Clinton: What’s All This Clinton-Obama Ticket Talk?
At Ravello’s Café-Pizza in Scranton, Penn., just now, I asked Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., about the talk of a Clinton-Obama ticket, which has been ginned up by her, her husband, and her campaign chairman.
(More on that HERE or watch HERE)
Her answer was quite strange, considering it’s been her camp fueling this buzz.
TAPPER: "Senator, how do you reconcile your suggestion that maybe Senator Obama would be appropriate to be on a Clinton-Obama ticket while at the same time you are suggesting that he isn’t prepared to be commander-in-chief?"
CLINTON: "Well this thing has really been given a life of its own. You know, a lot of Democrats like us both and have been very hopeful that they wouldn’t have to make a choice, but obviously Democrats have to make a choice and I’m looking forward to getting the nomination. And it’s premature to talk about whoever might be on whose ticket, but I believe that I am ready to serve on day one."
Bizarre.
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Posted by: Druid | March 10, 2008, 6:18 pm 6:18 pm
She just insulted you man. Go figure it out.
Posted by: Ram | March 10, 2008, 6:21 pm 6:21 pm
Liar liar pants on fire!
Posted by: Martiza | March 10, 2008, 6:31 pm 6:31 pm
What’s Bizarre Jake? I thought it was an honest answer. The media ( you guys) are the ones blowing it all out of proportion. Mrs. Clinton said it could be a possibility. She never said she would pick Obama as her VP , should she win the nomination. The MSM just carried it, and slanted it, and BIG MOUTH BHO, got into it, and now it’s a snowball in hell… Typical news day.
Posted by: Jay | March 10, 2008, 6:32 pm 6:32 pm
It is so obvious to me that this is just what she does. She says one thing, like MI and FL shouldn’t be rewarded by seating the delegates while she was campaigning in Iowa (and running the Campaign of Inevitability), then she says that “Of course we need to seat those delegates, that’s only fair.” In other words, I need to change the rules halfway through the game in order to win! I don’t know about you but I never liked playing with cheaters!
Posted by: What.Say.Me... | March 10, 2008, 6:34 pm 6:34 pm
I remember trying to defend her old man for 8 years. So glad when that mess ended. Not going to put myself through that again. There is a reason he was impeached, it wasn’t the Vast right wing conspiracy.
Posted by: John Compton | March 10, 2008, 6:37 pm 6:37 pm
Come on, Jay…give me a break. Are you seriously going to blame the media for this one. Seriously…she said it over several campaign stops, without prompting. And you’re telling me that she just made an observation that, Oh Yeah…Obama could be a choice. And she didn’t know that it was going to be viewed like this. And not to mention that her husband just coincidentally said that Clinton-Obama would be almost unstoppable…Give it up…It was spin and now she’s trying to backpeddle as fast as she can because it is starting to backfire against her.
Posted by: What.Say.Me... | March 10, 2008, 6:37 pm 6:37 pm
Hillary explaining why she’s at a pizzeria: Its not that I like pizza. I just like to eat at a pizzeria and chew pepperonis. -that notion has taken a life of its own.
Posted by: Jos | March 10, 2008, 6:38 pm 6:38 pm
She is in “Defcon4″ mode… stay on message. Go for the win, but hold out for second slot if things don’t turn out. She want’s her cake and shove into the face of the American public too!
At least she did not do the cackle after she said it… then rode of on her broom along side her flying monkeys looking to destroy Dorothy.
Posted by: smartprimate | March 10, 2008, 6:39 pm 6:39 pm
They should nominate Obama for President, Rezko for Vice President and Hillary for Chief of Staff. That would satisfy everyone’s needs!
Posted by: Rezko Fan | March 10, 2008, 6:39 pm 6:39 pm
Just talking out the other side of her mouth.She never answers a question and this is a good example,they are pushing for two reasons for they do nothing with out something behind it.1— she wants to get on this ticket no matter how she does it.2— She can say to the dem> party I am trying to solve this prob of no one on the ballet before Aug
Always a method to her madness….Like she is ready day one heaven help us!!!!!!
Posted by: honest | March 10, 2008, 6:39 pm 6:39 pm
Oh woah woah woah. The Clintons are the one who gave this idea a ‘life of it’s own’.
Now it’s a monster they can’t control…
Behold, the Frankenticket.
IT’S ALLIIIIVVEEEEE, ALLIIIVVVEEEEE!!!!!!
Posted by: Ladyvoter | March 10, 2008, 6:43 pm 6:43 pm
I guess she’s spun herself into a tight corner. She said Sen. Obama wasn’t ready to serve one day one, yet he’s good enough to be her VP. A VP is someone who can take your place in the event of the president’s demise or illness. I guess she doesn’t understand the meaning of VP or may be it’s Bill’s idea. She should go back to NYC, there’s going to be a vacant spot soon. According to Sen. Clinton NAFTA works well there too.
Posted by: Chan | March 10, 2008, 6:44 pm 6:44 pm
She is either disingenuous or incompetent. I suspect both. I think the reality is that she knows she has lost and is pulling a Huckabee. She really wants VP and is trying to act as if she could be president if something happened to President Obama.
I’m not sure she has the foreign policy experience however. Richardson would be a better choice than Clinton.
Actually, Huckabee would also be a better choice than Clinton. He is funnier.
Posted by: Jim B | March 10, 2008, 6:44 pm 6:44 pm
Oh,no. Media again!!! I’m tired of this crap.
Posted by: Chris | March 10, 2008, 6:48 pm 6:48 pm
Bizarre? Not bizarre at all. Completely expected from a Clinton. I don’t have to explain to you people again that everything they say is lie, do I? You get it now, don’t you?
Posted by: Gary | March 10, 2008, 6:48 pm 6:48 pm
So is this Hillary suggesting that she doesn’t know what’s going on inside her own campaign????? Again?????
Baloney!
Posted by: helen | March 10, 2008, 6:49 pm 6:49 pm
Someone who’s not a straight talker shouldn’t shoot her mouth. Since she worship Sen. McCain she should get lessons on how to answer direct questions with direct answers. It goes to show that she’s a typical politician.
Posted by: Chan | March 10, 2008, 6:49 pm 6:49 pm
You people are so very sad, and so immensely hypocritical. You are so far from anything near hope, change, or unity.
If you counted those who vote for Hillary in Florida, and if you realize that the caucuses don’t fully represent the majority of voters in states, more people in the Democratic party want Hillary to be our candidate, because she is most qualified.
And there are many who are now expressing buyer’s remorse because they only voted for Barack only because they thought he would be more likely to beat McCain, and now they realized that is not true. Now McCain is ahead of Barack in the latest polls, but Hillary is ahead of McCain.
The Republicans will portray Barack as an ‘inexperienced anti-war liberal,’ and not even Hillary would be able to rally their base more than that. Even Anne Coulter said she would vote for Hillary, I doubt she would say she’d vote for Barack.
The Republicans will truly scare swing voters about Barack, his bad judgement in his favors from Tony Rezko when Rezko was under investigation for fraud, extortion, money laundering and more, and his lack of experience, and they will chose the security of McCain, over all the fears of an unknown like Barack. Barack has no real proof that he can do anything he’s been saying, and so far he’s just been a giant hypocrite.
The Clintons are expert problem solvers, that is why Bill’s administration was the most accomplished and successful we have ever had. They got us out of recession and deficit and into record surplus and prosperity.
They are truly offering a solution to this division in the Democratic party. Barack is the one being divisive – he is the one being one of the biggest hypocrites I have ever seen.
He is the one who has been grossly unfair to the Clintons from the start.
They and Al Gore, are our most intelligent, qualified leaders. Al Gore is not running, but Hillary is.
The Clintons are policy experts. We need their expertise at this time.
Barack has a huge learning curve ahead, and I for one, do not want to have to wait as he goes through it.
Hillary is the most knowledgeable and qualified. She is a good woman. The people who know her, like Steven Spielberg, John Grisham, John Glenn, James Carville, all know and have testified to the fact that she is a very, dedicated hard working intelligent woman, who is immensely qualified.
Hillary is the one who is the most knowledgeable, has the best plans and policy, and would be able to help this country most efficiently and effectively.
Hillary for the economy!
Posted by: Lauren | March 10, 2008, 6:50 pm 6:50 pm
Jake
Please start a column about the racist spin obama was doing today in miss. It is so blatant Obama was starting the race talk today. But nowhere is there an article on it.
Posted by: toby | March 10, 2008, 6:50 pm 6:50 pm
I know her husband lost the Grammy to Obama but I really think she should get the Oscar for her acting ability. She is amazing…another Meryl Streep.
Posted by: Mike | March 10, 2008, 6:52 pm 6:52 pm
What’s so “bizarre” ? People have been blogging for months re. this hope of a “dream ticket” . Hillary decided to finally address it…strategy or not…who cares. If Obama supporters would read /listen to something other than what the Obama Camp has to say perhaps they would be inclined to make a more informed decision re. who REALLY is the best candidate. Take away Obama’s gift with the spoken word and REALLY what do you have????
Posted by: catherine in nm | March 10, 2008, 6:54 pm 6:54 pm
“Saying that Hillary has Executive Branch experience is like saying Yoko Ono was a Beatle”
Posted by: Not_THAT_Woman | March 10, 2008, 6:55 pm 6:55 pm
Toby you are no allowed to mention Obama and race in the same sentence. These are taboo subjects. Obama does not use race, ask any Obama supporter.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | March 10, 2008, 6:55 pm 6:55 pm
Her reply is not strange at all. This subject was brought up and has been pushed forth by the media. Sen. Clinton was trying to be sensitive and receptive to many’s wishes. Of course, she should not offer herself to be the VP, just like Sen Obama should not either. But at least she is keeping the door open.
Posted by: Vickie | March 10, 2008, 6:59 pm 6:59 pm
I keep going back to that moment when she sat in that cafe in New Hampshire and teared up saying “this is not a game…”
It seems like a game from them. I am not trying to diss her. I just think she “plays” it…she and her campaign.
and Lauren most of the party preferred Sen Clinton before barack came to their state. They didn’t know him and for years have been holding onto the Clinton’s as the one argument against Bush…and the bar to hold all other democratic candidates up to.
I say it all the time that’s not a great measurement, but after years of arguing with republicans…
So yeah people love the Clinton’s but why do you think so many people switch after he comes to their state.
Posted by: dl | March 10, 2008, 7:01 pm 7:01 pm
How many Hillary Clintons are there, and how come each one doesn’t know what the other is doing?
Posted by: Giohn | March 10, 2008, 7:02 pm 7:02 pm
Does any of this matter? America will not vote Obama, McCain will win anyway as America will be afraid of a black man that talks nothing but rhetoric. What did he change in Illinois? And you can bet his wife will be co-president, telling us how he leaves his empty cans in the oval office.
Posted by: Malania | March 10, 2008, 7:02 pm 7:02 pm
She’s ready to serve? Like when she did the job of a waitress at the Bob Evans in Rio Grande, Ohio the end fo February? Or as in, “Would you like fries with that?”
Posted by: Tom J | March 10, 2008, 7:04 pm 7:04 pm
Malania
perhaps you haven’t seen the numbers …
Much of America already has voted for Obama.
Posted by: dl | March 10, 2008, 7:04 pm 7:04 pm
in fact more than McCain or Hillary
Posted by: dl | March 10, 2008, 7:04 pm 7:04 pm
divide and conquer…that is what the republicans are doing to the democrats and the dems are taking the bait. We have got to come together if we are going to win.
Posted by: Linda | March 10, 2008, 7:07 pm 7:07 pm
Hilary and Bill were making observations and small minds made conclusions about those observations. Get a life and don’t trip in the dark.
Go Hilary!!
Posted by: Raoul | March 10, 2008, 7:10 pm 7:10 pm
are you serious? she really said that? and people are blaming the media and defending hillary? i’m sorry, folks, but there is no way to spin this.
mark penn is going to waterboard bill.
Posted by: Mara | March 10, 2008, 7:15 pm 7:15 pm
What’s up with the Change and Hope camp? Outspending 3 to 1 ( most of their 50 million dollars ) in TX and Ohio and what have they accomplished ? A defeat! Lesson to learn: uncleaned money will not buy victory. Viva,Karma !
Posted by: johnwhite | March 10, 2008, 7:17 pm 7:17 pm
This was a case of not having a rebuttal to the obvious follow up questions and just trying squash the whole thing. They wish they could take this asinine tactic back. It didn’t work out as well as they expected so they want a do over.
Posted by: Mike | March 10, 2008, 7:17 pm 7:17 pm
This is what happens when sociopaths run for office.
Obama made her look like an idiot today, so she’ll move on to plan #89. Tomorrow she’ll try something more desperate and outrageous.
It’s laughable and pathetic.
Posted by: Michael | March 10, 2008, 7:19 pm 7:19 pm
Dogsoldier
You are right, I guess I was really peeved to see the video on another blog that I hoped the MSM saw the act also. Obama has probally over 200 media people covering him and all of them missed the opportunity to report it.
Posted by: toby | March 10, 2008, 7:19 pm 7:19 pm
Hillary is right, it was the media not her. She is the media front-runner. that is why the media choose Hillary-Obama ticket story.
But people who are watching this, know that it’s Hallry and Bill who started that story, because they cannot get over it with Barack being the real front-runner.
Posted by: chris | March 10, 2008, 7:28 pm 7:28 pm
I’m got one word to describe Hillary Clinton and her campaign: Schizophrenics.
Posted by: Tarah | March 10, 2008, 7:29 pm 7:29 pm
It was Bill Clinton who said the Obama for VP thing in Mississippi, so Hillary can’t deny that it happened. Also, Bill Clinton appeared on the Rush Limbaugh show the day before the TX primary. It amazing how low the Clintons will go to screw the American people.
Posted by: Mike | March 10, 2008, 7:32 pm 7:32 pm
Am happy he refused that is the best news Hillary has gotten have no idea why anyone would ever suggest he can be VP.
As for the idea of a dream ticket who needs that Hillary is quiet capable of running on her own, I support the Democrat party in this election because of Hillary it sure is not because of Obama.
Posted by: SJ | March 10, 2008, 7:33 pm 7:33 pm
Toby that’s just par for the course. It took a SNL skit to force one week of honest reporting, but that’s long past. Back to normal.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | March 10, 2008, 7:36 pm 7:36 pm
First Susan Rice confirms that Obama is not ready to take the 3:00 call. Ms.Power says he has two plans to get out of Iraq, one for the voters another one for the europeans. Sounds like Obama needs to leave the training wheels on just a little longer. Maybe thats why he doesn’t want to be VP.
Posted by: russell | March 10, 2008, 7:38 pm 7:38 pm
Someone please educated Obama and let him know he is not running for president as yet, he is running to seek the nomination to be able to run against McCain for the position of POTUS, that is when the presidential race begins.
And to think this is a Harvard grad versed in constitutional law, lord help us!!!
Posted by: SJ | March 10, 2008, 7:39 pm 7:39 pm
actually the spelling is S-Y-B-I-L
one “L”
Posted by: alison | March 10, 2008, 7:39 pm 7:39 pm
I would just like to point out that Obama actually won Texas…it’s a primary caucus mix and when the real totals come out on 29th he will be in the lead by about 5 delegates in Texas….he hasn’t crowed about it….he’s a good man.
Posted by: KK | March 10, 2008, 7:41 pm 7:41 pm
Some did it because Barack’s campaign has tried to smear the Clintons, accusing them of racism. I guarantee you, if Barack was white, Bill still would have used the word ‘fairy tale’ when talking about Barack voting to continue to support war, but insisting so much that he’s against it.
Many only switched because they saw the polls that seemed to indicate that he had more chances of beating McCain.
Others did it for their kids – they liked the enthusiasm, and the inspiration. Which is great, and our party needs more of that, always. But we need to see that the real substance of that is not dependent on one candidate. It is true that when Democrats campaign we are always about hope and change. Those slogans have been used many different times for our party. That is why I am a democrat.
Barack is inspirational, and I am happy that he is now involved in our national politics, and I think with more proven experience he will be more qualified to run for President. That’s why being Vice-President would be a great position for him, or some other prominent cabinet position if he didn’t want to be VP.
But the more this goes on, the more people will question his qualifications and proof of them at this time, and if he gets the nomination, the Republicans will smear him ruthlesslessly.
Not John McCain – he will not condone it. But the 527s operate independently, and they do whatever they want.
Posted by: Lauren | March 10, 2008, 7:41 pm 7:41 pm
SJ said “Someone please educated Obama”
please educated? *sigh* well I should really listen to you then, right?
Posted by: KK | March 10, 2008, 7:43 pm 7:43 pm
I do wish Clinton would have said, “DUH? That’s why I believe he is no better than vice president material.” But she had to play nice I suppose. In essence, it doesn’t matter what or even how she answers anything because oil at $108 a barrel doesn’t demand a question for all the peoples no matter who they support. I know it bothers me.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | March 10, 2008, 7:47 pm 7:47 pm
If Obama is so inspirational can someone explain to me why is it that when he is speaking to a crowd of mostly AA he has to use words like “okie-doke” , “hoodwink ya, “bamboozle ya”, “pookie and jo- jo”.
What the hell does Obama feel all black people are dumb and uneducated? some need to here that kind of talk to feel comfortable that he is a “brother” why does he not explain to them what he is prepared to do in fixing the issues that effect them?
They sit there and clap and wave and he is yet to say one word on any issue directly effecting the black communities through America, he sure knows in his own words how to “bamboozle” the AA people.
Posted by: SJ | March 10, 2008, 7:48 pm 7:48 pm
After listening to Al Sharpton today I don’t think we will have a nominee. He says if he doesn’t like the do over options he is going to court. Doesn’t he know that is how Bush won in 2000? Looks like ole Al is going to give it to McCain by default. Thanks Al!
Posted by: russell | March 10, 2008, 7:49 pm 7:49 pm
Hillary Supporters. Enjoy your few weeks of thinking she still has a shot at the nomination. But, please be adults and vote for Obama in November.
The only reason Hillary won big states = name recognition and Obama’s lack of time to make a case in big markets like California. Do you really think if given the choice between him and McCain in November, the big states won’t go for Obama. Absurd. Try again in 2016 (or not at all). She would be an improvement over Reid as Majority Leader. That would be swell.
Posted by: billy Smith | March 10, 2008, 7:49 pm 7:49 pm
KK rather then check on my typo’s you still cant argue the fact that he is a idiot the race for president has not begun as yet.
So all this talk that he is telling people that he is running for president is crap he is running to seek the nomination to be the democrat candidate for the presidential race, that is when the race for the WH begins.
So he can slam Hillary all he want, he can say he is winning this and that it don’t mean jack at the moment, he has to challenge McCain then he can stand up and say he is now running for POTUS.
Posted by: SJ | March 10, 2008, 7:53 pm 7:53 pm
I am a devoted democrat. I am a Hillary supporter, but I do not work for the campaign.
I also have advanced degrees, and specialize in concept analysis and deconstructionism.
It is true that race is affecting this campaign. But it is not racism, it is reverse-racism.
Imagine if the Clintons were black, with all their experience, all their intelligence and proven competence.
Would people be treating them this way?
Posted by: Lauren | March 10, 2008, 7:57 pm 7:57 pm
Race Race,
that is indeed a stunning comment. First we have Gloria Steinem who tells us that John McCain wouldn’t be war hero if were a woman, and now we have Hillary’s top surrogate Geraldine Ferraro who tells us Barack Obama wouldn’t in this campaign AT ALL if he were NOT a black man.
?????!!!!
Would this open the eyes of Hillary fans?
This is for crying out load. This is feminism in its most gloomy and hysterical mode; may God beware that we’ll ever have one inch of that in White House.
And again, will Hillary denounce and reject Geraldine Ferraro, one of her greatest fundraisers?
Posted by: Greg | March 10, 2008, 8:02 pm 8:02 pm
Classic. Hillary has reached levels of self-parody heretofore unimagined. Good job calling her out, too. Sometimes her most ridiculous lies get a pass. It’s as if the sheer lunacy of what comes out of her mouth turns a journalist into a gibbering mess who can only manage to copy and paste her mind numbing talking points.
Posted by: MRL | March 10, 2008, 8:03 pm 8:03 pm
Even if by some miracle, Obama gets the nomination, he will never get the Presidency. Voters will get cold feet; hope or not, reality will sink in. The young will have moved on to something new and more exciting and Obama’s lack of experience, his lack of a voting record, his inability to stand up and fight, and lack of a good plan for the country plus double talking on the side will reveal him for what he is: empty rhetoric.
Posted by: alee21 | March 10, 2008, 8:03 pm 8:03 pm
Let me be more specific. I do not agree completely with Geraldine Ferraro’s statements. I think that if Barack were the same, but what, he would still be where he is for the most part. But I do believe there are dynamics to this race that are affected by race, both for the positive and negative.
There will be those who are prejudiced in both directions. Especially for, or especially against, affected by race.
Posted by: Lauren | March 10, 2008, 8:04 pm 8:04 pm
Billy Smith the democratic party is already fractured beyond repair. Obama still forcing FL and MI to the sidelines. His policy adviser insults Ohio and you somehow expect us to quietly move to your side can only be some sort of bad joke on your part, surely. I’ve lived in a hard right society for 7 years and I’m not about to move hard left. I’m a center to center small right democrat.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | March 10, 2008, 8:04 pm 8:04 pm
Hillary Clinton…. full of tactics and strategy to steal the nomination.
What happened to substance. I am so glad she won’t be the democratic nominee.
It seems to me that she is framing herself for the VP. i.e. ” I said you could be my VP, so can I be yours after you get the nomination officially?”
I can’t believe I actually would have supported this woman.
Posted by: Raum | March 10, 2008, 8:05 pm 8:05 pm
All of you Obama supporters don’t get your shorts all tied up in a knot. The fact is that your man will get the nomination. I don’t care how big Hillary’s popular vote margin or how many delegates she has,or how may do overs there are. In the end it is coming down to the superdelegates. These mostly white politcians are not going to give the nomination to Hillary because they do not want a repeat of the 68 convention. Former Gov. Wilder said on CNN that if superdelegates give the nomination to Hillary then there would be rioting in the streets! Nothing scares white politicans than seeing thousands of black people being led by Jesee Jackson and Al Sharpton running up and down the streets of Denver yelling “if you ain’t white you ain’t right! As a Hillary supporter I am determined that she stay in this race to the end and let these guys do the job that they are suppose to do and that is to break a tie. Then when Obama loses we can say that we told you so!
Posted by: russell | March 10, 2008, 8:06 pm 8:06 pm
Lauren,
You have my admiration for the simple truth contained in your post.
You pointed out what needs to be emphasized in every description of what is happening in this Presidential contest.
Reverse-racism is running rampant in every aspect of the Obama campaign and the flames are fanned at every opportunity by Obama fans.
The irony is that Obama is not even
actually black. Rather, Obama is half black. The Senator and his campaign simply use the portion of his identity that best serves their purpose at a given moment to dupe and mislead otherwise well-meaning voters.
Amusing in some ways, but quite pathetic overall.
BYW, I am an independent voter, I do not support any candidate, and I do not work for a campaign.
Posted by: ken | March 10, 2008, 8:11 pm 8:11 pm
“Senator, how do you reconcile your suggestion that maybe Senator Obama would be appropriate to be on a Clinton-Obama ticket while at the same time you are suggesting that he isn’t prepared to be commander-in-chief?”
Well, he wouldn’t be commander-in-chief if he were only V.P. He would gain more experience first as a V.P.to be commander-in-chief someday. He may be wonderful and charismatic but he is green and has a dismal voting record, missing 185 votes out 1098 in just two years. Hillary has only missed 152 votes out of over 2406 in 6 years. And he keeps bringing up her vote for the war, when he doesn’t vote much at all? Number one thing that elicits change is to be there to vote on bills that may become our laws, and write bills that at least make it out of committee. That’s the way it’s done. My biggest fear is the Obama bubble hasn’t been challenged enough, and Republicans are rubbing their palms together. Obama is known as a radical in congress and Republicans will jump on it. He is going to come up against that wall all through his presidency.
I’ve also been keeping track of what hits the media. After Super Tuesday, Hillary was 83 delegates ahead of Obama. It was called a dead heat everwhere as if Obama won. When Hillary trailed after the southern primaries less than 83 delegates she was labeled as struggling. What’s wrong with this picture? What happened to the likewise dead heat? If half the country like someone above writes, believes Obama is way ahead all the time and the numbers haven’t been terribly close, than it is a little more enticing to jump on the Obama bandwagon without knowing anything about the man. But the numbers are close. I’m part of the other half of all Democrats in this very close race that wants Hillary to win. The hope I’m seeing behind Obama’s campaign is not all that different than an analogy of cleaning out a horribly messy closet like this exiting administration will leave, and deciding to paint and refurbish the whole room at the same time. It is ludicrous! But that’s what many think is going to happen. A green senator is going to go in and clean up all the mess, some we don’t even know about yet, bring troops home or to Pakistan instead…with no money in our coffers, meet all the leaders of other countries for the first time, who know nothing about Obama either, and establish better environmental policy and quick. He voted for a huge pork barrel glutted energy bill that Hillary did not. The bill first gave tax breaks to the oil industry, and 5.7 billion to the nuclear power industry after Republicans and the nuclear industry watered down Obama’s nuclear bill until it died. That’s not standing up. That’s being run over and then swayed. People need to do their homework better as really concerned citizens. If we can blog, we can all look this stuff up on our own so we don’t just take a campaigns word for it. I didn’t mention Hillary’s shortcomings because those have already been aired everywhere, repeatedly. We know already.
Posted by: V. Rogers | March 10, 2008, 8:17 pm 8:17 pm
I am a devoted democrat. I am a Hillary supporter, but I do not work for the campaign.
I also have advanced degrees, and specialize in concept analysis and deconstructionism.
It is true that race is affecting this campaign. But it is not racism, it is reverse-racism.
Imagine if the Clintons were black, with all their experience, all their intelligence and proven competence.
Would people be treating them this way?
Posted by: Lauren | March 10, 2008, 8:18 pm 8:18 pm
After watching the Obama arrogance on ABC news this evening, I have to say that he is simply not President caliber.
Rather, Senator Obama much more resembled a tele-evangelist of the Jimmy Swaggart mode.
The laughable scene was even complete with the swinging and swaying crowd, hooting and hollering with hands raised.
The only thing missing was someone rolling in the aisles.
Good bait job by the Clintons, but I am surprised that Obama bit so easily.
Posted by: ken | March 10, 2008, 8:18 pm 8:18 pm
Just another example of Hillary trying to spin things from both directions. Just like how she has both endorse and denounced NAFTA, Spitzer, Driver’s Licenses for illegals, The War in Iraq…
This is really getting tiresome to watch her.
[FYI: I hear most of the discrimination coming from the Clinton camp. She even endorses the notion: Vote For Me - The First ~Woman~ President]
Posted by: wolf | March 10, 2008, 8:18 pm 8:18 pm
I dislike Hillary Clinton more and more every day. She and her supporters try to spin everything her way, and try to make it out like the media and everyone is against her. Now the Clinton News Network (CNN) has started playing it easy on her and tearing Obama down. She has been using her dirty tactics constantly to try and win this election, and I am sick of it. She attacked Obama viciously and untruthfully for a full week leading up to the Ohio/Texas voting, and when he finally stood up for himself and called her out on these lies, her camp tried to spin it like Obama is being the negative one. Wake up America!
Posted by: David | March 10, 2008, 8:19 pm 8:19 pm
Obama…Yikes: Thats all true if it were just that simple and I wish that it was. Reality is after listening to Al Sharpton today I now realize that he and others will challenge any do over in FL,and MI if Obama loses. This will cause tremendous pressure for the superdelegates to go ahead and pick Obama.
Posted by: russell | March 10, 2008, 8:19 pm 8:19 pm
As Obama said before “Somewhere along the straight talk express it [the bus] lost some wheels.” What a shame he was talking about McCain, but it applies NOW..
Posted by: Toni | March 10, 2008, 8:26 pm 8:26 pm
I love both Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson better than most comedy shows. Both Obama men. You can’t make this stuff up.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | March 10, 2008, 8:27 pm 8:27 pm
I am a US Citizen living abroad in Italy, since 10 years now. I have followed closely the tense battle between H. Clinton and B. Obama. I must say that in the beginning I was leaning more towards H. Clinton as her message was getting across in a more clear manner, with respects to B. Obama. The gains made by B. Obama (of 1l consecutive wins) did not alter my view, until I began to notice a Clinton camp doing all that is necessary to change the momentum of its rival. The result was successful even with me. I began to look at reasons why H. Clinton would be more eligible for position of President; however, if you look closely. You begin to understand to be sucked into some huge marketing campaign that knows how to influence the minds of people in general. I believe Obama represents a real change for America. America deserves a real change. The Clinton Triosca (Father, Mother, Daughter) again…did not America had enough? Let’s move on to something more genuine.
Posted by: Octavio Prieto | March 10, 2008, 8:34 pm 8:34 pm
theres a difference between attacking a fellow democrat and attacking a republican.
Posted by: Jay | March 10, 2008, 8:35 pm 8:35 pm
King,
To interpret Geraldine Ferraro’s remarks without context would be less than genuine, similar to what you have posted.
The emergence of reverse-racism in the Obama campaign tactics is evident and does not require comment from either you or me to retain validity.
You need to remember that Barak Obama, is not black. Rather, he is half-black as are several of my grandchildren. The difference is that in our family we do not attempt to use heritage, or a lack of the same, to gain political advantage. Barak Obama does.
As for what Limbaugh or Democrats have to say about any of us; Who cares?
Posted by: ken | March 10, 2008, 8:42 pm 8:42 pm
I guess you people don’t understand that the vice president is there to take the place of the president if anything happens. Therefore, Hillary Clinton must think that Obama is experienced enough. Hmmm I wonder if Obama is going to bring that out. He should!!
Posted by: Toni | March 10, 2008, 8:44 pm 8:44 pm
I think the whole notion that she would select someone to be her V.P. but would suggest that the person is unqualified to be President is laughable. It just shows that they really haven’t thought their message through and that they’re acting out of desparation.
For all those who have pondered “who REALLY is the best candidate” . . .
Hilary relied on name recognition to win the nomination. She did not build a grass root organization. As a leader, she didn’t structure her organization in a way that the roles were clear or that lent itself to growth. She didn’t manage her funds well even though she raised large sums of money. As a result, she is being outspent in every market.
She is not electable for all of these reasons, and, regardless of which Republic she might have faced in a general election, she could not win. The Republicans have been masterful grass root organizers.
She simply has not been prepared to run an effect campaign and is not prepared to be President. On that note, it is highly unlikely that Barack Obama would choose her to be his V.P. She has too many negatives and she’s adding to them everyday. What fodder it would be for John McCain to attack Hilary, the would be V.P nominee, with her own words and with her own ads, i.e the 3 AM ad.
Posted by: Shannon | March 10, 2008, 8:45 pm 8:45 pm
Hillary has not at all run the race, based on being a woman. She has run a race based on her knowledge and qualifications. She has mentioned the positive and exciting aspects of having a woman president. She has mentioned that it will be a first for our country if either of them is elected.
I am not saying that Barack is running a campaign based on race. But race issues are affecting this campaign, on both sides, for the positive and negative.
Like what you said, that it was racist to offer him the VP position. She would have offered that to him if the situation were the same, and he was white.
He may have more delegates now, and he may have won more of the smaller states, but if you count Florida, I guarantee you that more Democrats want Hillary to be our next President, because we want our most qualified candidate, and she is our most qualified candidate.
Hillary for the economy!
Posted by: Lauren | March 10, 2008, 8:47 pm 8:47 pm
It’s laughable at all – it’s the plain and obvious truth:
He is not at all as qualified as she is.
He couldn’t win against McCain, he’s already beginning to trail him in the polls.
He’s only had 3 years national experience.
She is the most qualified, she is the one most Democrats want, she is the one trying to provide a solution to the division in the party.
She is the one offering true hope, change and unity.
And you are all rejecting it and being hypocrites.
She is much more qualified than him.
Posted by: Lauren | March 10, 2008, 8:53 pm 8:53 pm
Obama…Yikes: Your legal analysis seems to be very sound. I am not sure Mr. Sharpton would have legal standing in FL. courts since he is not a resident thereof. Yet I doubt that it woud be very hard to find a FL resident who would complain that the process discrimnated agaist them in some way. This could be reviewed all the way to the FL Supreme Court and I think that it could be appealed in U.S. Court as well. This could lead to a protracted battle that the superdelegates definitely would want to avoid.
Your analysis of the consequences of this primary battle are legtimate. However I feel that it is important that in a democracy that we should try to strive to achieve the very thing we hold out as hope the rest of the world and that is everyone have the opprotunity to vote and that every vote count. Today as you know eight americans were killed protecting this right to vote so I find it pecuilar that there are those in the Obama campaign that say that the process has gone on to long. There attitude is that america can’t stand any more democracy. I say america can’t stand without it!
Posted by: russell | March 10, 2008, 8:53 pm 8:53 pm
Gee Lauren, since when do Tea parties count as executive experience?
Posted by: bob | March 10, 2008, 8:56 pm 8:56 pm
Here is an interesting thought- If Obama was completely Caucasian, would all African Americans vote for him anyways?!! Probably NOT- and he would not be in the delegate lead. Thus, Obama is running a campaign on race, as opposed to policy and or experience. Just the hard to swallow facts.
Posted by: Spin This | March 10, 2008, 8:57 pm 8:57 pm
Hillary is merely a celebrity, not an actual expert on anything, not unlike Brittney Spears. Like, omigod, let’s elect Brittney, she’s so EXPERIENCED!
Posted by: bob | March 10, 2008, 8:59 pm 8:59 pm
Not only Hillary likes to lie and spin, so so her supporters in this thread.
Let’s visit realclearpolitics to get to the actual numbers; the current national averages, the poll of polls:
McCain – Obama: Obama wins + 5 %
McCain – Clinton: Clinton wins + 2 %
(so, good news for all Democrats, and Obama in the lead)
Posted by: Greg | March 10, 2008, 9:02 pm 9:02 pm
Does anyone think that Hillary would be pushing for the votes in Florida and Michigan if the outcome would benefit Obama? Lets talk about how the democratic party was disenfranchised in Texas and especially Ohio. Ohio has 26 counties of which 8 were democratic. Obama won 5. In counties with overwhelming republican registration Hillary won by over 200% of the democratic registrations. At the encouragement of right wing talk show host it was suggested that republican vote for Hillary to both force a brokered convention and or a Hillary nomination in which they feel McCain can beat. They are not at all confident that McCain can beat Obama.
Posted by: MJJP | March 10, 2008, 9:04 pm 9:04 pm
Hillary is the one that can’t run a campaign properly. What’s all that experience for counting for now? She voted to go to war. I knew it was a bad idea based on the pretext that we don’t want two wars going on at once; where was the experience then?
And I’m not sure ALL black people voted for Obama. Let the media boil us down to our race, ethnicity and gender. They don’t need any help with it.
Hillary needs to decided what she’s about because she’s slightly schizophrenic with the message lately.
Hillary is not a uniter. She’s a fighter, but no way does someone as polarizing as her UNITE. Wake up people!
Posted by: Mike | March 10, 2008, 9:06 pm 9:06 pm
“obama is finally letting it show how divisive he is, not putting the interests of the Democratic Party before his own selfish, egotistical power-hunger.”
Uh, he’s in the lead. He’s not throwing insults and innuendo at the other side to the detriment of the party. He’s not the one giving line the Republicans can use this fall.
I think you got it backwards, Russel
Posted by: EdStone | March 10, 2008, 9:08 pm 9:08 pm
Obama supporters – please spit out the sour grapes you’ve been chewing on since Hillary kicked a@@ in OH and TX last week.
Obama outspent her 2 to 1 in both states and he campaigned hard to win them – BUT Hillary won!!!
Posted by: csh | March 10, 2008, 9:08 pm 9:08 pm
I like the old soft shoe; a nice dance. But I do not like a candidate who dances around the facts and the truth and is as behaving like somebody as soft as an old shoe.
Hillary needs our compassion. Obama needs our votes.
Posted by: Richard McDonough | March 10, 2008, 9:08 pm 9:08 pm
Imagine this:
If Barack were Hillary, and he had spent as much time as she has in national politics (over 20 years), even that he had been “First man,” and it was known that he and his wife consulted each other often, and that he had done a lot of work in her administration, and that administration was one of the most successful we have ever had. Add to that, all his experience since, being a successful Senator for 6 years, easily winning re-election.
Now he’s in a campaign race with a young eloquent white woman who’s only been in the national senate for 3 years, and yet this white woman and her campaign are dismissing him and all of his experience and qualifications?
Can you imagine how outraged people would be?
And if his campaign raised any questions about her qualifications to be president is an attack? No, these are very legitimate, important questions.
Imagine if the roles were reversed.
Posted by: Lauren | March 10, 2008, 9:09 pm 9:09 pm
Jake:
Thanks for pointing this all out. We appreciate your honest viewpoint.
What I want to know is where the hell is John Edwards?
Posted by: dennis | March 10, 2008, 9:09 pm 9:09 pm
Greg- If Obama were white- he wouldn’t have won in a landslide, he wouldn’t be winning at all. Take away all of Obama’s black voters and he is lost without them. He can not win without the African American vote. If Obama ever loses the African American vote- he loses.
Posted by: Spinning | March 10, 2008, 9:11 pm 9:11 pm
hillary’s desperation grows moreso by the seconds. this obama as second seat stuff is to take some of his thunder away from him wont work..as part of the old saying goes you cant fool all the people all the time…clintons
Posted by: cleantone | March 10, 2008, 9:13 pm 9:13 pm
If Hillary steals this nomination by bullying and intimidation I hope Obama runs as an independent and I —A life long democrat who has never voted for an independent will support him, work for him and leave my party.
Everyone including Hillary agreed to the rules. Is this how she will deal with other countries? Whoops, we just decided to do it different, even though we agreed to it! Take it because I’m HNC.
Posted by: Bonnie Lyon | March 10, 2008, 9:15 pm 9:15 pm
The Clintons must have something on Edwards.
Posted by: sue | March 10, 2008, 9:15 pm 9:15 pm
For all of those out there who complain about the Clintons during this election cycle. I did not hear these voices coming from you in 2000 or 2004. I remember in 04 when Kerry who is now backing Obama made a telephone call to none other that that evil Bill Clinton who had just arrived home from open heart surgery. He said that they were having real trouble in PA and he feared that he might lose there especially since there did not seem to be much excitment in the black community about him. He went on to plead for him to come to a Philly rally that they were organizing and without him he would lose PA. Against his doctors advise that to do so would jeopardize his recovery he said he could not let John or the party down. So he went to the rally which drew thousands to the streets of Philly. His face was thin and drawn his shirt collar was lose around his neck, and he was obviously weak. Yet he rose to his feet and with a weak voice yet a strong heart praised the virtues of John Kerry and sang his praises. Yes John Kerry won PA and Bill Clinton was insturmental in that victory. Now he smears and dismises him and questions his character. I don’t remember any such misgivings in 04 but then again, today he does not need his help! For those of us who still hold the Clinton’s in high regard we can never forgive him for this!
Posted by: russell | March 10, 2008, 9:18 pm 9:18 pm
Oh beautiful. For once someone asks her to reconcile one of her obvious contradictions, and she pretends she never suggested a joint ticket. So typical.
Mr. Tapper: May I point out some other inconsistencies that it might be interesting to ask her about? Here goes:
1. Senator Clinton says she’s ‘the only one with a real plan for managing the economy’ (Washington Post, Feb 20). But this claim comes from the candidate who – in January, at the very beginning of primary season – had already mismanaged her finances to the point that she had to loan five million dollars to her own campaign. Does it make sense to think she can manage our nation’s budget deficit?
2. Senator Clinton says she’s ‘the only one with a real plan [. . .] for reining in the special interests’ (Washington Post, Feb 20). But Senator Clinton accepts money from lobbyists and PACs. Does it make sense to think she’ll suddenly change her ways and start standing up to special interests if she’s elected president? If we want to rein in the special interests, shouldn’t we vote for the candidate who isn’t being paid by them?
3. In her ‘3 a.m.’ advertisement, Senator Clinton tells us that we should vote for ‘someone who already knows the world’s leaders.’ This claim comes from the candidate who couldn’t properly name the new president of Russia. When told Dmitri Medvedev’s name, she laughed and said: ‘Whatever.’ If she can’t remember the name of the newly-elected president of Russia, how can she pretend that she knows the world’s leaders? And in January she joked that President Putin ‘doesn’t have a soul’ (New York Times, Feb 15). Are such statements appropriate for a future commander-in-chief who will need to work with foreign heads of state?
4. Hillary Clinton has spent a lot of time reminding us of her thirty-five years of experience. But let’s review. She began her first elected post in 2001 and has served as a senator for seven years. Barack Obama began his first elected post in 1997 and has served as a senator for eleven years, at BOTH the state AND federal level. True, Senator Clinton was first lady for many years, but should being married to a politician count as political experience? Would you let your surgeon’s spouse perform an operation on you?
OK, forgive me for going on so long, it’s just that I’m excited to finally find a journalist who uses his critical thinking skills and expects candidates’ positions to have some sort of internal consistency. You go, Mr. Tapper.
Posted by: fjfjdvdv | March 10, 2008, 9:18 pm 9:18 pm
I like them both, but he is being arrogant with less experience; this is a serious job folks. Why would he balk at being vice president. This is an important job. He is going to keep talking and neither he nor Hilllary will get anything and we’ll be back int this mess in 8 years.
Posted by: Olisa | March 10, 2008, 9:20 pm 9:20 pm
Once again, Lauren,
You present the reverse-discrimination suggestion in a setting that elevates the argument to thoughtful consideration.
Posted by: ken | March 10, 2008, 9:20 pm 9:20 pm
You Obama fans are not going to steal the nomination from most Democrats who, if you count Florida, and more, actually want our truly most qualified candidate, Hillary.
Hillary is trying to offer a solution where you can have both, and Barack can get more of the experience he needs.
Hillary is the one offering real hope, change and unity.
You all are being exremely hypocritical and rejecting it at this time.
Hillary for the economy!
Posted by: Lauren | March 10, 2008, 9:21 pm 9:21 pm
ME- Hillary was championing child care reform in Arkansas while Obama was in diapers. Hillary bravely stood in front of communist Beijing China’s leaders and delivered a speech promoting women’s rights. You can try and say Hillary has no experience, but the facts are she has stood up and spoken for those who had no voice. She has done, when others just talk about doing. She has been working, while other just sit in chat rooms and complain about her.
Posted by: Still Spinning | March 10, 2008, 9:24 pm 9:24 pm
She wasn’t the first one to suggest the “dream ticket,” it was brought up in the debates.
It appeals to a lot of Democrats, who aren’t Barack extremists.
Thanks, ken
Posted by: Lauren | March 10, 2008, 9:25 pm 9:25 pm
All the indicators tell us today that Mississippi will stick a fork in Hillary Clinton.
And by the way, this last so called ‘bad week’ for Obama gained him 7 delegates more (incl. supers) than Clinton. Yes, he sure is an amazing candidate. And I didn’t even count the pledged delegates he gains form the now final and definitive results in California.
No, our new President will NEVER put a Clinton on the ticket and so, thanks to a young black senator of Illinois, America will finally be able to see the Clintons out. Bye bye!
The Clinton Machine is kaputt, done, rust. Now let’s find some museum for it, somewhere in an Arkansas outskirt.
Posted by: Mississippi | March 10, 2008, 9:29 pm 9:29 pm
Hillary has some serious problems. She just lost another 2 states. There are so many democrates that won’t vote for her because of her honesty problems, and half truths. She is even having legal problems in california right now. How will she persuade a democrate like me to vote her. Many democrats will flock to McCain before voting for her. We need a leader not another person who claims her presidential experience is sleeping with the president. Obama is the only chance we have to beat McCain. The general poles show that. She looses easily. No experience, No honesty, No majority support = No president and that spells Hillary. OBAMA is more presidential material, you can see it in him and he has more experience as an elected official. It will be OBAMA
Posted by: James | March 10, 2008, 9:29 pm 9:29 pm
Mississippi: How’s it look for Obama in Pa,WV,KY and beyond?
Posted by: russell | March 10, 2008, 9:32 pm 9:32 pm
“Here is an interesting thought- If Obama was completely Caucasian, would all African Americans vote for him anyways?!! Probably NOT- and he would not be in the delegate lead. Thus, Obama is running a campaign on race, as opposed to policy and or experience. Just the hard to swallow facts.”
Was there a fact in there? I see a statement beginning with “if” and one with “probably.” but those would be hypotheticals…
Posted by: PJ | March 10, 2008, 9:40 pm 9:40 pm
Bill’s administration was the most accomplished and successful administration we have ever had.
Hillary is our most qualified candidate.
More Democrats know the truth.
If you count Florida, and you hear about all the Hillary supporters who were bullied in the caucus states – and you look at the core democratic polls – it shows that more people know Hillary is most qualified and want Hillary.
Hillary is a an incredibly intelligent, competent, dedicated, hard-working woman. She knows policy inside and out.
Polls released this morning show Hillary is beating McCain, and Barack is trailing him.
Barack could never beat McCain.
After the Republicans get done with him, he will lose much of what credibility he now has.
He doesn’t have enough proof of what he says.
Hillary will be better able to beat McCain with the swing voters because she is smarter on security and smarter on the economy.
She excelled in the debates. She is an expert on policy, and getting things done.
Hillary for the economy!
Posted by: Lauren | March 10, 2008, 9:48 pm 9:48 pm
Someone here brought the Rezko trial up again. Here’s how Fox News informs the readers of their site about it… straight talk!:
Q: Why is Rezko on trial?
A: Prosecutors allege he tried to shake down companies seeking contracts from Illinois regulatory boards for campaign contributions and payoffs. They say he used his influence with Gov. Rod Blagojevich to get people appointed to the boards and then threatened to have them block contracts unless the companies paid millions of dollars in kickbacks.
Q: What does that have to do with Obama?
A: Nothing. No one has alleged that Obama has anything to do with the charges against Rezko, nor has Obama been charged with any wrongdoing. Obama has donated to charity the money that Rezko donated to his campaigns, as well as money from other Rezko friends and partners, a total of $150,000.
Posted by: Limbo | March 10, 2008, 10:02 pm 10:02 pm
You have to understand about Florida and Michigan, no one had a chance to campaign there. Obama’s name wasn’t on the polls. Edwards’ name wasn’t on the polls. Its unfair to count the delegates when nobody campaigned. Of course Clinton won those states. She was the clear front-runner. Theres no way you can count delegates in a state that voted if the candidates didn’t have a chance to properly campaign for the contest. Its completely unfair and that’s it.
Once they get done leaking all of Clinton’s baggage, she will have lost ALL of her credibility. so hey believe the hype. And if Obama couldn’t get core democrats, why did he win Wisconsin. Hmmm. Good question huh. And republicas and independents were going for Obama even before McCain was the front runner. This was before Iowa. Point blank.. Hillary doesn’t get independents. McCain and Obama do. Now who do you think is going to tip this election??
Posted by: Toni | March 10, 2008, 10:08 pm 10:08 pm
“Hillary is a an incredibly intelligent, competent, dedicated, hard-working woman. She knows policy inside and out.”
Huh?
An even more intelligent woman just told the whole wide world that she is “a monster”.
Confusing times.
Posted by: Lizzie | March 10, 2008, 10:14 pm 10:14 pm
Obama fans prepare yourself for the painful, sad truth:
The Republicans are researching Obama and Rezko like there’s no tomorrow.
But here is the biggest problem so far:
Barack will not be able to run on his ‘judgement,’ because he took a favors from Rezko and had him help him buy his house, when everyone knew Rezko was under investigation for fraud, extortion, and money laundering, and more.
That is a proven fact – that the Chicago press has been covering.
And you can bet that the Republicans will have attack ads about that and Barack’s judgement.
And that combined with the way they will say he is an ‘inexperienced anti-war liberal’ with very little national experience or record – he will never be able to beat McCain with the swing voters.
It is the painful truth that you need to begin to consider now – because I have watched what happens in these elections very closely many times – I know how the Republicans work – there are those who love to try and destroy Democrats. They will be scared of Barack and what he might do, and they will want to win. There will be 527 ads not associated with, or condoned by McCain.
Posted by: Lauren | March 10, 2008, 10:17 pm 10:17 pm
Well at least we know if she does win the nomination we won’t have to put up with Obama
Posted by: Bishop | March 10, 2008, 10:18 pm 10:18 pm
Barack’s name was on the ballot in Florida – I think his campaign may have even run some tv ads there(?) when Hillary’s did not.
She won Florida by a landslide, because the people and the elders know what’s what – yo. She got more votes than even all of the Republicans, combined.
The people and the elders know the truth – who is more qualified, how successful Bill’s administraion was.
Hillary for the economy!
Posted by: Lauren | March 10, 2008, 10:26 pm 10:26 pm
Lauren, you’re wrong. Why would you, if you’re a democrat, suggest wrongdoings by Obama whereas FOX NEWS (as quoted below) of all the MSM does the straight talk about the case? That’s pretty bizarre, isn’t it?
What could McCain do with this non-scandal? Nothing. Not only because there is no scandal, but because even if there WAS it could only be peanuts in comparion to the famous Keating Five scandal he was involved in. And there’s more, on McCain’s CV .He will certainly not invite Obama (by teasing on Rezko) to refocus on McCain’s investigated and proven wrongdoings in the past and – if we believe let’s say only 30% of the recent NYT story – on his quite dubious deals with numerous lobbyists in the present.
Obama is clearly the cleanest candidate out there, though nobody in politics comes without some stain (I’m not refering to Clinton-Lewinsky), and the strange thing is that people seem to hate him for that. Well, it tells certainly a lot about those people.
Posted by: Limbo | March 10, 2008, 10:31 pm 10:31 pm
Power is definitely not more intelligent – if she was, she wouldn’t have made such a low hypocritical comment. She ruined much of her own career and credibility by doing something so disgraceful. She will never be as respected around the world again. What you say about other people reveals more about yourself and how low you can go than about the other person. Could you imagine how people would be flipping out if someone from the Hillary campaign called Barack a monster? They have only raised important, legitimate questions, about hypocrisy and qualifications. She is just a specialist. I have heard her many times.
Posted by: Lauren | March 10, 2008, 10:35 pm 10:35 pm
Clinton would bring the continuation of the Bush/Clinton scandals,secrets, war mongering, division and stealing elections. She heads the list of Judicial Watch’s 2007 Most Corrupt Politicians. She took more special interest money from special interests than any other candidate.
Hillary even lied about Ohio: JFK lost the Ohio primary in 1960 to go on to win the election.
Posted by: Lola | March 10, 2008, 10:38 pm 10:38 pm
I am not wrong, I have already heard Republican pundits talk about it on the McGloughlin Group show – there are people researching, and there are all these alleged connections between Rezko and some Muslim extremist or something -they will play on people’s fears.
The are researching it – and it is proven that he had Rezko help with a land deal to buy his house. It wasn’t illegal – but it shows really bad judgement because Rezko it was when everyone knew Rezko was under investigation for fraud, extortion, money laundering, etc.
The Republicans will use this – and you will see your dreams come crashing down.
I have seen this happen before – we have lost too many elections because of what the Republicans will do.
The Clintons have been very kind and polite compared to what the Republicans will do. Mark my words.
Posted by: Lauren | March 10, 2008, 10:44 pm 10:44 pm
To get back on topic I just reread Jake post above.
Hillary Clinton might be one of the greatest spinners and liars in the history of American politics.
As a young lawyer she learned the trade I guess by her featherlight involvement in the Watergate investigation (which by the way lead to a formal negative advice on her capabilities).
So Nixon might have been an inspiration, though reading Hillary’s thesis, which celebrates socialist power tactics, is highly informative as well. But man, is she doing a job as a spinner!
And no shame! Amazing.
Posted by: Druid | March 10, 2008, 10:47 pm 10:47 pm
Meixner,
What I said was what I heard reported on a number of major news networks. Thanks for your numbers – I will have to look at some from a number of sources too.
For Harriet:
“By the end of the Clinton presidency, the numbers were uniformly impressive. Besides the record-high surpluses and the record-low poverty rates, the economy could boast the longest economic expansion in history; the lowest unemployment since the early 1970s; and the lowest poverty rates for single mothers, black Americans, and the aged. Real wages, after declining over the course of the Reagan and Bush years, rose under Clinton. To be sure, the gap between the very rich and everyone else widened—as it has continued to do since—but gains for the rich, for once, didn’t leave behind the poor and lower middle class.”
From “Memo to Obama fans: Clintonism was a success.” By David Greenberg, Rutger’s University Professor of History and Media, for Slate Magazine.
http://slate.com/id/2183941/
Posted by: Lauren | March 10, 2008, 11:34 pm 11:34 pm
It’s her M.O. Tell a story, spread it through others and then deny it herself.
She is soo good at it.
Problem: she is transparent.
Second Problem: We aren’t stupid.
Thank you ABC for exposing this.
Posted by: Priya | March 10, 2008, 11:36 pm 11:36 pm
Again I will repeat the truth:
Hillary did not come up with the idea of the dream ticket. A professor came up with it. And it was brought up at the debates first.
Many Democrats in the party who are trying to resolve the division of the party, like the idea, and once again – the Clintons are trying to provide solutions.
Many democrats who truly believe in hope, change, and unity – like the idea.
Many Superdelegates think it would be a good idea.
Posted by: Lauren | March 10, 2008, 11:40 pm 11:40 pm
Harriet -
Your priorities could not be more messed up.
You are just showing how shallow and superficial you can be, and how you don’t truly care about other people or anything that truly matters to the majority of the people of this country.
Posted by: Lauren | March 10, 2008, 11:45 pm 11:45 pm
Lauren, Hillary may have an upswing in cross-over voters for a simple reason: Texas has an open primary system – Republicans can vote in either primary -regardless of party affiliation. Rush Limbaugh has “endorsed” Hillary and encouraged his enormous following to vote for her in the primaries. Bill actually went on the Limbaugh show last week, in a shameless pitch for his wife. Mississippi also has an open system, so I imagine that Rush voters will cross over for Hillary there as well. So let’s hand it to the Clintons again – they will do absolutely anything to win. What’s next? She has Ann Coulter’s endorsement, Rush Limbaugh’s endorsement, Bill Cunningham’s endorsement … who is next?
Posted by: Mara | March 10, 2008, 11:57 pm 11:57 pm
“We do not believe that Sen. Obama has passed the commander in chief test. But there is a long way between now and Denver.” Howard Wolfson 3/10/08 (yes, this is on the same day that Bill was pitching Obama for VP and Hillary was saying… what?
Posted by: Mara | March 11, 2008, 12:00 am 12:00 am
The way Democrats campaign against each other is like a sports match.
The Republicans don’t play by any rules.
Barack’s record and qualifications are not tough.
If he is the nominee, you will see… and we will lose, again.
Posted by: Lauren | March 11, 2008, 12:16 am 12:16 am
Why is that bizarre?
Whatever the answer is, she can’t say it because the stupid media will take hold of it and run it so far in the most skewed directions, you’ll forget the original question. They take all information and spin it all for the sake of self-advancement. It’s completely unfair and awful.
Furthermore, this question has been asked over and over again – LET IT GO. It’s not interesting. We need a nominee first. And it better be Hillary.
Posted by: Brooke | March 11, 2008, 12:18 am 12:18 am
Does it bother you that Barack had Rezko do him the favor of helping him buy his house when it was widely known that he was under investigation for fraud, extortion, and money laundering?
Because if it doesn’t now, it will when the Republicans get through with him.
The Clintons have never been found guilty of any wrongdoing.
Hillary is our most qualified, competent candidate.
Barack won’t be able to beat McCain.
He doesn’t have enough qualifications at this time, people will want more proof, not just words.
I’ve said it all here before today – I have to go.
If you don’t believe me, we will see how reality plays out.
Goodnight ~
Posted by: Lauren | March 11, 2008, 12:27 am 12:27 am
Lauren –
Almost forgot, Bill Clinton was also not found guilty on sexual harassment charges: he settled out of court for $850,000 before the case could go to trial on appeal.
So again, you’re absolutely right that the Clinton’s haven’t been convicted on any charges. But they sure have been indicted a lot.
By comparison, Senator Obama does not seem to have been charged with any crimes at all.
Posted by: fjfjdvdv | March 11, 2008, 12:48 am 12:48 am
Oh, I suppose it is a bit of spin to pull back from her suggesting Barack could be her vice presidential pick. So what? Obama spins all sorts of things.
He spins the fact that he hasn’t won a single major state. He spins his (former) campaign advisor’s assertion that his promise to remove troops from Iraq within a year is a “best case scenario.” He spins the memo that proves his campaign told the Canadian government that his threatened renegotiation of NAFTA is “political posturing.” He spins the fact that, if it weren’t for the unfair caucus process that favors his young supporters and disenfranchises the elderly, the disabled, and our troops overseas, he likely wouldn’t have a lead of any kind. Spin, spin, spin.
Obama keeps saying that the superdelegates have an ethical obligation to support the candidate the voters have chosen. Okay, fine.
So I just have to ask: When all is said and done, if Hillary has overtaken him in the popular vote, but he’s still ahead in delegates, how will he spin it to say that the superdelegates voting for him is the will of the people?
Do you really think the superdelegates are going to make Hillary the next Al Gore — winner of the popular vote, but still doesn’t get the slot?
We’re not there yet, but, according to Real Clear Politics, she’s only 2% behind Obama in the popular vote (not counting Florida or Michigan). If there’s a do-over in those two states, which is looking increasingly likely, who knows what will happen?
And don’t forget — the nearly 100% Hispanic Puerto Rico holds the last contest, and they have more delgates than Illinois did.
Posted by: Brian W. | March 11, 2008, 12:55 am 12:55 am
Hillary is right. This story was started by the media (Caferty, CNN). When she was asked about it she said… it could be where we are heading. In response, Obama gave us his angry face (does he ever look happy?) and told everybody he has other plans. How is he going to get the 2025 delegates? Will Teddy fix that?
Posted by: Andy | March 11, 2008, 1:24 am 1:24 am
Andy,
How’s he going to get the 2025 delegates?
I suspect he’ll just keep winning primaries and caucuses while convincing superdelegates to endorse him. Seems to have worked so far.
Posted by: fjfjdvdv | March 11, 2008, 1:28 am 1:28 am
Can someone explain how Hillary is going to be good for the economy? I’ve heard about the very questionable plan of giving every American baby $5000 at birth (GI BIll for Juno). Her 5-year mortgage freeze has been widely panned by economists (with the exception of Krugman of course, who can’t bear to discuss it yet). What’s left? There’s clean energy, but I’ve been hearing about the power of windmills since Jerry Brown was in California. What’s left?
Posted by: Mara | March 11, 2008, 1:48 am 1:48 am
Hillary said that while many likes this idea, but she “needs your vote first”.
Obama has failed spectacularly to close the deal given all the big MO and $ that his campaign has been touting. Obama should listen to the voters! They are screaming, we are not ready for Obama! If he is that powerful a candidate then he should have knocked out down and win all the big states! Caucus are un-democratic and do not exist in the general election!
Posted by: vote4thebest, Morgan Hill/USA | March 11, 2008, 2:42 am 2:42 am
Vote4TheBest,
Let’s review. Senator Obama has won more votes, more delegates, and more states than any of the democratic candidates who entered this race last year. And your conclusion is that voters “are screaming, we are not ready for Obama!”
Wow. Might I suggest that you get your hearing tested? Because that’s not what I hear American voters screaming.
Posted by: fjfjdvdv | March 11, 2008, 2:48 am 2:48 am
Clinton is trying to fool voters into believing that a vote for her is also a vote for Obama. I wonder how many people will believe that one……… Should be obvious it’s a trick. That’ll turn off people for sure. People don’t like being tricked, makes them feel stupid. Way to go Hillary, make the voters feel that you think they are stupid. It just doesn’t stop with these Clintons does it. I predict Miss. will go 70/30 for Obama. I wish the Clintons would just disappear—go back to Arkansa or Harlem or wherever.
Posted by: jean claude | March 11, 2008, 3:10 am 3:10 am
This is Hillary’s motto: “by any means necessary”. She’ll do whatever it takes to win, and I hope I’m wrong about that. Hillary, just please stop NOW.
Posted by: marco | March 11, 2008, 3:37 am 3:37 am
so i can go to bed…. and leave all this insanity to you nutcases.. can i just say that HILARY IS A LIAR, SHE DOES IT ALL THE TIME.
Now can ONE HRC backer tell me she isn’t? JUST ONE?
Posted by: drzoon | March 11, 2008, 3:42 am 3:42 am
Hillary is not a liar. Barack has been accused of lying and changing positions too. Everyone in politics has to change positions sometimes.
Hillary is our most qualified candidate, and she is a very good woman. She is backed by many excellent people.
She did a lot of work in Bill’s administration was one of the most socio-economically successful we’ve had in history.
Don’t believe the smears and lies.
I lived through the reality of the Clinton and Bush presidencies.
When Bill left office this country was in some of the best shape it ever had been in.
The reason why we are in this bad shape now is BUSH, and Bush policies.
Remember, if you really mean that you want hope, change, and unity – you have to respect other Democrats, and not ‘hate’ and believe lies.
Posted by: Lauren | March 11, 2008, 4:23 am 4:23 am
There are many people in the Democratic party who like the idea of a dream ticket. Hillary was not the one to come
up with the idea.
Barack is the one who is saying anything to win, and trying to smear the Clintons, when they are just raising legitmate and important questions about his record and real qualifications to be President of our country at this time.
Hillary will win the popular vote, and she is trying to present a solution to heal the division of the party.
Hillary is our most qualified candidate.
Posted by: Lauren | March 11, 2008, 4:36 am 4:36 am
2008 the end of clinton machine and
bush family
in WH new breath new generations new hope
new dream new leader
to all voters it is a once in life time chance don’t miss it…….
Barack 2008 12 16 20 24……….3008
Posted by: MAMUTE | March 11, 2008, 8:29 am 8:29 am
Obviously her campaign is built on massive pandering to all sides so much that Hillary has lost track of what her current script is supposed to be. She then uses the psychological projection technique quite common in those who practice denial– she sees you as the confused one, Jake, not herself.
*points finger at head, makes slow deliberate circles with it, points it at Hillary*
Posted by: SE Croft | March 11, 2008, 8:40 am 8:40 am
Why doesn’t anyone ask Wolfson for a list of the qualifications needed to pass the golden threshold for national security. I think this would be handy for this election and all future elections. This information is too important to be kept secret within the Clinton campaign, and we should all know what steps Obama needs to take before he will have crossed that threshold. Because the Clinton camp has made it clear that he may cross it by this summer, it would be good for all of us to know about it so we can keep track of Mr. Obama’s progress.
Posted by: John, Las Vegas, NV | March 11, 2008, 9:11 am 9:11 am
Hillary can’t only hit all the time. Sometime she has to say something, what could be seen as nice by the following democrats. So afterwards she can hit again even harder.
Posted by: maz hess | March 11, 2008, 9:14 am 9:14 am
The Clinton years left us the stock market crash with staggering implications to people of all economic status. It left us with the reality of terrorism which reared its ugly head just a few months into Pres. Bush’s term. It left us split into the current left/right split we “enjoy” today. The Clinton’s (not the current pres.) have lead us into the mess we have today politically. Obama is a breath of fresh air to Democrats as well as some Republicans. That is why Hillary is losing. No other reason. People can see and can remember what happened for 8 years while her husband held the oval office and don’t what it to happen again.
Posted by: texasguy | March 11, 2008, 9:22 am 9:22 am
obama comes across very cocky and arrogant! the presidency is not an entry level position and he should gain experience.
Posted by: elgarbanzo | March 11, 2008, 10:47 am 10:47 am
the american people are not sheep that lets the media lead us over a cliff. we have been lied to, nearly bankrupted,and forgotten by the present administration. we as a united people can and will right the wrongs of this last president. we are a people of intellligence and we need a leader of intelligence, wisdom,strong character,compassion,humility,strenth,straightforward and reliable. we must elect the one who can hit the ground running without on the job training. we can not afford to lose precious time and money on someone, no matter how charismatic he may be,on mistakes due to inexperience. someone who will not let their pride or ego stand in the way of making the right decisions for our people and country. god bless america and americans.
Posted by: ncb | March 11, 2008, 11:01 am 11:01 am
It’s sure nice to know where the people’s tax dollars have been going.
In place of the tax rebate, I think we should all get $4,000 credits to rent ourselves some prostitutes instead.
Posted by: C | March 11, 2008, 11:08 am 11:08 am
I agree with Jay… Typical news day to twist things and try to make Hillary look not good. However–if Democrats do not choose Hillary for their candidate, prepare for McCain to be our next president. And if that happens, I’d love to see Hillary as his running mate. I suspect McCain values her wisdom more than wet-behind-the-ears Obama.
Posted by: Elizabeth | March 11, 2008, 11:54 am 11:54 am
I’m going to call this early stage alzheimers. HRC is losing it. She got caught floating Obama as a possible VP in order to go after his base, but she forgot apparently that she said he wasn’t ready to be President. Based on yoru argument HRC, McCain is the only candidate with the ‘experience’.
Posted by: Louis | March 11, 2008, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm
Don you understand that the media is with-holding HUNDREDS of stories and negative facts about Clinton. Sure they are being negative towards Obama. Because it suits their interests to make this race go on as long as possible. When Obama was getting all the media it was positive media. Now that Hillary has won those other states Obama is getting negative media. Either way they are giving Obama the majority of the media. And Clinton in all of her arrogance doesn’t realize that if she wins the nomination (im talking the day of) 20 negative adds will be released on her almost immediately. The media has saved ALL their ammo on Clinton thus far. And you’re taking the bait. One thing everyone has to realize is that the President doesn’t work all alone. They have a number of educated specialists who assist them in the cabinet. Congress does most of the work and basically the presidents have the right to pass or veto bills (that the cabinet and him/her discuss thoroughly) So I don’t understand why everyone else can’t see that.
Obama has taken the dirt they throw at him. When the media favors Obama, she does whine about it. Lets be real. Obama isn’t whining about the Hillary attacks. But Hillary is saying that she can stand up to republicans when in actuality she was already showing herself falling under pressure. One of the reasons I support Obama is because when he could have been CEO making millions, he decided to help out his community and get people jobs, homes etc. He was in the state legislature for 8 years which means he sees how federal laws effect lives on state level. I don’t think longevity in Wshington should constitute as experience. See everybody knows exactly what experience Obama has. And Clinton was able to get away with saying she is the experience candidate because it really can’t be challenged by Obama that much. But don’t think the Republican machine will not take away everything piece by piece from her “35″ years. McCain will be seen as the experience candidate and her ammo will backfire. You have to really pay attention to how the media is working. They are making Clinton think that she has a chance against McCain now so that voters keep her in the race. They WANT the superdelegates to decide so that this can go to court and ruin the democratic party. They are trying to divide us week by week and we are taking the bait. We are allowing ourselves to bash each other (Hillary and Obama supporters) and are not realizng that we have acommon goal. My goal is to see a democratic white house in January. We need to aim for that, regardless of the candidate. We are only doing the republicans a favor by dividing ourselves behind ONE candidate. We need to realize that members of congress and the cabinet will make most of the decisions. We need to realize that as long as a democrat is in office we can go to bed and not worry about being sick tomorrow because we will have health care under both plans. we can rest easy because troops will be out of Iraq. Please don’t take what im saying for granted. Our lives are worth much more than the 3rd Reich of Bush aka Mr. McCain. Please don’t spite the other candidate. Im not going to spite Hillary so don’t spite Obama.
Posted by: Toni | March 11, 2008, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm
It’s not that Sen. Obama SAYS he’s the front-runner…it’s that ALL the relevant statistics (delegates attained, number of contests won and total votes received)…ALL verify that Sen. Obama is the clear front runner. Now, with Mississippi soon to be added to his ever-increasing string of wins…let’s not forget that Sen. Obama has…….momentum!
Posted by: Pat Monsen | March 11, 2008, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm
DON’T BE DUPED!!!
Large numbers of Republicans have been voting for Barack Obama in the DEMOCRATIC primaries, and caucuses. Because they feel he would be a weaker opponent against John McCain. And because they feel that a Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama ticket would be unbeatable. And also because with a Clinton and Obama ticket you are almost 100% certain to get quality, affordable universal health care very fast.
You see, the medical and insurance industry mostly support the republicans with the money they ripped off from you. And they don’t want you to have quality, affordable universal health care. They want to be able to continue to rip you off, and kill you and your children by continuing to deny you life saving medical care. So they can make more profit for them-self.
Hillary Clinton has actually won by much larger margins than the vote totals showed. And lost by much smaller vote margins than the vote totals showed. Her delegate count is actually much higher than it shows. And higher than Obama’s. HILLARY CLINTON IS ALREADY THE TRUE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE!
As much as 30% of Obama’s primary, and caucus votes are Republicans trying to choose the weakest democratic candidate for McCain to run against. These Republicans have been gaming the caucuses where it is easier to vote cheat. This is why Obama has not been able to win the BIG! states primaries. Even with Republican vote cheating help.
If Obama is the democratic nominee for the national election in November he will be slaughtered. Because the vote cheating help will suddenly evaporate. All of this vote fraud and republican manipulation has made Obama falsely look like a much stronger candidate than he really is. YOUNG PEOPLE. DON’T BE DUPED! Think about it. You have the most to lose.
The democratic party needs to fix this outrage. I suggest a Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama ticket now! All democrats need to throw all your support to Hillary Clinton. So you can end this outrage against YOU the voter, and against democracy.
Fortunately the Clinton’s have been able to hold on against this fraudulent outrage with those repeated dramatic comebacks of Hillary Clinton’s. Only the Clinton’s are that resourceful, and strong. Hillary Clinton is your NOMINEE. They are the best I have ever seen.
You should be angry America. “This is not a game” (Hillary Clinton)
Sincerely
jacksmith…
Posted by: jacksmith | March 11, 2008, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm
Did I say it? I didn’t say it. Who said it? No one said anything.
Another day, another Hillary. Who will it be tomorrow? Bitter Hillary, Appeasing Hillary, Sarcastic Hillary, Teary Hillary, Laughing Hillary, Scary Hillary, Boxing Hillary, Honored Hillary, Commander Hillary, Experienced Hillary, Secretive Hillary, Inevitable Hillary, or Flat Out Crazy Hillary?
I can’t wait for the day when we have just one: Private Citizen Hillary.
Posted by: David | March 11, 2008, 6:20 pm 6:20 pm
Clinton has struggled to make an effective and coherent campaign. I can understand why. Her opponent, Obama, doesn’t stand for anything. He stands for everything – “unity” – and “change” – and other magical things. The problem is that Obama doesn’t stand for anything concrete. He doesn’t stand for universal healthcare. In fact, he aggressively opposes universal healthcare, and he even uses Republican-style attacks to demonize the fundamental idea that Clinton and Edwards supported, which is that all people should be mandated to have healthcare access. Obama doesn’t stand for anything. He stands for himself and his lovely personality. He has successfuly turned American politics, once again, into American Idol. He will win and the tradition of voting for shallow personality politics wins again!
Posted by: mark mathews | March 11, 2008, 6:24 pm 6:24 pm
Mark Mathews:
Oh, that’s just precious.
Clinton’s campaign is ineffective and incoherent, but somehow it is Senator Obama’s fault. More blame and excuses, just like we see from Clinton every time things don’t go her way.
Your argument is that Clinton can’t figure out what Obama stands for, so she can’t figure out what to attack, and therefore she can’t campaign. Has it ever occurred to you that campaigning for president should be more than attacking your rivals? Perhaps your candidate should try talking about herself and her own ideas from time to time – every time I see her, she’s railing against Obama. A trifle obsessive, if you ask me.
(And as for Clinton’s universal healthcare plan, while she’s at it I think she should fix the homelessness problem by mandating that all homeless people buy a house. I can’t believe that Democrats are actually considering a candidate so out of touch with the lower classes that she thinks you can just pass a law forcing everyone to buy medical insurance and *poof*, the problem will be solved.)
Posted by: fjfjdvdv | March 12, 2008, 12:07 am 12:07 am
Hillary should release her full tax returns and her white house schedules
Posted by: Raymond Micheals | March 12, 2008, 6:14 am 6:14 am