Clinton Wins, Obama’s Still Ahead; What’s Next?

Down to a backroom deal. This is vintage Clinton. Expect the worst, because that’s all these people know.

Down to a backroom deal. This is vintage Clinton. Expect the worst, because that’s all these people know.

Thanks to Hillary, it’s President McCain–and four more years of the Bush White House.

I was just looking at the numbers like she took a BIG lead, NO!!!!! the most was 10 to his 22 in Vermont.She is saying join forces with her at the top.NO WAY I for one would vote REP…People they will do anything to get this White House again…You triple numbers white males you,play right into hers hands she loves you.Us so to say middle people HUH>>>> don’t give a crap about us or the people that voted for her in Texas wait until she sends your families back to Mexico,you are stupid and will believe anything this jerk.

Voted for Hillary yesterday as a registered long time Rep. Held nose but did it for the Dem. Party to have fun with. YeeHaaa go Hillary and Win all you can! Hope to see ya cry in NOv

The New Messiah’s ivory tower is leaning a little bit after yesterday, and we’re starting to see some cracks in it. The race and gender cards are worn out from too much use, and for a while it appeared the “charisma card” would trump all others. But maybe it’s weakening, too! At SOME point, Hillary and Barack will realize that if they team-up, the combination would be unbeatable, especially by Old Man McCain, who doesn’t even have support of all Republicans.

Put Hillary any place near or on the ticket and WE can surely snuff that foul odor away from the 1600. Obama/Hillary or Hillary/Obama either way the stench is too ofensive. Should’ve stuck with the white guy with good hair, just a suggestion. Lookin forward to a good crying

Now that we know the disgust Obama and his wife have for this country, we need to make sure he never occupies the Oval office.

Will all the crazies who dumped Clinton for Obama, now dump Obama for Clinton? Reality is so much better than anything Hollywood could write.

2009 me thinks Annie was from the Longhorn state and indeed was the funniest thing outta Tx in a long time. Luvin that Maxine too though, such fun those Dems characters…really like the Rangle too

The people have spoken.
Now, Lawyers and Superdelegates will make the real decision.

For anyone interested in seeing how the “electability” picture looks between Obama and Clinton, I have been keeping track of which states I predict will be swing states (less than 5% difference in 2004 and/or less than 30% Bush approval rating). I also include the Red and Blue states in my counting based on voter turnout. I am not including McCain numbers since I knew he would get their nom. Here is what the numbers look like so far:
For states that have held primaries/caucuses for both parties so far:
Red States in 2004 with higher Dem turnouts account for 78 electors. 52 Clinton, 26 Obama
Blue States in 2004 with higher Dem turnouts account for 142 electors. 102 Clinton, 40 Obama
Blue Battleground States in 2004 with Higher Dem turnouts account for 74 electors. 36 Clinton, 38 Obama
Red Battleground States in 2004 with Higher Dem turnouts account for 102 electors. 62 Clinton, 40 Obama
Electoral totals so far: 252 Clinton, 144 Obama
Clinton definitely appears more electable considering the fact only 270 electors are needed to win in November and there are only 10 states left in the primary contest. She is onto something here… if she can pull out a win and unify the party with the right ticket… I think she will beat McCain.

Big Mac – The DNC has dropped the number to 2024 due to various moves (death of Lantos, Curtis move to FL).
Betty – Obama stills holds the best cards, don’t give up on him, yet. Keep watching and vote your hopes not your fears. The easiest way to swing Evangelicals, Neo-Cons and Indys to McCain is to put the name Clinton on the Dem ticket. And that hurts down-ticket races as well. Plus a McCain victory could swing Lieberman to caucus with the Repubs. That’s a lot losses all around.

With any luck at all, this will wind up fracturing the Democratic party. The Party has been unstable for years….rich liberals providing the money while poor blacks provided the votes. These weren’t inherently compatible constituencies. But it got by, with the blacks being tossed the occasional political bone (in fact, the GOP has put more blacks in true positions of power) a fair amount of race-baiting and class-baiting rhetoric, and some welfare bucks. The blacks got these crumbs, the white liberals got 90% of the black vote, while doing nothing to deserve it.
But it’s put up or shut up time. The Clintons are quite willing to go for the jugular…even if it totally alienates the blacks from the Democratic Party. The Clintons may believe it will be possible to disrespect Obama…go negative like they have, and still have the black people vote in lockstep with the party in the Fall, but they are wrong.
This could be the death of the Democratic Party as a national majority.

Betty, I support Obama, and your theory is intersting, yet I would ask you to look to the trend of the entire 20th Century before I would even hazard saying the Dems will hold the White House for 16 years.
And there is a reason for that.
A good reason.

Let’s do this for the party? All you hear from the Democrats is party, party, party. It is now clear that the “party” is more important than all else. How about doing something for this nation, and the taxpayers that are already over taxed?
For quite sometime, I was simply going to stay home in November. However, I have heard enough, I will vote McCain in November!

Two Words: Tax Returns

Ha ha ha….The massive Republican swing in Ohio to cross over and vote for Clinton, just to throw a massive monkey wrench into the Dem eleciton machine worked to PERFECTION!!!
It’s going to be hilarious to now watch Hillary prove herself unelectable with the dirt that she is going to throw at Obama for the next three months, and, if anything sticks, really put doubt into the massive Obama flock, which will render him unelectable.
I’m a registered Republican, and hundreds of thousands of us here in Ohio crossed over, and voted for Hillary. Her “victory” in Ohio is not a true victory, just us Republicans doing our best to throw a wrench into the Dem system, to perfection, I might add.
This gave Hillary the impetus to do the rest of her dirty work, she’ll lie, cheat, and steal to go against the agreed upon rules for Mich and Fla, she admitted as much this morning on NBC…
I’ve got my popcorn, and can’t wait to watch.
It’s really a shame that Hillary is the way that she is, because a unified Dem ticket behind Obama, right now, would trounce McCain in November…the Dem leaders know this, as do us Republicans, which is why we did waht we did…
Ha!!!

Hillary alluded to a combine ticket on some morning show today but Obama has already dismissed that idea saying its too early for that, so guess he is not interested and wants to fight on for whatever its worth.

BYE BYE Obama…. You are kaput… Outspending HIllary doesn’t work, uh?? Too bad for you!

Yeah Dan -Election tampering , that’s the first idea the Republicans have had in a while that actually worked huh? Really something to be proud of there..if anyone knows how to rig an election it’s you guys.

To Go Hillary: Who do I want sitting across from Putin? Let’s also throw in Ahmadinejad, Musharraf, and Chavez.
Easy answer: McCain!

So far, Mr. Obama can only win in small states which majority is liberal White or independent. Are those voters still support him in General Election? I doubt it. Without winning big states and with the rule of winner take all in General Election, I think his political career will end after November 04 if he wins the nomination for DEM right now. He should drop out the race and supports Hillary today if he wants to be US President sometime in the future. Fighting with Hillary can only do more harm to him and Democrat Party at this moment.

Why do all of these quacks suddenly want to give Hillary the nomination? Because the Republicans gave her Ohio and Texas???
Obama is the ONLY Dem candidate that can win the general election.
Unless, of course, you want 4 more years of scandal, corruption, lies, murders, cover ups, and the like….we’ve been down this road with the Clintons before, have we not?

Let’s see if I have this right. Clinton is behind some 100 or so delegates and she wants to share the ticket with Obama? What unabashed arrogance.

A question that has been bothering me that I haven’t seen brought up is:
Why did all the other candidates respect the DNC’s decision and remove their names from the Michigan ballot…all except Hillary?

Kevin – in case it was not clear, reread the intro paragraph that explains the numbers only apply to: states that have held primaries, states that had more democrats than republican voters, states that had less than 5% difference in party voters last election, and states with lower than 30% approval ratings… the electoral count does not change as the popular vote is cast. It is what it is. The analysis shows exactly what Clinton is looking at, Obama is fearful of, and the SDs are discussing in terms of electability.
Popular votes dont win delegates and it doesnt win elections for President. The Dems have made the mistake of not understanding the electoral picture in the past. Bill Clinton understood it well. Apparently Hillary Clinton does too. Obama might understand it but he has not been able to make a dent in the core voters which are in the battleground states. Many of Obama’s wins are in states the Dems will never carry in the GE. That is what the electoral picture shows.

Go Hillary – yes unfortunately the Obama camp has been misleading the voters by claiming most of his money is from low dollar contributions when in fact only 30% are from the grass roots movement. I am sure much are from the liberal latte but open secrets org website gives the details of campaign fund sources for anyone who really wants the details. What bothers me most about his campaign is the fiction. But I do agree and advocated a Clinton/Obama ticket for some time now because I believe a unity ticket is the winner for the Dems. He needs time to learn more from Clinton and can use his skills as leader of the Senate with her guidance to implement the changes needed.

Can you believe it? She’s actually calling for the “O” to be her VP.. She really is fooled isn’t she?

There is a reason Ohio is a bellweather state and not South Carolina or Vermont

16 years. Wow. by then we’ll have decimated our military, been invaded by foreign nationals, our taxes will be sky high, depressing the economy. Government will be even more massive than ever, with almost everyone dependant upon it for something including healthcare. Wow. We’ll be just like France.
Congratulations Liberals and Democrats, you “Win”, America loses.

This blog is loaded with the disenfranchised ex-Huckabee supporters, with nothing but time on their hands, and nothing better to do than to come out and attack Hillary Clinton. You can recognize them by the emotionally-laden language, facts and logical statements are few and far between. Also, please note that it is the same few people logging comments under multiple names. That being said, I’m all for what Betty says because she’s about the only one on here who is not one of them, and she makes good logical sense. Bye bye.

Wait until the numbers come out for this election in Ohio, and see how many Republicans switched over yesterday….then, come back and apologize….
There are 36 people that work in my place of business, and 20 of us switched parties for the day yesterday.
I know that we weren’t the only ones…

Well, Betty (and WCM by default), we’ll just have to see if your prediction is accurate. if true, it is a sad commentary on our country!
From my perspective, either candidate can beat John McCain. He is vulnerable on a number of points. However, if Clinton and Obama are reduced to having to beat one another up over the next month, that will weaken our effort in the general election, no matter which candidate prevails. Hillary has certainly shown what she’s capable of, against a candidate who has tried to take the high road. But Barack cannot let her attacks go on for another month without beginning to respond in kind. Hope she’s ready for the fallout!

DC this is not normal years and YES WE CAN keep your Hillary in if we WANT TO and did! Get off your Whitewater Condo Roof.. it never existed.

Logger – the RNC tactic of divide and conquer to pull disgruntled Dems into the GE for McCain may work if the Dems do not unite behind their nominee. Pathetic that the RNC cannot actually nominate a candidate and have him/her compete based on qualificatiions and a legitimate poitical platform. LOL
But the topic is about the cross over voting impacts. Statistically this has been analyzed and deemed insignificant because the real electorate turnout negated it.

DC, Mac and Nov aren’t the issues now are they? We just couldn’t let poor Hillary struggle with the obvious Delagate Count anymore…We had to point it out to her and apparently to you for you can’t understand it can you? We were facing a kool aid kid with massive momentum, who could convince the Upper Arlington liberals to vote em in. We gave her a free pass to go on and continue to be imperialistic. Wake up and see the struggle move on

I reely beleeve dat no person of color can be elected in dis nation dis day, so why don’t misster Obamma qwit rite now annd beecome Hilary’s veepee.
I’m not a Hilary zombie I sware.
Pleeze misster Obamma, stop hurting amrica and joign forsses whis Hilary.
I’m not a Hilary zombie I sware.
Pleeze misster Obamma, stop huriting america and joign forsses whis Hilary.
I’m not a Hilary zombie I sware.

My first order of business this morning was to contribute (again) to the Obama camp and I did.
The DNC elders know that Hillary is poison and they will not allow her to win. Obama will still be ahead (all the pundits think so) come convention time and they will cast for him. I also suspect that Edwards will cast his 26 to Obama as a sign he is interested in being the Veep. There is too much bad blood for a Obama/Clinton ticket or vice versa. I suspect tomorrow or the day after, Obama will announce how much they raised in Feb and maybe announce the 50 super delegates that Tom Brokaw talked about to kill her victory parties. I also suspect that the press will start unleashing on her again after a day or two.
The entire world is rooting for Obama as evidenced by calls and emails I got from friends and family in Europe, the Middle East and Africa. People around the world are yearning for peace and they know McCain and Clinton will not bring that about.

Nancy has weighed in and she can’t borrow hers.

The DNP could take away the numbers from Michigan and Florida to lower the bar from 2025 to whatever it would be without them. I am surprised no-one has suggested this, because if they are no longer in the count, that count should have changed.
If Obama were to be declared the winner many of those saying they would never vote for him will go ahead as long as Hillary can exit without rancor. Since she is the one who has been negative and aggressive, she can do it. It gets increasingly harder for Obama’s people, however, to embrace Hillary if she wins because she has been using unpleasant, insulting tactics to erode his standing.
I don’t think either of them are necessarily the best Presidential material. That said, she has no class at all and he is very classy, so from that point of view he would make a better leader. She is a manager not a leader. I think she would make a fantastic VP, actually, but cannot see that happening if he were to come out ahead. Still, you never know.
One thing seem quite possible: if he were to win, she would not exit gracefully (maybe in public but not behind the scenes) and perhaps the Democratic Party would then use the next few years to return more to the left in which case his candidacy, even if he is too damaged to win in November which looks increasingly likely if Clinton keeps up the attacks this way, will have served an admirable purpose.
It is very different when you are getting attacked in a mean way by people in your own party than by the other side. On the other hand, if he can find a way to fight this without getting into the gutter with her, then he will become one of the most formidable candidates in US history.
Whether that has anything to do with being a good President is, again, another matter.

Thank you Hillary!!!! Four more years of Bush/McCain.

If anyone thinks Obama cannot be elected since he is nothing more than an empty suit spouting neat slogans at his pep rallies, as opposed to Hillary’s 20 minute spiels that do not ever answer a question, think again. The fools in Massachusetts elected a governor who spewed nothing but slogans about “change” and spending billions and billions to fix every societal ill in the state. Well, he has accomplished absolutely nothing in his first year except chase more people and businesses out of the state. Obama would be more of the same! Hillary with all of her “experience”?!? What a sad choice – Obama or Hillary or even better a ticket of these two windbags!!!

Well, Dan, so much for the caucus following the will of the people. Which was your super delegate argument before Texas, Ohio, and Rhode Island. Regards to the republicans on this blog, can anyone prove that John McCain is actually alive?

Wow… I didn’t think it was possible but it seems the Democrats have managed to find a way to blow a sure fire victory in November.
The Clinton campaign strategy will backfire on them in the general. IF it is Clinton vs. McCain, He wins on experience, he wins on National Security. Those are her two big arguments and all the republicans will need to do is to point to her many speeches where she advocated the importance of experience, point to the “red phone ad” and ask the question, who would you rather have answering that, Hillary or McCain? The republicans can turn around and use her own words to hang her.
Adding to the democrats problems, three more months of campaigning will exhaust the base financially. All the big donors will be tapped out and the republicans will have an advantage going into the fall. They can spend 3-4 months fund raising.
Then there’s the issue of how Clinton will need to campaign to get the nomination. As evident by Texas, the red phone type ads worked. She’ll continue that style of campaign and probably go more negative leading up to Pennsylvania. This will alienate the Obama supporters that are not die hard democrats. If she goes too negative, black voters will simply stay home in the general.

To me, its a difference between a steady, non-emotional approach to considering each contest, and planning accordingly, versus the drama of their opponents.

Now this is entertainment and no admission fee. I just hope more lib kooks come out of the woodwork to take this to another level.
HC and BO scare the daylights out of me, as they scare any true conservative, but I can’t wait to hold my nose and vote for HC in the NC primary. I never thought I’d ever vote for any Clinton, but this is just too good to pass up.
Hope the “socialist messiah” doesn’t visit Fort Marcy Park anytime soon.

Well, Matt, you seem to have a problem with allowing democrats to have a free vote here in a democratic society. Furthermore, if some democrats do not want to vote for Obama we will somehow tear the party apart, melting the polar ice cap and flooding much of civilization. Now, Matt, I thought that only dictatorships told voters who to vote for, so are you suggesting Obama is a dictator now?

The only thing that will save Dems self destruction is if remaining uncommitted Dems (party leaders or so I am told) and put together some specific groundrules such as
1) Give $1 million to DNC for each week you are in a contested primary. That will prevent both candidates from using all their cash on each other. At the end of the process the winner gets all the cash to run for the General Election (might have to be modified due to Election laws)
2) There will be 3 (or 2 or 5) debates between now and PA primary. One will be on economy, one on foreign affairs. The questions will not just be on why you are different from each other, but also what would your argument be against McCain.
3) The remaining SD’s will vote as a block on certain criteria such as pledged delegates, total number of popular votes, etc. That way everyone knows the rules and when the primaries are over, they are over.
4) Once the rules are set, primaries for FL and MI, rules on negative campaigning then that’s final. You complain about the rules then the block has a right to announce that they will all vote for the other candidate.
5) Other SD’s have the right to sign on to the agreement. The only caveat is that they would have to agree to cast their ballot in accordance to the block’s wishes.
The way to bring peace to the process and unify the party is that if everyone knows the rules that need to be followed.

He’s not ahead when you count Michigan and Florida.
And Obama wants to wave a magic wand and make Florida and Michigan not exist, but they do exist.
They exist in a general election and they will exist at a democratic convention.
Obama is not ahead when you count all the votes.

W~
So which candidate ‘rescue’ our country?

Mr. Happy Man – both Florida and Michigan would have to be done over. Under such a scenario, I’m guessing the vote would be much closer.
Florida is a clear advantage for Clinton, but I’m expecting she wouldn’t win by the margin she did earlier. Michigan may well be Obama territory.
Anyway, I’m guessing she wouldn’t net enough delegates to overcome Obama.
Many of the 11 remaining states are small, but good states for Obama. I think he has a good shot at bringing an even bigger pledged delegate lead into Puerto Rico than he had yesterday morning. But maybe not – Pennsylvania is still out for Clinton. So let’s say his lead is cut down to 140 pledged delegates. And Puerto Rico is winner take all, so let’s give that to Clinton. He still has a lead of 80 or so going into a redo of Florida and Michigan, and that may be Clinton’s best case scenario.

ATTENTION EVERYONE!!!
Martha will not vote for Obama if he is the nominee. Everyone should change their vote and support Hillary because if Martha won’t support Obama, nobody should!

Dogsoldier – they say a week is an eternity in politics. November is eight months away. There’s a lot of time to heal those wounds.
Besides, it will be easy for the DNC and the nominee to argue what happened in Florida was actually the fault of the Republican state government. And that’s true, from what I understand.
Give people a little credit for not holding grudges and maybe even directing their grudges at the right people.

Obama inspires, Clinton mires. Clinton will NOT beat McCain, Obama contrast better with McCain and does better with the Indys needed to win the general. Clinton’s voters will vote for Obama if he’s the dem nominee but it’s not the case if Hillary is, the young voters won’t come out like they did for Barry, the indys and even some bluedogs will flock to McCain.
It’s time to turn the page on the Clintons’ people, there’s a reason Coulter and Limbaugh want Hillary to win the dem nomination and it’s because they know she can’t possibly win the general with such high negatives. Think about it! Limbaugh and Coulter are not ready to give up and get out of Iraq as Hillary promises.

Race isn’t the issue. If Obama were a black woman, I’d consider voting for “her”. If Hillary were a black woman, I’d still vote for her. It’s Obama’s smug attitude and lack of substance, I can’t vote for.

Hillary doesn’t care about the party or the country. She only cares about Hillary.

How many more primaries and delegates would Clinton of won had the media not been shilling for Obama the past couple of months. Now that it is almost impossible for Clinton to get the needed delegates they start focussing on Obama.

Armand I totally agree with you. Had the media been doing their job from the get go we may have had a democrat nominee by now – AND it may not have been either of these two, could have been someone with less negatives and real experience. This is going to be one mess. Both sides think they are right and are going to have a hard time backing the other. I do have to say tho, seems like the Obama supporters want to blame Hillary for everything and say she is stealing this. She’s getting half the votes also, so it can’t be so one sided in that regard.

a dose of reality for the naive obama supporters. talking to your enemies will not solve any problems . talking can’t even get hillary to back off. just dream on. obama not qualified for the job.

You Hillary supporters are bigger conspiracy theorists than right-wing nut jobs.
-It’s the media’s fault
-It’s the right wing’s fault
blah, blah, blah

To: Mr. Barack Obama
I am one of the many who see you as the correct choice for our next President of the United States of America. Continue your good campaign against all the cut throat mud slinging smear tactics of the other candidates. A man of integrity and your profundity of character and vision is what this country needs in spite of itself and
the ignorance of so many in this country. Go Obama Go This country needs the intelligent leadership you could bring to help this country.

ALL THE HOOPLA, Hilliary only gaining about 12 delegates on Obama. The Democratic primary looks like some
Banana republic vote. How confusing,
and how much cronism is designed into
the system? The philosphy of the party
is to confuse the voter, promote class warfare
and then have some rich super delegate
party hacks decide the winner. The party
of the working class? ha

How fast do you think the Obama campaign will implode? The fighting within his campaign has started and it will be interesting to see how the leader will take control (and I don’t mean Michelle).

To all the supporters of Mrs. Clinton, please stop with your complaining about Michigan and Flordia. Our party, stripped those states of their delegates. Our candidates didn’t campaign in those two states. Mr. Obama didn’t even have his name on the Michigan Ballot. The Michigan and Florida Democatic Parties are responsible for this. So, I will ask you now to back Mr. Obama. I have reluctantly switched my support. You talk about the devisiveness caused by the Republicans. Please take a look at the devisiveness you are causing the party.
Christopher

Another thing to note. I don’t know what all the hype about the Tony Rezko is. Yes, it looks like a poor decision for Obama and doesn’t do anything to help his image to be so close to a possible criminal, but there has been no evidence so far proving he was involved in illegal activities. The most damning thing anyone has found are some letters he wrote lobbying for a company owned by Rezko. Just about every politician does this, including John McCain, and unless they can prove Obama somehow took a bribe, nothing will come of it. Look how many Republicans who were connected at the hip to Abramoff are still in office. There’s a chance this scandal could take down Obama but from what I’ve seen so far people are reading way too much into it.

Doesn’t anyone realize (well, i guess a few of you do) that the popular vote won’t mean anything this primary season? you’re staring down a brokered nomination and most likely an overturning of the popular vote and delegate majority – welcome to 4 more years of republican drive-off-the-cliff leadership! At least the Clintons will finish the job of ruining the Democratic party by the end of the summer.
Go Obama 2012! (or 13 – whatever).

Earl,
The Obama camp is very immature and Barack does not have the leadership ability to stop them from imploding. After a little set back yesterday they have started to go negative and you have the Obama lawyer breaking into Clinton phone calls. And it’s only 3:00.

There is no way Clinton can move ahead in delegates. NO WAY. She’s not going to get 59% of the vote in all of the remaining states. It just isn’t going to happen with Obama’s support level. Obama ran a genius campaign and concentrated on the heartland of America to gather delegates from dozens of states while Clinton ignored everyone except the “Big 3″ states. Obama is the true leader and he has my vote.

I also don’t understand why the country wants another Clinton in the White House. Since 1988, we’ve had Bush #1, Bill Clinton for 8 years, Bush #2 for 8 years, and now the country wants ANOTHER Clinton in for 4-8 years? This country is not governed by ruling families!! The Bush/Clinton families have had their chance to shape America and for the most part with the exception of a handful of years, they’ve both failed miserably. It is time to get someone NEW in the White House.

It’s not that I think the Democrats are dumb, it’s that I think the Clintons want the presidency so badly that they will set aside the good of the country for personal gain. And that in itself is enough for you to vote Obama, God. Because FINALLY you have someone to vote for who can get beyond partisan politics, inspire the nation to achieve great things, and, even if he doesn’t have the most experience, can surround himself with like-minded people instead of cronies and hangers-on from administrations past. And on experience, Cheney and others of the current Bush adminstration have life-long experience in government. How well has their “experience” benefitted the country?

Unity has to come from the top down not from the bottom up. Pray for the people that are over you.

What change is Obama exactly talking about? Does his “old politics as usual” include experienced politicians like Kennedy and Kerry? Why do so many people get excited as if they really knew what change Obama is talking about? What is it?

He’s talking about unity. He’s talking about voting for someone who is respectful to others. I am a Republican and do not agree with a lot of his views, but I am willing to take a chance and vote for Obama, because I feel he is a unifier. I”m sick of hearing how Dems are godless because they are for gay marriage and for abortion. I am sick of Reps being labeled at rich, war-mongerers.
I hate those political games and Obama doesn’t play them like Clinton and McCain.
I also can’t support McCain and Clinton because they are so tied to special interests. Everything they do has strings attached to financially benefit themselves or a friend.
I am sick of it. Will Obama really represent change? I don’t know, but I am ready to try it because I refuse to accept the status quo.

Is it possible for the two camps to call it a tie now and then do a runoff – one national primary in one day in June? That gives both a 3-month window to campaign and yet a winner determined before August.

If the elected Super-Deligates vote as their districts have, the two nominees will still need the non-elected Super Deligates who have traditionally just voted during Convention (usually when a nom was already found). What this means is the Democratic Nominee will be elected by group of un-elected officials… how’s that for democracy. (NOTE – when I mean un-elected, I mean that they were never elected in an actual governmental election Rep, Senator, Governor, etc.).

What about Al Gore as a dark horse in Aug? Does he not deserve – albeit unfair to both BO and HC – another shot?

No argument from me on your point on the mortgage crisis… The only point I would make is that the laws are protectionist towards lenders, when SOME laws should deal with predatory lending activity. But i DO agree with that point.
Tax breaks for Big Oil… I’m not sure what you’re getting at there, but my understanding of their purpose is to provide impetus AWAY from oil altogether. When big oil is making obscene profits and the price of gas is through the roof, maybe it’s time to try to direct those profits into research and development into alternative fuels that benefit everyone… I think the point that Obama is trying to make, and I agree with him, that serious change has to happen on every level for the country to really turn itself around…

Obama cheated in the TX caucuses and at polling places in OH. Now there’s a question of did he really win all these cacus primaries fair & square? “Ohio’s Secretary of State, an office held by a Democrat, has rebuked Sen. Barack Obama’s campaign for trying to staff precincts with poll workers who presented insufficient credentials.”
“In Texas, the reports get worse. Obama’s team are evidently copying caucus forms and having their supporters fill them out prior to the 7:15 p.m. deadline when the caucus is called to order. This means the voter wouldn’t have to actually attend the caucus, but instead would simply have the Obama team hand in the caucus forms for the voter, which is clearly against the rules, which are very clear.”

Come on now, we all know Hillary is going to win it. The Clinton’s threw over Gore and Kerry so she could get her chance, does anyone think Obama is more than an irritant. Thing to watch, the judge in the Rezko trial, I’ll bet ties to Clinton. Other thing to watch, will Limbaugh ask repub to vote for Clinton as he did for Texas and Ohio.

Despite all the news that the Clinton camp has a revival and fresh legs, Obama supporters still have much to cheer about. Clinton will not win the nomination and that reason being the numbers. (Not including TX since the caucus is still up in the air and Michigan since Obama was not on the ballot)Obama has won 25 contests vs. Clinton’s 14. Perhaps what is more important is how, 17 of Obama’s wins were by a 20% or greater margin in comparison to Hillary who was only won two contests by 20% or more. If you think the undecided super delegates aren’t looking at that then you are mistaken. You also have to take into consideration the fact that even in the states Obama has lost he generally always wins the dense city districts which are key in an election. By the same token Hillary supporters really do not have much to cheer about. She needed to win BIG in TX and OH and not just get a W in her column. She hardly won big leaving the delegate gap she has with Obama unchanged. Not to mention that as of right now if the TX caucus stays as is and Obama wins it, Obama will end up walking away with more TX delegates than Hillary.

“If Obama Knows what’s good for him he’ll take a post in Hillary’s cabinet. I’d say vp but since he was the frontrunner and his stock is dropping like a knife, I don’t think it would be wise for Bill and Hillary to put him on their ticket. Edwards would be a much better vote since he secures the populist vote.”
Since when is it Bill’s ticket at all? Aren’t we a nation of laws?
“Come on. Who do you want sitting across from Putin? Touchy feely Obama, or “Iron” Hillary. Easy answer. Obama is a great goodwill ambassador but he doesn’t have the 6 years in the Senate, 8 years in the oval office, that Hillary has. Only Hillary can take on the right wing hate machine.”
Once again Hillary was not president Bill was president. Hillary was not in the oval office at all.
Eric,
Why does Obama have your vote? Why do you feel that he is the best person to run this Country? And “Because we need someone different in the White House” is not an answer. Believe it or not, but Bush is not running again. So whoever wins will be different. So please, tell me why you will vote . Actually tell me why i should vote for Obama.
I don’t know why he has Eric’s vote but he has mine because he has similar views as me, Has worked at several level of public service. and he taught constitutional law at the highest level. making him the most competent candidate.
“How many more primaries and delegates would Clinton of won had the media not been shilling for Obama the past couple of months. Now that it is almost impossible for Clinton to get the needed delegates they start focussing on Obama.”
All of the new stories that happen to break one day before the vote were old and widely proven to be inaccurate. coincidence?

The people who talk very highly of obama and negatively about Clinton on tv are very interesting. Do they not understand that obama cannot win? He doesn’t have enough experience, he has lied to the american people about his NAFTA stance while talking to the canadian govt, his campaign bullies the african american superdelegates, he has a long standing relationship with Rescko who is on trial this week, he has been going to a very controversial church who approves of the most bigoted person Farquea (sp?). Do these tv people realize who they are supporting? It is downright scary! Obama attracts wealthy liberals, african americans, and younger people. Most of us know we are in a recession and it’s hurting us – high prices of everything and we need help in the government to turn things around!! Which group that supports obama cares or is affected most by the poor economy? The youth who are still being supported by their parents? NO The wealthy liberals? NO The African Americans? Yes, but they are voting based on race and not anything else.

nope not a democrat… mostly my views are liberal but i would say i’m an independent.
Your point on “Bush’s buddies the oil companies” is, if you haven’t realised it, just a political trick to differentiate the Dems from Bush (anything to drive that point home…) BUT the larger point is that the Republicans are on the side of big biz, are generally more corrupt (not saying the dems are not, but look at the headlines!) and Obama represents something new. As far as Kennedy voting against the wind turbines, understand that the entire community voted against it, not just kennedy. There’s hypocrisy on every side, not just Repub… but I see less with Obama.

voting for mccain? so you’re voting for the status quo… and special interests.
Bush himself said that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, so i would say good luck to mccain if her continues to try to argue otherwise…

This is unbelievable. I won’t even believe the people that are bringing up Rezko are actual Clinton supporters; just Repigs trying to stir the pot.
“Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.”
Keep talking about the “red phone”. Of course John McCain will be the best prepared to take the call at 4am. He’s already been up for half an hour waiting for the early breakfast special at Country Kitchen Buffet.

MightyT,
How is McCain the status quo? He’s actually reached across the isle. He’s legislation with Ted Kennedy for god sake. And he co-sponsored Legislation against special intrests and lobbiests with Russ Feingold. Just because the NY Times writes it doesn’t mean it’s true.
As far as Iraq having nothing to do with 9/11. I never said it did. We’re in Iraq because of extreme islam. People that want to kill non-believers at all costs. Here’s a question for you… If we didn’t go into Iraq, do you think Saddam would have provided weapons, and financing to fighters in Afganistan? Do you think the people that we’re currently fighting in Iraq wouldn’t be in Afganistan? Like i said… Both wars are the same. We’re fighting in Afganistan and Iraq against Extremist islam and their belief that all non-believers need to be killed. Should we invade pakistan?

Sorry MightyT,
It’s been fun, but i’ve got to sign off. Good luck, and keep questioning everything. Don’t take anything at face value, and you’ll be able to make the right choice. The easiest way to find out what’s going on is to simply ask “how” after each candidate makes their statement. If you don’t know the answer, it’s just a bunch of double speak. Example… I am going to change things in washington. “How?” DOUBLESPEAK. Gotta run.

god
saddam didn’t HAVE weapons and financing to PROVIDE. NO LINK. READ MY LIPS (to quote Bush). Get any ties to extremism and Iraq out of yer head, cuz they’re not real. Made up. Lies. To quote you (kind of) just because Bush says it, doesn’t make it true (or any of the other 935 lies that he and Cheney et al fed you). And if you had stayed in Afghanistan like the sane leadership of the military urged, you’d have finished the job by now and wouldn’t HAVE to worry about Iraq. And why would you invade Pakistan? Are you so war-hungry that you want to pick a fight with everyone you imagine wants to kill Americans?
McCain is the status quo because his policies mirror the policies of the current administration. I should say, his new policies, because he’s constantly changing what they are. The ole straight-talk express seems to have blown a few tires… also i’m not sure if you read the Raw Story site, but there’s an interesting McCain piece about lobbyists running some part of his campaign for him… nah THAT’s not staus quo

Although it is true that Hillary’s narcissistic tendencies and full-fledged smear campaign is damaging Obama and allowing republican neo-cons to cherish this moment her comeback will collapse once again as time continues to run out. Meanwhile, McCain’s soft buffer after coasting through the primaries will overwhelm him when he realizes that the majority of Americans are not his friends so he can stop calling us “my friends,” and ultimately realize that being patriotic is standing up to political hegemony which he represents. When one fears losing power they do and risk everything to keep it, but in doing so defer victory.

If the magic number of 2,025 delegates is needed to win, how does the Michigan, Florida delegates fit into the equation?

If only Obama would have gotten 100% of the black vote instead of just 90% he would have won.

I still think that so many Democrats are just missing the whole point here. Right now, Clinton has won the votes of the folks who are likely to vote for whatever Democrat is running. Obama is winning over the Independents that Clinton simply has no shot with. He is also bringing new voters into the process who will follow him to November, many of whom will either give up in frustration or go over to McCain if Clinton is the nominee. I, for one, am a voter who is very tired of Clinton losses being either ignored completely as though they didn’t happen or griped about to no end about trivialities. And yet somehow, when she manages to win a couple, she can start talking about Obama being her Vice President when she really didn’t gain any significant ground?? The arrogance is mind-boggling. It is an arrogance bred from the knowledge that her Democrat flock will nod along in compliance with whatever comes out of her mouth.

He could actualy win as an independent! He wants to bring people together that would be good that would shock the world. Every Obama supporter should start talking about him breaking away and running as a independent. We that want change should start pushing this, NOW!

I think it is sad that now Obama is starting to go negative. I took him for his word that he would not do this. Of all things to go negative on I would think there would be something better. He often makes poor choices.

I like Obamas grandmaw more than I like him. She lives in Kenya, in a hut, in the mud. She raises chickens and works very hard. She has always worked very hard. She is a kind woman, a decent woman. She is a simple woman. I suppose
she is a beautiful woman in her own way. She called her grandson last night
after the election and said to him “what did you expect dummy?”.

Obama didn’t get elected to the Senate by his “angel-pie” looks. He’s just like the rest of the corrupt politicians.

Me ????
I’m NOT voting for Monica’s exboyfriends wife.

It’s a deadlock. Who will be the dark horse?

To add to your comment Elise in NH. Not only di Clinton not get a 60% win but in all her wins she only has 3 where she won by 20% or more. While on the other hand of Obama’s 25 wins he has won 17 by 20% or more. If someone can honestly tell me that Hillary can shift this pattern in the few remaining contests then I will say you are way too optimistic.

MFM: Obama played dirty pool against the woman that was running against him that’s how he won. Rezko gave Obama the money to buy his southside home at the cost of $300,000. Obama has about 1.5 million dollars and he didn’t get that money by working for it. He was involved with dirty land deals when he was Rezko’s attorney. Farrakhan belongs to the same church as Obama which is all black, no whites. Ayers was in and out of trouble with the law. Any one that has a past like Obama should not be running for president of this country.

I hope the Clintons won fair and square. I wonder where was Bill when his wife won Ohio. Hillary is a mean cruel woman to scare the socks out of women with her advertisemnt. I do not like here disposition as a formal first lady. Obama would of have won Ohio if all of the people had a chance to vote. The weather was bad and it was a scam and I hopoe the people in Ohio is responsible for this will be able to sleep to night. I think Obama done well considering the Clints, President Bush and the Mcains ganged up on him. He did not have a fair chance. Hillary play dirty to be a formal first lady. I hope Obama win the other states. I will pray harder for him. He will be ahead again. Obama is aa great person. He congradulated Hillary for winnig Ohio and I have not heard her once congradulate him on any of the states he has won. I hope her soul is at peace. I wonder do she sleep well at night. Obama will not give up he still is a phenominal man. The world may say Hillary has gained moumentum, But his suppoters still will give him his moumentun that he deserves. I wonder how did hillary get so far a head in Texas when obama was way ahead on her 45 minutes before the polls closed. The Bushs will make sure she win in their states just like they did in Florida when Gore was runnig for president. I hope they are a few honest people when Pennsilvania is next. I just feel so sad for Hillary. Obama has never been disrespectful to her and good always win. Obama I still stand up for you. Go Obama.Blessed.

To big rounds of applause, three of the world’s richest men — Richard Branson, Ronald W. Burkle and Vinod Khosla — trooped onto a New York ballroom stage with former President Bill Clinton to pledge support for renewable energy projects to combat global warming and create jobs.
And sitting in the audience was an influential public official who had also taken an active interest in renewable sources of fuel: Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton.
Several months earlier, Mrs. Clinton had sponsored legislation to provide billions in new federal incentives for ethanol, and, especially in her home state of New York, she has worked to foster a business climate that favors the sort of ethanol investments pursued by her husband’s friends and her political supporters.
One potential beneficiary is the Yucaipa Companies, a private equity firm where Mr. Clinton has been a senior adviser and whose founder, Mr. Burkle, has raised hundreds of thousands of dollars for Mrs. Clinton’s campaigns. Yucaipa has invested millions in Cilion Inc. — a start-up venture also backed by Mr. Branson, the British entrepreneur, and Mr. Khosla, a Silicon Valley venture capitalist — that is building seven ethanol plants around the country. Two are in upstate New York.
A Cilion executive said Mrs. Clinton’s office had been helpful to the company as it pursued its New York projects. More broadly, by steering federal money, organizing investor forums and offering the services of her staff, she has helped turn the upstate region into an incubator for ventures like Cilion’s, while providing a useful showcase for her energy proposals on the campaign trail.Yucaipa’s partnership with the rulers of Dubai and its investment in a Chinese media company drew attention to Mr. Clinton’s connection to the fund when his wife was preparing her presidential run last year. In December, aides to Mr. Clinton said he was taking steps to end his relationship with Yucaipa to avoid potential conflicts of interest or political imbroglios for his wife, should she become the Democratic nominee.
Representatives of the Clintons declined repeated requests for comment that included a detailed set of questions submitted to Mrs. Clinton’s campaign more than a week ago.
Because Mr. Burkle’s Yucaipa funds are private, and the Clintons have refused to release their tax returns, details of Yucaipa’s investments and Mr. Clinton’s potential to profit from them are not publicly available
Wake up America

McCain doesnt stand a chance against Obama. There is a reason why the democratic primaries have consistently broken records in turnout this year. His name is Barack Obama. He has motivated people who have never voted before to come out and vote. When he wins the democratic nomination, he will be able to get the undecideds who backed Hillary on his side. Thos are the ones that voted for Hillary mostly based on familiarity with the Clintons. The voters who are voting for Obama are much less likely to vote for a Hillary nomination. Even if Clinton did somehow win, McCain wouldnt win against her. McCain has been trying to win over conservatives, and so has repelled independent voters with his ties and association with Bush and his failed policies. The biggest issues in this race are still economy and the war and both of these will unite Democrats against McCain. There is no way people will stand for 4 more years of Bush tax cuts and an unnecessary war that has cost us so many lives and so much money.

If Clinton wins the nomination, then she will lose her presidential bid. Why?
The young and independent voters (now motivated) will be turned off, and not vote, if there preference (Obama) is not on the ballot. You know young peolpe!

Well i vowed to myself no matter what happen in Ohio and Texas for me it will be Obam all the way. I wonder the type of experience Hillary has. Been a first lady doesn’t cut it. She hs never wake up at 3:00 am in the middle of a crisis to make a decision for this country so she should stop faking it. Obama is more believable. He seems more sincere and will be a good leader unlike Hillary that thinks the white house is a matter of pleasure and that only Clintons deserve it. If Hillary wins the nominee then it’ll be McCain in 08 and that is just another Bush. Obama is the best to win over the old guy(McCain)…
YES WE CAN!! YES WE CAN

in the end I think the superdelegate and every one shud look 1st OR ASK who got:
THE Most popular Vote?
Who Win Most State?
Who Got Most pledge Delegates?
Very easy to know after that who is the winner and the nominee.
Mathematicaly,Hillary cant catch up OBAMA on Delegue Lead,So I dont understand why people are trying to make look like she can still win?

In the current system there’s too much interference with party leaders and those in power deciding things.
How about true democracy and letting the AMERICAN PEOPLE DECIDE!!!
I think it’s time to rethink how we do our national elections. Hold a NATIONAL primary in March with ALL candidates. Then, two months later a second NATIONAL primary with only the top 2 or 3 from each party. The winner of that election would go on to be the party candidate in the general election.
I also think it’s time for the electorial college to go. In this age of technology and instant communications our election process in antiquated.

Aaron, one doesn’t have to win Ohio to become president. JFK lost Ohio also in the primary and the genral election… mull over that

scraig- I agree with you- when this process was initially put into place the idea of counting each individual vote must have seemed like ..a man on the moon … it really is time for both parties to initiate a better way for every person’s voice to be heard- I think the only problem is the fact that most candidates usually profit from it in some way and if they don’t they aren’t elected into the position that could do something about it anyway.

ppdirix,
“If you use the general election rule (i.e. winner takes all) to count delegate, Hillary is currently 200 delegate a head of Obama. So who will more likely win the general election?”
I’m assuming that you’re just looking at these wins at face value and naively think that this translates directly to a general election. I’m just curious how Hillary plans to win these battleground states by winning in the congressional districts she’s winning in. She has conceded the urban vote to Obama. This is the vote that traditionally will turn out for democrats in November. She has won largely in the rural areas that won’t even vote Democrat in a general. This would more than likely be her problem in places like Florida, Texas, and Ohio.
I think you need to look a little deeper and think about it.

Obama supporters hang in there, yes we can and yes we will; the republicans won’t be able to steal the election in Wyoming and PA like they did in Texas and Ohio where they voted for Hillary so she could continue to pay for the ads to attack Obama. the republicans know that he will win the nomination so they are allowing her to help them soil his image. All is not lost though; Obama has received the support of 6 more super delegates today from the followina Georgia (2), Nevada, Ohio, Vermont, West Virginia… and 55 million dollars raised in Feb. Please Hillary give up before we divide the party more and give the republicans more leveraage

GOD bless u earl, bless the American you are.
what is the matter with the Clints supporters? they are so blind and dum they cant see or hear what the Reps are doing to win in November
Shame on you Clint’s supporters!! SHAME!!!
Most of u come up with ” i am very educated” when i cant even see common sense in you.
How can some one that lost 11 times win three states , cant you see the Reps are involved.

Hey Ken:
Is that All You Clinton Clowns can come
Up With Tony Rezko?
The Tony Rezko who had a Picture taken
with the Clintons?
In addition to Rezko I want the Clintons to explain Norman Hsu, Johnny Chung and The Pardons that Bill gave to
members of the terrorist organization,
FALN! Explain that Buddy Boy!

I think that Barack Obama would be the right president of the United States, he can bring change, hope, and peace back into this country.
I think that Hilary is running a dirty campaign trying to put Obama against the American people, but dirty campaign doesn’t work, and its not going to work at all. to be able to win the precidency you always have to run a clean campaign.
I am a Latino American Citizen voting for Obama and so that my whole family. I am the state of Maryland.
David

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