Kos: Clinton Doesn’t Deserve ‘Fairness’

Uh-Oh. Here is more of what Kos says:
“Clinton and her shrinking band of paranoid holdouts wail and scream about all those evil people who have “turned” on Clinton and are no longer “honest power brokers” or “respectable voices” or whatnot, wearing blinders to reality, talking about silly little “strikes” when in reality, Clinton is planning a far more drastic, destructive and dehabilitating civil war.”
Yep. That about sums it up.
HRC’s path to the nomination is to Burn Her Own House Down

Like the rest of the media, he’s totally in the tank for Obama. What a jerk. I feel sorry for HRC. She deserves better.

In 1996, while running for re-election, Bill Clinton sent out a mass mailing to friends and prospective donors—including one to the Nation of Islam. In it, he invited Claudette Muhammad, who at the time was chief of protocol, to be on his steering committee. “It is my way of saying thank you for your past friendship and it is my way of asking you to join me in this new campaign,” he wrote. Muhammad reprinted the letter in a memoir; a spokesman for Clinton declined to comment.
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Well said. I don’t even like Mitt Romney but he had the class to step aside for the good of his party. If he hadn’t the Republicans could very well be in the same shape as the Democrats. So we are stuck with an insidiously vindictive woman ruining the Democratic party. It’s too bad the party leadership won’t stand up and tell her to step aside. It’s truly a shame.

The truth hurts!

We should boycott Hillary. I find this article statistically accurate.
I often wonder
Would Obama still be in this race if he had lost 12 in a row???
Would Obama still be in the race if poll suggested Hillary is more electable???
Would Obama still be in this race if Superdelegates were flocking to Hillary’s side?
Would Obama still be in this race if he lost 12 in a row BUT won Ohio???
NO. And so the fact that she’s still in this race demonstrates how bias the DNC really is.
So I completely agree with KOS.

Janet,
I noticed that you highlighted Ms. Clinton’s gender with the VINDICTIVE WOMAN statement. Does the Obama team really think its going to neutralize its association with Reverend Wright by playing the gender card, as KOS seems to be doing as well. Nice try, people that do this are usually called REPUBLICANS.

Vanessa,
Here you go wading in from the EXTREME FAR RIGHT and you are going to jump in bed with the KOS? Good grief, KOS is giving the REPUBLICANS all the tools they need to attack the DEMS in the fall. Thanks KOS. We heard HILLARY CLINTON yesterday sasying keep it on the issues. KOS, you may be hearing but you are not listening!!

Commander Guy,
No I’m talking about YOU yourself, a former Huckabee supporter, getting in bed with the Obama camp. I have not yet heard you publicly disavow support for McCain yet.

VANESSA,
Based on your statement your man MCCAIN should have dropped out of the race after Iowa, or even six months before the contests started. BILL CLINTON was right, chill, let the voters decide. KOS does not want that, nor does VANESSA.

You all are ridiculous … saying “Kos should be shut down” because he printed the truth.
You all put “the Clintons” over the Party, the country, the open media, the facts… it doesn’t matter what…you all are so brainwashed… most of you probably have never considered another candidate because of this candidates last name…and because she was part of that administration that you fought the Republican attack machine on.
Sad… the superdelegates were actually put there more to protect from someone like the Clintons with their entrenched insider crap but unfortunately much of those entrenched are superdelegates. Thank God some of them have to be elected.

I’m an Obama supporter.
You know I’m right that’s why you keep bringing Republicans into this.

I agree with this DailyKos writer. The fact that Obama’s money contributions, much like Ron Paul’s donations, has come from small donors carries a lot of weight as far as I am concerned. Clinton’s campaign is a machine run by special interests and promoted by viralent acid-tongued bloggers such as WestCoastMessenger and s.b. My gut tells me not to trust her with regards to doing what is best for the people of this country. How can she when she has been bought by special interests.

AMEN!!! Well said….now Hilary get out,,,,,,

ANTENIAN,
So you would discount the voters in favor of those who donate small amounts of money. That shows what you know about the average Democrat. The average Democrat cannot even afford to donate a nickel to a candidate that’s going to help them. These are the people that Hillary Clinton is standing up for. I’m glad that KOS has plenty of time to annoy us with his POSITION OF UNFAIRNESS on his retirement income.

Once again you avoid the question. And once again I stand corrected, Hillary supporters are in denial.

Hillary has been in the race because of the recent victory. It was the will of the voters and not Hillary herself. The people who writes these blogs do not understand the issue of the “Blue Collar” people who do not have time to read these blog and are very interested to get their next pay check and healthcare.
Again, when economy tanks and “White Collar” become “Blue Collar”, I think the demoted “White Collar” will have same views as today’s “Blue Collar”.

WestCoastMessanger, the Hillary lover, you are all other the place, could you take it easy and understand that Hillary has to get more than the popular vote to be able to win the nomination, delegates count is the most important thing in this race and Obama is wining them every day so he is the front runner and will be the nominee. No other speculation about that point and superdelagates know that very well. The will of the people is not the popular vote but the number of delegates acquired on proportional basis and you know that key point. Please do not create confusion. OBAMA08

I agree. The only reason Hillary is still in it is because she is willing to fight dirty to get it. Her campaign repeatedly relies on voter ignorance. That’s grostesque, frankly. So bring it on, I say. Let’s see your dirtiest best, dear. We’ll laugh while we watch you burn down your own throne. Good thing too since we aren’t into thrones in America.

Kos and the rest of the media (that there has been so much spin on about them being so one sided to Obama…) is just had it with the blinders…and the accusations that if you report the facts and Hilary supporters and her angry machine will come down on them.
“Enough!” is what he is saying.
If Obama, Biden, McCain, Dodd, Kucinich, Edwards…any of them had as many scandals and had driven on this long driving the fight over the good of the party and they were losing… well it’s a mute point …none of them would have done this.
Which goes back to why you are going to see more and more “MSM” getting less afraid of people saying they are biased because what KOS said was the truth. I bet pretty soon you will start to see all the candidates who ran coming out of the woodwork and saying the same thing.
If anybody had done what Sen Clinton is doing now…because they have so many supporters…well yes…the most popular, successful and notable Dem official we have is married to her.
She is going to have support inherently …from day one… Stop saying it is all because she is the best person to represent an image of the country (Obama does that better) …her experience (Dodd and Biden do it better)… she’ll get things done…again Dodd and Biden did it better…and her judgement Richardson, Dodd Biden Edwards and most of all Obama did it better.
You all are destroying the party with your lack of self awareness.

Hillary is in the race because WE want her in the race despite the Obummers attempt to intimidate, harrass, distract, acuse, lie, impersonate hope and instigate racial division just the few signs of “Change” that we won’t allow to be FORCED on us.

Obama is a nice gullible guy. He need to learn to navigate and react quickly to voter’s problem. He is still noodling on the old issues.
Kos has amnesia as millions of people along with Hillary supported Iraq war. Decision was not based on some preacher’s influence but fact presented by Collin Powell.

Sam,
Well said. You’ve totally earned my respect.

Once again you avoid my question.
This is Hillary supporters problem. I DO NOT speak for Obama. I would like Obama to push hard at Hillary, may be throw some of that “kitchen soup” in her face.
But Obama is a bigger person then both Hillary and I.
The reason I brought up those scandal are, these are the EXACT scandals the Republicans we use against her.
She has SO much baggage that comes along with her. Mostly because of Bill. But we all know, with Hill comes Bill.
And last, how does this not bode well for Obama???
I’m glad you think so highly of me that I can affect his candidancy.
The fact of the matter is, he’s leading in states (30-14), popular vote (700,000+ according to CNN), and delegates (169)

no westcoast
they have hesitations about Florida because now Sen Clinton is trying to spin the situation as she is “fighting for the voters”
She is fighting for the votes.
If she was cared about those voters she would have fought for their votes when it counted …when she signed an agreement stating their votes wouldn’t count.
Now she is playing like she is their hero…
Everyone knows that Hillary won on the Clinton name and recognition. that was that way in every state before people got to meet the candidates. Unfortunately now she has twisted it even further.
Yeah she cares about the voters legitimate ability to have their voices heard…it is all about Sen Clinton.

Thanks dl, I was pulling one of your Gods’ tricks, it’s called mimicing. In this case I was mimicing you.

I have read where some of you are bashing Clinton for not sticking up for Obama’s minister. What? Stick up for the man who said that the Clintons did to the AA community what Bill did to Monica? (With lewd gestures) Or the minister who said, “God damn America?” That’s the minister you want Senator Clinton to stand up for? Or you want her to turn the other cheek and make a public statement that Senator Obama’s friend, mentor, pastor for 20 years, does not speak for him? You Obama folks are truly off your rocker. As far as Kos goes, he needs to remember that in the end, Clinton will have the popular vote. And after 2000, does the DNC really want to award the nomination to the delegate winner or the popular vote winner? Think about it Kos? Additionally, look in your own back yard for divisiveness, sir. I and Senator Clinton have been called many, many vile sexist names in the comments section of your blog. As a result, I went from a daily reader to one who will not ever click on dailykos again.

Why should Hillary drop If this had just started her call to drop out maybe I could go along with it but from the start of this race Hillar and her supporters were treated like we did not count and like we have not been a part of this Democratic party well I have for thirty years and anyone who thinks he will make it in November without the base of the party those of us who work ten hrs six days but will stand in line and wait to vote are just damm stupid.

WestCoastMessenger – Yes I do believe that many small donors like myself, don’t know about you, should carry more weight than a single large PAC donor. I also believe that an overwhelming majority of democrats can afford to give at least a nickel to a campaign to show there support if they choose to. Unfortunately a nickel isn’t what it used to be, just ask that Paul character.

traci – My guess is that Obama has a good chance against McCain. McCain wants to keep us in Iraq for 100 years if that is what it takes. He also is belligerent towards Iran. I don’t think many folks are going to go for that language come election time. I am an independent who does not support Obama, Clinton or McCain so I am just telling it like I see it. I am writing in Ron Paul who has no chance.

Daily Kos is the FAR LEFT wing of the democratic party, which essentially is the Obama wing of the party. And Daily Kos has stated that Clinton doesn’t deserve fairness. Which is exactly what the Obama supporters are repeating in their own blogs. This, in my opinion, is the ultimate selling of ones soul for expediency over truth. For I believe when truth is comprised then neither Daily Kos nor Obama can possibly benefit because everything about Obama and his campaign is now suspect.

antenian says: My guess is that Obama has a good chance against McCain. McCain wants to keep us in Iraq for 100 years if that is what it takes. He also is belligerent towards Iran. I don’t think many folks are going to go for that language come election time.
You make a good point antenian, I just have a feeling that the preacher problem will just get worse for Obama in the general election. It really surprised me to see that Obama would have this man as his pastor and it raises questions for me, and I wonder which way other Independents will go. I would definitely vote for Hillary over McCain, but if it’s between Obama and McCain I may just stay home.

It’s clear that the Obama people think Hillary Clinton doesn’t deserve fairness by the way they’ve lied about her and disparaged her accomplishments. Being someone who embraces democratic values because I believe in fairness, this was a major repellent. When I saw how ugly it was, I turned off Obama to the point I would not vote for him in a general election. I would not vote for McCain either so my vote would have to go to Nader. Who knew?

COUNT all DEMOCRATS!!! Anything less is offensive. The KOS MAFIA is acting offensively.

Are Hillary supporters blind too???
Look under Obama name, it says, 49.
Look under McCain name, it say, 47.
My God.

Yet another example of the Clinton scorched earth campaign. They’ve already lost the nomination, but if they can’t have it, they will either try to stage a coup or destroy the Democratic Party forever by trying.
Want proof? Just scroll up and look at all the venom and vitriol coming from the Clinton Cult members. This isn’t discourse, it’s character assassination at it’s most base. It is also very, very, very, VERY sad to read.

Again and again and again -
The obama cult follower have to bash Hillary Clinton. All the garbage drops out of obama’s bags and it is Hillary’s fault.
Wow – a true cult leader with a mass of cult followers.
Drop out obama – do the USA a great favor and just drop out of this race and the TRUE AMERICANS will have the right candidates and a true election.
Drop out obama
Then go and caucus with the Rev. Wright, Louis Farrakhan, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, the governor of Massachusetts, Teddy Kennedy, John Kerry
Please drop out.

The Hillary supporters here think she’s been treated unfairly. The Obama supporters think that they’ve been treated unfairly. The Hillary supporters say their voices weren’t hear din the caucuses. The Obama supporters say that Hillary supporters had every chance to show up at the caucuses. The Hillary supporters think that they can beat John McCain because of experience. The Obama supporters think that Hillary can’t win on the experience issue ‘cos John McCain just has so much more of it.
That beguiles the point of the article!!
The fact is, Hillary is in a position where she has a 5% chance of winning, and only by a coup of the superdelegates against the popular will. Any other candidate would have dropped out by now, if only for the good and unity of the party. Yet, she is still in there… with a campaign that has become increasingly dirty against a fellow democrat. That is the point Markos was trying to make, and, as usual, falls on deaf ears in the Hillary camp.
Face it, her campaign blew it! She had all the advantages coming in, and the only reason she’s even hanging in there is because her campaign has gone dirty, hurting the Democratic Party as a whole. The last point is a reality that the superdelegates cannot ignore, which i probably why not one superdelegate has come towards Clinton since February 5th.

I am an Obama supporter, and if Hillary should win I will not vote for the power hungry woman. My famil and I will sit out this general election.

I was watching CNN and that EXACTLY what it said. That’s why I went to their websites to report back here. It was taken today.

DIA,
I take it you don’t want to count the rest of the Democratic votes? Do you call yourself a Democrat?

Vanessa,
CNN consistently gets it wrong. How do you explain all the polls that magically get reversed on election day?

DIA,
This isn’t about HILLARY CLINTON. It is about fundamental DEMOCRACY. DO you really believe for one minute that the DEMOCRATIC PARTY is going to disenfranchise Florida and exclude their votes? That would be phenomenally stupid. What would happen in fall election? This isn’t about what HILLARY CLINTON wants, its about what DEMOCRATS require, deserve, and will get. Let’s COUNT ALL DEMOCRAT votes. Not just the ones that KOS wants, not just the ones that DIA wants, and not just the ones that VANESSA wants. This is DEMOCRACY by GOD!

I HAVE GOOD NEWS…
FLORIDA WILL NOT HAVE A RE-VOTE

Vanessa’s happy people lose their opportunity to vote

In fact, things are looking even better by the numbers. WSJ and Newsweek polls are showing Clinton taking a lead in the dem race and would beat McCain. It will be interesting to see what the polls will show next week.

I guess Kos just proved the point of Clinton Bloggers that went out on strike.

Ok you knee-jerk Obama supporters have you really listended to your “messiah’s” rhetoric. We are going to solve our economic problems by giving tax breaks to the middle class and take tax breaks away from the elites. We are going to spend the money (which Bush has insanely borrowed from the Chinese and the Saudis) wasted in Iraq on our “infrastructure”..no new taxes, no sacrifices we will just take our “overdrafts” and apply it to bridges, roads and of course health-care. Hillary may have some pie in the sky also but she is more specific in dealing with the mortgage crisis and other key segments of the economy. You are in love with the “idea” of Obama and not Obama’s “ideas. If you want to atone for your “white” guilt about all the evils done to Black Americans do some work out in the community rather than give Mccain a free ride with an opponent who is not ready for “prime time”.

Democrat,
I, too, am horrifed by what has happened in Florida with their Republican state legislature actually orchestrating the date so that Florida Democratic voters in the primaries would not be counted.
Now that should be a call to arms for all Democrats. It should not matter whether you support Obama or Clinton. It is wrong! It is corrupt! It is certainly not democratic!

If I was a democrat in Florida, I would vote Republican.

Commander Guy wrote:
“All the FL state Dems played along with and actually approved the scheme to Change the date.
I think the final vote was something like 196-2 in favor of flouting the rules.
So FL dems have a remedy. Throw the Bums out!”
Is that right?? Why the heck did they do that?? What could ever be gained?? Enlighten me! That is simply crazy!!

Well I guess you have to at least give Kos credit, he’s doesn’t pretend to be fair like the rest of the media, at least he’s honest about his bias. The rest have hated Clinton from Day One, shall we say, but pretended to be fair. It took a comedienne to shame them into doing their job. Their complacency and bias got us in this mess with the pastor, if they would’ve done their job back in January we’d have a nominee by now, instead we’re almost stuck with a surefire general election loser. But I guess this mess sells papers too. Congrats to the MSM and the democrats, you figured out a way to make a complete mess of what should have been a no-brainer cake walk to the White House. Maybe Wright is right, this country does suck just not for the reasons he thinks.

Gee, I hate to get back on topic here, but: Kos never pretended to be the New York Times. He’s got his constituency, and he’s sticking to it. He says stuff that needs to be said about the DLC and their girl. He’d be crazy to let Hillary bloggers turn the web site into some kind of op-ed page managed with pretend neutrality and balance. As he points out, that brand of even-handedness has led the MSM into the alternate reality of the Clinton campaign, which insists that, facts be damned, this race is a dead heat.

Kos may think Hillary doesn’t have a chance, but he should take a look at Obama! Wright’s resounding condemnation— “God damn America” is Obama’s death knell, wringing in our collective ear.
It did not have to be this way.
Obama chose the Reverend; the Reverend chose his words; words matter and choices bear consequences.
Who among us believes that America created HIV/AIDS? That America is to blame for 9/11? That America deserves God’s damnation rather than God’s blessing? These are the teachings of Obama’s spiritual mentor!
Obama says he did not know. His claim on innocent ignorance defies credibility.
What we have in Obama is a man with disturbing beliefs who is willing to lie about them to gain the Presidency of the United States.
What is his agenda?

According to rasmussed, Obama has lost his lead against Mc Cain. He has lost 5% nationally since last Thursday.
According to RealClearPolitics, on a national level, Mc Cain wins over Obama and loses to Hillary.
And this has just started. Obama’s numbers have nowhere to go but down.

The sad part is that Kos and others can not be bothered to question why Obama TOOK PAC and special interest and lobbyist money (and Rezko money) for all his past campaigns including his US Senate race and why he does not take the money now as well as actually callling BULLSHIT on the “i don’t take lobbyists money” when Obama does but as long as the person is not a “federal registered lobbyist”

I love it. For 6 weeks, Obama beats Clinton in 95% of the polls versus McCain. The day he slips behind, the entire Clinton crowd comes running out with, “look at the polls, look at the polls”.
How about the SUSA state-by-state matchups?
A poll this early means very little. If the poll showed McCain beating Obama or Clinton 75/25, there would be a real problem. At this point, there are political lifetimes between here and November — As we’ve seen, since the same HRC posters neglect to point out that the same Gallup/Rasmussen polls had Obama at an all-time high just last Thursday, and with all-time differentials before that.

james, you are right about the long time between now and november. much can happen. that is NOT in obama’s favor, as he can expect his numbers to drop as he continues to be exposed. nevertheless, some of us are responding with current polling information, to clear up any misconceptions by those who are putting out selective and false information.
re last week’s high ratings for obama – yes. but dropping rapidly since the wright thing became public.

IF you like the way the Democrats created their electoral system, wait until they get their hands on the top spot in the government. Expect more convoluted systems that create distance between the government and the governed and poor results.

Self-appointed, self-righteousness is a difficult and risky stance in this day and time. Pundits have been announcing the outcome of this campaign since before the candidates announced their candidacy. To date they have been wrong,really wrong.
The daily Kos is ticked because “Hillary isn’t …;or won’t …; and she will lose”. This conduct is nothing more that a little boy “fit”. I see small curled fists and small feet slamming against the floor. She won’t quit, I hate her, I hate her… sorry that was Chris Matthews some time ago.
The often cited, “Hillary can’t win!” mantra is largely ignored by those of us who know better. However, this repetitive statement seems to meet the needs of the spoiled boy media who just can’t quite figure out why this “woman” won’t stop, quit, give up, go away….
It’s not over. The media doesn’t know better than the rest of us. The media does not elect the president, unless we let them. This is just the beginning of a close look at Obama and a variety of other issues.
Kos and the rest of the boys need to take a break and relax and let the rest of us make up our minds based on the facts and the candidates statements as we see and hear them.

Hillary is in the race to Spoil it for Obama,she already said if she do not win then McCain would be a better president.This women basically sold out the Dem party.This makes me feel she is not a true Dem at heart. The good thing about this primary season was that Americans really got to see the true character of this women,which fits with her high neg ratings. Kos is right she doesn’t deserve fairness,simply because she does not know the meaning of the word.

We all know that Hillary supported the resolution that ultimately was used to authorize war — bad on her, and its hurt her immeasurably with the “progressive” wing of the Democrats. But as repeated over and over, Obama, once in the Senate, never voted against a bill to continue funding for the war, and on Kyl-Lieberman his vote was. . .absent. As for the superdelegates, their job is to pick the candidate who, in the exercise of their best judgment, has the best chance of winning the election in November, not to blindly follow “the will of the people,” especially in a close race like this. If Hillary wins big in PA and has a strong showing in the other upcoming primaries, while she may not have a majority of delegates, she certainly can make a credible case that she’s the best candidate to win in November. Of course a lot can happen between now and the convention, including how serious the repercussions are from the Wright/Obama matter. Right now the controversy shows no signs of dying down. Will Obama put it to bed in his PA speech? We’ll see.

As far as I’m concerned, the democratic party has already decided that their rules are more important than including the votes from voters in 2 states. The fact that Obama chose to remove his name from the ballot and not be counted in Michigan’s voting was his decision. When the party rules take precedence over the will of the voters in those states, the party needs to take accountability for their actions. The voters are the ones who lose here because their votes don’t count. If the reverse were true and Obama won those states, I guarantee you he’d be fighting to get those delegates included.

I get the feeling from reading the blogs sometimes …and of course from reading, the not-so-mainstream media these days that Hillary is somehow UnAmerican or evil for running for president. She is supposed to not be a candidate because Obama is ahead….neither can win without superdelegates….
Has the American brand become …”Give it up for the one that is ahead”
I have serious doubts that Obama can win 51% of the vote. I saw his beautiful speech.
I mourn for Ferraro who has been ruined by a powerful combination of a willing press and a manipulative Obama campaign, and her own inability to back down…I am truly sad for this church and it’s flawed minister. Obama never stood up to the most evil and untrue teachings or tried to “heal’ this church. Now he will try to heal America.
All speeches aside….this is one time that I’m not terribly pleased with my Democratic Party. But then that’s politics after all.

How long will the dimocratic party allow Hillary Clinton to divide the party for no good reason ? It’s not like she going to win. I could not beleive she said Macain would be a better commander a cheif becuse he has more experince than Obama. The only problem with that is he also has more than Mrs. Clinton

Big surprise. DailyKos has been running a persistent extremely negative anti-Hillary campaign. Rank and reeking rumours, blaming Hillary for every misstep Obama makes.
Nice to know the cat is finally out of the bag, and I hope Kos reports each and every penny that has been used, under the umbrella of a “liberal” blog to raise money for Obama.
A political campaign for a single person does not constitute a movement. It is a cult.