Obama Condemns Wright’s Statements

Greta, Barak is the candidate of Unity, HOPE, togetherness and lifting-up each other. He will be the President of all Americans, therefore will not accept nor tolorate suhc incendiary statements from anybody on earth, he is resolute and will fight these kind of divisive rethorics and ideas with his last energy. Obama08

BKMC: Can you tell me why he didn’t fight this evil racist rhetoric for the 20 years he was listening to the hate in his church, and only now denounces it when he has been found out by the MSM?
Mr.Obama does not tell the truth, and his trust and credibility have been thrown out the window.
When a video finally surfaces about him being in the audience agreeing with Pastor Writes racists sermons, he will have to step down

Jay and SJ, voting for McCain is a Bush third term, I am not usre that we are ready to swallow that. Secondly, there are two generations of black americans. The racial black Americans and the post racial post Americans and Abama belongs to that second generation of Americans. By giving him a chance because of who he is, America will be healing one wound and win against its own history. Let us judge Barak for his values and standards and his vision for America, the great nation on earth.

Does Obama sound believable? NO
Noticing that after the report that he knew about his pastor statements in August, 2007, Obama now moved the date of having knowledge to “the beginning of his campaign”.
Obama seems to suggest that he considered leaving the church is not because the pastor is retiring. Why did Obama hire the pastor as member of his campaign?
If Obama wants people to believe him again and helps mending some fences, Obama must admit knowing of the pastor extremist view.
Considering the pastor was part of his campaign, Barack Obama should start writing letters of apology for those offended, specially the families of the innocent victims of the 9/11 attack after his pastor speech.

Malthusian77, there is no record of Rezko giving any money to Bill Clinton either. Plus I am told by my legal friends that The Peter Paul case will be throw out when it begins because they have many years of evidence of Mr. Peter Paul as being a liar and con man in the entertainment industry, so let’s see how that trial plays out before we get all excited. Hillary may be called as a witness , but she is not a defendant.

Malthusian77, you better learn how to read. That old pic proves nothing. He donated money to the Illinois Democratic party, still no direct donation to Hillary Clinton or Bill.
You forgot to mention thought that the donations directly to Obama went from $70,000 to $150,000 to now over $250,000.
You’re really not helping Obama out here.

Democrats will lose if Obama is the nominee. That was likely before Wright; it is a certainty now.
The media will not cover Obama’s declining prospects, however, especially in the post-Wright period. That much is also certain.

Who would you rather have as a spouse in the White House?
A man who is respected by foreign governments, has an accomplished record of civil rights and non-racist appointments in his administration, was successful in mediating peace in several areas of the world, who apologized for his sexual indiscretion, who has stood by his country and his family in spite of it all, continues to raise money to help the impoverished, worked with the Republicans to help victims of catastrophy, is loyal to the party, and is considered one of the most intelligent men in the world.
A woman who wrote a paper who blames and depicts the separatism at Princeton on the white population, who attends and is a member of a black separatist church, whose patriotism is questionable, who claims to have left corporate America for public service but serves as a VP in corporate America with a salary in the top 2% of the socioeconomic ladder, who blames another woman for her husband’s cheating, and who does not support the very political party that her husband is benefiting from.
During a redphone moment, I have no problem with Bill Clinton being there to advise Hillary Clinton. He has been there and knows what needs to be done. What would Michelle do? Tell Baraq to support Hamas because they consider the jewish people of Isreal unworthy? Remember she hasnt left the church or denounced Wright’s teachings.

Jake I still think you’re good reporter at ABC but what is it about the controversial pastor Wright that makes you stick so stubbornly to this issue? Hasn’t everything already been said in the five or so threads on the issue here in Political Punch?
You may, quite understandably, have forgotten about it, but Hillary is still in the race as well. Is there nothing to write about her? Well, for instance, according to the watchdog group Taxpayers for Common Sense, Hillary has secured 360 earmarks worth a combined $2.2 billion from 2002 to 2006 in all spending and authorization bills.
$2.2 BILLION… That is, Jake, American taxpayers’ money. Your money as well. The interesting thing, apart from the incredible amount itself, is that Hillary is not prepared to release these earmarks for the public to see and check.
I know, Hillary is secretive about everything that is about the flow of big money in Clintonia, but wouldn’t you as a political journalist agree that American tax payers deserve to know where these 2.2 BILLION dollars went?
Just a question, of course. You might disagree.

New RCP Average is now Obama by only 8/10 of a percent for the nomination. The gap has closed… so apparently Obama is losing ground after this Wright fiasco.
PA poll – Clinton +16%
NC poll – Obama +8%
The other state polls have been removed so we can expect new poll results soon.

This man was Obama’s spiritual advisor for twenty years. If Obama didn’t know he should have. This begs the question what else is it that Obama doesn’t know. I would rather he tell the truth than beat around the bush. This is enough for me to cast my vote elsewhere.

Let’s assume Obama didnt know. He was a member of a church that he had to 1) pledge allegiance to another country 2) has a documented doctrine of black separatism 3) gives a lifetime achievement award to Farrakahn that he admittedly knows about and lies as to what it was in the debate. Do we really want someone so stupid as to not know in the WH as President?

Jay, where we go from here is unite behind Hillary-encourage all who have not voted-Pa, NC and others to vote Hillary. If we stay on the issues plaguing our country-and listen to the plan Hillary has to solve them-we will defeat mccain in november-do not worry about any dirt they will bring up against her. remember she said she will not be swift boated- because she knows if the american people really care about this country and where it is headed-they will vote Hillary. I believe by the time november rolls around-after a summer of high gas prices, more housing woes-everyone will be listening to what she has to say and will unite behind her. What do you want to happen-Mccain and more war-and further tank our ecomony-or Hillary working to rebuild our country. with our help she will do it. lets give her a try. lets not cut off our nose to spite our face. If I had to have surgery-I would want the best surgeon out there to operate on me-one who knows exactly what to do. Hillary knows exactly what to do.
Hillary 08

DCVoter, you seem to have something against Obama if not against black people. I will ask you kindly to chill out a bit. McCain has the same problem with his spiritual adviser and other pastors. Would just want us to make a difference between the first generation of black americans and the second generation which are led by Jessy Jackson Jr, Obama, Patrick, etc. They want to turn the page and be post-racial and be post-partisan in politics so that the majority of the amercian in need will be served and big problems facing America will be addressed with a majority beyond party line and racial line. OBAMA08.

I heard that too. But then I heard Obama contacted those ministers to make sure they understood that he’s not against Rev. Wright just those comments.
I’m glad he set out this video. I will pass it on to other forums.

Sorry Tungsten, nice try, but I have spoken to quite a few black and white Obama supporters who are very upset, and said if they knew all of this before they voted for him, they would have voted for Hillary, and their main theme is they all have said they would not vote for Obama in the general, and these are fervent Obama supporters. Obama admitted in his own video there has been a shift in his support. How many supporters he has lost and how much damage this has done remains to bee seen, but don’t try and say there hasn’t been any damage to Obama’s base, because indeed there has.

Why is it that when a black person votes for Obama because of his color. Its called black pride.But if your white, your called a racist.

Tungsten: You can call BS all day. I am speaking the truth. Obama will never become President.

Reality is Obama fans, that he was up on McCain by 6 points 3 days ago, Here is the latest poll. He lost 10 point in a 2 days spread. It will just get worse in coming weeks.
Rasmussen Tracking 03/12 – 03/15
McCain Obama und
47% 43% 10% McCain +4.0%

Okay, so what exactly is your point???Hillary is hiding something or she would have revealed her info by now. When she IS forced to do so, Obama path to nomination will be clear.

BMKC, you didn’t read my post properly. She is releasing the last 6 years of tax return from 2008-2008

Vanessa you are mislead by propaganda. The facts are that Obama has lobbyists in his campaign, is the largest recipient of campaign funding from lawyers (the lobbyists), and voted against transparency in lobbying which Clinton voted for. He voted with Fiengold on another lobbying bill that some experts say was less stringent on lobbysit reporting requirements. He says one thing in his campaign but the facts dont support it. Just another typical politician telling you what you want to hear. Edwards is also not against lobbyists. His record shows he works with lobbyists, took money from trial lawyer associations which have lobbyists, and worked for Hedge Funds which have heavy lobbying in Congress. Any politician who claims they dont work with lobbyists or wants to get rid of them is lying to you. It is a large part of how things get done. Are you saying you think lobbyists trying to get bills passed and funding for better schools, cures for disease, medicine for the impoverished, and a host of other noble causes should be cripled and excluded from our system?

Does anybody else find it incredibly weird that the media is investigation Obama’s church yet Huckabee who himself is a preacher, the media NEVER EXAMINED his church or any of his sermons.
I think the media is indeed doing a DOUBLE STANDARD here.
Why isn’t the media examining McCain’s church’s sermons or Hillary’s church’s sermons? Why only Obama’s church sermons?
Perhaps the media is indeed racist?

maritza – Huckabee was never a viable candidate and therefore the media does not spend money to vet him that deeply. The vetting we see now is appropriate based on the election process.

DCVoter, could we remember that Hillary was the inevitable, all the polls were in her favor? Of course the name recognition was there before the real thin has started. Please let us be realistic and not to think that there is race in this race because of Obama, always Obama has between 25-30% of the white votes and in some states more. Let us focus on the message and the issues, I have the very strong conviction that Obama will be a better president than Hillary and McCain. Because he has judgement and command respect. Hillary in November will be a big disaster for the democratic party, she cannot win the general election, simple.

obama—-YIKES and BKMC -
let’s not forget about his poor judgement to remain a member of TUCC which teaches black separatism and the new pastor is pretty much the same as the old one… his judgement is to continue exposing his daughters to these teachings… and his wife shares in that judgement

Wow Harriet, talking about some christian that I’ve never heard of from back in the 70′s and 80′s. Anyone, any pastor that wants God to damn America is no good in my book.
I don’t care what the Republicans did back then, if McCain was a member of Jerry Falwell’s church for 20 years I would have a big problem with that, if Hillary was a 20 year member of a church whose pastor likes to say God should damn America and incite hatred for African-Americans with hate-filled comments from the pulpit, I would have a big problem with that. Hillary is looking a lot better to me since she doesn’t have any ties with extremist pastors.

BKMC – in a country torn apart by war with a failing economy, a leader with the same great speaking style as Obama united half the country behind him, he had the ability to mesmerize his audience with whatever he was talking about, he said “He who owns the youth, owns the future”, that country was Germany, the leader was Hitler… let us not make the mistake many germans made in their desparation for a better future and elect an unvetted candidate
This election is about more than Obama’s ability to mesmerize and energize voters. Clinton has a strong following that is energized behind her too. The difference is she has substance to go with it. She has a history that is sound. She is not a mystery to the voters. She doesnt ask us to trust her – she asks us to hold her accountable for what she has done and what she will do if she is elected President. Let the vetting nd the nomination process continue. The world is watching – let’s make educated decisions based on a combination of voting records, campaign promises, judgement, credibility, patriotism, experience, qualifications, and electability. We cant afford to do any less – it is our responsibility to our country, our world, and our future.

Yeah. Obama is condemning Wright’s teachings of hate now because they got caught.
Sure, Obama has been aware of Wright’s teaching for 20+ years and certainly been proud of this man for that long, so for him to claim ignorance of what Wright stands for is really an insult to our intelligence.
Republicans will destroy his candidacy in November. Not even, the liberal wing media (MSNBC, NPR, CNN, NBC)will be able to save him.
Look at what happened to Max Clelland of Georgia. This guy lost 3 limbs fighting wars for his country, and the Republicans were still able to brand him as unpatroitic and get him defeated in his senatorial re-election.

Obama–Yikes. Please let us remember that Obama is the only one candidate with good judgement in the race for 08. Like it or not, it is the fact. McCain said that US will stay in Irak for 100 years, Hillary is not connecting with anybody else than the less educated and the less fortunate, has no real life experience than being a wife. Old politics. So the only thing we need is to separate pastor Wright and his words from Obama and his vision, judgement and leadership for America.

BKMC,
You continue to trumpet without any logic to back your claim that Obama is a viable candidate. I think at best that is well up in the air. Just saw ABC evening news, its clear the press is moving in on this one like a pack of wolves. I would agree, that if he survives this one and emerges as believable then he is a viable candidate, but not the only viable candidate. He has impaired judgement in my opinion, but I’m only one vote. However, if he emerges as no longer believable by the American public, which is where this thing may be within the next week, then he is no longer viable. My best estimate is that right now he is down on believability probably 60/40 with the forces moving against him. It all depends on whether the press feels like he’s tried to pull a fast one on them. The ABC roundtable analyst said it best today when he said, “Those things can be checked”, referring to Obama’s claim that he did not know what that pastor said. Donna Brazille, also an African-American and a neutral Democrat implied that Obama’s claim will not stand.

BKMC – I am an Independent and Clinton supporter. The question of religion came up several days ago and I reserached it then so I already knew the answer. However, I am politically active and have been most of my life. If you want a good source of unbiased information, try starting at vote smart org website and federal sites to get facts and not just look at either candidate’s campaign information.

The media is only looking into Obama’s church because Obama claims the most influenctial person in his life is Pastor Wright.
Since there is not much known about Obama and his past, it seem natural to find out where he is coming from and how his views are shaped. In order to know what someone will do in the future, you have to know what they have done in the past.
Obama touts his “SUPERIOR” judgment over his competitors. What’s your conclusion after knowing that the two most important influence in his life are;
Tony rezko – who created and bankrolled his politial career
Pastor Wright – his mentor and spiritual guide.

Hey StepDown,
There is no double standard. Hate speech is universally unacceptable (but permissible under the Constitution). Equally permissible, but more valuable is speaking up against hate speech, with promptness. What is tragic is if an inspirational leader fells to confront hate speech by waiting at least a year, and only because there is a public outcry. In my opinion that does not a leader make.

How any of you can presume to instruct Sen. Obama to LEAVE HIS CHURCH is just beyond me. To assume that you know all there is to know about his church, his religious activities, to the point where you would presume to demand that he abandon his church of 20 years is just so arrogant & offensive. I have news for you: He’s not leaving his church, he’s not leaving the race, he’s still going to win this nomination and the presidency. Anyone swayed by the sermons of this pastor as an indicator of Obama’s fitness to be president is extremely small-minded and the coming Obama majority won’t need you anyway.

Westcoastmismessenger: Your last note came in as I was signing off. Yes, Obama is a great speaker. He also has the most cogent policies that outflank the Clintons’ best efforts. And we can all agree that McCain is just yet another Bush. (That pains me, because I voted for McCain in the primaries in 2000. I knew all along how bad “W” Bush would be. But with either Obama or Clinton, McCain is toast in the fall, despite his effective theatrics today.)

Gover,
The Barrett report redacted pages can be seen by any members of Congress, the pages are not missing as Goodman claimed. This pertains to Henry Cisneros in Bill Clinton’s administration, prior to 2000. This is a big yawner.

BKMC – Clinton does not have the military experience McCain has but that is not what foreign policy experience is. Clinton and McCain both have strong support from the military. Both have different types of foreign policy experience and both have been validated by experts and the RNC agrees. It is not just sitting on a committee on either count. If the RNC admits to her experience it must be valid since it is not to their advantage. Clinton has more support from military leaders, serves actively on more committees, and has an medal from the Sec of Defense.
I dont claim to be a military expert and Obama never served so he apparently doesnt think military experience is needed to be CIC. Obama used poor judgement accepting the chair of the EU committee which is pivotal as oversight for NATO operations in Afghanistan knowing full well he had no time to serve as chair. In fact he continues to use poor judgement by not holding a single hearing to ensure the military gets what it needs to capture OSL and win the war there. If he had good judgement, he would have declined the position and allowed someone with time to serve in that position. He was given a crucial responsibility in protecting this nation and he failed miserably. His excuse? He was busy campaigning. Tell that to all the soldiers who lost life and limb.

I just read the article on Newsmax by Jim Davis well Obama will have to come out now and call this man a liar, because he is saying he sat in the same pew with Obama when that sermon took place.
I guess the ball is now in Obama’s court until then if he cannot deny this report it would mean he lied to the people to save his skin.

BKMC – if you think our soldiers have not died and lost limbs in Afghanistan you are sadly misinformed.

Vanessa -
1) all cheaters lie about cheating until they are caught
2) he atoned and she accepted
3) she honored her vows of marriage and it has no relevance to her job performance or judgement
4) he is not running for President now so who cares about other affairs
5) she had the strength to stand by him and defend him until it became known that he cheated
6) anyone would defend their spouse against accusations or sexual pursuits of other women trying to interfere in their marriage
7) she is a strong image for young girls everywhere with all of her accomplishments and ability to go through everything she has and still be standing
8) i dont agree with not divorcing him but i dont belittle her decision not to
9) she has addressed the topic in detail in books and multiple public interviews.. try watching or reading them for a change

Is the argument for Senator Obama here that he used superior judgment by voting against the war?

Let’s see, so now Obama has to come out and call Jim Davis from Newsmax a blolfaced liar, or Mr. Obama himself will not only be labeled a liar, but He will no longer have the trust of the American people by using such dishonest tactics to cover up this scandal.

It’s not ONE affair. Lord knows how much there was. As far as I know…
There was Monica.
Gennifer Flowers (there are phone tapes of conversations between her and Bill)
Elizabeth Gracen. Bill never admitted NOR DID HER DENY.
There had been other accusations

JAY:
I really respect what you posted. That is the most sincere and honest appraisal I have heard from an Obama supporter. I’m not an Obama supporter but I have been asking myself these questions over and over. Senator Clinton is not a monster. She could do a lot of good. She’s certainly tough and intelligent and dedicated. At 60 I admire her energy and ability to get out there and campaign. This is no joke to Hillary. Somehow I think Obama sees this as some sort of boardgame. I really am confused by him. Sorry for your pain. I predicted in a post some weeks ago that O supporters should brace themselves just in case Obama did not turn out to be the messiah you all have lifted him up to be. You will survive this. I believe what Senator Clinton said. This will all work out the way it is supposed to for the good of America. She has this insight because she has survived many storms and has the wisdom of her age.

BKMC,
You totally lost me because I fail to see the connection in your story with some action that was promulgated by Obama, or even shows his intellect in action. Let’s give Barack Obama the benefit of the doubt, though. Regarding Reverend Wright his speech was condemned by Barack Obama, as soon as the public outcry became significant enough to show that there was campaign damage. It’s only been about a year since Barack Obama brought this denounced speaker into Barack’s campaign. So isn’t it fair to see that Barack acted with GREAT SPEED to rectify the situation, it has only been a year, and when the public got mad it was instantaneous action. I think this may be what is meant by the AUDACITY claim in the Obama campaign. He shows us that he is a quite capable politician and can act with great executive authority when he so chooses.

Vanessa: You keep bringing up Mr. Clniton’s affairs from the early 90′s. Why would anyone care about that now? I give props to Mrs. Clinton for forgiving her husband and working to save her marriage. I suppose Mr. Clinton is the only politician who has EVER cheated on his wife. I could give you a list, but the hundreds of names stating with John F. Kennedy, would be too long to post. So what is your point? What has this got to do with Mr. bama and his pastor?

Vanessa
again…Bill is not running for President…stay on topic please….
By the way..Bill is a player….dont hate the player….

Vanessa wrote:
“The fact that she know without Bill she would be no where. Why esle would she stay with him when he has repeatedly cheated on her. Political gain???”
Vanessa, Hillary Clinton was a graduate of Yale Law School, the most selective law school in the country. Needless to say, she got there on merit. I doubt that anyone, other than you, questions her intelligence or competence. In no way did that depend on her husband. In fact, she was consistently his biggest asset.
I think it is a testament to their relationship that they are still married. The cheating? Ask yourself how often that happens in today’s society. I suspect that many, many marriages have endured despite that. I find it admirable that she stayed with her husband, not something negative at all.

Yes….Obama no matter what is fine and dandy and anything that is not appropriate is turned a blind eye….. I cant believe that the Obama supporters made such a big deal out of what Ferraro said yet this is okay…
to me the people that Obama associates himself with…Racists and criminals and such does not make for good character….they are the people I avoid not idealize or use as my mortal compass…yet have them as my INSPIRATION to write my book.
I am not saying that he is racist but if not why stay in a church like that…and than there is Michelle his wife that has written her thesis on how whites are…and how she has not been proud of her country till know and in addition how she said that she would have to think real real hard if it came down to voting for Hillary….what’s all that about???
she does not stand behind anyone but her husband and she has always come across as questionable!

The superior judgement claim from Obama is now a moot point. He voted to stay 20 years at that Radical Black Church and sat there for years as these sermons becane commonplace. No Excuses Please. It is what it is. Obama is guilty of poor judgement for someone wha wanted to run for president. Why didn’t he grab his family up and demand that they find and integrated church in Chicago that preached love, tolerance and peace for all people. Then I would say Yes We Can…..but all I can say now is No He Didn’t.

SadStateofAffairs,
Funny stuff, keep it up!

Yes, maritza we know that the economy is a mess.
Did you know that Rep. Senator Wayne Allard, Colorado put forward an Amendment to a Bill a few days ago, that attached 111 Barack Obama Campaign Economic Proposals?
Did you know that? Just 2 days ago the Senate voted on that Amendment? And did you know that it lost 97-0?
Did you know that Barack Obama voted against his own proposals? Those SAME proposals he tried to beat Hillary Clinton over the head with in debates all year?
Did you know that the cost estimate for these Presidential Debate Proposals of Obama’s is 1.4 TRILLION dollars over 5 years?
This man is an amateur, out of his element and out of his league. And it showed in spades.
What is he going to be doing, Vetoing his own crazy bills?
I will give you all this – Obama is a Uniter!!!
He united the entire Senate 2 days ago to vote against his own bill that would have devastated this country, had he been President, and had these proposals made it into law.
His incompetence is BLARING.

Well as a white American I simply disagree with Obama’s total condemnation of Wright’s remarks.
I condemn them as foul mouthed bad taste etc. but I see so anti-white racism in them.
He doesn’t say the white race is an inferior one; which has been the fundamental premise of white racism against black people.
Wright says, yes in a bad taste and in a rather aggressive manner (but I’m no churchgoer anyway so I can’t compare) that white Americans run this country, that white Americans have never encountered racist humiliation in a way black people have etc. Furthermore he states that 9/11 would never have happened if America would have had a different foreign policy towards Middle-East and Arabian countries. Well, you can agree or disagree on that, but I fail to see the ‘scandal’ in the opinion. Plus he clearly is skeptic about Presidents like George W. Bush saying “May God continue to bless the USA” while that very same USA wages an illegal war on Iraq, where it carpet bombs thousands of young Iraqi soldiers who had no choice other than joining the Iraqi army (that has never been officially at war with the USA btw), and causing enormous death tolls among Iraqi people and a national chaos and destruction compared to which the Saddam regime had been a haven of peace and tranquility, without any Al Quaida hanging around. For those kind of aggressive and murderous actions, as for using nuclear weapons against Japanese civilians, Wright argues that the Christian God most certainly will NOT bless America but damn it. What’s so weird about that way of thinking? I don’t see that, even if it is far from how I or others would address such issues.
I may be nuts but I simply don’t get the SCANDAL here. I think it’s MUCH more scandalous and above all ridiculous to compare this church to the KKK or Obama to Hitler because of his appeal to the masses, as many people have done in these threads. Often these are the very same people who blame a preacher as Wright…
Anyway, I’m astonished about a lot of things while reading all those ‘comments’ here, as you will understand. There’s hardly any example of a reasonable approach to be found, so I wonder that the real value of these blogs could be. An outlet for people obsessed by hate, among other things. It’s sad.

BKMC. In truth Obama’s judgment is completely untested. Since the beginning of his career he has been guided by his handlers, political advisers, campaign managers, media relations advisers, speech writers, economic advisers, foreign policy advisers. and many others.
He hasn’t gone a day in his political life without the constant guidance of a multitude of people. In my opinion, he has no experience at all in judgment. He has the best paid people available to make him look presidential.

Yes… I’m guilty. I often dream of Bill, a guy old enough to be my grandfather.
I don’t question Hillary intelligence. I’m sure her credentials are high. But there are other women out there with the same eduation and credentials as her and their not in this race… because their not married to Bill or any former president.
This may be old news, but news that can perhap be brought up in GE and also file-gate and alot of other scandal during the “Clinton era”.

So BKMC
In 2000, did you and Obama vote for Bush? Another of Obama’s “GOOD JUDGEMENT” calls…

Tomorrow you can count of the media picking up the news max story on Obama lying about being in the church.
And he’s best be VERY careful, cause News max is sneeky. They just might have a photo or two. But there are going to wait for Obama to come out Monday or Tuesday and say I NEVER, THEY ARE LYING.
And then BAMMMMMMMMM
Video or Photo – Game Over Liar.
So he has to tip toe through those TWO LIPS cause he isn’t sure what they got. Let’s see if he is dumb enough to come out and lie again.

WetscoastMesanger, the judgement is about what the reality is on the field, what are the objective intentions of involved professionals are? and what is the quality of materials presented to you to judge on? their consistancy? and reliability? These are key elements to take into consideration when aking a judgement.

2009,
I doubt the MSM will quote Newsmax, but I can guarantee you they are descending like a pack of lions in search of any and every shred of evidence which will confirm or invalidate Obama’s credibility, and will obtain their own sources. As the ABC roundtable analys said, “These things can be checked”. Thinks are not looking well for him right now.

DCVoter please let us avoid insulting people, that is not good. MattOhio, we have not voted for Bush at all in 2000. The reality is simply that the war is costing 12 billion per month and the economic recession is here etc. Judgement. OBAMA08

If I was Jeremiah Wright Jr. I would be pissed and angry that Obama used him. At one instance he used him to get the African American vote and now he is distancing himself from him.
Hypocrite!

I feel so sad for you boys.
I just checked today’s polls at realclearpolitics and they all favor Obama over Clinton.
It ain’t gonna work, all your hate mongering. On the contrary, I’d say.
Besides that, Clinton has effectively already lost the nomination as everyone could and should now. But I understand the State of Denial is all hers – and yours here.

MattOhio,
That’s not it. The “Pledge” was originally on their mission page I beleive. It’s no longer there….It’s been removed within the last couple of months. It was a very detailed “Pledge of Allegaince”…..to Africa.

“Judgment. Obama ’08″
Does Senator Obama’s superior judgment stem from his vote against the war and Senator’s vote for the war?
By the way FOLKS on both sides, ‘judgment’ only has 1 ‘e’.

Who do we elect to represent our party. Everything is messed up.
Anyway now is the time to ask the Sen. Clinton what her 35 yrs of experience really is. Now is the time to ask questions about what the American public need to know and are going to ask very soon. If we don’t ask these questions, the republican’s will. Every American knows all of the stuff that’s part of Clinton’s experience like: Whitewater, Travel gate, Monica Lewinsky and impeachment, renting out the Lincoln bedroom, the loss of the Rose Law Firm billing records for nearly 2 years until they were miraculously found in the White House living quarters, removing files from Vince Foster’s office following his suicide and before investigators could get there. Has anyone asked why she hasn’t released her library records or tax returns? What if she’s hiding something negative that might cost our party the White House? Most people believe she is hiding something terrible. While you guys are deciding the republicans will consolidate and take the white house again.

Oh I bet fact check org is reeling over this because they said on 1/10/08:
“while its controversial pastor is a fiery advocate for blacks and liberal causes and a fierce critic of anti-black discrimination, we’ve seen no evidence that he preaches hatred of or discrimination against whites.”
all that video evidence disputes their fact checking ROFL

Good find DCVoter, it also discredits Owen Hill link post.

LAIR LIAR.

Barack wasn’t IN THE SENATE AT ALL for the vote. He was in Illinois.

2009 – on one of these articles the other day i posted a comparison of experience between Clinton and Obama without using her years as First Lady… the comparison looked at both professional and political experience, awards, activities, and both non-legislative and legislative committees… Clinton had twice as much “experience” and qualification by sheer numbers… anyone can pull the info off the vote smart website for each candidate and compare “resumes”

DCVoter,
We agree that it is poor judgement. It would seem like a sitting U.S. Senator would have the jurisprudence and common sense to recognize the separation of church and state and would have advised his pastor to act accordingly, and would have rebuked any tender of clerical support to a political matter. On the other hand, they do this kind of stuff very openly in Baltimore. It seems like the IRS would be equally concerned about that which is happening in their own backyard.

@4000 | Mar 17, 2008 12:25:28 AM:
“Thank you, Hillary, for your good judgment, your experience and your patriotic stand.”
In all fairness, you forgot to include Senators Daschle, Kennedy, Kerry, Dodd and Rockefeller, all Obama supporters, in your thank you statement.
You should also thank Senator Obama for having an identical voting record as Senator Clinton since he arrived in the Senate on votes pertaining to the Iraq war.

So BKL: Where exactly does Obama say he was on that Sunday? Of course they are going into denial spin mode, they have to until a video surfaces.

Did TUCC donate to Obama’s camp since they made money from selling the videos of his speech? Is that legal?

DCVoter — I don’t think it’s a very compelling argument to continue the ‘judgment’ line of attack on Senator Clinton because of her Iraq vote AND on the other hand openly and proudly accept the support of so many other Senators who voted the same way. It seems so contradictory to me.
So, she has exhibited terrible judgment and now doesn’t pass the Commander-In-Chief test. Shouldn’t the same sentiment be applied to the other senators and if so, that terrible judgment is supporting Senator Obama?
Above all, quite frankly, I think judgment should be a word that is rejected and denounced by the Obama campaign after this week.

In October 2002, before being elected to the U.S. Senate, Barack Obama made a speech opposing the Bush Administration’s plan to go to war in Iraq because he felt it was an ill-conceived venture which would “require a U.S. occupation of undetermined length, at undermined cost, with undetermined consequences.”
Now, as a U.S. Senator, Senator Obama has continued to critique the Administration’s mishandling of this war, and believes that while our troops have done an outstanding job in Iraq, there can be no military solution to what is inherently a political conflict between Iraq’s warring factions. The only hope to end this burgeoning civil war is for Shias, Sunnis, and Kurds to come together and resolve their differences. That’s why Senator Obama agrees with the Iraq Study Group’s conclusion that we must begin a phased redeployment of American troops to signal to the government and people of Iraq that ours is not an open-ended commitment.
To set a new course for U.S. policy that can bring a responsible end to the war, Senator Obama introduced the Iraq War De-escalation Act in January 2007. The legislation would have begun a redeployment of U.S. forces no later than May 1, 2007, with the goal of removing all combat brigades from Iraq by March 31, 2008, a date that was consistent with the expectation of the Iraq Study Group.
The Obama plan allows for a limited number of U.S. troops to remain as basic force protection, to pursue international terrorists, and to continue the training of Iraqi security forces. If the Iraqis are successful in meeting the 13 benchmarks for progress laid out by the Bush Administration, this plan also allows for the temporary suspension of the redeployment, provided Congress agrees that the benchmarks have been met and that the suspension is in the national security interest of the United States.
Since this legislation was introduced, Senator Obama has continued to be a strong advocate for legislative actions that could bring the war in Iraq to a responsible end. He opposes funding for the war in Iraq that does not immediately begin the responsible removal of our troops from Iraq, with a clear timeline and end-date for this drawdown.
Senator Obama has also stressed the importance of holding private security contractors like Blackwater USA accountable to ensure that their conduct is not jeopardizing our military’s efforts to bring the war in Iraq to a responsible end. In February 2007, he introduced the Transparency and Accountability in Military and Security Contracting Act. One provision, which requires federal departments to compile and report information to Congress on the role of contractors operating in Iraq, was passed by Congress as an amendment to the defense authorization act. Senator Obama is also working to pass other components of his legislation to increase accountability of American security contractors operating in war zones by subjecting them to U.S. criminal law.

joseph, there’s not enough wine in the world to make obama’s nonsense believable. but the obamaites might find it helpful as they mourn their lost innocence when they finally realize what a charlatan he is.

Brother Wright said, the white man invented the HIV virus to kill the black man and Obama still has not said that is wrong.

lom, lol re born again new politician!

us senate, nobody reads cut and paste stuff, just makes our page down buttons wear out faster.

Well, someone’s going to be made out to be a liar. It’s either Newsmax or Senator Obama.
Did Senator Obama have secret service detail back then? Plane itinerary? If Senator Obama is going to make the statement that he was not there, then I take his word for it.
However, if ANY evidence comes out contrary to this, he can kiss his presidential bid buh-bye. He’s putting so much more on the line posting this as a “fact” on his website. Yikes.

I vote for and support Hillary Clinton not because she is BLACK or WHITE skin but because she can distinct WHITE or BLACK when facing national problems or issues. Did anyone recall that she was the first to start Universal Health Care movement back in 1992-1993 when everyone thought it was a silly thing?

Funny how the Obamites want to move on and: not address the matter at hand; not wait for more proof; not find out if Obama is lying again with his fact check denial; not talk about the issues because they cant defend Obama; and all of the other issues discussed in this thread… uh huh obamadoo happens, spin the barrel some more axelrod, the compost stinks

Dave – Obama doesnt fly commercial… your times are all messed up LOL

Trinity services start at 7:30am. If Obama stayed an hour (normal service) and left at 8:30 am.. 1/2 hour to Midway Airport and in the air by 9:15 Arrive in Miami by 12 noon ( allowing 2 hour and 45 minutes flight and landing, would be 1 pm Eastern time & half hour to drive to the event.
I think it is a very real possibility he attended the service and spoke in Miami.

Personally, evidence of Obama attending is damning but I dont think it will matter much. Most thinking and moral people realize that he mustve known (there is lots of evidence of his knowledge) and he did not distance himself until it was politically necessary and the perception is that he lied and used poor judgement and continues to do so. This wont go away… it will only get worse. If you have already voted, be active online, talk to friends, family, etc. The Internet is a great viral medium. If you have not voted yet, Vote Clinton!

Welcome home Clinton supporters. We wont hold it against you for being duped. We know the vetting did not begin early enough because he tried to set the play nice tone to prevent it. The important thing now is to get the word out and help the voters in the remaining states see through the hype and lies. We can make it happen, 60% of the remaining delegates and Clinton passes Obama in delegates and popular vote then the supers dont have to worry about the pressure being placed on them. Remember, only the black supers are being pressured to move to Obama based on race. Stand with conviction and unite with Clinton to beat McCain.

Frankly, there has to be something wrong with Obama! He listened to that anti-american rant for 20 years and even took his young daughters there.
When that pastor preached about 9/11 being America’s fault, Obama still chose to stay. That tells me everything i need to know about this man and his superior judgment…

I don’t understand how my fellow Dems can muster up the forced cheer for a candidate that is finished. Check the latest numbers, Malthusian77, in the key battleground states Obama LOSES by bigger margins than even Hillary. And wait till they play those Jeremiah Wright rants in their attack ads!
Hillary actually has a fighting chance (yeah, she’s a tough old you-know-what, there’s nothing the Rovian machine can throw at her that didn’t already come up during Bill’s years). Better yet, the Dems could actually come to their senses and decide to win the GE by drafting Edwards or Gore, but, no, that would be about as wishful as thinking Obama acutually has a shot at the presidency.

P.S. The argument about Clinton winning key battleground states is complete nonsense, and I can’t believe that the Clinton campaign is spinning such worthless “logic.” Whether you do it by math or by history, there is no correlation between primary wins/losses WITHIN a party, and general elections.

Jo: Here is what Reverend Wright said: “Some of my fellow clergy don’t appreciate what we’re all about. The feel like we’re too radical. Others we ain’t radical enough. Too emotional. Not emotional enough. Our emphasis on African history, on scholarship –”
You’ve got a lot of nerve to use a partial quote and then call Obama a liar.

Malthusian77, I judge my candidates on the entirety of their ideas, experience, flaws, etc., not mere words.
Thanks for trying but Obama as the Dem nominee will mean a 48 or 49 state landslide for McCain.
A candidate’s strength in the primaries don’t correlate with the GE?? That’s risible. Do some research into the past several GEs and then come back to tell me that a guy who carries Idaho, Montana, etc., but can’t prevail in OH, FL, PA, NJ and other states that actually matter (yeah, sorry, small states, but that’s how the math works) actually has a shot in hell. Especially with his Goddamning America “crazy ole uncle” on his back. Wake up, folks, it’s over for Obama no matter the math.

Bartlebybickle: Like it or not, we’ll test your hypothesis in November, with Obama leading the Democatic ticket.

If Obama is so stupid as to not know what his church stands for over 20 years, then he is incapable of being President of the United States of America.
Obamas church awarded Louis Farrakhan, the black separatist leader, and award last year, don’t tell me Obama and other church members didn’t know as it was awarded in the church.
Obama has tried to cheat America and he’s lost now.
Obama will never win the general election because the majority of voters are not black separatist and don’t have the racist views that Obama has subscribed to for 20 years through his church.

We actually have an example of how the MSM plays the “guilt by association” card when it comes to certain political and religious figures. In the 2000 campaign George W. Bush spoke once at Bob Jones University; it was an event used to bludgeon Bush with for the rest of the campaign and into his presidency. And, of course, Bush did not attend Bob Jones University, financially support it, or consider Bob Jones to be his spiritual mentor or close friend for 25 years. Yet these things mattered not at all. Bush spoke at Bob Jones University — and so to many in the press, he was joined at the hip with it. The association between Reverend Wright and Senator Obama is far deeper in every respect.
Peter Wehner

I feel it is too late for condemnation for a man who is running on the premise that WORDS MATTER. He cant have it both ways. For 20 years he never condemn this man.

Every time a black person mentions the proven historical oppression of their people, some white people scream reverse racism, How sad, how ignorant, and how despicable a claim that some fearful white people are making of the current mud slinging in American politics. If there were a God, that God would not be proud of many of Humanities actions toward Humanity on this planet. Is it a new concept that a religious leader would talk about damnation of actions of individuals, a group, or even a Nation from God? No. J Fawell, P. Robertson, R. Parsly, J. Haggy have all made statements about Liberals, gays, Muslims, the ACLU, The NAACP, and women’s right groups that are not founded in any form of reality. These “tapes” of Jeremiah Wright are full of some things that are the truth and some things that are conjecture like HIV’s origin. His assertion that we brought 911 on ourselves, that statement has a yes and no answer to it, which we are still debating to this very moment. Were we told the complete truth about Iraq? Not according to UK, the Pentagon, or the CIA. The Tuskegee Experiment Really Happened. We are the # 2 weapons supplier to the world. Hiroshima could have been handled better, say dropping the A-Bomb off the coast of Japan thus intimidating them into surrender and saving innocent life. But who knows in hindsight what could have been in that situation. So where is the controversial statement other than the HIV aspect? If you are white, ask yourself, can you really relate to the victims of hundreds of years of hate filled slavery and discrimination? Can you relate to being a Jewish victim of Hitler if you are a Christian and white? No. One could come close. But never, ever really, truly achieving the same level of understanding as the victim

Harriet, you really think you have everyone figured out don’t you? It sounds like you disapprove of anyone who believes differently than you. Let’s all say it together “God Damn America”, does that make you feel better?

I am disappointed and hopeful at the same time. I understand that the history of African Americans is not taught in schools and therefore there may be a level of ignorance regarding the black experience. Unless you have been Black in America you “CAN NOT” fully understand the emotional experiences of racism. Unless you have attended a Service at Trinity Church you are uninformed. Trinity Church in Chicago is a Christian Based Church with an African American Congregation that has direct knowledge and experience of being Black in America.
Black Americans were not invited to America they were brought in chains as less than human. We are only a few generations removed from these atrocities, and yet Black Americans have survived.
As a nation if America is to prosper and survive it will need to embrace the idea of judging individuals not on the color of their skin. All of us are mixed with something. No one is pure anything. Our commonality is humanity.
America has not been a complete angel in the world, the reality is that there are other countries that hate us.
America the world is watching you. Stop hating and love your neighbor, your life may depend in it.

Ms. Odell,
So as a liberal I’m supposed to somehow feel guilty about the black experience and I can atone for it by a) being quiet if hate remarks are spewed my direction or b) voting for Barack Obama? Frankly, I don’t think this is what Senator Obama stands for and the reason he condemned the pastor’s remarks. Or is Senator Obama just trying to play it safe?

For all those obama supporters.
IF he wasn’t wrong about Wright, If those videos are miscontrued and Wright is indeed the patriot you paint him out to be,
WHY IS HE APOLOGISING?!
WHY IS HE DISTANCING HIMSELF FROM WRIGHT?
You don’t apologise when you’re right and you don’t distance yourself from things you believe in. Take yourself as an example, you are neither apologising nor distancing yourself from Obama BECAUSE YOU THINK YOU’RE RIGHT. Your conviction demands you stand by your beliefs and I applaud your integrity for that!
Your beloved leader however, does not share your convictions!

to all obamaites,what excuse are you going to give when the american public finds out that he straight LIED to them about ever being at one of wrights divisive sermons.he has and all you have to do to prove it is to go to newsmax.com aug 9th 2007 and read the article.now maybe some of you will not think that wright refering to the United States of White America and obama nodding his head in agrement is bad.i personally do and im sure that a lot of other americans will also.two things he Lied and for the saint thats supposed to unite us to nod in agrement to me means he does not believe his own words.

Mr. Hannity could care less who your next president is. This shock jock wants more attention, more ratings, more money, period. He loves a racist rant so he can point his little finger. I’m not fooled Mr. Hannity, you are a racist and the worst kind. You sit back react to other’s percieved racial remarks and cry foul. Mr. Hannity, Rush, Mr. Grant should disclaim that they are for entertainment purposes only. No self respecting voter shoud base his/her valuable vote on their twisted views that are only spewed for shock value.

Right on JSN. What you said is SO true!