Ferarro and the Politics of Race

hehehehe…..yes, impeccable. Coincidence (wink). Hillary is up +19 in the latest PA polls. She is going for the knockout. You go girl.

Hillary Clinton would not be where she is if she wasn’t Bill Clinton’s wife. And she is not focused on “campaign issues”. Hillary Clinton is focused on stealing the nomination however she can. She doesn’t give a hoot about the American people. And she’s not telling Ferraro to leave. Hillary has no integrity, no scruples, no conscience.

Before everyone gets worked up about a woman calling a black man…gulp…black. You should know that she is not affiliated with the campaign in a financially paid way. There is no person to “fire”, because she is not working for the Hillary campaign. She is a supporter of Hillary, and although these are not apples to apples, but so is Louis Farrakhan, Rev. Wright, and many other people who love to stick their foot in their mouth supporters of Obama.

Ya you see rules apply to other people and the other side must be held to the strictest standards.
About your own people, it ain’t important.
The thing is Hillary’s most important demographic is women over 50 and especially 60. She ain’t gonna do anything that may offends these women.

Hey if Clinton wants to take off the gloves then that’s her choice. If it is going to turn into a “any thing goes” fight amoung the “supporters” then I would have to remind Hillary that those years of “experience” she claims comes with quite a few ugly situations she may not want brought to light…along with her tax returns. People need to understand morals and values and that once a certain “pandora’s box” is opened? You can’t put the lid back on and today? Hillary left it open and she does so at her own peril.

Ferraros comments were not racist,they were spot on true with 80/90% of the black vote it can be nothing more than true.

I have many African American friends who also believe that based on Obama’s experience and track record, he would not be where he is today if he was white. It is not a racist statement unless my african American friends are Racist!! This is exactly why Obama cannot be critized in any way.

So many politicians over the years have been brought down for so much less. Hillary and her bunch are without a doubt the most low-down, wicked bunch to have run a campaign for the presidency in my lifetime. What has the United States come to even considering her as a credible candidate? America — you don’t even know it, but you are being judged and you are definitely found lacking!

More Clinton race-baiting, pure and simple.
When push came to shove, the Clintons showed themselves utterly and readily willing to throw black voters under the bus wheels in their unquenchable lust for power and position.
Who will be next?

The Clintons want Bill to be the first and the last black President of the United States.

I heard this issue being raised before someone close to the Clinton campaign said it, selective media coverage. I am still waiting for the coverage on obama and all his scandal, I guess it will come out after he has won the nomination, then we are so screwed!

Both Ferrero and Clinton are disgusting.

91% of blacks voted for bo in Miss. now, tell me its not about race

Usually my remarks are sarcastic.
However, today I am saddened by the realization of Hillary’s superiority to black people, especially after having voted for her husband on both of his elections.
She has belittled Barack throughout this campaign: (1) “Shame on you Barack” as if he was her child, (2) “Reject Farrakah, don’t simply denounce him,” as if he should abide by her rules, (3) “Fire her for calling me a monster,” as if he should take her feelings more into consideration than his own, (4) “The skies will open and the celestrial choirs will sing,” as if his message is beneath hers.
Yet, she refuses to reject and denouce Ferraro’s blatant racist attacks. She has continuously played the race card throughout this campaign, but cries the victim when she needs to pull out her gender card.
You won’t find a HahaHahaHa! tagline after this post. This post is reality – and it is sad for me and the American people. Hillary has a superiority complex that is bred in the American fabric. Her supporters do not mean to feel this way, it is just the way it is!

Obama is like a stand up comic who had a great routine (which he lifted from another comic), but after that no material. After he “hope” sppech he has shown mothing but ineptidude and negativity.

When someone pulls that curtain behind them in the voting booth, they vote their kind regardless of what they say to your face. That’s how I feel about what goes on. The blacks will vote for Obama without question. It’s their first chance. Would you ignore the opportunity if you were black?

If you are an opponent of HILLARY CLINTON I’ll accord you respect so long as you use facts and reason in your arguments. If you reduce it to name calling, then there is no basis for discussion. Please convince me with reason. That being said, the reason we’re having an election is to better America, starting with our economic health, which is tied to a) Iraq, b) Environment, and c) Health Care. It’s the economy!!! Wake up!!!!

I’m sorry WestCoastMessenger, but Clinton receive campaign funds from Rezko as well.
Notice how you don’t hear her mentioning his name anymore.
Be proud to be a racist, and stop blaming it on other circumstances!

obama-yikes….you need to be enlightened.
Black America DID come out in large numbers, both in 2000 for Gore, and again in 2004 for Kerry!
Another four years have passed and again, you have black america coming out to vote, this time overwhelmingly for Obama.
There were some blacks that voted republican. I don’t know what the percentage is, but they did vote. So this is not new. Four years have passed and Obama is appealing to younger blacks AND whites, thus you have a larger number. Before, the youngers weren’t all that concerned, but he is speaking to them, and they are responding. All races.
I believe that because Obama is in this race, that it has become more of an issue during this election, and is being reported more during this election.

It is beyond my comprehension how anyone with any intelligence or ounce of reason cannot see the blatant racism in this primary!!!
91 % OF BLACKS VOTED FOR OBAMA IN MISSISSIPPI!!!!!!! Do I think they know what he stands for? NO. Do I think they care what he stands for? NO. It is like the jury nillification of OJ and the racial division there was with his verdict across the country…same idea here, a black man runs for a high office, no black man has before, so, lets vote blindly for the black man.
Geraldine had alot of guts to say what we ALL know is happening, whether we choose to admit it or not. Is it a slur? Since when is saying a black man is black, or mentioning race at all, a slur.
If OB was white, and campaigning on this “feel good” theme, he would not be where he is, he would be off with John Edwards. I know he is mulato, but he plays black, he refers to his blackness, and he embraces the blackness. When was the last time he mentioned his white mother who raised him for his entire youth after his father, you know, the black guy, left them? NEVER!!!! If he did he might not have the black bloc of voters he know enjoys.

Yes Obama is a racist
He belongs to a racist church
He should be stopped.

I personally would like to see Obamas tax returns for the years he sat on the Health Facilities Planning Board, the very same board Rezko sold appointments to,and other political favors.Obama was able in his 8 years as legislature to buy a 1.26 million dallor home and finance a senate campaign.

If Westcoast messenger was referring to me, I am a 53 year old fed-up-with-the-old-divisive politics, WASP male New Yorker. I forgot to mention earlier that not only did Clinton get to where she is because of her marriage to Bill, Geraldine Ferraro became a VP running mate simply because she was a woman. She had nothing in particular to qualify her for the position. This is a disgusting immoral argument.

Some folks will vote against Obama because he’s not white; some will vote for him because he’s black. Some will vote against Hillary because she’s female, some will vote for her because she’s female. I have heard a number of clinton supporters use racist code words against Obama. I haven’t seen any of Obama’s supporters say you shouldn’t vote for HRC because of her gender, but I’m sure someone will point some cases that appear to them to be sexist.
One thing I know from the exit polls today and in all the other contests. Hillary’s core support is older females; Obama resonates with young voters. If the Democratic Party chooses Obama, they are investing in the future. If it’s Hillary, she loses to McSame, who has lots more age and experience than even she, and then they lose in 2010, 1012, 2014……… permanent Republican majority, the Karl Rove dream.

Laura, what makes her ‘far more qualified’???
They are both attorneys, both worked for law firms. She was first lady and Obama was a professor teaching constitutional law, and a state legislator. So he was in government a few years longer than she. She was a senator a few years longer than he.
So what exactly makes hillary ‘far more qualified’?

McCain takes MISS in Nov. another useless win for Obama

If the Democrats want to elect racists, and want to go around bashing men or blacks or muslims. Fine. Go ahead.
I’m leaving.
White, liberal, professional, female.
I’m gone. I’ve had enough. I hope a viable third party comes out of this nightmare. I’ll be the first one to sign up.
Screw the Democratic Party. They won’t get another dime out of me.
She stoops to conquer indeed.

Look we have 8 years of president who claimed we were Un-American every time we spoke out against his Ideas! If Obama wins the nod and then the general election are we going to go through 4 -8 years of every time we speak out against his ideas we are going to be called raciest?

chickaboom – you trying flatter the WestcoastMessenger?
If I know Westie, and I think I do, you just made His night.
And BTW Westie Hillary backing Gerry to the hilt ain’t doing her party any good….but I guess this ain’t about her party.

Thanks, Laura from NY!!! Sometimes I get the feeling everyone has set reason aside with this primary.
Obama has been anointed by the press, et al. Anything said about him that is the list bit less than flattering is held to be racist, you know, “the poor black man we done wronged.” He is milking it for all it is worth.
Sadly, come November, we will all pay for this lack of reasoned decision making.

The Commander Guy: Didn’t Westie use to post on here under the name “Jordan Clinton,” an admitted paid operative for Hillary’s campaign? I believe it was the same person.

chickaboom
Don’t know. You may have the good over me here.

I DON’T AGREE WITH FERRERO’S STATEMENT EVEN THERE IS SOME TRUTH IN WHAT SHE SAID THAT OBAMA’S RACE HAS HELPED. HER MIS-STATEMENT IS STILL FAR MORE MATURE THAN THOSE FROM OBAMA CAMP. THE CHILDISHNESS OBAMA ADVISER DISPLAYED WHEN SHE CALLED HILLARY A MONSTER IS THE HALLWARK OF OBAMA CAMPAIGN AND MESSAGE. SLOGANS SHORT AND SWEET NO MATTER HOW EMPTY THEY SOUND ALWAYS WORK BETTER WITH THE YOUNG, INEXPERIENCED AND IGNORANT. HOW IGNORANT AND CHILDISH CAN ANY ONE GET BY CALLING SOMEONE A MONSTER? IMAGINE IT WAS A HILLARY ADVISER WHO HAD CALLED OBAMA A MONSTER, HELL WILL KNOW NO FURY OF HIS SUPPORTERS. OBAMA CAMP ENGAGES IN CHILDREN’S ROUGH PLAY IN SERIOUS POLITCS OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

Peter Paul!

PA it’s up to you to save the Country again. Just like at Gettysburg.

LA in Indiana people seem to have forgotten that Hillary Clinton wrote two books as well.Both books did very well…

A”ny time anybody does anything that in any way pulls this campaign down and says let’s address reality and the problems we’re facing in this world, you’re accused of being racist, so you have to shut up,” Ferraro said. “Racism works in two different directions. I really think they’re attacking me because I’m white. How’s that?”
Beautiful. Time to speak the truth.

you’re way off on the “coincidence” tapper. maybe you should do a little more research next time.
From NBC’s David Gelles
I just spoke to reporter Jim Farber, who wrote the Ferraro story for the “Daily Breeze” of Torrance, Calif. He told me the Ferraro interview took place on Feb. 28th, five days before the Ohio and Texas primaries.

The people of PA will do the right thing. ooops, did I Xerox Spike Lee? I mean, they will do what’s best for the country. unlike MISS, SC, and MD.

The arrogance of a 46 year old punk stating he would never run at the bottom of the ticket as VP with her. Makes me dislike him and agree with Gerry he is lucky to be where he is at now. I am lifelong Dem and before Obama’s comments I thought I will get behind whoever wins, But now if Hillary is not on the ticket, I and a number of Dem friends have agreed we will vote Rep just to vote against arrogance. We don’t need another 4-8year of that!

BBB1961, so then you understand how Obama supporters feel. The nastiness from hillary has been over the top. Is this the norm, for democrats to throw their opponent under the bus for the other side? Or are you hillary supporters just suffering from selective amnesia?
As someone stated yesterday, her offering him to be VP at this point in time, as he is ahead in all numbers with the exception of super delegates, is like trying to sell a house that she doesn’t own.

obama—-YIKES !!!: Get real, my friend; she posts pre-edited copy with bullet points and all. Never a typo! Clear indications of a copy-and-paste ringer if ever there was one.
And if she or any of them IS a paid staffer, they should disclose that fact to the rest of us. I doubt ABC meant for these boards to become the province of professional political spinmeisters! It just smells bad. Let ‘em PAY for their advertising like everybody else! THAT’S WHAT!

obama-yikes, that has been the case over the years, so I’m glad you said that. At least it sounds like you have some understanding. Black people have a reason for mistrust, the past still hangs in the balance. It has only been what, 40 years since we have been ‘integrated’ into society. Old habits die hard, on both sides of the aisle.
I’m not saying it makes it right, I’m just saying I understand.

ya CG – i am hooked on the most qualified candidate based on resume and accomplshments. Let’s debate the facts oh wait – you would rather prod the masses here into fighting since you are pro-Mac Republican LOL

Obama—-YIKES !!!: I know what you’re saying, but I think you and I can tell when somebody’s a “pro,” as opposed to you and me and those like us just noodling around on here, waiting for the Hollywood writers to get some new scripts on the air!
Yes, there are lots of amateur copy-and-pasters on here — too many some days! — but there’s also that certain, select few, just a little *too* polished and precise, about whom you can often just *tell*….

DCV
I know you got the INSIDE dope on the Clinton campaign meme. So it is fun the play with ya.
How bout answer the Irak Q about Hillary I posted below.

LA in Indiana What Nastiness? She has done nothing over the top. Obama supporter as well as the press makes something out of nothing. Was it not Obama who was putting out false flyers in Ohio? If you are referring to 3:00am phone add that is not nasty that is legitimate question.
What experience does Obama bring to the table? Does he think he is going to march into DC and all the congress and lobbyist are just going to roll over and say “oh the Obama is here we all need to roll over and do as he says”?
Obama supporters are living in fantasy world if they think he is going to bring real change, To push this point look at last week, he’s campaign is caught writing the Canadians telling them “ not to worry about NAFTA changing we are just telling people that” then Obama aide Samantha Power telling British paper Hilary is “monster” . Now that is nasty! If you think Hilary is nasty, just wait and see if Obama wins the nod. The Rep’s will make Anything Hilary has done (nothing that I’ve seen) like mother Teresa. All I can say if he can’t take the heat get out of the Kitchen. Hillary is tested she has fought the right wing many times and knows how to handle them with poise and panache.

wow, it must be getting late….
she didn’t THINK a joint ticket would be possible

obama—-YIKES !!! well put! At least we know all of Hillary’s dirty laundry it has all been played out. What do we know about Obama! What a shame if he wins the nod and then Rep”s pull out a file no one told us about!

BBB1961, if you don’t think hillary has been nasty, with her kitchen sink strategy, then we aren’t watching the same campaign race.
Nancy Pelosi, and I assume some of the Leadership, they do think hillary crossed the line, whether you want to believe it or not.
And Obama DID NOT, and I repeat DID NOT, do the wink/nod to the canadians. If you weren’t paying attention, and I guess you wouldn’t because they kept it quiet in the news after the fact, the canadians said it was not the Obama campaign, but the clinton campaign. Now I know you might want to quote conflicting stories, but that is what happened, and that is why the MSM stopped talking about it. But that was one of those lies that was pushed to the people of Ohio, and it worked.
And I’m sure there will be another lie or distortion of some sort pushed to the people in PA.
Obama has a hefty enough resume to be President of the United States, even though you may not agree.
Understand, Obama never said “change” would be easy. On the stump he states how difficult it will be, but he reiterates how important it is for people to be involved in their government. Transparency is extremely important to get anything done, and that is what he is pushing for. I’m sorry if you don’t agree with it.

before I sign off…I just wanted to remind you folks, hillary won NH by pushing a lie.
The lie she pushed quietly, was that Obama was against a woman’s right to choose. Even though he rec’d 100% rating from Planned Parenthood, she put the lie out on flyers to NH residents.
They bought into the lie, he lost NH.
Well have a good night all, and come back tomorrow to do this all over again.

Hillary clinton is NOT focused on campaign issues. Time and time again she and her surrogates evoke race to scare white voters and Ferraro’s just another racist. What a joke! Racism and Sexism are equally bad and for her to act as though Obama is somehow getting an advantage and that blacks are stupid and just follow the herd is ridiculous. Did anyone notice the large number of republicans crossing the line to vote for her in Mississippi? Just like in Texas, white Republicans are trying to give her the nomination because they know that McCain can beat her. And if she steals the nomination then I’m voting for McCain.

BBB1961
Mr. O has never claimed going on a photo op in an another country with and media stars make him CinC material. HRC has.
Big difference.
So we all know what BHO needs to do. Since Sinbad has said the closest thing to a red phone moment Hillary had on the trip was where the three of them would stop to eat.
It is Clear that if Obama wants to get the exerience he needs to be ready on DAY ONE. He must Find Sinbad and Sheryl Crow and visit the troops in Bosnia. For good measure he should take along “The Rock” and maybe even “Kid Rock” too.
This way he gain the requiste experience to put him on par with Hillary.

The Commander Guy, there is more to that to the red phone moment. As first lady, I’m sure she was there when husband took those calls at 3:00am she has seen it handled first hand.
She knows the world leaders not just from Photo op’s with celeb’s but from state dinners and white house meetings. I’m not saying she had top security clearance to know everything but she was for practical purposes present at 1600 Penn Ave, when many of the world crisis’s happened.
Obama has not a clue about world affairs. He wants to meet unconditionally with our enemies and bomb our allies (Pakistan) on war on terror. If he wins the nod and a terrorist crisis happens (like a 911) before the election McCain wins! He is too much of dove to stand up to hawk like McCain if there is crisis. Hilary on the other hand is tough as nails. Americans have no doubts she can handle our security. These are just my observations. The WH is ours to lose if we nominate the wrong person.

“My point is its easy to second guess choices made by people who got more information at senate level meetings.”
You do not mean People who do not read NIE and relay on what they were told ?
The differance between legslators and lay persons is, LEGISLATORS SHOULD depend on what is on the record.

For starters, Hillary Clinton only rejected the comments (mildly) because she knew they were wrong and would hurt her campaign. But she also knew that plenty of white people who have been desensitized to racism would not see why such a comment would anger blacks. So she took the middle road, effectively playing to the sensitivities of both sides. Too bad this won’t be enough for black people who, like it or not, she will need to win in November.
Barack Obama is clearly extremely intelligent. He did not become the first black president of the Harvard Law Review because of affirmative action. He underwent a very rigorous process like everyone else and he earned the respect and trust of his peers.
He showed the same tenacity in Illinois when he was able to get legislation passed UNANIMOUSLY that had previously faced tough opposition from conservatives. (I am talking about a bill in Illinois that now requires that police officers videotape confessions and interrogations.) When he talks about reaching across the aisle and unifying people, there is a precedent. He has done it before and is the most likely to be able to do it again for the sake of this country. I would like to note that in doing this he had to reach out to people of all races and creeds–not just to blacks or whites.
Ferraro’s comments deserve much more scrutiny but do not expect the Saturday Night Live affected media to actually engage in investigative journalism delve into the underlying issues of why this was and is a fundamentally racist statement.
Finally, it cannot be said enough, Obama has ELEVEN years of experience as an elected official. Hillary Clinton has SEVEN.

Listen, Geraldine needs to go to sensitivity training to learn about racism. She should go, no matter how much flase indignation she portrays. She also needs to be reminded that Hillary wouldn’t be where she is if Bill hadn’t enjoyed her “feminine favors” at least at some point in time…

You want to know why Obama is pulling in most of the Afican-American vote and the black folks are not voting for the wife of “the first Black President”:
From the Washington Post:
The Clinton camp ended up spending nearly $7 million in South Carolina, but Obama won in a landslide. On Jan. 26, the day of the election, Penn sent an e-mail to the senior campaign staff comparing Obama’s victory there to Jesse L. Jackson’s two wins in the 1980s. Bill Clinton made the same comparison to reporters that day, generating even more anger among African Americans who perceived it as a way of marginalizing Obama by portraying him as a black candidate who appeals only to black voters.
As Clinton strategists woke up the next morning, they realized that the African American constituency was permanently lost to her. Only then were some of his closest former aides, such as Sosnik, former White House lawyer Cheryl D. Mills and fundraiser Terence R. McAuliffe, tapped to talk with him about reining in his rhetoric, and a daily conference call was established to try to enforce it.

Are you Libs blinded, Obama would not be where he is if he was not Black! That is true. Why is it Racist to say that truth but yet not racist for Blacks to vote for him only because he is Black!
Libs love the Race Card!
By the way Barrack Hussein Obama must be a racist like the talk show host because he was recorded using his middle name!!

LOM and D, you do raise an excellent point. Here’s the answer.
exit pols make clear that far more obama supporters will support clinton in the general than vice-versa. In fact, Clnton has tried to make that very sad fact a SELLING POINT. And this is consistent with campaign tactics. Clinton is making damn clear she’ll take down the party to win the election. Obama — not so much.
Does that speak to you at all? The answer to your question is that Hillary supporters do not support the party to the extent Obama supporters do. Will you take that information — which you admit is significant — into account when forming your opinions about this race? If not, why not?

Would Ferraro dare to say that Clinton got where she got because she was the wife of the president?
Would Ferraro dare to say that Clinton (Clinton, not 1980 Geraldine) got where she was because she is a woman?
After all, it was easy for her to say, and repeat that Obama got there because he was black.
But of course not, she will not say anything like that about Hillary. But she dared to say that Obama is there because he was black.
Which prove the point that she discreminated between Obama and Hillary.
She is a racist, case in point.
And Hillary with her typical double standards doesn’t do anything serious about it while decrying the monster comment (and he accepted the resignation of his advisor), while confronting Obama to denounce Farrakhan(which he did) … which makes her accomplice to a racist.

“Would Ferraro dare to say that Clinton got where she got because she was the wife of the president?
Would Ferraro dare to say that Clinton (Clinton, not 1980 Geraldine) got where she was because she is a woman?”
Posted by: Yves
In fact she did! It was during the same speech she gave when she mentioned about Obama. You don’t hear the Media or the Obama camp saying anything about that. Obama’s people clearly spin everything to be about race when it is their favor.
Gerry said, clearly in that same speech when ask about Hilary that she undoubtedly had advantaged from being a former first Lady. Unlike herself who was put on the ticket with Mondale in 84 to help win the women vote.
Obama’s people have desperate since Hillary is clearly looking more and more presidential and they trying to use the race card to muddy her face. Well most of us including some of us African-Americans can see through him.

Ferraro’s comments could likewise be applied to Clinton: If HRC were a man, did not have a history-making aspect to her candidacy by virtue of her gender and her role as a former first lady, would she be where she is? Is her public service record really THAT impressive? Or, in the alternative, would anybody really be looking at her twice if her last name were SMITH or JONES? Really, now.
In my judgment, Clinton is intelligent & ambitious, but otherwise unremarkable. She is not unlike countless other strong, bright, motivated women in other professions. Obama is also intelligent & ambitious, but is quite remarkable. He has, in an incredibly abbreviated time period, been able to create positive perceptions in voters about who he is, who we are, what we can do, and where we should go as a country. This is truly remarkable because he is so young, and was vitually unknown just a couple years ago, not because he is black. Black is just a matter of fact (hey, that rhymes!)
Ferraro’s proposition that Obama’s advantage(race)is greater than Clinton’s advantage (gender)is not supported by fact. And how could you even measure that, anyway? This is just Ferraro’s interpretation…her way to explain a phenomenon. To dismiss Obama’s entire political existence in the national arena or attribute it to him being “lucky” to be black is beyond absurd.
Frankly, I think Ferraro’s frustrations and those of HRC & her supporters stem from the belief that Obama does not deserve the nomination for one reason: he has not “paid his dues” yet; age-ism pure and simple.