By Lee Speigel

Mar 22, 2008 3:08pm

It’s Not Over…

ABC News’ Kate Snow and Eloise Harper report:  It’s not over.

That’s the message out of the Clinton campaign today.

On a conference call with reporters Saturday, campaign aides responded to an article posted on politico.com that states that “Hillary Rodham Clinton has virtually no chance of winning” the nomination.

The article also quotes an anonymous “important Clinton adviser” as saying privately that Clinton has no more than a ten percent chance of winning her race against Barack Obama.

“Sen. Clinton has been counted out many times in this campaign,” said communications director Howard Wolfson.  “The press has on several occasions decided the campaign was over, Sen. Clinton was through.  And each time voters decided … the campaign was not over.”

Wolfson said he had no idea who the unnamed “important Clinton advisor” was, but said that the ten percent comment did not reflect sentiment within the campaign.

“There are ten states yet to come. We have millions more Americans who are going to weigh in and express their preferences,” he said.

Wolfson argued that Clinton would do well in Pennsylvania and emerge from a victory there with momentum going into the remaining contests.  He said strong online fundraising was proof that Clinton’s supporters “do not want this race to end.”

“Obviously, we have to do well,” he said.  “There’s no question about that.”

He also said that one of the reasons the Obama campaign has reacted with negative attacks since losing in Texas and Ohio was because “they expected it to be over on March 5th and were stunned” when it wasn’t.

“If they thought this race was over, they wouldn’t be excoriating Sen. Clinton daily in personal terms,” Wolfson added.

Indeed, much of the conference call was devoted to scolding the Obama campaign for being negative.

It’s not that the Clinton campaign is claiming they haven’t been negative in their attacks on Obama.  They seemed to concede that they, too, have launched negative attacks.  But they contend that Obama promised his supporters something different, a better kind of politics, and in their view, he isn’t keeping his word.

Specifically, the Clinton campaign is complaining about a conference call the Obama campaign held on Friday in which they charged that Clinton is untrustworthy and has a “character gap” and a “perceived honesty gap.”

“I would invite the Obama campaign to play the tape of their call yesterday at all of their rallies in which Sen. Obama comes out and talks to his supporters about the need to change the tone in our politics and the need to elevate the discussion in our politics,” Wolfson said. “I think their supporters would be very surprised that this is the kind of campaign they’re running.”

Senator and President Clinton have both taken a short break from the campaign trail this weekend.  Neither will be campaigning today or tomorrow.

“She is, I’m sure, gonna be on the phone with staff today,” said Wolfson.  “I doubt she’ll do a lot of that tomorrow. But she’s primarily taking a couple of days around the Easter holiday down with her family.”

Following her mother’s victories in Ohio and Texas earlier this month, Chelsea Clinton took a break from the trail, as well, and has been catching up at work at her hedge fund job in New York City.

User Comments

Per the DNC rules, pledged delegates are not bound to the electorate. They can change their vote at the national convention. While the number of thme that have changed in the past elections has been small, this race is so close and unpredictable that it will matter. The superdelegates may not be the one to tip the election to Clinton. The pledged delegates can do it also. Currently Obama’s projected lead is 3.5% of the pledged delegates. It wont take many to change that. Voters need to realize the media sites are simply projecting a best guess and their margin of errors are greater than the margin of the projected lead. The race is not over by a longshot.
Remember when Obama said if he can get within 100 delegates, he has a shot? This is what his strategists in his camp were referring to. Clinton knows this is true also. Both camps have admitted that both of them will be going after pledged delegates (not just superdelegates) at the convention. There will be a lot more dirt known to the public by August.
I am seeing information about Obama coming out regarding stock purchases in a company that benefitted from his legislation, supposedly he got caught campaigning in his Senate office (federal offense), the outcome of the Rezko trial is not known yet and he has an advisor at the trial every day, and now a company headed up by one of his advisors employed the people who illegally peaked at passport records? Oh yeah… lots more to come! The accusations against Clinton that prompted the lawsuit on her schedules have been shown without merit now that the schedules were released. I suspect other accusations will also be shown without merit.
But in Obama’s case, he has consistently denied, lied, then admitted to lying while trying to turn the attention off of him. His judgment is being questioned on many fronts and his credibility continues its dive downward. The race is not over, stay with it Hillary!!!!!!!!

Posted by: DCVoter | March 22, 2008, 3:19 pm 3:19 pm

Funny how the Clinton campaign has to keep saying it is not over yet.
Polical speak translation…… IT’s Over

Posted by: Thinking | March 22, 2008, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm

Hillary’s camp actually compared Bill Richardson to Judas. That tells me the Clinton people think they are in a Holy war. There is not going to be a pretty end to this. Hillary is going to take the whole Democratic party down with her…and she doesn’t care. Do we really want this woman running our country?

Posted by: Janet | March 22, 2008, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm

CG – I am being realistic about the rules/delegates/superdelegates and how they have been applied historically in democratic nomination races. Bargaining doesnt even enter into the picture. The facts are as posted. This is going to the floor unless one of them withdraws from the race which is not likely. I think it is great because that is the way it should be. National conventions should not just be a gathering for speechmakers and party goers.

Posted by: DCVoter | March 22, 2008, 3:30 pm 3:30 pm

No, it shouldn’t be over either. I hope all campaigns take a day off tomorrow, I think the whole country needs a day off to really digest what has happened over the last week without new spin to divert from some very important concerns. Happy Easter everyone!

Posted by: DWC | March 22, 2008, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm

Experts analyzing Obama’s proposals agree that his plan for funding (admitted by him as tax increases) will double personal and capital gains taxes. If the Congress would be stupid enough (which I doubt) to implement his proposals, it would plunge us into an economic depression. Luckily Congress would block that but this would mean he would not be able to get anything done unless he implements Clinton’s plans… oh wait… he already has been caught when his advisors told others that he would not implement anything as proposed in the campaign. He parrots her in every debate and on his website so why should that surprise us? he cant talk about the issues because he is not competent to talk about them and agrees that Clinton has the best plans. So what are we the voters left with to judge them? Voting records, resumes, judgment, credibility, and patriotism.

Posted by: DCVoter | March 22, 2008, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm

freedom20082009,
Please. It is common knowledge that the other group, Stanley Inc. Has ties to the Clinton Orginazation.
It is a non issue

Posted by: Thinking | March 22, 2008, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm

Believe me…..it’s over…….we are very, very weary of Hilary….GO AWAY!

Posted by: MICHAELINPHILLY | March 22, 2008, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm

Democrats should watch what they wish for, they’re liable to get it and in November wonder what happened. Obama is guaranteeing a McCain victory. I can’t believe that the democrats are going to blow it and keep the white house republican. Damn, what a bunch of idiots.

Posted by: JR | March 22, 2008, 3:59 pm 3:59 pm

Of course they are going to say it’s not over yet. They need to keep pople coming to the polls so they can get as many votes as possible in the remaining primaries. They know they can’t beat Obama on actual votes, but they need to have some kind of “momentum” to plead the case the the people’s vote should be ignored.

Posted by: jock59801 | March 22, 2008, 3:59 pm 3:59 pm

UNLESS THEY INTEND TO COME UP WITH ANOTHER DIRTY STRATEGY (INCLUDING, FURTHER SPLITTING THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY), THE HILARY CAMP SHOULD START PACKING UP. IT IS TIME FOR A WHOLE NEW VOICE AND A WHOLE NEW WAY OF RESTORING AMERICA’S GLORY AND PRESTIGE.

Posted by: Dave | March 22, 2008, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm

And an Obama advisor is responsible for the passport breech after he tried to blame Clinton.
And they got caught.

Posted by: s.b. | March 22, 2008, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm

Hillary is a fighter and I am damn proud of her. B.O. is an embarassment to our counrty, he talks out of both sides of his mouth. He needs to focus on the issues, counting all the votes everywhere. You don’t count all the votes he is anti-american. Is he WRIGHT?

Posted by: D | March 22, 2008, 4:01 pm 4:01 pm

sorry meant to say didnt spend their time in texas down south,,

Posted by: ATYPICALWHITEWOMAN | March 22, 2008, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm

everytime there is an article about obama or hillary they are here somepeoples you may think they dont sleep and they are just waiting to bring their negative comments,for today im done i dont know where you guys are from,but its sad that you are americans

Posted by: johnny | March 22, 2008, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm

Hate to tell you DCV, or was it Matt in Ohio — sometimes can’t tell you apart.
For Clinton Campaign, Euphoria=Denial!!
Like getting pain meds before an execution!!!

Posted by: Jackt51 | March 22, 2008, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm

The Clinton machine will do anything and I mean ANYTHING to win this nomination even if it means destroying the Democratic party.
I was a Clinton supporter for months but no there is no way I would now vote for such a vile candiate. It’s over for her but still she’s in disbelief.

Posted by: Jack | March 22, 2008, 4:06 pm 4:06 pm

Hilliary is hoping to do so well that superdelegates are forced to vote her in do to Obama being unelectable. If Obama runs, McCain will probably beat him at this point. Obama and his Bud Rezkos scam are yet to be fully vetted. Wait till they start showing pictures of those poor blacks that froze for months and then had the public housing completely condemned just Obama could buy his dream mansion with Rezkos help. Yikes.

Posted by: creature4444 | March 22, 2008, 4:09 pm 4:09 pm

……If Obama wins I can honestly say we are facing some new kind of communism …..there is something about all of that hatred that makes me feel like this man does not have our best interest in mind…..

Posted by: Jesse James | March 22, 2008, 4:13 pm 4:13 pm

Go Hillary, take it to the floor! Don’t let the party traitors faze you. They will be sorry because now they have to worry about their own jobs for betraying the party base.

Posted by: Jacko | March 22, 2008, 4:15 pm 4:15 pm

McCain is a very moderate Republican, and many dems hate Obama. If Obama gets the nomination, many will jump over the republican side this year.

Posted by: creature4444 | March 22, 2008, 4:15 pm 4:15 pm

Oh it’s over LOL BUT Penn and Wolfson don’t want that BIG paycheck to go away any sooner than it will so they keep telling HIllary what she wants to hear….and since she stays away from the internet her information comes via those 2. So keep on sending money to the Clinton machine I am sure those 2 appreciate it. As for what happens to what is left of Clintons reputation when this is over? Maybe then someone who cares will have the decency to tell her.
The math just is not there for her and the Super Delegates are not going to go against the popular vote which she can no longer obtain.
With her papers coming out from her time in the WH and the facts differing greatly regarding her experience, her stand on NAFTA not standing up to the light of day and now her tax returns for the last 8 years are due in a couple of weeks…and trust me those won’t be pretty…there was a reason she waited as long as she could to make those public…..it ain’t happening but with the tempers both Clintons have, and any one who goes against them is now a judus, no one wants to tell her..and those who should be responsible? Penn and Wolfson are making toooooo much money to pull the chain and stop the train wreck.

Posted by: Brian | March 22, 2008, 4:16 pm 4:16 pm

Just how exactly does a mandated (as in if you don’t pay you go to JAIL) health care plan that directs what care you can and can NOT get (think HMO’s on steroids) on top of a war with Afghanistan, Iraq and IRAN, plus a new carbon tax, that taxes YOU and NOT big government subsidised corporate polluters (Not to mention China, India and all the other rapidly developing third world countries) supposed to be paid for with our crippling economy??? Any takers you big government DemoRepublicans??? Should we just print up some more money and cause more inflation? How about some more tax breaks for big corporations so they can offshore even more jobs overseas? Do you really think that anybody who was willing to change course in any meaningful way would be allowed to get this far? Then WHAT THE HELL are you arguing about. What’s tribalism worth to you when your economic welfare is being collapsed around you. The next president will not matter and undoubtedly will not last but one term. Why these morons want to be holding the bag when we collapse speaks more to their ego than their empty pledges of public service. Why the hell would you spend 100 million dollars to get a job that pays 100 thousand. Just think about that for a while. It sure as hell isn’t to “effect change.”

Posted by: cba | March 22, 2008, 4:16 pm 4:16 pm

Hillary has every right to stay in the race. If Obama’s candidacy implodes, with or without her help, she’ll be on hand to pick up the pieces. There will be more twists and turns before the race is settled by the superdelegates, probably some time in June.

Posted by: lois | March 22, 2008, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm

This is all so petty. She lost the end. She’s only holding on because 1/10 odds to be president is still better than 0. And there are no leaders with clout to tell her to quit. She’s married to the only person who had the clout.
I think we should just play along with Clinton, but basically ignore her. Obama has won.

Posted by: Right on Day1 | March 22, 2008, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm

Why is no one telling Hussein that this is not over. The only way he will get 2025 is if Clinton drops out and the chance of that happening is nil.
So, Obamanians, do not count us out of this fight. Again, remember if Hussein is nominated, 50% of Hillary supporters will vote for the real American hero, John McCain.

Posted by: Jenny | March 22, 2008, 4:18 pm 4:18 pm

its not over by any means – obama
delegates are moving to Hillary as we
speak!

Posted by: bob | March 22, 2008, 4:18 pm 4:18 pm

People today is a very big day to continue fighting and saying bad things. It is one day before (Easter)I believe we should all tell obama and hillary to have a rest and a great Easter. May God forgive all of you for all the nesty remarks including me. Amen!

Posted by: gloria | March 22, 2008, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm

Not 1 delegate has gone from Obama to Hillary though 60 have gone from Hillary to Obama…those are the facts..try to get it right if your going to try to play with the adults.

Posted by: Brian | March 22, 2008, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm

Oh it’s over LOL BUT Penn and Wolfson don’t want that BIG paycheck to go away any sooner than it will so they keep telling HIllary what she wants to hear….and since she stays away from the internet her information comes via those 2. So keep on sending money to the Clinton machine I am sure those 2 appreciate it. As for what happens to what is left of Clintons reputation when this is over? Maybe then someone who cares will have the decency to tell her.
The math just is not there for her and the Super Delegates are not going to go against the popular vote which she can no longer obtain.
With her papers coming out from her time in the WH and the facts differing greatly regarding her experience, her stand on NAFTA not standing up to the light of day and now her tax returns for the last 8 years are due in a couple of weeks…and trust me those won’t be pretty…there was a reason she waited as long as she could to make those public…..it ain’t happening but with the tempers both Clintons have, and any one who goes against them is now a judus, no one wants to tell her..and those who should be responsible? Penn and Wolfson are making toooooo much money to pull the chain and stop the train wreck.

Posted by: Brian | March 22, 2008, 4:20 pm 4:20 pm

Right the Obama people are going to sit and let the Clinton machine run over them and run their mouths and spout lies and sit and take it? Get a life.

Posted by: Brian | March 22, 2008, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm

THANK GOD I DON’T VOTE UNTIL MAY (NC).
Had I already voted, I would be devastated! Until I learned the truth about Obama, I thought he might be a stand-up guy. The recent controversy with Obama’s lies and America learning of his 20-year relationship with his mentor, radical anti-American, Jeremiah Wright, could provide some SUPER-DELEGATES with a justification for “disregarding the will of the people”: THE PEOPLE WHO VOTED IN JANUARY AND FEBRUARY DIDN’T KNOW ABOUT OBAMA’S LIABILITIES. I don’t think you can associate with anyone for 20 years and not be affected by his views and his sermons.
Obama lied about Pastor Wright, Farrakhan, the NAFTA Meeting, Exelon, Tony Rezko and William Ayers. What else is he hiding? He only told the truth AFTER he was caught.
If Hillary wins more pledged delegates and more popular votes from here until the convention but does not fully make up her pledged-delegate deficit (a very likely outcome), she can argue that the liability of Wright makes Obama unacceptable and that voters have shown that. It’s a shame two states will not be counted. Actually, it’s disgraceful! Hopefully, Obama’s lies won’t divide our country! He has already divided the Democratic Party. Hillary is the better candidate.

Posted by: 1proudamerican | March 22, 2008, 4:24 pm 4:24 pm

My stomach hurls when I hear Hillary speak. I abhore her and her husband and the Democrat Party.
But she will win the Dem nod. Barack`s days are numbered, not Hillary`s.

Posted by: Dave | March 22, 2008, 4:24 pm 4:24 pm

hey brian and jack51 denial is not a river in africa its you people thnking he can win in november,grow up look at the state polls and realize that with him we lose ohio minn and probably mass. so tell me how you win the presidency.

Posted by: don tufts | March 22, 2008, 4:28 pm 4:28 pm

Hillary will prevail. The problem is the news media that has been one-sided. She is not far behind from Obama, and, let’s face it! If it it wasn’t 90% of black support that Obama enjoys for his skin color, Hillary should have been ahead of him. Hillary does not get 90% of support from women nor whites. That’s a strange to see in a democratic country like this, but that’s the face. Who says there is no racial sentiment in this campaign? That person ought be out of mind or simply blind to the fact, that black support is one of main driver of Obama’s campaign. No matter how crafty his campaign is to conceal that fact under such a beautiful rhetoric, you cannot deny the fact. Like, in those countries under development, American election seems to be driven by the news media rather than the candidates. It seems that the new media picked Obama for some reason for their own interests, and keep pushing him to be their candidate. Have you noticed how many many many more times Obama’s face shows up on their news coverage than Clinton’s? That itself is an unfair campaign and I think such unfair news coverage should be legally banned and punished. The news media should be mandated to cover both camps view on equal footage. Unfortunately, the stupid general public seems to be brainwashed by all these news media, especially CNN and Politico. Not sure if they were paid by Obama campaign, or received some promise to get a preferential treatment of some sort when Obama is eleceted as the President. Let’s be wise and depend on our own judgment rather than paying attention to those biased and pre-calculated remarks and coverage from those news media.

Posted by: david | March 22, 2008, 4:30 pm 4:30 pm

I don’t know how anyone can predict who will be the nominee since it’s going to be up to the Super Delegets. And it’s not Obama who has split the party. Hillary has a hand in it too. Regardless I will vote for either one since I don’t want a Republican in the white house again

Posted by: maryland | March 22, 2008, 4:30 pm 4:30 pm

i wonder if it has occured to B.O supporters that more than half of this country is keeping Hillary in the race because we believe in her judgement and morals. No body is perfect and she is doing what every other American has the right to do — pursue her dream. and for those Americans that like to bring up a personal marital matter that should be between husband and wife, you shouldnt be quick to cast stones because you are only scratching a healed wound hoping for an infection. each candidate should be judged on their morals and their passions to make the American dream for each of us closer to reality.

Posted by: American Dream | March 22, 2008, 4:32 pm 4:32 pm

obama is a liar/ a hypocrite
and arrogant and a world class
manipulator. PLeeeeeeeeeeez wake up America
- its our children and grandchildren we are talking about!

Posted by: bob | March 22, 2008, 4:33 pm 4:33 pm

jACKT51: hatred… racism… communism… twisted LIES and utter nonsense. You hit it dead on for the perfect description of Obama!!
He’ll never get elected! The delegates are VERY aware of this. They are charged with selecting an ELECTABLE candidate. Obama’s church is in DIRECT conflict with the goals of the Democratic party “Democrats are unwavering in our support of equal opportunity for all Americans.” Obama is TOAST….

Posted by: barbie13607 | March 22, 2008, 4:34 pm 4:34 pm

Obama brought this on himself. He totally lost all credibility with his ‘denial’ of knowledge of Wright’s radical rants. He listened to Wright’s remarks for 20 years and then lied about it to the American people. He only admitted it AFTER he got caught.
He has ties to too many shady characters (and terrorists). I remember 9-11—do you? I no longer trust or believe him.
I can’t believe the DNC will not accept the votes of ALL Americans (Florida and Michigan). This is disgraceful!
Obama had divided the DNC and many delegates are going along with it. Call your members of Congress. Call your State Senators TODAY!

Posted by: 1proudamerican | March 22, 2008, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm

I published an article in a hispanic newspaper in Texas calling Bill Richardson: Judas. I can’t even vote but hispanics take things personal. We have our way. Sad, that Bill Richardson was a fake. My next article will be Maria Magdalene: Michele Obama.

Posted by: Jorge Mendoza | March 22, 2008, 4:37 pm 4:37 pm

“”It’s not that the Clinton campaign is claiming they haven’t been negative in their attacks on Obama. They seemed to concede that they, too, have launched negative attacks. But they contend that Obama promised his supporters something different, a better kind of politics, and in their view, he isn’t keeping his word.”"
Why should he keep to his word if he is being attacked? Sure, it’s always good to have a good intelligent and geniune and positive campaign. But, it is suicide and STUPID to do so if you are being attacked and losing. Her campaign should know better. Why should he be held to a standard that would allow her to BEAT him? Please! That doesn’t even make sense. At this point, I would rather vote for GWB to stay in the WH for another 8 years than vote for her.

Posted by: Cathy | March 22, 2008, 4:37 pm 4:37 pm

Well with all the fighting within the party I would say McCain has already won. Thanks a lot Democrats

Posted by: Sam | March 22, 2008, 4:38 pm 4:38 pm

Obama busted for the passport breach, Rezko fraud, Canadian memo, racism, MI and FL voter fraud, McCain public funding broken agreement, ties to violent racist groups, and…the worst is yet to come. Please, do not fall for his lies anymore. He’s tearing the DNC apart. McCain, pull the plug on this guy soon! Go Hillary!

Posted by: jeep395 | March 22, 2008, 4:39 pm 4:39 pm

SHE IS THE ONE !!!

Posted by: Mary Torino | March 22, 2008, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm

Obama supporter are quite to point the finger at Hilliary and her supporters every time somethings is said, lets see they say we are the elderly , uneducated, poor, and working class. they said they are the wealthy educated high dollar american, if that is the case, then what the heck are the blacks complaining about? since they seems to be the biggest supporter of Obama, and if is a fact that Hilliary is going to lose, why are they forever crying foul,,,,,,,,,,,

Posted by: ATYPICALWHITEWOMAN | March 22, 2008, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm

It’s so cute the way people try to convince themselves that McCain has any chance against either of these two.

Posted by: jock59801 | March 22, 2008, 4:42 pm 4:42 pm

It is over. Clinton cannot win. She is behind in every category — delegate count (which there’s NO way she can recover), popular vote, AND Fundraising. Furthermore, when Texas reports its verified results on March 29, we will see that Obama’s TX Caucus victory will put him AHEAD in Texas by 4-6 delegates in the final tally. OBAMA WON TEXAS. Clinton needs to drop out immediately so the party can unite behind Obama and take on McCain in a serious fashion.

Posted by: Eric | March 22, 2008, 4:42 pm 4:42 pm

Obama’s Camp will not let anyone say anything. They just don’t want people to have fact finding question. Obama offers no hope. Let’s do American way. Not Obama’s dirty way. I am young and a democrat.
Thanks.

Posted by: Zack | March 22, 2008, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm

By most accounts, the speech on race and diversity given by Barack Obama and Richardson’s support appears to have had little effect on changing public opinion. During a crafully prepared speech which was highly orchestrated and by invitation to mostly supporters and media representatives, Obama went to great length repeating reasons for his continued association and close friendship with his spiritual advisor Rev. Wright and his membership at Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago. Obama said the pastor introduced him to the Christian faith and continues to perform God’s work.
As far as most Americans are concerned, Obama is damaged goods!

Posted by: JenniferH | March 22, 2008, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm

Ophrah and Obama have made this campaigs a total disgrace with resentment, segregationism and division even for the Democratic party. Hillay Clinton is being favored by the polls and the superdelegates will favor her in a secret votes. If Obama wants to avoid the embarrassement, he should concede.

Posted by: JohnM | March 22, 2008, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm

Just as I thought, with charges of “McCarthyism, the Non-story of the Passport Breach (that may be nothing than mischief from their own campaign – all this on top of Obama’s refusal to distance himself from a racist, anti-american pastor, the Obama campaign is swiftly devolving into a “Not Ready for Prime time” event.

Posted by: s. valenti | March 22, 2008, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm

This election is clearly going to a wrong direction. “Change” seems to be the change for the black people. I’ve seen many times in the past, if a sectarian goverment comes in, majority of high officials will be replaced by the sect that holds the power. I don’t mind seeing black leaders, but only when they are genuinely qualified. But the truth of the matter is that the first criteria for those high offices will be by his/her skin color. Our country needs changes like any other countries, but any drastic changes will be harmful. If Obama goes into the W.H. by the backing of the black votes, well, wouldn’t it be natural consequence that he will have to pay back to them with something sweet, such as a lot of offices that he will have right to nominate its head? And then chain reaction will occur down through the hierachy. Recession will be a long one this time, if that happens, and you know why.

Posted by: david | March 22, 2008, 4:46 pm 4:46 pm

McCain will win because the independents will vote for him before they vote for Hillary. And the conservatives will also back him just like they did with Bush

Posted by: Sam | March 22, 2008, 4:46 pm 4:46 pm

Keep it up Clintons – keep excluding Barack and each time your racist statement improves the chances of Mclain getting into office and getting the black votes – if HIllary is selected.

Posted by: URETHA | March 22, 2008, 4:46 pm 4:46 pm

Yes, it is over with too. It was over:
1-When they first entered with a SEVERELY FLAWED STRATEGY
2-When she entered this contest with the strongest sense of entitlement I have EVER seen from anyone…a sense so
2-Conceded small states right from the beginning – very stupid…
3-When they and their surrogates
attacked him relentlessly.
4-When they constantly changed the rules of the game
6-Compared him to John McCain
7-Courted the Supers without regard
8-Constant complaining…pissing off the supers….and party elites,
9-When she decided to put her own ambition above that of the PARTY as if she and Bill are the Democratic Party. Ha!(this undoubtly is contributing to the swing towards Obama b/c party officials realize the Dem. party is MORE than Bill and Hillary Clinton)….these reasons and these reasons alone is the reason this race is over…..Those reasons are also the reason she WILL not win come Nov. Even if Obama were to step down and GIVE her the nomination gift wrapped, she STILL WOULD not win come Nov……There are other smaller reasons but those are the bigger reasons, she will not win. So, you Clinton people can take comfort in the fact that, while you won’t vote for him, she also will suffer as HUGE massive vote reduction – moreso than him in fact.
Ami

Posted by: Ami | March 22, 2008, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm

I’m a 3rd generation democrat and I will vote republican before I would let this Anti-American Obama in the White House.

Posted by: ATYPICAL PERSON | March 22, 2008, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm

Dear Janet if Clinton is that strong that she can destroy the Democratic Party, what exactly does that say about Obama?

Posted by: Beau_Reeves | March 22, 2008, 4:53 pm 4:53 pm

URETHA …. this is the silliest thing I can imagine: “Keep it up Clintons – keep excluding Barack and each time your racist statement improves the chances of Mclain getting into office and getting the black votes – if HIllary is selected
…. McCain is preferred by moderate and conservative Democrats, both black and white .. over NObama!!

Posted by: Elinda | March 22, 2008, 4:57 pm 4:57 pm

ATYPICAL PERSON: You’re right on!
Mee 2
FL Veteran (Iraq)

Posted by: FL_Vet | March 22, 2008, 4:57 pm 4:57 pm

I am a die-hard democrat and if Hillary Clinton is not the nominee, I will be voting for the Republican nominee in November. The End!

Posted by: Joe | March 22, 2008, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm

Hillary it’s not about the winning and the numbers it you that make it happen, don’t look at your numbers.

Posted by: Debbie | March 22, 2008, 5:01 pm 5:01 pm

The Polls say Hilliary is ahead of Obama, the DNC forced old time friend of Clintons to support Obama in hopes to get the Hispanic vote, to make up for the women vote he will not get,, shows keep showing Obama doing worst, so Obama camp comes out with some off the wall statement that means nothing ,and says it is racist, Polls show that Hilliary supporter indeed will not support Obama,{his fault right from the beginning he said that her supporter would support him but his would not her} Polls show his supporter will indeed support Hilliary, DNC leader hate Hilliary and has done every thing in their to deny her her shot,The DNC and obama camp has tried to spin every thing that comes of the clinton camp, {mostly Bill} in a unfavourable light, but the american people the common ever day working man and woman have stood up and demanded to be heard, and in doing so the DNC leaders and Obama have destroyed the very party they are members of, that is what happens when you fight against the people ==============

Posted by: ATYPICALWHITEWOMAN | March 22, 2008, 5:02 pm 5:02 pm

You guys crack me up. It’s like you’re throwing a temper tamtrum if your canidate isn’t the nominee. Maybe you should hold your breath too lol

Posted by: lulu | March 22, 2008, 5:02 pm 5:02 pm

hillary will win, she’s captured the swing votes from obama after disclosure of rev. wrights ‘GDA” sermon. if hillarys out mc-cain will take the nomination. a man w/o experience will not run a corporation, no more than the country. obama is ahead only because its a protest of the americans over the bush, fiasco. but when it comes down to the most experienced leader for the country, its either hillary or mc-cain. if it obama and mccain, mccain will take it.

Posted by: andy | March 22, 2008, 5:05 pm 5:05 pm

Presidential candidate: Hillary Clinton
Her running mate: Barack Obama (if he learns how to be humble himself)
we can’t afford to have a young unexperienced genious with a rhetoric major to run this country. Obama will be hated by many groups as his pastor hates most of whites and Jews. One wouldn’t be brainwahsed after listening to the same ‘god damn’ message over 20 years. If you don’t listen to the sermon to learn from it, why you ever attend the service and listen to it? Isn’t that itself a hypocratic thing to do? Why are you a Christian to begin with, if you don’t value God’s word spoken through the mouth of your pastor? Well, America, forget about Obama.’Audacity of Change’, which was inspried by his pastor (according to Obama himself) is for the change to elevate blacks not every Americans. What about Hispanics, Asians, .. Let’s offer Obama a ticket for a running mate, and fight against Republicans. (I’m sure Obama’s arrogance will not let him accept the offer, but we need to in order to have a united Democratic party, and a united States of a united people. )

Posted by: for-a-united-country | March 22, 2008, 5:07 pm 5:07 pm

This is what is great about being an American and living in the United States. We can all have our opinion and voice it on the internet, in the newspaper, on the radio, etc. Americans are going to vote for the candidate they like the best. i could care less what party afiliation my choice is a member of. Our country is in a bad state of affairs and it is going to take more than 1 person to get us on track. I live in NYS, am a registered republican, I am a WASP, and I am hoping I will get to vote for Obama in November. God bless America

Posted by: Tina | March 22, 2008, 5:09 pm 5:09 pm

None of this really matters. It is now coming out that the “idle curiosity” of those who spied on the passports found that Barack is technically an illegal alien and cannot assume the presidency. Pity, I rather liked the guy.

Posted by: Game Over | March 22, 2008, 5:10 pm 5:10 pm

Do party leaders really think we care if our governors are senators endorses someone. Do think we are going to follow behind them like sheep, we all have a mind and sure don’t need those people to think for us.we know they are crooks,and can be forced to do what every the party leaders want them to do,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Posted by: ATYPICALWHITEWOMAN | March 22, 2008, 5:11 pm 5:11 pm

Clinton is sexism and racism many time in her camps she has been trying to get benefits of white racial
bias , religion and female gender solidarity.
Two of Mrs Clinton’s closest associates from her years in Arkansas, Jim McDougal, her property partner,
and Webb Hubbell, her law-firm partner, were later convicted of felonies.
exactly what experience does she actually have of answering telephones at three in the morning?
Mrs Clinton did not even have security clearance in the White House, and her most important vote
in recent years, to authorise the Iraq war, is one that she admits she regrets.
I will be stupid to vote for her.

Posted by: kevin | March 22, 2008, 5:11 pm 5:11 pm

If Obama is running, I am voting McCain.

Posted by: creature4444 | March 22, 2008, 5:13 pm 5:13 pm

Two of Mrs Clinton’s closest associates from her years in Arkansas, Jim McDougal, her property partner,
and Webb Hubbell, her law-firm partner, were later convicted of felonies. +++++++++++that is like the pot calling the kettle black, need I remind you of Rezko, Louis Farrakhan,Al Sharpton, and the lists get bigger ever day,,,,,,,,

Posted by: ATYPICALWHITEWOMAN | March 22, 2008, 5:15 pm 5:15 pm

Hmmm…So we are going into an election with McCain with a candidate who won ONE big state which happened to be his own? And we expect to win? HA. What a joke. We are literally handing over the election to the Republicans. Senator Clinton has every right to stay in the race. She has large lead in the polls of WV and PA and if she over takes him in popular vote ( she is 100 thou less than him) and she has all the big states we would be foolish to hand the nomination to Obama. But then again…the DNC has been pretty foolish this year with all the voting controversy in FL and MI. If we loose the election, we will have beaten ourselves.

Posted by: Geneva | March 22, 2008, 5:15 pm 5:15 pm

The media is incredibly sexist, and continues to deliver one-sided news coverage. I agree with previous comments regarding the continuous display of Obama photos and stories, with relative absence of Clinton stories and photos of her rallies and appearances. I do believe that Americans have a much more difficult time with the idea of a woman president than a black president. The glass ceiling is no more evident than in the treatment of a female candidate for president. I do believe that Obama continues to be glamorized, and the playing field between the two, as a result, has not been equal. Do the comparisons yourself of internet and newspaper coverage. The lopsidedness is obvious. I think its also interesting that some of these “top level” male politicians are in the end, members of the ” good ole boys club.” I think they also have a hard time, admit it or not, with the idea of a female president.
It’s still amazing that these men still think it is more historic to have a black president than a woman president. Really, all you have to do is remember that women didnt get to vote until 1920. What is wrong with this picture?
I do think, however, that Obama has some very good qualites, but I continue to feel that Clinton is very much on top of all of the issues and ready to go. I think Obama needs a few more years of experience under his belt. In good time, he will be ready.

Posted by: Maxine Harriet | March 22, 2008, 5:16 pm 5:16 pm

For Freedom2008…
Update:
Just announced on CNN…both Obama and Hillary’s camps had someone affiliated with their campaigns, to breach the passport files.

Posted by: Barbara | March 22, 2008, 5:21 pm 5:21 pm

To the Hillary camp – when you continue to insult Obama and his supporters, to say the vote of youth is ignorant and therefore irrelevant, latte sipping professionals are irrelevant, that Obama is an example of affirmative action, that anybody who dares not support Hillary is a Judas, that Obama isn’t a Muslim as far as you know – you are building a legacy for Hillary Clinton. Despite her crack that voters have short memories, there might be some millions who don’t.

Posted by: citizenVoter | March 22, 2008, 5:22 pm 5:22 pm

In Hillary’s March 17th speech she said she ran under sniper fire to the vehicles in Tuzia, Bosnia on March 15, 1996.
She lied. She was greeted by a group of people including an eight year old girl on the tarmac.
What kind of mother would land under sniper fire with her 16 year old daughter?
But, it did not happen. There are pictures of that event. There is not
one reporting of Hillary being in any danger.
She lies about this. What else has she lied about?
Bush lied to get us into Iraq.
Where would Hillary’s lies take us, next?

Posted by: JB | March 22, 2008, 5:23 pm 5:23 pm

If Hillary does indeed lose the nomination, does that mean we won’t hear from the Clintons for awhile? Oh, happy days!!

Posted by: CelticOdyssey | March 22, 2008, 5:27 pm 5:27 pm

citizenvoter: Clinton is still in the race BECAUSE voters have short memories.

Posted by: malthusian77 | March 22, 2008, 5:28 pm 5:28 pm

Yes that is true, You will be Hearing Hello President McCain. glad to see you,see it was a landslide,,,,,,,,,,,congrats

Posted by: ATYPICALWHITEWOMAN | March 22, 2008, 5:29 pm 5:29 pm

“He (Wolfson) also said that one of the reasons the Obama campaign has reacted with negative attacks since losing in Texas and Ohio…” “Following her mother’s victories in Ohio and Texas earlier this month…”
Who won Texas in terms of number of delegates?

Posted by: kent | March 22, 2008, 5:30 pm 5:30 pm

So far, Clinton camp has run great. We do have a little bump along the way but that is normal. Recently when Americans start to look both candidates more carefully, they found many disturbing things on Obama. Let’s have a friendly debate and legitimate questions on each other. Let’s not misled by other camp. Let’s re-do the American economy as we did in 90s. Let’s offer the real works (not just talking like anyone else). I deeply appreciate Clinton’s great works for our country and our party. Thanks.

Posted by: Zack | March 22, 2008, 5:31 pm 5:31 pm

Who won Texas in terms of number of delegates?___________Well seeing how texas has not finished counting its counties yet that would be hard to say

Posted by: ATYPICALWHITEWOMAN | March 22, 2008, 5:31 pm 5:31 pm

Finding a statement on these comments that makes sense is like finding the City of Gold or the Fountain of Youth.
Clinton supporters call Obama a liar when HilLIARy blatantly lied about her support of NAFTA to pander to the voters of Ohio. After the White House logs came out HilLIARy was exposed as a liar.
All her supporters have is a couple of 15 second soundbites from Obama’s former preacher (NOT Obama) taken out of the full context of the sermon to cling to.
Then in a typical “take my ball and go home” fashion, the Clinton supporters say they’ll vote for McCain and another 4 years of Bushism in the White House. I guess it’s not very surprising since Bushes and Clintons are all tied into the same groups playing with the same money and whizzing on the same rights of honest Americans.

Posted by: Karl | March 22, 2008, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm

Let Hillary serve as a good senator. Let Obama unite the country. Let him fix the affirmative action and persuade people in it to find jobs and contribute to this nation. Let him show to the African American that racism exists among white, black, latinos and Asians and we need to do something about it.

Posted by: Al, San Francisco | March 22, 2008, 5:33 pm 5:33 pm

Keep going Hill if he wants it let him come and take it from you. That is the “typical American attitude” we are fighters to the finish.
No easy lay up and free pass for Obama, we are going down to the wire, nothing worthwhile in life comes easy.
If Obama wants this he has to work for it, so keep fighting all the way .

Posted by: SJ | March 22, 2008, 5:34 pm 5:34 pm

If everyone remembers, Ross Perot was supposed to be the Democratic Nominee when Bill Clinton won his first term. Perot self-destructed just like Obama is. Of course Perot wans’t a racist anti-American like Obama and his preacher, but it wasn’t any prettier than this is now. The delegeates can change their minds, the superdelegates are allowed to vote for whomever they want, whether King Obama likes it or not, and there are lawsuits pending about the votes in FL and MI. Another one was dismissed yesterday because the man filed the suit before the FL vote so the court ruled he filed it before he was actually injured, but the judge then sat there and instructed him as to how to amend the suit and refile it, which he said he is going to do. Hillary should fight this all the wasy to the convention, and if she turned around and ran as an Independent, I would vote for her before I would vote for Obama/Richardson. And another point about FL and MI. Many people do not realise how the issue is more than just getting some delegates for Hillary. The denial of their right to vote will set a precedent. This will be able to be used in any further election, whenever it suits the DNC to deny anyone the right to be heard. So, just remember that in the future. If it is successful this time, who knows, maybe in 2012, Iowa or California or someone will tick Dean or whoever off, and they will be the ones denied.

Posted by: Melanie | March 22, 2008, 5:36 pm 5:36 pm

Sen. Clinton likes to talk about do-over elections. “The only do-over election we might want to consider is in Ohio, since Sen. Clinton misled the voters in Ohio about her support of NAFTA.

Posted by: farq haig | March 22, 2008, 5:36 pm 5:36 pm

Somebody should tell Wolfson that
Hillary didn’t win Texas, Obama did!
He emerged with more delegates from the primary and the caucus!
Therefore he Won Texas, she Lost!

Posted by: reaganfan | March 22, 2008, 5:36 pm 5:36 pm

“Let him come and take it from you.”????
Why HilLiary feels that she was entitled to the Democratic ticket is beyond me. She’s got less legislative experience than Obama. She’s not even from New York…she just moved their and used her husband’s name to get elected in the most Democratic candidate-friendly senate district in the world, and acts like she’s earned anything. Entitlement is over.

Posted by: Karl | March 22, 2008, 5:37 pm 5:37 pm

Obama still has to beat her and until such time the race continue so all you Obama supporters stop your belly aching, we going state after state, he wants it he has to earn it.

Posted by: SJ | March 22, 2008, 5:37 pm 5:37 pm

Shame on Obama for his negative ads. He can’t win on his own merits and record, so he’s trying to trip the competition instead. He’s the Tonya Harding of politics. I’m a registered Democrat, and if Obama gets the nomination, I’m voting for McCain.

Posted by: Scott | March 22, 2008, 5:40 pm 5:40 pm

Wolfson said he had no idea who the unnamed “important Clinton advisor” was, but said that the ten percent comment did not reflect sentiment within the campaign.
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Probably more like 0.001%.

Posted by: Bob, DC | March 22, 2008, 5:41 pm 5:41 pm

Melanie: What you say is Not True!
Ross Perot was never going to be the
Democrat Nominee in 1992!
He ran as a third party candidate and
got 19 percent of the vote, helping
Bill Clinton get elected with less than
50 percent of the vote!

Posted by: reaganfan | March 22, 2008, 5:41 pm 5:41 pm

Did I hear him say those things while I was sitting in the pews…YES!!!!
No wait, wait I heard some things not everything, I take that back uh uh… yes I was there sometimes not all the time …uh ..uh

Posted by: SJ | March 22, 2008, 5:42 pm 5:42 pm

Good post Edwards 2008. The only thing that Hillary can hope to accomplish from this point foward is to futher divide the party and therefore empower people like S. Hannity, R.Limbaugh, D.Duke, P. Buchanan and the rest of those hateful fearmongers who would love to see this country fall apart While they continue to get rich off the fear and ignorance of others.

Posted by: Ron | March 22, 2008, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm

“he wants it he has to earn it.”
He has earned it. He leads in popular vote, states won, and delegates won, and there is NO way that Clinton can gain the nomination without destroying the Democratic Party.
I keep reading people say that the Democrats should not step in and endorse anyone yet (thus basically asking voters to abandon a certain candidate) because Obama isn’t winning by much and Hillary still has a chance. Umm…Yes he is and No she doesn’t. She has lost the nomination, the media just wont report it for the sake of ratings and love for the Clinton name. Remember when Hillary came back from the dead in New Hampshire? I do, and then it mattered, but now it doesn’t matter anymore. She can “get back up from the dead again” (lame) and win all the remaining contests and she still would be behind in States Won, Popular Vote, and Delegates. Also, people forget that she had a rebound in New Hampshire, sure, but she was also knocked dead again by losing the majority of contests and delegates on Super Tuesday and then losing 13 in a row.
Let’s also not forget that she was FAVORED to win both Texas and Ohio. The media allowed her to define her own standard of victory by claiming that if she merely won both that she should be allowed to continue. This was false. She needed to win by HUGE margins and she failed to do that, and though it’s not official, she LOST the Texas Caucus, which we’ll all find out on March 29th.
THE TRUTH IS that this contest WAS over on Super Tuesday, but the media somehow allowed Hillary again to define own standards of winning or drawing by letting her claim that if she won California that she was still alive or even somehow won on Super Tuesday, despite the fact that SHE WAS FAVORED TO WIN CALIFORNIA, and Obama still took many of the delegates from her there.
This contest is over and Obama has won. Are Democratic Party leaders THAT stupid by not endorsing Obama to let it be known to the Democratic public that they do not support Hillary’s negative campaign that can no longer even win her the election, but rather simply help destroy Obama in the general election and sink the Democratic party not only in November but for potentially years to come?
Pelosi, Edwards, and Gore have a responsibility to their parties, and frankly, the fact that they don’t see that point, and don’t act on it, in my opinion, are hurting them personally and hurting the party. Democrats have gained the reputation of only doing the safe thing and not sticking their neck out for what they really believe, and here we go again; Pelosi, Gore, Edwards continue to do the safe thing and continue to not endorse anyone for their own political reasons, because they can’t see where this race is going to end (which is just bad sight) and what the safe bet is to make. The fact that Hillary has tried to bring the ENTIRE PARTY down with her sinking ship instead of bowing out gracefully in a “Choose me or I”ll kick more dirt on Obama than even McCain will or can” strategy that she is using now is all that ANY Democrat needs to see to know that The Democratic Party should be behind Obama (and that whole winning the popular vote, more states, more delegates doesn’t hurt either).
Gore, Edwards, and Pelosi need to do what many people think that Democrats are incapable of doing in recent years-showing some fortitude, spine, guts, resolve, and insight by sticking their neck out for a candidate and their party (and it wouldn’t be sticking it out much because this race is all but officially over and they can help make it officially over and concentrate on McCain). You remember that whole saying by Bush (regardless of how meaningless and empty it was) that “You may not always agree with me, but you know where I stand.” ?????? THAT WORKS! And, right now, people don’t know where The Democratic Party leadership stands in a race that has gone out of control and is hurting the part itself.
Back to the media, Bill Richardson, someone close to the Clinton family both personally and politically came out to endorse Obama. However, I suppose in the eyes of many media personalities that the endorsement of a former member (Tina Fey) of a TV show that hasn’t been funny in 15 years (SNL) carries more weight than the endorsement of a 5 time nominee for a Noble Peace Prize.
The media needs to stop this already! This is a sign that she has lost and that reality is in fact, reality.
In the James Carville World (and I suppose he just compared the Clintons to Jesus by comparing Richardson to Judas) Clinton still has a chance. In reality, and in terms most people will understand, Hillary is in a playoff race that “comes down to the wire”, but she down in the 7th inning by 15 runs. All she has to do now to move on is recapture the tie, convince the umpires that Spring Training games should be allowed to count as Regular Season games, and then convince the MLB that she should move on because she tied.
Shame on the media and all we hear about from those terrible spin machines in no other than New York is how Pro-Obama the media is. The fact that they haven’t declared her dead when she is, is evidence that they are Pro-Clinton and falling victim to the same thing that happened in 2000 with Bush-Gore (Guns, Lawyers, and Money), and it just goes to show, that the Clintons are fine with this because this is the type of campaign that they have run this season, and they don’t mind winning on the same terms that they’ve played this season- on Karl Rove Terms.

Posted by: Anthony | March 22, 2008, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm

Of course, Hillary won Texas!!! The popular vote victory is the real thing, and it is what will decide in general election in ANY state! Obama lost Texas by 4% while ending with more delegates, it only means that the delegate counts is undemocratic, and does not reflect the voters’ choice. Hence, the pledges delegate count should not and must not be the only factor for the superdelegates to consider when they cast their vote. Remember, Obama WILL NOT have enoguh vote to win the nomination unless he gets enough superdelegates’ vote. But now we know more about him, and we know Obama is NOT a trustworthy person (in fact he has proved that he is a liar repeatedly), there is noway that Obama can win the general election.

Posted by: JJ | March 22, 2008, 5:47 pm 5:47 pm

It’s over but Hillary has the right to continue to waste her donors money until it all gone which may be soon.
By the way, according New Federal Election Commission reports show Clinton raised $34.5 million in Feb, but counting her debts to vendors she ended with a net $3 million. And that’s not factoring the $5 million she lent her campaign and has not paid back. By contrast Obama raised nearly $2 million a day in February, with $30 million in the bank for March. I also suspect her donations will dry up with reports out there that she can’t possibly win.

Posted by: Bob, DC | March 22, 2008, 5:47 pm 5:47 pm

Why is it that the Obama supporters are so hurry to end the race, they spend all day saying Hillary should drop out of this.
For supporters that are so sure Obama has this in the bag why worry, Hillary is on her time, spending the money she raise, going all over at her expense so what’s the problem?
Sit back relax take a load off its not costing Obama anything and he is winning so why worry…Geez

Posted by: SJ | March 22, 2008, 5:48 pm 5:48 pm

How do you determine who won Texas if Hillary won the primary and Obama won the caucus. I find it confusing.

Posted by: maryland | March 22, 2008, 5:53 pm 5:53 pm

Why is it that the Obama supporters are so hurry to end the race, they spend all day saying Hillary should drop out of this?
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So the Dem party can focus on the winning the general election and defeating the Republicans. Duh.

Posted by: Bob, DC | March 22, 2008, 5:55 pm 5:55 pm

Cheryl – Some of that is publicly reported in the news and the damning accusation about the $50,000 stock purchase is from Judicial Watch. JW is a non-partisan conservative group who always goes after politicians who they consider not conservative. They are the people who sued the National Archives to release the First Lady schedules because they did not want to wait anymore. (Bill requested the release in 2002 but the Clintons dont control the archives.) The accusations made by JW about Clinton have now been shown to be without merit since the schedules were released as have the other accusations. But I have not seen any vetting of Obama yet on their accusations against him. We the voters deserve to know more.

Posted by: DCVoter | March 22, 2008, 5:55 pm 5:55 pm

Obama does not even allow Michigan to revote, and does not want Florida’s vote to be counted. He is not what he says who he is. Obama will do anything and say anything to win. His dirty attacks on Hillary is shameful. But again, since Obama has no track record to back himself or convince the voters, he cannot talk about the issues, he only can attack and attack Hillary. Obama is a dirty politician with deep connection with Resko (currently on criminal trial) and racist pastor Wright. There is noway we can allow him to be our president.

Posted by: John | March 22, 2008, 5:56 pm 5:56 pm

Come on JJ. The voter count is undemocratic? That’s the biggest pile of deuce since “MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!”
I’m sure all the voters across the country would be very surprised to find out that their vote wasn’t democratic. Where were all those Hilliary supporters when it came to getting that last 1/3 of the delegates? Every HilLiary supporter had the opportunity to go to the caucuses as well. Sadly, the Clinton campaign seemed surprised by the way Texas ran their primary (which is odd since Bill was crucial in getting the “two-step” set up). So Texas isn’t won and democracy lives on despite what JJ says.

Posted by: Karl | March 22, 2008, 5:56 pm 5:56 pm

Why should Hillary drop out of the race?
Is it so Obama can get the nomination without having anymore anti-white,anti-government, hate filled stuff found out? The people that want Hillary out forget that behind her stands the other half of the democratic party. She is not in this alone. She keeps coming back because 1/2 of democratic party wants her. Hillary is not pulling the party apart because it is already apart. Howard Dean will be responsible for the final disater because of his unwillingness to negotiate the Florida, Michagen problem. Does he think that the voters of Florida and Michagen are going to be happy that their votes don’t count. The democratic party will be responsible for their own demise, not Hillary Clinton. I personally think that it is time for America to have a third party or even a 4th.

Posted by: lola | March 22, 2008, 5:57 pm 5:57 pm

I shed tears of joy after hearing Obama’s speech at the DNC in 2004. Now, I am shedding tears of overwhelming disappointment. I really had FAITH in this guy. He was so BELIEVABLE. Obama has lied & denied. The more I read, the more depressed I get. My belief in him has completely evaporated. Now, I support HILLARY CLINTON. She’s not perfect but given her SCHIP/TBI legislation, I know she’ll fight for ALL American families.

Posted by: Paula Sentrago | March 22, 2008, 6:00 pm 6:00 pm

If the idea is that these run off are for the the Democrats to select the best candidate to win a GE, then why should anyone drop put until we all had a chance to see exactly what they are made of?
As a voter I want to weigh all my options and if it take running till June then so be it. There is no position where any voter can say I have changed my mind, I dont like this candidate anymore, to me its better to be safe than sorry in the end.

Posted by: SJ | March 22, 2008, 6:01 pm 6:01 pm

FYI. Obama didn’t move the Michigan and Florida primaries up. Obama didn’t decide to not have their delegates count. Obama went along with the plan that the DNC came up with. Clinton and Edwards and all the candidates agreed to the DNC ruling. Only when HilLiary was losing did she start calling for Michigan and Florida to count. She didn’t give a hoot until she could use those two states like she used Ohio.

Posted by: Karl | March 22, 2008, 6:01 pm 6:01 pm

Karl: Read my words carefully. I said that the fact that the delegate count does not reflect the popular vote is undemocratic. Why don’t you read more. You will find that Hillary won Navad by 6%, but ended with fewer delegates; she won NH by 3%, but ended with the same # of delegates as Obama. You consider this is democratic???

Posted by: JJ | March 22, 2008, 6:02 pm 6:02 pm

Keep fighting Hillary — becasue the reality is you are our hope. OBAMA has no chance of winning a general election. I have never known so many of my friends who are loyal Democrats (White, Black, Latino, Asian, Jewish) who have now decided that there is no way they can support Obama if he wins the nomination.

Posted by: David | March 22, 2008, 6:02 pm 6:02 pm

Sure, Obama did not move the primaries in Michgan and Florida up. But, he broke his pledge not to campagin in Florida, he ran ads in CNN during Florida primary. Now he is wining that counting the Florida’s vote is not in his advantage. Moreover, what’s wrong with a re-vote in Michgan? Obama must know that by not counting Florida and Michgan’s vote, he is never going to be accepted as a legitimate nominee!

Posted by: John | March 22, 2008, 6:06 pm 6:06 pm

Clinton is gaining strength. Obama is LOSING support. Right before the Texas/Ohio primaries, all the news agencies ran stories about how Hillary can’t win, that Obama’s beating her in the polls & that she should simply drop out. Of course, VOTERS PICKED HILLARY OVER OBAMA. In Texas, Obama commercials were plastered on TV, night & day. She still BEAT HIM! Hillary Clinton is gaining strength which is why the Obama folks want her to drop out. How amusing.

Posted by: M Santos | March 22, 2008, 6:08 pm 6:08 pm

Sure it is over ok. It is over for the both of them. If anyone one reading this article thinks EITHER of them stands a chance in hell of EVER being president, then he/she ARE AS STUPID AS THE REPUBLICANS KNOW YOU ARE! There is no chance Obama will win in the general and there is EVEN less of a chance Hillary will win. Face it folks, this campaign has destroyed the party for at least the next 8 years. Where the party goes from that point will depend on entitlement(welfare, insurance, disability, etc.) seekers and ALL stupid Democrats dying off…..

Posted by: Justavoter | March 22, 2008, 6:09 pm 6:09 pm

Right JJ and if according to Obama supers should not go against the will of the people so how do you expalin Kerry, Richardson and Kenndy’s vote??

Posted by: SJ | March 22, 2008, 6:10 pm 6:10 pm

Hillary has contested the Texas caucuses because they were not run properly according to 2000 complaints she received. But her request for a review was evidently denied??? One example I’ve heard firsthand is that noone was checking voting cards(proving voted in primary so eligible to caucus) or ID’s in some locations. And noone was watching to see if someone signed a sign in list more than once. The Texas caucuses should be investigated and invalidated if they can’t be validated properly.

Posted by: Maggie | March 22, 2008, 6:10 pm 6:10 pm

Karl, the caucus count is not over in Texas, and Clinton supporters did go to it, the only counties they have counted is the major cites like Houston, and there is a controversy over the people running the caucus it appears they were paid for by Obama, and they were lying to the people voting and stealing the votes, so if that turns out to be true and from my own experience I believe it to be true, they handed you the paper and told you not to write in who you supported only write your name, and address they would fill out the rest, and guess who name they would put at the top, Obama’s, so that has to be settled first ,and the laws was called on severals polling places because Obama supporter were not letting Clinton supporter in to vote,,,,,,,,,,,,

Posted by: ATYPICALWHITEWOMAN | March 22, 2008, 6:11 pm 6:11 pm

Obama runs better than Hillary in a number of states and is now back ahead in the Gallup tracking poll. This bickering only helps McCain who has been gaining on both. We don’t need a third Clinton term (for Bill) as that’s what this is really about.

Posted by: bhcpolia | March 22, 2008, 6:11 pm 6:11 pm

Ah, I see where you wingnuts are going with this passport brouhaha.
The Obama campaign has a staffer who owns a corporations who employs a contractor with the State Department who triggers an alarm.
Therefore, in your version, maybe the Obama campaign wanted to look at their own candidates passport information so they could get their own candidates social security number! Scandal! Brilliant!
If you want to be useful to the Clinton campaign, maybe you should do what Obama supporters do and volunteer some time, or send some money. Oh, but wait, you can’t do that. You’re all Republicans!
71% agree with Obama’s speech and think he handled the Wright controversy.

Posted by: sumac61 | March 22, 2008, 6:12 pm 6:12 pm

The general election is dtermined by the
electoral votes, which is determined by eeach state’s popular vote! Again, the dfact that the elegate count does not rreflect the voters’ choice in popular vvote during the primaries is undemocratic, period!

Posted by: JJ | March 22, 2008, 6:13 pm 6:13 pm

Both Obama and Clinton had multiple chances to strike a mortal blow, BUT did not. And at this point why should the Super delegates do the candidates’ jobs for them by ending it. This will go all the way to Puerto Rico in June… might as well – let everyone vote. Then from that point until Convention each camp will make their pitch to the Supers and pledged (even the pledged delegates can change their mind). And on top of this the Convention must make a decision on Florida and Michigan.

Posted by: smartprimate | March 22, 2008, 6:14 pm 6:14 pm

New Obama slogan:
“LIES YOU CAN BELIEVE IN”
1. Lied about Canada
2. Lied about Rezko amount of money
3. Lied about not knowing what Wright says in church
4. Lies about wanting to unite the country when he has been in public office for years and has no evidence to support any attempt to unite his own state
5. Lies about wanting to change politics in Washington…today’s proof – releasing a photo of Bill Clinton with Wright after slamming Hillary’s campaign just a few weeks ago about releasing his own photo in Somali clothes
I could go on and on and on but so many people already believe in his lies so appropriately vote for Obama:
” LIES YOU CAN BELIEVE IN”

Posted by: mona | March 22, 2008, 6:14 pm 6:14 pm

I love it when the media and the Obama camp try to push this “it’s over” theme. It just fires up the Clinton supporters. I voted for Clinton in Texas because they were trying to count her out. It also makes Clinton look better when she wins in PA. The Comeback Kid!!! Keep saying it’s over so the couch potatoes will be even more energized to go to the polls and prove you wrong.

Posted by: InTexas | March 22, 2008, 6:14 pm 6:14 pm

Here we go again the Hillary papers on what she did or did not do, well am still waiting on the Obama papers and his calendar to see exactly what he did or what is his claim to fame.
He made a fuss over Hillary’s documents he got 11,000 pages but where is his?? I have not seen anyone asking about that, lets see it so we can discuss that also, strange that so many don’t seem to be as interested in knowing what Obama did as they seem to be interested in all that Hillary did or did not do.

Posted by: SJ | March 22, 2008, 6:14 pm 6:14 pm

Cheryl __________he posted them all earlier, maybe he is tried of posting them for people and figured if they cared they would go find them, I know one was on fox,

Posted by: ATYPICALWHITEWOMAN | March 22, 2008, 6:15 pm 6:15 pm

Hillary is going to win…i mean steal the nomination from Osama Hussein because he is just completely unelectable at this point. Hating white people and America is the quickest to get voters to run from you. That is unless you are a racist black person that believes the US of KKK A invented AIDS to kill black peeps, is a terrorist country, and imports crack cocaine into the ghetto…I mean black neighborhoods. What a bunch of KOOKKKS!

Posted by: Trigger | March 22, 2008, 6:15 pm 6:15 pm

Totally, Mona!!!

Posted by: JJ | March 22, 2008, 6:16 pm 6:16 pm

let’s refer to his FIRST name:
Why isn’t Barack running as plain old
“BARRY”?
Is it because of his Muslim connections?

Posted by: questioner | March 22, 2008, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm

OK – YES the general election is electoral college – however it is winner take all and it is not a cacaus – so please go back to your history books.. and if the nominating process followed the electoral system – hillary would be about 200 delegates ahead of obama.. so please do not talk to me about democracy…. there is no porportionality in the general election – 1 vote more means you get all the electoral votes..
and let it go to the convention.
at this point all mccain has to sit back is watch and he will be president…
the democrats can;t run anything .. just look at this nominaitng mess

Posted by: sokadia | March 22, 2008, 6:18 pm 6:18 pm

myst — You are wrong. Your source comes from the Boston Globe. They have officially endorsed Obama. They are spreading misinformation. THE AMERICAN NURSES ASSOCIATION ENDORSES HILLARY CLINTON. This is an association of around 3 million nurses. They know the truth about Hillary’s dedication to Children’s Health Care.

Posted by: Paula | March 22, 2008, 6:18 pm 6:18 pm

Michigan and Florida both held legal elections and the votes should be counted!! All candidates were on the Democratic ballot but Obama chose to have his name removed later from just the Michigan ballot. Seems odd he stayed on the Florida ballot though, huh? Maybe he thought he might have a chance in FL especially since he had national cable ads running (even though all candidates agreed not to advertise in both states to appease the DNC). I’m sure both states will thank the DNC in the Fall with their overwhelming support for McCain or an independent candidate.

Posted by: Maggie | March 22, 2008, 6:19 pm 6:19 pm

“He has earned it. He leads in popular vote, states won, and delegates won, and there is NO way that Clinton can gain the nomination without destroying the Democratic Party.”
________________________________________
This is simply just false. All of the votes have not been cast and counted. The official votes by delegates at the national convention have not been cast and counted.
Will this election season destry the party? Maybe. Would that be so bad to have party emerge that people can join and not feel they have o be Independents because they dont like either the DNC or RNC? Might be a good idea considering 44% of the country is Independent and the majority of the country are moderates. The eagle cannot fly on one wing alone. Obama is too left wing and that is why the candidates are tied. People want change, all candidates will bring change because the incumbent is not running by law.
The question is who do we trust to bring about change that is good for ALL americans. The perception is pretty clear: McCain will be more of a moderate and change the dynamics of the Republican party which the right wing is not happy with. Clinton has the voters confidence on all the issues and has a record of bipartisan support and maintains a stronghold on the core of her party. Obama seems able to inspire hope with a minority of his party but is losing ground due to judgment and credibility questions and the voters are not confident he has any command of the issues. These are not my opinions, the polls indicate these are the current perceptions. The Independents and the undecideds are who each candidate is targeting now since Obama has been unsuccessful in trying to cut into Clinton’s base. Polls show a significant number of the undecided voters view him less favorably after the speech on race. Next week, we wil have a stronger picture of the polling trends but right now the trend is a huge shift to Clinton.

Posted by: DCVoter | March 22, 2008, 6:22 pm 6:22 pm

Hillary supporter here who will absolutely not support Obama in November and everyone I know feels the same. Our party is falling apart.

Posted by: JRB | March 22, 2008, 6:23 pm 6:23 pm

Keep fighting the Hate Hillary! We believe in you. You can solve all the race problems, not Osama because he is a hater!

Posted by: Tyrone | March 22, 2008, 6:24 pm 6:24 pm

Obama is a radical and McCain is just moderate enough to pacify the Reagan democrats and the independents. There is no way Obama can win in November. And if you think he can, you’re living in the Land of Oz.

Posted by: Jo | March 22, 2008, 6:25 pm 6:25 pm

Obama and his supporters are desperate because they know Rev. Wrong has derailed their campaign. Obama’s speech on race was an unsuccesful attempt to save face and steer his damaging pastor’s comments away from people’s minds. Just listen to the media folks. Republicans are saying Obama is TOAST!! McCain will win the general election if Obama is the nominee.
OBAMA’S CKICKENS ARE COMING HOME TO ROOST!!!
Hillary 2008!!

Posted by: VioletZ | March 22, 2008, 6:26 pm 6:26 pm

DC Voter — you are dreaming about any “huge shift” to Clinton — today’s polls were split on that issue — and if you look ahead to the coming weeks, my guess is that any “huge shift will be AWAY from Clinton.

Posted by: Jackt51 | March 22, 2008, 6:26 pm 6:26 pm

The argument of being able to “come back” only appeals to persons very shaky in Arithmetics !!
In the past, when people argued (after NH and Wisconsin) that she was finished
it was only an opinion.
Factually, she didn’t win Texas and the
“large” victory in Ohio brought only 18
delegates, already compensated by OBAMA in the small states WYOMING and MISSISSIPI !!
And the most elemental forecast for the “smaller as Ohio” PENNSYLVANIA will not bring more than that, the OBAMA pledged delegate advantage being 170 !!
SO, the perception that she cannot win except if the superdelegates reverse the pledged decision is NO MORE AN OPINION, BUT A ARITHMETICAL QUASI-CERTAINTY. And of course, as the Super
know very well that such reversal will
mean the loss of elections in November,
they will not dream to do so !
TOM

Posted by: TOM WITTMANN | March 22, 2008, 6:27 pm 6:27 pm

I was gonna vote for Obama until I realized he was a fraud. It all sounded good until those videos came out on ABC and then I saw the true Obama. I just don’t think our country can handle a race war that he would bring on. I know Hillary has the experience to lead from DAY 1!

Posted by: LaDaJuan | March 22, 2008, 6:27 pm 6:27 pm

Karl – Yes, Let’s talk about Rezcko and how Obama lied about how involved he was with him and how much money he took from him. He just lied about it during the last 5 months! And the lie about his campaign contacting the Canadian govt cost him the OH primary. His campaign cheated in the Tx caucuses and probably utilized the same cheating tactics at the other caucuses – this is still being investigated; And just one week ago, Obama lied about whether or not he knew of Wright’s controversial statements. Just 5 days later, he said he did know. Then, he has the nerve to call his grandmother a “typical white person” – a racist comment that he decries when other people supposedly use it on him (Ferraro, Bill Clinton). And what racist statement did Hillary exactly say that compares to “typical white person?” This guy is a lunatic, liar, fraud, cheat, white hater, and cannot be trusted. He is a dirty dirty politician and will not step foot in the white house, period.

Posted by: Jenny | March 22, 2008, 6:29 pm 6:29 pm

I know Hillary has the experience to lead and fight McCain. Obama can’t win the general election so we for the sake of the party need to rally around Hillary. We have to think of the party first! Right people?

Posted by: Shamiqua | March 22, 2008, 6:30 pm 6:30 pm

The job of the super delegates is to decide which candidate, at the time of the convention, would appear to have the best chance to beat McCain in November. So right now, it’s all about momentum, folks. If Hillary Clinton wins PA big, she will definitely have the momentum in her favor. Add to that the fact that Obama’s wins in red caucus states have not really been the voice of the entire population of a state, disenfranchising many of the core Democratic lower income and older citizens, and add to that the fear that all of Obama’s “Democrats For A Day” will not be around in the general election, well, I’d say Hillary ain’t dead yet!

Posted by: Grammy Barb | March 22, 2008, 6:31 pm 6:31 pm

Michigan and Florida held their elections early with full knowledge that the DNC wouldn’t count them. Both Obama and Clinton agreed that they wouldn’t count. Of course, once she realized that she was screwed, Clinton tried to change the rules. Obama, on the other hand, has repeatedly maintained that he would abide by whatever the DNC decided. Michigan and Florida tried to organized revotes with the DNC, but those plans have fallen through. Try as you might, you can’t blame Obama for any of this.
And the desperation starts to take over…

Posted by: OregonVote | March 22, 2008, 6:31 pm 6:31 pm

I think the Hillary supporters need to go to confession. I have never heard so many lies and distortions in my life. I’m a McCain supporter and I think Hillary clinton is a disgrace (of course her husband keeps saying what good buddies Hillary and McCain are). At least Obama is a decent human being.

Posted by: Catholic | March 22, 2008, 6:31 pm 6:31 pm

so, the clinton camp is saying, “we never promised or intended to run a positive campaign, but obama did, and now he’s being negative, so he’s worse than we are, because we were honest in admitting from the beginning that we had no plans to shy aware from being dirty and nasty.”
wow, i’ve really gained a newfound faith in hillary.
this is so absurd that it almost can’t be a serious response.
i can’t be the only one who sees how preposterous this is.

Posted by: davidfrat4 | March 22, 2008, 6:32 pm 6:32 pm

Do you really think the delegates matter anymore after this guy completely lied at least 3 times? He is not electable and the fact that he cheated in the caucus system as well as not winning big primary swing states proves he will lose a general election. I expect another big speech from him – his bowing out speech and for his supporters to unite under Hillary Clinton to win the GE.

Posted by: Jackson25 | March 22, 2008, 6:33 pm 6:33 pm

Karl: TX is not done counting votes from the first round of the caucuses. TX SOS said maybe Monday. But the subsequent conventions can change the count anyway. You ask where were the Clinton supporter in the caucuses? Many had to go to work or take care of the kids and could not keep waiting all night. Many caucus locations did not even open until 930 pm even though people were waiting since 7 pm. Many Clinton supporters who tried to wait were told the caucuses were cancelled (falsely). In TX the first person in the door gets to control the caucus. There were reports of several instances where Clinton supporters were kept out of the buildings where caucuses were being held. There were some cases with video evidence from cell phones and blackberries. There were reports of primary officials illegally accepting caucus sign in sheets before the primaries were closed. TX caucus is not like other states where the stay and bicker back and forth. You simply submit your sign in sheet with your vote and leave. The state was unable to handle the turnout and had said in writing that either candidate could audit the results. The Clinton camp requested an audit and TX is refusing to allow it. Independent groups will likely file suit and possibly the Clinton camp which is their right. If the TX caucus has nothing to hide and did not cheat, why are they refusing the audit? TX results are not going to be known for some time unfortunately. But as with any caucus, the time limits prevent many core democrats from participating. The TX SOS said Clinton won TX because the caucus voters are the same ones who voted in the primaries which she won by a significant margin.

Posted by: DCVoter | March 22, 2008, 6:33 pm 6:33 pm

DNC Officers
* Howard Dean, Chairman
* Lottie Shackelford, Vice Chair
* Linda Chavez-Thompson, Vice Chair
* Rep. Mike Honda, Vice Chair
* Susan Turnbull, Vice Chair
* Mark Brewer, Vice Chair, Chairman ASDC
* Andrew Tobias, Treasurer
* Alice Travis Germond, Secretary
* Philip D. Murphy, National Finance Chair
THIS PEOPLE ARE GREAT PARTY LEADER WE HAVE TO BLAME FOR THIS MESS,,,,,,,,,,,,

Posted by: ATYPICALWHITEWOMAN | March 22, 2008, 6:36 pm 6:36 pm

Not over, they say?!
Have a look at today’s Gallup daily tracking poll -
now the end game for Hillary has really begun. She’ll not get past June.
Obama wins 6% since March 19, the toughest day in a bad week, Clinton loses 4%. From -7 Obama jumps to + 3.
So, he ALREADY recovered from the blows. Now THAT is a fighter, THAT is an incredible candidate, THAT would make a once-in-a-lifetime President!

Posted by: harko | March 22, 2008, 6:37 pm 6:37 pm

Right after March 4′s big wins in Ohio and Texas for Hillary, Obama expressed his intention to continue the process all the way to the end. Now, J. Wright’s thing came out and Resko’s trial is finding out more and more dirt about Obama, and Hillary is doing very well in PA and VW and closed gap even in NC. Then, why Obama and his friends in the media want Hillary to quit now? Why now? This makes no sense at all. This only tells us that Obama does not think what’s the best interest of the Dem. Party and what’s the best interest of this nation. Obama only wants to win the nomination at any cost! It is chilling to think that while Obama knows very well that he has no chance to win the general election, he still does not allow us, the voters, to have a chance to consider Hillary as a possible candidate against McCain.

Posted by: Jerry | March 22, 2008, 6:39 pm 6:39 pm

It is not a surprise that Mrs. Clinton’s campaign is saying what it has to say in order to continue.
It is nearly certain that the race card and stroke-the-guilt strategy of Mr. Obama’s campaign will win him the nomination. What he has played is a dangerous card and will do ill-service to the country in the long run. Of course, he may not care as long as he wins the election. A man imbibing a separatist and ethno-centric preaching for 20 years wants to bridge the racial divide? One must be kidding!
For all the “unconventional” nature of the campaign that Mr. Obama’s camp claims to engage in, it has done nothing more than a “slice and dice” conventional campaign. But this time with race and the American guilt.
Unfortunately, I will have to vote for him in the general mainly due to the current imbalance in the US supreme court.

Posted by: Onlooker | March 22, 2008, 6:40 pm 6:40 pm

correct, Harko. Obama successfully navigated the worst storm he’ll get. He took it head on Tuesday, and now the dividends are paying off for this very presidential candidate.

Posted by: malthusian77 | March 22, 2008, 6:41 pm 6:41 pm

ITS NOT OVER!
Reading the comments, I can’t help think about a famous scene from a movie.
Did you say over? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!……And it ain’t over now. Cause when the goin gets tough ….. the tough get goin! Who’s with me? Let’s go!……LET’S DO IT!!
Alright Clinton wingnuts GO DO IT!!!!!
IT IS NOT OVAH!

Posted by: The Commander Guy | March 22, 2008, 6:43 pm 6:43 pm

Cinton went after the big states with big money. Obama went after all states with little money. He has beaten Clinton if delegates and popular vote and in raising money. He has run a smarter, and better organized campaign, and it shows. He has shaken the foundation of the Democratic Party and the Republican Party. The superdelegates know it and in the end will go with Obama. He brings in more money and more voters.
I am sorry that Clinton did not take Obama serious enough, but that is the way it is. It is over and everyone knows it, those super delegates are just waiting for the opportune time to show it.

Posted by: Thinking | March 22, 2008, 6:44 pm 6:44 pm

Here’s the amazingly good Gallup Daily Tracking Poll news yoday:
“Barack Obama has quickly made up the deficit he faced with Hillary Clinton earlier this week, with the latest Gallup Poll Daily tracking update on Democratic presidential nomination preferences showing 48% of Democratic voters favoring Obama and 45% Clinton.
Obama’s campaign clearly suffered in recent days from negative press, mostly centering around his association with the controversial Rev. Jeremiah Wright. Perhaps as a result, Clinton moved into the lead in Gallup’s Wednesday release, covering March 16-18 polling. But Obama has now edged back ahead of Clinton due to a strong showing for him in Friday night’s polling, perhaps in response to the endorsement he received from well-respected New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, a former rival for the nomination.”

Posted by: Greg | March 22, 2008, 6:45 pm 6:45 pm

CG – what book are you reading from? Germans didnt bomb Pearl Harbor LOL

Posted by: DCVoter | March 22, 2008, 6:47 pm 6:47 pm

Barack Obama is presented as the Democratic option, McCain leads 59% to 30% in Arkansas. OH YEAH HE IS A WINNER,For Obama, the reviews are 35% favorable and 62% unfavorable.Georgia found that John McCain has a solid lead over both potential Democratic candidates. McCain leads Barack Obama 53% to 40%New polling shows McCain leading both Democrats in Georgia and Arkansas. In Minnesota, the race is very close.On Saturday, Obama’s favorable ratings slipped a little further—46% favorable, 51% unfavorable. Before the Pastor Problem became big news, Obama was viewed favorably by 52%. One month ago, he was viewed favorably by 56%. McCain is viewed favorably by 54% of voters nationwide and unfavorably by 43%.

Posted by: ATYPICALWHITEWOMAN | March 22, 2008, 6:49 pm 6:49 pm

Mr. Obama is technically an illegal alien. Breaking news, based upon the illegal but revealing “curiosity” of trainees.

Posted by: Game Over | March 22, 2008, 6:50 pm 6:50 pm

According to Dem. Party Chair in Florida, there is historical record that the DNC eventually allowed the delegates to be countede from Iowa, NH and Navada when they had voilated the DNC canlender, just the way that Florida and Michigan did. So, why wouldn’t the DNC count the vote from Florida? Because Howard Dean is backing Obama??? And of course we blame Obama for not allowing a Michgan revote!!!

Posted by: JJ | March 22, 2008, 6:50 pm 6:50 pm

lol
Hilary HUCKABEE Clinton ‘has always come back’, ‘come back BEHIND Barack Obama!
Hilary is the Huckabee of the Democratic Party: She will only quit when the supers finally give her the marching orders; because the self-absorbed Clintons (like Huckabee on SNL) THEY CANNOT TAKE A HINT THAT IT’S OVER! lol
It will be over when the fat lady sings, when Hilary finds her 60 year old voice again. lol

Posted by: New Yorker | March 22, 2008, 6:50 pm 6:50 pm

This is the most exciting election season in a long time. It wonderful that almost all states will have the opportunity to have their voices heard and votes counted in the primaries. When the nominee wins to early then the voters in other states were not heard. Lets go through the end and see what the rest of the country has to say!

Posted by: terry | March 22, 2008, 6:52 pm 6:52 pm

Folks: Look at his statements. Obama was FOR inclusion of Florida and Michigan in a way that represented the voting electorate.

Posted by: malthusian77 | March 22, 2008, 6:52 pm 6:52 pm

DCVoter…
I have seen info that Hillary Clinton was investigated for
cattle Futures with a miraculous winfall of 10,000% after her husband had a donation to his campaign from the head of Tyson and that same man gave ehr the stock tip and Bill Clinton raised the laws in arkansas for weight of trucks…
I have seen her go through lengthy and costly battles with the ability to pull strings as the first lady for the white water scandal
I have seen her thank a man on video for throwing her a multi-million dollar party and Bill Clinton saying he was going to work with this same man’s company…only to later have the Clinton’s say they had nothing to do with this man and he was a liar…and then have the federal gov’t fine them 35, 000 for inapproapriate reporting of funds…
I have seen investigations over FBI files that were taken and used by the Clintons against their eneimies
I have seen people who donated to the campaign get quid pro quo staying in the Lincoln Bedroom
I have seen camapaign finance come from Chinese officials
I have seen
I do not have time for this …so if you want to throw out a scandal because Sen. Clinton refuses to let go of her “inherent” marriage right to the seat of the Presidency of the US
Then bring it if you are going to bring it…
The Clinton campaign goes further down this road of being a kamikaze and putting their own self interests and brain washed stupporters first…
it’s time to change …and they haven’t seen anything Kamikaze like us letting out all the Clinton scandals.
so DON’T start dropping “I heard”‘s…
and scandals… The Clintons do not and have not a prayer on that front…

Posted by: dl | March 22, 2008, 6:53 pm 6:53 pm

Hillary Hang in there ! !! You would Not Believe the Folks are Abandoning Obama! It’s Unbelievable…. Everywhere I go they say No Way…. No I Can’t!

Posted by: Reflective | March 22, 2008, 6:54 pm 6:54 pm

The premise of the article is flawed, and so the whole article is flawed. It presumes that the superdelegates are going to vote as a bloc. However, the superdelegates are INDIVIDUALS, and if an undecided superdelegate comes from a state, district, county, etc. that Hillary WON, it will be very easy for them to “overturn the national will.” That is, after all, THEIR JOB…to represent their local interests, the will of the local people…..not to mention (in the privacy of their mind) their own personal preference of the 2 candidates. What the Politico columnist is missing is that, rightly or wrongly, this Rev. Wright stuff has done SERIOUS damage to Obama. It has begun the (unfortunate, but real) polarizing of Obama as a “racial” candidate. Even if Obama is as innocent and decent as the driven snow (which I believe he is), the JUDGEMENT issue, in consorting with Wright (and Wright’s blessing of Farrakhan, etc.), is going to haunt him. And, frankly, there are enough whites that resent that kind of Wright hysteria, conspiracy-theory delusion, etc., that they will WALK AWAY from Obama, on this basis. Hillary wins PA by 20 points, WV by 20 points, KY by 20 points, PR by 20 points. Scores a surprise 2-5 point victory in NC. You get the get the picture. Sure, she is still behind in pledged delegates, but who cares; she has the momentum, and that is a BIG DEAL. She will have won ALL of the 10 or so largest states (EXCEPT Illinois). Maybe even the popular vote. What the Politico article misses is that Obama’s winning an exaggeratedly LARGE share of the votes in small states sets up a problem for him. There are more (I believe) remaining uncommitted superdelegates from areas that Hillary WON. They are not going to be worried about the “national will,” when the national will is 1) yesterday’s news 2) Hillary has big time momentum 3) NATIONAL polls start showing Hillary, say 5 points or more ahead of Obama and a stronger opponent vs. McCain and 4) their going for Hillary only represents “the will of my local constituency”

Posted by: larry996 | March 22, 2008, 6:54 pm 6:54 pm

Greg et al -
Single polls are not good indicators. We have to look at trends over time of combined polling for any degree of legitimacy. The polls are always going to go up and down day by day because people’s opinions shift day to day. Try using more than just a single poll. An important point to look at is the actual numbers because pollsters are humans too and sometimes they tend to skew their interpretations based on who they favor when there is a statistical tie. The other things you have to factor in are: the margin of error, the method of polling, and the number of people polled. For example, NC, which was previously predicted to be an Obama win by a large margin, is now statistically tied. The combined trends still show momentum has shifted to Clinton nationally, in states that have voted, and in upcoming states.

Posted by: DCVoter | March 22, 2008, 6:54 pm 6:54 pm

Dear Democratic Super-Delegates, Delegates, and Most Importantly the Voters in The Great States of Florida, and Michigan, and as important the Great States yet to vote…Please think about this:
To hear Nancy Polosi the Democratic Speaker of the House, say to honor the will of the voters…Makes me sick. As, the will of not one, but two States are not being counted. If this were the case, the votes, would put Hillary Clinton at just 100,000 votes (possibly) then Mr. Obama. It is clear to me, that to disenfranchise these voters, no matter who wins is totally un-democratc. If my sources are correct, the Florida date was changed by the Repulican controlled Government, if true, then, wouldn’t it be fair to let the results stand, as both did not campaign, but both WERE on the BALLOT. The voters of Florida have indeed spoken, and have fallen apon deaf ears. Also, Michigan, would do a re-vote, paid by private funds, thus taking away the excuse that the DNC cannot afford to pay for a re-vote, due to using this money for the actual Presidential race. There must be fairness to all the voters, not the cronies that made these bad decisions, to be counted. Even the candidates, or should I say Mr. Obama should be over-ruled to protect the Constitutional right to be counted. It seems, just as the issue I mentioned about Mr. Obama’s church and Pastor, were known in 2007, no one in mass media would report it, can anyone say voter manipulation? Florida and Michigan voters and delegates should count, there still is plenty of time, yet, Mr. Obama “the great Uniter” is already dividing the Country by leaving out two whole states. If you stand by your principles, than you would not be afraid of the POSSIBILITY of losing, but, living, and standing by your Campaign promises, if you don’t, then it is all about power and winning at any cost, the cost of two Democratic Primaries…is this the change you are refering to Mr. Obama???!!!

Posted by: larry996 | March 22, 2008, 6:55 pm 6:55 pm

To all of you radical Hillary supporters who keep talking about switching over to McCain if Obama gets the nomination. Why don’t you all just go now and get the hell out of the party so that you can get a good nights sleep because in a few more election cycles we true democrats won’t need your support or votes anyway, or have you all been paying any attention the changing demographics of this ever changing country. Just remember when you all decide to come back to the democrats in the next four or eight years that it won’t be the same party that you left and you may not even be welcome. good luck and good riddance.

Posted by: Ron | March 22, 2008, 6:55 pm 6:55 pm

dl
your so called cattle future’s info is about 30 years old…..and has been since discredited……yawn

Posted by: MattOhio-MI-FL-Messenger | March 22, 2008, 6:56 pm 6:56 pm

I simply don’t understand why so many people hate Hillary Clinton.
There may be only two minor things I don’t like about her, the way she looks and the way she is.

Posted by: Marian | March 22, 2008, 6:59 pm 6:59 pm

Fact: Obama says one thing, but does something else in action. And he DID NOT support Michgan revote!!! Check the fact before making your statement.
Note: Neither Obama nor Hillary can be considered to be legitimate nominee unless both Florida and Michgan’s votes are counted. This is very simple.

Posted by: JJ | March 22, 2008, 7:00 pm 7:00 pm

He has no religion, what was he before 20 years

Posted by: Yolanda Diaz | March 22, 2008, 7:01 pm 7:01 pm

I have never heard so much noise from 10-20 people
It’s Over

Posted by: Thinking | March 22, 2008, 7:01 pm 7:01 pm

Hillary supporters, keep attacking Obama’s patriotism.
Obama supporters, please keep ridiculing Clinton and belittling her supporters to ensure they never vote for Obama if he is the candidate.
McCain’s gotta love you guys.

Posted by: LAGuy | March 22, 2008, 7:04 pm 7:04 pm

Mattohio
It is has never had an official investigation the statute of limitations ran out but nice try…
here is the “official results of that 1 controversy …it is similar to most…the big Republican conspiracy where she was vetted supposedly…didn’t focus on anything after they found him lying on the stand …you all don’t get that these “things” these scandals…have not been vetted …and most that have ended up in lawsuits, fines and deaths…
Thank you Ms. Williams-come-campaign-manager for cleaning the dead man’s office before investigators got there.
and releasing schedules and blacking that info out.

Posted by: dl | March 22, 2008, 7:05 pm 7:05 pm

I don’t like about her, the way she looks and the way she is.–_-_—_-Like Obama is all that and a bag of chips,look at the mans ears, and his eyes, he always looks stoned, and he walks like he has corn cob, you know where,

Posted by: ATYPICALWHITEWOMAN | March 22, 2008, 7:05 pm 7:05 pm

I am a lifelong Democrat. However, if the Democrats insist on running a racist, empty-suited, inexperienced liar just because he gives speeches that make their legs tingle, then the party should be destroyed. It’s pretty clear that McCain will be our next president. I want Hill to run this thing until there is political blood all over the campaign trail. The Dems aren’t going to win the White House anyway, and the party needs a wakeup call.

Posted by: MGPGH | March 22, 2008, 7:05 pm 7:05 pm

and since when is the election a beauty contest, if that was a factor we would sure would have not voted in a host of presidents we have had, Lord Nixon was gross,

Posted by: ATYPICALWHITEWOMAN | March 22, 2008, 7:07 pm 7:07 pm

GHM: I am not a democrat nor republican. I am a thinker and I look at the facts. And I am sorry to tell you (assuming you are one of those blind Obama supporter) that I and all in my whole family will vote for McCain if Obama is the nominee! Obama is a liar and racist, we would be doing this country a great disservice if we would elect him to be our President.

Posted by: JJ | March 22, 2008, 7:09 pm 7:09 pm

dl – redactions on the schedules are entirely the action of the National Archives and the current White House administration when appropriate in the interest of privacy and security by law. Putting out propaganda that is not true certainly reduces any credibility of your posts.

Posted by: DCVoter | March 22, 2008, 7:09 pm 7:09 pm

dl,
like DCVoter said RNC spent anywhere between $40 and $70 million to rake the cattle future’s issue, but got no where….maybe we should use Obama’s $55million from February to investigate this….oh wait…..he wasted it in TX, OH and RI for nothing….

Posted by: MattOhio-MI-FL-Messenger | March 22, 2008, 7:10 pm 7:10 pm

Did hear what Hillary said?
Oh but did you know that Obama…….
Really??
Oh I could not vote for her.
I guess I wouldn’t vote for him.
It so tragic she loved him and he is dating Obama.
You all sound like school girls to me.

Posted by: Thinking | March 22, 2008, 7:10 pm 7:10 pm

In 2000, the Clintons and their divisive Monica scandal DENIED AL GORE & doomed the Dems.
Bush took advantage of Clintons’ disgrace, and is now destroying even Americans’ homes.
Fast forward to 2008, and the divisive Clintons are AGAIN destroying Dems chances and enabling McBush, who will destroy even more of America!
And yes, some Americans don’t mind America’s doom and gloom of a THIRD TERM McBush or divisive Clintons
Americans have themselves to blaming for voting and re-voting Bush destruction of America.
America WILL AGAIN have themselves to blame if through SPITE they re-vote McBush or divisive Clintons.

Posted by: New Yorker | March 22, 2008, 7:10 pm 7:10 pm

All thes elists are why you all are blind to the Clintons…
President Clinton has lied before… and played these games before and gotten caught…
but you all keep saying the other guy is the liar…
but yet NOT the CLINTONS.
Open your eyes…you are all blinded by the fact that yuo have been defending theonly light you could see at the front end of this dark republican tunnel we have been living in for over 7 years.
and paople who throw out unsubstantiated rumor… don’t help…the clintons not only have more “unsubstantiated rumors” than anybody…
they have more scandals, court trials, lawsuits, fines, disbarment, investigations, and spin proven than anybody.
They are far from the bar you all want.
but go ahead burn the earth with this spin coming out of some of your keypads.

Posted by: dl | March 22, 2008, 7:12 pm 7:12 pm

Why should Hillary give up for a man who is destroying the Democratic Party and its prospects for November. You hang on in there Hillary and don’t be pulled down into the gutter by that two-bit arrogant and cocky Chicago local politician. They’ll have to widen the White House doors to accommodate his ego should he ever be elected.Take it all the way to the convention Hillary and if Obama doesn’t ok. the seating of the Florida and Michigan delegates then he doesn’t believe in democracy other than when it suits his ego trip.

Posted by: Overland Trail | March 22, 2008, 7:15 pm 7:15 pm

but you all keep saying the other guy is the liar…He is a liar, and if you don’t see that you are blinding the light or what ever,,,,,,,,,,,

Posted by: ATYPICALWHITEWOMAN | March 22, 2008, 7:16 pm 7:16 pm

DCVoter…
I don’t need to rely on wikipedia…
I urge everyone to type in Clinton and scandals and see what happens…
type in Clinton and almost anything and you will come up with atleast one…
type in Clinton and Cattle
Clinton and lawsuit
Clinton and trust
Clinton and self
for that matter type in Hillary and those same words…
everyone should see for themselves.
Enough with what ever spin you are trying to scorch this earth with…
As angry as some of you see …just watch how angry people will be if Sen. Clinton somehow spun some info into something because SHE needs to win.
Which candidate put the other party ahead of their own but behind themselves…
that is what you should be asking.

Posted by: dl | March 22, 2008, 7:16 pm 7:16 pm

Amazing that dl can’t accept the $40 million dollar verdict in favor of Senator Clinton.
Ken Starr would probably qualify as a “typical white person” who got results.
Depending on how he is bred, of course.

Posted by: Jayhawk | March 22, 2008, 7:17 pm 7:17 pm

Take it to the floor Hill!

Posted by: s.b. | March 22, 2008, 7:18 pm 7:18 pm

Why hasn’t anyone thought of the great leader Hillary would be if she stayed in the Senate? She could be running it in the years to come. She is so savvy about the workings of government that she would do more for the democratic party if she left her desire to be Queen of America at the door and stayed where she could do so much more good. She coud be a senator for 20 more years, president for only 4 , , , possibly 8.

Posted by: Lee | March 22, 2008, 7:19 pm 7:19 pm

I will never vote for Obama! He is a creep who does not want MI and FL votes to count!

Posted by: Jimmy | March 22, 2008, 7:20 pm 7:20 pm

Man commits a crime gets caught, tell Judge I was not there, but the evidence proved him wrong, He said but your Honor it was a bone headed mistake and bad judgment on my part, Judge says 20 yrs, now you have time to learn not to make bad judgments, and to think about the outcome before you act,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Posted by: ATYPICALWHITEWOMAN | March 22, 2008, 7:20 pm 7:20 pm

if she left her desire to be Queen of America at the door ______________I have a ideal how about Obama stay there and leave his desire to be the Messiah at the dump,

Posted by: ATYPICALWHITEWOMAN | March 22, 2008, 7:23 pm 7:23 pm

DCVoter,
I don’t blame you for your reflection on polls (the nature of which depends on who’s ahead)
but my experience tells me that the Gallup Daily Tracking Poll is one of most reliable out there for the national picture. Per state things no doubt can look very different.
Having said that, Obama’s almost immediate recovery in the Tracking Poll after such a tough week for his campaign is a pretty impressive achievement for a campaign. Many here expected to see his steamer sink; it simply doesn’t. If he survives THIS week THAT easily and SO quickly in the Gallup poll, he simply cannot be stopped.
Part of the explanation for the swift recovery no doubt is a very simple one: he IS the current front runner, and on every front, he HAS a winner sort of easy going style now, enjoying himself in this campaign, while Hillary fails to get rid of her fatigue, her annoyance, even if she shows such an admirable perseverance. These factors may be totally superficial, but they count in any context. A relaxed Obama is talking at CNN to Anderson Cooper; Hillary doesn’t dare to accept the invitation for his program. Same with Larry King, who’ll surprise you with his questions; no problem for Obama. He’s confindent (his opponents will say: arrogant).
And yes, I’m sure that Richardson gave her a bigger blow than Obama was able to do during this whole campaign. It was, for her, a truly damaging endorsement. Carville’s reaction to it is a disaster of course. Bill Richardson must have had some hidden reason to hit her really hard. I sincerely felt sorry for her, even if Obama is the one I support. It’s a tough business, politics.

Posted by: Greg | March 22, 2008, 7:24 pm 7:24 pm

“It’s not over”??
The first leading indicator is Hillary’s funding will dry up.
Bill Clinton’s library and “Global Initiative” will also see funding shrivel. Funding was being provided as a “bank shot” to curry access to the Clintons. That’s now ending.
Next, the Clinton campaign will come unglued as staff and volunteers read the handwriting. They will move quickly to join Obama and remain politically relevant.
Next, the Clinton campaigns phone calls will get returned. Reporters and pundits will “predict” the end of the Clinton campaign so they will be on the record as being “first”.
The national press, crowds, and interest in anything Hillary says will begin to drop precipitously. That process has already begun.
Salvage has already begun. What can Hillary salvage out of all the contacts, funders, contacts and unfulfilled promises?
Her strategy will now turn to consolidating whatever power she can retain in the Senate in case Obama loses. The Clintons could lay claim to the DNC apparatus and begin undermining McCain who will be 75 years old by the next election. Hillary will be 64.
Bill will be in California playing off his celebrity. He will have fulfilled his obligation to Hillary, balanced his debt to her, and will cut her loose.

Posted by: Gorgon '08 | March 22, 2008, 7:26 pm 7:26 pm

It’s over folks. If Obama wins he will have distroyed the the Democratic Party. I for one will not vote for a person that hates America.I will have to vote for McCain to keep our country out of his hands. I distrust him more than Bush.

Posted by: Slokipoki | March 22, 2008, 7:26 pm 7:26 pm

Bill has his ire up.
Hillery’s girdle is too tight.
She is in serious trouble.
Let’s face it — it’s over!

Posted by: Thomas | March 22, 2008, 7:26 pm 7:26 pm

Now that the Obama has been deemed the crown prince, expect that
any questioning of his character, decisions or associations will be met by his supporters with charges of racism, facisism or worse (vote for
Hillary and return to McCarthyism!!)…
If this is what building bridges and
reconcilation looks like, please count me out…

Posted by: Mary Lou | March 22, 2008, 7:27 pm 7:27 pm

Neither were born in Illinois. Both were educated by life’s challenges. Both were faced with wars not of their choosing. Both had to confront racial divides. Both emerged from Illinois. Both Great men of stature.
Lincoln & Obama

Posted by: Thomas | March 22, 2008, 7:29 pm 7:29 pm

I want to thank all of the Obama supporters. I have never voted republican in my life, however; with your lack of respect and downright disgusting behavior in regards to the other candidates, if Obama is the nominee as you all seem so sure he will be. I will cast my vote for Mcain. Oh, no, there is no going back. So when you talk about dividing the party please look at your messiah and yourself in the mirror. Obama will never be the president of the United States. Thank yourselves, your messiah and his RACIST PREACHER!!!!!!!

Posted by: John | March 22, 2008, 7:29 pm 7:29 pm

dl – when you begin to judge Senator Clinton without referring to or consideration of Bill Clinton you might have some credibility. I have tried hard not to judge Obama because of his wife. For argument’s sake, let’s set aside the charges of corruption on both sides because after all we are talking about politicians.
The differences are clear between Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton:
Throw out the First Lady years and compare resumes, accomplishments, and voting records. Clinton is heads above Obama.
Now compare campaign proposals – 95% the same with Clinton saving money and with Obama significantly increasing personal and capital gains taxes.
Now compare the campaigns themselves – Obama has unlimited monies and is not getting a good ROI indicating he is an inexperienced executive. Clinton had an unprepared manager but quickly turned the campaign around to efficiently manage her ROI. The Clinton camp has gone negative on the issues. The Obama camp has gone negative with attacks of a personal nature.
On preparedness, Obama has never lived and worked in the WH as the spouse of a President and represented or participated in foreign relations in over 80 countries. Some included work to help handle crises and support our troops. Clinton is fully aware of the challenges faced every day by the President and is respected around the world. Obama is a relative unknown only having been overseas 3 times as Senator. The media certainly has exposed him but this is not the same as working relationships with heads of state.
On electability, the facts on electoral count and the current polling trends indicate Obama is no longer electable. We will see what the remaining voters have to say, what the court decisions are, and what the delegates and superdelegates have to say in August.
ALL that is left is judgment, credibility, and patriotism. These are all subjective. Until the convention, let’s try to stay credible with facts and clearly sell our cases on subjective traits instead of personal attacks on other posters. How about that?

Posted by: DCVoter | March 22, 2008, 7:30 pm 7:30 pm

Since 1980, we have had a Bush or a Clinton in either the White House or as a- VP.
This is totally inconsistent with what George Washington had in mind when he declined to run for a third term.
I supported the Clintons in the 1990s, but it’s time for someone new.
Barack-Obama or Ralph-Nader will do good for our country. Personally, I know I can trust Ralph Nader, but he wouldn’t win. Obama is new, his message is fresh, and we should give him the benefit of the doubt.
McCain is a single-channel candidate (war). He is probably honest for the most part, but has a weakness for women, and hence his troubles with the S&L crisis, and the one where he allegedly slept with a media-lobbyst. He is trying to surround himself with ex-CEOs to deal with the economy, which is good, but he himself is one-dimensional.

Posted by: white-house-is-peoples-house | March 22, 2008, 7:31 pm 7:31 pm

The fight is’nt over yet, have you not heard the news, that brothel owners association is backing Hillary Clinton’s campaign, that all the prostitutes were out there working for her, watch this is hillarious he he he he.

Posted by: alexis compton | March 22, 2008, 7:32 pm 7:32 pm

DCVoter
Excellent in-depth analysis!!!! Hope dl gets it this time

Posted by: MattOhio-MI-FL-Messenger | March 22, 2008, 7:33 pm 7:33 pm

Lee – any of them will still be Senators unless they resign to take the office of President. One key thing I think most of the voters are forgetting is they all still have those jobs and that they all are rich enough that they will not be affected financially if the other ones fail to improve the economy over the next 4 years. All of them can run again in 4 years and easily blame the failure of their opponents. This is politics and it realy comes down to who you have faith in after reviewing all the data, resumes, speeches, etc.

Posted by: DCVoter | March 22, 2008, 7:35 pm 7:35 pm

I don’t understand why all the bashing of Obama. He is winning the primaries and Hillary’s supporters are angry. Do you have to stoop to those levels? Just remember thet we are all children of God and Jesus died for ALL of our SINS! Please watch what you say because the BIBLE tells us to LOVE one another as he LOVES us. Please support you canidate and show respect for everyone regardless of who they support. PLEASE!

Posted by: Emilianna | March 22, 2008, 7:37 pm 7:37 pm

Both were educated by life’s challenges=====wait Obama went to the best schools was born into a wealthy family, Lincoln was born in a cabin with no floor and learned how read by candle lite, in that cabin, and Obama and his friends say that Lincoln his self was a racist,

Posted by: ATYPICALWHITEWOMAN | March 22, 2008, 7:38 pm 7:38 pm

I have faith that worst case (McCain win in Nov) that Senator Clinton as a respected and powerful senior Senator will keep McCain in check and push her proposals through as much as she can to benefit the American people. She has a good working relationship with Senator McCain. I do not have that faith in Senator Obama because he is not well liked in the Senate. Why? Liberal voting record and not keeping in step with the hierachy. Do I think the hierachy is right? No. But I am realistic in knowing the older senior Senators who do not like him will still be in the Senate for the next 2-4 years. Combine that with the Republicans, and he would be unable to have any influence to keep McCain in check. To me the logical choice is clear politically – Clinton.

Posted by: DCVoter | March 22, 2008, 7:39 pm 7:39 pm

She will stay in until she raises enough money to pay herself back. After that, she is out.

Posted by: Nikole | March 22, 2008, 7:40 pm 7:40 pm

Emiliana: You have the right attitude. Thank you.

Posted by: malthusian77 | March 22, 2008, 7:40 pm 7:40 pm

The entire family campaigning against one man.
Dang!

Posted by: jack | March 22, 2008, 7:42 pm 7:42 pm

I can’t get the “GDA” out of my mind. How could anybody stay in a church that spews this filth? Obama will never win a general election because there are too many people that love this great country. GOD BLESS AMERICA. I wish these lunatics who hate America would go back to their “mother” country. I think if you live in America you need to have a non-negotiable commitment to America, not Africa. See the 10 point vision from BO’s church.

Posted by: Bea | March 22, 2008, 7:42 pm 7:42 pm

It is over when Obama drops out. We won’t allow him to steal the election by disenfranchizing voters in FL and MI. His poor judgment and lies in the case of his pastor and the fact that he can NOT win the swing states such as Ohio and Pennsilvania and are too much of liability for the Democrats in GE. Above all, there is sure a lot of other stuff as Bill said that will keep poping up about Obama and that’s because Obama is a fraud. Hillary will fight all the way to the end to make sure this guy doesn’t ruin our chances for November.
Give ‘em hell Hillary.

Posted by: Josh | March 22, 2008, 7:42 pm 7:42 pm

Bill Clinton may be too old to do interns.
However, HILARY IS TOO OLD FOR WHITE HOUSE.

Posted by: New Yorker | March 22, 2008, 7:43 pm 7:43 pm

Greg – if you only rely on the Gallup, yesterday it was just the opposite of today. LOL Rasmussen flips back and forth also and they are as respected as Gallup. I look at things from a statistics perspective and check the details. That is why the combined trends are much more indicative.
I dont think Richardson was that much of a blow personally. He is an opportunist and always has been. I am sure they know that. Politically, we will see if he has any impact on the hispanic voters (I doubt he will because he has done little for them and he didnt have their support when he was a candidate).

Posted by: DCVoter | March 22, 2008, 7:44 pm 7:44 pm

atypicalwhitewoman: I came across this from a different perspective when looking into the history of scientific and political views of race. But, yes, by today’s standards, Lincoln was a racist. More apropos, Obama’s father abandoned his family. Is that not a hardship?

Posted by: malthusian77 | March 22, 2008, 7:45 pm 7:45 pm

atypicalwhitewomen… Obama did go on fox. Look at the website.

Posted by: Emilianna | March 22, 2008, 7:45 pm 7:45 pm

Some of the comments by people claiming to be long time Democrats are deeply disturbing. There are Clinton supporters on here who call Obama “Osama” and who say he can be VP if he learns to be humble. I hope you do vote for McCain because ignorance and hatred like that should not be Democratic values. And that type of politics is more in line with the party of Karl Rove. Every Democrat has an opinion on Obama vs Clinton- don’t degrade yourself and the party by such ignorant and despicable tactics.

Posted by: ashamed Demo | March 22, 2008, 7:46 pm 7:46 pm

We demand in re-vote in Ohio. The voters deserve the whole truth about NAFTA.

Posted by: Jim B | March 22, 2008, 7:46 pm 7:46 pm

IT’S OVER – THE FACT IS SHE NEVER HAD A CHANCE – TOO MANY PEOPLE DON’T LIKE HER. THE BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HILLARY AND OBAMA IS HE TALKS TO YOU –WHERE HILLARY TALKS AT YOU. BELIEVE THE MORE SHE PRATTLES ON WE WILL BELIEVE HER NOISE. SHE DOESN’T EVEN COME CLOSE TO OBAMA WHEN SHE OPENS HER MOUTH.

Posted by: a citizen | March 22, 2008, 7:49 pm 7:49 pm

“It’s not that the Clinton campaign is claiming they haven’t been negative in their attacks on Obama. They seemed to concede that they, too, have launched negative attacks. But they contend that Obama promised his supporters something different, a better kind of politics, and in their view, he isn’t keeping his word.”
Promising a better kind of politics and letting someone use you as a punching baq are two different things.

Posted by: beaupritchard | March 22, 2008, 7:49 pm 7:49 pm

IT’S OVER – THE FACT IS SHE NEVER HAD A CHANCE – TOO MANY PEOPLE DON’T LIKE HER. THE BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HILLARY AND OBAMA IS HE TALKS TO YOU –WHERE HILLARY TALKS AT YOU. BELIEVE THE MORE SHE PRATTLES ON WE WILL BELIEVE HER NOISE. SHE DOESN’T EVEN COME CLOSE TO OBAMA WHEN SHE OPENS HER MOUTH.

Posted by: a citizen | March 22, 2008, 7:50 pm 7:50 pm

You may be right Jannet
Make sure you lump in Bill since he endorsed Farrakan twice
LOL look it up
this is silly
it is over for Hillary

Posted by: dee | March 22, 2008, 7:51 pm 7:51 pm

These days most chickens don’t come home to roost. They are typically keep in cages for their short and brutish lives. This is one of the main industries in Arkansas. A pretty horrid affair. Sorry, this is almost like a real issue. Let’s get back to the campaign.
Huckabee/Clinton 08.
Free the chickens.

Posted by: Jim B | March 22, 2008, 7:52 pm 7:52 pm

Glad you enjoyed it, MattOhio. Thought Big Brother would blot that one out. Haven’t heard much about Larry. The repubs will have fun with that one.

Posted by: MGPGH | March 22, 2008, 7:53 pm 7:53 pm

ATYPICALWHITEWOMAN – Yes, Peck was saying “Malcom X was right.” So? What does any of this have to do with the presidential campaign? There is nobody running for president who believes that stuff.

Posted by: jock59801 | March 22, 2008, 7:55 pm 7:55 pm

A Word To The Wise……Judge not, that ye be not judged. and what with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye. Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and,behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

Posted by: Emilianna | March 22, 2008, 7:57 pm 7:57 pm

WestCoastMessenger: Your post is a REAL KEEPER! Everything you say is absolutely true!!! Thanks!

Posted by: DMK | March 22, 2008, 7:58 pm 7:58 pm

To ALL Obama Supporters: The more you insult and attack those who hold different views from you, the less likely that Obama will win the general election. If you think Obama is such a worthy candidate, why don’t you just present his merits to win the support for him, rather than attacking others? Maybe you do not have enough lists of his accomplishments to present, thus attacking others and asking Hillary to quit now are the only way to go?

Posted by: JJ | March 22, 2008, 8:00 pm 8:00 pm

Our hope is that America will take the best of the Obama message, commit herself to and begin the long and arduous journey to reverse her present course, which cannot be done without justice for the children of her ex-slaves and all who still yearn to breathe free.

Posted by: ATYPICALWHITEWOMAN | March 22, 2008, 8:00 pm 8:00 pm

words of Louis Farrakhan ====In this presidential campaign, Sen. Obama “has been groomed, and wisely so, to be seen more as a unifier,

Posted by: ATYPICALWHITEWOMAN | March 22, 2008, 8:03 pm 8:03 pm

Sorry Paula, I’m right about Hillary and schip. It was on the news as well.

Posted by: myst | March 22, 2008, 8:03 pm 8:03 pm

On an academic note, atypicalwhitewoman brought up a very interesting point about Lincoln. As I noted a few posts ago, by today’s standards, Lincoln was racist. He and Charles Darwin (born the same day, same year) were both ahead of their time, but also products of their times. As a scientist I battle with creationists who harp upon the “racist” comments of Darwin. One could also, by modern standards, call Darwin a sexist. But both Lincoln and Darwin set the stage for greater objectivity, greater understanding. Like Obama, I strongly disagree with some of Rev. Wrights statements. But, like Lincoln and Darwin, Wright is a product of his times, as correctly noted by Obama in his “More perfect Union” speech. Let’s move forward. Of the three remaining candidates on either side of the aisle, I see Obama as the most insightful one to take us forward.

Posted by: malthusian77 | March 22, 2008, 8:03 pm 8:03 pm

It is surprising to me that so many women feel obligated to vote for Hillary because she is a woman. Yes she is, a woman socialist. Obama is inexperienced and unpredictable. McCain is a wanna be conservative. My vote if for the person I dislike the least and NO candidate who does not and has not supported the 2nd amendment to the constitution in their previous comments or in their “co-presidency” For me, that leaves McCain as my candidate of choice and I will support him fully in November. Both Clinton and Obama fall very short on this issue and Hillary would not recognize the truth if she fell over it in my opinion. She speaks with forked tongue. Gender and race have once again come to the forefront and have further divided our nation. The forefathers of our republic would turn over in their graves to see this political spectacle we call nominations and elections.

Posted by: curtis41 | March 22, 2008, 8:03 pm 8:03 pm

A good place read about Obama views and stands is a web site called The Final Call

Posted by: ATYPICALWHITEWOMAN | March 22, 2008, 8:05 pm 8:05 pm

JJ – I agree with you, although I think the attacks are coming from all angles, including may from republicans pretending to be Clinton or Obama supporters. More importantly, I just think the internet brings out more people who have an axe to grind. I wouldn’t consider any of these commenters to be typical Clinton or Obama supporters. Most of us like both candidates.

Posted by: jock59801 | March 22, 2008, 8:06 pm 8:06 pm

atypicalwhitewomen….And your point is?

Posted by: Emilianna | March 22, 2008, 8:08 pm 8:08 pm

After the Wright and TAC episodes it is
apparent that Obama is intent on shooting himself in the foot. It looks
like if he makes it to the convention, He’ll have to hop to get there.

Posted by: Biker N Az | March 22, 2008, 8:08 pm 8:08 pm

Jock: well said!

Posted by: malthusian77 | March 22, 2008, 8:09 pm 8:09 pm

I strongly agree Hillary is not over.
I strong believe Hillary will win and should win.
I strongly agree Obama is running a negative campaign.
He is liar, he promised to run positive campaign, but he always attack Hillary.
He even dare not to show his senator recrod.

Posted by: golfgirlusa | March 22, 2008, 8:09 pm 8:09 pm

And Paula if you say the Boston Globe is not telling the truth because they are backing Obama then we can conclude that all media outlets are not telling the truth about the canidates they didn’t endorse. So how can we believe anything they say.

Posted by: myst | March 22, 2008, 8:09 pm 8:09 pm

Sen. Obama had just graduated from Columbia University when the Rev. Jackson launched his historic 1984 Presidential campaign and, according to published reports, once told the Rev. Jackson that watching him debate Walter Mondale and Gary Hart, inspired him

Posted by: ATYPICALWHITEWOMAN | March 22, 2008, 8:10 pm 8:10 pm

Let’s review what Lincoln said at a time when the country was faced with racial division and he was having toconsider who to stand by and who to denounce (the north or the south):
“I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true. I am not bound to succeed, but I am bound to live by the light that I have. I must stand with anybody that stands right, and stand with him while he is right, and part with him when he goes wrong.”
Yes, Lincoln was ahead of his time but he was not so ambitious that he did not hold true to what was right and stand with the racists of that time who embraced slavery. Obama does not have the good judgment to part with Wright and his chuch’s teachings. This leads to the perception that he therefore thinks they are right, whether he publicly denies it or not.

Posted by: DCVoter | March 22, 2008, 8:10 pm 8:10 pm

Kerry and Richardson already turned over voters in their states.
That means, superdelagates can turn over the voters.
Kerry and Richardson setup examples.

Posted by: golfgirlusa | March 22, 2008, 8:12 pm 8:12 pm

Obama is so much more talented than Hillary – he has had to work so much harder to get where he is in this race since he didn’t have the benefit of 8 years of publicity being the wife of the president of the US.
I’ll be saddened if he doesn’t get the nomination and yes, I would write it off as a failing of the electorate. But I’m not so stupid as some to taunt that I’ll vote for McCain in revenge. I’ll hold my nose and vote for a Hillary as the much lesser of two evils.

Posted by: citizenvoter | March 22, 2008, 8:12 pm 8:12 pm

Curtis – Clinton supports the 2nd amendment contrary to what you may have been told. Check the debate transcripts.

Posted by: DCVoter | March 22, 2008, 8:13 pm 8:13 pm

To West Coast Messenger and More on Obama:
Excellent job of keeping the focus where it should be.
The endorsement by Richardson was a DNC attempt to divert attention from Wright and disenfranchising MI/FL voters.

Posted by: Jayhawk | March 22, 2008, 8:13 pm 8:13 pm

At this point, Clinton supporters will vote for McCain if Obama is the nominee.
Obama supporters will likewise vote for McCain if Hillary wins.
There is no doubt that McCain will be elected President.
3 years from now, when we are still fighting in Iraq, don’t any of you on here complain or wonder what happened. You guys did it.

Posted by: LAGuy | March 22, 2008, 8:14 pm 8:14 pm

Malthusian,
I have to question your claim of “science” credentials since you are making a quantum leap away from the actual data, by stating that Obama is the most “insightful” candidate. How exactly is this shown? Are you suggesting that his twenty year history with Reverend Wright, where Obama stood silent as a mouse, shows insight? Did he show insight by bringing Wright on his campaign after he knew that Wright speaks in a publicly inappropriate manner. Today, your hypothesis seems to be based on alchemy, not real science.
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HAVE the AUDACITY to HOPE the DNC does not disenfranchise Michigan and Florida.
CAN WE COUNT Michigan and Florida???
YES we can, yes we can, yes we can!!!!!
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | March 22, 2008, 8:15 pm 8:15 pm

At this point, Clinton supporters will vote for McCain if Obama is the nominee.
Obama supporters will likewise vote for McCain if Hillary wins.
There is no doubt that McCain will be elected President.
3 years from now, when we are still fighting in Iraq, don’t any of you on here complain or wonder what happened. You guys did it.

Posted by: LAGuy | March 22, 2008, 8:16 pm 8:16 pm

DC … we meet again. Nice to hear from you, and good quote from Lincoln. But the fact is that Lincoln considered the “negroes” (as I recall the term) to be “inferior” (as I definitely recall the term.) I’ll find the quotes (there were more than one.)

Posted by: malthusian77 | March 22, 2008, 8:16 pm 8:16 pm

Im a black female and I am not a fan of Obama. period. If he wins the nomination I wont vote for him. Hes a fake, and a liar, and most of my race is so uneducated, that they are like birds of a feather whom flock together! Get a notion, have some backbone, will some of you!. Hillary isnt done with his behind and I hope he gets smeared through the mud. He stuck his foot in his mouth, and for all you people who hating on Hillary, yall probably just mad, cuz yall wanna be up there where they are! At least we KNOW Hillary is corrupt in her ways, Obamaa tries to come off so stinking clean and hes not flawless! you watch there will be more to come out soon!! He just wants to take the attention off him and his pastor but it will NEVER work..cuz birds of a feather do flock together Obama, so maybe you are the one who needs to drop out the race. He wont win.

Posted by: Madblackwoman | March 22, 2008, 8:16 pm 8:16 pm

there is a story at the final call that the watchers here do not want posted, is say that Obama knows where is loyalties lie and on who shoulders he stands,

Posted by: ATYPICALWHITEWOMAN | March 22, 2008, 8:17 pm 8:17 pm

Obama’s playing Tokyo Rose.
Not something I’d want to be called.

Posted by: s.b. | March 22, 2008, 8:18 pm 8:18 pm

This is a pattern I see when ever the election is closing, the Clinton camapign gets the media or manipulate the media saying that Clintons cannot win causing the people and its campaign to get fired up (negative motivation which is powerful one)or always playing the victim card this is how they won New Hampshire, Ohio and Texas. So Obama camp should watch themselves and should send measured responses without being cocky and as well as give confidence to the superdelegates that they will still keep the lead.

Posted by: Ravi | March 22, 2008, 8:19 pm 8:19 pm

long live John Hagee then.

Posted by: alexis compton | March 22, 2008, 8:19 pm 8:19 pm

“Yaaaawwwwnnnnn!!!”
“Hoo Hum???”

Posted by: Tom Albright | March 22, 2008, 8:20 pm 8:20 pm

Also, I would like to know why the media is not holding Obama’s feet to the fire for his incendiary and racist remarks about a typical white person and how that white person is bred.
If Clinton were to make a remark about typical blacks or how they are bred, she would be labeled with every insult that the Obama crowd of banshees could throw at her.
Obama’s typical white person remarks prove that he is of the same mind as his spiritual guide and uncle, the Reverend Wright.

Posted by: Jayhawk | March 22, 2008, 8:20 pm 8:20 pm

citizenvoter – a woman has to work much harder than a black man in our society. The statistics clearly support that and the media/societal acceptance of sexism clearly illustrates that. Obama did not work hard to get where he is today. He went to private schools. Clinton went to public schools. He did not face racism in Hawaii and was raised by well to do white grandparents and his mother. Both of his fathers where also not economic victims. Clinton was raised in middle class and worked hard even today to break the glass ceiling as a female in a male dominated profession as an attorney and as a Senator. She is much more accomplished in spite of the challenges she has faced. While black men do tend to have the highest rate of unemployment, there is no disparity in pay for those employed. Women still make 70 cents on the dollar compared to men and face sexism every day of their lives in society and the workplace.

Posted by: DCVoter | March 22, 2008, 8:21 pm 8:21 pm

she should go all the way. a “convention” is a selection process. why are dems so spineless? go gurl.

Posted by: tony | March 22, 2008, 8:21 pm 8:21 pm

that is ok i cause I don’t believe a word he says either, I read the speeches that Farrakhan and X and Sharpton have wrote and they are the same speeches that Obama is feeding to the american people , the only difference is when the others spoke them they were speaking to only black people, and it was to unify the black people against the whites,

Posted by: ATYPICALWHITEWOMAN | March 22, 2008, 8:22 pm 8:22 pm

Jayhawk,
Good observation. Hillary Clinton herself challenged Obama as being fearful of a re-vote and Obama dodged this. The press has a way of remembering these types of open transactions. By next Monday the Michigan and Florida debate will be in full swing again. I believe there will be street protests if this makes it to the convention and Florida and Michigan have been disenfranchised. I personally am willing to face down pepper spray for the right to vote and to be counted, and will stand shoulder to shoulder with any Democrat who believes the same. I’m personally willing to put some skin in the game on this one.
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HAVE the AUDACITY to HOPE the DNC does not disenfranchise Michigan and Florida.
CAN WE COUNT Michigan and Florida???
YES we can, yes we can, yes we can!!!!!
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | March 22, 2008, 8:22 pm 8:22 pm

It is interesting that so many people think that Obama sitting in that church for 20 years makes him somehow ineligible to be President, when none of you have any idea what Obama actually heard during those 20 years. But I guess if you don’t know you can just make it up.

Posted by: jock59801 | March 22, 2008, 8:25 pm 8:25 pm

CG – Sinbad’s version was debunked by military personnel. I believe them over him. The socalled video doesnt show the activities inside in preparation for the landing. Sinbad is an Obama supporter and a comedian looking for publicity since he is not making any money lately.
malth – Lincoln was a product of his time and we all agree that was a different time. Obama is apparently a product of Wrights time and certainly cant be compared to Lincoln (totally different childhood experiences and shaping of values). Obama clearly outlines his resentment of his own white heritage and his mother in his book and his actions. The office of the POTUS is not the place to work on his personal demons.

Posted by: DCVoter | March 22, 2008, 8:26 pm 8:26 pm

PaseoDelMar – What are you talking about? Hillary is not out front in anything, and is not likely to become so.

Posted by: jock59801 | March 22, 2008, 8:27 pm 8:27 pm

I have been so disgusted by this adminstration that I wanted to see a Democartic controlled congress and we got it. They are about as do nothing as the congress they preceded it. I wanted to vote for a democratic for president and got fired up with several candidates. Bill in SC reminded me of what I disliked so much about his adminstration. I have changed my registration so I can vote in the primaries.
however, all this bitter partisanship within the democratic party is making me think long and hard about McCain and the other GOP candidates. I was hoping for real change, but with this house divided, I doubt they can acheive it.

Posted by: scott jeffries | March 22, 2008, 8:28 pm 8:28 pm

You republicans are pathetic. Quit pretending you’re a democrat. And the rest of you just plain stupid for falling for this. Can’t you see what’s happening here.

Posted by: Sam | March 22, 2008, 8:28 pm 8:28 pm

I’m more comfortable with Hillary as our head of state than Barack. Hillary has the experience and mature judgment to deal with any situation in the world. Sure she has detractors but who in politics long enough have them? Pied Piper Obama has that gifted eloquence that is charismatic to segments of the population. We don’t really know that much about him. I do know that I associate with people of like beliefs and shy away from those I’m not comfortable with. Little by little we are beginning to know more of his association with questionable individuals. Senior citizens, men and women, know best and they are mainly voting for Hillary because she is known and proven. She is vetted and Obama, despite his soaring rhetorics, is not. The change I can believe in is Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: Paul Espinosa | March 22, 2008, 8:28 pm 8:28 pm

I agree with you Jayhawk. The black people would be so up in arms if the shoe were on the other foot! Anyway, if most of the people havent noticed there are certain news channels, radio stations, that are very biased about each canidate. You cant believe anything they say either. The Obama campaign wants the country to FORGET about the words from his pastor and move on to race unity, PLEASE. Don you know hes just scrambling around now trying to find any little thing to take all eyes off him?? And for all you people that dont know there are more people of non color in the United States so this means that if every black voted for Obama he still couldnt win. Some of you need to top listening to this jive turkey, as so many others have said Mccain got this in the bag.You wait until the Mccain campaign gets a hold of him, he wont survive and a lot of his supporters are going to look real silly. Go Hillary.

Posted by: Madblackwoman | March 22, 2008, 8:31 pm 8:31 pm

ATYPICALWHITEWOMAN – As you well know, Obama has repudiated the rhetoric of Farrakhan, and any one who knows him (including conservatives) admits that he doesn’t believe that black liberation stuff AT ALL.

Posted by: jock59801 | March 22, 2008, 8:31 pm 8:31 pm

I wish Obama would have waited his turn and paid his dues to run for the presidency. Now he’s come and and really torn this party apart. So sad.

Posted by: Charles | March 22, 2008, 8:31 pm 8:31 pm

Bravo Dave, well said.

Posted by: myst | March 22, 2008, 8:31 pm 8:31 pm

DCVoter,
Well said. Sexism is alive and well in our society, and this is the real sacred cow that the Democratic Party has not faced. Sexism does not run as deep in our party as it does with the R’s but there is vast room for improvement. When have we had a female head of the DNC? Ron Brown was a person of color in such a role, supported by none other than Bill Clinton, so the color barrier has already been broken by the Democrats. However, you’ve had had one male patriarch-type after another in charge. Women can seize control if they so choose, they outnumber male voters. They haven’t been about seizing control up to this point, but there will undoubtedly come a point in time where they are mad as hell and are not going to take this anymore.
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HAVE the AUDACITY to HOPE the DNC does not disenfranchise Michigan and Florida.
CAN WE COUNT Michigan and Florida???
YES we can, yes we can, yes we can!!!!!
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | March 22, 2008, 8:31 pm 8:31 pm

Typical White Woman also makes a good point about the source of Obama speech rhetoric.
Examination of speeches made by Malcolm X and Louis Farrakhan reveal the spirit, if not the letter of the bulk of Obama speeches. And, as earlier charges indicated, Obama plagiarizes without bothering to give credit to his sources. Bearing in mind the Obama tendency to steal words and thoughts, we can also deduce that Obama has taken positions and directives from his spiritual guide, the Reverend Wright. Obama’s method of delivery may differ from that of the good Reverend, but the core beliefs are still hiding in the rhetoric.

Posted by: Jayhawk | March 22, 2008, 8:33 pm 8:33 pm

The Obama camp is now misleading the voters by saying about Hillary to quit. They are now defensive because the reamining superdelegates are watching the polls opinion and the Penn primary. the truth is Obama was scared to withdrwa because of pride and the sponsors’s money. Their kind of politics is downgrading because they mislead and twist the fact that Obama was prodded by the six powerful superdelegates to withdraw for the sake of the party and here they go making disinformation about Hillary’s to stop her bid. i hope the voters would think with reasons about Obama’s campaign as a complete insult to them.

Posted by: ds | March 22, 2008, 8:35 pm 8:35 pm

Obama is the most erudite and qualified candidate. He has proved himself over and over again, most poignantly on Tuesday.

Posted by: malthusian77 | March 22, 2008, 8:36 pm 8:36 pm

Jock, as of thursday National Public Radio has Clinton ahead by 7 points. There was a brief article on MSN that said about the same thing.

Posted by: Biker N Az | March 22, 2008, 8:36 pm 8:36 pm

How anyone could even consider voting for the dodgy clintons is beyond me ,in front of the whole world he got up and lied without even blinking ,that in itself says you cannot trust him at all ,add to that the china connection with money and you have trouble ,she has been there for 30yrs and anything she was going to do should have been done by now dont you think and the things she did do failed what does that tell you ?? in the 2 for one deal she promoted well who in their right mind would elect billy boy again after his stint last time?as for obama who is ready for that ?? you must be kidding ,too many iffs for a leader of usa ,facts are facts and the clintons are yesterdays news and should retire .

Posted by: jack | March 22, 2008, 8:36 pm 8:36 pm

Charles, Obama isn’t tearing the party apart. It’s every democrat tearing it apart. To blame it just on him is ignorant.

Posted by: myst | March 22, 2008, 8:37 pm 8:37 pm

jock59801+++++++++++well then why don’t you go read the speeches and remember also that at the Farrakhan first Million Man March Obama was there, and after that is when he went and joined the church and stepped up his drive to get blacks to vote,which is what Farrakhan told them to do,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Posted by: ATYPICALWHITEWOMAN | March 22, 2008, 8:38 pm 8:38 pm

scott – the current Congress does not have enough of a dem majority to affect change… the reps block it… our terms for Senators require we vote dems in at least 2 cycles so keep voting for a dem congress so they can get close to or achive a filibuster proof congress… the other thing that is needed is a moderate in the WH, preferably a dem… mccain is a moderate also and is more qualified than Obama so my choices are Clinton or McCain… the only way for that to be our choices in Nov is to work hard for Clinton to get the nom

Posted by: DCVoter | March 22, 2008, 8:39 pm 8:39 pm

Malthusian,
So as a “scientist”, which you claim to be, you are saying that Obama proved himself with one speech. You don’t sound like any scientists I’ve come across because you’re coming to a conclusion by overlooking the historical data. From a science perspective, how do you explain the anomaly of Obama’s judgement to place said Reverend Wright, a known offensive character, onto Obama’s campaign? How was that a presidential-caliber decision? How much money was Reverend Wright paid out of Obama’s campaign? Do you even know or care? I think you don’t really care about the real data do you. You’re acting about as scientific as one of the Ghostbusters.
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HAVE the AUDACITY to HOPE the DNC does not disenfranchise Michigan and Florida.
CAN WE COUNT Michigan and Florida???
YES we can, yes we can, yes we can!!!!!
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | March 22, 2008, 8:42 pm 8:42 pm

It sounds like you are saying now that trying to get blacks to vote is a bad thing??

Posted by: jock59801 | March 22, 2008, 8:43 pm 8:43 pm

I am a white, 61 year old retired Air Force Senior Non-Non commissioned officer, who lives in South Dakota.
I am also an Obama supporter, not because I necessarily believe in his political objectives but because I believed that he could unite this country to face what is surely coming.
After reading what is posted here I am not so sure that the Rev. Mr. Wright is not right. God, with our help, may well have damned America.
Where is the Democratic Party of John Kennedy? What I see is the Democratic party of Lester Maddox.
After reading these postings,I am beginning to wonder if America has a future.

Posted by: Joseph G Thompson | March 22, 2008, 8:46 pm 8:46 pm

Conservative columnist David Brooks said last night: “…no one can say that what Wright believes Obama believes. That’s just not true.”

Posted by: jock59801 | March 22, 2008, 8:47 pm 8:47 pm

I’ve asked this before and received no answer so I will ask again. If Rev Wright is such a racist how was he the recipient of 3 US Presidential Commendations. So obviously there is more to him and he is only being portrayed negatively

Posted by: myst | March 22, 2008, 8:48 pm 8:48 pm

jock – viewing voters by race is a bad thing so yes pursuing them by race is a bad thing… Clinton puts forth a plan and philosophy that unifies people behind common goals that benefot all people… unlike Obama who plays the race card consistently… the buyer’s remorse that the analysts are seeing indicated in the polls relate to that aspect… people are starting to see he used race to his benefit… no other ethnic group is voting for him based on race.. the numbers dont lie

Posted by: DCVoter | March 22, 2008, 8:48 pm 8:48 pm

How can you declare the contest over when ten states need to vote yet. Isn’t it up to the people anymore

Posted by: Phillydemocrat | March 22, 2008, 8:48 pm 8:48 pm

To jock59801: Then, what does Obama believe? He has lied so much. We really no longer know what’s true any more.

Posted by: Jake | March 22, 2008, 8:50 pm 8:50 pm

Every blog I go too no matter what the article says it seems to boil down to Rev Wright. Look its simple Reverand Wright is not really heading a church but a political organization fronting as a church. In my view he is pedaling racial hatred and a black seperatist philosophy under the tax exempt protection given to religion. There is nothing more obvious

Posted by: Phillydemocrat | March 22, 2008, 8:53 pm 8:53 pm

Joseph – thank you for your service.
As a retired NCO I am sure you honored the non-prejudicial policies of the military. What is your opinion of General McPeak making sexist statements about Senator Clinton? What is your opinion of Obama needing McPeak on stage with him to criticize Bill Clinton? What is your view of Obama not denouncing the sexist remark as he said he would prior to that if it was done by any of his campaign? What do you think of someone denigrating a woman who is not only a respected Senator but also a former First Lady of the country you serve who has done much to support our troops then and now? Is this truly a man that you believe reflects the values of the military and our country?

Posted by: DCVoter | March 22, 2008, 8:54 pm 8:54 pm

jock
Apparently you didn’t bother to look at the link. If you had, you’d see Hillary is winning in electoral vote predictions. That’s because she won the BIG STATES, you know, the ones that count in the General Election. She’s up at 263 to Obama’s 202.

Posted by: PaseoDelMar | March 22, 2008, 8:55 pm 8:55 pm

myst – rewarding positive behaviors does not negate punishing negative ones… Hitler did a lot of good for uniting his country and grwoing his economy. Do we ignore his racism?

Posted by: DCVoter | March 22, 2008, 8:55 pm 8:55 pm

westcoastmessenger… blame your dems in michigan and florida.

Posted by: alexis compton | March 22, 2008, 8:59 pm 8:59 pm

1proud – Judicial Watch found the max $2300 contributions to Obama’s campaign under the name of babies in diapers. Of course Obama had to return the ones found by the media. FEC rules do not require age to be revealed when donating so there is no way to know how many people are getting around campaign law. Richardson had similar contributions mothers made in the names of their kids (mothers admitted to the transgressions). Peas in a pod?

Posted by: DCVoter | March 22, 2008, 9:00 pm 9:00 pm

ATYPICALWHITEWOMAN: I do not know whioh part of Texas you are from, if you are, but in the part of Bexar County where I live with 8 districts grouped together, we were told to very carefully write out the name of the candidate in full so there could be no messing with the C or the O. And, we had three monitors watching each person write in the caucus names. If you had problems, if Texan, in your area then provide the specifics to the DNC to be investigated. Personally, I would like Texas to double check that every voter is a US citizen. Heard of that possible problem in Bexar County? The law requires all voters to be US citizens not just residents, legal or otherwise.

Posted by: KiwiTricia | March 22, 2008, 9:01 pm 9:01 pm

PaseoDelMar – Who wins the Democratic primary has nothing to do with who will win in Nov – and the link was broken

Posted by: jock59801 | March 22, 2008, 9:03 pm 9:03 pm

If Sen. Obama is the Democratic nominee, it would be a big mistake! I am sure the Republicans are going to make Rev. Wright his running-mate in the fall. They will tie Rev. Wright around Sen. Obama’s neck like an albatross! Having not won single large state during the primaries and having manipulated the caucuses with small groups of zealots, but now not in play for the presidential election, Mr. Obama is going to find himself stuck! Now with Wright and Ruzko scandals Sen. Obama is quickly losing the support of independents and men. Remember, the old Ralphy is in the game too! If Sen. Obama is their nominee, that will be end of story for Democrats. The best chance of winning the White House for the Democrats is still with Sen. Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: charleschaplin | March 22, 2008, 9:04 pm 9:04 pm

Barbie13607
I’ll not post any more here and end with, I believe that few of the posters live lives that reflect the values held by members of America’s armned forces. Duty, Honor, Country. Most of you think only of yourselves and of what will politically benefit yourselves.
By the way, I thought the decision to go to war in Iraq was crazy. I e-mailed Washington D.C. every day leading up to the war. America ends wars we do not start them.

Posted by: Joseph G Thompson | March 22, 2008, 9:05 pm 9:05 pm

1 PROUDAMERICAN—- How? Because us small donors believed in OBAMA!!! I have given up in 100′ each month. Nothing crooked like HILLIARY.

Posted by: READY999 | March 22, 2008, 9:06 pm 9:06 pm

the visous comments about Hillary drives me mad!she is the best running,Obama is nothing but a big mouth!he is full of lies, he needs to go some where else, and leave our country alone,he will never get our country under his control by the office of president,this man can sure put on a good show but that is all it is,we as Americans will never put him in office, he studied in yale to be a speaker and that is all, if we have to do it we will go to the other side and vote for mccain, it is not his color that turns me off, but his past, and his policy of lies

Posted by: pearlruth | March 22, 2008, 9:06 pm 9:06 pm

the visous comments about Hillary drives me mad!she is the best running,Obama is nothing but a big mouth!he is full of lies, he needs to go some where else, and leave our country alone,he will never get our country under his control by the office of president,this man can sure put on a good show but that is all it is,we as Americans will never put him in office, he studied in yale to be a speaker and that is all, if we have to do it we will go to the other side and vote for mccain, it is not his color that turns me off, but his past, and his policy of lies

Posted by: pearlruth | March 22, 2008, 9:06 pm 9:06 pm

DCVoter, what I am saying is that some people don’t consider Rev Wright to be a racist otherwise he never would have been a recipient of those Commendations.

Posted by: myst | March 22, 2008, 9:09 pm 9:09 pm

The question is , Chelsea is catching up on what at her hedge fund? Please, come on, who’s kidding who. She is only a pawn in this whole process. Unfortunately that has been the story of her life. Hopefully this will end with her mama & papa’ demise. This will be the the positive part of the closure.

Posted by: reg | March 22, 2008, 9:11 pm 9:11 pm

DC voter: Thats political crrectness gone mad… he is no different the the white hate groups

Posted by: Phillydemocrat | March 22, 2008, 9:13 pm 9:13 pm

It’s not over and Obama’s camp knows it. That’s why they’re still aggressive towards the Clintons, calling fowl every opportunity that they get!
Hillary is a fighter, she is capable of still winning, and I’m proud to be a supporter of her’s! Go Hillary! It ISN’T OVER YET!!

Posted by: Ryan in Indiana | March 22, 2008, 9:13 pm 9:13 pm

I think it is time for the Superdelegates to decide. This has gone on long enough. Obama and Hillary are destroying each other, the winner is McCain. I am an Obama supporter, but if he did not win the nomination, I will support her in the General Election. But it is getting so bad now, that many Obama supporters will not support Hillary, and many Hillary supporters will not support Obama. Winner, McCain. Superdelegates, do your freaking job and end this. Decide now, before it is too late. The Democratic Party is in danger of losing the Presidency. This should have been a slam dunk election but now, McCain is looking like a freaking saint. Superdelegates save the Party and decide now.

Posted by: Raymond | March 22, 2008, 9:14 pm 9:14 pm

READY – Obama’s campaign only received 30% of its monies from small contributors. His unending source of money is not that 30%. Traditionally, democrats are outfunded by Republicans. Many of the rich liberals support Obama because they hate the Clintons. They are who backed him to run with the power of the Kennedy Kerry clan who are anti-Clinton. They are mad that Bill Clinton was able to take control of the party in 1992 with a centrist/moderate following and are doing anything they can to split the party and elect their lackey aka Obama. This is well known within the party with the propping up of him in 2004 at the convention and the “giving” of legislative efforts to him for amendments that would be tacked onto bills to make him appear accomplished while he ran for office. Senator Clinton has the backing of core democrats who are truly working class and the business entities who are ready to work with her to return us to a prosperous nation again. Businesses are suffering too… well except for the energy companies and defense contractors who support republicans. Obama’s largest contributor (more than any other Senator) are law firms made up of lobbyists. This is how they disguise campaign contributions. You contribution to Obama’s campaign is no more significant than someone in your socioeconomic status that contributes to the Clinton campaign. Obama is backed by big money from liberals and law firms.

Posted by: DCVoter | March 22, 2008, 9:15 pm 9:15 pm

Mcain has a secret weapon that will help him defeat either Hillary or Barack….Mitt Romney! That’s right Mitt as running mate to Mcain. The conservatives uniting with the Moderate Republicans to defeat Marxist communist liberals who for their own in fighting have doomed their party and possibility to win the White House!

Posted by: TIM | March 22, 2008, 9:17 pm 9:17 pm

They all have big donors; but Obama has more small donors than anyone in history.

Posted by: jock59801 | March 22, 2008, 9:21 pm 9:21 pm

Wonder if this will get posted? “A status conference hearing is scheduled for April 25, 2008 in Los Angeles to set a trial date in Paul vs. Clinton. The court delayed setting a trial date back in February, but a new trial date is expected to be announced three days after the all important Pennsylvania primary. Pennsylvania Governor Ed Rendell is on the witness list in Paul v Clinton. He is a key witness and is going to be asked questions about money he failed to report.”

Posted by: KiwiTricia | March 22, 2008, 9:21 pm 9:21 pm

Raymond I agree 100% with you. This needs to stop. If it doesn’t our nominee will be too exhausted to go head to head with McCain. Super Delegates need to stop standing on the sidelines and chose a canidate now. And whoever it is I will back. But this fighting has got to stop. The republicans are just laughing knowing that they will be in the white house again.

Posted by: myst | March 22, 2008, 9:23 pm 9:23 pm

Here in the real world, Brother Wright, opened the door to his other world, the world of bigotry, racism, and anti-Americanism that only Obama could have known. Trust me, you can spin it how you wish but middle America is smart enough to understand that twenty years of listening to Wright was no silent protest on Obama’s part.

Posted by: Dogsoldier | March 22, 2008, 9:25 pm 9:25 pm

I agree with Raymond that the superdelegates should vote one way or another at this point. The remaining states would then vote it out and this will be over so that either Senator Obama or Clinton can focus on McCain.

Posted by: MIguy | March 22, 2008, 9:26 pm 9:26 pm

I am so sick of hearing the whining, mud slinging tactics that have far to often become acceptable displays of reactions in the public eye. Some of you love to pick at the lives of others,and why shouldnt we, we want the best person man or woman to run this country, however you will always have those people who hate on Hilliary ( becuz of Bill, or whatever simple reason one can come up with) The media is too quick to dismiss Hillary, and I will say it again Obama wants to DISTRACT the public right now, he wants to paint a perfect picture of himself and what better way to do it then to create the “perfect” speech.. Yea, whatever.

Posted by: Madblackwoman | March 22, 2008, 9:28 pm 9:28 pm

miroslav discusses the Bosnia video and say: “Just this week Sen. Clinton said that she landed in Bosnia under “sniper fire,” adding: “There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base.” Clinton used to tell Iowa audiences:”
BWAHAHAHAHA. I watched that video too. And Hillary is yucking it up on the runway during a welcoming ceremony.
The Video does not show a high heeled mad dash to safety.
As a matter of fact, the large gathering of people hanging out at the ceremony. seem unconcerned/oblivious about snipers.

Posted by: The Commander Guy | March 22, 2008, 9:28 pm 9:28 pm

Philly – I agree and was very disturbed to find the hate groups that support Obama openly and dismiss his denunciations as just politics. having grown up in an area controlled by the KKK I can attest to their tactics. A candidate cannot control who endorses them but they can reject on principle. Obama did not reject Farrahan until he was publcily pressured by Clinton in the debate. He now does not reject the support of a church that honors hate group activities and beliefs. Claims to personally not agree with black separatism does not negate his actions to remain a member of the church and expose his kids to it. It enables black separatism and reeks of judgment issues. A person who is uncomfortable with his own heritage and who has been described by those who grew up with him as needing to be liked by everyone does not have the strength of character needed in a President. Clinton had no problem rejecting a hate group that tried to endorse her in 2000. She did not have to rescue him in that debate by pressuring him to reject. She is a true democrat and an American who stands on principles and exhibits good judgment unlike Obama.

Posted by: DCVoter | March 22, 2008, 9:29 pm 9:29 pm

@Dogsoldier: I appreciate your zeal in defense of Senator Clinton and your support of her. I do not think your comments will sway those who believe Senator Obama to be an honest and decent man in the whole. I think most people have made up their minds at this point. They have heard two intelligent people present their case. So a choice between two good candidates has to be made. Why now for the superdelegates? Because if they want Senator Clinton, they should say so now. If they wait, it will look like the election was “stolen”. On the other hand, if they support Senator Obama, then put an it puts an end to the bickering.

Posted by: MIguy | March 22, 2008, 9:34 pm 9:34 pm

Obama on Don Imus: “He didn’t just cross the line,” Obama said. “He fed into some of the worst stereotypes that my two young daughters are having to deal with today in America. It was a degrading comment. It’s one that I’m not interested in supporting.”
“Insults, humor that degrades women, humor that is based in racism and racial stereotypes isn’t fun,” the senator told ABC News.
“We all have First Amendment rights. And I am a constitutional lawyer and strongly believe in free speech, but as a culture, we really have to do some soul-searching to think about what kind of toxic information are we feeding our kids,” he concluded.
Can anyone say, WRIGHT?

Posted by: Dogsoldier | March 22, 2008, 9:34 pm 9:34 pm

Here. I’m gonna do a favor for you Clinton supporters who still think she has ANY chance of catching Obama. For your own sanity, you need to just give it up, and here’s the proof: Let’s say that some way Florida and Michigan have do-overs. That has about zero percent chance of happening, but let’s just say it does. In that case, for Hillary to catch Obama, she would have to win EVERY remaining state (incl. MI & FL) by a 60% to 40% margin. EVERY single one. And if we leave out MI & FL? Well, in THAT case, she’ll need to win every remaining contest by ….. 64% to 36%. EVERY SINGLE ONE. So, sorry to tell you this, but Hillary has about a one in a million chance of pulling this out.

Posted by: ratmach | March 22, 2008, 9:37 pm 9:37 pm

Rev. Wright talked in nasty tones about Natalie Holloway being killed and Obama says nada.
But he’s all over Don Imus??
You got to be freakin kidding me! Can you imagine the commercials the GOP is working on as we speak??
President McCain — get used to it!

Posted by: Jo | March 22, 2008, 9:37 pm 9:37 pm

Obama Talks More About ‘Typical White Person’ Grandmother Then throws her under the bus for the second time.

Posted by: Dogsoldier | March 22, 2008, 9:38 pm 9:38 pm

An article in the Washington Post today from a woman who left Rev. Wright’s crazy hatemongering church.
At least someone had the COURAGE….question is, why didn’t Obama leave?

Posted by: Jo | March 22, 2008, 9:43 pm 9:43 pm

I wonder what people are afraid of by taing this contest all the way to the convention? This is great practice for the candidates to prepare for an electoral race. This is a good opportunity to develop a defense for every topic that the RNC will dig up. This is great for voter participation and political education of the electorate. This is the first chance for many states and their voters to even have a say or impact on the nomination. This is a good time to see if the elected officials who serve as superdelegates have the strength of character to be held accountable for their responsibility to the party and to assess their judgment under fire. This is truly a historic race for many reasons. The two dem candidates just happen to be not “typical” candidates like the republicans tend to run. I am amazed at the number of voters who do not research and make decisions based on the candidates instead of their spouses etc. I dont judge Obama based on Wright or his interracial heritage. But I do judge him based on valid observations of his actions, record, judgment, experience, accomplishments, credibility, and patriotism. I judge Senator Clinton based on the same criteria. Why is it so hard for us to do that as a country? Because many of us were educated by a system that does not teach us about politics and so we are fed the media hype generated by the RNC machine.

Posted by: DCVoter | March 22, 2008, 9:45 pm 9:45 pm

It’s not over till it’s over and those desperate people supporting Obama that want to call it over, shame on you. He’s nowhere near the magic number, more states will vote, its a close race, so why are some people calling it over????? Obama who keeps saying this race is about the voters, THEN SHUT THE HELL UP AND LET THE PEOPLE VOTE!!!!! Stop deceiving the voters to think that its over and u have won or that you can’t be beaten. YOU ARE UNELECTABLE OBAMA. You are lying your way to everyday you are still on this race. QUIT NOW OBAMA AND TAKE YOUR NEW BFF RICHARDSON WITH YOU.

Posted by: Persio | March 22, 2008, 9:46 pm 9:46 pm

How bankrupt must you be mentally if all you can do is call someone by his middle name as the ultimate insult? Tell your candidate to go buy a blue dress, get out of the pant suits and go home to her husband.

Posted by: Carmela | March 22, 2008, 9:47 pm 9:47 pm

Bobby – that is not the same as the sr advisor IN the Obama camp who “heads up” the other company, in other words that person not only directly employs its violators but has a vested interest working inside the Obama camp. The tie you posted is not a direct tie like the one with the Obama camp. There are many people who donated to both campaigns.

Posted by: DCVoter | March 22, 2008, 9:50 pm 9:50 pm

I am not afraid of taking this to the convention. I just don’t want to. While we are fighting who our nominee should be, McCain is in his glory because he can just sit back and watch us destroy ourselves. I really want this to end now but it can’t because we have more states that need to vote. But I do want the Super Delegates to stop being cowards and choose because it will come down to them anyway.

Posted by: myst | March 22, 2008, 9:52 pm 9:52 pm

Just trying to help: Clinton 64% to Obama 36% in EVERY REMAINING CONTEST. If Hillary can’t do that, she can’t win (without a superdelegate over-ride… in which case about half the Dem Party will abandon her).

Posted by: ratmach | March 22, 2008, 9:52 pm 9:52 pm

TCG-How many times can Obama throw his grandmother under the bus in a week? Answer: Two . . . so far.

Posted by: Dogsoldier | March 22, 2008, 9:55 pm 9:55 pm

dog
under the bus….as many as you want.
So the Answer be….how many ever times to make you happy.

Posted by: The Commander Guy | March 22, 2008, 9:58 pm 9:58 pm

Huffington, Time, CNN, MSNBC, and Politico are all left-leaning media outlets just like FOX and a number of news outlets are right-leaning media outlets. Reporters at both are fed media hype by campaigns via press releases and daily teleconferences. Much of what we see is all hype and done in the interest of ratings which is how they make their money. It makes it tough on us to try to filter through it all. The facts are simple: the race is not over until a candidate withdraws from the race or the delegates and superdelegates actually cast official votes at the national convention. Neither candidate for the dems is a presumptive nominee. McCain is the presumptive nominee for the Reps but not the only one still in their race.

Posted by: DCVoter | March 22, 2008, 9:58 pm 9:58 pm

I think people need to realize that when HRC says it’s not over, there is quite a bit of precedence. In 1992, her husband’s candidancy was believed to be over with the Gennifer Flowers scandal. Then there is the Monica Lewinsky and all of the other associated scandals. They survived. There is also the impeachment. He survived. To Obama supporters, nothing, and I mean nothing is in the bag. Expect this fight to become even uglier because you’re not dealing with someone “typical.” HRC believes this is her destiny, and no one will take that away from her. Her worst nightmare is to go up against Obama.

Posted by: Adam Smith | March 22, 2008, 10:01 pm 10:01 pm

Dog, he didn’t throw his grandmother under the bus. I was born in the south but grew up in the north. I won’t get into all the racism I saw. But I was raised by my great aunt that used to turn off the tv if an african american came on. And that was only the beginning. And yes it made me cringe. His grandmother said things about african americans that he cringed at. What is wrong with that. How is that throwing his grandmother under the bus.

Posted by: myst | March 22, 2008, 10:02 pm 10:02 pm

Biggest reason to oppose Hillary Clinton: Her strong, longtime relationship with the DLC … the “Republican Wing of the Democratic Party”

Posted by: ratmach | March 22, 2008, 10:02 pm 10:02 pm

It ain’t over – it’s just beginning. The more we know about Obama, the more realize that he’s not the candidate we thought he was. Go Hillary!

Posted by: Monique from NC | March 22, 2008, 10:02 pm 10:02 pm

ratmatch – i applaud your effort to apply simple math. Unfortunately, that is not how it works. The pledged delegates can change they vote up to the national convention time when they actually cast them. Usually there is a small percentage that does change but the margin between candidates is too large to tip the nomination. This is race is so close that it matters. Currently, Obama is only ahead in delegates by 3.5%. The remaining votes will likely reduce that difference even smaller. So this is not just about superdelegates even though the media hypes it as so. It wont take many of the pledged delegates changing their allegiance at the convention to tip the nomination either way.

Posted by: DCVoter | March 22, 2008, 10:04 pm 10:04 pm

Shevotedforwar! I just found out about that Fellowship as well that Hillary Clinton belongs to. I was pulling up all the religious groups that the candidates belong to out of interest, then read your post. Other note: I watched Mississippi Burning for the first time last night on TV here in San Antonio. It was only 43 years ago! Many of the ‘members’ involved are still alive. McCain was about age 26 and Clinton age 17. Racism has not disappeared in the US since then. Many posters here were part of that era. For many Blacks it is living history. The last officially recorded lynching in the United States occurred in 1968. However, many consider the 1998 death of James Byrd in Jasper, Texas, at the hands of three whites who hauled him behind their pick-up truck with a chain, a later instance. But, by 2025 we whites will have to live with the fact that we will represent only 50% of the US population – eeverybody else will be the current minorities!

Posted by: KiwiTricia | March 22, 2008, 10:04 pm 10:04 pm

I think that Obama just should drop of the race and unite the party. He is a liar and not electable!!!

Posted by: jihn | March 22, 2008, 10:04 pm 10:04 pm

Shevoted – Time magazine is owned by Time Warner who also owns CNN. Time used to have good reporters but their political coverage has been seriously lacking in substance. I just cancelled my TIME subscription because of the biased op ed style coverage of the democratic race. CNN was also judged by their own media peers as providing biased coverage just like MSNBC although MSNBC is probably worse IMHO.

Posted by: DCVoter | March 22, 2008, 10:07 pm 10:07 pm

Nobody should be counting the Clintons out because they really don’t care about anybody but themselves and will destroy Democrats chances so that she can have another bite at the apple in ’12.
Anybody who doesn’t see that really hasn’t been paying attention the last year . . .

Posted by: SamTheTVCat | March 22, 2008, 10:08 pm 10:08 pm

Clinton’s up to dirty tricks again. If they are so great they wouldn’t need to stoop so low as to rely on character slamming assassinations as a good way for the publics to get to know the Holier Than Thou, Clintons.

Posted by: Madison Monroe | March 22, 2008, 10:08 pm 10:08 pm

Kiwi et al – if you want to do research step back and look at Senator Clinton’s work on behalf of civil rights and the numerous awards she has been given from many races and denominations. She is also Methodist and not associated with radical right wing churches. She has been a humanitarian all her life and has a record to prove it. You might want to consider the sources and look at all the facts.

Posted by: DCVoter | March 22, 2008, 10:10 pm 10:10 pm

DCV
She did vote for the war. She enabled GWB.
These are facts.
Why can’t you just say that Hillary made a mistake?

Posted by: The Commander Guy | March 22, 2008, 10:11 pm 10:11 pm

@DCVoter: I agree that the candidates beating each other up a little is a good thing in the end. The problem I see with the superdelegates is that at this point they will likely need to override the pledged delegates of Senator Obama. Well, in some ways, that’s no big deal because it is their job to do what’s best for the party. However, in most conceivable scenarios this will be considered “stealing” the nomination by Senator Clinton. I think it’s been widely supposed and reported that she has extensive support among the superdelegates. So let them vote now. There aren’t enough to let either win at this point and the remaining States/territories will decide the rest. Again, I think most have decided by this point on which of the two is their preference. So why bleed the donors in a protracted race that is no longer being run on the issues? Save the money and effort for the general election.

Posted by: MIguy | March 22, 2008, 10:13 pm 10:13 pm

jimmydg – i understand and identify with your struggles… the only candidate who can give us true universal healthcare is Clinton… if we cannot pay, the congressional plan is open to us and the cost will be subsidized based on income… McCain wants to continue letting the healthcare companies decide which of us deserves to live.. obama wants to mandate coverage for children but not for parents who need it to take care of those children… i heard the arguments between them… not being an expert i looked to the experts at MIT who analyzed both plans… many who are disabled would be left out of Obama’s plan but none will be left out of Clinton’s plan

Posted by: DCVoter | March 22, 2008, 10:15 pm 10:15 pm

TCG-Huumm? Let me see . . . was it before Obama threw his grandmother under the bus the first time . . . or was it when Obama threw his grandmother under the bus for the second time? Nope. Could be just before the U KKK of A . . . nope. Was it around G*d D*mn America . . . nope. Let me get back to you on that.

Posted by: Dogsoldier | March 22, 2008, 10:17 pm 10:17 pm

CG – Senators who voted to authorize military support for UN inspectors and provide approval for military action in Iraq IF AND ONLY IF WMDs were found did not make a mistake. They were right. BUSH was wrong to lie to them and the world by using it to wage a pre-emptive war. But of course you support GWB and just like playing around on the blogs to stir up trouble. When will you admit that?

Posted by: DCVoter | March 22, 2008, 10:20 pm 10:20 pm

TCG-Rush is a bad, bad, boy!

Posted by: Dogsoldier | March 22, 2008, 10:23 pm 10:23 pm

How come Obama supporters can see Hilliary dishonest stuff, but not Obama’s ???????????

Posted by: ATYPICALWHITEWOMAN | March 22, 2008, 10:28 pm 10:28 pm

MIguy – I am sure that Dean’s failed fundraising efforts for the DNC would love to be supplemented by funds from the campaigns (not sure that is legal though). He wanted this to not happen but the DNC committee controls many of these decisions like the schedules. He really has no power to make decisions unfortunately. We can if if if all day long but it wont change reality. Many of the SDs are uncommitted and I think they all should have stayed uncommitted so as to not influence the voters. If you notice, it is the seniors and elders who are wise enough to wait. It is their job to ensure the most electable candidate is nominated. My guess is they will wait until the pledged delegate votes are cast at the convention and hope that results in who they think is most electable. If that is not the case, I think they will have to deal with reality and it is their job to educate the party voters as to why they tip the nomination. Think about it – no matter what they do, half the party could say the superdelegates played favorites and went against the voters. If we had a national primary (same day)and pledged delegates were equally apportioned then it would reflect the will of the voters. The way we have it now, it does not reflect the will of the voters in the same snapshot of time. The SDs will have to deal with the buyers remorse that is happening too unless the pledged delegates responsibly cast votes based on what they think the will of the voters in their areas are at the time of the convention. That is how it is supposed to work in principle. We have to wait and see if it does.

Posted by: DCVoter | March 22, 2008, 10:28 pm 10:28 pm

Dog you said you live across the swamp from them…..what swamp would that be. What part of the south are you from

Posted by: myst | March 22, 2008, 10:29 pm 10:29 pm

Wow. I sure hope most of the self-proclaimed Clinton supporters on here are lying. I mean, I’d bet anything that nearly all of them are Limbaugh-sent Busheep in disguise. But if not, if these really ARE Clinton backers …. well then, Hillary is even worse than we thought!

Posted by: ratmach | March 22, 2008, 10:33 pm 10:33 pm

Sorry, logic prevails. Any person that sits in the pews for 20 years listening to hate messages (of any kind) and not inspiring change into a different message to a congregation of 1500, cannot lead a nation. He is a follower that can be influenced.
Obama is should not be elected.

Posted by: Julie | March 22, 2008, 10:37 pm 10:37 pm

Dog you like to spout off at the mouth but you really don’t like answering questions do you. You would rather belittle people. Why is that.

Posted by: myst | March 22, 2008, 10:38 pm 10:38 pm

@DCVoter: What you are saying might come to pass – except I do not believe pledged delegates would switch camps. Those delegates are selected by the campaign and my guess is that they are equally passionate about Senator Obama as some of the posters here. I’d like to think of the superdelegates as stately folks but in my estimation it is more political maneuvering (they might want a cabinet position or ambassodorship). You’re right – no matter what happens someone is going to lose and there will be sour grapes. I think the closer this is to the actual convention, the worse it will be. It will give more time for people to cool off and come to their senses to unite behind either candidate as they both agree on almost everything!

Posted by: MIguy | March 22, 2008, 10:39 pm 10:39 pm

Shevotedforwar!-Do you condemn every single one of Obama’s Super delegates who voter with Clinton on Iraq? Will you insist and write the Obama campaign and demand they be dropped from supporting Obama?

Posted by: Dogsoldier | March 22, 2008, 10:39 pm 10:39 pm

I will NEVER vote for Obama. I just do not believe he is for all Americans. I am among MANY MANY MANY people who will not vote/vote for McCain if he gets the nod due to racial fear. (I hear people spouting they will riot and protest if he does not get the nod.)So?? (To quote Chaney and hundreds of students I have taught in my past 13 years). They will only be hurting their communities. Not mine!!

Posted by: Bonny | March 22, 2008, 10:40 pm 10:40 pm

Myst-Boo!

Posted by: Dogsoldier | March 22, 2008, 10:41 pm 10:41 pm

TCG-Wrong. I agreed with Clinton at the time. I believe Colin Powell, the only individual I trusted in the Bush administration.

Posted by: Dogsoldier | March 22, 2008, 10:43 pm 10:43 pm

I can vote for Obama knowing I am voting for someone who had the courage to stand up and did not support the war to prove toughness.___________________You might want to go back and check his record on that , he has supported the war on every vote, and he did not vote for the war ,cause he was not there,

Posted by: ATYPICALWHITEWOMAN | March 22, 2008, 10:45 pm 10:45 pm

without having to read this article, that Hilary should start packing is quite correct. She really has no business running for president, and moreover, she has such as heavy personality that it thwarts whatever charm she may want to convey across the television screen.
She is not liked by many people, and obviously, Obama has inertia and has momentum. I am certain she will not win, and therefore, she is wasting the democratic parties energy and time.
Adios Hilary.

Posted by: lavampire | March 22, 2008, 10:47 pm 10:47 pm

I can’t believe that a true Dem would vote for Mc Cain….. He may very well win but to vote his in is just plain crazy. If Obama doesn’t win I will just stay home or write him in. But I will not vote for Mc Cain

Posted by: PDC | March 22, 2008, 10:50 pm 10:50 pm

Myst-Ain’t this fun? Love you too.

Posted by: Dogsoldier | March 22, 2008, 10:50 pm 10:50 pm

Hillary Clinton is just BARELY a Democrat. So if she quits now, maybe she could hitch a ride with McCain as his VP?

Posted by: ratmach | March 22, 2008, 10:51 pm 10:51 pm

there is not a person on her that voted for the war, for the same reason Obama did not vote for the war, we were not there, none of us, and neither was Obama, and like him we can 5 yrs later say I did not vote for the war, Obama also said he was not going to vote for support of the war which he do, Him and Hill voted the same on every vote except one which was who was to take over some generals position,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Posted by: ATYPICALWHITEWOMAN | March 22, 2008, 10:52 pm 10:52 pm

At least when Huckabee kept going and going when everyone knew it was a losing battle, an exercise in futility, he did so with a pleasant demeanor and not a whiff of a desire to destroy his party or the eventual nominee. To bad the girl from Arkansas can’t learn a lesson from him.

Posted by: Jackie | March 22, 2008, 10:52 pm 10:52 pm

DCVoter: So has Laura Bush received a number of awards and honors. It is not at all unusual to recognize a First Lady. Barbara Bush also earned a few in just four years. I am not against them being recognized for work they do as First Ladies, but Hillary is not in a unique league of her own. But, I am truly sick and tired of hearing about Hillary being a ‘fighter’ – I do not want another two-side “We will not work together” Government. Her word by the way – not a quote. She loves the word fight! How about “cooperate’ once in a while?

Posted by: KiwiTricia | March 22, 2008, 10:57 pm 10:57 pm

What the Clinton people never address is the math. There is no possibility of Hillary ever getting more pledged delegates or the more of the popular vote than Obama. To win, she would have to get the superdelegates to overturn the will of the voters. Not going to happen. Clinton people need to wake up.

Posted by: bgjd1979 | March 22, 2008, 10:57 pm 10:57 pm

KiwiTricia-Perhaps when mentioning fight you might want to cc the republicans who seem to prevent democrats from ending the war in congress.

Posted by: Dogsoldier | March 22, 2008, 11:00 pm 11:00 pm

Only wingnuts Like Hillary,
Sad And True..
Its the Axis of Incoherence, I guess.

Posted by: The Commander Guy | March 22, 2008, 11:00 pm 11:00 pm

HEY! A challenge to some of you rightwingers: Do a video search for Jeremiah Wright’s sermons. I don’t mean the little clips we’ve seen 24/7. I mean whole, long pieces of sermons. A bunch have been posted on the web over the past few days. Watch them and THEN try to say the guy “spews hate and racism”. Those little snippets, though definitely over the top, were taken TOTALLY OUT OF CONTEXT. In fact, much of what Wright says (in the full sermons) shows that he is, in fact, a GOOD man. And BTW, I’m white.

Posted by: ratmach | March 22, 2008, 11:00 pm 11:00 pm

Shevoted – you obviously havent watched the debates and interviews. Clinton said specifically if there is one vote she could take back it would be the 2002 authorization. Obama was not a US Senator but specifically stated in 2004 he did not know how he would have voted since he didnt have all the information to review. After that, he voted exactly the same way as Clinton did EVERY time. Then he followed her lead to work to end the war. He is simply using the issue to play politics… his record speaks loudly if you listen.

Posted by: DCVoter | March 22, 2008, 11:02 pm 11:02 pm

Kiwi I am not referring to awards as First Lady… I am talking about work she did before then. But if you refuse to look at facts that is ok. I dont blame the student, I blame teacher Obama.

Posted by: DCVoter | March 22, 2008, 11:04 pm 11:04 pm

The only thing that can be had with Clinton’s continuation is the destruction of the Democratic Party. She will not get the black vote.
You’re wrong. THIS RACE IS OVER. This is as if one team in the Superbowl has been blown out early, but the commentators are trying to keep you watching by saying that there is still a chance that they can come back.
Hillary can’t win in November, and she has already lost the nomination of her own party. Obama has more states, more popular vote, and more delegates.
“Sorry, it`s not emotional, just the math as Obamabots always like to point to in this primary and the delegate lead”
Tell that to the MAJORITY of people who have voted for Obama because he has won more states, popular vote, and delegates. I suppose we spent millions of dollars on elections all around the country for nothing because in the end we just have to give the nomination to the person that YOU LIKE. **** You. This is not Gore-Bush 2000 again. You cannot have this election without winning it, and as the math points out, you will not win the election, all she can do now is try and bring down as many people in the party with her in her sunken ship.

Posted by: Anthony | March 22, 2008, 11:06 pm 11:06 pm

The DNC will allow the votes of FL and MI or they will give the election to McCain. Obama will not be the nominee for the dems, his background will ruin his chances. The republicans will flash Rev. Wright (GD America) on the TV screen and “that’s all folks”.

Posted by: Norman | March 22, 2008, 11:08 pm 11:08 pm

DCVoter,
I appreciate your intelligence and passion and the simple fact you’re articulate puts you far ahead most of the people posting here. However, it’s frustrating that you fail to realize that intelligent people can disagree.
Clinton may have never been my first choice, but I respected her and would have accepted it if she had won the nomination fairly and squarely. I’ve researched policy and actually find Obama and Clinton to be fairly close on most issues. However, her behavior during this campaign has been very disillusioning. She consistently dismisses most of the country as “not mattering”, tries to change the rules to suit her, and generally basks in a sense of entitlement. She didn’t even have a plan for after Super Tuesday, which is why Obama was able to sweep twelve states in a row. To come from being consistently twenty points behind to becoming the all-but-certain winner is a political miracle, and I think it speaks well for his ability to sit in the Oval Office while strengthening the Democratic majority in Congress. While Clinton has spent all of her time in the “important” states, Obama has been, state by state, a grassroots coalition what will not only support him but other Democratic candidates in areas where they usually struggle. This, among other things (especially the last week, where he responded to controversy by giving one of the greatest political speeches in decades), really gives me sense that Obama wants to lead while Clinton just wants to be the President.
And this shift towards Clinton you keep talking about? I just don’t see it happening. Today’s Gallup poll puts Obama three points ahead, and there’s never been a consistent dip for Obama in any polls I’ve seen. These things tend to fluctuate (I’m sure they’ll each slip and rise a few points in the weeks to come), but there’s nothing to suggest that the Wright controversy is seriously endangering Obama’s support. We’d be seeing it by now.
What’s next? Clinton will probably win Pennsylvania (No one really expected Obama to win it even before the controversy, and he hasn’t been counting on it), but now that the Florida and Michigan revotes are all but dead, that’s the only card she has left. She’ll likely win West Virginia and Kentucky, but that won’t be anywhere near enough. As for the superdelegates, his response to Wright, his ten-delegate gain in Iowa last weekend, and Richardson’s endorsement all point in Obama’s favor, but I can’t be certain. I can just judge the circumstances and make a guess, and I think I’m making an educated one. You, on the other hand, seem to be pounding a round peg into a square hole.
I don’t expect to change your mind about anything; I’d just like you to maybe accept that others can study policy, observe the campaign, read the events, and then come to a different decision than you. That’s all.

Posted by: OregonVoter | March 22, 2008, 11:09 pm 11:09 pm

The one who is barely a democrat is Barack Obama. He has done nothing for Illinois and will clash with the latino community, it is hated by the jews and….is incapable and ineffective.

Posted by: RossyMas | March 22, 2008, 11:10 pm 11:10 pm

Go Hillary! There are more states to be won, more money pouring into your campaign, more superdelegates to win over, and Pennyslyvania yet to come!
If the Obama campaign was so sure that it’s “over” then they wouldn’t be so anxious and virulent in their attacks.

Posted by: Ang | March 22, 2008, 11:11 pm 11:11 pm

I mean she has run a Karl Rove style campaign now for months and she is going to attempt to do what Karl Rove did in 2000, steal a nomination that she has lost. I’d like to see Hillary attempt to get black voters, educated white voters, and young voters to turn out for her. This is over! but she wants to continue and destroy the party? FINE, BUT THE MEDIA BETTER NOT PORTRAY THIS RACE AS EVEN! SHE CAN CONTINUE, BUT THIS IS NOT AN EVEN RACE. OBAMA HAS WON MORE SUPPORT, STATES, DELEGATES, AND POPULAR VOTE, and ALL indication is that he will finish the race that way too. THIS IS NOT AN EVEN RACE. OBAMA IS WAY AHEAD.

Posted by: Anthony | March 22, 2008, 11:12 pm 11:12 pm

Anthony: You’re right. And I don’t know what Hillary thinks will happen if she DOES manage to win the nomination. Since the ONLY way she can do it is with some kind of back-room superdelegate deal at the convention, what does she think THAT will accomplish. It’ll not only mean blacks will stay home in the fall, it also means most young people, and virtually all liberals/progressives will stay home too. In other words, Hillary would get BLOWN OUT in the general. All I can figure is it’s the old, “If I can’t win, then I’m taking you down with me” mindset.

Posted by: ratmach | March 22, 2008, 11:13 pm 11:13 pm

We Republicans love watching Clinton tear Obama apart. Hope Hillary keeps-up a good fight to the very last Democratic primary. Then the Republican machine with a cross-over candidate like McCain can finish-off Obama in the general election.

Posted by: OC California Voter | March 22, 2008, 11:15 pm 11:15 pm

“Not bas enough that Rev. Wright wrote most of Obama’s lauded Race speech years ago and that Obama holds on to WRIGHT as a family member even though they are not connected by blood. ”
This proves right now and here that you are an idiot or misinformed. By the way, it was James Carville who compared the Clinton’s to Christ today.

Posted by: Anthony | March 22, 2008, 11:15 pm 11:15 pm

Hillary you can do it. Obama is weaker than my granma. You have the guts to be our next president.

Posted by: Johanna | March 22, 2008, 11:17 pm 11:17 pm

I’d love to see ONE… even ONE… Clinton supporter back up their claims with some math.

Posted by: Anthony | March 22, 2008, 11:18 pm 11:18 pm

The only lie that has been told lately is that Clinton isn’t sunk and done. She is finished.

Posted by: Anthony | March 22, 2008, 11:20 pm 11:20 pm

OregonVoter
You have GOT to be kidding me! Obama is playing an incredibly dirty campaign. Only issue is you Obamabots refuse to acknowlege it. That doesn’t mean he isn’t doing it. I think a big part of the problem is that a lot of his supporters are very young and have no clue how hard Hillary has worked all her LIFE for us. THey don’t remember her at the table during the congressional hearings for Watergate. Hell, they weren’t even born. That must be why they dismiss her incredible experience and commitment to civil rights to healthcare and many many more issues. Her record as a Senator is exemplary. They just hate o her because they are caught up in the Obama fever.
I sure hope it breaks soon. We need to win in November and we can’t do that unless Hillary is the nominee. It isn’t HER fault Obama is in this situation! He created it HIMSELF.
If you choose not to vote or vote McCain because Hillary gets the nomination, don’t complain when you are in Iraq for 100 years. Obama can not win now.

Posted by: PaseoDelMar | March 22, 2008, 11:22 pm 11:22 pm

Anthony-2025 delegates needed to win democrat primary. Neither candidate will get that number. So, we take it to the floor in Denver.

Posted by: Dogsoldier | March 22, 2008, 11:22 pm 11:22 pm

DCVoter: I have been checking as many sites as possible on all of the candidates for months. How much elected experience does DRC have? She has only her Senate elected experience and a number of her bills are to name places in New York. Let us not get into her Health Bill which even a Dem Congress would not pass. And, I firmly support the 10th Amendment which makes Health Issues a State issue not a Fed take over. Obama does have three elected terms to the Illinois State Legislature with 4,000 votes in addition to the Present votes that is an Illinois choice. As a 67 years old white female voter who is not poorly educated or in a low paying job, I am not at all easily led by the nose! I have been around since JFK though to see how the policies of one Administration do not suddenly end on the day they leave office. How interested would WalMart have been in Hillary Diane Rodham, being able to win the NY Senatorial seat or in running for President? I want a woman who has got where she is on her own two feet without a name handle. At this time, I am on the fence again about all of them! But, I want no dynasties – some are even thinking about Chelsea for the future. This is not the England!

Posted by: KiwiTricia | March 22, 2008, 11:23 pm 11:23 pm

To the people who’ve been saying “Obama/Gore”, I think that would be great. Not sure Al would take #2 again, and he’s definitely earned the right to be #1. But then again, so has Obama. Anyway, the two of them together would be amazing. I was, of course, for Gore in 2000, but I was still not a huge fan. But since then, the guy has become a MUCH better person, if you ask me. Still …. I think Gore joining Obama’s ticket is pretty remote.

Posted by: ratmach | March 22, 2008, 11:25 pm 11:25 pm

I am calling Sinbad a liar. The acting President of Bosnia, alittle girl and one other person does not make a “Welcoming Committee” fit for a First Lady. It was low key and private. If you look at the remainder of the video you will see that Former Secretary of the Army/Secretary of the VA, Togo West, stands by Hillary’s account of the trip to Bosnia. I have more respect for Togo West than I would have for some comedien.

Posted by: navyvet48 | March 22, 2008, 11:25 pm 11:25 pm

Why should she quit? She WILL BE THE NOMINEE! Obama is self-destructing right before us. The reason people want Hillary out is to allow Obama to win without competition–the way he won all his prior elections. If he can’t stand the heat in the primaries, then how can he win the General Election.
Hillary should stay in and fight it out on the floor. Anyone who care about our country’s future should agree that our country is worth fighting for. Hillary is the one who will do that!
Obama is the one tearing the party apart–no Hillary. If Obama supporters can’t handle that Hillary and others pointing out the truth/flaws in Obama–then maybe they need to find another candidate to support that doesn’t have his baggage. He WILL NOT win in November.
McCain was written off last summer and look where he is today!
Hillary keep fighting—We will keep lobbying for you!!!

Posted by: dfinke | March 22, 2008, 11:27 pm 11:27 pm

I’m a 28 yr old Independent. I’ve been a huge supporter of Barack Obama as has my wife since he announced his candidacy. We are beyond tired of Bush’s Presidency and are excited for CHANGE after many disapointing years of Republican rule. I’ve been reading many different blogs and find the debating between Democratic supporters both amusing and troubling. I find it troubling that some people can consider themselves a Democrat and declare that they will vote Republican if their Democratic choice doesn’t make it to the general….news flash on that one folks – this makes you a flip flopper. You might as well be honest and consider yourself an Independent. Better yet, go ahead and vote for McCain..one flip flopper to another. The way I see things, Hillary is going to stay in this to the end. She will not win the nomination, but will further divide the Democratic Party which is too bad. My last point is to those BRIGHT individuals who like to so elliquently type “Osama” instead of Obama or find it mentally stimulating to reference Hussein in EVERYTHING they write… My comment to you is to turn of your computer and forget about politics for awhile. I’m sorry, but some people just shouldn’t be allowed spread their stupidity.
Obama ’08

Posted by: Luke | March 22, 2008, 11:27 pm 11:27 pm

I’m a 28 yr old Independent. I’ve been a huge supporter of Barack Obama as has my wife since he announced his candidacy. We are beyond tired of Bush’s Presidency and are excited for CHANGE after many disapointing years of Republican rule. I’ve been reading many different blogs and find the debating between Democratic supporters both amusing and troubling. I find it troubling that some people can consider themselves a Democrat and declare that they will vote Republican if their Democratic choice doesn’t make it to the general….news flash on that one folks – this makes you a flip flopper. You might as well be honest and consider yourself an Independent. Better yet, go ahead and vote for McCain..one flip flopper to another. The way I see things, Hillary is going to stay in this to the end. She will not win the nomination, but will further divide the Democratic Party which is too bad. My last point is to those BRIGHT individuals who like to so elliquently type “Osama” instead of Obama or find it mentally stimulating to reference Hussein in EVERYTHING they write… My comment to you is to turn of your computer and forget about politics for awhile. I’m sorry, but some people just shouldn’t be allowed spread their stupidity.
Obama ’08

Posted by: Luke | March 22, 2008, 11:27 pm 11:27 pm

You Obama supporters need to understand something here. the McCain or the Clinton campaigns did not put Obama in this downward spiral. His own actions and behavior did. Beat him up instead of us. He has cost himself the nomination, not us. Or do you not beleive your own eyes.

Posted by: Biker N Az | March 22, 2008, 11:28 pm 11:28 pm

Why is it that only Clinton divides the party? What has Obama done that brings the party together? Why does everyone get caught up in Obama’s “Change and Unification” rhetoric? If everyone really looked at the issues and the polls, they would see that it is truly Obama who would divide the party and hand it over to McCain in Novemeber.

Posted by: Jonath | March 22, 2008, 11:28 pm 11:28 pm

Well, Hillary, after you have been kicked in the stomach over and over, you have to defend yourself sometime.
Once this is over and he is no longer having to compete with you, maybe he can get on with the business of making things better for the country, which is why he is running. With him, it is not about power.
Please drop out gracefully. If you keep your dignity in tact, you can still be effective in the Senate. Surely you don’t want to lose that.

Posted by: Linda | March 22, 2008, 11:29 pm 11:29 pm

Thanks OregonVoter -
Much of what you spoke of is perception. After all, voters cast their votes based on timing and perception. Politicians play this to the hilt of course. The RNC machine drives the media with its ploys without a doubt in this election because a division among the democrats is their best shot.
After all, the dem registration is up by 14%, the rep registration is down by 1%, the percentage of independents has gone from 26% to 44% in 3 years, and only 3 states have greater than 30% approval rating for GWB. Therein lies the challenge for the DNC. They lost a lot of party loyalists too and the Independents and swing voters will determine the outcome in Nov. This means the DNC must have a candidate that is electable against McCain with a united party.
My perception of Clinton’s tactics (not rogue surrogates that she quickly took care of) have been to go negative on the issues and this is appropriate for the party. The primary seasons is the pre-game and the candidates need to be vetted, tested, and challenged to prepare for the general election.
The Obama camp on the other hand promised a positive campaign with message of hope. He based it on his judgement and not experience (he admitted he has very little). He has parroted Clinton on the issues and cannot convince me that he has any command of them. He defers to wanting to put advisors in to do that for him and asks us to trust him. (This is just what Bush did.) He presents an image of the guy you want to have a beer with. (Just like Bush.) Then he talks down to people in a sermon-like fashion as if to raise himself up and assume they will follow as they are mesmerized. Great speakers do not make necessarily make great doers. His record is sparse and many accomplishments are simply just amendments that take a days work to draft and his staff does that. He is unvetted and as time goes by we are seeing some major concerns that make us question his claims of good judgement and credibility. Now we are seeing personal attacks and looking back it appears he is the one (started by his wife really) that plays the race card. Personally, I think it is she who manipulates him into that position so he feels attacked. (Her thesis displays that kind of thinking.) He cant go negative on the issues because he doesnt really understand them. He has no choice but to go negative personally and his camp surrogates follow Michelle’s lead with race-baiting accusations because it worked for him in the past. I think voters are starting to see through that now.
The latest polling done after his race speech show significant losses in the undecideds and some losses in his support. I dont look at just one polls or one source of polls. I look at the polling data and combined trends. they clearly show a shift to Clinton. If it continues and she wins PA by the margins that are being projected now, I think that clearly shows the buyers remorse.

Posted by: DCVoter | March 22, 2008, 11:29 pm 11:29 pm

Gotta go. Checking out Blue ray machine.

Posted by: Dogsoldier | March 22, 2008, 11:29 pm 11:29 pm

The mometum has changed. Hillary will prevail as the Obama campaign continues to shoot themselves in the foot and implode. It’s not just the Rezko thing, or the Wright thing, or the “typical white person” thing, that will bring him down, it’s the fact that he had a very weak resume going in. Saying you are against the war, but never pursuing any action that would make a difference seems to be typical Obama. The only thing that kept pushing him forward was the belief that he was a differnt kind of politician. As everybody can see by his recent exhibitions of talking out of both sides of his mouth-he is afterall a typical politician. He really is unelectable after the recent mistakes he and his campaign have made. The Superdelegates will only need to look at the direction the campaigns are going in the next couple of months to see that if they want to win the general, they will select Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: beachnan | March 22, 2008, 11:31 pm 11:31 pm

So far Obama has more delegates. I can’t wait to see what happens when the elitist Democratic party bosses choose Clinton instead. I wouldn’t be near the convention site.

Posted by: jijalagi | March 22, 2008, 11:31 pm 11:31 pm

Why should she quit? She WILL BE THE NOMINEE! Obama is self-destructing right before us. The reason people want Hillary out is to allow Obama to win without competition–the way he won all his prior elections. If he can’t stand the heat in the primaries, then how can he win the General Election.
Hillary should stay in and fight it out on the floor. Anyone who care about our country’s future should agree that our country is worth fighting for. Hillary is the one who will do that!
Obama is the one tearing the party apart–no Hillary. If Obama supporters can’t handle that Hillary and others pointing out the truth/flaws in Obama–then maybe they need to find another candidate to support that doesn’t have his baggage. He WILL NOT win in November.
McCain was written off last summer and look where he is today!
Hillary keep fighting—We will keep lobbying for you!!!

Posted by: dfinke | March 22, 2008, 11:34 pm 11:34 pm

Anthont—Here is your math. Put simply and without any spin. The Wright massacre has not even reached it’s peak. The TAC thing is still comming to fruition. Obamas credibility is shot.
the supers will vote for the most electable candidate. And you are SOL.

Posted by: Biker N Az | March 22, 2008, 11:36 pm 11:36 pm

Keep fighting Hillary… Great way to divide the party.
Obama for Change!

Posted by: Luke | March 22, 2008, 11:36 pm 11:36 pm

DCV
I am concerned about the lack of candor on the war vote.
It is possible that that to error is human is it not?
She HAS BEEN EXCEEDINGLY LAME here.
Sorry. But it is true.

Posted by: The Commander Guy | March 22, 2008, 11:37 pm 11:37 pm

lol…the Wright issue is done. Get a grip and get real.

Posted by: Luke | March 22, 2008, 11:38 pm 11:38 pm

Obama won most of the western states that always go to Republicans in every general election. He also won in the Deep South, again, extremely Republican. Most of the states Obama has won are already projected wins for the Rep. nominee. Clinton on the other hand has won every major swing state that the Dem. Party needs in order to win. She is also ahead in many recent polls about the General Elction showing her ahead of McCain in many Mid-western states that we need to win in order to gain the White House. Clinton is the only one who can do it!
Hillary ’08!!

Posted by: Jonath | March 22, 2008, 11:41 pm 11:41 pm

The War debate will win the Democrats the Presidency. Just waiting for Hillary to get wise. NO MORE PANT SUITS for the love of God!

Posted by: Luke | March 22, 2008, 11:41 pm 11:41 pm

But isn’t Hillary still good? I’ll still vote for her if she’s still good.

Posted by: New Yorker | March 22, 2008, 11:42 pm 11:42 pm

The Wright issue may be done amongst the Democratic voters, but it just getting warmed up in the Republican Attack Machine.
Folks who don’t see this as a massive political liability in a general election are delusional and the superdelegates are very sensitive to this as their goal is to win back the White House. Sorry Obama, but it’s not looking good despite being up in states, delegates and popular vote. It’s all fair because those are the rules.

Posted by: LOM | March 22, 2008, 11:43 pm 11:43 pm

Obama won most of the western states that always go to Republicans in every general election. He also won in the Deep South, again, extremely Republican. Most of the states Obama has won are already projected wins for the Rep. nominee. Clinton on the other hand has won every major swing state that the Dem. Party needs in order to win. She is also ahead in many recent polls about the General Elction showing her ahead of McCain in many Mid-western states that we need to win in order to gain the White House. Clinton is the only one who can do it!
Hillary ’08!!
lol.. And what are those swing states again…Give me a break! The states she did win wasn’t by a great enough majority and Texas was a wash! If you’re going to debate, speak the facts. She has no chance unless a heavy majority of Superdelegate go her way (unlikely considering HEAVY disgust by party old-timers of the downfall of Democratic Majority after the Clinton presidency) and also unlikely unless she wins the remaining states by 20% or more (dream on). Pack it in Pant Suit.
GOBAMA!

Posted by: Luke | March 22, 2008, 11:46 pm 11:46 pm

Bikernaz (and others): Hmmm. Where exactly do you get that Obama is in a “downward spiral”. Yeah he took a hit for a few days after the Wright story broke. But since then? Since then he has moved back up in the polls. His numbers now are just about back to where they were before the story. He’s picked up the Richardson endorsement. He’s raised more cash than Clinton. He’s taken 9 former Edwards delegates in Iowa (plus one from Hillary herself). He got the Resko thing cleared up (so says virtually everyone in the MSM). Sooooo . . . if that’s a “downward spiral”, well I can’t wait to see what happens when he’s starts doing good!

Posted by: ratmach | March 22, 2008, 11:47 pm 11:47 pm

Tim.. How is it that Obama is preventing these people from voting. FL and Michigan were warned and decided to go against the DNC…Cry me a river.

Posted by: Luke | March 22, 2008, 11:54 pm 11:54 pm

Well Luke,
Why don’t you go research the poll numbers. She did win the swing states. Why don’t you tell me which ones she didn’t win. And the Super Delegates are going to go her way at the convention, look at the recent events that destroyed his credibility and his touting of his judgement.
Hillary ’08

Posted by: Jonath | March 22, 2008, 11:58 pm 11:58 pm

DCV thank you for all the information you provide. I read the first post, yours.

Posted by: irma | March 23, 2008, 12:00 am 12:00 am

Luke – you apparently dont know the swing states and the math based on voter turnout. She clearly has way more electoral votes that can win her the election. Every analyst in both parties agree on that.
There are clear indications that the RNC propped up Obama as the weaker opponent for their campaign. They are admittedly cross voting to try and fix the dem race so the dems will divide. It is a known strategy of the RNC machine. An intersting turn has now happened because they are concerned something will happen to McCain so they are saying they will cross vote for Clinton to ensure Obama does not get the nom. Unfortunately, this is politics and nothing is fair as the dems want it to be because they are so stupid as to allow open primaries and caucuses in many states.
Bottom line now is the party is divided and the most electable candidate needs to be nominated for a chance to win. Given the party loyalists are supporting Clinton by majority and her electoral performance, she is clearly the most electable. Let’s assume the pollsters are correct about 25% of each candidates supports will vote for McCain out of anger. Clinton supporters are dems and a large number of rep female voters are expected to crossvote from the reps and indies for Clinton if she has the nom. Since she won electoral key states with her supporters from the core so she doesnt need Obama supporters. She had 53% of the black voting bloc prior to all the ruckus and they will likely vote dem anyway but she doesnt really need them to win. For Obama, he still needs Clinton supporters in key states and 25% of her supporters crossing over will give the election to McCain because he clearly has been unable to tap her core support.

Posted by: DCVoter | March 23, 2008, 12:01 am 12:01 am

It sure will be nice in Nov,, when we can all thank the DNC leaders for this mess, and we can give our New President a big congrats, President McCain,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Posted by: ATYPICALWHITEWOMAN | March 23, 2008, 12:03 am 12:03 am

At least we KNOW Hillary is corrupt in her ways, Obamaa tries to come off so stinking clean and hes not flawless! you watch there will be more to come out soon!! He just wants to take the attention off him and his pastor but it will NEVER work..cuz birds of a feather do flock together
Do you understand the words that are coming out of your mouth?????
I will never vote for anyone Corrupt ever I would rather sit this election and if the world isn’t destroyed by the next election I will get a chance to try it again

Posted by: PDC | March 23, 2008, 12:03 am 12:03 am

irma – thanks keep up the good work!
Tim – I agree, refusing to honor the DNC’s decision on MI was a clear block of voting rights. I expect a lawsuit will get filed similar to the one ongoing for FL.

Posted by: DCVoter | March 23, 2008, 12:09 am 12:09 am

DCV
What about Hills signature screw up, enabling Bush?
Can she ever admit to error is human?

Posted by: The Commander Guy | March 23, 2008, 12:10 am 12:10 am

DCVoter: Oh my god, you gotta be kidding. You seriously believe it’s Obama that Repubs are voting for bacause they think HE is the weaker candidate? Maybe you haven’t heard: In Mississippi 38,000 Repubs voted for Clinton (per exit polls); 100,000 in Ohio, and 120,000 in Texas. Oh, and one more thing: Did you know that a criminal investigation has been initiated in Ohio into “voter fraud” by Repubs who lied when they gave their reasons for switching parties “for one day only” so they could vote for Hillary? Did you know that the investigation is also targetting Rush “Vote for Hillary” Limbaugh?

Posted by: ratmach | March 23, 2008, 12:11 am 12:11 am

Well Luke,
Why don’t you go research the poll numbers. She did win the swing states. Why don’t you tell me which ones she didn’t win. And the Super Delegates are going to go her way at the convention, look at the recent events that destroyed his credibility and his touting of his judgement.
Hillary ’08
Hey Jonsh… wondered if you’d get back to me on that. I guess by you answering my question with… my question to you… says it all. LOL.. if you base you logic solely on polls you are going to be sadly disappointed in the outcome. How about Wisconsin.. last time I heard, she was “polled” to be a big deal there. News flash…she lost.
As far as your theory on Supers go… where’s your poll numbers on that theory? Also still waiting on your insight on these “events” that has hurt his credibility and judgement..try and not kick a dead horse on your explanation if you could.

Posted by: Luke | March 23, 2008, 12:12 am 12:12 am

Tim, the Wright virus is only the tip of the iceberg. Rev. Wright was just the March kickoff. The media hasn’t even gotten started yet with Tony Rezko, let alone William Ayers and Larry Sinclair, whom we will start hearing about over the ensuing months. The math likely won’t matter anymore by June, as by then it should be time for Obama to step down.

Posted by: Democrat25 | March 23, 2008, 12:12 am 12:12 am

Luke
People who have some age, life experiences and education know that Hillary is the best candidate. We are not into the Idol contest, but are looking at what’s good for our country and our kids.

Posted by: dfinke | March 23, 2008, 12:12 am 12:12 am

Hillary Clinton is CLEARLY GAINING SUPPORT. We know this because the media isn’t reporting her huge lead in Pennsylvania. She is gaining momentum but it is not being advertised in the press. The average, fence sitter is now showing a preference towards chosing Clinton, not Obama. This is the reason we are seeing a huge media push which is pro-Obama & anti-Clinton. The media bias only motivates MORE CLINTON supporters to donate money & become more active. Obama’s shining armor is starting to tarnish. Hillary Clinton in 2008.

Posted by: Richard Sincox | March 23, 2008, 12:13 am 12:13 am

Alexis,
Neither of them will have enough delegates so that point is moot.
KiwiTricia,
Go back and read Alexis’s posts. You can tell she is a young pup by the ridiculous stuff she is posting. I have seen it over and over again and yes from these posts you can tell who the kids are. Where did I say they didn’t have the right to vote. Vote for Obama,
I don’t care if you, Alexis or anybody else votes for Mickey Mouse, just don’t be bashing the other candidates.

Posted by: J | March 23, 2008, 12:14 am 12:14 am

Richard Sincox,
Th Quinepac poll shows her up 53-41% over Obama in PA, so yes you are correct. Too bad the rest of the media doesn’t carry anything good about Hillary.

Posted by: J | March 23, 2008, 12:18 am 12:18 am

Wow, I can’t believe that Obama is now linked to Passportgate!! This man is full of surprises!! Why is it that I am only finding the story on CNN and one other site? Typical!! If it was Hillary it would be breaking news on every channel!! This is huge, Obama’s foreign policy adviser is the CEO of the company that peeked?Incredible,..though not surprising,..everyday we learn something new!!
NOBAMA 08

Posted by: Jerry | March 23, 2008, 12:18 am 12:18 am

PDC: Sitting out an election also means you do not get to vote on your Congressional choices if on the ballot in your State or on local issues either. Something like being between a rock and a hard place! Obamadefector: I was surprised at how many Hispanics, educated and decent jobs, are already Republican in my area, San Antonio, Texas. Co-workers told me they objected to being constantly considered part of the poorly educated and low income group to be a Dem vote. I think the Dems need to rethink their manifesto or whatever they call it as to what is their core voter base. I considered your math, but think McCain might stand a better chance than you think against Clinton. The younger voters and Independents may make a big difference by veering off. Also, a lot might depend on his choice of VP. We don’t really know how skewed the Dem cauceses and primaries were since the Dem process is not limited to registered Dems – daffy process to say the least!

Posted by: KiwiTricia | March 23, 2008, 12:22 am 12:22 am

Step 1: Clinton wins the nomination through some back-room, superdelegate deal at the convention. Step 2: Nearly all blacks, young voters, and liberals/progressives stay home on election day. Step 3: John McCain wins by a landslide of historic proportions. IS THAT WHAT YOU CLINTON SUPPORTERS WANT?

Posted by: ratmach | March 23, 2008, 12:22 am 12:22 am

J – Forbes has gotten into the game and is projecting Clinton takes PA with 57%.
edvard – I think a lot of people dont realize that we cannot have another immature president who cant handle communications with other cultures. If he cant handle the this little benign stuff in this race, how will he handle other country’s leaders who will not be using kid gloves?

Posted by: DCVoter | March 23, 2008, 12:23 am 12:23 am

I am disgusted by the fact that the media, still, worships at the altar of Obama, yet after everything that has come to light about him. He is a disgrace and I believe its too late to mend the party. I would cast my vote for Hillary if she was the nominee, but I intend to vote McCain if Barack should get the nod. And this trend in those pledging to defect and vote McCain has been reported on for supporters of each democratic camp. Provided that does happen, percentages for each Hillary/Obama are running roughly at about 50%. In 2000 (remember hanging chads?) the percentages were split 47.9% Bush/48.4% Gore and in 2004 it was about 50 Bush/48 Kerry. So, I’m thinking any percentage of defects above 3% or so of dems that split from the party lines and McCain will be the next president. Just something to think about.

Posted by: lucylinc | March 23, 2008, 12:25 am 12:25 am

Wolfson is right: why should Hillary quit when plenty of Pennsylvanians cannot wait to vote for her? It would be cruel.
However, I’m surprised that Wolfson is just now speaking out about Obama’s negative tactics. It’s a little late. Obama has been attacking Hillary since the start of the primary.
As an American citizen, I’m against Obama becoming president. By voting for Obama, I would be condoning:
–disenfranchisement
–plagiarism
–double-speak
–accusing people who do not support him of being racists
–accepting hate
–incompetence
By voting for Hillary Clinton, I support:
–enfranchisement
–hard work
–determination
–toughness
Hillary Clinton has faced Republicans for 16 years, and they still haven’t stopped her. Obama has outspent her in every state, has had all the media attention, and yet has NOT closed the deal.

Posted by: Millie | March 23, 2008, 12:25 am 12:25 am

This is amazing,..Obama’s Foreign Policy advise who is CEO of the company that peeked at passports, former CIA,..wow,..PASSPORTGATE!! I can’t wait to see how Obama will try to spin this one!!
NOBAMA 08

Posted by: Jerry | March 23, 2008, 12:28 am 12:28 am

DC VOTER,
Well, that’s even better! :)

Posted by: J | March 23, 2008, 12:29 am 12:29 am

Luke
I can tell you and Obama have a lot in common. You complain about the negative postings on this board and then turn around and post 10+ yourself.

Posted by: dfinke | March 23, 2008, 12:30 am 12:30 am

The basic thing is.. Hillary supporters think Obama is inexperienced and will vote McCain is he is the nominee. Obama supporters find Hillary to be old school politics and want a change from the Bush-Clinton-Bush(Clinton*) rerun and will vote MCain if she somehow wins. It will be interesting to watch, but I still don’t see her winning guys and gals!

Posted by: Luke | March 23, 2008, 12:32 am 12:32 am

yes lucy – it is a challenge for the DNC elders no matter who gets the nom. Given the fact that a large part of Obama’s supporters are not true dems, and many would not vote for him now that vetting has revealed some things that negate his campaign premise, I suspect the polling trends indicating buyer’s remorse would swing the ones that are dems to Clinton. Why do I say that? Because the trends are showing it over the course of the week and the undecideds are leaning to Clinton after the speech on race. This is Richardson chose this time to endorse so that Obama will owe him big… but that wont matter if he cant win in Nov. This is where Obama is hurting because most of the country is moderate as are Clinton and McCain leading me to believe the “reagan democrats” will vote for McCain if Clinton is not the nom.

Posted by: DCVoter | March 23, 2008, 12:32 am 12:32 am

Luke,
It seems as if you cannot produce any real substance with the words you write. Why don’t you do some research and get back to me, and then we’ll talk. I know what i am talking about, but you surely don’t.
Hillary ’08

Posted by: Jonath | March 23, 2008, 12:33 am 12:33 am

Actually Millie – she has faced down the RNC barrel for 29 years. Dont forget they went after her in Arkansas too. She has actively campaigned with Bill 14 of those years prior to the 8 in the WH years and the 7 in the Senate races.

Posted by: DCVoter | March 23, 2008, 12:35 am 12:35 am

The pledged Delegates will start to “unpledge” for Obama and re-pledge for Hillary,..Obama is done,..he is so flawed that he can never win the general election at this point!! First Pastor Wrong and now Passportgate!! This guy is done!!
NOBAMA 08

Posted by: Jerry | March 23, 2008, 12:36 am 12:36 am

Are you kidding me? Obama’s Foreign policy adviser/ ceo/ former CIA? This is just another example of Obamas lies!! He will be exposed as the snake that he is,..polls are already trending down for him and now after calling for an investigation,..it turns out he is linked to this by someone on his campaign!! He is done!! Anybody who dimisses this as “nothing” is in serious denial and has been drinkin the Kool-Aid!!
NOBAMA 08

Posted by: Jerry | March 23, 2008, 12:41 am 12:41 am

ATYPWW – the media stated last week they have to fill the time and you bet they are vetting and hyping. There is no doubt we will be seeing more soon. One thing I noticed is the chronology of the passport thing.
1) reporter gets tip from Obama camp and asks Condi Rice about passport breach
2) Condi knew nothing about it and launches investigation
3) Obama expresses outrage (looks fake)
4) McCain and Clinton also had breaches and the first company appears to have no political ties (both look into it)
5) Turns out there was a second company headed up by one of Obama’s sr advisors OOPS
It looks to me like that couldve been a setup by the Obama camp that backfired.

Posted by: DCVoter | March 23, 2008, 12:41 am 12:41 am

Thanks DCVoter for the insight. I guess I wasn’t really considering the fact of Obama’s previous cross-party appeal in my percentage quest. So I guess I’m a Reagan democrat. Who knew?

Posted by: lucylinc | March 23, 2008, 12:43 am 12:43 am

Senator Obama’s campaign, based solely on empty slogans and meaningless rhetoric, has “flourished” thus far, mainly from strong support across racial lines and some “affluent” left-wingers whose only challenge daily is determining which Starbucks will be honored with their presence, although hobbling as of late due to primary losses in Ohio and Texas, questions regarding patriotism of both the Senator and his wife, and coupled with the Reverend Wright debacle. Simple arithmetic tells me that neither Obama nor Clinton will have the necessary delegates to win the nomination and, therefore, if the Democratic Party wants to put up its strongest candidate in November, without question, that candidate is Senator Clinton. The Obama campaign, at present, appears to be quite unraveled and desperately resorting to spreading false rumors and slinging mud which, at the rate it is being slung, may dry up America’s river beds. Once again, the wise choice for the Democratic nomination is Senator Clinton.

Posted by: mongo100 | March 23, 2008, 12:43 am 12:43 am

To: ratmach — Yes, Obama is the weaker candidate. He will be easier to destroy in the general election. If Obama is “shaken” from the recent bad press of his long time association with Rev. Wright, he will be whisked, blended & chopped to a liquified state by the Republican machine. To not see this coming is grossly naive. Many voters will chose a moderate Republican war hero with experience over an inexperienced, unproven candidate. Democrats wanted McCain to be Kerry’s running mate in 2004. Conservatives see McCain as the third Democrat running for the presidency. Democrats should have joined forces months ago. BOTH OBAMA & CLINTON ARE DESTROYING THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IN A “UNITED” FASHION, LIKE PARENTS INVOLVED IN A BITTER DIVORCE, THEY DESTROY THE FAMILY, SEEKING CUSTODY OF THE NOMINATION. McCain has a very good chance of being the next President of the United States — regardless of the Democratic nominee.

Posted by: M. Saint | March 23, 2008, 12:44 am 12:44 am

Many on this blog are republicans and would not vote for Barack Obama or any black person for that matter.

Posted by: culpeperson | March 23, 2008, 12:45 am 12:45 am

Just two people looking for CHANGE obama/democrat defector.

Posted by: Luke | March 23, 2008, 12:45 am 12:45 am

I frankly believe it is good that this campaign will be decided in Denver. It’s invigorating to see that every vote from every state is making a difference. The Democrats will be foolish to ignore the Florida and Michigan voters especially since a Republican legislature in Florida moved the dates.
p.s. I agree with Millie’s remarks. At the beginning I was voting for Hillary. Now I’m voting for Hillary but voting against Obama.

Posted by: ccbgt74 | March 23, 2008, 12:47 am 12:47 am

How come the two employees from the company with ties to Hillary (Stanley) both were fired, but the employee from the company with Obama ties (Analysis) still has his job?

Posted by: Democrat25 | March 23, 2008, 12:47 am 12:47 am

I think a big part of the problem is that a lot of his supporters are very young and have no clue how hard Hillary has worked all her LIFE for us.
Thanks for the compliment I am 54 years young

Posted by: PDC | March 23, 2008, 12:49 am 12:49 am

Obama wants to talk to America’s enemies and bomb America’s allies. Now, why would that be?

Posted by: Roger Miller | March 23, 2008, 12:49 am 12:49 am

I think it very disingenous when people talk as if they “know” how others will vote. The only vote you know for sure is your own. If you support Clinton or Obama, but would rather vote for McCain if your candidate loses the nomination then it is clear you are not voting on the issues. I’m convinced a Democrat will win the Presidency this year; mostly because of the economy.

Posted by: MIguy | March 23, 2008, 12:51 am 12:51 am

On interview with a local reporter in Portland ,Oregon Obama was asked how he will fund all the programs he promises American people.
His answer was “Just start the program”
He also mention the health issue program will take 2 years.

Posted by: crisis08 | March 23, 2008, 12:52 am 12:52 am

Republicans have screwed up the country and the economy so bad, perhaps they should be elected to clean up the mess that Bush made. The again, we will never get to the bottom of the investigations on why Bush went to war, torture, wiretapping, Wrecking the economy at the expense of the middle class, bailling out the hedge fund managers. One hedge fund manage made 1 billion dollars in one year and now the Fed is using tax dollars to bailout a private investment bank where the 10,000 executive got six figure bonuses last christmas. Beat up on welfare (Black) mothers, but nary a word about wall street with their hand in our pockets.

Posted by: culpeperson | March 23, 2008, 12:53 am 12:53 am

Culperson: I think you’re exactly right. There’s no way most of these people can actually be Clinton supporters as they claim to be. I know Hillary is pretty conservative (a good, loyal DLCer, which is one reason I oppose her). But she’s definitely not as bad as her so-called “supporters” on here.

Posted by: ratmach | March 23, 2008, 12:53 am 12:53 am

Hillary needs to stay in it until the end, at this point Obama will self destruct and people will start to realize she is the Dems only hope against McSame,…Obama is losing ground daily!!

Posted by: Jerry | March 23, 2008, 12:55 am 12:55 am

I think it very disingenous when people talk as if they “know” how others will vote. The only vote you know for sure is your own. If you support Clinton or Obama, but would rather vote for McCain if your candidate loses the nomination then it is clear you are not voting on the issues. I’m convinced a Democrat will win the Presidency this year; mostly because of the economy.
*Thank you to MiGuy for a great post! I agree totally!

Posted by: Luke | March 23, 2008, 12:55 am 12:55 am

@RM: We shouldn’t talk to our enemies? What then? And I’m not convinced a puppet government in Pakistan are allies of the U.S. – I’m even less convinced that we have allies in Waziristan.

Posted by: MIguy | March 23, 2008, 12:56 am 12:56 am

Alot of you either don’t remember or were still in diapers back when Clinton was in office. The economy was doing well in his 8 years as President.

Posted by: J | March 23, 2008, 12:58 am 12:58 am

yes mongo -
One point many of the Obama supporters dont realize is that the liberal latte behind Obama will fair just fine economically no matter what happens and they can play their little political game in 2012 if they dont get their way. This has always been their way, they dont care about the majority of Americans who are suffering at the hands of the Rep party’s failed policies. The liberal latte benefits no matter who is in power UNLESS it is a democrat like Clinton who truly works for and cares for the middle class and all the races and genders. They didnt like Bill taking control of the party and are mad. They take it out on Hillary because she stands up to them and makes sure that we do have bipartisan progress even if it isnt exactly what she wants.
She has earned the respect of many Democrats and Republicans as a result of her hard work, due diligence, foreign relations experience, and outstanding political prowess. She is a humanitarian turned politician so she can bring about the changes needed for everyone to prosper and have the basic necessities in life like adequate healthcare and equal opportunity.
Obama is a career politician who uses disguised humanitarian efforts to advance his position. We have already seen some shady deals to be vetted: Rezko, state earmarks to his wifes employer, earmarks for nuclear companies who fund his campaigns, and now stock in a biotech firm that benefitted from his legislation. His claim to lobbying transparency was to vote against the original bill then pass a new one tht allows lobbyists to still wine and dine without transparency as long as the “diners” stand up to eat.

Posted by: DCVoter | March 23, 2008, 1:01 am 1:01 am

One more incident like Obama’s Wright- gate….. and it’s curtains for Obama. That’s why you can tell Axelrod and the rest of Obama’s king pins, are nervous and paranoid. I believe they know a second incident is coming, and I think they even know what it is. You can tell by the way they have abandoned his “New kind of politics” theme, and are using LBJ’s old trick. You deliberately put our false accusations or info about your opponent, so they have to deny it. It’s a tawdry and unscrupulous trick. It didn’t to well work for LBJ, and it won’t work for Obama, either.

Posted by: KDH55 | March 23, 2008, 1:06 am 1:06 am

PDC – I agree. Many of the young voters do not know what it was like before the 90′s (bad), during the 90′s (good), and that many of them have the opportunities they have today because of work she and others have done to create them. My mother, social researcher/statistician/psychologist told me earlier that one of the primary reasons they are finding for young voters supporting Obama is… get this… because he wont make them pay for health insurance.

Posted by: DCVoter | March 23, 2008, 1:06 am 1:06 am

Trigger: you and the rest of the Clinton
supporters are living in a Dream World!
The Pledged delegates wouldn’t dare
defy the will of the people and vote for
Hillary! Neither will the super delegates! This is Not Russia or Cuba or
Venezuela! The Democrat Party is like
Humpty Dumpty right now!
If the nomination is Stolen from Obama you won’t be able to put the pieces back together again for decades!

Posted by: reaganfan | March 23, 2008, 1:06 am 1:06 am

@DCVoter: She still has very high negative poll numbers in spite of what you noted. The mud that the Republicans slung 15 years ago is still sticking whether rightly or wrongly. I think the folks in Senator Obama’s camp feel just as strongly in what you are saying, except replacing his name for Senator Clinton’s.
Anyway, I concede the evening to you. G’night and best wishes to all.

Posted by: MIguy | March 23, 2008, 1:09 am 1:09 am

I find it entertaining when people say that “the superdelegates will not defy the will of the people” that is exactly what Richardson did today!! He has set the precedent for it, he endorsed Obama and the people of New Mexico voted for Hillary,..this will ultimately work for Hillary as people start to peel away from Obama!! She can use this traitor as an example that it is OK!!

Posted by: Jerry | March 23, 2008, 1:11 am 1:11 am

MIguy – great sentiments but I want to be sure you know I am looking at things from a statistical perspective and dont necessarily think I “know” how another person will vote unless they tell me… statistics can be a good predictor of mass voting patterns when analyzed properly… this is a primary tool of every political campaign and action… when they use bad stats or bad judgment like Bush things backfire and put us into historic elections like we are in now

Posted by: DCVoter | March 23, 2008, 1:13 am 1:13 am

To: MiGuy — You said, “I think it very disingenous when people talk as if they “know” how others will vote.”
I agree. Many polls advertised that Obama would win Texas/possibly Ohio. Voters chose Hillary Clinton. The polls are predictions. The final tabulations are fact. A majority of voters in large states have picked Clinton over Obama. I hope she continues to fight for the nomination so others can also vote for her.

Posted by: Patricia Compton | March 23, 2008, 1:18 am 1:18 am

Jerry: I assume you think Richardson is stupid, right? Why else would he endorse a “loser”? He abandons his long-time friends for a “loser”. He’s so stupid that he doesn’t realize a bunch of other Supers are gonna leave Obama and go over to Hillary, right?. What an idiot this Richardson guy must be!

Posted by: ratmach | March 23, 2008, 1:20 am 1:20 am

whoever said the wright scandal is over must not be watching the news… if it is over why did obama once again feel the need to have another speech justifying his support for wright LOL
the republicans gave him credit for the speech making but have said all week that he did not “hit the mark” which apparently the polls agree with since significant percentages of undecided voters among dems, reps, and indies (the greatest difference) found him a less favorable candidate after the speech
apparently it is still a major issue

Posted by: DCVoter | March 23, 2008, 1:20 am 1:20 am

Obama’s got some more “Splanin” to do!!! He is proving that he is old school politics as usual!!! People are finally seeing that it is all smoke and mirrors with Obama!!
Watch him dance,…..

Posted by: Jerry | March 23, 2008, 1:20 am 1:20 am

ratmach – i think Richardson is an opportunistic politician (they all are) who is out of a job soon… he doesnt stand to gain much if anything by endorsing Clinton… but Obama will owe him big if he could get the attn off of the Wright scandal and cut into the hispanic vote… simple logic works but it will be unusual if he gets the hispanic swing based on race (another divisive tactic by the Obama camp) because he never really had much support from Hispanics and they are very loyal to Clinton as evidenced in CA, NV, AZ, NM, and TX

Posted by: DCVoter | March 23, 2008, 1:25 am 1:25 am

Ratmach,
I sent an email to Richardson’s office today to tell him thanks for setting the precedent for not following the will of his state. He has gone against what Pelosi said and has set a precedent that will come into play down the road,..especially since I believe the momentum will now be with Hillary. I believe that based on the people that I know throughout the country that a lot of people wish they could take their votes back now!! I will wait to see how this new scandel will play out with his connection to passportgate, but yes in my opinion, Richardson is a traitor and Judas,…what a loser.

Posted by: Jerry | March 23, 2008, 1:25 am 1:25 am

@DCVoter & Patricia Compton: Absolutely – the polls are flawed – New Hampshire is a great example. Voting patterns and such are useful, but ultimately it is whoever shows up to vote that matters. It is certainly not for any of us to tell any candidate to quit, that is their own decision.

Posted by: MIguy | March 23, 2008, 1:27 am 1:27 am

MIguy – I agree and have never said anyone should quit. This country needs it to playout, be involved, etc for the reasons I previously posted. Night to all, its been engaging, have a great Easter!

Posted by: DCVoter | March 23, 2008, 1:30 am 1:30 am

C-ya DCVoter…

Posted by: MIguy | March 23, 2008, 1:31 am 1:31 am

DCVoter you are right on the Money!!
Opportunistic!!

Posted by: Jerry | March 23, 2008, 1:32 am 1:32 am

Happy Easter to all and goodnight!

Posted by: MIguy | March 23, 2008, 1:32 am 1:32 am

Been wanting to ask this: Why does Hillary feel the need to make up a story about her visit to Bosnia? I mean, it’s laughable … “We landed under sniper fire … we had to run with our heads down.” And lots more. How come? And it IS clear she’s making it up. Over 100 news reports, and not ONE of them says anything at all happened. Even a VIDEO showing her doing a photo op at the time she was supposedly running for her life. So what’s up with her anyway?

Posted by: ratmach | March 23, 2008, 1:36 am 1:36 am

McCain2008: I don’t know if you’re really a Hillary supporter or not (I’m for Obama). But you ARE correct about the polls. Obama took a hit when the Wright story broke, dropped day-by-day up till the speech, then has gradually moved back up. Now back in the lead. Funny how most Clinton supporters missed that.

Posted by: ratmach | March 23, 2008, 1:41 am 1:41 am

Thanks DCVoter! I enjoyed reading all of the various comments, but your posts were my favorite. Hillary in 2008.

Posted by: M. Saint | March 23, 2008, 1:43 am 1:43 am

Well I do think that Richardson has made a huge mistake,..I think Obama offered him the VP spot for his endorsement and his carrer is now over because Obama will never win the General election and the people of his state are going to be pissed because he went against them,….Richardson was sold a bill of goods just like the American people that have voted for him,..I told him all of this in my email today, which I was very happy to send.
NOBAMA 08

Posted by: Jerry | March 23, 2008, 1:45 am 1:45 am

M. Saint……you are a truly Clinton fan…..fanatics.

Posted by: alexis compton | March 23, 2008, 1:48 am 1:48 am

McCain2008: I know. That’s why I said “most” Clinton supporters … because of what you said in your post. (But how come you use “McCain2008″?)

Posted by: ratmach | March 23, 2008, 1:54 am 1:54 am

Obama our next President. I am heading to Cuba

Posted by: John Prescot | March 23, 2008, 1:56 am 1:56 am

They know it is over. H.Clinton is like Rudy trying to say he should win the nomination …because if her tactics would have been better and she wouldn’t have passed up the small states, she might be a little closer. That is totally and fully rediculous.
No matter what resources she would have put into the smaller states she wouldn’t have won in them, as people were looking at who the better candidate was and not just looking at Hillary talking points of experience which by the way have been totally rebuked now.

Posted by: Steve L | March 23, 2008, 1:56 am 1:56 am

John Prescot, you want to move to Cuba if Obama becomes president?
Well, at least Obama will give you that opportunity. We will be talking to our ‘enemies’ again. And instead of acting like a school yard bully have diplomatic relations to this small poor island country 90 miles off our cost.
We are so lucky to have someone like Obama making it this close to becoming our President. And we need a president right now that will begin to bring us together again and represent us to the world as a decent people.

Posted by: Steve L | March 23, 2008, 2:02 am 2:02 am

John Prescot, you want to move to Cuba if Obama becomes president?
Well, at least Obama will give you that opportunity. We will be talking to our ‘enemies’ again. And instead of acting like a school yard bully have diplomatic relations to this small poor island country 90 miles off our cost.
We are so lucky to have someone like Obama making it this close to becoming our President. And we need a president right now that will begin to bring us together again and represent us to the world as a decent people.

Posted by: Steve L | March 23, 2008, 2:02 am 2:02 am

Looks like somebody is reading just headlines.
Correct, it says – Obama’s supporter is a CEO of one contractor company. The article aslo stated, than Clinton’s supporter is a CEO of another contractor’s company.
So, if You can not read- I guess, shouls not write here to bother.
Her file was used for training, but other files where breached.
Feel the difference.
Clintons have amazing ability to dig and create dirt.
Time for us to get out of it. And from them as well.
It is time to.

Posted by: Linda, Florida | March 23, 2008, 2:04 am 2:04 am

Linda,
You better go read it again,…that was yesterday’s story.

Posted by: Jerry | March 23, 2008, 2:10 am 2:10 am

The ceo of the one company contributed 1,000 to Hillary’s campaign.
The other guy is THE FOREIGN POLICY ADVISOR for Obama,…HUGE difference!!
John O. Brennan, president and CEO of the Analysis Corp., advises the Illinois Democrat on foreign policy and intelligence issues, the source said.
Brennan briefed the media on behalf of the campaign this month.
The executive is a former senior CIA official and former interim director of the National Counterterrorism Center.
He contributed $2,300 to the Obama campaign in January.

Posted by: Jerry | March 23, 2008, 2:15 am 2:15 am

At least Bill didn’t have “A wide Stance”!! if you know what I’m sayin!!

Posted by: Jerry | March 23, 2008, 2:16 am 2:16 am

Robert ,
You need to look at the other polls,..you picked the only one that says that.

Posted by: Jerry | March 23, 2008, 2:18 am 2:18 am

Oh oh! Passportgate! Obama’s people were digging into McCain’s files …. looking for DIRT on what exactly the old guy was doing on all those top-secret, suspicious overseas trips! Is THAT what you people think was going on? Gimme a break….

Posted by: ratmach | March 23, 2008, 2:22 am 2:22 am

I wouldn’t presume to know what is really going on but I think it looks pretty bad,…..

Posted by: Jerry | March 23, 2008, 2:32 am 2:32 am

To all OBAMANS!
IT’S NOT OVER TILL THE FAT LADY SINGS!!!
All of us who are for Hilary deserve this big fight for nomination to go on till all the STATES have gone through the process. Who gave you the authority to take away our rights??? We are ALSO TAX PAYERS LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE. So don’t give me that stupid nonsence that we are dividing the party.
And to those condescending OBAMANS who are critizing that bloggers for Hilary cannot even spell, that is pretty easy to do when one types quickly and does not proofread. We HILARY supportes are not all uneducated. I have at least a Masters Degree and I am sure there are a lot who have Doctorates.

Posted by: Remy | March 23, 2008, 2:32 am 2:32 am

Sometimes I think, after reading the comments on a high quality post, from citizens and fellow countrymen, that if an Alien Culture read these comments long after our existence they would think we were all fools.
The discourse shines a light into the souls of Americans because they think that the anonymous cover allows them to bear their heart without consequence. The consequence is we can see the social stratifications we once thought dying exist under surface. Someimes i am grateful that truth is being said no matter how vulgar so I at least know how much farther we have to go. I swear that I now can see just how critical education is.
I bought Hilary’s and Obama’s Books. I as a veteran respect McCain also. They are both (Obama and Hilary) are great civil servants. And the second you let political emotion impact your views you become like the audience of David Copperfield magic Show, which simply cannot see the illusion. The truth is somewhere in the middle. It never changes just our observation point. I hope who ever wins the election wins and I will save the drama for those who unable to express their feelings without losing their sense of courtesy! (We have too many conspiracy theorist who thrive on the emotion of the tabloid generations!)

Posted by: Shaan | March 23, 2008, 2:32 am 2:32 am

I think that maybe Obama will finally have to answer questions instead of just giving speeches,…so far he has avoided hard questioning, it is the strangest thing I have witnessed politically in my lifetime,…

Posted by: Jerry | March 23, 2008, 2:34 am 2:34 am

“the strangest thing I have witnessed politically in my lifetime” ….. So where have you been the past 7 years (Bush, Cheney, and their minions)?

Posted by: ratmach | March 23, 2008, 2:39 am 2:39 am

But I do believe it will be “I don’t know” “didn’t know” “Never saw” “hadn’t heard”,..I believe he will at least be consistent,….again. The American people are not THAT gullible,..I do not believe so,..I think people are waking up.

Posted by: Jerry | March 23, 2008, 2:41 am 2:41 am

Rat you have a point,…Nothing compares to the last 7 years!!

Posted by: Jerry | March 23, 2008, 2:45 am 2:45 am

This campaign is not over by any means. Admittedly, it will be very disappointing if Obama is selected as the nominee but I still expect Hillary to win, principally because Democrats prefer her to Obama. Obama’s strength lies with blacks, young people and independents and the latter two groups are iffy at best. Many, in fact, have abandoned support of him since the Rev. Wright thing surfaced. The longer the campaign goes on and the more time the people have to become familiar with the tactics of the Obama campaign, the more they will see what he is really like as compared to the idealized notions they may have formed about him in the early stages of the campaign.

Posted by: Two-cats | March 23, 2008, 2:51 am 2:51 am

You nailed it.

Posted by: Jerry | March 23, 2008, 2:52 am 2:52 am

Most of the people who vote for Obama have no clue who George Mc Govern is. The exact same pattern is emerging. The radical and youth and promise to end the war in vietnam got Mc Govern the nomination.
However, the base of the democratic party wanted nothing to do with Mc Govern, and his rhetoric of BS, and voted for nixon. Nixon won 48 states in a landslide.
Go look it up. George Mc Govern and Jimmy Carter are 2 of the major reasons why they instituted super delegates to make sure their nominee had a chance to win.
Now the media is HYPING how it would be ‘stolen’ ????????? It defeats the whole purpose of the super delegates.
Obama cant win the general election now. He has blown off the blue collar vote with his church and spiritual advisor. His speech didnt help either. It didnt explain why he was at that church, instead of one of the other 100 that are in the chicago area. Many of them black.
The republicans can hit the guy over th head with 100 things. He never won a SINGLE major primary except his home state. Nobody has ever won the white house when losing the major primiares.
They can hit him on experience. They can hit him on his left radical ties.
How does he win the white house? When 1/2 the Clinton demcorats wont vote for him or outright vote for Mc cain. Its stupid.

Posted by: tomdavie | March 23, 2008, 2:55 am 2:55 am

I belive Richardson gambled with his endorsement in the hopes of maybe the VP slot? He has made a huge error in judgement which is ironic because so has his candidate!! They belong together,..I like the fact that he broke away from the will of the voters in his state,against Pelosi’s advice because now they won’t be able to cry foul as the Superdelegates support Hillary.

Posted by: Jerry | March 23, 2008, 2:56 am 2:56 am

Obama will NEVER win the General election!! I agree!!

Posted by: Jerry | March 23, 2008, 2:59 am 2:59 am

This whole Passport issue is just coming to light,..I do not know what the real motive here is but it stinks. Is it really a coincidence that the Foreign policy advisor to Obamas campaign is the CEO of the company that peeked? an ex-CIA operative? sounds like an amazing conicidence? How much of this are we supposed to believe?

Posted by: Jerry | March 23, 2008, 3:03 am 3:03 am

This is getting so old. Hillary, all the other candidates gracefully bowed out when it was clear they couldn’t win.
It really does sound that you and your hubby’s jealousy is so extreme that you really would rather see McCain win. In fact, you both have virtually said so.
You should concede before both of you lose what little stature you have remaining.

Posted by: saraz | March 23, 2008, 3:06 am 3:06 am

And who will pick up the pieces after Obama Implodes?

Posted by: Jerry | March 23, 2008, 3:09 am 3:09 am

Which is happening daily,….

Posted by: Jerry | March 23, 2008, 3:10 am 3:10 am

Actually it seems that Obama has shown amazing resilience. Despite all of the negative stuff that has come his way, he is hanging tough. We will see some major surprises in the results in PA and the race should end by North Carolina for all intents and purposes. Although Obama is behind McCain in the polls these days, by the time the general rolls around the country will decide that they would rather have a new plan on the war and the economy. This will be particularly evident since we will have had an official recession by then (i.e. 6 months of negative growth in the GDP). The country will decide that they prefer the honest guy with the pastor problem and a new vision for the country over the eternal war guy who will continue the Bush “economic plan”. The choice will be simple. Do you want the guy with the “bad pastor” or do you want to live in a card board box after you lose your house and your job so that we can borrow more money to fight an endless war. You decide. As far as Hillary goes, she is welcome to work on the Obama campaign and help campaign in Ohio.

Posted by: Jim B | March 23, 2008, 3:34 am 3:34 am

Uhh Jim Obama doesn’t have a chance in PA.He’s losing by 20 points in the latest polls. Doesn’t it bother you Obamacans than he hasn’t won a single large state? And this is the candidate you want to run in the general?

Posted by: MR | March 23, 2008, 3:43 am 3:43 am

We’re behind you all the way, Hillary, all the way to the White House. Obama has made this campaign a joke, and I’m ashamed of Democrats who blindly support him. He’s the biggest “nothing” candidate I’ve seen in 30 years. The DNC will end up backpeddling big time if Obama wins the nomination, because McCain will then win the election. No to Obama, Yes to Clinton.

Posted by: EsmeraldaB | March 23, 2008, 3:47 am 3:47 am

Ok, so this is what “Dave” posted:
UNLESS THEY INTEND TO COME UP WITH ANOTHER DIRTY STRATEGY (INCLUDING, FURTHER SPLITTING THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY), THE HILARY CAMP SHOULD START PACKING UP. IT IS TIME FOR A WHOLE NEW VOICE AND A WHOLE NEW WAY OF RESTORING AMERICA’S GLORY AND PRESTIGE.
What is this “new way of restoring [our] glory and prestige? LOL You people are ridiculous! You’re so blind that you think Obama can really do something different with our government, when he’d have to pretty much change the entire government to do so! WHAT will he do that will be a new way of anything? He’ll do NOTHING new! He will be the same type of politician we usually have, which is the same type of politician he is now.
Please wake up from your ridiculous dream before you put us all in a hole.

Posted by: Andrew | March 23, 2008, 4:02 am 4:02 am

Obama has set the Democratic party back for the next 8 years.

Posted by: MR | March 23, 2008, 4:05 am 4:05 am

I have read all the issues, watched the debates, listened to the spin, reeled at Clinton’s attacks and dirty tactics and I will still vote for Obama. I believe he is and exceptional individual and leader, a fresh choice for all of America. I am tired of the Bush/Clinton dynasty – if they could have fixed things we wouldn’t be in the mess were in. Clinton was impeached, Bush is an idiot, McCain is a warlord – I want change. The comming years will be difficult and we have many areas to address: the economy,gas/oil, energy supply/prices, inflation, recession, crumbling infrastructure, open borders, unemployment, relief for New Orleans, healthcare, Immigration, education and the ongoing fiasco of the Iraq war – we
have lost nearly 4000 lives with thousand wounded, many disabeled for life! We need to stand by our vetrans and their families! Thats a lot on the plate and I think Obama can lead us through the valley ahead. As President
he will have a qualified cabinet and will appoint the intelligent and qualified leaders that our country so desperately needs.I am also tired of the Bush/Clinton cronies-we need a leader to light a fire under congress! I want action-but I also want intelligent deliberation and solutions. I am tired of all the stagnation, apathy,PACS, and a government that is not in sync with the people, the issues or the times!

Posted by: white mountain | March 23, 2008, 4:06 am 4:06 am

In the 90s I was working in California, as I was in the 80s. I appreciate being called a kid and I welcome all young voters to the new majority. This recent week has proven to be an indication of how Obama will be able to obtain the necessary votes to win the general election. Those who analyze things based on old models will be surprised to see the results of this election. It is evident that Obama will be able to parry the thrusts of his opposition. You may think him young, but consider that he started out 100 delegates behind due to Hillary’s early lead in the super delegates. He has put together the best campaign that anyone has ever seen and has been able to defeat (yes defeat) a candidate who has had every advantage including a former president as a husband. He has been bombarded with negative attacks and even has one network which is entirely dedicated to his defeat. Yet despite all of this he has climbed back in recent polls and continues to attract support. He will overcome these obstacles and will become our next president. Mark my words.
Obama/Richardson 08

Posted by: Jim B | March 23, 2008, 4:09 am 4:09 am

Not only that if Obama loses in the general election we could lose a senate seat in Illinois a few years later because he didn’t do his job as a senator in his first term. Instead he chose to use the people of Illinois as a stepping stone without serving a full term in the senate

Posted by: MR | March 23, 2008, 4:12 am 4:12 am

I suspect that the most visceral attacks on Obama come from people who support McCain. The Obama/Clinton attacks seem different. What I am wondering is: what do you McCain people think that you will be getting personally out of a McCain administration? You are obviously not Christians, at least the sense I have known Christianity. And you certainly are not the CEO’s of big corporations. So I wonder what it is that McBush is really going to do for you? Are you really willing to vote against your own self-interest just because you hate somebody?

Posted by: Jim B | March 23, 2008, 4:20 am 4:20 am

OOPs! Forgot that “s” on thousands wounded!
Remy – The fat lady will be singing the high note soon!
Kiks – There is nobody more adept at lying and covering up than the Clinton’s
Type in “The Clinton scandal list” now there is some good reading to refresh your memory – then read the pardon list!
Then read the “I don’t remembers” in the trials! They could all hide their own Easter eggs!

Posted by: white mountain | March 23, 2008, 4:24 am 4:24 am

Actually 9 years ago was the last millennium. It was a really long time ago.

Posted by: Jim B | March 23, 2008, 4:28 am 4:28 am

Uhh jim I think your confused. When people are talking about old Ideas they mean 30 to 50 years ago.A song that’s considered a classic has to be at least 25 years old. I’m still benefiting from the Clinton years as far as my 401k goes. So I have no idea what your talking about but 9 yrs ago is not old.

Posted by: MR | March 23, 2008, 4:40 am 4:40 am

Are we all sick of this he said, she said yet? Our country is lost because Obama’s group can’t bet past the school yard bully talk. We live in Illinois and we are astounded that people are flocking to vote for this guy. The Democratic election isn’t even here yet and thee is suppose to be a winner….well, then why spend the millions to have a Democratic convention? I thought the delegates picked the person to run, not the media. All the Democratic politicians pileing on for Obama are doing it for there own personal reasons, not the countries. They should all stay out of it and do there thing at the convention. The Democratic party look like a bunch fom Animal House, running around causing everyone trouble…The Trouble in our country Ladies and Gentleman is, The Loss of Thousands of Jobs everyday, The high and higher cost of gasoline, the mortage forecloursers, the illegal aliens coming in taking American jobs, the illegals coming in with drugs to sell to our people. The corrupt police and government people who are out to make a buck on your dime, The influz of tainted goods and toys and medicine from China. Our young people who just care about guns, handing out, shooting up drugs, beating up on old people, terrorizing neighbor-hoods. All this other arguing is meaningless. Obama hasn’t done nothing for Illinois except try and get drivers license for Illegal aliends and try and pass the Dream Act, so children (adults really) of illegals cound go to Illinois colleges, tuition free. Obama has hung with a bad crowd, they are using guestope tachtiques to imtimadate white people and black people who don’t agree with them.. This plan had been implemented a long time ago by the group that will benefit mightly with Obama should he become President. This all will result in a revealution by the citizens of America who have been forgotten in this argument of who”s the best for President.
Many Democrats will vote for McCain and this will ensure that some of the people involved with some of these crimes will be drafted and go off to war and will be able to shoot their guns and kill more people, legally.
So, hold your nose, vote for McCain and vote to continue the war for another 100 years and for thousands of American lives. Learn to speak Chinese and Spanish, they will become our national languages. Know the route North to Canada or where the airport is located that can get you and your family out of America. My father’s family came here in 1635, we have been here long enough, it is time to go back to England.

Posted by: Josie | March 23, 2008, 4:40 am 4:40 am

AshamedDemo wrote this:
Hey, No To BHO, unfortunately you sound like all the racists who say, “this is not a racist comment.”
I think it’s pretty pathetic how, even if one tries to make an observation about the racial aspects of this race and discuss the ways Obama may have benefitted from it, or maybe even :gasp: USED race to his advantage (but he would never!…..like the distortion of Bill’s “fairy tale” remarks into a racial slur?!), they are automatically a racist. These types of Obama supporters are pathetic and disgusting. They go against the the very foundation of their supposed “movement.”
THEY are the ones that are obsessed with the colors of our skins, not the voters who are trying to sort out what going on and what’s being done by the campaigns. There is no question that the Obama camp has politically used race to their advantage if you really look…..oh wait, now I’m a racist, right? PATHETIC I don’t care about the color of a person’s skin, I do care about integrity, and I do care if someone who says they are different, and gets a crap-load of votes because of it, turns out to be not-so-different at all.
If there is anything to make us democrats ashamed, it’s people like YOU “AshamedDemo,” you hide behind charges of racism when the going gets tough for your candidate…..hm how very “new politics” of you.
PS I don’t doubt there are racists who don’t like Obama, just as there are black racists who don’t want Hillary…..just don’t foolishly assume that anyone who talks about race, and doesn’t ignore Obama’s use of it, is a racist. Grow up.

Posted by: Andrew | March 23, 2008, 4:41 am 4:41 am

NO Chance. R they crazy? With all the skeletons starting to come out of baracks closet, i think Hillary has a great chance. We should have never known what was in the closed. Hillary should be winning by landslide. Some time, a used car salesmsn and make a junker look like your dream ride. He will insert foot in mouth again. Hillary 08

Posted by: NO Chance | March 23, 2008, 5:06 am 5:06 am

If the super delegates support Clinton then ALL of Obams’s Supporters should “write him in” in the general election! I will not have my vote disenfranchised by super delegates and the fact that Michigan and Florida can’t seem to run an election! What a waste of time and money! Hillary will not bow out until she has used her whole bag of dirty tricks and strong armed all of the super delegates. She has a history of living in denial and not facing the facts. We will just have to suffer until she runs her course and the done all the damage possible to the Democratic Party. Some people create chaos because they are addicted to turmoil and enjoy all the attention, it’s like a bad soap opera!

Posted by: white mountain | March 23, 2008, 5:12 am 5:12 am

everything Obama says is a reaction to make control damage. nothing is pro-active or original. his race speech was made to defend his lack of judgment and his support of racist remarks.

Posted by: RAUL | March 23, 2008, 5:14 am 5:14 am

I think that you are confused

Posted by: maritza | March 23, 2008, 6:00 am 6:00 am

Hahaha…He says it’s over but he can’t win a big state except his own. This makes me laugh! Who believes this? Sheesh.

Posted by: Geneva | March 23, 2008, 6:09 am 6:09 am

I think that maybe Obama will finally have to answer questions instead of just giving speeches,…so far he has avoided hard questioning, it is the strangest thing I have witnessed politically in my lifetime,…
Posted by: Jerry | Mar 23, 2008 2:34:31 AM
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Well, I guess you missed that Obama sat down on Friday, 3/14/08, for a 92-minute Rezko Q & A with the Chicago Tribune editorial board and three dozen journalists and pledged to answer every question they asked, which he did.
At the end of the session, the board maintained their opinion, formed during 12 years of scrutiny, that he had distinguished himself by his professional judgment and personal decency. They said that “Obama now has spoken about his ties to Tony Rezko in uncommon detail. That’s a standard for candor by which other presidential candidates facing serious inquiries now can be judged.”
Obama also spoke to the Chicago Sun-Times for 80 minutes that same day; again, no finding of wrongdoing with Rezko.
I’d say almost 3 hours of questioning by hard-nosed journalists about Rezko alone constitutes serious inquiry, no?
Google it if you’d like.

Posted by: CommonSense | March 23, 2008, 6:25 am 6:25 am

It does not matter if Obama is the non-plus-ultra greek god of change, he is unelectable

Posted by: RAUL | March 23, 2008, 6:41 am 6:41 am

Richardson’s endorsement of Obama signals the end for Hillary. Her only hope is to get massive numbers of superdelegates to side with her. Richardson is one of the most prominent SD’s out there and conidering his long relationship with the Clintons this was a huge blow to Hillary. Most predict that many more SDs will follow Richarson’s lead. Yes, its over for Hillary. It is just a matter of time.

Posted by: Bob, DC | March 23, 2008, 7:33 am 7:33 am

Obama has survived Hillary’s kitchen sink and Rev Wright’s toilet mouth!!! ======================================
Gallup – PRINCETON, NJ — March 22, 2008
Barack Obama has quickly made up the deficit he faced with Hillary Clinton earlier this week, with the latest Gallup Poll Daily tracking update on Democratic presidential nomination preferences showing 48% of Democratic voters favoring Obama and 45% Clinton. Obama’s campaign clearly suffered in recent days from negative press, mostly centering around his association with the controversial Rev. Jeremiah Wright. Perhaps as a result, Clinton moved into the lead in Gallup’s Wednesday release, covering March 16-18 polling. But Obama has now edged back ahead of Clinton due to a strong showing for him in Friday night’s polling, perhaps in response to the endorsement he received from well-respected New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, a former rival for the nomination.

Posted by: Bob, DC | March 23, 2008, 7:44 am 7:44 am

Clinton will continue just as Busk continues. The American have rejected her policies just as they have turned on Bush.
What does it say when she has the backing of all those Bill Clinton connections to the old guard and a 20 point lead yet she can’t put away a first term Senator. She and Bill are fast approaching the state of irrelevancy with the American public. It seems they are unwilling to face the inevitable.

Posted by: DaCoach | March 23, 2008, 8:09 am 8:09 am

Here’s a thought for Hillary. After Senator Obama wins the Democratic nomination, her good friend John McCain can select her as his VP partner. Birds of a feather etc. etc.

Posted by: DaCoach | March 23, 2008, 8:13 am 8:13 am

The Clintons better get on board soon or they will be faced with being shunned from the Democratic party.

Posted by: Bob, DC | March 23, 2008, 8:13 am 8:13 am

i keep reading that hillary should withdraw from the race if she cares about the democratic party and the country. i see it the other way. obama should withdraw. he will not win the general election when all that wright stuff will be played over and over again. and there is the rezko scandel etc. he is not my messiah – my messiah tore up the temple when it was not used in the spirt of God. my messiah didn’t sit there and say, oh…this hateful preaching is just fine for whatever reason. obama should go…

Posted by: dcordes | March 23, 2008, 8:20 am 8:20 am

Any Democrat will beat grandpa McCain. There were reports from European media that McCain looked weak and frail during his tour there last week. Many are starting to wonder if he can make it through a grueling election campaign.

Posted by: Bob, DC | March 23, 2008, 8:31 am 8:31 am

I have read several comments the last few days where Obama supporters say the Clinton supporters are not educated or very smart. I have studied the post for several days and have come to the conclusion that the Clinton supporters are the most educated and smart, use less bad language. I’m not that well educated either with only two years college, but common sense is better than education in most cases. McCain will win the election if the DNC doesn’t change and let Florida and Michigan delegates be seated. Howard dean should be fired from his job. Obama can never win, the circus has started in a different direction in the last two weeks.

Posted by: barefootboy9 | March 23, 2008, 8:33 am 8:33 am

Poor judgment, poor judgment, poor judgment!!!!! Presidential qualifications…poor judgment….nope…doesn’t cut it. No question, whatsoever, Obama used poor judgment in not leaving his church of 20 years while Rev. Wright was still pastor. There isn’t any question on this one, it is out there, Obama used poor judgment. If Hillary isn’t the democratic nominee, McCain has my vote.

Posted by: Sue | March 23, 2008, 8:37 am 8:37 am

Trinity UCC church was where Barack first became a Christian and where he was married and his children were baptized. That church has done great things for the community and has wonderful outreach programs to help the poor and others in need across the country and the world. Not an easy decision to leave based on some random stupid comments by the minister.

Posted by: Bob, DC | March 23, 2008, 8:51 am 8:51 am

Congress should pass the laws that Foodstamps and Welfare Assistance recipients cannot make donations to political campaign. Foodstamp fraud has been a major burden on USA economy. Majority of OB contribution comes from these Foodstamps fraudulent recipients. We need the media to do their homework.

Posted by: mtr2311 | March 23, 2008, 8:56 am 8:56 am

IF the superdelegates would show some leadership and get off their butts and start coming out for Hillary, she would take the last 10 states with landslides and their would be no question of who should win the nomination.

Posted by: Gwen PA | March 23, 2008, 8:57 am 8:57 am

It’s obama with no chance to win! Especially with his anti-american stance! Of coarse neither has a chance to win the white house!

Posted by: Jim | March 23, 2008, 9:01 am 9:01 am

If the Hilary campaign would stop the nasty attacks then most would have no problem with her staying in the race until the end. She should turn her focus of attack to McCain and the Republicans not Obama.

Posted by: Bob, DC | March 23, 2008, 9:05 am 9:05 am

There are many states still to come. Obama has not won in any of the big States other than Illinois- his own state. The media would elect him today but PENNSYLVANIANS are going to throw you all into shock. Hillary will win big there and go on to win in the other states. Alot of us do not trust Obama- his constant habit of Saying one thing and then doing another is starting to show. He went to the church but didnt hear the sermon but he may have heard it but etc etc etc ..He worked for only ’5 hours on Rezko” but now we find out there are houses, land involved, thousands of dollars in fund raising etc etc etc – and we were initially told it was “ONLY 5 hoursof work.’ Angry Michelle works for a University hospital that charges minorities without insurance 5 times more than whites with insurance yet “SHE IS FOR THE POOR .” Yeah right…She grew up in an upper middle class brick home – better than most of us- yet she portrays herself as coming from a “poor background. ‘ Yeah right again.. ETC ETC ETC ….This election is NOT over. Voters are flocking to Hillary and you will see it when PA votes. We r proud of our country, We don’t take the Lords name in vain and the “White America” that Wright and the Obamas criticize has been awfully good to the Obamas. Michelle got a $200,000 a year RAISE AFTER her husband became Senator. Maybe the Univ of Chicago hospital thought her few hours of work merited that kind of raise or maybe..just maybe…having the wife of a Senator on their board may help swing things their way should we ever have a NATIONAL HEALTH PLAN. . Obama said he’d accept public financing but now balks at the idea. Obama said he WOULD HAVE voted against the war but he has voted numerous times to keep funding it and he VOTED AGAINST proposals to set time tables and to bring troops home. You see a problem here ? HELLOOOOOO …but my favorite O-bomination is when he voted against the death penalty in Illinois for gangmembers because “it was not fair to Blacks or Latinos. ” Guess only white murderers should get the death penalty huh Obama ?? Wake up America….most of us middle class Americans can see thru this Pied Piper charade…the rest of you need to stop listening to the chants and do some research !!! Talk is cheap…Actions speak louder than words…but you cannot hold anyone accountable when they keep voting “PRESENT” – in a slick way so that they can never be held accountable…. Again…Wake up America … Hillary is not out of this by any means !!!

Posted by: jimbo | March 23, 2008, 9:08 am 9:08 am

growup – If Hillary is not the democratic nominee I will vote for McCain and it isn’t because of revenge or lack of maturity. I vote as I choose not by party. I just don’t like Obama. Each time I try to like him something else comes up to reinforce the way I feel. I want Universal Health Insurance and I feel that we will have some sort of a chance for something with Hillary. I don’t care if we have to pay into it, at least we would have it. This has been a main focus in her campaign. I feel if Hillary isn’t the nominee that the next best candidate would be McCain. I think Obama is full of promises and immature and Universal Health Insurance will not be taken as seriously in his presidency. I think the experience factor is big and Obama lacks it.

Posted by: Sue | March 23, 2008, 9:10 am 9:10 am

Jimbo, have you seen the national polls between McCain and Obama? Obama leads him in CA and NY. Aren’t those big states? He’s competitive in TX and of course is losing in FL but so is Clinton.
So what’s your point?

Posted by: Syl | March 23, 2008, 9:14 am 9:14 am

Hillary ows it to her supporters to stay in the race. It’s not her personal choice to quit.
She’s going to be the democratic nominee and she’s going to be the next President.

Posted by: dem | March 23, 2008, 9:28 am 9:28 am

Jimbo:
It’s correct that mathmatically, Clinton has much lower chance to win, however, she is the only candidate that should run. how can you support an anti-American person like Obama to run for president?
If you don’t agree Obama is anti-America, you are emotionaly deeply fooled by Obama.
Who asked him talk about race? We asked him to talk about his questionable relationship with Mr.Wright. Political spin. Why didn’t he give this speech 20 years ago or 1 month ago. Think about it.
Save America!!!!!!!

Posted by: Joy | March 23, 2008, 9:29 am 9:29 am

I can’t believe ANYBODY is snowed by that speech on race. It would be different if he’d made it 2 months ago, but NO!! It was a direct, obvious attempt to SAVE HIS OWN POLITICAL BUTT. There was no challenge to America in that crap, designed to use his gift of verbosity to steer attention away from his association with the clearest BIGOT to date who has come to light. Clinton’s momentum means both that 1) people don’t like Obama the more they know and 2) THIS RACE IS FAR FROM OVER.

Posted by: Leslie SC | March 23, 2008, 9:29 am 9:29 am

Anyone can say anything in a poll…ask a teenager what they wrote down when they were asked if they engaged in sex in high school or in drug activity?? . Most of em will respond yes even if its not true. I don’t believe in polls .. I do beleive in voting records and Obamas is nothing to be proud of !! After all his whining about this passport thing we find out that his OWN people are behind it ..Ha whata joke…follow him and his merry band all the way to defeat if you must but the Republicans will slaughter him in November-something they havent been able to do to Clinton in the last 16 years .

Posted by: jimbo | March 23, 2008, 9:31 am 9:31 am

To Joy… I dont know what you are reading but I am definately not voting for O-bomination… Read my blogs again…i desribe his voting record and pattern and his angry wifes job etc etc etc …. The obamas are not the chosen ones–no matter what the Media is trying to tell you !!!!

Posted by: jimbo | March 23, 2008, 9:33 am 9:33 am

If the Hilary campaign would stop the nasty attacks then most would have no problem with her staying in the race until the end.
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Hmmm….who’s doing nasty attacks on who?? The Obamamaniacs have been using the pseudoscandals between 1992-2000 to attack HILLARY VERY VERY NASTILY. The maniacs got enormous support from the media pimps who were totally biased against Hillary.
The last few weeks have been eye opener for the American public who are coming to realize that MR.BHO is a nasty politician, who has no principles, a liar- that too a manipulative liar.

Posted by: dem | March 23, 2008, 9:38 am 9:38 am

To Syl….Hillary won both New York and California so Obama vs McCain in those states doesn’t mean jack……
Hillary has the better chance against McCain if the media would stop treating Obomination as if he was the Prom King !!!
Pennsylvania will show you just what most of middle America thinks about O-bomination. !! Wait and see …He can always go on Oprah and practice his fake black southern accent with her like they did in Iowa and S Carolina. Total snow job…even better than Tony Snow coulda done !!!

Posted by: jimbo | March 23, 2008, 9:38 am 9:38 am

As an independent, I will vote for Hillary if she gets the Dem nomination. After eight years of Bush, it would be nice to have another Dem president. I will not, however, vote for Obama. These past two weeks have shown me how little we truly know of his character, integrity, and ability to unite the people of this great land. I am now resigned to another four years of Republican policy.

Posted by: Virginia Independent | March 23, 2008, 9:45 am 9:45 am

If Democrats will be so stupid to vote for another Republican for the White House after Bush because Obama wins the Democratic nomination, then I think they should NOT complain when billions are spent in Iraq while this nation’s infrastructure crumbles, few have health care coverage and the Supreme Court is filled up.
Democrats should think, think and think and not be so dumb!

Posted by: Jon, Los Angeles | March 23, 2008, 9:47 am 9:47 am

Democrats should think, think and think and not be so dumb!
Posted by: Jon, Los Angeles | Mar 23, 2008 9:47:59 AM
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Yeah…BIG DEAL. McCain presidency is a lot less dumber than an Obama nomination. Howard Dean, Paleo-losi and left wing extremists will be responsible for this if it happens.

Posted by: dem | March 23, 2008, 9:55 am 9:55 am

I’ve seen postings that show Obama winning. THAT ISN’T TRUE.
I just pulled this from the Gallup website. Th It was posted on Friday:
The latest Gallup Poll Daily tracking shows Hillary Clinton with a five percentage point lead over Barack Obama in national Democratic voters’ nomination preferences, 48% to 43%. Other polls show similar results.
Hillary needs to stay in this race. Obama is self-destructing!! The truth about Obama is finally starting to get exposed!

Posted by: dfinke | March 23, 2008, 9:56 am 9:56 am

It is important who wins election in November. By now we know that Barack is misleading Americans. He did not tell the truth about Rev Wright, he speaks on both sides of his mouth about NAFTA and Iraq. He and his wife are not patriotic. He can not full anybody ant longer and he will not win in Nov.

Posted by: vic1142 | March 23, 2008, 10:02 am 10:02 am

It is over with with Obama. This alll has changed in the last two weeks. I have lived a long time and in all elections have seen people in public and they supported different candidates. Four years ago, some would say they were voting for Kerry and some for Bush. In the last two weeks I have not heard of one that is voting for Obama. If you want to know who is going to be elected just sit in a barber shop, keep your mouth closed and ears open and you will find out who it will be. It’s not Obama.

Posted by: barefootboy9 | March 23, 2008, 10:10 am 10:10 am

As a Canadian and your neighbour to the north, I do hope America elects someone with a proven track record — we are weary of Americans who rolled the dice when it comes to electing leaders.
If America is to re-estabish relationships with the rest of the world, it had better present a known quantity — Clinton — change we can believe in NOW.

Posted by: BJ Murphy | March 23, 2008, 10:30 am 10:30 am

We just love watching the democaratic party implode. This is more fun than
going to a party! No one should drop out, it would just spoil the fun!

Posted by: leslie schetter | March 23, 2008, 10:33 am 10:33 am

Obama has proven that he has horrible judgement and he has lied. I think the past few days have been hilarious!! His campaign is trying to throw everything at Clinton and the American people are growing wiser and tired of the tactics from a “new” kind of candidate!!
Obama had tried to blame Hillary for the passport breach and now we know that his foreign policy adviser is the CEO of the company that peeked?!! And he has called for a “thorough investigation”? this is hilarious!! Obama, you will never win the general election!! It is over.
STOP THE HATE!!

Posted by: Jerry | March 23, 2008, 10:35 am 10:35 am

to RC- my dirty politics of fear ?? Why would u say that ? Because I am exposing your buddy Obamas voting record ? Or because he spoke out against the Iraq war before HE VOTED for it 10 times or more while in the Senate. Truth is not dirty politics.? Being misled by the media or by Baracxk and Michelle Obama is…. Look up his voting record RC and then go drink the kool aid again

Posted by: jimbo | March 23, 2008, 10:37 am 10:37 am

Reverend Wright and Obama – 20 years of friendship, provoking thought and spiritual guidance – Judgment and Character, where was it? Where is it now? Actions speak louder than words. You could have denounced this Reverend and his way of thinking sometime over the last 20 years. You didn’t then, you aren’t doing it very well now.
Mr. Obama – you are not the man and agent of change you claim to be. The American electorate is seeing it, Pennsylvanians and the remaining states to have primaries are seeing it, and the polls are reflecting it.
It may be too late for the democratic nominee but not for the general election.

Posted by: JD, Pittsburgh, PA | March 23, 2008, 10:56 am 10:56 am

we are SO AWARE that in OHIO …
Hillary WON THIS STATE IN 84 out of 88
counties
if the democratic party insiders and major political dumos don’t understand WHAT THAT MEANS…
and When she WON EVERY DEMOGRAPHIC GROUPING IN THIS STATE except the urban vote in three major cities…
THEN I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF ANY ONE UNDERSTANDS PRESIDENTIAL POLITICS 101
CertAINLY JOHN KERRY OUGHT TO…
I know…bil and hilary and millions of us …were present for KERRY
along b. Bruce Springsteen…in 04
can you say truly Obama would be
able to win this state …truly
or Pa in the fall????
think about Hillary’s serious WHOPPER size win in Ohio ..and then
say…”she’s out of the race”
if so..you may as well concede the
White House…now

Posted by: big time ohioan | March 23, 2008, 11:15 am 11:15 am

The Obama camp is really getting desperate. Putting out info that is racial and putting out lies about themselves and then trying to blame Clinton.. Thats a new low even for Obama..

Posted by: Vince | March 23, 2008, 11:17 am 11:17 am

Please please please don’t elect Obama. The NAFTA thing in Canada due to Obama, saying he is not going to scrap NAFTA to Canadian government and telling the American population something else and after the leak came his officials were threatening the Canadian government that he would get tough with Canada.This man is arrogant and supports racism by permitting it to happen in his Wrightful presence with the approval of his proud to be American wife and kids.

Posted by: Carol Morgan | March 23, 2008, 11:18 am 11:18 am

About two weeks ago I read a statement by someone saying it’s not over till it’s over. I agree and think the tide has changed in favor of Hillary. The super delegates will see this and vote for her knowing she is the only chance the democrats have. Obama is done. McCain will probably win. I know he will win if Obama is on the ticket. He is toast.

Posted by: barefootboy9 | March 23, 2008, 11:26 am 11:26 am

just to add also…
Hillary won Ohio against very serious uphill fight and a GIANT media blitz against…and ALL THE SO CALLED MOMENTEUM
and a ugly deceptive NAFTA campaign brought to our doors very deceptive by OBAMA’s main campaign…
he also outspent her, in Ohi 4 to 1
and SHE STILL WON W/60% or more in every critical swing voter region in this state…
Obama’s major supporters like Kennedy and Rockefeller and Jimmy “no neck” Hoffa
were simply left stunned and reeling
from the TOTAL VICTORY she acheived her
mainly by the force of her own personality, intelligence and gritty determination…
she’s the fighter we need for the middle class of this nation right now
and she proved herself on March 4th in Ohio and Texas to be the kind of populist leader this country is looking for among those w/ real complex jobs situations..and real serious issues going forward

Posted by: big time Ohioan | March 23, 2008, 11:27 am 11:27 am

As we get further into this race, it appears that the media is finally beginning to realize that Obama is not as he appears. He is quite aggressive (and a bit smug-watch his face) in his goal for power, so I don’t see how he can critize the Clinton’s for their background. Obama has allowed his quest for personal gain to be stronger than his service to his constituents, using his advisors in Illinois to guide his future rather than the needs of the people. His business dealings appear much more suspect than the fully investigated business dealings of the Clintons! The only thing proven in the millions and millions of dollars spent investigating the Clintons is that Bill had a dalliance…gee, if that’s all that is proven, if Hillary can forgive, why can’t the rest of us. It’s Easter…let he who is without sin cast the first stone!

Posted by: Pat from Hendersonville | March 23, 2008, 11:28 am 11:28 am

Thanks Ohio – we appreciate your logic and your FACTS. PENNSYLVANIA will follow suit and Hillary will win big there too – then we can expect another speech on how unfairly Obama was treated in that State…BLAH BLAH BLAH…. Like most of you have already said….had the media given out the truth on Obama months ago he would not have won alot of those primaries. Teddy Bare Kennedy and John Kerry must really feel foolish now and the bad hairpiece Richardson will soon see the error of his ways.

Posted by: jimbo | March 23, 2008, 11:29 am 11:29 am

I have supported Hillary and will continue until she says its over.
She is the best candidate. I am concerned with Obama and the Wright issue. He is speaking out of both sides of his mouth. I thought he would make a good vice-president but now I am not sure.
I would like hime to answer the question of why he stayed in the church??
His speech did not answer that question.

Posted by: Pam | March 23, 2008, 11:29 am 11:29 am

Regarding the post about Obama being ahead in delegates, votes, states etc.
Hillary Clinton is ahead on two counts that really matter – LOVE FOR COUNTRY and FIGHTING FOR THE WORKING CLASS.
Go Hillary!!

Posted by: Mahesh | March 23, 2008, 11:35 am 11:35 am

You say Obama is quite agressive in his goal for power. And the Clinton machine isn’t. Give me a break. They will stop at nothing to get the power they desparately want.

Posted by: lulu | March 23, 2008, 11:39 am 11:39 am

in the remaining 9 or 10 states left
Hillary will likely win Pa, West Virginia, Kentucky and possibly Indiana where the former two term and beloved U.S. Senator Evan Byah is strongly in her camp…
She will likely win in Latino areas like Puerto Rico as well
but the west is the rest…but i don’t see him “running off” with the states that are remaining
West Virginia despite Rockerfeller is polling almost 3 to 1 against Obama
and this was BEFORE REV Wright and all this mess about NAFTA AND CANDADA
and i don’t think the indies are frimly in his camp as before…since the same…
so…
Does anyone realy think this guy can win against McCAin either in South Carolina or Georgia AND in PA and Ohio and West Virginia and Tennessee and
Oklahoma, much less
silly little non “blue” states like
Wyoming and Idaho…
if obama dude can’t win Ohio and
Pa and WVA in the primaries…
what hope is left for him in the fall
in the so called “29″ ????
come on now…
Let a good fiery preacher would say…
quoting the famous prophet
“Come let us reasons…together..here”
get real obamaniacs…
take your addicted selves to the
nearest rehab…and get off that
Obama kool aide … and join
the rest of h umanity who sees him
for what he truly is…
a mere human being w/ flaws…like
everyone who happens to have alot
of very rich and powerful Harvard friends…

Posted by: major dumo politics | March 23, 2008, 11:45 am 11:45 am

every day Obama say “change” loudly.
Track his record: he voted 129 times for present In Illinoi.
He said he is a unifier. He went to a anti-America black church for over 20 years.
and he is so honored by a separist organisition’s support.
He defends Wright and wants to throw his white grandmother , a typical white
person under the bus.
don’t need to say more,,the fact is self-explanation.

Posted by: believe in | March 23, 2008, 11:48 am 11:48 am

Miracle happens…Hillary wins by hook and crook.
Now she faces McCain. A man with lots of political experience.
Then, America remembers the ‘smoke & mirrors’ that was the Clinton White House. Everything is fine. Dot Coms will be around and profitable forever. NAFTA absolutely rocks. Bill got a BJ in the Oval Office.
MCCAIN BY A LANDSLIDE.
pick a winner people…

Posted by: MaybeImSexist | March 23, 2008, 11:50 am 11:50 am

Polls against McCain are meaningless at this point. Especially when the Dems are still pounding each other and McCain is hopscotching around the world playing President-to-be. Once a nominee is chosen and Dems rally around him/her things will change. Check the polls again after the Democratic convention.

Posted by: Bob, DC | March 23, 2008, 11:50 am 11:50 am

I have a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach that the Clinton political connections are going to find a way to steal this nomination away from the will of the people. I don’t think she’d be a bad President, but this country will go right back to business as usual – a heavily divided electorate, and at least 4 more years of the hated Clinton name being dragged through the mud.

Posted by: Bill | March 23, 2008, 11:55 am 11:55 am

Bill: Fret not. One of Hillary biggest “political connections” just endorsed Obama — Bill Richardson. That endorsement speaks volumes and signals that there are many more SDs out there about to do the same.

Posted by: Bob, DC | March 23, 2008, 11:59 am 11:59 am

Hillary can always change to indep. if she loses to Obama ..wonder how many votes in the general election Wonder Boy would get lol ..Makes for a sure win for McCain….All you racist fools keep backing Obama and his unamercian pastor .

Posted by: kris | March 23, 2008, 12:01 pm 12:01 pm

winning in Ohio’s 84 out of 88 counties
inside a very very hard fought [100,000 volunteers on each side in Ohio weeks prior to election]
…and doing it with MAJOR demographics shifting in her favor
ALL PRIOR TO REV wright and the negativs about his church affiliation
and winning strongly the south texas hispanic vote and winning ALL of rural texas…
DOES NOT EQUATE TO WHAT SOMEONE HAS ALLEGED AS “HOOK AND CROOK”
its called democracy….
and its called the real majority
voting..bloc of america
the urban vote plus some Harvard drunks like Kennedy and Kerry
who can’t even deliver their own
Massachussets for him
failed him miserably in Ohio and will do so again
In Pa and Wva
its called…
Welcome to the real democratic party
and its not hate filled
its just real reality folks
and its called the working class
america
and unfortunately for some of those
w Obama…
its reality time…
Ohio went for Hillary AGAINST THE
GREATEST MEDIA BLITZ IN MODERN
HISTORY
and she did it ALL ON HER OWN
not w/ big money, big media
or big deceptive campaign purchases
which lied about Nafta and Obama’s
positions on the same…to
blue collar Ohioans
Hillary did NOT send her advisor
to “wink” at the canadians…
and this helped her win…the swing
vote in Ohio BIG TIME…
so, not so “hook and crook”
it was voter rejection of a media favorite
buzz boy…

Posted by: big time Ohioana | March 23, 2008, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm

Washington media establishment, the same people who brought us Iraq war, wants Sen. Obama to be the Democratic nominee; they have been dictating that to the whole country from the begining and I know it would be a big mistake! I am sure the Republicans are going to make Rev. Wright his running-mate in the fall. They will tie Rev. Wright around Sen. Obama’s neck like an albatross! Having not won even one major state during the primaries and having manipulated the caucuses with small groups of zealots, but now not in play for the presidential election, your candidate Mr. Obama is going to find himself stuck! After the Rezko and Wright scandals Sen. Obama is quickly losing support among independents and men. The comming primaries are going to demonstrait that fact Remember, old Ralph is in the game too. If Sen. Obama is the nominee, that will be end of story for Democrats. The best chance of winning the White House for the Democrats is still with Sen. Hillary Clinton. There’s no hard and fast rule you can find that in the Democratic National Committee’s Nomination Rule Book that Superdelegates are supposed to do was ratify the delegate leader, isn’t that why have superdelegates are there in the first place? Democratic party superdeligates can save America from having George Bush’s third term from voting for Sen. Hillary Clinton.
Sen.Obama can’t save anybody from anyhting “wright now” and we still have to see how he saves himself?

Posted by: charleschaplin | March 23, 2008, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm

PEOPLE WITH NOTHING TO HIDE DONT USUALLY HIDE !!
Why wont Hillary release her tax returns? If Hillary can loan 5 million dollars to her campaign then surely the voters have a right to know the source of her funding.
The main excuse we’ve gotten so far is that Hillary Clinton just has too much on her plate. “I’m a little busy right now,” she said during the Ohio debate. “I hardly have time to sleep. But I will certainly work toward releasing, and we will get that done and in the public domain.”
That was three weeks ago. Two weeks ago, Howard Wolfson promised the returns would be released “on or around April 15.” But weren’t the returns completed and filed a long time ago? Doesn’t Clinton’s accountant have time to print them out and make some copies (note to Clinton’s accountant: many Kinko’s are open 24 hours).
In short, it’s well past time for Hillary Clinton to be as “vetted” as she claims to already be — and to have this vetting done now by Democratic voters rather than later by GOP hit squads. She needs to live up to the standard she laid out for Rick Lazio, the opponent in her 2000 Senate race. At that time, she hypocritically said it was “FRANKLY DISTURBING” that Lazio was holding back on releasing his tax returns and she even sent a staffer dressed as Uncle Sam to taunt him during campaign stops.
What a difference eight years — and tens of millions of dollars (some of them from questionable Arab deals) — can make.

Posted by: jock | March 23, 2008, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm

It is time the Obama Campaign engaged the Clinton Campaign in its own terms.
Who gave the Clinton Campaign the pass to attack and attack with all those NEGATIVES and then hide behind Senator Obama’s promise to run a different and uplifting campaign.
He has done that for a long time. The electorate has rewarded him with voting and caucusing for him. But, the electorate also would like some facts to be highlighted.
If, one of the requests Senator Clinton makes is “HIGHER ME AS THE NEXT COMMANDER IN CHIEF”, then as every body who has ever applied for a job knows, she has to present a copy and origional for all qualifiction and experience claims made. The interviewer – in this case the electorate- is obliged to cross check for the copy BEING A TRUE copy. Further, has to check about if the documents are true and source verifieable.
These process is applicable to any and all applicats. Mrs. Clinton made a lot of claims, her White House Office schedulle came out and all information within has to be cross checked.
During such a normal practice it showed that “SHE WAS PRO NAFTA AND DID TALK TO 120 LADIES AND ASKED THEM TO LOBY FOR THE PASSAGE OF NAFTA”. This is an inconsistancy between her claim and the documents she presented to prove her claim. Senator Obama and his Camaign are not responsible for this. Senator Clinton and her Campaign are.
If an ordinary person does this in an interview, he/she will be considered fraud and Kicked out of the place of the interview.He/She will be shamed and leave in digrace. If he/she speakes against the Bussiness he/she will be asking for further action against oneself. Fortunately, in the case of all “THE CLAIMS” made by Mrs. Clinton or her Campain the quencequense is loss of the nomination.
That is a resonable price to pay.

Posted by: S. Mengesha | March 23, 2008, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm

Clinton nor Obama can win the presidency. Highter Tax’s and socialistic government is all they have to offer. Is that really what Americans want. I don’t think so. I pay in 48% of may income now. What will I pay if and when the democrat’s take over our country. Stop working, thats one answer, but starving is no fun. Think about.Higher Tax’s, Communistic government, socialistic politics. Not for me.

Posted by: wfe | March 23, 2008, 12:19 pm 12:19 pm

When Bush took office gas was $1.47 per gallon,…

Posted by: Jerry | March 23, 2008, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm

The recurring argument from Clinton’s supporters that, if Obama is the nominee, they’d vote McCain is as irresponsible as Hillary’s open support for McCain. Please go ahead but don’t call yourselves democrats. Real democrats place democratic values above any individual candidate. If you’re happy with the current economy, the price of gas, the war, the deficit and the lack of universal healthcare, and if you’re masochistic, then please vote for McCain.

Posted by: JustinA | March 23, 2008, 12:25 pm 12:25 pm

Now that the DNC has given Obama a veto over the re-vote in Mich and Fla, the voters of which, apparently, scares him, the DNC is requiring that the superdelegates decide the race. Well done!

Posted by: luke | March 23, 2008, 12:25 pm 12:25 pm

I don’t believe Obama likes, no less loves America. Why didn’t he salute the American Flag? HILLARY IS OUR BEST HOPE OF FIXING THE HORRENDOUS MESS BEING LEFT US BY THE BUSH MIS-ADMINISTRATION.

Posted by: Dee White | March 23, 2008, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm

Real, Obama has no chance of reaching enough votes to win the nomination if Hilliary does not drop out.
It is going to go down to the superdelegates……….who may after watching Obama’s support fall into the big black hole that has just appeared will be forced to make tuff decisions.
I didn’t think it possible before, but I can’t believe the dems have found someone more hated than even Hilliary. Eeek…Obama is unelectable, Hell he may even be in jail by November giving his scams are coming to light.

Posted by: creature4444 | March 23, 2008, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm

A “citizen” of what country?

Posted by: Jerry | March 23, 2008, 12:47 pm 12:47 pm

why should Hillary drop out she could still win I am tierd of Obama’s gang mentality and the lies the media tells I don’t think he can get Hillary’s votes like they all claim nor can he win the GE

Posted by: Bishop | March 23, 2008, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm

Virginia Independant,…It is incredible, isn’t it?
NOBAMA 08!!

Posted by: Jerry | March 23, 2008, 1:07 pm 1:07 pm

I am getting soooo tired of all of this. Clinton is starting to remind me of the cyborg in terminator one–Even when the body is blown up–that horrible metal hand starts inching forward–I keep hearing Arnold’s voice…I’ll be back! Clinton would have to win by 70% to approach the delegate count–If the roles were reversed Obama would have already been pushed out! She is like Mike Huckabee on steriods…only not as charitable.

Posted by: DEQ54 | March 23, 2008, 1:09 pm 1:09 pm

Bill Richardson is supporting Obama, so does anti-American rev Wright and hate-filled Farrakhan.

Posted by: Kansas | March 23, 2008, 1:13 pm 1:13 pm

Clinton is staying in until the end she gave her word to her supporters so to bad get over it. And stop all the bs about her not being able to win she can win in Nov. and Obama can’t

Posted by: Bishop | March 23, 2008, 1:14 pm 1:14 pm

“I am a die-hard democrat and if Hillary Clinton is not the nominee, I will be voting for the Republican nominee in November. The End!”
–Don’t claim to be a die-hard and say that. Do what you want, that’s fine and I can respect that, but if you’re willing to turn your back on the party, you’re not a die-hard.

Posted by: Jason | March 23, 2008, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm

I’m a True Democrat that will vote for Ralph Nader if she wins the nomination. She is more Republican than McCain and there’s no way I’ll ever vote Republican.

Posted by: steve | March 23, 2008, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm

If Obama gets the nomination not only will I vote for mccain I will campaign for him. And I am not affraid of partaking in a smear campaign like mccain himself is… Obama will not win in November…

Posted by: kelly | March 23, 2008, 1:25 pm 1:25 pm

Why do people always threaten to vote for McCain if Hillary doesn’t win or if Obama doesn’t win. Oh, that’s because you are a republican anyway.

Posted by: lisa | March 23, 2008, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm

Obama claims to be a uniter, what a joke. The democratic party has been torn apart to the point that it doesn’t matter if Obama or Clinton wins. Clinton people will not vote for Obama and vice versa. After the 9/11 attacks the country came together, democrat and republican in common support of the country we love. The exception was reverend wright who chose division over unity. This is what Obama supports?? I hate to see the republicans get back in the white house but I will get a sense of comfort seeing Obama sent packing back to Chicago where he can continue in this hate mongering church.

Posted by: Firefighter | March 23, 2008, 1:41 pm 1:41 pm

the longer Hillary stay the race, the more damage clintons legacy would suffer. Charactor and personality are very important issues that voters would weight in their dicision. Clintons just under estimated them. the two fighters are fighting for Clinton’s third terms. That’s all.

Posted by: brightofeyes | March 23, 2008, 1:44 pm 1:44 pm

Howard Dean should step down as the head of the DNC. If the Democrats lose the November election, it won’t be because of Obama’s lies or Hillary’s determination, but because of Dean’s idiotic disenfranchisement of Michigan and Florida.
November will come down to basic electoral math. The Dems, whether it’s Hillary or Obama, will not be able to beat McCain without Michigan and Florida. The longer Screaming Dean puts off a solution that’s best for THE PEOPLE in those states, the more potential Democratic voters he throws to McCain.
Dean will go down in history as the man who killed the Democratic Party if the Dems lose in November.

Posted by: Justin | March 23, 2008, 1:48 pm 1:48 pm

I say forget about running for president, Obama should be in jail.

Posted by: creature4444 | March 23, 2008, 1:49 pm 1:49 pm

Good post Jack. I agree completely.

Posted by: lisa | March 23, 2008, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm

Why is the media even giving this press? Just because someone runs there mouth does not mean it is press worthy. Hillary is not going to drop out of the race when it is this close and no Obama does not have any more of a lock on the nomination then Hillary does. In fact let me tell you how this is all going to end. Hillary will win more votes and delegates the Obama in the last 10 races but not enough to over come Obama’s lead in delegates. She will gain the lead in popular votes however. Then in Denver a motion to accept the votes and delegates from Florida and Michigan will be put forth and on national TV the floor will have no choice but to seat them because to do otherwise would look anti democracy. This will give Hillary the lead in delegates and the popular vote and that will give the super delegates the reason to make her the nominee! Why do you think Obama and his supporter and the bias media are really trying to promote Hillary dropping out before Denver, They know this and are afraid!

Posted by: Roger | March 23, 2008, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm

YES WE CAN..what?? What exactly can UH “O” do that Hillary cannot?? If he gets the Democratic nomination…than I am voting for McCain here in “swingvoteville” Florida. I would have voted for McCain back in 2000′ if I’d had the chance. I used to think that Bill was an evil person…that is until I look back and understand what he stood for, came from and did for the counrty. HILLARY IS THE BEST CHOICE. and I will vote for her if I can in the national election. AND why is it that so many Politicians are keeping their respective churches so close? Separation of Church and State. And it should always remain that way! I pray to God. I pray that no one suffers, no one goes hungry. NOT G-Dmn America!!! What an angry old minister Rev-Wright is! Like I grew up being told: stop preaching and start doing!
Doh!

Posted by: Star51_ | March 23, 2008, 2:04 pm 2:04 pm

The superdelegates jobs are to safeguard the integrity of the Democratic Party, and ensure they put forth the candidate that has the best chance of winning in November. It is not the superdelegates job to reflect the constituency, even though Barack Obama would have you to believe so. I’m not sure even he believes that considering Hillary won Massachusettes and New Mexico, but Kerry, Kennedy and Richardson support Obama. He can’t have it both ways here. With Obama on self destruct mode and sticking his foot into his mouth all the time now, it will behoove the Party to wait and see what else happens. The worst thing is to award the nomination to Obama, force Hillary out now which would cause half the party to revolt and defect in outrage, and then find out Obama is so tainted as a candidate that he couldn’t win in November. The superdelegates will have to step in and do their job, and do what they can to preserve the Democratic Party. But truth be told, I really do think it is too late for that. There will be no party unity, and there will be a Republican in the White House.

Posted by: jdona | March 23, 2008, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm

Big Time Ohioans : I agree with you. I have studdied the voting patterns of states, and AL, GA, SC, NC, VA, TN,
AR, LA, usually go republican in the general election. Obama won most of those states. Take AL for example, Obama carried it by large number, but only about 25 % of the population are democrats. Same with MS, LA, GA, SC and several of the other states. Florida is close to 50/50 but now there are more people in Florida from Mexico and Cuba than blacks. Those folks will not vote for Obama. Most of the Cuban and Mexicans like Hillary. The only county in Florida that I think would go for Obama is Gainesville. Hillary is the only chance for the democrats to win. Wake up Obama people, he is not going to win. He has lost it in the last two weeks.

Posted by: barefootboy9 | March 23, 2008, 2:08 pm 2:08 pm

Yo! this is NOT some ball game, one win one loose go home, sleep on it, life continues situation. No it is not! This is real politics that will affect your whole life and your country. It will have dire consequences if you sell out your country foolishly to some embittered muslim senator shouting “change” without even knowing what the change might be!!! He can’t even represent all Americans!
Shame on you all that support the impostor with racist inspirations. Is this what our troops died for????????
Vote for someone who is proud to be American, and will lead and protect what is yours!
CLINTON + EDWARDS for President 2008!

Posted by: Retro Vision | March 23, 2008, 2:15 pm 2:15 pm

Big time Ohioans: You forgot to mention the fact that over 100,000 Republicans voted for Hillary in Ohio. Seems they know they can’t beat Obama and want Hillary to win the nomination because they know for sure McCain will beat her.

Posted by: steve | March 23, 2008, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm

This is great to see the democrats split over two candidates with same policies. I hope you Dems follow thru by voting for McCain if Obama gets the nomination. 4 more years of Bush sounds good to me. I’ve pick up a lot of cheap real estate under the Bush presidency and this econonmy isn’t so bad for everybody.

Posted by: DemorGOP | March 23, 2008, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm

Hillary STAY IN THE RACE. As more and more unpleaseant surprises come out about Obama and people wake up and realize he would get creamed in the general election, it will be clear that you are the only choice.

Posted by: J | March 23, 2008, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm

Retro Vision: Well written and I agree with you. I also would like to see Edwards as VP with Clinton. He was really my first choice for president. At his age, if he could be VP and in 4 to 8 years run for President. He is still young. Anyone but Obama and I say that because of his background and the company he has kept, not because of race. I could easily vote for Colin Powell and a few other blacks. Just pray that people wake up. I feel we will have a republican in the white house, but Clinton may have a good chance of winning. Obama has no chance in November.

Posted by: barefootboy9 | March 23, 2008, 2:26 pm 2:26 pm

Steve, McCain could beat Obama a lot easier than he could Hillary. Obama has lost it in the last two weeks. People have found out about him.

Posted by: barefootboy9 | March 23, 2008, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm

Neither Hillary nor Obama is responsible for the current tempest within the democratic party. Murdoch’s Fox News and the Limbaugh-Coulter cattle are once again exploiting this nation’s anguish as it struggles to reconcile its “melting pot” mythology with matters of religion, race, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, and economic inequality. The politics of inclusion, for which both Hillary and Obama stand, are anathema to those right of the center.
Murdoch a Hillary supporter? More likely that the Easter Bunny and Santa Clause actually make all their deliveries in person.

Posted by: Patrick in Columbus | March 23, 2008, 2:31 pm 2:31 pm

SOMEBODY TELL HILLARY THAT IT’S OVER – SHE’S TOAST – WHERE’S THE JELLY?
AND YOU KNOW IT’S OVER WHEN SHE KEEPS SAYING IT’S NOT

Posted by: Randle Bate | March 23, 2008, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm

The only reason so many people keep putting Hillary down and saying she should quit and has no chance is because THEY ARE SCARED! BE AFRAID IDIOTS! Obama is useless and wrong.

Posted by: Nicole | March 23, 2008, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm

Oregon Voter: You check back and I think you will be disappointed. Just in case Hillary is not nominated, check back in November and see how much McCain defeats Obama. Obama cannot win this race. In the last two weeks everywhere I go people are laughing about him even being considered a serious candidate. I still think the people of this country are to smart to let you ultra liberals run this country. I predice the GOP will gain some of the seats in congress this year.

Posted by: barefootboy9 | March 23, 2008, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm

today Obama said following words:
I lied to voters when I said “change” because I voted 129 times for “present”
Iied to voters when I said “we are one nation” because I was so honored to have Pathner’s support, and list its name on my official website. although I knew Pathner is a separist organisition.
I lied to voters when I said ‘unify ‘ because I went to a black anti -America church for 20 years.
I lied to voters when I said I had good judge,because I believed in Wright 20 years.
I lied to voters when I said that I will end war in Iraq, because my adviser told the foreign reports that my plan are just words as president I won’t depend on it.
NAFTA -gate.you all know I lied to you .
I defends Wright and wants to throw my white grandmother , a typical white person under the bus
do you want to vote for me?

Posted by: wordsmatter | March 23, 2008, 2:53 pm 2:53 pm

It may be too late to save the Dems from Obama’s McGovern-like spanking in the GE. But Hillary has bounced back every time she’s been counted out. Each time that Obama seemed inevitable and needed one knockout punch he was incapable of delivering it. He’s had the advantage of a fawning media and lack of scrutiny but he still couldn’t put it away and the longer it goes on the more trouble for Obama. This all speaks well for Hillary’s chances.

Posted by: hopesprings52 | March 23, 2008, 3:01 pm 3:01 pm

Note to supporters of any candidate except Obama: You may already know this, but there are numerous media outlets which are in the bag for Obama, and will not allow any, or many criticisms of him on their blogs. Some of them are: The Baltimore Sun, Huffington Post, CNN, MSNBC, and the Los Angeles Times. There are probably many more, but these are the ones I’ve noticed so far. Obviously, there are some very powerful people who are trying to sway this election towards Obama. It reminds me very much of the way the media helped George Bush so much in his early years. Very scary.

Posted by: Fred | March 23, 2008, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm

Stop the MADNESS!!! We all love these candidates way moreeeee than George Bush regardless if you’re a Hillary or a Obama supporter so lets stop acting like we dont because the republican strategy is to have us go at each other just like this. We need to encourage our candidates to keep it clean no matter who wins and we need to stop attacking each other after each news story that comes out. Let them battle this out on the issues so that we can win in Nov. PLEASE!!!!!!

Posted by: Phil G | March 23, 2008, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm

Please people of this country wake up. Obama will ensure a McCain victory in the General Election. Do we want more Republican rule? No. If you people of this country make Obama the Nominee for the Democratic Party – you will kiss this election goodbye for the Democrats in November. Be smart. Choose wisely. This is the country’s future at stake. This is no laughing matter. You’ve got two choices. Don’t make the wrong choice because of a “rock star” status candidate with no experience and who is full of fluff speeches and no real plans for America.

Posted by: Kenneth | March 23, 2008, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm

You won’t win in November. Even with all the things going against Bush & the GOP, McCain still leads Obama & Hillary in the national polls. Wow. You people sure could learn some lessons in how to choose people who could actually, oh , let’s see, “win” in a presidential election.

Posted by: Jo | March 23, 2008, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm

So are people still saying that Obama is the change and uniter canidate?

Posted by: lois | March 23, 2008, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm

Stop saying Hillary won Texas, Hillary lost Texas in the only way that matters, delegates. It’s over for Hillary. Michigan and Florida were her last chance catch Obama in the popular vote at the least but she basicly has no chance of ever doing that even.

Posted by: Mike | March 23, 2008, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm

Greetings to Hillary from Pennsylania. Happy Easter. The Lord’s infinite mercy and grace be with you and family. Peace.

Posted by: benvictor | March 23, 2008, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm

Fred, you had me all the way until you said the media was in the tank for Bush back when he was running.
Are you serious? All surveys show the media is 95% democrat. It’s a fact. So please don’t kid yourself. The media has never and was never in the tank for ANY Bush, so get real.

Posted by: Jo | March 23, 2008, 3:36 pm 3:36 pm

It’s past the 5th inning and its raining hard and even lightening on the field. Obama leads and we just need the refs to call the game.

Posted by: john | March 23, 2008, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm

If Obama wants us to believe he’s a uniter, he needs to start with his own church community. Unite them, heal their racial divide against the whites,then get back to the rest of us. Until then it’s hollow words.

Posted by: Jo | March 23, 2008, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm

If Hillary does not win the nomination I will vote for McCain.

Posted by: Ellen | March 23, 2008, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm

Ellen, me too. None of the Hillary supporters I know will vote for Obama. The bitterness is running deep, plus we know he cannot win.

Posted by: JRB | March 23, 2008, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm

very concerned, vote for whoever you want. Sorry your candidate will not be coronated. Barack Obama will be the next President of the United States. And you know what? There is nothing you can do about it.

Posted by: alagbon | March 23, 2008, 3:44 pm 3:44 pm

More temper tantrums if Hillary doesn’t win. I’m going to stomp my feet and vote for McCain. That’ll show everyone. Oh please.

Posted by: Sam | March 23, 2008, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm

Saw Richardson and Rendell on Sunday talk this morning. Richardson not making too much sense. He was pressured to make the endorsement, wasn’t he?

Posted by: lois | March 23, 2008, 3:49 pm 3:49 pm

Unshrub: You are correct. Most Hillary supporters are not against Obama for his policies, as much. In fact, we liked his policies from the start when Hillary developed them.

Posted by: Fred | March 23, 2008, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm

I PERSONALLY THINK OBAMA SHOULD GET THE DEMOCRACTIC DOMINATION BECAUSE HE EMBODIES THE CHANGE THIS COUNTRY AND WORLD IS LOOKING FOR. I UNDERSTAND WHY CLINTON IS FIGHTING HARD TO GET IT AS WELL. IF YOU LOOK AT MATH, SHE CAN FORGET IT, IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, EVEN WITH THE 10 OR SO STATES LEFT TO VOTE IN THE PRIMARY.

Posted by: VINCENT HAYES | March 23, 2008, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm

to unshrub- we r basing most of our decisions based on Obamas voting record in Illinois, in the U S Senate, his 20 years of being mentored by that racist pastor Wright along with all the inconsistencies in his statements and actions. Hillary is no Saint for sure but doesnt it make you wonder about all the Obama-Drama all the time ?? Had the media given the full picture months ago i honestly believe that alot of people would not have voted for him. Would you take your child to some fanatic week after week and let your child hear words of hate over and over ? Most parents would not and as much as I dislike Oprah Winfrey for playing the race card in the beginning of all this at least SHE DROPPED OUT of Wrights church !!!

Posted by: junglejim123 | March 23, 2008, 4:11 pm 4:11 pm

Sorry Fred, they are democratic policies, not Hillary’s. I assume you know what the democratic agenda is

Posted by: Sam | March 23, 2008, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm

Well, Sam, if the policies of both candidates are merely the democratic agenda, then I suppose neither should get credit. Then what we have left in Obama is an inexperienced, deceptive, ruthless politician, who just loves to frequent a church whose pastor (his “mentor and spiritual adviser”) spouts racist and anti-American garbage. Oh, I forgot; he does read a speech off a teleprompter better than any candidate since Ronald Reagan.

Posted by: Fred | March 23, 2008, 4:18 pm 4:18 pm

There are still about a dozen states that haven’t been heard. Why not let them have their say by voting? If the DNC is worried about the effects of primaries going on until June, then why didn’t they say something last year when these primaries were scheduled? Maybe for the next cycle, all primaries should end by the middle of April?
I think it is premature to ask Clinton to step aside. Frankly, if the nomination process hadn’t lasted this long, these controversies surrounding Obama wouldn’t surfaced these past few weeks but they would have eventually come out in the fall. Obama now has time to prepare for them.
Would you ask all the contenders in the US trial for the marathon to drop out now so that the favorite can rest up for the Olympics? Maybe the lowly seeded team playing the favorite in the first round of the NCAA basketball final should withdraw so the favorite can prepare for the more important game against the other top seeds? No, let the competition go on. You never know what surprises or upsets lay ahead.

Posted by: pearson | March 23, 2008, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm

ELLEN AND JRB–If OBAMA dont win, defintely HILLIARY wont!!!!!!!!!!! This voter will be going McCAIN. Also I AFRICAN AMERICAN who never voted republican b-4, but will be this time [THANKS TO HATEFUL HILLIARY SUPPORTERS} and HILLIARY distasteful campaign!!

Posted by: READY999 | March 23, 2008, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm

I was a Hillary supporter, but after viewing this blog with all this hate,on both sides, I’ve decided to vote for Ralph Nader.
How can any of you say that you will vote for McCain when the war has killed and maimed so many our troops? Stop thinking about “me” and start thinking of “US”.
I’ve done my research, and found that the Clinton Administration has done a lot of damage over the past 15 years to ruin the Democratic Party.
It looks like they have finally succeeded.
As for Reverend Wright, why don’t some of you take the time to look at the complete sermons before passing judgment?
The bottom line form my viewpoint is
-Obama, not experienced enough
-Clinton, too many lies, and baggage!

Posted by: Shaarona | March 23, 2008, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm

I say the candidate with the most pledged delegates wins…no, the superdelegates should make up their own mind…No, Richardson should follow the will of his state…Oh, the voters of Nevada should be able to vote in the city…No, now I’ll sue because it would be undemocratic if they vote in the city…Michigan and Florida shouldn’t count because they broke the rules…I mean they should count because the voters should’t be disenfranchised…No, the national polls count…No, they don’t count…No they do count…Okay, if we can get the highest popular vote, that’ll count…unless we don’t get the most in popular votes…

Posted by: Yes08 | March 23, 2008, 4:51 pm 4:51 pm

One thing for sure if everyone is telling the truth, we will have a republican president again. All Obama supporters will vote McCain if hillary is the nominee and all Hillary supporters will vote McCain if Obama is the nominee. No way will I vote for Obama and I now believe the majority of people still backing him< I said majority not all are black.

Posted by: barefootboy9 | March 23, 2008, 4:58 pm 4:58 pm

Lets see we have the following primaries Pennsylvania , North Carolina , Oregon, Kentucky, Indiana and a few others –they should turn out well for Hillary. Why should she drop out ??? Are you afraid more dirt will emerge on Obama ?? Hill -stay in the race. The public is finally hearing and seeing the true Obamas and it AINT pretty !!! Now we have passport -gate ..only to find out that it is supporters of Obama that have been caught doing the snooping- and you all thought it was Hillary !! Surprise, surprise. And we thoguht Obama would run the clean campaign that he promised and Changs would fall from the sky. I think not ..business as usual !!

Posted by: jimbo | March 23, 2008, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm

Earlier today one of the Mainstream news station stated that if Hilary won the nomination that the Obama followers would not vote for her, but if Obama won the Hilary supporters would vote for Obama. Not on your life. Where do they get this informaion. Anyone who votes for Obama votes for hate, racism and 4 years of communism. I rather see McCain in office

Posted by: Decided | March 23, 2008, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm

Yes, Sue, it is scary.
I’m seriously questioning our patriotism across the board!
I’m leaving now. This is sad…

Posted by: Shaarona | March 23, 2008, 5:01 pm 5:01 pm

shaarona
don’t waste your vote on ralph nader
its a throw away and it will lead only to a McCain and a Bush led policey for another 8 years…
hillary is NOT an evil person and she is NOT ruining the dem party
she is running on the white female voter and the white working and poor classes vote
and she has strong appeal to a constituent she served for YEARS before
she EVER was thirty years of old
the latinos…
AND AS FEMALE you ought to be very careful voting for someone who is NOT
in favor of true women’s isues
and i’m not talking abortion but
health care for women, children and
education…
so many teachers in southern ohio
showed up for HIllary EVERYWHERE SHE WENT
and they LOVED HER
and many many young women did also
the major media did NOT display this to the world
you must judge Hillary by not what you read “about” her
but by her own dedicated efforts to help end poverty, hunger, and inequality in educational opportunites
and her strong stance against the oil companies profiteering…
She’s the ONLY one who is calling for a windfall profits tax
in a very seroius and open manner
so please…consider your vote
and do NOT throw it away to a guy
who gave us…basically george
bush…instead of Al Gore…
please…read about that 200 election and nader’s ugly role in handing the white house issue to the corporations he claims he fights against…
he more than any other person…
kept Gore from winning Florida
other than the corrupt system there
so don’t vote for him…

Posted by: big time Ohioan | March 23, 2008, 5:06 pm 5:06 pm

SHE IS THE ONE…
…who will be responsible if McCain wins, whether by getting this nomination (the majority of Americans think she cannot be trusted – after the last few months I sure am one) or by destroying Obama and the Democratic Party!
…who would do ANYTHING to win the nomination or pull everybody else down with her!
I AM APALLED, HILLARY CLINTON!
SHAME ON YOU!!!

Posted by: outragious008 | March 23, 2008, 5:07 pm 5:07 pm

TO: Shaarona — It is your privilege to vote for whomever you choose. However, voting for Nader will NOT end the killing in Iraq. Voting Democrat might.

Posted by: M. Saint | March 23, 2008, 5:08 pm 5:08 pm

Special thanks to big time Ohian- he speaks the truth although alot of you dont want to hear it. He knows that Obama spent 3 times as much as Clinton in Ohio and she blew Obama away !! He gave out pamphlets with misleading information in an attempt to discredit Hillary but it back fired on him. Now comes Pennsylvania- my former State and I know its people welll..Just like the good people in Ohio the Pa citizens aren’t falling for the Obama Pied Piper routine- they can see through the distortions and the drama swirling around him. He may win Philadelphia but even Phillys black mayor is for Clinton. the rest of the state is Clinton Country. While Obama may say PA is not important— he knows it is – again another distortion on his part. The fine people of PA wont take too kindly to him saying they are not that important so look for Obama to move on to another state where he thinks he can cast his spell. Thanks Ohian – keep spreading the word. NO BAMA 2008 and no more OBAMA-DRAMA !! Now count in Florida and Michigan and in spite of what you hear Obama DID air campaign commercials in Florida in spite of his vow not to campaign there…another distortion ? Gosh Im losing track – too much DRAMA !!!

Posted by: jimbo | March 23, 2008, 5:11 pm 5:11 pm

Obama has enjoyed unparalleled latitude and adulation from the press so far, but he is beginning to experience the scrutiny that should have been applied a long while ago. His credibility is fading FAST. If Clinton is out, then McCain is the next president, so be careful what you wish for.

Posted by: Lbh | March 23, 2008, 5:13 pm 5:13 pm

TO: big time Ohioan — You are right! The media never shows the overwhelming support that Hillary Clinton has from TEACHERS & NURSES everywhere. Their millions plus member unions both support HILLARY CLINTON. Teachers & Nurses are educated. They work in the trenches. They know what her words mean. They have seen what her dedication has done to enrich the lives of children. The media smear against Clinton is disturbing & unfair.

Posted by: M. Saint | March 23, 2008, 5:14 pm 5:14 pm

It’s become increasingly clear that the vast majority of Hillary supporters will never vote for Obama. Obama’s supporters still cling to the idea that Obama can beat McCain. The reality is that he can’t win in the G.E. without the rest of the democratic party. It is, however, still possible for Hillary to win the nomination. Here’s how: Obama’s appeal has dwindled exponentially since Wright, Rezko, his abysmal voting record, and more recent discoveries about his camps’s involvement in the passport conspiracy. With these things in voters minds, the remaining primaries spell disaster for Obama, which may well prompt the superdelegates and some pledged delegates to swing support for Hillary. This is a likely scenario at this stage, but even if through the recklessness of his supporters, Obama pulls off the nomination, he’ll lose handily to McCain. If the dems lose the G.E. to McBush, the legacy of Barrack Obama will be the tremendous damage he inflicted on our party, with the help of Howard Dean.

Posted by: Emily | March 23, 2008, 5:16 pm 5:16 pm

Calling someone a Judas doesn’t mean the person thinks they are Jesus, so quit Thinking. It has become a term which is synonymous with betrayal and what Richardson did was betrayal. He could have waited but he must have received an offer he couldn’t refuse.
Now that we know superdelegates can use their own judgment, they should all come out now and support either Hillary or Obama. Obama has been the one who has been saying that they shouldn’t make a decision based on judgment, but I guess it is only okay when it benefits him. Now that we know it is okay, they should all make their judgment known.
Until the two candidates for the nomination were narrowed to Hillary and Obama, Hillary was never considered a racist or divisive on ethnic issues for any race. Who does it benefit to hint that the Clintons are racists?
Attending a black liberation theology church which is also anti-American for 20 yrs. doesn’t show the kind of judgment I want in a leader. Obama can make a good speech about race, which really wasn’t the only issue surrounding Rev. Wright, but he shouldn’t be President of the U.S. because he is a good orator. If he is the democratic nominee, he won’t win the general election. The superdelegates need to make their choices known so that there is time to begin to heal before the general election. Unfortunately, addressing the issues of race are going to take a lot longer to heal than one election.

Posted by: sarnorton | March 23, 2008, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm

“Is this what our troops died for????????”
@retro…
Our troops died because Hillary Clinton and John McCain authorized a war that was a mistake from the beginning and has caused only pain and suffering in thousands of American and Iraqi families without achieving anything in return, a war that has created a new breeding and training ground for terrorists in the Middle East…
And you are seriously suggesting that same woman to be commander in chief?!

Posted by: outragious008 | March 23, 2008, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm

To: SlickWillie — Respectfully, the candidate who has proven to mislead voters is Barack Obama. In Ohio, to a cheering crowd of desperate folks who have lost their jobs & homes, he rages against NAFTA, comes across extremely ANTI-NAFTA and leads the crowd to believe he does not support NAFTA. Privately, he speaks with the Canadians reassuring them that he truly DOES support NAFTA but that his words were merely “political posturing.” That is BETRAYAL & INSINCERITY. Then, for days Obama DENIES that any sort of conversation took place. Evidence appears & Obama is forced into telling the TRUTH. HOW DOES OBAMA’S DISHONESTY REPRESENT A CHANGE IN WASHINGTON? There is a PATTERN OF DECEPTION & MISDIRECTION with OBAMA. He lies until someone finds the evidence. It happened with REZKO. Rezko helped Obama to the tune of $250,000.00 although for a year and a half Obama DENIED the depth of his relationship with REZKO. I am sure this sort of deception will continue should Obama become president. I am not trying to be ugly or anti-Obama. I am stating the FACTS based on EVIDENCE.

Posted by: M. Saint | March 23, 2008, 5:23 pm 5:23 pm

EMILY– The one who damage the party was HILLIARY. She cant catch up and she have defintely damage the party for years to come. Its look like BUSH-CLINTON-BUSH-McCAIN. OBAMA cant be PRESIDENT but VP either though he the forerunner per {HILLIARY}–NO WAY.

Posted by: READY999 | March 23, 2008, 5:26 pm 5:26 pm

PLEASE LOOK AT THIS CAREFULLY:
There is no way that Obama will score less than 45% in any of the remaining primaries, even if Florida and Michigan are revoted. Hillary cannot scote more than 55% anywhere. Even then its very hard for her to pass Obama lead.
If the above is true, then she should seriously consider withdrawing as early as possible, perhaps no later than Pennsylvania primary, if the above holds true, so it will give winner 6 months to fight against republicans, rather than 3 months.

Posted by: HAWorried | March 23, 2008, 5:40 pm 5:40 pm

I believe it is good that this campaign will be decided in Denver. It’s invigorating to see that every vote from every state is making a difference. The Democrats will be foolish to ignore the Florida and Michigan voters especially since a Republican legislature in Florida moved the dates. Hillary has received my support and my monetary donations.

Posted by: ccbgt74 | March 23, 2008, 5:41 pm 5:41 pm

Hillary did indeed vote for the war based on the Bush Adminsitration’s estimates and intelligence…..Remember Colin Powell’s speech about Saddams weapons and intentions ? If Hillary had not voted most of you would have said she was racist and against Colin Powell !!!!! Hillary has never denied it and she has not backed down from it…Good for her !!! Obama talked against the war but has voted many times to keep funding it and he voted against a time table to bring the troops home. BUT HE SAID YEARS AGO THAT HE WOULD HAVE VOTED AGAINST it. Sorta like John Kerry – I voted against it before I kept voting for it … Stop the shenanigans Obama – finally America is waking up to your double talk on the war, Nafta, your preacher, REZKO etc etc and more dirt to come out soon—guaranteed OBAMA- DRAMA !!!

Posted by: jmbo | March 23, 2008, 5:43 pm 5:43 pm

It’ll be tough for the die-hard Hillary fans after Hillary finally concedes. They’ll have to go through the 7 stages of grief. And then there will be a slow turnaround. By 2012, if Obama is running for reelection, Hillary will be forgotten.
This is what happens every election that there’s a tough primary. Whichever side wins, the other has to experience it. And the strongest of supporters have set themselves up for the worst of the experience.

Posted by: Mark Jensen | March 23, 2008, 5:47 pm 5:47 pm

If the press had come out with all the negative baggage that Obama has in January, we would not be seeing this problem with the Democratic Party today.
Fox news had all the news then why not other mainstream media show them… It is all media to blame for this mess. They kept OBAMA at the top and now he is refusing to come down and stopping Hillary from contesting.
Hillary, keep fighting. It is your right and no need to back off for the crying Obama. Obama cries foul and is never satisfied. No more free give away, let him earn it.
PA voters unite and give Hillary a good victory.

Posted by: GS | March 23, 2008, 5:52 pm 5:52 pm

Mark Jensen This time you don’t know what you don’t know what you are talking about. McCain is not as far to the right as some of you think and I think he will win if Obama is the nominee. I have voted democrat all my life, but nothing can keep me from voting McCain if Obama is the nominee. I think there are millions of people that feel this way. He can’t win. Too much have come out on him the last couple of weeks and I think there will be much more in the future.

Posted by: barefootboy9 | March 23, 2008, 5:54 pm 5:54 pm

Ragtag
where does one get your math…
Hillary will win pa by over 55%
and its very much the same in WVA
if you are talkinga bout delegate
strength then..what is VERY CLEAR
is this
1] Obama does NOT win EITHER
and 2] Obama loses the popular vote
edge in the Pa Primary and especially after WVA
so…she wins the popular vote
she wins ALL OF THE MAJOR stsates
outside of Mo and Illinois [she split MO actually]
Obama LOSES PA AND OHIO BY WIDE MARGINS

finall…the delegat count..
DO NOT WIN WHITE HOUSES
THEY DON”T MATTER IN THE FALL AT ALL
capish?
Delegate voter edges leading into the
covention is just a very very false
read…
if you understand american national presdidential politics…
why? because the urban voter was given WAY MORE DELEGATE STRENGTH IN PLACES LIKE DALLAS AND HOUSON AND CLEVELAND AND CINCIN
as opposes to the one person , one vote idea …in the same major primaries
its very very serious to rely ONLY
on this “proportional” delegate count as a METHODOLOGY TO WIN THE WHITEHOUSE…
IF A WOMEN A WHITE FEMALE WON OHIO BY 84 out of 88 counties
and she WINS PA BY SIMILAR IF NOT LARGER MARINGS AND THEN WINS WVA AND KENTUCKY AND PROBABLY INDIANA
with cali and new york and new jersey
and florida’s popular vote and texas popular vote
along w/ tennessee, Oklahoma and Arkansas…
why do you NOT want her to be the
head of the ticket…to face down a
moderate republican in teh fall?
do you really think the southern states are going to go for Obama in the fall?
do you really think wyoming and Idaho and colorado and others like this
are going to matter in the fall?
compared to Ohio and MIchigan and Pa?
come now…let us reason together my friends…
obama will NOT WIN OHIO OR PA IN THE FALl…
it just won’t happen…
IF he had kept it very very close
in these states…i would say you guys have a point…
but it doesn’t work
84 out of 88 counties where Obama
spent hillary 4 to 1
and had ALL the major newspapers on his side and all the major media in this stsate on his side
and he lost BIG
and the same is coming in PA…
soon to a theatre /tv pundit’s
recrimination, near u

Posted by: big time Ohioan | March 23, 2008, 5:56 pm 5:56 pm

It’s also clear Obama supporters don’t understand why an overwhelming majority of legislators supported the initial Iraq conflict. They additionally don’t understand that Obama’s dissent only came as a convenient afterthought.
When you vilify Hillary Clinton for her original stance on the war, keep in mind what she was faced with at that time. New York State, her senatorial responsibility, was in the throws of disaster after 9/11. Her constituents were devastated, demoralized, and afraid. New Yorkers were in mourning, as was the rest of the country. She was also presented with data (we now know was erroneous) from the administration that imminent danger from the Iraqi’s was a real eventuality. She, like many of her colleagues on both sides of the aisle, made a tough decision. When she realized the administrations data was unfounded, she reversed her decision. Obama wasn’t even a player in Washington when the original votes were cast. It was easy for him, in hindsight, to oppose their decision. As a New Yorker myself, I can tell you in all honesty, that if I had been in Hillary’s position at that time, given the information she was provided with and the mood of her constituents, I probably would have made the same decision she did. I’m a pacifist and I abhor war, but given the same conditions, I would have done the same thing Hillary did.

Posted by: Emily | March 23, 2008, 5:57 pm 5:57 pm

outragious008 – It is easy to say Hillary voted for the war and so she is not a commander in chief. If Obama was in senate he would have also done the same as Clinton. He has voted exactly same as Clinton on Iraq since he joined the senate. Also check his IL voting records, he voted 1000 presents and not much real decision taken on much important issues.. He is no leader.
Did he organize a strike or march in Washington DC to show his refusal to war? NO
Obama is just using this Iraq war voting to his advantage. He is a cheap politician.
One thing is for sure, we have not had another 911 type attack in this country, so may be Bush and his folks needs some appreciation. This will be the talking point for McCain .. what will Obama say for this?

Posted by: GS | March 23, 2008, 6:00 pm 6:00 pm

GS for that matter what would Hillary say about it. McCain has a great talking point with that one

Posted by: Sam | March 23, 2008, 6:06 pm 6:06 pm

thanks guys for supporting the truth of my comments
and Emily is exactly right
who really can say how they would have voted in that period of time in New York facing an upill re election bid
within the single most affected state in the union w/ the big media lies
assisting Colin Powell and Bush and the neo cons to a new era of american empire building…
and don’t forget emily
so too…lets face this as a fact
and this is NOT anti semtic in ANY way
but who pretty much runs New York financial district?
Ok?
so tell me…how Obama would have voted IF HE TRULY HAD THE MOMENT AND THE BURDEN OF THAT VERY VOTE IF HE WERE IN NEW YORK AT THAT TIME…
come on obama get real…
and lets add this
I WAS IN THE ANTI WAR MOVEMENT
and I NEVER ONCE SAW OBAMA’s name
MENTIONED ANYWHERE ON LINE IN THE PAST TWO AND HALF YEARS
and by the way
DID HE EVER MARCH W/ CINDY SHEEHAN?
DID HE EVER PUBLICALLY STATE
openly w/ her that he was supportive of her views when she camped out at Bush’s ranch…
I don’t think so…and i don’t remember seeing one picture of him w/ cindy at ANY TIME…
so…please….give me a true leader
Lie Martin Lurther King
WHO NEVER ONCE TOOK HIS POLITICAL PULSE BEFORE HE MOVED ON A PRINCIPLE OF NON VIOLENCE AND HIS MAJOR ANTI WAR STANCE
OK????
why do you think America lacks true
leaders like MLK JR and JFK AND RFK
today?
because the meida and the moguls and the poitical elites of this nation
simply coopt the wanna bes like Obama
well before they ever do something
on principle….and risk everything
for the same…
its clear however…
in the present…Hillary’s war policy today
HAS OBTAINED THE BACKING OF THE REAL SERIOUS FIRST CONGRESSMAN WHO OPPOSED THIS IRAQ WAR AND GOT OUT IN FRONT OF IT NI A MAJOR WAY BEFORE ANYONE
CONGRESSMAN MURTHA FROM PA
NOW >>>DOES THAT MEAN ANYTHING TO
THOSE WHO CLAIM HERE THAT THEY
OPPOSE THE WAR POLICIES OF THIS
ADMINISTRATION AND WHO ALSO SAY HILLARY WILL NOT WORK TO END THIS WAR????
WHY WOULD MURTHA WHO PUT HIS ENTIRE MILIARY AND POLITICAL CARRER ON THE L INE
BACK OPENLY HILLARY IF HE DID NOT LIKE WHAT HE HEARD HER SAY ABOUT ENDING THE IRAQ WAR
AND ISN’T THIS FAR MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE RICHARDSON ISSUE BY FAR?
MURTHA IS A SUPERDELEGATE AND HE MADE HIS DECISION JUST THIS PAST WEEK….
so go figure…hillary must be saying something against this war that CONGRESSMAN MURTHA LIKED…

Posted by: Big Time Ohioan | March 23, 2008, 6:28 pm 6:28 pm

Why do you think Hillary continues with this grueling schedule and having mud thrown at her and her family everyday? Could it be that she believes she is the best candidate and that she has the backing of at least half of the Democrats? Don’t discount the Republicans that voted for Hillary. Can you imagine that there are Republicans out there that want an end to the war but don’t want Obama for President?? Well, imagine it because it’s real. And the gender bias in some of these posts demonstrate that not only is there a racial bias but a gender bias as well. Why wouldn’t we want a woman to be President, Janet? There is still a lot to come out about Obama. This thing is far from over. What happened about the superdelegates voting for the way their states went?? Well, I guess Gov Richardson, Sen Kerry, Sen Kennedy and Gov Patrick ,to name a few,will have to go over for Hillary afterall. It may get nasty, so be it. Hillary ’08

Posted by: sparklewdc | March 23, 2008, 6:29 pm 6:29 pm

Emily, just to be clear…my comments weren’t directed toward any of your posts. I actually agree with most of your assessment on the position Hillary was at the time of the vote authorizing the Iraq war. I do have one correction. As a person that lives in IL I can tell you that Senator Obama was very vocal about his opposition to an authorized war before the war was declared. I agree, that was convenient given he was only a state representative but it’s on the record prior to Senator Clinton’s vote and the war’s authorization.

Posted by: Interested Observer | March 23, 2008, 6:31 pm 6:31 pm

To: READY999 — When selecting between two Democratic candidates, I believe “common sense” would lead one to select the candidate who has the most experience. This would make Hillary Clinton the best candidate for the job. “Wise decisions” often come with a mixture of education, experience and age. Again, Hillary Clinton earns my vote. Thanks Emily for your insightful posts!

Posted by: M. Saint | March 23, 2008, 6:48 pm 6:48 pm

Thanks, Interested observer, I appreciate your perspective, and I wasn’t referencing you either vis a vis the toxic attitude of some posts. While I don’t necessarly agree with you, I admire your thoughtful insights. However, I would like to point one thing out, which you may find interesting (or perhaps can offer clarification). In my research of late, I discovered the following: When Obama was a member of the Illinois senate, he chastised the Exelon Corp., for failing to disclose information to authorities about radioactive leaks at its nuclear plants. However, while in the US senate, Obama rewrote a bill requiring nuclear plants to notify authorities of even small leaks. In Obama’s rewritten bill, he eliminated language to mandate prompt reporting of leaks. His rewritten bill merely asked regulators to consider public notification rather than mandating them to do so. What’s interesting is that Obama’s rewritten bill came on the heels of $227,000 in campaign contributions from Exelon executives. What a coincidence. Exelon isn’t exactly a “green” energy choice, quite the contrary. Nevertheless, Obama seems to be Exelon’s nuclear choice for president. Would you agree that Obama shifted his stance in the US Senate on this issue from how he stood in Illinois?
Source: New York Times, 2/3/08, , 2/22/08.

Posted by: Emily | March 23, 2008, 6:54 pm 6:54 pm

Obama is a disgrace to the democratic party.
Let’s all write letters to Howard Dean about how mad we are that Florida will not count and Michigan will not be a redo. We do not need a Florida redo b/c Hillary won fair and square but we need the votes in both states to count.
I challenge all the democrats who posted their dislike and or distrust of Obama to write Howard Dean a letter.

Posted by: mt | March 23, 2008, 6:59 pm 6:59 pm

Thanks, M. Saint! You obviously are a saint. And, big time Ohioan, I love your posts too!

Posted by: Emily | March 23, 2008, 7:03 pm 7:03 pm

Amongst all the bogus claims of Obama camp,the most amazing one- for its falsehood and blatant hypocrisy- is the claim that Obama opposed the Iraq war from the beginning. People who didn’t know anything about him were told this evidently proves his “better judgment”.
What gall.
Once you get to know Mr.Obama reading about his life story, his love for Marxist professors, his heritage, it’s obvious Mr.Obama’s opposition to war was NOT based on some unbiased wise analysis of national security data, but simply a knee jerk reaction.
Mr.Obama knows this himself. The way he has tried to sell this bogus claim to voters (never forgot to bring this up in every single debate) raises serious doubts about his character. The man is a charlatan.

Posted by: dem | March 23, 2008, 7:03 pm 7:03 pm

It’s so interesting how Obama supporters are so hostile towards Clinton supporters. Hmmm, maybe it’s shocking to them that someone doesn’t like Obama, that people actually listen to the facts instead of his constant rhetoric of change. And, isn’t it interesting how they call Clinton arrogant, but yet no one notices how arrogant Obama is. Isn’t it interesting how hypocritical the Obama campaign is?
I for one, didn’t have a problem supporting Obama until the facts came out, and aren’t i glad they did! People can finally see that he is no better than McCain nor Clinton, and is probably worse.
Hillary ’08

Posted by: Jonath | March 23, 2008, 7:11 pm 7:11 pm

I really liked John Edwards. But I’m secretly hoping Gore will jump in the race. Then all this nonsense would be over.

Posted by: maryland | March 23, 2008, 7:11 pm 7:11 pm

Acutally Jonath, it really works both ways. Supporters of both are hostile.

Posted by: maryland | March 23, 2008, 7:13 pm 7:13 pm

You are very much correct Maryland. But, I’ve seen on many blogs that its usually the Obama supporters who start the name calling. I’m not saying there shouldn’t be debates, but once it gets hostile, it’s truly a sad thing. Democrats should unite with their common goals of Universal Healthcare, Ending the War in Iraq and so on.
Hillary ’08

Posted by: Jonath | March 23, 2008, 7:17 pm 7:17 pm

Saint,
Bill Clinton wasn’t the most experienced candidate when he won the nomination in 1992. Jerry Brown’s experience ran circles around Bill’s and we still voted for Bill, didn’t we?
By the way, we have to get off this misconception that Senator is the more experienced candidate? A comparison of their records indicates Senator Obama actually has more experience as an elected official. Where Senator Clinton should focus is on her strength which is her ability to strategize and plan efficiently and effectively. She absolutely lacks vision although that might not be true in the area of healthcare.
Senator Obama seems to excel as a visionary and one who is passionate about constitutional rights.
Here’s my suggestion:
Make Edwards the residential nominee. and Bill as the Vice President. Make Hillary the Secretary of Health and Human Services. Make Senator Obama the Attorney General.
Truth be told..neither Clinton nor Obama have THAT much experience.

Posted by: Interested Observer | March 23, 2008, 7:17 pm 7:17 pm

Jonath, I have yet to see any debate on anything other than race and he said this and she said that. And some of these posts are downright scary. I would love to see the issues debated. I belong to a political forum where there are many opinions but everyone is respectful of each other. And I feel there are a lot of republicans here just trying to keep the dems fighting because it really hurts us.

Posted by: maryland | March 23, 2008, 7:23 pm 7:23 pm

Hey Interested Observer,
What about Evan Bayh? He’s a repectable man and senator.If Clinton gains the nomination he should be her running mate, but of course if Edwards becomes the President, what could Bayh do?
Hillary ’08

Posted by: Jonath | March 23, 2008, 7:24 pm 7:24 pm

Obama is brilliant! To be so young and take on a seasoned pair from Washington and do so well is a testimony to his leadership. Dynasties are now officially a thing of the past. Obama ’08

Posted by: Ken | March 23, 2008, 7:28 pm 7:28 pm

INTERESTED OBSERVER, I’m not sure I buy the goods “politico.com” is selling. However, you may be right that some African Americans may feel slighted if the superdelegates give the nod to Hillary. Nevertheless, I’m not convinced she can’t turn them around by November. Many people of color in my home state, NY, now feel she may be a more viable candidate in light of the Wright fiasco.
On a personal note, our new governor, David Paterson, happens to be African American and blind. Thus far, he is wonderful. He’s supporting Hillary as a superdelegate. In a recent conversation with Al Sharpton (just before Paterson was sworn in after the Spitzer mess), Paterson said: “I’m not going to be the black governor, I’m going to be THE governor.” If he was running for the presidency, I’d be the first in line to vote for him. I wish I felt the same about Obama, but with all that I’ve learned about him, I can’t in good conscience support him.

Posted by: Emily | March 23, 2008, 7:28 pm 7:28 pm

I really feel that we all should demand that Howard Dean be removed. He has completely destroyed the democrat party. He Kennedy, Kerry (and I voted for him) all need to go. Noone respects them.

Posted by: barefootboy9 | March 23, 2008, 7:30 pm 7:30 pm

I really feel that we all should demand that Howard Dean be removed. He has completely destroyed the democrat party. He Kennedy, Kerry (and I voted for him) all need to go. Noone respects them.

Posted by: barefootboy9 | March 23, 2008, 7:30 pm 7:30 pm

I like Evan Bayh but I just don’t see anyway Clinton gets the nomination no matter which scenario I come up with…
John Edwards/Evan Byah works for me.

Posted by: Interested Observer | March 23, 2008, 7:30 pm 7:30 pm

Bill Clinton wasn’t the most experienced candidate when he won the nomination in 1992.
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Another unfortunate thing the Obama supporters do in their cultish anxiety to elevate their hero is to compare Mr.Obama to JFK, Reagan, MLK thereby insulting just about each and every every one of them. It seems to must be really embarassing for the Obama supporters that they are promoting a candidate such thin resume. The way to overcome this is to insult every one else.
Now coming to the above claim on the experience of Clinton: Bill Clinton was the governor of Arkansas for 10 years. He pushed for the reform of schools, health care, and welfare. He demonstrated his agenda for hope and change somewhere, UNLIKE MR,OBAMA who hasn’t demonstrated this anywhere so far.
In 1991 he was voted most effective governor by his peers and was chosen to head the Democratic Leadership Conference. Then only he applied for the POTUS job.
And Mr.Bill Clinton was a much more modest man in his campaign. Both Mr.BHO, his wife and his supporters come across very arrogant and say we should be lucky to deserve him.

Posted by: dem | March 23, 2008, 7:31 pm 7:31 pm

Yo, outragious008:
Clinton and McCaine did the patriotic thing of voting to stop the enemy of the USA. Not everyone has access to CIA and Interpol and FBI files around the world, but some Presidents and Prime Ministers. So, George Bush mislead his congress and his people to go to war, the same way as Tony Blair mislead his people to build a legal case for war, suggesting that Saddam can attack the UK within 48 hours. Senators in the US and Ministers of Parliament in the UK believe their President or Prime Minister. How can they not? It was unthinkeable that they would lie about something as serious as waging war… and you know what? They both did. It has come out at the end.
Everyone at that time thought that Hans Bliks will go to Iraq and finish the inspection – to prove that there were no WMD. The war started before he could do it.
The war therefore was not the Congress or the House of Common’s fault….
Hope this helps you jog memory and reconcile discrepancies.
PS:
Obama was not in the picture then, he was not asked to do anyting, but since he became senator, he voted with Clinton on every aspect of the war.

Posted by: Retro Vision | March 23, 2008, 7:34 pm 7:34 pm

Well Interested Observer, I believe there is still hope for Clinton, and on that point we disagree. Don’t get me wrong, I have great respect for both Obama and Edwards, but i think Clinton is just better suited for the job. One man that I have lost repsect for is Mr. Dean. It seems to me that he is not doing much to try to solve the crisis in which the Dem. Party is in. In any case, i do hope Evan Bayh gets some recognition for his success as a Governor and a Senator.
Hillary ’08

Posted by: Jonath | March 23, 2008, 7:37 pm 7:37 pm

Hillary, Fight for us!
The notion that caucuses have anything to do with elections is ridiculous. In Texas, you had to be there from 9pm to 11pm, to vote in the caucus. So there were not too many working moms, or older people, and it was not democratic at all.
Therefore we should look only to the popular vote, including Michigan and Florida…they are states too aren’t they? What is so special about Iowa, that it should precede Michigan and yet have its votes counted? Mr. Dean is clearly an Obama person, and a party hack whom we should ignore, in favor of the popular vote.
Hillary will save social security, keep our country strong, end the terrible concept of preexisting conditions, and reduce the debt like her husband did.
Do not let Oprah and the Hollywood money buy this process. Vote for Hillary, and honor the popular vote totals after the last ten states have voted… and all the remaining contests are elections, not caucuses, so they will be fair, and represent the way we will vote in November.
Incidentally, the Democratic party should abandon caucuses, or at least recognize they have very little to do with democracy.
Hillary, Fight For Us!

Posted by: texasmike | March 23, 2008, 7:38 pm 7:38 pm

There is not going to be any “draft john edwards” movement or anylike like this…its silly to suggest the same
John e is a very good and nice and politically correct guy..but not a super heavy weight…
and he could not win North Carolina right now if he were to run for Senate again there…everyone these knows this…
but i like him…
He talks of poverty
but when in southern Ohio..Hillary
spoke passionately about the educational and health and poverty and economic issues
she was brilliant lasted over an hour and it was NOT sound bites…
she did this in Akron and with 25 top female professors, diplomats, congresswomen and advocates her experirence simply stuns the average person…
why? because people like intersted
observer state over and over again
“obama and her have the same experience”
this is patent nonsense…
and if you know ANYTHING about education and health care for children and or even the watergate era investigations
you have to be a goof..to say such a thing…
Obama was doing gang relate cocaine bings w/ his six girl friends…as he admitted to, on the nice surburbs of Honolulu…
when Hillary was working in the poor districts of Boston and working on rural health issues in Arknansas…
she was a watergate special counsel
when obama was doing his high school studies…
come on…lets be real…and lets be serious…
did you think hillary was NOT involved in Bill’s administration?
She isn’t barbara bush and she isn’t
Laura Bush…and she did not read
horoscopes like Nancy…
but for this…she is made out to be
“a less than credible or experienced
female”
by some rather sexist attitudes that equates time in a state legislature
w/ that of being close to the national pulse and working in critical national policies affecting women, education and health care and children and hunger around the world
not too mention human rights in China
and so much much more…
its bizarre…but would you say that a guy who had this kind of expeience
is “only as experienced” as a two term
state senator…
you must be from a district where your state senator is from a different genetic material than the rest of us….
then again…i do think most of you
want us to believe obama is the next
step in human evolution…
but on that…
i defer…

Posted by: Inner Vision | March 23, 2008, 7:50 pm 7:50 pm

Dem is was acutally Caroline Kennedy who first compared Obama to her father. And it got picked up from there.

Posted by: maryland | March 23, 2008, 7:54 pm 7:54 pm

Clinton plays dirty! Always has and always will. I do not want her in my paycheck for medical insurance. She takes money from lobbyist and spends our money like it is hers to spend. I want her to her tax records out there. It will prove how crooked she is. I would also like to know about the money she put into her own camphene? How much interest is she getting off that money.
The only experience she has is being the wife of a President. Ha! Ha! She is ajoke because she lies about her so called experience. I would not want her aanswering no phone in the Whitehouse!
No Way! Go Obama, the man is special
and he has my vote. Yes I am a white
woman and 62 years of age and know that
Obama will use his good judgment in the
Whitehouse. Old Hillary voted for the war and that shows what her judgement
means. She is more of the same as Bush for sure. Obama can and will beat
McCain without a problem.

Posted by: Connie S. Wagle | March 23, 2008, 7:54 pm 7:54 pm

I love Hillary, but it’s over.
Her best case scenario is America’s worst. She can “win” only by
1) working with the republicans to swift boat Obama. Unfortunately, this is what she’s been doing for weeks by pushing the Wright nonsense to superdelegates and by working more and more to convince her lingering more math deficient more cult-like supporters that Obama would be a worse president than even John McCain, and that “as far as she knows,” he’s not an anti-American muslim jihadist. And so on, and on and on. Meanwhile, the conservative news media are having a field day working WITH Hillary to trash Obama using out of context soundbytes (ooh, he said, “typical white person!”). Really, as much as I like Hillary, this is just stupid and depressing. Meanwhile, McCain is resting and building a national campaign organization.
2) After marking Obama as damaged goods because of his connection with Black American religion, convincing establishment party members to vote for her instead of the candidate who, like him or not, ordinary, non-establishment people picked. Really, as much as I wish that Hill would have won, we can just forget about unifying the party if she “wins” this way. A fractured party would be a best case scenario; worst case: SUMMER RACE RIOTS.
This is the direction that Hillary is going in. And I supported her until she turned herself into Siva, Eater of Worlds. So the rest of you lunatics can follow her into destruction if you really want.
Not me. It’s time now to put this mess behind us as quickly as possible (you listening PA?) and to turn our attentions to the needs of the country.

Posted by: Amy | March 23, 2008, 8:00 pm 8:00 pm

Connie, would you please give us some good examples of how much more experience Obama has over Clinton? Or would you give an example of how he has so much better judgement than Clinton? And please, please tell me how Clinton would be another four years of Bush when even their most basic principles differ.
Hillary ’08

Posted by: Jonath | March 23, 2008, 8:01 pm 8:01 pm

Inner Vision,
I agree with you! People erroneously assume that the job of first lady is only relegated to hosting parties. In some cases, first ladies chose to only perform duties commensurate with their respective interests and abilities– which may be lighter fare. However, as first lady, Hillary Clinton chose to work on myriad challenging projects that benefited all Americans. As a US senator, first lady, attorney, and advocate, she’s also worked tirelessly on healthcare, poverty, childcare, foreign policy, and crime. I suppose I’m just baffled that people don’t see the good work she’s accomplished, or beyond the constant media pillory.

Posted by: Emily | March 23, 2008, 8:11 pm 8:11 pm

Okay, First Wanda, please don’t bring up the Lewinsky Scandal. And I think you should do some fact checking. During the Clinton Administration, the economy was on the rise. Now that Bush has been in office, he has destroyed all that the Clinton’s have worked so hard for. And about the comment that Hillary would make other people angry with us, that is not true. She was a component in Northern Ireland to negotiate peace. How will experience like that make other nations mad at us? And Pennsylvania is thinking about our country, and they will make the right decision!

Posted by: Jonath | March 23, 2008, 8:12 pm 8:12 pm

It ain’t over till it’s over as Yogi use to say and dont count to much on Bill richardson. He was employed 8 years by Bill and 8 years as NM Gov. Now he is looking for a job. However, he may have hung his lasso on a falling star.

Posted by: Fred | March 23, 2008, 8:25 pm 8:25 pm

Emily….
back during the clinto administration my wife was a very serious advocate and ‘in the loop’
signficant hunger activist…
as a result we often were invited to some of the most significant and highest level administrative meetings on world hunger and poverty
I attended such a dinner in DC and among the guest were some of the most brillian minds and PHDs from around the entire world and some of most sublime diplomats…and all spoke elequently and with figures that would make an experienced statitician almost faint…
but on the night…the keynote was hillary…and among this very high end dinner banquet crowd we all expected a nice first lady come and make some nice sypathetic remarks to us about the very serious and very in depth issues facing this world’s poor
as she began…we all we’re simply stunned at least, those at my table and these includign some of the top mover and shakers in this field and all were highly educated…mainly phd’s…
and by the end of her speech, we were simply spell bound…
hillary spoke more in depth, too more detail and with such clarity and wiht such focus..and with a passion
…and she did it almost as if it were effortless…
she did not smile about world h unger either and say “nice things” that we all wanted to hear either
she was tough, she was smart and she
KNEW world hunger ..hands down…
and among this very very conservative and very politic’ crowd
and i may say…very academic and very dry crowd
she not only won a standing ovation
but she won anyone over …to her
super brillance
you have to have been “there” to fully comprehend what i am stating
and there are MANY in the intellectual and academic circles
that is woman is RARE and has a RARE
grasp on the world
i’m not trying to be personal but i am simply sick of hearing how brilliant
Obama was/is or whatever
Hillary as a women is NOT getting the credit for being the brilliant woman she is…and she’s a natural leader
and i decided this…not in this election and not because my wife was any kind of fan of the clintson…she was not …
but after her hour long in depth discussion among the world’s foremost experst and diplomats on world hunger
i was totally convinced that i witnessed a brilliant but very committed person….doing what she was totally giftied to do
leading a world super power on an issue that matters and matters in the extreme…
there was not a single person i spoke to after she spoke that said
Hillary ‘did not know what she was talking about’…even though some may have disagreed with her approach…
but everyone was beyond impressed and everyone knew…who took the evening and made it into a special one beyond a typical “dinner” or even academic conversation and turned it into an event…
it was a high end evening with many high powered speakers…
from around the world
and Hillary easily lit up the evening
not because she was jackie o
or making nice contributions…she did not..do that
she used insteand her brilliance to make it clear just how important the issues were and how they could be addressed by those ngos and nations states to begin to world hunger
it was a powerful evening…
and i know for certain
she is NOT getting the kind of credit she is deserving of and or is capable of producing if people would get past all the ‘baiting’ and ugly name calling and discrediting of her ‘motives’
simply because she is a strong and very very intelligent and determined female leader

Posted by: Inner Vision | March 23, 2008, 8:28 pm 8:28 pm

Inner Vision,
EXACTLY!! I love your story about the hunger dinner! I too have actually heard Hill speak. I’m a New Yorker, and have attended a few of her events. I’m also a college professor; one of those quirky academicians you mentioned. You’re right, she IS brilliant. She’s not only a brilliant orator, but she’s a woman of action and great courage. I just wish other people could experience her the way you and I have.

Posted by: Emily | March 23, 2008, 8:43 pm 8:43 pm

Imagine if Hillary Clinton or John McCain had a pastor to whom the were very close – a pastor who had performed their marriage, baptized their children, inspired the title of one of their books, been described by them as an important mentor, and who was a member of their campaign’s religious council. Now imagine what would happen if it were revealed that their pastor preached racism in the most inflamatory manner. Their campaigns would be over. No speech would stop the political firestorm. Even if Clintor or McCain condemned and completely disassociated themselves from their pastor, it would not be enough.
Barack Obama did not condemn or disassociate himself from pastor Jeremiah Wright. He said he could not renounce him any more than he could renounce his grandmother whose racial rhetoric sometimes made him cringe. Later when asked to explain that remark he described her as “a typical white person”. Neither Clinton nor McCain would dare make such a remark. Why can Barack Obama?

Posted by: Ann O. | March 23, 2008, 8:47 pm 8:47 pm

My issue with Hillary Clinton is that I feel she is only motivated by her own ambition. She may earnestly believe that her ambition and the interests of the Democratic Party and that of the American people are one and the same, but they are not.
Barack has given us a framework to discuss not just the thorny issue of race or gender, but several others that afflict every American. Issues like our disastrous adventure in Iraq, the continuing and impending disaster looming in the sub prime mortgage debacle, education, corporate greed, and so on. Rather than join in and constructively add to or even expand the thoughtful and mature discussion on some of the issues that divide us, and how we might go forward and tackle the issues we both share, she sends her husband out as attack dog to play to tired reactionaries with his Jesse Jackson statement, and question this great American Barack Obama’s patriotism with his more recent ones.
This is the politics of divisiveness that thankfully I believe we are turning the page on. We once had a great Democrat that when campaigning said something along the lines of this – If you are given the choice of candidates and one is preaching hope and the other is talking fear, you better choose the one with the hope. That candidate was Bill Clinton but Hillary is not Bill.

Posted by: Albert Johnson Jr | March 23, 2008, 8:57 pm 8:57 pm

To all of you who continue to use the
Rev Wright tapes to Bash Obama:
Do you think that the Bigwigs in the
Democrat Party don’t know that those kind of rantings and ravings go on
in black churches?
The Democrat candidates campaign in
black churches all the time!
No one ever heard this stuff before!
They even found a picture of President Clinton embracing Wright!
Are you people telling me Bill Clinton didn’t know that Wright preached hate
in his church!
I guess the Clintons don’t know that
Senator Robert C Byrd of West Virginia
is a former member of the KKK either!
Give me a Break!

Posted by: reaganfan | March 23, 2008, 8:59 pm 8:59 pm

Does anyone have and reliable and recent polls for the state of Indiana? I know Clinton has been gaining some ground there, but I would like to see some good poll numbers. Any good websites?
Hillary ’08

Posted by: Jonath | March 23, 2008, 9:01 pm 9:01 pm

Emily, I failed to answer you on the African American vote as well. You live in NY where Senator Clinton did well among African Americans and had the support of high ranking African American Dem’s. That is not the case in any other state so I’m not sure your informal sampling is a good indication of the current relationship between Senator Clinton and the African American community.
I can tell you that sentiment is not the same across the country just based on folks I speak with and even folks that I know as Clinton supporters have turned along racial lines.
What you and I see as political attacks they are taking quite personally.

Posted by: Interested Observer | March 23, 2008, 9:15 pm 9:15 pm

Ann O., I hate to play devil’s advocate yet again but one could argue that what Senator Obama said was actually proof that he’s not racist. His first comment in that interview is that his grandmother is not racist, she is a “typical white person”. One could easily argue that he is saying the typical white person is not racist but rather allows certain feelings to play our in ways that get miscontrued.
Why the Obama camp hasn’t spun it that way is beyond me.

Posted by: Interested Observer | March 23, 2008, 9:19 pm 9:19 pm

I agree, Hillary Supporter…..this is the very reason WHY Obama will not be elected……at first, he basically “brainwashed” people with his rhetoric and speeches(which he didn’t write himself) and then his racist wife got out of line, then his pastor, then he himself became a racist in two separate speeches. I agree, the media is very pro-Obama, its very plain. The only reason is that they know he will not be able to beat McCain in the general election and Hillary will be able to. Now, as I was hearing today, that many, many people that voted for Obama said that if he becomes the nominee, because of his lies and racism, they will vote for McCain just to keep him from becoming President. Again, it will come down to the Convention, and you will see many pledged delegates switch their support to Hillary……Al Gore and John Edwards endorsements will solidify her nomination. She will win BIG in Pennslyvania, Indiana, and Kentucky……and, this Richardson endorsement fiasco is only hurting the Obama campaign……event the news analysts think he is a joke….so, the old saying, birds of a feather flock together!

Posted by: David | March 23, 2008, 9:20 pm 9:20 pm

Though i think Hillary Supporter has been a little extreme, I think there is a point there. Obama’s electability has been reduced significantly. If Obama gains the nomination he is only going to get more accusations from the Republicans, more than he could ever be able to stand up against. If he clinches the nomination, the day he starts campaigning for November, the Reps. are going to put video after video out about Rev. Wright, and that i going to question Obama’s judgement and its going to speculate what he is truly thinking.
Hillary ’08

Posted by: Jonath | March 23, 2008, 9:28 pm 9:28 pm

“Curtis – Clinton supports the 2nd amendment contrary to what you may have been told. Check the debate transcripts.”
Neither Hillary Clinton nor Obama support the 2nd amendment in any meaningful way. You are misinformed. Hillary Clinton voted against restricting confiscation of firearms during natural disasters. In her “co-presidency” she attempted to ban semi-automatic weapons that are used by hunters and did so in a way that any manufacturer could change a thing or two and get off the banned list. Obama has indicated his willingness to disarm law-abiding Americans and leave police and military as the armed. Both candidates are on the wrong side of this issue and no amount of obfuscation or prevarication can erase their positions on the issue. Both are willing to ignore or suspend the 2nd amendment entirely in the interest of perceived public safety. Much like Washington D.C. has done, with a soaring crime rate, after denying law-abiding citizens of the District the right to have a handgun for self-protection in their home. My sense is that at the time violent crimes are high in the District, THAT is when people who obey the law deserve to defend their lives. D.C., like Hillary and Obama confuse crime statistics and social statistics and favor the criminal in the defense of self and family. NOT very smart. Not all people who own firearms are card-carrying members of the NRA. They include Democrats and Republicans, hunters, sport shooters, competition shooters, even one poor-shot Vice President. J Anyone with a brain knows that Clinton and Obama have not been a friend to anyone who owns or hopes to own a firearm. Voters should know their true record on this important issue. As a conservative, I am appalled at the gutting of the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights, line by line over time, and the willingness of politicians to disregard the history and content of these documents. Without the 2nd amendment, you can pretty much scrap the others. Even Gandhi finally realized the mistake of disarming his countrymen. It looks like we have one strident socialist, one inexperienced and unpredictable newbie and one wannabe conservative. I’ll go with the latter, at least he has read the Constitution and is not willing to ignore, subvert or rewrite it, or the Bill of Rights. McCain is not of a cut and run mentality. He also has the experience to understand the sacrifices that men and women have made to keep our country safe and our people free.

Posted by: curtis41 | March 23, 2008, 9:34 pm 9:34 pm

Being black, a native of Dallas County (Selma), Alabama, who was born in 1937 into a fully segregated, southern baptist environment, I want to offer my opinion on a few things.
1)Rev Jeremiah Wright type racism was never preacher at the church I attended each and every Sunday morning. Had such racist comments been uttered, as a pretense for spiritual enlightment, I would have immediately walked out of my church and urged others to do the same. 2) I remember Malcolm X, after the assassination of President Kennedy, using the words: “The chickens are coming home to roost.” Malcolm was castigated, rightly so, by the main-stream media; however, the African American press and populace, as in the current case involving Sen Obama and Rev Wright, found every excuse possibe to defend and justify Malcolm’s comments. 3) If Sen Obama did not have the cry of “racism” to yell, just what would he be saying? I mean, this man threw his grandmother under the bus of racism. 4) Please, what would the media, especially the African American media and the MSNBC commentators, be saying if Sen Clinton had said someone she knows, who had been instrumental in her growth, behaved like the “typical” black person? 5) What would the media, especially MSNBC competitors, be saying if an MSMBC commentator had used the word “Pimp” in reference to a member of the Obama family? 6) Has anyone notice how Sen Obama has all of a sudden stopped using the “Hope” message in his speeches? Or, is it, after the plagiarism charges, Sen Obama no longer feels comfortable sermonizing about “hope” and “change?” It could be that the press is failing to show these type speeches anymore. 8)
The debate on “race” has been going on for as long as I’ve been alive and will continue long after I’m dead and buried. 9) I’m sick and tired of people stealing in the name of “Race,” “Patriotism,” “Religion,” and “War.” I simply want someone who is competent, smart, caring, loyal, and who can bring joy, laughter, happiness, health care of all, peace, and a sense of pride for all of us.

Posted by: Percy | March 23, 2008, 9:37 pm 9:37 pm

InnerVision…..I agree with your synopsis of the election. Also, as was stated, even if Obama is the nominee, he will NEVER be able to overcome the thrust of the Republican’s. They will play over and over again the Wright tapes, Obama being racist in his speeches, his negative campaign, etc., etc. I think the states left to vote are seeing the “TRUE” Obama….he’s in trouble, his campiagn is in trouble, and the Pied Pipe has no more tunes to play. Hillary 08 !

Posted by: David | March 23, 2008, 9:38 pm 9:38 pm

Does not anyone remember Colin Powell, a highly respected General,speaking to the United Nations about the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? I suppose Barak Obama had better sources than the General and most of the US Congress when the vote was taken, right? I cannot help myself from wondering why Obama was so sure of himself when Gen Powell was saying otherwise. Which makes me wonder whether he would listen to his Generals as President or just go with his gut? Sure, I want healthcare,good economy, soldiers out of Iraq etc but first of all and foremost, I want national security. That is why Hillary supporters will vote for McCain if she does not get the nomination. An Obama supporter said they wouldn’t support Hillary, well guess what..the street runs both ways.I’d take McCain before Obama any day.
Hillary ’08

Posted by: sparklewdc | March 23, 2008, 9:38 pm 9:38 pm

Percy, I have nothing more to say…..your post is excellent, and coming from you I think it is important that Mr. Obama and everyone, all supporters of both campaigns read it and let it resonate in their souls. Thank you, Percy, for your intellect and heart-felt post!

Posted by: David | March 23, 2008, 9:43 pm 9:43 pm

OBAMA IS A WHITE MAN AND HE IS A BLACK MAN!
Now that I got your attention, Obama is his own man. Vote or not vote for him because of the substantive issues and not what someone else has said. We have friends and family who speaks cr@p all the time and we are presumably smart enough to separate the good from the bad. Reading comments here and in other posts, I now know why Obama was reluctant to talk about race, because it’s easier to fall back to ignorant stereotypical beliefs than to challenge oneself… and just reflexively vote for white candidate.
Let’s get back to real issues at hand, such as the economy and the war in Iraq. McCain is sounding better by the minute and you idiots are making the case for him. Let’s get back on message.

Posted by: Debra | March 23, 2008, 9:44 pm 9:44 pm

David, thanks for the kudros
i am a little older than perhaps many on this site and i have 40 years of midwestern political experience
…wyoming and idaho and DC and Minnesota and all the rest…including connecticut
simply does NOT together add up to ONE OHIO …especially if its coupled with PA and then WVA and KENTUCKY AND
then Cali and Texas and New Jersey and New York
howard dean and pelosi and others must be on a bad acid trip or something
[oops...i'm showing my jimi hendrix days!]
but….let’s get real…and Percy ought to be heard here…
I’ve been to my share of african american dedicated churches and heard many of their sermons
and I HAVE NVERE ONCE HEARD AN AFRICAN AMERICAN PASTOR FROM THE PULPIT SAY
“GOD DAMN AMERICA”
…that’s plain serious seroius lying…
that’s not what a christ like pastor says….anyways…
because Obama’s pastor was actsually trying to sell a form of social gospel…as true as he may feel about it
as if he were pastoring his flock about christ…
its his call…but its not true as Percy says…
blacks preach like this every sunday
that is pure BS
and…i know….many may share some of those sentiments…we can all hold very critical opinions of our nation
but we don’t wear the cloth and then preach the same…
its wrong to say…its another day in teh black sectin of town…that’s about as racists as anytyhing they have improperly placed at bill clinton’s feet
and to suggest..bill cllinton is a racist
is like saying…mlk jr was a hater of white folk…
it just doesn’t add up guys…please…
get a life and read about the DOJ under clinton and what kinds of things his justice did for civil rights and the voting rights acts and speciali litigation on police brutality…
can this media be stopped?
only by a clear and convincing pa and WVA win…
and it will

Posted by: Inner Vision | March 23, 2008, 9:50 pm 9:50 pm

Innervision…….I support what I believe is true and your post, along with Percy’s, hit the nail on the head. Obama, no matter what the media says, or whoever, has turned this race into a fiasco. I like what Debra said as well, why can’t we get to the real topics? The reason being, is because Obama has played this “race” card and now it has to be “dealt” with. I honestly believe he will come out the “loser”. As I’ve said earlier, you have not heard a “peep”, no pun intended, out of Oprah, Caroline Kennedy, or Ted Kennedy. I bet they are wishing they had their endorsements back. You can’t play the race card in America, undo everything that Dr. King tried to achieve, and expect to win the Presidency. It just won’t happen. And, I bet if Dr. King were alive today, he would have STRONG words for Sen. Obama and Rev Wright….also, if you have noticed, NONE of Dr. King’s children are coming forth and endorsing Obama either.

Posted by: David | March 23, 2008, 10:00 pm 10:00 pm

Hilary has done everything possible to destroy Obma, his supporters, and possibly might have damaged the democratic party for decades to come. She is vindictive, vile and conniving lair. She called into question the patriotism, religion, integrity of Obama. She tried every tactic possible to destroy a great, charismatic, intelligent, honest, and unifying leader. She applied every dirty techniques she learned and used with her husband to get where they are today.
The good news is that she will never succeed. The American people know her dirty tactics and her husband’s evil deeds as governor and as president. He built his career on using black people for all his successes. If there is one group that will learn who Bill Clinton really is and how he used them for decades, it the African Americans. The African Americans shielded this evil man from conviction when he turned the White house into a whore house. Now that Bill has targeted the very group that made him who he is–from a dirt poor, primitive, and low life to the presidency–African Americans will put him where he really belongs—in the trash.
As Far as his wife’s ambition to be the President, that was over a long time ago. She should thank the media that keep her in the news to sell their news!
Bonjaa

Posted by: bonjaa Sao | March 23, 2008, 10:22 pm 10:22 pm

BONJAA SAO—I agree. Very well said.

Posted by: READY999 | March 23, 2008, 10:29 pm 10:29 pm

Okay bonjaa sao,
You keep believing that Obama is the man you think he is. Keep ignoring the facts that say otherwise. Obama is just as deceiving, if not more, than Clinton.
Hillary ’08

Posted by: Jonath | March 23, 2008, 10:29 pm 10:29 pm

Dean, Kennedy, Kerry and Polosi are definitely responsible for what happened to the Democratic Party. They should get out of the Party. Our family and our friends are all lifetime democrats. However, our consciousness will let us vote for any democratic candidates this fall.

Posted by: gpine_1234 | March 23, 2008, 10:36 pm 10:36 pm

Innervision: How has Obama played the race card? Which card…the White or Black card? Are we watching the same thing?

Posted by: debra | March 23, 2008, 10:36 pm 10:36 pm

Correction to the previous post:
However, our consciousness will NOT let us vote for any democratic candidates this fall.

Posted by: gpine_1234 | March 23, 2008, 10:41 pm 10:41 pm

Remember, the Liberal Bloggers and main stream media tried their best to drive Hillary out of the race after Iowa (just one state) but the voters always have the last word.
Obama has no chance of winning the general election even if MSNBC, NPR, and CNN all report positively on Obama 24 hours a day now until November because his judgment is flawed, not “SUPERIOR” as he has been touting.
Do your homework folks.

Posted by: Sam | March 23, 2008, 10:44 pm 10:44 pm

Obama you know it is over for because your judgement is the worst. First Resko and now Wright. Next is Lous Farrakhan. Your judgement is not bad it is disgusting. At 3 am go to bed and let Hillary do her job. The Resko trial is going to bring your name out that you did criminal activity. If I was you go step down and maybe Bush will pardon you. You said you personally did not hear those comments of wright. Year Wright….I mean right. You are not intelligent and you are a bad liar.

Posted by: bruce | March 23, 2008, 10:55 pm 10:55 pm

INNER VISION,
If you’re still online, I wanted to respond to your post.
Yes, I think part of the media pillory is a result of sexism. It’s also why some voters see Hill as vicious. Smart, strong, and accomplished woman are often viewed as “monsters,” and we’ve been viewed that way throughout history. We’re socialized to behave according to sex-typed cultural standards that are rooted in oppressive orthodoxy. Even today, when a woman is authoritative, determined, or ambitious, she’s perceived as being a dragon-lady. If she’s too passive, she’s perceived as being ineffectual and weak. It’s a double-bind that’s not easy to shake. Some people don’t even realize the real reason why they dislike Hillary, they just see her as a monster. Sexism is a subtle demon in that way.
I’m just happy to know people like you are out there rooting for her to succeed.

Posted by: Emily | March 23, 2008, 10:55 pm 10:55 pm

Emily — Thanks for acknowledging the 800 pound gorilla in the room that many people want to dismiss as existing. Sexism runs rampant across corporate America and people seem to think that we are all able to transcend gender in this election. I’m not sure how that works.

Posted by: LOM | March 23, 2008, 11:12 pm 11:12 pm

Anybody, but Obama. Anybody, even we have to cross party lines to get him out.

Posted by: creature4444 | March 23, 2008, 11:13 pm 11:13 pm

LOM,
You’re right! It is an “800 pound gorilla.” I think it’s easier for people to focus on race than it is to look at sexism. I say this because women are the oldest oppressed group in the world. Older than the subjugation of blacks or even Jews. It’s so ancient, in fact, that people don’t notice it; even when it’s 800 pounds!

Posted by: Emily | March 23, 2008, 11:21 pm 11:21 pm

Women have historically fit a “mold” and positions of power (in the executive sense) in the work place are not particularly common place. To me, it feels like people are so used to the concept that they have more or less become immune to its effects on our society. Sexism is alive and well — for every $1.00 earned by a man, the average woman receives only 77 cents. And for anyone who wants to challenge this notion, both Senators Clinton and Obama have stated this on their websites as issues they want to tackle as President.

Posted by: LOM | March 23, 2008, 11:34 pm 11:34 pm

Great points you posted earlier, DAVID!!!!!
You’re completely accurate about Martin Luther King. Obama isn’t even a fraction of the man MLK was.
MLK once said:
“There must be freedom for oppressor and oppressed. Unless all of us are free, then none of us will be.”
Apparently Obama, like his mentor Rev. Wright, doesn’t subscribe to this enlightened philosophy.

Posted by: Emily | March 23, 2008, 11:35 pm 11:35 pm

and to banja sao
do you write w/ you’re own passionate understanding or your own earthly passions..?
I worked directly in the fires of very serious civil rights police misconduct cases..arising out of very racists cties and towns…
and let me say something to you mam
UNLESS bill clinton’s justice gave a damn…about police civilrights in america
the issue WOULD NOT EVEN TODAY BE ON THE RADAR SCREEN ? GOT IT?
HE WAS THE FIRST AMERICAN PRESIDENT TO SYSTEMATICALLY FACE AND CONFRONT THIS ISSUE HEAD ON
and yes, he plays politcs very well and he notes his constituency WAS among the black race…
BUT TO SAY HE USED THEM and then forgot them…
is to lie…and lie seriously
just ask John Lewis and Stephanie Tubbs Jones and anyone who worked with and/ro near and in the field of civil rights law enforcement in the 90′s…
the recorfd was NOT PERFECT but it was SO MUCH BETTER THAN ANYONE else’s
and the economics among the urban african americans shot thru the roof during the 90′s and the serious inner city crime rate was down..b/c many of your folks had at least hope for a decent job…
and i’m not talking down…to you
i was “THERE” in the trenches literally being almost killed for doing real seroius civil rights work
in the north
and believe me…we, few who do this kind of stuff..
are alive today…in large part
because Clinton’s SPECIAL LITIgATION UNIT GAVE A major D…. ABOUT your african american civil rights…
and it seems, at least in your case…he did so, despite your ignorance and one very ungrateful heart and mouth…

Posted by: inner vision | March 23, 2008, 11:44 pm 11:44 pm

hillary clinton is a disgrace to our political system and our society. she and her husband bill should go to the kitchen and make cookies!
her try at national healthcare in bill’s first administration only triggered the unbelieveable price escalation in prescription drugs.it would have been impossible to install a healthcare program at that time with no bipartisan cooperation. i think the clintons were in cohoots with the pharmaceuticals.
she lied about her duties as first lady. she merely did as other first ladies have done in the past.
as a board member of the walmart board she was never observed going against the anti american worker leaders of that company. she does not support the working man or woman.
she was staunch supporter of nafta which has sent thousands of our better paying jobs overseas.
she showed no pride or class after being embarrassed by bill. she was’t too sharp at what was going on right under her nose.
her 35 years expperience is not valid. Merely being along for the ride doesn’t mean you’re savvy.
religion is an important part of a persons character so why doesn’t hillary practice some of her own. i have never heard the kind of emotion and calming coming from her that i have from others. nobody can tell their religious teachers how to teach. all religions and religious leaders step over the line at times. they are human.
i am just really tired clinton rhetoric.

Posted by: richard | March 23, 2008, 11:48 pm 11:48 pm

Emily: Acknowledging your race doesn’t make Obama a “black candidate,” any more than JFK’s acknowledgement of his Catholic upbringing and faith made (which made him the man that we was) into a “Catholic candidate.”

Posted by: Debra | March 23, 2008, 11:56 pm 11:56 pm

Do you just go to sleep and dream up your facts? How said 50% of Clinton supporters would not vote for Obama?
All polls I have seem reported Clinton supporters more likely to support Obama than Obama supporters to vote for Hillary. Maybe Clinton supporters feel aattracted to McClain because there’s not that much difference. And didn’t Clinton endorse him as more qualified to to be commander-in-chief than Obama?
Way to go Hillary111 Loyal Democrat (I think not)11111
Amd in case you have not been listening the money spent on campaign is from contributors or lobbist. I’m not certain how much the President’s salsry
is but I am certain it is at least $200,000 plus staff and travel expenses aand all the rent you can collect for renting the Lincoln bedroom and selling ppardons on the way out the door.
REMEMBER?
C’MON NOW PEOPLE1111111

Posted by: C'mon Now People | March 23, 2008, 11:57 pm 11:57 pm

INNER VISION,
You’re my kind of attorney! Unlike some others; poor souls who drown, and are at the bottom of the sea with a lot of bad jokes. :-)
Yes, I think sexism may well be at the core of Kennedy, kerry, et al’s distain for Hill. It may also be jealousy, I suspect. As a professor, I’ve experienced this jealousy first hand. When I wrote a national textbook, all hell broke loose. Male colleagues I’d known for years, began to make subtle, and not so subtle, specious remarks. Suddenly, my chair changed my schedule and offered some of my courses to more junior faculty (whose credentials were not commensurate with the subject). Smart woman aren’t championed by insecure men and some women. That’s why I’m so happy to meet people like you who aren’t afraid to see Hillary as she actually is, and for who she is!

Posted by: Emily | March 23, 2008, 11:58 pm 11:58 pm

Thank you Emily. I feel Dr. King would sit Obama down and read him the rights about race in America. As I said earlier, it’s apparant that none of the King children have come out publicly to endorse Obama. Since the Wright explosion, you havent heard Caroline Kennedy, Ted Kennedy, or Oprah saying anything in support of him. Most of Oprah’s fans are American white women, she can’t afford to be supporting Obama now after he has turned into the “racist” that he is. I am truly disappointed in him….I really thought he had his ducks in a row. I’m from Texas and was going to vote for him, but then, one day, a lady at my school where I teach called him the “messiah”, the “hope of the world”. Then, I started doing my research about this guy and at every corner, I kept finding double-standards on his part. I voted for Clinton in our primary, as did everyone else….she won the popular vote, however, Texas has this “two-step” for delegates, and he got that. Then all hell broke loose with the Wright scandal, then Obama putting down white people, his grandmother, etc. and many, many Democrats in Texas that voted for him feel ashamed and said that if he is the nominee, they would vote for McCain to keep Obama out of office. I see that nation wide now, the polls show it,a nd even the political analysts are having to report it now. The GOP doesn’t want Hillary in office because she would be hard for McCain to beat, Obama is going to be a cake walk for them. Also, posts on here are saying that Hillary is bashing Obama,,,,,I don’t see it….its the other way around. She’s actually sitting back and letting his race card he has played, demolish his campaign. HRC will win Pennslyvania, West Virginia, Kentucky, Indiana, and Oregon. Then, I feel she will get the endorsement of Al Gore, BIG, BIG endorsement and I see John Edwards following suit. Murthers endorsement, the Pittsburg mayors endorsement, and the Phillidelphia Mayor’s endorsement of her are big too…don’t think the Super Delegates are seeing this. As was mentioned earlier this evening, the pledged delegates supporting Obama are beginning to recant their support to Clinton…..Obama is basically self destructing at this point, he’s finished, and America will is better because of it.

Posted by: David | March 24, 2008, 12:00 am 12:00 am

its not good to inject one’s personal religious views and mistake them for an informed political social awareness
you write as if you have been to the mountain and have peered “over”
into a vision that few of less than believing ones…share w/ you and those like you…
its so odd..how you have come to sense such a ‘vision’ for the future exists within this individual…
its time to stop taking all those pundits and soundbites so seroiusly ok?
obama is not just below the Trinity…he’s a man and he’s deeply flawed like the rest of us…
and frankly…he would have this nation in a serious mess over night i’m afraid…
and if you look up inside this same post …earlier..many of his former supporters are running away from him because they had the very same notions as you continue to share and realized it was a deception and a sham…
wake up strongblood…
Hillary isn’t your nightmare
obama isn’t your dream state guy either…
its just time to put away the notion we are going to be visited by the arch angel of the universe and/or a santa clause like figure and all will be well w/ america because we elected a human being to the white house…ok?
its time to come down from the moutain and join the rest of us humans to simply try to find our way along the difficult path of life in the present modern economic and militaristic america…
and join Congressman Murtha and endorse the only level headed person in the running who isn’t bought and sold purely by the nuclear industry, and the pentagon’s present field commanders…

Posted by: inner vision | March 24, 2008, 12:03 am 12:03 am

If, and thats a BIG IF, Sadama Obama is the nominee, you can bet, Sadama Supporters that the Republicans will play the Wright tapes over and over again, as well as Sadama Obama skewering his grandmother, making racist remarks, the Rezko incident where Sadama Obama illegally bought/sold property, all the times he voted absent as a senator, his racist wife’s comments, etc. etc, etc….the list goes on and on and on. One political analyst tonite said that Obama will be an easy win, because he has already defeated himself…..the GOP is lickin their chops for him…..they will harp on the race card that he’s played, his double standard on Nafta, etc. It’s over Sadama Obama, give it up…you’re a fraud and America knows it! This “Pied Piper” Sadama Hussein Obama has played his last tune….to bad he can’t decide what race he is, because even that, according to practices and statements is a double-standard as well! Go Hillary !

Posted by: David | March 24, 2008, 12:12 am 12:12 am

Emily — Your story is typical in our country and unfortunately, a very sad reality. It has been in my experience that peers and managers are very threatened by intelligent, results-driven women. All too often, their insecurities are projected onto these women in the form of less pay and little hopes of professional growth.
Hillary is an incredibly intelligent woman and equally compassionate. People continue to peg her as deceitful and power-hungry rather than driven and accomplished. It’s sad so many people rather talk about how much they hate her rather than recognize her for her efforts to make America better.

Posted by: LOM | March 24, 2008, 12:17 am 12:17 am

Debra and LOM……what really makes me mad is the way the media puts Obama at the forefront and can hardly say anything positive about Hillary. I think you are right….because she is a strong, passionate woman, this is intimidating to most. I don’t see her as power hungry, coniving, deceitful, etc. Just think what would happen if she had made reference to “black” America, or a typical “black” view of things…..the press would be all over her. It’s ashamed that she doesn’t get an equal playing field when it comes to the press. Maybe, they too, like Obama, are racial, that they are afraid to put him down for his racist attitude. What I like about HRC, she has said nothing about race and no one, NO ONE,can find anything reference where she has. This has mad Obama and his supporters extremely upset, he can’t handle it…HRC is keeping her cool, he’s losing and has lost his! I laugh at him when I see him on tv now, not because he’s funny, but because he is so pathetic I have to laugh instead of crying because he has led so many American’s astray with his false lies, hope (btw, he has dropped that adjective from his campaign now) and change. The only “change” Obama has brought about is the division of race in America, and he has done that very well. As far as the economy, Iraq war, health, education, etc. he has NO plan, No vision for the future, and NO support. Congres and the House would not support him on anything….he’s like cheap wine, watered down and has no flavor.

Posted by: David | March 24, 2008, 12:26 am 12:26 am

Well said, LOM!!!!
There are some terrific writer’s posting on this site! Some thoughtful, and well-constructed arguments presented here (yes, INNER VISION, the art of the argument was born from rhetoricians—Corax, and Aristotle, and later adopted by lawyers). Ok, here’s the punch line: interesting how all these smart writer’s (INNER VISION, DAVID, LOM, et al) are all Hillary supporters, isn’t it? Aren’t we the folks characterized as being poor, undereducated, old women living in Appalachia? LOL

Posted by: Emily | March 24, 2008, 12:40 am 12:40 am

Obama may very well the nomination, but it will be political suicide come the general election. Folks who don’t see this truly don’t understand 1. the republican attack machine and 2. how the electoral college works.

Posted by: LOM | March 24, 2008, 12:52 am 12:52 am

LOM,
Don’t you think if Hill wins PA, as well as other states between now and June, that many superdelegates and even some pledged delegates will shift votes to her? If that happens, she may well receive the nomination. That’s my hope anyway. The hope of an undereducated, poor, old woman. Lol

Posted by: Emily | March 24, 2008, 1:05 am 1:05 am

I honestly think that it is apparent that she can’t catch up in pledged delegates and the popular vote, although, she will remain very close in both areas. If the difference remains relatively constant between now and June, she will effectively reduce the margin percentage (the difference in delegates would make up 2-3% of the total).
Of course, these totals do not take into account MI and FL, critical swing states in the general election. Whereas these states currently have no representation at the convention, it would be unwise to overlook the performance of the candidates in these states’ primaries. Of course, there are some that can’t seem to do the math in the absence of Senator Obama’s name on the MI ballot, but it’s not difficult to deduce that Senator Clinton’s performed quite well.
The superdelegates have the awesome responsibility to do what’s best for the Democratic party, which ultimately means their independent judgment has to decide how they best win back the White House.
Let’s assume that a likely democratic state will still go to whichever candidate gets the nomination. However, it is the swing states like OH, FL, MI, PA, etc. that will be HUGE deciding factors in the GE. Senator Clinton has proven she does well in these states.
When you complement the latest controversies surrounding Senator Obama, the superdelegates are going to have a difficult time justifying a vote for him. So, I think we will see superdelegates supporting her, especially if she wins big or stays competitive in remaining states, with her eventual nomination.

Posted by: LOM | March 24, 2008, 1:25 am 1:25 am

Obama’s plan: Make a bad judgment: “It was boneheaded”; make a speech. “someone misspoke”; make a speech. “I never heard him say those things” make a speech. Just make a speech and everything will be okay. NOT. We,the Clinton supporters, are the un-and under-educated voters? At least we recognize that a speech will not solve the problems. Add me to the list of those with a post grad degree supporting Hillary. Hillary ’08

Posted by: sparklewdc | March 24, 2008, 1:33 am 1:33 am

In most modern United States presidential primaries, the Democratic nominee is known well in advance of the official nomination at the Democratic National Convention. Typically, a presumptive nominee emerges when one candidate receives a majority of the available pledged delegates and superdelegates, and all other candidates drop out of the race.
If no candidate receives a clear majority of delegates, the party may head into the convention without a nominee. This is known as a brokered convention. The nominee is then determined by a series of floor votes at the convention, which may be preceded by negotiations among the party leaders and candidates. Pledged delegates and superdelegates may switch their support, and negotiations continue until one candidate receives a majority of votes. The last brokered Democratic convention was in 1952.
Sometimes the term “brokered convention” is used loosely to refer to any process by which party leaders negotiate among themselves to bring an end to the nominating process. For example, in 2008, if neither of the candidates were to receive a majority of delegates by the final primaries on June 3, party leaders could step in to broker a deal by which superdelegates could come together to provide clear support for a candidate before the August 25 convention

Posted by: Jerry | March 24, 2008, 1:35 am 1:35 am

sparklewdc — It’s the ‘words matter’ campaign, but i prefer the ‘putting words into action that matter more’ campaign. I will not be duped by his new politics…to me, it’s reminiscent of the old kind of politics, but with less experience (and it has shown).

Posted by: LOM | March 24, 2008, 1:41 am 1:41 am

The only deal that will save the Dems and win the White House in November is a Clinton-Obama ticket..in that order. If Obama and his supporters don’t like that then it will be a McCain win in Nov if the Obama supporters don’t support a Clinton ticket of any kind. Hillary ’08

Posted by: sparklewdc | March 24, 2008, 1:41 am 1:41 am

Based on what I’ve been reading in the news, many voters still think that politics today is the same as the politics of yesteryears. If you recall the 2000 election, candidates Bush and Gore focus their campaign to big states where they have big numbers of electoral delegates. Three or four states are “must” to win. These are Ohio, Pennsylvannia, Florida, Missouri, and possibly Michigan. These four states vote either Republican or Democrat in any given election. The rest of the states are either Red or Blue. However, this election, New York, California, and New Jersey may join these states. If you’ve noticed, these big states were all won by Clinton. Obama won the smaller states and most of them were Republican states.
Also, Obama’s campaign is aware of this bbut they twist the mind of the electorate by stating that he won more states that Hillary. People not involve in the U.S. political process do not quite understand how this contest is being played. Of course, the superdelegates will play a major part in deciding the Democratic nominee. This is basically why DNC created this group as a “safety valve” in the nomination process of the party.

Posted by: Rollingstone, CA | March 24, 2008, 1:44 am 1:44 am

Based on what I’ve been reading in the news, many voters still think that politics today is the same as the politics of yesteryears. If you recall the 2000 election, candidates Bush and Gore focus their campaign to big states where they have big numbers of electoral delegates. Three or four states are “must” to win. These are Ohio, Pennsylvannia, Florida, Missouri, and possibly Michigan. These four states vote either Republican or Democrat in any given election. The rest of the states are either Red or Blue. However, this election, New York, California, and New Jersey may join these states. If you’ve noticed, these big states were all won by Clinton. Obama won the smaller states and most of them were Republican states.
Also, Obama’s campaign is aware of this bbut they twist the mind of the electorate by stating that he won more states that Hillary. People not involve in the U.S. political process do not quite understand how this contest is being played. Of course, the superdelegates will play a major part in deciding the Democratic nominee. This is basically why DNC created this group as a “safety valve” in the nomination process of the party.

Posted by: Rollingstone, CA | March 24, 2008, 1:44 am 1:44 am

Well, I’ve read the last 500 entries. So what can we all agree on?
1. Senators Obama’s and Clinton’s supporters really hate each other and apparent don’t live on the same planet, since they posit diametrically opposite facts.
2. Both sides threaten to vote Republican if their candidate is cheated of the nomination. (Well, of course we all know we are kidding on that one.)
3. Clinton’s supporters are more and more obviously feminists, and Obama’s supporters are more and more black. Not really but that’s what it sounds like.
4. Obama can’t get over his Pastor’s GDA comments, and Clinton can’t get over her vote for war and NAFTA.
5. Everyone hates Howard Dean and the idea of 700 (mainly white guys, ironically) superdelegates picking the next President.
6. We’re all really upset.
Solutions: 3.
1. Top down: Petitions nationwide for Howie “the Scream” Dean to step down, as well as every senior member of the DNC. Won’t happen, but hey, it would feel good, right?
2. Bottom up: Forget Washington, organize our own neighborhoods. Work on our own local government. Let’s face it, we can do a lot more good that way for ourselves and our kids that way, than creating steam for the idiot pundits to make millions with.
3. Move: Australia is sort of socialistic by our standards but at least we can say, “Hey, I live in Australia, it’s not MY fault!” Or Alaska, virtually no delegates, really nice place, and the wolf threat is completely overrated.
:)
Bottom line, just a thought, can we stop the flame wars for a sec and figure out what to do? ‘Cause it sure doesn’t seem the Powers that Be are going to…

Posted by: cire2loki | March 24, 2008, 2:06 am 2:06 am

How is a Bi-racial President going to change anything about race relations by virtue of being elected? It’s not the color of his skin or his genealogy or his speeches that make any diffeence to me. It’s his inexperience and lately, his poor judgment regarding the company he keeps, and I’m not referring to Pastor Wright. One of the most respected “Black” Generals told the United Nations that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. Secretary and General Colin Powell would never deliberately lie to the UN. So why did Barack Obama think differently? Did he have a better source of information on which to base his decision than did Colin Powell? Would a President Obama listen to his Generals and Secretary of State or would he fly by the seat of his pants? Just listen to his gut and go with it? I don’t know and that is why I cannot support him for President this year.
Race relations still need lots of work but sitting in churches that preach inequality and racism, Black or White, does not help us to come together. Yet Barack Obama was comfortable in that environment.He is so comfortable that he does not recognize that others would not see it as a racist church. I want a person in the White House who is color blind. We do not need a President who will be scrutinized for racial parity every time he does anything.

Posted by: sparklewdc | March 24, 2008, 2:36 am 2:36 am

Hillary is down but not out, shes depending on the superdelegates to push her through. Im offended by the attitude that some states are more “important” than others. the majority has spoken, clintonites and the rest of the country really better hope she wins fair and square, a win otherwise will cause far more division in this country than just politically.

Posted by: NERD | March 24, 2008, 5:11 am 5:11 am

Hillary is a fighter. She knows her fight and she knows Obama has lost the confidence of the superdelegates and in fact they are already requesting him to just settle for VP but she would not offer him that position because she will be pushed down by Obama’s association with his pastor. Too risky for her bid for the presidency. the Obama campaign just run a dirty tactic of demoralizing her supporters but no way…

Posted by: asd | March 24, 2008, 8:37 am 8:37 am

Barack Obama has lied so many times and not been called on it that we have lost track. I’m a Democrat. If Obama is our nominee, I stay home in Nov. 2008. I will never vote for Obama.
Never.

Posted by: Danuta Sallinas | March 24, 2008, 9:14 am 9:14 am

Obama is so crafty and deceitful that he can take a major error he made and turn it around and blame Hillary, as he escapes like the sleaze he really is.
I am one of the growing number of Democrats who will stay home in November and not vote if Sen. Obama is the nominee for the Democrats.

Posted by: Karen Robb | March 24, 2008, 9:17 am 9:17 am

PLEASE also report that OBAMA can not take the nomination simply based upon delegates either at this point. I believe these statistics are based upon a 55 to 45 % results as the previous races. However, what if the tide shifted to 70% wins in Clinton favor? That is a way she could pull even in delegates. STILL, the superdelegates will have a deciding factor because NO ONE can obtain over 2000 at this point since Michigan and Florida are not counted. DNC should be ashamed of themselves AND those states for not following the rules and creating such a catastrophe! Hillary supporters need to focus on getting her base to the polls in these last 10 states!!! She needs a higher % than 55!

Posted by: Darla | March 24, 2008, 9:18 am 9:18 am

We donated over three hundred dollars to Obama’s campaign. We regret that today.
We were devoted John Edwards supporters and did what a number of Edwards’ supporters did once John dropped out — we automatically went over to Obama.
We were fools. More importantly, we were fooled. Obama is not just inexperienced and unready for the massive job of President; but he is every bit as dishonest as President Bush.
God help our party and our country.

Posted by: Mac and Alexa | March 24, 2008, 9:21 am 9:21 am

Someone needs to let the Clintons know that it’s over. It’s done. There is no way to win, even if they were handed MI and FL on a silver platter, which also won’t happen. Give up for the good of the country, please.

Posted by: Joey | March 24, 2008, 9:26 am 9:26 am

Inner Vision:
Wasn’t that the assumption Hillary made when she began to discount the African American vote in late January? Wasn’t she expecting the African American vote to stay home in on Super Tuesday? Didn’t the highest profile super delegate in GA endorse Senator Clinton and the “rank and file” not only voted overwhelmingly for Obama but also showed up in record numbers?
There’s no doubt the African American vote is less likely to vote for McCain than the Hillary supporters, (a topic for another debate) however the fact that the turnout has been so high this primary season is a good indication that tide is turning with respect to turnout.
Here’s the bottom line – You’ve essentially said the African American vote isn’t important and that’s the message they are getting from Bill’s comments (right or wrong).
As a person that believes the Democrats can ill afford to open the door for the Republicans to begin courting the African American vote I think you are grossly underestimating their importance.
Time will tell. No need to debate the point.

Posted by: Interested Observer | March 24, 2008, 9:38 am 9:38 am

Ok, so one of Obama’s chief security idots breached Obama’s passport files? That’s a HOOT! I can’t wait to see how the media handles this one…awww…it will be downplayed since CNN, ABC NEWS, MSNBC, and don’t forget the PRO OBAMA trash news, the Huffington Post, which btw is used to blowing smoke up someone’s a$$, how they will somehow turn this against Hillary. I’ve read the post, the pros, the cons, etc…about the Super D’s, and I feel when Hillary gets Al Gore’s endorsement, along with John Edwards, the pledged delegates will be flying off the OBAMA ship of “rats” and heading for Hillary. There is NO WAY that the Dems wil vote as their nominee a racist liar like Obama….he’s done and he knows it as well as his supporters. If you at the post on all the news stories, it’s about a 5:1 ratio in favor of Hillary. She will win the rest of the swing states, have will go into the convention with the most delegates…its over Suddam Obama…..time to step down and let the REAL Presidential nominee take charge….you’re finished!

Posted by: David | March 24, 2008, 10:05 am 10:05 am

MI and FL will be seated! One way or the other. And that is because Hillary will be the nominee. That is the only chance the dems have of winning in NOV. Obama is even tied with McCain in MA!!! Now that is unheard of. Pastor Wright was fatal to his campaign. Obamamaniacs can however continue to fool themselves to the contrary

Posted by: lluluadorl | March 24, 2008, 10:10 am 10:10 am

Obama has won 98 delegates from Texas, Clinton 94 (out of a possible 193). How is it you can report Clinton won Texas without rebuttal or clarification?

Posted by: Bob | March 24, 2008, 10:49 am 10:49 am

Obama keeps insisting Pastor Wright is Wright and the rest of us are wrong!!!!!!! I just cant believe it!! Is Obama stupid, crazy or delusional? Or All of the Above! And this is the best the Dems have to offer? A national shame!!

Posted by: lluluadorl | March 24, 2008, 10:51 am 10:51 am

Anyone noticed Osama hasnt “endorsed” yet! “Their” plan is working!

Posted by: lluluadorl | March 24, 2008, 10:54 am 10:54 am

Obama will not be democratic ticket, because then the republicans will win and we will have 4 more of Bush.

Posted by: drwfll | March 24, 2008, 11:05 am 11:05 am

The only way McCain wins is by Hillary supporters voting for him. Pretty stupid if you ask me. I will vote for whoever is the dem canidate.

Posted by: ll | March 24, 2008, 11:08 am 11:08 am

The race should be over for ol’ Hillary. Her disingenuous pleas for Michigan and Florida voters, her marginalizing Gov. Richardson’s endorsement and hiding her true NAFTA support is indicative of Hillary Clinton’s “Borg” mentality. She will denigrate, any uncommitted superdelegate that will not come to her aid. If Gov. Richardson is the biblical Judas, does that make Hillary the messiah? Hillary would welcome the destruction of her party rather than yield to Sen. Obama’s nomination. The Clinton’s would surely facilitate a McCain victory to prepare for thier own 2012 presidential run.

Posted by: Charles | March 24, 2008, 11:14 am 11:14 am

Common sense, great post. Unfortunately some people just don’t want to hear the truth

Posted by: ll | March 24, 2008, 11:21 am 11:21 am

Obama will be an easier win for the Republicans. Don’t be naive. The GOP attack machine will slaughter Obama in the GE. If you are sick of hearing the Wright tapes now, just wait….they will be playing at every turn…Michelle Obama’s incideous remarks about her lack of patriotism of the US will be on the forefront…..Obama’s skewering of the “typical” white people remarks will be embedded in every mind of the American citizen…added to this the fact that Obama has good rhetoric, but that’s all it is, he has no plan of action….he spends most of his time putting down white people and attacking Clinton. BTW, Hillary won the popular vote in Texas….do your research…the only reason Obama got more delegates is because of the crazy way Texas does the “two-step”, which is ridiculous. I can say that, I’m from Texas. And now, in Texas, many, many citizens are recanting their support of Obama….many have said they will vot Republican to keep this racist liar out of office…its sad, but true. Its a shame that people have to forfeit their party to keep a liar out of office. Face the facts…..Obama has drawn this racial line, this divide that Martin Luther King worked so hard to heal, which will be his downfall. Have you noticed, NONE of Dr. Kings children have come out to endorse Obama? Oprah will not say anything in support of him after his racial speech, why, because it would kill her ratings. America is sick of Obama and his lies…..go back and read the post from Percy, an older African-American, who, btw has a right to speak the truth about race, and his feelings of the manipulated lies of Obama and what he has done to racial issues in the 21st Century America. Obama supporters, you have let this “Pied Piper” lead you down the road of destruction….its not to late to turn back.

Posted by: David | March 24, 2008, 11:27 am 11:27 am

I could really care less about the opinion of those people who target Bill Clinton as a reason to vote for Obama. Lets not forget that Bill Clinton was a two term elected democrat. There haven’t been a lot of those. If that’s your opinion of Bill Clinton you probably aren’t a very good democrat anyway.

Posted by: kelly | March 24, 2008, 11:31 am 11:31 am

Hi Folks with all the negitive talk about Hilary Clinton she can do it.With God’s Blessings he will giude her to the path of victory.Good things are goona come Her way in the coming Months which will leave poeple amazed.
Hilary Supporter

Posted by: Mark Latchmansingh | March 24, 2008, 11:31 am 11:31 am

Whoa Charles…I don’t think the Clintons was ANY destruction of the Democratic party. As to FL and MI, she is trying to get the voters voice to be heard (could be a plus for her). I would NOT like being in a state where my vote did’nt count!Hillary hasn’t had any attitude of being a Messiah and it was James Carville that made the comparison.

Posted by: Darla | March 24, 2008, 11:41 am 11:41 am

The way I see it four years of Mccain would be better than 4 years of Obama. I hate Bush/Cheney But I would vote for them before I would vote for Obama.
At least we would have a chance in 2012. Really if Obama gets the nomination I am hoping for Bloomberg/Gore though…

Posted by: kelly | March 24, 2008, 11:42 am 11:42 am

the comments on the 911 remark was bad enough, but using God’s name in vain in the pulpit, making racial comments about white people, calling America the US OF KKKA….you’ve got to be kidding me. Think of this, if Hillary had been associating with David Duke and he made reference to the typical “blacks” of America, all hell would break loose and you well know it! However, Obama supporters don’t want to recognize this, just brush over it. I want Wright to address this issue, it’s only going to add more votes for Hillary. And to address your comment, you need to do research….the GOP’s want Obama to win, they have stated it, the strategist are saying the Dems fight for a nominee is just what they want…several have said they want it to be Obama because he is an “easy win”. You’re right about one thing, if Obama wins the nomiantion, many, many Dems will either stay home in the election or vote for McCain…..Dems are not stuipid, they don’t want a racist liar representing them in the GE.

Posted by: David | March 24, 2008, 11:46 am 11:46 am

TEXAS MIKE…Yes the caucases are a nightmare and should be done away with. It just happens to be based on who knows when to show up and who can at that time.
CONNIE…I don’t know where you get your info from, but with Bill Clinton was in office there was money to spend because we had a balanced budget! If Obama can’t handle the heat within his own party, he will NOT last in the General.
AMY…Don’t give up now. It wasn’t over since TX and OH showed the nation to get it and work for that Hillary vote! PA shows an even better ground for Hillary and that is the momentum she needs!
BOB- Hillary did win the popluar vote by 100,000 and I thought got more delegates? The caucuses in TX have still not been official due to county conventions March 29th and then the state convention after that for those delegates.
Common SENSE…Thanks for your insight. 70% would push Hillary over the top. THe current polls in PA indicate 55 to 35 in her favor. If you weigh in the 10% undecided…that could get her 65% easy. Hillary supporters have GOT TO GET THE VOTE OUT BIG TIME IN PA! The biggest swing is for white males who would go for McCain!

Posted by: Darla | March 24, 2008, 11:51 am 11:51 am

Obama’s race baiting and McCathyism attack are offensive. I make no apologies. If Obama could listen to Mr Wright for 20years, he must share his mentor’s position/views on America seeing that he did nothing to CHANGE Pastor Wright. I will volunteer for McCain if only to stop Obama in Nov. I take it that personally because i LOVE America. At least, there is no question McCain does also.

Posted by: lluluadorl | March 24, 2008, 11:52 am 11:52 am

Notice that Obama no longer includes the word “hope” in his campaign slogan, just “change”. Yeah, we see the change he wants to make to reek havic and rip America apart at her seems with his platform of “racial divide”. He’s a sad, sad, pathetic man!

Posted by: David | March 24, 2008, 11:56 am 11:56 am

For you Obama supporters, as someone has already stated, just look at these posts. Nearly all of the posts are in favor of Hillary Clinton, and BIG margin! Get it through your thick skulls, this is indicative of the way America feels about Obama right now……he will not be the Democratic nominee! You might as well throw in the towel and get on the winning ticket of Hillary Rodham Clinton…..the next President of the United States of America!

Posted by: ndnwarrior | March 24, 2008, 12:01 pm 12:01 pm

And as far as Bin Laden’s plan is going, It’s working perfectly. He wanted to draw us into a long drawn out conflict that would bankrupt us and damage our morale like Viet Nam did.. so far it seems to be working and you want to blame Obama for that?

Posted by: Common sense | March 24, 2008, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm

Sen. Barack Obama says that a pro-Hamas Op-Ed printed in his church’s bulletin was “outrageously wrong” and continuing “Obama noted that he strongly rejects some of his longtime pastor’s views”. Problem is Obama has not said which of Pastor Wright’s views he rejects! And you want me to trust this man!!!!

Posted by: lluluadorl | March 24, 2008, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm

CommonSense, Blaming Obama for the Iraqi war is almost the same as equating Bill to McCarthy! What is good for the goose…. My point is that Obama MUST share some of his Pastor’s hate and that alone is as scary as Osama

Posted by: lluluadorl | March 24, 2008, 12:19 pm 12:19 pm

My view in all of this is that Clinton will not hesitate to take the democratic party down with her. The only thing that turned me off the Clintons is their remarks about race…that’s shame….. Who’s the one who firt talked about race: Hillary and her husband who this the country own them the presidency

Posted by: Larry | March 24, 2008, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm

Actually this is out of our hands. The super delegates will decide who the nominee is. So why all the bickering back and forth.

Posted by: myst | March 24, 2008, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm

Great speech in Philadelphia, Hillary!

Posted by: David | March 24, 2008, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm

Typically White People Love America. Someone should make sure Obama never forgets that. The moron!

Posted by: lluluadorl | March 24, 2008, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm

Though I have respect for the man, Obama is not the man most think he is. Nor is Clinton the horribly wicked person that everyone claims. Has anyone really met Clinton in person, or do they only watch the news?
Hillary ’08

Posted by: Jonath | March 24, 2008, 12:43 pm 12:43 pm

David – Obama spends all of his time attacking white people? Wow.. that’s got to be hard on him since he’s half white and was raised by a white, Kansas family.
Please show me where you are reading that the republicans would rather face Obama.. everything I have seen says otherwise. Obama has the ability to go after the independents. They are terrified of Obama – which is why Rush Limbaugh is urging republicans to vote for Clinton.
And again.. I call BS on this idea that Dems are going to vote for McCain. Are you kidding me?

Posted by: Common sense | March 24, 2008, 12:49 pm 12:49 pm

Who’s the first person to talk about race; Obama was. When Bill Clinton said his story about always being against the war was a “fairy tale” Obama twisted it around and said Bill Clinton was racist. Give me a break!
Obama may win the Democratic nomination but he has no chance of wining the general election.

Posted by: Regina | March 24, 2008, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm

I don’t think either one will beat McCain at this point. All this fighting has damaged this party and it’s just going to get worse. What a shame.

Posted by: maryland | March 24, 2008, 12:58 pm 12:58 pm

The only real chance Obama has is if Hillary drops out. That’s why he’s got Richardson on the stump spouting off about how she should just quit. That’s why he’s blocked the revotes in Michigan and Florida because he would lose. Obama can’t legitimately win unless Hillary quits. She’s not going to quit. She’s going to win Pennsylvania and North Carolina and West Virginia, and Indiana and on…and she’s going to win big. The full impact of Obama’s lies about his plans for NAFTA and the Iraq war, his deceitful shenanigans with Rezko, his support for his hate-spewing, anti-American self-described mentor, Rev. Wright, who supports the terrorist organization Hamas over Israel, will come to light in these next primaries. Believe me, this is not the end of Hillary’s campaign. Obama’s undemocratic attempts to shut out Florida and Michigan and shut up Hillary, clearly reveal A MAN WHO IS UN-AMERICAN AND WHO WILL DO ANYTHING TO GET ELECTED.

Posted by: dwilson | March 24, 2008, 1:03 pm 1:03 pm

Any syllable in the english dictionary used to criticise Obama is rascist! Unbelievable!! I know he wont win but we gat to be very careful. Soon, “hello”, depending on HOW/WHEN/WHERE it is said will be rascist statement too. Do you really think America can survive Obama if we all have to ask Axelrod permission to speak for fear of being called rascist. The Obama camp just seems to lie in wait for the next word to attach their rascist label. How sad?

Posted by: lluluadorl | March 24, 2008, 1:06 pm 1:06 pm

If Barack Obama can’t beat McCain in November, then nobody can. The Clintons are bad news and they give me the creeps. When they won in ’92, the Republicans took over Congress in ’94. After their administration, the American people felt that having another Bush was a good idea.
Now that the Clintons are in this race, Democrats are talking about voting for George Bush III. The sooner Hillary Clinton drops out, the better chance the Democrats have for unifying and winning in November.

Posted by: Alan Rose | March 24, 2008, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm

I agree with the comment that probably neither Hillary or Obama can win anymore.
The Democrats are a MESS! Votes from Florida and Michigan not counting? Obama working to make sure there isn’t a re-vote. If he’s the nominee, how will he go to those states and then campaign for those votes? The media will have a field day!
Obama got lucky. This Wright sickness didn’t hit the press until now. How many of those states on super-Tuesday would he have lost if the truth were known? That is something the super-delegates NEED to consider.
I would like to have Obama explain the difference between his church and the schools that teach hate in the Arab world?
Any Democrat that believes a candidate can worship at a church that wishes to “God Damn America” and still in the election isn’t thinking logically. THIS IS A PROBLEM FOLKS!
Also, just imagine the chaos that would have happened if Clinton had referred to Obama’s supporters as “typical black men.”
After all of this and reading these blogs, it’s VERY clear that Clinton supporters will not vote for Obama.
Since Obama seems such a fan for math, he cannot possibly win the election and knows it, but he is willing to destroy the Democrat party for years.

Posted by: Ben | March 24, 2008, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm

DWwilson and Ben – Why should Obama drop out? He’s ahead. He’s winning in every way that counts. Delegates, popular vote, money raised, states won.
Hilary is the one who is tearing the party apart the longer she stays in the race. She’ll probably win PA, but not enough to make any difference.
Again. I call BS on the idea that Clinton supporters will not vote for Obama. Are you for real?
And as far as Wright goes.. go listen to the sermons. I have started to. In the one where he talks about 9/11 and the “chickens coming home to roost” he’s actually QUOTING a former US Ambassador to Iraq and member of the Reagan administration. Or are you so hung up on the ‘typical white person’ phrase that you missed the point of his race speech?
Again.. I want someone to please, please, please tell me exactly how Obama is preventing a revote in FL or MI.
Those 2 states have already decided they don’t want a revote – they do not want to be held accountable to the taxpayers for using tax payer money to hold a legal vote, since they messed up and held an illegal vote against the DNC party rules.

Posted by: Common sense | March 24, 2008, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm

One this is for sure, whoever gets the Presidency is inheriting a huge mess from Bush. They are campaigning for this mess and I have to give them props.!!
Obama has admitted he will make mistakes but unfortunately we cannot afford them right now.
I like Hillary’s style of questions and answer sessions like Town Hall meeting.
She is able to discuss in detail any subject she is asked.
Would you go to a Dr. or Accountant with only 2 years experience or 8?
Go Hillary!!!!

Posted by: souza | March 24, 2008, 1:45 pm 1:45 pm

News Flash!!!
If Hillary is the Democratic nominee for President, all that stuff that she and Bill did while they were in the White House will resurface and this time she won’t be able to pretend that it did not exist. Experience….what experience does she have? She didn’t even have a security clearance to, not only participate, but to even be in policy meetings while Bill was the President.
Until America faces its racism, on both side, we will continue to read posts like the ones on this blog. How is it that B Obama is considered a Black man while his heritage is 50% Caucasian?
Hillary believed that as soon as she announced that she was running for the Democratic nomination that she was annointed to get it. Hillary and Bill Clinton are all about and have always been about POWER!!! People Get Real!!!!

Posted by: Stephen | March 24, 2008, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm

I’m serious when I say Hillary voters will NOT go to Obama. I know 7 Hillary supporters who will not vote for McCain.
My mother discussed it with a Hillary supporter at Minnesota’s caucus.
How can you defend Wright’s sermons?
GIVE ME A BREAK. This is the sickness of America! People will defend anything so long as it is Anti-American!
Obama is preventing a re-vote because HIS supporters in the respective legislatures…in the respective states…will not allow a re-vote.
Yes, Obama is ahead for now. However, he has brought disgrace on himself and the party with his racist views. He needs to withdraw before it splinters in a million pieces.
He can’t win the general. Obama has peaked. .

Posted by: Ben | March 24, 2008, 2:03 pm 2:03 pm

Hey maryland: you are wrong. This is Act 1….. Here is Act 2, (will have to wait for it, not to let Barak steal Hillary’s ideas!)
When Hillary Clinton wins the Primaries, she will be ready and have concrete and solid plans for America and every working class hero such as myself. She will protect them, bring our service men and women home sensibly and safely, stop the waste of money, stop the deficite getting bigger, buckle up, keep the jobs, OFFER SOLUTIONS – she has a real plan HOW to restart the economy, restore American pride for ALL Americans, white, black, yellow, red, male, female – any combination. You can’t have it any better! GOD BLESS HILLARY CLINTON and may she win BIG!!!
PS: I am so sick of some sexist men such as Ted Kennedy and Bill Richardson, who won’t vote for the BEST CANDIDATE because the best candidate is a woman!!!
Jack Nicholson, who is a REAL man has no problem voting for a woman as PRESIDENT. He knows Hillary will fix and redress everyone’s life because she is prepared and knows what to do.
And, she never ever been racist.

Posted by: Retro Vision | March 24, 2008, 2:03 pm 2:03 pm

If Hillary is so favored and loved by the democrates why isn’t she leading in delagates,without FL and MI? The US is made of 50 states not just the blue states. Why didn’t she keep the ball after TX and Ohio? Why wasen’t it over after Super Tuesday # 1 ? If Ohio has the history for picking the president why did only 10% thinks so? why can’t her supportes only vote for her in a voting booth,and not stand up for her in public and be counted ? may be some americans are waking up !
OBAMA 08 !

Posted by: merle7 | March 24, 2008, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm

How is it that B Obama is considered a Black man while his heritage is 50% Caucasian?–Stephen
I don’t care what race Obama is…but lets take into account a few facts.
No self-respecting white man would belong to a church that blames ALL of the world ills on Whites!
Because he belongs to a church that teaches hatred toward whites!
So regardless of what race Obama claims to be, he certainly, clearly as supported by evidence is racist against whites.
So as far as addressing America’s issues with race–Obama is a FRAUD!
He had 20 years to address his churches LIES about race, but lacked the courage and character and judgment to do it.
He can’t help the US if he can’t even challenge his church!

Posted by: Ben | March 24, 2008, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm

Well, Hillary is at it again. Just like Bill, she’s lies with the greatest of ease. She had to run and duck gunfire when landing in Europe? Although the small girl who gave her flowers stood her ground and gave flowers to Hillary and Chelsie, she had to run. What a farse. She will say anything as long as it isn’t the truth. The worse part is that this lie involves her daughter. What a role model. And people want her to be president?

Posted by: Fred | March 24, 2008, 2:12 pm 2:12 pm

In a democratic society, every vote has to count. End of story.
If the DNC refuses to include and count millions of people across Florida and Michigan, as if they are not part of the USA, the whole party will fall apart. It could no longer be called the Democratic Party.

Posted by: Retro Vision | March 24, 2008, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm

Well I’m up for having a 3rd party.

Posted by: myst | March 24, 2008, 2:28 pm 2:28 pm

I’m watching from afar and the clear choice is Obama. If people from other parts of the world are following your election and see clearly how Clinton has lied and puffed up her trips and not releasing her tax info when she specifically requested the same when she ran for your Senate office from New York. Are white americans that hypocrital to choose a liar and someone secretive when you constantly complain about how secretive George Bush is?
America does have issues in denial and hypocrisy.

Posted by: Dutch Citizen1 | March 24, 2008, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm

There is nothing clear about Obama. What exactly does he believe in and what exactly are the changes he wants to make and why? His speeches are so vague and high level. As though he always tried to paint this image of a great present packaged with all the latest and greatest ribbons and wrappings…yet, never open it for folks to look inside. I still do not know what exactly his vision is for america…domestically, internationally, millitarily and economically. All the generalities and vague rehorics is getting old…..I’m so sick of seeing him talk now that each time he talks I find myself getting real sleepy. What’s up with the long pauses between each words? does he really need 5 seconds between words just to say….”I…(pause)…do…(pause)…believe…(pause)…that america…(pause)…wants….(pause)..change” Geeze, that takes much brain cells to come up with….have anyone met anyone who does not want change? Give me a break! Obama is a phony! Hillary is the only true warrior and capable candidate in this race.

Posted by: Kyle | March 24, 2008, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm

“Every place is Barack Obama country once Barack Obama’s been there”
Quote from Barack Obama/October 2007
Yes Barack – every place is Obama country once you’ve been there, except for:
California (1st biggest state in US)
Nevada
New Mexico
Arizona
Oklahoma
Texas (2nd biggest state in US)
Arkansas
Florida (4th Biggest State in US)
New York (3rd biggest state in US)
New Jersey
Ohio (7th Biggest State in US)
Massachusetts
Michigan (8th Biggest State in US)
New Hampshire
Rhode Island
Tennessee

Posted by: ch | March 24, 2008, 3:03 pm 3:03 pm

No wondered Kerry endorsed Obama. I guess flip floppers do recognize their own. It does take one to know one. Lets see a list of flip flopping judgements Mr. Obama has showned us: 1) he attacked Nafta then turned out days later and told the candian governement he didn’t really mean it 2) he minimized fund raiser ties with Rezko then just weeks ago said..oops, I guess he raised 100K more for my senate campaign then I thought 3) He stearnly campaigned to pull troops out of Irag then his senior advisor went on a UK interview and said…oh no, Obama can’t committ to withdraw right now, things could change when he is the president 4)Obama went on TV and said he never was awared of wrights divisive rehorics and made his speech where he admitted he was in the audience when some of it was spoken then went to Larry king recently and said…oh no, I was not aware of it. 5) Obama campaigned against lobbyist yet he had big lobbyist connections while running for the senate and used to have regular basketball games with lobbyist while in the IL legislature 6) Obama attacked Hillary for dirty campaigning tactics yet he injected race after each primary that he lost to imply racism 7) Obama is attempting to now become the crusader of race unity in america now that he is running for the presidency but opted to not speak out for race unity for 20 years prior to his presidential run. I rest my case! Obama is a fraud and his character is leave much to be desired.

Posted by: Richard | March 24, 2008, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm

Richard, i couldn’t have said it any better. And people say that Clinton is the big liar and hyporcrite. Hmmm, who’s the liar and hyporcrite now.
Hillary ’08

Posted by: Jonath | March 24, 2008, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm

Michael Smerconish, an African American radio talk show host interviewed Obama this weekend, asked him pointed questions about Wright and his defamation of America, Smerconish was amazed, it seems, that Obama still defended this guy……..this just goes to show that Obama is a racist and will divide our country if he were ever to be President. New polls just out on Fox, Obama has a 52% unfavorable vote, 35% VERY UNFAVORABLE! Obama is losing it, BIG TIME!

Posted by: David | March 24, 2008, 5:15 pm 5:15 pm

Get rid of the superdelegates and the electoral college. They pretty much don’t represent the voters of this country. When you give certain people power over the popular vote – that is wrong. That is what happened to Gore in addition to the right wing Supreme Court deciding the 2004 election. What would the country be like if the last eight years was Bush-less?

Posted by: Bob | March 25, 2008, 8:55 am 8:55 am

Obama is losing support every day. If Hillary stops fighting, then it will be the neocons for another 4 years…or maybe forever at the rate the constitution is eroding.
Karl Rove will be so happy if Obama gets the nomination. The right wing evangelicals believe Obama to be the Anti Christ. You can be sure McCain will get their votes in millions.
McCain can now take have a more moderate VP such as Lieberman,to pull in the independants.
It is quite frightening how americans are so easily manipulated by the media. I guess they don’t understand that big buisness owns them.
It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.
Winston Churchill

Posted by: IIIiiiIII | March 26, 2008, 4:37 pm 4:37 pm

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