Michigan Do-Over Primary ‘Dead’

Please help me understand why Michigan scheduled the early primary, and in the case of Florida, why the Floridians must lose their delegates because of the vote from their Republican legislature/governor that moved up both party primaries.

Easy take it to the floor of the convention.
Obama is bluffing. Telling his delegates to vote against seating Michigan and FLorida is political suicide.
He blocked redo primaires, now take it to the floor Hill!!!!

Obama is just playing poker hoping to convince people that Hillary cant win. he has lsot this be tseveral times and will lose it again judgeing by recent polls in WV, PENN et all.
Stop trying for a redo Hillary. You don’t need one. YOu won these states already.
Take it to the floor. Let democrats face the music. They will seat MI and FL delegations. 100% guarenteed.
No more discussion. He blocked the redo’s. You gave him the chance. now take it to the floor.

Michigan Do-Over Primary ‘Dead’
equals, for those who fail or do not want to notice:
Clinton Bid For The White House ‘Dead’
So thanks for trying and take care.

Tom-I’m a Clinton supporter and I think that’s a dumb idea.
S.B. I agree with you. Hillary just get on with PA and the rest of the states. Then take it to the floor and let it all hang out.

Actually I think this benefits CLinton and that Obama has just handed her the nomination.
He might have won MI. Now he never will. She didn’t just win MI and FL she won big. He could have changed that narrative. Now he can’t.
MI and Fl will be seated as is, with 40% uncommitted delegates ripe for poaching instead of many of them being Obama delegates.
Hillary gets to say she won all the big states, can use the arguements that superdelegates should vote for her because FL and MI havent been counted. Obama gets no votes in the MI primary to count towards the popular vote, and he has to argue against seating 8% of the democratic electorate at convention.
I think Obama blocking these two primaries just gave Hillary Clinton the nomination on the convention floor.

Obama didn’t block the redo primaries, the two states did. Howard Dean offered the states a chance to do a re-vote, which was generous considering they broke the rule laid down by the DNC. The Clinton campaign agreed to those rules, but now that she hasn’t sown up the nomination, she wants to change those rules. Typical Clinton politics.

Obama blocked redo primaries in both states.
He is welcome to explain himself and his position to the Democratic National Convention.
Take it to the floor Hill!

Yeah, take it to the floor. And after a sleazy Clinton bid to steal the nomination, hello president McCain.

How did Obama block the Primaries? he did not move them up, he did not set the rules that said they did not count, he did not hold up wither process to set up re-votes. Neither state wanted to pay for a new process. In Michigan, it did not even get through the legislature to be considered. HRC herself said that shouldn’t count and would not matter, of course she said that before he was down in delegates. Those states scrwed themselves. If they wanted to change the order for primaries, they had 4 years to address the issue with the DNC. They knew what would happen and did it anyway.

It’s the party’s fault. If they wanted to break the rules and become irrelivant and disenfranchise the will of the voters, they shouldn’t of gone against the rules. However, don’t fret yet, I’m sure Hilliary’s pals at the DNC will find a way to give her what she wants anyway. Since when have rules ever stood in the way of the Democrat party, or the Clintons???

I can handle a President McCain but I cannot a President Obama and I expect you Obama lot feel the same of Clinton. Take it to the floor Hillary!

Unfortunately for Obama, the Republicans nominated McCain, the least offensive of the Repubs and one who does not frighten Democrats like Romney or Huckabee would have. Therefore Democratic voters like me, who have never voted Republican in our lives, will very seriously consider voting for McCain after Obama’s trashing of both America and the right of 2 states to vote. I dislike McCain far less than I do Obama.

Obama & DNC: ‘Yes, we CAN’T!’
Take it to the floor, Senator Clinton!

I agree Dogsoldier — watching Obama stand up before America and call his supposedly beloved grandmother a racist for his own political gain, was one of the most offensive things I have ever witnessed.

Really enough of this.
Let the campaigns make their case in front of the American people and then let the delegates at the convention decide.
If the democratic party is unwilling to seat 8% of the democratic electorate at it’s convention, then it will no doubt lose the election, as it should.
There are no more solutions. No one can unelect delegates overruling the voters of MI and FL, with some arbitrary apportionment of delegates.
Either the delegations are seated as is or they aren’t.
Take it to the floor! Call his bluff Hill!

Bye..bye Hillariosly

So Obama doesn’t believe in the democracy on which American is founded then? Obviously not. No way is he the future of the democratic party: he is the death of it as far as the 2008 Election is concerned. He can wheel and deal with Rezko but for him to play with the right of ordinary American people to express their vote absolutely stinks. And people want this man to be President: you must be joking!

As Chicago one sang…”She’s gone..oh I…oh I…I’d pay the devil to replace her…she’s gowne….”

LAGuy-Honestly, Obama throwing his grandmother under the bus is the ONE thing that stood out in my mind the day after Obama’s race speech and it really angered me.

Think about it! Clinton will have another chance and she can learn by her mistakes. I mean four years from now she’ll be much wiser and would have learned more tricks to use to fool the voters. She’s a fast learner, and by the time the next election comes around she be able to fool the best of us. She just has to learn to avoid putting anything on the record where the truth can come out.

Because the voters in both states havent gone out to the streets and said what are you doing.And Americans have not supparted them in the same way

Obama & DNC: ‘Yes, we CAN’T!’
Take it to the floor, Senator Clinton!

If people in those states wish to be upset with somebody, blame your state’s representatives. They are the ones who moved the primary ahead AFTER they were told it would not count if they did. How does this not make sense to anyone? Again, they(your state) moved your primary with the full knowledge that it would not count. Both Hillary and Obama are on record opposing this move in the beginning of the cycle. Don’t confuse their current political posturing for ownership of the problem. That falls squarely on the leaders of your states!

How do all of your Obamalovers think putting a socialist in office who wants to tax the crap out of us, and ruin this economy for “carbon credits” think this is going to decrease the price of gas? Is Obama going to give OPEC bjs so they increase production?

people should know better than to think florida doesn’t count – i am amazed that in spite of 2000 anyone misses that florida counts – florida could decide this election once again – what was that about ‘repeating history’ !

Marilyn-It was not the democrats in FL or MI who decide. It was the Republican Governor and the republican controlled house who moved the primary DESPITE democrats who asked differently. MI somewhat the same except they have a dem gov.

DavidE, That was Hall & Oates not Chicago,
and the real song is by Elton John…The Bitch is back, as a matter of fact…lol
Obama people don’t know rock & roll.

I think caucuses are good for energizing voters, discussing issues, local campaigning, etc. But I dont think they reflect the will of the voters as primaries do. For the future, I think the new party rules should be for all states to allow caucusing and primaries but only primaries allocate delegates. Delegate allocation should be proportional to voter participation not registered democrats. Primaries should be closed to prevent GOP fixing. Superdelegates should be included to represent the party. If the voters dont want them to have more weight than delegates from the states then they need to get out and vote to prevent it. There are valid cases for the superdelegates and the RNC has them too for the same reasons. Latest poll shows 49% of Americans polled believe the superdelegates should vote for the most electable candidate based on their judgment.
As far as this election, the courts or the DNC credentials committee has to come up with a solution to seat the delegates at let everything be hashed out at the convention or those states voters have had their rights violated and will vote GOP out of anger. The latest polls also show 63% wanted new primaries. 19% wanted them counted based on January primaries. Only 15% say dont seat the delegates for MI & FL.
Obama made a bad move. I hope it gets Clinton the nomination. We will see what happens after the court decisions and in Auguest.

If it were the lawmakers and the elite who were takeing the brunt of the punishement I would say serves them right, but its the common man and woman who is being punished for what their leaders did. Its undemocratic to disenfranchise the voters in these two states just because the DNC wants to prove a point. let them have their say or they will in Novemeber and it wont be pretty for the Democrats. As far as Obamas position he is stonewalling. he knows he will probably lose Florida and after the rev. Wright fiasco may lose Michigan as well. This is just another example of why we need not vote for Obama. The only side he is on is his own.

Its time for Al Gore and John Edwards to stand up and endorse a candidate. Too many superdelegates continue to walk the fence while the Democratic nominees tear each other down, down, down (already below McCain).
At this point (when it is a virtual mathematical impossibiliy for Clinton to catch up with Obama), this fence-walking is not justifiable.
PA results wont change the situation, either. It seems that Ted Kennedy and John Kerry are the only ones showing any guts.

Clintons failed in manipulating the race.

Yes Howard Dean’s head should be on a platter for the final convention wine and cheese.
His incompetence aside, Hillary does not need to do anything else. She won these these states.
They are either seated at convention or Obama’s candidacy is doomed as it has no legitimacy and he has lost two states off the bat, probably more.
Not only is his candidacy doomed if he argues against seating MI and FL at the convention in front of the American viewing public, his political career is over.
Call his bluff and take it to the floor Hill! You don’t have to do any thing else.
This goes to convention and I think Hillary has just won.

DCVoter-I disagree on the super delegate issue. No super delegates, ever. I believe each winner of any state needs to count 75% of total. The remaining spread according to vote. Let the people chose all the way. No exceptions.

What could possible show Obama’s true colors than his opposition to a revote in Michigan and Florida? Politics of change? Politics of Hope?
Gleeful Obama supporters should keep something in mind. This sets a precedence for denying the votes to 9% of the US electoral body in this nation during THE most important voting process any of us ever participate in. Next time it could be your voice silenced. It could be over an issue of tremendous importance to you. This is not about Hillary or Barack. This is about Democracy.
(And if you’re going to start crying about the rules, what do you have to say about the 4 other states that moved up the date of their primaries this year without losing delegates? The only persons you’re cheating is yourselves.)

What’s meant to be is meant to be. No matter what HRC does she keeps hitting brick walls. She’ll do it as presdent too. Where Hillary goes DRAMA follows! Give it up Hillary. A new generation is taking over and we want OBAMA!

For all of you that think McCain would be a better President? Remember that when you are pumping $5 per gallon gas and purchasing $6 a gallon milk and your house is in Forclosure. Because, this is what we recieved from the Republican Party. The dollar isn’t worth a box of Fruit Loops. We are engaged in an illegal war!!! It is time for a CHANGE in this country! We need to STOP THE RACIAL DIVISION. Or we will never see any changes in this country. Wake up and stop thinking in prehistoric times. These videos that continue to play. Only shows the fear that the Republican Party has. They are afraid of losing the election. But at the same time dividing this country….that is not acceptable! Black….White….Hispanics…Native Americans…we must stand together and let the Republican party know that they cannot minipulate our vote! Enough Rush and Sean Hannity!!! I challenge you to be the Christians that you claim to be!

New Mexico-You already got Obama and if the polls are correct then you’re going down with him. Cherrio!

This morning Sam Donalson said on tv If Democrate put Obama at the general election , Democrate party would be finished.

Alaska White Lady,
Grammar includes paragraphs, just so you know.
As far as the math is concerned, Clinton is looking to take WV, Kent. Penn, and PR by 30% margins. She is also favoured to win Indiana and Oregon. She has pulled even in North Carolina.
There’s lots of math left.

Obama has no scruples. He tosses aside the voters of MI and FL, like they’re nobody, and is treating them like dirt.

Take it to the floor Hill! Obama cannot and will not win thanks to his association to The Racist Wright. So if the Dems want to have a chance to win the White House they better stick behind the only candidate that stands a FIGHTING chance!
YES SHE CAN!!!!

I think David Gergen sums it up rather well with a somewhat cooler mind than most here:
Efforts to blame Obama over the Florida fiasco seem entirely misplaced: The opprobrium belongs to Charlie Crist and the Republican legislature and remember, too, that both Clinton and Obama supporters in Congress and the state legislature didn’t like the re-do plan. In Michigan, it was a Democratic governor who supports Clinton who signed on to the early primary and helped to create this mess. Clinton can hardly claim clean hands here, either.
This is getting down in the weeds, but if you are a political junkie, bear with me for a moment. Even though her own supporters helped to create the Michigan mess, Clinton does have a good argument that Obama partisans are dragging their feet on a re-do there. But the Obama people have a legitimate rebuttal that people who voted for the GOP candidates earlier this year should not be banned from voting in a re-do in Michigan – that is only fair. If the Clinton folks would drop the ban, Obama folks should support the re-do – or face appropriate fire for standing in the way.

White Lady,
Oh,,,you are so ****
Sorry I’m not the person like you…

You know all you people are funny. All this Michigan/Florida nonsense is by design. Obama is shaken up because he brings up the race issue over some stupid comments his ex-pastor made and now he is being crucified for what he had no control over in the first place. What he probably should have said in his speech and probably would have been more accurate is he’s shaken up because he actually thought he might win and now he sees all those liberal minded followers are jumping ship like it’s on fire and he can’t win. (Those Liberal minded folk are worse than Republicans on a good day always under cover with their doings) Why do people think it took until now for someone (most likely a Black Person) who attended the church and had access to the recorded sermon(s) let them it get out to the media now when Hillbilly is trailing so badly and whining at every turn about voted she agreed would mot count months ago? Come on people wake up. Change in America? Are you kidding me? Nothing will change until racism is erased and that is not going to happen when it is perpetuated in peoples families each and everyday, it’s a learned behavior not an inherent one. Best hope we have for change, God is gonna have to end life as we know it and start over from scratch. Hard position to take but one I believe it what it will take to end all this I’m better than you because I am white nonsense.

Garf-Then I suggest you talk with Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson. Don’t quibble with rs over silliness. That’s exactly what Sharpton and Jackson stated. Deal with it and tell us if you agree with them.

Yikes. I just heard Tom Daschle, an Obama surrogate on CNN say that the Obama campaign does not support a revote in Michigan. He said that Michigan voters will have the opportunity to vote in November for either more of the same from the McCain candidacy or they can vote for Mr. Obama in November. So much for Michigan having an opportunity to vote for the candidate that can prevail in November.
I used to be sympathetic to Daschle when the republicans turned their artillary against him. Now, I understand how they determined him to be so vulnerable. What a jerk!

RM – actually, I saw the RNC press release done by its opposition research (footer contained the paid for by RNC etc) last summer. It included information about TUCC, Farrakhan, etc. It was sourced by them to the press back then along with the Rezko stuff. The MSM chose not to vet Obama until the trial for Rezko began. That was simply the catalyst for the other vetting that lead to Wright being exposed and Obama lying to try to cover. Obama and Axelrod knew it was going to be an issue prior to announcing his run per a few news articles done back then. They failed to properly prepare and handle it. The MSM gave him a pass far too long most likely because the reporters were afraid of being called racists and lose their contracts like Imus did.

Lisa-At least you tried to understand and that’s the best us Clinton supporters can hope for I guess. I any case, Hillary better do her job in PA and other states and then see where things go.

OBAMA HAS GOT TO FACE REALITY. THIS HAS HURT HIM AND HILLARY SHOULD WIN THE NEXT PRIMARIES EASILY. THEN HE WILL LOOK LIKE A BIGGER ASS WHEN HE WILL NEED ALSO TO HAVE THOSE VOTES. tHE FUNNY THING ABOUT THAT IS IT WILL BE TO LATE THEY WILL HAVE LEFT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY OR THEY WILL VOTE FOR CLINTON BECAUSE HE WAS A PINHEAD, AND THOUGHT SHORT TERM INSTEAD OF LONG TERM LIKE HILLARY.
OBAMA SUPPORTERS CAN’T STAND THE FACT THAT HILLARY IS REALLY SMARTER, STRONGER, AND PREPARED MORE THEN OBAMA.

Listen up Melissa…there are great, intelligent supporters on both sides. The problem now is Obama cannot win in November.

Dogsoldier… You sound like a decent person. But we all have our prejudices (and it may not have anything to do with race). If you say you don’t then you’re lying my friend. My predjudice is against under-educated people who try to make an argument against OBAMA and for Hillary based on emotion. They’re both on the same side!! But Hillary has gotten nothing done in “all her years of experience” while OBAMA in his short time HAS! BTW…. the Native Alaskan population we’re all one! We can distinguish our heritage because we’re all ALASKAN and 70% of us voted for OBAMA!

Let me get this straight; Caucuses are undemocratic because Hillary always loses, but a primary with only one candidate on the ballot where no one is allowed to campaign, that is democratic, Sounds like the Soviet Union to me.

If the democrats can’t even design and execute an efficient process to select their nominee for President, how can they possibly convince people they’re organized enough to run a country?

Come on Alaskan White Lady…if you are part of the Native Alaskan population like you said…you are not white. You are Indian.

Play by the rules (for once) Hillary.
God, I can’t wait until your pipe dream of being president evaporates. Too bad that you are dragging the party down so far. I used to have respect for you. Wow, was I wrong about you and Bill.

Why was there a problem with moving the dates up for these two states anyway? Why does Iowa and New Hampshire get to vote in January but not these two states, and did the candidates have any choice other than to agree with the silly rule…anyone out there know the answer to that?

ACTUALLY I BELIEVE THE DNC BROKE THE CONSTITUTION.
IT CLEAR STATES EVERYONE HAS THE RIGHT TO VOTE, IT DOES NOT STATE THAT IOWA,AND NEW HAMPSHIRE GOES FIRST.
SO HOWARD DEAN AND NANCY (LOSER)PELOSI
BROKE THE CONSTITUTION JUST LIKE GEORGE BUSH.
IF OBAMA WINS THE NOMINATION AND THERE IS NO RE VOTES OR THE VOTES DON’T COUNT IT WILL NOT BE A LEGITIMATE ELECTION.
THERE ARE OVER 12 MILLION WHO WILL VOTE FOR CLINTON (ACTUALLY MORE WITH FL. MI)
AND WE ARE THE CORE OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY WE GO TO EVERY ELECTION, WE WILL EITHER NOT VOTE OR WE WILL VOTE FOR MCCAIN. IT WILL BE A STOLEN AND TAINTED
ELECTION JUST LIKE HIM. HIS CREDIBILITY REALLY BITES.

Yeah, blame Obama for this. Blame Obama because the state was too boneheaded to follow the rules that 48 other states did. Blame Obama because the state’s leadership, including the governor who is a Clinton-backer, is too chinchy to pay for a redo, now that Clinton has done the math and decided that Michigan should in fact participate in the nominating process. Blame Obama because Michigan is now in the same select company as Florida. Florida — the state still figuring out how to vote.

Alaska White Lady-I’m pulling your leg about your screen name only. But I do know what you meant? Nevertheless, it is nice to talk with you and I believe we can say we both agree to disagree. I do believe, correct me if I’m wrong, you all had 400 and change voters. I’m pushing one person one vote. No Caucuses. So we’ll disagree again. I can handle that. Once again, nice to talk with you even if I am on the opposite side it is good to see you here giving your opinion even if I do not agree.

Wow! the Democratic Pary is disorgnized? Big news!
Come on, Will Rodgers said it 80 years ago:
“I don’t belong to an organized political party: I’m a Democrat.”
Obama doesn’t want a do over because he is in the lead and why risk it. Hillary doesn’t want a caucus because her campaign can’t figure out how to organize one. Everyone is operating in their own self interest and so nothing happens.

Take it to the floor Hill! If you don’t win the DNC then run as Independent. I’m sure a majority of American will vote for you. Just look at Joe Lieberman.

I agree, let it be decided on the floor. Hillary has already won these states, superdelegates are beginning to recant their support of Obama, and he is bluffing. Tuesday, he opened up the race campaign and is now the ‘black’ candidate, today, on a radio talk show, he again put down white people, saying his grandmother’s reaction on seeing a black man was typical of a white person. He’s played the race card, and now, all those voters he led astray in the earlier caucus’ and primaries, will not vote for him, if he wins the nomination, in November. Obama, is a fake, a liar, and a deceiver. It’s not over yet, and I feel Hillary has a very good chance of winning the nomination now. All she has to do is let Obama and his camp continue the way they are, they winning it for her. By the way, Hillary released her itennerary, and is releasing her tax statements, why not Obama? What’s good for one is good for the other. The news media is beginning to crack in their support of this Obama bigot and I’m glad. The American public will not let Obama get away with his deception.

David-You are fire tonight. DCVoter great numbers as always. Can always count on you.

Oh yeah, Obama has gotten alot done in his US Senate seat.
4 years. 1 bill. For the Congo. In Africa.
Wow.
8 years in Chicago. His district looked like 1970s Beirut. Drugs. Rape. Murder. Arson. No clean water. No electricity. 11 condemned buildings (Rezko Buildings no less). Crap streets. Garbage backed up. Filth. Disease. Broken Roads. Broken Bridges. Missing Signs. Dead Schools. No Health Clinics. Runaway Guns on teh Streets. Collapsing support structures. Pollution. Pornagraphy. Privation. Hunger. Prostitution. Aids. Homelessness.
All of these things were there when Obama arrived in office.
Every single one of them remained, exactly entact OR WORSE, on the day he left.
He did NOTHING IN CHICAGO accept take cash and influence, and headed for D.C.
I don’t know about you, but if he does for America what he did for his District, we are all going to look like Bosnia or Chad, long before we look like Paradise.

I just don’t understand this at all. The harsh reality is that Obama cannot win the election in November. It simply won’t happen. Has pragmatism gone out the window? What exactly is the problem with Barack coming back in 4 or 8 years when he MAY win. I hope you guys wake up and go with Hillary or else its 4 more years of Bush…

Any person willing to throw their living grandmother under the bus to protect a anti-American militant doesn’t deserve to serve our country in any way, shape or form. And poor grandmother got stuck having to raise this ingrate.

TJ-The reason Iowa and N.H. go first is they have rules that say if anyone tries to schedule a primary before them, the will reschedule their primary and caucus so it is first again. When there was no rule, state kept trying to jump ahead of them so that the New Hampshire primary that once was in late February now takes place right after New Years. The DNC tried to stop this by the rule that kept Iowa and N.H. first so we don’t end up having primaries on Christmas.
It may be bad for Fla and Mich this year, but do you think they will try the same stunt in 4 years if they lose their delegates?

2009,
Your missing a couple of very important things he did while in Chicago:
1- He voted present about 130 times to avoid taking a stand on any controversial issue
2- He did fundraising activities and was friendly with the Weather Underground founders, who bombed the NYC police headquarters, capital and pentagon in the late sixties and got away on a technicality (acc. to Foxnews & other sources)
These are a couple of accomplishments he can point out in the General Election if he gets there.

Alaska White Lady-Just for the record would you be kind enough to state what is an “under-educated” Clinton supporter? Perhaps grade, college or professional level could help here so we all know where we fit. Me? I’m an engineer in the oil sector, and I happen to be Native American. So, where do I fit?

Latest polls at RCP are showing Obama is unlikely to beat McCain in key states. It is also showing a loss of support for Obama in some of the states that he won with a shift to either McCain or Clinton. Even Rasmussen is now starting to show Clinton opening up the lead. It will be interesting to see tomorrow’s polls or even as late as Monday when the larger polls are completed. (The RCP Average appears to include stats all the way back to last year. Given the special circumstances of MI, FL, Wright, and the First Lady schedules, even the pollsters agree it is not a good indicator now. This is why they are all doing daily polls to gather better statistics for the upcoming contests.)

A Grandma-Well said. Obama throwing his grandmother under the bus, twice, was the point that really stuck in my mind. You don’t do that, ever!

Obama is on Larry King. Gee, I’d like to have the flag concession from his campaign and his signage business. He’s so glib. He obviously wants to “change the channel” from discussion about his speech the other day.

Alaskan White Lady…I stand corrected. Thank you for the information. And, of course, you were right…I am under-educated regarding Alaska, but I can recognize damaged goods. Obama has suffered a mortal wound. By the way…I am a Hillary supporter :)

I think with this “breach of passport” thing with Obama is just another ploy of his to try to keep distractions in the forefront to take the spotlight off his racist remarks. However, he continues to make these remarks…..what is it with this guy? Does he actually think the American public is that stupid? It seems as if he’s doing anything and everything, mostly negative, to keep his failing campaign bid alive. Hillary is beating the heck out of him now in the polls, and people watch these polls….they have a big infuence on their decisions…..added to the fact that Obama continues to push support away from him. He just needs to bow out now, while he has at least a shred of dignity left….just a shred.

Roger king-Isn’t it great being a Clinton supporter? We can admit mistakes and we know Hillary is not the messiah and we can live with that.

CG – they still have a option of a firehouse primary but the state dem comm said no they cant handle it

OBAMA STEALING DELEGATES
Now we know why Obama was against revote in Michigan and Florida. He wants to split the delegates evenly which Hillary won handily. What a hypocrite? It seems like his sense of fairness and judgment is no better than his anti-American pastor who preached racism and hatred. He wants to steal delegates from Hillary. Can we entrust this nation’s reign into the hands of someone who first tried to disfranchise millions of people in Florida and Michigan and then tries to steal delegates from Hillary. He wants to be the president by stealing delegates from Hillary just like Bush did in Florida in 2000. We all know what happened to this nation because of that. Do you want a repeat of history?

It has been reported that:
“Breaking News from CNN*** Someone has breached Obama’s passport records!!!!”
Possibly holdover Clintonites that the Bushies failed to purge involved?

One thing about this election process…no matter how it turns out, it’s not going to put anyone asleep. I hope the Hillary/Obama race is decided sooooon…I need some sleep. lol

Wow….BKMC…you are mentioning me even when I am not on….

I think it would be a sad day in America if A president got elected because the DNC refused to count the votes in 2 of the largest states. There is no doubt they would have put Hillary in the popular vote lead. In the state primaries, the person who leads in the popular vote is declared the winner. Democrats are still wounded from the Gore loss, to Hillary supporters this is like tearing off their scabs. I know I will vote for McCain.

I agree with you…… rob
Obama is making this race into a very sad spectacle in American history

The passport breach thing is a big issue, but happened at the Office-level by Contractors…Supervisors dint report it up….It dint get as far as the State Dept until today…..It has been quickly contained….but there will be an investigation…..it is a non-political issue….
so lets continue our Obama-bashing

Julia – I hardly think anyone considers Dean a good leader. It is my understanding he was put in charge of the DNC because of his innovative Internet campaign fundraising – stupid party move.

Another mccain voter here if o-bomb-a gets the nomination.

MattOhio, DCVoter, Jay, Dogsoldier and rob, be used to the idea that Bhillary is finished, the game is over and the fight is between McCain and Obama and OBAMA IS THE WINNER.BHillary will not get the popular vote, not the pledge delegates count nor the superdelegates count. This is finished, let us focus on November. We need your help to beat McCain is a drum. Rob you are changing your party because BHillary has lost the nomination, come on, there are vision, leadership and honorable principles which democrats are fighting for and a 3rd term of WBush will destroy the American Dream, we all know that.OBAMA 08.

DCV – You saying the Bushies would misuse private records of US Citizens?
IDK, could still be a Clintonite mole from the olden days.

yes evie – it is disconcerting for all but you know Independents were only 26% of the electorate in 2004 and are now 44% even with increased registrations for the dems. Any party who is blind to that is stupid. No matter who gets the WH they have to have a cooperative Congress. Vote dem for congresional races so they get a filibuster proof majority or closer to it. Then vote the lesser of the evils for the WH. Clinton or McCain are moderates that will have some cooperation with Congress. Obama is a liberal and not well liked in Congress so without party unity he wouldnt have a chance in hell of getting anything done much less a chance to win in Nov

“BHillary will not get the popular vote, not the pledge delegates count nor the superdelegates count. This is finished, let us focus on November.”
Do you know that latest inclinations of all ~800 superdelegates? If they have decided, then why are we all still debating this? Oh that’s right, because it’s not over yet.

CG if you think the RNC machine via Cheney would not spy on Obama you must be living on another planet lol

Julia – I think there just might be a party split or a new party of moderates emerge. WOuldnt it be something to see moderate reps and dems combine into a major party and let the conservatives and liberal hae their own minor parties? lol

DC Voter: You are correct about our Senators and Congressman. However, I can’t keep up with the State legislature because so many of our GOP’s have been going to jail for improprieties. And, yes…. even our beloved Ted Stevens and Don Young are under investigation by the FBI. They they may be on their their way out too especially if THEIR FELLOW GOP Gov. Sarah Palin has anything to do with it. GOP politics here are like this current OBAMA/Hillary campaign.
Further Data for Gov voting:
Current-R
02-R
98-D
94-D
90-I
86-D
82-D
74-R
70-D ….Get the picture? We go both ways!
That’s all for me tonight.
OBAMA/Edwards!

IRAQ WAR AND OBAMA
Obama wants to fight the very mindsets that lead us into war. What is that mindset? A mindset that believes that might is right and not right is might; a mindset that believes that we are superior to others and that we can use others to satisfy our self-serving ego. There was a time when slaves and women were disfranchised for the same reasons. The mindset suppressed people’s right to counted and heard. The same right Obama trying to suppress in Florida and Michigan by trying to disfranchise millions of people so that he can steal the election from Hillary the same way Bush did in Florida in 2000. If Obama is the person he claims he is, why he is trying to disfranchise the voters in Florida and Michigan. If you are true leader, let the people exercise their right and have the courage to accept the outcome than trying to suppress the masses.

I have no problem with Clinton’s vote in 2002 or any of the other Senators who voted. If Murtha (most powerful Dem in Congress) who was most adamently against the war endorsed Clinton he must not have a problem with it either. Big blow for Pelosi and Obama. LOL

I’d be the first to sign on DCV. The majority of Americans are middle of the road. I’m so tired of both parties being run by the far left or right, they are the ones that are destroying politics. I don’t see much difference in the liberals or the conservatives – both have holier than tho attitudes and end up with egg on their hypocritical faces at some point.

Since there have not been many facts on this blog, I thought I would share a couple. Neither the National or state governments have laws as to how policial parties choose their candidates. The states make laws about how a person can get their name on the ballot and how the election is run. A primary is not an election. The two major parties control all the state governments so they use taxpayer money to have these big primaries to drive media attention. It is designed for free publicity and make it more difficult for third parties to compete for media attention.

catiger – the numbers do not support your assertion

MikeMo – the green party has tried for years to get established. They ran Nader before so they could get matching campaign funding. The federal govt does not have oversight of the federal party campaigns but they do have the right to guarantee the voters constitutional rights are not violated. Court case ongoing. A dem party split might just change things this time.

DCV -
IDK Bill42 looking to Chicago and the for spiritual guidance after the Famous indiscretion (or at least the one for which he got caught). I guess he needed the wright stuff.
oh and btw
Cheney is the VP.
His job is to carry around a warm bucket of spit and annoy the Media.
He is a Vice President after all. You sayin something different.

Thanks Dogsoldier – Obama’s stereotyping of white voters today is driving the polls in Clinton’s favor for the dem race. I suspect more will be revealed in the vetting also. I doubt we will learn anything new or unexpected about Clinton and the polls seem to agree since the shift is significant. I find it interesting that he is losing support in some of the states he won.

AC-If the polls are correct (Gallup) then you and Obama are going down with the ship. Sorry, no more life jackets. Too many Obama supporters to save. Oh, heck, why not jump aboard. You’re not a bad guy just suffering from delusions. Heck, so is Obama.

The man of Unity, not Divisiveness!!!
Liar, liar, pants on fire. You really care about the country, you want us all to come together and yet, you don’t want millions of votes to count, because you are afraid that you will lose and not be the nominee. This is all about you, Mr. Obama, screw the Democrats, and their hopes, because afterall, it is all about you. For all you Obamanites, who think this is a great idea–if, and I think it will be a big if, your candidate becomes the nominee, he will lose the general election because of this (another bonehead mistake).

DCV, well, the numbers have been lopsided on my side for about a whole month! It is people like you who have been rather delusional. You guys have been day-dreaming.
Look, let’s face it. Clinton has nothing else to offer to her disappointed supporters. She has to provide lead for day dreams to prevent the disappointed supporters from going crazy. She did a good job! Now, even she becomes convinced that she somehow has the miracle. That’s a bit scary!
Or, perhaps she cast a spell on you people?

DCVoter-You got it my friend. BTW, you’re not a “typical white person” are you? Gotta check. Apparently Obama’s been seeing them everywhere. I think he lost one or something.

I agree that Obama is unlikely to win now with the constant flurry of controversy. However, I don’t understand why Clinton supporters are so happy. Wait for the well timed republican commercial this fall when they show her emotional tears and broken voice as she sits with the NH women telling them how hard it is knowing that she might not win in NH. Then they will ask “Are you sure this is the person you want as commander and chief?” Or how about her famous “Shame on you Obama!” and shaking her finger. Wait till the republicans tie her toughness to dealing with terrorist. “Shame on you AlQida!” That’s what elections in America are all about – making the other person look foolish or untrustworthy. It has nothing to do with finding the best person to lead us. The best persons are too smart to try to run because smarts has nothing to do with it. It is all about having the best marketing plan and marketing plans don’t run on truth, but on perceptions.

DCV – Fourth Branch of Govt? Now you are just making stuff up. I took civics and such.
Wonder if this Wright Character stayed in the Lincoln Bedroom?
Wright and Bill seam to be yucking it up in the photo.

Why need a re-do? For changing the result? Then simply count them under Obama. Not for changing result? Then simply keep it is. Re-do may always gives different result. I bet you that a re-do in IA, senator Edwards will be the number one. Should we re-do it in IA?

Dogsoldier – I dont reveal my gender or race online because it taints conversation IMHO. I have an international family that includes many races including white and black. None of us are stereotypical. LOL But we are all very much aware of demographics and differences in culture. However, we vote based on issues and believe in the separation of church and state – which is why very few are Republican. The ones that are tell me they are going to become Independent because the Republicans are allowing too much right wing interference in policy.

Newt is a respected member of the Republican party I refer to as Repugs and he certainly has a failed past as Speaker and is a cheater. But, I dont think marital infidelity has anything to do with a persons ability to do their job unless they let it interfere. He is politically astute and has a vlid point with regards to Obama’s new challenges with voters. I do not support him but I always listen to what people have to say. If he were running, I would campaign against him.

So–Hillary thinks that she should be awarded Mi. and FLA. because she is intitled????Sounds like a “Clinton” !!!

Carolyn
Yes the Clintons like to see all the 50 states in the nomination process….last time I heard voters in FL and MI also wanted that…..
Only whiny Obama is AFRAID of their votes!!!!!

No surprise MattOhio. Sharpton and Jackson “predict” riots if Obama doesnt get the nom and threatened to sue the DNC if they seat MI and FL and “predict” the black voting bloc will become reps. Of course, their out in all this is to blame it on the “white courts” once the decision is made on seating so they dont have to sue.

MattOhio:
Let MI and FL folks talk to their own state officials. They can cast their votes next time to remove them from their office. They made that decision.
What are we afraid of? We are afraid of that you guys will never end! We are afraid of bunch of guys like you who do not understand that rules are made for everybody, including Clintons and yourself.

Why need a re-do? For changing the result? Then simply count them under Obama. Not for changing result? Then simply keep it is. Re-do may always gives different result. I bet you that a re-do in IA, senator Edwards will be the number one. Should we re-do it in IA?

Dogsoldier – from my family to you:
“You think I’m an ignorant “savage” and you’ve been so many places; I guess it must be so, but still I cannot see if the savage one is me. How can there be so much that you don’t know? You don’t know.” – Pocahontas

LOM – I couldnt believe MCNBC has become so biased they cancelled Tucker and I didnt even like him. LOL But he always let his guests have their say unlike the others.

catiger of course Newt did that… he is a repug.. nothing new there… the difference is he cant beat up on her and win… with Obama, newt is right

Man there sure a lot of Dittoheads here these days…
Don’t you dittoheads and freepers and otherwise idiotic bush-butt-wipers have anything better to do with your time than pretend to be Hillary supporters. really shouldn’t you be getting hopped up on oxycotin or viagra or poctures of MAnn Coulter.

MattOhio – did you see the other night when Anderson didnt want to cover the Wright story saying it distracts from the issues? LOL just like the Obamites here… they want to change the subject when it looks bad for Obama

We should ask Obama what stereotype do Kerry, Dodd, Craig, Pelosi, Dickk Morris, MacCaskill etc.. belong???
1. Typical White Person
2. Typical Moron
3. Typical DooDoo head
4. Typical Obamaton
5. Typical Foot-in-the-mouth
6. All of the above
If you picked option 6, you are really spending a lot of time here fighting the right fight
If you couldn’t any fitting option above, you need to pick Hillary, then you will realize and pick 6
If you think all the above options are unfair and want to argue, you probably have a valid argument that you can post on the KOS, Huffingtonpost and other sites

thats your opinion catiger and you are entitled to it… i dont agree LOL just like you dont agree with my opinion on Obama… great country we have even if Obama and his associates dont think so

Yeah Anderson looks lost most of the times…starry-eyed when Obama’s picture comes on his screen and weak-kneed when he is near Obama…I did like his coverage during the Lebanon-Israel problem a while back

Dan Abrams repackaged his show to now what is called “The Verdict.” I guess he actually used to be the GM of MSNBC. His background is in law (so obviously you can’t trust him!).
He has a couple of entertaining segments. “On Their Trail” is a scorecard game of sorts where he and a panel of guests assess statements made by the candidates as “Fair Game”, “Missatement”, “Blunder”, “Cheapshot”, etc. Whomever has the most X’s at the end of the show is the night’s loser. I don’t know the running total, but it’s probably pretty even.
“Beat the Press” pokes fun at all of the folks of the MSM and points out their major gaffes of the day.

CG – it aint propaganda when the source was Cheney claiming he was not part of the executive branch LOL
Julia – there is certainly some scary posts praising Obama btw Tucker is a young repug who was actually saying positive things about Clinton before he got canned by MSNBC – of course he is a McCain supporter

Obama never blocked the redo votes. He continuously stated that he would abide by whatever the DNC decided. That is not the same as blocking votes, even GWB could understand that (if it was written in crayon).
The fake Hillary-supporter-repubs sure are stupid if they think this kind of game-playing is going to help Old, Old, Old, Senile, I can’t tell Suni’s from Shia’s, John McCain win in November.
Personally I can’t wait until he falls asleep in a debate or forgets to wear his Grampers and craps himself on stage.
It’s gonna be a total laugh riot when he tries to debate Obama. Mccain’s senile dementia is really going to make for great skits on SNL. He’s about as astute and quick-witted as a dog turd.

Obama is unelectable now. New poll out is Penn is showing Hilliary with 51% and obama 35%. Obama is nothing but a racist american hating jerk……perhaps Cuba will let him run there.

Chris M
Obama campaign dint want to go with the mail-in vote in MI that was approved by everyone except Obama…..that is why MI is not getting to re-vote…MI wont forget…

where is this poll DC voter where is the source?

I’m so tired of listening to Carl Bernstein on CNN. What a tired old man who is either trying to grab on to the so-called insurgent style of the Obama campaign – perhaps nostalgic for the good old days when he was a young reporter or, more darkly, still unable to move past the enmity of his messy personal life and mixing Hillary Clinton up with his incredibly talented ex wife (he does seem very misogynistic but maybe he’s entitled since he was royally skewered in Ephron’s “roman a clef”.

When even CNN polls show that Hillary is leading, I think it is time for Obama to BE NICE and BE GONE.
I put it politely..hope Obama notices

DCV
It ain’t propaganda to say HRC was a chief enabler of the da war.
There are more than 3 Trillion reasons that back this up.

Ya CG you like that dont you, you old repug you LOL
DNC funds pay to run elections not run campaigns just like RNC funds pay to run elections not McCain’s campaign. Oh let’s not mention McCain has failed to raise much?

CNN still salivating over the (unlikely) possibility of malevolent intent in the breaching of Obama’s passport records. They’re just playing into the desperate strategy being used by Obama to try to “change the channel” from the Wright fiasco. Anderson Cooper and Candie Crowley seem practically orgasmic.

Ya Charles but the candidates were asked for input. She said count them as is or redo the primaries. Obama said he will abide by what is decided even though he preferred caucuses. But lo and behold, he lied again.
She made sure the voters knew she wanted their votes to count. Now it is up to the courts since the appeals court in FL has already heard arguments Monday. The DNC has a chance to make a decision too at their upcoming meeting.

Team Clinton should hire Tucker as a political strategist. And Samantha Power as well.

When Obama accepts a racist hate mongering minister as his good friend and a mentor for 20 years that is his good or bad judgment that he has to live with. But it is despicable for him to rationalize his mentor’s outrageous comments by comparing them whatever his grandmother told him during the private family discussion. It appears that he will do and say anything to get the nomination including not supporting MI, FL do over voting.

And Wright for religious advice….

ok typist, here is all lower case just for you. the passport thing now is just a diversion from the wright issue and let us not forget the endorsement from the new black panther party that was removed from obama’s website.
just imagine america, if obama should miraculously win the nom, think of what the republican slobs will do to him in the advertising before november, and then, the general election. smart people like dc voter, dogsoldier, and wcm know exactly what i am talking about. hang in there hillary! you will win.

Just curious.
How come Pastor Wright does not have to apologize to white people for all his hate speech. How come Pastor Wright and his congregation, including Obama, do not have to apologize to America for all the unpatriotic rhetoric.
Why is it that only whites and the rest need to profusely apologize for remarks that are not even half as hateful.

LOM CNN is showing Clinton ahead in one new one. Go to RCP and click latest polls tab.

Samantha Power is incredibly smart. She had a bad day and got caught. I don’t think she should have had to step down, but now that she is “unemployed” (although she probably is still advising to some degree), the Clinton camp should pick her up! I think she had some role in the Clinton administration at one point, didn’t she? I would google her, but I don’t trust that internet — it’s just never going to take off. :)

When I heard Tucker was canceled, I figured MSNBC decided to totally “come out” and show themselves for just how liberal and biased they truly area. I will have to check out the Abrams show though. I do believe in being fair and can make a decision on my own much to Chris and Keith’s dismay.

DCVoter, I know what your saying about input. It is clear now that she has tried everything to make the votes count. Fl, and MI are now disenfranchised. This is a fact. She was the only candidate fighting for these voters. Let me repeat. Fl and MI are now disenfranchised. How does that sound ? The Democratic Party must now deal with this issue. I would never have thought that this party would silence the votes of 1.6 million voters over a rule, a technicality. I think that’s why you see McCain doing very well now.

DCV
Three Trillion Reason to suspect that HRC ain’t all what she claims.
But she did vote to make Bush da War Pres.
And then, thanks to da cover provided by HRC, Bush gets to do whatever he wanna do, i.e., enforce, interpret AND make da laws.
Everybody knows this. And Hillary had his back From Day One.

This is a real shame. Not having the people of Michigan and Florida vote in these primaries is scandalous. Mr. Obama and friends should be ashamed of themselves for denying us of our rights. What kind of change is that ?

This is a real shame. Not having the people of Michigan and Florida vote in these primaries is scandalous. Mr. Obama and friends should be ashamed of themselves for denying us of our rights. What kind of change is that ?

With all due respect, those of you outside of Michigan please stay out of our politics. We were not disenfranchised; we actually held two primaries and those of us who cared voted. But, EVERYONE here knew the votes didn’t count and WE are not the ones clamoring for a revote or to have our delegates seated. Do you folks who are arguing for a revote understand that the plan put forth for a revote would only allow Democrats who voted in the first Democratic primary, and Republicans/Independents who didn’t vote in the GOP primary, the “right” to vote? Do you think not allowing all Democrats to vote in a Democratic primary is fair? So, thanks for all the support and everything, but please mind your own business; vote in your own primary or caucus and leave the mess WE created to ourselves. And, don’t worry, Michigan’s economy is so bad that it will be a blue state in November no matter who is the nominee for the Democrats.

Many in Obama’s camp are former Clinton people. What a lot of people dont know is, she loaned a lot of people over to him for his Senate run. She campaigned for him and served as his mentor in the Senate. He went to her for advisors also which is how a lot of those people ended up working for him. Only a few of them are disgruntled like Axelrod, Rice, and I forget the other guy’s name. Powers is a foreign policy scholar of Irish descent and has great respect for Clinton for work with women on the Northern Ireland peace accord. I dont think she ever worked for Clinton although she was one of Obama’s advisora back when he became a Senator.

DCVoter,
I’m not seeing any new poll from CNN. Their most recent one on there is from Wednesday. Are you perhaps referring to a different source?

who gives a poop where hillary was with the monica thing…..were YOU married to him?????? that is such old, old news…..get current, let’s deal with what is at hand, a slick-tongue obama with his court of ‘friends’ such as…..rattso, nbpp, farakhan, and wright……yeah, RIGHT!!!!!

Carla Sue…You Go Girl!!!

LOL Sogsoldier – I am certainly “Atypical”…
perhaps all those white people he lives around react negatively to the hatemongering people in his church that voted for him? Anger begets anger.
Anyone else notice Oprah and most of his political surrogates have gone mum?

chris maler – man you are way off base on the facts and way behind on the news – posting lies that have been debunked dont make a very good impression in the convo

“For the life of me, I don’t understand why Senator Obama seems to be afraid of letting there be a re-vote in Michigan, you’ll have to ask him. He comes up with all these legalistic answers, the people of Michigan and their legislature made it very clear that they would proceed with a re-vote, unfortunately, Senator Obama’s campaign said no. Two out of the three of us said yes, you’ll have to ask him what he’s afraid of?”
Why won”t Obama let the people vote?
NOBAMA 08

Way to play HC!!

I voted for Hillary in the primary but will not do so in the general if she does win the nomination…and I use the term win with tounge in cheek…based on what today has brought the 22 lie that has been exposed. She has finally ran me off with the NAFTA lies. She sold us out and down the river and now wants us to believe she won’t do it again if it is advantageous to her or her husband. I also notice the simular actions of she and Mr. Obama in regards to their actions. Mr. Obama stood by his pastor while Hillary stood by her man. One offered views that showed his feelings towards America and one showed total disrespect for the highest office in this land.
So long Hillary, I tried to stand firm but you dug a hole and I fell in.

Who knows what’s going to happen with MI and Fl…it is obvious a mess for various reasons.
Something that is marginally better than a 50/50 split would be a 51/49 split (Clinton/Obama) for both states.
The difference in the pledged delegate count would be almost negligible, it would allow Obama to take the high road in acknowledging that Clinton arguably won the popular vote in both states, Clinton (and the democratic party) should be relieved that MI and FL have representation at the convention and not a penny more would be spent on the issue.
This solution is better than Dodd’s suggestion of 50/50 and could be a win-win for everyone. The superdelegates would be seated this way as well and both candidates can make their respective appeals to them.

Who is Sinbad?,…Is he the new pastor at Obama’s church?
NOBAMA 08

I was at Arlington Cemetery today. Several new burials in progress. Many new sites being prepared. The emotions you feel when you are there are both pride and sadness. I also felt the full breadth of responsibility our Senators must have felt in making such a tough decision to try to protect our country by backing the President’s promise to allow the UN Inspectors to complete their mission. I then felt anger at the violations of our constitution and the lies to the American people and the world that Bush used to invade another country without justification. I am not ashamed to say it still brings tears.
If you have never been I encourage you to go and see the changing of the guards or simply walk the grounds and visit the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. We need our troops home but we cannot leave troops and allies in harm’s way. President Hillary Clinton can bring them home with careful and responsible planning and implementation of the plans drawn by the Join Chiefs of Staff. In doing so, she will set this country on the path to peace and prosperity. She will ensure that we remain committed to our veterans for life. Let’s not let the stupid actions of the DNC, the RNC, and Obama lead to more loss of life and limb.

chris maler – the military personnel who were on the trip debunked that BS… Sinbad is just a comedian cracking a joke… no surprise he supports Obama… but i dont blame you for not knowing… the Obama camp loves to keep you in the dark about real truths

OK Westie. I’ll give you some positive reinforcement.
You actually have a good idea here. The Dean thing makes sense in jeffersonian type of way. Getting the Govt close to you and accountable to You makes sense, but it ain’t simple.
It is hard and takes continual work.

MattOhio,
You are awesome! The guy from Michigan owes you one. We don’t want Michigan to have to take one for the team. I’m re-declaring myself as MichiganMessenger in his honor…
BOYCOTT the DNC for BAD MANAGEMENT
Count ALL the VOTES of ALL Democrats NOW!!

If the superdelegates have to be mindless and vote with the people, then why even have the concept of superdelegates?
Clinton is clearly more experienced. She is not just about “giving speeches”, she DELIVERs. She produces results … She is pragmatic and is a consensus-builder. She is a work horse.
She is intelligent and she does genuinely care about the working class.
I liken Obama to someone who wants to be conferred his PH.D by an insitution without having to do the 8 years of study.
The Oval Office is not a training camp, Obama.

@Brian | Mar 20, 2008 11:45:01 PM:
You’re absolutely right that she knew the rules the entire time which also INCLUDED a path for these states to be seated by:
a. They could hold second nominating contest
b. They can appeal to the DNC’s credentials committee
She is trying to champion the wish of 2.5M voters and give them the voice they have asked for.
Obama has decided to drag his feet rather than bring a real solution to the table. What kind of leadership is that?

Brian-You want to disenfranchise FL and MI, correct? Then perhaps you can explain how Obama will win the general with no caucuses, Samantha Powers, Obama policy adviser, called the Ohio voters stupid for voting Clinton, and giving FL and MI to the republicans even before the general begins. Furthermore, now that Wright has damaged Obama why don’t you explain in detail how Obama will win this thing.

No…he is abiding by the RULES…remember THOSE? Clinton dosen’t. and apparently you don’t either.

LOL Obama FOLLOWED THE RULES and removed his name while Clinton signed the paper to NOT allow those votes to count and now she wants them too? Are you so dense that you can no longer understand reasoning>?????? You sure sound like it…talk about drinking the kool aid…Obama 08

Standing by her man who had 2 affairs that lasted over 12 years and then had 18 other documented affairs and you think that is something to be proud of? It’s called ENABLING hon…and it’s not a healthy way to live.

Other than women who chose the same path or men who have traveled that same path? Helathy people think she chose wrong but most? Think she stayed for this race only. Let her lose and see if she stays LOL

Sorry about the voters in FL and MI but they need to take it up with the people responsible for not following the rules when they KNEW what the price would be. This argument has no place in this race as Clinton is using it for political reasons ONLY and anyopne with a brain? KNOWS THAT.

@WCM: Exactly right. There were a lot of Democrats here though who voted in the GOP primary who wouldn’t be able to participate in the revote the way they were planning it. The 50-50 is crap, you are right. I think the best reason to avoid the revote, though, is that both campaigns would spend millions and end up in a draw (my guess is Clinton would win if only Democrats voted, but not by more than 10 points). So save time and money; here’s an idea, both camps can donate the 20 million or whatever they would spend here and that money could go to find jobs for people or provide some health insurance or something better than TV/radio ads.

The AMERICAN PEOPLE deserve to have their votes counted no matter who you support!!

WRONG there was NO PATH offered for the votes. Peridod. Check it out as I HAVE. It clearly stated they would NOT be counted if they held the primary early and ALL candidates agreed. Those are the facts though Clinton has been lying about them. Check out the papers they signed, they are on the net.

Yesterday Obama gave a damage control speech about his hate mongering spiritual adviser. Today Obama had to do damage of damage control for throwing his grandmother under the bus during yesterday’s damage control speech. Tomorrow he will have to do damage control of damage control of damage control for calling his grandmother a “typical white person.” Wow. Who knew?

brian, no offense, but 18 other ‘documented’ affairs? oh well, i wasn’t married to him, but i tell you what, when he was prez, this country was in a surplus, everyone had a ‘dollar to their name’ and this country was proud as ever……unlike michelle who claims to be for the first time in her life…..it is going to take hillary, a person of experience to clean up the white house after this bush as bill did after the first bush…..

Someone, anyone, I want to piggyback on Donna’s question with; Weren’t there other states that changed their primary? Why is DEAN wanting to punish ANY voters eager to vote? How could you enforce these rules and yet allow Nancy Pelosi to speak against pre-planned SD rules? Maybe DEAN should clear up the rules by hitting all of the news outlets in order to clear things up.

Brian — FL and MI have a way of being seated, according to the DNC rules. There is a path that these two states can take to be seated.
To be compliant with party rules:
a. They could hold second nominating contests
b. They can appeal to the DNC’s credentials committee

The DNC did not make the choice to waste your vote you pinhead LOL The people YOU helped elect did. THEY knew the cost.

Hillary signed papers saying she would not support Florida and Michigan if they broke the DNC rules.
On New Hampshire Public Radio, she even said these votes would not count.
I doubt if Hillary wants every future lawyer to be taught about Hillary pleading temporary insanity when she did these acts.
Hillary, you did not care about the voters in these states last year. If you were winning, we know you would never care about the voters in these states.

Not FL and MI. IF they are allowed to vote now? The next election will be a nightmare and that is the price you guys have to pay now. Public opinion is not with you on this one. Only the people who support Hillary WHO AGREED TO NOT LET YOUR VOTES COUNT..and her minions.

Brian – the signed agreement was to not campaign… it had nothing to do with names on the ballot and nothing to do with whether they agreed with the DNC about not counting the votes… in fact both candidate said they expected the delegates to be seated at the convention… both said they would work hard to ensure every vote counted
as for “all the voters in MI revoting” you reap what you sow… peeps who intentionally declared themselves republicans to try to “fix” the republican primary by voting for Romney per KOS dont deserve to vote again… they are as bad as the reps who crossover into the dem primaries to try to “fix” their elections

Let’s not forget the Republican Governor,..At this point with the race so close,..
The AMERICAN PEOPLE deserve to have their votes counted no matter who you support!!

The Primary race has to be conducted in a manner that is orderly and the powers that be in MI and FL decided to use your votes as a chip they were willing to bet. Get them out of office but do not blame someone who abided by the rules as Obama did. Heck he wasn’t even on the ballot in MI and Hillary thinks that is fair? I guess based on how she thinks it would be…NAFTA..lie to Ohio about it and then when it comes out? ignore it…..vote to not let the FL and MI votes count but when I get behind? Scream like a baby.

DCvoter I am still waiting for a source for the debunking of the salon article about hillary’s bosnia trip

To what end? Too late to conduct a revote now and no way will the DNC allow the vote to stand. I would be all for a fair split but that would be all. No one is going to let it stand. Not the rules comm. or the DNC and Hillary won’t let them split the vote LOL SHE would rather you guys not be counted before she would do that!

Ah, I see you’re taking your cue right from the Obama playbook. Say something erroneous and then come back AFTERWARD to say what you really meant. Of course.

He purchased NOTHING in FL. His National ads ran everywhere. Nothing was purchased in FL. Actually the facts speak for theirself. HILLARY held 3 fund raisers and one party the night of the election. Those are the facts. Next time you might want to make sure your not dealing with adults before you come on a blog and lie.

Brian you apparently dont know what NAFTA is and are not comprehending the details. That is ok.. I dont blame you the student, I blame Obama the teacher.
FL voters were disenfranchised by the republican legislature who refused to use the date submitted by the FL state democratic party… this is well documented online… look it up… the DNC removing the delegates are violating the constitutional rights of FL voters and the federal appeals court heard arguments Monday. They expect to rule in the next month.
BOYCOTT THE DNC UNTIL THE DELEGATES ARE SEATED!!!!!!
For MI, I expect a similar case to be filed. The delegates can vote on the floor at the convention once the court orders them seated. The 40% that Clinton was willing to give Obama can now be free to vote how they want.

Obama did not purchase ads in Florida. His National ads ran everywhere.

Obama’s campaign played dumb,…

I just don’t understand how anybody who is American could ever not want votes to be counted,..there is no argument for it. It is the most un-American thing I could imagine!
The AMERICAN PEOPLE deserve to have their votes counted no matter who you support!!

THE CLINTON CAMPAIGN WAS ASKING OBAMA TO
PRESENT A COUNTERPROPOSAL.
But they were already told their objections:
- the Democrats which voted in January at the GOP primary barred from voting now
- closed primary instead of open.
- the prohibition for eirst time voters (mainly students) to vote by proxy, inspite the fact that in June many are out of state on vacations.
Of course, the proposal DISENFRANCHISED
(??) these 3 voters group, by sheer coincidence (!?)mainly GOP supporters!!
SO WHY CLINTON WAS ASKING OBAMA TO PRESENT A COUNTERPROPOSAL ?? SIMPLY AMMENDING HER OWN BY ELIMINATING ABOVE RESTRICTION WOULD DO THE TASK !!
CAMINITO

Call me a “Typical white person” but I believe,….
The AMERICAN PEOPLE deserve to have their votes counted no matter who you support!!

I don’t understand NAFTA? LOLOLOL I Understand that CLINTON lied about it…beyound that ? No one should care when it comes to who they vote for! Apparently you don’t have the intelligence to understand the basic concept of liars…how sad perhaps you need a teacher?

Some of you saying, “Too bad, FL or MI…”, think of this… imagine that your state’s election-results don’t count; that after taking the time to learn about the candidates, you go out to vote in the hopes that, although your state was disqualified, the vote would likely be accepted by the DNC later (this was the general assumption in FL)… then imagine that the candidate you support wins big… but the results from your state is never accepted and plans for a re-vote are continually frustrated and opposed by the other candidate… Wouldn’t you be angry? Polls show that one in four democrat in FL will not vote democratic if their primary’s vote is not counted. FL and MI are two key, swing state and disqualifying their primary elections (or not allowing a re-vote) could really have a negative impact for democrats in the general elections!

my heart goes out to the people of florida and michigan. just look at the number of jobs lost or sent overseas or to mexico because of that creep we have had in the white house for the last 8 years……everyone must be heard, everyone must be accounted for….especially in states like michigan, where the jobs have all but been lost, and in florida, all where the houses have all but been lost…we are on the verge… let these people be heard.

Brian – buying national to get ads shown in SC is being questioned by the experts – either he made a stupid inefficient executive decision to buy very expensive air time for what was supposed to be a targeted state OR he was just using a legal way to get around the rules and campaign in FL – either way it looks bad on Obama… end result? his ads ran in FL… Clinton did not run ads in FL… the FL vote turnout was twice what it was in 2004… end analysis? the voters will was cast and Obama lost big… the court will decide that one

i would like to know why oprah and the out-spoken supers for obama are so quiet lately?

chris maler – oh i thought you were actually keeping up with the campaign… video was probably monday st patty’s day … press conference… 3/17/08 Clinton vs. Sinbad on Bosnia

“The latest Gallup Poll Daily tracking shows Hillary Clinton with a five percentage point lead over Barack Obama in national Democratic voters’ nomination preferences, 48% to 43%.
This marks the second consecutive day of Gallup Poll Daily tracking showing Clinton with a statistically significant lead over Obama”

MIguy and everyone, do we still have the right to write in our votes? if we are not happy with who is on the ballot in november, i will let my pen run out of ink before i let obama or mccain get in the white house.

Yep MIGuy that is what they do in VA but you just identified how they know which primary you vote in… but it is the law that prohibits voting in both primaries not the parties… no one can vote in both primaries in any state… but if the courts rule properly… the MI delegates will be seated with clinton’s delegates and 40% uncomitted… then those uncommitted who represent all those who did not vote for Clinton can cast for you at the convention… take it to the floor where it counts!!!!! You can get active and oust all those in MI responsible later
BOYCOTT THE DNC!!!

@carla sue: I think it’s great that you are passionate, as are so many others here, about their candidate. It’s great that people care. I think that it really doesn’t matter whether Obama or Clinton wins the nomination at this point. They each have such a loyal following that they will have a powerful voice no matter if they are in the White House or Senate. In my opinion, a Senator is more powerful in the long run than any term-limited President.

That’s right Dogsoldier,….Speak the truth brother!!
Call me a “Typical white person” but I believe,….
The AMERICAN PEOPLE deserve to have their votes counted no matter who you support!!

thanks dc and MIguy. i AM very passionate for hillary to win the election….many reasons. i am a middle class, single, white hard-working american woman that lives check to check. my own job here in missouri was on the brink of moving to mexico, where they pay them 3.25 an hour, that includes wages AND benefits. and that means very little benefits. i used to like obama, but i have always supported and voted for hillary. i said early in this contest that if obama wins, i will support him. i won’t anymore, not after the last two weeks of finally being faced with the truth.
we need our jobs to stay here in america. we need health care for everyone. we need national security….as we all as human beings have the need to feel ‘safe.’ i don’t believe at this point obama can do that for us. i believe hillary can.

MIguy-In MI I think the big three need to redesign and retool to meet the needs of the 21st century. Plus they have to demand a level playing field with Japan. Furthermore, the big three need to sit down with government and come up with an agreement to manage the health care issue not just for the auto industry but for Americans as well. The auto industry cannot compete without the health issue being resolved. Then we need to get green jobs going in the state in the first year of a new administration.

@carla sue: I respect your opinion. In my view they are all politicians. Senators Clinton and Obama are very close on the issues. I don’t know how we’ll pay for universal health care when we can’t afford Medicare, but I think we have to try to figure something out and I’m not hearing McCain talk about how to fix healthcare. Somebody needs to do something in Washington and the endless fighting over nonsense needs to stop. If it is Senator Clinton, then more power to her. If it’s Obama or McCain, then I wish them the same. But four more years of morass is something none of us is for. Whoever wins, they just need to work with the other party and get something done.

@Dogsoldier: Agreed. Although the level playing field in Japan’s markets would help, Toyota/Honda/et (and now the German companies) are really tooling to make cars in the U.S. – I wonder how they get around the healthcare issue? My understanding is that one reason the the foreign companies are coming is that the dollar is so weak that pretty soon their cars will be unaffordable here!

MIguy, thanks, but let’s do all we can to keep mccain out of the white house. he will have this war lasting forever, and that will mean more lives, jobs and futures lost for us all.
everyone here can best believe that i will be on the phone lines with the dnc starting next week (after easter) and letting them know what i think. i just hope to get the opportunity to speak with mr. dean himself. this entire country’s voice counts and that includes michigan and florida.

Quoting out of context is not helpful. I can post quotes of Obama saying the same sort of thing. The difference is, as she stated in her speech, she agreed not to campaign in MI and FL but did not agree with the DNC decision to not seat the delegates. She left her name on the ballot for that reason because every vote should count. Obama is not telling people he tried to remove his name in FL but the FL rules would not allow it. Shortly after, he did the national ad buy in question.

@carla sue: One thing is clear, next year President Bush is out. No matter what happens, I hope we are all not so embittered that we have four more years of stalemate.

DCVoter — The new Fox News polls today are very interesting as well. The conservative leaning right media outlet has Senator Clinton beating Senator McCain by 3 percentage points (!!), but Senator Obama trails Senator McCain by 1 pp.

DCVoter — One more thing about the latest polls…what happened to Missouri for Obama? Ouch! Hmmm, buyer’s remorse?

DCVoter said: “She left her name on the ballot for that reason because every vote should count.”
Sorry, but that’s not exactly true. Here’s the rest of her quote:
“But I just personally did not want to set up a situation where the Republicans are going to be campaigning between now and whenever, and then after the nomination, we have to go in and repair the damage to be ready to win Michigan in 2008.”
See. She was just thinking about the general . . . she ASSUMED she was gonna be the easy nominee. In fact, there’s a quote of her saying something like, “Starting with Iowa and New Hampshire, we’re going to work hard this whole campaign, right up to Super Tuesday.” In other words, she ARROGANTLY assumed that, after Super Tuesday, she’d be crowned. Not too bright, I’m sure even she would admit.

LOM – I think the disparities in the red states also indicate some changes for Obama… this can be extrapolated for other states not polled or for indies not participating in primaries possibly

ratmach – i disagree, i see her as speaking from the party perspective not her campaign… but then i have faith in her, i have followed her career… and have seen her faith in the party… she is a staunch democrat… i was referring to her speech in MI this week.. you can watch the video of it here on the ABC site

Yes, there is a GINORMOUS (I know, not a real word, but the statement above deserves an equally ridiculous response) correlation between an evening dinner with Rev. Wright and a 20 year commitment sitting in the pews listening to a man considered to be Senator Obama’s mentor. Yes, completely the same.
Since someone had the audacity to bring this up, however, check out the op-ed just out titled ‘The Speech: A Brilliant Fraud’ at the washingtonpost dot com.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/20/AR2008032003017.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

yes, we will make our voices heard by getting on the phones/faxes. just a fyi for all of my hillary/staunch-democratic friends out there. go to:
http://www.955klos.com and click on radio air personality jim ladd. perfect illustration/demonstration of how flooding phone lines REALLY WORK!!!!

LOM,..great article. Wow he nailed it!!

DC voter what that photo says is despite Wrights views the Clintons still invited him to the Whitehouse. He was already displaying the same rhetoric that he displays now. Apparently since Bill was going through the monica situation they didn’t care. They wanted all the support they could get. You know its funny how Clinton supporters always say the same people they attack Obama for holds no bearing when it comes to the Clintons. It’s always just a photo. Wrong it was a private dinner of handpicked clerics. Thought was put into who attended that dinner. The Clintons wanted his support as well as all the others in attendance. But it was ok to support them in their trying times but shame on Obama. Get real.

randle bate,
hillary is nothing but first class. obama is the one with low class and mccain has no class and bush is all a@#…

TO all the Obamatons:
We feel your pain. We know you are upset and undertandably so. You have been mislead by a man who is not who he professes to be. Mislead by a man who embraces black separatism which is classified as a hate group activity alongside white supremacy. Fret not! The Clinton camp welcomes all races, all genders, and all cultures not filled with hate for America. Together we can left each other up and walk the path as one to the White House.

We don’t need Bill back in the White House. I heard it took Laura Bush over six months to get the stench out. Let the Ex-con stay in New York. He entered the White House as a broke hillbilly, now he’s a multi-millionaire; so is Hillary. Now they want more power and Bill wants more interns.

MIguy — You’re now my new favorite poster. You found a way to bring the Smashing Pumpkins into the fold!
You’re not an idiot and good for you for standing up when you sensed something was not right. Common sense, really.

@carla sue: If Senator Obama did as you asked, Senator Clinton would have to disavow his support by the same ‘guilt-by-association’ tactic the Republicans will use. At some point, one of them is going to need an “Al Gore Moment” and stop the bleeding. Senator Obama won’t do it while he is leading and Senator Clinton won’t do it while she still thinks she has a chance.

Clinton is really getting frantic. She has told about every lie she can think of and still doesn’t have enough votes. Forgot she said the votes in Michigan “won’t count for anything.” Now she wants them to count. She is not two-faced though, maybe six on seven faced. Speaking of faces, have you seen hers lately? Really scary.

randle, what planet did you come from to post a blog like that….this is supposed to be about intelligent conversation and politics. yes we have our personal views and sometimes lol remarks, but this is downright crude. who did you ‘i heard’ it from anyway about what laura bush said. if you can’t remember who you ‘i heard’ it from….and tell us….then you have ‘i heard’ disease….

At least Bill didn’t have “A wide stance”,…

All you simple minded people screaming boycott like a bunch of B#T&H*s. That doesn’t hurt are scare anyone. Regardless what you do Hillary has lost. If Obama loses to McCain fair and square in the General then oh well but voters aren’t going to let Hillary steal the nomination. She lost already so get over it. If the roles were reversed Obama would have accepted it. Then you keep screaming buyers remorse. Buyers remorse was proven when Hillary lost 11 straight. And for those that say they’ll vote for McCain go ahead. You act like you live in a different country. Anything he dishes out you will have to deal with just as well. All that I’m going to vote McCain stuff like you scaring somebody. Grow up

MIguy…..thanks, i really think that if obama would concede now, hillary would re-unite the party/parties by moving forward. ‘guilty by association’ is one thing. guilty by direction, as obama has lived by the guidance of the rev. wright is another. we have all in our lifetimes met ‘lower walks-of-life’ if you will, past criminals, etc., but to remain true to them for a number of years is a whole different scenario. it is one thing to meet someone and know of them, it is another to know someone and live by them.

MIguy: There are several clips of Rev. Wright around the web. I mean clips that show not only his infamous words that we’ve been seeing 24/7, but a whole lot more…. and IN CONTEXT. The guy gets a little excited, and sometimes says outrageous things, but the rest of the time the stuff he says is pretty much RIGHT ON THE MARK as far as politics/history goes. Did you know that in the “GD America” sermon, he says a LOT of accurate (and I would say MORAL) things? In that same sermon, he even praises Bill Clinton and blasts George W. Bush!

common sense, you have none……

MIGuy – do we really want a President that chooses to continue to expose his children to hate speech and black separatism and sedition? Is that the judgment you admire? How can we be sure those influences in his life do not lead to his supporting Hezbollah and Hamas like the man his church honors as a great leader?

Obama, I might be another “typical white person”, but if you’re the nominee I will never vote for you in November for denying the people of Florida and Michigan their right to be counted. Are you opposed to a revote because you are so afraid that Hillary is going to trounce you again in Florida and Michigan? You’re trying to disrupt our democracy. You’re not a
unifier, you’re an ambitious impostor.

randle, doesn’t mean he ranted and raved about hating america and white people and blaming someone else or some other race for the past. by meeting people, and experiencing what they are and what they stand for, do we learn to stand by them or seperate ourselves. oprah separated herself from the great rev. wright years ago. so did bill clinton. get a clue.

CarlaSue: Before you call Jeremiah Wright a ‘lower walk-of-life’, you oughta spend a few minutes watching more of his sermons. You’ve seen, what, maybe 2 minutes of the stuff the guy has said his whole life? Well, I’ve just watched about 2 hours of parts of several of his sermons, and believe me, the guy is ANYTHING but a “lower walk-of-life’. In fact, after watching them, and reading about some of the charity work Wright has done over the years, I can TOTALLY understand why Barack Obama has stuck with him. If you’re gonna take the “true measure of the man” . . . then on balance, Jeremiah Wright appears to be a GOOD man! (BTW, I’m a white, middle-aged, middle-class man.)

G’night folks. Thanks for the lively discussion.

all, as far as trysts, extra-marital affairs, whatever encounters anyone has male or female, what counts is what they do in office, as long as we are not their spouse or partner, who cares. this type of activity goes back to the beginning of time as does human nature and needs. what we need to focus on is leadership and the ability to be commander-in-chief. what goes on behind closed doors in the bedroom is no one else’s business. what goes on in the oval office is everyone’s business.

ratmatch:
I read you post and I admire you for your intelligence and insight. If everyone was judged by a few sentences they said out of their entire lifetime we would all look like idiots. I’m sure you know that those who do choose predicate their judgment on a few words out of a lifetime of work are prejudiced or ignorant.

carla,
“what goes on in the oval office is everyone’s business.”
i tend to agree, however, i believe there was a monica moment in the oval office. yikes.

randle, maybe ratmach is a nice guy, or whatever……but let us not forget about imus and obama’s call for termination immediately after for just three words. as far as the rev. wright is concerned, this type of controvercial rehtoric has been going on for years. obama even admitted that himself. i see a lot of hypocrocy here. a lot of double standard. and most of all hillary is handling all of this with class and poise……

If the DNC does not allow a revote in Michigan and Florida, I will vote for McCain! Now,after Pastorgate, Obama wants to wrap himself in the flag. Thanks ABC for reporting on Pastorgate! CNN,MSNBC and others will try to sweep this scandal under the carpet!

carla sue:
I would like to take the opinion you have of Hillary as being accurate. I have, however, seen how she has bent the truth in so many situation that she no longer has any credibility with me: Her 35 years of experience; her opposition to NAFTA from the beginning, her refusal to say Obama was not a Muslim, instead of: as far as I know, to name just a few. There are way to many instances of her devious character for me to find any sincerity; I see nothing but guile and a readyness to bend to bend the truth or outright lie in order to reach her goal.

Let’s put that last statement into perspective. Senator Clinton and her husband are some of the richest people in the world. She could certainly choose to not put up with all the grief the public, this race, and the RNC give her. She does what she does because it is her life’s work. She has accomplished all that she has IN SPITE OF Bill, not because of him. She is not just about change, she can deliver solutions with measured response. Process improvements must happen incrementally if we are to measure their success or failure. Blanket change for the sake of change can be unpredictable with tragic results… we know that all too harsh reality. Unity for the sake of unity based on just words wont help us get there either… we have been trying that since the civil war. Clinton’s plans include unity through common causes and solutions that matter to all of us. She is a true humanitarian and our next President of the United States. She wants this election to be about us… we can lift each other up and walk together to the White House.

hi randle. thanks. i have been following this thing for a long time, and i will say hillary is going to fix nafta. it was a mistake from the start. hillary is going to fix the war. it was a mistake from the start. we all make mistakes. in the california debate, you can hear obama say ‘i need people in my administration who can stand up and be strong….as i may not always be right’……that said a lot there. that is when he won my respect anyway even tho i still vote for hillary. but after the last couple of weeks i am disappointed at his choice for guidance as far as religion is concerned. it is borderline if not hate. i am voting for the democrat with experience……with diplomats, foreign leaders, economics, educational, health care, children, and adult baby boomers with approaching health care situations and social security. obama is not there. hillary is.

If you judge Obama and not his pastor, then why cant you judge Clinton and not her husband?
If you want the rules of the party to be followed, then why do you criticise Clinton for encouraging the legal revotes proposed?
If rules are rules, then why does Obama object to superdelegates casting their vote according to the rules?
If Obama tells you he wants to rise above old politics, why does he spend 700K to buy the votes of superdelegates?
If you think Clinton is not honest, then how can you not apply the same scrutiny to a man who just admitted in his speech he has been lying for over a year about Wright’s sermons and his relationship with him?
the list goes on and on…
We the voters should not be hypocrits in how we judge the candidates should we?
OH!!!!!!
Before I forget…
LET THE DNC KNOW YOU WANT THE DELEGATES SEATED!!!!!!

obama cannot possibly win in November with his hypocrisy and history

by the way, obama did air advertisements in florida, even though it was against the rules…..of course, he finagled his way around the rules because the ads were national, not local…..another example that he knows his way around politican loopholes to benefit his “character”…..

There is no law that says she has to release her returns until after being elected President. She offered to release them April 15 or so because she has nothing to hide. Her financial disclosures have been available to the public for many many years. You can look at it yourself. When people are that wealthy with a joint return, it takes a while for the tax folks to divide things up that are related to the candidate. Why hasnt Obama released more than just one year of his? Why is he hiding the year that he bought the house? Why is he hiding a schedule and earmarks for 6 of the 8 years as state senator when he worked so closely with Rezko? Transparency works both ways. I dont think there will be any information that will be daming for Clinton… after all the RNC has been after her for 29 years now and she has always beaten them, even after 40 mill of our taxdollars were wasted… I do think the Obama returns and schedules will reveal serious questions in need of serious answers. He has shown a pattern of revealing only what he has to when he gets caught by the media.

Why are we angry? Well,(if you don’t live in FL or MI)… Imagine that your state’s election-results don’t count; that after taking the time to learn about the candidates, you go out to vote in the hopes that, although your state was disqualified, the vote would likely be accepted by the DNC later (this was the general assumption in FL)… then imagine that the candidate you support wins big… but the results from your state are never accepted and plans for a re-vote are continually frustrated and opposed by the other candidate… Wouldn’t you be angry? Polls show that one in four Democrat in FL will not vote Democratic if their primary’s vote is not counted. FL and MI are two key, swing states and disqualifying their primary elections (or not allowing a re-vote) could really have a negative impact for Democrats in the general elections!

i agree with the common sense knowledge that either obama or Senator Clinton (who is the best candidate for the best interests of our children, our troops and America) would EASILY be better Presidents than mccain……however, denying Floridians and Michiganers(?) their voice will only anger them, and when people are really p1ssed off at someone, they might tend not to vote for that someone’s benefit

DCvoter,
If you want to half way appear credible in your assertions, you may want to answer Charles’ questions before you continue with your yet to be substantiated accusations of Mr. Obama. Obviously you have as ax to grind because your vote didn’t count in DC.
Those of you who are still harping about the MI and FL votes, get a over it. Rules are rules and can’t be tailored to fit a losing candidate. Such is a democratic system that is run by the rule of law. Just out of curiosity, why didn’t you worry about the “dis-enfranchised” voter of the two states when the decision to not-count their votes was made before the primaries and with the agreement of “will-do-n-say-anything-to-be-nominated”.
It’s amazing how some people can loose their God-given common sense when faced with challenges! That’s what HRC and her supporters are doing.

christa, obviously you have just gotten on this blog, you haven’t read all the other posts by people with legitimate political concerns.
obama is the ‘i will say do anything at this point to be nominated candidate’ because he finally got caught after 20 years of hanging out with a socio-pathic freak who wants to call himself a minister. minister of what…..the devil himself. obama reeks now of nothing but hypocrocy, and i used to respect him. i don’t anymore. he spins and flips way too much for me, i don’t car ewhat color he is. go hillary

LAguy, you are so right. i’ve never voted for a repub before (and i’ve been voting for almost 40 years), but this year it’s hillary or mccain. i am very appreciative that the repubs didn’t pick someone atrocious (cue the screaming obamaites here).
i think this whole mess is the fault of obama, dean, and pelosi, with assistance from kennedy and kerry, among others. i hope they all lose their jobs.
anyway, fl and mi had votes, regardless of whether the obamaites accept that (cue more screaming about rules, etc.). either seat the delegates based on those votes or have redo primaries. obama doesn’t want either, because fl and mi don’t want him. so we go to the supers and the convention.
either obama wins the nomination and we have president mccain or hillary wins the nomination and she’s the president. in many ways, the choice is in the hands of the obamaites. they think they have a choice of their guy being president, but that’s not going to happen. “typical white people” recognize prejudice against them when they hear it. and there are many millions of these “typical white people.”

things are slowing down on the blog. am going to call it a nite. everyone thanks for the participation and don’t forget to call the dnc starting next week. flood the phone lines. i will be back tomorrow nite to remind all of you and chat again with my friends, dc, MIguy, wcm, mattinohio, obama….yikes, and the rest of the go hillary gang. till then, take care, and god bless the great us of a.

I FULLY agree with Carla Sue!
Wish SOMEONE would ask DR DEAN (Chairman of the DNC) – HOW he can call himself CHAIRMAN – when he has not even overseen (properly) – the vote status of MI and FL! (And furthermore, Pelosi has NO business – commenting about the MI & FL vote, our CHAIRMAN is supposed to have that job.)!! HOW can he logically (and FAIRLY – consider it is RIGHT and JUST to adhere to what HE considers his ABSOLUTE RULES – for State-count – when the DEM. party was NOT to blame for the FL Primary date to have been moved up – It was theREP POWER Congress there – who had swung that manipulative date plan — and they SURE were successful – at disrupting our stupid campaign, and Primary, huh! Since when is a DEAN ‘rule’ more important and overriding THOUSANDS of disinfranchised voters in those 2 state’s primaries?!! This is a TERRIBLE embarressment to our country – to portray to the world that these American voters had their Constitutional right of VOTING taken away — It is SOOO obvious, that Obama’s Camp is ‘stalling’ to ‘run-out-the-clock’ – as he KNOWS that Hillary rightfully – has recieved the majority of the delegates – in the strong, large, important states. SHE is CERTAINLY the ONLY one who can logically – “go up against McCain” – right now, with his strength zeroing in on Security – PLUS the fact that Obama Just arrogantly – ‘threw his OWN’ candidacy away – by refusing to ‘disown’ his ‘pastor’ (NOT his family member, as he was ‘comparing him to….)! — If he is TRULY running for Pres. — he should be ready to give his ALL – including his pride – and especially a so-called, long-time friend – when he would be OBVIOUSLY devisive in his run for the Presidency!!) If HE gets to STEAL this Candidacy in being our Party’s candidate — McCain will win!! SIMPLE as that!!!!!!

Just giving you HRC a good night news!
“By BARRY MASSEY Associated Press Writer
SANTA FE, N.M. Mar 21, 2008 (AP)
New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, the nation’s only Hispanic governor, is endorsing Sen. Barack Obama for president, calling him a “once-in-a- lifetime leader” who can unite the nation and restore America’s international leadership.’
I am sure Senator Clinton will consider this a a win. Right! My feeling is that HRC 30 years old dirty tricks are finally backfiring and the reasonable and fair delegates will silence their conscience for political reasons. I also and confident the American people is capable of discerning right form wrong and honorable from dishonorable.

Juli An – read his Civil Rights Plan. Big whop… nothing radically different here. Comments:
“Strengthen Civil Rights Enforcement” – OK fine.
“Combat Employment Discrimination – Obama will work to overturn the Supreme Court’s recent ruling that curtails racial minorities’ and women’s ability to challenge pay discrimination” – how exactly will he overturn Supreme Court rulings… I find it disturbing to think that a Constitutional Lawyer thinks that he can by fiat overturn a judicial ruling from the executive branch… this is like Huckabee’s plan of replacing the Constitution with the Bible.
“Expand Hate Crime Status” – basically hate crimes are thought crimes… why not punish bad people for doing bad things. Is it more heinous to kill a man because you think he has bad breath or because he is Asian, Black, or Gay? Is one worse than another… let’s get past race and all the other isms and punish people for criminal actions NOT thoughts.
“End Deceptive Voting Practices” – vague at best, merely hints at the 2000 fiasco. Where is his sense of voter empowerment with Michigan and Florida?
“End Racial Profiling” – so he wants to hamper local law enforcement now? Would you rather an innocent person is inconvenienced at an airport who has the profile of a terrorist – or for the sake of political correctness some bomber boards the plane unstopped because we ought to look past those things.
“Reduce Crime Recidivism by Providing Ex-Offender Support” – fine with me
“Eliminate Sentencing Disparities” – this has already been addressed by the Supreme Court in Kimbrough v. US . Funny, I thought he was a Constitutional Professor?
“Expand Use of Drug Courts” – fine with me.
OK… I’ve seen it and I’m not impressed. Where is his grand vision? He would be the first black president in history. Where is that urgent sense of now that he keeps harping about? I, at least, would think he would enter into a dialogue to address race in this country… but every time he has that opportunity, he says, “it’s not about race.”

hahaha, all you Hillary fans can scream all you want but unfortunately whether she takes it to the floor or not is not her PEROGATIVE, she doesn’t have the power. I know you people realise you are DOOMED AND WILL LOSE!! it’s a fact you are waking up slowly, hahhahahaha,
O’TRAIN about to move all aboard please.
You can vote for McSame for all you want, one thing is Hillary the greatest LIAR is done, Say hello to President OBAMA, you can choose to immigrate to IRAQ for all we care
OBAMA 08

Call me “A typical White person” but I say,..
Every American deserves to have their vot counted no matter who you support!!
NOBAM 08

IF OBAMA IS GOING TO BE FOR THE DEMOCRAT. I GOING TO VOTE FOR MC CAIN.

Howard Dean and the National Democratic Party are responsible for this incredible debacle with two of the most important states in a general election, and they better find a way to resolve this conflict, aside from dividing the delegates equally between Clinton and Obama. Pundits and superdelegates say it would be terrible to overturn the pledged delegate vote. Well, it would be terrible to overturn the outcome of the Michigan and Florida primaries by an equal division of delegates that does not reflect the actual results. The short-sighted Dean has totally bungled what was sure to be a year for the Democrats. Unfortunately, he and the Democratic Party have handed the election to John McCain!!!

Obama needs to gently pull out of the race, there is no way he can win a general election. That judgment thing and change thing he has been running on has been totally debunked.

When you agree to play on the rules, than follow the rules, do not blame – agreed, you also was a ruler.
If you drive on Red, you should get the ticket, not a bonus check, right.
Florida and Michigan new, what would be the result. Do not expect the check than.
There is the way to sit deputies: according to final proportion between candidates.
Easy, cheap , respectable and reasonable. You want to sit – GET IT, get it the way this country runs.

I totally agree, In life we must play by the rules except the Clinton are use to bending the rules. Speaking of the Clinton Hillary raised to much money why do she have over 10 million dollars in unpaid bills.
Have you seen Hillary lately and than look at Monica Lewinsky? and you ask Bill Clinton why did he cheat?
Bill Clinton had permission from Hillary and she said it was Okay…..

Richardson, one of the best politicians around, brilliant governor, in the camps of both Independents, Republicans and not to mention (obviously) Democrats, endorses Obama. WOW