New Dem Wave Cresting for Obama

How many other SUB sections of superdelegates are there? In all the parts of this race that matter, Clinton can win. Let the voters of Pennsylvania and the rest of the primaries have their votes. Then let the Michigan and Florida votes count, or revote. In this election, that is what counts most for the success and continued life of the Democratic Party. If regular voters cannot have their votes, who in the h—cares about the votes of superdelegates!

As long as the media plays favorites.
The DNC playing GOD and screwing the people.
The super delegates playing Political fixer.
The Democratic Party loses.
If Obama is on the ticket, everyone is voting republican.
Shame they DNC are pushing voters away, and telling them the people do not matter.
A vote for America is a Vote against Obama

The biggest dilemma the Dems have is not the back and forth between Hillary and Obama, but not allowing Fla. and Michigan’s votes to be counted. If that is not settled before the convention, all heck is going to break loose.Moreover, if these votes are not counted, Obama will never get my vote.

Although I am supporting Obama, I believe that the Democratic Party will emerge stronger by Clinton continuing the fight. The biggest weakness the Democrats have had is the lack of solid, forged, identity. I have accused them of being Demopublicans for years. Always taking a position just left of the Republicans. This is a fine strategy if you are angling to capture the moderate middle. When the Republicans went right so did the Democrats. All of a sudden the silent majority in the middle couldn’t discriminate one party from the other. So, Hillary, keep up the fight all the way to the Convention. The fight will lead to a stronger and more meaningful platform for the Democrats to take forward.

You guys havent figured out yet that 90% of the news the liberal media pumps out daily is just more Obama brainwashing?
Cant people think objectively and understand what is really happening here?
Obama cannot and will not win the general election.
However, Pelosi, Kerry and Kenney cannot and will not accpet another Clinton administration. This is what this has always been about.

tomdavie,
Obama will win the election in a landslide. The only brainwashing going on is that Clinton still has a chance at winning the nomination or that this is a close race.
What is a fact is that if a Clinton is on any ticket, its game over for the Democrats, we lose the Presidency, the House and the Senate. All this progress for nothing.

madeintheUSA, the current system is screwing up America, not Flordia. Suggestion, don’t vote for the current system, which is Rep and Dems, they are the current screw ups. Take a look at the alternative, Nadar just may win me over prior to Nov., God Bless USA

It’s all about the economy and the general election. Republicans will have a field day with Obama in Nov. if he gets the nomination. Wright, Rezko and Emil Jones are bad news for Obama. I can see the republicans coming already.

I never would have thought that we are so stupid and naive – So many are being told Barak is the answer to everything – he is not – he is the beginning of trouble, he is a calm spoken radical who believes the crap that Rev Wright preaches day in and day out… His wife is an educated women who hates all non blacks….. Our government is in serious trouble if this guy gets the presidental nomination. He will run this country into the ground with his radical b.s— We are all equal – everyone of us americans must demand the same oppourtines so as we will be equal.How many poor americans fight by education to get ahead, and how many poor americans don’t bother to get out of the poor life? Each and every human being has to make a choice – daily choices and stand by their choices, should I be hindered because a person who is in the same situaction as me chooses to make a different choice and it leads to that person jail and me i am moving to the JR college.Get with it people we make our own mistakes and our own greatness.

Georgia,
Everytime we approach a swing state which Obama clearly doesn’t stand a chance in, Obama Zombies start raising a cry for Hillary to drop out. The Democratic elite, led by the senators from the two coasts clearly are aiding and abetting this situation.
I agree with you, let the voters vote and we will decide who is the victor, not the pundits, not the Beltway elite.

Who is to blame for the Michigan and Florida mess? I have read many articles who put the blame on the shoulders of the Florida Democratic Party leadership, but I want names. (I’m not from Florida or Michigan, but if I was, I would want my “leadership” changed immediately!)

If Obama get in, my vote is for McCain

DO NOT BLAME Obama for what has happened in Michigan and Florida…it is your own fault. Rules are the Rules. It has nothing to do with him.

It’s mathematically improbable she will overtake Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., in pledged delegates, and her campaign has left a trail of unpaid vendors all over the country, with $8.7 million in unpaid debts.

opusrooster…why are you balming Obama? their own states chose to do this, and they fought again when it was brought up again for re-count. They should can all their representatives for mis-use of power and causing the mess.

Joe
In 2 years from now you will be saying i did make the right choice when i voted for him. Just be patient and you be happy that you did .

Obama hasn’t won yet. Oregon voters haven’t voted yet. Last time I heard we live in America and have a right to have choices of candidates at this level and not be lead around like sheep and be told Obama is the winner. He hasn’t reached the golden mark yet, so why he is the obvious winner. He makes me sick.

The only brainwashing that has been applied to the American people is in concerns that the electoral process outweighs the popular vote. If Clinton and her camp argue that it is an injustice against Democracy to not apply the electoral college and super-delegates as the primary factor of deciding the election; I argue that not valuing the popular vote demeans the foundations from Democracy itself. As representative of Andrew Jackson. As for Florida and Michigan, who were of no interest to Senator Clinton until she noticed she needs them to have any chance of clinching the nomination; I feel for them, however rules are rules, and to have them bent to cater to Senator Clinton is undemocratic to those who followed instructions. The vote was held in realization it would not count, and was not debated until after it demonstrated any gain for her.
Obama is not to blame for Florida and Michigan’s misfortune, the local government is. Clinton is using it as a ploy to justify her candidacy.
A candidacy preaching readiness “On day One,” when her experience in foreign policy has just proven to be exaggerated if not fraudulent.
The real questions are,
“Where are the tax records?” As well as What happened to Peter Paul? Transparency will set her free, however she does not have the motives to lift the party, rather than herself.

I really do not understand how anyone from Florida or Michigan can be upset with Barack Obama because their votes are in question. The anger and outrage needs to be directed at their primary committees/officials of their state. AND both states also suffered a discounted vote by cutting each vote in half in the Republican Primary also, it just doesn’t seem to matter there since there was not a serious contest going on.
I’ve heard lots of comments on how the votes need to count, but what is the DNC suppose to do… suspend and/or change the rules after the fact? What is the point of having rules then? AND if we change the rules now… then do we change the rules again in 4 years when another state doesn’t like the position in which they get to hold their primary? THEN everyone is unhappy again! How does anyone… individuals, political parties or states learn to play by the rules…. Hmmmm maybe by suffering the consequences when they don’t play by the rules?
If you seat the delegates and split their delegate count evenly between Obama and Clinton, they get to participate limitedly in the Convention and flawed votes don’t get to impact an important election. AND while that might not sit well with everyone who wants their votes counted… it is the right thing to do. You cannot expect rules to change that you blatantly disregard just because you don’t like consequences. Would you expect to do that for your children? Or what if it wasn’t your state… would you be screaming with the same anger to change the rules?

I watched an interview with McCaskill on Real Time and Mahr asked her why she was supporting Obama. As is usual with his supporters she didn’t really have an answer and then she said it was because of her daughter. She explained her 18 year old daughter had whined and badgered her until she agreed to support him. I was embarassed for her….

who many of you in this blog are parents? when you set the rules for your home do you break them just because your child screams thats not fair you didnt get my vote on placing those rules? well if you change them just because the kids didnt vote on them, you should know that you will probably be visiting the local county jal. children needs rules. just like adults d. if we break them there will be consequences that we will be responsible for.

Why are some of you people so dense. The reason Florida and Michigan should NOW be heard is because of the nature of this particular contest, all the states now seem to have the opportunity to be heard. Originally, when the disqualification was accepted, the general belief was that a nominee would already be selected after New Hampshire (which is often the case) and we wouldn’t even need to hear from all the other states. Well, now that that is no longer the case, every American citizen should have an opportunity to vote. Obviously Obama and his supporters don’t want Florida and Michigan to vote because he knows he is not favored in these states and vice versa for Hillary. All that aside, the people have the right to vote. Otherwise it will get ugly in November. THE END

i will never in a million years ever vote for the queen of sleeze Hillary.
Its time she learned the world doesnt revolve around her wants and needs.

This word is considered to be dirty now…
But…
I am a Liberal
The difference between the Clinton voters and Obama voters education wise,can be summed up in the following ideas.
If Hillary Clinton loses the nomination the supporters of Clinton vow to not vote for Obama and vote for McCain out of spite.
If Barack Obama loses the nomination when the popular vote, delegates, and contests won are all in his favor, I will leave the party.
Having proven itself corrupt after it’s initiation from the Republican secession of 1860, and the two thousand election. Both are cited examples of thieving Democracy. I have too much pride to co-operate with a logically and emotionally inconsiderate party.
In its stead, I would vote for either Mike Gravel, or Ralph Nader. I would rather see a candidate who is qualified and has a better approach to fixing my problems, than vote out of spite. And if they get the 5% for funding, it is a bonus.

Marlo – “…every American citizen should have an opportunity to vote.”
Right you are, Marlo, including all those American citizens who stayed home because they knew their votes wouldn’t count in an illegal election. So either have a re-vote, or abide by the DNC rules.

Barb how can you say that the super delegates are not listening to the voters if they vote for Obama. He is ahead in delegates, popular vote and most states won. So how is that not listening to the people. And voting McCain only says you are not a true democrat so go for it

All of you who want revotes in Florida and Michigan know full well that those voters will prefer Clinton just by virtue of the fact that, despite signing an agreement as did all the other democratic presidential candidates, she left her name on the ballot. In voting early, the Floridians and Michiganites broke the rules, and then Hillary backed them by breaking the rules, too. Because Obama’s name was not on the ballot in either state, as per their signed agreement, he will be perceived by the voters as having ignored those states. Therefore, the DNC should split the delegates equally in both states. It’s the only way to ensure fairness. Those states should not have broken the rules and voted early. Hillary, in leaving her name on the ballot in those states, also behaved unethically — as she tends to do of late.

Any Democrat who would vote for John McCain because their candidate didn’t win the nomination needs to remember why we are at this juncture. Even most Republicans didn’t want McCain, but sadly he’s their best bet. The GOP can crow that their nominee is already chosen, ready to choose his running mate, and therefore ready for the convention if they want. What they don’t really want to admit is — OF COURSE THEIR CONTEST IS OVER — THEY DIDN’T HAVE ANYBODY WORTHWHILE RUNNING. The Democrats, on the other hand, had all great candidates, any of whom any Democrat would have been proud to vote for. Despite the sourness of the current back and forth between Obama and Clinton, they are two great candidates. The GOP has none.

“Un-american”,”Muslim”, even “Woman”…
All rhetoric to distract you from which candidate is more resourceful. It is completely arrogant to claim someone who is running for public office has no interest in the country, especially someone who has a liberal voting record as strong as Obama’s.

It seems that over and over the folks who are so hopping mad about Michigan’s superdelegates are not from here. Honestly, we knew the score and we knew the rules. And we were not “disenfranchised” – we voted. So please stop asking us to revote, we are not asking you to revote your state. And we are not so silly here to not vote for our preferred candidate in the fall because of some dumb decisions by our legislature. Michigan has been a blue state since 1992 and with our economy in shambles, it will continue to be a blue state.
So thanks again everybody for being so concerned about our welfare here, but it’s okay – we’re over it, I suggest you get over it too.

Word MIguy…
I appreciate some truth on this forum. HAHA

“Posted by: UnfareElection | Mar 31, 2008 4:45:05 PM
Any Democrat who would vote for John McCain because their candidate didn’t win the nomination needs to remember why we are at this juncture. Even most Republicans didn’t want McCain, but sadly he’s their best bet. The GOP can crow that their nominee is already chosen, ready to choose his running mate, and therefore ready for the convention if they want. What they don’t really want to admit is — OF COURSE THEIR CONTEST IS OVER — THEY DIDN’T HAVE ANYBODY WORTHWHILE RUNNING. The Democrats, on the other hand, had all great candidates, any of whom any Democrat would have been proud to vote for. Despite the sourness of the current back and forth between Obama and Clinton, they are two great candidates. The GOP has none”
This entry above is why I AM voting for Obama. Because he is the most qualified, and ignorance like this only sets us back. When we look towards each other and transcend racial, and gender barriers we cannot be hindered from our progress. Change comes from within, and I am strong enough to work with my fellow Americans, because I in many facets envelope the diversity, hard work and ethics that define us as the land of opportunity. As are many people who look to better themselves. This arrogance is not for leaders, but for people satisfied with mediocrity. We should not throw these people away, but include them, as they are obviously clouded as to what America is, and where America can go. Hopefully, we will move forward and progress ourselves, and truly become United States of America…

The DNC, Obama and his supporters could have fixed the mess the Dems are in, by first really working to fix the problem with FLA and MI, instead of blocking all the solutions. They also want Hillary to concede, so they can then make Obama the nominee, seat FLA and MI afterwards in a masquerade of Democracy, to then make those two states feel included, and supposedly give the Dems a chance to win in Nov. How can this be considered by the world community to exemplify an open and transparent elections’ process, that can be seen as truly expressing what Democracy really is about, if two of the 50 states don’t even have a voice? If this was something we saw of another country, we would be very outspoken in disagreement toward that country as not truly being a valid Democratic process. Fix it now, so it is a real Democracy, rather than later, and only showing an appearance of one.

The conventional wisdom has been wrong all year. I think the ultimate failure in this wisdom is the suggestion that the Democrats have two strong candidates.
You’d have to live in a box to think that. No matter who wins there is a major portion of the Democratic party that will vote against the winner.
The Democratic Party has blown it once again.
Neither Clinton or Obama will win the election. McCain isn’t your normal Republican, and he has a large cross-over appeal. The only difference between Obama and McCain…is that OBAMA will say anything to get elected. Just google his different statements at different times!

Unbelievable – rather than vote for Obama – if he is the legitimately elected candidate, dems would rather vote for McSame. Ok folks, get over your pity party and grow up – McSame will change nothing, it’s Bush III. Remember, tax cuts for the rich, wrong-headed foreign policy, conservative supreme court judges. Now cool your tempers, level your heads and start thinking logically. If you do so, you’ll stick with the Dems and run, not walk away from the notion of voting for John . Use some sense!!

I’m so tired of the media promoting Obama. He has no record to evaluate for Presidency. Matter of fact, he is a fake..but I guess it doesn’t matter, because the DNC and media will be ‘racist’ if they don’t promote Obama. My vote in Nov will be for John McCain. At least he fought for our country!

I love how people put words into a candidates mouth. Obama never said anything about reparations.
The problem is that people look at the other side as villainous, or judge on personality. Instead of evaluating the candidates and seeing what is in our interest. To say “leftist” is dumb. Liberal is a reference to reform, and George Bush did “A LOT” of reform from No Child, to Patriot Act. It is identifying with the issues not the title. Joe Lieberman is bitter, and hungry for power. His interests never laid with the people so much himself.

Wesley Weng what you fail to mention has to do with the rules, and what the candidates signed, which allowed for a revote, which Obama blocked, for his own self interest. Apparently wining is more important than Democracy to Obama and his supporters.

Ben,
As though every one of your friends are exactly like you. Have the same opinions, are responsible for your actions, and define you as a person…
I am refusing to say that he is not qualified because something his Pastor said, as I refuse to say that Clinton is not qualified because of Peter Paul, or Bosnia. What I am saying is that there is a clear difference in between political and personal life. If you want to bring personal life, people bring of the Clinton scandal. Does that illustrate anything about qualifications? NO.
For starters the “Straight Talk Express”
was talking about Al Qaeda dangers training in Iran. That is not true. “The Straight Talk Express” mentioned being Pro-Life, and switched positions three times in the course of the primaries. “The Straight Talk Express” originally had timetables for the war and now announces he wants to be there for hundreds of years. Rather than float with a slogan. Get educated. Look it up. I have. I read everyday. I am a Pennsylvanian for Obama. I have been watching ALL caucuses. The Republican candidate of my choice was Ron Paul. I know where they stand. You are following some political pick up lines, and not the facts Ben. I am sorry you are wrong.

I follow primaries and results, but first off, I follow facts.
McCain did talk about being in Iraq for 100 years, but the comment is much different than how you say it.
He said that he didn’t mind if we were in Iraq for 100 years so long as our soldiers weren’t dying!
We have military bases in German and Japan. Most people want us to have a military base in Iraq, so long as our soldiers aren’t dying.
Also, many people want us to regain the respect of the world. I AGREE. That will not be achieved by abandoning Iraq at this moment. As soon as we withdraw, news stations across the world will be buzzing with pictures of the terrorists beheading anyone involved in the current Iraqi government. We need to support the right thing. We broke it. We MUST fix it!

Marina Moonlight your mistaken, it’s common knowledge why the vote was blocked by Obama, it’s not a misguided observation of Clinton supporters. It is just not in his best interest. There’s nothing standing in the way of a revote but Obama. Funding has been figured out, there is time, but Obama refuses to say yes.

Last line should have read. “Funding had been figured out, there was time, but Obama refused to say yes.”

And MI and FL with a falling economy, they are not going to vote against their interest and vote for a candidate who is continuing Bush’s Tax cuts. It is not to their advantage.

WHAT ABOUT Michigan & Florida? The Democratic Party is acting like a mafia or bunch of rogues. Why gang up on Hillary for a weakling like Obama? He has been associated with corruption and shady supporters. HILLARY SHOULD NOT BEND TO YOUR PRESSURE…..she should run AGAINST the party as AN INDEPENDENT if these attacks continue……we are not impressed with a CON ARTIST callled Obama

For those of you saying Michigan funding had been figured out… funding is the smallest aspect of the contest and one that has nothing to do FAIRNESS. If both states want their votes to count then both states should hold primaries… the ones where you go in the booth and vote. AND who is eligible, those who were deemed eligible to vote in the primary the first time. If you think the only object about holding primaries is a financial concern then your concept is flawed from the beginning.
The rules of contest have to be fair. AND the way you make it fair is to hold primaries that allow EVERYONE who voted the frist time to vote again. Do not disqualify a whole sector of the democratic party as suggested in Michigan and then say but we can hold a primary. THAT isn’t counting all the votes!
Lastly and I will keep saying it over and over. Michigan and Florida knew exactly what the consequences were when they held their primaries early. They have suffered consequences from the Republicans in the primaries and will suffer consequences from the Democrats…. UNLESS you hold another primary in which everyone deemed eligible to vote in the first primary can again vote in the second one.

but I do agree we should have abided by the rules. The rules that both candidates signed did have rules, and those rules allowed for a revote to seat the delegates of both states. People aren’t whining because their standing up for their rights, and Obama being disingenuous in spreading a misconception, has attributed to your lack of knowledge on the issue.

Pete in Texas… Last time I checked the Caucuses Obama won in Texas. Why is he a weakling?
He won more. Thats not weak. He is more transparent. That shows strength. Lying and not fessing up to mistakes is weak.

Emilianna
Could you please list the lies you talked about?

Why change parties and vote for a democrat. If Michigan and Florida want their votes to count for a democratic nominee then hold a primary! AND allow everyone who was eligible to vote in the first primary vote in the second primary. THAT IS FAIR… Don’t make the public have to finagle around or change parties in order to cast a vote for the nominee of their choice.

Rotweil…I don’t care how you look at it, a re-vote would not have been fair. You also neglect to mention that Hillary agreed that FL and MI should not count before it was convinent for her. Obama said that he would agree to whatever DNC proposed as long as it was fair. Please stop blaming Obama for the Problem in MI and FL just another stragety for Hillary’s supporters. Be honest and call it for what it is!

Emilianna it really doesn’t matter what you or I think of the revote, It was part of what both candidates signed as one of the two rules specified for each state to regain their delegates. That rule allowed for each state to submit a new plan, (the new plan being a revote), and I too am for the rules I know it’s not very convenient for Obama and his supporters, but Democracy should be the issue, not convenience

Harold Ickes, in charge of superdelegate “relationships” for the Clintons, has few if any next-generation democrats in his little black book of chits.
His only leverage is his reputation for crushing non-believers. Looks like the new generation refuses to be bluffed out of the game.

I am so glad the democratic insiders are finally making their move. May be Hillary will join the republican party where she belongs. It is time to rally around Obama to victory in November. It is time to put an end to this political dynasty strategy, and give washing the face lift it has long needed.
Democrat for the White House !

Georgia, Right on if Fla, and Mich. don’t count there is no Democratic Party, lets see how Mr. Whine does missing 30 % of Hillary supporters.

Hillary already had many of the top behind her he is still playing catch up so like Bill said chill And there is no way you can win without the party united ask ted Kennedy and Jimmy carter hello 1980. 1968

If Obama is to do all for us why didn’t he take care of his own people in his state with his slumlord friends

It concerns me that Obama is getting this support. I truly feel these people will regret their backing of him. His whole campaign is scary.

Let’s get serious – Obama would not even be in the race if the Wright scandal had hit in January. As it is, he has only a razor-thin lead. Hillary is way ahead in PA, WV and KY. The media is obviously panicked about a prolonged fight and is trying to anoint Obama. Ridiculous.

o, I don’t want Obama to give Hillary anything, I want her to have the majority vote for her, and if they don’t, than that is what the people decided, as it now, that’s not what we have if two states votes don’t count. As a Dem, I have always voted Dem. I will not vote Republican, but if the FLA and MI issue stays as is, it will be the first time I won’t be voting in the General election, and the first time I’ll be ashamed to be a Dem in my 30 years as a Dem.

o, and then there you go asking for the tax returns lol

Obama won 12 states in a row – before the Wright scandal. Wishful thinking is not going to unload all the ammo that he’s handed the Republicans.

Wright will be old news in Nov. And his favorable rating has gone up dispite this

Hillary can’t hurt the Democratic Party. She is a looser and will just go away and hide under a rock. She has served a purpose by being such a dreadful person, and making Obama look so good in comparison. He is now, Obama the Dragon Slayer. He has already shaved 6% off her lead in Pennsylvania and looks set to go on and sweep the rest of the primaries. Then he can campaign in Florida and Michigan unopposed and unify the party. Clinton can’t do that, she has run out of support and money. I feel a bit sorry for poor old bomb bomb McCain. He won’t even know what hit him.

I do not believe Hillary is being treated properly by the media or by hierarchy of her own Party. They both have bought in to the Karl Rove theory – If you can’t beat her, fair and square, thrash her to death.
They are all proclaiming ‘landslide ‘ Obama as they victor while it is quite possible for this race to change because the margin is not that overwhelming. I will be like of other Democrats in the fall – if Hillary is not treated fairly by her own Party ( I could care less about the media ) and sit out the General Election. This is not a threat – it is a promise.

If we’re going to do guilt by association, then I guess Rezko and Wright are to be part of this. We can spin this all day long if everyone really wants to.

All I’ve got to say is, Hillary Supporters are 1/2 of the Democrats voting, and will not forget the SuperDelegates who do not vote for Hillary……..hopefully those SuperDelegates want to retain their seats when we vote again in 2 years…..I think the obama-supporting SuperDelegates should be challanged for their Democratic seats by other Democrats—–they very well could lose their seats, because it would be brought up that the incumbant Democratic politician backed obama….
Win or lose, Hillary Supporters have VERY VALUABLE VOTES to speak their minds with. The biggest issue we Hillary Supporters can gain movement and “FORWARD CHANGE” on is the DisEnfranchised Michigan and Florida votes and their Delegates:
Hillary Supporters can refuse Howard Dean’s suggestion to contribute to the General Election campaign fund UNTIL THE MICHIGAN & FLORIDA VOTES & THEIR DELEGATES ARE COUNTED.
obama supporters and others can say that “those threats won’t work, and blah blah blah”—-but we are American and we deserve to boycott and can use our vote HOW WE SEE FIT TO USE IT.
How’s THAT for obama’s so-called “power to Unite people”??? His statement is ONLY 1/2 TRUE, else he has a lot of beggin’ and MORE promising to do……

Maurice, yeah my point is spin usually does go Nowhere, and really isn’t going to bring gas cost down, help the economy, or any of the other real issues that face the nation. It does require though a fair election process.

Am I concerned that a bunch of freshmen senators are voicing support for Obama? Not really. It makes sense that as “newbies” they would be pursuing the “next new shiny thing”. More troublesome is that the DNC is not succeeding in reining in premature endorsements by superdelegates now that the race is very close. It tells me that the DNC is talking out of both side of its mouth. That they risk alienating further those Clinton supporters who are ready to bolt if it appears that the DNC is tipped in Obama’s favor. Her supporters are not stupid. If it appears that support is lining up behind their “boy” Obama, some voters in the upcoming states may think it’s just easier to go with the DNC “backed” candidate. Clinton supporters will not accept empty rhetoric while superdelegates appear to independently come out to support Obama before the remaining primaries are held. Again, we’re not stupid.

Gwen, Caucus results – the most undemocratic way of running an election. Check out the sites that detail abuses by the Obama campaign. Somehow, I’m thinking that caucuses will go the way of the Atari – your generation should remember that!

Whether you like the Cacuses or not.. they are part of the process. In fact Bill Clinton took Texas under the same process that Hillary lost Texas. It is silly to count who won a state by the popular vote when the popular vote does not elect a party candidate nor our next President. The media and those keeping tally should count a state won in the same way they win the nomination… via the delegate count.
Hillary did not win Texas… Barack did. Whether you like it or not… the popular vote does not win anything in the US or we would be saying President Gore instead of President Bush.

cattpam:
as I said…..
WHAT caucuses???
There ARE NO caucuses in the General Election against McCain…….
(o no, somebody’s in trouble if they get the Nomination……)

I really think McCain would lose to Obama. Look how Obama got the youth to come out and vote. No one under 40 will vote for McCain. They just can’t relate to him. Obama will also have older people vote for him. I just don’t see McCain winning

Do these fools know how many Democrats are going to crossover in November if the elitist leftwing nutjobs are able to steal the votes of true Democrats? WE will never vote for you Obama nuts again

ok, cattpam: go out on the Web and tell me EXACTLY HOW MANY CAUCUSES ARE LEFT in the Nomination Process…..oh, and DON’T COUNT Puerto Rico, because they recently CHANGED from a caucus format to a PRIMARY…..
I’ll wait while you search…..

PLEASE tell the folks in Florida and Michigan that it is NOT Clinton’s nor Obama’s fault that their Primary votes don’t count. Bombard your state govermnents for making the change against the rules of the DNC. It is important to pay attention to the laws and resolutions that local and state goverments put in place. IF the delegates are seated at the convention, they should be divided equally or not at all. In the end Florida and Michigan voters will get to cast a ballot in November. See you at the polls.

o: …..but the OTHER AMERICAN STATES HAVE YET TO VOTE ON THEIR CHOICE OF A NOMINEE…..unless obama wants to DisEnfranchise THEM, ALSO…..sounds like he wants to, having his “endorsers” do his dirty work and call for her to “withdraw”……
o, but wait until after PA votes…..meet ya back on this blog the night AFTER their Primary and we’ll discuss it further……..

Sounds good… because she need to win every state left by 65% or a 15 point margin over Obama… I dont think that will happen! So sure I will meet you here after the Pennsylvania Primary and we will see if she took the state by at least 15 points.
I like Hillary.. I just like Barack better and I think he will not only be our nominee but our next President!

JoseyJJ…
AGAIN…Florida knew the rules and broke the rules. If Florida wants it’s votes counted then Florida needs to hold another primary. If Hillary wins that primary then she wins the primary. But taking the results of a primary that broke the rules should not happen. What happens in 4 years when another breaks the rules because they dont like the order they placed in by the DNC.
AND again I say… if I lived in Florida or Michigan I would be mad as hell also.. I just would be mad as hell at the state officials who chose to move the primary and damn the rules. That is where you anger should be and your effort should be to get them to hold a legitimate primary.

Excellent post, The Real DCVoter !
THAT is the TRUTH, even if people don’t want to acknowledge it….

The court case for FL that asserts the DNC violated the constitutional rights of its voters by not treating all states equally for scheduling (2 states were allowed to move up their primary/caucus dates and 2 were punished) is valid and was sent back to the district court level for refiling now that the voting has occurred (it was considered a procedural error to file suit prior to the voting). Attorneys on behalf of FL voters vow to take it all the way to the US Supreme Court. The attorneys are correct… if the DNC had simply said no state can vote before Feb 5, all the voters would have been treated equally (equally bad is just as fair as equally good). Because they were not, and the penalty imposed disenfranchised the voters because of the deeds or decisions of a select few, then I think it does appear to be a constitutional rights issue of all voters and not related to the DNC’s rights to run their primaries as they see fit. Schools, businesses, agencies, citizens, etc. have the right to run their operations and lives as they see fit IF AND ONLY IF they do not violate constitutional rights. Why should the DNC be immune to law?

Whether or not it is following the rules to not seat MI or FL, Obama’s refusal to allow a revote will cost the Democrats those state. He ran ads in FL and still lost. The Democrats are giving up one of the most give me elections in history. Obama can not win the swing states. He has run the most devisive campains (Bill Clinton’s fairy tale comment was about Iraq, not race). He is part of the Cook County political machine. Wright and Rezco are not the end of troubling associations. This is going to be a bloodbath.

o. There are many politicians and non-politicians with degrees from ivy league schools. In fact, your boy Bush is one of them. It obviously means nothing with regards to intelligence since we know those degrees can be bought. Obama is a silver spoon baby, related to Bush, and may or may not have valid degrees. In any case, it has no correlation to the issue of Obama’s false claim of being a Professor. He gave some lectures… he was not a Professor.

The Commander Guy I agree, Wikipedia has become just an easy source for them to write what they want and use for their own purpose, because of the format they use to obtain info.

question o which part of what you in your last post qualifies Obama for POTUS?

o, I guess I’m to take it from your answer, that you don’t think Hillary is the candidate, but you can’t come up with anything from his history that you’ve written that quailifies Obama.

O, come on man… I’m not intending to tear you down… I’m just joking around. Everyone needs to turn the focus outwards… We are missing a golden opportunity here… Its two on one… If we could both go after Mcain, instead each other, than whoever comes out on top here, we will all win.( I still like Obama though) STOP THE MADNESS!!

Mr. Obama has no chance of being US President after Wright story. He should distinct himself from Wright 20 years ago. No one is stupid to vote for someone who doesn’t like America. As Hillary said, we have no choice when selecting a relative but we do have for a pastor.

One last note though Matt, I do wish also we could be on the same side against the Republicans come Nov. I love to debate them. But for me there’s an issue with Fla and MI, that for many other Hillary supporters, as well of the voters for those two states, that could prevent me from participating at all. Can’t vote for a Rep. would like to be able to vote for a Dem like I usually do, and feel good about it. That can’t happen for me though without a fair resolution for Fla and MI.

We’ll be fine, and they will work something out, I’m sure… One thing I know in my life, is that no matter what, people usally worry about things that end up working themselves out in the end. One way or another.. We have to remember everyone that Mcain got beat down by…Gulp… Bush.. If bush can beat him, than Obama or Hillary can too… Finally we don’t have a boring canidates that doesn’t make people fall asleep when listening to them.
(I still like Obama though)

The DNC, Obama and his supporters could have fixed the mess the Dems are in, by first really working to fix the problem with FLA and MI, instead of blocking all the solutions. They also want Hillary to concede, so they can then make Obama the nominee, seat FLA and MI afterwards in a masquerade of Democracy, to then make those two states feel included, and supposedly give the Dems a chance to win in Nov. How can this be considered by the world community to exemplify an open and transparent elections’ process, that can be seen as truly expressing what Democracy really is about, if two of the 50 states don’t even have a voice? If this was something we saw of another country, we would be very outspoken in disagreement toward that country as not truly being a valid Democratic process. Fix it now, so it is a real Democracy, rather than later, and only showing an appearance of one.

The DNC, Obama and his supporters could have fixed the mess the Dems are in, by first really working to fix the problem with FLA and MI, instead of blocking all the solutions. They also want Hillary to concede, so they can then make Obama the nominee, seat FLA and MI afterwards in a masquerade of Democracy, to then make those two states feel included, and supposedly give the Dems a chance to win in Nov. How can this be considered by the world community to exemplify an open and transparent elections’ process, that can be seen as truly expressing what Democracy really is about, if two of the 50 states don’t even have a voice? If this was something we saw of another country, we would be very outspoken in disagreement toward that country as not truly being a valid Democratic process. Fix it now, so it is a real Democracy, rather than later, and only showing an appearance of one.

What a revote does regared are the rules, and what the candidates signed, which invovled two rules, one of which allowed for a new plan ( the new plan being a revote ) to be brought to allow the two states to regain their delegates. It was part of what each candidate agreed to when they signed it,

now back to Obama, I am going to explain this once because its a once-in-a-lifetine statement im making even if Obama wins even though im a Clinton fan and Im A.A. man, is that if Obama cant fix the problems of the USA democrats will lose in 2012 my Obama friends say he a once in a lifetime leader, yeah right, here is the list of problems he will have to face in Jan 2009 and some of these are urgent and looming problems 2010, ’11, and ’12.
1.Home foreclosures
2.Iraq
3.Iraq
4.Social Security
5.Medicare
6.Did I mention Iraq
7.Judical Retirement(we cant have fights with GOP over judges we’ll lose.)
8.Immigration
9.Jobs
10.wage stagflation
11.the national debt(which such be #1)
12.Healthcare(which should be #2)
13.Broken education system
14.Taxes
15.Weak US dollar
16.broken election process
Okay Obama fans lets see, if he messes up just one up, even tough he didnt create this mess was for him to clean it up who is he going to blame George W he already he is going back to the ranch. Now my girl Hillary she has been bashed on for everything and she is second place as we speak. she can take the hit for not curing our ill’s and still when relection 2012 why because people know when Bush leaves office it takes 8 years to clean it up. Here is another history maker for u Obama Bandwagon supporters he will also the first African American president not to be elected, So even if dont like hillary think about would like 4 years as with him or 16 years with the both of them.

DO we want the “people’s Republic of Barraka” shoved down our throats or do we want our Freedom to choose.
When service men and women and national guard’s are away on duty and cannot be available to caucuss It is denial of their right!!! Plain and simple!!!.OBAMA is only Pressent to collect votes and deny “people” their.
In which coutry do you se this kind of practice? Not in a free country.

Klobuchar has just lost one vote in the next election for her lack of judgment.

I dare the DNC and Howard Dean ignore the voters of Michigan and Florida !!! If that happens we will vote for McCain !!!

MI and FL are two most important states in deciding presidency in upcoming elections.

This Independent voter finds it both sad and hard to believe that some Democrats would rather vote for McCain/More War/More Bush rather than vote for Obama.
You’re allowing the Clinton’s “kitchen sink strategy” rent too much space in your heads.

Just an observation:
We are not allowed to say anything about the candidate Obama ,as we are called RACIST. What do you think will happen if he was elected ? Freedom of Speech is already threatened by blacks.
I don’t want further eroding of my rights
I will vote MCCain!

Claire McCaskill of Missouri is the sorriest excuse of a woman I have ever seen. She said on TV that she was supporting Obama because her TEENAGE DAUGHTER THREATEND TO NEVER SPEAK TO HER AGAIN IF SHE DIDN’T SUPPORT OBAMA.

good point tess, These exit polls are not scientific. remember that everyone has the right to remain silent about who they voted for. Their are no public records that show who a person voted for or what their education level is. It’s all just whatever the pollee want’s to tell the poller. And who knows how many people lied about their education.

You Know What……
I am sick and tired of the mad rants of Clinton supporters. What the HELL are you so mad about? Who are you fighting with? If you want to support Mrs. Clintor than go on and do so. We support others. We are not mad at you or her. My God, aren’t we all grown ups. Have some respect for yourself and your candidate. It is a real turn off and if Mrs. Clinton wins the nomination
(which I hope not as an Obama supporter) she does not need her primary supporters turning everybody off.
I really wish Mrs. Clinton would give some leadership to you all on this and show you that it is better to have grace. Nobody likes a sore loser or an ugly winner. Come on.

This Florida/Michigan issue isn’t just about these candidates and this election, it is about all the candidates and all the future Presidential elections.
This is really a contest between
Iowa/New Hampshire v. Fl./MI.
Both parties commited to the smaller states of Iowa/New Hampshire to keep their first in the nation status. These little states count on this for their economy. Additionally, candidates count on it because these are much cheaper local markets and it is cheaper and easier to travel around these states letting America and the voters get to know you. It is not just historical, it is practical. If you drive the early primary states to Fl/MI or NY/CA you drive many potential candidates out of even attempting to enter the race.
If we go along with FL/MI this year, what about the next election. I mean, I feel that the parties, both parties, as a matter of honor, should stick to their representations to the two states that did not break any rules nor tried to use their size and potential to get an unfair advantage over other states.
I am also totally fed up with Florida and believe that it will not be helping to elect a Democratic President anyway. Look at who it has elected as Governors for its last several election cycles. Florida is a wash. After 2000 they should feel enough humility to not go around threatening to cause the Dems to lose any MORE Presidential elections. I am of the mind to make Florida pay when she goes Republican this time and we still win (because we will without her) and anything she needs from the Feds should be REAL hard for her to get!
Now, if someone wants to talk about MI finding a fair way that considers the interest of not just these two Dem candidates but all future candidates and the first in the nation states of Iowa and New Hampshire, let’s see the proposal.

The Obama supporters are the ones who come out to trash Hillary in the first place. I remember reading all blogs and articles a few months ago, 90% of the comments is so hateful toward Hillary. What did Hillary do to make you guys so angry? If you can come up with hundred of reasons, I can tell you thousand of reasons right now why we hate Obama and his supporters too. Just to let you know one thing. I will make sure all my friends in church and comunity, all my family members WILL NOT come out in November to vote for Obama if he is nominated.He will lose more votes from the Demorats in Primary that he can never imagine!

“i will never in a million years ever vote for the queen of sleeze Hillary.
Its time she learned the world doesnt revolve around her wants and needs.”
Posted by: lauepow | Mar 31, 2008 4:27:07 P. If you are a Democrat, this is the sort of trash that’s making me reconsider sitting out the election if Obama is the nominee. I’ll assume that you are a Republican who will vote for McCain in any case. Obama will get my vote if he is the nominee because I will never vote Republican ever.

This primary election isn’t about who is better qualified to be president, it is about who actually has a chance at winning in November. Obama has blown it. If Hillary Clinton doesn’t get the nomionation democrats can pretty much forget winning.

Please, Obama never plays the race card, he’s been forced to respond to it but trust me, race is the last thing he wants to discuss. Obama has tanned skin but was raised in a white home by his white family. So as far as i’m concerened as a AA woman, the closest experince he’s ever had to having a close black family is the one he has with his wife Michelle. Thank God for that. I don’t care about any of that, I just want a DEM in the White House.
I only pointed that out to say that his skin maybe darker than a typical white person but his experiences have been centered around white people. I’m sure he’s struggled with his identity for a long time…it’s must be very difficult to be bi racial, unless you are stupid like Tiger Woods.

Hillary is no more experienced than Obama…this is on the job training. Hillary is just older. This is one job that you actually have to do to say that you have experience. Both of their policies are the same and they are both imperfect because they are human. Please give me a break. There’s nothing wrong with either of them. We all have our preference but if you are a DEM vote DEM regardless who it is. They will both beat McCain and make great Presidents of course with mistakes. Enough of this crap already!!!

McCain will not get the youth vote for one and that is hugh. And Kerry was boring and uninspirational. Did anyone really like him

First of all it is easy to build a campaign against someone when you can make them affraid. Just follow me. George W Bush did it to Kerry we all know that
John Mccain will be able to mobilize a whole new demographic of voters in Novemeber that normally don’t vote. They dont watch the news they don’t read the paper they didn’t go to college and likely even dropped out of high school. follow me so far?

People do crazy things when they hate. Remember JASPER, TEXAS? LAramie Wyoming Gay black persecution. This wasn’t 40 years ago. It was in the 10-15 years. And that was happening in small towns. What happens when it spreads and all of these people begin to hear that a terrorist is running for president?
Obama will be easy to build a case against and guys like KARL ROVE are watering at the mouth…

Two other words… SWIFT BOAT.
Kerry was put into question because he supposedly threw his medals over the fence at the white house.
It sounds a little unpatriotic doesn’t it?

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The citizens of this great nation finally seeing who the most talented person is.Not this time in electing a DUMMY see Bush.
Obama change in POLICIES and innovative thinking in making America catch up and surpass some of the other countries going into the 21st century.
No way America should be in debt to China and others.
America have had enough of electing Idiots and paying the price later.
Obama 08 ..finally someone with serious TALENT.

Rev. Wright hasn’t even reached the masses yet. General Election voters aren’t even concerned about it yet. And when they do all of these rumors and myths and lies about him will snowball out of control costing the democrats another election.

Obama was a community organizer? Please explain that one. I have searched the web and found nothing about that. Post some URL’s to show us his years and years of organizing and helping the needy. All I have seen is a few speeches to raise money.
Michelle Obama has much more experience in that from what I have read.
Of course Hillary has over 20 years of community service from helping children in the areas of education and healthcare to helping migrant workers. She was also a hard core supporter of Civil Rights but yet some Obama supporters have called me a racist for saying that I will be voting for Clinton. Simple minded individuals for saying such things.

Preaching Nostradamus as fact… and using fear tactics. Injecting race, and religion in America… A melting pot. A nation of immigrants. Hillary said that she did not want the vote of someone who votes on such gutless credentials… And that’s all race, “Nostradamus” are. His voting record opposed the war the whole time. Stop putting words in their mouths.

I could agree with you on that. But we are not talking about us. John Kerry lost because of less. Remember the swift boat ads? Politics doesn’t have anything to do with waht is true. I has everything to do with perception. To democrats the perception of Obama is good right now. He is new and exciting. When the republicans trash the general populations perception of him it’s over…

And he will be so easy to do it to. Because most of it he has done to himself. And let his friends and family run their big mouths. That is why experience matters. Hillary Clinton told a few lies but all politicians tell lies. At leaste she is experienced enough to not get into such a huge conspiracy during election time.

Oat08…I COULDN’T AGREE WITH YOU MORE! I’M AFRICAN-AMERICAN AND I’M NOT AN OBAMA SUPPORTER. I’VE RECIEVED ALL TYPES OF RACIST COMMENTS FROM OTHER AFRICAN-AMERICANS BECAUSE I HAPPEN TO SUPPORT HILLARY CLINTON…I CAN’T UNDERSTAND THE IGNORANCE OF SOME OF HIS SUPPORTERS, AND THESE ARE THE ONES SHOUTING “CHANGE”.

last post should have ended: You must have gotten involved last week to make such a silly comment.

OpusRooster | Mar 31, 2008 2:28:19 P
lol
What with the “not get OUR votes”?
You have more than one vote? lol
Stop playing the toad in blowing up yourself so much.
Get used to the idea of President Obama, WITH OR WITHOUT your ONE VOTE!

If Obama should get the nomination, I for one, will be very interested in seeing if Obama’s numbers don’t drop when the supporters that claim they’re for him, go back over to the Republican side. With all the politics I’ve seen in the attacks on Clinton on blogs, which remind me of the same old Republican arguments they’ve used for years, I can’t help but feel it’s just a ploy to get Hillary out of the way, so the Republicans can have an easier time in a campaign against Obama. I hope I’m wrong, and the support for Obama is really what it appears, but having gone thru 30 years of elections and having seen the Republicans line since 96 on the net, I don’t think I am. Either way, without Fla and MI counting there will be Dems like myself that won’t participate past the convention, other than to watch and see if the tide doesn’t turn. I tend not to want to post this since I don’t like conspiracy theories when I see them, but it’s been nagging at me for a while so what the heck, no one is listening anyway.

OpusRooster…If The Florida delagtes aren’t seated at the DNC, they to to look at Florida’s Republican controlled legistlature for the blame…not Obama. The Florida Legistlature voted to move up the primary eventhough they knew the consequences.

Barabara Bush said on larry king a few months ago that if Hillary Clinton ran for president they would have a very hard time defeating her. John McCain said “I have no doubt that senator Clinton would make a good president.” Obama is getting support from the republican becasue he’ll be easier to beat. Remeber the game show the weakest link? PA has had 100,000 republicans change their registration to democrat and well known republicans are using reverse psychology to get Brrack Obama the nomination. I just wish Hillary Clinton would run with John McCain. They are very very good friends.

LowB4, if you think the republicans don’t want obama you must also think that little green men fly down in UFOs. He is an easy beat.

jh09, Texas Lil what news channel are you guys watching LOL actually where are you getting your information from so we all can understand what you guys are talking about. Texas (Halliburton / KBR land) screwed itself and no matter what goes on down in Texas. Texas has been and shall be for the foreseeable a racist corrupt place (Bush is from where) that give the rest of America a bad name.

So all you Hillary backers who would vote for McCain if Obama gets the nomination, you’d rather continue the tax cuts for the rich and the status quo in Iraq than have your ego bruised over backing the wrong horse? Just checking…

I support Hillary. If not her McCain because Obama needs more time. And he should ditance himself from the controversy around him for a few years.

Hey iliad, what are you basing that comment on? So far Obama has weathered everything thrown at him, and without resorting to raking all the muck surrounding the Clintons. You think the GOP will be as kind to Hillary? Even one of McCains top advisors has said he will sit it out if Obama gets the democratic nomination.

Well liars go places Chris. People who hate america don’t People get killed because people hate and fear them. People don’t moibilize against a liar. They don’t get killed because of lies. They mobilize because of hate and fear. THE GOP will have an EASIER time building a base of fear against Obama than they will because of Hillary Clinton telling a few little white lies. I have lied, I’m sure Mccain has lied, JFK lied. And Chris, I’m sure even JESUS CHRIST TOLD A LIE once or twice. Everyone does it sometimes. But this election isn’t about who is really the best fit. It is about who can win in November. Obama won’t.

Rotweil, I agree with you on certain things. I think in the beginning Dean punished Mi and Fl knowing full well that they would be seated. Hillary was so far ahead even I assumed she would be the nominee and I’m sure every else did too. I don’t think Dean thought it would be an issue. Who knew Obama would be a formidable canidate. Dean has made a mess of this and needs to figure out how to seat them. And I thought the republicans crossed party lines to keep Hillary in the race. It will be interesting to see who repuclicans vote for in Pa

If they aren’t seated, not only will we lose but I think the party will be severly damaged if it hasn’t been already. So you think the original plan was that republicans vote for Obama, interesting.

lol yeah I know maryland, like I said earlier I hesitated to even say anything, I hate conspiracy theories too, and always condemn them, but I really didn’t think anyone would even pay attention, I have felt this way for a while from seeing the comments that I’ve never seen in my years on blogs from a Dem, it’s always been republicans talking the hate of the Clintons and seeing it from (supposed ) Dems this time, has been a strange experience for me..

Yes, Dean said they wouldn’t matter because he thought Hillary had it locked up. He thought super tuesday would end it and primaries after that were just be a formality. Little did he realize that every state has an impact on this election. He says they are going to be seated but I’d like to know how. It has to be fair to both canidates.

So far Hillary Clinton has been the only one to oppose counting the votes in Florida and Michigan, but that was when she was ahead in the process, many months ago, when she thought she was the heir apparent and crown princess of the Democratic party. Since then, voters who vote by the rules that she had agreed on have given her a rude awakening–and subsequently, she has been the champion of rule changing, because quite frankly, her candidacy is sunk in its own muck, and…she desperately needs more time, more votes, and more fools to support her. Now to count a “vote” in retrospect, where other candidates did not even appear on the ballot, is a far cry from “democratic” in most fair-minded persons view. To do so, would be to discount the votes of the vast majority who did play by the rules. She needs to quit playing “poor me,” stop whining, and stop playing on peoples delusions! Finish the race, and make a fool of yourself, but don’t whine when you get rejected, and don’t expect people to hand you an election because you’re a political hack–and a gender-based novelty.

Obama’s relationship with Rev Wright shows why we should elect him president. Obama’s election goal is to bring everyone to america’s table, even those who are disillusioned and have let hate taint their hearts example Rev Wright. He has steadfastly been even tempered, kept an open mind and stuck to HIS ideas for what america can achieve not been a blind follower who does the biding for others. Try judging Barack Obama based on his actions for a change, although those who don’t like him would surely much rather ignore his inclusive political leadership and just continue to talk about Rev Wright as if he is Obama’s god.

OpusRooster – Ickes, a newer mouthpiece for Clinton voted against Florida and Michigan to get their delegates seated…think about that one. Obama followed the rules and now your saying let them count? how fair is it that a cheater wins…she should not have campained there and should have pulled her name from the ballot…I bet the counts would have voted had SHE followed the rules.

Hillary’s supporters want to RE VOTE MI and FL not COUNT only and not because we are loosing but to be FAIR, every state the vote should be counted.
That’s why we need to RE VOTE.
Anyway why Obama does not want to RE VOTE, what is he afraid of?
He keeps saying “Unite the country” .
In this case he doesn’t.

What is it with this Hillary?
She saids she has something like 45 years of experience I believe at last count? Is the world’s smartest woman. Is ready to fight, lie, argue, steal, cheat and do whatever it takes to gain the nomination. Shes’ in it to win it. Wheeeee I’m having fun & just warming up.
But everyplace she goes here in Pa. she has to have an escourt, one or two of Rendell Raiders has to take her by the hand, & coach her through the meetings. They even have their people in the audience to ask the questions. What a bummer!
With all this experience You would think by now she would be able to function on her own. Lead, take charge, organize, be inspirational instead of the people coming away depressed. SO SAD!
All we hear at these meetings is that she needs more money, more help, more photo opts, more pot, more medicine, anything to make her appear presidential. SO SAD!

Radmanaustin: Young voters,young at heart voters? Do you think Obama is the only one who has young voters?? Out of 26 million voters to date Obama leads by approximately 100 thousand votes, not counting Michigan and Florida. Sounds like a tie to me. Should half of the voters just shut up and and quit so we can have the first Black President? Let’s just throw all the Hillary supporters under the bus? Obama is every bit the politician. What has Barack Obama done for White people? What has Hillary Clinton done for Black people? What has either done to bring us together? Being President isn’t going to bring us together. The next President will have many problems much greater than race. We need to nominate the person who can get our economy back on track,create new jobs and get people back to work,get healthcare for everyone,get funding for better education at all levels for all, get social security and Medicare secure for the future,resolve the illegal immigration problem,AND continue to fight the war on terror while untangling us from Iraq..those are just for starters.. I don’t think you can say that supporters of Hillary Clinton don’t matter or are not young and energized. Obama supporters are blinded by their own tunnel vision. The swift boat is waiting for Obama.

BTW pablo, you mentioned Ickes voting against the Fla and MI delegates, but fail to mention he was then acting as a member of the Rules and Bylaws Committee “not acting as an agent of Sen. Clinton when he voted in August of 07, also you failed to mention him saying ” Those were the rules, and we thought we had an obligation to enforce them”. He was playing by the rules, just like the the rules that were part of what each candidate signed, where one of the two rules invoved each staet being able to bring in a new plan to the DNC to regain their delegates. That new plan, like I’ve said, before being a revote.

I should restate the above comment from “Obama that campaigned ” to, it was Obama that ran tv commercials in FLA.

I think the Obama folks talk out of both sides of their mouths. One the one hand they say Florida and Michigan cannot count because that was the rule. On the other hand, they also say the superdelegates should not overturn the pledged delegates but that was the rule before the primary process started. Only difference is that a Michigan and Florida revote would favor Hillary. Obama is just another overrated nobody from Illinois with no experience. Go Hillary!!

I do wish there would be revotes in Fla. and Mich. The states messed up (and are STILL playing chicken with the DNC–it is ridiculous to blame that on Obama). But it is not the regular voters fault. “If I ran the zoo” they would MAKE them do revotes, but then should strip them of their superdelegates – -That way there would be some consequences that might deter more states from breaking other rules next time. But it would not be the innocent voters who got punished.
btw I am an Obama supporter – -and not the only one – who thinks Fla. and Mich should have a vote and Hillary should not drop out. I do want to see the Dems focus on campaigning against McCain though.
Although if one looks at the math, it is nearly impossible for Hillary to win, even including Fla. and Mich., I still don’t want for anyone to feel like they did not have a voice, and because of that so switch parties to vote for McCain no matter how far he is from them on the issues. they may regret it when their kids are drafted.
But I am just for making them have revotes – -there is no way the results of the previous “beauty contest” votes should count when voters were told they wouldn’t, and there was no campaigning except Clinton’s fundraisers. Still for the sake of peace I would not mind Fla as much but to count Mich. with only Clinton on the ballot would be ridiculous.

Wanda,
NO NO Don’t say “GOD BLESS OBAMA AND HIS CAMPAIGN…” just repeat what Obama’s pastor preeched to his audiences for the past twenty years..Obama and his wife habor hate, now hate will be in their way….We are not surprised.

Fla and MI go another day without being resolved.

Clinton supporters should read the article in Newsweek that came out yesterday under the title ” Substance Abuse
Debunking a bogus claim about Clinton’s legislative record” a google search under that title will bring it up. Very interesting article which again documents false and misleading info about Hillary.