‘Gerald’ Ferraro Equates Self with Obama

Well, Ferraro is terrible, clearly a racist (compare her Obama remarks with her Jesse Jackson remarks in ’88) but she stepped down and that’s a good thing for politics in this country. We need nor want racists around.
Hillary isn’t particularly lucky with the support she got from prominent women. Pelosi is against her, Ferraro revealed her true colors, and two world famous feminists enormously dislike her.
First their was Germain Greer who spoke about her as “bossy and cold and manipulative” and who stated: “I can’t see that Hillary would appeal to feminists because, why is she there? She is there because she is Bill’s wife.”
Now there’s America’s own Camille Paglia, who published an essay on Hillary Clinton online and it ain’t a recommendation.
I quote:
” Hillary, her shrill voice much improved and lowered through brutal overstrain, has certainly gained confidence and performance skill on the campaign trail, but I still don’t trust her. The arrogant, self-absorbed Clintons have shown their unscrupulous hand to all who have eyes to see. Yes, Hillary may know the labyrinthine flow chart of the Washington bureaucracy, but her peripheral experiences as a gallivanting first lady scarcely qualify her to be commander in chief. On the contrary, her constant resort to schmaltzy videos and cheap entertainment riffs (“The Sopranos,” “Saturday Night Live”) has been depressingly unpresidential. Is this how she would govern? All that canned “softening” of Hillary’s image would have been unnecessary had she had greater personal resources to begin with. Her cutesy campaign has set a bad precedent for future women candidates, who should stand on their own as proponents of public policy.
Would I want Hillary answering the red phone in the middle of the night? No, bloody not. The White House first responder should be a person of steady, consistent character and mood — which describes Obama more than Hillary.”
I as well btw think it’s time for Hillary to go home.

No, Jake, it isn’t the same thing. Ms Ferraro is saying that her only qualification for being chosen as vice presidential candidate is because she was a woman. That she had no other qualification. OK. Fine.
But then she further lets it stand that Senator Obama is not qualified to be a presidential candidate but that African-Americans should be proud of him anyway because he is running and doing well.
The entire thing is so condesending but Ferraro doesn’t get it. She just refuses to see why anyone should be angry about this. No wonder she and Hillary are such good friends, neither one wants to admit to making a mistake.
However, Ferraro stated on Fox News that even if she is removed, she will continue to fundraise and support Clinton. So, I don’t see any big news over the supposed seperation. She will just continue her work in the background. It won’t make any difference to Hillary.

That would be true if
1. If you never had that weird mindset to make sue derogatory comment.
2. If yo achieved something education achievement as that of Obama.
3. If you started your life from as challenged and stigmatised a situation as what the black child grow up in this country
4. If you have the ability to draw as large a crowd by your speech regardless of race/color/religion..
5. If you achieved as much as Obama achieved after having raised by a struggling teenage single mom.
..I could go on. I will stop here since there are no more hope for you in this regard.

I struggle daily to “get it” It is tough for some boomers. I may not understand as much as I should but I am sure of one thing:
Geraldine does not “get it”

What a change from that completely arrogant showing she made on GMA this morning! I am actually very surprised because I thought she was gonna stay the course. I understand that this may not change the role that she plays in Hillary’s campaign but it definitely will affect the perception of that role and as we all know…perception is everything sometimes.

Arya: How dare you. I am a white man happily married for 20 years to a black woman, so are you calling me a racist you’re wrong. I am not filled with hate as you put it. I don’t like how Obama is playing the race card, and gets away with it. I think anyone who votes for him blindly should seek professional help. He said in his own book, he accepted his black side, but rejected and was very uncomfortable with his white heritage. Soon the truth will be know.

Obama really has a glass jaw. How many apologies has he demanded in this campaign so far, and he is not yet the nominee?! If he becomes President, everyone will be walking on egg shells, trying not to insult him. Geez- toughen up will ya?!! Sheesh!

Toby,
I’m curious how words as you’ve pointed out mean something to Black people? Bamboozle? Hoodwinked?
No, people had a problem with what she said because you didn’t have to decipher anything about the meaning…
“Obama is only where he is today because he was a Black man.”
Not sure how those things are the same but maybe you can share.

Good grief! “Bamboozle, Hoodwinked, Okedoke” are black words? I am a white middle aged woman and have had those words in my lexicon since I heard by grandfather use them when I was a child. You are reaching so far that your arm is no longer attached to the rest of your body.

Maybe Mondale did select the congresswoman on the basis of her gender.
Little wonder he lost, it was obviously a dumb choice!
People should be selected for the good they can bring to the country AS A WHOLE!
Polarizing politics of one kind or another is killing off the American Dream for too many Americans.
Right now, Americans have taken their self-induced polarization to Washington on ideological differences, WHICH IS GUMMING UP WASHINGTON and preventing solutions to the nation’s innumerable problems.
Senator Obama IS THE ONLY CANDIDATE that recognizes the negative effect of partisan politics and have an effective and working strategy to neutralize it.
And that strategy is manifested in the form of the most successful grassroots in the history of American politics.

I heard over the rasion this morning that >90% of the black people voted obama. Is it about issues or the benefit of the country?

Jay,
Give me ONE solid example of how OBAMA is playing the race card. Give me a quote of what he has said that indicates he is doing what you accuse him of.

I agree partically CJ. I think HILLARY will have a VERY HARD time persuading Obama supporters to vote for her. She will lose the black and young vote. Independents and several Republicans will vote for Republicans. The only main demographic she has a large margin in is the latino voters.

But Lynn sweet did report Obama playing the race card. Sweet quoted B. Hussein as saying “minority candidates have ‘a higher threshold in establishing themselves with voters.’” Well.
That is a laughable claim but a shrewd use of the race card to position Obama for future manipulation of the electoral process.
The truth is exactly the opposite. Obama is being “seriously” considered because he is a racial curiosity. No white man with his tepid professional accomplishments would be considered as a serious candidate for president or showered with the attention Obama receives.

She was an embarrassment to the Clinton campaign (not that they needed much help on that front these days). The fact that she went out in a blaze of glory, issuing a completely remorseless, self-justifying letter, shows how little she learned from her stupid comments.
This is why — should Hillary wrest the nomination away from Obama — she’s going to lose a good deal of the party’s support. Her craven support of disgraced spokesmen like Ferraro (think Bill Clinton, Wolfson, Penn, Shaheen and Johnson) is no better than Bush’s “heckuva job, Brownie.”

I agree. Imagine if someone in the Obama campaign said “The only reason Hillary is in the race is she’s married to Bill Clinton”, there would be an UP-ROAR. Clinton campaign and supporters would call him sexist and the media would be outrage.
I happen to agree the only reason Hillary is a contender is she is married to Bill.

Jay,
Thanks for showing us the true color of your beliefs. By your own words, you have proven who you are.
The ACTUAL quote, since you seem to have not read it:
The 2008 presidential race is lurching center stage, Sen. Barack Obama–already polling second to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton–said women and minorities have a higher hurdle to cross when it comes to winning the White House.
“You know, my sense is, whether it’s the African- American candidate running, a woman candidate running, if it’s a nontraditional candidate, there’s an additional threshold you have to meet,” Obama said. “I think you have to show people competence but once you do, I think people are willing to judge you on the merits. They’re willing to judge you as an individual. The key is getting known and getting people comfortable. And at that point, then I think they’re willing to look at the individual as opposed to look at their sex or their race. You know, I really think it comes down to the individual. And the people end up having the sense, will this person look at for the interests of all people? And if they’re able to show that and demonstrate that, then I think ultimately it won’t make a difference.”
I think that is an elegant statement that blankets the situation of both Hillary and Barack.

So then Arya, I guess you would call Professor Randall Jefferson a racist, since he is calling out Obama?

Thanks for the quotes from Obama’s racist church. Actually Hillary has been called much worse things, and mostly by the Candidates of Peace, Hope, Love and Change nasty supporters.

quoting Shilohx7…
“I am black and a Hillary supporter, simply because I don’t know anything about Obama and I simply refuse to vote based on my emotions: the stakes are too high.”
I can totally respect you for having this as your reason for voting for HC. At least it’s not speculative as some of the other reasons I hear.
“This much I believe to be true, if Obama wins, John McCain is our next president.”
I believe this to be true but in the same way I am sure HC will lose to McCain. The nomination process is in that boiling over state. I have more reason now to vote against HC then at the start of the nomination.
“Despite or in spite of the media fawning over Obama, the tides will change if he wins. Don’t be hoodwinked, we should all be asking more questions. When Hillary does it she is accused of being mean to Obama; it seems the media and his supporters believe she should allow him a learning curve, even at her expense.”
It’s possible, the Obama supporters think the same of HC. She has managed to characterize the media as this one entity that is supportive of Obama. The Vast Media Conspiracy. I believe ou fail to realize, the Clintons were not liked by many. In the same way you said, you didnt know Obama well enough, many of us do research and KNOW a few things about Hillary. I know some women that are absolutely furious that Hillary took Bill back after monicagate. For them, they tie that into her judgement. Many people take issue with her and yet, they can’t express their outrage because of the Vast Media Conspiracy.

BO has great speech.. if he was white, would that still get all the votes he has gotten with the lack of experience. He sounds good on a sunday morning on a pulpit, but just not ready for the podium. I really believe being Hillarys vp will give him the experience to then run for president. It is going to happen, rumors have this ticket already being talked about,Washington insiders are talking about a 16 year plan.

Toby, you are delusional. Most of us have never seen the movie “Malcolm X” since apparently some of us have lives outside the video store. AND Senator Obama has been using those words for years and not to just black crowds. Are you seriously saying that just hearing the words “bamboozle” or “hoodwink” is enough to make black americans run to the polls and vote without regard to the issues? Sir, you do black voters a huge disservice and you tend to disprove the argument that only white folks are smart enough to be CIC.

In a battle between Judgement and Experience, I’ll pick judgement everytime!
Even though I don’t recognize HC as being more experienced then Obama. If experience was the leading reason for voting for a president, why didnt everyone…at least the HC fans, vote for Biden or Richardson? They could spin circles around HC with their resumes. This argument reminds me of a few people that were hired at my company. They showed up with these extensive resumes but were later fired because they had no wits about them. Padding your resume is not enough!

Ferraro was right. This is a guy who’s gotten outsize attention ever since he became the first editor of the Harvard Lar Review. That led to a book contract. How many white law review editors have gotten book deals while still in college for a memoir. And, in 2004, had he been a white STATE SENATOR he wouldn’t have been selected for the keynote address at the Democratic convention. So, her comments are reasonable and unlike Obama’s people, she didn’t resort to name calling.

I am very sadden that Mrs. Ferrara felt the need to quit Mrs. Clinton’s campaign.
It is unfortunate that in this country of free speech, that we cannot express our thoughts and feelings without being sent to the guillotine!
I know that there are lots of voters out there whom are also thinking the same, but afraid to say anything because they too would be called racist.
I have a question that I would like some of you bloggers to answer. If Obama was not on the ticket, would John Edwards (a white man) be in close contention or ahead of Hillary?
I say, all the three candidates had or have basically the same policies they are promoting in the democratic campaign.
But isn’t it ironic, that Edwards is out of the race, but Hillary and Barack are still in it.
And is it just coincidental that 9 out of 10 blacks are voting for Obama.
So how can anyone with a clear conscience say this race is not about color and sex!

Then try Norman Hsu if you want recency.
But the point I believe Will was trying to make is that Obama made a bone-headed mistake. One mistake.
Hillary Clinton has a lifetime of mistakes.
Of course, that is part of the vetted process and we aren’t supposed to mention anything from the long string of legal and moral morasse that is the Clintons.

Jake – there is an honest comparison to Ferraro and Obama , see her ticket won the dem primary also
why do people change the meaning of racism, they actually made it mean nothing now because they cry it evertime
By the way she is correct if he was a white male he would not be where he is, just look at Edwards

If you are correct that Obama will not win the nomination, please don’t blame it on anything other than the race card.
It is unfortunate that Hillary has such a superiority complex, that she cannot accept defeat. Therefore, she had to bring out the only card she knew would enrage the American people.
Hillary’s motto, “If I can’t have it, then nobody can.” Eff, the Democratic party!

As a black woman, I applaud Geraldine Ferraro standing by her truthful statememt. Sen. Obama is fortunate that he is a black man in this race because people, including the media, have been enamored with the idea of having an African American President and have given him a free ride as a result. The reality is that if Sen. Obama were a female state legislator, he would have never been asked to give the keynote speech at the Democratic convention. If he were a woman, or even a white man, running for President after 2 years in the Senate, he would not be a serious contender for President. Ferraro’s comments are right on and I think it is refreshing that somebody finally has the guts to speak the truth.

Arya:
Obama does not use the race card in the first person. He has said repeatedly he does not want this race to be about race, religon or ethincy. But the problem is we never openly talk about race or gender bias and until it is openly discussed it never will be settled, its the elepahant in this election.
Travis Smiley recently received such a hard lesson when he openly critized Obama for not attending the Convention, Travis received death threats, his family received death threats for his critizing Obama, how many of you are even aware this happend. Travis has said he was very hurt and sadden by this. Guest what it was not Hillary’s people that threatened him and his family.

yi001, You are very welcome. The hatred for Hillary on these blogs is amazing. I don’t hate Obama at all, I just don’t trust him yet.
I think I can stand 4 more years of McCain and wait for the 2012 Hillary run again. Mr. Obama and his wife stated, if he doesn’t make it this time, there will be no more campaigns for president. Of course , he also said in the Senate he would not consider a run until 2012. Imagine how smooth this election would be for Hillary , if Obama had kept his word. I wonder who the “real” spoiler is in this campaign?

As a black man myself myself, I’m gonna keep this simple, my overwhelming response to Geraldine Ferraro’s comments are laughter. Barack Obama is lucky to be where he is because he’s black?! Just think about that concept and not even who said it. It’s truly funny. The only thing that could make it funnier was if Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson were in the room.

I am glad you mentioned the stomping that the democratic ticket took in 1984. You will get to see it again if Obama gets the nomination. This country has NEVER elected a far left candidate and they won’t start now. This is the very reason the super delegate system was put in place. To insure that the democratic nominee has a chance of winning. McCain is a moderate and will be tough to beat. The only chance the democrats have is running Hillary who is closer to the center. I hope the super delegates can figure this out. Oh, and Obama won’t need to worry about getting stomped at a biker rally. The motorcycle boots Obama hears coming up behind him will be worn by middle aged women. You know, the ones his supporters call dinosaurs.

Good for Ferraro! Her point is what many are talking about but the media never states. That if Obama were a white man with his experience,policy’s and rhetoric…NO ONE WOULD BE LISTENING. AND HE WOULD NOT HAVE MADE IT THIS FAR. Affirmative Action got him where he is today.
I am sick of people claiming racism today. What should whites say when a black man scores lower on the test to become a fireman, 5 white men that have higher scores get bumped and the position goes to the balck man. How is that fair. If we are all the same, and don’t want racism aroung, then the man with lower scores should not have been bumped up and hired first based on skin color. That is why racism in America remains today.
She(Ferraro) should stick to her guns, liberal america has become way too political sensitive and if americans keep whining and don’t toughen up then we will be weak all around the world. People should be able to say what they want and not be afraid to say what they feel is what they see as the truth!!!!

If Obama were where he is only because he is black, there would be 34,000,000 people running for president right now (aa population according to censusscope.org).
For me, an all-white European watching from the sidelines, it is Obama’s Iraq stance that sticks out.
He spoke up against the war from the start. And now, when history has proven him right, he doesn’t just call for immediate withdrawal. Instead he says:
‘I want to be as careful getting out as we were careless getting in’.
This is the kind of stuff good presidents are made of.

Niels:
Then we should probably be electing Mr. Obama’s speech writers.

Jay…
or Hillary’s Husband.

Toby, thanks! Sure glad you turned me on to that word thing. Seems that I never got the memo on that….nor did millions of others either I warrant.

Did I hear Ferraro correctly? Senator Obama doesn’t have any organizational and leadership skills. Nor anything that resembles inspiration for all Americans to reach out and make a stand for change. What about ones’ convictions after hearing the truth? What about having class (not in the racial context Ferraro) and having the fortitude and inner strength not to join “the same old folks saying the same old things”! How about being a stand up guy Ferraro? I know one thing and that is Senator Obama is standing very tall and proving that David can beat Goliath! Don’t forget at one time the confidence was Goliath will smash David; right, and who won the last super bowl against all the odds?
Senator Obama wouldn’t be in the position that he finds himself in because he is black? Listening to those profound observations I immediately asked myself, “what kind of change is Senator Clinton desiring”? Maybe the Clinton team doesn’t think much of the Obama team. True, the score is close; however, like in “The Longest Yard” Senator Obama has been making the plays and scoring despite the odds! Despite the road side bombs that the Clinton team has sent out (sadly across the world!) Senator Obama will win.
When a politico makes statements like “I was taken out of context”, it re-enforces the meaning of incompetence and the government’s hierarchy is the biggest contributor to the “Peter Principle”. Another statement that should never be taken out of context is “a dream, “where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character”. Stand tall Senator Obama!!!

Did anyone really listen to what Ferraro said? She said that she was in no way referring to Obama’s abilities as a candidate nor as a potential President, but was speaking to the historicity of this particular candidacy, which included both a woman and a black, both of which are firsts for a presidential nomination. She was celebrating this as an indication of the forwardness of the party and of those doing the voting.
It is David Axlerod who is behind this spinning of the situation to try to take advantage of any opportunity to incite the black community against Hillary by accusing her or her supporters as being “racist”. I was pleased to hear Ferraro mention also how ridiculous it was that Bill Clinton’s comments about Jesse Jackson were spun to be racist. If there is any “bait and switch” going on here, it is on the Obama side, and although Obama claims to be above this kind of pettiness on the one hand, his comments over both situations insinuate otherwise.
To top it all off, you have the media acting like a bunch of wolves ready to pounce on anything which makes for endless hours of discussion and higher ratings, whether there is any substance to it or not. The more controversy, the better.
Why is it so easy for anyone to be called a racist who makes a negative comment against Obama, yet no one is accused of being chauvinistic for negative comments against Hillary?
I have been a Democrat for many years (a traditional Democrat, more of a Jimmy Carter type), but in light of this pettiness, I can understand why many have left the Democratic party and become either Independents or Republicans. I could never become a Republican, but I’m considering switching to Independent.
As to the media, I’ve learned there is but one thing to do: turn you OFF.

Here’s the script. First say Obama got where his is because he’s black. Then don’t back down and keep the story alive while Hillary is slow to react. Then equate him to you and admit you were only on the ticket because you were a woman. All designed to marginalize Senator Obama.
But these are not similes. Ferraro was hand picked by one man as part of a loosing campaign strategy. Obama, on the other hand has won the majority of the primaries, caucuses and popular votes cast by a record number of democrats that have participated. It’s like Senator Obama said in a debate, the Clintons are insinuating that every voter who voted for him and every newspaper that endorsed him are somehow delusional. It shows the level of contempt the Clintons have for the public.

To the people who are saying that Obama is only where he is because he is African-American. Why no credit to the fact that he is politically talented, an inspiring speaker, a brilliant thinker? Let’s say for argument’s sake that he was asked to do the convention keynote in part bc he was African-American (though who’s to say that an up-and-coming white politician known for inspiring rhetoric wouldn’t be asked either?). The fact is that he knocked it out of the park. He’s here bc at every opportunity he’s had, he’s taken it and then some. Give the man some credit, for the love of God!

That is absolutely ridiculous Jack.
She was the first female presidential contender, and the first female VP nominee. Her candidacy was far more pioneering than Sen. Obama’s. Not that Sen. Obama isnt a great historic figure, but he has certainly gotten a free pass and Geraldine Ferraro has every right to compare her candidacy to his.
Just because she was a woman, doesnt mean her candidacy was any less pioneering. Not like by electingObama the AA issues are gonna disappear.

I find some of these post laughable that Barack Obama is playing the race card when people can’t site one example of him doing so. B.O. is trying to help bring this country together. From reading some of these closet bigoted post it is obviously some would hate for this country to come together. I’m glad Ferraro said what she said because it exposed her ignorance and the ignorance of some of the anti-Barack people. I honestly believe that there are “some” in this country who would rather cut their throats than vote for a African-American for president even if they knew deep down he was the best candidate.

Listen you all are still in protect the Clintons from the Republican mind set still…I have to think that…I don’t think that Grealdine Ferraro wants to put down black people…but I do think it belittled his abilities that you all don’t think exist I guess…
Try this maybe this will help you all understand…I say this to try and put it in perspective…
Do you all think it is okay if someone said “Hillary was only allowed to cry because she was a woman”? or that “she got where she was because some guys in congress found her attractive?”
or that she got where she was because “She wasn’t attractive so they took her seriously?”
I don’t believe anything like this…but imagine someone prominent said this…lets say Ted Kennedy. or these kind of comments (Not just someone calling another politician a monster) …were sadi over months period by various people…associated by the campaign.
and then a bunch of people who supported Obama got on blogs and started saying “what he is only saying the truth?!!” “he is only saying what everyone in America is thinking.” “Oh every woman thinks people are being sexist.”
Think. There are dots even if they are mistakes…You all would expect Obama to repudiate such sexist remarks and fire someone who made those comments from whatever committee they were on. You have to address them as a unifier…not …well, not the way it was done.

Kevin – what about when someone says his middlename, what about when Bill said Obama’s stance was a fairytale! Obama’s response was playing the race card!
And dont say someelse responded it was Obama thru his surrogates.

You see Will, belief and actual facts are two different things. What you believe about me is basically your opinion or determination. It has no bearing on who I really am or what I am about.
Same thing in politics. It is our perception of our preferred candidate’s that make up believe in them, and allow us to believe they are telling the truth and want what is best for us. Is it always accurate in reality? Probably not.

1st: Geraldine Ferrero, like the Clintons, is not racist – they all have committed much of their work as Democrats to Civil Rights and helping minorities. Funny how opposing campaigns like to jump on quotes and take them out of the context of lifetimes, and make them racist.
Geraldine Ferraro is furiously angry at being accused of being racist.
She was not saying that race is the only reason why Barack is where he is – she was only noting how race has actually benefited Barack in being where he is.
It can benefit him with some Democrats -
it may not benefit him as much with some Republicans.
She was just observing reality.

Jay…
“You see Will, belief and actual facts are two different things. What you believe about me is basically your opinion or determination. It has no bearing on who I really am or what I am about.”
First, thank you for providing this link. I needed the information in the original context as the statement you were making is misleading. Now, I don’t know what you are ranting on about above, I would hope you don’t blog for the purposes of getting acceptance as I am not one to give it. I’m merely pointing out the fact that you have managed to misrepresent Obama’s stance on topics. Namely this one. You say Hillary is extending an olive branch as if to say Obama has taken the stance not to offer Hillary a possible VP slot. He has maintained a stance on it being premature to talk about who’s going to be the VP as well as saying Hillary would be on anyones list for VP. However you want to paint a counter argument with a different quote in a different context. There are numbers that cannot be ignored. I do think it’s possible that more people have been engaged in politics because of the failed policies of the Bush administration. But there are people that are voting that have historically not participated in politics. Are you denying this? Is this not worth anything?
“Same thing in politics. It is our perception of our preferred candidate’s that make up believe in them, and allow us to believe they are telling the truth and want what is best for us. Is it always accurate in reality? Probably not.”
True.

Jay, I’m interested in that quote from Obama too. If you have it, give it up. If you don’t – just admit it – you don’t have to go on the attack – nobody’s gonna arrest you.
And Spock? I don’t think there is anyone alive who believes that Mr. Bush has one of the most powerful minds in the world. I don’t even think Mr. Bush would believe that one. I don’t think Karl Rove is a genius, either. I just think he’s a completely ruthless pol, who helped to elect a President who has destroyed our economy and got us into a war that has cost us at least $2 Trillion dollars so we can help Iraq set up an Islamic government.
I also believe that people like Bush/Rove and Hillary/Penn pretend to be people like my family during election years – honest Americans who have worked all their lives and never had much to show for it. And I believe that they use decent Americans during election years. After the elections are over – the “jugheads” as Penn calls us are all forgotten, our kids are fighting to build Islamic states, we have no health care and our jobs are in India or in China. I’m ready for change. If you’re not, my guess is that you’re pretty comfortable and don’t have much to worry about.

Anyway, political opinion is all semantics if anything Will.
I can show you 50 headline links where OBama says , I will not be Hillary’s VP, and then he tries to humiliate her on a tirade about how dare she even ask him when he is the front runner and he has more votes, states, and delegates. Mr. Obama’s ego will be the one thing that has the potential to bring him down.
You quite welcome Niels. I also agree with you. Obama is terribly divisive, he is just much more sneaky about it.

I would say yes…she is not a racist…and neither are the Clintons…but it is hard to either think they are …well, dumb for making the statements (and she was at an event drilling up support for Sen Clinton so i am hard pressed to believe the interview tonight where she said, I was praising the event of him being black and that he is the nominee on the FOX broadcast)…
It is either that or worse (and I am not one of those saying it is but if it is not plain old stupid then) it is tactical.
She did On Feb. 26, “If Barack Obama were a white man, would we be talking about this, as a potential real problem for Hillary? If he were a woman of any color, would he be in this position that he’s in? Absolutely not.”
She said absolutely not.
So she was discounting every other quality and saying the fact that he is black is the reason he is there…
I know I know black people are voting for him…do you think that is outweighed by the racism that exists in other voters?
If he were white and saying the message he has said, if he hadn’t been the freakiin President of the Harvard law review …not just the “first black President of the harvard Law review” but just the President of the Haravard Law review…hadn’t taught constituional law…hadn’t touched young people with the idea of hope that we could get rid of this negative politics…
His being black is an attribute which no doubt gives him an extra sense of the America that i do not know…
but he has 11 years in legislature…he gave up a huge opportunity to work with high powered attorney positions and firms and government to work for laid off workers in factory closings in chicago…
He’s a snappy dresser…he’s charming…
I think if he was white he may have done better.
That is the one thing that is getting lost in all this. Take him down on something but to say the biggest reason he has achieved this is because he is black…is from a simple mind…or a not-so-nice one.
I hope it is just simpleton stuff.

It was a comment I had quoted from someone else Leslie, but you got me there..lol

I want our most qualified canidate, who is Hillary, and this is why:
I know many people who are college educated and with advanced degrees who support Hillary. I am one of them.
But I have also been an idealist more than a materialist, and now in this ecomony I am one of Americans who literally cannot financially afford to wait while such a new administration full of the unknown and inexperience gets it’s act together.
I want the most efficient administration possible.
I do want someone was involved in the last Clinton administration, and knows first-hand about all of the changes they made which helped the economy, to make it one of the most socio-economically successful we’ve ever had.
In the debates, it was obvious that Hillary is both the most knowledgeable and qualified. That is what I want.
Mara, Bill’s administration was the most socio-economically successful we have ever had.
It’s Bush, and his administration’s policies that have gotten us in this mess.

Jay,
I see no grounds for calling Obama ‘terribly divisive’. When it comes to dividing, I’d have to give Clinton the edge after the last couple of weeks. But it takes two to tango.

Lauren, Bush – and his people have definitely gotten us into this financial mess. I don’t know that Hillary is going to be able to get us out, because a lot of that wealth was based on the dot.com bubble, but I think McCain, Clinton and Obama all have more sense than Bush – you can’t cut taxes and raise spending.
Jay – I saw your link, and Obama did say just what you said he did (that it was not clear that his supporters would follow Hillary). Thanks.

Jay I was beginning to think I’d be wrong about you. I was waiting for this response.
“Sorry Will, I don’t see where my opinion was false. I provided links as you requested, and I did not misrepresent them in my opinion. Of course you as a fervent Obama supporter can slant things any way you wish, the same with the Hillary supporters. I am just throwing this information out there for the sake of conversation. You sound more and more like someone who is a paid Obama staffer. Well, Are you?”
To answer your question, no I am not an Obama staffer, nor have I voted for him. Yet that is. I didnt vote in the Florida primaries as I was aware of the rules that were agreed upon before the election.
Now I have already pointed out how you misrepresented him in saying that Hillary was extending an olive branch by offering a joint ticket and saying Obama doesnt think his supporters will vote for her. To be accurate, Obama is not opposed to Hillary being the VP. Just like Hillary isnt opposed to having Obama as VP…or at least now for both of them. Your statement earlier was misleading as well as some of your other posts because it didnt represent the scenario you were presenting accurately. He doesnt believe Hillary will get his votes just like Hillary believes she will get more votes then him against McCain. See, I asked for the links because the context was important in trying to figure out why you were comparing Hillary talking about joint tickets vs Obama talking about his supporters votes. I don’t think I can convince you otherwise, so forget it.

Hillary is not a MONSTER. Some in her campaign are. They destroy both Hillary and Obama. Howard Wolfson, Mark Penn are the other leading monsters. Soon, they will also be sent out by Clintons, for not helping Hillary to win. It’s just a matter of time…When you are in a quicksand swamp-whole, no matter how hard the head fights and shakes, you just sink more. That is the law of nature. Hillary is the loser.

I think Hillary deserves credit for failing on her number one priority which was to revamp heath care and we’re all lucky she did fail because her plan would have destroyed our health care system.
She also deserves credit for blowing her inevitable nomination and a huge stash of other people’s money. Apparently she was stunned to find out the campaign was broke despite getting weekly emails detailing the campaign’s financial status.
She also deserves credit for talking her husband out of settling with Paula Jones – which led to Bill’s impeachment.
And of course, it was Al Gore’s fault, hot Hillary’s that she didn’t even come close to delivering on her campaign promise to provide 200k jobs for NY.
Hillary does have a lot of experience and I hope the majority have the good sense to take a look at it.

Do any of the Hillary supporters have the test questions for CIC Test(commander-in-chief test mentioned by that moron Howard Wolfson and hillary). We want to know first whether Hillary has the IQ to pass any of that test without cheating?

Ok Cortez, I know you’re just messing with us now, You don’t really believe the CIC test is a booklet like the college SAT’s OMG, please tell me you’re kidding.

SuzieQ: This is a short list, but you get the idea.
Her first cause was children, fighting abuse, and chairing the Children’s Defense Fund.
She began her career as a lawyer after graduating from Yale Law School in 1973.
following her career as a Congressional legal counsel; she was named the first female partner at Rose Law Firm in 1979 and was listed as one of the one hundred most influential lawyers in America in 1988 and 1991.
During 1974 she was a member of the Nixon impeachment inquiry staff in Washington D.C., advising the House Committee on the Judiciary during the Watergate scandal. She helped research procedures of impeachment and the historical grounds and standards for impeachment.
Hillary co-founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families, a state-level alliance with the Children’s Defense Fund, in 1977.
In late 1977, President Jimmy Carter appointed her to the board of directors of the Legal Services Corporation.
She was the First Lady of Arkansas from 1979 to 1981 and 1983 to 1992, and was active in a number of organizations concerned with the welfare of children, and was on the board of Wal-Mart and several other corporate boards.
Bill Clinton appointed her chair of the Rural Health Advisory Committee where she successfully obtained federal funds to expand medical facilities in Arkansas’ poorest areas without affecting doctors’ fees.
One of the most important initiatives of the entire Clinton governorship, she fought a prolonged but ultimately successful battle against the Arkansas Education Association to put mandatory teacher testing as well as state standards for curriculum and classroom size in place.
She introduced Arkansas’ Home Instruction Program for Preschool Youth in 1985, a program that helps parents work with their children in preschool preparedness and literacy.
As First Lady of the United States she took a very prominent role in public policy.
She was the initial first lady to hold a post-graduate degree and to have her own professional career up to the time of entering the White House. She was also the initial first lady to take up an office in the West Wing of the White House.
She fought hard for Universal Health Care as First Lady, although it wasn’t successful, it’s something she learned from.
She visited over 80 countries as First Lady giving important speeches, about such controversial topics as human rights/women’s rights in China.
Her major initiative, the Clinton Health Care Plan, failed to gain approval by the Congress in 1994, but in 1997 she helped establish the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) and the Adoption and Safe Families Act.
As a Senator and after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, Hillary worked with her colleagues to secure the funds New York needed to recover and rebuild.
She fought to provide compensation to the families of the victims, grants for hard-hit small businesses, and health care for front line workers at Ground Zero.
She is the first New Yorker ever to serve on the Senate Armed Services Committee.
She has visited troops in Iraq and Afghanistan and in countless other locations, truly understanding the challenges facing our troops.
Hillary passed legislation to track the health status of our troops so that conditions like Gulf War Syndrome would no longer be misdiagnosed.
She is an original sponsor of legislation that expanded health benefits to members of the National Guard and Reserves and has been a strong critic of the Administration’s handling of Iraq.
She has introduced legislation to tie Congressional salary increases to an increase in the minimum wage.
She has supported a variety of middle-class tax cuts, including marriage penalty relief, property tax relief, and reduction in the Alternative Minimum Tax, and supports fiscally responsible pay-as-you-go budget rules.
She helped pass legislation that encouraged investment to create jobs in struggling communities through the Renewal Communities program.
She authored legislation that has been enacted to improve quality and lower the cost of prescription drugs and to protect our food supply from bioterrorism.
She sponsored legislation to increase America’s commitment to fighting the global HIV/AIDS crisis.
She has lead the fight for the expanded use of information technology in the health care system to decrease administrative costs, lower premiums, and reduce medical errors.
Clinton has successfully worked to ensure the safety of prescription drugs for children, with legislation now included in the Best Pharmaceuticals for Children Act.
She has also proposed expanding access to child care.
She has passed legislation that will bring more qualified teachers into classrooms and more outstanding principals to lead our schools.
Hillary is one of the original cosponsors of the Prevention First Act to increase access to family planning.
She fought with the Bush Administration and ensured that Plan B, an emergency contraceptive, will be available to millions of American women and will reduce the need for abortions.
She introduced the Count Every Vote Act of 2005 to ensure better protection of votes and to ensure that every vote is counted.

I just read the link to Hillary’s achievement: 1. Rodham Clinton was accused of involvement in a failed savings and loan in Arkansas, during a 1994 investigation. The Clintons had partnered with the savings and loan owners, Jim and Susan McDougal, in a real estate venture known as Whitewater, while Rodham Clinton worked for the Rose Law Firm. Hillary’s billing records were subpoenaed for auditing purposes, but went missing for two years until they were discovered in the first lady’s book room.
2. Death of Vince Foster, childhood friend of Bill Clinton’s, and Hillary’s former Rose Law Firm colleague, was investigated in conjunction with Whitewater. Deputy White House counsel Foster was found dead in a Virginia park on July 20, 1993, and a suicide note, torn into many pieces, was discovered in his briefcase. Foster had been murdered.
There are so many more Hillary failures and controversies from the hyperlink, this Hillary nut sent me to read. But enough, I did not even touch Lewinsky and all that Clintons crap. Just sick of those 90s. Turn the page on the old Clintons.

Cortez, I am a Hillary supporter , not a nut. So stop with the name calling. I gave you the link to make sure all the info was there , good and bad, you didn’t mention, she was never convicted or found guilty or charged with anything from that era.
Hillary has her flaws, but at least I know exactly what they are. I can’t say the same for Mr. Obama yet.

SuzieQ. So Hillary is flawed. You don’t think Mr. Obama has his flaws? His racist church and minister who denounce white people, his association with William Ayers, Farrakhan, and slumlord and indicted criminal Tony Rezko. I think you will have to turn a blind eye to Mr.Obama if you think he is clean.

Will, with the same poker analogy, the game still isn’t over. Many cards have not been dealt yet, and if one candidate see’s even a slim chance of winning, why should he/she quit. This contest will be decided by delegates at the convention, so neither Hillary or Barack will have enough pledged delegates. Why should either quit just because the other one wants them to?
If you are a Hillary supporter Barack is pulling the party down, if you are an Obama supporter Hillary is pulling the party down. I think it should be played all the way out. Hillary has nothing to lose at this point. I wonder though, does OBama?

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Ok, I looked at the link you sent to someone else. It didn’t mention that Hillary was one of 3 out of 100s of Watergate attorneys who was recommended at not for rehire by her supervisor, a Democrat, Jerry Zeiffman. He wrote a book about these events and Hillary is ethically challenged and lies.
So this link you had makes it look as though she had a big success there and she did not.
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LOL @ “ethically challenged.”
Some people don’t realize that a persons integrity is a valid characteristic to be scrutinized when you are considering someone to be the president.
I’m sure, since she was one of three out of 100′s, that means there was a vast media conspiracy against her.

You are correct Will, except for some darn reason, we are not allowed to scrutinize Obama’s integrity. Every time we do, we are called racists, and idiots, and nutjobs. He answers 8 questions on Rezko and runs away from reporters.
His integrity is one of the reasons I cannot ever vote for him. He is a Chicago politician, a wheeler-dealer and he is only out for himself. Why do I feel that way, because I was born and raised and lived in Chicago for 35 years. He did nothing to help the people of Illinois, the City of Chicago or his own district. He is not what he says he is. How is he going to change our country and the entire world in 4 years?
Google Obama/Rezko video.. see NBC’ Carol Marin video.

Is there something special about 35 years? Hillary says she has 35 years of experience and this hillary nut (jay) also says he has 35 years of chicago experience. give me a break!!!!!!

i have yet to look at Obama in depth – regarding my perception of his character. I do think character counts as much as anything in a President. The person in the oval office can get tons of advisor and reports but in the end we’re trusting them to do the right thing. Hillary’s history tells me that Hillary will do the politically expedient thing…what’s best for her and the people who finance her. People who know her way better than I, plus a lot of research, confirms this.
I’ve written her off.

Its so funny and at the same time sad to see that we democrats will be fighting like this between Obama and Hillary. One or the other has to give in. Once upon a time when M. Jordan was in Chicago Bulls, we used to feel great for the team. But now, we accept the fact and have moved on, without much worrying about why Bulls are not the winners. So too, for Hillary supporters, you know your candidate, your campaign and your stock is not doing well. Don’t join Hillary to go on the attack against other democrats. It will tear us apart. Who knows, if she can be pursuaded to give up gracefully, then she will keep the respect of the party and the Nation for the rest of her life. But if you all join her in tearing others out because of frustration, then we all will be the losers in November. Time to give up folks. Its not easy. Let the winner take it. And as it stands, don’t cheat the voters and steal the nomination for her. That is not right and we should never do it.

Jay,
You’re not the only one I’ve talked to who is from Chicago says negative things about Obama and that he isn’t what he seems. You sound like a reasonable and intelligent person and I appreciate your comments.
I am going look into Obama.
BTW, one candidate who has demonstrated a pretty good character is McCain. I understand there is a first in, first out rule in the military and the reason McCain refused to be released from the Hanoi Hilton when it was offered was because he wasn’t the first in and refused to jump the line ahead of his buddies. That was amazing, actually. It doesn’t make him perfect of course but that was a heck of a thing to do.

Will: All I am suggesting is Obama did nothing when he could have stepped in an help those people in his district in the substandard housing bought by Rezko with grants Obama assisted in procuring. Maybe Mr.Obama was a little too busy getting ready to run for President. I lived on the south side, I know the area very well, and there are many bitter people when it comes to that Rezko/Obama building deal.

Good Night Jay.

I tend to not care that much about Obama’s pastor nor did I care that much about what Geraldine said – people get worked up …etc.
Yes, Obama’s pastor is going too far with the race thing..but then I don’t know what it’s like to be black.
My interest is how the candidates react to challenges in their life…and what choices they make.
Hillary reacts too frequently by cheating and lying and trying to destroy those she sees as her opposition. She doesn’t react well to dissent.
Not sure about Obama yet. He seems to be more reasonable. One thing for sure, he had to do a lot of self-reflection with his background and then got himself to be the editor of the Harvard Law Review. No small accomplishment. His campaign has been well run and so far has surprised everyone, especially Hillary.
McCain seems to want to work things out for
what’s best for everyone – I say that because of all his bi-partisan bills he’s sponsored, often with a political cost to him from his base. McCain is tough, he knows how to hang in there and has proven that over and over.

I don’t believe that Javier Barden is a pageboy wearing murderous thug, he just played the part. And I don’t think that Clinton or Ferraro are racists. Clinton is a ruthless pol with a war-room style of politics. She knows how to win the rural white vote in Pennsylvania at any cost. Her campaign wrote the ugly script and cast the part beautifully. Ferraro, a loyal pol willing to take one for the team, played the part…End of ugly story.
I think Senator Kenedy gives compelling reason to reject this war-room style of politics when he said, “With Barack Obama we will close the book on the old politics of race against race, gender against gender, ethnic group against ethnic group, and straight against gay,”

Thank goodness there is time for people in PA and around the country to finally learn who the real Obama is. The msm is in the tank for Obama, but the local media, National Enquirer, and concerned voters will be able to educate people about this fraud. Now someone is finally taking a look at the racist church he attends.

Wouldn’t really use Paglia as an objective perspective on anyone, especially Hillary. CP is well-known critic of everyone who isn’t in her sphere, which per Wikipedia, would be …
” Her views on the legalization of recreational drugs and prostitution, and on the relaxation of sexual consent laws, are more libertarian. She is a strong critic of much of the feminism that began with Betty Friedan’s 1962 The Feminine Mystique and compared feminists — whom she considered to be victim-centered — to the Unification Church. At the same time Paglia’s embrace of fetishism, pornography, prostitution and, most prominently, male homosexuality, puts her at odds with the “family values” of American social conservatives.[5]
Her supporters (for different reasons) include Andrew Sullivan, Christina Hoff Sommers, Rush Limbaugh, Bill Maher, Matt Drudge and her Yale mentor Harold Bloom. Elise Sutton, a dominatrix advocating female domination of males, describes Paglia as a female supremacist and a friend.[6]“