize Mr. Obama: as not even the Dem nomination they can win whats more the general election.
Hillary will be remembered as an “also ran” candidate.
Posted by: Desdemondo | March 13, 2008, 8:31 pm 8:31 pm
Does it really matter what Mark Penn or Hillary Clinton think or say?
They have shown themselves to be incompetetent.
They thought they had the nomination in the bag from the beginning.
Now, even though they have lost, they go on pretending…
So desperate and pathetic.
A woman scorned…
If she can’t win, she’d rather see McCain win the presidency.
That’s their goal… and the goal of the people with the special interests etc.
Posted by: Klark | March 13, 2008, 8:37 pm 8:37 pm
Mitch, let us remember that it is the military might which has brought the US in this position where it is. The French Minister of Foreign Affairs Bernard Kouchner has said all about the US stand in the world. The “magic is gone” and it will be difficult for the US to recover from 8 years of Bush-Cheney militarism in the world. If US would like to continue that militarist adventures in the world then vote for the ticket McCain/Hilary
Posted by: BKMC | March 13, 2008, 8:42 pm 8:42 pm
It’s everything. BHO’s pastor, his wife and HC’s husband. My experience in the 90s. My broken heart when Al Gore lost. How this election is shaping up. I don’t have a formula to plug in values to come out with a trust score. It’s visceral. All in all I distrust him more today than yesterday and yesterday was more than a week ago.
Posted by: esvida | March 13, 2008, 8:49 pm 8:49 pm
HILLARY CLINTON is a tough campaigner and needs to bring these types of discussions out for consideration and processing by our national electorate. For those that cry foul at even introducing such a discussion I remind you of the ways of the Stazi in pre-Berlin wall times. This is a great discussion to have. I concur, Mr. Obama is not ready for prime-time. Here’s what I’d like to see — a CLINTON/OBAMA ticket for the first four years, an OBAMA/CLINTON ticket for the second four years, and they compete head on again for the third term based on results. What do you think?
Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | March 13, 2008, 8:50 pm 8:50 pm
If you Obama folks think that solid RED states that have voted the last 3 or 4 or more elections republican are going to suddenly change and go for Obama, y0ou are out of your minds.
Posted by: JR | March 13, 2008, 8:54 pm 8:54 pm
Jay
I’ll just answer two of the questions…
“Why should she? (pack it in)”
Because with her chances to beat Sen. Obama (who is a GREAT candidate whether you think Sen. Clinton is better or not)…at this stage of the game (at the Ohio stage of the game for goodness sake) for her to win she knows how she has to play it and what it will do to ANYONE’s chances of winning… look at what it has done to the poll numbers already…
…but she is willing to take that chance because she in her mind brings more …that much more to the Presidency that it is worth this.
…and as far as Sen. Obama going up against Sen. McCain. I only have worries if this gets dragged on and and they have video of Sen. Clinton saying over and over that McCain has passed the threshold and Barack has not…and Mark Penn saying that Sen. obama can’t win the election.
and more of each side of this argument gets more embedded and more angry when their candidate loses… and they have so much more negative crap coming out of the campaigns.
Posted by: dl | March 13, 2008, 9:05 pm 9:05 pm
dl:
Margins don’t matter either.
Look at it this way: say in a state, 40% are Repo, 40% are Demo, and 20* are Ind. In the Primary, Clinton wins 60% of the Dem vote, Obama wins 40%, but also wins the Ind vote.
Clinton wins the primary in that state.
Now let’s look at the general, with Obama as the nominee: he wins 100% of the Dem and 60% of the Ind vote, McCain wins 100% Repo and 40% Ind.
Obama wins the general in that state.
With Clinton as the nominee: 100% Dem, 20% Ind, so McCain wins the state.
Obviously these are all made-up numbers, but my point is that how a Dem vs. a Dem primary battle goes tells us absolutely NOTHING about how the general will go, because in the primary it’s mostly Dem voters. She may win amongst the Dems in the primary, but most of the Dems that voted for her in the primary would vote for Obama in the general.
Posted by: Scott | March 13, 2008, 9:18 pm 9:18 pm
JR
That shows how much you understand the numbers… there are a number or red states who have been slowly changing in demographic and political stance that have been trending toward the blue column anyway…like Colorado, or North Carolina, Georgia, Missouri (albeit this is a state without a large margin)…
These states
and many more that were only like 5-7 percent in many cases on the Repub side in 2004 and had dropped somehwere between 8 and 10 percent from 2000 to 2004. With the movement of Republican to Democrats that they have been following this year, especially combined with large margins on the part of Barack over Hillary in many cases, Dems over Repubs in the primaries (in 2 to 1 in numbers) … and Mccains small percentages of the repub vote …
Yes there is a good chance…we could change a number of states…
Baracks numbers in some of those states were larger than the entire republican turn out in some cases he had like 3 to 1 numbers than McCain. Hillary doesn’t have that….oh besides Arkansas.
Posted by: dl | March 13, 2008, 9:21 pm 9:21 pm
and scott…the margins can matter when you are trying to win a state or a state looks to be close and the candidates popularity comes in to question…
How many will turn out…
in somecases in the primary alone states saw numbers where a candidate on one side is showing support 2 and 3 times as the candidate on the other side.
Who do you want going in to battle for the popular vote…
JR
That shows how much you understand the numbers… there are a number or red states who have been slowly changing in demographic and political stance that have been trending toward the blue column anyway…like Colorado, or North Carolina, Georgia, Missouri (albeit this is a state without a large margin)…
These states
and many more that were only like 5-7 percent in many cases on the Repub side in 2004 and had dropped somehwere between 8 and 10 percent from 2000 to 2004. With the movement of Republican to Democrats that they have been following this year, especially combined with large margins on the part of Barack over Hillary in many cases, Dems over Repubs in the primaries (in 2 to 1 in numbers) … and Mccains small percentages of the repub vote …
Yes there is a good chance…we could change a number of states…
Baracks numbers in some of those states were larger than the entire republican turn out in some cases he had like 3 to 1 numbers than McCain. Hillary doesn’t have that….oh besides Arkansas.
Posted by: dl | March 13, 2008, 9:26 pm 9:26 pm
Exit polls showed that Barack Obama candidacy is not embraced by Hispanics, (NOT getting 35% of their votes) in states like TX, NY, NM, AR, FL, NJ and CA with 177 ELECTORAL VOTES in a general Election.
Exit polls also showed that Barack Obama candidacy is not embraced by white Voters, (not getting 35% of their votes) in states such as AR, OK, TN, LA, AL, MS, GA, and SC with 68 ELECTORAL VOTES in a general election.
OHIO and PA with 41 ELECTORAL VOTES.
270 ELECTORAL VOTES are needed to win the US Presidency.
Posted by: Angel | March 13, 2008, 9:41 pm 9:41 pm
Several have mentioned the trust issue here…I can’t trust a candidate who, for 20 years, has attended a church whose pastor inflames his own congregation with such hatred (as I heard on the video on ABC news today.) I can’t believe the majority of people in this country would even consider trusting someone who hasn’t distanced himself from this kind of rhetoric; if not for his own personal integrity or even his political future, then for his children’s sake!
Posted by: DWC | March 13, 2008, 9:42 pm 9:42 pm
Obama is no longer electable. He has stayed mum about the nasty, racist things his pastor of 20 years has said. I doubt even Clinton wants him as VP anymore. I sure wouldn’t. The things Ferraro said are mild in comparison. Obama should have said something today, instead he went to the Senate to vote “no” on his own legislation.
Posted by: Belle | March 13, 2008, 10:02 pm 10:02 pm
how can hillary and her campaign speak for every dem voter in the dem states she won in the primary, that these voters won’t support obama in the fall ? this just shows how conceited she really is. all the dems in these states she claims will vote rebuplican or some other way because she is not the nominee. well not for all the experience in the world or to see a woman as president or color of ones skin, does this country deserve another Bush in the white house.
Posted by: merle7 | March 13, 2008, 10:07 pm 10:07 pm
Hilary Clinton and her husband’s HIGH NEGATIVE makes her a shoe-in for the Presidency. lol
What is going on here is the so-called super delegates sit on their worthless hiney and watch the Clintons use their racist scorched earth destructiveness to enable McBush III.
It is the same kind of Clinton self-centeredness the Clintons used to Monica Lewinskied the Democratic Party in 2000, denied Al Gore, and enabled Bush I
Posted by: New Yorker | March 13, 2008, 10:13 pm 10:13 pm
If he cannot win, she cannot win. More people hate and I mean detest the Clinton’s, both of them, than him.
What, does she think people will just fall in love with her? Does she think people will just suck it up and vote for her? Seriously people hate the Clinton’s. Not just Repubs or Indep. I talking about Dems. She is getting a TON of SYMPATHY now, but you wait, it won’t last…
Do her supporters not understand, his supporters feel the same way about her as you all do about him.
McCain 08!
Posted by: HH | March 13, 2008, 10:16 pm 10:16 pm
You know what Mitch they are doing this for Billy Boy and you know this as will as I do she knows jack —- about the way a war is run—– except to vote to go to war
Posted by: h | March 13, 2008, 10:20 pm 10:20 pm
I don’t think Hillary is running so people “like” her. She is running to do a job.
Posted by: belle | March 13, 2008, 10:21 pm 10:21 pm
I’m with you Wilhem. How can Obama claim to be a Christian with this kinda preacher & guidance? That is not the word of God spewing out of the mouth of his preacher. God does not put up with this type of propaganda in his house (if it’s truly a house of God & not a cult). I’m leaning towards a cult especially after reading up on his church. I would never subject my children to this type of hatred. Talking about being racist- this is like a school teaching racism on Sunday morning.
Posted by: Alice | March 13, 2008, 10:37 pm 10:37 pm
Jay,
Dont yu feel silly now ?
“Obama canceled his campaign stop this morning at a PA college claiming he had to be in Washington. Maybe the audience was so small”-jay
Looks like Obama McCain and Clinton all had to be in washington !
You look very very silly!
Posted by: shane | March 13, 2008, 10:55 pm 10:55 pm
The dilemma the Clinton camp has, is that is has to DESTROY Obama. But if they go too far, they get screwed too.
Here is the way one Insider has called it:
“If the Clinton people knee-cap Obama, it would be like killing Santa Claus Xmas morning in front of the children. The children won’t forget or forgive.”
So all the ‘children’ i.e., the young voters, independents and disillusioned Republicans will have a grudge to hold HARD against HRC.
But this OK too with team Hillary. Because they can still challenge McCain in 2012.
Posted by: The Commander Guy | March 13, 2008, 10:58 pm 10:58 pm
Komrade Darrell says
“A House Divided Against Itself shall Not Stand,”
Buddy. Hillary feels she is ENTITLED to sole possession of the house.
She gonna burn it down before she lets Obama in.
Posted by: The Commander Guy | March 13, 2008, 11:11 pm 11:11 pm
This is the reality that the America must face this time: Obama will win the nomination, McCain will win the General Election. America, especially the poor African-America, will lose the next four year, even eight years! As mentioned in this article, African-America is the base of democrat party. Unfortunately, they are not the base of America. This is the real fate! Unfortunately!
Posted by: frank_c | March 13, 2008, 11:17 pm 11:17 pm
Penn was apparently quoted out of context. His analysis is similar to many other experts on electability. Without the hype, I will try to break it down:
Clinton has the dem core voters who are party loyal. The only loyal dem voters who support Obama are the liberal latte. The state contests show a distinct result:
Obama cannot win the electoral majority in Nov without Clinton supporters.
Clinton is already carrying the electoral majority without Obama supporters.
What he said was related to the above facts. If Obama is the nominee, he must somehow suddenly get the support of 75% or more of the dem core to beat McCain. These are simple statistical facts based on all the variables.
This is more a talking point for the SDs than the voters but it will influence the core dem voters who have not voted yet which may result in strong Clinton wins. Ultimately, it is the SDs that will tip the election either way in combination with the will of the voters, not in spite of them.
It is a close race, anything can happen, let the nomination process playout and let the remaining voters participate including MI and FL.
Posted by: DCVoter | March 13, 2008, 11:20 pm 11:20 pm
Unfortunately, any general election matchup poll prior to October or so is essentially useless because there is no way of knowing whether the dem voters will unite or not behind the nominee. The point being made by Penn and other analysts is simple: if the dems do not unite behind Obama, he will not beat McCain based on electoral majority. There is an interesting analysis that shows the black voting bloc (12% of the country) overwhelmingy has supported democratic candidates in every election in recent history (Kerry, Gore, Clinton, and so on) but the white male electorate (1/3) have tilted the electoral votes in southern states that have large black voting blocs in favor of Reps with the exception of Bill Clinton’s runs. Kerry ignored the white male vote in the southern states and Gore couldnt carry them – both liberals. The fact is, based on the analyst’s statement: no Rep or Dem has ever been placed in the WH by the black voting bloc. It takes a combination of votes combined with the white majority to win… period. The fact that the dems have only won 3 presidential elections against the reps in the last 40 years is not surprising is it? What it will take is a united dem party and that does not exist. Clinton, having the dem core voters, has the best chance even without Obama supporters because the dem party is so much larger than the rep party right now in terms of support. However, the indies being 44% of the electorate this year make their bloc significant. On the dem side, it looks like the libs support Obama and the moderates support Clinton. This bloc can easily swing the election between the dems and reps because they are not party loyal. Clinton and McCain are both moderates… Obama is liberal. All things considered… Penn is right.
Posted by: DCVoter | March 14, 2008, 12:03 am 12:03 am
Mat Math. I think it is safe to say at this stage of the game you can throw out your abacus, calculator, slide rule and spread sheets. Math will not be a factor in whom the super delegates will choose. They have too look at electability and strategy, and August is light years away.
If Mr. Obama continues his downward trend in the polls and in public perception as the weaker candidate, the supers will throw their support behind Hillary. That is the reason they are there. Since Obama came on the scene people voted with their feelings and their hearts , not their heads. They are political experts who must steer the country and the electorate in the proper direction.
Posted by: Jay | March 14, 2008, 12:50 am 12:50 am
girlinvt: As we speak the Pastor Wright story is everywhere.
Politico. com, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, The Caucus, It is growing wildly out of control. Obama need to do some damage control real quick, or forget about firing Pastor Wright. Obama himself may have to step down due to public outrage.
Posted by: Jay | March 14, 2008, 12:53 am 12:53 am
Mark Penn needs to remember the REPUBLICANS WON’T BE VOTING FOR HILLARY in November although I doubt she will make it that far.
I can understand all the race baiting. I don’t agree with it, but I can see right through it. It is simply to enrage white voters so they will get out and vote for her.
But to play right into the Republican’s hands…I just don’t get it. She really is burning Rhome isn’t she.
Posted by: Texas Independent Voter | March 14, 2008, 1:05 am 1:05 am
Hey “Math” guy,
About a week ago ABC news issued a report that the race had become a dead heat, nationally. This was reported on “This Week”. The reverence with which this was reported was striking, and brings into light the fact that the the press cares much more greatly about the national “mood” than it does for silly nominating math. As the press goes, so goes the politicians. And so, when we roll into a convention at which time Hillary has moved 5 to 10 points into the lead on the fact that Obama is not electable as President, combined with the Pennsylvania landslide, and the Florida re-vote landslide, and a substantial popular vote lead which has left Obama in the dust, you will then see the end game coming into play. Mr. Obama will figure out what hit him in about eight years, as did McCain with his adversary Bush.
Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | March 14, 2008, 1:21 am 1:21 am
dl
You seem to assume than the trend of red states turning blue since 2000 (if it exists) will continue and you base that on 2004. In 2004, Bush running for re-election kept those states even though most people had learned by that time that he was an idiot. Republicans stay true to their party even at the cost of their own integritiy. Now they have McCain running and republicans will fall in line behind him more than they did Bush. Independents don’t have a problem with McCain either. I say again and I say it as a 20 democrat, Obama hasn’t got a prayer.
Posted by: JR | March 14, 2008, 1:23 am 1:23 am
Sorry, I meant 20 year democrat.
Posted by: JR | March 14, 2008, 1:24 am 1:24 am
Well Mat, there are still 351 super delegates uncommitted, and none of them are budging an inch either way. What are they waiting for? If as you say, it is over for Clinton, than all 351 should have jumped to Obama by now. Why are they waiting?
Posted by: Jay | March 14, 2008, 1:24 am 1:24 am
Im sick of Clinton’s campaign treating bigger states as if they are more important, majority rules and thus far the majority has spoken.
Posted by: nerd | March 14, 2008, 4:24 am 4:24 am
I can not agree more that Obama can not win a general election. First and foremost because he is not qualified for the job (doesn’t matter if he’s black, asian, mexican, or anglo-sachsen), he is actually quite dumb but I certainly wouldn’t say as dumb as WB. The reason why he’s gotten so far: Rep’s know he can’t win coming November. Since they have a vast control of the American media they have been giving him positive media coverage, with positive results as you can see. I’ll bet with anyone that if he wins the nomination that we will have another Republican President for at least another 4 years, just enough to build a case towards attacking Iran, the last major Oil country NOT under US control.
So, to make this clear so the equally dumb supporters of the Obama campaign get it, a vote for Obama to become nominee is like voting for McCain for President, understand dumbo?
Clinton can certainly beat McCain, and Bill has been one of the better Presidents in America’s recent history. If you disagree, then who was better fool?
Posted by: Doug | March 14, 2008, 5:59 am 5:59 am
Doug…do you realize that your candidate failed the bar exam twice (in DC) and finally passed it in Arkansas because the bar exam there has a much higher pass rate (80%). Obama managed to graduate from Columbia University and Harvard University Law School magna cum laude (with honors for those non-Latin speaking people). He also passed the bar exam on the first try (in Illinois, with a much lower pass rate). So let’s not argue about which candidate is smarter.
Posted by: Janet | March 14, 2008, 7:31 am 7:31 am
Hey Obama supporters. I am the blackest
of black democrats but cant be fooled
like you just voting for Obama because
he is black. Lets be realistic because
the superdelegates will be very
realistic in making Hillary the nominee,
like it or not. Facts:Obama is in the
lead because blacks have voted for him
9-1. Blacks make up only 12.5% of the
population. Then all the whites should
vote for Hillary and the nomination is
over. When Obama wins, these states are
so marginal Hillary gets peanuts to
finish second vs when Hillary wins
these states are so meaningful, Obama
gets many delegates to finish second,
eg, California,Texas, New York, New
Jersey, Massachussetts, just to name a
few. Hillary’s Highest count in
delegates to finish second is 49 in
Illinois. If the superdelegates read
this from me they can easily solve
this nomination quagmire. Simple math.
Winner takes all in the states they won.
Totals. Clinton 1414, Obama 1231 and
this is not counting Florida and
Michigan. By the way, the DNC should
conduct the rest of the races as
primaries, not caucuses, the people vote
big come election day
Posted by: fitzroy ellis | March 14, 2008, 8:17 am 8:17 am
DON’T BE DUPED!!!
Large numbers of Republicans have been voting for Barack Obama in the DEMOCRATIC primaries, and caucuses. Because they feel he would be a weaker opponent against John McCain. And because they feel that a Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama ticket would be unbeatable. And also because with a Clinton and Obama ticket you are almost 100% certain to get quality, affordable universal health care very soon.
But first, all of you have to make certain that Hillary Clinton takes the democratic nomination and then the Whitehouse. NOW! is the time. THIS! is the moment you have all been working, and waiting for. You can do this America. “Carpe diem” (harvest the day).
I think Hillary Clinton see’s a beautiful world of plenty, and comfort for all. She is a woman, and a mother. And it’s time America. Do this for your-self, and your children’s future. You will have to work together on this and be aggressive, relentless, and creative. Americans face an even worse catastrophe ahead than the one you are living through now.
You see, the medical and insurance industry mostly support the republicans with the money they ripped off from you. And they don’t want you to have quality, affordable universal health care. They want to be able to continue to rip you off, and kill you and your children by continuing to deny you life saving medical care that you have already paid for. So they can continue to make more immoral profits for them-self.
Hillary Clinton has actually won by much larger margins than the vote totals showed. And lost by much smaller vote margins than the vote totals showed. Her delegate count is actually much higher than it shows. And higher than Obama’s. HILLARY CLINTON IS ALREADY THE TRUE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE!
As much as 30% of Obama’s primary, and caucus votes are Republicans trying to choose the weakest democratic candidate for McCain to run against. These Republicans have been gaming the caucuses where it is easier to vote cheat. This is why Obama has not been able to win the BIG! states primaries. Even with Republican vote cheating help.
Hillary Clinton has been out manned, out gunned, and out spent 2 and 3 to 1. Yet Obama has only been able to manage a very tenuous, and questionable tie with Hillary Clinton.
If Obama is the democratic nominee for the national election in November he will be slaughtered. Because the Republican vote cheating help will suddenly evaporate. All of this vote fraud and republican manipulation has made Obama falsely look like a much stronger candidate than he really is. YOUNG PEOPLE. DON’T BE DUPED! Think about it. You have the most to lose.
The democratic party needs to fix this outrage. I suggest a Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama ticket now! Everyone needs to throw all your support to Hillary Clinton NOW! So you can end this outrage against YOU the voter, and against democracy.
I think Barack Obama has a once in a life time chance to make the ultimate historic gesture for unity, and change in America by accepting Hillary Clinton’s offer as running mate. Such an act now would for ever seal Barack Obama’s place at the top of the list of Americas all time great leaders, and unifiers for all of history. But the time to act is soon.
The democratic party, and the super-delegates have a decision to make. Are the democrats, and the democratic party going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee to fight for the American people. Or are the republicans going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee through vote fraud, and gaming the DEMOCRATIC party primaries, and caucuses.
Fortunately the Clinton’s have been able to hold on against this fraudulent outrage with those repeated dramatic comebacks of Hillary Clinton’s. Only the Clinton’s are that resourceful, and strong. Hillary Clinton is your NOMINEE. They are the best I have ever seen.
“This is not a game” (Hillary Clinton)
Sincerely
jacksmith…
Posted by: jacksmith | March 14, 2008, 8:23 am 8:23 am
It still seems that she is still the inevitable president… either Clinton in 2008 or she will make it imposible for a dem to win, going so far as to praising the republican candidate over the democratic front runner leaving it open for her in 2012.
Also,
Why is the media allowing the candidates, mainly the Clintons, get away with all of this political posturing over the Florida mail-in ballot. It is against the state constitution to have any mail-in vote in which a candidate appears on the ballot (questions and propositions are okay). So, not a problem, hold a private non-state supported primary paid for by rich Clinton supporters (New Jersey’s Governor) but the constitution also prohibits the state from sharing the voter roles and information, so why let someone score points for backing a plan that they know isn’t doable?
Posted by: Larry | March 14, 2008, 9:29 am 9:29 am
So are the Americans that are voting for Hillary will not vote for Barack in the general election if he is the democratic candidate? I know as a Barack supporter, I would definitely vote and try to convince others to vote for Hillary if she is the candidate. Would they vote for John McCain or not vote at all? There has been a lot of talk that Blacks were voting for Barack because is he is Black and now I realize that Whites are Not voting for Barack because he is Black. It definitely does not have anything to do with the candidate qualification or national security experience or who would work the hardest to try moving this country forward.
Posted by: Wendy | March 14, 2008, 9:34 am 9:34 am
Rep’s are not only cheating on converting to Dem’s to vote for the weak and dumb candidate, the media people are playing the biggest role (by the way those are the same media people covering WB’s dumb ass because he should be declared the worst President EVER)!
Imagine, if we put Obama in the oval office, it’d be like an intern was just hired to run the biggest company in the world! lol It’d be like in 2000 when WB took office, and look how he ran America since then? Thank you.
I disagree with Obama being the VP, for what? He does not bring any value to the table. If Rep’s would give me the same media coverage, I could get on the polls and retardately yell ‘Change Change’ and get some votes.
The VP has to be smart taking care all the issues in the background and advise the President on ALL issues with deep knowledge, what the hell is Obama gonna advise Hillary? ‘Umm.. I think we got some people overseas mad at us, I dunno why but they just called you a biatch. Lemme go send some B2′s for you and scare them off.’
Look, the choice is quite simple, and btw. I’m neither a Rep nor a Dem, if I could I would vote for Nader all the way which is sadly not realistic the way this retarded and outdated two party system works. But I follow politics and I do see a challenging time ahead of us because ultimately every Obama vote brings McBush2 closer to the White house and unintentionally closer to another war, more poverty hence increased crime rates while the count of billionaires continues to rise, decline in education, less people medically insured, maybe another 9/11 to have a reason to invade another oil rich country, etc..etc. = chaos! (same as we’ve been watching from the sideline since 2000)
But what do I know, I’m just an independent observer.
Posted by: Doug | March 14, 2008, 9:37 am 9:37 am
what i dont understand is how any of you obama supporters could still advocate for him after learning of rev wrights statements incl GD america and we caused 9/11 because we are the terrorists and obama continues to attend and contribute to rev wrights church.not only that he exposes his children to this hate filled and vile speech sunday after sunday,so dont tell me he can win in november this story will not die and it will be the beginning of the end for saint obama.
Posted by: don tufts | March 14, 2008, 9:40 am 9:40 am
In every pole I’ve seen, Clinton vs. McCain or Obama vs. Mcain, I havn’t seen any candidate cross the 50% threshold. That means the independents are keeping thier powder dry. Neither McCain nor Obama were thier parties establishment candidate and that seems to register with the swing voters who are tired of the partisan battles on both sides of the isle, Clinton is a polalizing figure and has too high a negative to win the independent and cross the 50% threshold.
Posted by: Larry | March 14, 2008, 10:01 am 10:01 am
Don’t go by polls, if we would have gone by polls Hillary would have been long gone.
Polls are another way to manipulate the voters to vote for one canditate: ‘shooot did you see the latest polls, this guy Bakarak or whatever his name is, is in the lead, I guess I’ll vote for him too since I don’t follow politics’ = 75% of Americans.
Posted by: Doug | March 14, 2008, 10:12 am 10:12 am
to druid then i guess you agree with rev wrights statements just like obama contiues to do by attending ,contributing and the absolutely most unforgivable thing exposing two very young and very innocent girls to this kind of hate and antiamerican garbage and you want this charlaten to be president,it also puts michelles comment about this being the first time in her life that she is proud to be an american,lol they are done this is not going away and should we be stupid enough to still nominate this antiamerican snake oil salesman then its over mcain will win in a landslide.
Posted by: don tufts | March 14, 2008, 10:25 am 10:25 am
Druid, your “greatest man in politics” chose to sit and listen to hate filled bigotry toward people and our country. He chose to have this man as his spiritual leader. He chose to give this church money. The CHOICE was his and he chose to spend time worshiping with this man and listening to his hate filled sermons. He may not have given the sermons, but he was a willing participant.
Posted by: pp | March 14, 2008, 10:29 am 10:29 am
McCain was was endorsed by a pastor who and I quote “Hurricane Katrina was an act of God, punishing New Orleans for “a level of sin that was offensive to God”. “of the judgment of God against the city of New Orleans.” He went on to say hurricane struck and that this was proof “of the judgment of God”.
Pat Roberston -Evangelical Leader said and I quote ” “Maybe we need a very small nuke thrown off on Foggy Bottom to shake things up” –Pat Robertson, on nuking the State Department
“Well, I totally concur.” –Pat Robertson to Jerry Falwell following the Sept. 11 attacks, after Falwell said, “I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way — all of them who have tried to secularize America — I point the finger in their face and say: “You helped this happen.”
So should EVERY ONE THAT CONSIDERS THEMSELVES TO BE EVANGELICAL HAVE RENOUNCED THEIR FAITH? SHOULD McCain have renounced Hagee? Should HAGEE’S members have walked out? Should Catholics left the church when it was found out the sooooooo many priets were molesting children? NO, the fact is many relgious leaders say things we DO NOT AGREE WITH IN TOTALITY. WE ARE NOT GUILTY BY ASSOCIATION.
Posted by: THINK | March 14, 2008, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm
simple. hillary is playing the if i can not win then i will make sure obama does not win in the fall. therfore win he loses (which i do not think he will) she thinks dem will worship her and her husband like they did in the 90′s she wants all of us to bow down before her and kiss the ring. it is not about dems or republicans or even our country it is about power for her and bill. they it had once they want it again.
Posted by: sandrat | March 14, 2008, 1:36 pm 1:36 pm
Hillary should hire Mohammed Saeed Al-Sahhaf (remember the” Bagdad Bob” on Iraqi TV during the invasion?). He should be able to pass her test about the “experience” required in communicating to the media. If Hillary added him to her staff, Mark Penn and Howard Wolfson could stay on as her trusted and loyal advisors but both should have to clear their public comments with their new mentor.
Posted by: Doug | March 14, 2008, 1:45 pm 1:45 pm
They have there nerves. Her arrogance makes me sick. She says obama cant win the general election without realizing that she to is facing an uphill battle. as many people that refuse to vote for a black man, will also not vote for a white woman esp one with the last name Clinton.
Posted by: Chicago | March 14, 2008, 2:03 pm 2:03 pm
Perhaps the most widespread misconception about Barack Obama that has been forcefully expounded by both Hillary Clinton and John McCain is that because he is younger than both of them he therefore must be too inexperienced to be president.
Senator John McCain is 71 years old, Senator Hillary Clinton is age 60 and Senator Barak Obama is 46 years of age. But America has had both younger and older individuals who have served with great distinction as president such as Theodore Roosevelt who became president at age 42, John Kennedy who assumed the presidency at age 43, and Ronald Regan who was sworn in as the Commander in Chief on January 20, 1981 at age 69.
Bill Clinton became president at age 46 after having served 12 years as the governor of Arkansas, but without having had any experience whatsoever in Washington. Before Abraham Lincoln took the oath of office in 1860 to become our 16th president he had previously served 8 years as an Illinois state legislator and 4 years in the U.S. Congress, which incidentally just happens to have been precisely Barack Obama’s experience. If Barack Obama is sworn in as the 44th President of the United States on January 20, 2009 he will have served 12 years as an elected legislator which include 8 years as an Illinois State Senator and 4 years as a U.S. Senator and he will be 47 years old.
In the 1960 Democratic primary election Senator John Kennedy was also told he was too young and inexperienced to be president, then by such notable members of the “old guard” as Eleanor Roosevelt, Harry Truman, Adlai Stevenson, and Lyndon Johnson. Kennedy was told to wait his turn! But, of course JFK won the 1960 Democratic primary and went on to defeat Richard Nixon in the general election despite Nixon’s protest that “Kennedy is too young and inexperienced to be President.” It wasn’t true then about John F. Kennedy and it isn’t true now about Barack Obama.
Voters should evaluate Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama not simply on the basis of their respective ages of 60 and 46 but look closely at how each of them approaches politics and consider their individual life experience, compare their respective judgment, character, vision, intelligence, imagination and creativity, and assess each one’s ability to unify America and actually bring about significant changes in Washington.
Posted by: Robert | March 14, 2008, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm
More distortions from the Obama camp. AS IF the Dems will win Colorado in the general! And news flash: Obama did not win New Mexico, Hillary did. And regarding polls: right now Hillary is ahead of McCain in national polls. Hillary has won many more pivotal states: CA, Arkansas, Tennessee, Florida, New Mexico, Arizona, etc. Obama has won red states with miniscule caucus votes (eg: Wyoming’s 10,000 votes). They are misleading the American people about the general election. If he is the nominee, the Dems will lose again.
Posted by: fran | March 14, 2008, 7:36 pm 7:36 pm
Obama is now appearing on the various news outlet’s trying to defend himself on having such a long relationship with a racist and bigoted Pastor J Wright, People please don’t fall for this, Obama is good at lying and duping the American Public, he has no credibility or trust now, he should have put this in the bag a long time ago, he’s only doing it now, in order to save his Political career, well, the American public are not illiterate or stupid like he may think. Obama’s goose may be finally cooked on this one, America please remember this at the voting poles, let’s stop Obama before he becomes our President, there is no way Obama can claim he did not know what his Pastor was preaching on Sunday mornings, if he was not their in person, Obama could buy video and audio tapes of his teachings like other people do over the internet and mail order service, so he knew or should have know that his Pastor was teaching anti- American, and racist sermons over the last 20yrs. Obama should not try an insult the American’s people’s intelligence. I don’t want a Presidential candidate who is already trying took make a fool out of me. Obama is no good fro America, vote for Hillary it least you know what you are getting, as opposed to Obama, who have a lot more skeleton’s in the closet that’s yet to be brought out into the light.
Posted by: Darrell | March 14, 2008, 8:48 pm 8:48 pm
I am amazed at how no matter what comes up about Barack Obama, everyone makes excuses, come on, if You had a uncle that said all of the hate and bigotry that Jeremiah Wright spewed, you sure wouldn’t take him out and put him on stage, much less keep watching him for 20 years. This guys isn’t an uncle this guy is his spiritual leader, this guy is pure hate, and his hate is leveled at white people, and the United States government. I have been to a couple of churches in my time, and when they didn’t go along with my core beliefs I left, therefore I cannot give Obama the benefit of the doubt, are we supposed to believe that when Obama was in the house Jeremiah Wright didn’t say these awful comments. I wouldn’t believe that if I were saying it. Why do people keep giving him a pass as they belittle Clinton every step of the way, if anyone with any common sense thinks that after all of this, Obama can possibly be elected in the general election come November you must have left your values at the door. I don’t want anyone representing me that could sit and listen to Wright for 20 years and act like that is normal, much less praise him in books and speech. I am thoroughly disgusted with this man and the people who keep giving him a free ride. Are you guys the same ones that ridiculed Ferraro??? She said what, that a white man in his position couldn’t be elected??? How does that compare with what Obama has been listening to and living with for 20 years. Obama’s wife certainly seems to go along with Wright, considering her comment about her pride in her government for the first time in her life, sounds like a comment Jeremiah Wright might make. If this were a white person, man or woman that had been attending this church for 20 years the media and pundits would have crucified them by now, what’s up with you people?
Posted by: Linda Timbs | March 15, 2008, 11:09 am 11:09 am
I’m an Black American Male who believes that Obama should stop his campaign and go home, America does not need a President who is associated with a known racist and bigot for over 20yrs and than having him work in his campaign, Obama is a undercover racist and bigot as well, there is no way he can convince me that he truly did not know what his Pastor’s teachings stood for, Come on please don’t insult my intelligence.
I believe now that the truth has finally came out will still come out about Obama’s past, America is going to be even more shocked, so people put your seat belts on and fasten them tight, because a steep roller coaster of Obama life is going to be revealed before you even faster, now that the news media his finally got some guts to start sharing with America all of Obama’s deep dark secrets that he thought would never come up and out, before he was mistakenly nominated for Presidency.
I recommend that the mature voters lead teach and guide the younger voters in a different direction from Obama, because they have tremendously been brained washed by Obama’s occult like speeches, it’s going to be hard to get them to accept that Obama is not good for America, but if the older voters stick together and really mentor our young people, they will begin to fall away from Obama’s campaign and grip hold on their young minds one by one, some of these young people really don’t know the election process, and many have voted for the first time in their lives, Obama’s campaign rallies to them where like going to a late night rock concert, they begin to follow Obama like he was a popular rock or Rap star, so many of our young people’s minds has to be purged and reconditioned away from Obama’s compelling grip, it’s like being on a ill-legal drug and have to go through drug detoxicifican in order to come down off it, this is how far some of our young people his been deceived and brain washed by the Obama campaign.
I suggest that all Americans begin writing letters by the millions to the media and the DNC Chairman Howard Dean to pressure Obama to step down, and if he refuses, do not vote for him anymore throughout the rest these primaries, this will send a strong message that we do not want a liar, a person that was associated with a known racist or bigot Pastor for over 20yrs, and now Obama tries to denounce the Pastor to dupe the American people into saving his political career, it’s over for Obama now, no turning back for him, If this happens, the Super delegates and voters will start switching to or back to Hillary’s side because it would be the most popular, politically correct, and safest thing to do now, I believe if we don’t denounce and get rid of Obama now, America would have made a grave mistake in the long-term, Democratic Party and America as a whole will suffer for not stopping this man in his tracks before he divide this country up even more.
As a Black voter for Hillary, Geraldine Ferraro was right on the money, if it was not for the black vote, Obama would not have gotten this far in the first place, her statement is not racist to me, she was only stating fact by looking at the high percentage of blacks voting for Obama in the primaries, this is very obvious, this is not rocket science you know. So, the voter’s and super delegates who voted for Obama reject needs to reject those votes and vote for Hillary before it’s too late, Obama is definitely a liability and political death for the Democratic Party and America as well
Posted by: Darrell | March 15, 2008, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm
I’m an Black American Male who believes that Obama should stop his campaign and go home, America does not need a President who is associated with a known racist and bigot for over 20yrs and than having him work in his campaign, Obama is a undercover racist and bigot as well, there is no way he can convince me that he truly did not know what his Pastor’s teachings stood for, Come on please don’t insult my intelligence.
I believe now that the truth has finally came out will still come out about Obama’s past, America is going to be even more shocked, so people put your seat belts on and fasten them tight, because a steep roller coaster of Obama life is going to be revealed before you even faster, now that the news media his finally got some guts to start sharing with America all of Obama’s deep dark secrets that he thought would never come up and out, before he was mistakenly nominated for Presidency.
I recommend that the mature voters lead teach and guide the younger voters in a different direction from Obama, because they have tremendously been brained washed by Obama’s occult like speeches, it’s going to be hard to get them to accept that Obama is not good for America, but if the older voters stick together and really mentor our young people, they will begin to fall away from Obama’s campaign and grip hold on their young minds one by one, some of these young people really don’t know the election process, and many have voted for the first time in their lives, Obama’s campaign rallies to them where like going to a late night rock concert, they begin to follow Obama like he was a popular rock or Rap star, so many of our young people’s minds has to be purged and reconditioned away from Obama’s compelling grip, it’s like being on a ill-legal drug and have to go through drug detoxicifican in order to come down off it, this is how far some of our young people his been deceived and brain washed by the Obama campaign.
I suggest that all Americans begin writing letters by the millions to the media and the DNC Chairman Howard Dean to pressure Obama to step down, and if he refuses, do not vote for him anymore throughout the rest these primaries, this will send a strong message that we do not want a liar, a person that was associated with a known racist or bigot Pastor for over 20yrs, and now Obama tries to denounce the Pastor to dupe the American people into saving his political career, it’s over for Obama now, no turning back for him, If this happens, the Super delegates and voters will start switching to or back to Hillary’s side because it would be the most popular, politically correct, and safest thing to do now, I believe if we don’t denounce and get rid of Obama now, America would have made a grave mistake in the long-term, Democratic Party and America as a whole will suffer for not stopping this man in his tracks before he divide this country up even more.
As a Black voter for Hillary, Geraldine Ferraro was right on the money, if it was not for the black vote, Obama would not have gotten this far in the first place, her statement is not racist to me, she was only stating fact by looking at the high percentage of blacks voting for Obama in the primaries, this is very obvious, this is not rocket science you know. So, the voter’s and super delegates who voted for Obama reject needs to reject those votes and vote for Hillary before it’s too late, Obama is definitely a liability and political death for the Democratic Party and America as well
Posted by: Darrell | March 15, 2008, 12:33 pm 12:33 pm
Wow. Darrell I don’t believe for one moment that you are black. You are not fooling anyone. You are just pretending to be someone you are not in order to persuade voters to think differently about Barack. And I suggest that all of the haters of Rev. Wright take time to listen to his his remarks within their original context before before finalizing your opinions. The 15 or 30 second sound bites of Pastor Wright’s remarks were deliberately chosen in order to promote negative public opinions of both Sen. Obama and Dr. Wright.
Posted by: Jezreel | April 1, 2008, 5:08 am 5:08 am