By Jennifer Parker

Mar 27, 2008 4:43pm

MoveOn.org v. the Clinton Fat Cats

The MoveOn.org Political Action Team is writing to MoveOn members, asking them to join Team Pelosi in her fight against the Clinton Fat Cats. (There’s a children’s book in that sentence somewhere.)

Says the MoveOn.org letter: "This is pretty outrageous: a group of Clinton-supporting big Democratic donors are threatening to stop supporting Democrats in Congress because Nancy Pelosi said that the people, not the superdelegates, should decide the Presidential nomination…It’s the worst kind of insider politics—billionaires bullying our elected leaders into ignoring the will of the voters.

They’re suggesting a petition for members "to tell Nancy Pelosi that if she keeps standing up for regular Americans, thousands of us will have her back. And we can more than match whatever the CEOs and billionaires refuse to contribute. …They’re the old guard, and this is how the Democratic Party used to function—the big donors called the shots. But the small donor revolution has changed that."

Really, this letter in so many ways seems clumsy. Why allude to how much money they give the Democratic party? Do they think Pelosi wouldn’t know?

Moreover, every one of those donors could have picked up a phone and called Pelosi (and Harry Reid!) and likely had more of an impact without anyone finding out about it.  Now the netroots are all atwitter.

- jpt

User Comments

Well, no more computer for ME today!
Not only did MoveOn have no business “endorsing” Obama in the first place, they sure didn’t poll anybody before offering to protect mob princess Pelosi. Here’s hoping that Cindy Sheehan cleans Pelosi’s clock, and that the MoveOn “membership” gets enough of a grip on itself to mutiny.

Posted by: Navarro | March 27, 2008, 4:53 pm 4:53 pm

I think you will see that this is true — all those small donors who gave to Obama are now waiting to see who is the nominee — I know I am one of them.

Posted by: Paulet | March 27, 2008, 4:53 pm 4:53 pm

MYTH: For Hillary to win, super delegates must “overturn the will of the people.”
FACT: The race is virtually tied, the “will of the people” is split, and both candidates need super delegates to win.
The Obama campaign and Sen. Obama’s surrogates have engaged in a sustained public relations effort to convince people that the election is over and that if super delegates perform their established role of choosing a candidate who they believe will make the best nominee and president, they are somehow “overturning the will of the people.” They have the audacity to make this argument while quietly and systematically courting those very same super delegates. They are courting them because they know that Sen. Obama needs super delegates to win. The Obama spin is being parroted daily by pundits, but it is patently false. The race is virtually tied; the “will of the people” is split. By virtually every measure, Hillary and Sen. Obama are neck and neck — separated by less than 130 of the more than 3,100 delegates committed thus far and less than 1% of the 27 million+ votes cast, including Florida and Michigan. Less than 1%.
An incremental advantage for one candidate or the other is hardly a reason for super delegates to change the rules mid-game. Despite the Obama campaign’s aggressive spin and pressure, the RULES require super delegates to exercise their best independent judgment, and that is what they will do. Even Sen. Obama’s top strategist agrees they should. If not, then why don’t prominent Obama endorsers like Senators Kerry (MA) and Kennedy (MA), and Governors Patrick (MA), Napolitano (AZ) and Richardson (NM) follow the will of their constituents and switch their support to Hillary? After all, she won their states. And if this is truly about the “will of the people,” then Sen. Obama’s short-sighted tactic to run out the clock on a revote in Florida and Michigan accomplishes exactly two things: it disenfranchises Florida and Michigan’s voters; and it hurts Democrats in a general election. Apparently, for the Obama campaign, the “will of the people” is just words.

Posted by: Andy | March 27, 2008, 5:07 pm 5:07 pm

MoveOn may have sent this mailing — this is a REAL story, right? :^\ — only to correspondents who favored the endorsement of Obama (I usually get their mailings, but don’t have THIS one).

Posted by: Navarro | March 27, 2008, 5:08 pm 5:08 pm

I guess Clinton’s fat cats want a return on their investment. If she doesn’t win the general election, she might be under sniper fire.I guess the fat cats thought the whole process was a done deal until Sen. Obama showed up.

Posted by: Chan | March 27, 2008, 5:09 pm 5:09 pm

i seriously hope that should move on and pelosi get their way and fl and mi arnt counted that the funding dries up and obama gets blown out by mcain,this lifelong democrat will be lol.

Posted by: don tufts | March 27, 2008, 5:10 pm 5:10 pm

The Fat Cat letter to Speaker Pelosi is nothing short of an attempt to bribe an elected official. Isn’t this prosecuted in this country anymore?

Posted by: H. Aslan Aslani-Far | March 27, 2008, 5:12 pm 5:12 pm

MoveOn. org. getting involved in the mess in the Democratic party? They’ve lost credibility. There is little difference between the two candidates in regards to positions so why would they get involved in this. MoveOn needs to MoveOut and prepare for the general election. Disgusting. Is this true David Axelrod is tied to MoveOn? Even worse yet. Get lost MoveOn you have zero credibility anymore.

Posted by: alpaig | March 27, 2008, 5:12 pm 5:12 pm

Re MoveOn’s plans and the absolute ties to Howard Dean, which are nowhere as evident as at MSNBC, particularly First Read: Please help us investigate Msnbc’s First Read, and their connection to Howard Dean and MoveOn.
All of its writers including Chuck Todd, with the possible exception of Montanaro, have direct ties to Howard Dean, MoveOn and the HRC bashing National Journal.
Aswini Anburajan, the one who saw fit to negatively call WJC “Bubba”, (IE: First Read “McPeak’s sharp tongue stabs Bubba”) is a full-fleded member of Howard Dean/MoveOn “machine”, being an early, dedicated “grassroots” organizer in his primary campaign, and continues a fervent loyalty to him today.
In fact, according to researching friends, Murray, Athena Jones, Menoli, etc. are all MoveOn based writers, plying their “partisan trade” at First Read, under Chuck Todd’s direction, as well as the National Journal, at the behest of Dean and MoveOn.
It now is clear why FirstRead is so negative toward HRC and so favorable toward BHO. It is now also clear why the far-left Dean/DNC element has seemed a mirror image of the far-right Repub element.
They use the same type destructive playbook, not counting the “6 point memo” Rove gave Obama’s campaign. That was just “gravy”. They have already used all 6 “points” of it as well.
All tactics Obama campaign are using are fully explained and outlined in Dana Dincan’s Book: Burning at the Grassroots: Inside the Dean Machine.
Then search Burning at the Grassroots. There is a pdf review. Pay particular attention to the content page. It alone will show the parallels.
Aswini Anburajan is prominently mentioned within as “the first home meeting organizer to show up”. It has all themes from “schmoozing the press, “tar baby technique” net skills, Iowa and caucus priorities, inciting the youth vote, and much more. An “eye-opener”!, but one you will find very familiar from Obama/Axelrod/Dean campaign. Same one used for Duvall Patrick. Patrick was the “test run”. It worked!
You will see every aspect of the Obama campaign even to the point of needing a candidate that “belongs” to them. They once wanted Bill Bradley after Dean stumbled. Content page chapter listing also points out chapter, “WASPS and Old Democrats” need not apply!
Please pass this along to anyone you think can do further research on the MSNBC drones, and the Dean/MoveOn cabal.
And please let First Read know of your disgust, they will not publish comments contrary to their goals, but thay will see the comments.

Posted by: MC | March 27, 2008, 5:18 pm 5:18 pm

Who wants the dirty politics of Chicago brought to Washington with Obama? Yes, it will be a different kind of politics in Washington but, though hard to imagine, it could actually be a worse kind.

Posted by: judy | March 27, 2008, 5:18 pm 5:18 pm

I have written Move On as a member , Donator and contributor to remind them that as an Action group their responsibility is not to take sides but to inform America of each candidate’s position on the issues. As these positions compare with the NEOCONS and the general Republican outlook on America and its future.
But NO..NO.. that’s to constructive and unifying……They prefer the Karl Rove model of dealing with middle and working class America..to distract, divide and steal the enthuiasm of the masses.
Shame on you Move On…..You will ask me soon for a donation….I am waiting to tell you where to fat that cat…. What a waste…..!!!

Posted by: Andy | March 27, 2008, 5:18 pm 5:18 pm

The Hill’s big fat cats want to spend some nights in the White House and the hotel manager Bill Clinton will take care of them. That is the ritual they hve been missing for 8 years of WBush: the Lincoln bedroom. But they have to understand that if anybody could buy the presidency, Mit Romney would be in the White House today. God bless Nancy a real strong woman, God bless America, and God bless Obama. OBAMA08.

Posted by: BKMC | March 27, 2008, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm

Andy,
we don’t these copied and pasted spins from the official Hillary sites here. They’re meant to keep her supporters confident in a fine way out of the mess the HRC campaign is in, I respect that, but there’s no other meaning to it.

Posted by: HarkoK | March 27, 2008, 5:22 pm 5:22 pm

Andy,
Your argument is flawed. You are spinning the number to justify what you want to represent.
Obama HAS won many more STATES, DELEGATES, and LEADS IN THE POPULAR VOTE. Hillary cannot overtake him without taking 2/3rds of all voters in the next primaries. Basically, she hasn’t got a prayer. Penn is really her last bastion.
She has serious general election flaws. All those great young voters won’t come out for her and the black vote will likely just stay home as well. She would lose the general election. Why else would Limbaugh have all his supporters voting for her?
Get a grip on your penchant for tallying numbers to suit your own interests and look at this realistically. Hillary can’t win in a general election. Her criticism of Wright just killed her general election chances.
She can’t win on just the few biggest states populations of Catholics and old women. It won’t happen. McCain will win everybody else.

Posted by: Mike | March 27, 2008, 5:27 pm 5:27 pm

I wish I could get back the money I’ve sent to move on I can’t believe they were only for Obama this is not a party anymore I would glady join a new party about now. N Pelosi is no leader her and Tom Dashel the most worthless rep we have had to bad thiers no Tip O’niels in this party.

Posted by: Bishop | March 27, 2008, 5:29 pm 5:29 pm

To BKMC
Guests in the Lincoln bedroom, other than personal friends of the Clintons, were DNC donors, WJC did not need donors. He was already President!
The donors benefitted the DNC alone. The same DNC that backs your idol Obama!
And….Before you spout off, ck Bush Whitehouse logs. I know personally 3 republican couples from Texas that have
stayed there, 1 of them 6 times.

Posted by: MC | March 27, 2008, 5:30 pm 5:30 pm

Politics are really dirty aren’t they? Who wants any of these so called candidates for president?
I am so sick of that shyster obama, the media thrashing Hillary Clinton and her daughter, the Republicans just waiting for their chance.
What is happening is the A.H. obama is giving the election and presidency to John McCain and at this time, I guess I’ll go with McCain.
I detest with a passion obama his cult follwers his pastor and everything that obama stands for. I feel sorry for the decent and kind black people that obama is hoodwinking for their vote, he’ll dump them as soon as they have voted. What an arrogant, malipulating pieces of horse puky this obama is.

Posted by: Lou | March 27, 2008, 5:31 pm 5:31 pm

MoveOn should stay out. They do not represent the people – they represent “people like us.” It is viturally impossible for a regaulr citizen to get a MoveOn representative on the phone – which you can do for any candidate, and rep, or most of the revolting people who signed that letter to Pelosi.

Posted by: Mara | March 27, 2008, 5:31 pm 5:31 pm

The Moveon.org and Daily Kos mafia, and Pelosi, have been colluding for several months to deprive working class Democrats of a candidate that will represent them. The only problem is that a free Democratic society will not tolerate autocratic behavior. One way or another working class Democrats are going to be heard.
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Obama = green behind the ears!
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | March 27, 2008, 5:33 pm 5:33 pm

Is thier any one else the media , republicans, and the whole democrat old guard would like to run against Hillary she is one strong woman to still be standing .

Posted by: Bishop | March 27, 2008, 5:37 pm 5:37 pm

Thank you moveon.org!!!
Talk about trying to buy a election,.. the Clintons are brats,..kicking and screaming as they’re being pushed out the door (Thank Gawd).
It’s not smart politic’s,.. just a poor example of older aged people not understanding the vibe of today’s America.
No one likes bully’s and it’s not cute that ms clinton seem like a enraged emotional fool,..not the image for our next president!

Posted by: eXcellente360 | March 27, 2008, 5:37 pm 5:37 pm

the hilary machine is at it again. oh woe is me…give it up and get a life.

Posted by: warren | March 27, 2008, 5:38 pm 5:38 pm

I think Chris Dodd’s words on the race tell us a lot more than the MoveOn letter:
“Well, the solution is, look, we’ve got a contest coming up in Pennsylvania and one in North Carolina and Indiana very quickly afterwards. In my view, the outcome of those three races will determine — I think the race has been determined, anyway, at this point. I think it’s very difficult to imagine how anyone can believe that Barack Obama can’t be the nominee of the party. I think that’s a foregone conclusion, in my view, at this juncture given where things are. But certainly over the next couple of weeks, as we get into April, it seems to me then, that the national leadership of this party has to stand up and reach a conclusion. And in the absence of doing that — and that’s not easy and I realize it’s painful — but the alternative, allowing this sort of to fester over the months of June, and July and August, I think are irresponsible. I think you have to make a decision, and hopefully the candidates will respect it and people will rally behind a nominee that, I think, emerges from these contests over the next month. That’s my suggestion, that’s what I would do.”
(speaking to Mark Halperin)

Posted by: HarkoK | March 27, 2008, 5:46 pm 5:46 pm

MC:
Didn’t anyone in the Democratic Party (DNC, Dean) realize that Barack Obama had considerable baggage? (Rezko, Rev. Wright, etc.)

Posted by: Ellen | March 27, 2008, 5:47 pm 5:47 pm

Why shouldn’t those big money contributors send a message to Pelosi to back off and let the Primary season play out without her clumsy efforts to thwart the process. I wish I had that kind of money to join them in their effort. My recourse though may be just as effective. I’m sending a copy of my change in party affiliation next week. My frustration has to do with Party leaders – siding with Obama who have waged daily assaults on the Clintons’ character – seemingly with complicity from the DNC. Their inability to get this race back to the issues and failure to get balanced reporting from the media make me realize that they’re useless. If they don’t need me, I don’t need them.

Posted by: s valenti | March 27, 2008, 5:49 pm 5:49 pm

As I mentioned in the earlier post re MoveOn/Howrd Dean’s grassroots movement.
This coalition has been in place since Dean was forced to drop out in 2004. They have been lokking for “their candidate”, tried to get Bill Bradley at some point. He would not run but “hooked up with them”.
Their plan means having a controllable candidate like Bush has been for Repub far-right.
The far-left MoveOn/Dean know they cannot control HRC, so they put all money on Obama. Axelrod is the campaign master, Dean will be their Cheney in the background.
I know this sounds like “a conspiracy theory”, and yes it actually is! Elements of the media such as MSNBC is staffed by so many MoveOn/Dean/Kos affiliated writers that they have made na impact.
Based on the game plan as exposed in Dana Duncan’s Book: Burning at the Grassroots: Inside the Dean Machine, this primary should already be over and Obama the winner.
The only thing that has thwarted them is a few adept and impartial journalists, defiant Hillary supporters and donors, and the fact that Americans are awakening.
Were it not for the Wright stumbling block, that they thought would not occur, the awakening might not have occured at all.

Posted by: MC | March 27, 2008, 5:52 pm 5:52 pm

First day posting a comment. JPT, your doing a good job.
Thank you..thank you Moveon.org for standing up against Hillary fat cats!

Posted by: Manal06 | March 27, 2008, 5:54 pm 5:54 pm

I understand that the liberals and Democrats want to end this thing now to preserve their favored candidate. What they fail to grasp is that this became a lost cause long ago.
Fact: Obama does better in caucases than in private voting. America will be voting privately in November.
Fact: Obama maintains his core supporters, but Republicans have pulled away and Independents are in a holding pattern awaiting more info to make up their minds.
Fact: Shoud Obama get the nomination, once the Republicans and 527s are done with him, the independents will desert him also. That number, added to the number of Hillary supporters and disenfranchised FL/MI voters who go with McCain, will cost Obama, the Dems, and MoveOn the election they pushed for so dearly.
Fact: Obama will be forever tarnished as a candidate.
Prediction: Hillary wins it in 2012.

Posted by: HoosierSue | March 27, 2008, 5:54 pm 5:54 pm

Maybe it’s time for Pelosi to actually listen. It isn’t probable. On the other hand, regardless of how the nomination goes, if we lose the general election, Pelosi is over, Dean is over and Move On is… still moving on.
Careful people. The statement the Democratic Party elite wanted to make is made. From this point forward, all you can do is lose.

Posted by: len | March 27, 2008, 5:56 pm 5:56 pm

The Democrats can always find a way to to lose an election. This long primary race has cause Obama supporters to hate Clinton and Clinton supporters to hate Obama. Meanwhile, McCain remains survive unscathed.

Posted by: Ella | March 27, 2008, 6:02 pm 6:02 pm

The left wing of our party wants to exclude the voters in Florida and Michigan, and the Clintons want the “fat cats” to make the decision. McCain sounds better and better.

Posted by: texasdemocrat | March 27, 2008, 6:03 pm 6:03 pm

Andy,
Obama has a pledged delegate lead that is insurmountable unless “the skies open up, the sun shines down…” and a miracle occurs in the form of 67% of the remaining delegates supporting her. In your comment, you gloss over the differentiation between pledged and super delegates. Pledged delegates are awarded based on the proportionate share of the people’s vote. Super delegates are party insiders who supposedly have superpowers that entitle them, as individuals exactly like you and me except that they’re more ‘powerful’, to a say in the process that is worth exponentially more than the regular person.
The popular vote and the pledged delegates are what represent the will of the people. The superdelegates, as the Clinton campaign repeatedly points out, are not bound by anything other than their own decision making ability. Neither candidate will achieve the ‘magic number’ without the superdelegates, and it would be absolutely silly – especially when going up against the Clintons – to employ a strategy that involves ignoring these people altogether. To the people who say that if Obama thinks that the superdelegates should follow the will of the people of their states then Kennedy and the others should have to vote for Clinton – SURE. If that rule were in effect, then the Ted Kennedy and any other superdelegate committed to Obama from a state that Hillary carried could be bound to support Hillary, but then EVERY SINGLE SUPERDELEGATE that is committed to Hillary from the (twice as many) states that Obama carried has to support him. He still wins.
Anyway, the popular vote, in the end, will favor Obama. The FL and MI “elections” will not be included in this total, but even if they were it won’t change the fact that Obama will end up with a greater percentage of the overall popular vote. The pledged delegates, split proportionately based solely on the popular vote and the results of the caucuses, will also be in Obama’s favor. If the Clintons convince enough super delegates to ignore these factors and support her at the convention, then that is the very definition of overturning the will of the people.
The argument that Obama is making (supported by Pelosi and the unofficial position of the vast majority of the remaining uncommitted superdelegates) is that once everything is done, and the pledged delegates and popular vote (minus the Castro-style one-choice election in Michigan and the random straw poll in which people like myself didn’t vote in reasonable reliance on the fact that the DNC and the candidates would keep their word that the FL delegates wouldn’t be included) are examined, the superdelegates should put their commitments aside and vote en masse for the candidate who has been selected by the people.
The reason that the superdelegate system is even in place is so that, in the event that the people are silly enough to select someone who is entirely unelectable, the more politically astute elders can step in and reverse that decision. Putting aside the lunacy of the system if it works as it is supposed to, it simply isn’t like that anymore.
The only reason that Hillary even has a lead in the superdelegates is that she collected their endorsements long before they or anyone else had a clear picture of what the race would look like. If you look at the superdelegate endorsements, Obama has been collecting them at a far greater pace than she has. She just started with a lead long before anyone even knew who was running or what the race would look like. A bunch of veteran politicians committing to support the candidate that they thought was the inevitable nominee – in an effort to advance their own standing within the party once she “inevitably” won, is certainly not what the people who crafted this ridiculous system had in mind.

Posted by: Joe | March 27, 2008, 6:04 pm 6:04 pm

Moveon.org needs to remember that only half the dems support Obama…

Posted by: Firefighter | March 27, 2008, 6:05 pm 6:05 pm

Vanessa,
Do this! Try holding your breath until Obama is the nominee.
Please start now! It ain’t gonna happen.
If HRC does not “blow him out of the water”, he and his past will do it!
Long time from now until August, nad if Hillary were forced out, the GE would be a walk for McCain. See todays NBC/WSJ poll. We the 28% plus ain’t joking!

Posted by: MC | March 27, 2008, 6:06 pm 6:06 pm

It is very comical to me that people are saying, McCain is going unscathed…and he’s getting a free ride. Please…remember, Americans memories are shorter than we think. What’s gonna matter come November is the debates and discussions that happen post-August. And there is no way, with his current positions aligned so closely with Bush, that the American people are gonna go for that. Get real…his time is coming and when it does, he’s not gonna know what hit him.

Posted by: What.Say.Me... | March 27, 2008, 6:09 pm 6:09 pm

Wait a minute. The letter was addressed to Nancy Pelosi, not the MSM or the American people. They didn’t need to pick up a phone, they wrote a letter directly to her. The only one to blame for making this matter public is Nancy Pelosi herself.

Posted by: LOM | March 27, 2008, 6:11 pm 6:11 pm

Nancy Pelosi and Moveon.org are enough reasons to switch to McCain.

Posted by: Haha | March 27, 2008, 6:12 pm 6:12 pm

MoveOn.org, through its “polled” membership, ENDORSED Obama ’08. Get a Grip!
Hill’s “fat cats” need to move on!

Posted by: CopperChutzpah | March 27, 2008, 6:13 pm 6:13 pm

To texasdemocrat from another texasdemocrat…
Where was all that “Vast Left Wing Conspiracy Talk” when the decision was made in January to pull those delegates. I’ll tell you where…absolutely no where. Just like Clinton herself, the Clinton supporters want to play that card now that they realize she needs those votes along with a lot more to catch up with Barack’s pledged delegate count.
When the Campaign of Inevitability was flying down those tracks, no one had a problem.
Furthermore, I don’t think it’s necessary to say that those Democrats that in Florida and Michigan are gonna vote Republican or sit at home in November. Those voters will be fired up and ready to have their voices heard at that time because their elected officials (not he Obama campaign) screwed it up by playing chicken with their election.

Posted by: What.Say.Me... | March 27, 2008, 6:13 pm 6:13 pm

I whole heartedly agree Move On. I went on line and donate $100.00 to Democratic Party today and left blogs in lots of places encouraging others to do the same. When they send the email acknowledgment,you can sent a reply that they promise to read and can use that to tell them that you’re donating to replace fat cats threat. Obama campaign has proven that lots of people who give a little can outdo a few people who give a lot and without the threats, arm twisting, favors owed and strings attached. That old top down is falling in the face of grass roots people who take responsibility for their own party. The grandma who gave $3.09 and a Bible verse is every bit as much a partner as the person who can afford to give the maximum. We can effect change for the better if we work together. Yes We Can.

Posted by: karela | March 27, 2008, 6:15 pm 6:15 pm

tomdavie ~
If the roles were reversed, and Clinton was where Obama is and vice versa, what would you guys be saying…
“He needs to step aside…he’s tearing apart the democratic party…blah, blah, blah.”
We definitely wouldn’t be hearing that “Take it to the Convention” pep rally chant.

Posted by: What.Say.Me... | March 27, 2008, 6:16 pm 6:16 pm

Tim: You are so right. Wright, Farrakhan, Ayers and Rezko would be coming to dinner at the white house. I read Obama’s bio in the New York Times and what a background. His mother was married three times, his father four times and there are 8 children involved. All from different mothers and fathers. Obama had severe ties to Rezko and it states it on his taxes. He knew what he was doing when he chose friends like Farrakhan, Ayers, Rezko and Wright. If Rezko had dirty dealings that would include Obama too because he was his attorney. Now he wants to turn his back on him? If he was president of this country there would be a disaster like never before. And I believe he can be dictorial when he wants to be.

Posted by: MI-Voter | March 27, 2008, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm

John: thanks for the pick:
Polls conducted nationally by Gallup, Quinnipiac University, and AOL show Hillary Clinton leading by an average margin of 15 points nationally. According to Gallup, this marks the sixth consecutive day of Gallup Poll Daily tracking showing Clinton with a statistically significant lead over Obama, something she had not accomplished since Feb. 7-9 polling.
Clinton’s recent momentum has coincided with the controversy created by Obama’s association with the anti-US and racially charge sermons conducted by his long-time advisor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright. See the latest Gallup, Quinnipiac University and AOL poll results. Read about the nationwide Momentum Shift on

Posted by: Jimmy | March 27, 2008, 6:18 pm 6:18 pm

More on Michelle Obama!
Its been three weeks in which several polls show that Clinton has a lead on McCain in the general election and Obama loses by a large margin. While that would only be the starting base for the general election campaign, the Obama advocates should really stop showing their uninformed bias by claiming he is the only one that could beat McCain. Shouting among yourselves does nothing to make it true.
His involvement with the lunetic racist Rev. Wright is enough to make most American throw up!

Posted by: Denny_Crane | March 27, 2008, 6:20 pm 6:20 pm

“Pot calling the kettle black”
MoveOn.org is a tool of George Soros, a billionaire, who is – and has been – trying to influence elections with his wealth.
All of these “fat cats” sicken me. Make up your own minds who to vote for!

Posted by: David C | March 27, 2008, 6:20 pm 6:20 pm

In The Wrath of Kahn the infinitely wise Spock said, “The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.” “Or the one,” added Kirk.
Listening to Clinton’s playground bullying supporters gives the painting “The Scream” a shrill voice, and it’s giving me a headache. I applaud MoveOn and its effort to end the shrill scream boiling up around the Clintons.

Posted by: Brent | March 27, 2008, 6:20 pm 6:20 pm

Latest Gallup Poll as of today – March 27, 2008
Gallup Daily: Obama Now at 48% to Clinton 44%

Posted by: zoots | March 27, 2008, 6:23 pm 6:23 pm

Moveon.org is the farthest left wing of the party. Clinton democrats HATE them as well as all the republicans obviously.
28% of clinton supporters voting for Mc Cain. Only 19% of Obama supporters voting for Mc Cain.
Get over it. Obama is unelectable. No liberal media spin can save him now. Just polarize more of the Democratic party.

Posted by: tomdavie | March 27, 2008, 6:23 pm 6:23 pm

It is my opinion that our current Political and Economic systems are doomed. For too long both have been in the control of the fat cats, the top 10% who control 70% or more of the wealth in this country.
For some unknown reason most of you believe that these folks represents your interest. The Ponzi schemes that they create on wall street to enrich themselves ends hurting the middle class and the poor.
Read about the Auction Rate scheme that you and I will be paying for. Bear Stearns anyone. The Clintons are part of this cabal.
You must begin to listen alternative to alternative information and read books that present contrary and well researched views from the norm to formulate your own opinion. If you were to take these steps you will stop voting against you own self interest.
I read your blogs and most of you don’t have a clue of what is going on in America. You watch the empty suits on the various network shows and use what they say to formulate your opinions.

Posted by: Steve | March 27, 2008, 6:24 pm 6:24 pm

latest rassmussen report.
Clinton 47 obama 42
March 27 2008
Obama getting crushed even MORE in the general election
Obama 222 Mc Cain 301
Clinton 246 Mc Cain 248 -tie
The numbers dont lie
Obama is unelectable.

Posted by: tomdavie | March 27, 2008, 6:27 pm 6:27 pm

yup, the stars are lining up for McCain!

Posted by: Haha | March 27, 2008, 6:29 pm 6:29 pm

steve thinks only HE can think independently. Only someone who is DEAD BOLT stupid thinks this.
the numbers dont lie Steve. Obama is unelectable.

Posted by: tomdavie | March 27, 2008, 6:29 pm 6:29 pm

Obama supporters “dis” these 20 signees at your own peril.
If your idol is the nominee, he and the DNC will sorely need their Cash!
As I staetd earlier these are DNC SUPERDONORS. That is why they feel they have every right to be heard.
MoveOn funds cannot even approach the donor power of these 20!

Posted by: MC | March 27, 2008, 6:30 pm 6:30 pm

Gallup reports todayVoters’ preferences in two hypothetical November general election matchups remain close, with John McCain at 47% to Clinton’s 44%, and McCain’s 45% to Obama’s 44%. The difference between McCain’s 3-point advantage over Clinton as opposed to his 1-point advantage over Obama is not statistically significant, but marks one of the few times when the two races have not had either identical gaps or gaps only a point different.

Posted by: zoots | March 27, 2008, 6:30 pm 6:30 pm

Funny, Tom Davie, when the recent polls are clearly showing that it’s Senator Clinton that is unelectable. Talk about spin. Plus your stats mention nowhere the huge number of independents and moderate Republicans that are now firm Obama supporters.
One of which is me… heck even my dad’s going to vote for Obama, I never thought I’d see the day that he’d vote Dem. Oh and by the way, I’m a regular supporter of MoveOn.org too, because people out on the left aren’t the only ones that want us to Move On from bad politics and the politicians that promote them.

Posted by: ExRepublican | March 27, 2008, 6:33 pm 6:33 pm

Barack Obama Volunteer Says ‘Data Entry Error’ Caused Request for Clinton Delegate to Cast Vote for Obama in Texas.
Ann Althouse provides an update on some possibly shady dealings regarding Obama campaign efforts to get Clinton pledged delegates to switch to Obama. She says that she and her son Chris Cohen received the following e-mail from a supposed Obama camp volunteer, in an attempt to explain away the situation:

Posted by: Texan | March 27, 2008, 6:36 pm 6:36 pm

REPLY TO Lou Mar 27, 2008 5:31:19 PM
Wow, I don’t think even your candidate of choice would willingly claim you as one of their own. But then again, maybe you’d fit right in….
You’re frightening…and sad.

Posted by: OrdinarilyRight | March 27, 2008, 6:36 pm 6:36 pm

Attention Superdelegates,
Which presidential candidate is making sure that Florida and Michigan will be sufficiently disenfranchised come the fall election?
Clue: His name rhymes with drama!
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Obama = $250,000 from Rezko, Rezko gets jail time (I’m sure Obama hopes to be able to pardon his buddy)
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | March 27, 2008, 6:37 pm 6:37 pm

I hope Moveon.org plays a major role in Obama’s nomination to ensure McCain’s victory in November. Whoohoo!

Posted by: Haha | March 27, 2008, 6:37 pm 6:37 pm

MoveOn + Obama = A Dream Team?

Posted by: dream team? | March 27, 2008, 6:42 pm 6:42 pm

The March 19-22 survey of 1,503 American adults found that Sen. Obama had maintained a 49 percent to 39 percent advantage over New York Sen. Hillary Clinton in the race for the Democratic presidential nomination. Another Gallup poll finds that Clinton has the lowest ranking and highest negativity among the 3 candidates. Her negative numbers are the worst at 32% likeability, going as far back as 2001 when she got elected to the senate.

Posted by: DC | March 27, 2008, 6:43 pm 6:43 pm

MC: “If your idol is the nominee, he and the DNC will sorely need their Cash!”
Actually MC, it looks like you’ve completely missed this campaign. Obama has raised incredible record breaking funds from small donors, way past Senator Clinton, way past any Democrat or Republican in history, and he did it with the support of 1 million grassroots donors, not from “Big Boss” big money political dealers. Whether or not you like him or not, it’s a political upset of astounding proportions and a real demonstration of Obama’s political mastery. It’s to the point where McCain is begging Obama to agree to use public campaign funds, because he can’t compete with Obama’s grassroots fundraising force.
By the way, I believe that your kind of sentiment, that we have to put up with economic elites calling the shots because we can’t elect a candidate without them, is the exact kind of cynicism that will doom us in the long run, and it’s where I think the Clinton campaign has ultimately failed. Of course she can’t do anything but believe in it, she’s been indebted to big money ever since she ran for Senate.
It’s incredible that Clinton is the biggest receiver of healthcare lobbyists money when she was once the champion of healthcare reform. A sad tale for America really, but one we can bring to and end.

Posted by: ExRepublican | March 27, 2008, 6:43 pm 6:43 pm

Moveon.org is supporter of Barack Obama. Moveon.org is a privately funded group by David Axelrod and his media firm AKPD Media.

Posted by: Facts Checker | March 27, 2008, 6:44 pm 6:44 pm

I am listening to Senator Obama on ABC News. He is wrong.
He will NEVER get enough of Senator Clinton’s supporters to win in November. He is the knee capper. He is dishonest and dangerous to the Democratic party. The party will be gutted if he is the candidate. The general election will be a referendum on the Democratic party. It will be a mass walk out. The WSJ and MSNBC poll released today has been manipulated to mislead the public.
The legacy of November will be bitter and ugly. And the heeling will take years and years. During that time capable, minority candidates of every ethnic background and with stories significantly more compelling than a one term senator from Illinois will be set back all in the name of a huge ego. I wish it were not going to be so.
I have not left the Democratic party. It is leaving me.

Posted by: beebop | March 27, 2008, 6:45 pm 6:45 pm

Obama is a great leader and country uniter, every one who follows him has said that…
Whether the statement is true is still no evidence…But suprisingly people believed it just because HE said so…
The only reason those people chose HIM because they just simply hate Clintons too much….
That is the fact… only hatred makes Obama

Posted by: True Truth | March 27, 2008, 6:49 pm 6:49 pm

ExRepublican:
Considering that Sen. Obama has received $1.18 million from subprime lenders and has taken more campaign contributions from the top ten issuers of subprime loans that attack rings hollow as just words. Sen. Obama has a record of talking about standing up to special interests and then caving to their demands. Hillary has a 35-year record of standing up to special interests and delivering results.
Obama has taken $1,180,103 from the top issuers of subprime loans. [cq.com]
Obama received $266,907 from Lehman. [Cq.com]
Obama received $5395 from GMAC. [Cq.com]
Obama received $150,850 from CS First Boston . [Cq.com]
Obama received $11,250 from Countrywide. [Cq.com]
Obama received $9052 from Washington Mutual. [Cq.com]
Obama received $161,850 from Citigroup. [Cq.com]
Obama received $4600 from CBASS. [Cq.com]
Obama received $170,050 from Morgan Stanley. [Cq.com]
Obama received $1150 from Centex. [Cq.com]
Obama received $351,900 from Goldman Sachs. [Cq.com]
“Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts.”
Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Posted by: beebop | March 27, 2008, 6:51 pm 6:51 pm

A lot of you are very unintelligent people. You can’t “blackmail” the DNC to throw the election. This in crazy and unethical. It doesn’t matter who or what Moveon is: The point is that Hillary’s highrollers are angry because they invested money in a candiate that didn’t win. How is any of this Obama’s fault? Many Hillary supporters blame him for being a good candidate – how ludicrous! She is NOT the best leader, but that doesn’t make her less a patriot. I can’t wait until this is over – it is bringing out the worst in ALL Americans. I will vote for Obama because he is a very good person and a brilliant leader.

Posted by: American Woman | March 27, 2008, 6:58 pm 6:58 pm

tomdavie,
you write: “The numbers dont lie. Obama is unelectable.”
Do you ever check the latest polls at realclearpolitics?
Just have a look. I hope you got a strong heart.

Posted by: Greg | March 27, 2008, 6:59 pm 6:59 pm

beebop:
Thanks so much for the list of Obama contributors who are foreclosing on everyone.

Posted by: countallthevotes | March 27, 2008, 7:00 pm 7:00 pm

Obama Is Only One To Safely Trust
At this point in campaign ’08, it should be apparent that of the three major candidates, Barack Obama is the one you can safely trust. If you have been watching the news of late, you would realize that Hillary Clinton either has a terrible problem with memory, or is at odds with the truth. It seems to me that to trust Clinton with greater responsibility of the public welfare than she currently has, is nothing short of a departure from sanity. She is in this race for Hillary Clinton, not for you and me.
Barack Obama is the candidate who, after college, went to Chicago’s southside to help Chicago’s urban poor, while Hillary took a high salaried position with a law firm. People make choices, and it has been Obama’s choices that clearly set him apart from Ms. Clinton. He chose and still chooses to remain a congregant of Trinity United Church of Christ. The former pastor, Rev. Wright, made comments, which, when viewed out of context, could seem unsettling. There has been much learned discussion from blacks and whites concerning his remarks. These discussions have shed a greater light of understanding on them. Bottom line, Barack Obama is not the summation of his church, nor the church the summation of Barack Obama.
Click to learn more…
As for Sen. McCain, I have always had a bit of respect for the guy, but the recent reports concerning cozy relationships with a wide range of lobbyists have left a dark cloud over his candidacy. I just wish the media would pay a bit more attention to these relationships, because as I often suspect, “where there’s smoke, there’s fire.” If the majority of voters desire a government less influenced by lobbyists and special interests, and more influenced by the wishes of the majority, then a vote for McCain is a vote to be mired in the past. This “more of the same” includes the standard fear mongering that was seen as successful in 2004. Both McCain and Clinton have played and will continue to play this card in an appeal to this most basic of instincts. If we continue policies based on fear, either real or perceived, I think we will lose opportunities to truly change the direction of this country and change lives for the better.
Barack Obama is setting the bar much higher than we have seen in a long time. He combines a lofty, yet attainable, vision with concrete plans and goals to reach that vision. Clinton and McCain offer no vision, and plans that are more of the same. I don’t know about you, but the last seven-year nightmare tells me that a new vision for this country is long overdue.

Posted by: Jeff Campbell | March 27, 2008, 7:01 pm 7:01 pm

Hillary Clinton is flip flopping on pledged delegates and superdelegates by encouraging party elite to vote against the will of the people – “I believe strongly that in a democracy, we should respect the will of the people and to me, that means it’s time to do away with the Electoral College and move to the popular election of our president.” – Hillary Clinton in 2000. This kind of leadership found support in the notion of “false consciousness” that originated in the philosophical writings of Marx and Engels.

Posted by: Matt | March 27, 2008, 7:12 pm 7:12 pm

Obama’s vision is to bring people together….Yes, he just nearly brought half of Dems together…
Obama’s hope for change: yes the change of owner of W.H. to his name but will be surronding by the same old politicans (Kerry, Ted, etc — SOSO
His plans are simply written by his diligent advisers and his job is just to read them to public…
Anything esle, probably that is all about him…

Posted by: True Truth | March 27, 2008, 7:13 pm 7:13 pm

Countallthevotes:
Are you surprised that the candidate who wants to “foreclose” on the voters in Michigan and Florida has taken so much money from the real foreclosure industry? He has taken more money from Wall Street than Senators Clinton and McCain …. combined … funny … there he was down there talking about regulating WALL STREET …. LOL

Posted by: beebop | March 27, 2008, 7:14 pm 7:14 pm

Do you all understand that she had a low ceiling of electability to begon with…now she has trashed that with her numbers already…but you still are trying to say that she is better than Obama…
you people are crazy and have been duped by these people for 15 years…
do you all realize that if Tsongas or Kerrey did what Hillary is doing now …if they did it (and they could have with similar numbers) back in 1992… and they didn’t have an ex-president/husband campaigning for them 24/7…
Bill would have never been President.

Posted by: dl | March 27, 2008, 7:18 pm 7:18 pm

Hillary Clinton failed inclusion and diplomacy with congress on her universal health care bid. She subsequently surrendered and aligned herself to the health care industry as the largest recipient of money among candidates from health care special interests.

Posted by: Matt | March 27, 2008, 7:20 pm 7:20 pm

…and beebop that’s right the people on wall street who work for those firms are giving (relatively small contributions compared with the rest of his numbers from the internet) because they know who can solve the financial situation that we are in…
those contributions are predominantly from individuals who have a brain when it comes to economics…
as the New York times has backed Obama’s economic plan…
stop with the spin

Posted by: dl | March 27, 2008, 7:21 pm 7:21 pm

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Obama 1st Anti-American Pres Candidate!!
Obama got $250,000, Rezko got jail!!
Obama’s pastor: Italians “Garlic Noses that lynched Christ Italian style”!!!
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dl: Obama doesnt have an economic plan…he is out begging for money in Wall St….that right…the Wall St that he criticized…and the money is going to pay for ads in PA…a primary that he wont win….what a waste!!

Posted by: MattOhio | March 27, 2008, 7:24 pm 7:24 pm

West Coast Messenger: First, Michigan voters have a right to vote, even if the party leadership made a mistake. But the Clinton proposal was a sham. Did you read it? And the backers of that proposal were not the people of Michigan – they were the some of the same filthy rich donors who wrote the letter to Pelosi, have funded the Clinton campaigns for years and given literally millions of dollars to the Clinton library. One donor to the Michigan sham-primary, Fred Eychaner, has given over FOUR MILLION DOLLARS to the Clinton Library alone. (Foundation Directory). How can you honestly believe that these people care about working people – here’s an idea – give them a call. Their numbers aren’t hard to find. I did it yesterday. See what kind of people they are.
Right now, Rezko has not been convicted of anything, although he doesn’t look like a great guy. But he sure gives me an opportunity to bring up the trials of the Clinton supporters. It’s hard to know where to start if you want to talk about Clinton politics and convicted felons, but a good place would be Norman Hsu, who gave $850K to Hillary Clinton (SF Gate, 9/07). Bernard Schwatrz, who supported the Michigan sham, has given $750K to the Clinton Library and has contributed to their campaigns for years, was convicted of selling missile secrets to the Chinese (Fine: $14MILLION; NYT 2002). Bill Clinton has been disbarred from ever practicing law in this country. The list goes on and on and on.

Posted by: Mara | March 27, 2008, 7:40 pm 7:40 pm

Mara:
Bill Clinton was not disbarred for life. On January 18, 2006, He could reapply for his license in the State of Arkansas.
This is just more of the Obama campaign throwing Democratic heroes on the pyre for their own selfish reasons.
“Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts.”
Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Posted by: beebop | March 27, 2008, 7:56 pm 7:56 pm

MattOhio
did you just say Obama is begging for money?
yeah… sorry but I just gave another $25
and I am like the million or so other people who give often…because I love my country and my party and what they stand for…not the Clintons….they are everything wrong with this party…with politics for that matter.
I think Hill might be the one begging…cause 70% of the country …uh…does NOT LIKE HER.

Posted by: dl | March 27, 2008, 7:59 pm 7:59 pm

It is time for Pelosi to go. She is the worst speaker of the house that I ever had.
She is a deceitful and unprincipled woman. She cannot change the superdelegate rule in the middle of an election. How dare for her to make a bold face lie! Disgusting woman!

Posted by: bebe | March 27, 2008, 7:59 pm 7:59 pm

dl:
Somebody “officiating” this website is on your side … my comment about spinning the “smart” economic guys from Wall Street who watched the housing industry sink into foreclosure being smart when it comes to Senator Obama disappeared … and yet, your comments remain unchallenged!
“Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts.”
Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Posted by: beebop | March 27, 2008, 8:17 pm 8:17 pm

Anyone know how Hillary can catch up to Obama in the elected delegate count?
With 566 delegates to be elected, O leads by 160 give or take a couple. Mathematically, she has to win 70-30 from here on out.

Posted by: The Commander Guy | March 27, 2008, 8:32 pm 8:32 pm

BeBopp: I apologize for the error. However, I am not supporting anyone for a co-presidency who has been disbarred from practicing law – for one year or more. I am not supporting anyone for co-presidency and that is what the Clintons are seeking.
Second, I am not part of the Obama campaign, and am an independent voter.
Third, I do not consider anyone who spoke these words to be either a Democratic or American hero:
“It depends on what the meaning of the words ‘is’ is.” Bill Clinton (BBC 1998)

Posted by: Mara | March 27, 2008, 8:34 pm 8:34 pm

The two million donors that have given to Obama’s campaign cheer Nancy on.
She can tell Hillary’s elite (remember Bush’s elite?) that threatening to take their money elsewhere is just fine.

Posted by: citizenvoter | March 27, 2008, 8:56 pm 8:56 pm

Boy:
I certainly know how Hillary Clinton feels …. I put up comments, the moderators read into them and take them down …. I don’t swear …. or repost the same four lines …
MARA:
How do you feel about liars? Have a problem with people who lie?

Posted by: beebop | March 27, 2008, 9:01 pm 9:01 pm

Hey hey Hillary supporters – what does Rasmussen Data say?
Rasmussen Markets data now give Obama a 79.7% chance to win the Democratic nomination while expectations for a Clinton victory are at 19.8%. Market data also suggests that Obama has a 47.8% chance to become the next President. Expectations for McCain to become President are at 39.6% while Clinton’s prospects are at 13.3%.

Posted by: vmcgreen | March 27, 2008, 9:03 pm 9:03 pm

Every time I read comments by Clinton supporters – usually negative and fact-twisting, like their leader – I am motivated. I’ve never donated to a political campaign in my life before this. I have the Clintonites. Everytime their mudslinging negativity and fact-twisting pisses me off, I just send out another $25 to the Obama Campaign. I used to think the Clintons were misunderstood and that the Republican attack dogs were just rabid. I happily voted for Bill twice! Now I can see that dishonesty is their way of life, and personal ambition comes before all else. It’s a let down, but that’s life. I’m proud of the way that Obama acts with dignity and respect for all people – even Hillary. That’s the kind of America I want to see prevail.

Posted by: IdahoPotato | March 27, 2008, 9:24 pm 9:24 pm

I guess Obama’s Fat Cats are better than Clinton’s Fat Cats. To think I have given to MoveOn. I wonder if I can get a refund? I would send it to Hillary. Just the idea of the Rev. Wright in the Lincoln bedroom makes me sick.

Posted by: Tina D | March 27, 2008, 9:58 pm 9:58 pm

BeBop: i do have a problem with liars when they are the president of the united states of america and they are lying to me as an american citizen. especially if they are running for a co-presidency.
(clinton 1/28/98)

Posted by: Mara | March 27, 2008, 9:58 pm 9:58 pm

bebop: hillary has 35 years of standing up to special interests? hillary clinton spent 15 years as a corporate attorney for a firm which represented monsanto, walmart and other corporations. her chief advisor is worldwide ceo for burson-marsteller, a gigantic pr firm whose clients include countrywide (as in sub-prime central) and the blackwater private security firm.

Posted by: Mara | March 27, 2008, 10:03 pm 10:03 pm

Tina D.
It’s funny that you say you would hate to see Rev.Wright in the Lincoln Bedroom because those individuals (you know the ones who were either lobbyists or corporate execs whose bbest interests were served by with the Clintons in office) the ones who wrote that letter to Speaker Pelosi …1 in 4 of them stayed in the Lincoln Bedroom (seriously you can look it up) while Bill was in office.
Those same people who must not have read this (from the Library of Congress):
This is from the Library of Congress… – but it can also be found in “Dictionary of Politics” —
The purpose of the “Hunt Commission” formed in 1980 -which created today’s superdelegate system…was and I quote,
“to streamline the delegate selection process to party conventions and to DEMOCRATIZE the party itself, broadening the base of political participation by increasing input into the process of selecting presidential candidates, to strengthen ACCOUNTABILITY of public officials and strengthen the party itself whose base was weakened by the vigorous activities of the the Republican Party.”
Speaker Pelosi’s situation is entirely correct… the purpose of changes made to the selection process including superdelegates were in the direct goal of “democratizing the party” and holding public officials “Accountable” (and it references “to the members of the party” later in the section)to the party and therefore it’s members/voters.
so really I think this is almost done.

Posted by: dl | March 27, 2008, 10:05 pm 10:05 pm

@The Commander Guy | Mar 27, 2008 8:32:14 PM:
You are on these blogs almost every day talking about the mathematical improbabilities of a Clinton win.
Why don’t you explain for us how Obama wins it mathematically? The truth is you omit that explanation every time because he wins the nomination EXACTLY same way Clinton would win it, despite being up in popular vote, states and pledged delegates.
It’s the superdelegates, stupid, who are free to vote their independent judgment (something else that you seem to always conveniently forget to mention). Neither candidate has enough to clinch the nomination and it is STILL mathematically possible for EITHER candidate to get there.
Keep spinning your fuzzy math argument.

Posted by: TCG has a math problem | March 27, 2008, 10:07 pm 10:07 pm

The ‘big DCCC donors’ believe in entitlement programs. For themselves.
Was the letter clumsy? Of course. But then all the Team Clinton attacks on Obama have been clumsy. Birds of a feather….

Posted by: Tom J | March 27, 2008, 10:27 pm 10:27 pm

Poor Speaker Pelosi can’t make either the Obama or the Clinton fat cats happy. They just keep hissing and clawing at one another and at her. I bet Cat in the Hat will join this tale soon to create further mischief and discord . . .

Posted by: katrina | March 28, 2008, 12:04 am 12:04 am

This is yet another lie that the Obama supporter are doing. Here is the truth:
1. Neither Obama and Clinton satisfies the required delegates to officially win the nomination under the current rule.
2. Both candidates are making their case using some various methods such as big states, small states, popular votes, pledged or super delegates, etc…
3. Superdelegates are not bound by anything but ‘using their independent judgment” to make their choice. That is the current rule.
Pelosi, as a party leader, must show leadership by playing by the rules also. To tell superdelegates that they should not follow the current rule ‘of independent judgment’ and make their vote an automatic vote tying to the popular vote is changing the rule in the middle of the game. That is called cheating or stealing the nomination!
Clinton’s supporters have every right to call Pelosi out for this lack of leadership and underhand tactic.
Let these candidates make their case to everyone, including the super delegates.
Obama and his supporters such as Pelosi or Moveon, have a double standard. They are whining that Clinton is ‘stealing’ their nomination when it is them who is doing it.
It is this type of behaviors such as Pelosi that will certainly motivate Clinton’s supporters to vote for McCain.

Posted by: vote4thebest | March 28, 2008, 12:48 am 12:48 am

A lot of good moveon.org did for Kerry and Dean. They are so 4 years ago. Can you say irrelevant.

Posted by: Mack | March 28, 2008, 1:50 am 1:50 am

I agree with Idaho Potato. I was so disappointed with both Hillary and Bill. I thought they had to get crazy to deal with the Republican attack machine. Democrats should not fight like Republicans with each other.
Their constant drumbeat when they attack around the facts, claim to have support they don’t, or send the ragin’ Cajun after Bill Richardson…I feel like I was standing by a bunch of craven self interest hacks from 1992 to 2000. At some point Democrats have to pull together even when we want to tar and feather the other side.
1 out 5 people have taken this so seriously that the Democratic candidate will lose the disenchanted in the fall. How can that be? We have suffered under Cheney Bush for 8 years. You remember Gore’s Willie Horton playing against Dukakis by George H.W. Bush. What kinds of attacks will the Democratic candidate have to face because of this primary? It sucks.

Posted by: Genna | March 28, 2008, 1:50 am 1:50 am

vote4thebest- You said it with class. I hope Pelosi gets voted out of being House speaker, she’s a nutcase. First she highlight the rules and now she wants to change them. Is she for real?

Posted by: Persio | March 28, 2008, 1:55 am 1:55 am

I guess Nancy Pelosi isn’t bothered at all by being called garlic nose or blamed for crucifying Jesus by Obama’s favorite uncle pastor.

Posted by: Mac | March 28, 2008, 2:09 am 2:09 am

I agree with Idaho Potato.
The Clintons disappoint. How could their donors tell the rest of the Democratic party to get behind their candidate or else they’d pull the resources that support the party? It defies belief that a special interest would take it this far when millions of Democrats are watching and wondering what else do they demand for all their big bucks. Hillary knew in advance that Nancy was going to be blackmailed and didn’t do anything to stop it.
It was under the Clintons that the Democrats lost their majority status in the Congress. If this is what they were doing then, NO WONDER more legislation did not pass in 1993 and 1994.
Then 1 out of 5 Democrats say they are going to take their votes to Republicans after we have suffered as a nation under Bush Cheney. What does the Democratic party stand for exactly?
It sucks. If these are our true colors, it is a wonder how we ever change anything in Washington.

Posted by: Genna | March 28, 2008, 2:39 am 2:39 am

Andy 5:07:30 PM, Just like your candidate you to turn facts upside down.
“And also remember that pledged delegates in most states are not pledged” – Hillary Clinton -
Since when was Hillary’s intension to override the will of the voter a myth?

Posted by: Tim | March 28, 2008, 7:52 am 7:52 am

“There is little difference between the two candidates in regards to positions so why would they get involved in this” – alpaig 5:18:21 PM
alpaig, Do you ever consider the honest and integrity as factors for supporting a candidate? Hillary is indebted to these fat cats and special interests, Obama is not because they can not buy him. Beside, does anyone know what Hillary Clinton is hiding in tax return?

Posted by: Tim | March 28, 2008, 8:00 am 8:00 am

Hey Tim …
How do you think Obama , my bro. is getting all this financial support?
Do you think Barack is running a community or grassroots organisation?
This is a fullscale corporation with FATCATS.. waiting to cash in just like any other successful campaign. You don’t believe me …just move the curtain a little bit and you will see standing in the corner, Billionaire John Kerry….hmmm..endorsement for free you think.?…E
verybody has their fatcats.

Posted by: Andy | March 28, 2008, 11:37 am 11:37 am

Tim sorry I did not see your response to my first comment.
Did you know that Hillary did NoT institute the superdelegate system, in the late 70′s or early 80′s , so that when she eventually run for president she could use it to her advantage.
This was done by the leadership of the democratic party to deal with situations where candidates ARE EVEN or NO ONE has the recommended majority.
Can Barack get the required majority???? No, of course NOT.
Can Hillary get it either …No..No..
So who are we going to call to solve this, but the superdelegates or any other system or mechanism inherent in the Democratic Party’s system of regulations for choosing a candidate where there is deadlock.
Despite the fact that Obama’s campaign has made Hillary THE WONDER WOMAN OF AMERICAN POLITICS’she who cannot be destroyed or defeated’ She did not make the rules for unlocking a deadlock.
Hillary is going on and must go on for the sake of the democratic party, the education of American middle and working class masses and for herself and self esteem. ‘Never stop playing until you hear the buzzer sound’….You have heard that before…
That’s the kind of President America NEEDS today….and for the next four years….Don’t you think?

Posted by: Andy | March 28, 2008, 11:57 am 11:57 am

I hear the Gov. of Puerto Rico has been indicted and he is a superdelegate supporting Obama. What else is new. Wasn’t Obama an attorney for a crooked businessman? One knows another. And didn’t Obama wheel and deal while he was attorney. Rezko gave Obama 350,000 to purchase a house on the Southside and gave his campaign 250,000 which Obama still has 100,000 of that money. Now Obama has turned his back on Rezko. That’s what friends are for?

Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | March 28, 2008, 12:57 pm 12:57 pm

Tina D. You are so right. And Wright would be in that white house just like Ayers and Farrakhan. Of course Rezko would probably be in jail. I wonder why Obama wasn’t questioned? What are the courts hiding from the public? Every time I turn on CNN or MSNBC I see Obama’s face. They promoted him to no extent but not McCain or Hillary. I see now Obama as William Daley as a co-chairman of his campaign. His father must be turning over in his grave because he would be against an Obama endorsement over Hillary. That’s the way it was with Daley, Sr. Richard Daley endorsed Obama because of the black vote should he run again. Daley, Sr. wouldn’t care.

Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | March 28, 2008, 1:04 pm 1:04 pm

Mac: Pelosi doesn’t care about the Italian’s she is only interested in herself and what people can do for her. Pelosi is a cut throat like Dean and Reid. Hillary should not drop out of the race there are still states to campaign in and the superdelegates should have a say so. Just because Obama won the popular vote and is ahead in delegates does not mean he is the best candidate to run the country. The superdelegates have the right to choose who they think is the best. And I don’t believe Obama can run this country without extensive help from others. After all he uses other president’s speeches and he used the word hope from RFK speech when he was campaigning for president. He is hopeless.

Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | March 28, 2008, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm

Crazy stuff. Donkey Superdelegates getting indicted right and left — Spitzer, Puerto Rico’s Gov., Detroit’s Mayor . . . At this rate, some time before the actual convention ol’ Dean’s gonna have to shift his focus from worrying about squabbling between the two nominee camps to worrying about whether he’ll be able to assemble an actual quorum of delegates. Or maybe they can create a new area on the convention floor, populated by marshals watching over cuffed & shackled guys in orange jump suits. “Mr. Chairman, the incarcerated delegates proudly representing the people of the great state of Attica cast their seventy six electoral votes for . . . _____________. Free Mumia! Wooo Hoooo!”

Posted by: Elephant Ears | March 28, 2008, 1:34 pm 1:34 pm

Tom: The letter was the right thing to do to Nancy Pelosi. She should take care of matters the right way like a professional would do. And loud mouth Howard Dean should step aside. He is the cause of the DNC falling apart. Pelosi is afraid of Hillary becoming president because Hillary would have a higher position than her and she doesn’t want that. Dean is an Obama supporter that’s why he doesn’t want MI and FL to seat their delegates because she would be ahead of Obama. Should she drop out. Heck no!! Obama cannot win those states in a general election because he would have won them instead of her. They do not want him as the nominee or they would have voted for him.

Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | March 28, 2008, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm

The big donors don’t give a hoot about moveon.org. They will do what they want regardless of what Pelosi says. And I agree with them. They have the right to choose the nominee. Do we want a president in the white house that can’t make decisions? And endorsements doesn’t mean the voters are going to listen to them. I believe Hillary will capture PA and maybe KY and IN. Obama will capture NC because of the black vote and the white youth vote. Obama can campaign in PA all he wants but she has a sixteen point lead right now and she has the endorsement of the Governor and two others. It took Bill Clinton to clean up the mess in the white house when he was president and it will take Hillary to clean it up again. Obama wouldn’t know what to do first. Maybe Patrick would give him a hand since he gave him his speech.

Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | March 28, 2008, 2:11 pm 2:11 pm

The naivete of far left liberals at MoveOn.org is breathtaking. They say they are going to obviate the Democratic fat cats by out-raising money themselves. How stupid! By alienating those fat cats, where do MoveOn.org radicals think that money from those fat cats are going to go? To the Republicans! It is this kind of leftist hubris that is going to sink Obama candidacy in the end.

Posted by: George S. | March 28, 2008, 5:52 pm 5:52 pm

Marianne Pepitone (comment near very top):
Only way fat cats can do whatever they want done is if apathetic people like you let them walk all over you.

Posted by: Jim | March 29, 2008, 9:34 pm 9:34 pm

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