Hillary Clinton’s “Ben Tre” Strategy?
She’s destroying the party in order to save it….that seems to be the conclusion of a some opinion writers this week…
Obama-backing former Sen. Gary Hary writes: "It will come as a surprise to many people that there are rules in politics. Most of those rules are unwritten and are based on common understandings, acceptable practices, and the best interest of the political party a candidate seeks to lead. One of those rules is this: Do not provide ammunition to the opposition party that can be used to destroy your party’s nominee. This is a hyper-truth where the presidential contest is concerned.
"By saying that only she and John McCain are qualified to lead the country, particularly in times of crisis, Hillary Clinton has broken that rule, severely damaged the Democratic candidate who may well be the party’s nominee, and, perhaps most ominously, revealed the unlimited lengths to which she will go to achieve power. She has essentially said that the Democratic party deserves to lose unless it nominates her."
Jonathan Chait notes that "Pennsylvania is a swing state that Democrats will almost certainly need to win in November, and Clinton will spend seven weeks and millions of dollars there making the case that Obama is unfit to set foot in the White House. You couldn’t create a more damaging scenario if you tried.
"Imagine in 2000, or 2004, that George W. Bush faced a primary fight that came down to Florida (his November must-win state). Imagine his opponent decided to spend seven weeks pounding home the theme that Bush had a dangerous plan to privatize Social Security. Would this have improved Bush’s chances of defeating the Democrats? Would his party have stood for it?"
And Peggy Noonan looks at the subject that dare-not-speak-its-name in the Democratic primaries — but will be screamed in the general election should Clinton be the nominee:
"it has long been agreed in the Democratic Party that one must not, one cannot, ever, refer to the long caravan of scandals that have followed the Clintons for 15 years. "We don’t speak of the Clintons that way."
"But why not? Everyone else does. Yes, the Obama sages will respond, that’s the point: Everyone knows about cattle futures, etc. Everyone knows that if you Yahoo "Clintons" and "scandals" you get 4,430,000 hits….But voicing the facts would violate party politesse. So he loses the No. 1 case against her. But by losing the No. 1 case, he loses the No. 2 case: that she is the most divisive figure in the country, and that this is true because people have reason to view her as dark, dissembling, thuggish…
"(T)he Clinton campaign, which has always been more vicious than clever, this week did a very clever thing. They pre-empted any criticism of past scandals by pushing a Democratic Party button called . . . the Monica story. Mr. Obama is ‘imitating Ken Starr’ by speaking of Mrs. Clinton’s record, said Howard Wolfson. But Ken Starr documented malfeasance. Mr. Obama can’t even mention it."
Obviously, not a balanced group of op-eds. But they touch on some interesting dynamics — thoughts?
- jpt
UPDATE: I originally misattributed the infamous "we had to destroy the village in order to save it" sentence to My Lai… As an astute (and no doubt smarter) reader points out, that phrase actually dealt with the destruction of the villege Ben Tre. I have since changed the headline. My error, and my apologies.
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Posted by: converse | March 8, 2008, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm
Why should we take them seriously. The pundits have bben wrong at every turn. They are so out of touch with real America it is frightening. Gary Hart? Why listen to him? Hillary Clinton is doing what’s best for the Country. Let Obama, Howard Dean, and the other far left liberals leave the party.
Posted by: geevill | March 8, 2008, 12:18 pm 12:18 pm
If Hilary Clinton wins, i will happily stay home………
Posted by: James | March 8, 2008, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm
I admire Senator Clinton. She’s tough and I hope she wins. I don’t want a president who hasn’t got a little scrap in him/her. Obama should go open a nice church somewhere, since what he really wants to be is a minister. I’m looking for a tough, hard as nails president who can clean house and take on the old boys in Washington. Politics is not a nice game, never has been and never will be.
Posted by: JJ | March 8, 2008, 12:25 pm 12:25 pm
Oh another male Obama supporter says Clinton needs to get out of the race.
Who does this guy think he is? The vast majority of Women, democrats and the working class have chosen HIllary, over 13 million votes, more than this man has ever gotten.
You know what happens when 2% of women who would otherwise vote democrat swing repulican because of the way this guy and Kerry and uncle Teddy and Party has treated Hillary. The Republicans win.
This guy needs to crawl back under the rock he came from, eventhough anytime a male Obama backer tells Hillary she needs to get out of the race for the good of the PArty women run to the polls to vote for her.
This garbage is so tiresome.
No one from Hillary’s campaign or her backers is telling Obama to get out of the race for the good of the PArty eventhough his insistence that Florida and Michigan dont count is tantemount to giving up the white house before the race has begun.
It is so low class and mysoginistic to say these things at this point in time, or ever for that matter. Its men like him and the Obama camp if anything that is tearing the PArty apart, because they dont want to count 2 million democratic votes. That will play well in the general. So will spending 35 million to make people vote twice and come up with esentially the same result.
This stuff just makes women’s blood boil. All the better for Hillary!
Posted by: s.b. | March 8, 2008, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm
I think the press has been afraid to stop on the Clinton’s toes. The Rezko incident has received uncountable headlines. The potential sum in question amounts to 150 thousand dollars most of which the Obama campaign has donated to charity. The Clinton scandals amount to tens of millions of dollars. I don’t understand how one can call himself a journalist and continue to proceed vetting these candidates in the same fashion.
Posted by: Daniel Georgiev | March 8, 2008, 12:33 pm 12:33 pm
HRC to BHO… “you take the high road and I’ll take the low, and I’ll be in Denver a’ fore you!” This visual is more complete when you picture Bill In a kilt playing the bagpipes.
Sen. McCain may want to re-tool his respectful debate stance.. it’s looking like it going to be Lady Macbeth come this fall. She has moved her campaign’s decency bar lower… and her constituants have gotten used to it.
The two men are faced with a nasty shrew who insults you and then says.. “you wouldn’t hit a lady, now would you?”
Posted by: smartprimate | March 8, 2008, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm
HILLARY CLINTON IS POISON. She’s so sick by her greed for power and it’s showing by how she’s destroying even her own party for it. She is an OLD WOMAN stuck in the OLD WAYS of politics. As John Edwards once called her, she is the STATUS-QUO. And if anyone left to voted wants this style of destructive politics to end, then vote against it…vote against her! You have the power to do it! As a woman, I hope for the day to finally see another woman become president…but Hillary Clinton is not that woman. She spits on women by accepting hundreds and thousands of dollars from a firm that sexually harrasses their female employees…and stubbornly refuses to give it back because she claims the trial is still on-going. She’d rather give the benefit of the doubt to the accusers instead of the women who are victims in all this…for money. She’s not the champion for us, ladies. There will come a day when a woman with strong values, uncorrupted character and a promising vision will come…but this woman is none of those things and therefore, LET’S NOT SETTLE! To reward her would mean, that it’s okay for corporations to treat women like crap, as long as they don’t get caught. That’s basically what Hillary is saying. LET’S NOT SETTLE!!!
Posted by: stacy | March 8, 2008, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm
I guess it makes good headlines for the main stream media to knock candidates from grace. Those that have already fallen, simply fall into the norm of Washington politics and where is the money in that (in the case of Senator Clinton, below the norm). Apparently, it does not make good headlines to report on millions of people being inspired and driven for the first time in their political lives. It does not make good headlines to deflate them back into apathy. If HRC is the candidate, I – a staunch democrat – am staying home.
Posted by: Daniel Georgiev | March 8, 2008, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm
Hillary thinks Obama can not win the General Election. Why don’t we end him right now? It is reasonable!
Posted by: Frank | March 8, 2008, 12:43 pm 12:43 pm
2009 and s.b,– you are right. Obama camp, his cult follower and Obama himself don’t have any real answers to serious questions, their answer is to bring back all the thing already said about the Clintons. Well all those are “old news” reviewed, scrutinized, judged and even prosecuted and they found nothing, nothing there. Now about Obama, how much to we know of him, he is a product of millions of dollars marketing his name, Obama brand and make him look like the new Messiah and only one able to “save the country.” That’s a fabricated fantasy, is like asking the biggest corporation or organization in the world to elect the CEO or President just based in promises, hype and propaganda. That will never happen in the real world! The Obama camp instead of attacking Hillary with the past, should start answering tue basic questions about Obama supporters, how he got where he is now so quick and without real merit, where is is voting record, the real one, who are the real “money” supporters, etc.
I live here in Chicago and I go to the same place he works out and socialize…and before this past year we never sought him as the Messiah or this “super hero,” he was a good guy, playing good basketball and mingling around with some people but we never saw him as this incredible leader that people are portraying him to be.
Please lets scrutinize him, he is running for the Presidency and not for the good boys club!
Posted by: MIke_Chgo | March 8, 2008, 12:47 pm 12:47 pm
Gary Hart need to go back to his little boat the Monkey Business that was really the last time he was even relevant. Peggy Noonan hates HIllary. So if I am to understand these opinions because Hillary doesnt drop out or if she doesnt do the Oprah love fest she’s damaging the party. Get Real…
Posted by: toby | March 8, 2008, 12:50 pm 12:50 pm
Answer this: if HRC is so dam tough, then why does her campaign play the victim card every time it’s presented? (“The boys are ganging up on her…” “The caucuses aren’t fair to her…” “The media ain’t giving her as much favorable coverage (Maybe it’s because you were the huge favorite and losing 11 contests in a row! Even Clinton PR people were struggling to spin that garbage positively). Larry David was right on the money when he touched on her Sybil-like personality. It applies to her campaign as well. She’s the toughest victim, a very warm and sympathetic dirty politician, a selfless advocate of the poor and youth and one of the most egotistical figures of her generation. The most qualified 1st lady in the history of the free world! She’s the best thing that ever happened to John McCain and the Republican party.
Posted by: Vision Quest | March 8, 2008, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm
Why are all these Obama supporter asking Hillary to back off when the same can be applied to Obama? And I’m so sick of all these personal name calling from Obama supporter…it does nothing good.
Posted by: Sammie | March 8, 2008, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm
I have always supported and defended the Clintons. Up till now, I have been in favor of either Hillary Clinton or Barrack Obama being nominated as the democratic candidate, though I leaned more toward Obama. Watching Hillary Clinton tear a member of her own party to shreds all in an effort to take over the nomination, though, has left me fearful that once again, the democrats are their own worst ememies. There seems to be no level to which she won’t stoop to achieve her goals. Obama may very well win the nomination in spite of her, but oh, the damage she will do in the interim. She has only her own interests at heart, not the party’s. We are headed now down a dangerous path that will open the door for another four years of Bush policies. This was the democrats race to lose, and lose they will if she continues to destroy her own party. First the democrats will self destruct, and then the nation will follow. The republicans are no doubt watching all this with glee, like manna from heaven. She is making their jobs extremely easy. Any support I have felt for her up to now is completely gone. I am totally disillusioned with her. And I fear for this country. Another “Bush” term scares me to death. If that happens, we can all thank Hillary Clinton. She might as well be running as a republican.
Posted by: T. cruce | March 8, 2008, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm
I think the people who are voting for Obama, already did.
I think that him (Obama) and his aides and advisors are doing a reayly good job damaging their own campaing, flip-flop on NAFTA,flip-flop on Irak are the most recent ones.
Posted by: pat | March 8, 2008, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm
You should stay home JAMES because like
the others who vote in CAUCUSES don’t
realy know politics.They like the way he
speaks.Get real he( obama)never pass any
legislation since he been in WASHINGTON,
and in the pass voted present 100 times.
So do you think he is ready to answer
that phone at 3:00 A.M.? WAKE UP AMERICA
and you JAMES and THINK,THINK HARD.
Posted by: baccarattwo | March 8, 2008, 12:57 pm 12:57 pm
Barack Obama has his advisers constantly go behind the American people’s back by telling other Nations that all of his proposals are just rhetorical, insults his follower’s intelligence and clearly flies in the face of his judgment and ability to actually choose those who will assist him as President.
Obama and his advisors are the damaging their own campaing.
Posted by: Pat | March 8, 2008, 12:57 pm 12:57 pm
Pat-
It turned out it was the Clinton Camp that contacted Canada about Nafta…idiot! Now what do you think about their flip-flopping on that. As for Iraq, it was Hillary who voted for it and because of her, thousands of our American soldiers are now dead…and she now says…”oops, if I knew then what I know now, I would have voted differently.” Talk about the ultimate flip-flopper. She sent soldiers into a war that never should have been fought, and now says she was wrong. YOU MORON!
Posted by: judy | March 8, 2008, 12:59 pm 12:59 pm
Pat-
It’s Clinton that’s insulting your intelligence. The same thing you’re accusing the Obama Camp of doing…your candidate is doing it as well! You’re confused!
Posted by: larry | March 8, 2008, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm
Obama is the “spoiler” – running for president with a flimsy record of “present votes” – it’s always easier to craft a persona than to defend a substantive record!
Clinton has been vetted and stood up to the republican attacks; she’s experienced, a fighter and resilient. He’s an untested puppy nipping at her heels.
P.S., who cares what Gary Hart thinks. He shot himself in the foot destroying his own candidacy. Now, if you’d like to share his wife’s observations, I might listen.
Posted by: twinmom48 | March 8, 2008, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm
It takes a different village, jpt:
“We had to destroy the village to save it” was said of Loc Ninh.
My Lai was the site of a massacre which was PHOTOGRAPHED, thereby becoming infamous.
Posted by: @T | March 8, 2008, 1:03 pm 1:03 pm
THE GREEDY CLINTON CAN’T WIN THIS NOMINATION.I HAVE NEVER SEEN SOME ONE WHO IS SO GREED FOR POWER LIKE HER. BUT SHE WILL LOSE IT AT THE END.SHE TINKS THAT SHE IS ALWAYS THE BEST OF SINGLE THING SHE DOES. ONE WHO FEELS THAT HE /SHE KONWS EVERYTHING KNOWS NOTHING.
Posted by: I.A.T Smith | March 8, 2008, 1:03 pm 1:03 pm
twinmom48-
Clinton is the spoiled brat who lost Iowa and now wants to change the rules that she agreed to long before the primaries started. Clinton is the spoiled brat who knew she was in trouble so she had her campaign start smearing Obama. Clinton is the spoiled brat who knows she might not win the nomination, so if she isn’t the democrat to win it, she’ll make damn sure no other democrat wins it. Clinton is the spoiled brat who acts like this is owed to her…lying about her own record and afraid to release her schedule during her years as a first lady. This is the woman you are supporting? She’s the spoiler!
Posted by: stacy | March 8, 2008, 1:08 pm 1:08 pm
I am at a loss for why all of these people are screaming about Clinton raising issues about Obama. She is asking questions that we all need answers to: “who are you, what do you really believe, and what are your plans”. She is asking questions the press chose to gloss over until she starting asking. He can, and should, ask the same of her. Anyone who thinks the Republicans won’t do the same and much worse (look at the idiot congressman from Iowa), is living in a fairy tale. We need to know how these candidates are going to handle this now, not after they become our nominee, because I guarantee you they are going to have to deal with it… and complaining about answering 8 questions on a subject you don’t want to talk about and walking out is not going to make it go away.
Posted by: lw | March 8, 2008, 1:12 pm 1:12 pm
The one silver lining in all of this garbage is (politics aside) the amusing prospect of Hillary Clinton and John McCain going toe to toe for 3 or 4 months. They both struggle to control their legendary tempers (please spare me the passionate arguments. they’re becoming cliche). If HRC wins the nomination, the DNC and RNC should pay Eminem for the rights to “The Anger Managment Tour!” Get your tickets now. I don’t think it will be as civil as Slick Willie Clinton predicted.
Posted by: Vision Quest | March 8, 2008, 1:12 pm 1:12 pm
I wish Obama had brought all new players to the game why all the old Democrats even older than Cinton
Posted by: Bishop | March 8, 2008, 1:13 pm 1:13 pm
clinton supporters seem to completely ignore all of the past scandals, underhanded politics, and complete hypocrisy. women supporters often claim that she is strong and good for women, yet hillary is the one that stood by a cheating husband to preserve her political career. a strong woman with spunk/fight/whatever would have stood up for herself and walked out on bill. the man chastised the american public, lying about not having sex, and was impeached because of it. how can you say that she is strong and stands up for women? how can you say that people are just bashing her because they are blindly following obama? clinton supporters have a conveniently short memory of their candidate and her “scorched earth” politics.
if she is such a strong candidate, why is she losing in the number of delegates, the number of states won, and the popular vote? why has she had to resort to this and not just stand on her record?
i think it has to do with her complete lack of character, morals and shame. look at the latest article on the tax stuff. this i didn’t know:
rom the page: “I’m a little busy right now; I hardly have time to sleep. But I will certainly work toward releasing [my tax returns], and we will get that done and in the public domain.”
–Hillary Clinton, MSNBC debate, Cleveland, Ohio, Feb. 26, 2008.
The Clinton camp has been trying to make hay on the income tax returns issue for weeks. During a campaign stop in Ithaca on July 7, the first lady said she found Lazio’s failure to make public his returns “frankly disturbing.”
–Associated Press report, Aug. 3, 2000.”
she can demand behavior by one candidate, yet completely ignore her own rules.
seriously… my biggest issue is her character. she has none. she has a sense of entitlement that is baffling. she is driven by enormous ego and blind ambition. i would rather take a risk on an unknown in obama. he may not turn out so great in the end… but we know EXACTLY what we are getting with the clintons.
Posted by: jim | March 8, 2008, 1:13 pm 1:13 pm
So, Gary Hart is trying to destroy HC to save BHO. Which part of the Dem Party is he trying to My Lai?
Posted by: esvida | March 8, 2008, 1:14 pm 1:14 pm
lw-
Then you ought to be asking why Hillary Clinton is so afraid to release her tax records, and schedule during the White House years, and the list of donors to the Clinton Library…and why her campaign is going behind the American people, talking to Canada about Nafta. Why aren’t you asking those questions, because you know the Republicans will.
Posted by: larry | March 8, 2008, 1:15 pm 1:15 pm
and I will stay home if Obama wins
Posted by: trouble | March 8, 2008, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm
About three years ago a well known televangelist, Perry Stone, told his congregation that God spoke to him and said Sen. Clinton will be the next President. There is nothing ABC News or the other networks can do to stop Sen. Clinton from becoming President.
Posted by: Brian | March 8, 2008, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm
esvida writes:
“So, Gary Hart is trying to destroy HC to save BHO. Which part of the Dem Party is he trying to My Lai?”
Posted by: @T | March 8, 2008, 1:19 pm 1:19 pm
jim, to blame Hillary for her husband cheating is stupid.
Posted by: Pat | March 8, 2008, 1:21 pm 1:21 pm
Brian-
has nothing to do with God. Maybe the devil.
Posted by: nsvp | March 8, 2008, 1:21 pm 1:21 pm
judy, are are the morom, and a loser.
Posted by: pat | March 8, 2008, 1:25 pm 1:25 pm
The Clinton scenario that the competitor is ill-equipped to run the highest office in the land is not a damaging scenario, only a truthful one. He is politically immature, and lacks the substance to pull off a leadership role. He could be mentored and she will be most effective in doing that. My opinion is just as valuable as Chait andd Noonan, and Gary Hart does not rise to the same league. You should post an article written by me as a counter to this crap.
Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | March 8, 2008, 1:25 pm 1:25 pm
Obama will unite the country, just like he’s uniting the Democrats!
Posted by: Terry | March 8, 2008, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm
If you look at the people voting for either candidate, it is the less educated, ignorant crowd that mostly supports Hillary. It is crowd that can be easily scared by the ads about attacks on America , and about economical debacle. In a true democracy people should vote without fear or favor. The politics of fear mongering has been in existence in America since decades and still continues to flourish. This is not true democracy, and it as good as Communism where you keep citizens in constant fear to get your political ways. Wakeup America for Your own good .
Posted by: mano | March 8, 2008, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm
I was working at caucuses in North Texas on Tuesday, and what I saw from the Clinton camp was appalling. Her supporters were actively targeting African American voters to misdirect them over caucus rules and generally working to generate confusion in an already disorderly process. The Clinton Attack Machine has now moved from attacking Obama to attacking his supporters. I don’t know if I can vote for her in the General Election anymore.
Posted by: camron | March 8, 2008, 1:31 pm 1:31 pm
I like the caucus format because it allows the more educated and dedicated voter to have a more influential voice in the voting process. Democracy only muddies the waters in primary elections by letting apathetic citizens a voice the process. We should be a country run by the intelligent and driven. Obama/Oprah ’08
Posted by: Tyrone Waters | March 8, 2008, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm
Larry
That is my point. Both sides need to answer the tough questions now, and your guy should not get a pass just because you like his speeches. I am not whining about you wanting Clinton to release tax returns and other information, or about the Republican laundry list of inquiries from the Clinton years… I know we would hear about them again next fall if she is the nominee. Why should you complain when Obama is asked about Rezko and his sweetheart deal on his home, his wife’s very generous raise when he became Senator, his wife’s refusal to release her college thesis or to even recall what it was about, or his habit of blaming conflicting information on other people in his campaign when someone says something that gets him in trouble(lots of misunderstandings in the Obama campaign)? Clinton has already made him a much better candidate than he was when he started (just look at the debates)… people need to get the questions answered so he can have moved past them if he is the nominee when McCain and the Republicans open up fire in the fall.
Posted by: lw | March 8, 2008, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm
This is the problem….according to the “data” given to us by the news media’s exit polls, Obama’s support is heavily African American and upper income higher educated people. (I personally resent this as I know many “educated” people who support HIllary Clinton) Hillary’s comes from Latinos, working class, middle aged and older women, and seniors. Look at their support…the people who are voting for Hillary vote for her because they know how hard it is to raise a family now, they are the ones who are, or who have, had to work 1 or more jobs their whole lives just to survive. They vote based on reality and practicality, and the majoritiy are not simply voting for her based on her gender. Sen. Obama’s, by all admissions from many of his supporters and in the news media, vote for him because he gives inspiration, is black and has very liberal views. His voters vote based on idealogy. In a perfect world, idealogy is wonderful, but right now it doesn’t help those of us who struggle with medical insurance, college tuition for our kids, everyday living expenses, taxes, and other issues too numerous to mention. Say what you will about either Clinton, the 90′s were very good to many people who have now turned their backs on them because it is the cool or pc thing to do now. All of those who were given a hand up by the Clinton’s should be ashamed of themselves for jumping ship and not voting based on who the best person for the job RIGHT NOW is, but on what they think will be more history making. I do like Sen. Obama, but think his time would have been better spent accumulating more governmental and issue related experience than running for office every 2 years to try and expediate his Presidential aspirations. Those who complain about Hillary dividing the party should stop and think that Sen. Obama has done the same thing.
Posted by: Deb IL | March 8, 2008, 1:43 pm 1:43 pm
1. If Hillary’s idea of “mentoring” the “less experienced” candidate is by drenching him with mud and innuendo, wonder how she’ll “care for” the American people as President.
2. Questioning the source of funding for the Clinton library is not attacking the wrong Clinton. It is a family business and a co-Presidency that’s on the ticket.
Posted by: FLRepublican | March 8, 2008, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm
Pat and the rest who think people are blaming Hillary for Bill cheating…stop. They are not blaming his cheating.
The only reason the lying thing is an issue with this campaign… is because Hillary is running partly (not all but partly) on her husband’s administration.
Please don’t say she is not at all, that is disingenuous. His administration has a lot with it… and many believe it is the reason a bafoon like George Bush got in office.
…and why shouldn’t Barack be Hillary Clinton’s VP …two words and a number…
Al Gore 2000
There are too many questions about Hillary and no matter how many times somebody wants to say it…they have not all been vetted…and many that have been resulted in lawsuits and fines…. or someone dying.
Posted by: dl | March 8, 2008, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm
Does Mr. McCain really can afford to spend 780 Million dollars a day in Iraq for next hundred years? Mr. McCain is really an older, a fuzzier and more of a tempestuous version of Mr. Bush. While we spend on so much on foolish political misadventures overseas, United States is becoming a third world country domestically. Our economy is in shambles, dollar has declined so badly has never been before, lost the power and prestige in the world. US is crying out for a wise and prudent domestic and foreign policy. For example, US is in infant mortality is 40th in the world, our longevity is 41 in the world, not to mention, education, healthcare, infrastructure, and by all the standards of measurements, like it or not, United States is quickly becoming a part of the third world. Spending money on the military cannot save us. All you have to do is to take drive across the border to Canada to witness how badly American standards have declined. US is increasingly becoming more like Mexico than Canada. Mr. McCain’s plan to continue the same ill- conceived Bush-Republican policies such to keep the war going in Iraq and make the tax cuts for the rich permanent would guarantee the further decline of American power, prestige and prosperity. We need Hillary Clinton more than ever to be our president and end this Republican nightmare!
Posted by: charleschaplin | March 8, 2008, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm
…and Pat there was 4 or 5 witnesses to Brodie saying the Clinton campaign called before his boss’ office put out the memo yesterday.
Posted by: dl | March 8, 2008, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm
Do not provide ammunition to the opposition party that can be used to destroy your party’s nominee. This is a hyper-truth where the presidential contest is concerned. so says former Sen. Gary Hary!
First off, Obama is not the Party’s nominee as of today, but it is alright to distort things!
It is alright for your candidate to say things even on debates like:
Status Quo
Likeable enough
Polarizing
Former Sen. Gary Hary, you forget these words by your own Candidates lips? There a double standard in this election season? The people don’t think so, that is why the majority of voters according to the ABC numbers shows so!
False accussations is becoming the norm for Camp Obama, this the sort of change to believe in? Sorry but people are now questioning and thinking and voting against the empty words!
Posted by: Clear Choice | March 8, 2008, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm
After seven disasterous years with Bush/Cheney I would never have thought that the Democratic Party would have let this happen.
Perhaps too many party long-timers are worried that Obama’s “Change” will cut off their back-door incomes. It certainly doesn’t seem to be in the best interest of the party to see this continue.
Just look at the vindictive comments made in this thread – o’yeah, I forget – just like in Texas, you don’t have to be a registered Democrat to vote in this public polling place.
Posted by: dennis | March 8, 2008, 1:53 pm 1:53 pm
just imagine what would happen if Hillary would steal the nomination -
we would have our Blue Revolution in the USA!
MILLIONS of people will march to Washington!
Posted by: judd | March 8, 2008, 1:53 pm 1:53 pm
Hilary keeps harping that Barack Obama
has no experience in foreign affairs . . and she does? Visiting other countries with your husband, the President, counts for dealing with foreign countries? Being 1st lady doesn’t count much in my opinion. For that matter, did George Bush have any experience with dealing with foreign countries? How is someone suppose to get experience unless given a chance to?
Years ago, I had a enough money in a bank to pay for a car I was trying to buy but decided to only use part of my ssavings as a down payment so I could establish my credit. The bank turned me
down because I had no established credit! I closed my account and took my bbusiness to a bank, who took me on no questions asked and paid off the loan on time and established my credit. They gave me a chance on good faith! I
think Obama deserves one too!
Posted by: sharon | March 8, 2008, 1:53 pm 1:53 pm
To “mano”; Many of the voters in Ohio may be less sophisticated than those on either coast. However, we know a great candidate when we see one. As goes Ohio, so goes the election. We are hard working, educated, family oriented constituents. We are patriotic and proud. A large majority of voters in Ohio made their voices clear when they voted for Mrs. Clinton last week. Trust me when I say the voters in Ohio are not motivated by fear nor are we ignorant. We are informed and realize the Mr. Obama is not ready to be President. Perhaps in eight years with more real experience under his belt he will be ready. But pretty speeches and promises that can’t be kept are not what recovers a country. It’s experience and savvy. It’s Hillary Clinton. And btw, I have a masters degree in education and if you look hard enough, I imagine you’ll find that a great many people who voted for Mrs. Clinton are well educated beyond a high school diploma. We may be ignorant to think that people will finally see the light and vote the best way for the country, but only in that way can we be called as such.
Posted by: ohiovoter | March 8, 2008, 1:55 pm 1:55 pm
Hillary is entrenched for 35 years and doesn’t even have loyalty to the democratic party. She trashing the last best chance for a win in the fall by attacking Obama. He’s the better candidate – he can raise money, inspire people, and bring millions on to defeat the republicans. HRC is putting herself in the same corner with McCain – ironic in that they are both old school cronies, not representitive of change but just the same old politics.
I hope the best of people come out and they see that in Obama. He’s clearly miles ahead of them in character.
Hillary is behaving as the kid we all knew in grade school – who would kick you in the shin or pull your hair and then go crying to the teacher when you retaliate. Pitiful.
Posted by: Lynne | March 8, 2008, 1:58 pm 1:58 pm
Pretend your blind, put all three candidates on a corruption scale…so McCain would be at the top of the corruption scale for lobbyists and lying multiple times publicly, Clinton would be second for pre-politics scandals, whitewater, lying and indictments and then Barack Obama is last….becuase he has not done anything….oh, and if you say Rezko; his charges do not include obama, the media only reports that he bought a house from him…..
Posted by: Oregon4Obama | March 8, 2008, 2:03 pm 2:03 pm
Hell yeah she is going for blood. She only cares about Hillary and damn the rest of us. Her collective efforts are destroying the Democratic party, and IF she figures a way to STEAL this nomination, I will never EVER vote for Democrat ever again.
Posted by: Shelby | March 8, 2008, 2:03 pm 2:03 pm
Clear choice
I’ll say it again… I worried at the beginning about Hillary running and her really sketchy shadow stuff that we are not allowed to talk about…but I supported her and Barack and Joe Biden when they were gearing up for NH…(in fact I registered with her first)…
Then I saw them all many times over the year and saw there was somebody who might bring us somewhere else finally…foolish at first but then listened to his reasoning (which luckily in NH we got to if you were so inclined)
I thought this primary would pass and we would miss the bullet of Hillary’s “lists”
I thought as a clear other choice came up the ranks…”whew, all the skeletons were not going to come out”
But then I realized not everyone gets to see them up close and hear them in person…they rely on there images and memories and the light that seemed to be back at the beginning of this tunnel…
…and those people (maybe like yourself) are so defensive of the Clintons from years of arguments with the republicans… you are immediately defensive…and selectively forgetful.
Hillary’s campaign is throwing stones now…and has thrown Barack’s name (and truly our only chance to win…because the Republicans are going to destroy Hillary on these exact issues that we all turn a blind and politicized eye to)… they are trying to trash him…that is what they need to do.
but Hillary is throwing stones at the only other man left on her team while standing in a mine field.
Someone needs to point out the minefield.
Posted by: dl | March 8, 2008, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm
NO COUNTRY FOR OLD WOMAN…and Hillary is certainly that…OLD style of politics, OLD style of ideas, OLD!
Posted by: stacy | March 8, 2008, 2:07 pm 2:07 pm
America wants somebody as tough as our current President. They want someone who can get down in the mud and sling it with gusto. We don’t need any fancy pants intelligent person with a background in Constitutional Law leading this country. We need someone like her who failed her first bar exam and then got it from Arkansas. We need someone like Clinton who can lie, cheat, and steal as well as any man. We need someone who has the backing of the military industrial complex with 30 generals supporting the hawkish ambitions of Clinton. We need the screaming and the Sybil-like multiple personality aspirations of power! We need Hillary to further the lies and deception of the last 8 years and bring this country to a world war by antagonizing every other country in the world the same way she runs a campaign, the old-fashioned way, beat them to a pulp. That’s what America wants! That what America shall have. We want to see bloody, burnt bodies on the campaign trail. We can’t have this namby-pamby debate focused issue oriented crap that Obama is pushing. How could anyone want that? It is so totally boring! Bring on the lies! Bring on the spin! Bring on the fear! That is what we Americans crave! We shall not be denied our ‘ounce of flesh’ (Shakespeare)!
Posted by: Midwesterner | March 8, 2008, 2:08 pm 2:08 pm
My fellow Democrats,
I love you all.
Chill!
Posted by: Randy | March 8, 2008, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm
Spin – the Clintons and their entourage are best at spin. They can take any story and spin it to their favor. It’s all words – ironic!
Posted by: Lynne | March 8, 2008, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm
Funny how people cannot handle the truth about their candidate, when exposed and will do or say anything, meanwhile forgetting the truth!
Talking on Iowa and Vermont wins by stacking caucus’s, forgetting the intimidations being reported widely at caucus’s which favored Obama?
Now look at the map of real voting, where one vote means one vote, who has won the majority of those contests, Clinton!
Posted by: Clear Choice | March 8, 2008, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm
Clear choice…sad…just sad.
Posted by: dl | March 8, 2008, 2:13 pm 2:13 pm
Hillary is trying to damage Obama to the degree that he won’t be a viable candidate against her or the Republicans. Utterly despicable.
Posted by: ed | March 8, 2008, 2:16 pm 2:16 pm
judd “just imagine what would happen if Obama would steal the nomination -
we would have our Women,Latinos and Poor people Revolution in the USA!
MILLIONS of people will march to Washington!
Posted by: Steve | March 8, 2008, 2:17 pm 2:17 pm
Obama cannot not win against Clinton, how can he win against maCain?
Posted by: noah | March 8, 2008, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm
Strange headline to this story. I thought Obama’s woman just got fired for denigrating Hillary. The headline is factually out of sync with these developments. Try again.
Posted by: benvictor | March 8, 2008, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm
The way Hillary sees it is – either she’s the candidate or no one. I think her strategy is to tear Obama down to the point that it would be easier for McCain to defeat him in November. Then at least she would have another run at in 2012. It’s becoming so apparent that she has placed the good of the party below the whims of her own extra large ambitions. Why would we want a person who couldn’t manage her own highly anticipated and popular candidacy to what should had been a slamdunk nomination.
I always liked the woman but it’s so sad to see how ugly she has become.
Posted by: Rialb58 | March 8, 2008, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm
Obama is not a messiah. He’s a Chicago politician who knows full well how to play the game. What do we know about him except for his ambition to be president and his feelings of entitlement to that position. He needs to be thoroughly vetted. We might find out that he is a complete sham.
Posted by: nonna | March 8, 2008, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm
I have always voted Democratic in presidential elections in the past. However after the tactics used by the Clintons, I wont vote Democratic if Clinton is the nominee. I’m a middle aged white guy from the mid-west. The Clintons make me ashamed to be a democrat.
Posted by: Tom | March 8, 2008, 2:25 pm 2:25 pm
What is it that makes Ohio so important? How does a beat up state with no 21st Century initiatives, ancient dying factories, and a lousy economy now for decades, determine who should be the Democratic Nominee? How do we skip Wyoming and Miss, and look ahead to PA? Doesnt EVERY State matter? Is Hillary trying to understand the will of the people, or simply targeting “big” states to get elected? Not only is this her only focus, the Press is playing along with her. Lets STOP the focus on “Big” states and appreciate the votes from ALL States. Every State counts. The Candidate with the MOST States and the MOST votes, should win. Plain and simple.
America will not accept a stolen election.
Posted by: Shelby | March 8, 2008, 2:26 pm 2:26 pm
Let’s be real. Clinton supporters know full well the scandals that have followed her for 16 years. But, the fact of the matter is that she handles her business. Her healthcare plan covers everyone. Obama’s does not. Even John Edwards criticized Obama’s plan. During the debates, Obama just ditto’s her answer. She answered the Putin question and he didn’t contribute anything substantial. She is just the smarter and more detailed candidate. Finally, she has been an effective children’s advocate for decades. Look at the policies she created. So, if she is able to garner half the party with all that baggage, she must be doing something right. People criticize her for going negative and not running on her platform, but the reality is people are voting on speeches and not the issues. Dems, let’s kiss and make up.
Clinton/Obama 2008/2012
Posted by: septemberlucy | March 8, 2008, 2:26 pm 2:26 pm
Unfortunately if Clinton wins, the Democrats will lose. And there will be another 4 yrs of Republican rule. Sad, her viciousness saddens me.
Posted by: saddie | March 8, 2008, 2:27 pm 2:27 pm
Why do we continue down this same path? McCain is going to win because the party has now been divided. Will we all forget about our children and what it will mean to them if we elected another Clinton into the white house. Do we want our childern and their childern to think it’s okay to elect a president or 1st husband with no morals or values. By electing Mrs. Clinton you get both no matter how you look at it. I don’t believe either one of them has changed. The same things that happened during his time in office will continue to happen if she is elected. The only way she will get into the white house is if they manage to buy the superdelegates. Is that what you want for our country?
Posted by: kathi | March 8, 2008, 2:27 pm 2:27 pm
Fellow PROGRESSives,
Change takes courage and hope. Don’t let fear extinguish your passion for change, belief in a new way of politics and vision of a greater America.
You have two choice,
fear
or hope.
Period.
Posted by: Progressivism | March 8, 2008, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm
Noah
If you break down the state numbers and compare them with the last two presidential elections and see where Hillaries “strengths” where she won by one-4 percentage points most of the time…and you look at Barack’s…the states that are going to be big swing this time around the democratic numbers are double the republicans… they have their work cut out for them… and if they don’t Hillary has a very small margin…and she empowers there base …more than ours obviously
It is the challenge states like north carolina or even georgia…there are probably 115 new “swing” and challenge states…
Barack carried most of those handily…and when you total them they are what wins us the nomination…
and lost it for us last time.
Posted by: dl | March 8, 2008, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm
septemberlucy
ditto
Posted by: lw | March 8, 2008, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm
What About Obama Chief foriegn policy adviser Stating Troops Will Not Come as Soon as planned? Nafta Issues in Canada? Farrakan? His All Black Church And His Minister Aligned to Farrakan? His Avoidance of The Larry Sinclair Issue? His not Organizing a Comprehensive meeting o Afgahnistan Because too busy running his Campaign? Much More to come FOLKS!
Posted by: Reflective | March 8, 2008, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm
Brilliant, insightful and painfully accurate pieces, one and all.
Thanks, Jake, for bringing them to the attention of the “wider World.”
Posted by: Mark | March 8, 2008, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm
Obama called Hillary the following names;
– old and represent the past
– divisive
– unelectable
– liar
– untrustworthy
– crook
– secretive
Clinton called Obama the following;
– unfit as commander in chief
– inexperienced
– good speaker but short on action
Now, which attacks are more personal and vicious? You decide.
Posted by: Sam | March 8, 2008, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm
Hillary Clinton is merely Karl Rove in a peach pantsuit.
THINK, people. *THINK.*
Posted by: adam | March 8, 2008, 2:32 pm 2:32 pm
Hillary:
Is trying to win and she will tell the “super delegates” since Obama did not win early he cannot win in November because he needs time to win over voters. She will slime McCain to win or let Obama fail. She and her tribe don’t care.
Posted by: Hillary DestroyObamas | March 8, 2008, 2:32 pm 2:32 pm
Ed, do you think McCain is going to ask Obama whether or not he’s ready to be CIC?
Btw, Ed, the democrats have given both Fl and MI to the republicans, Obama’s policy adviser called the Ohio folks stupid for voting Hillary which McCain will replay over and over again causing Ohio voters to lean republican. There are no caucuses in the general to run up the score, and McCain is very strong with Latinos along with Arnold in California putting that state into play. So, ED, what you’re strategy for winning the White House?
Posted by: Dogsoldier | March 8, 2008, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm
dl – interesting theorys but you tend to leave something out, those thing of the past were vetted for the most part, by the worst kind of Republican tactics and yet didn’t tarnish a thing!
Name one thing Clinton has done negatively and before you say the 3AM ad, remember that asked a simple question and was not a direct attack on anyone, after all this is what the entire campaign season is about isn’t it?
So what else, NAFTA gate, well that has been proven only one doing the wink wink was Obama, not Clinton! Meanwhile disproven fliers by Obama continue being sent out as well as distortion continually even by this former Sen. Gary Hary stating Obama is the nominee!
Then those who defend, I guess is the right word to use, Obama throw out Clinton staying in a failed marriage with a cheating husband for political reasons show how low they will go, not knowing anything that transpired between them as to what or why the marriage continues, but cudo’s to them for their ability to read peoples minds I guess!
I will admit, I was for Obama in the early stages, but turned on two major things, first one being the occurance in NH when Bill Clinton talked about Obama’s Iraq speech and his subsiquent stances on it being a “fairy tale”, so doing some looking, wondered why Obama never talked about telling Tim Russert in 2004 if he was a US Senator at the time of the vote how he would have voted, and his rely of “I don’t know” which seemed plausable at the time, not being privy to all the goings on in Washington at the time!
But then Michelle Obama came out and attacked Bill Clinton with “is it a fairy tale for a black man to become President”, well that really cast some doubts right then!
Then the exposed memo by Camp Obama on turning the MLK statements in SC into racial overtones was disgusting and showed a pattern what was simply trash!
Subsiquent to that, the actions had spoken for themself as to why this guy is not ready or able in my opinion to bring anything but defeat and when the Rezko thing appeared and the denials and lies over it, the boat sunk completely!
Posted by: Clear Choice | March 8, 2008, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm
obama will be slammed and canned by the republicans if he makes it to the general election. he’ll be DOA.
Posted by: greg rose | March 8, 2008, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm
I HAVE LOST ALL RESPECT I HAD FOR HILARY AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS RACE. WHAT IS SAD IS THAT PEOPLE ARE STILL NOT WAKING UP TO SEE HOW DIVISIVE HILLARY HAS RUN HER CAMPAIGN. SHE CLAIMS 35YRS OF DEMOCRATIC PARTY EXPERIENCE WHILE SHE IS TEARING THE PARTY DOWN JUST SO SHE CAN WIN. SOMEONE SAID ”MONSTER” AND THEY WERE RIGHT. THE TRUTH HAS TO BE TOLD.
Posted by: ISAAC | March 8, 2008, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm
Hey Sue, you might be just like the Obama campaign, no facts, just emotional blather. You can learn something from Dogsoldier if you pay attention.
Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | March 8, 2008, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm
If Hillary wins will she run this country like she ran her campaign? We might as well be living in a third world or communist country. She has no respect for the American people or the democratic process. She is evil.
Posted by: Janet from NH | March 8, 2008, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm
nonna writes:
“What do we know about him except for his ambition to be president and his feelings of entitlement to that position.”
Posted by: @T | March 8, 2008, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm
See all, this is called the Burn Down the House Strategy. I wrote about it yesterday.
Absent a Macaca Moment, Hillary can’t catch up to O. You know the Math is pretty easy to run. If she can’t catch up to O, she’s gotta steal the nomination at the convention in 2008. Or she can regroup and try to deny McCain reelection in 2012.
Posted by: The Commander Guy | March 8, 2008, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm
Hillary = Lieberman
She is thirsty for power.
She can as far as bringing the whole Democratic party if they can’t nominate her.
What a pity for a loser!
Do us a favor Hillary…get out of the race now before it is too late.
Posted by: NiceKId | March 8, 2008, 2:47 pm 2:47 pm
Hillary is nothing more than “Karl Rove in a peach pants suit”
Adam, I LOVE THAT line!!!
Obama 08′
Posted by: Shelby | March 8, 2008, 2:48 pm 2:48 pm
It is time for John Edwards, Bill Richardson, & Joe Biden to get on board with Obama and get this unstoppable train back on track.
Posted by: malthusian77 | March 8, 2008, 2:48 pm 2:48 pm
PMO: Officials only got briefing from Obama campaign
The Canadian Press
March 7, 2008 at 5:04 PM EST
OTTAWA — Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton never gave Canada any secret assurances about the future of NAFTA such as those allegedly offered by Barack Obama’s campaign, Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s office said Friday
BREAKING NEWS! OBAMA CAMP IS LYING ABOUT CLINTON TALKING TO CANADA.
Posted by: CHASSEUR | March 8, 2008, 2:48 pm 2:48 pm
Sam, I’m interested in your comments. Obama called Clinton “a crook”? Can you reference that one, with a date and a source or do you just make it up as you go along?
Posted by: Mara | March 8, 2008, 2:49 pm 2:49 pm
I’ll try this again. Janet from NH and other Obama supporters. Can you all try thinking like a democrat for a moment? Now, the democrats have given both Fl and MI to the republicans, Obama’s policy adviser called the Ohio folks stupid for voting Hillary which McCain will replay over and over again causing Ohio voters to lean republican. They do not like to be dissed. There are no caucuses in the general to run up the score, and McCain is very strong with Latinos along with Arnold in California putting that state into play. So, I’d be interested in your version of you’re strategy for winning the White House?
Posted by: Dogsoldier | March 8, 2008, 2:49 pm 2:49 pm
Barack won Texas!!
Posted by: Jack | March 8, 2008, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm
The Clinton spin machine thinks we’re all too stupid to research. They think we’re the generation that if it’s in the news it must be true or thinking name recogition is all we need.
Come on people – politics needs a shake up not a trip to the past. Believe me – the old guard will be changing with a new leader in charge.
Ok – so Obama’s nice. Let’s say instead of billions to the iraq war, we sent a third of that out in humanitarian aid. Then the US would be on the high road and people all over the planet wouldn’t be plotting our demise.
American’s are good-hearted generally, but the politics that represents us around the world most often is not. I want a government that represents the best of America, not the worst.
Best = obama
worst = hillary/mccain
Posted by: Lynne | March 8, 2008, 2:51 pm 2:51 pm
Obama’s Net Worth 1.5M
Clinton’s Net Worth 50M
Hillary, share your TAX Returns and also lets see which Corporation and Donors gave Millions to the Clinton Libray in exchange for Favors, Pardons, Gifts, Federal funds, and Tax Breaks.
This make Rezko look like mouse nuts.
THIS is what America needs to know!!!
Who is paying for Hillary’s run to Power???????
Posted by: Shelby | March 8, 2008, 2:53 pm 2:53 pm
Obama’s strategy to deny MI & FL
Obama is sending out signals that they will reject Florida and Michigan having a new election, while at same time rejecting the notion that either MI or FL should have their votes counted toward the Democratic nomination.
Why is Obama scared to have a new election in Florida and Michigan?
Posted by: pat | March 8, 2008, 2:53 pm 2:53 pm
A reminder:
HILLARY RODHOM CLINTON = JOE LIEBERMAN
Posted by: NiceKid | March 8, 2008, 2:55 pm 2:55 pm
The most experinced candidate was Bill Richardson, but he is not black
Posted by: steve | March 8, 2008, 2:55 pm 2:55 pm
“Scorched earth,” “politics of personal destruction,”… HRC has engaged in it all starting with the coordinated effort to perpetuate the “drug” talk about Obama, HRC staffers spreading the “muslim” rumors via email, pigeon-holing Obama as the “Black candidate,” etc. Any Democrat who does not undersatnd and see now that HRC and Bill couldn’t care less about the Democratic Party’s well-being and that they are only concerned with their long held desire for power… at any cost, is delusional and HRC apologists.
What’s interesting in light of HRC’s disgusting denigration of Obama the candidate, the U.S. Senator, the man, is that HRC would consider Obama for her VP. The threshhold question for choosing a VP is picking someone who will be ready to be POTUS should circumstances require they step in. Apparently HRC must really think that Obama is ready on day one afterall.
Obama has to learn to turn these arguments to his favor.
Posted by: Eyzwidopn | March 8, 2008, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm
OBAMA WINS TEXAS!!!
Ok – I decided to write the headline so it’s not exactly on the LAST page. =)
Posted by: Lynne | March 8, 2008, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm
Dogsoldier…you really need to go down the trends of each state for the past few elections…look at the numbers that people came out for and you will see that Hillary does not “deliver”(a 1-5% lead over barack is not delivery…because barack is in essence just as strong in those states for all intensive purposes…they are almost tied…and I would say that in states the other direction too)besides Ohio and we will see about Penn….look at all the states and their numbers …you brought up california…and how you think that it would go McCain if Barack were the nominee…look at the past two elections and the numbers that came out democrat vs. republican… we are not going to lose that state…
…and with barack we may gain a bunch of states that were close but went republican last time…that Barack significantly won in the primaries…
these are the states that cost us the election in 2000 and 2004…not California or Massachusetts…these states are going to go democrat…
The biggest influence we may lose with… over throw by superdelegates weakening our own and Hillary strenthening their base.
but go compare all the numbers from the priimaries this year with the last few presidential elections… and the numbers of people switching over to the democratic party.
Posted by: dl | March 8, 2008, 2:58 pm 2:58 pm
If Obama were a white male or Latino, he will not stand a chance against Hillary. Look at Edwards, Richardson.
Posted by: pat | March 8, 2008, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm
PS – freeme, what exactly is HRC’s actual experience? Rumsfeld, Cheney, etc., have all had first row seats to the WH for years and been in close quarters with a number of presidents, yet their experience didn;t add up to a hill of beans when it came to making sound judgment calls.
HRC’s “vicarious experience” doesn’t make her any more qualified to be POTUS than Obama. If you look at what they’ve actually accomplished in the U.S. Senate, in his 3+ year Senate career, Obama has passed more legislation/bills and has his name attahced to more legislation as sponsor or co-sponsor than HRC does. Do some research.
Posted by: Eyzwidopn | March 8, 2008, 3:05 pm 3:05 pm
This is a very lamb argument. If Clinton can raise double about Obama, think about what the Republican, Carl Rove can do. There is no swift boat, Willie Horton strategy yet in the primary. They will try everything possible to win the generation election.
Regardless who win the nomination, I want both are well test and prepare for the generation. Bring it on, both side. The winner will be much stronger to face McCain.
Posted by: asianmalesmoker | March 8, 2008, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm
OBAMA HAS EXPERIENCE ON THE ECONOMY AND FOREIGH POLICY, HE KEPT AFLOAT THE COLOMBIAN ECONOMY IN THE 1980′s.
I was a good decade for the Medellin Cartel.
Hahahaha
Posted by: steve | March 8, 2008, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm
What shadowy figures has Bill Clinton been paling around with (and potentially doing sketchy business deals with) in his years since leaving the White House?
And did any of Bill’s potential “funny money” fund Hillary’s five-million-dollar “donation” to her own campaign?
And how very slippery was team Clinton’s precise language in informing us that they “hope” to release her much-awaited tax returns “sometime around” April 15? June 17 is “sometime around” April 15. Is THAT when they intend to release them? Or perhaps on November 8….
Democratic voters want to know, please.
Posted by: Mark | March 8, 2008, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm
So many of the comments on this board accurately reflect the demographics of Clinton’s supporters vs Obama’s supporters; Clinton supporters are significantly less educated, and here it shows and glows like dumb on Bush or neon in Vegas. They don’t realize that she’s exploiting their relative ignorance to serve her pathological sense of entitlement to be President. This candidate is scary ambitious.
She apparently never expected Barack Obama to be much of an obstacle to her getting the Democratic nomination, but when he caught up and slipped ahead of her, she clearly lost her balance, and any sense of fair play. Trying to retroactively change the rules for the Florida and Michigan primaries, where Obama’s name wasn’t even on the ballot and where he didn’t campaign, as per mutual arrangement, is indefensible. We’ve had enough of politicians not playing by the rules in the current administration, and I for one will not elect another ambitious cheater with a sense of entitlement.
Another dangerous quality in a President is not being able to control your temper when things don’t go your way, and not knowing how to pick your fights in the first place.
Remember after (the first) Super Tuesday when she held that press conference to express her moral outrage at the Obama mailers that compared their healthcare plans? The woman practically went POSTAL, wild-eyed, red-faced, absolutely LIVID, and over what? The fact that he drew the logical and probably accurate conclusion that there would be some penalty for not purchasing the mandated Clinton National Insurance she plans to require everyone to purchase? If she loses it that badly over something like that, she’s just too volatile to be a levelheaded President. Unless she’s in front of thousands of Hillary-sign-carrying supporters, since she fell behind she’s often been one tick away from a full-on tantrum. And it’s NOT gender-bias- John McCain’s almost as bad.
Personally, as a 57-yr old female Democrat, I’ve been waiting DECADES for our first female (and/or non-white) President- I’d hoped Barbara Jordan in particular (or maybe Ann Richards) would want the job, but they didn’t. And while Hillary Clinton fills the bill as a woman, unfortunately she is a deeply flawed candidate, a fact she proves by breaking (or trying to break) the written and unwritten rules of Presidential primaries, and giving McCain daily ammunition to use against Obama in the general election if he wins the nomination, defiantly throwing the whole Democratic party under the bus for not just “crowning her” President.
She’s as much of a “situational ethicist” as McCain, with a similar temper and the Bush-Cheney sense of entitlement to break the rules. So even though I was working for Eugene McCarthy before Hillary switched from being a Republican, if the Superdelegates hand her the nomination, I may very well vote, with a heavy, heavy heart, for McCain.
Posted by: flora68 | March 8, 2008, 3:09 pm 3:09 pm
This is a race for US Preidency, Hillary being a woman must fight and fight hard. Democratic party will be stronger as a result. She is facing a candidate with ZERO credentials and billion dollar backing from Hollywood politicians like Oprah. I think she is doing an excellent job with nickel and dime contributions. She represents the ordinary people not OBAMA who represents Oprah, Rosco, etc.
Posted by: Sam | March 8, 2008, 3:09 pm 3:09 pm
Legit questions on NAFTA, Iraq, Rezko, etc. Obama needs to do a 60 Minutes “Gennifer Flowers” type 1-hour interview where he addresses all of those issues once and for all, head on, so he can move on and let the American people decide on his integrity based on those answers. He can’t keep letting MSM and HRC dictate how those subjects will be handled or when they’ll pop up without taking the steam out them by getting ahead of it.
Posted by: Eyzwidopn | March 8, 2008, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm
Dl there will be no caucuses in the general. Need proof of popular vote vs caucus? Texas is the proof. One vote one person is a whole new ball game. And come the general you’ll soon see for yourself how those red states Obama won will vote in the general. We’re losing right now. That’s small potatoes to giving Fl and MI to the republicans. Small potatoes to lean Ohio republican. Small potatoes to the horrific rage of the Obama camp toward Clinton and her supporters and you’ll find out for yourselves come the general. McCain is doing more to treat us like humans than the entire Obama supporters ever have and all you have to do is read the posted venom on this blog from the Obama side. No one wants to deal with reality on your side, why?
Posted by: Dogsoldier | March 8, 2008, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm
The Republicans already went after the Clintons for many years: remember they spent over $100 Millions investigating them. They ran against President Bill Clinton’s reelection bid using that same list. HE WON! They initiated impeachment – THEY FAILED! Senator Clinton run for the senate from New York. Everyone said the List would sink her. SHE WON. AND SHE WON AGAIN. Now, you say the GOP will bring the List again. WELL, GUESS WHAT? SHE WILL WIN AGAIN.
If Sen Obama tries to use the List too, he knows it will not work. And he knows the GOP will not make it either if that’s all they have to run with.
Now, Sen. Clinton has not damaged the party. She has saved the party. You would have preferred the Dem Party to front a candidate who cannot stand to take the pressure. You would want the Dem to be represented by a candidate whose campaign is unraveling already with senior advisors in dissaray and Sen Obama not in control of his campaign team. You would prefer the Dem Party to be represented by someone who comes riding the WHITE HORSE and yet has so many unanswered questions regarding the Rezko connection, and then it comes out someone who says one thing to the voters and another thing to foreign countries, someone whose senior advisors say is presenting policies which they know he will not implement once he is president, etc.
There was a time when Se Obama and Sen Edwards were a TAG TEAM in a handicap match against Sen Clinton. They attacked her with such negativity as: polarizing, divisive, old politics, untruthful, power hungry, etc. At that time, no one worried this could damage the Dem Party. Remember, over 50% of Democrats support her. Sen Obama COMPLETELY DISMISSED Sen Clinton and showed such disrespect towards her while he was winning. He was sure he had been crowned already. I guess the Media Worship had gotten into his head.
If you were Sen Clinton, what would you do? The Media stopped even presenting her arguments to the public. It was Obama all over. She was facing not only Sen Obama but also the whole Media system.
Faced with such adversity, she gathered her courage to puh back. She shook the voters to wake them up from their DREAM. She forced all of us to THINK, something we seemed to have forgotten to do (Hope had taken over)! She GOT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO THINK AGAIN. You know if we really would learn from this, we can apply this lesson to many areas of our lives (marriage, career, relationships, etc.). THINK. DO NOT JUST DREAM OR PRETEND THIS IS GOING TO TURN OUT GOOD!
When Sen Obama realized that THE PEOPLE ARE NOW THINKING and ASKING HARD QUESTIONS, what happened? As all inexperienced people do, HE PANICKED! His Senior Advisors started running all over the place. TRUE CHARACTER IS ONLY REVEALED THROUGH FIRE. And the fire revealed to the voters Sen Obama’s true character.
The Dem and the whole nation should be thankful to Sen Clinton. We could have prematurely crowned Sen Obama as our KING just to wake up one day into a nightmare.
We made that mistake once. We chose someone we could have a beer with as president. The last 7 years are a bear witness to the foolishness of such wishful attitude. Yet, we do not seem to have learned. We were way too happy to shoot ourselves in the foot again. Not that Sen Obama would turn out as bad as President Bush. But the point is clear: WE DO NOT KNOW! AND WHEN IT COMES TO THE PRESIDENCY OF THE US, I NEED TO KNOW.
Now, if that is what qualifies Sen Clinton to be called “monster”, then I guess the Obama camp has ran out of ideas, strategies, techniques. They now have only one thing left: CALLING NAMES! It is a sign of a DEFEATED INEXPERIENCED UNWISE FIGHTER WHO CANNOT ACCEPT DEFEAT BECAUSE THE WHOLE OBAMA CAMP FELT ENTITLED TO THE PRESIDENCY NOW, RIGHT NOW! RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT NOW!
Hey!!!! Wake up those of you who are still asleep. Just read through this blog and you’ll notice the Obama Supporters really are unable to articulate any arguments in an intelligent manner. Just like their candidate, they only have INSULTS to hurl at Sen Clinton. I guess this thing works from top down, right? Sen Obama truly has captured his supporters to the point they have fallen into a transe they cannot engage in an intelligent discourse.
Now, talk to me, will you folks? Meanwhile, LET’S VOTE FOR SENATOR HILLARY CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Paix | March 8, 2008, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm
lauren: “Asking for them to reveal their tax returns is like Ken Starr, and the Republicans.”
Say WHAT???
You think that with Hillary running for Prez, the American people have no right to know from where the Clintons get their money?
And you consider any reasonable probings of their potentially shady dealings to be “like Ken Starr and the Republicans”?
I find such profound political naivete breathtaking….
Posted by: Mark | March 8, 2008, 3:12 pm 3:12 pm
Open your eyes folks!!
Hillary = Lieberman
What’s wrong with you guys who support hillary?
Can’t you see the resemblance between Hillary and Lieberman?
Wake up people and support the Democratic Party from the deceptives like Lieberman (who’s independante now but in reality he is a republican disguised) and Hillary who’s following his footsteps…
Posted by: KiceKid | March 8, 2008, 3:12 pm 3:12 pm
I hast become obvious to me Hillary knows she can’t win, and is determined to destroy Obama in order for her to run in 2012 against McCain. Why else would she be so supportive of McCain ?
Posted by: b.b. | March 8, 2008, 3:12 pm 3:12 pm
OBAMA HAS EXPERIENCE ON THE ECONOMY AND FOREIGN POLICY, HE KEPT AFLOAT THE COLOMBIAN ECONOMY IN THE 1980′s.
I was a good decade for the Medellin Cartel.
Posted by: steve | March 8, 2008, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm
Talking about scorched earth strategy? Susan Rice, an Obama aide, served up this:
“Clinton hasn’t had to answer the phone at 3 o’clock in the morning, and yet she attacked Barack Obama for not being ready. They’re both not ready to have that 3 a.m. phone call.”
Posted by: esvida | March 8, 2008, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm
SAM, SAM, SAM,….
Over a Million voters have contributed to Obama’s campaign in 25 and 50 dollar online donations. This is by far the largest “movement” of Democrats we have seen in our lifetime. Obama has brought more new voters to the party than any other candidate.
The “Hollywood” influence I’ve seen is Jack (Who made a video for Hillary), and Ted Danson (On the plane with Hillary having a beer with her) and the Old Guard Hollywood left.
The super large turnout you see in EVERY state (not just “big” states) is for OBAMA!!!!
Posted by: Shelby | March 8, 2008, 3:16 pm 3:16 pm
I couldn’t agree more. what is double standard that we are all suppose to agree to? To keep quiet about the dirt under her (and Bill’s) fingernails is unpatriotic? I think not. what have they done to discredit Barak Obama? EVERYTHING they can. I find this repulsive and insulting to the citzens of our great nation. Come on, let’s tell the truth. Besides Barak has not intention of being VP to Hillary and BIll. He said it last night in an interview with CBS. he has nothing to lose – except the fallacy that he is weak. The man is brilliant, but he doesn’t want to be dragged in the dirt – but WE can.
Posted by: An American woman | March 8, 2008, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm
Does it get any more hateful then this
Posted by: Bishop | March 8, 2008, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm
The DNC has created the devision in its own party. Michigan and Florida appealed to the DNC to hold their primaries earlier and despite other states being approved for earlier primary dates, these two states were not approved. DNC has said they won’t count the votes for these states and won’t seat the delegates. Hillary is in the race because most of the voters across the nation voted for her. Hillary got the most votes in these two states and would have the lead delegates if not for the DNC.
Posted by: Bobo | March 8, 2008, 3:18 pm 3:18 pm
Interesting ….
Now I understand what Raph Nader was talking about … protectign the status quo of two party system.
As voters we deserve the best … otherwise we use the Putin style and have some dictator select a successor for us.
Obama wants to change washington … and yet you want teh old washington to protect him?
Would he accept that? dont think so .. unless his talk of change and hope has a plan B like his nafta and Iraq withdrawal plans B.
Posted by: Svenson | March 8, 2008, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm
Again, for all of you HRC supporters, what exactly is HRC’s actual experience? Rumsfeld, Cheney, etc., have all had first row seats to the WH for years and been in close quarters with a number of presidents, yet their experience didn’t add up to a hill of beans when it came to making sound judgment calls.
HRC’s “vicarious, virtual experience” doesn’t make her any more qualified to be POTUS than Obama. If you look at what they’ve actually accomplished in the U.S. Senate, in his 3+ year Senate career, Obama has passed more legislation/bills and has his name attahced to more legislation as sponsor or co-sponsor than HRC does. Do some research and gain some objectivity.
PS – Obama denounced the actions of his staff who put out the “punjab” comment and apologized directly to HRC for it and made it clear he would not stand for that type of “smear” campaign. Other than Power’s recent comment that was dealt with swiftly, what other “scorched earth” stuff has Obama personally engaged in or his campaign that has not been addressed?
Posted by: Eyzwidopn | March 8, 2008, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm
OBAMA DOES NOT NEED TO GET NASTY TO WIN !
The only theink he needs to do is to fire some of his advisers which made him\handle badly the nasty things thrown by Hillary and of course not yield to the outrageous request of Hillary to seat the delegates of Florida and Michigan as spuriously voted
in January (if a new primaries or caucus are held, Obama would win easily Michigan and any difference of votes in
Florida would be irrelevant)
BUT THE DELAY OF THE FACTUAL NOMINATION
WHICH SUCH IMPLY WILL DOOM THE POSSIBILTIES OF THE DEM IN DECEMBER !!
TOM
Posted by: TOM WITTMANN | March 8, 2008, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm
Shelby both Obama and Clinton have thirteen million and change votes. To vote Obama does not make one a democrat any more than voting Hillary. But in Hillary’s case you might check the democrat states who vote democrat in the general and they turn up Clinton. Just a fact. Do with it what you will.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | March 8, 2008, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm
Obama is leading 59-40 in the Wyoming Caucus w/78% of the vote reporting.
Posted by: The Commander Guy | March 8, 2008, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm
The media is constantly engaging in presuming who is the better canidate and presuming that the people will automatically buy what their hawking. Enough with the derogatory comments. Enough with the racism, sexism, ageism, and negative characters. Enough of the Republican vs Democrat business. People have the right to vote for who ever they want. People are not monolithic. Accept the fact that people will vote for Hillary Clinton and that’s their right. Accept the fact that people will vote for John McCain and that’s their right. Accept the fact that people will vote for Barak Obama and that’s their right. The media can print/broadcast to infinity but at the end of the day the people will make their own decisions.
Posted by: Voter | March 8, 2008, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm
I am a UK citizen and from the coverage we have had over here it would appear that this article highlights Clinton for what she is.
Come on Americans, do the right thing and elect Obama. The whole world is crying out for a US president who can bring people together again.
Posted by: Derek Reeve | March 8, 2008, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm
…and may I say I just read the link to that Peggy Noonan article… for both sides you should read it.
Posted by: dl | March 8, 2008, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm
Open your eyes folks!!
Hillary = Lieberman
What’s wrong with you guys who support hillary?
Can’t you see the resemblance between Hillary and Lieberman?
Wake up people and support the Democratic Party from the deceptives like Lieberman (who’s independante now but in reality he is a republican disguised) and Hillary who’s following his footsteps…
Posted by: NiceKid | March 8, 2008, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm
Well, I agree that she took a hard swing at Obama with the CiC thing, but lets not kid ourselves, she is doing exactly what Obama has been doing for a yr now, playing up the weakness of the opponent.
Obama camp has called her a liar, a say anything to get elected politician, the most secretive politician in America. He is using these Republican attacks on a daily basis.
Now Obama supporters, or really Hillary Haters, will say that Obama is speaking the truth. I disagree, but there is nothing new in that. I think Obama is inexperienced and doesn’t really know what he is doing.
Both of them are doing what they can to get elected. Stop blaming one of them for tearing the party down.
Posted by: Joan | March 8, 2008, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm
Mehsm- There are lots of strong women who should be in power…and need to be. I want to see that but this is not it. Hillary Clinton is not that woman.
Posted by: dl | March 8, 2008, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm
Hillary will burn the House Down Before she lets Barack have the keys.
Posted by: The Commander Guy | March 8, 2008, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm
Frankly it is amusing to see Peggy Noonan being concerned about the fate of Obama, a potential democratic nominee. MR.OBAMA is their only hope for retaining the whitehouse. The 3 am ad in TX and the furore it caused has proved it all.
Despite huge media support propping him up, the entire electronic media totally rooting for Mr.Obama most of the low income white voters, women, hispanics, and catholics (in BIG SWING STATES which will be crucial in DECIDING THE ELECTION in November)……have not been sold on the Obamamania. In fact it seems they are very very skeptical of the whole idea of an Obama presidency.
Nominating Mr.Obama will ensure a McCain sweep of Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania and even California. Peggy Noonan knows this. She is just being cute.
Posted by: dem | March 8, 2008, 3:36 pm 3:36 pm
Deb: The constituency you describe for Clinton is exactly the same as the Bush constituency. What did the Clintons do for working class Americans? Pass NAFTA and ship jobs overseas? Promise a health care package that never passed – even with a Democratic Senate and House? Promise that everyone who wanted one would get a college education – another pipedream? My parents are “those people” – people who try to survive on Social Security after working every day of their adult lives. Their status was exactly the same at the end of the Clinton years as it was at the beginning.
Posted by: Mara | March 8, 2008, 3:37 pm 3:37 pm
James and the other half will never vote Obama. Now, throw in the Clinton supporters and with this kind of hysterical rage from the Obama supporters as evident on these blogs where do you think Clinton folks will lean in the general?
Posted by: Dogsoldier | March 8, 2008, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm
I wonder if Hillary will lose with a similar amount of grace as Joe Lieberman did in Connecticut in 2006. Seems to me there are a number of similarities between the Connecticut Democratic Primary in 06 and the national primary campaign in 08. In the end someone may well need to go to Hillary and explain that she owes some loyalty to the party and needs to take defeat, if thats what ends up being the result, with some humility and integrity.
Posted by: markymark | March 8, 2008, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm
You people are fools if you think that Hillary is giving the Republicans ammunition. She is stating the obvious.
*Hello* – the Republicans are experts at exploiting the opposition’s weaknesses, and IT IS A GIVEN:
That the Republicans will portray Barack as “An inexperienced anti-war liberal,”
He won’t be able to run on his judgment because of Rezko, and the Republicans will exploit that to a hilt too…
No one can say or do anything more bad about the Clintons that hasn’t been said or done before.
But the Republicans strategists have said that they are “mean” – and they will “eviscerate” whoever the candidate is. They have already eviscerated Hillary, that is why too many of you seen them negatively, why she always gets put on the defensive – she has been viciously attacked in politics her entire career. She started out as a very compassionate, intelligent woman who wanted to make a difference in politics – and her opponents have unfairly attacked her from the start. Truly attacking her – the people who know her, like her.
Look how unfair the Obama camp is being. They have tried to dismiss the Clintons and their entire legacy, when it was one of the most socio-economically successful we have ever had.
If our nominee is Barack, McCain will win.
There will be a lot of important swing voters who will not want to take a chance on a such an inexperienced, untested, unproven, candidate at a time such a this.
No matter what he says.
No matter how they market him.
No matter how much he talks about hope, change, and unity.
No matter how much he tries to say the opposition are the ones employing the politics of division or fear.
People will be afraid of the unknown.
People will want proof.
And he doesn’t have enough.
People will vote for the known security of McCain.
You can’t outsmart the Republicans with words. Ultimately, words and idea will never be more powerful, than fear and fear itself.
We will lose if Barack is our nominee.
Posted by: Lauren | March 8, 2008, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm
Clinton, Obama, McCain – what a horrible choice!
Posted by: petee | March 8, 2008, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm
If Hillary has SO many supporters, how come they rarely make it to any caucuses???? Are they too busy writing on these blogs?
Somebody check the voting machines…especially in Ohio and Texas!!!! Obama is about to win the Texas Caucus, too.
And PLEASE! Lets stop wasting this talk of an Obama/Clinton ticket. She carries WAY to much baggage.
Go Obama!!!!
Posted by: Shelby | March 8, 2008, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm
Hillary is not a very likeable personality yet, according to exit, polls, she is out polling Obama 53% to 39% among white voters. In swing states like Florida (53% to 23%), Ohio (61% to 38%), Michigan (63% to 31%)the margins are even greater. I know pseudo intellectuals in Democratic party would like to believe that race is not a factor, but these numbers in exit polls tell a different story. If Obama is the Democratic candidate against McCain, these numbers will get even worse for Democratic party because McCain is much more likeable personality than Hillary to white voters, especially white men voters.
Posted by: satish | March 8, 2008, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm
Say No to Obama’08! Say No to Stupidity! Anyone else but Obama’08!
Posted by: dem | March 8, 2008, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm
JJ – I agree. If you have ever went after a job, you try to make yourself the best possible candidate to get the position. Hillary is after an important job. She is a sales person trying to show she is the better choice. If you were after the job, how would you make sure your opponent did not out shine you? She wants the job.
Posted by: Pati | March 8, 2008, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm
Too many Democrats refuse to believe that the Clintons are just much divisive to this country as Republicans. People outside of die-hard Clintons see them for what they are: slick politicians who will do anything to gain and keep power. I am an Independent. I don’t know who I will vote for in November but it surely won’t be Hillary if she is nominated. And I have voted Democrat every year since 1984. It is no wonder why many voters wish there was a 3rd party. Democrats, why not call it a deadlock and for the good of the party and the country give the nomination to one of your better candidates (Edwards, Richardson, Biden). I know that is not going to happen. Hillary and Bill’s ego will not allow it.
Posted by: John | March 8, 2008, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm
The ture is Obama is destroying the party. His supporters acted as if he is the one in Nov. Unforunetely, the only group he is winning is Africa America with 80% margin, he did not have Hispanic, he did not have white, he did not have Asia America. America is a country for all colors! Is that what he said himself.
Posted by: bobforhrc | March 8, 2008, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm
Shelby, If you look at the exit polls, you will find that her strongest support comes from older folks like me who do not have energy to spend three four hours in a caucus.
Posted by: Sammy | March 8, 2008, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm
Obama is a gentleman. Hillary is so thirsty for power that she will do ANYTHING to achieve it.
Posted by: manny | March 8, 2008, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm
Well this is a hard campaigng after I have read some of the comments in the CNN comments. I hope the american people will stay sane and not to think of dirty landry that Hillary hang out. I read a comment about Obama not havin a chance in Pennsylvania, this young man that write this comment is out of touch with the world all of the other commenters was defending obama or Hillary. This young man said that they are people in Pennslyvania who has never seen a black person. I think it was very out of touch with this world after all our for fathers has tried to bring justice, equality to this word. Obama is a honest person. He has based his campaign on people not to look at the color of their. I hope that the people of Pennsayvaia who has read this comment will focus on who can make this country a better place to live. Obama can bring this country together. Hillary is a mean and cruel lady. To be the formal first lady she is acting out of touch with this world. I never know what will be next with her. Do we nedd her to be president of the Unied staes out of anger wuth other countries. Obama will know how to handle this country ewith oter counties when a problem should a rise. Hillary you are a very disrespectful woman. I am thinking long and hard about you. I wonder do you have a heart? I hope obama will remain sane. I am a Obama supporter and will be one his suppoters until the end. If you belive in a person capabilty you will stand by them no matter what. Experience is out of the question for me after I see you speaking in such tone of voice as if you hate your opponet. Hillary you chanmge to many out fits one moment I see you in pants then dresses. Be what you are a woman. You will gain more respect from the american people. You do not have to let the word know that you can be in differnt forms. I see you as a woman and that is what the american people should want. I hope obama will win. God bless Obama and his campaign.
Posted by: Wanda | March 8, 2008, 3:55 pm 3:55 pm
The Gentleman and the Cleaning Lady.
Posted by: Margaret | March 8, 2008, 3:55 pm 3:55 pm
“Stacy”, are you really saying we should not vote for Hillary because she’s an “OLD WOMAN”? Good grief. How about if we vote for you for the job of Secretary of WaterBoarding for the Bush Administration?
Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | March 8, 2008, 3:57 pm 3:57 pm
Hello!!! Obama won in Iowa, Washington State, Kansas. AND, he is about to win Wyoming. States with FEW Blacks.
Let go of the race card. Obama has voters of all races, rich and poor, young and old, men and women, educated and blue collar. Thats what makes this a “movement”!!!
Obama 08′!
Posted by: Shelby | March 8, 2008, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm
I’m not really sure how Clinton thinks she is going to win this. There is very little chance of her coming out ahead in delegates, and her claim of better electability is a wash at best. The polls tend to show otherwise. I have nothing against Clinton, but let’s have the people decide.
Posted by: jock59801 | March 8, 2008, 4:01 pm 4:01 pm
I’m not really sure how Clinton thinks she is going to win this. There is very little chance of her coming out ahead in delegates, and her claim of better electability is a wash at best. The polls tend to show otherwise. I have nothing against Clinton, but let’s have the people decide.
Posted by: jock59801 | March 8, 2008, 4:01 pm 4:01 pm
Obama is a gentleman. Hillary is so thirsty for power
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LOL!!! Who do you think will win in November? Someone who is thirsty to win or the one who pretends to be a gentleman???
Republicans have solid ammunition against Obama. He’ll be shredded in no time.
He has never EVER faced a tough election fight in his entire life.
The proof is in the pudding. He was doing fine and dandy when the media was swooning over him, and winning several caucuses (with uber-liberals intimidating ordinary voters, and republicans in UT, Idaho strategically voting for him to get rid of Hillary).
Just when Hillary truned uo the heat a tiny weeny bit, him and his campaign have started looking like real wimps this last week.
Posted by: dem | March 8, 2008, 4:01 pm 4:01 pm
This spit in the face philosophy of “If I can’t have it, no other dem deserves it” Clinton is running will run us into the ditch. The old dem adage “grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory” is once again heading down the same old road. Just as her husband would not consider stepping aside for the good of the country during impeachment –leaving us under the capable leadership of Al Gore–She promotes John McCain above a fellow democrat and worthy opponent. This is desperate but sadly a predictable Clinton move.
Posted by: DQuinn | March 8, 2008, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm
I think many misconstrue Hillary Clinton.
First of all, the Democratic National Committe DISENFRANCHISED 5.1 Million Voters! 5.1 Million. Now I don’t believe for a second that if your state didn’t count, there would not be Hell to pay!
I actually would NOT blame Clinton for leaving the Democratic Party. Mr. Dean must think of himself as GOD. He should resign for the Good of the Party.
Clinton is NOT throwing any jabs at Obama that HE HIMSELF has not thrown at her!
He continuously says he has better judgement and is right about the war in Iraq. He took off the gloves when he LIED about her Healthcare plan…and NAFTA. He did know better.
But this article STILL shows Sexism is a greater problem in America today.
Posted by: Belle | March 8, 2008, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm
As a long time democrat, I don’t think it would be such a tragic thing for the Democratic party to be brought down. They no longer represent the base of the party. They have set up a system for selecting a candidate that lets an inexperienced, left-wing, self-promoter get ahead of more seasoned and reasonable candidates. Last time they gave us the liberal John Kerry who ran one of the worst campaigns ever. It seems the DNC is out of touch and could use a good shake-up.
Posted by: Tom in MA | March 8, 2008, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm
HILLARY LIEBERMAN IS SO THIRSTY FOR POWER THAT SHE IS DETERMINED TO DESTROY THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IF SHE IS NOT “GIVEN” THE NOMINATION!!!
Posted by: NiceKid | March 8, 2008, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm
Hillary is one tough, mean, nasty babe. She breathes fire and wears pant suits made of asbestoses easily allowing her to take the incoming heat. Knock her down and she gets right back up and comes at you like a junk yard dog fighting over a bone. When she speaks girly men cower and run back to their latte joints muttering in fear like a drunk on the sidewalk. Quickly, accessing their cell phones to call their moms for reassurance …Wow! That’s my girl! Go get em Hillary! Look out world, here we come!
Posted by: Dogsoldier | March 8, 2008, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm
Yes that does come as a surprise that there are rules in politics. Didn’t seem like anybody was worrying about the “rules” when Obama’s main competitor for his senate seat was shamed out of the race based on allegations that were proved to be untrue only *after* the election, and it didn’t seem like there were any “rules” when Obama was pitted against stooge-candidate Alan Keyes for one of the sleaziest electoral victories in U.S. History. What also comes as a surpise is this feigned nobility stance he wants to employ now. In a word: “audacity”.
Posted by: REX | March 8, 2008, 4:06 pm 4:06 pm
When JFK was here we voters were energized – he hadn’t been a senator that long either.
His daughter supports Obama because he has reignited what JFK and MLK started. A true people’s movement.
Clinton – corruption, impeachment, whitewater, travelgate, countless hearings
Why go back to that?
Experience? Ok how can hillary be proud of those 35 years? How can we and how can we all (I’m a union worker with a family) support them again? They embarrassed the nation that I love.
Don’t give them another chance to do that again.
Posted by: erin | March 8, 2008, 4:06 pm 4:06 pm
Well, let’s’ see: Obama won Texas after all. I thought HRC was supposed to get out if she didn’t win both.
Now, he’s kicking her tail in Wyoming, and will take Mississippi.
Time to go, Hillary. Take your sleaze with you. Fresh air.. Fresh air.
Posted by: csrk77 | March 8, 2008, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm
Belle – hillary leave the Dems???
YAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Posted by: wow | March 8, 2008, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm
Audry who does Osama support?
Posted by: Dogsoldier | March 8, 2008, 4:11 pm 4:11 pm
Obama aslo win the tx Caucuses. So the The tx caususes was the will of peoples? The supporters of Obama do not have any logis and they claim they are high-educated. The only answer is that they are high-educated cheaters!
Posted by: bboforhrc | March 8, 2008, 4:11 pm 4:11 pm
We will lose if Obama is our nominee.
The Clintons are very good people, and we need their expertise.
If you believe otherwise, you are just believing the Republican attack machine, and now the Obama campaign’s strategy of attacking the Clintons personally as well as all their accomplishments.
Barack has a huge ego. He wants to win. He acts like it should be his, when he’s had hardly any national experience, and he dismisses Hillary’s experience when she’s had so much more than his?
It’s ludicrous.
And his campaign and supporters act like questions can’t be raised about his qualifications, and experience?
They could not be more ridiculous to ask us not to think, or seriously questions these issues.
Barak is very crafty when he frames his arguments, but he is employing a great degree of hypocritical, self-serving, double-speak and craft.
They are all saying anything about the Clintons to try to win.
Posted by: Lauren | March 8, 2008, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm
And, isn’t that why we see Hillary every time we turn on the news? The media wants Hillary in the Whitehouse. It is easy and fun for them to cover the garbage that will come out of the Clinton Whitehouse.
It is less boring than covering health care and jobs. Geez, the media might have to do real research.
At the end of the day we won’t know who we dislike more: Hillary or the media.
Posted by: Jan | March 8, 2008, 4:13 pm 4:13 pm
Sen. Gary Hary backing Obama points out “there are rules in politics”. Seemingly he would like us to only have that rule apply to Clinton. Obama’s inspirational quest for Presidential fame lacks substantive experience to manage the innuendo’s associated with being able to work effectively within the governing bodies of the US and world leaders. Clinton’s Senate years demonstrate she has the skill with which to cross party lines and enlist support for programs that are of benefit for the people of the US. Obama’s Washington years lean otherwise.
Posted by: Ellen | March 8, 2008, 4:14 pm 4:14 pm
Belle- Are you kidding about sexism being the bigger problem in our country. I am a woman and have never felt as though I was a second citizen, never. Have you been to west oakland, or inner city baltimore, st. louis, detroit? Of all the disenfranchised citizens of our country these kids growing up in the inner city with single parents need our help the most. They have no money and there is no way to make money off of them so they are not talked about or cared about enough to solve the problem. To see a black man in the white house could be a light for these boys who only know street corners. Hillary playing the victimized woman makes me ill.
Posted by: Ag | March 8, 2008, 4:16 pm 4:16 pm
And in the end clinton was one of the best Presidents we have had they impeched him for a sex act and the core that are behind her were many of his core supporters I have children and grabdchildren and the last 8 years have not been great and I ready for change and I know what the Clintons did for th US he still had a 65% approvalwhen he left Office Have you ever heard of americorp.It helped Obama to do his outreach
Posted by: Bishop | March 8, 2008, 4:16 pm 4:16 pm
These so-called pundits manifest one thing: their dislike of Hillary Clinton. Why was it OK for Senator Obama to claim that Hillary Clinton assisted George W Bush to go war with Iraq despite the fact that the majority of Democratic leaders along with Hillary Clinton voted for the authorization of this war in Iraq. When Senator Obama attacked that Hillary Clinton had poor judgment, he basically implied that all those democratic leaders who voted for this war had bad judgments. Senator Clinton was not the only person in the democratic party who voted for this war under pressure from both parties.
What these pundits are saying is that it is not OK to say anything bad about Obama because he is going to be the nominee, but it is okay to attack Hillary Clinton …. and if you don’t know how to … they suggest that you “Yahoo” her name with “+ scandal” …. they even tell people how to dig up dirt on Hillary Clinton. And yet they call themselves …. fair-minded … rule-abiding …. democratic pundits? What a bunch of crap!
Posted by: Thom Knight | March 8, 2008, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm
TS is swearing on Clinton meant to drive the Clinton supporter away from EVER supporting Obama?
Posted by: Dogsoldier | March 8, 2008, 4:18 pm 4:18 pm
New campaign slogan just announced by the Clinton campaign: She Stoops to Conquer. At long last Mrs. Clinton, have you no shame? Mrs. Clinton has lived for decades in a glass house – she should no better than to throw stones. What goes around comes around, and she should prepare herself. A monster? You better believe it. If Obama is the Toger Woods of politics, than HRC is Godzilla – her scorched earth campaign tactics are going to clear a path for McCain unless her fellow Democrats stop her. I’d love to see all the superdelegates unite against her today!!!
Posted by: Otis Booth | March 8, 2008, 4:18 pm 4:18 pm
Folks, Obama is just your typical charlatan, snake oil salesperson, attempting to sell hollow promises. And for those who are entranced and believe that he is the be all answer for universal peace, I say you’re delusional. Listen closely to his words when he says, “I will require you to work. I will demand that you shed your cynicism. That you put down your divisions. That you come out of your isolation, that you move out of your comfort zones. That you push yourselves to be better. And that you engage. I will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual, uninvolved, uninformed.” Who is he to demand? Who is he to require? What authority does he have to meddle in our God given right to free will? Who is this guy? History tells us of individuals like such as this one. They come to power when peoples are most vulnerable. Folks our nation may be entering its darkest hour. Let us not be led astray.
Posted by: Mike | March 8, 2008, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm
Samantha Power got it right….Hillary is a monster, with many heads….if she steals the nomination, there is no doubt that McCain will be the next president. That means 4 more years of Bush-like policies….pretty sad.
Obama has tried to bring hope and a spirit of national commmunity into politics again; we are the United States of America.
Sadly, it seems there is a large number of people in the US that are truly cynical and believe that “nothing will be differnt”, “things can’t change”….it is an unfortunate commnetary on American society. A great country, incredible history, yet the spirit of the American people is diminished…our forefathers would be stunned to learn, after all their sacrifices, that in the 21st century Americans no longer believe that ” We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness”……never mind, it’s the 21st century, the hope of better things for all is dead….now we fight among ourselves.
Obama provides hope for a brighter future….no guarantees, not easy, everyone has to do their part, but most importantly, the way he will do business, as a president and as a man, will help us live a monster-free life again.
Turn the page….
Posted by: FR | March 8, 2008, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm
Get your facts straight Bishop–Clinton was impeached and disbarred for breaking the law–LYING UNDER OATH, PERJURY–Not for having an affair with Monica Lewinsky–Thanks for reminding of of all of the daily soap opera of having the Clintons in the white house–Pretty disgusting actually.
Posted by: DQuinn | March 8, 2008, 4:20 pm 4:20 pm
What garbage, I don’t hear anyone telling Obama to get out. Plus, Gary Hart, I thought Donna Rice sank his boat back in 88?
Posted by: JR | March 8, 2008, 4:20 pm 4:20 pm
Clintonistas, you make a valid point with regards to politics being dirty and revelling in her “toughness”. If you truly feel that the ends justifies the means, then do us all a favor and remember that in the fall if she is the Democratic nominee. Spare us all the whining when the GOP smear machine is operating a full steam. Don’t defend her actions as “hard-fought legitimate politics” now only to climb back on your soap boxes in the fall. With regards to HRC being fully vetted, you are all misinformed if you believe all her skeletons have been revealed from her walk – in closet. This is the 1st national campaign the Clintons have been in since several scandals. The intensity of the mutiny scrutiny will increase tenfold, and with the Clintons there are always new scandals forthcoming (see Kazhakstan, library donor questions, and tax returns). They are a part of a shady generation of corrupt leaders (Dem and Repub) who actually believe they have a teflon forcefield. Fully vetted? They’ve got more dirty laundry than a family of octuplets.
Posted by: Vision Quest | March 8, 2008, 4:20 pm 4:20 pm
Peggy Noonan writes: Everyone knows that if you Yahoo “Clintons” and “scandals” you get 4,430,000 hits!
Well Clintons have been in the public eye for 15+ years, that is barely 300,000 hits per year!
Google Obama Scandals and you get 767,000 hits!
Not bad for someone in the public eye for 3 months, that would equate to over 3,000,000 hits per year!
Why don’t people stop the bias and speak the who truths and not the slanted ones!
W.O.R.M. = W.hat O.bama R.eally M.eans!
Posted by: Clear Choice | March 8, 2008, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm
>>>At long last Mrs. Clinton, have you no shame? <<<<
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It's funny to see the sense of entitlement amongst Obamamaniacs. For months now Obama and his cult was going around generally dissing Hillary…she is not likable, has lots of negatives, he is just holier than anyone else cockamime…………… Hillary was the gentle lady taking all thse things and made a mistake talking about "issues".. Now the Hillary camp is returning the favor, giving the their own bitter medicine, Obamabots cry like babies.
Posted by: dem | March 8, 2008, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm
McCain will win the nomination.
The wisdom of the DNC will let Hillary and Obama slug and bloody each other. Obama has the pledge delegate lead.
When the DNC super-delegates overturn the pledge delegates for Hillary or run to Obama side, one side will not vote, may vote for Nader or McCain.
If they overrule Obama, 90% of the black vote will be gone and all of the first time and young voters will join.
If jumping to Obama, over sixty years old and women will protest. I don’t want to miss the uneducated that Hillary always says she gets. They don’t know better.
Posted by: JerryZ | March 8, 2008, 4:24 pm 4:24 pm
I don’t know how Hillary won our state except for the Hispanic and Republican votes. The Hispanics she rounded up may not have all even been US citizens. She got some Republicans from strategic votes because they know McCAN WILL BEAT HER. Obama got Republicans because they know he will be the better president. I am one of those.
With all that having been said, the media did the rest. As far as her views on foreign policy, ask the Canadians about NAFTA. SHE WAS THE ONE WHO SAID BACKING OUT OF NAFTA WAS ALL RHETORIC…NOT OBAMA. The Canadians are very upset over her deceitful actions. Her divisive foreign policy has already been seen in Canada.
Now let’s talk about the FIGHTER HILLARY. Lord don’t we know. She is so divisive, so polarizing she will destroy anything in her path. Destruction is NOT THE PATH TO VICTORY.
Looks like Wyoming is speaking up for change. I’m betting Mississippi will too along with a large number of people in Pennsylvania.
Please Pennsylvania voters, get informed on the latest revelation on NAFTA in Canada. It was NOT Obama saying one thing and doing another…it WAS HILLARY.
Posted by: A Texas Voter | March 8, 2008, 4:25 pm 4:25 pm
So, FR, exactly what business has Obama ever run for you to know?
Posted by: Dogsoldier | March 8, 2008, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm
Hillary is a ruthless socialist and woe be to America if she gets in the White House. She is a fake who will do anything to get what she wants….ask Bill.
Posted by: Gee | March 8, 2008, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm
“Hillary was the gentle lady”
I would type a message but after reading THAT – I’m laughing too hard.
Posted by: Gwen | March 8, 2008, 4:27 pm 4:27 pm
These opinions reflect one thing and one thing only. These pundits dislike Senator Clinton, and want to see Senator Obama in the white house. They want to influence future voters in PA by painting Senator Clinton as the “monster” without actually using the word “monster.”
Why can’t they let voters decide based on the voters’ own intelligence, opinions and judgments? Why do these pundits feel a need to weigh in with their idiotic biased opinions at this time? Why do their opinions matter to begin with?
Posted by: Crystal Coy | March 8, 2008, 4:28 pm 4:28 pm
I believe Hillary is trying to cause so much damage to Obama that the Super-Delegates will have no choice but to pick her. She might even force Obama to join her as VP on the ticket. I mean it fits the “Not Ready On Day One” argument. He won’t have to be ready if he is her VP. She can claim that by picking Obama she is uniting the party and that everything she did was for the good of the people. I have always wondered how someone so capable can claim that she never knew anything of her husband’s misdeed’s behind her back.
Posted by: demo1 | March 8, 2008, 4:32 pm 4:32 pm
Peggy Noonan is foolsh. She thinks she is writing about what she saw at “The Revolution.” Why can’t she shut-up and concentrate on her screwed-up Republicans? They pick an old man who wants to stay in Iraq for 100 years after declaring MISSION ACCOMPLISHED, only to have 4,000 soldiers die after that. Give me a break!! Stay clear Noonan, Clinton is no Reagan!
Posted by: Emanuel | March 8, 2008, 4:32 pm 4:32 pm
dem, The problem with your logic is this…The country is divided almost equally in half….Actually, more like 40 percent who will vote Republican regardless of who the nominee is, 40 percent who will vote Democrat no matter who the nominee is, and 20 percent who, like me are in the middle and will be swayed one way or another. We view that, from a governing standpoint, there isn’t a lick of difference between the parties and a reason we always interested in 3rd party candidates. Personally, I voted for Clinton twice and always felt a bit of sympathy for them because of the way Republicans relentlessly pursued them. However, it always seemed that the Clintons gave them something to pursue and ultimately I felt a sense of betrayal. But I did not dislike them….until now. The way have run this campaign shows that they are no better than Republicans. They will say and do anything to get elected. If Hillary wins the nomination I (and I expect many of the 20 percent in he middle) will view McCain, (unlike Hillary), as an honorable man worthy of our vote. We’ve seen the Clinton act before…Democrats need to wake up to this..
Posted by: John | March 8, 2008, 4:33 pm 4:33 pm
dem, The problem with your logic is this…The country is divided almost equally in half….Actually, more like 40 percent who will vote Republican regardless of who the nominee is, 40 percent who will vote Democrat no matter who the nominee is, and 20 percent who, like me are in the middle and will be swayed one way or another. We view that, from a governing standpoint, there isn’t a lick of difference between the parties and a reason we always interested in 3rd party candidates. Personally, I voted for Clinton twice and always felt a bit of sympathy for them because of the way Republicans relentlessly pursued them. However, it always seemed that the Clintons gave them something to pursue and ultimately I felt a sense of betrayal. But I did not dislike them….until now. The way have run this campaign shows that they are no better than Republicans. They will say and do anything to get elected. If Hillary wins the nomination I (and I expect many of the 20 percent in he middle) will view McCain, (unlike Hillary), as an honorable man worthy of our vote. We’ve seen the Clinton act before…Democrats need to wake up to this..
Posted by: John | March 8, 2008, 4:33 pm 4:33 pm
I have maintained all along that Hillary would utilize the scorched earth policy. It’s either her way or no way the DNC will get into the WH. These columnists have supported my argument! She’s desparate now and she’s now pushing the “to hell” with everyone else. Those bridges are burning now.
Posted by: Adam Smith | March 8, 2008, 4:33 pm 4:33 pm
Thank you “A Texas Voter” for saying it again–The Canadian GlobeMail front page–Clinton was the one who was flip flop on NAFTA–not Obama! God save us–we are heading towards McCain/Bush or Clinton and the differences are getting slimmer by the day.
Posted by: DQuinn | March 8, 2008, 4:34 pm 4:34 pm
Gee according to ratings it is Obama is the most liberal senator in America. That makes HIM more socialists wouldn’t you admit?
Posted by: Dogsoldier | March 8, 2008, 4:34 pm 4:34 pm
We will all come together in November. The truth is that less than 1% of the popular vote seperates Obama and Hillary. Neither of these two candidates will destroy the party. It is refreshing to have 50 states count for a change and the will count even if FL and MI end up voting again…
If the “red phone” ad is seriously perceived as being so negative I just have to laugh at what McCain would have done.
Make no mistake we will be experienced and inspired come November!
Posted by: J Allen | March 8, 2008, 4:35 pm 4:35 pm
“With 57 percent of precincts reporting, Barack Obama leads Hillary Clinton 58 to 41 percent”
Yippie!!!! <<<>>>
Voters get it!! Yahooo!! I’ll bet the old school in washington is quaking in it old boots.
Posted by: Jennifer | March 8, 2008, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm
j allen
If they are less % apart – why not go with the one that rakes in the most money for the race, inspires the most voter turnout and is less entrenched in washington?
Come on!!! You know you want to!!
OBAMA!!
Posted by: marsh | March 8, 2008, 4:40 pm 4:40 pm
All Hillary supporters seem to repeating Hillary, “So he can speak well, so what?” Well, that is the job of the president; using words to aid in diplomacy, rally the troops, so to speak. Hillary simply cannot do this. They say she was vetted; but she was “vetted” as the first lady, not as the president. These are not the same thing. A man or lady married to a physicist cannot build an atom bomb simply because their spouse can; she should run on her own personal experience, that as a two term senator versus that of a one term senator (honestly, not much difference if you ask me.) She says that it is not speeches that make the president, and not surprisingly, says so in a speech…Obama rallies his supporters through his speeches, this does not mean he has no ability for action, it just means he is an excellent orator, a skill Hillary, by her own admission, is not blessed with. If Hillary manages to eek out a win through leveraging the super delegates, their is going to be a vote of no support in the general election. Perhaps after making such slanderous remarks aimed at Obama, McCain will take advantage and ask Obama to be his VP; in which case their will nearly be no need for an election…We know he is capable of reaching across the aisle, in reference to his aim to run with Kerry those years ago.
Posted by: jonah | March 8, 2008, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm
Hillary has been First Lady, a Senator, a Mother and and she is still just Mrs. Clinton, a “nobody” !
Posted by: DTNC | March 8, 2008, 4:42 pm 4:42 pm
Reading some of the articles from Hillary backers I really cann’t understand why they think, HRC could be a choice.
Don’t these people read newspapers, don’t these people see further than the end of their nose? The wohle world is shaking their heads now, because the world did not forget the many scandals und smears this couple brought over AMERICA. Probably, many people have strainge minds or are loosing their critical thinking.
AMERICANS, this can be a very expensive mistake, especially in times of the comming recession. You have the chance to get a President, able to govern the country from bottom up. This is essential these days, but too many clever people and politicians don’t like that, and the press doesnt either.
Posted by: sieweke | March 8, 2008, 4:42 pm 4:42 pm
The Democratic party has always been about hope and change, that is a given – that is why we are Democrats. Now you need to work on unifying.
Hillary is not a monster. People who truly know her, like her. Now, not only has she been unfairly attacked for political purposes by the Republicans her entire career, now she is being attacked by the Obama campaign and it’s supporters.
You are believing smear tactics and lies.
All of it stems from ridiculous smear tactics and lies.
The first Clinton administration was one of the best we’ve ever had – they didn’t just talk about hope and change -they truly brought hope and change to our country.
You are truly betraying hope, change, and unity.
The Clintons have never been found of wrongdoing in all the ‘scandals’ they were *accused* of being associated with.
*The Republicans wasted millions of tax dollars* trying him over a personal marital affair.
JFK had many more affairs while he was in office, but his family is lucky that was before the time of ruthlessly and relentlessly scandalizing people’s personal marital affairs.
No other country in the world has ever tried to impeach it’s leader over what should have been only a personal marital issue because they know it’s ridiculous and a waste of tax payer dollars and time. The rest of the world thought it was crazy.
And the Clintons are loved all over the world – I have had many people on the web and elsewhere tell me so.
It is disgraceful and despicable that the Obama campaign is doing so much to try to damage the Clintons.
Posted by: Lauren | March 8, 2008, 4:43 pm 4:43 pm
I’m sitting here in Fort McMurray, home of the second largest oil reserve on earth after Saudi Arabia. Please Obama reopen NAFTA. We are your LARGEST oil and gas exporter as well as largest electric supplier, not to mention heavy and light metals. Presently there are SIX oil pipelines being built from our plans to America. Plus two more American pipeline coming through my province from Alaska. Please Obama reopen NAFTA and we’ll stop those pipelines so fast your head will spin. None of us want OUR oil going south, nor pipelines being built without OUR consent. We’d rather sell to China and India, better prices. Even our Prime Minister said if they reopen NAFTA we’ll put oil on the table. You ONLY get our oil because of the fool NAFTA. Never again. Never!
Posted by: Canada | March 8, 2008, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm
Here we have another caucus where anyone can cross the floor and vote for Obama while the Obama supporters celebrate their win, I guess a win is a win for them while they ignore the fact that in a GE these same people may not vote the way they did in the caucus.
If I was a Obama supporter I would be very concerned that he seems to be doing well with the cross over voters, while most of the registered democrats vote against him.
Then again the point is not winning this election at the moment its only winning the nomination, to prove what I really don’t know I must prefer a democrat win this election.
Posted by: SJ | March 8, 2008, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm
If you are for the democratic party – you are for obama.
Think about it – 8 years of republicans that we are trying to oust from power.
Why not Obama – energize the base, get the vote out, bring the money in – it’s a win, win, win.
Posted by: Tom | March 8, 2008, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm
D, I don’t believe for a minute that it is only Hillary running….It is a Hillary\Bill show just like last time. Bill is,I assume, a close advisor to the candidate and is therefore fair game…
Posted by: John | March 8, 2008, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm
Obama needs only to shine the light on some Clinton’s closely guarded FAILURES
The Clintons hushed up a federal report issued in 1994 that warned of possible terrorist strikes, including how hijackers could use airliners to hit landmarks such as the Pentagon or White House. The excuse for the secrecy was that they didn’t want to cause panic. Preserve the “fairytale” world image that the Clintons had promoted, “don’t act, don’t tell”. So far, the media and the opposition have refrained from bringing/flinging at the Corrupt Clintons the bitter terrible truth. That they FAILED to focus on terrorism, and FAILED to focus on Osama bin Laden. They FAILED miserably to focus an all-out effort to capturing or killing Osama bin Laden. The CIA report states that they were not authorized to “kill” bin Laden by the Corrupt Clintons. The Clintons attorney briefed the CIA on Bill’s special instructions: if the CIA captured him they were to make every effort to ensure his comfort. Comfort for a killer? CIA reports described building a custom-built ergonomically correct chair for the tall terrorist. Details of concern were the comfort of the shackles. Osama bin Laden had a long beard. The CIA was told that caution needed to be taken that the tape needed to gag bin Laden would not harm his beard. The Clintons were so cautious of international repercussions that they managed to obstruct and delay the capture of a most-wanted criminal. They had several opportunities, two terms in office, with much power at their command. Yet, they undeniably, unforgivably FAILED. This should be most memorable non-accomplishment of the eight years under the Teflon Team.
Sandy Berger was Bill Clinton’s National Security Advisor. The 9/11 Commission, appointed to investigate the Al Qaeda attacks, would assess the Clinton Administration preceding 9/11. Clinton appointed Berger to act as his representative. In preparation for his testimony, Berger was given access to the highly classified material in the National Archives relating to 9/11. Berger testified at the hearing that Clinton did all he could to deal with terrorist threats. Later, when it was learned that Berger had removed Archive documents, the Justice Department accepted his testimony that he had only taken some copies of reports to review, and returned them later, except for a few duplicates, just a mistake. Berger got off with a plea deal, surrendered his license to practice law and was not required to take a lie detector test. When made public, the Clintons claimed politics were behind all the fuss over nothing. The National Archives held evidence so highly classified that few were allowed to view the material. Berger was allowed to enter a room with a cell phone, and other security violations worked in his favor. It was later discovered that MISSING DOCUMENTS FROM THE ARCHIVES INCLUDED CRITICAL ASSESSMENTS OF THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION HANDLING OF TERRORIST THREATS. It is not known what was in those documents that Berger risked his reputation, career and imprisonment for, and compromised the entire 9/11 investigation. The information could have provided answers to what went wrong before 9/11 and what COULD HAVE/SHOULD HAVE been done to prevent further attacks.
Now, Sandy Berger was selected to be on Hillary’s team of National Security Advisors, along with Madeline Albright and Richard Holbrooke, all former members of Bill Clinton’s cabinet.
Posted by: patricia3785 | March 8, 2008, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm
If the democratic establishement doesn’t want to destroy the party as well, the only thing to do is supporting the winner of the contest, Barack OBAMA, NOW. What are the superdelegates waiting for???
Posted by: Mark Webb | March 8, 2008, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm
Represntative King is not a very smart man.He is interested in getting his boy elected…. nothing else. If that was a guy, instead of Hillary, he would have shut his mouth. He is showing no love for the Party or the process.. he is very selfish.. he sounds like a man that was promised something..Does he have a deal in the works?
The Democratic Party was a floundering mass of humanity before Barack and Hillary presented America with a qualified candidacy that shows wisdom and fortitude. Hillary brought that to the table..Obama brought eloquence.. The process says , the American spirit says, FIGHT WITH ALL YOUR MIGHT..for what you want ..fight like an Eagle…Never say never…until you hear the buzzer. The buzzer has not sounded…Mr. King
The democratic Party is now a growing party …People from different States and Puerto Rico want to hear the message and witness the debate…This will make the DNC a middle class party and also make it relevant and attractive.
Congressman King try not be the farmer who killed the goose that laid the golden egg….You may end up with nothing. Give the people what the people wants…man
Posted by: Andy | March 8, 2008, 4:50 pm 4:50 pm
Tom then 13 plus million and counting Clinton supporters are not democrats then. Guess we’ll just have to vote McCain as we’ve been just thrown out of this version of the democratic party.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | March 8, 2008, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm
patricia3785
GOOD POST!
Posted by: jilly | March 8, 2008, 4:53 pm 4:53 pm
Hillary is the best weapon in the Republican arsenal. If Obama gets the nomination Hillary has already given the Republicans plenty of ammunition. If she gets the Democratic nod she has angered enough Obama supporters to make them stay home in droves. Add to that her natural ability to offend everyone and the blood trail behind the Clintons I doubt she has much of a chance. ….. I do wonder why the military service that the Democrats and the news media held so important a few years ago hasn’t even been discussed. What branch was Obama in anyway? It could be said that Hillary saw combat just living with Bill.
Posted by: jijalagi | March 8, 2008, 4:54 pm 4:54 pm
Clinton strategy: We must destroy the Democratic party to save it.
Posted by: Bob, DC | March 8, 2008, 4:55 pm 4:55 pm
I’m a registered democrat and will vote democrat in the general election. UNLESS clinton gets the nomination. She wants the white house so bad she is doing any and everything possible to get it. She spouts about her “experience” in answering the phone in times of crisis, but when she got the call, she voted FOR the war.
Need I mention all the scandals associated with the clintons
I can understand though why many of us are reluctant to embrace barack obama, after all he is black and what will happen to our country if he gets in office? I say it will be better. Better because he is the person who can bring our country together as a whole, not just as white, black, hispanic or native america, but as AMERICANS.
Posted by: Sebastian | March 8, 2008, 4:56 pm 4:56 pm
If Hillary somehow wins this nomination you can kiss all the optimism, enthusiam and huge turnouts goodbye. Those fired-up voters will be snuffed out.
Posted by: Bob, DC | March 8, 2008, 4:57 pm 4:57 pm
Wyoming has a population of about 500,000 and not even 10,000 came out to vote in this caucus I wonder why?? Sure does not seem to me that this is a win for any Democrat so I will not be celebrating too much on this.
Posted by: SJ | March 8, 2008, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm
I can’t understand for the life of me why the media is letting the Clintons get away with this stuff. . .
They’re bullies.
They bullied the media to stop “picking on them”.
They’ve been bullying Obama, with the latest now that he’s Ken Starr.
They have bullied anyone in the past who has stood in their way destroying their name and reputation.
And they’re about to do the same to Obama.
Why is America standing for this?
And why isn’t the media doing more to dig through the propaganda and lies they keep putting out?
This is who we want leading our country or answering the phone at 3 AM?
Posted by: JW | March 8, 2008, 5:00 pm 5:00 pm
Read Robert Reich’s blog about Hillary. Her lust for power know no bounds. If she wins, we will regret it.
Posted by: robo | March 8, 2008, 5:00 pm 5:00 pm
The Obama supports were never democrat. If so Kerry would have won the general and not Bush. The Obama supporters, for the most part, are Obama supporters only. Few of the Obama supporters have ever fought for democratic principles, they merely fight for Obama.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | March 8, 2008, 5:01 pm 5:01 pm
The differences in policies between Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton are fairly small, so it all comes down to personal qualities. As a European following American politics I believe Mr Obama has the best possibillities to deal with the challenges facing the world. His grounded personality, vision, bright mind and communicative skills are badly needed both in the US and the rest of the world.
Posted by: SBNilsson | March 8, 2008, 5:03 pm 5:03 pm
Shannon VanWagner I have to agree with you there 100%, did not think of that until you brought it out. You are right it is a bit distasteful.
Posted by: SJ | March 8, 2008, 5:03 pm 5:03 pm
Hillary advisers are the ones acting like Ken Starr. Trying to tie Obama to Rezko when it hasn’t been proven in a court of law? Didn’t the Clintons learn anything from the name-besmirching experience of the Whitewater affair?
Posted by: James | March 8, 2008, 5:06 pm 5:06 pm
Rebecca
Read the front page of the Canada GlobeMail (2 days ago) NAFTA was a Clinton flip flop–Canada’s prime minister knows more than some geek at Newsweek.
Posted by: DQuinn | March 8, 2008, 5:07 pm 5:07 pm
Daniel Georgiev I saw the interview by the republicans who produced this movie. Furthermore, they also say they are working on the Obama version of this movie to be used against Obama during the general.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | March 8, 2008, 5:08 pm 5:08 pm
There is a reason why so many Democratic candidates for congress in swing states are supporting Obama. Their analysis is that Hillary at the top of the ticket will decrease their own possibilities of being elected. A Democratic president needs a solid majority in congress to get things done. This can only be achieved with Obama as the Democratic candidate for president.
Posted by: SBNilsson | March 8, 2008, 5:09 pm 5:09 pm
Obama took favors from Rezko after it was well known that Rezko was under investigation for fraud, extortion, money laundering, etc.
This is not illegal, but it shows extremely bad judgement.
This has been proven.
He cannot run on his judgement.
The Republicans *will* exploit this – they are already talking about this and *more.*
He doesn’t have enough experience.
People like John McCain.
They will trust John McCain, and not Barack.
All of you who truly think Barack could win in the general election have no idea who you are up against in terms of the Republicans.
You are being extremely naive, and if he wins the nomination, we will lose, and you will find out just how extremely naive you are being.
That is why we have Superdelegates, because before we had Superdelegates we always lost, because Democrats are nice and naive, and don’t realize what the Republicans will do, and the qualifications our candidate has to have until it is too late.
All of the bad things you are saying about the Clintons were started by the Republicans. And now the Obama campaign is co-opting them.
All adminstrations make mistakes. With all his inexperience, a Barack administration would make a lot of mistakes.
Ultimately the Republicans voted for McCain because they knew he had the best chance against the Democrats, and that’s why they want Barack to be our nominee, because they think he will be the easiest to beat.
Posted by: Lauren | March 8, 2008, 5:10 pm 5:10 pm
I am totally at a loss as to why people continue to blindly follow Obama. Does someone need to turn him upside down and shake him in front of all the world for people to believe what they are seeing. This man has been able to get away with Bush politics and rhetoric ad nausaeum and yet he is still the pied piper. The American youth from ever since has always found it easy to follow cult like figures sometimes to their death. Jim Jone has arisen, somebody please stop him. We do not want an unqualified individual in the White House. To contrast your experience (i.e) Like Hillary did (re red phone add) is not dirty politics DONNA B. (best political team my foot) To show he is not squeaky clean is not dirty politics. To assume you are the annointed is not just cocky, presumptive and arrogant, it is downright stupid and shows lack of experience. Obama has from the get go, shown his lack of empathy and snobishness towards the people of America yet he just has to spout his nonsense and the people lap it up like water(kool Aid)Somebody please suggest a random drug test for presidential nominees. If you are required to take one as an athlete then you should need to take one as a future president.
Posted by: Dee | March 8, 2008, 5:12 pm 5:12 pm
SBNilsson perhaps you might check your facts. All democrat normal voting states chose Clinton, plus swing states such as Fl, MI and Ohio to name a few.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | March 8, 2008, 5:13 pm 5:13 pm
My dream – Obama immediately refuses run with VP and Bloomberg announces if Obama isn’t the nominee he will support him as a 3rd party candidate
Posted by: G | March 8, 2008, 5:14 pm 5:14 pm
Obama isn’t ready to lead this country (yet) and somebody has to point out his deficiencies. Obviously, the media is so enamored of him and his pep rallies that they fawn over themselves to prop him up while they attack Clinton. I am sooooooo tired of biased reporting in the democratic primary! Only two stories (Rezko and NAFTA) were enough to send Obama’s campaign into a tail spin last week. He isn’t tough enough and he won’t be up to the Republican challenge this fall. America needs Hillary. If anyone is ruining the democratic party, it’s all the old guard democrats (Kennedy, Kerry) supporting his campaign because they don’t want a Clinton and especially a woman in the White House.
Posted by: mhhunt | March 8, 2008, 5:15 pm 5:15 pm
dl….beware of switchovers…they are fickle and can as easily switch back…They are not true Democrats…I am an Independent who leans Democrat. I am extremely upset with the Hillary tactics. I view McCain as honorable and Hillary as not…So, while I am watching Democrats intently and hoping Democrats come to their senses don’t count on me….all depends on who is nominated..
Posted by: John | March 8, 2008, 5:15 pm 5:15 pm
Lauren:How do you know the Clinton’s are good People. Do you know them personally? I think she is showing how great she is to the American people now. With that altitude. You talk about doing anything to Win, what do you call what Hillary is doing. If Obama blinks his eyes twice she gets on a microphone…Did you see that America people? Did you hear him? Is this really the person, you guys want in office? While she is nodding her head with that fake smile. He has not said a word these people are trying to speak for him…I will give him this even if he loses, i am so glad to see him taking high road with her and responding to her comments without negative attacks. Can you say the same?
Posted by: karen | March 8, 2008, 5:15 pm 5:15 pm
She is the most dangerous thing to come along and she’s dividing the party right now.
Party leaders, wake up, get up off your backsides and DO SOMETHING!!!
She will bring the party down BIG TIME before she is finished!
Posted by: Sharon K | March 8, 2008, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm
Truthfully??? Let’s pray McCain can beg Mitt Romney to be his running mate, and then after they are elected that he and CINDY decide to take a medical leave. I certainly need one…all those left running certainly make ME sick~!!
Posted by: Laine | March 8, 2008, 5:21 pm 5:21 pm
DQuinn – You need to read the article, not just the headline in the Globe and Mail and get your facts straight. It does not say that Clinton approached the Canadian government about NAFTA. It makes a vague reference to communications between her campaign and the Canadian government while repeating some of the details about what Obama’s campaign did. And the Obama campaign “misstep” was documented in writing.
Posted by: Mary | March 8, 2008, 5:22 pm 5:22 pm
There will be riots in the streets in Denver (and throughout America) if Hillary and the Clintons are allowed to steal this election.
The Democratic Party will be no more and Hillary will go down in history as the evil vile woman she is. She will make history all right. But in a way which even the revisionists cannot gloss over.
Face it. The Era of Clinton is over. And all that is left now, is for her to leave under whatever grace she can muster and allow the rest of her fanatic tribe the opportunity for a funeral moment in the passing of a bygone era.
Obama ’08!
Posted by: James | March 8, 2008, 5:24 pm 5:24 pm
Mary, I read the article–It said Clinton staffer made the flip flop comment and that Obama campaign was the one reported on–No one can yet explain why Obama’s name was even mentioned when it was Clinton’s campaign. Did you also know that Bill Clinton was in Toronto at that time meeting with his foundation folks–
Posted by: DQuinn | March 8, 2008, 5:26 pm 5:26 pm
DQuinn hey buddy. Perhaps you could explain Obama’s new Iraq policy as outlined by Powers in her BBC interview. Regards to your question, I was democrat when being a democrat wasn’t cool. And you?
Posted by: Dogsoldier | March 8, 2008, 5:30 pm 5:30 pm
Reports out there that many superdelegates are losing their patience are are about to come together to end this thing before it gets out of hand. They are hoping Obama has two big wins in WY and MS, then many will come out and endorse him and force Hillary to concede.
Posted by: Bob, DC | March 8, 2008, 5:30 pm 5:30 pm
James wrote “There will be riots in the streets in Denver (and throughout America) if Hillary and the Clintons are allowed to steal this election.”
The votes for Clinton have also value, especially because they represent the Democratic vote. And threating with riots is called “harassment”. This is what Obamania is: bullying to cover emptiness.
Posted by: Andy | March 8, 2008, 5:31 pm 5:31 pm
he is the most dangerous thing to come along and she’s dividing the party right now.
Party leaders, wake up, get up off your backsides and
DO SOMETHING!!!
She will bring the party down BIG TIME before she is finished!
Posted by: Sharon K | March 8, 2008, 5:31 pm 5:31 pm
Again, for all of you HRC supporters, what exactly is HRC’s actual experience? Rumsfeld, Cheney, etc., have all had first row seats to the WH for years and been in close quarters with a number of presidents, yet their experience didn’t add up to a hill of beans when it came to making sound judgment calls.
HRC’s “vicarious, virtual experience” doesn’t make her any more qualified to be POTUS than Obama. If you look at what they’ve actually accomplished in the U.S. Senate, in his 3+ year Senate career, Obama has passed more legislation/bills and has his name attahced to more legislation as sponsor or co-sponsor than HRC does. Do some research and gain some objectivity.
PS – Obama denounced the actions of his staff who put out the “punjab” comment and apologized directly to HRC for it and made it clear he would not stand for that type of “smear” campaign. Other than Power’s recent comment that was dealt with swiftly, what other “scorched earth” stuff has Obama personally engaged in or his campaign that has not been addressed?
Posted by: Eyzwidopn | March 8, 2008, 5:33 pm 5:33 pm
Dee.
I am not”Blindly following Obama”. I am actively opposing Hillary with very good vision.
Hillary and Bill had their 8 years in power. That is enough.
As a “blind” democrat, I could never see the success of the Clinton presidency. Yes, the economy was good. But we were expanding rapidly into a global market. Hard to loose on that. Now the economic cycle is down. That’s gonna happen.
Clinton did not reduce our dependence on foreign oil. Our per capita consumption actually went up.
Saddam ran freely killing his citizens during the Clinton years. Al Queda flourished.
Health care reforms – nada.
I do not want even the good ole Clinton days, much less the new ones.
Posted by: dean | March 8, 2008, 5:34 pm 5:34 pm
Well, basically this is what Obama supporters are doing, so call it straight. They are launching a scorched earth policy in this campaign too. Many have displayed their visceral hatred even making disgusting sexist remarks against the possible candidate Clinton. Calling for her to drop out, calling her more of the same, alleging she is ‘the most secretive politician in america’. So don’t play this game with me. I’m not stupid, and I’m not bought out by the Obamanation.
When you can’t get my vote, don’t start smearing my candidate then expect me to hold my nose and vote for you.
This argument works both ways.
Posted by: chris | March 8, 2008, 5:34 pm 5:34 pm
If superdelegates do that Bob, DC then expect Clinton supporter to vote en mass for McCain, plus throw in the FL and MI voters, not to mention Ohio you can explain how Obama get elected in the general with no caucuses to run up the score there Bob, DC.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | March 8, 2008, 5:37 pm 5:37 pm
I hope that the Democratic party does something before people make a big switch to to the independent middle.
Posted by: L | March 8, 2008, 5:37 pm 5:37 pm
Hillary won’t win – a whole group of past staff and I mean over 50 are going to take an ad out in the paper for Obama soon, they have stories to share they said and they are seriously things that nightmares are made of!
Don’t get dragged into Clintons bullying, once again a Clinton is not a good role model for our children.
Posted by: Michelle | March 8, 2008, 5:39 pm 5:39 pm
Chris – If Obama had lost 11 in a row… or say 5 in a row, the powers in the DNC would have forced him to concede. It’s only because of HRC and Bill’s tenacles in the DNC/DLC that the calls for her to concede have come so late and by so little.
Posted by: Eyzwidopn | March 8, 2008, 5:39 pm 5:39 pm
According to the ABC website, the popular vote is about even with Hillary ahead by some 5,000 votes and Obama has a 100 delegate lead. Obama has by no means clined it though he has had several opportunities to do so. Obama supporters will say Hillary is undercutting the party, but it’s just a hard-fought contest. Testing Obama is a plus, whether Hillary wins or the young Obama overcomes the challenge.
Posted by: hopesprings52 | March 8, 2008, 5:40 pm 5:40 pm
Educated voters back Obama and will not vote for Hillary. Nuff said!
Posted by: Level Headed | March 8, 2008, 5:41 pm 5:41 pm
chris – Are you talking about what the commenters on the internet are saying? You can’t really blame the campaigns for that. The article is about what the campaigns themselves are doing. There certainly has been plenty of mud flying both ways, but the actual name-calling has been extremely rare, and the last one led to resignation.
Posted by: jock59801 | March 8, 2008, 5:42 pm 5:42 pm
1.I have stayed glued to the tv with this election.
2. I see how the media a roll in determaning who will become the democratic nominee
3. If Obama is not given a fair chance it will forever change America. The world will know how weak of a country we really are. It will destroy almost everything we stand for as a people.
4. Not just Amarican’s want change, but the world wants change. The world would like to see America change its ways. What better way to show the world that we are not full of evil white men like Bush and divisive white women like Hillary Clinton, than to play by the rules. let the people have their say.
Posted by: Crystal | March 8, 2008, 5:43 pm 5:43 pm
The FACT is that Obama IS NOT qualified to be commander in chief. Clinton has to make sure democrats are thinking of this when they vote for the nominee.
FACT is that McCain IS immensely qualified to be commander in chief.
You may not agree that Sen.Clinton is qualified … but the perception is that she IS. And while people may think its unfair… BIll being by her side may be part of the reason for that perception.
Sen.Clinton is pointing the obvious VAST chasm between Obama and MCcain. If the repubs could beat John kerry a viet war vet who surely passed the commander in chief test Obama will be kids play for them…
Bottom Line : Obama is not qualified and yes clinton is doing everyone a favour by remindign them of the definign issue of 2008. The democratic nominee should atleast pass the minimum threshold adn Obama does not.
HE can harp all he wants about ‘judgement’. I am sure if Sears tower in Chicago had gone down in place of WTC in NY he would not have run around making empty speeches at anti-war rallies in chicago.
Posted by: anika | March 8, 2008, 5:44 pm 5:44 pm
another rule of politics is you don’t come on stage to make your winning speech until your opponent has finsished their concession speech. where was gary hart when obama did that.
and obamaa has been calling hillary unlectable, divisive and “nice enough” since day one. and now we know what the obama camp says about her when the cameras and tape recorders aren’t rolling – or when they think they aren’t anyway
Posted by: tex | March 8, 2008, 5:44 pm 5:44 pm
Dogsoldier,
First–As far as I am concerned being a democrat has NEVER been uncool–Second, I missed the BBC interview with Powers–am I supposed to feel inferior to your superior intelligence for watching British news?
I know Obama, Clinton, and even McCain’s issues. I keep up Buddy, but I still think you are a republican–after 7 years of paying attention I know a republican argument when I see one. If you are truly a dem–then take a deep breath and give all of the facts when you speak and I’ll pay attention.
Posted by: DQuinn | March 8, 2008, 5:48 pm 5:48 pm
Absolutely ~ the leaders in the Democratic party should not let the Clinton’s destroy our party while trying to get back into the WH. I am happy to see that Gary Hart spoke out. Where are the others? Whre is John Kerry, where is Teddy? Where is Bill Richardson and where in the world is John Edwards, the man of integrity????If the Demo party does not get some backbone, and quick, I am going to have to make a stand and visit the Independent party. Now I am not saying I would vote Repub, but I want to be with a party that has integrity and ethics. Thanks for the article!
Posted by: Claudia Miller | March 8, 2008, 5:50 pm 5:50 pm
Crystle, us poor uneducated vote are just gonna jive on over and do like the master elite tell us what to do. How eloquent your arguments. How magnificent your reasoning. Wow! How can the world not wait for your next incredible sentence to sway us to you will. We wait. Obama the Messiah! Obama, mankind’s next best hope. Do tell.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | March 8, 2008, 5:53 pm 5:53 pm
There is a real story here….it’s about what a great negotiator Hillary is to get 50 superdelegates to back off by proving her point.
The real story is that the woman continues to stand up for Universal Health care despite the political expediancy of the postion of Obama/
The real story here is how vital she was as a “First Lady” and that “words do matter” in places like China where she stood up for Human and Womens’ Rights when it was not so politically expediant.
The real story here is that even with the most negative press that anyone has ever had to endure she has earned her right to continue on with this campaign.
The real story here is that Obama is developing positions and learning how to manage people rather than just inspire them with words.
Make no mistake Democrats are on the rise. I can feel the change coming just around the bend and Bush is not on that train.
Posted by: J Allen | March 8, 2008, 5:54 pm 5:54 pm
its sad to hear that even after so many deaths caused by dubya, there are those who still don’t care about the thousands of mourning families by playing ignorant to the incompetence that has led to their pain….shame on you republicans…..you may claim to love America and care about our troops, but actions speak louder than words
Posted by: chris | March 8, 2008, 5:54 pm 5:54 pm
Nobody has harmed the Democratic party yet. We have two good candidates, debating Democratic issues, and bringing record numbers of new voters out to the polls, while John McCain is busy begging Republicans to vote for him. McCain wouldn’t have a chance against either of these two.
Posted by: jock59801 | March 8, 2008, 5:54 pm 5:54 pm
>> another rule of politics is you
>> don’t come on stage to make your
>> winning speech until your opponent
>> has finsished their concession
>> speech. where was gary hart when
>> obama did that.
How about congratulating your opponent instead of using way more time than a concession should last throwing the good ol’ propaganda around?
Hillary hasn’t lost yet. Not according to her spin doctors. She has been duped by unfair caucusses, black voters who don’t count, small states that don’t count, bad budgetting and campaign management on her side which are someone else’s fault, etc.
I don’t think does concession speaches. I think she simply can’t quit. I am sure she thinks it IS a river in Egypt.
Posted by: Martin | March 8, 2008, 5:54 pm 5:54 pm
Karen,
What does “clined” mean?
Posted by: Rooster3 | March 8, 2008, 5:55 pm 5:55 pm
Dogsoldier:
I am suspect of anyone who claims to be a Dem who says they will vote for McCain if Hillary is not the Dem nominee. McCain is willing to stay in Iraq for 100 years; he favors continuing tax cuts to the wealthy; he will nominate conservative Supremes; and he may try to overturn Roe v Wade. Is that what you Hillaryphiles want? Get real.
Posted by: Bob, DC | March 8, 2008, 5:55 pm 5:55 pm
Only Senator Clinton will work for and achieve those policies and proposals that are in the best interest of our children, our troops and America…..we all know this to be true, but there are some who don’t want to publicly admit it
Posted by: chris | March 8, 2008, 5:57 pm 5:57 pm
The people saying there will be riots in the streets aren’t Obama supporters. It’s others trying to make them look crazy. If Senator Obama fairly loses then he loses. But think about this, for all of his inexpereince, he’s dead even with someone whose husband was President, she ignored him in the beginning, because she thought regardless the American people would have to take her. . .we don’t. She doesn’t have the skill to already begin to heal the country now, if she really plans to be the President, stop acting like if you don’t vote for her then you’re an idiot, how does that translate to someone who can heal even bigger problems?
Posted by: Michelle | March 8, 2008, 5:57 pm 5:57 pm
Take notice folks, “The People” are going to determine the outcome in this election, not the media, get use to it. We followed the media last election and look at what we’ve got now. My memory is not as short as your research would suggest. OBAMA ’08
Posted by: Ken | March 8, 2008, 5:58 pm 5:58 pm
Why is it HILLARY, that’s destroying the party and not OBAMA??? They are tied, if Obama was in Hillary’s position, would people call on him to step down? God, I am so sick of this kindof commentary. Now, people are blaming HIllary for doing WELL in Ohio and Texas? Face it guys, Obama didn’t close the deal. Obama has lopped as much at Hillary as she has on him. All you liberals better quit your whining… either one of our candidates will have to be TOUGH up against John McCain. Right now, it’s looking like Hillary is tougher.
Posted by: An opinion | March 8, 2008, 5:58 pm 5:58 pm
I have to say that equating Hillary’s campaign with the heinous crimes of the My Lai massacre is really outrageous. Tapper may as well say that he agrees with Samantha Power. Historically, our presidents have usually had governor experience or senate experience. Obama has had a few years in the Senate in which he admits he wasn’t able to fully carry out his duties “because he was runnng for president.” Is it not appropriate to test this person before he steps into the most powerful job in the world?
Posted by: hopesprings52 | March 8, 2008, 5:59 pm 5:59 pm
Hilary herself has stated she prefers McCain to Obama. We are freeing her from the Dem nomination so she can commit full time to McCain. Go BO
Posted by: Bill | March 8, 2008, 6:03 pm 6:03 pm
To all of you who seem to love bashing Hillary Clinton I am going to give you something to ponder. Obama is being endorsed by two of the biggest racists in this country. You know who they are. Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton. hat i am seeing here to me is Deja-Vu. While living in NYC between the years 1989-1993 I saw a great city fall apart due to someone who made promises he could not keep. His name is David M Dinkins who at the time won the election for Mayor of the City of new York. He just barely squeaked out the win over (R) Rudy Giuliani. He was saying he wanted to unite the city as one. He fell short big time. At the end of his term there was more racial divide then there was when he took office. He not only pissed of the blacks in NYC he pissed off everyone. I see he is now supporting Mrs Clinton. Maybe he realized that Obama is running his presidential campaign just like he ran his mayoral run and does not want to see this happen again in a bigger arena. This is coming from a man who back in 1984 and 1988 supported Jessie Jackson for president. Here is a quote from Mr Dinkins during his race for Mayor and tell me this does not sound just like Obama. Just substitute President for Mayor “I’m confident that, were I mayor, I would do some things differently than he has. But I think there’s a world of difference between him and his immediate predecessor.” Unfortunately the person he took over for was Mayor Ed Koch who did a great job in NYC. 4 years later when Dinkins who ran unopposed in the Democratic Mayoral primary lost by a landslide running up against Rudy G for a second time. It’s all there in black and white. All you need to do is search for David M Dinkins and let the rest speak for it self. A good deal of the black people in this country are following Obama simply because he is black and for no other reasons. One may even wonder that if Obama had been in the Senate when the vote to invade Iraq if he would have been for it. Since he was not he is using that as an excuse to go after Hillary. People do make mistakes and if Obama is elected president it may be just as big of a mistake as having Bush in office. THINK ABOUT THAT AND THINK HARD.
Posted by: EcRocker | March 8, 2008, 6:05 pm 6:05 pm
While I admire Obama’s race I think the time has come for him to go after her by calling on the Democratic elders to do something before she hands the election to McCain. If he is unable to slam dunk her on their past stink, then perhaps he can ask Al Gore, John Edwards, and others to speak to them. They are on the run now as it is. Now we have Bill the Perv in Mississippi saying that Hillary would be open to Obama being HER VP…LOL they are desperate. Obama leads in the popular vote, the delegates vote and is a better person for this job and they know it. Time to ask the Democratic elders to take out the trash.
Posted by: Sam | March 8, 2008, 6:06 pm 6:06 pm
Hillary may have years of experience they’re not accompanied by accomplishments. She bungled the health care initiative so badly that it completely disappeared off the Clinton agenda and contributed to the loss of the Democratic congressional majority in ’94. This after 19 years of “experience” as she claims 35 now. In 1999 (with 26 years of experience) she embraced and kissed Suha Arafat after Arafat accused Israel of using poison gas on Palestinian children and poisoning the water in the occupied territories. Is this who we want dealing with foreign leaders? Do we want another 4 or 8 years of White Water, Travelgate, renting the Lincoln bedroom, the funny business after Vince Foster’s suicide, questionable pardons, Monica-gate and on and on? She has no regard for party or, for that matter, for the country – only for her own ambitions.
Posted by: Marshall | March 8, 2008, 6:06 pm 6:06 pm
I voted for Hilary in the New York Primary and donated to her campaign. I now regret that. Hilary’s behavior has demonstrated that she is unfit to be President. If Obama wins I shall vote for him in November; if Hilary wins I shall vote for McCain and donate heavily to his campaign.
Posted by: Jim | March 8, 2008, 6:07 pm 6:07 pm
chris, you do NOT speak for all of us!
I will not admit what isn’t true – which brings us to another campaign issue…I will not vote for Clinton. Clinton has no honor. Clinton has no integrity. I WILL, however, vote for someone who DOES have honor and integrity – that person is Obama!
Honor and Integrity in our President FIRST!!!
Posted by: NanD | March 8, 2008, 6:07 pm 6:07 pm
Bob DC gotta get who’s attacking me straight. Right, McCain. That was in response to someone else who (loosely stated back on this blog)you’re not a democrat if you don’t vote Obama. I responded that you just kicked 13 plus million out of the dem party. And someone else said the super delegates would gang up and force Hillary out. And I responded, I think, to do that is to force Clinton supporters to vote en mass for McCain. Which I do think is actual truth.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | March 8, 2008, 6:08 pm 6:08 pm
I never voted for Bush, I did vote for Clinton and he was as “In experienced” as Obama, actually when he ran for governor of Arkansas he was only 32 – should he have had this chance?
Posted by: Michelle | March 8, 2008, 6:08 pm 6:08 pm
Each one is doing his/her best to win the nomination. They both have employed “political” tactics. The higher your pedestal, the farther you fall.
Posted by: Joy | March 8, 2008, 6:10 pm 6:10 pm
I was confused when a veteran wrote that having My Lai in the title was offensive. Did not quite understand. I am a vet who served 69-72 and knew exactly what the author was saying. The defense the soldiers gave was that “They needed to destroy the village of My Lai to save it.” Convoluted thinking but true so do not know why you were offended since it matched what he was blogging about. Hillary was going to destroy the party to save it. You may not agree with what he writes but the reference would be correct. You might let me know if I totally missed your point. Thanks.
Posted by: Mike | March 8, 2008, 6:10 pm 6:10 pm
Karen,
The Clintons are very good people. They are true progressives, and if you look at their real story – they got into politics when they were young because they were so intelligent and compassionate.
When we are electing a presidential nominee, they have been easy on Barack only asking legitimate questions about his qualifications. They are questions that I asked myself, before any one in the press(?) or campaigns started asking. They are extremely important questions. There is no job more important to our country than that of President.
Just liking someone and what they say, does not qualify them to be president. That is why we currently have George Bush as our president.
I was extremely impressed by all they accomplished during Bill’s administration, and I have spoken with many seniors who say it was the most accomplished administration they experienced in their lifetimes. It was even more impressive, given the incessant unfair attacks and the difficult congress.
Even though I had been very impressed by Bill’s administration, I started out neutral between Hillary and Barack, because I wanted to evaluate both of them and determine who was truly most qualified. And the debates especially – wwhere knowledge and thinking on your feet is most prevalent, are what showed me that it was Hillary who is truly most qualified.
Hillary is solid. Barack seems to not really know what he is doing yet – and that is not what I want for our next presidency. The last thing we need is another inexperienced President right now. We can’t afford another ineffective presidency right now.
My sister was skeptical at first about Hillary, she hadn’t liked the gossip she had heard about her, but a few years ago when she went to hear her speak, she was totally won over by how intelligent and great Hillary was. I’ve been to see Bill speak – he was so incredibly intelligent. And I’ve watched them and observed what they’ve been through their entire national careers.
That is why it’s so difficult to read all this ‘Hillary hate.’ It’s all so wrong. These people truly don’t know what they are talking about.
The real substantial problems we have today all stem from the epidemia of hype, sensationalism, and misinformation.
This is what’s so sad.
The Obama campaign has fueled so much of this, and I have lost almost all my respect for them. It is, and has been for a while a deceptive, unfair, and utterly incredibly hypocritical because they started it by being so dismissive of all the Clintons’ real accomplishments.
They are extremely intelligent, compassionate people. That is why the Republicans found them so threatening and hated them so much – that is why they have been attacking them unfairly and ruthlessly for years. The Republicans will try to demonize anyone. They tried to demonize Jimmy Carter, and they succeeded in smearing him at the time (luckily he’s like a saint.)
There are many good people who support them in politics and without – Steven Spielberg, Leonardo D’Caprio, John Glenn, John Grisham.
Isn’t it interesting how everyone loved Bill once he wasn’t President anymore? Now all many of the same who praised him and his accomplishments are threatened because he is involved again.
But we need the Clintons’ expertise.
The people who spew things about Hillary are just being ignorant, hypocritical haters.
There are many extremely qualified competent people in politics like Hillary, Al Gore, and John Kerry, who may seem a bit stiffer, than Barack, or George Bush, but that does not mean that they are fake.
When you are being attacked from all sides, it is hard not to stiffen up.
But that has nothing to do with real qualifications for governing.
Hillary is the most knowledgeable. She has the best policies and plans.
She would govern our country the most efficiently and effectively.
I only hope that more people wil truly think about this.
Posted by: Lauren | March 8, 2008, 6:18 pm 6:18 pm
Hillary Clinton is not morally qualified to be president of the United States – period.
Posted by: susan | March 8, 2008, 6:21 pm 6:21 pm
What is funny is the idea that Clinton is pushing out, stating that because she won the big states and Obama has not, that he will not in the general election…California and New York nearly always vote dem in the general election, so logic would state Obama will win them in the general election as the democratic candidate…
Posted by: jonah | March 8, 2008, 6:23 pm 6:23 pm
Hillary is short-sighted and doesn’t have a vision except to capture power and win at all cost.
When asked about her negative campaign hurting democrats her reply is ‘memories are short’ people will get over it. Cannot believe her attitude. If she is the democratic nominee, I’m voting mccain or not voting at all.
Posted by: badfordems | March 8, 2008, 6:25 pm 6:25 pm
Good point Lauren. The fact is that Hillary spoke of Obama as a possible vice-presidential running mate to pacify and win over some of the “Super-delegates”. It seems pretty obvious to me, and this speaks to her sneaky dishonest ways. She is a good woman and American but she is too questionable when it comes to being our President…again, not because she is woman because a woman can do anything a man can do and often times better….but Hillary is not the PERSON for the job.
Posted by: Ken | March 8, 2008, 6:26 pm 6:26 pm
Nice pick-up on my thought Mark Twain (check 2:56:40 pm).
Posted by: Eyzwidopn | March 8, 2008, 6:28 pm 6:28 pm
Machiavellian or even Draconian would best describe the methods used by the Clintons. By the way, where are their tax records for 06 and 07?
Posted by: rockychance | March 8, 2008, 6:30 pm 6:30 pm
Im sorry, Mark Twain…I gave Lauren credit for your comments…forgive.
Posted by: Ken | March 8, 2008, 6:32 pm 6:32 pm
The kind of aggressive desperation and single-minded stubbornness that the Clinton camp is showing in this primary season better disappear if she somehow becomes president — it is the exact same set of characteristics (though aimed in a somewhat better direction) that got this nation into the problems it is neck deep in now. We do NOT want a president with these qualities. Now don’t get me wrong, I like her policies almost as much as Obama’s. I just feel she would be a much worse leader — specifically, she would further divide this country, whereas Obama might be able to bring it together and take it forward. Both candidates are very intelligent, rational thinkers, but unfortunately, Hillary’s stubbornness seems to cloud her judgment. It is true that Obama is not as experienced (though Hillary’s experience claims are clearly exxagerated), but one of the things that makes this a great country is it is NOT a dictatorship — there is plenty of advice incoming. Problems arise when leaders are too boneheaded to take it — as Bush is, and as I fear Clinton will be.
Posted by: nsheorey | March 8, 2008, 6:33 pm 6:33 pm
James:——-.There will be riots in the streets in Denver (and throughout America) if Hillary and the Clintons are allowed to steal this election.
The Democratic Party will be no more and Hillary will go down in history as the evil vile woman she is. She will make history all right. But in a way which even the revisionists cannot gloss over.
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If there are riots throughout America from the Obama’s supporters, you better believe that all Hillary’s supporters will join together with the Republican Party. Not because we support the Republican’s issues because we support America. Hillary’s supporters will do whatever is needed to save our streets from being destroy from Obama’s supporters. If we have to stand strong as one with Republican for our country, we will stand as one.
Posted by: sj7465 | March 8, 2008, 6:36 pm 6:36 pm
The end is near for this Clinton barrage and I will tell you why: more and more people are paying attention and listening…and this is bad for those that depend on old methods of politics. The Clintons had their time in American politics and many people were ready to chock the Clinton years into the positive column…not any more. With this latest political crusade the Clintons have sealed the book on their legacy. To me that is pretty sad considering many of us thought of them positively even after the neocons disgusting attempt to vilify Bill. They had a decent image that will forever be tainted by the events of the last few months. As more people wake up and see whats really going on, namely the politics of the past going against a new political movement….the resistence from many people will decrease AND increase in Barack’s favor. And its not really just Barack Obama…its people like me and you….who are going to take part in our government and reject the politics of old…. its time to turn the page and neither the Clintons or the Bushs will stand in the way for long.
Posted by: Ken | March 8, 2008, 6:40 pm 6:40 pm
If Hillary cannot manage her family of 3, how can she manage 250 million people? She couldn’t even manage 1 man, America has 250 million. If she says she’s tough it should have reflected in her ability to manage Bill. Wat was wrong with her upping her sex game to wear Bill out preventing him from going out, that would have shown her strength, determination and drive.
Posted by: Duak | March 8, 2008, 6:40 pm 6:40 pm
If Hillary doesn’t attack Obama, then the Republican mean machine will attack Obama the same way. It is important to fight it out, so that each candidate is shaken thoroughly before they confront the Republican nominee. Let’s get the heavy duty stuff out of the way so that each candidate has practice of what is to come.
By the way, I don’t see Obama is a different kind of candidate. His track record does not match his speech. He worked across the aisle, but so did Clinton. The point is what issues did he work across the aisle. Is it American apple pie issues that any senator can do. For example, getting more money for veteran. There is nothing controversial about this kind of issue. Did Obama work across the aisle on controversial issue to prove that he can lead and unite? NO. He was AWOL on immigration bill, for example. If you look at all the major controversial bills, no where did Obama take the lead with the Republican party.
He is anti-special interests? He took mmoney from Exceleon and changed the nuclear regulatory bill from mandating nuclear companies to report nuclear leak to volunteering the reporting of nuclear leak. What has Obama done in the past that examplify the fluff that he has been making big speeches about?
Posted by: Jack | March 8, 2008, 6:41 pm 6:41 pm
Ken,
tell me then just what have they said about Barack that has not been true?
It’s true that many of the people who are voting for Hillary are older, wiser, have been around longer, and believe the results they see, not the rumors and gossip they hear.
We know what has happened, what they have been through, and what they accomplished in spite of it all.
There are far more Obama supporters who are ‘haters’ in general – could you please *be* *more* hypocritical?
Hillary is offering to put Obama on the ticket because she is a true Democrat, she has always been about Hope, Change, and Unity – it is why she became a Democrat – that is what her husband delievered when he was President – that is what she has tried to do in her life.
If Barack were truly about hope, change, and unity – what is best for our party, and what more than half of the people in our party actually want Hillary more than him – he would consider being on the ticket with Hillary.
But is he really just all talk after all?
We’ll see.
Posted by: Lauren | March 8, 2008, 6:42 pm 6:42 pm
John, I am military and I disagree with you. I have been to Afghanistan, Korea, etc.. and your politics of fear is the last thing we need. Strong military= yes… a person in the WH who does not know how to use them= No. NO. NO.
Posted by: Ken | March 8, 2008, 6:44 pm 6:44 pm
It’s not so much the fact that we are a democracy that people dislike — it’s more that we are arrogant, stubborn, paranoid, and self-righteous to no end. It is not our place to tell people how to live. If people see that our country is progressing well and that our government works, maybe they’ll adopt one similar. Right now all we are doing is falling behind, as most of western Europe passes us by and much of Asia begins the process of catching up. Take a look at Norway, for example — democratic country, forward-looking, humble, cooperative — way ahead of the US in human development index, and in far less danger of terrorism.
Posted by: nsheorey | March 8, 2008, 6:45 pm 6:45 pm
I am frustrated by most of the info on these blogs. Can anyone give me why they vote for a candidate with facts? All I want is facts and not running down the media and the other candidate. What is your candidate going to do about all the real issues facing the USA? I’m undecided and would love to have intelligent arguments for each candidate without somehow running down the opponent. I will be very happy if people could help me out. Thanks.
Posted by: Mike | March 8, 2008, 6:45 pm 6:45 pm
Hillary floats the idea that Obama might be a good running mate. However, anyone who knows her is aware that she will never be second banana to Obama. Her ego would never allow that. She will take down the party before she bows out. This goes all the way to the convention. McCain smiles all they way.
Posted by: strangelove | March 8, 2008, 6:49 pm 6:49 pm
Scorch earth? I can’t think of any group more responsible for the more heated words more than the journalists. I watched ABC this evening. “Obama WINS Wyoming.” Not one mention that it is 12 delegates and that far from being a SWEEP, it is 8 delegates for him and 4 for Senator Clinton. Oh, and in the general, this is a Republican state. Please, name me three large states — read votes rather than caucus — that he has carried and then project into the fall. Why doesn’t he want to see Michigan re-vote? Because yet another loss in a must win big state shows that he can’t beat McCain. Are we going to go 0 for 3? No Gore, No Kerry, No Obama? Gee, that inspires most Democrats, don’t you think?
Posted by: beebopareebop | March 8, 2008, 6:52 pm 6:52 pm
I think there is an issue of amnesia here:
Jonathan Chait forgot that Obama did not got return of investment (ROI) in Ohio, Texas and Rhode Island primary where he spent twice the millions of dollars than what Hillary spent for making the case that Clinton is unfit to set foot in the White House
Peggy Noonan forgot that Obama have demonstrated that he is also a most divisive figure between White collars and Blue collars, Blacks, Whites and Latinos.
Sen. Gary Hary have forgot the NAFTA Canada case where Obama’s advisor did the double talk with Canada and US, damaging Democrats and US credibility to become Presidential nominee.
Jonathan Chait, Peggy Noonan and Sen. Gary Hary are the ones that ignoring the facts on Obama and crying “Wolf” on Hillary to cover the Truth.
Posted by: JS | March 8, 2008, 6:55 pm 6:55 pm
For the sake of the party and the future of this country, please, Mr. Obama, take the Vice-Pres. position on the ticket. You’ll be Pres. soon enough–2012. Right now, I won’t vote for you over Clinton or McCain. You’re just not ready. Please don’t make me vote republican for the first time in my life. :-(
Posted by: Joe | March 8, 2008, 6:59 pm 6:59 pm
Did any of you listen to Obama on the news tonight when asked about a Clinton-Obama ticket? He came right out and said NO WAY would he be the VP under Clinton.
Posted by: EcRocker | March 8, 2008, 7:00 pm 7:00 pm
Obama is the one tearing the party apart. Hillary is the best to lead the party. Obama can never defeat the Republicans with their swift boat tactics. The best bet is Hillary with Obama as VP. Obama should agree to this to help unify the party. He can become president after Hillary. Hillery is trying to unify the party by agreeing to run with Obama on the same ticket. Obama is destroying the party by saying he wants to continue to fight. This is against all that Obama says he stands for. Obama is obviously the opposite of what he says to win votes.
I remember how everyone wanted to vote for Bush in the last election. Now the same people are rushing to vote for Obama. A big mistake. Hillary is doing the right thing by trying to stop the public from making a mistake by putting someone without experience into the presidency.
Hillary now for 8 years and then 8 years for Obama will be the best for the Democrats. Get smart and nominate Hillary with Obama to get more experience as the VP.
I always vote Democratic. I will vote for Obama if he is nominated. Democrates must defeat the Republicans this time or we are all doomed.
Posted by: DemocratForever | March 8, 2008, 7:01 pm 7:01 pm
Peggy Noonan is a disgrace. She is making it her life’s work to attack Hillary Clinton. She writes of nothing else and attacks Senator Clinton in the most vile ways. Who can listen to her and hear anything worthwhile since she is so biased? I can hear both sides of an argument but only if both sides are presented. Peggy never does that. Hillary Clinton isn’t “destroying” anything. She’s campaigning and has every right to do so. Why is Obama entitled to this nomination and not her? Why are his attacks okay? His mocking, arrogant tone allowed to pass, but her attacks are the equivalent of killing small children in the minds of the press? For some reason the press and the Obama-ites have decided that SHE should give up, not him. It’s disturbing and yet it continues. He can’t get to 2025 either and he isn’t winning the states the dems need to win. Don’t listen to Peggy Noonan, republican extraordinare. She shouldn’t be discussing a race where she won’t be supporting either candidate.
Posted by: Vic | March 8, 2008, 7:03 pm 7:03 pm
And let’s stop the taxrecord b.s. Where are Obama’s Rezko closing docs? Hillary should trade him tax records for full diclosure on Rezko and stop letting the Obama-robots demand of her what Obama won’t give himself–full disclosure.
Posted by: Vic | March 8, 2008, 7:06 pm 7:06 pm
Obama is conducting a far gentler campaign than Clinton. He has not resorted to most of the smear tactics the Clinton campaign has used.
Also, Obama will never be Clinton’s VP. You cannot slander and character assasinate someone in order to defeat him and then ask him to be your VP.
In this world, there are builders, maintainers, and destroyers. Obama is a builder; the Clintons are destroyers. The Democratic party will be severely scarred by the Clintons by the time November arrives.
Posted by: Seth | March 8, 2008, 7:08 pm 7:08 pm
If Hillary is so tough, how come she is so scared to release her tax returns? Will Republican let her move the goal post that she will release her tax return when she becomes president?
Looking at her behaviour, one can predict that she may very soon starts saying that she will release her tax return when she becomes president. What’s next? She will say she will release her tax return when she leaves whitehouse!
Posted by: bkkarna | March 8, 2008, 7:09 pm 7:09 pm
I can’t believe that some of you so-called Democrats would vote for McCain over Hillary or Obama. Do you want to stay in Iraq for 100 years? Or watch the dollar depreciate even more? NO!
Don’t let the media fracture our party and split our vote. Wake up!
Democrats will be united in November.
Posted by: Michelle | March 8, 2008, 7:09 pm 7:09 pm
Obama is a dirty, corrupt politican.
It’s a matter of time before the REZKO trial plays out and we ALL see him exactly for what he is. Nothing by a dirty, lying, corrupt thief of a politican!
Before he totally disgraces our party, he should bow out now so we can build some real unity!
Clinton / Harold Ford ’09!
Posted by: TruthBeTold | March 8, 2008, 7:23 pm 7:23 pm
For all you kids out there who do not remember who Gary Hart is well I can tell you that he did not lose the primary to Mondale because of attacks by Mondale. He lost because he said that rumors about him and other women were lies and he invited the press to follow him. Well they took him up on it and a picture was taken with a woman not his wife on his lap on a boat with the name Monkey Business. Mr. Harts demise had nothing to do with tough political tactics rather it was ask and ye shall receive.
Posted by: russell | March 8, 2008, 7:28 pm 7:28 pm
There is too much misinformation and hating.
That is what is wrong with this country.
That is why we have Superdelegates.
Hillary Clinton is an incredibly good hard, working woman. Many of you who think otherwise would probably have also insisted that the women in Salem Massachusetts were witches, and that the world is indeed, flat.
It’s just another form of ignorance and prejudice.
You are being irrational, paranoid, simple-minded, and hateful.
You don’t know her, the people who know her, like her.
Freud would have had a field day with all of you.
Posted by: Lauren | March 8, 2008, 7:28 pm 7:28 pm
Starting with Senior Bush as VP for Reagan if Clinton win it would be a Bush or Clinton in the White House from 1981 to 2016 if Clinton runs 2 terms.How could any one with a straight face call this a democracy with hundreds of scandals between the 2 families.That alone is enough to vote far Barack.Who’s next Chelsea or Bush nephew.
Posted by: don | March 8, 2008, 7:30 pm 7:30 pm
Again, for all of you HRC supporters, what exactly is HRC’s actual experience or how has she met that mythical “Commander & Chief threshold” she lays claim to? Can anyone answer that?
Rumsfeld, Cheney, etc., have all occupied first row seats in the WH for years and been in close quarters with a number of presidents, yet their collective experience didn’t add up to a hill of beans when it came to making sound judgment calls.
Here’s the truth. HRC’s “vicarious, virtual experience” doesn’t make her any more qualified to be POTUS than Obama. If you look at what they’ve actually accomplished in the U.S. Senate, in his 3+ year Senate career Obama has passed more legislation/bills and has his name attached to more legislation as sponsor or co-sponsor than HRC does. He’s been to 14 countries in that short time and worked on national/global issue like nuclear proliferation. Do some research and gain some objectivity.
PS – Obama denounced the actions of his staff who put out the “punjab” comment and apologized directly to HRC for it and made it clear he would not stand for that type of “smear” campaign. Other than Power’s recent comment that was dealt with swiftly, what other “scorched earth” stuff has Obama personally engaged in or his campaign that has not been addressed?
Posted by: Eyzwidopn | March 8, 2008, 7:32 pm 7:32 pm
I think the Democrats have already lost the general election, but it’s naive to place sole blame on the Clinton campaign. Howard Dean and the DNC have proven themselves more pompous, dictatorial, and far less “democratic” than the RNC in their attempts to punish states for not following their rules. And, Obama just doesn’t GET why his “message” ISN’T inspiring so many of us. (His popular vote lead is quite small compared to the total number of people who voted as Democrats in the various primaries.) The media and his supporters call us “uneducated, racists, Latinos, and old women”, as if labelling us in that manner makes it O.K. to totally ignore what is important to us. Bad strategy.
Posted by: RMB | March 8, 2008, 7:37 pm 7:37 pm
EYZWIDOPN: Don’t take my word that he is not prepared his own top foregin policy adviser Susan Rice said on the Tucker Carlson show that Mr. Obama was not ready to take the 3:00 a.m. call and therefore not ready to be president. He has to convince them before he can convince the rest of us.
Posted by: russell | March 8, 2008, 7:41 pm 7:41 pm
Americans have shown a persistent character this days. They ellect what they trully deserve. They voted for George Bush and that was what they deseved seven years ago. The consequence of that vote was the 9/11 disaster and the Iraq quagmire. The raping of their privacy and hate by most people in the world. Do they learn? Seems not. So this time arround, once again, they deserve Hillary Clinton.
Posted by: Observer | March 8, 2008, 7:43 pm 7:43 pm
pespiloverforever – you’re so witty… but where’s the answer to the question? If you can’t give one, as no HRC supporter seems to be able to do, then concede that HRC has not met that “Commander & Chief threshold” or verifiable experience to be POTUS over Obama and that hers is a hollow claim.
Posted by: Eyzwidopn | March 8, 2008, 7:43 pm 7:43 pm
Obama is a dirty, corrupt politican.
It’s just a matter of time before the REZKO trial plays out and we ALL see him exactly for what he is. Nothing by a dirty, lying, corrupt thief of a politican!
REZKO, REZKO, REZKO, REZKO, REZKO,
Before Obama totally disgraces our party, he should bow out now so we can build some real unity!
Hillary Clinton / Harold Ford ’08!
Posted by: TruthBeTold | March 8, 2008, 7:45 pm 7:45 pm
Russell, that’s not what Rice said. She said that only someone who has actually been president (not 1st lady) has experience with those 3 a.m. phone calls; and, in that regard, neither Obama or Clinton is prepared. And by the way, Clinton has said whoever answers that 3a.m. phone call has to make a decision then and there without waiting for advisors or experts. What emergency decisions is she going to make unilaterally?! Like maybe voting to go to war in Iraq without reading the National Security Estimate?
Posted by: Sue | March 8, 2008, 7:47 pm 7:47 pm
My mother used to say that I should be wary of people who tear others down just to build themselves up. Hillary seems to fit that statement.
Posted by: gail | March 8, 2008, 7:47 pm 7:47 pm
John writes:
“It has nothing to do with race.”
Posted by: Navarro | March 8, 2008, 7:48 pm 7:48 pm
Truthbetold: Now there’s a winning ticket! Hillary/Ford 08! Yes we got ourselves a winner!
Posted by: russell | March 8, 2008, 7:48 pm 7:48 pm
To all of you disaffected Democrates out there, you are welcome to vote for John McCain this November.
Posted by: Phil | March 8, 2008, 7:50 pm 7:50 pm
Russell – good point, but she clarified her position further in that interview to mean that until you’ve been POTUS and had to take that call, we won’t know who’s ready and can only make that judgment based of what each candidate has shown. Obama was right on Iraq, right on Pakistan, and right on our neglect of Latin America, especially in light of events this past week. HRC and McCain showed poor judgment on Iraq and HRC continued to follow Bush on Iran.
Check out the whole Rice interview and not just the soundbite being tossed out there.
Posted by: Eyzwidopn | March 8, 2008, 7:52 pm 7:52 pm
Obama is only dividing the party. He needs to get out of the race–he will NEVER win in November. The latest polls show Hillary as the only Democrat beating McCain. I for one, will NEVER vote for Obama. He has been proven a lier so many times but people look over it. I will switch parties and actively support and campaign for McCain if Obama becomes the nominee.
Posted by: df | March 8, 2008, 7:53 pm 7:53 pm
Darrell,
We need to raise legitimate questions about qualifications.
I guarantee you if Barack were an eloquent white man with only 3 years national senate experience, all the same questions would come up.
After all the success of the Clinton years, and all the failures of the Bush years, no issue is more important to me than qualifications.
From CBS’s “For the Record”
Clinton set her sights on more manageable goals, like creating the State Children’s Health Care Program and increasing vaccination rates.
Still, behind the scenes she had the last word on so many issues, staffers had a nickname for her: “The Supreme Court.”
It was her idea to tap Janet Reno for attorney general … and Madeleine Albright for secretary of state.
Clinton has cited her extensive travel – 80 trips as First Lady – as part of her foreign policy experience. She promoted microfinance in Latin America, peace in Bosnia and, famously, human rights in China.
In the Senate:
“She went into the Senate not as a show horse but as a work horse,” said former Hillary Clinton press secretary Lisa Caputo.
Learning the Senate power structure, landing a coveted spot on the Senate Armed Services Committee, and reaching out to former Republican foes.
She teamed with Bill Frist on modernizing medical record – and with Tom DeLay on foster care. She teamed with Lindsay Graham, who had led the impeachment effort against her husband, on benefits for veterans. She worked with Newt Gingrich on health care policy.
“We were agreeing with each other so much, I think people were thinking: ‘the end is near!’” Clinton said about her collaboration with Gingrich.
“The most fascinating thing about Clinton in the Senate was to hear the conservative Republicans that had gone back home and often advanced their own political careers by using Hillary as the great whipping person,” said Norman Ornstein of the American Enterprise Institute, “going around saying privately and for some of them publicly, ‘wow what a nice person and what a terrific colleague.’”
– End quote
Posted by: Lauren | March 8, 2008, 7:55 pm 7:55 pm
Hillary just said the fact, if you pretend do not know the fact, you cannot go to the gerneral election.
we all know NAFTA-gate, Obama is saying one thing and doing another thing.
we now know Obama’s plan withdraw from Iraq is just a campaign rhetoric again(his aid said in U.K)
what a kind of politician?
Posted by: joe | March 8, 2008, 7:55 pm 7:55 pm
Sue: Look at the video again. She did say that he was not prepared to take the call. I know they think Hillary is not prepared. Ms. Powers also said to the BBC that Mr. Obama’s promise to have all U.S. forces out of Iraq in 16 mo. was based on a plan he is putting out for the election and should not be taken as to what he would do if elected sound familar. Similar to what the told the Canadians about Nafta.
Posted by: russell | March 8, 2008, 7:55 pm 7:55 pm
Hillary/Harold Ford 08…A great ticket! Harold has everything that Obama doesn’t have–Experience, knowledge, honesty, and especially class!!
Posted by: df | March 8, 2008, 7:57 pm 7:57 pm
Wasn’t it Mr. Obama who kept harping on the Iraq war vote and kept bringing Hillary down? Mr. Hart needs to look back to Iowa and the weeks before Iowa. If it was okay for Obama to pull Hillary down, it is fair game for Hillary to question Obama too. There is nothing in his background to point to his strength as commander-in-chief. If there is, he better speak-up and prove himself. Speaking out against the Iraq war does not make you fit enough to be a commander-in-chief. If it was, I would make one too. Yet, Mr. Hart knows that Mr. Obama kept at it again and again. He is doing that with the income taxes, he did that in Ohio with Nafta. No one likes double standards and that is why Mr. Obama is losing in the big states like Ohio.
Posted by: Voter | March 8, 2008, 7:58 pm 7:58 pm
Russell,
Not true. She said that any decision made on Iraq would necessarily be dependent on what is going on on the ground in Iraq at the time. To do any less would be grossly negligent
Posted by: Sue | March 8, 2008, 7:58 pm 7:58 pm
Sen. Clinton is positioning herself as the experienced democrat, however, Sen. McCain can, arguably, beat her in the “experience” department. He’s been a senator longer, served in the armed services and is older.
She is not only hurting Obama, she is self-destructing.
Posted by: G | March 8, 2008, 8:01 pm 8:01 pm
EYSWIDOPN: If Mr. Obama is so concerned about Afganistan why did he not hold one hearing as chairman of the subcommitte that ovesees NATO? Too busy? I guess that Mr. Obama just made the Taliban the comeback kids. More poor judgement. Poor judgement and no experience now thats change we can beleive in!
Posted by: russell | March 8, 2008, 8:02 pm 8:02 pm
df,
Count me too. I want to vote for someone at least we know his background well enough and what he stands for.
Posted by: stock_craft | March 8, 2008, 8:02 pm 8:02 pm
Actually Mr. Harold Ford belongs in Obama’s place. He is a better and more accomplished politician than Obama. Yet the winds favored Obama — most likely because of David Axelrod. Obama without David Axelrod would probably still be an Illinois state senator. Doesn’t anyone see the obvious — Bush&Rove, Obama&Axelrod. Do we want a repeat — let’s pick someone who understands policy!
Posted by: Voter | March 8, 2008, 8:05 pm 8:05 pm
How is it that Hillary wants everybody to believe that Obama is not experienced enough to be President, yet she would pick him as Vice-President if she is the nominee. Sounds to me like she wants to have her cake and eat it too. She wants to tear him down to get the nomination, but she wants his supporters to believe that he will still be on the ticket in Nov if she wins the nomination so that she can get his supporters votes now. Obviously, she knows that there is no way that she can win in November without Obama on the ticket. Obama’s supporters, however, know that he does not need her on the ticket if he wins the nomination. Obama has demonstrated time and again that he is the energy and life of the Democratic Party, not Clinton.
Posted by: gail | March 8, 2008, 8:06 pm 8:06 pm
Sue: He has stated time and time again that he would have U.S. forces out of Iraq in 16 mo. If he want’s to issue a clarification of his position then it should be made directly to the american people and not through some unpaid foreign policy advisor informing the British and not us.
Posted by: russell | March 8, 2008, 8:07 pm 8:07 pm
The Democrats will lose the White House if Hillary Clinton is nominated. She does not have enough “supporters” to win but she definitely has enough “enemies” to lose. Even if there is an agreement to a duo ticket, if Hillary Clinton is first on the ticket they will lose many, many Democrats and definitely Independents and America will be saying “Hello President-Elect McCain, Hello Iraq for 100 years, Hello more wars around the world, Hello more attacks on America from around the world”.
Posted by: KJ | March 8, 2008, 8:08 pm 8:08 pm
Russell,
He has. He’s said over and over again that he wants to get out of Iraq as carefully as we were careless getting in. My nephew is serving his second tour in Iraq. I don’t want him left there without adequate backup if the surge stops working. We have to be very careful correcting all of the Bush mistakes.
Posted by: Sue | March 8, 2008, 8:11 pm 8:11 pm
I think it right time the leaders of Dem Party and the people to end this political suicide mission.
Her Kamikaze mission is without any merits. At best, the chance of Dem Party will be fatally wounded.
If this family feud goes on, I am sure we will have another 4 years of Bush.
Posted by: Philip, NY | March 8, 2008, 8:15 pm 8:15 pm
Who are voting in the Caucus for Mr. Obama? Are they still supporting him in general election? Are those votes enough to beat John McCain in Red States? Get the answer yourself.
Posted by: stock_craft | March 8, 2008, 8:15 pm 8:15 pm
Hillary herself has said that she is like a Rorshact test, and it is true.
By offering to share the ticket with Barack, she is proving that she is truly a Democrat, devoted to her party and to Hope, Change, and Unity.
That is what our party has always been about. We are always about unifying for Hope and Change. That is what her husband delivered. That is what she has always tried to deliver.
If Barack is not willing to do so, it proves that he is more about talk, and saying what they think will help him win, than actuality and follow-through.
I am a devoted democrat, and I decided I didn’t think Barack was truly qualified or ready before I heard any one else say it. It is relatively obvious if you truly think about the issues.
In an emergency, he could become a President.
But he is so inexperienced.
He seems so unprepared in so many ways.
And I truly don’t think he could beat McCain in the general.
So stop blaming Hillary, there are many, many people who think deeply and comprehensively about these issues and reach the same conclusions.
Posted by: Lauren | March 8, 2008, 8:17 pm 8:17 pm
pespiloverforever,
“lets not ask him no questions that he might have to think to answer”
Ok then, lets not go to English class either….I think it’s a waste of time too.
By the way, Barack has been asked a great deal of questions which he has in turn answered. The fact that he does not enjoy tearing his democratic opponent down only speaks to his good character.
Posted by: Ken | March 8, 2008, 8:18 pm 8:18 pm
Lauren,
Hillary is not suggesting Obama as VP for the good of the party. She’s trying to get the party bigwigs to force Obama out of the race. And as for Obama’s inexperience, he has more than Lincoln had at America’s most crucial moment.
Posted by: Sue | March 8, 2008, 8:22 pm 8:22 pm
I can say “you go girl!” too….see, I did it. What does that prove? I have heard that so much. All you Hillary supporters have a major chip on your shoulder and you have been trying to play the “gender card” all along. It is weak, and as many women have stated all over the country, it does not represent most women’s views. I see nothing wrong with having a woman president, women can do anything a man can do and often times better. However, Hillary Clinton is not the right PERSON to be President. PERIOD.
Posted by: Ken | March 8, 2008, 8:23 pm 8:23 pm
Mr. Hart seems to think that Obama is similar to himself. He fails to recognize that he had won several big states including California and Ohio. I guess he does not want to lose again — desperation, Mr. Hart?
Posted by: Voter | March 8, 2008, 8:24 pm 8:24 pm
Sue, you are RIGHT! The only thing Hillary was doing by suggesting that she would accept Barack as VP is trying to play with the SD’s minds. However, it will not work and this is why: ACTUAL, REAL , BREATHING Americans support Barack….its not some kind of fad that will go away with Hillary’s mudslinging campaign. WE are here to stay ….like it or not, and that is why Hillary had to play that little game…because she knows that Barack has real support among SDs and individual voters.
Posted by: Ken | March 8, 2008, 8:27 pm 8:27 pm
If the democrats nominate Obama, he will be the Walter Mondale of 1984 — lose 49 states (except Illinois) to McCain!
Posted by: Voter | March 8, 2008, 8:28 pm 8:28 pm
The end is near for this Clinton barrage and I will tell you why: more and more people are paying
attention and listening…and this is bad for those that depend on old methods of politics. The
Clintons had their time in American politics and many people were ready to chock the Clinton years
into the positive column…not any more. With this latest political crusade the Clintons have sealed
the book on their legacy. To me that is pretty sad considering many of us thought of them positively
even after the neocons disgusting attempt to vilify Bill. They had a decent image that will forever be
tainted by the events of the last few months. As more people wake up and see whats really going on,
namely the politics of the past going against a new political movement….the resistence from many
people will decrease AND increase in Barack’s favor. And its not really just Barack Obama…its people
like me and you….who are going to take part in our government and reject the politics of old…. its
time to turn the page and neither the Clintons or the Bushs will stand in the way for long.
Posted by: Ken | March 8, 2008, 8:28 pm 8:28 pm
The following comments made by President Bill Clinton’s in 2005 comments are valid in 2008
“I mean, you know, this idea that somebody we disagree with on economic or social policy or something we have to turn into some kind of ogre or demon, I think, is a mistake. I mean, it’s like telling the American people or half the American people that don’t agree with you they’re all fools. That’s just not true.” – BILL CLINTON, interview on Larry King Live, June 1, 2005
Obams who said “Everybody knows politics is a contact sport.-BARACK OBAMA, The New Yorker, May 31, 2004″ should learn some thing from Bill Clinton.
Posted by: Humm | March 8, 2008, 8:30 pm 8:30 pm
How slick of the Clintons to attempt to get the Obama supporters to believe that a vote for Hillary is really a vote for Hillary AND Obama on the same ticket. The Clintons really believe that the Obama supporters are STUPID! What the Clintons have done is showcase that Hillary cannot win the nomination without Bill and that she cannot win the Presidency in November without Obama. So much for Hillary being able to stand on her own and prove that she is capable of being President.
Posted by: gail | March 8, 2008, 8:31 pm 8:31 pm
voter, from one “voter” to another, sorry but you are wrong. I mean I am not a math major but it does not take one to figure out that the pubs have been grossly outnumbered already this year in terms of turn out. They are in trouble whether they want to admit it or not. However, I respect your opinion.
Posted by: Ken | March 8, 2008, 8:32 pm 8:32 pm
Saying that Hillary is mean and Obama is nice does not make Obama good with policy decisions. Obama’s policies does not have vision, they are only about change. We had those for the last 8 years. Wonder why someone would want the same things again!! I would rather have a mean president with a vision for America than a nice president who smiles and talks about hope, hope, hope.. with no original plans for the future.
Posted by: Voter | March 8, 2008, 8:35 pm 8:35 pm
Voter post,
“Wasn’t it Mr. Obama who kept harping on the Iraq war vote and kept bringing Hillary down?”
I think Mr. Obama learn more to criticize than actually get the work done in school and experience in public work if any in his 3 years in US Senate. Tell me what he will do and says if he was US Senator in 2002-2003 given he had same faulty information about Iraq as Hillary Clinton did.
Posted by: stock_craft | March 8, 2008, 8:36 pm 8:36 pm
The Clinton supporters have it all wrong and this is why: They say that those who support Barack are
either out-of-touch yuppies or ignorant, naive people. This is what they are saying without saying it.
I am here to tell you that I am not nearly “yuppy-like” but I am not ignorant either. All you have to
do to garner hatred from the Clinton camp is support someone other than Hillary….this speaks VERY
LOUDLY about what kind of group she attracts. You can talk about empty rhetoric all you want people
but the fact is that Barack has BROAD SUPPORT from all kinds of people… let me clarify: I am 32,
white, married with 3 1/2 kids and military for 10 years…. I am not a news agency or big company…
I am an American citizen that pays attention and I support Barack Obama for president.
Posted by: Ken | March 8, 2008, 8:36 pm 8:36 pm
Don’t forget it was a caucus, I witnessed Texas caucus. His supporters suppressed the vote. I don’t think they truly are democrats…first time voters who do not know the importance of respect. I saw the videos. This is sad. I think these naive buffoons don’t realize that OBAMA NOR CLINTON will not have the delegates. IT is simple, reach magic number and you are the candidate, if NOT, it is decided at the convention. This has happened many times before in history. RESPECT THE RIGHT TO VOTE.
Posted by: maria | March 8, 2008, 8:38 pm 8:38 pm
Lord…where were all these people when the Republicans were playing slash and burn with each other in this primary? It wasn’t that long ago, just a few weeks. But, now they are the party of conciliation. Did you all forget that most of the rumors about McCain were started by Bush’s number one man, Karl Rove when they were running against each other? Politics is dirty. If Obama thinks that the Clintons are picking on him, look at what the minions of the Republican Party are already doing. It’s just going to get dirtier. He needs to toughen up if he wants to be Commander in Chief. She’s been there, done that, and knows how to handle them.
Posted by: G | March 8, 2008, 8:39 pm 8:39 pm
So all I have to do is say I’m for hope and change and I am?
The more I say it, the more I AM IT
And IT IS ME
I OWN IT
BECAUSE I TALK ABOUT IT THE MOST
And even though the other candidate has spent her life working for hope and change, and not just talking about it so much, it’s more valid with the person who doesn’t have much of a record?
What’s going to happen when Barack makes the mistakes that all polticians eventually make?
What happens if hope and change is actually a lot more complicated and slow, and messy, and there’s a lot more grey area than black and white? And it seems more like politics as usual than you wanted or expected?
Will you be let down again?
Because you over-simplify everything?
Will you become disenchanted with Barack when reality has to be attended to?
Posted by: Lauren | March 8, 2008, 8:40 pm 8:40 pm
I listened to a speech Bill Clinton gave today and the only thing that bothered me (besides how long it was) that several times he said “We” instead of she. And the reporters did the same thing afterwards. . .the said the Clintons and then later thay said Obama. . .she really needs to not blur the lines. . .also, if campaigns watch these pages as closely as some people report that they do, I would love for Mrs. Clinton to say she doesn’t believe in comments made on her behalf about “Keeping the White House White” etc . . .if she could just show the American people she doesn’t condone this type of talk. . .I’m not black, but it makes her sound like a racist when I don’t think that she is.
Posted by: michelle | March 8, 2008, 8:40 pm 8:40 pm
ha! i am such an old woman. i meant roller-derby, which probably is such a dated reference that no one would get it anyway.
lauren: i do not believe that the clintons, when they are in the midst of a campaign, can be characterized as “good” or “compassionate.” but you are definitely correct in saying that hillary has a group of women supporters who have been with her for years, if not decades, and stand by her and believe in her. i wish that in this campaign she had stuck with them and followed their advice, rather than turning her strategy over to penn and wolfson. before late february, it was an honorable campaign and a fair one. but those days are over – and we’re back to the old-clinton style – which is to win at any cost.
Posted by: mara | March 8, 2008, 8:43 pm 8:43 pm
EYZWIDOPN: I totally agree that we should not say that everyone should be right 100 percent of the time. There is virtue in learning from ones mistakes. Yet Mr. Obama holds Hillary to a higher standard. He says he was right on the war. Maybe so but he did not have to vote on it did he? When asked by Tim Russett about this on Meet the Press he said that he did not know what he would have done if he was in congress. Yet he uses this as litmus test for the presidency. Jay Rockerfeller Chairman of the Senate forgein relations committee looked at all the evidence and yet he voted for war. Now he supports Obama because he was right on the war. He said that this showed that Mr. Obama has the judgement it takes to be president. Well what does this say about Mr. Rockerfellers judgement. If we hold him to this same standard then why should he hold the leadership position of Chairman of the Intelligence committee? I could never understand why Hillary has not said to Obama that yes she voted for the war based on the intelligence presented at the time. Mr. Obama you did not represent the state of NY.which was just hit with the worst attack since Pearl Harbor. You did not have sit and watch your constituents jumping out of a burning building. Over 3,000 men,women and childern lost their lives that day. Excuse me for erroring on the side of NY. and America. If I did not vote the way I did and Sadam did have weapons of mass destruction neither NY or America would have forgiven me.
Posted by: russell | March 8, 2008, 8:44 pm 8:44 pm
Remember folks these are only primaries — no caucuses in the general election. Obama as a nominee will mean 49 states for McCain. Mr. Hart will remember 1984 very well. In 2004, in Wyoming, 167,000+ voted for GWB and 70,000+ voted for Kerry. Under 8,000 voted today. There are many, many, many people out there. A few loud voices do not make for big wins.
Posted by: Voter | March 8, 2008, 8:47 pm 8:47 pm
Gee…I support Hillary, so I must be an uneducated idiot? Sam, you are not doing Mr. Obama a service by calling his fellow democrats uneducated.
Posted by: GR | March 8, 2008, 8:48 pm 8:48 pm
QUESTIONER: 1) Reread the article, but substitute “Hillary Clinton” for Obama. The arguments against Obama hold true for Clinton. Both came in with star power, both sought the guidance of powerful men, and apparently both had higher goals than the US Senate. We all know Hillary did from Day One. 2) This article appeared front and center, on the first page of the New York Times. It is not a news article, it is an editorial under the guise of a news article. This is a growing tendency on the part of the New York Times, which has endorsed Senator Clinton. It is also beneath them and sullies a legacy of decent, fairly unbiased reporting.
Posted by: mara | March 8, 2008, 8:50 pm 8:50 pm
You ant seen nothing yet. If Hillary can thank if she can’t get us out of this mess that she and G. BUSH have us into and J.McCain can get us out.GOOD,Let’s be Stupid vote for J. McCain at least will be out in 100 years. Be real? t.v. Ed.(Real Dem )
Posted by: 1t.v.ed | March 8, 2008, 8:53 pm 8:53 pm
There is current information about Nafta gate on Fact Check. org. Obama’s economic advisor was contacted by the Canadian consul in Chicago and he met with him to clarify Obama’s position on trade. The information was consistent with what Obama said while campaigning. this is also confirmed in an article by Paul Roeb. The Clinton campaign may have been dis ingenuous or just did not know the truth. But now that the truth is out let’s be genuine.
Posted by: APerry | March 8, 2008, 8:54 pm 8:54 pm
voter if mccain is counting on the military vote he can forget it.
Posted by: Ken | March 8, 2008, 8:54 pm 8:54 pm
I get the headline hillary would rather destroy the Dem party in order to save it from obama who she sees as the enemy,rather than the rebuplicans.Is she a democrat or rebuplican ?
Posted by: merle7 | March 8, 2008, 8:54 pm 8:54 pm
I agree with JJ. Senator Obama will make a great minister in a fabulous church some place. Senator Clinton has vision and will lead us with a definate plan for the future for our country.
Posted by: Voter | March 8, 2008, 8:57 pm 8:57 pm
James’ Obama’s supports, you wrote…….There will be riots in the streets in Denver (and throughout America) if Hillary and the Clintons are allowed to steal this election.
The Democratic Party will be no more and Hillary will go down in history as the evil vile woman she is. She will make history all right. But in a way which even the revisionists cannot gloss over.
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If there are riots throughout America from the Obama’s supporters, you better believe that all Hillary’s supporters will join together with the Republican Party. Not because we support the Republican’s issues because we support America. Hillary’s supporters will do whatever is needed to save our streets from being destroy from Obama’s supporters. If we have to stand strong as one with Republican for our country, we will stand as one.
Posted by: sj7465 | March 8, 2008, 8:57 pm 8:57 pm
merle7, Hillary is a Clinton… they see themselves as something altogether different. I personally think she is Republican at heart, although I do feel she is a good person basically…it is just that they are both,Bill and Hillary so obsessed with themselves and their ambitions that they have allowed their motives to be compromised. They care more about themselves than their chosen party or the Country… I believe thats what this article was attempting to point out.
Posted by: Ken | March 8, 2008, 8:59 pm 8:59 pm
Can anyone say where Hillary said that McCain was better suited to lead than Obama? Lies, Lies and more Lies. Why is Gary Hart spreading lies?
Posted by: Voter | March 8, 2008, 9:03 pm 9:03 pm
GR post:
“Gee…I support Hillary, so I must be an uneducated idiot? Sam, you are not doing Mr. Obama a service by calling his fellow democrats uneducated.” I am wonder why many the so call well educated are willing to gamble their futures for someone who don’t a well known background and has only 3 years public work experience if any in the Senate. They seems like underestimate the job of an US President. In my work place, the HR usually scan the candidates’ resume to see if she or he has at least 5 to 10 years related work experience before they schedule an interview.
Posted by: stock_craft | March 8, 2008, 9:03 pm 9:03 pm
Clinton is far far far from bulletproof. The Republicans are DYING to go after her as well as the 527s. Obama is fighting a clean fight. It doesnt mean however that her skeletons (Tax returns, white house records and Lord knows what else) have yet to be flushed out. Not only will she lose MILLIONs of Democrats who support Obama who has won more states and more votes, she will also be exposed for the Fraud that she is.
Hillary is a divider and she cares little about the people of this country with her actions. She only craves power and cares about Hillary.
Posted by: Shelby | March 8, 2008, 9:03 pm 9:03 pm
Please tell me exactly what negative tactics you think Hillary has used?
I care about qualifications.
Barack has been in national politics for 3 years.
He talks about judgement, and he took favors from a donor who he knew was under investigation for fraud, extortion, money laundering, and more…
He’s voted “present” almost as many times as he’s made decisions.
His people were double-talking to Canada and Ohio.
He used word for word and cadence for cadence, a speech about how important words are.
He has dismissed most all the accomplishments of one of the most successful administrations we have ever had.
He dismisses all of Hillary’s work, when she has been in national politics for so long, and he has hardly at all.
Mara, please tell me – the press is spinning her more negative than she actually is.
How are we supposed to address any of these very important issues?
She is more qualified.
She has never been found have been part of wrong-doing.
She’s just supposed to be criticized and never say anything?
She’s never supposed to stand up for herself?
Posted by: Lauren | March 8, 2008, 9:04 pm 9:04 pm
Sj7465…. it is just me or did you just prove that this article is at least partly true?? ANYONE?? Is that right?
“If we have to stand strong as one with Republican for our country, we will stand as one.”
And the thing you said about Obama supporters in the streets….hmm..I am army for 10 years… do I represent those rioters you are speaking of? I believe in Barack Obama…so that makes me a criminal even though I went to war on behalf of my Country?? Am I bad person, or naive…or stupid because I support Barack?? I think you are small-minded… but I still respect your opinion…how about giving me the same respect?
Posted by: Ken | March 8, 2008, 9:05 pm 9:05 pm
…and, I guess Obama is a uniter? Is this why we have so many lies being spread about Hillary. Let him stand up and and talk policy instead of trying to divide the party.
Posted by: voter | March 8, 2008, 9:06 pm 9:06 pm
Good Argument Russell. Do you think that HRC could have minimized her criticism from not only Obama but the anti-war crowd if she had just come out and apologized for her vote as Edwards, Dodd, and others have or at least if she had said that she regretted it as she admitted in the last debate?
I don’t think that HRC should be condemned for her vote but let’s face it, there’s a large segment of the population who want to change the mindset that manipulated us in to war. Obama pushes their view and HRC’s fumbling explanation for her vote hasn’t endeared her to that crowd.
I would say that when Obama made his speech and constant opposition against the war in 2003, he was running for his U.S. Senate seat at a time when the war effort was very popular and not very many notable folks were taking such a strong stand with so much on the line.
As far as Obama’s “hedging” on the vote, that was during the Democratic Convention when he did not want to embarrass Kerry/Edwards by challenging their votes, as has been acknowledged by Obama and Kerry.
Ultimately, the Iraq vote is no different than HRC’s distinctions with Obama over whose healthcare plan is better and why Obama won’t fight the moral fight for what HRC sees as universal helathcare coverage.
Posted by: Eyzwidopn | March 8, 2008, 9:07 pm 9:07 pm
voter, Hillary did say something to the effect that She and John McCain were proven and Barack was not, or something like that the other day and it was on national tv.. if I have the time later I will look it up for you.
Posted by: Ken | March 8, 2008, 9:08 pm 9:08 pm
Lauren,
She has never been part of any wrongdoing?!? Do a little research. Do a web search-Hillary Clinton, scandal. You’ll be amazed if you open your eyes and educate yourself.
Posted by: Sue | March 8, 2008, 9:09 pm 9:09 pm
Lauren,
I was looking at your post listing all the great things Hillary as done and decided to investigate the bi-partisan bills you mentioned. Couldn’t find anything about Tom Delay and Hillary so far …if you have anything specific I’d be interested in knowing.
I did find this out about the Frist/Clinton bill for medical information you cited:
Guess who are the sponsors of this bill?
Senators Frist and Clinton are cosponsoring this legislation along with Senator Mel Martinez (R-FL), Senator Barbara Mikulski (D-MD), Senator Jim Talent (R-MO) and Senator Barack Obama (D-IL).
Hmmmmmm
Posted by: SuziQ | March 8, 2008, 9:13 pm 9:13 pm
It would appear as though Obama is running a campaign premised upon he being one of many while Hillary is running a campaign premised upon being every woman.
So, the entire idea that Hillary is running a scorched earth campaign is total nonsense. After all, she is only running a campaign to represent the rest of her.
Posted by: paul94611 | March 8, 2008, 9:16 pm 9:16 pm
Obama’s campaign out spent Hillary in Ohio several times over. We had many, many out of state Obama people. We had lots and lots of negative mail from the Obama campaign trying to put Hillary down. He tried very, very hard and tried all kinds of negative tricks. But the people of Ohio looked beyond the politics and asked serious questions. In the debate, they saw Obama looking for clues from Hillary’s responses before he could give his answers. They knew something was wrong. Majority of the Ohio voters made their decision towards the end. Yet people call them bigots because the Obama campaign is spreading this rumour. Who are the dividers?? Who are the meanies?? Yet, it is amazing how they stand up and say that they are above the kitchen sink politics. It is terrible that the media is turning a blind eye to all the negative stuff that Obama sent out and yet they spend their time reporting Gary Hart’s lies.
Posted by: Ohioan | March 8, 2008, 9:19 pm 9:19 pm
I have to go…
But Sue – the “scandals” were part of a Republican attack campaign, and the Clintons were never found or convicted of any wrongdoing.
You have to learn that you can’t believe everything that’s written out there, or everything you hear.
It’s like the tabloids.
You people who are so negative on the Clintons have your priorities all messed up.
Bill’s administration was one of the most socio-economically successful we have ever had. His approval ratings were huge. Even with the Republicans scheming all the way.
George Bush has done so much more that has actually hurt our country in every way – economically, globally, environmentally, politically, socially.
So please do get your priorities straight. This is what is wrong with our country. People are so focused on ‘hating,’ that they don’t even know what’s really important – what truly affects their lives and makes them better or worse.
Posted by: Lauren | March 8, 2008, 9:22 pm 9:22 pm
Ken….if you look on this site, you will see where Obama’s supporters stated that there will be riots in the street. And, if you listen to so of the black talk radio stations, you will hear the same message.
Something is not right here and a danger movement is taken place that will not benefit us if Obama wins. As I mentioned, I am African American and I can not mention that I support Hillary without being called many bad names from others. I wanted a Hillary/Obama ticket, now I do not support Obama on the ticket if Hillary wins because African Americans are not ready for an Africa American president. It appears that a lot of White Americans are ready for a black president. It is really bad on the street if you are black and support Hillary. I understand why John Lewis has to switch to Obama but I lost a little respect for him because of it. To be safe, my friends and I do not talk about Hillary anymore around out African American friends, we just donate money to her and know we will vote her. Obama needs to make a public statement and tell his supporters to chill. I donated more money this weekend to Hillary. P.S. my biggest concern, what if Obama wins? Will it be a crime to questions him and his actions while he is in the White House. I listen several major black radio stations, all the hosts and callers stating that the White people better much sure nothings happen to Obama while his running for office or if he wins the White House. I hate to say this but the sound like the KKK but only people are black. This is sad to hear all the negative words and actions from Obama’s supporters. If Obama makes people act so crazy than I do not want him in the White House or on the ticket with Hillary. Major of the Obama’s supporters do not want a Hillary/Obama or Obama/Hillary ticket. I hope something change so we can have a Hillary/Obama ticket.
I guest, I am small minded and uneducated for speaking the true.
Posted by: sj7465 | March 8, 2008, 9:22 pm 9:22 pm
Peggy Noonan ghost writing speeches for Obama? Now the pieces are starting to fit.It’s one thing to vote across party lines to advance the weaker candidate but to enlist the Gippers’ fave wordsmith…I think the money would’ve been better spent on a speech therapist to help manage Obamas’ STUTTERING problem.
Posted by: Yalie | March 8, 2008, 9:24 pm 9:24 pm
Gary Hart never got off of the ground in his bid for the WH back when, Noonan is a GOP hack. C’mon people !! Does anyone really believe this hokey that the GOP will need help from HRC or anyone or anything else to create enough garbage to throw at Obama all by their very own selves ?? They own SWIFTBOAT INC.
Posted by: stryker | March 8, 2008, 9:28 pm 9:28 pm
Ohio is a pathetic state. Has been for decades. Dumb enough to vote Bush twice and now a sucker for Hillary. Not every state will get it right. FDR won without Ohio, JFK won without Ohio, and this year, Obama can win without Ohio.
Posted by: Ohihateohio | March 8, 2008, 9:29 pm 9:29 pm
SuzieQ,
I got those facts from the CBS article on their records.
It is interesting to see how so many people have no idea and/or give her no credit for what she has actually done and experienced.
How many hours she has spent thinking about and working on policy issues and decisions, whether it’s been during her time in the Senate, or during her time by her husband’s side in the White House.
People have no idea what the actual reality of her work and life have been.
But it should be evidenced by the debates, and how well she answers questions. She is so knowledgeable, she knows what she is talking about.
Her husband’s administration was one of the most successful we have ever had because they are both so intelligent and dedicated.
Hillary was in the White House with Bill when he got all those 3 am calls, and they do consult each other.
Posted by: Lauren | March 8, 2008, 9:31 pm 9:31 pm
sj7465 , I dont like the fact that you were harassed for supporting ANYONE… but I have to say that it was not me and I would not do that. Yes, I did see that some people on this board said the bit about rioting in the streets… but again, I am an Obama supporter… but I can honestly tell you that I DO NOT support him because he is black. I really dont. Like I said before I bet almost everyone on this board are good people standing up for what they believe in.. and I think thats admirable. I think you have every right to do that. But from my point of view it is Hillary supporters that are more often using insults etc. to make their points. I will say now.. saying you are small-minded was based on one or two of your posts and probably was not called for.. So if we can continue this debate with respect… I would like it very much. I really believe in Barack…like you believe in Hillary…. that is fine. Neither of us are bad people or idiots. Lets have a good debate and show the republicans that we have a common purpose… because they are watching… (yeah I see you there)
Posted by: Ken | March 8, 2008, 9:31 pm 9:31 pm
So classic double standard. Obama can’t bring up Clinton’s dirty past according to some Dem party rules, yes Hillary could openly accuse Obama so called slumlord connection in the past (but her campaign kept all the money from the same source any way). She got Bill the former President to flex all the political muscle bending the Dem party establishment her way to crash Obama and that seems acceptable and fair to her. Play dirty politics became Clintons’ birth right. It is truly impressive that Obama can still be ahead of her in the race, regardless what the MSM spin is. What strength he has, believe if or not.
Posted by: hubbs | March 8, 2008, 9:35 pm 9:35 pm
come on people….essentially most of us want the same things. We are just very passionate about our candidates. Ordinarily this would be a good thing but with the pubs loving this I believe they are doing everything they can to keep it going….lets debate…respectfully
Posted by: Ken | March 8, 2008, 9:38 pm 9:38 pm
If Obama has only been in office nationally for three years, and he admits for the past year he has been so busy campaigning, that he had no time to schedule and hold a hearing on Afganistan, isn’t that an admission, that he actually has only two years experience and not three. If he wasn’t focused on and tending to his job for the people how can he claim it as work experience?
Posted by: Elaine Southard | March 8, 2008, 9:43 pm 9:43 pm
Ken…thank you for understanding our problem in the black community. I no longer listen to Michael Bisden, Warren Ballentine, and Al Sharpton’s talk shows. I do want the democrat party to wins but some negative is growing the black community that does concern me. I have a black son and want to see a black man as President but this is not the way to do it. What I am hearing from my black community, Obama/Hillary ticket is not acceptable and they will fight it if push by the DNC. The last 7 years have been hard for me and my family. I want peace, a job, financial security, etc. not this talk about riots. Thank you again for understanding and we need to hear from more Obama’s supporters like you.
Posted by: sj7465 | March 8, 2008, 9:44 pm 9:44 pm
Ken,
Actually some of us want a moderate Democrat President. We do not care for the far left “liberal” wing of the party like Obama,Kennedy,Daschle…
unlike centrists like Clinton and Bayh. You guys chased Leiberman away.
Posted by: chasseur | March 8, 2008, 9:50 pm 9:50 pm
sj7465 , you are very welcome! I hate to hear that is going on. Do you think it is nationwide or local? I do not get that from my groups… but I am only one person.. I am pretty involved though…everyday thing for me. Actually that is one of the things that has been refreshing to me about Barack’s campaign. I explain my view this way in regards to Hillary: I did have a very postive opinion of her, and I still do not hate her even though I do upset with her. To me she represents the politcs of the past…please dont take offense…but she does. I do not think Barack is God or perfect.. but I do believe in him. Now that can be taken for naivety, but if someone says that then it seems they are attacking me personally and sometimes I get defensive too… I think there is room for discussion rather than yelling though…..and again I do not like hearing that you are treated that way…I think its something that should be addressed.
Posted by: Ken | March 8, 2008, 9:53 pm 9:53 pm
chasseur, you sure use a lot of labels for someone who doesn’t even know me. Call me leftist if you want but I have some views that may very surprise you! If you would like to discuss them I’d be happy to talk with you…or you can continue to label me as you will.
Posted by: Ken | March 8, 2008, 9:55 pm 9:55 pm
The first child featured in the ad — which asks people who they want to answer the phone in the White House at 3:00 AM — is actually Casey Knowles, an Obama volunteer in the state of Washington. The footage was shot eight years ago when she worked as a TV extra. Getty Images owns the footage and can do with it as it pleases.
Knowles, who turns 18 in April, told KING 5 in Seattle that she is for Barack all the way: “It’s really sort of ironic that my image would be used to advocate for Hillary when I myself do not.”
Posted by: Sam | March 8, 2008, 9:57 pm 9:57 pm
chasseur, and as far as Leiberman, I really believe he has his own very narrow agenda.. he exposed himself by going Independent thats all. Nothing wrong with being independent but he is in the same group as Lou Dobbs…come one now..they are not Independent..they are self serving . Lou’s motives are different than Joe’s of course.
Posted by: Ken | March 8, 2008, 9:58 pm 9:58 pm
Dear Democrats:
We need to stop fighting. I voted for Hillary, but if Obama is the nominee, I will vote for him. We need to come together in November!!
Posted by: Susan | March 8, 2008, 9:59 pm 9:59 pm
I voted for Obama in my CO caucus more as a vote against Hillary. I am very concerned about Obama’s experience, because we are facing very rough international military and economic waters. Does he have the connections and the clout? so litle is said about the advisors around him. I am concerned about Israel, and being steadfast in their corner. It is important enough to tip my vote republican, even though I’ve voted mostly dem for 20 odd years. a McCain -Leiberman ticket I think will push me to cross back to my republican roots.
Posted by: Elaine Southard | March 8, 2008, 9:59 pm 9:59 pm
Hillary’s campaign is a glimpse of what her administration would be like -no different than the divisive, the end justifies the means and entitled administration we have right now. I will vote for Obama even if she is the nominee.
Posted by: vicky | March 8, 2008, 10:02 pm 10:02 pm
QUESTIONER , I think your post says a lot… you seem to be all about the “fight” and in a lot of Obama supporters eyes thats one of the problems…nothing wrong with fighting for what you believe…but if thats your whole focus than you are bound to get one over and over. And I am not full of spite…sorry to prove you wrong. I do not hate you or Hillary. And again with the “narrow-minded” stuff…. lets get beyond that… can we?
Posted by: Ken | March 8, 2008, 10:03 pm 10:03 pm
Ken…If you have time, listen to so of the black radio shows and you will hear what I was hearing. Michael Basiden, Warren Ballentine, and others. You can search the internet for radio station in your area
Posted by: sj7465 | March 8, 2008, 10:06 pm 10:06 pm
sj7465, I will look them up tonight..I saved your post. I will do something else to…I will bring this up to the campaign. I am not just saying that I will ask them about and if they plan on addressing it. I think we all have much more common ground than we even realize sometimes. I admit that I have been childish at times in my defense of Barack… however that does not change the fact that I have researched him, read his books, compared his record, looked up his votes, I am not following blindly. Also I think most of us can agree that whoever the president is, they do not do much without the help of hundreds of other people… the big difference that I see with Barack is he is enlisting average citizens to take part in our government… it is ours after all….or it once was anyway. So, thank you for conversing…I enjoyed it.
Posted by: Ken | March 8, 2008, 10:12 pm 10:12 pm
Hillary is not trying to ‘steal’ anything.
Both sides want their candidate.
Both sides are talking to the Superdelegates.
Last time I heard, the Obama campaign had paid the Superdelegates even more money trying to influence them.
More than half of the popular vote has been for Hillary.
I will vote for Barack if I have to, but I don’t want to – I don’t feel really good about it – I don’t think he has had enough experience, or is truly qualified at this time.
I don’t see why some in our party are jumping the gun with him and trying to get him into office when he’s so inexperienced.
He will be an even more promising and qualified candidate in the future with more experience.
The people who think he could win in a general election don’t understand swing voters won’t want to take a chance on such an unknown candidate during such uncertain times.
Especially after the Republican attack ads.
If Barack really cared about hope, change, unity, and what’s best for our party and this country, he would be VP.
He is being incredibly hypocritical, if
he won’t.
There are many people, voters in our party who do not feel is our best or most qualified candidate to win.
As for calling me and ‘idiot’ demo-rules, I am an Award-winning scholar. I do not usually tell most people this, but I was told by many of my professors that I was one of the brightest students they have ever had. It is just one more example of how you could not be more wrong.
And by the way, one of my cousins is a rocket scientist! (It’s true and funny!)
Posted by: Lauren | March 8, 2008, 10:25 pm 10:25 pm
pepsiloverforever – you are soooo right. Obama claims he has leadership, can unite the parties, is against Iraq and says we shoulod focus on Bin Laden – but in 14 months of having the position to mdemonstrate his leadership and bipartisanship he has absolutely nothing of importance to show for it. The chairmanship of that committee gave him the opportunity to step up to the plate and he cowered in the corner instead.
Posted by: lexus8 | March 8, 2008, 10:29 pm 10:29 pm
To Lauren, u stated in your post that more than half of the popular vote has been for HILARY, HUH? What campaign have u been watching? OBAMA has won nearly 30 states, CLINTON can barely pull off a win in a state like TEXAS OR CALI where she had damn near 20 point leads. Check your records OBAMA leads in popular vote
Posted by: Antoin, Chicago | March 8, 2008, 10:36 pm 10:36 pm
The race is still tight. Right now BHO has an edge, but no where near a lock on the nomination, which is in the SDs’ hands. Like it or not, the remaining races are just for positioning to make a case to the them. Convince, persuade and cajole, but no threat (of riots) please.
Posted by: esvida | March 8, 2008, 10:41 pm 10:41 pm
Unfortunately, winning in itself doesn’t really mean that you are ‘better.’
Bush won twice?
Proof of anything?
It’s what you do with the win that counts.
Honestly, I don’t think Barack would be ahead if it weren’t for the caucus bullying.
Posted by: Lauren | March 8, 2008, 10:47 pm 10:47 pm
Yes lena -n 8 years he has great potential – but we can’t afford someone wigth soittle international savvy right now.
Posted by: lexus8 | March 8, 2008, 10:54 pm 10:54 pm
Bob -
Being a Harvard grad, does not automatically qualify you to be President.
She respects Barack. But he has very little experience or proof of what he says he can do, and that is important.
He has been belittling her, when she truly has so much more experience than him – at least 20 years.
Could you imagine if it were the other way around?
If Barack had Hillary’s qualifications, and had spent all the time she has in politics, and then in a campaign a younger eloquent white woman with 3 years national experience tried to belittle and dismiss his experience?
Wouldn’t that seem absurd?
That’s because it is absurd.
That’s how sexism works.
Posted by: Lauren | March 8, 2008, 10:58 pm 10:58 pm
I think the only way to satisfy all Democrats is to let this nomination process continue to the very end. No one at this point has the right to tell a candidate that they should end their campain. If that means taking it all the way to the convention than so be it. There will ultimately be only one winner and of course, some people are going to be disappointed.
I think it would be more convenient for the DNC to have it be done and over with right now, but that is not being Democratic is it? Do they really want to have a revote in FL or MI? No. Do they want to wait until April 22nd for the PA primary where Hillary is heavily favored to win? (Another state important for the general election) No.
Does the Democratic Party want this to drag on and on? Of course not —- but that’s too bad.
Is it either of the candidate’s fault that the election process has gone this way? Should a candidate be blamed? How about the DNC? This is a highly contested election. It should be continued.
Posted by: Kate | March 8, 2008, 11:02 pm 11:02 pm
Senator Obama really has to be more aggressive in responding to this attack from Clinton regarding McCain and herself having crossed some threshold to be Commander in Chief whereas he hasn’t. I think that this is important for a number of reasons. First, it makes him look weak and unprepared to assume this role. Her charge is very effective for some voters. Second, it’s a slap in the face for someone in your own party to seem to endorse a rival in the other party at your expense. It brings into question, if he doesn’t properly counterattack this kind of attack, how will he respond when a nation attacks us. In other words, if he doesn’t stand up for himself and his supporters now, how will he stand up for the nation. I know there are arguments that can be made to say that this isn’t how her assault should be seen However, the fact is that there will be many people who do see it this way, even if they aren’t fully cognizant of what they are thinking.
He should simply call her out on it. Clinton has been winning because of her partisan base. True blue Democrats have been voting for her much more than Obama and this is why she’s been able to win in the big true blue states but not in the red or purple states. He can use her McCain attack to counter this. He should simply say something like: Remember when Kennedy was running in the primaries against Johnson. That was a very close and bitter race between. Now could you imagine Johnson saying, “I think John is too inexperienced. I’ve passed the threshold to become Commander in Chief, Richard Nixon has passed that threshold, but John isn’t ready.” This might not be the best example but you see where I’m going. The point is get true blue Democrats to see what an insult it is to them and to the party for her to endorse a Republican over a fellow Democrat. He could then go on to say in an almost joking way, “it’s almost as though she’s a Republican running for McCain’s VP spot. ”
He has to avoid any personal attacks, any misleading or dirty attacks, but he needs to forcefully counter her Rovian tactics by clearly exposing what she’s doing. If he doesn’t, she will continue to do it and become even more emboldened. A new kind of politics, bringing unity to the country, also mean aggressively fighting against wrongs. Bringing honesty to politics also means honestly saying when someone is wrong or misleading.
Posted by: Ed H | March 8, 2008, 11:09 pm 11:09 pm
Justin,
I disagree with you, and I have said nothing that wasn’t true.
I will try to find the information about the donations to Superdelegates – I think I saw it on one of the PBS news shows.
The fact is that Barack can’t run on his judgement when he has shown many times that it is not as sound as it would need to be in order to run on it.
The Republicans are already researching this, and they will exploit it in 527s.
You can’t always believe the lies and smears about the Clintons and money – many of them are accusations and exaggerations that have not been proven true.
I want what’s best for our country. The Clinton’s always impress me with their expertise.
Posted by: Lauren | March 8, 2008, 11:09 pm 11:09 pm
I’ve figured out what the Clintons are up to. They know that they can’t win the delegate count, and very likely not the popular vote, so they are smearing Obama to try to make him un-electable in the eyes of the Superdelegates. But, I’ll tell you something, if the Clintons do manage to muscle their way into the nomination with all of their dirty tactics, I, a lifelong Democrat, will leave the Democratic party. And I think a lot of others will too!
Posted by: marzies | March 8, 2008, 11:12 pm 11:12 pm
Hillary Clinton is a smart woman. I know she is smarter than the average candidate. Hillary Clinton has the experience of running the White House already and I think she does very well to stand by her man. They know everybody across the world. They brought much peace to many people especially the middle class and alternative culture folks. I believe the President Bill Clinton would guide her through the toughest seas and he would do so through his political mastery. She is just simply the best person for the job.I think we desperately need a re-run of the Clintons in power.
Posted by: Suzannaquanashawn | March 8, 2008, 11:13 pm 11:13 pm
Deputy_bob,
I knew I ran the risk of a response such as yours. But I assure you I do not have a big ego – I am here because of how much I care about our country. I hardly ever talk about my own credentials.
I am devoted democrat because I have always wanting hope and change for the better – that is what most democrats want – that is not ‘new.’
Hillary will also bring a lot of new change, and hope, she is and always has been progressive. She started out more liberal, but learned that you have to be centrist to get anything accomplished. Centrism is where unity happens.
Barack does not by any means own hope, change, or unity – and I am sure that when he is more qualified he will get his chance to be president.
Posted by: Lauren | March 8, 2008, 11:22 pm 11:22 pm
Senator Obama is hurting the party by trying to become President and if he does it will be a major blow. He will not only be a stain on the party but a deficit to the Country. Hillary is fighting back and thank God she is! I only hope Democrats wake the heck up and kick Obama outta the darn contest. Go Hillary and God Bless the USA. Get rid of Barack – one way or another!
Posted by: Benjamin Preisner | March 8, 2008, 11:26 pm 11:26 pm
On the question of electibility, Obama supporters always mention his strength with independents and cross-over republicans or “Obamacans”. But, Obama has a weakness with the democratic base of low income/education whites – so called “Archie Bunker” types. There will be a mass defection of this part of the democratic base (so called McCainocrats) to McCain if Obama is the nominee. In addition, how successful will Obama be at retaining the Latino vote from McCain considering McCain’s favorable stance on immigration? The Latino vote may become the swing vote in the general election.
Posted by: Greg | March 8, 2008, 11:33 pm 11:33 pm
Obama is not fit for duty!!!
Posted by: stephen | March 8, 2008, 11:33 pm 11:33 pm
so tired of the spin that hillary is divisive. obama has done more to divide the party than any candidate i’ve seen in my many, many years. he’s extremely slick, plus the media want so badly for him to win that they cover his flaws, but he’s just another dirty politician. still, if he had actually served a term or two in the senate, learned a little something, and supported his party instead of just himself, the party would’ve supported him. and hillary would have, too. and i would have, too. but now i will never, ever, vote for him, even if he actually becomes qualified at some future date and i’m still around.
Posted by: so saddened | March 8, 2008, 11:34 pm 11:34 pm
Hillary is an obstacle in the way of progress.
She and everyone in her campaign knows that Obama is representing a real movement of people who want change in our government. Where the Clintons were once the outsiders to the system, they are now the status quo that is being challenged by millions of people around the country.
The Clinton campaign is doing nothing but angering the core group of Democrats that they would need to motivate to support them in the general election if Hillary were by some wild stretch of the imagination nominated at the convention.
They think that simply being the Democrat running against a Republican is going to be enough. In Clinton’s case, it certainly would not be enough because she is not that different from John McCain. It would be the choice between a decorated war hero who voted for the war, or a power-hungry Clinton who also voted for the war, and employed every underhanded tactic in the book to destroy the candidacy of the most inspiring Democratic candidate for President of the 21st century.
Posted by: Will | March 8, 2008, 11:37 pm 11:37 pm
Thank you sj.
I think the real question is this, in the end, after everyone has gotten their chance to vote, (or maybe even before) are we going to have hope, change, and unity? Because no one candidate owns it.
Posted by: Lauren | March 8, 2008, 11:37 pm 11:37 pm
I am a 60-year-old woman who is not for Hillary Clinton. There are a lot of us. As far as I am concerned, Hillary Clinton’s malice knows no equal. I am sorry for her supporters who do not see that she is destroying the Democratic party’s chances of winning the Presidential election.
By the way, I was a Clinton supporter but changed my mind, because I realized that Barack Obama is one of the finest people I have ever seen running for office. Hillary has too much baggage from her long association with Bill Clinton.
Posted by: rzanz | March 8, 2008, 11:46 pm 11:46 pm
I firmly support Hillary, she is a fighter. I was for Obama, but now the truth is public regarding his backgroung, he is yesterday. If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is…
Posted by: Charles | March 8, 2008, 11:50 pm 11:50 pm
What’s up with all the Hillary-o-phobia? Isn’t it possible that she and John McCain are the most qualified to be Commander and Chief in times of crisis. Obama did not just appear magically out of thin air. It’s obvious especially when celebrities and senators are showing public support that there was a plan to hijack Hillary’s candidacy but it’s not over yet.
Posted by: Jorge | March 8, 2008, 11:50 pm 11:50 pm
Obama has more savviness than Clintons and would be a better leader of this world than the Clintons.
How can anyone claim to bring peace and security to this country and in facing international issues by propagating friction, and insulting people. Creating this feeling that being a Muslim is a bad thing is not a way for an important world figure to conduct herself/himself.
Clintons seem to bring out and pull those who are afraid or not willing to reach out to other groups. In Ohio, there was a Clinton supporter wearing a shirt that said, “Osama is for Obama”.
Clinton may claim ‘experience’ but I’d choose a man with little experience with good judgement and wanting to unite over whatever experience Clintons claim to have.
Posted by: mythinking | March 8, 2008, 11:51 pm 11:51 pm
Bob,
What is wrong with making money from speeches – I see no evidence of wrongdoing.
Clearly they have done nothing illegal.
The issue is who is more knowledgeable, who is more experienced, who is more qualified, who would govern our country most efficiently and effectively, and that person is Hillary.
Everyone who thinks Barack can win is really underestimating what the Republicans will do to him.
I really do not think he could beat McCain. McCain will be the known. Barack will be the unknown. And nothing scares swing voters more than the unknown. It works every time.
Posted by: Lauren | March 8, 2008, 11:55 pm 11:55 pm
Obama is unqualified to lead this country, period. People support Hillary, not because she is a woman, but because she is the best candidate for the presidency. We do not need a democratic party’s version of George W. Bush when we face so many challenges both at home and abroad.
Posted by: ea | March 9, 2008, 12:00 am 12:00 am
Please note my opposition for referencing to “My Lai”
Posted by: Humm | March 9, 2008, 12:04 am 12:04 am
Obama supporters in the republican states are “democrats for a day”. The idea is get the weak link, Obama, nominated and in the general election, McCain will win in a landslide. The republicans are not stupid, how do you think Bush was elected? Go Hillary or be ruled by republicans for 4 more!
Posted by: dalton | March 9, 2008, 12:04 am 12:04 am
dquinn,
stop speading false rumors. the Canadian Prime Minister said Obama’s people and only his people contacted them about NAFTA.
Posted by: geevill | March 9, 2008, 12:10 am 12:10 am
Yeah John, Gary; you mean like when BO made all those other comments about Reagan, Republicans, using words like “emotional”, “desperate”, “whining”when referring to Hillary. Michelle threw in quite a lot of cheap shots long before Bill started speaking up. Saying something over and over, will not make me go against my better judgement. BO plays just as “dirty” as the rest of them. He and his supporters acting as though he doesn’t is bizzare. Fog and mirrors. I think all this “above the fray” pretense, is a way to justify the whole Rezko thing as part of “dirty politics” against him. See, we are not allowed to know BO lied over and over about his relationship with Tony Rezko. Everyone knew Rezko was being indicted when BO agreed on a house deal with him. They’re friends etc.
Posted by: irma | March 9, 2008, 12:12 am 12:12 am
If we follow Clintons argument to the end then McCain would be better than her as he has a LOT more experience than she does. If I vote for Clinton because Obama doesn’t have much experience then why would I vote for Clinton in November? I would vote for McCain.
What differenciates Obama from McCain is that Obama with little experience displayed better judgement than an experienced veteran. If it is between Clinton and McCain, I would trust a man who has seen combat and has been in crisis situations answering that phone at 3:00am.
The Republicans will use her own words to bury her in November.
Posted by: mythinking | March 9, 2008, 12:12 am 12:12 am
Hillary will beat McCain. They both have more experience than Obama, but that doesn’t mean that McCain’s experience or philosophy is preferable to Hillary’s. Hillary’s populism is reaching blue collar people across the board. Hillary also holds a lot of anti-war voters.
Posted by: irma | March 9, 2008, 12:27 am 12:27 am
Hillary will be the nominee/president in 2008. Obama will go down with his dirty deals with Resko. Obama with his “good” judgement was associated with Resko for “17 years”. Obama is the unnamed political figure in the court briefs. Obama helped Resko get contracts in the Chicago area for many years. There was political favors in getting passports for questionable mid-east figures. Obama is up to his eyeballs in scandle.
Posted by: james | March 9, 2008, 12:28 am 12:28 am
There will be Republican attack ads 527s that will be independent of McCain and not condoned by him.
But they will want their candidate to win, and they will use any tactics they think will work. They will exploit and exaggerate everything and every fear they can come up with. That is what they always do. They have admitted that they are mean. They have admitted that they want to win. They have said they will “eviscerate” (= disembowel) the Democratic candidate whoever it is. They can’t really eviscerate Hillary any more than they have.
They will portray Barack as an ‘inexperienced anti-war liberal,’ and that will scare swing voters. They will even try worse tactics.
Do not underestimate them. They have no scruples. They just want to win, and no matter what Barack says, he is an “unknown” candidate in terms of what he will do.
His negativity ratings could change big time.
They have already done everything to Hillary they could possibly do – that is why her negativity ratings are where they are now – but it would just be more of the same – everyone’s heard so many stories before.
The swing voters want whoever will help the economy the most – and that is Hillary.
Posted by: Lauren | March 9, 2008, 12:32 am 12:32 am
Lauren – I’m not sure what your comment “Please tell me” refers to. I’m guessing that it refers to my comments on Clinton – which are only those of one voter who reads a lot. I’ll respond tomorrow – for what it’s worth, but there are some easy places to start.
First, a lot of what is “known” about Hillary is based on a beautifully re-written piece on Wikipedia (yes, I know Wiki is open source). Between 2/1 and 2/10, the piece on Hillary was completely whitewashed, at incredible effort and many people have quoted from it. What is most remarkable about this piece is that it is almost impossible to figure out that most of Clinton’s career was as a corporate attorney, for the Rose Law Firm, which represented Walmart and Monsanto (sort of like the bad guys in a Grisham novel). She worked there for close to 16 years and drew a salary that was in the six figures (it ended at $200K). What bothers me most about this whitewash is that the Rose Law firm work IS Clinton’s career – and someone felt the need to obscure that and make her into someone else.
Second, her advisors are not “good guys” by any stretch of the imagination. Look up Mark Penn. Look up the firm he is CEO with (Burson-Marsteller). Yes – everybody hires tough people, and everybody hires lobbyists, but there are limits – and hiring Penn to lead her campaign does not indicates that Hillary plans to run a ruthless campaign.
Finally, (and I think this is what you were referring to), the Washington Post ran a piece on the Clinton campaign and the players called Even in Victory Clinton Team is Battling Itself (3/5/07). That’s where her long-time allies are described (not the bad guys). Based on the tactics used in the past week, it’s pretty clear that the battle is over and the dark side won.
Posted by: mara | March 9, 2008, 12:42 am 12:42 am
In the past two weeks or so, Obama and his advisors have been inflicting all the damage on themselves. Their inexperience and naivete is spilling out all over the print, broadcast and internet media. I honestly think he’s already peaked. He is no longer inevitable.
Posted by: hopesprings52 | March 9, 2008, 12:47 am 12:47 am
They Obama campaign should be greatful that they are getting practice beating back criticism. As this week evidenced, so far they are pretty awful at it.
This week and the weeks to come are nothing compared to what McCain and now Karl Rove will throw at him.
A word of caution as well. Obama should tread very carefully while attacking Hillary on experience, as he has spent nearly half of his tenure in the Senate…well, running for President!
You wouldn’t hire a CEO without looking at their record of accomplishment, their resume. The Presidency is a chief executive position…of the free world.
Posted by: Andrew | March 9, 2008, 12:57 am 12:57 am
The most important fact is that the first Clinton administration was one of the most socio-economically successful we’ve ever had:
“By the end of the Clinton presidency, the numbers were uniformly impressive. Besides the record-high surpluses and the record-low poverty rates, the economy could boast the longest economic expansion in history; the lowest unemployment since the early 1970s; and the lowest poverty rates for single mothers, black Americans, and the aged. Real wages, after declining over the course of the Reagan and Bush years, rose under Clinton. To be sure, the gap between the very rich and everyone else widened—as it has continued to do since—but gains for the rich, for once, didn’t leave behind the poor and lower middle class.”
–From “Memo to Obama fans: Clinton-ism worked.” By David Greenberg, Rutger’s University Professor of History and Media
They are smart people who know how to do good things for this country. They know how to create prosperity. In politics things are always complicated, and your opponents will always try to smear you as best they can. Even Barack’s campaign has been smearing and dismissive of the Clintons from the start. They have been trying to weaken them by attacking them personally. The most successful administration Democrats have ever had. I don’t know how the Obama camp expects me to respect them after doing that. They are fooling themselves if they think they have not caused a lot of their own damage.
Posted by: Lauren | March 9, 2008, 1:04 am 1:04 am
Hey, the guy who wrote this article hasn’t come out with any such attacks on John McCain. He destroyed the Republican party but he won’t be able to save it.
That said, I used to think Hillary was OK. Now i think she is basically a vile thug. She doesn’t know when to back off, and she has no depth she won’t sink to in order to hit below the belt. She has been the instigator of most of the negativity. And Obama’s staffer is right. She IS a monster and if nominated, the Democratic party may well have been handed to John McCain because so many people will now hate her: the ones who already did on the right and the new ones who do now in the center and on the left after they’ve seen her tactics. I don’t see how being like the swiftboaters herself will give her any moral authority to challenge George W. Bush’s party for its crimes and scandals and negativity. If she manages to strong arm the nomination, she will be Bush’s equal in terms of smearing and negativity. She truly IS the bad old past. Just on the so-called ‘left’ (she’s no progressive anyway) instead of on the right with Karl Rove. Same difference. Different party. She’s giving McCain plenty of ammunition and he’ll use it.
Posted by: neoconsrnottoobright | March 9, 2008, 1:15 am 1:15 am
Whoops again.
I meant to say that the fact that Hillary took on Mark Penn as her chief advisor made it very clear that she did not plan to run a clean campaign – it meant the Clintons were going to get ruthless if they were in trouble. Burston-Marsteller actually set up a group called the “National Smoker’s Alliance” to aid Phillip Morris. I don’t have to make this stuff up.
Posted by: Mara | March 9, 2008, 1:18 am 1:18 am
I’m voting for the
-Harvard Law Graduate
-President of Harvard Law Review
-Civil Rights Attorney
-Community Organizer
-Taught the Constitution Univ Chicago
-Illinois State Senator 8yrs
-Elected US Senator in 2004
-2 time Best Selling author
-Led the largest grassroots Presidential campaign in history
-Only 46yrs old with wisdom to know how foolish the war was.
We need this man and his exceptional judgement to help lead this country back to solvency!
Posted by: alex | March 9, 2008, 1:27 am 1:27 am
well congratulations alex. obama isn’t the only lawyer running….and certainly wasnt the first. neither is he the youngest person to disagree with the war…but good luck to your candidate and the party.
Posted by: tony | March 9, 2008, 1:32 am 1:32 am
Mara,
I know that she is in this for the right reasons. She would never put herself through all this if she wasn’t in it for the right reasons – she could always have taken a cushy job, and make lots of money without all the hassle.
This is her passion: politics are her passion. She loves to figure out how best to help people, and to try to do it. That is why they worked so hard the first time. That is why they achieved so much, even given all the odds and obstacles. They can’t help but think about all these policy issues and cause and effect relationships in our country and around the world – it’s what they find most interesting.
I don’t know why they chose Penn.
But I know she is used to being put on the defensive and attacked ruthlessly, so maybe that is why she thought she needed somebody smart and tough, who has dealt with a lot of different situations.
I will have to research more about that.
Posted by: Lauren | March 9, 2008, 1:32 am 1:32 am
I love the title it almost seems like it was written for Fox news.
Posted by: Bob | March 9, 2008, 1:34 am 1:34 am
I agree with Tony. There is nothing worse than these White, educated, higher-incomed, politically correct liberals. The one’s who vote liberal,
support the causes, talk the talk,
point out their openness and exposure to diversity and yet coddle and patronize the very people they say they fight for. Of course they also know what’s best for the people they fight for. To be afraid or expect other people to not challenge what someone says or said, does or did- on the basis
of their skin color is dismissive and insulting to that person’s intelligence.
Obama is perfectly capable of handling himself in every capacity and if he didn’t think he could and if he can’t he obviously has no business in the Democratic race. In all honesty Hillary aand Bill are looking like the least racist in this whole process, they are going after Obama no differently whatsoever than any other opponent. They throw the ball and their expection is that he has the intelligence, skill,
political savvy and experience to catch
it and throw it right back. They don’t treat him with kid gloves like some of the rest of the Democratic party expects or his supporters – “you’re getting in the way of history”, “it doesn’t look good for the Democratic party to attack an African-American candidate”. What a bunch of phonies-
the Clinton’s are pretty much the only one’s who can be trusted.
Posted by: sue | March 9, 2008, 1:44 am 1:44 am
I have to admit. All 7 of the Hillary supporters out there are spewing enough hate to make her proud…very proud.
Keep up the good work. She has 6 weeks before we drop kick her (AND BILL) for GOOD!
Ba-Bye Hillary!!!!
Posted by: warningman | March 9, 2008, 1:52 am 1:52 am
I find this amusing. I’m an independent, and was planning to vote McCain, until he said that he would:
1) make bush’s tax cuts for the rich permenant
2) want to keep the war in iraq going
3) wanted to keep bush’s economic policies
4) and wanted to take bush’s foreign policy appoach.
What i find amusing it that some of you obama and clinton supporters, are considering voting against your own self interest and support the candidate that is a complete opposite of your candidate … if your candidate doesn’t get the nomination.
What i find amusing is that while you think your going to stick it to the other candidate and their supporters … your really sticking it to yourself.
good job guys, you really stuck it to yourself .. um to them good ;)
I didn’t think Mccain had a chance in hell of winning a few weeks ago … but now, i actually think he can win.
the republicans are going to be laughing at you guys … while bush get’s atleast another 4 yrs in the wh.
Posted by: Carlos | March 9, 2008, 3:01 am 3:01 am
A lot of people are saying things out of anger and frustration that they won’t do later.
Posted by: Lauren | March 9, 2008, 3:05 am 3:05 am
She may sink so low as to go to Jerry Springer, the Globe, the Inquirer who knows?
Posted by: Uretha | March 9, 2008, 3:25 am 3:25 am
The by-line of this column should say PAID FOR and approved by the Barak Obama Campaign
Posted by: raul | March 9, 2008, 3:28 am 3:28 am
no one who loves their child would vote for mccain over either Senator Clinton or senator obama
Posted by: chris | March 9, 2008, 3:30 am 3:30 am
What I would really like to know is how Obama has gotten this far so fast in American politics without their being any corruption behind him, especially with such a slim resume? I personally I can’t believe his history is as clean as he would ilke us to believe. So he had 8 years as a part time Senator in which he hardly voted and in which he sued to clear all his running mates off the ticket on some flimsy excuses on his first run and then two years in the US Senate where he has not voted more than 40% of the time, and he is ready to be President of the USA? He never votes on any controversial or politically sensitive issues. Come on now. Something is not kosher in Denmark.
Posted by: Danielle | March 9, 2008, 3:34 am 3:34 am
it’s a fact that Senator Clinton will be the best President and Commander-in-Chief for our children, our troops and America……but it’s also a fact that obama would be a better President and Commander-in-Chief than mccain……obama can do much less harm because of his inexperience because he is going in the right direction and is not ignorant…..mccain, meanwhile, is very capable of making his policies a reality, but such policies are dangerous for the well-being of our troops, our children and our economy…..
Posted by: chris | March 9, 2008, 3:36 am 3:36 am
by the way, obama’s a hypocrite…..he doesn’t take money from special interest corporations and groups….just their high-ranking officials…..
Posted by: chris | March 9, 2008, 3:37 am 3:37 am
he cares about the people he represents…..except when their squalid housing is owned by one of his friends and donors….
Posted by: chris | March 9, 2008, 3:39 am 3:39 am
he doesn’t compromise his principles for his donors…..he just weakens legislation in favor of their employers….
Posted by: chris | March 9, 2008, 3:41 am 3:41 am
last time i checked, Senator Clinton had pushed to create legislation that allowed over 6.6 million children and over 600,000 adults get health care they had lacked before
Posted by: chris | March 9, 2008, 3:55 am 3:55 am
Hillary Clinton is making every effort to split the Democratic Party. I am a 65-year-old white woman who would NOT vote for Hillary Clinton for Dogcatcher!At the present time in the U.S. we are honored and blessed to have a wonderful Presidential candidate in Barack Obama. Candidates like this come along only once in a generation. I hereby make my PROMISE to the Democratic Party: If Hillary Clinton is the nominee, I will leave the Democratic Party. Needless to say, especially after Bush, I could NEVER vote for a Republican. In the event that Hillary becomes the Democratic nominee, it won’t even be worth my time and effort to vote at all. Voting would simply be meaningless.
Posted by: Janet | March 9, 2008, 3:55 am 3:55 am
Senator Clinton also helped to create Vital Voices to help women around the world get involved in their local political process
Posted by: chris | March 9, 2008, 3:56 am 3:56 am
obama had to be reminded by Senator Clinton to notify pakistan in the instance that actionable intelligence existed which would prompt an attack and possible invasion within pakistani borders in order to prevent the remote possibility of a mistake which could lead to a NUCLEAR CONFRONTATION….
Posted by: chris | March 9, 2008, 3:59 am 3:59 am
In 1979, Hillary Clinton’s trades in cattle futures contracts generated criticism regarding conflict of interest and allegations of disguised bribery. Her initial $1,000 investment generated $100,000 when she stopped trading ten months later Chicago Mercantile Exchange records indicated that $40,000 of her profits came from larger trades initiated by Clinton’s lawyer and friend, James Blair, an experienced futures trader and outside counsel to Tyson Foods According to exchange records, Robert L. “Red” Bone, the commodities broker that facilitated the trades on behalf of Ray E. Friedman and Co. (Refco), reportedly because Blair was a good client, allowed Clinton to maintain her positions even though she did not have enough money in her account to cover her activity. For example, she was allowed to order 10 cattle futures contracts, normally a $12,000 investment, in her first commodity trade in 1978 although she had only $1,000 in her account at the time. Refco was fined for violating Chicago Mercantile Exchange rules governing margin trading. Leo Melamed, a former chairman of the Mercantile Exchange who reviewed the records for the White House, said in an interview that Clinton violated no rules in the course of her transactions.
Posted by: Hillary/Lewinsky/McCain | March 9, 2008, 3:59 am 3:59 am
The Whitewater controversy was a series of events and actions that had its origins in 1978. While in Arkansas, the Clintons were partners with Jim and Susan McDougal in a real estate venture known as the Whitewater Development Corporation. According to reports, the Clintons lost their financial investment in the Whitewater business projects. At the time the McDougals operated a savings and loan that retained Hillary Clinton’s legal services at Rose Law Firm. When the McDougals’ savings and loan failed in 1994, federal investigators subpoenaed Clinton’s legal billing records for auditing purposes. Hillary Clinton claimed to be unable to produce these records. After an extensive, two-year search, the records were found in the first lady’s book room in the White House and delivered to investigators in 1996. The delayed appearance of the billing records sparked intense interest and another investigation about how they surfaced and where they had been; Clinton attributed the problem to disorganization that resulted from her move from the Arkansas Governor’s Mansion to the White House. After the discovery of the ‘lost’ records, on January 26, 1996, Clinton made history by becoming the first First Lady to testify before a grand jury.
Posted by: Hillary/Lewinsky/McCain | March 9, 2008, 4:00 am 4:00 am
supporting mccain for President, either directly or indirectly, should Hillary be the Democratic nominee only shows how little you care about our troops, our children and America, given that mccain’s policies and ignorance would endanger the long-term interests of those we care the most about
Posted by: chris | March 9, 2008, 4:01 am 4:01 am
i know, deep down, that Senator Clinton is America’s best hope for a better future
Posted by: hillary/lewinsky/mccain | March 9, 2008, 4:03 am 4:03 am
Gary Hart was another “new ideas” politician, and Mondale took him down — Mr. Personality — in 1984 with one phrase: “Where’s the beef?” All that talk of new ideas, and where are they? Then in 1988, he took himself down by daring the news media to find him with a woman. Hello, Donna Rice! Peter Beinart, the liberal hawk whose opinion can be discarded like his militant Iraq war loving self; and of course, the doddering conservative goddess Noonan, who is tut-tutting about the so-called “scandals” she and other conservative chatterers created out of whole cloth. The truth is, Obama has run an internet campaign. He himself, and his officials, have been mum, but his supporters have been as bad as Starr, or Al D’Amato, or the crazies who distributed lists of people the Clintons “murdered.” Aside from his indiscretion with Monica, which was already over by a year and a half when it resurfaced in a set-up that was intended to pull a cold coup against the best president in 40 years, they got NOTHING. People should read Robert Ray’s final report. They got zip, nada, nothing. Unfortunately, Bill won the presidency when the Republican party was losing its mind, and the news media were losing their principles.
At any rate, why is a vigorous campaign for the White House anything but helpful for the Democrats? John McCain has no traction. The only thing that’s in the news about him is his acceptance of an endorsement by a bull goose loony, John Hagee. Good luck with that, John.
Posted by: Jim H | March 9, 2008, 4:15 am 4:15 am
Samantha Power, Obama’s advisor said is not true that Barack will end Iraq occupation by 2009, that his promise is really only a “best case scenario” Again exactly what Hillary directly said he copies hiding it in lies
Posted by: raul | March 9, 2008, 4:17 am 4:17 am
There is no way we can allow either Hillary or Obama into the Oval Office. They would shipwreck the country with all their free goodie programs. We are already headed for a recession and they talk about throwing even more money away. I’m already paying enough taxes, and if I have to work- I think everyone else should have to too. All these promises of free money makes me cringe.
Posted by: Anna | March 9, 2008, 4:21 am 4:21 am
mccain’s ignorance of the how and why of terrorism would doom our troops, our country and our world to an eternity of fear, overbearing security measures and the shadow of death every time we step out of our homes
Posted by: chris | March 9, 2008, 4:24 am 4:24 am
This battle between Hillary and Obama is actually a good thing. We get to sit by and watch how they react to pressure. Some of our foreign leaders aren’t going to be polite, and they aren’t going to be impressed with American politics. Let them slug it out, let them show us their opponent’s weaknesses, as well as their own. Let’s see what they’re made of. Only the strong survive…
Posted by: Gerald | March 9, 2008, 4:26 am 4:26 am
In recent Newsweek mock polls Clinton beats McCain 48% to 46%. Obama beats McCain 46% to 45%. Something has changed. Clinton’s margin has stayed the same but Obama has slipped. In two previous polls Obama was beating McCain 53% to 42% and 47% to 38%.
Posted by: Sammy | March 9, 2008, 4:28 am 4:28 am
HILLARY / MCCAIN
Posted by: Hillary/Lewinsky/McCain | March 9, 2008, 4:40 am 4:40 am
By claiming that she has experience in foreign policy and taking credit “for accomplishing more than some of those who were active in foreign policy during the Clinton years recall” Hillary is probably lying to the public something that should be investigated thoroughly before another GOP kenn star make her tell the extent of the truth
Posted by: leche | March 9, 2008, 4:44 am 4:44 am
only Senator Clinton enjoys the credibility, experience, congenial relationships and resources with which to create and maintain an international coalition which is ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY to confront and defeat terrorism and all that it feeds upon (poverty, fear, distrust, etc.) ….her innate strength was on display when she chastised China, IN CHINA, in favor of women’s rights…..her commitment to help others internationally is evidenced by the existence of Vital Voices……her familiarity with world leaders comes from her travels and work as First Lady and as member of the Armed Services Committee…..her plan to succeed on issues that affect America and other nations is served by her intelligence and her ability to comprehend and address the multitude of complex and interconnected areas which cannot be separated from one another in order to achieve singular goals…..to defeat terrorism, for example, will take action involving military force, intelligence gathering, foreign aid, foreign service, economic sanctions and cooperation, health care, trust and common purpose of those nations whose assistance and support will serve us all……only Senator Clinton realizes the complexity and depth of such international cooperation…..the issues that face America and the issues that face the world are similar in that they are not easily solved, but instead will require action on a number of fronts in order to ensure solutions that will last for the long-term…..its easy to kill a terrorist…..its harder to prevent them from being replaced and thus, preventing the maintenance of the danger to our troops, to our children, to America, to our international community…..we should be concerned with quashing the threat of the danger, not just for the moment, but forever…..only Senator Hillary Clinton recognizes such a goal and is capable of working towards it
Posted by: chris | March 9, 2008, 4:47 am 4:47 am
given what i’ve heard in here about the quality and quantity of obama’s credentials and qualifications for the job and what he will do, i have no choice but to vote for him lol
Posted by: chris | March 9, 2008, 4:49 am 4:49 am
Clinton’s foreign policy record examined
Behind Clinton’s foreign policy claims, a record of activism but questionable achievement
Posted by: Hill | March 9, 2008, 4:51 am 4:51 am
i feel sorry for those in here who are completely unable to cheer on their own candidate (obama, mccain)……we can only hope that their children do not grow up learning that one can only succeed by tearing another down……
Posted by: chris | March 9, 2008, 4:53 am 4:53 am
by the way, continue to bash Hillary…..it sure worked for republicans in the ’90′s (high approval ratings for her), it worked for rick lazio and her other opponent for the Senate (she won both times), and it worked for her detractors in new hampshire and texas (guess what happened?)……SHE HAS CONTINUOUSLY SHOWN SHE IS STRONG ENOUGH TO WIN IN THE FACE OF SUCH PERSONAL AND POLITICAL ATTACKS…..obama, on the other hand, reacted like a deer in the headlights in the days after she stepped up her valid criticism of his preparation for the job, and ended up losing a state (texas), he was supposed to win…..
Posted by: chris | March 9, 2008, 4:58 am 4:58 am
good night all….and remember, only one candidate will be the BEST President and Commander-in-Chief that our children, our troops, our America and our world so desperately need and deserve right now: Senator Hillary Clinton
Posted by: chris | March 9, 2008, 5:04 am 5:04 am
Mr Hart,
If you and Obama and the rest of his supporters, can’t stand the heat, then get out of the kitchen. In other words, DROP OUT of the race, or else quit your sniveling. It’s a sign of weakness, and shows how minor league you are.
Posted by: Kevin - OR | March 9, 2008, 5:21 am 5:21 am
If Obama is such a great and a wonderful candidate then how come he is only leading one ethnic group (by a large margin I must say). Based on exit polls, Nationally
Obama Clinton
Blacks 80% 17%
Whites 39% 53%
Hispanic 39% 58%
Asians 25% 71% (California)
These are Nationwide numbers but the pattern is the same in all states except Vermont, Virginia, Wisconsin, New Mexico, and Illinois where he has gotten more White votes than Hillary. There are only two states Illinois (50/49) and Connecticutt (53/43) where Obama got more Hispanic votes than Hillary.
This inspite of the fact that so much negativity and venom has been spewed about Hillary.
By looking at these numbers, can anyone honestly believe that Race is not a factor in this nominating process and it will not be a factor in the general election. Draw your own conclusion.
Posted by: satish | March 9, 2008, 5:36 am 5:36 am
I agree with satish and on top of that he had to lie to draw them in to him by creating the illusion of a false association with what many blacks in this nation have unfortunately endured. Read
Posted by: jackie | March 9, 2008, 5:47 am 5:47 am
Look the Clintons have been through this before.
They know people are going to want to see their tax records – they know Hillary is running for President – they don’t have anything to hide.
But they are not just going to do it the second the other campaign tells them to. They are not children.
Posted by: Lauren | March 9, 2008, 5:47 am 5:47 am
When did Senator Gary Hart change his name to “Hary”? Proof read. What else did you get wrong?
Posted by: Larry | March 9, 2008, 5:54 am 5:54 am
The rest of the world are in shock as to how anyone could vote for Hillary Clinton. She is clearly so power obsessed that she would destroy her own party to get what she wants. Is this who America wants to represent them? I think Democrats need to look long and hard before they destroy their own party.
Posted by: Shazz | March 9, 2008, 6:03 am 6:03 am
Who are you to speak for the rest of the world Shazz? I live overseas, and this part of the rest of the world favors Hillary Clinton and is more in shock as to how negative campaigning by Obama is acceptable when negative campaigning by Clinton is considered “destroying the whole party”. (P.S. Loved your work with Derek though)
Posted by: brian | March 9, 2008, 6:26 am 6:26 am
Hillary clinton has proven time and time again that she(they… because her experience is really Bills)Are Professional Politcal strategists. they are at best Hypocrites. As she pounds the table saying he (Obama) lacks in experience that only she posesses. It is important to draw a comparison… She was only First Lady from 1992-2001 Not ambasador, Not Secretary of State , Not senator, Not an elected official of any kind… Last I checked we elect a President and Vice Predident.. not their wives..So that being said we have to conclude that her vast experience in foriegn affairs is her Husbands. Right.. So that being said what credentials did Bill Posess in 1992 to be the leader of the free world?… Was it his Charisma? His ability to draw voters out that had been ailienated by the process? was it his ability to connect with the populous? sounds pretty familiuar.. Hilly Honey, You dont play fair. you dont answer tough Questions. You are a bully and a liar. If you intimidate the DNC to flip flop on itself and destroy any credibility the dems have you will have for PERSONAL BENEFIT not the needs of the people destroyed any hope of a DEM Pres in 08. The Good News is Mccain is too old to run in 2012 and you will be polital MUD by then and OBAMA will still have the strenght and curage to carry on. IT IS TRUE…. when Democrats form a firing squad they do it in a circle… UNITE DONT divide…..GET OUT HILLY
Posted by: Brian | March 9, 2008, 6:43 am 6:43 am
Hey Brian, she always liked to thik of it as a “Co-Presidency”. HAHA.
She really is a monster, and Obama is a lying double talking empty suit. It’s hilarious watching these useful idiots for Obama walkaround like they’re a bunch of zombies smokng PCP. HAHA.
Posted by: Joey | March 9, 2008, 7:02 am 7:02 am
Obama is in doing well in Democratic nomination because of two reasons
1.Black vote
2.Proportional allocation of delegates.
He may win the Democratic nomination but will loose the general election because Black vote will be a smaller percentage of general election and it is winner take all. If he looses any of the big Blue states Hillary has won, Republicans will win the general election.
Posted by: satish | March 9, 2008, 7:04 am 7:04 am
One thing I want to clear up before I go to bed:
The Clintons never pulled the race card at all. That was one of the greatest shames and tragedies of this race so far. They have always been tremendous civil rights advocates.
Their quotes were taken way out of context and twisted. They would have been the the same if Barack was white.
The fairy tale was about Senate voting records and him not acknowledging his own contributions to continue the war.
The only comment that would have been different was the Jesse Jackson comment – but that was just a common sense, obvious comment, and Jesse Jackson didn’t see anything wrong with it – I heard him say so on tv.
I don’t expect african-americans not to vote for Barack, but I just want them to know the truth, because those racism charges were the ugliest and some of the most incorrect charges of the campaign.
Seeing how the media exploited it, mishandled it, and didn’t clear it up, was what got me so upset, and coming to blogs and message boards like this.
Posted by: Lauren | March 9, 2008, 7:08 am 7:08 am
They all suck. No matter who’s elected I’ll be homeless in a year’s time and so will alot of others.
Posted by: americanidiot | March 9, 2008, 7:20 am 7:20 am
The ‘People’ must know as much as the press can accurately inform them. If you have a party or organization that suppresses this information, then ultimately, nothing will change for the good of the people because in that instance the party or organization comes first, and not the people. If you are human first ‘at heart’ then hopefully you will choose a candidate who most represents your human ‘values’ and not let any one party sway your vote. Also, a true leader leads by example. Personally, I don’t want to support a leader who’s history it is to tear down the opponent and will do just about anything to self serve him/herself or the party they represent. If that means picking a candidate outside of one’s own party affiliation, then so be it.
Posted by: Paul | March 9, 2008, 7:24 am 7:24 am
Not true that Barack Obama is only winning the “Black” vote. I’m white and I’m proud to have voted for him in Virginia. Stop spreading fear. When people say outragous things like the won’t vot for Barrack Obama because he’s black, doesn’t that mean Mrs. Clinton is getting the vote because she’s white. Please let’s not go back to the 50′s. Be brave America you can do it!
Posted by: michelle | March 9, 2008, 7:31 am 7:31 am
I like your Clinton/Edwards postings, Jennifer – that would be a good ticket too.
I definitely think that the best ticket would be Hillary, including Barack and Edwards, or if they don’t want to, any of the other key candidates especially, as VP or in appropriate prominent cabinet positions if they wanted.
People need to understand that Bill will be more of a consultant, I’m not even sure if he’d be in the cabinet, but he wouldn’t interfere with the VP.
It’s fun to start thinking that way about unifying…
It sounds so promising!
Posted by: Lauren | March 9, 2008, 7:32 am 7:32 am
Attention Delegates/Super Delegates; Hillary made her mistake by Praising John McCain on National T.V. To back Hillary now will show, you to are not True Democrats!
Posted by: Demo Rules | March 9, 2008, 7:33 am 7:33 am
because it was a stupid question.
Posted by: Brian | March 9, 2008, 7:40 am 7:40 am
If Hillary Clinton wins, that will be the end , a lot of democrats will be given their votes to McCain ( I will be one of them). No more CLINTON, no more BUSH in the White House, we need new airs, new ideas, don’t you people realize that?
Posted by: Sarah | March 9, 2008, 7:42 am 7:42 am
Hillary Clinton should be rejected and denounced.
Posted by: Bob, DC | March 9, 2008, 7:44 am 7:44 am
Well sid Michelle.. jennifer now do you see the difference between the intelect of divide/ fear or the intelect of reason…
Posted by: Brian | March 9, 2008, 7:46 am 7:46 am
yes, and look at her face……….she will do anything to win the nomination. And of course she is a racist, she is, Bill is and Chelsea is….Bill is desperate to go back to the white house.
Posted by: Sarah | March 9, 2008, 7:47 am 7:47 am
FACT: Hillary comes with major baggage.
FACT: It drives her high negative numbers.
FACT: Nobody is overlooking that.
FACt: It gives the election to McCain.
My choice is Obama first, McCain second and I am seriously not alone.
Posted by: SE Croft | March 9, 2008, 7:49 am 7:49 am
Hillary Dr Jeckle or Mr Hyde?
Posted by: Demo Rules | March 9, 2008, 7:49 am 7:49 am
Hillary is a Republican, why else would she Praise McCain, it only comes to reason that either one of this 2 will get us into WWIII.
Posted by: Demo Rules | March 9, 2008, 7:52 am 7:52 am
if Hillary wins nomination, the next president of the USA will be Sen.McCain, I am a democratic but my vote will go to him, I cann’t stand another Clinton in the presidency of this great country.
Posted by: Sarah | March 9, 2008, 7:53 am 7:53 am
The people who are saying those things about Hillary are the ones who have been misled or are lying.
I have watched her, her whole career.
We need her expertise.
Her baggage is over-rated.
Contrary to all your denials of reality, she is the really knowledgeable one with the best plans and policy, who would govern and help our economy the most efficiently and effectively.
Posted by: Lauren | March 9, 2008, 7:56 am 7:56 am
What only comes to reason for this people supporting Hillary in here is that you are not True Dems! You would support Mr Hyde for Praising McCain!
Posted by: Demo Rules | March 9, 2008, 7:57 am 7:57 am
this country have been governed by EXPERTISES LAST 16 YEARS, ( INCLUDES MR. CLINTON’S AND HILLARY ?) and THAT IS THE REASON why the country is the way it is……..EXPERTISE CAN YOU PLEASE GIVE US A BREAK, LET’S GIVE A CHANCE TO A ROOKIE, PERHAPS HE COULD DO A BETTER JOB…..YOU WOULD NEVER KNOW IF YOU DOESN’T GIVE A TRY……CHANGE, CHANGE, AND CHANGE , THE USA NEEDS A CHANGE
Posted by: Sarah | March 9, 2008, 8:03 am 8:03 am
Fact Hillary has made a Mistake by Praising McCain on National T.V. If Obama goes on National T.V. himself, and bring this fact up and replay her praising McCain he will be Victor!
Posted by: Demo Rules | March 9, 2008, 8:03 am 8:03 am
If Hillary wins by tearing down Obama their will be six less Democratic voters in November from this family. My four college age children got very motivated and involved for the first time and voted for Obama in our primary. I was very surprised they showed any interest at all. I voted for Hillary and my Husband for Obama. I will vote for her if she wins but only if she does not go negative any further. My Husband will vote for McCain and the kids will stay home.
Posted by: Martha | March 9, 2008, 8:04 am 8:04 am
Only 3A.M. call Hillary will be getting is from McCain!
Posted by: Demo Rules | March 9, 2008, 8:06 am 8:06 am
I have always been a devoted democrat.
She is just acknowledging the credentials that John McCain has.
They are friendly and bi-partisan, and that is what Barack is talking about with unifying.
Posted by: Lauren | March 9, 2008, 8:08 am 8:08 am
Hillary is one tough girl. I admire her spirit and strength. I would never have believed a woman could achieve this and now it’s real.
Howard Wolfson’s Kenneth Star comment was political mastery. It made me laught to think how intelligent that play way.
Politics is a contact sport and this is exciting to watch. Obama the dirty Chicago politician versus the Tough Girl. Theater at its best! Love it.
Posted by: Holman | March 9, 2008, 8:08 am 8:08 am
Satish,
I agreed. As matter of fact, I am wonder if the so called independent and well educated voters, who vote for Mr. Barack Hussein Obama in red states still supporting him in November 04 general election or not? Many of them could be the Republicans crossing the party line voting for Obama to beat Hillary in the Dem. primary.
Posted by: stock_craft | March 9, 2008, 8:10 am 8:10 am
Hillary is 1 tough Dr Jeckle and Mr Hyde!
Posted by: Demo Rules | March 9, 2008, 8:11 am 8:11 am
The little girl in Hillary’s 3 A.M. call is now grown up! And guess what America, she Supports Obama! lol
Posted by: Demo Rules | March 9, 2008, 8:14 am 8:14 am
Again Jennifer, hatred will give you an empty life – Mrs. Clinton would not go for what you are saying. She relies heavily on on votes. So does Senator Obama.
Edwards wouldn’t be happy because whoever is Mrs. Clinton’s VP would be more like and assistant VP since Bill will play a significant role in her White House. For Mrs. Clinton she’d need someone who could hold their own against Clinton, but bring something new to her base. Any thoughts on who this is, someone who has a record of standing toe to toe with Bill maybe? Not sure who that would be. Any thoughts?
Posted by: michelle | March 9, 2008, 8:17 am 8:17 am
NO – the reason this country is the way it is – is because of Bush.
The Clinton administration was one of the most socio-economically successful we have ever had. When he came into office we were in a recession with a huge deficit, and by the end we were into record surpluses and prosperity. They created more jobs than almost anyone. We were loved around the world.
You all sound like a bunch of brain-washed zombies just repeating Barack’s talking points with no real idea of reality or of the actual truth and history.
This is why I am so mad at him and his campaign. They are the ones who started by being divisive, misrepresenting, and attacking the Clintons when his Bill’s Administration was the most successful Democratic administration we have ever had, and that is inexcusable.
Posted by: Lauren | March 9, 2008, 8:19 am 8:19 am
Michelle I do have some thoughts. BArack defeats Hillary, and asks Kathleen Sebelius the 59 yr old White female Gov of KS she has won 2 times in a predominantly Republican state. she is very smart and would do much to unite the people. by offering the possibility of a woman to the clinonites rejected b the primamry, and she knows how to run a government since she is a 2 term governor. Plus she has the I am not an insider feel about her..
Posted by: Brian | March 9, 2008, 8:23 am 8:23 am
Sarah,
I see the different, “if Mr. Barack Hussein Obama wins nomination, the next president of the USA will be Senator McCain, I am a democratic but my vote will go to him”. I can’t vote for anyone who doesn’t have a well known background and experience. So far, every one knew Clinton’s scandal if any but not much from Mr. Obama and I think the GOP and media will get him once Hillary is out.
Posted by: stock_craft | March 9, 2008, 8:25 am 8:25 am
to call Bill clintons administration the best democratic administration we have ever had is just plain un informed rhetoric
Posted by: Brian | March 9, 2008, 8:27 am 8:27 am
I think Obama has shown us two very important things:
1. That he is just another politician and that he may be even more crooked than what we have seen. I hope not though. But NAFTA-gate, Rezko, Pastor Wright, unpatriotic wife, and chairing a committee that he never shows up for gives great insight.
2. He seems to have a glass jaw and his main people do foolish and dumb things. This may be an indication of an Obama presidency.
Posted by: Jordan | March 9, 2008, 8:27 am 8:27 am
Obama/Sebelius in 2008!
Posted by: Demo Rules | March 9, 2008, 8:28 am 8:28 am
Go to both candidates websites and read their plans for their Presidency’s, there is not much difference between what they both pan to do. Don’t get baited into hatred.
Mrs. Clinton said many of those racial postings on the internet are by people spreading fear and they have nothing to do with her. She said they are the same people who didn’t want a Catholic in the White House when JFK ran. She doesn’t condone it. And we, the intelligent voter, has to do our homework because the bloggers spread things that just aren’t true and they cause panic (by design).
Posted by: Michelle | March 9, 2008, 8:30 am 8:30 am
McCain wont Win nothing he is a Old Angrey Man who will only land us into WWIII.
Posted by: Demo Rules | March 9, 2008, 8:31 am 8:31 am
Brian, that’s a good thought!
Posted by: michelle | March 9, 2008, 8:33 am 8:33 am
No – we literally cannot afford to have such inexperienced people in the White House.
We need the Clinton’s expertise.
As Democrats we need and deserve to have our most qualified leaders working for us at this critical time in our history – we need the best now – for our present – and our future.
Posted by: Lauren | March 9, 2008, 8:35 am 8:35 am
Use your search engine to locate and read the Clinton scandal list and look in to all the “suicides” and suspicious
deaths surrounding the Clinton’s. They are known for dirty politics and dirty business deals! If Obama loses the primary it will be because of voter fraud. I do not want another election decided in Florida!!! Why is this comming up now? We will “redo” the votes until Hillary wins – this is third world politics!! Seems to me we could spend a little time spreading democracy at home.
Posted by: White Mountain | March 9, 2008, 8:35 am 8:35 am
well said michelle, I believe it was Hillary who said that there was not much differenc in any of the candidates so we might as well vote for the one they knew and liked. implying of course her… it is sad to see she did not really mean that comment either.
Posted by: Brian | March 9, 2008, 8:35 am 8:35 am
Demo Rules,
Voting for a not very well known background candidate could land us into WWIII but not Senator John McCain or Hillary. They have been tested in public service job for so long.
Posted by: stock_craft | March 9, 2008, 8:39 am 8:39 am
Bill Clinton was 32 when he became Governor the first time, so he shouldn’t have had this chance Lauren?
When he ran against Bush in 92, it was hope against experience, we went with hope.
Posted by: Michelle | March 9, 2008, 8:39 am 8:39 am
sarah, play fair.. we dont use Hillary’s middle name ….. just both her last names..Stop the Hussein fear rhetoric, facts not fear in 08
Posted by: Brian | March 9, 2008, 8:40 am 8:40 am
Jordan,
You forgot Iraq Powers!
The Chief economic advisor, Goolsbee tells us that Obama was lying about NAFTA.
Then his Chief foreign advisor, Powers tells us that he was lying about Iraq.
I think Obama has been caught red handed by his buddies who aren’t as smart about lying as he is. He seems to be pro con artist.
Posted by: Tony Rezko | March 9, 2008, 8:41 am 8:41 am
Lauren :–From “Memo to Obama fans: Clinton-ism worked.” By David Greenberg, Rutger’s University Professor of History and Media…. They just dont want it to work against them..
Posted by: Brian | March 9, 2008, 8:44 am 8:44 am
Yes Michelle, but because of the Republican tactics and because Bill was young and new, he probably wouldn’t have gotten elected in ’92, if it wasn’t for the running of Ross Perot – an independent – who took away a lot of votes from the Republicans especially.
Posted by: Lauren | March 9, 2008, 8:49 am 8:49 am
by the way lauren I read the slate article…. it is OP ED..
FACTS NOT FEAR 2008
Posted by: Brian | March 9, 2008, 8:49 am 8:49 am
Brian what you said made no sense.
Did you even read the facts I posted?
Posted by: Lauren | March 9, 2008, 8:54 am 8:54 am
Ijust can’t understand why so many American are so stipud to believe what Obama said, he is a 1000% lier, you can just want to have a change that to make a change, does he deserve so? Hillary may be not perfect, but she has experience & ability to work with international affairs, may be she is no good in local, but whoelse can?
Posted by: edpooh | March 9, 2008, 8:59 am 8:59 am
Reading these comments is one of the most discouraging things i will do today. It is time for Democrats to pull themselves together and begin to look for ways accept their non-preferred candidate. Experience? These are two exceptional people who have achieved more than the majority of the posters here will ever achieve. The 3AM phone? How about we work hard to beat McCain so that it is less likely to ring. Bill Clinton, contrary to popular belief, is NOT running for president, nor is Michelle Obama. These theories that Republican operatives are crossing party lines in order to nominate Obama make 9/11 conspiracists look reasonable. His MARGIN OF VICTORY in most primaries has been greater than the number of votes the Repub winner received in total. C’mon. Stick to the facts, demand positivity, choose your candidate and advocate fairly and passionately for him or her and SUPPORT THE WINNER in November.
Posted by: KevinS | March 9, 2008, 9:09 am 9:09 am
Lauren I re read the article. because I do believe in fair play. what I read as an underlying theme not touted to loudly.Is that they got in and hit a few deep. then their unifying MOJO lost the house and senate in 1994 and they wrode the coat tails of previous success through out the remaining scandalaous and disgracefull years.. Ask anyone who survived the sudan, or Ruwanda how strong Clinton Foriegn Policy is. and Can Bill take credit for anything or has She been in charge all along.. or if it is Vice versa will Bill really be in charge….
Posted by: Brian | March 9, 2008, 9:14 am 9:14 am
Michelle post: “Bill Clinton was 32 when he became Governor the first time, so he shouldn’t have had this chance Lauren?
When he ran against Bush in 92, it was hope against experience, we went with hope.”
I didn’t vote for Bill Clinton first term and I never feel regret it. I would rather vote for someone I knew rather than gamble the future to someone not very well known. Today, the situation is much more complex than the year of 1992. Bill Clinton, to be honest was inherit a lot of good stuffs left over by Senior Bush and Reagan policy when he took office if we took out the deficits. However, as of today, beside the war there are many others serious problems such as Jobs, Gas, deficits, Housing, Healthcare are waiting for next president to solve. Don’t you think America can’t afford 4 years of trial and errors after 8 years of nearly broken? How much more you want to pay for 1 gallon of gas? etc…
Posted by: stock_craft | March 9, 2008, 9:17 am 9:17 am
This is Hillary’s scorched earth policy, slash and burn. If she can’t win then her policy is to destroy everything and everyone including the Democratic Party. She is willing to loose her legacy and her dignity all in the name of power. I feel really bad for her if she does this she will regret it later in life.
Posted by: smash | March 9, 2008, 9:23 am 9:23 am
Hillary should quit the DEM and form a new working and middle class party if she loses the nomination. No way, I can’t see she can help this liberal, dumb head party anymore. Many moderate Dem including the conservative Republicans possible will join her.
Posted by: stock_craft | March 9, 2008, 9:29 am 9:29 am
Hillary is the best choice. We can’t afford to have someone who “probably would be a good president” The challenges are just to serious to not be adressed properly.
Look at history people! The books are full of people elected because they ‘talked good’ then went on to destroy their countries.
I applaud Hillary for having the courage, the right vision, and the ability to get the United States of America back on the right track!
Hillary is the best choice!
Posted by: Hillary is the best choice | March 9, 2008, 9:31 am 9:31 am
I see that the Democratic circular firing squad is fully operational this year. Too bad. Bush has nearly destroyed much of the good that our country has stood for. Self destruction will likely continue in Bush II.
PS. Clinton’s recent tactics are all to reminescent of B1. I’d hoped for better from C11. Perhaps it really is better to role the dice a bit on ‘inexperience’ rather than the type of experience brought by C11.
Posted by: mich | March 9, 2008, 9:31 am 9:31 am
Jennifer, “Does anyone else think that this is possible? That Republicans could be voting for Obama?” I do think so, DEM is so liberal and un-organized, they should learn from GOP, never let anyone other than their members voting in primary. Also, they should apply the rule of winner take all and stop the caucus.
Posted by: stock_craft | March 9, 2008, 9:39 am 9:39 am
to clinton-edwards ’08: maybe CLINTON is the one getting the republicans’ votes. they think she will be easier to beat.
Posted by: peeps | March 9, 2008, 9:41 am 9:41 am
Yes, this shows Hillary in her full character: she would prefer to tear the Party to ashes rather than to lose the nomination. “If it’s not for me, it’s for nobody” seems to be her logo. And the party Elderly Council (Gore, Dean, Daschle, Pelosi, Reid) does not seem to be concerned) Everyday, she gives me more nausea…. I can tell for sure: if she wins with the support of the superdelegates, I will happily vote for Mac Cain in November….
Posted by: Denis van Dam | March 9, 2008, 9:46 am 9:46 am
The ‘negative’ comments of Hilary Clinton about Obama are nothing to compare with what the Republicans will come up with. They will have more and are coming up with it now. It’s probably good for the Democrats to hear it now.
Somehow Obama seems to get a pass on being negative, yet there has been a lot more negative press for Clinton than Obama. Musta been the gremlins? Obama constantly says that Clinton is negative, a trick invented by Republicans years ago. It’s like Have you stopped beating your wife?
Also, Obama is far from an anointed candidate. Nobody is suggesting that Hilary be vice-president. Obama has won mostly states that have always gone Republican.
He’s a nice guy but has a LOT to learn like who to associate with and who to have on your side. His three big gaffes in the past few weeks may be a preview of things to come. I heard that he had a press conference, got mad after five questions, and just walked off. Hope he doesn’t plan to do that as president. If the phone rings at 3 AM he may say ‘you get it.’
Posted by: Adele Loessberg | March 9, 2008, 9:50 am 9:50 am
Oh shut up. Obama is the one who is damaging the party, not Hillary.
Posted by: Doreen, Buffalo Grove, IL | March 9, 2008, 10:41 am 10:41 am
I cannot figure out why obama supporters are upset if Hillary prised McCain. I thought that was what the chosen one was all about?
Posted by: GEEVILL | March 9, 2008, 10:57 am 10:57 am
BREAKING NEWS: Obama just won another one of the important swing states this time the all important blue state of Wyoming! He won the caucus by a large margin and therefore won the lions share of delegates 7 to 5. What a blowout! Now it’s on to Mississippi where the outcome is still in doubt.
Posted by: russell | March 9, 2008, 11:02 am 11:02 am
People who like Hillary will not vote for Obama in November. Same goes for Obama fans. Know what that means? McCain wins and we can look forward to 4 more years like the last 8.
Posted by: Kansas | March 9, 2008, 11:27 am 11:27 am
Senator Obama is a flip-flopper. In 2006, which was after his anti-war rhetoric speech, Obama endorsed and spoke on behalf of the reelection of Senator Lieberman, a Democratic war hawk, who lost his primary to an anti-war Democrat so Lieberman just ran as an Independent and was reelected. So where is the change? Obama is says one thing then does another.
Posted by: kar54wru | March 9, 2008, 11:29 am 11:29 am
In 2008, Senator Obama rails against NAFTA in Ohio while his top economic advisor assures the Canadians his rhetoric is just “political positioning.”
He promises to opt in to public financing if the GOP nominee does, but then breaks that pledge in real time.
He promises to withdraw from Iraq within 16 months, and now his top foreign policy adviser says that he’s not relying on the plan.
Posted by: jones | March 9, 2008, 11:34 am 11:34 am
Go read Obama’s policies …because I am sure most of you have not read both sides policies…and look at who actually represents everything we want in a President.
It’s not empty words …but the spin machine keeps trying to make them seem that way…ugh.
Posted by: dl | March 9, 2008, 11:38 am 11:38 am
It turns out those speeches were just words.
And if you can’t trust Senator Obama’s words, what’s left?
Posted by: jones | March 9, 2008, 11:38 am 11:38 am
Why is it no one is concerned about the 1/3 of the delegates virtually stolen from Hillary Clinton in Texas? She wins the popular vote, yet a third of the delegates are awarded based on who can return that night?? That would leave out a lot of blue collar workers, people with young children, older adults…need I go on? In fact, isn’t that how Obama has won MOST of his delegates? Not by a vote of the people, but rather a process that favors some Americans over others. How about a “do over” in every caucus state, to allow a TRUE primary where delegates at least pretend to be based on popular vote?
Posted by: Gail | March 9, 2008, 11:57 am 11:57 am
The math shows that HRC cannot win this nomination without a major theft. If she can’t steal 2008 then she’ll try for 2012 by ruining the Party’s chances this year. There are rats more subtle than the Clinton team
Posted by: bskahn | March 9, 2008, 12:01 pm 12:01 pm
“That Republicans could be voting for Obama?”
Posted by: @T | March 9, 2008, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm
I love the way when Hillary starts winning she’s destroying the PArty. its such utter garbage. And as far as I’m concerned she should go after obama harder. He will be ripped to shreds by the Republicans. She isnt destroying the party, he is. He should have let the Florida and Michigan delegates be seated long ago, but no he makes a 35 million dollar issue out of it, for a few delegates. He’s also makeing a big deal out of super delegates, who’ve been given this vote exactly for the reason that’s occuring and who exist in every democratic PArty on the planet except thety are called ex-officio delegates. They get a vote at convention based on the office they hold. Thye have been elected as delegates. But Obama, not clinton is willing to rip the party apart on this.
He’s the one who should be blamed, but who does the MSM go after gee, I wonder?
Posted by: s.b. | March 9, 2008, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm
Jennifer
I don’t think you want to talk about the Joe Lieberman issue…
This title below is the reference to which everyone is speaking…notice the date…
“Obama rallies state Democrats, throws support behind Lieberman”
By Stephanie Reitz, Associated Press Writer | March 31, 2006
This statement below fromHillary…was on July 4th of that year…
“I’ve known Joe Lieberman for more than 30 years. I have been pleased to support him in his campaign for reelection, and hope that he is our party’s nominee,” the former first lady said in a statement issued by aides.
Both of them put the party first.
They both supported Lieberman…but here we go again…with the spin…Lieberman helped Barack back when he was still in favor with everyone (remember he was the VP with gore?)…
I am not a fan of Lieberman…Never have been…but Hillary had an additinonal axe to grind too …
but if you’ll remember part of the reason people point to, for the reason Lieberman getting the VP position, was to balance out all the crap…that came from the 90′s and the Clinton’s…Lieberman gave the speech denouncing all the crap on the Senate floor.
Posted by: dl | March 9, 2008, 12:06 pm 12:06 pm
No gail, not just who can return that night, who can wait from 7 pm to midnight outside before a meeting ever starts that they have to sit through in order for their “vote” if you can call it that to count.
Yeah I know a lot of disabled people, elderly people, working people, pregnant people who could do that, NOT.
Caucuses are utter garbage. There is no reason why people should have to cast a vote twice, and no reason why in states that only had caucuses a ballot box wouldn’t have done.
There is no way the super delegates should consider these contests democratic votes in the slightest. There are no caucuses in the general.
Posted by: s.b. | March 9, 2008, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm
Obama yikes…
If you want to talk about pissing off part of the democratic party…
You may be a Hillary supporter that won’t back Obama…but I can tell you there is more of a chance of us losing if Obama loses and his supporters fall away.
For years to come.
Can you imagine the party the world will have with the US (and their rejoining or reinvigorated with our team against the terrorists…) if we elect Obama? Think about the difference how we would lead by a beacon again?
Posted by: dl | March 9, 2008, 12:16 pm 12:16 pm
No matter how this election turns out for the Dems, Obama started the whole “attack” mode. I watched the debates as much as I could and he was the first to attack Hillary on her Iraq war stance. She was being a perfect, professionallady throughtout the debates until he started the attacks on her. That is all he has going for him,that she voted with Bush for the war and he opposed it from the very beginning. He sounds like a stuck record. As if she were the only one duped by GWB and his lies and false promises. All who stood with him on Iraq took his word that diplomacy would be used and military action was the last resort. He lied. Military action was first and foremost in his mind and that is exactly what he did, duping all of us. So Obama started the dirty campaign and now he is being a cry baby.
Posted by: Ron | March 9, 2008, 12:18 pm 12:18 pm
Ron …the war is an issue you should debate in a debate…he should challenge her on that. Don’t you think? Just like she was attacking him in that same debate about healthcare …
This is the debate people should have… the negative is all the other stuff that came out when she fell behind…
Posted by: dl | March 9, 2008, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm
Jennifer
Both Hllary and Obama supported Lieberman when he was running
Posted by: dl | March 9, 2008, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm
Geeeeeeesh didn’t Lieberman support Mc Cain huh?????I like how you guys are picking the VP.
Posted by: h | March 9, 2008, 12:26 pm 12:26 pm
by the way Jake…
You were great on CNN today… balanced… even though I may seem not to be by Hillary supporters on here…I am appreciative of the fact that you were.
Posted by: dl | March 9, 2008, 12:26 pm 12:26 pm
Well, it shows media bias against the Clintons. Obama has been doing damaging campaigning from the start: accusing the Clintons of racism, making Harry and Louise attacks on UHC, etc. Almost everything said above applies more to Obama than to Hillary: not caring how much he damages the party if he doesn’t get his own way, right now!
Now, after taking his own name off the MI ballot, whining for a re-do — when he’s offered a re-do he won’t take that either, waaaa, waaaa. It looks like he wants the FL/MI dispute to go to the credentials committee or become a floor fight — so his people can threaten to riot in the streets.
Or maybe he’s trying to delay so long that any FL/MI re-do would have to be a caucus? — more destructive publicity for the Dems, as in the TX caucuses.
Being willing to destroy the prize if you don’t get it — is an Obama tactic, not a Clinton tactic.
Posted by: 1950democrat | March 9, 2008, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm
H
The reference to Lieberman had to do with how he got picked VP with gore…
and it is just another issue we need to take a look at…Lieberman is backing McCain…in Connecticut … there are many states that are in play and people need to look at the margins…the new factors with this election, the astates that had huge differences with dems and repubs, …the map is not what it seems if you break down the numbers…
The Media is finally …today starting to catch on to this…a couple of the big states are important …but this is a question of empowering there base in other parts of the country…when we have the opportunity to take states like North Carolina,Missouri, Louisiana…Colorado…
if you look at these states and how their demos were trending over the last elections…and what Baracks numbers bring to the table…
Some official Media person needs to break these down and include the numbers of dem to repubs in the primaries this year…and that will show where the battles are going to be…
It is strong for obama.
Posted by: dl | March 9, 2008, 12:34 pm 12:34 pm
Edwards isn’t running anymore and the VP candidate …to be honest…I personally don’t care that much (atleast I don’t think that is really a big point who the VP candidate supported in the CT senate race between an indie and a dem.
I care about spin.
Posted by: dl | March 9, 2008, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm
bskahn wrote: “The math shows that HRC cannot win this nomination without a major theft. If she can’t steal 2008 then she’ll try for 2012 by ruining the Party’s chances this year. There are rats more subtle than the Clinton team”
The math also shows Mr. Barack Hussein Obama cannot win this nomination without a major theft too….
Posted by: stock_craft | March 9, 2008, 12:50 pm 12:50 pm
Geevil, it sounds like you’re the far left, and need to leave the party. Its amazing how many Republican bloggers, pretending to be Dems are on the blogs with propaganda & slant to misinform, stir conflict and create discord between Dems who have controlled the political buzz since day one. Take off your masks, and go blog with other Republicans, if you’re so firmly sure of your coming November victory, instead of twisting truths…theres enough of that already!
Posted by: jay | March 9, 2008, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm
I was a strong Clinton supporter however I am sorry to say that long ago I lost my respect and trust for both Hillary and her husband. I strongly believe our country needs to turn the page and seek a higher standard in who we send to the Whitehouse. The tactics of Hillary Clinton in this campaign have been despicable and have played on the cynicism of our electorate. I do not understand how the Clintons believe they will win in November without the support and energy of the Obama movement in this country. Over a million Americans have given their hard earned money to support him, thousands are actively volunteering for him and a good majority of them are growing in their resentment and distaste of Hillary Clinton. Her behavior during the last few weeks has been deplorable. She is not being vetted on the “off limit” controversial issues mentioned in this article because Obama does not believe in slash and burn tactis. There is plenty of ammo he could use but is too noble to do so. Many Americans believe there is a good chance scandal and divisive partisan politics would follow with the Clintons back in the Whitehouse. The Republican party would regain strengh preventing real change from being a posibility. Therefore, the remaining superdelegates should resist the pressure by the Clintons to support them. Why are they holding back their documents until after the nomination? This is an overt political decision to hide information from the Democratic voters not the Republicans. So,why should party insiders and elected officials support the candidate who seems not to respect party rules or care about the future of the Democratic party. The Republicans recognize the passion and potential power of the Obama movement and do not know how to run against it. They will be glad to go after Hillary and highlight every flaw and scandal. They will do so with ease because, like Hillary, they find that to be the fun part of the campaigning. With so much ammo they will likely win. Superdelegates realize it is on you. Barack Obama is the best choice because he has the wisdom, integrity and honesty to finally bring honor to the Whitehouse again. He hopes to bring out the best in Americans. Hillary is smart and calculating but not wise and honest. She represents the fear mongering ruthless side of the democratic party and sees the political process as a game to win by any means necessary. It is not a hard decision to make if the true intent of the democrats is to bring real positive change to Washington and again elevate our our place in the World.
Posted by: Jane in Hudson,FL | March 9, 2008, 1:06 pm 1:06 pm
When Obama was asked why he did not hold a single hearing of Afghanistan oversight committee, of which Obama is the chairman, he responded that he was too busy compaigning and did not have time to devote. My question would be what is more important, security of the country or compaigning for the presidency?
Posted by: satish | March 9, 2008, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm
When Hillary starts to align herself with McCain re political strenghth, we now know how DESPERATE she is for POWER! As far I am concerned the Clintons are history. America deserves better. Thank God for Obama!
JED
Posted by: Jed | March 9, 2008, 1:13 pm 1:13 pm
Hillary is DESPERATE for power! How can she align herself with McCain? Hillary has lost my vote if she becomes the democratic nominee. I will cross party lines and vote for McCain especially since she is saying the she and McCain have the same strengths!
JED
Posted by: JED | March 9, 2008, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm
US election is about the people of US. To the world outside of US, whom Americans elect is about the characters of American people in general. Barack Obama – a trustworthy, honest and wise stateman, or Hillary Clinton – an agressive, selfish and mean politician. Yes, well educated people perfer Obama. But most Americans are not well educated, and they are are so used to a mean political culture. If Obama loss, it will be a huge loss of American people. The sad thing is most of them do not see this way, evne they really need health care, jobs etc. Sometimes, it does make people question who deserve what?!
Posted by: lily | March 9, 2008, 1:48 pm 1:48 pm
Hillary is so desparate that she probably will win. When someone wants something so badly that they will do anything to attain it they usually win. I don’t think that either hillary or obama have even a clue as to what being President is all about nor do they have the experience to perform that job. However, the voters are so clueless that they will elect one of them. When the consequences start occuring watch how everyone forgets who they voted for.
Posted by: strangelove | March 9, 2008, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm
Obama is the one who is trying to break the party. His supporters are the ones that write hate not only for the candidate but everyone that supports them. Saying their going to riot and hit people upside the head. Just read blogs and see who says all the negative stuff. And if Obama was all that he would get on TV and state that he does not want support from people who would act in such a way, but he won’t so that says all I need to know about him.
Posted by: pebbles | March 9, 2008, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm
Hahahahah “Hillary Clinton is doing what’s best for the country…” That is laughable. Hillary Clinton is doing whatever she can to gain power. Hillary Clinton does not care one iota about the country or the party – just winning. “Hillary Clinton is burning down the village in order to save it”. Sounds a whole lot like George W. “I know best so play along as I burn down your village” approach. I look forward to voting McCain because if Hillary Clinton wins the nomination – essentially rewarded for her despicable campaign – the Dems will have shown themselves to be a weak, disorganized, spine-less cabal.
Posted by: EddyNewHope | March 9, 2008, 2:12 pm 2:12 pm
john edwards has 26 delegates
Posted by: alison | March 9, 2008, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm
While I think the networks do a decent job of offering fair and balanced coverage of general news, When it comes to any thing Clinton,
I am unable to decide if its dislike for Hillary or love of Barack that effects the coverage.
superlatives for him win or lose, for her daming praise at best
Posted by: P.S. Burton | March 9, 2008, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm
Lily, with the words you use to describe Clinton it appears your hate and self rightness are far greater than Clinton herself. For claiming you are educated and know better is elitist at best and plain stupid at worse. Had you claimed Obama had a better policy here or there then we could talk. Instead you use this blog for no other reason than say to Clinton supporters should Clinton lose we want nothing to do with your kind as you are all contaminated. And you call this educated?
Posted by: Dogsoldier | March 9, 2008, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm
The comments by these Obama (or Reps.) supporters are irrelevant and self-serving. The fact is that out of 27 million people that voted each has about 50%. There is NO reason to abort the democratic primary race. Thes epeople should sut up and let the people have their saying. There will be plento of time starting June 1st for them to speak up.
These statements make them look desperate; as if they are afraid of what could happen if people in the remaining states are left to choose….
All the talk about “damaging the dem. party” is nonsense. There is *nothing* at all being said that the Reps. won’t say on their own, without anyones’s help. Thinking otherwise is infantile.
Posted by: Arnod | March 9, 2008, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm
The Clinton attacks are in fact, NOT like the Republican attacks to come, because Obama will not cut a fellow Democrat down the way Hillary has no problem doing. I have no doubt that he will do very well against John McCain. Hillary’s self-serving, throw-the-other-Democrats-under-the-bus tactics are extremely distasteful to this Independent, and I’ll remember it in November if she is the eventual nominee.
Posted by: massi | March 9, 2008, 3:03 pm 3:03 pm
And thank you for finally bringing up the scandals of the Clinton years. Hillary can not tout her “experience” as part of the administration of an impeached, disbarred president without addressing what that experience entailed – Whitewater, cattle futures, presidential pardons of fugitives and donors, etc. Certainly, these parts of her “experience” are relevant to her qualifications as president.
Posted by: massi | March 9, 2008, 3:08 pm 3:08 pm
Quote that Hillary is running around saying: “I have a lifetime of experience that I will bring to the White House,” she told reporters. “Sen. John McCain has a lifetime of experience that he’d bring to the White House. And Sen. [Barack] Obama has a speech he gave in 2002.”
It seems to me like she is perhaps running to become John McCain’s running mate…? How could you talk up the other party’s candidate in order to make yourself sound slightly better. I think she is trying to destroy Barack’s chances in November so that she can run in 2012. In my humble opinion, she is a monster. I don’t think they should have let the adviser go who said it, its true. It is clear she is willing to lie, cheat, and try to destroy a good honest man to get to the White House.
Don’t let America fall for her. She won’t end the war in Iraq. Her position on the war is the same as John McCain’s. She just doesn’t want to admit it…. wait the quote at the top kinda does…
Posted by: David, Houston, TX | March 9, 2008, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm
clinton is boring. !!!
Posted by: albion | March 9, 2008, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm
Let’s just hope that people rise up in the Democratic Party and tell the world WE DO NOT want OBAMA as our President or Vice President! He has no chance of winning in November and will only bring down the Democratic Party. The only positive that could come out of him being nominated is that his political career will be destroyed forever when he loses!! Just like his followers–Gary Hart, John Kerry, Jessie Jackson, etc.
Posted by: df | March 9, 2008, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm
Glad to hear it James. I know of people who feel the same if Obama wins.
Posted by: petry | March 9, 2008, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm
Demo Rules,
We’re already in WWIII…you just haven’t figured it out yet. Our enemy has declared this over and over and have followed up with incinerating over 3,000 of our citizens, hacking of heads, suing people who dare speak out against them. They’ve written about their strategy…they have a timetable for the takeover of Europe and the US. They want us all praying 5 times a day to Allah. Maybe they’ll succeed, maybe they won’t…but pretending it isn’t happening won’t make it go away.
Posted by: suzyQ | March 9, 2008, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm
To paraphrase Harry Truman:
When given the choice between a fake Fear-mongering, millitaristic, Repuboican corporate tool and a real Fear-mongering, millitaristic, Repuboican corporate tool, voters will pick the real thing. We need to run as real Democrats, not pseudo Republicans.
Hillary, you blew it.
Posted by: Larry-T | March 9, 2008, 3:42 pm 3:42 pm
If you have noticed, blacks who support Obama supporters are threatening and blackmailing (by saying they won’t get re-elected) if black superdelegates to change their vote to Obama (John Lewis a perfect example). Where’s the moral outrage? We wouldn’t accept whites doing the same. Where is Obama with his moral superiority decrying these actions? Just goes to show you, he’s a politician just like the rest- except he only has words because it takses action to decry objectable actions by your supporters.
Posted by: Olin | March 9, 2008, 3:44 pm 3:44 pm
“If one candidate is trying to scare you, and the other one is trying to make you think, if one candidate’s appealing to your fears, and the other one’s appealing to your hopes, you better vote for the person who wants you to think and hope.” ( Bill Clinton.)
Posted by: george | March 9, 2008, 3:55 pm 3:55 pm
Barack Obama does not own hope, change, or unity – that is what the Democratic Party has always been about
But Barack has gone negative from the start. He has been the one saying negative things. He has ‘just been saying whatever it takes to win.’ And making a lot of Democrats who know the truth extremely upset.
He is the one being the ultimate hypocrite, dividing the party.
Hillary Clinton is a very good woman. she started organizing the help the children of migrant families when she was a teenager. She has only brought up legitimate important issues to consider about qualifications when electing a president, the rest is negative media spin.
More than half of the popular vote has been for Hillary.
We in the Democratic party deserve to have our most qualified candidate, and we will continue to demand what is truly right.
We need our most qualified leaders at this time.
We need the Clinton’s expertise.
They live and breathe policy. There is no one more knowledgeable, no one with more experience of what works and what doesn’t work.
Hillary is our most qualified candidate – it was obvious at all the debates.
Obama has a bright future, and he will be a part of the party and perhaps the Presidency.
But there are many of us in the Democratic party who demand the right to
have our most qualified candidate win.
She has the best plans and policies. She is centrist. She works across the aisle. She has actually done all the things Obama talks about.
Bill’s administration was the most socio-economically accomplished and successful Democratic administration we have ever had.
They have not at all been as negative as the media has spun them. The media is sensationalizing everything.
Barack could never beat McCain. The Republicans will portray him as an “inexperienced anti-war liberal.” He will be the unknown candidate, with virtually no proof of what he says, and wing voters will vote for the security of McCain and not the scary unknown candidate. Not McCain, but the Republican 527s will bring Barack and his numbers way down.
If Barack is the nominee, we will lose, you will see this all play out.
You have to understand the reality of swing voters who do not think like you,
and will not want to have such an unknown candidate in the White House.
Everyone knows the Clintons know how to bring prosperity to this country. Bill Clinton had huge approval ratings, we were loved around the world. There will be no more “scandals,” in the other “scandals” they were never found of wrongdoing, and they’ve been especially careful because they know people will try to pull things like this when she’s running.
Most people care about what is most important, and the person who is truly prepared and knowledgeable, with the best plans and policy, who would help our country most efficiently and effectively, and that is Hillary Clinton.
Posted by: Lauren | March 9, 2008, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm
Lauren,
The problem with Hillary is not that she isn’t steeped in politics…since college she’s been nothing but politics.
The problem is her character -her willingness to say or do anything to get her way. There is no one she won’t mow down, no lie she won’t tell, no law she won’t bend or figure out how to break to get where she thinks she should be. You should read Hitchens or Morris on this, both of whom know her extremely well and think the prospect of her as the most powerful person in the world is horrifying. I personally know some very influential Democrats who are for Obama because of things Hillary has done and these are people who were given great favor by Bill.
It’s about more than being a policy wonk, you have to have the character to do the right thing for everyone, not just yourself. For me, Hillary setting out to destroy the women her husband accosted was enough for me. That is just sick.
Posted by: SuzyQ | March 9, 2008, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm
From the beginning of his campaign, Barack has been dismissive of Hillary and all her experience, and dismissive of Bill’s administration which was provenly the most successful and accomplished Democratic administration we have ever had.
This is an outrage and disgrace to the party. These are two of our most intelligent, competent, qualified leaders who are centrist, and have worked across the aisle, who truly delivered hope and change, to our country in our party.
They have truly done all the things Barack is talking about. Bill had huge approval ratings.
The reason why our country is in the shape it’s in now, is all because of BUSH.
But Barack has been dismissive of the Clintons, smearing them, and it is all just a strategy to win.
He knew how popular Hillary and Bill were with the party, so he has engaged in a very subtle, crafted, “politics of personal destruction,” and that is what has been so unfair.
It is completely duplicitous and hypocritical.
Posted by: Lauren | March 9, 2008, 5:19 pm 5:19 pm
Here’s the Hillary Clinton argument: we are vicious, ruthless fighters who are the only ones who can win against the vicious, ruthless Republicans. And, by the way, Obama is lying for saying we’re vicious and ruthless.
If you support Hillary Clinton, why not tell the truth? You support a politician who has no limit on how much she’ll bend the truth to win, no low to which she will not stoop. If you like that, vote for her (if you haven’t already). If you don’t, vote for Obama.
Posted by: shrimpton | March 9, 2008, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm
I get up every morning wondering what the heck is she going to do next? One day she praises, the next she says shame on you, the next is a joint ticket, the next she says Joh McCain deserves to be president. Don’t think I want that person answering the phone.
Her tactics remind of George W.
Posted by: John Compton | March 9, 2008, 5:35 pm 5:35 pm
Most of the “influential democrats who are for Obama” are just jealous of the Clintons and all their success in the party.
I heard Tom Daschle essentially admitted that he thinks this is true about some in the party, on Charlie Rose.
Well the Clintons accomplished so much because they are so intelligent, knowledgeable, and dedicated, and we need their expertise.
Many of these people are using the inexperienced Barack as their puppet, having him say all the perfect things, when he hasn’t proven any of them.
The Clintons are strong and competent.
We need them.
Sexism plays a big role, and some try to belittle Hillary. Imagine if she were a man with all her experience. They would never treat her the same way.
Many men, who wrote those books, are scared by a strong, intelligent, competent woman, and try to demonize her.
What do you think the Salem witch trials were about?
Everyone in politics makes mistakes at times, everyone has to change positions at times.
Barack has already made a lot of mistakes, and changed positions.
But we can’t afford to have another inexperienced President right now.
I do want to have to wait, as he goes through the experience of his learning curve.
He wouldn’t be able beat McCain anyway, after the Republicans are through with him.
The country is now even more concerned about the economy than the War in Iraq.
And Hillary has the best plans and politcies, the most knowledge, and expertise. She has worked across the aisle, the people who really know her and don’t have some personal issues, like her a lot. She would be an excellent negotiator.
Look at her with open eyes in the debates.
She is excellent.
Posted by: Lauren | March 9, 2008, 5:51 pm 5:51 pm
From CBS’s “For the Record”
The most fascinating thing about Clinton in the Senate was to hear the conservative Republicans that had gone back home and often advanced their own political careers by using Hillary as the great whipping person,” said Norman Ornstein of the American Enterprise Institute, “going around saying privately and for some of them publicly, ‘wow what a nice person and what a terrific colleague.’”
Posted by: Lauren | March 9, 2008, 6:00 pm 6:00 pm
Well John, most of that has been put up there by their opponents – they have never been found of any wrongdoing.
It just means that you are buying all the negative spin and hype. Bill had huge approval ratings at the end of his administration.
The Republicans will not change, they will drag Barack throught the mud as much as they can too, and then you will feel sick of him, and all those issues.
The Clintons don’t at all deserve to be treated that way.
And it is a shallow reason to not choose our most qualified leader, do what is in the best interest of our country.
She is truly the one who would help our country the most at this time.
Posted by: Lauren | March 9, 2008, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm
Lauren,
These “influential Democrats” are not jealous of Hillary…believe me. They have fantastic lives of their own and don’t have to mooch off the public to get where they’re going or to feed their egos.
And you think Christopher Hitchens is jealous or afraid of Hillary because she’s a strong woman? If he was afraid he’d have kept his mouth shut. He said Hillary’s only motivating factor is the worship of money and power. He used to be a personal guest of theirs at the White House until he figured out who they really are.
Hillary was such an excellent planner and negotiator that she completely failed at overhauling health care when given this plum by her husband.
Hillary has such great credentials that after her assignment as one of the Watergate attorneys she was one of 3, out of literally hundreds, specified as not for rehire by her supervisor because of lying and other ethics problems. This is all searchable on the net since her supervisor, a Democrat, wrote a book that discussed this.
Hillary has such expertise gained by being First Lady that as Senator – in probably her most important vote – voted for the Iraq war and now says that’s the one thing she’d like to take back.
You say we need Hillary..maybe you do. What I want from her is to stay outta my life.
Posted by: SuziQ | March 9, 2008, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm
Not found any wrong doing? Do you remember a little episode called impeachment? Beleive me. I voted and stood up for the man for 8 years. No way I do it for another 4.
Posted by: John Compton | March 9, 2008, 6:23 pm 6:23 pm
Good observations Peter,
My question is this:
I keep asking, and none of the Barack supporters have answered, what exactly do you think she is doing or has done?
Even the 3am ad was just to get people to think about who is more qualified.
Barack called it fear mongering, and then immediately put out his own exact version.
If people saw both candidates versions, and chose Hillary, that just means that the more people really think about who is most qualified, the more they realize it is Hillary.
This is very important when we are selecting our President.
People didn’t do enough thinking when Bush was elected twice.
Barack is much more intelligent than Bush, and has a promising future, but 3 years in the Senate is not enough national experience for what we optimally need in electing a president at this time.
Posted by: Lauren | March 9, 2008, 6:34 pm 6:34 pm
I keep asking, and none of the Barack supporters have answered, what exactly do you think she is doing or has done?
She is married to Bill Clinton and her husband was impeached.
Posted by: John Compton | March 9, 2008, 6:38 pm 6:38 pm
Well, if time in the job is what counts for qualifications than John McCain wins hands down.
I personally think character counts – a lot. Also someone with a reasoned, calm attitude, not someone who thinks they know better than anyone else and is known for throwing lamps and ashtrays when things aren’t going her way.
Obama overcame difficulty at an early age – I don’t care what anyone says, being mixed race, dealing with the cross cultural issues to find out who he is, succeeding at Harvard…..this is no small matter. Plus, he has taken on one of the most deadly political machines ever assembled – one so arrogant that it had no plans past Super Tuesday. That alone should be enough to show how qualified he is at being in charge.
Posted by: SuziQ | March 9, 2008, 6:42 pm 6:42 pm
Suzie Q:
You are just biased.
Although it is not what is truly important, there are a lot of people who are jealous of their political success. People in the party have said so.
Everyone makes mistakes. I am sure you have. How would you like to be defined *only* by your mistakes?
Mistakes are how people learn.
Barack got favors from Rezko when he knew Rezko was under investigation for fraud, extortion, money laundering, and more.
Is that all we should focus on? The Republicans will make it one thing.
Christopher Hitchens makes his living by being a critic. He is critical of everyone and everything. He is critical of himself.
And he’s an extreme conservative.
Hillary gets her greatest satisfaction out of helping people.
That is why she works so hard.
She would never have stayed involved in politics if she were selfish – she would never have gone through all this additional hassle. She could have gotten a cushy job at anytime. Helping people is her passion.
Posted by: Lauren | March 9, 2008, 6:48 pm 6:48 pm
I want to see the tax forms. Should be interesting. This week’s issue states that Obama’s charges got a boost last week when the Archives confirmed (in response to a USA TodayFreedom of Information request) that it withheld 1,114 pages of White House documents on President Bill Clinton’s controversial pardons of Marc Rich and others—including two felons who hired Hillary’s brother Tony Rodham to get their pardon requests approved.
Those who live in glass houses…
Posted by: nuqueen1 | March 9, 2008, 6:48 pm 6:48 pm
Republicans wasted millions of tax dollars and time, trying to impeach Bill over what should have always been only a personal marital affair.
No other country in the world has ever put their leader on trial because of a personal marital affair, because they know it’s a ridiculous unimportant waste of time.
They all thought we were out of our minds.
JFK had more affairs while he was in office, but fortunately for him and his family, it was before the time of scandalizing personal marital affairs.
Posted by: Lauren | March 9, 2008, 6:55 pm 6:55 pm
It’s not just time on the job, she is experienced and extremely knowledgable.
The difference between her and McCain’s qualifications will be really evident in the debates.
She knows much more about the wide variety of issues than he does.
She knows much, much more about the economy.
Posted by: Lauren | March 9, 2008, 7:02 pm 7:02 pm
Hitchens a conservative?????!!!!!! You think Hillary would have allowed him in the front door for personal dinners if he were a conservative? Hillary doesn’t think that conservatives are decent people and doesn’t want them in her house. Hitchens is a well known LEFTIST and wrote a book called No One Left to Lie To about the Clintons. Same thing David Geffin said about them, actually – that they’re liars.
The Democrats I know turned against Hillary because of specific things she did – one of which was against Gore who is a personal friend of theirs.
You think Hillary is in politics because she is unselfish? Is that why she and Bill are now multi-millionaires who won’t release their tax returns because they might show how unselfish they are?
Did she care about the White House travel office employees when she fired them so she could give the “slots” to her friends from Hollywood and then put the employees through legal hell from which they were eventually vindicated? The list of things like this is absolutely endless. Hillary once chewed Bill out for hanging out with people who aren’t rich and successful. One thing you can say for her – she knows which way is up.
I could more understand if you said…OK, she’s capable of being a snake but I’m voting for her anyway because at least I know what I”m getting. To me that would make more sense than a portrayal of Saint Hillary.
Posted by: SuziQ | March 9, 2008, 7:07 pm 7:07 pm
“Mississippi follows Wyoming as the next state to weigh in on the Democratic presidential race Tuesday. There’s two good pieces of news for Sen. Obama: Republicans and independents can vote in the primary and there’s a large African American population.” From ABC Sunday Political Outlook.
Is it the Democratic way? Is that what John Kerry means Democratic? Early, he said that he doesn’t think a vote by mail is Democratic. No wonder he lost to Bush in 2004.
Posted by: stock_craft | March 9, 2008, 8:07 pm 8:07 pm
Lauren, Bill did have high approval ratings at the end of his term (in the 60s’, up from his all-time low of 34%). But his personal ratings were not so good:
“Yet this is also a president [Clinton] with truly dismal personal ratings: Sixty-seven percent of Americans say he’s not honest and trustworthy. Seventy-seven percent say he lacks high moral and ethical standards. And just 44 percent view him favorably “as a person.” (ABC News).
The Clintons insist on projecting themselves as a team. Bill has referred to “we” in reference to a potential presidency several times in MS. So right or wrong, that mistrust is also projected onto Hillary.
I don’t want a another co-presidency, and the more I learn about the decision-making process in the Clinton years (the decision for airstrikes in Bosnia, for example), the more disturbing I find this possibility. We have a constitution – and co-presidency is not mentioned. We’re supposed to elect the leaders who answer that phone call at 3 am.
Posted by: Mara | March 9, 2008, 9:36 pm 9:36 pm
“If one candidate is trying to scare you, and the other one is trying to make you think, if one candidate’s appealing to your fears, and the other one’s appealing to your hopes, you better vote for the person who wants you to think and hope.” Bill Clinton said this in 2004 to support Kerry since GWB kept bringing in the War on Terror and Osama. It does not apply in this case because, Hillary is asking a very important question. We all need to ask that important question — “who do you want as commander-in-chief?” If you believe it is Obama, that is your choice but it still is an important question and has no relevance to Bill Clinton’s 2004 comment. I believe that Obama is just trying to sell hope and is not addressing the important policy questions. Hope with plain change in mind is trouble. Hope with vision in mind is the real hope we can have. Hillary offers that. Taking comments out of context and making an argument out of that displays a certain amount of shallow thinking.
Posted by: Voter | March 9, 2008, 10:34 pm 10:34 pm
Deb, You resent that the majority of more educated people are voting for Barack Obama, or the Exit Polls which prove that, that is the case???
As to the theory that Hillary is going to help the lower classes, I think you should take a good look at what each Candidate did immediately after College.
Hillary went to work at the Rose Law Firm, making very good money. Which, incidentally, took her into infamy over Whitewater. (She didn’t think that she was making enough money)
Barack Obama was offered a very well paying position, but he turned it down to be a very low paid Community Organizer on the Streets of Chicago, working for the poorest of poor. His next position was as a Public Defender.
Sometimes it pays to check into the background of someone before you take what they say at face value.
Posted by: Rebecka | March 9, 2008, 10:49 pm 10:49 pm
Knowing now that she won’t be the nominee for the democratic party, Hillary wants to hurt Obama and the democratic paty this year so that Obama would lose in November against McCain. This would set her up to run again in 2012 against McCain. With Obama as president, she can’t run against her own party’s sitting president and she would be too old to run in 2016.
Posted by: Enugu-nine | March 9, 2008, 11:29 pm 11:29 pm
Hope is a powerful thing… but will it trump realism? The DNC Convention will thrash that out. I don’t envy you guys! But I do appreciate your sincere efforts in providing us with entertainment… and for giving us hope for an easier election.
Posted by: smartprimate | March 9, 2008, 11:34 pm 11:34 pm
Democrats should be wise and vote for Obama. Clinton will bring a lot of drama and fights with the republicans and everyone else that she will accomplish nothing for us. Remember her 1993 health care was used by republicans to take both houses of congress the very next year, 1994. Democrats are yet to recover from that loss. Please think, democrats, think.
Posted by: Gillis | March 9, 2008, 11:38 pm 11:38 pm
Lauren, It’s hard to prove wrongdoing by anyone when all the witnesses are ***silenced.***
“Just a quick refresher course, lest we forget what has happened to some ‘friends’ and ‘employees’ of the Clintons.
1 – James McDougal – Clinton’s convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr’s investigation.
2 – Mary Mahoney – A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown . The murder happened just before she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the Whitehouse.
3 – Vince Foster – Former White House counselor and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock ‘s Rose Law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide. (With a gun that wouldn’t fire by his side)
4 – Ron Brown – Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown’s skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors. The rest of the people on the plane also died. A few days later the air Traffic controller committed suicide.
5 – C. Victor Raiser II – Raiser, a major player in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992
6 – Ed Willey – Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in VA of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.
7 – Jerry Parks – Head of Clinton’s gubernatorial security team in Little Rock . Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock. Park’s son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton . He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.
8 – James Bunch – Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a ‘Black Book’ of people which contained names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas.
9 – Suzanne Coleman – Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot; wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.
10 – THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD:
1 – Major William S. Barkley Jr.
2 – Captain Scott J. Reynolds
3 – Sgt. Brian Hanley
4 – Sgt. Tim Sabel
5 – Major General William Robertson
6 – Col. William Densberger
7 – Col. Robert Kelly
8 – Spec. Gary Rhodes
9 – Steve Willis
10 – Robert Williams
11 – Conway LeBleu
12 – Todd McKeehan
And that is just a partial list.
Posted by: Rebecka | March 9, 2008, 11:48 pm 11:48 pm
The Democrats are finding out what
Republicans have known for years!
The Clintons are Pond Scum!
Posted by: reaganfan | March 10, 2008, 12:15 am 12:15 am
SuzieQ -
I just read Hitchen’s Wiki entry, and like I said he is first and foremost a critic – he just kind of blows around with whatever choice winds of change, criticizing everything at his convenience. During the interview I remember most, he was in his “neo-conservative” period. I will include some quotes, but you can read it for yourself.
“Hitchens is noted for his acerbic wit as a polemicist and intellectual. While he was once identified with the Anglo-American radical political left, he has latterly embraced some right-wing causes, notably the war in Iraq.”
Hitchens described himself as “on the same side as the neo-conservatives.”
I would also mention for the record, that while some polls may seem to show a
higher percentage of college grads going for Obama, there are still very high percentages of college grads going for Hillary. And myself and most of my friends with Master’s degrees and higher, support Hillary.
So that’s just another campaign oversimplification and exaggeration.
Most of the posts I see from Hillary supporters are well thought out, and backed-up, while most of the posts I see from Obama supporters are just full of the most hideous insults and lies.
I am not impressed by most Obama supporters in the least; indeed many seem to just recite his talking points and not be able to think for themselves, or have very accurate memories of history or reality.
They are just full of negativity, and falsehoods.
Posted by: Lauren | March 10, 2008, 12:16 am 12:16 am
For all of you that think good things of Hillary, you need to check multiple sites that will inform you all the issues both her and Bill did. A number of murders are related to them, one a female that was taking him to court regarding sexual advances, not Monica, about 45 people mysteriously died of gunshot wounds that were giving information about them to the courts. A number of Whitehouse employees moving to other countries, standing on the 5th. Having a Co-President is very illegal. That is what we would want again, and they would do whatever to be in the Whitehouse another 8 yrs. breaking alot of laws, lying, doing whatever it takes to get what they want.
If Hillary is really for the poor, why did they steal millions of dollars, feeling they need/want more money. She is a fake/lier/lazy/damaging to our country. She is one that got the businesses moving out of country, costing us millions of jobs.
I heard a female that has worked with Hillary for 35 yrs. on TV stating how lazy she is, how she told the Democrates to wreck the Whitehouse upon leaving it, that she poured coffee down files, (what would she want to cover up), phone cords were cut, graffeti painted on a number of walls, a number of rooms had a lot of garbage in it, the letter w was removed from several (100?) computers. Damages cost triple diget,(thousands of dollars) to clean the Whitehouse.
Who/what kind of person would want that back in our Whitehouse? It isn’t the media that is giving her the reputation, the Clinton’s have earned that all by themselfs.
Pictures of the President and Vice President is normally hung in a number of places in the Whitehouse, not with them, the pictures were of the Clinton’s not the vice-President. Clinton lovers need to really accept them for the person they are. Not the lies they have been telling us.
What has Hillary accomplished that gives her the experience to be the best canidate. Just living in the Whitehouse doesn’t give her experience. The health care project Bill gave her she couldn’t accomplish getting that approved.
Obama is a Born Again Christian. He will be one that will be able to turn this country around, working with the general public to get things changed. He will not be giving money to the richest people and keeping some himself. He is one that is dedicated to help the poor, including the homeless, with no home, medical, money etc. What would Hillary do? He is also going to help the veterans get the medical care, needing not driving hundreds of miles/hours away from home, waiting weeks, months, yrs. for medical care. He has lived in a number of countries, and knows how to communicate with them, he will be the best one to serve our country. I want someone that is caring, giving, intelligent, honest, hard worker, a good speaker, a good communicator, and one that knows how to do planning to accomplish getting things done. Obama is the one that has gotten thousands of people in every state to vote that never voted, gave up voting (I’m one of them) to vote again.
Voters Please Think Hard, do research on the canidates before voting.
Posted by: Sharon | March 10, 2008, 12:49 am 12:49 am
Add “spoiler” to the Clintons’ record of private, public and financial misdeeds.
A party of change cannot be a party to corruption.
The good thing about taking a bridge to the 21st century is that you do get to the other side–no replays of the awfulness the Clintons and a bunch of brain dead GOPers visited on this country …
“Cynicism is a sorry kind of wisdom,” sayeth Barack.
Let’s get this country moving again.
Posted by: MARTIN EDWIN "MICK" ANDERSEN | March 10, 2008, 1:14 am 1:14 am
Hitchens agrees with the neocons regarding the war on terror. He sees an extreme danger there as do most people willing to face the issue. I actually think most of the congress agrees about the danger which is why the funding bills keep getting passed. I think the congress is using their vocal opposition to the war as a way to get votes. After all, they couldn’t agree with Bush and still stay in business, could they? This is why Hillary voted for the war..she knew enough to know we had to confront the devil or it would just keep getting worse. What I can’t handle is her backtracking on it now instead of standing up for what she believed in. I actually think that if Hillary had been President she would have taken on Bin Laden instead of waffling the way Bill did. I think of the two, she has more backbone.
Unfortunately there are two sides to that knife.
Where I agree with Obama is he wants to put an end to the hyper-partisanship which is where Hillary lives. I’m so sick of the divisiveness! Pitting one group against another prevents us getting anything done – creates fear and distrust and Hillary does this intentionally – read her hero Saul Alinsky on this. She follows him to a T. She has told people that if they don’t go along with her she will destroy them…and has done this. It’s called Blood Sport and she thinks it’s the “fun part”. She likes to capitalize on this for her own benefit – the pain she causes those she targets is of no concern to her.
My other problem with Hillary is her lack of ethics and character. She’ll stop at nothing to get her way. And, she is no saint and I don’t expect any of our candidates to be but she is especially malicious to those she figures are in her way. Once again I have to say that the way she treated the women her husband molested – well it’s just sickening for her to attack the victims to protect her career.
Here is the man, a Democrat, who noted Hillary’s character defects a long time ago:
“During my 14-year tenure with the House Judiciary Committee, I had supervisory authority over several hundred staff members. With the exception of Ms. Rodham, Doar and Nussbaum, I recommend all of them for future positions of public and private trust.”
Jerry Zeifman is the author of “Without Honor: The Impeachment of President Nixon and the Crimes of Camelot,” which describes the above matters in more detail. (See http://www.iethical.org/book.htm)
I think we’re quite fortunate to have an alternative to Hillary. Obama has shown great courage and management skills in taking on Hillary and her machine – which, BTW, turns out to be not so well run. The NYT says today that Hillary was stunned to find out that the campaign was broke, despite getting weekly emails regarding the campaign’s financial status. You might want to check out that article and see if the NYT thinks she’s qualified to run a nation.
Thanks for looking up Hitchens. Interesting how the war has made strange bedfellows.
Posted by: SuziQ | March 10, 2008, 1:29 am 1:29 am
Look, you people can believe all the lies you want – but just remember you don’t really know the truth until you personally know Hillary yourself – or until you have walked in her shoes, you truly have no right to judge or think you really know.
How would you like other people to come and judge you and your life – without even knowing you – to believe a bunch of lies about you?
If you have a pre-formed strong negative opinion of someone, you will see everything they do as negative. You will see everything through the lens of your strong negative opinion.
If she smiles, she’s fake, if she does something good, she’s scheming. This is prejudice at work. This is the same psychological dynamic that used to make people think that certain minorities or classes were dumb, or any other number of self-fufilling perceptions. So just keep that in mind. I assure you, she is a good woman. There are many people who truly know her, who really like her. Both in politics – like James Carville who said on GMA the other day that she’s one of the people he loves the most in this world, and it hurts him so much when he hears the things people say about her, because they are so false. Or the famous author John Grisham who loves her and thinks she’s a wonderful woman, or Steven Spielberg supports her and is her friend. These are people who actually know her and are not her opponents.
So let’s keep a grip on reality in mind, and try to be objective, and realize that there are a lot of ‘haters’ on-line who love to spew hate, lies, and false accusations.
From CBS’s “For the Record”
“She went into the Senate not as a show horse but as a work horse,” said former Hillary Clinton press secretary Lisa Caputo.
Learning the Senate power structure, landing a coveted spot on the Senate Armed Services Committee, and reaching out to former Republican foes.
She teamed with Bill Frist on modernizing medical record – and with Tom DeLay on foster care. She teamed with Lindsay Graham, who had led the impeachment effort against her husband, on benefits for veterans. She worked with Newt Gingrich on health care policy.
“We were agreeing with each other so much, I think people were thinking: ‘the end is near!’” Clinton said about her collaboration with Gingrich.
“The most fascinating thing about Clinton in the Senate was to hear the conservative Republicans that had gone back home and often advanced their own political careers by using Hillary as the great whipping person,” said Norman Ornstein of the American Enterprise Institute, “going around saying privately and for some of them publicly, ‘wow what a nice person and what a terrific colleague.’”
Posted by: Lauren | March 10, 2008, 1:58 am 1:58 am
Obama lies and presents himself as something he is not. When instead of a speech he could vote, Obama Voted Against the withdrawal of troops and proposed legislation calling for a drawdown Only After he was running for president and polls showed voters favoring it.
Posted by: raul | March 10, 2008, 2:00 am 2:00 am
For all of you that think good things of Hillary, you need to check multiple sites that will inform you all the issues both her and Bill did. A number of murders are related to them, one a female that was taking him to court regarding sexual advances, (not Monica), about 45 people mysteriously died of gunshot wounds that were giving information about them to the courts. A number of Whitehouse employees moving to other countries, standing on the 5th. Having a Co-President is very illegal. Is That what you would want again? They would do whatever to be in the Whitehouse another 8 yrs. breaking alot of laws, lying, doing whatever it takes to get what they want.
If Hillary is really for the poor, why did they steal millions of dollars, feeling they need/want more money. She is a fake/lier/lazy/damaging to our country. She is one that got the businesses moving out of country (NAFTA), costing us millions of jobs and dollars.
I heard a female that has worked with Hillary for 35 yrs. on TV stating how lazy she is, how she told the Democrates to wreck the Whitehouse upon their leaving it, that she poured coffee down files, (what would she want to cover up), phone cords were cut, graffeti painted on a number of walls, a number of rooms had a lot of garbage in it, the letter w was removed from several (100?) computers. Damages cost triple diget,(thousands of dollars) to clean the Whitehouse.
Who/what kind of person would want that back in our Whitehouse? It isn’t the media that is giving her the reputation, the Clinton’s have earned that all by themselfs.
Pictures of the President and Vice President is normally hung in a number of places in the Whitehouse, not with them, the pictures were of the Clinton’s not the vice-President. Clinton lovers need to really accept them for the people they are. Not the lies they have been telling us.
What has Hillary accomplished that gives her the experience to be the best canidate. Just living in the Whitehouse doesn’t give her experience. The health care project Bill gave her she couldn’t accomplish getting that approved.
Obama is a Born Again Christian. He will be one that will be able to turn this country around, working with the general public to get things changed. He will not be giving money to the richest people and keeping some himself. He is one that is dedicated to help the poor, including the homeless, with no home, medical, money etc. What would Hillary do? He is also going to help the veterans get the medical care, needing not driving hundreds of miles/hours away from home, waiting weeks, months, yrs. for medical care. He has lived in a number of countries, and knows how to communicate with them, he will be the best one to serve our country. I want someone that is caring, giving, intelligent, honest, hard worker, a good speaker, a good communicator, and one that knows how to do planning to accomplish getting things done. Obama is the one that has gotten thousands of people in every state to vote that never voted, gave up voting (I’m one of them) to vote again.
Obama has 20 yrs. experience.
Voters Please Think Hard, do research on the canidates before voting.
Posted by: Sharon | March 10, 2008, 2:07 am 2:07 am
Lauren… I read accounts of people who have personally had dealings with Hillary and I have read lots of them and have accumulated tons of information. They aren’t all lies! These come from too many different people, including people I personally know.
Hillary has been claiming that she is vetted”. So you can’t criticize us for doing our own research and having an opinion of her that doesn’t happen to agree with yours.
BTW, did you read the article in the UK Telegraph where a Nobel prize winner involved in the Irish peace process says Hillary’s claims of her involvement are “silly” and overstated? Hillary invites this scrutiny by telling the lies.
Posted by: SuziQ | March 10, 2008, 2:21 am 2:21 am
Sharon,
Those things you are listing and believing about the Clintons are lies.
The Clintons have never been found of ANY WRONGDOING.
It’s really scary that people believe in that crap.
All that in your post about the Clintons are lies and crap.
Especially the murder lies – they are so incredibly false and insane.
People die everyday of different causes, and guess what – the Clintons aren’t murdering all of them.
Posted by: Lauren | March 10, 2008, 2:21 am 2:21 am
Ok SuzieQ -
One last post from me tonight and I have to go.
Let’s be logical, shall we?
Which do you think is more likely to be true and accurate: information from Hillary’s opponents, or from people who know her well – not people who’ve had so-called “dealings” with her.
Plus, there are critics who love to write controverisal books that they think will make them lots of money.
They are often the truly greedy, slanted, jealous, petty ones, part of the often-skewed “sensationalist-journalistic” tabloid press.
You sound very paranoid about her.
You sound determined to focus on every little negative thing you have ever heard about her.
I will have to look up all the quotes about the Irish peace talks – but I am sure it makes sense if you look at the quotes in context.
She probably just said she participated in them, which is true.
Goodnight ~
Posted by: Lauren | March 10, 2008, 2:31 am 2:31 am
Clintons never found guilty of any wrong doing?
Errrr….how about perjury for which Bill lost his license to practice law?
Plus all the things that were outright wrong, un=presidential behavior – like pardoning Marc Rich – that weren’t technically a crime.
Posted by: SuziQ | March 10, 2008, 2:39 am 2:39 am
Last, last post:
Your priorities are all messed-up. The first Clinton administration was the most successful and accomplished Democratic Administration we have ever had.
They truly delivered and brought hope, and change to our country.
I have spoken with many seniors who say it was the best they witnessed in their lifetimes.
They are incredibly intelligent, hard-working, compassionate, dedicated, people.
That is what is truly important.
Their personal marital affairs should have always been only their business.
Barack has already shown really bad judgement and made mistakes – like by having Rezko do him the favor of helping him buy his house when he knew Rezko was under investigation for fraud, extortion, money laundering, etc.
So people make mistakes, politics and life can be complicated sometimes.
Focus on what’s most important to our country, and not every little mistake.
Goodnight really this time ~
Posted by: Lauren | March 10, 2008, 2:51 am 2:51 am
“Look, you people can believe all the lies (about Clintons) you want … ”
Right, everything negative about Clinton is a lie, according to Clintons. But, he can also lie to grand jury. Well, that takes a lot of guts and calculation. Of course, it also means huge damage to the party that protected them: DEMOCRATS.
Looking back, I think many democrats start to realize there could be some truth in the provocative (and nasty) statements made by right-wing repulicans (those that we democrats disagree on every single sentence) about Clintons.
Clintons are just plain cancerous to democratic party. They always believe they are above the law. They have no respect to the rules.
Many Obama supporters will admit that their candidate is not perfect. His color is a bit dark which may give some people a bit excuse not to vote for him. He has a funy name. He gives extremely good speech. He inspires people. He does not play negative politics. And, he is sometimes a bit naive for not attacking Clintons.
Other than these, he is just by far a lot cleaner than Clintons (although it does not look that from their skin colors).
Posted by: catiger | March 10, 2008, 3:38 am 3:38 am
“Your priorities are all messed-up. The first Clinton administration …” well, to economists, their roles are extremely limited. They are the beneficiries of the end of cold war (reduced military spending) and technology advancement (internet).
Repulicans can point to their agenda for the accomplishment too. The first item on the “contract with America”, is “balance budget”.
However, Bill Clinton did inflict a lot of damage to democrats. Do you know why congress lost to repulicans in 1994? It was Hillary’s failed health care reform.
After that, Bill Clinton essentially abondoned democrats. At the strongest opposition of most democrats, he teamed up with Repulicans and passed NAFTA. This almost assured declining of democrats.
I can go on and on …
These are just politics. I have not added the cost that democrats have paid to protect them scandals after scandals. His administration is the most scandalous administration in the entire US history.
GWB made a lot of fatal mistakes. But his ethics and his administration is almost scandal-free, so far (although some may argue differently). At least, there is nothing related directly to Bush or Laura. I feel this is a positive thing and I would like to keep it that way. Boy, what a contrast …
Posted by: catiger | March 10, 2008, 3:51 am 3:51 am
Obama is a product of mediahype and nothing more. He is the Golden Boy of Ophra and the darling of the press. This Rezko trial has tainted his Mr. Clean image and his double talk Nafta made him a sly politician. Now comes the his paln for Iraq war with this Smamntha Power loud mouth interview, he is again caught. He is now trouble on whether to fight dirty since he is campiagning for clean piolitics ( jus wondering how he runhis candidacy in Chicago with Rezko as his supporters for 17 years) or just play a lamb and give his left cheek instead. He wants to let the media take more easy on him by not posting his picture with Rezko because people might have an intelligent discenment on who he is. He wants to stay the darling of the press and the messiah of change. Please people in the nedia listen to his prayers so he can win the superdelagates and become a nominee. Please voters for Mississippi, Pensylvania, North Carolina..” please . listen to my speeches once more” he prayed every day. He wants to punch Hillary down because she is so tough he can not beat her in Ohio and Texas. He wants also to beat up the poeple who leak the memo and Power for her loud mouth that to put him to shame, having as adviser who is a loud mouth whne they are supposed to be belong to a camp of gentle and good people.. Obama wants to unite the Blacks and divide the White. He wants to unite the radicals and conservatives for his vision of peace. Please understand his predicament now because he is agitating within himself if he is capable to become a leader because Hillary with all her outspoken words always remind him of his only speech in 2002 when he has delivered more speeches and copied more words. He is exposed now and afraid that he will burn to his fire he created and beated up by a tough woman who derails his goals. He prayed that this woman should not be his VP because it is premature.. and he is counting that Hillary will lose in the next primary.
Posted by: ds | March 10, 2008, 8:27 am 8:27 am
If Hillary wins the nomination, I won’t be staying home. I’ll be going to the polls to happily vote McCain.
Posted by: Jim, Green Bay | March 10, 2008, 9:41 am 9:41 am
This whole Obama thing makes me sick. Why would anyone in their right mind vote for him. He is a junior senator. He goes to a church that puts Africa before the USA and the black race before the human race. He and wife both hate America. What are people thinking. I will never, ever, ever vote for him. I will vote John McCain if he is the nominee. At least John McCain loves and wants to protect America.
Posted by: Carol | March 10, 2008, 9:58 am 9:58 am
What if Obama wins the Democratic nominations and loses to McCain? I can definitely see that as a possibility.
I bet most of the Obamatons would blame the Clintons. I think the Democratic party is facing a real possibility of losing in Nov 08.
Be real, don’t fall in the GOP trap…pick the right candidate. Make-up your own minds and vote for the person you feel is qualified for the position.
Don’t pick someone because the media says they’ll win, or lose. Remember, the same media said Hillary was going to walk through the nomination process? Be grown-ups with reasoning capabilities not sheeps with stary eyes.
Dems risk losing again to the GOP, but this time, it’ll be because of their gullibility to fancy political rhetoric, and media hype!!! Don’t Believe the HYPE….
Posted by: Collins Sigala | March 10, 2008, 11:58 am 11:58 am
If Clinton steals the primary and is on the ticket come November I hope Nader has a good message – he just may be getting my vote. I am an Independent that the Democrats had in their palm of their hand, but Clinton in the past week has made me sour and questioning the whole DNC – they can’t seem to control the Clinton Machine – the Machine will control the DNC to destruction in 08 (my prediction)
Posted by: Mary | March 10, 2008, 1:34 pm 1:34 pm
I understand there is a rule in the military that says first man in is first man out.
When the VC offered McCain release from prison he refused because he would be cutting in line since he wasn’t the first man captured. That’s the man I’m votiing for.
Compare this to Hillary trying to do ANYTHING, absolutely anything to get her way – actually, there’s no comparison between the two.
Posted by: SuziQ | March 10, 2008, 3:09 pm 3:09 pm
Hillary Clinton lies, cheats, and plays dirty. She has “brazened out” more scandals than anyone I am aware of in the history of this country. Is that the experience she wants to bring to the White House? She wants to claim victories in Florida and Michigan….let’s call her what she is: a cheater! If Obama had done the same thing, she would be on a rant about it. By trying to overturn the agreement she signed on to, she is making the party look bad once again. She is willing to give the impression that Democrats are disenfranchising people. I’m sure that will come back to haunt the Democratic nominee whomever it may be. She has been campaigning for John McCain, and it’s certainly helped him in the polls.
I think this nation should start choosing candidates based not upon the color of their skin or their gender, but on their character. Hillary wouldn’t qualify as a dogcatcher if character were a criterion.
She might be able to henpeck Bill, but I sure don’t want her sending me to MY room without supper. How can anyone watch her shaking her finger at anyone else and saying, “Shame on YOU…” when she’s never shown any shame for her own or her husband’s perfidy and shady dealings. They both pretend they are “just like us common folk,” but they actually consider themselves superior…They think they’re smarter than the rest of us, and that we’re all too dumb to see through their act.
Hillary is pure, unadulterated (well, she was actually adulterated a few times)ambition. She thinks it’s her “turn,” and that she’s “owed” this nomination. Several years ago I heard she was considering Alan Page (former Minnesota Viking, currently on the Minnesota Supreme Court) as her running mate. At the time, I thought she was way too full of herself. Now I realize that she’s full of much, much more than herself. She’s full of rage, vengeance, and hatred…..and she’s going to run over anyone that gets in her way.
I’m very sad that Barack Obama,someone with the stature, dignity, and maturity that Hillary Clinton lacks, has been dragged down by the typical Clinton dirty tactics. Meanwhile, it looks like the American electorate is as dumb as the Clintons think we are. She’s succeeded in fooling so many of the people so much of the time. Is it any wonder that she thinks no one can stop her from stopping a nothing?
Nancy Pelosi, Howard Dean, Al Gore, John Edwards…..I beseech you and any other Democrats of stature who might be able to stop this runaway train, DO something. Do it soon.
Posted by: Ginger | March 19, 2008, 3:03 pm 3:03 pm