Obama, in Indiana, Denounces ‘Forces of Division’
During a town hall in Plainfield, Ind., Barack Obama brought up controversial statements made by the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, weaving the storyline into the history of race in America, perhaps another attempt at distancing himself from his pastor’s commentary.
“You heard some statements from my former pastor that were incendiary and that I completely reject, although I knew him and know him as somebody in my church who talked to me about Jesus and family and friendships,” Obama said.
“If all I knew was those statements that I saw on television, I would be shocked," he said. "And it just, it reminds me that, you know, we’ve got a tragic history when it comes to race in this country.”
He used the comments as an example of the divisions that are still present in society.
“The forces of division have started to raise their ugly heads again, and I’m not here to cast blame or point fingers because everybody senses the shift,” he said, referencing recent reporting and commentary by supporters of different candidates.
Obama, who said he has “little pieces of America” in him, said there is still a lot of pent-up anger, bitterness and misunderstanding, but that if the country wants something different they’ve got to move beyond divisions.
He then summoned words from Bobby Kennedy’s speech in Indianapolis on April 4, 1968, upon receiving news of Martin Luther King’s assassination.
“When people say things like my former pastor said, you have to speak out forcefully against them," Obama said. "But what you have to also do though is remember what Bobby Kennedy said, that it is within our power to join together to truly make a United States of America.”
Obama’s town hall in highly Republican Plainfield followed a night of cable appearances by the senator explaining the extent of his relationship with Wright and repudiating the preacher’s controversial comments that moved into the media spotlight this week.
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Posted by: Surelock Homes | March 15, 2008, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm
Do those forces of division include Reverend Jeremiah Wright who sat on OBAMA’s CAMPAIGN. Obama is attempting to use the CRAZY UNCLE defense, but why did he sit the guy on his campaign if he knew that the guy was like a CRAZY UNCLE?
Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | March 15, 2008, 5:08 pm 5:08 pm
He’s so full of cow manure he stinks. If that kind of energy were recited to me as if it were a mantra for 20 years it would be etched forever in my soul. Seems to me Mr. Obama has too many associates that he keeps having to move away from. You are the company you keep.
Posted by: mgck59 | March 15, 2008, 5:08 pm 5:08 pm
He is never going to talk his way out of this. Known the man 20 years, had him marry him, baptise his children, is his spiritual mentor, advisor, loves him like an uncle and never knew this guy hates the USA, hates whites and probably hates just about everyting except himself. Sorry Barack, I just don’t believe you.
Posted by: lola | March 15, 2008, 5:09 pm 5:09 pm
Those who denounce those who denounce divisiveness are divisive.
Posted by: Jim B | March 15, 2008, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm
Janice
The forefathers of America were over two hundred years ago, Wright and Obama are TODAY.
Posted by: JR | March 15, 2008, 5:21 pm 5:21 pm
Can I get some answers to my question please? Why are you all outraged at Obama, but have spent 20, 30, 40 years bragging about how proud you are of your country that was founded on racism?? You’ve never once denounced its founders, nor apologized for slavery or counting blacks as 3/4th of a human. What is more demeaning and criminal than this, yet you have no problem shouting your outrages about how hypocritical Obama is. Should we not hold ourselves to the same HIGH standards that we hold others?
Posted by: Janice | March 15, 2008, 5:22 pm 5:22 pm
Mainline news media make me SICK for not scrutinizing him in the beginning of the campaign. I was not a Mitt Romney supporter; but the media trashed him in regard to his religion and let Obama skate….WOW! Racism is its worse form and the media sat by and continually deceived the voters…..now it is coming out that Obama lied in regard to contributions received by Rezko, too….this guy is a total sham and i hope that we can count on our media, this time, to report what is really going on with Obama….no free pass this time, media, WE WANT TO KNOW, WHAT THE PERSON RUNNING FOR THE HIGHEST OFFICE IN OUR LAND IS REALLY ABOUT, and i think we found out with little assistance from the mainline media…thank the talk jocks for this one.Obama is definitely racist
Posted by: Margie | March 15, 2008, 5:27 pm 5:27 pm
JANICE,
You have to understand that a good % of the American population are from immigrants that moved here after slavery was ended. So how can you blame people like us, who make up the majority of Americans, for slavery??? A bit ridiculous, don’t you think?
And this is not OUR country, it’s YOURS too. We cannot go back and change the attitudes of our founding fathers – obviously they were deeply wrong in many respects. But they were also deeply right on other respects which our country has tried to maintain (religious freedom, etc.).
Posted by: J | March 15, 2008, 5:27 pm 5:27 pm
Let’s see how the forces of division work in Iowa this weekend. 30% of the delegates are up for grabs (previously Edwards delegates) and there may be some shifting of the ones projected for Obama and Clinton. As grandma used to say “well butter my butt and call me a biscuit”. I hope the precent delegates have been keeping up with the campaign news!
Posted by: DCVoter | March 15, 2008, 5:29 pm 5:29 pm
MSNBC and CNN crucified Bill Clinton and Geraldine Ferraro for their comments about Obama.
Where is the same indignation reflected in their reporting and press releases for Obama’s pastor blatant racism and anti-American rhetoric? They tried to ignore and bury the story until it broke nationally and ONLY then had no choice but to do their jobs.
Posted by: hlewis | March 15, 2008, 5:31 pm 5:31 pm
wow! All of the Hillary supporters have completely devolved into republicans.
Posted by: leviathan1 | March 15, 2008, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm
Real_Talk,
Nice try, but those are all non-issues. The people are smarter than that. They are hungry for a genuine, hopeful president who will help them with their everyday issues and help restore some credibility for America. There is a reason Bush’s approval levels are the lowest of any president in recent history!
McCain does not have the judgment and patience to lead America. He is an ill-informed, myopic, close-minded man who is easily swayed by the bigoted religious right. Check out the result of his BRILLIANT support of the “Surge”, not to mention the fatally wrong idea to go to war with Iraq in the first place, and not actually go after the 9/11 terrorists. Check this link out:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/18722376/the_myth_of_the_surge
Posted by: miles1967 | March 15, 2008, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm
That minister is NOT running for president. BARACK OBAMA IS. Do you honestly believe that the child of a Caucasian mother and an African father, raised by his mother, an Indonesian stepfather, and Caucasian grandparents (in Hawaii) hates Caucasians?
Posted by: isaac | March 15, 2008, 5:33 pm 5:33 pm
Words cannot describe the utter disgust I have for Obama’s attempt to lay blame on others for his lack of judgment and the judgment of his pastor.
Holw dare he. How dare he.
Posted by: Chris | March 15, 2008, 5:34 pm 5:34 pm
How come all the people accusing Barack of being a racist cannot come up with the words that Wright said that they are somehow attaching to Barack that are racist? What is it that Wright said that is racist? Give me a quote so I can understand.
Posted by: Jim B | March 15, 2008, 5:37 pm 5:37 pm
This guy just keep digging himself into a deeper hole. No apology, no taking responsibility – instead he “senses a shift” referring to the other candidates. There you have it – It’s all Hillary’s fault! He could have just said that and saved himself a lot of time.
Posted by: Jim | March 15, 2008, 5:37 pm 5:37 pm
Obama went to the church for TWENTY years. He was very close to this man.
The democratic party is in DENIAL if it thinks it can ‘damage control’ this and Obama can be the nominee.
The republican media will SHOW THE VIDEOS . They will show MICHELLE OBAMA ranting.
They will FIND OUT that he WAS there for some of the rantings.
The american voter will NOT put someone in power who is this FAR LEFT out of control anti white anti american.
Nobody believes Obama would STAY in that church if he hated what the guy was saying.
Let him damage control it all he wants.
He is damaged goods now. He is not electable. There is no way you can get rid of this.
Posted by: tomdavie | March 15, 2008, 5:37 pm 5:37 pm
He was a member of the church for 20 years. He went to libya with Wright and Farrakhan. He says he did not know that Wright or Farrakhan given “incendiary” speeches against the White devils. His wife never saw anything good in USA till now. He did not know Rezko was a crook, and his decision to take money from a crook and ask for property was a “bonehead” decision. 20 years!! And now the Obamacan-mites want to close their ears and their eyes to any simple test that shows the man is being nixonian. He is not a Kennedy but a Nixon.
He is destroying the Democratic Party and this guy is going to bring the nation together? Give me a break!!
Posted by: A. Kafir | March 15, 2008, 5:38 pm 5:38 pm
Hillary will be attending church (not Trinity) tomorrow, and thanking God that Obama turned down the idea of a dual ticket.
Posted by: daryl | March 15, 2008, 5:38 pm 5:38 pm
Still waiting for someone to state the racist comments Wright made…
Posted by: Janice | March 15, 2008, 5:38 pm 5:38 pm
If Obama’s pastor himself, isn’t a huge source of division, I don’t know what is. Why is Obama trying to blame everyone else, for the obvious screw-up he made by embracing Rev Wright? It’s the media’s fault? Clinton’s? BS……he has no one else to blame for this, except himself.
Posted by: KDH55 | March 15, 2008, 5:38 pm 5:38 pm
I forgot to say that i am a former Obama supporter…he should have told us that his church, and obviously as a supporter of this pastor for 20 years; that he believed we deserved 9-1-1 in this country….too late to denounce Wright now; he has been close to him for 20 years….did you see the congregation clapping for this pastor and his racist remarks…Obama is telling us that he does not like nasty politics and his pastor is at the pulpit saying what he did about Bill and Hillary Clinton..Bill riding Monica..did that really have any place in a church sermon….Obama almost fooled all of us…..patriotism is what this country is about….he now scares me…he is going to remain a member of this congregation who clapped and roared over what their pastor was saying..Wow!!
Posted by: Margie | March 15, 2008, 5:39 pm 5:39 pm
Rev wright called america the U S (KKK) of A.
I have seen the video 100 times now.
Whoever says this guy ISNT racist would have to be utterly racist themselves.
Posted by: tomdavie | March 15, 2008, 5:40 pm 5:40 pm
I’m voting for Hillary
Posted by: J.Murphy, CA. | March 15, 2008, 5:40 pm 5:40 pm
Who cares what this preacher says? Is he representative of his entire religion? Of course not. This is silly.
Posted by: Jerry | March 15, 2008, 5:41 pm 5:41 pm
Did the good reverend go bad overnight? I don’t think so. Did Obama just join this church and begin his association with this reverend? Of course not. What does that leave us with? I am troubled greatly that this association has lasted many years. I am even more troubled that the Office of the President of the United States of America may be taken too lightly during this election year.
Posted by: benvictor | March 15, 2008, 5:41 pm 5:41 pm
You have seen it 100 times but you still cannot tell me what he said that was racist. Just give me one quote. Just one. You saw it 100 times and you cannot tell me. What is the problem?
Posted by: Jim B | March 15, 2008, 5:42 pm 5:42 pm
Are there really any words that can be said I think it is pretty hopeless in this country.
Posted by: Bishop | March 15, 2008, 5:43 pm 5:43 pm
Barak Obama must not just distance himself from Rev. Wright, but leave this church for me to vote for him. Go and look at Rev. Wright’s past sermons- you don’t need Sean Hannity to do this- the man is a racist, antisemite, anti-Catholic, and a prounounced sexist (Hillary Clinton may not have ever been called “the n-word,” but how about the b-word, and “monster”)! I don’t buy Obama’s “not knowing” what Wright has been preaching for over 35 years- he knew. The new pastor at his church was hand picked by Wright and is cut from the same cloth. I remember Wright’s generation of black activist very clearly, they believed a woman’s place in the civil rights movement was “prone.” Further, I will not vote for any candidate that dies not make a very clear distinction between church & state. Have we not had enough of religion in government & politics from Bush? Obama is not the candidate I believed him to be (which is sad). And I did not form this opinion from just what the press has presented about Rev. Wright & Obama- I did my own research. If Obama is the Democratic nominee, I will write-in a candidate for president. I don’t want to void my entire ballot, so I will do this and vote for the other candidates I support for other offices.
Posted by: sgmdemocrat | March 15, 2008, 5:44 pm 5:44 pm
Obama can denounce all he wants. HIS ACTIONS speak louder…This Pastor was Obama’s spiritual ADVISOR, his mentor, for 20 years…WAKE UP AMERICA before it’s too late…THERE is NO excuse that can justify this dispicable support!!!I can assure you more is to come!!!
AMERICAN’S should be outraged
Posted by: chris | March 15, 2008, 5:44 pm 5:44 pm
Come on you guys. Cannot one of you come up with one statement? Just one. You all seem to know so much about this. What did he say? I am waiting. Let me know.
Posted by: Jim B | March 15, 2008, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm
I get a kick out of this guy. At first his pastor’s statements were “provocative”. Then when he knew he was losing votes, they became “incendiary”. Now that he is losing more votes, he “denounces and rejects” this pastor, who he has stated his respect for and closeness to in his own book and on other occasions. Let’s here some straight talk Obama, your church is filled with race baiting bigots who hate white America, yet you send your wife and children there weekly. Now you expect us to believe that your pastor’s views and statements are all new to you and you have thrown him under the bus. No serious political person would align himself with this type of deplorable garbage. Most would run from it as fast as they could.
Posted by: Jim | March 15, 2008, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm
Reject forces of division?Sure, he should have rejected his pastor,WHOSE CHURCH HE HAS ATTENDED FOR 20YEARS,FRIEND/UNCLE,SPIRTUAL ADVISOR,MENTOR,WHO MARRIED HIM,BAPTIZED HIM,WAS A SPIRITUAL ADVISOR FOR HIS CAMPAIGN UNTIL A DAY AGO.To claim that you knew nothing about his inflammatory speeches and never sat through any of them is simply blatant lies.Does he view the American voter as totally stupid?Barack,I thought you as a fantastic VP nominee for Hillary,the very next leader and President,but, you have let me and all other independents who plan to vote D this time down by associating with this radical priest.Now you have convinced me to vote McCain,thumbing my nose and oppose Hillary if she ever selects you as her running mate.
Posted by: VPNathan3 | March 15, 2008, 5:46 pm 5:46 pm
The Obama followers are in shock right now. They think they can ‘spin’ this away. They think the media will bury it for him. They think that Obama can tap dance it away.
Think about this. 2 weeks from now. 2 months from now.
There is no ‘worming’ out of it. Obama went to the church for TWENTY YEARS.
He never resigned. He never did anything to distance himeself from this until it might HURT him politically.
Its total MISTRUST. You cant wish it away. There is no way in a general election people can vote for this guy outside the far left .
He is finished.
Posted by: tomdavie | March 15, 2008, 5:47 pm 5:47 pm
Normally, I would agree with Obama (I am not fan of Obama)about the coverage, but in this case, all I can say is that if you lie with dogs with fleas, you get fleas. He could have denounced what his pastor said and leave it at that; there would not have been a need to respond with “forces of division.” That just shreds even more credabiity from this man.
Posted by: Adam Smith | March 15, 2008, 5:47 pm 5:47 pm
This is BHO’s uncle by choice not by blood. Choice is the direct result of judgment – the suit he claimed to have been born in and far superior to any other remaining candidates’.
Posted by: esvida | March 15, 2008, 5:47 pm 5:47 pm
Obama’s true colors are coming out, and the color is not about “black”. It is the color of “green”. He is too green. He claims that he is the one who can bring people together, yet, his own people take every opportunity to charge their opponents with playing the race card. There is vile, hate, sexism, and distortion at every turn to label their opponents. When they cannot win on the issues, they avidly look for any little wedge to gain sympathy. Now the wheel has turned for more people to see the hatred and racism on Obama’s side. Geraldine Ferraro was not racist, because she was giving an historical analogy of this campaign. The Clintons were not racist in the South Carolina primary. He wants to have it both ways. This preacher episode just further reveals his lack of experience, lack of judgement, and lack of honesty. Whether it is Rezko, Patrick’s “words” speech, NAFTA, or his 20-year minister and friend, he is a complete double-talker.
Fool me once, shame on you! Fool me twice (or thrice, or fouth, etc.), shame on me!
Posted by: georgia | March 15, 2008, 5:48 pm 5:48 pm
I don’t believe Obama. As someone said above, actions speak louder than words. Twenty years of action
Posted by: dissertator08 | March 15, 2008, 5:49 pm 5:49 pm
You obama folks have NOT looked at all the video. There is HOURS of it.
Going back to 9/11. This is no ‘speech or two’ . Its on and on and on……..
Give your head a shake.
Obama is unelectable.
Posted by: tomdavie | March 15, 2008, 5:49 pm 5:49 pm
I don’t think any of you posters ever supported Obama in the first place. If you did, you would know that he IS all about uniting people. He’s the real deal and he’s shown it in everything he’s ever said or done. I also thinkit is a SIN to just show Wright’s “crazy” clips when he’s so mcuh more than they represent.
Posted by: Marilyn | March 15, 2008, 5:49 pm 5:49 pm
I think it is about time to put away our differences and move toward the common good. I’m tired of the hatred , tired of the me first syndrome.Pulling apart never will bring this country to the level our founding fathers and many other who have given the ultimate sacrifice vision for this great nation.
Posted by: Frank | March 15, 2008, 5:52 pm 5:52 pm
Not everyone is born black or white and that is a fact. Every color have their own problems and that is another fact.
Not everyone is born poor or with a lot of money either so no matter what anybody might say doesn’t mean you believe what they say or how they say it. I don’t use anything against Obama over what this man said he used Obama as a whipping boy of which is not fair at all.
Besides this man is very high yeller if you didn’t know better you would sware he is white but he is not it almost like he is angry that he is so white in color but that is the way I feel.
At the very least I think he should just stay low for right now because he not helping Obama at all he just is not.
Color should not play a rule in this election at all but unfortunetly it does.
MAY GOD BLESS THE ENTIRE OBAMA FAMILY ESTPECIALLY HIS CHILDREN NOW AND FOREVER AS I AM SURE HE WILL!!!
Posted by: Carol | March 15, 2008, 5:52 pm 5:52 pm
people u need to open you eye and see, Obama is the opportunity for America to raise above racial division line and heal.
Posted by: leo | March 15, 2008, 5:53 pm 5:53 pm
Janice,
Obama probably wasn’t at that sermon….but I bet he visited the webpage of his church, which reads:
a pledge of allegiance to “all black leadership who espouse and embrace the Black Value System.”
This is RACIST PURE AND SIMPLE. Why only “black leadership”??? Why not “white leadership” who might espouse “BLACK VALUE SYSTEM.”
GET REAL PEOPLE.
Posted by: J | March 15, 2008, 5:54 pm 5:54 pm
miles1967,
Non-issues? When your campaign is structured SOLELY around your sound “judgment”, I would say those are some pretty crappy examples of sound judgment.
You don’t have a 7 point drop in the polls overnight for no reason (Rasmussen). He’s pretty much dead in the water. Even if this gets swept under the rug, the independent GOP groups are taking notes.
You will see all these chickens coming home to roost soon.
Better politicians have gone for less.
His new politics sure do look and feel like the politics of old.
BTW, you expect me to get political insight from Rolling Stone magazine.
HAHAHAHAHAHA……..zzzzZZZZzzzZzzZzzZz
Posted by: Real_Talk | March 15, 2008, 5:54 pm 5:54 pm
This is a classic reason why I Support Obama. If something bothers “The People”, it bothers him. His Preacher and Rezko were issues that several people wanted answers on. He responded openly and honestly. He has nothing to hide. He openly discussed his Earmark requests revealing the projects and funds. What about Hillary? What about her Tax Returns, Blocking the Release of White House Documents, Her Relationship to Spitzer, or for that matter her relationship to Rezko? This is just skimming the surface folks. Are Women the masters of deception now? Is dishonesty the most admirable trait among Women? Seriously I’d like to know. OBAMA ’08
Posted by: Ken | March 15, 2008, 5:55 pm 5:55 pm
Have you seen the UN report that came out this week that condemns the US for highly disproportionate number of minorities in prison? The US imprisons a much greater percentage of Blacks than other ethnic groups, even when you account for the type of crime. The US executes many more Blacks than Whites for the same crimes. After the US invaded Afghanistan the amount of heroin in this country has increased and it goes disproportionately to the Black community. These are not racist remarks. They are born up by the facts.
Posted by: Jim B | March 15, 2008, 5:56 pm 5:56 pm
Shame on you Mr. Obama! Shame on you! You Don’t think we are All Idiots? We can See Right Through You… Your Very Transparent! Drop Out So we Can Have a Democratic President! We Will Pray For You! Pray not Rant!
Posted by: Reflective | March 15, 2008, 5:58 pm 5:58 pm
To Janice:
Oprah Winfrey net worth is 1.5 billion dollars. (biggest audience is white women between the ages 35 to 55)
Jay-Z net worth is 600 million (biggest audience is white teens)
Robert Johnson (BET founder) is worth 1.2 billion. (Television dedicated to news & entertainment african-american centric)
I could go on for days naming successful african-americans in this country.
Point is, America is not controlled by rich white people. We are all Americans just trying to get ahead.
Posted by: hlewis | March 15, 2008, 5:58 pm 5:58 pm
Obama the problem with your defense and your explanation doesn’t even come close to what Americans deserve….Your pastor was part of your campaign for awhile. Then comes word you heard his incendiary remarks he has made in the past, then u cancel having him talk for your campaign. Then things get worse and people hear about some of those inflammatory remarks and now u do a cosmetic change to your campaign to pretend like it never happened and u were never there when he said what he said. For someone to be so close to be like an uncle its strange u didn’t know about his stand in life. Hmmmmm convenience for your gain. OBAMA stop fooling people with the change, there is no change in your message, stop lying about what you stand for. QUIT THE RACE, you are too arrogant and a liar to be our president. On top of that you are inexperience and surround yourself with inexperience people too. GO AWAY OBAMA!
Posted by: PB | March 15, 2008, 5:59 pm 5:59 pm
Saying Jesus is Black isn’t racist. He certainly had much darker skin than the pictures my Catholic nuns showed me, but it is not racist to claim he is Black anymore than it is racist for those nuns to claim he had blue eyes and blond hair. And AIDS didn’t start with White Gays. It started in Africa. In the US, it is true that AIDS was first detected in Gays, but it started in Africa. Whether the conspiracy theories regarding someone causing it are true or racist, I plead ignorance and do think this is off base and could be construed as a racist attack. I also think that Jerry Falwell’s assertion that is was an act of God to retaliate against gays is ridiculous. So you got me. So I would have to concur that Wright is wrong on this. Now he may actually believe it, which would not necessarily mean he is racist, but just wrong (as far as I know).
Posted by: Jim B | March 15, 2008, 6:07 pm 6:07 pm
It is not the fire and brimstone of Jeremiah A Wright that caught my attention as much as the tone Anderson took yesterday when discussing the sound bite reduction of Jeremiah Wrights 30 years of religious service.
No other candidate in this race has been grilled as much as Obama has been — just in a 24 hour period on religious affiliation/association.
This is truly manufactured news for a desired result– “let’s get Obama.”
Obama is running for president, not Rev. Wright.
Looks like CNN and the rest of the media conglomerates have a plan to ride Obama for his pastor’s comments. McCain’s John Hagee, condemns Catholicism — The media didn’t even blow this up half as much as the Wright controversy. Rod Parsley said America is hell bent on destroying Islam– no media outlet has grilled McCain on either one of these statement.
Why all of the heavy handed treatment toward Rev Wright? Nothing fair and balanced– no equality being shared on the subject of religion
by the media with all of the candidates.
Our founding fathers got it right– Separation of Church and state- religon is too personal and it should not be on the table unless all candidates are being grilled on their pastors’ take on Christianity.
“What goes around comes around.” All Rev Wright was expressing in his 9/11 sermon is what many people agree with. One cannot continue to destoy and kill and it won’t reciprocate. I love my country but our history is steeped in wars and killing. We were blessed to have only had 2 attacks on American in recent history; Pearl Harbor and 9/11, We are a blessed nation we are a blessed people.
As we debate Rev Wrights words there is a war of ignorance being waged in Iraq fueled by a lie– Weapons of Mass Destruction.
Here we are killing people again. Why?
We may all have different takes on war but we all know that it is not good and not the will of God no matter what name your religion gives your God. Whether your God is called Jesus, Allah, Buddah or Elohim we all know “Thou shalt no kill. “
Posted by: truth | March 15, 2008, 6:08 pm 6:08 pm
“Great 2 days of hit jobs for the Rotten-Clinton campaign …”
The “Wright” controversy was McCain’s work. In fact, the controversy has been reported before on FoxNews. So, we should not blame this to Clinton people, despite the fact that her supporters may want to take advantage of this. But, it really was not her campaign that brought this up.
Keep in mind, it was republican’s work.
I wonder where we can find Michael Hukerbee’s sermons. He was a republican candidate and he was a priest of sourth baptist church. It shouldn’t suprise me if some of his sermons are very offensive and not inline with American values.
Posted by: catiger | March 15, 2008, 6:09 pm 6:09 pm
this has become a hateful blog
just don’t vote for Obama if you don’t want to – but stop the lying and the smears
ok?
Posted by: alison | March 15, 2008, 6:09 pm 6:09 pm
I will cast blame & point fingers at YOU Oboma.I want my president to have more that “little pieces of America” in him/her. At least he had the decency to admit he was using Bobby’s words tis time and not act like they were his.
Posted by: David | March 15, 2008, 6:09 pm 6:09 pm
I’m voting for Obama
Posted by: Ken | March 15, 2008, 6:09 pm 6:09 pm
it scares me that we may elect somebody into office who listened to, shook heads in agreement with, somebody who hates the white person so much.
Hates the same white people who abolished slavery so many years ago.
Obama could be the next president of the US!!
Aren’t you scared? Not because he is black, but because he obviously sees color.
Posted by: malania | March 15, 2008, 6:10 pm 6:10 pm
“unashamedly black” is not racist. The church is in a black area and serves predominantly black community. It would be racist if it restricted the church to black people, which it doesn’t. In fact there is at least one white member I know of. His name is Barack Obama.
Posted by: Jim B | March 15, 2008, 6:11 pm 6:11 pm
Every last one of you people who are condemning Reverend Wright (and even Obama himself) so viciously are being extremely judgmental. Reverend Wright is a former Marine who has fought for this country and he is a Christian. The remarks he made regarding this country were wrong — that fact is clear and Obama himself condemned those statements. The truth is that Reverend Wright spoke from the perspective of someone who is angry over how America has treated black people over the years. Someone who lived through Jim Crow and racial segregation. Someone who was subjected to racial slurs and mistreatment simply because he is black. Through his 36 years of ministry he has worked to inspire, encourage and empower black people to do good things. Now his 36 years of ministry and all the good he has done has been reduced to a 15 second video clip. That’s sad.
Posted by: Luke | March 15, 2008, 6:11 pm 6:11 pm
You will never win with this guy. you call him on anything totally unrelated to race – you’re automatically a racist. You ask him if he is wearing a white shirt, you’re a racist. So typical. The only force of division I see is his Minister. People are already walking on eggshells around this guy. What a uniter…Give me a break!
Posted by: WakeUpPeople | March 15, 2008, 6:12 pm 6:12 pm
The Reverend and Barack cut the head off this last night. There is bitter hate in the hearts of many but it’s not going to fuel the tabloids. Yes we can. Change in on the way.
Posted by: Radmanaustin | March 15, 2008, 6:12 pm 6:12 pm
obama IS the force of division. he can spin and lie and distance all he wants, but only the ones who refuse to see the truth will believe him. btw, superdelegates are not stupid and know that backing a lying, racist, divisive, fraudulent candidate isn’t good for their careers.
Posted by: so saddened | March 15, 2008, 6:12 pm 6:12 pm
These right-wingers on here are just typical of what we’ve seen in the past, and will see in the future. Now Huckabee, a Presidential CANDIDATE, and Southern WHITE baptist PREACHER, who I’m sure had numerous sermons preaching fire and brimstone against gays, etc. never had a sermon advertised in the MSM. This was off-limits until a BLACK preacher, speaking on no one’s behalf had the audacity to speak to some of the ugly truths of this nation, and now what an OUTRAGE. This just goes to the heart of what Wright was saying about America.
Posted by: Janice | March 15, 2008, 6:12 pm 6:12 pm
For the first time, it is clear that Hillary’s supporters have an edge over Obama folks: Hillary is not a messianic figure. In fact, many people don’t like her! But she’s been vetted, and we know pretty much everything about her. You Obama fans are running behind a guy most people (including you!!!!) do not really know.
Posted by: P. | March 15, 2008, 6:13 pm 6:13 pm
Yes, Let denounce the forces of division. But let us keep digging Hillary’s dirt. What a hypocrisy.
Posted by: Francis | March 15, 2008, 6:14 pm 6:14 pm
Poor delusional Obama supporters. Do you really believe that the “values voters” that voted for Bush over Kerry, a decorated war veteran, will ever vote for Obama? Please wake up before we lose the Whitehouse again.
Posted by: Wake Up! | March 15, 2008, 6:16 pm 6:16 pm
Yes, there are probably plenty of churches that preach against gays. And if we had a candidate who was a member of that church for 20 years and called that preacher his mentor and put him on his campaign….HE WOULDN’T BE GETTING YOUR VOTE, WOULD HE??
Give it up. Obama is toast. Get use to it.
Posted by: Jo | March 15, 2008, 6:16 pm 6:16 pm
To Janice,
Please define what you or the pastor means by “control”. I bet you can’t.
How does “rich white people” control the country?
If you truly think that “rich white people” control the country, how do we change this to reflect American ideals?
Posted by: hlewis | March 15, 2008, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm
I echo many other comments on this blog: it’s one dishonest thing after another, and anytime he has to take responsibility for his OWN ACTIONS OR WORDS, it’s someone else’s fault. It’s usually Hillary’s, no matter what happens, or those who are “divisive.” Who is more divisive than Rev. Wright?? And we are supposed to be believe that this man, who is like a father-figure to him, espoused this ideology for 20 years and Obama “did not know?” How gullible does he think we are???? Goodbye to middle American votes. He is unelectable now. The Republicans will play these clips over and over and over. Remember “Willie Horton?”
Posted by: Fran | March 15, 2008, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm
Chip, that’s all well and good, but then YOU aren’t running for president, are you?
Posted by: Jo | March 15, 2008, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm
“Hillary and Bill Clinton started making Racist remarks at the begining of this race!”
So the Obama campaign and the media said.
But now that same media is bad, because it is publishing Obama’s minister inflammatory remarks.
WAKE UP!
Posted by: P. | March 15, 2008, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm
Plain and simple: Barak and Michelle had a choice whether to join (and raise their children in) one of the many multi-cultural, multi-ethnic churches in the Chicago area with a positive gospel message or go to an Afrocentric church with a radical message. That was their choice. And now it’s time for America to choose – and the choice is to NOT VOTE for Barak Obama.
Posted by: petee | March 15, 2008, 6:19 pm 6:19 pm
Easily manipulated, you mean these statements came out a long time ago and STILL Obama made him a part of his HOPE & CHANGE campaign??
NOW who is the one easily manipulated??? YOU!!!!
Posted by: Jo | March 15, 2008, 6:19 pm 6:19 pm
Unashamedly black seems pretty racist to me…do you think a white person would feel welcome there, or would you jsut NOT care…it seems they would have to embrace Black culture instead of following Jesus…the church shouldn’t be about teaching CULTURE…TEACHING the LIFE of JESUS!!! It shouldn’t be about blaming whites for everything…is that not a tremendous racist generalization??? It shouldn’t be about using the N word…he’s used SH## also From the pulpit…this man is NOT a christian leader…this is black separatism or black power..why else would he team up with Farakhan…the fact that obama still wants to go to church there is crazy! He will never get my vote now…let me tell you he may not be racist, but if you still demand to go to church there…that’s a little off.
I wish the man would apologize (wright) change the “black only” sermons and atmosphere, and MANY would forgive him.
Posted by: JOe | March 15, 2008, 6:19 pm 6:19 pm
Obama has stated that he did not know Rezko was under investigation when he raised money for him and when he entered into the property agreement with him.
Obama has stated that he did not know about ANY of the Wright statements before he started to run for President, never heard any in person, and only found out about the rest in the last few days.
Can Obama possibly be this ignorant about the people closest to him or he is just lying about what he knew and when he knew it?
Posted by: Eric | March 15, 2008, 6:19 pm 6:19 pm
Right. The Senator’s pastor made some colorful, “off the wall” comments. So, many here are making colorful, “off the wall” coments. So let’s “doom them all to death.” How ludicrous!!!!
Take a deep breath, count to ten, and see if the world has changed when you finish.
All these comments only allow us all to vent, and that’s not such a bad thing.
Posted by: Janice | March 15, 2008, 6:19 pm 6:19 pm
It is a matter of time before they find a video of Jeremiah Wright saying something out of his mind, and barack or his wife sitting there. Actually, do not be surprised if that video already exists and the likes of Karl-Rove are saving it for a really appropriate time.
Do you really think Obama can be elected despite this liability????
Posted by: P. | March 15, 2008, 6:20 pm 6:20 pm
I am sure we all know some people who make outrageous statements, but it is not easy to break off relationships so quickly. We can disagree with what they say and move on especially if you see that as not relevant to anything they do.
And also remember this. The so called relegious comittee in his campaign was namesake and never even met. So i do not even give much importance to Wright being on it.
The fact is Obama himself has come across as a very intelligent, tolerant and honest person. So we have to let this go.
Posted by: Venkat | March 15, 2008, 6:20 pm 6:20 pm
TO “KEN” who claims that Senator Obama has nothing to hide:
Senator Obama has nothing to hide as long as no media outlet reports on anything that he has not disclosed.
I look forward to hearing and seeing more disclosures from Senator Obama because his tax returns and earmark requests cannot be the only two things that he had to disclose during this campaign. I’m positive there is more.
Good luck with your choice, Ken!
Posted by: Crystal Coy | March 15, 2008, 6:20 pm 6:20 pm
30 seconds clip of cherry pick point on what wright said have ended up causing supposedly literate entities to start acting like fools.
Wrights statements may be charging but is true in all ramification. Afterall, the tuskegee saga he mentioned was a lie about this country and its govenment.The slaughter of innocent millions in iraq today was a lie about this country and its government. Hundreds of years of slavery is a lie, common people, wake up to the voice of the prophets. The truth is always bitter.
Posted by: alusi | March 15, 2008, 6:21 pm 6:21 pm
Yes MSNBC did a good job at trashing Ferreo over nothing but her telling the truth. They should apologize to her. It took them forever to mention something about Obamas preacher, mentor, friend for 20yrs. Then Keith Obermann had Obama on his show to denounce Wrights words. It was so hard for Chris Matthews to even get the words out of his mouth.I have never in my 48yrs seen a news channel promote a presidential candidate the way they do Obama. They really hate Clinton. I honestely think it is because she is a woman.What a liar Obama has turned out to be. Does he really think that we believe that he has never heard his preacher talk this way before? Opra goes to the same church! it scares me to think about a future with obama as president. If hillary does not get the nomination then I will vote for Mccain, anything to keep Obama out.
Posted by: benjie | March 15, 2008, 6:21 pm 6:21 pm
Iraq Vet: “I’m ashamed of Barack Hussein Obama. …” you hate him because you have strong racial hatred. Just say it … don’t be shy. Now, you have one more excuse to justify your hatred.
Posted by: catiger | March 15, 2008, 6:21 pm 6:21 pm
Lie down with dogs and wake up with fleas.
Rev Wright is a flea. And he just cost Obama the presidency. And who will the blacks blame? Whites.
Some things never change.
Posted by: Jo | March 15, 2008, 6:22 pm 6:22 pm
If you are a democrat making these negative statements, do you think it will help unite the party after the selection process ends? Do you really think it is Clinton and Obama supporters making these negative remarks? Could it be republicans or bully bloggers trying to upset democrats? I am tired of hearing about statements made by people connected to Clinton and Obama. Everyone on this blog has connects to people who overstate their case when talking about controversal topics they are passionate about. But we are intelligent enough to not have it affect our own judgment. We know that these friends have many good qualities that make up for their shortcomings. Give both Clinton and Obama a break and get back to more important issues. We don’t need more division in the country, we need more unity between all Americans: republicans, democrats, independents, and any other group wanting to better America.
Posted by: MikeMo1947 | March 15, 2008, 6:24 pm 6:24 pm
Cast our doubt aside, and let’s come together to fix our problems, and Barack Obama can just do that. People are asking way too much of Barack Obama, some just want to see him fail because they are not accostomed to veracity.
Posted by: demos | March 15, 2008, 6:25 pm 6:25 pm
I dont think its right to judge another by the views of his paster. i know i have oftendosed off during church. If I were held responsible for the views and actions of my catholic church i would be in alot of trouble.
Posted by: julie | March 15, 2008, 6:25 pm 6:25 pm
ABC News, are you now throwing all your weight behind Hillary? Why only negative titles and news on Barack Obama?
Posted by: Denis van Dam | March 15, 2008, 6:26 pm 6:26 pm
1) This will not scare away very liberal voters. They will still vote for Obama.
2) This will not scare away youngsters, for most of them will just not care. They will still go for Obama
3) This will not scare African Americans either: They will still support Obama.
4) But thanks to him the guy will lose a big chunk of the independent voters and non-liberal white male and women who supported him. And say goodbye to latinos forever.
Posted by: P. | March 15, 2008, 6:27 pm 6:27 pm
Barrack Obama has to face the facts on Mr. Wright’s record on his words and deal with the resulting political ramifications as they unfold. Now we find that Mr. Obama is once again trying to hide behind his relationships with suspicious characters such as Mr. Wright by trumping his race card. To this he calls the “forces of division” for simply highlighting the cliched and tired [pseudo] radical words of Mr. Wright as if though we the people are supposed to keep silent when we oppose that form of rhetoric.
Mr. Obama then presents us with a weak opposition to Mr. Wright’s rhetoric and then presents us with a patronizing and feeble conclusion that “we must come together” by way of Bobby Kennedy’s words. How we come together will be up to us as individuals and not as told by a Godhead or presidential candidate – the least of which being Barrack Obama.
No thanks.
Posted by: Cryptic | March 15, 2008, 6:28 pm 6:28 pm
I heard on Fox News that they have more video coming out on Monday that will be a mind burner.
Now seeing the Preacher I can tell where Michelle Obama’s comments came from. He was a big influence on her that is why she said the things she did. Could you imagine them in the White House. The Preacher is his spiritual advisor. I would hate Obama to pick up the phone at 3:00 AM. He would call the Preacher!!!
Posted by: Dean | March 15, 2008, 6:29 pm 6:29 pm
In a phone call with Wright, Obama cited a Rolling Stone story, “The Radical Roots of Barack Obama,” (the name of which has curiously been changed on the RS website) and told him, according to Wright, “You can get kind of rough in the sermons, so what we’ve decided is that it’s best for you not to be out there in public.”
Posted by: mel | March 15, 2008, 6:30 pm 6:30 pm
EasilyManipulated :
Huh? You actually admit to sitting under a pastor you don’t agree with?
It’s like Alice in Wonderland, here.
Posted by: Daniel | March 15, 2008, 6:30 pm 6:30 pm
“Okee-dokee”. Barak has “hoodwinked” and “bamboozled” his followers and much of the media. Now that he’s got the Democrat nomination nearly in the bag what are the Democrats going to do?? Steal the nomination from him and give it to Clinton??? That’ll go over real well!!!
Posted by: petee | March 15, 2008, 6:31 pm 6:31 pm
If Obama loses because of this, the nation needs to think carefully how little progress we have made.
I don’t fault whites (or people from other races) who feel deeply offended by Mr. Wright’s sermons. They are offensive. I think black people should all denouce Mr. Wright’s sermons. This is the only way out, for the nation, for Obama, and for democrats.
Mr. Wright should come forward and apologize sincerely. Hopefully, under the great pressure from AA community, he will do it.
Mr. Wright is a stupid and foolish old man who is probably on the verge of messing up this historical election.
Black people, do not defend the undefensible. Condemn it, instead!! The more you defend for Mr. Wright or less you condemn him, the more outrage you can potentially cultivate.
But, for those who want to condemn Obama becaue of Mr. Wright, you really think that’s fair?
Posted by: catiger | March 15, 2008, 6:31 pm 6:31 pm
Dogsoldier — are whites going to call Obama a white man. I have never ever seen in this country a white person acknowledge that a person who is half white, is white.
Let me know your opinion, is Obama a white man in your opinion?
Posted by: Karen | March 15, 2008, 6:31 pm 6:31 pm
Hmmm….
I saw the new pastor for Trinity Church interviewed on CNN last night.
He was defending Rev. Wright, and went on to say that blacks might still be slaves if the church wasn’t a strong advocate.
So, Mr. Obama, I wonder if you will listen to the words of Rev. Otis III, and demand that this technique of sermonizing be abandoned???
Posted by: OhioNative | March 15, 2008, 6:32 pm 6:32 pm
Obama is on big time damage control mode. He knows that if he cannot silence discussion about his 20 year association with Wright immediately before ordinary Democratic voters and the superdelegates become fully aware of it , then his candidacy is over. So of course he will conveniently lie about never hearing Wright preach hate in his sermons after attending them regularly for 20 years, and he has asked Wright to lie low for now until the MSM forgets about all this.
Posted by: Joseph | March 15, 2008, 6:33 pm 6:33 pm
Good point about his mother being white…that’s why I thought he’d be the perfect guy to bring the country together…he is a little liberal for my view (as I am opposed to abortion). I don’t call Barack a racist at all, he’s having to toe a fine line, but for the ones who justify Wrights speech…that’s just incredibly dumb or youre racist. I wish Obama would open himself up more to questions, ideas. He is more electable than Hillary. And yes, Slick Willy Bill pulled the racist stuff first, and HE should be ashamed. But going to an “unashamedly black”…geez guys/gals…that’s just weird to me, and you can’t be represtative of americans. We have multiple races in our church, and we would never say a certain race or culture needed to be taught. To keep going there and to leave this guy around you so long…that says a Little/ or a lot about Bobama…and I can’t vote for him at all now.
Posted by: Joe | March 15, 2008, 6:33 pm 6:33 pm
Imagine if this guy was the Clintons preacher?
How would have the media or BO’s campaign handled it?
Posted by: panderson | March 15, 2008, 6:35 pm 6:35 pm
Obama’s problem is that he is running on his superior judgment. Belonging to a church that preaches hate against America shows very poor judgment, especially when you are running to become president of America…DUH!! You may have problems with the country, but preaching hate and lies is not going to help solve those problems.
Posted by: Wake Up! | March 15, 2008, 6:35 pm 6:35 pm
slw, these statements about the Black value system are ill-advised, but they are meant to try to uplift the community of the church. You and I would phrase it a different way, but that doesn’t mean the the people at the church are bigots because they want to help the black community do better. The black community has ENORMOUS problems right now. Some of those problems can only be solved by making a committment to helping it. Would I phrase it differently? YES. Would Barack? I bet he would. Why not take things in context instead of one-line-at-a-time?
Posted by: Lee | March 15, 2008, 6:36 pm 6:36 pm
Don Imus made some “off the wall” comments and blacks hounded him off the air.
But let’s just “forget and forgive” a man who says this, and who is part of Barack’s campaign.
Janice, get real.
Posted by: Jo | March 15, 2008, 6:36 pm 6:36 pm
Please, my AA friends, don’t you see the other side does have a point??
Condemn Mr. Wright and his sermons by strongest term possible and force him to make a sincere apology. He is the only one who can help to heal the deep wound.
If he can not stand up and do the right thing, Obama is toasted. PERIOD.
Posted by: catiger | March 15, 2008, 6:36 pm 6:36 pm
If pastor Wright is one of the “forces of division”, then why did Obama subject himself and his family to his hate filled, bigoted sermons for 20 years? You just can’t have it both ways, bud. Oh I forgot, you only went to church on the days that pastor Wright gave his non racist sermons, LOL.
Posted by: Jim | March 15, 2008, 6:37 pm 6:37 pm
Hmmm . . . the gold leaf is staring to come off the
Obama machine. We find him just as hypocrytical as any other . . . how depressing . . .
Posted by: andescot | March 15, 2008, 6:38 pm 6:38 pm
Don’t you worry folks – there is an army out to take Obama at his challenge -
“I was NEVER there when that type of sermon was given . . .”
First off, one video shows Wright pointing into the crowd as he starts one of his sermons (filled with rants later on) when he says
“There is a man in the audience (pointing, looks down at speech, looks up in the direction of ‘the man’) who can take this country in a new direction . . .”
Yeah, we have seen what direction you have been teaching him to take for the last 20 years.
One photo. One video. During One Of These Sermons. And It’s Over.
Think of the number of people who would take a quick picture with their phone, if they saw a Senator in the pew near them?
This is why Obama can’t come out too strongly and dare the media to find him there – he himself doesn’t know who might have an image of him, on the wrong day.
He acts as though Wright has two sermons every Sunday – one in case Barack is there, and another if he is not. That is rubbish. He prepares his sermon and he delivers it, regardless of who’s in attendance. And Obama himself claimed he never had to walk out because no hate sermon was ever given while he was there.
Check donations leave a trail. Figure out the dates, match them to the sermons. Case Closed.
Secret Service Detail has careful records. Match them to Trinity Church on the wrong day, and it’s Case Closed.
Photos or videos showing Obama in attendance, or worse, like News max says, in AGREEMENT with the sermon given, and its Case Closed.
And trying to bring up Clinton’s past to distract America from Obama’s Present will result in CASE CLOSED.
Posted by: 2009 | March 15, 2008, 6:38 pm 6:38 pm
Another in a long line of woe is me.
Now he is back to not knowing his paster very well. From my friend, mentor and confidant.
Mr Obama it is not the white people who have the hatred, hold the divide. We have not for decades.
We always say American, You and the black people say, African American, Black or white, Making sure there is a Divide know.
The low income are made up of Americans.
of all variety of all. There is no divide in poverty, hungry, homeless, they are not just Black or minorities.
You speak of uniting, but you divide, you speak of all the same, but you separate.
It is not just your pastor, You have done it over and over again.
That we can forgive.
You lying to Americans we can not forgive.
You lied to us, Acting sincere when you said it. We believed you words. Then come back and say I do know them better than I first said, only when it was proven. How many times now? numerious.
Im sorry, You have lied one to many times.
Posted by: seah | March 15, 2008, 6:38 pm 6:38 pm
Barack sits for 20 years and hears this hate.
But he says he doesn’t agree and let’s all believe him and make him PRESIDENT.
YOU’VE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!!!
Posted by: Jo | March 15, 2008, 6:38 pm 6:38 pm
When it is proved that Obama lied about being present at any of these hate filled sermons, his candidacy will be over! There is a news org. that has stated that they have proof that Obama was present at least one of these sermons if not more. Obama said he was NEVER present. Regardless of what you think about Rev. Wright and if Obama’s connection to him is important or not, when it is proved he intentionally lied on national tv, he will be removed from the race.
Posted by: Michael | March 15, 2008, 6:40 pm 6:40 pm
As Obama says, judge him on what you have heard HIM say. If you judge people by the craziness of their supporters, just looking at this web site will mean you will be very afraid of what will happen if “100-year-war” McCain or “rich white women have it tougher than blacks” Hillary get in. We’ve had eight years ruled by a president allied to religious lunatics who think war in the middle east will bring Jesus back to Earth. McCain is close to Falwell and Hagee, two MAJOR nuts. Some of you should stop being so selective in whose preachers you go after.
Posted by: Jesus is Coming | March 15, 2008, 6:40 pm 6:40 pm
PS – If ALL I KNEW were those statements – - -
that implies directly “I knew these statements AND OTHERS
If ALL I KNEW were ONLY those statements? He and Wright talked about this a year ago, having to part ways somewhat once people found out about Wright. Obama even agreed, according to Wright, that he would have to basically shun him in public because he couldn’t be seen as friends before the American people.
And this is your idea of a New Honest Politics?
Again, rushing to bring up Clinton and 1992 doesn’t explain or excuse Obama and 2008, so try another argument other than tax records, libraries and Monica. This has nothing to do with why Obama is lying about all of this and so much more.
Posted by: 2009 | March 15, 2008, 6:41 pm 6:41 pm
Kitty, I don’t honestly see why you consider Barack’s experience to be a sham. I have read his first book, Dreams From My Father, and his second one, The Audacity of Hope. Both were deep, sincere, and profoundly moving. In his first book, as a youngster, he is in search of his identity–which is not unusual for any youth, except for the fact that he hardly knew his father, who was Kenyan, and was being raised by his mother, who was caucasian, of good Kansas stock. He talks of his involvement with the church as part of being involved in the work with the poor, mostly black community in Chicago, the Altgeld housing projects. He was seeking involvement from the faith-based community in serving what had been an historical focus for the black community to help mentor black youth, and give them some hope. As an organizer, it was an excellent move, as the church has in important role to play. We know this is true for our white youth; so why would be begrudge it to a neighborhood of predominantly black youth. This is not racism. It is a reality. In Chapter Six of this remarkable book, Barack writes: “And in that single note–hope!–I heard something else, at the foot of that cross, inside the thousands of churches across the city. I imagined the stories of ordinary black people merging with the stories of David and Goliath, Moses and Pharoah, the Christians in the lion’s den, Ezekiel’s field of dry bones. Those stories–of survival, and freedom, and hope–became our story, my story; the blood that had spilled was our blood, the tears our tears; until this black church, on this bright day, seemed once more a vessel carrying the story of a people into future generations and into a larger world.” (p. 294) I believe that Christians of true faith, and peoples of all races, genders, and ages across this nation will rise up in support of Barack Obama, and his doubters and detractors will make way for the truth to shine through. Those who stand in the way of hope are the sham; those who adhere to hope grounded in faith will prevail.
Posted by: Justinteim | March 15, 2008, 6:41 pm 6:41 pm
Maybe the reason Michelle Obama is just now being proud of America is because she has been listening to this poor excuse for a black preacher for 20 years. DAAAAAA
He shamed his own religion and has probably been preaching the same sermon for 20 years. He is one of these people
who call ” themselves” to preach and not a true “God Called Preacher”
Posted by: judy | March 15, 2008, 6:43 pm 6:43 pm
Hi Catiger, I do share your views with slight difference. The point of politics is to use anything you have against your opponent. What we saw on TV was less than 15second clips. Very charging and disturbing on the surface but what is the messages of the sermon. When he mentioned about the Tuskegee men, what he talking about. Even though the words may be charged, its simply the truth and the truth is that this war in iraq today will have its consequenses tommorow unless we as a nation correct our ways. Our leaders, be it clinton, obama, or Johnny need to do that for us and our generation down the pike.Its a message for all americans not just black folks
Thanks
Posted by: alusi | March 15, 2008, 6:43 pm 6:43 pm
The pastor had told before itself to Obama that if he wins primary he needs to distance himself from him… it is just that the news got broken quicker. A person running for the top most post in this country needs to make sure his associations are with people who care for the entire country. Obama can continue to represent south chicago, but not our country. Let him first unite the people who like in his city before trying to unite the country.
Vote using your brain. We cannot gamble with this country again. Cannot afford another Bush.
Posted by: GS | March 15, 2008, 6:43 pm 6:43 pm
I am not surprised by any Republican bringing this up as it is legitimate questions even though I don’t know how guilty by association make anyone a bad person.
What amazes me is how some Clinton supporters are acting and what they are saying even in this forum, now come Nov if Clinton is the nominee and the Republicans suddenly find some other guilty by association claim on her, do you expect me then not to believe them? If you are chosing to believe the Republicans now, It is clear I think they are smarter than any democrat alive.
Posted by: Mark Twain | March 15, 2008, 6:45 pm 6:45 pm
Obama is unelectable. Give it a few days or even a few weeks to sink in.
They cannot get rid of something this fundamentally anti white and anti american.
There is no way Obama would still be in the race if this story broke before the Iowa primary.
Posted by: tomdavie | March 15, 2008, 6:55 pm 6:55 pm
Wow do all of you got to church????Religion dones not belong in politics…..
Posted by: h | March 15, 2008, 7:02 pm 7:02 pm
Wow Wendy you have really made me want to vote for Obama. It’s people like you that are helping divide this party. You must be one of the republicans for Obama. HAHA It’s people like you who have turned me off from Obama in the first place. At first I might have voted for Obama, but I would be ashamed to support whoever you are voting for.
What does Bill Clinton’s affair have to do with this? Nothing expect Obama supporters attempt to change the subject.
Hillary ’08 or bust!
Posted by: CK Canon | March 15, 2008, 7:03 pm 7:03 pm
The difference between Bill Clinton and Obama is that Clinton was the president. It is hard to get a president out of office. It is very easy to force a candidate out of an election.
We will not be hearing from Obama anymore. His campaign will fizzle and he will fade into the background.
Posted by: Michael | March 15, 2008, 7:04 pm 7:04 pm
Lets be a little slower to rush to judgement. We have years of Obama’s own public life, his many many supporters and his own words and two very honest books he wrote to judge him by. Lets not condemn him for a few phrases said by his minister when he wasn’t even present, inflammatory as those phrases may be.
Posted by: Frank Kendall | March 15, 2008, 7:05 pm 7:05 pm
Hey! Did anyone on this Blog spent the time listening to entire sermon? I have been married to a lady of another race for more than 30 years and find all of this discomfort between the races funny. I wonder if thats because there is no patience for any other person’s reasoning today. “I love you until you do something to make me angry” then thats it buddy! out of my life you go”! I would guess that many of you are also a little on the lonely side because you seem to think that everyone is sneaking around or have done something that you don’t approve of behind your back. Please, maybe he(Obama)is not the one you were going to vote for anyway. Its OK! just give positive words to the one you do want to vote for and I know that you’ll feel better when you’ve done that. Perhaps, if you forgive a few people in your
lifetime that you cared for, you may also understand why you probably have such a big heart as you do.
Express yourself, on the blog but give a expression to the one you like otherwise the pool of humanity that we’re all a part of might see you as being a little ugly. Now, others can show themselves that way but you may want to show your good side more often.
I love the man (Obama)because he has shown me that he is honest enough to be there. Comparison of honesty might find that all the candidates have failed us somehow, none is perfect. Ask yourself, Are you? Yes, you are running for something among people every day of your life. Get the nomination of approval or loose another opportunity to making a friend. So as I said, have you not done something wrong at sometime, somewhere, to a friend, lover, mother, father? Would you like it if they confronted but, forgave you?
Posted by: James | March 15, 2008, 7:05 pm 7:05 pm
Chef Oprahma, the preeminent slicer of baloney in the world. And quoting Bobby Kennedy, how very impressive. This guy knows where to slice, when to slice, but not necessarily how to slice. He slices, he dices. Maybe we can get him a spot on “Martha Stewart Living” and they can make cupcakes.
Posted by: TheRockofAges | March 15, 2008, 7:06 pm 7:06 pm
I refuse to believe that Americans are too stupid to see through the ruse of race-baiting that is being perpetrated by so many bloggers on this board. But Hillary knows that she can not win on the merits, as she has already been defeated. So her fall-back strategy is to cast doubt and dispersion on Sen. Obama’s faith, using the lap-dog media and her goon squad supporters to divert the dialogue from issues to personal attacks. You know, I believe that this kind of “petty” politicing has run its course. Throwing lame excuses for not voting for someone, and then blaming him is a tactic that the majority of Americans can see through. Senator Obama, and the American people, deserve better. We will rise above this pettiness on the part of the “Swift-boaters.”
Posted by: Justinteim | March 15, 2008, 7:07 pm 7:07 pm
Either Mr. Obama is living in the fantasy world or he thinks that people are so dumb that he can get away with his smooth speech on any issues and controversies. He was associated with this most divisive pastor for so long and now he is condemning him only after every thing came out in the news which could be the setback of his presidential nomination. How on the earth that such a smart guy would not know for so long what pastor was preaching about? Pastor was all over advocating his radical views so openly and he agreed on his radical view which is the reason he is actively involve in that church. And I will not be surprised if tomorrow we see him on one of those videos. He was not only a pastor for him but also he is his dear friend and mentor who introduced him to the Jesus Christ. Either Obama is so ignorant or so dumb to say that he was not well aware of the person’s view who is so close with him for so long. Do we want the person to lead the country who was swayed by the radical anti American rhetoric for so long? And he even didn’t know the context of the preaching? He has nothing to offer other than empty hope that he has learned from the radical pastor for so long. How we can trust and believe him that he is not influenced by the radical ( racist) ideas? He wouldn’t have Mr. Wright baptized his daughters if he didn’t feel comfortable with his philosophy and ideas. If the person doesn’t like the other person’s idea and view , I don’t think that friendship would last that long and one would consider other one is this mentor. Obama will say anything to get nomination and apologize millions times and condemn everything that he believed in. Stay tuned, he will condemn his wife for so many hateful speeches she has given in the course of this campaign and also thesis she has written while she was in Princeton. After all, he can tell us she is just his wife and doesn’t agree with her on everything. Let’s keep “HOPE” alive.
Posted by: Aj | March 15, 2008, 7:08 pm 7:08 pm
If anyone think that this story was not presented in a specific order, to bait Obama into lying, think again.
Here is the story in its order of realization.
News Max sends Jim Davis to Trinity, on a July Sunday, 2007.
During a sermon laced with racial attacks, Obama, in attendance, is seen nodding in apparent agreement as Wright speaks about Bush and White America.
Then this story sits because no agency will pick it up.
January 14, 2008 – the story is broke, again by news max, that Farrahkan is the Person Of The Year, awarded by his old friend Wright, for Trinity Church.
Now, 2 months to the day really, March 14, 2008 news max AGAIN breaks the video rant that Brian Russell picks up from a b c news.
And now we are hearing there is video proof, from the church visit, that Obama was at a hate sermon in July.
They allow him to first come on the air and say I Never.
What do you think is going to happen next week? Don’t you think news max knew about the sermons, that is why they SENT Davis there in the first place. Do you really think he wouldn’t have had some kind of camera, recorder, or video to back up the story?
What better way then to completely show someone for a liar, then to release the goods, let the person become indignant and say NEVER WAS THERE and then BAM, show the tape.
Case Closed.
If this weren’t the case the story in January would have been “I Sat With Obama During Racist Sermon”. That would have been the story. But it wasn’t, was it.
There is a plan here, to prove him as dishonest. They knew he would deny it. And they know they have the film to show otherwise.
Posted by: 2009 | March 15, 2008, 7:09 pm 7:09 pm
AlltheFault:
Hey! Quit posting things that make sense. You want us to stop to realize that ALL the candidates have preacher friends who are idiots? Don’t you realize the Cliton/McCain supporters don’t want to be confused by the facts? Don’t you understand you’re only allowed to post one thing on here? That being:
“Hillary is the best! Hillary is the best!” (or “McCain is pretty good too!” is also acceptable.)
Posted by: ratmach | March 15, 2008, 7:10 pm 7:10 pm
Daryl,
These videos that have been public, and made last year are not NEWS!!! Why should the media spend so much time on something one of the Presidential candidate’s pastor says when they’re not interrogating all of the candidates’ pastors? By the way when FAUX news pushes this story for political gain, most intelligent people know that it’s not news worthy.
Posted by: Janice | March 15, 2008, 7:33 pm 7:33 pm
“Rev. Wright gives speeches (sermons) about hate, racism, and lays the blame for ALL of the problems of the African Americans on white America and the US government.”
No, he doesn’t actually. He says it’s about US and the changes WE need to make. It is plain dishonest to extrapolate a FEW speeches from a forty year career and claim what you just did. But dishonesty comes naturally to Republicans.
Posted by: no more lies | March 15, 2008, 7:34 pm 7:34 pm
I have been spiritually awake for some 10 years. Spiritually awake means LOVE. When in the past I went to a spiritual advisor it was to learn more about how to love. How I can experience love more deeply. How I can be the center of LOVE.
My spiritual advisor and my spirituality is who I am. It is so deep inside of me. There is no way I can LOVE and listen to hatred.
I grew up in Chicago’s Mayor Daley dishonest politics. Obama says he is proud to be a rough and tumble Chicago Politician. Immediately I knew Obama’s dirty laundry would come out. There is much more dirty laundry for him to come out. I believe he cheated with Rezco on purchasing his home at a big discount of a good $200,000.
Corruption is Chicago Politics with big neon signs and capital letters.
Hatred as espoused by Rev Wright has no business in God. God has no interest in Hatred of any kind.
When the republicans get hold of this they will crush him. I can see the Swift Boats on TV destroying him. The election will become a racial war. The country might go into revolt. We must avoid this at all costs.
If Obama can prove he is a good guy then he should serve as VP first to give himself time to prove himself. Then he can run for President without the civil war that this Reverend Wright might cause.
I am a life long Democrat. I might vote for Obama if he is nominated. I am really against more Republicans. The country must avoid the Republicans. But my one vote can not avoid the Republicans winning. We must put up the strongest candidate. This is what Hillary meant when she says she has been vetted. Obama is now at the start of a vetting process among friendly Democrats. What will happen when the Swift Boat attacks Obama. It will be a massacure.
Obama has no chance of winning the presidency now that all this dirty laundry has come out. Everyone please tell your Democratic party you want Hillary on the top of the ticket. Let us offer Obama the VP for this election. Democrats must win this November. We can not get crushed by the Republicans once again.
Had Obama been more properly vetted early in this election cycle then he would have been dropped long ago. Now we have a bigger problem. He can not win the presidency and yet he supporters are counting on him winning. There is going to be much pain in the Democratic party.
Posted by: DemocratForever | March 15, 2008, 7:34 pm 7:34 pm
Some people still look back for racist decades ago when they think black people were slaves and so on.
what about other race like Asian for example, they used to be slaves but the different they move on and with their pride they work harder and get more education.
You can not keep thinking backward it will always hurt you no matter what.
People will look at you depends on your act.
Posted by: crisi08 | March 15, 2008, 8:42 pm 8:42 pm
Obama stated on the Fox News show that he is not planning to leave his church. The problem is not just the pastor but the whole congration. If you look the tapes of the Obama’s pastor, all the members of church were into what the pastor was saying and strongly agree with the comments made by the pastor. Also, Fox News conducted an interviews with some of the members of church and they felt that the pastor was speaking the true and do not have a problem with his messages. How can Obama disagree with the pastor but stay when the all the members of church feels that same as the pastor.
Posted by: whitedd | March 15, 2008, 8:43 pm 8:43 pm
It’s not anti-American for a man of God to believe the bombings of Nagasaki or Hiroshima were wrong, or to believe our foreign policies have helped to get us hated in the Middle East.
The pope believes the same thing.
The guy who blessed the Nagasaki bombers later changed his mind and believed the same thing.
“Right or wrong my country” is bunkum when you let it overshadow basic morality.
Posted by: Christian Today | March 15, 2008, 8:43 pm 8:43 pm
in a week this will get virtually no media play… just look at the way this primary season has progressed (every weekend the media is running these fire drills (ie: ‘monster’, Rezko, Ferraro, J Jackson, 3am add, ect..) even mccain has some controversial preachers in his corner (faldwell & hagee)
at the end of the day, our media has to address more substantive issues than what one someone’s preacher, surrogate, family member or supporter said. Unfortunately, we’re enamored with these sensationalized stories that the real meat and potatoes get overlooked.
Posted by: CW | March 15, 2008, 8:43 pm 8:43 pm
Zino: I can’t fathom why many people can’t resist the push to project on another their own weakness and gullibility. If Obama could hear those divisive ideas and still feel pushed and committed to invite all to unity,that makes him different from most of us who would have acted otherwise were we in his shoes. He is an agent of CHANGE. This is a prove of it and probably one of the reasons for it.He is different from Wright and from most of us and that is what we are afraid to accept.GOD BLESS UNITED S.A
Posted by: ZINO | March 15, 2008, 8:43 pm 8:43 pm
It is rediculous how people extrude 10 secs from 3 different sermons and string them together to make seem like Wright is full of hate. It is truely impossible to extract these statement and have them stand on their own. You have to look at the context of the overall message. The problem is that the people are so impressionable that they believe everything they see as fact and do not think for themselves. Everything is not what it seems at times. The powers that be are attacking people around Obama to bring him down because they have nothing on Obama. They attack his race and Christian relationship with God. People better wake up and think about what is going on.
Posted by: Taj Haynes | March 15, 2008, 8:44 pm 8:44 pm
I am heart sick hearing about all this hatred spewing out from a United Church of Christ, the TRinity Church .. year after year..OMG.. Why didnt someone pull the plug years ago??! …Think of all the little children warped and brainwashed minds because of this.. They should tar and feather Wright and Obama should step out of the presidential nomination immediately…He obviously lacks good judgment of character being under the devil Wright’s wing for all those years……SPIRITUAL GENOCIDE.. And. ..i thought the whites and the blacks were getting along better & now i envision a civil war..Since war, the whites have been pushing tolerance for one another….desegregation. love for each other.. If the blacks had heard of a white church doing what they have been doing ..it would have been burned to the ground …and the attenders hauled off to jail….it’s so horrible…i’m wondering if the blacks can ever heal from the years and years of brainwashing..This church has hurt so many people..blacks and whites….it should be torn down to the ground..and skull and cross bones placed on it.. It is truly a horribly wicked and unholy place …and very sinful to have that spawn of satan preaching there for 20 years………..
Posted by: skypawny | March 15, 2008, 8:47 pm 8:47 pm
“okdokethen” obviously you watch Fox News. You poor soul needs saving. Find Jesus!!
Posted by: Taj Haynes | March 15, 2008, 8:48 pm 8:48 pm
OBAMA
Wife not proud to be an American
Refuses to salute American flag
Pastor says “God Damn America”
Rezko now gave $250,000, not lesser amount earlier stated
Who is this guy trying to kid, he has taken a page out of Bill Clintons campaign book, Look them right in the eye and lie to them and hope they believe you.
This man is a sham and a disgrace
Posted by: jim 234 | March 15, 2008, 8:48 pm 8:48 pm
“The politics of hope is increasingly becoming the politics of hoping no one notices that Obama says one thing but does another,” Obama’s trying to have it both ways, decrying political loopholes two months ago and using them to his advantage now. That’s hardly change you can believe in.”I watched Obama on CNN with Anderson and answers to his relationship with his pastor was very shady. Remember folks that we are
talking about choosing the president of this great nation of ours and we do not want a president like Obama. I am glad that we are still in the primaries and still have the time to choose wisely. I have been saying this all along since the Tony Rezko case went to court.
HILLARY IS OUR BEST CHOICE. HILLARY 08
Posted by: UGOCHUKWU | March 15, 2008, 8:49 pm 8:49 pm
Taj,
If there’s a reason to believe that there the only sermons this guy ever made that said things like this, you’d be right.
Now, do me a favor and spend 10 min on that church’s website and come back and tell me if you still believe that those were the only 3 times he said something like that.
Posted by: Greg M | March 15, 2008, 8:49 pm 8:49 pm
The media has been throwing powder puffs at this guy for so long that now he gets indignant when they report anything that he doesn’t like. Imagine if this guy becomes president. This guy is dangerous!
Posted by: ayron | March 15, 2008, 8:50 pm 8:50 pm
kane “I will move to Canada.”
Send us a card.
Posted by: happyholidays | March 15, 2008, 8:51 pm 8:51 pm
This is a truly lamentable time for the Democratic Party. One nominee has lost his judgment argument with the revelations of unwise business dealings and an equally imprudent 20 year association with a fiery pastor. The other nominee lends aid and comfort to the enemy with her arguments that bolster the Republicans and offers questionable foreign relations credentials refuted by Sinbad of all people. Truly sad! There is only one thing to say… keep it up! :-) Mac/08
Posted by: smartprimate | March 15, 2008, 8:51 pm 8:51 pm
I estimate the time until some news outlet (beyond taht newsmax account) places him an incidinary sermon at 7 days max.
Maybe not the one we’ve seen so far, but there will be one. The website sells them on CD, and i’m sure new outlets are buying them all, pouring through them all in a race to be the first one a camera shot of Obama in attendance during one of these diatribes.
Posted by: Greg M | March 15, 2008, 8:53 pm 8:53 pm
This story has legs like I’ve not seen so far in this election. I think it’s the beginning of the end for Obama. The news organizations are starting to tie dates of his church attendance to hate filled sermons in order to show that Obama lied.
Posted by: greg | March 15, 2008, 8:53 pm 8:53 pm
rutalex:
People need to watch the videos of Wright’s sermons more carefully. At first I thought everyone was jumping up and down cheering in the pews. But if you look closer, it’s maybe 25% or so. The rest are more or less just sitting there. A few of them even seem to be looking at the person next to them uncomfortably. Watch some of the people in the choir seats behind him too. In other words, it’s VERY possible for people to sit in on his sermons — even his overthetop ones — and not agree with everything he says.
Posted by: ratmach | March 15, 2008, 8:55 pm 8:55 pm
“The media has been throwing powder puffs at this guy for so long”.
THIS is a powder puff. They can’t find anything out of his mouth to go after, so they try to tarnish by association. It’s really, really weak, and only works if we forget the forty plus felons with which Hillary has associated or that McCain is a fan of Falwell and that end-timer nut Hagee
Posted by: MichaelLam | March 15, 2008, 8:57 pm 8:57 pm
Yeah, Obama is different then us. That is right.
Most of us would have stood up, grabbed our wives and children and got the HELL OUT OF THERE.
Instead, Obama stayed 20 years.
Posted by: 2009 | March 15, 2008, 8:59 pm 8:59 pm
Ratmach,
If these were the only sermons…perhaps.
Now go look at their website for awhile, do some digging on Wright for a bit and tell me whether you honestly think these were the only times he did it.
And, if Obama went there for this many years…that he jsut happened to be magically absent every time…
Posted by: Greg M | March 15, 2008, 8:59 pm 8:59 pm
Obama lied big time. If these hate filled sermons were not the norm in that church you wouldn’t see the audience members jumping up and down clapping and cheering.
Posted by: jeff | March 15, 2008, 9:01 pm 9:01 pm
Obama needs to resign from the Senate and withdraw from the Presidential race. How many times does he get a free pass for lying and covering up his past. He lied about the Nafta ordeal, he lied about not being in the sermons when Wright mentioned in his December 2007 sermon that Obama was in the audience, he lied about Rezko. How many other lies does he have to tell before people wise up!!! He will say and do anything to get elected. He doesn’t stand a chance of being elected in November and he is tearing down the Democratic Party.
Posted by: debbie | March 15, 2008, 9:06 pm 9:06 pm
Obama not being truthful.
Posted by: lois | March 15, 2008, 9:06 pm 9:06 pm
On the positive side, it explains why Michelle Obama is so angry. After listening to those hate monger sermons for twenty years what else would you expect.
Posted by: jackie | March 15, 2008, 9:06 pm 9:06 pm
Obama is over. The support is dropping off in droves.
Posted by: Kevin | March 15, 2008, 9:10 pm 9:10 pm
How dare the media or anyone question this man or the people campaigning for him! How dare anyone say his middle name or question his patriotism or voting record or the demographics that support him. Anyone who dares question this man must be labeled a racist. If we all stick with this tactic he has a good chance of getting in.
Posted by: Nelly | March 15, 2008, 9:11 pm 9:11 pm
Oh the hate that those poor Obama children must have in their heart. Has anyone thought of calling Child Protective Services to intervene?
Posted by: Terry | March 15, 2008, 9:12 pm 9:12 pm
This is the first time I’ve posted on this blog, and I think if the reverend weren’t ranting, and instead, were writing his thoughts, it would be very hard to criticize him. Really… who let’s their 18-year-old daughter travel to Aruba for her graduation? The way she died was unfortunate, but she should have been smarter about staying safe and not “hooking up” with the first boy who paid attention to her.
Posted by: MB | March 15, 2008, 9:14 pm 9:14 pm
With all the Clinton immorality, legal peculiarities and convolutions lingering out there, Hillary is running for the first woman president of the United States of America. But, some choose to forget there is freedom of worship. The worship and church Barack Obama prefers is his choice and none of anyone’s business, since this over 20 year old church is not a national security threat. If it were, it would have been shut down by the government of the United States of America. Senator Obama has rejected words spoken by the pastor Wright that are incendiary political statements.
Poor democrats, they know not what they do. . . .the Fl and Michigan vote fiasco. . . Now some would deny another Freedom of Worship. Look around you. There is the reality of the Black Church rooted in the history of this country. It is O.K. for the Irish to be catholic, I think. I was brought up African Methodist Episcopal in Philadelphia, PA. and I am American. My heritage is African, although I do not have that knowledge. While the Irish, can care about Ireland and its traditions, the black American is challenged to care about Africa from whence his forebears come. Senator Obama is rejecting the “political statements” of pastor Wright, correctly because they are incendiary. But can voters call on Mr. Obama as candidate for the nomination to the presidency, to reject himself? He is African and Euro-Amrican by birth, having been born to Kansan mother and Kenyan father. Barack Obama rightfully should be called an “empty suit” only if he were to reject his bi-racial heritage.
Much is radically wrong in Denmark. Common sense will tell the youth and the rest of the voters, and we do have common sense, that if Hillary Clinton with the Clinton machine behind her, former first lady and former president spouse, could not defeat Barck Obama Super Tuesday, Hillary Clinton is not the change the reasoned and passionate voters of the U.S.A. are seeking.
Let us give unity a chance, hard though this may be since Americans are so, so many ethnicities. This critique of the faith of Mr. Obama is a “vetting,” it would seem to a reasoned supporter of Mr. Obama. If it comes from Hillary campaign, so be it, because this kind of vetting could very well come from the McCain campaign sooner or later.
Posted by: Victoria | March 15, 2008, 9:15 pm 9:15 pm
“The support is dropping off in droves.” Keep telling yourself that Kevin. I’ll wait for the primary votes thanks. Voting for a president is always voting for the lesser of the evils. McCain is the greatest of the evils. Hillary comes second. The only thing anyone has on Obama is what his preacher said.
I guess if all of you could be judged by what your preachers say you’d be a lot more Christian than you appear in these posts. Unless there’s a problem with your preachers.
Posted by: Christian Today | March 15, 2008, 9:16 pm 9:16 pm
“Greg”,
You have to remember where this church is located. It is in the South of Chicago. Have you been? This is a part of the city, which is predominately black, poor, and for the most part uneducated. As a church in this area, you have to talk directly to the community. You have to uplift the people, motivate them, and instill the word of God into they. You communicate differently with different people. I believe what scares people is communication gap. When you highlight “Chosen People”, it refers to those that are saved by accepting Jesus as their Lord and Savior.
I will agree that these statement appear alarming as they appear on the video clips, but I do stand by the fact that you cannot come to the conclusions that the media has made from them. You have to look at the body of work and the change they have made to all the members of the congregation and community. If “hate” was preached, I do not think Obama would be where he is today. In fact, this presumtion will indicate that he hates his white half and hates him mom and grandparents that raised him to be the man he is today. I find that to be a stretch of an argument.
Posted by: Taj Haynes | March 15, 2008, 9:16 pm 9:16 pm
Jim B – You said,
What’s worse is that the mainstream press knew about this man and did not tell us until he was safely in command of the nomination.
Not quite. Pennsylvannia, Florida and Michigan are coming up. That can tip the balance. Do what you need to do volunteer/donate to make sure the right person gets the nomination. That is the only way to “clean ourselves” of this filth.
Good Luck.
Posted by: Mark David | March 15, 2008, 9:18 pm 9:18 pm
How come every time something negative comes out against his past he has to blame it on somebody else. You haven’t seen any stories about Hillary attending a church that spews this kind of garbage. I have been to Catholic churches and quite a few black churches, and never once did I ever hear any of this stuff during a sermon.
Posted by: J | March 15, 2008, 9:21 pm 9:21 pm
“Music to my ears. Many Obama dislikers.” No, the same three or four under different pseudonyms, especially the one who has problems spelling “divisive”. The funniest ones are the ones who pretend to be women but when you put their words into a grammar analyzer get outed as men. But nobody says Republicans are bright.
Posted by: Not a Fox Fan | March 15, 2008, 9:21 pm 9:21 pm
Do any of the BHO fans remember that the delegates already decided upon can change their vote at the convention?
Picture this ad with a BHO/Mccain election…fade in BHO with Wright, and then clips of Wright spewing his hatefilled rhetoric including, “GDA”…then fade to Mccain in uniform and in POW clothes…
Slam dunk for the republcans.
Can you say buyers remorse?
Posted by: pp | March 15, 2008, 9:23 pm 9:23 pm
“You haven’t seen any stories about Hillary attending a church that spews this kind of garbage.” No. With her it’s the crook associates and the feminist misandrists who diss POWs and “men trained to kill” you have to look out for
Posted by: Gloria stuns em | March 15, 2008, 9:24 pm 9:24 pm
Martin, the forces of divison he is speaking of is his pastor. he is saying that the words or devisive, and that he rjects them, and that they do not represent who he Obama is, or what he believes.
Posted by: LAURA | March 15, 2008, 9:25 pm 9:25 pm
Greg, I agree with you about him knowing about it. If they do somehow prove that he knew about it. He will have honesty issues. I am sure people are looking. I am not sure they will be able to find anything though. Good intelligent conversation tonight! Be well my ABCnews friend.
Posted by: Taj Haynes | March 15, 2008, 9:25 pm 9:25 pm
What’s funny is…..this is a church? I haven’t really heard anything about religion in all of this except for the word Jesus used a few convenient times by BO. The Hagee guy who supports McCain is a whacko…..but at least there’s reference (albeit ridiculous and scandalous). Rev. Wright’s comments are only about whites keeping the black man down and Natalee Holloway being easy.
Posted by: MGPGH | March 15, 2008, 9:26 pm 9:26 pm
The Republicans will have a field day with this one. There is no way the democrats will win if Obama is the nominee. I am sure this is not all of what’s been hiding in Obama’s closet. Too bad the MSM didn’t do their job earlier.
Posted by: J | March 15, 2008, 9:27 pm 9:27 pm
martin – the forces of division he is speaking of is his pastor. Obama is saying that the words spoken by his pastor were divisive, and that he, rejects them, and that they do NOT represent who he, Obama is, or what he believed.
Posted by: LAURA | March 15, 2008, 9:27 pm 9:27 pm
Fox News just shows an interview that they conducted with Rev. Wright on March 7, 2007. In the interview, Rev Wright that Oprah and Obama were members in 2007. Oprah disassociated herself a year ago. She has been pushing Obama on your viewers. Both Obama and Oprah knew of the pastor’s believe.
In the next minutes, Fox News is plannng to show more tapes of Rev. Wright that have not been seen until now.
Posted by: whitedd | March 15, 2008, 9:29 pm 9:29 pm
It seems that news media and radio talk hosts are afraid to scrutinize candidates (because of their ratings). Remember after 911, every one were afraid to comment negatively about our president Mr. Bush. Mr. Bush took advantage of his popularity and screwed this country. Mr. Obama is getting a free ride and he is taking advantage of the free ride. Mrs. Clinton has been vetted for almost 30+ years. Mr. Obama should be vetted to the maximum. Mr. Obama has made many bad judgment and I bet more will come out after the primary is over. Swift Boat folks will bring out tons of crap (I bet they have them, right now) once the primary is over.
If this news had come out before the first super Tuesday, Obama would have been kicked out (and John Edward and Hillary Clinton would be fighting).
Posted by: Monk Babu | March 15, 2008, 9:30 pm 9:30 pm
Ok guys becoz of Democrats divided, the next president is going to be McCain. Obama and Hillary camps hate each other and they are not going votes for one another.
Good job Democrats!!!
Posted by: GS | March 15, 2008, 9:30 pm 9:30 pm
catiger,
This man is running for POTUS, not local dog catcher. He is the one that has been acting squeaky clean until he gets caught. Then he has the nerve to either blame somebody else,or that was not what he meant to say. He has lied several times. Why should we trust this man?
Posted by: J | March 15, 2008, 9:31 pm 9:31 pm
Most conventional churches have subjugated women and homosexuals for hundreds of years. I am interested to know that so many of you here who have remained in those churches have no problems with THAT hate.
Posted by: Gynaestra | March 15, 2008, 9:34 pm 9:34 pm
I was kind of an Obama supporter in the past (not a hard core supporter) and heard his speech in Plainfield Indiana today. In light of all the controversy surrounding him, now his words are kind of starting to sound ironic. He doesn’t even seem to believe what he is saying. I guess that’s what happens when you have others write your speeches.
Posted by: Jarid | March 15, 2008, 9:35 pm 9:35 pm
The Emperor has not clothes. I have been saying that America would soon discover the true essence of this man. I admire his intelligence and lofty ideals; but they do NOT match his true essence. Basically, he is lying.
Posted by: MauiPaul | March 15, 2008, 9:38 pm 9:38 pm
People want to keep discussing these issues because we are a divided nation. There is a great difference between the white experience and the black experience. The black experience I believe is not understood; it is apparent by this most recent uproar. Perhaps this turn of events will be an opportunity to bring people together. Perhaps people can learn why Rev. Wright said what he said. I have never known a white man to walk in a black man’s shoes. I think it is time he learns.
Posted by: Nancy, Oklahoma | March 15, 2008, 9:38 pm 9:38 pm
“I admire his intelligence and lofty ideals;” Yeah, right. You seem to think we have a short memory where your posts are concerned.
Posted by: Leonard C | March 15, 2008, 9:43 pm 9:43 pm
What kind of parent would subject their kids to a church like this?
Posted by: susan | March 15, 2008, 9:43 pm 9:43 pm
This I donot understand. Obama had gone to this church for 20 yrs. And this is the first time that he is hearing this. Bullgrap?. I donot believe it. I stopped going to my church after 2yrs. because I got fet up with my pastor’s grap. It did’nt take me long to figure things out. So Obama had to know, I don’t see how he could’nt…greg
Posted by: greg | March 15, 2008, 9:45 pm 9:45 pm
It might not apply here, but ignorance of the law is not excused. Just in the same vein, Obama is not permitted to say that he wasn’t there on the day in which the pastor gave his sermon. It is highly unlikely that this so-called pastor gave his hate-filled sermon on one sunday and then on the following sunday, he would preach a message of seeking God’s Kingdom first. Sure, he might have been absent for this sermon, but it’s most likely that he was present for other sermons. Yet with full knowledge of the hatred that is preached from that pulpit, Obama proclaimed his fondness for this man and made him his spiritual advisor and a member of his campaign… yes, we are that stupid…
Posted by: Adam Smith | March 15, 2008, 9:46 pm 9:46 pm
JimB and Janice – You will be hard pressed to find anyone willing to admit that they were wrong concerning whether the Rev. Dr. Wright’s statements were racist. There is nothing anti-white in any of the statements uttered by Rev. Dr. Wright. Only someone who identifies with the truthful statements will feel the sting and hopefully be morally convicted by the behavior that this country has visited upon both its own citizens and the rest of the world. The truth hurts.
Jesse Leamon – McCarthyism! Great point.
WestCoastMessenger – Your recollection of history is faulty, my friend. In 1967, at the Ebenezer Baptist Church, the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, speaking of the Vietnam war, warned of the arrogance of power;
“Don’t let anybody make you think that God chose America as His divine messianic force to be a sort of policeman of the whole world. God has a way of standing before the nations with judgment and it seems that I can hear God saying to America: ‘You are too arrogant! If you don’t change your ways, I will rise up and break the backbone of your power.’”
This sounds an awful lot like the statements that the Rev. Dr. Wright spoke, doesn’t it?
Jim – Permit me to help you out here, assuming you don’t have any objection to facts.
You said: America(presumably white America) created AIDS to eliminate black people.
If that is not racist, I don’t know what is.
Response: Are you familiar with the Tuskeegee Experiment? July 25, 2002 –Thirty years ago today, the Washington Evening Star newspaper ran this headline on its front page: “Syphilis Patients Died Untreated.” With those words, one of America’s most notorious medical studies, the Tuskegee Syphilis Study, became public.
“For 40 years, the U.S. Public Health Service has conducted a study in which human guinea pigs, not given proper treatment, have died of syphilis and its side effects,” Associated Press reporter Jean Heller wrote on July 25, 1972. “The study was conducted to determine from autopsies what the disease does to the human body.”
The next morning, every major U.S. newspaper was running Heller’s story. For Morning Edition, NPR’s Alex Chadwick reports on how the Tuskegee experiment was discovered after 40 years of silence.
The Public Health Service, working with the Tuskegee Institute, began the study in 1932. Nearly 400 poor black men with syphilis from Macon County, Ala., were enrolled in the study. They were never told they had syphilis, nor were they ever treated for it. According to the Centers for Disease Control, the men were told they were being treated for “bad blood,” a local term used to describe several illnesses, including syphilis, anemia and fatigue.
For participating in the study, the men were given free medical exams, free meals and free burial insurance.
At the start of the study, there was no proven treatment for syphilis. But even after penicillin became a standard cure for the disease in 1947, the medicine was withheld from the men. The Tuskegee scientists wanted to continue to study how the disease spreads and kills. The experiment lasted four decades, until public health workers leaked the story to the media.
By then, dozens of the men had died, and many wives and children had been infected. In 1973, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) filed a class-action lawsuit. A $9 million settlement was divided among the study’s participants. Free health care was given to the men who were still living, and to infected wives, widows and children.
But it wasn’t until 1997 that the government formally apologized for the unethical study. President Clinton delivered the apology, saying what the government had done was deeply, profoundly and morally wrong:
“To the survivors, to the wives and family members, the children and the grandchildren, I say what you know: No power on Earth can give you back the lives lost, the pain suffered, the years of internal torment and anguish.
“What was done cannot be undone. But we can end the silence. We can stop turning our heads away. We can look at you in the eye and finally say, on behalf of the American people: what the United States government did was shameful.
“And I am sorry.”
Jim, please take note of who delivered that apology – President Bill Clinton! The U.S. did it with syphilis; why not AIDS?
You said: “Barack knows what it means to be a black man living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich white people.” Hmmm, I wonder if that is racist, LOL.
Response: Are you stating that rich white men do not control this country? And the fact that Barack knows what is it to be a black man controlled by whites is a racist statement? Sorry, Jim, but that dog don’t hunt either. Racism is defined as:
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one’s own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
Source: racist. (n.d.). Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1). Retrieved March 15, 2008, from Dictionary.com website: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racist
You said: Wright said of America’s treatment of African-Americans: “The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing ‘God Bless America.’ No, no, no, God damn America.
Response: I’ll just pick the prison issue. Please take time to read “Prisons as a Growth Industry in Rural America: An Exploratory Discussion of the Effects on Young African American Men in the Inner Cities” by Tracy L. Huling, April 15-16, 1999,Washington, D.C.
http://www.prisonpolicy.org/scans/prisons_as_rural_growth.shtml
Do you really think God will bless this mess?
Posted by: MEPosey | March 15, 2008, 9:46 pm 9:46 pm
“If all I knew was those statements that I saw on television, I would be shocked,” he said. HA HA HA! Shocked, eh? That’s a good one. I’d have more respect for the guy if he’d just came clean and said, he believed in the guy but was trying to move beyond it…but then again, if you don’t repudiate, or distance yourself, or denounce the statements of your “spiritual advisor” before you run for President, and continue to worship with someone so filled with hate towards the caucasion race for 20 years, that probably says more about you than all the excuses, and trying to blame it on someone else. But wait, Obama is above all this isn’t he…or rather wasn’t he suppose to be? We’re suppose to be trashing Clinton here, and speaking of hope and…oh wait, let me find someone else’s speech to find the right words. Funny how it’s okay for Obama-ites to continue to bring up Clinton’s associates, and her past, but not appropriate to bring up Obama’s…must be that new vision of hope.
Posted by: ghost | March 15, 2008, 9:48 pm 9:48 pm
Do we really know this man Barak Obama? What else is out there we don’t know?
Posted by: lois | March 15, 2008, 9:49 pm 9:49 pm
No wonder Obama didn’t want to salute the flag, no wonder he does not wear a USA pin, no wonder his wife has never been proud of this country these all just add up to= HE HATES THE USA…….
He knew fairly well about his Pastor and his beliefs….. I don’t think that he hid his comments when Obama was there nor do I don’t think that the other members never told the OBAMAS about his sermons….. Hey you all know that when the family goes to church, most of us like to discuss the sermon with the family….. Now, you see why his girls also hate Paris Hilton and B. Spears?????? These little girls are just full of hate to…..
Of course, if he becomes president,,,, there will be change——————–HATE all the way.
CHANGE
HATE
OBAMA not 2008….
PS I support Hillary and NO I am not getting paid for this, at least I am not full of HATE!!!!!!
Posted by: Maria | March 15, 2008, 9:49 pm 9:49 pm
Senator Obama in the 20 years at his church never once heard Reverend Wright utter on single word of hatred, bigotry or racism.
NOT.
Posted by: Mark David | March 15, 2008, 9:49 pm 9:49 pm
Can I say Senator Obama does not have sufficient experience for the job — without being called a “racist”?
Can I point out that his public statements on foreign policy have been rash and irresponsible — without being called a “racist”?
Can I cite examples of his poor judgment — without being called a “racist.”
May I ask what this “change” is supposed to be when every day I see examples of his campaign’s “politics as usual”, — without being told, “you just don’t get it”?
DARE I suggest a man who is supposed to be “inspiring” us by his example, certainly picked a strange example to inspire himself and his family for 20 years?
Can I say, “Sure, I’d vote for a Black man — just not this Black man” — without being called a liar?
If not, then Senator Obama is a demagogue — and this country can’t afford four more years of demagogy.
Posted by: mlwheeler | March 15, 2008, 9:51 pm 9:51 pm
The people still looking at and believing in BHO are oblivious to the realities around them.
Posted by: pp | March 15, 2008, 10:01 pm 10:01 pm
Don’t you think the Church of Christ’s pastor had much more uplifting sermons over his 30yrs of service? To summarize the pastor in a 5min string of controversial outbursts is unfair. Anyone with a brain and a glimpse of intelligence would recognize this as an attack, and dismiss it as such. To dig up clips of Obama’s pastor’s sermons, to question the man’s 1st grade elementary school is really a far reach. Let’s look at the facts about Obama (not his pastor):
-Harvard Law Graduate
-President of Harvard Law Review
-Civil Right Attorney
-Community Organizer
-Taught the Constitution Univ Chicago
-Illinois State Senator 8yrs
-Elected US Senator in 2004
-2 time Best Selling author
-Leading the largest grassroots Presidential campaign in history
-Only 46yrs old
Let’s move forward America!
Posted by: Alex Colston | March 15, 2008, 10:01 pm 10:01 pm
Imagine that you are the “first.” Of anything. You train. You have a plan. You try to maximize your strengths. You do everything in your power to minimize your weaknesses. You go over this list every day. You rework it. You are traing. It applies to runners and to people on a diet and to anyone serious about an achievement. And I ask you one question: Do you believe that you can be the first non-male, non-white canidate by carrying this much baggage?
Posted by: beebopareebop | March 15, 2008, 10:02 pm 10:02 pm
MonMacP:
Do you expect me to believe for one second that Senator Obama had no idea that Reverend Wright was spewing that vile? For 20 years he attended that church, 20 years. Not 20 minutes, not 20 days or even 20 months, 20 years.
I think not.
Posted by: Mark David | March 15, 2008, 10:02 pm 10:02 pm
Obama cannot win Nov election. All red states he won including Iowa goes to Republicans. PA, FL and OH goes to McCain.
This is a futile election for the democrats with Obama. If you want a democrate to win the election, it has to be Hillary with an African American VP.
This country still values race and religion a lot and is tought for Obama to win with his pastor news out.
So vote using your brain.
Posted by: GS | March 15, 2008, 10:04 pm 10:04 pm
Politics as usual for a politician who claims to be above it all. I can’t believe so many people are still buying the unity and change rhetoric.
Posted by: mhhunt | March 15, 2008, 10:09 pm 10:09 pm
Yep. Rev. Wright gave these kinds of sermons each and every day. The whole sermon was screaming, hating, controversial stuff. Anyone seeing and listening to it would think the guy was half crazy.
And yet Barack Obama, a man in the Illiois senate, giving the keynote at the convention, running for US Senate, and finally for the President of the US . . . this man, knowing that this could easily bring down his career at any turn . . . just sat there.
Can ANY of you Clinton/McCain supporters see how ridiculous that logic is?! In other words, it’s VERY likely true that what we see in these excerpts from a few sermons WERE very rare exceptions to the rule. Because if they weren’t, if they were constant occurances, that makes Barack Obama a VERY stupid politician
And stupid is not what I see in the man.
Posted by: ratmach | March 15, 2008, 10:09 pm 10:09 pm
“Yep. Rev. Wright gave these kinds of sermons each and every day.”
Nope. That’s a bare-faced lie.
Par for the course.
Posted by: Republicans go home | March 15, 2008, 10:17 pm 10:17 pm
ratmach, I can’t agree more. It’s nice to read a comment that makes sense.
Posted by: Andrea | March 15, 2008, 10:17 pm 10:17 pm
Careful Barack…I hear there are footage of you in the audience somewhere listening to this vial sermon–and the media is now digging. I think you’re a phony and sooner or later, it’ll all come out. So enjoy the ride for now, because your trash is about to overflow. Just to be clear, do you have sound judgment or not? Based on this Chicago Tribune article about you and Rezko, I counted three “there was a lapse in judgment…” Your campaign is all about sound judgment from day one, sound judgment when it comes to correcting our government, etc…sounds like you don’t have much to back that up based on innocent friendship with Rezko and your buddy Wright. How you can call wright your “spiritual advisor” is beyond bad judgment…and for 20 years!!! This person introduced you to Jesus and you don’t know what he’s about?? When I saw you speak in Colorado, the first 5 minutes you went at it, telling the audience that Hillary Clinton is divisive. Now the media is divisive. Who’s next? I was for you, but now I rather vote for McCain because you insult me as a Democrat and as a person.
Posted by: vinnie | March 15, 2008, 10:18 pm 10:18 pm
Catiger:
Those people saying 9/11 was caused by America’s tolerance of gays is FAR worse than saying 9/11 was caused partly by America’s foreign policy over the years. The latter, by the way, is partly true . . . though of course the way Wright goes about saying it is NOT the most diplomatic thing I’ve ever heard.
Posted by: ratmach | March 15, 2008, 10:22 pm 10:22 pm
Only idiots can ignore the facts around Obama. He went to a church with a racist and hate-filled pastor for 20 years, he idolized this pastor, he claims he learned of this pastors comments as he began to run for President but kept him on his campaign for over a year and then only got rid of him yesterday. This pastor has been preaching hate for years and for Obama to claim he learned about it a little over a year ago doesn’t pass the smell test. I will say what few dare to say, Obama is a RACIST!
Posted by: TOBY HILL | March 15, 2008, 10:22 pm 10:22 pm
Janice and Jim, please listen to the videos on you tube. If you don’t get the racist message and tone from Jeremiah Wright, you will never get it.
Posted by: Voter | March 15, 2008, 10:22 pm 10:22 pm
I am an Obama supporter, but now I’m beginning to wonder if this man is all he claims to be. His words are how he is being judged. And now we’re finding his words don’t seem to match his actions. How can you support Rev. Wright for 20 years and yet “cast blame” and “point fingers” at others for being divisive? I hope we do our homework on this guy before we put him forward as our candidate of choice in November. This election is too important, and election eve is no time for regrets.
Posted by: shirley221 | March 15, 2008, 10:23 pm 10:23 pm
RepublicansGoHome:
Please re-read my post. The beginning of it was sarcasm.
Posted by: ratmach | March 15, 2008, 10:23 pm 10:23 pm
20 years in the pulpit. Thousands of sermons. They find about 5 or so offensive ones.
Is that all y’all got? Is that the best you can do? Geez. This country actually deserves another 8 years of Bush/Clinton.
Posted by: Que | March 15, 2008, 10:24 pm 10:24 pm
What a joke!!!!
The more we know about this guy the more we know who the actually part of the racist group? It funny how they played the race card on Hillary, but the video speaks for itself!!!!!!!!!! Obama being part of this church that preaches hate for 20 years and he never seen anything of this..Wrote a book after him because he impired him…The only thing Obama can say…He didn’t know? BS
Obama just got a free ride with the press and only been a senator for 2 years he think he should be held to a different standard…… Great job FOX for getting the fact out,,,, it a shame that the Liberal media CNN and MNBC that should be called the Obama Network for not getting the facts out once again…… Can’t believe how Obama get such a free ride with other network…..
Posted by: John | March 15, 2008, 10:26 pm 10:26 pm
Republicans go home….where did you get this inforamtion from so I can read it.
Posted by: whitedd | March 15, 2008, 10:37 pm 10:37 pm
Brian: Gerry Ferraro gave more to the Democratic party than all of us combined. You don’t know one damn thing about her. She was gone in two days. MOVE ON. Every time someone has the “gall” to ask a question about Senator Obama, we hear nothing but the shuffle to Senator Clinton nonsense. We’re not dealing with that here. She’s out. She’s been denounced. Reverand Wright on the other hand is still “respected.” Its “some” of his statements that have been denounced.” Your post is shamefully disengenuous.
Posted by: beebopareebop | March 15, 2008, 10:37 pm 10:37 pm
Ferraro was right! When 90% of any group votes for someone it bears discussion. Women, men, asians, hipanics, jews, etc., never before. But now a black man and 90% vote? Explain it…
Posted by: pp | March 15, 2008, 10:38 pm 10:38 pm
What’s wrong with America is evident in many of these postings. People want life to be more simply and black and white than it really is.
The reality is that America is flawed in many ways, and needs correcting. Our government has been arrogant and operated with double standards when it comes to other countries. There is also much racism still within our people, though apparently much less in the younger people now (which is great).
If Obama can continue to appreciate a minister over time, despite the ministers flaws, and appreciate the man’s positives, we should be impressed (not put off). Americans need to learn to be more tolerant of racial differences, philosophical differences, value differences, and religious differences.
A person can also love his country dearly and yet recognize that it needs fixing in particular areas. In fact, those without this capacity, are a huge problem for America.
Posted by: Mike Denhof | March 15, 2008, 10:38 pm 10:38 pm
If it is found that Obama was in audience in any of the racist fired sermons of the pastor, he is out.
Obama cannot win Nov 08 election with this reputation.
God bless this country
Posted by: GS | March 15, 2008, 10:38 pm 10:38 pm
Mike: Nice try. Senator Obama still respects his preacher and has now heard ALL OF THE TAPES. So. No more ignorance. He has seen them, knows them and only distances himself from “some of the things” said. I have attended synagogue, church, and mass. I have never ever heard anything like this. No way to parse this or put lipstick on this pig. It is ugly and if it had been said by someone of another color, there would be fires in the street. And if you can honestly tell me otherwise, good luck to you.
Posted by: beebopareebop | March 15, 2008, 10:45 pm 10:45 pm
There is no need for Senator Barack Obama to apologize. In fact, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton and her surrogates should immediately apologize. Senator Clinton is truly destroying the entire Democratic Party for her selfish gain. The voters are speaking, and you are not listening. We do not want another Clinton White House, nor a third Bush term. Senator Clinton is willing to anything and everything to steal this nomination. I have lost all respect. The Democratic Party is forever damaged, thanks to a few egotistical individuals. Clean up your own house, instead. Then, clean up Washington. Reverend Wright is no worse than the entire GOP, and FOX News Channel. Go Obama in ’08.
Posted by: Paul Alexander Flagge | March 15, 2008, 10:46 pm 10:46 pm
The mere fact Obama put him on his campaign makes me question how bright Obama really is. He had to know this could happen.
Posted by: Sandra | March 15, 2008, 10:46 pm 10:46 pm
Apparently some people have to have their hand taken to the flame to believe that it is hot. Obama has hurt so many people. It is unbelievable the denial of Obama’s wronging and COMPLETE acceptance and justification for it by his worshipers. If this is allowed to pass or is buried by the media then it is open season for everyone else to be associated with the worse kind of hate groups. I pray to God for me and you all that this does not unfold like that.
Posted by: AlexKx | March 15, 2008, 10:47 pm 10:47 pm
BHO is a phoney. We need a president who is for everyone. To sit in a church that only has BLACK ethics, and i don’t know what those are, and to allow his children to listen to that hatred is beyond imagination. The man is confused and now is a liar. Obama has lost my vote.
Posted by: smc | March 15, 2008, 10:48 pm 10:48 pm
Clinton’s selfish gain? What about Obama’s selfish gain…been in the senate less than one term and has been running for President most of the time…no accomplishments to speak of, friends are racist, unamarican hate-mongers, etc. AND BHO has not finished the deal, Penn,Michigan, Florida, a lot is left to come.
Posted by: pp | March 15, 2008, 10:51 pm 10:51 pm
At what point does socialism and surrendering our men and women serving in Iraq on the alter of psuedo-intellectualism has to be given a chance Catiger?! Mere less everything else that has been unfolding now concerning Lord Obama?
Posted by: AlexKx | March 15, 2008, 10:55 pm 10:55 pm
I have noticed that no one votes for someone based on their abilities or what they stand for. They are against whatever happened that day. It goes back and forth and no one ever talks about why they are for a candidate based on what they would do for the country. I am undecided but could not use the information on this blog to help me at all.
Posted by: Mike | March 15, 2008, 10:56 pm 10:56 pm
I have been around major politics since I was a child. My uncle is the only U.S. rep to sit on all major committees. From experience, this has to hurt Obama. In talking to many of my constituents over the past two days, each one said they had changed their mind about Obama. All are Democrats and all favored Obama until now. Not placing your hand over your heart during the National Anthem isn’t a major thing unless you are running for public office. When you run for public office, especially when you are running for President, it is important to embrace our traditions. While this pastor may not have preached this position every Sunday, he believed strongly enough to preach it, film it, and record it on DVD for distribution. Don’t kid yourselves, he believes what he preaches. As far a Obama not knowing, he knew. This rant was all over national news last spring and still Obama placed him in his campaign. I hate to say it to all you Obama supporters, he’s in real trouble with this one. It may not effect him in the Democratic primary but, if he gets through, it’s a back breaker in the general election. When he refuses to place his hand over his heart during the National Anthem, when his wife says she hasn’t been proud of our country until now, when their pastor, the one who married them and baptised their children, preaches hatred of white people and the United States and finally, when Obama seemingly dismisses these statemnents, he’s in trouble. I would be willing to bet he farm he will not be President. The white vote is the largest by far. It’s sad to see. I really thought he would be different but he
Posted by: tew | March 15, 2008, 10:57 pm 10:57 pm
Susan – You said “Putting aside the racist rants of this so-called reverend, why does Obama belong to a CHURCH that’s AFRICA-centric. Have they all forgotten they LIVE in AMERICA? How can someone running for the USA presidency align themselves with this position. How can we believe his allegiances will be for the US and not for Africa. That’s what scares me.”
I live in Chicago, where the Irish are whooping it up and dying the river green for St. Patrick’s Day. This morning, there was a pageant @ Old St. Pat’s Catholic Church. Does that mean their allegiance it to Ireland? Does that scare you?
There are churches throughout this country that celebrate their congregation’s ethnic roots. You don’t have to go far to get the Catholic Mass in Spanish, Polish or Latin. Lakeside Church in Chicago has an Asian-American flavor. There is a UCC church in Wisconsin that opens their service with cow bells that celebrates their German roots. Does that scare you? There is another with thousands of origami cranes decorating the ceiling. Does that scare you?
Trinity celebrates its congregation’s African roots. But ss soon as you say “Africa”, white people get nervous and claim racism. Sounds like guilt to me.
Posted by: MEPosey | March 15, 2008, 10:57 pm 10:57 pm
I am a devout Catholic and we believe that Jesus is a man of peace not hatred. Anyone who speaks of Jesus but spews hatred is not a follower of Jesus.
My wife used to go to one church every Sunday morning until we had a bad experience with the priest who criticized one of the churchgoers for singing the wrong song. That is enough for us to be biased against that priest. My wife and I never attended the services at that particular time since then. The priest didn’t spew hatred, racism or even unpatriotic words. The mere fact that he didn’t have finesse to criticize one of churchgoers was enough for us to be turned off.
I am not running for the highest office in this beloved land of ours but if my priest spews hatred against the same people that our God died for (Catholics believe that Jesus sacrificed his life for all mankind, not only whites or blacks), I have enough conviction and good judgment to determine that it is wrong and that the priest should be outright condemned even after his first sermon of hate and racism.
Posted by: Raul | March 15, 2008, 10:59 pm 10:59 pm
White ethics? That is not allowed in this country. There is MS. America, and MS Black america…an American Nurses Association and a Black Nurses Association…I dare not begin to imagine what venemous slurs would come from the black community if someone tried to start a Whit Ms. A. or a white nurses association. It would be deafening.
Posted by: pp | March 15, 2008, 10:59 pm 10:59 pm
In the last couple of weeks, some of Obama’s promises have been exposed. NAFTA re-negotiation: Just words. A committed Iraq withdrawal: Just words. Obama’s claim he knew nothing about Rev. Wright’s sermons of hate: Again, Just Words.
Posted by: rhenry | March 15, 2008, 11:01 pm 11:01 pm
This is phenonemally amazing. The credentials for being president having been reduced to the actions of EVERYONCE AROUND, BUT EXCEPT, THE CANDIDATE.
You folks sound like you’d actually vote against a person who’d improve the country in 4 yrs because of what his pastor’s poltiical views are, or because some of his 1.1 million donors were crooks, or because a befriended Harvard professor thinks HRC is a monster (ie. destructive and without compass). Wow. These are the reasons to vote against someone? It makes me want to holler if you folks turn out to be the masses.
Posted by: Reflectiv | March 15, 2008, 11:02 pm 11:02 pm
Looking at the hatred for a man of (partial) color here, I believe the expression should be “God HELP the USA”.
Posted by: Mamabear | March 15, 2008, 11:02 pm 11:02 pm
MEPosey,
What you said is comparing apples to oranges. What is the issue here is the racist, unpatriotic spewing of Obama’s spiritual advisor for the past 20yrs. The other issue is he has lied about what he knew about this and Rezco.
Posted by: J | March 15, 2008, 11:02 pm 11:02 pm
“Obama Changed Position on War Funding”
“Democratic Presidential Contender Opposed War Funding in 2003 but Has Voted Four Times for Funding in Senate”
How’s this for change?
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=2970930
Obama, July 2004,”The failure of the Iraqi state would be a disaster”
“It would dishonor the 900-plus men and women who have already died. . . . It would be a betrayal of the promise that we made to the Iraqi people, and it would be hugely destabilizing from a national security perspective.”
Posted by: Toby Hill | March 15, 2008, 11:03 pm 11:03 pm
Obama is not a patriot of the United States of America. Obama doesn’t care about our national anthem (no hand on heart from him). And Obama doesn’t care even about our flag and what it stands for* (no flag lapel pin wearing from him).
Obama’s Preacher has called upon God to “Dam*” America and you’retrying to make it sound like he’s a great guy to hang out with.
Shame on you, and the people like you that have so little respect for our country. You might as well “spit” in the face of all those that have lost their lives to protect your freedom!
And this guy brings his kids to this church?
Obama’s church Slanders America and what it stands for on a regular basis.
See just about any link on this search page:
http://tinyurl.com/2v9aob
Or have a look at this article:
http://tinyurl.com/2xp9xb
Obama’s Preacher (the one that married him and his wife and go whom his book is dedicated to) says “G*d Damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme”.
This basically makes it official that I will absolutely not vote for Obama. Because if I did, I would be going against everything I put my life at risk for serving the US Army, Our Constitution, and the American Way of Life.
By voting for Obama I would also be “spitting in the face of”the hundreds of thousands of soldiers and others that paid the ultimate price(by giving their lives) over the last two-hundred years to ensure the freedom of every American citizen.
Posted by: mike | March 15, 2008, 11:17 pm 11:17 pm
So the truth according to Wright is : America is a racist country, America developed AIDS and infected colored people. N.Hollaway was a sult looking for a good time in Aruba, 9/11 America asked for it, America is Israel and Israel is America, America infected black men with a STD, on and on Wright goes
Is that the truth Speak the Word??
Posted by: SJ | March 15, 2008, 11:17 pm 11:17 pm
J-
If I am comparing apples to oranges, to paraphrase Jerry McGuire,show me the racism. I gave you the dictionary definition. Sounds like truth-ism, and in the words of some of the other posters, “you can’t handle the truth”!
Posted by: MEPosey | March 15, 2008, 11:19 pm 11:19 pm
How is it that Obama just realized what his minister has been saying all of these years? Seems like Obama was drawn to this preacher’s messages until they became a matter of public record.
Posted by: Rob | March 15, 2008, 11:19 pm 11:19 pm
to all obama supporters
sometimes you eat the bear and sometimes the bear eats you
to d. axlerod obama’s campaign manager
you can lead a horse to water BUT you know how a wet horse stinks
to all obama maniacs
people who live in glass houses shouldnt watch TV in their underwear
Posted by: tz | March 15, 2008, 11:19 pm 11:19 pm
Talk about judgment, forces of division! Senator Obama has called Minister Wright his mentor and spiritual advisor for twenty years and now Senator Obama has the “audacity” to say he wasn’t aware of the hatred this man preaches. Wake up America, Senator Obama is only a political hack.
We don’t need a president whose wife and minister degrade our county.
Posted by: Bee Wiser | March 15, 2008, 11:19 pm 11:19 pm
Thank you Sterling,
For being a critical thinker and being “honest”. I still have faith in my fellow AMERICANS!
Posted by: America | March 15, 2008, 11:20 pm 11:20 pm
There are many more hours of his pastor that I’m sure fox will make sure we all hear how can you train up your child in the way he should go under a pastor like Mr wright. There are many other races that the upper class turn up thier nose at including working poor there are many white people who have it just as bad. But they are also treated bad because they are white and therefore should be able to make it better or how about Native Americans.
Posted by: Bishop | March 15, 2008, 11:25 pm 11:25 pm
America is still the No. 1 killer in the world. . . . We are deeply involved in the importing of drugs, the exporting of guns, and the training of professional killers . . . We bombed Cambodia, Iraq and Nicaragua, killing women and children while trying to get public opinion turned against Castro and Ghadhafi . . . We put [Nelson] Mandela in prison and supported apartheid the whole 27 years he was there. We believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God.”
Is this also true about America ?? America jailed Mandela??? Am sure you Obama supporters can defend that so let us know it will be interesting to hear your views
Posted by: SJ | March 15, 2008, 11:27 pm 11:27 pm
Will any Obama supporter list Obama’s accomplishments in all of his political career?
Posted by: Toby Hill | March 15, 2008, 11:29 pm 11:29 pm
Hey mike the STD comment was true,ever heard of the Tuskegee Experiments.If you have not I suggest you do some research so that you have a better understanding on the comments that were made.”Knowledge is power” the more we educate ourselves on the issues the more we can see through the smoke screen.
Posted by: sterling | March 15, 2008, 11:48 pm 11:48 pm
All I can say is….I am glad I am a Republican…..
Posted by: UJB | March 15, 2008, 11:48 pm 11:48 pm
Obama is an impressive liar. I don’t trust him as far as I could throw him. Neither should America. It’s obvious that he and his wife think just like those hate mongers but plans to try to trick a majority of Democrats with his silver tongue.
I do hope Americans will not leave our security in the hands of thos with such private agendas like Hillary and Obama.
Looks like McCain is the only logical choice.
Posted by: tkv179 | March 15, 2008, 11:49 pm 11:49 pm
Hey Clinton/McCain backers. You say Obama’s support is “dropping by the minute”, right? Well check this out . . . it happened today, AFTER all this preacher stuff came out:
Obama expands delegate lead over Clinton By MIKE GLOVER, Associated Press Writer
Sat Mar 15, 7:08 PM ET
DES MOINES, Iowa – Democrat Barack Obama expanded his fragile lead in delegates over rival Hillary Rodham Clinton on Saturday, picking up at least seven delegates as Iowa activists took the next step in picking delegates to the national convention.
Half the 14 delegates allocated to John Edwards on the basis of caucus night projections switched Saturday and Obama got most, if not all, of them.
Posted by: ratmach | March 15, 2008, 11:49 pm 11:49 pm
If He is a racist he must hate his mother. Don’t believe it.
Posted by: Andrea | March 15, 2008, 11:57 pm 11:57 pm
Janice; I can’t pull a racist statement from anything that Wright stated in these videos. However, the “damn America” comment is stated with an belligerent attitude of disgust and hatred towards, well, you get the idea. I immigrated here at 5yrs of age. I have white-ish skin, How am I or my family responcible for Slavery? That is as dumb as blaming Jews for killing Christ. Look, Racism is a problem. We need to acknowledge that Blacks are as capable as whites at being racists, as are all shades/races/mixes. Wright is a leader of a racists church and his statements and attitude demonstrate this. Obama is associated with this man, thus in league with him.
Posted by: rob | March 15, 2008, 11:58 pm 11:58 pm
ATTENTION Delegates/Super-Delegates; do ya see what Trouble Hillary has caused?
Posted by: Demo Rules | Mar 15, 2008 11:49:22 PM
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WHat the heck does this have to do with Hillary???????????
Posted by: J | March 16, 2008, 12:00 am 12:00 am
Does Obama want us to believe that his view of the world is not influenced by the words that come out of his wife’s mouth (about being proud of the US for the first time with her husband’s potential of being the president) and of his pastor (about his opinions of the country that he lives in)? Oh yes, Obama is not going to acknowledge or recognize anything that might hurt his chances of becoming president unless someone exposes it for him.
Posted by: Am I a Fool | March 16, 2008, 12:00 am 12:00 am
catiger, it should be against all principles to fund something you’re against. Kucinich ran on priniciple, against the war from the beginning and never funded it. Obama is nothing more than just another pandering politician.
Posted by: Toby Hill | March 16, 2008, 12:00 am 12:00 am
Check out the homepage, Obama picked up 9 more delegates
TODAY>
Posted by: Andrea | March 16, 2008, 12:03 am 12:03 am
Yes catiger, and the worst part is they come from both sides.
Posted by: ghost | March 16, 2008, 12:04 am 12:04 am
There are a lot of names I don’t usually see. I’m willing to bet that a lot of them are just Republican baiters who play as though they are a Hillary supporter and insult Obamas or are Obama supporters and insult Hillarys. That way they can fuel the divide. Does anyone else notice anything or sense something like that. There are the usual posters, but who are all these others. I do remember Demo rules, who just sounds angry, unreasonable and out there.
Posted by: irma | March 16, 2008, 12:04 am 12:04 am
Interesting how he says “my former pastor” Is he leaving Chicago if he loses? This line of comment from his pastor is not new and Obama knows that after 20 years of attendance so why is it now conveniently offensive? This man chooses to adopt a convenient truth and I believe he will conveniently change his position on alot of his statements/policies if elected.
Posted by: Joe Devlin | March 16, 2008, 12:05 am 12:05 am
It seems to me that Obama should define what he means by “forces of division.” Or perhaps I should. Forces of divsion could be defined as anything that does not work to Obama’s advantage.
Posted by: Take Me as A Fool | March 16, 2008, 12:05 am 12:05 am
J-
You don’t answer questions very well. Show me the racism in the statements. It is the unvarnished truth.
You mentioned Martin Luther King. Read what he said of the U.S in 1967 (41 years ago!) at the Ebenezer Baptist Church, where he warned of the arrogance of power;
“Don’t let anybody make you think that God chose America as His divine messianic force to be a sort of policeman of the whole world. God has a way of standing before the nations with judgment and it seems that I can hear God saying to America: ‘You are too arrogant! If you don’t change your ways, I will rise up and break the backbone of your power.’”
Kitty,
Are you selling that you suddenly want to be rude to a black? Methinks you were just looking for an excuse. Probably not the best idea you’ve had today!
On a final note – God is the God of all people – not just Americans.
Posted by: MEPosey | March 16, 2008, 12:11 am 12:11 am
Anyone that would be associated with a man like Rev. Jeremiah Wright, a blasphemous, vial, racist, hateful man; will not get my vote. Barack does not have the honesty and integrity that I seek. It is obvious with his association with Mr. Wright.
I began talking with my friends, neighbors and co-workers, yesterday. They do will not vote for Barack, either… not after this.
Posted by: OpusRooster | March 16, 2008, 12:14 am 12:14 am
Takemeasafool:
You oughta WATCH him make the comment (not reading this little bit in this article). When he says “forces of division” he’s not only talking about the media, some Clinton backers, etc . . . but he’s also including Rev. Wright himself in that category.
Posted by: ratmach | March 16, 2008, 12:19 am 12:19 am
answer me this: does anyone out there HONESTLY believe, just honestly and truly, that the average american voter, who is white and middle-aged, who might otherwise have taken a chance on obama, will do so after seeing the man he himself has described as his mentor and spiritual advisor, the pastor of the church he and his family has attended for 20 years or so, the man he credits with bringing him to christianity and the church, does anybody really believe that the average american voter in those swing states will vote for barack obama after seeing clips of his minister over and over and over and over again throughout the months of july, august, september and october, watching this man say ‘god bless america? uh-uh. god d*mn america!’ — the average voter obama needs will vote for him now? no freaking way. that clip is like a punch in the gut to those voters and it will make their stomachs turn. they will not hold their noses and vote for barack obama. my parents are pretty damned liberal moderates in nys and would have voted for the dem whichever it was – tonight they tell me they will not vote for obama. same thing i’ve heard from 4 members of my family, and ohioans are not that different from new york staters, and imagine all of the retired folks and ww2 vets in florida? he’ll drag us to defeat. he’s young enough to distance himself from this and run again in 4 or 8 years, but he has no chance in the general election this year.
Posted by: ChrisSanDiego | March 16, 2008, 12:19 am 12:19 am
I will never vote for a person that belongs to a church like this. HATRED such as Obama’s church doesn’t belong anywhere.
Unity…do you Democrats really believe his BULL?
Posted by: Nick | March 16, 2008, 12:23 am 12:23 am
catiger, are you saying America should not be run on principle? Fund the war to show how much we’re against the war? Your analogy of Obama’s leadership skills leave me only one conclusion, you have no idea what he stands for but he has good slogans.
Posted by: Toby Hill | March 16, 2008, 12:23 am 12:23 am
I remember Barack Obama saying at one of his rallies that he prays to Jesus everynight and he goes to church on Sunday.
If he busy campaigning around the country and doesn’t get to church that much, I would hope that his wife and children are going to church if they are at home.
So if the wife and the kids are going to church on Sunday, wouldn’t you think that Michelle would be discussing in church some of these radical sermons with her husband.
I mean, could Obama be totally unaware of any of these radical sermons that his pastor has been giving at church.
Is Obama deceiving the American public.
Shame on you, Barack Obama if you are lying.
Posted by: mary | March 16, 2008, 12:26 am 12:26 am
The answer is YES. Obama does actually want you to believe that he didn’t know his pastor was saying this stuff.
Posted by: Kitty | March 16, 2008, 12:27 am 12:27 am
The Democrats have NO HOPE of winning the election if OBAMA gets the nomination.
He needs to withdraw from the race.
Posted by: Ben | March 16, 2008, 12:31 am 12:31 am
I still am strongly about obama being president. He cannot rely on his pastors word. If Obama is a racist then he did not love his mom. He strongly speak of his mom. He was raised ny his mom parents. Correct me if I am wrong. I know Obama will be a great president. What God has for you it is for you. No matter what the media say or the Clintons if it is meant for Obama to be president of the united states it will be. I have friends and family who have different aspects of life. We do not feel the same about race. I love everybody i reared my children to love everybody. Yo will meet people who really hate you, but do not worry about how people treat you it is how you treat God and people.
Posted by: Wanda | March 16, 2008, 12:31 am 12:31 am
Barack Obama is the force of division. He has divided our democratic party by trying to steal this nomination with promises that there is no way he can fulfill. His lies will tear the democratic party to the ground and no one will trust us again. If I must, I will vote McCain over Obama. I do not want to switch my votes and get more of the same but I will not vote obama in November. It’s Hillary or McCain. There are a lot of us in our party that feel the same. You better remember this.
Posted by: Wise Up Sweetie | March 16, 2008, 12:34 am 12:34 am
ALLABOUTME–her thesis has been removed from the Princeton Library…at the campaigns request.
People can’t read it. GEE I wonder if on April 15th it’s going to be available for people
Posted by: Ben | March 16, 2008, 12:38 am 12:38 am
“Forces of division”. What a joke and what a hypocrite.
Posted by: daryl | March 16, 2008, 12:39 am 12:39 am
Democrats need a 527 group for all us that pledge NOT to vote for OBAMA in the fall if he gets the nomination!
Posted by: Nicholas | March 16, 2008, 12:40 am 12:40 am
dear janice – i truly understand your anger. you think that we white folks are holding barack obama to a higher standard than we’ve held ourselves. but i can tell you in all honesty that this 47 year old white liberal has never felt that it was okay for america’s founders to have been a bunch of rich property-holding slave-holders and none of us have bragged about our country as if we’re proud of the racism and classism and sexism and all of the other isms, the poverty, the excess, the hypocrisy, etc. most of us are truly sorry for the way in which our ancestors treated yours, but we ourselves are not to blame and while i agree that an apology should be issued on behalf of the country insofar as slavery is concerned, none of us can force the politicians to do that for us. besides which, most americans don’t think it’s appropriate anymore to apologize to dead people on behalf of other dead people who did the deeds and never apologizes themselves. maybe an apology is too easy, anyway. maybe the guilt which an apology might seek to wipe away ought to always be there to remind us of what our people did to your people. but this issue is not about race, it is about a politician who has told us over and over that he’s clean, he’s good, he’s fair-minded, he’s ‘beyond race’ etc, and his 20 year mentor, spiritual advisor etc flat out said ‘god d*mn america’ as if we’re all to blame for what’s gone on throughout the history of the country, and barack obama says ‘gee, i never knew he felt that way.’ barack obama and eliot spitzer are the same – hypocrites who told us that they were cleaner, better, and were a new breed doing away with ‘politics are usual.’ such people must always be held to the higher standard to which they themselves have sought to hold others. it’s really as simple as that.
Posted by: ChrisSanDiego | March 16, 2008, 12:41 am 12:41 am
I don’t understand any thing about those people who denounce those who denounce divisiveness.In my opinion they are divisive. I am black who is ready to serve my country as Navy, who belive that we are one nation, we are one people, please lets come up togather for common purpuse to lead the world. I promise you if we elect Obama as presdant we will lead the world and world it self looks us different.
Posted by: Girmachew | March 16, 2008, 12:42 am 12:42 am
Notice how FOX is keeping this in the news for McCain and Karl Rove. And how ABC is doing it for the Clintons. Most Americans do not see this as a team effort by both the Clinton and McCain camps.
I think Karl Rove, McCain and the Clintons are working together on Obama. They want to get rid of him they know he does not play by there rules. They know Obama is a threat to the way Washington has been doing business for the last 50 years. Obama gets more and more death threats every day from what I hear. They will continue you to attack him not directly but by others. This way The Clintons and McCain they can keep there hands clean. Sean Hannity of Fox wants to destroy Obama he is doing the bidding for Karl Rove. FOX will report as much negative stuff on Obama as they can. They want Hillary to win they are going to try and kill Obama’s chances. FOX will continue to run this story though for as long as they can.
They know he has a good shot of wining in November, this tag team arrangement will be exposed to the public real soon. McCain has the biggest problem it is the economy and Iraq. If anything, and I mean anything goes wrong with either one of these issues McCain is done.
Being a white American I have always been ashamed of our treatment of Blacks and other minorities in this country. Sometimes it makes me sick to see what we have done these people. How we have used them and treating the like animals in the past. Mr. Wright’s comments although I cannot agree with all of them, however I know many African Americans must have some permanent damage to there emotional, spiritual well being that cannot be felt by us White Americans. I for one do forgive and understand Obama’s reasoning for his pastors comments. The stain of slavery on these people may never ever be known or felt by any of us that are white in this country. There Families and traditions were permanently destroyed by what we have done to these group of Americans..
Obama scares them they know he has the people with him and he is threat to the current establishment. When things come out about Obama watch the coordination of attacks with Fox and ABC. ABC is mostly on the web page. Check it out! Tomorrow morning watch this week on ABC everything will be negative on Obama. Those guys at ABC news are doing bidding for Hillary. Just listen they are going to try and spin it so that Obama looks bad and Hillary looks better. They are the old guard they do not want Obama in the White House. They have some ties with the Clintons.
Posted by: smash | March 16, 2008, 12:43 am 12:43 am
“Change we can believe in” – Change that adds up to one crazy uncle, one unpatriotic wife, one racist church, and one federally indicted real estate developer.
Posted by: daryl | March 16, 2008, 12:43 am 12:43 am
Hey Ben, at some point back when the story of her thesis broke, you could google it and read it. I’m not sure if you still can, but you could. And ALLABOUTME has it correct. If it’s not available online due to Obama’s scrubbing service, you will have to wait and see for yourself after the election, but if you jot down what ALLABOUTME stated, you will see he/she did read it.
Posted by: Kitty | March 16, 2008, 12:44 am 12:44 am
This is BS—hypocrisy—not all people fall for empty glossy words. Obama says: “pent-up anger, bitterness and misunderstanding…if the country wants something different they’ve got to move beyond divisions.” EXCUSE ME, but YOUR pastor’s words are promoting division between black and white skinned people. I find this offensive after all the good work so many people have done to promote character instead of skin color as the merit of worth. Obama you are slick with the double talk and hedging. The 20 years you’ve been listening to this pastor means 20 years you’ve been influenced by him. Don’t say you didn’t know his message. 20 years + this pastor has been negatively influencing all those others in his congregation. He’s SCARY. How can you explain mixing love with hate and it’s supposed to come out okay? Mixed messages are meant to CONTROL people. Since the corrupt media (NBC and CNN are the worst) have been so slow to do their job and investigate and report – I took a look at the website of Obama’s Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago. I once thought in time, Obama might make a good president. Now I believe we better never let him run our country. Darn the media for giving him all these free passes and not getting the truth out to people! Everyone was being so careful about not offending Obama or his campaign people and his pastor is the worst hate-monger and racist I ever heard! If this information had not come out, this pastor would still be on Obama’s campaign committee.
Posted by: Time 4 Truth | March 16, 2008, 12:46 am 12:46 am
This was NOT a casual relationship. It is NOT guilt by association. Obama chose to remain a member of this church for 20 years and to use Wright as a spiritual mentor and on his campaign. He was not an uncle you have because of birth. This was his CHOICE. Can you imagine the international implications of a President that has this type of mentor and spiritual leader? I trust Hillary’s judgement and passion. I do not trust Obama. Don’t let this story get brushed aside.
Posted by: CCBGT74 | March 16, 2008, 12:53 am 12:53 am
I fear that you’ve all been hoodwinked. Hoodwinked by your own audacity, with a little help from your friends.
There are so many reasons to not prefer Obama. Because you are a Republican. Because you are a traditionalist Democrat. Because you’d LOVE to help a woman become president. Because you fear change, or the unknown, or because you don’t trust big city politicians (or big city people in general), or because he sounds too good to be true.
And all of the reasons have converged, in the last week or two. The cowardice of the average voter is reflected in the change of support reflected on this blog. There were people who were Republicans, xenophobes, and fearers of change, and skeptics alike, that had been supporting and believing that Obama was to best of the 3 to make America better by 2012. Why? In part because people had a genuine gut reaction to him, and over the past 12 months, more and more people had been having a positive gut reactions. (Something is to be said of the subconscious, since it was developed to keep us safe). Now mix that positive reaction with a political RECORD that does not speak controversy, and it became easier to support him and forget our fears.
But when the brimstone issue arose, it challenged our cores to continue to support him. And many of us feel taken for a ride. But if you so, you were the one driving.
Truth is that the only questions that matter is who will make us better by 2012. That’s all that matters. The political beliefs of a preacher matter as much to a parishioner as the religious beliefs of a mayor to the constituent. IN OTHER WORDS, IT DOESN’T. And you all successfully fooled your cynical sides into believing that, once upon time. You all had the audacity to hope, the chutzpah to support vision and expect more, against your ‘better’ judgment. What about now?
When I first moved down south from Philadelphia, I asked a white guy with a confederate flag waving in his truck why he flew that flag and what it meant to him. I, as a black guy, asking this southerner at a gas station such a question didn’t scare me, and I surely wasn’t looking for a fight, verbal or otherwise – it’s just that in that moment of curiosity, I was anxious to hear his answer, or if there’d even be one. In short, he told me it was about heritage, being a bad-ass, and being free. Hell, who isn’t all for that!!!! That’s the motto of many a Black male I grew up with in Philly. And what I learned from him 10 yrs ago, on a deeper level, many of you bloggers could stand to learn today before you make a crucial mistake.
What he called freedom, I could easily call hatemongering and I’d be well within my rights given what happened to my people in general, and specifically my grandfather in Georgia years ago. What you call anti-American, or anti-White, others freely call something much less sinister, or even inspiring. Does this mean that they all fit your label of anti-american? Or does your label maybe need adjusting? As a Black male from the Northeast, I don’t consider the Confederate flag a symbol of hate, although I use to. I know that those who hate me, may use that flag, but that doesn’t mean the flag means hate, and I’ve got to remember that when I see it. I believe that when I see the conferedate flag in trucks in Carolina, that they are saying what others in Philadelphia say with tinted glass and Rims and with hats with straight brims. That we are who we are, we’re proud and we won’t bow to your opinion of us. That’s not un-American is it? Making that connection was a big thing in my life. This is what I learned. Your turn America.
Because the net result is, America is now condemning a man (Obama) for not condemning another man who condemned American based on its racism, yet those same condemning Americans don’t think for a second of how easily they are turning away from the best candidate for our future for the sole reasons of race, racism, and how personally perturbed they are for even having to discuss race! The entire irony is lost on them, that they want to condemn and completely isolate a preacher who speaks of America’s/American’s historical and present racism, yet they as a body of the majority are eliminating the best candidate (which they agreed with just last month) based on this race issue.
Obama has to run as the every-body candidate, which means make White people feel comfortable with him, although Republicans never run as the every-body candidate (Damn Black voters) and Hillary is doing fine running as the woman candidate (tough, yet a victim). Most White people, on this blog at least, seem to be telling Obama he must prove he appreciates White people equally by going overboard in running away from everything that makes White people cringe or uncomfortable about race. If he doesn’t, then he’s not an ‘every-body’ candidate. Yet the impossible irony is – the coping mechanisms that Black communities have developed and mastered and that White Americans at no other time even care about, necessitates that the justifications for events in our world be different, that the self-talk we conduct in order to believe we can achieve must be different, and the rhetoric we spill in our churches in order to arouse, revive, wake up and stir some sense of willingness to continue fighting.
Simply put, the irony is like telling me ‘pull your self up by your bootstraps’, but then being offended that I touched my dirty shoes in the process. So please America, be reflective, although it is uncomfortable and incendiary to you at first glance, and think about it, ask yourselves why is this so? Why are all these multi-racial parishioners in this church if its all about hate? Hopefully you’ll end up in a better state of mind to judge whether such peripheral things should prevent the best candidate from getting candidacy.
Posted by: Reflectiv | March 16, 2008, 12:59 am 12:59 am
AllAboutME – I never claimed to have read the thesis. My comment was in response to the statement by Carol Perrone.
Posted by: MEPosey | March 16, 2008, 1:00 am 1:00 am
Hey people, a personal request…and please do not take offense. I know most of you think your comments are worthy of literary awards, but could we limit the posting of them to just one time? Seeing the same post over and over, or several times in a row doesn’t make your point any more relevant, it just makes it more annoying. Thank You!
Posted by: ghost | March 16, 2008, 1:00 am 1:00 am
MePosey,
What question are you referring to?I have no tolerance for people on either side of the race issues spewing hate. There are blacks and whites alike who do this. My point is, there is no way that you can tell us that he didn’t know his pastor made these remarks.
The things that bother me are that he stays in a church that preaches this crap, he lies about knowing anything about it. I don’t trust this man one bit. He has lied about Rezko and the Canadian Nafta thing as well. We’ve had enough of one liar for the last 8 years we don’t need a repeat.
Posted by: J | March 16, 2008, 1:01 am 1:01 am
Obama is the DIVIDER. I am a Democrat and I will vote for John McCain if Obama wins the Democrat nod. for the simple fact that I do not know him and he keeps himself private. No trust. Talks rhetoric. Skips important votes and name calls on the Senator’s who are doing their job as President.
Hillary Clinton for President.
Nancy Pelosi’s resignation. Super-delegates are a part of this election. If neither candidate can get to 2025 then the Super-delegates should decide. If they were to decide with their states then the would be directly tied to that states win. Why is Pelosi trying to change the rules in Obama’s favor. why did she set out to destroy the possibility of a DREAM Ticket. She is a divider with less then 29% popularity rating. Less then Bush’s. There are some old established Democrats trying real hard to manipulate this Election. Pelosi is one of them. Her job performance in the House alone results in “YOUR FIRED Pelosi”
Posted by: J.S | March 16, 2008, 1:03 am 1:03 am
catiger: I also apologize to you – I did not use the best choice of words. I love people, and am not about race – I am posting only because I do not believe Obama is our best choice. Actually, I fear him!!!
Posted by: carol perrone | March 16, 2008, 1:04 am 1:04 am
carol perrone: “I also apologize to you “… apology accepted.
She wrote that thesis when she was a undergraduate student in Princeton, in 70′s. Isn’t it so fair to use it now after 20 years.
I am sure all of us said things that can be picked when we were/are young. Besides, do you remember 70′s? Or, you might be too young for that. In terms of racial justice, 70′s was not a very good time. Kids now don’t appreciate the struggle. Colored people were not considered to be equal.
Not that I pick on you, your post does have quite a bit racial-undertone, which I am sure you did not mean, nevertheless quite obvious.
Posted by: catiger | March 16, 2008, 1:13 am 1:13 am
Nick-
Speaking for myself, I am an Obama supporter, but I am posting as a concerned citizen – I am not a campaign worker. My posts are long because I research rather than rant.
Posted by: MEPosey | March 16, 2008, 1:17 am 1:17 am
Somebody do this senile citizen a favor. Just what Church or Doctrine does Hillary follow & who, where or ever does she attend any Church or Bingo Parties.
Besides Her Afinity of The Almighty Dollar & The Great I AM!
Senator Obama just by the way he conducts & carries himself shows me that he is committed doing the right thing & is respectful of others. His testimony during these times has been tried by fire of the Clinton polictics of hate, & destruction.
You must remember that even as we post here. Mr. Ed. Rendell, Hafer, Bill, Chelsea, and all the Mayors, News & Newspapers of Penna & Servants to Hillary to mount a Goliath Force to prevail against Obama.
These Giants have made it a point to mock, criticize, ridicule & insult him as he stands alone to do our battle to make Our Country a better place.
Sure he’s outnumbered, yes he’s been called many names & the rumors never end. Do we have the courage to take on this Clinton Giant.
No – but Yes WE Can help by supporting this Shepherd in his & our time of need.
Posted by: Goliath | March 16, 2008, 1:21 am 1:21 am
Michelle disrespected herself, when she said “I’m finally proud of my country”. Michelle was given an affirmative action education at princeton, as she could not pass entry exam and did not have the 300,000 for 4 years education with room and board with cash to live on. Most respectable people would be grateful and be proud of their country, for this great gift!
Posted by: George | March 16, 2008, 1:22 am 1:22 am
Personally, I believe that the Obama election has done nothing more than divide the races. That to me is very sad. He and Michele espouse one thing, then we learn that what ever they say are all lies. I am not opposed to a black president – bring on Colin Powell – I would vote for him in a heartbeat.
Posted by: carol perrone | March 16, 2008, 1:25 am 1:25 am
I’m not pleased when Republicans go all religious on me. I’m even less pleased when Democrats do it.
I’m even LESS pleased when people talk about Obama…A POLITICIAN…being called a Shepard.
Good grief. ENOUGH OF THE RELIGIOUS TERMS TO DESCRIBE OBAMA.
Why would you encourage this nonsense if you were the candidate. Obama has an ego problem.
Posted by: Ben | March 16, 2008, 1:26 am 1:26 am
Antoin,
The same reason that they and others dig up old stuff on Clinton. If it is fair to dig up things on her, it is also fair to treat Obama the same way.
Posted by: J | March 16, 2008, 1:32 am 1:32 am
Something strange I noticed:
Why does Obama repudiate and distances himself from his pastor NOW AT THIS TIME?
So, if his pastor’s comments handn’t been exposed then Obama would have just let it slide and hid everything under the rug?
If they hadn’t captured those fellas breaking into Watergate, I’m quite certain Nixon wouldn’t have resigned?
Obama’s church doesn’t reflect my views. I sure hope no one from his church gets his ear IF he becomes president. Now that’s a scary thought!
Hillary or McCain sounds more American to me.
Posted by: Doug | March 16, 2008, 1:39 am 1:39 am
Catiger: Thank you for accepting my apology. Do I remember the 70′s? Sure I do. However I do not remember racial strife at that time. I remember it as a good era, and racial problems were not an issue. Probably less than they are today as a result of Obama.
Posted by: carol perrone | March 16, 2008, 1:44 am 1:44 am
Antoin,
You did state the following:
“I mean they took the time to go diggin in somebodies old college papers WHY? ”
That is what I was referring to. They’ve done it to Clinton for years.
Yeah it has nothing to do with the state of the country, but it does give you an insight to what these people are about. We don’t know much about Obama because they have not looked into his background until recently. What they have found isn’t pretty at all.
Posted by: J | March 16, 2008, 1:48 am 1:48 am
Obama keeps telling us what to see, what to hear, what to believe, he asks us to discredit our own intellect, our instincts, and our common sense almost on a daily basis. He asks us to laugh off obscene displays and he devolves to his 2 word lexicon (hope change) instead of answering serious questions.
I do not believe you any more Obama, you just look like a clown now trying to insist that I do.
Posted by: Judy B | March 16, 2008, 1:51 am 1:51 am
Hillary is arguing that the superdelegates should decide on who should be the nominee, regardless of which candidate accumulates the most delegates.
Do people realize that her “overall advantage among superdelegates has come from current and former party officials, reflecting the ties she and her husband have built over the years.” (New York Times).
So she apparently thinks it is fair for her friends and associates to choose the nominee. A person who would argue this way is very hard to imagine as president. It is troubling.
Posted by: Mike Denhof | March 16, 2008, 2:00 am 2:00 am
Scott Buchele,
I agree that we should not be blamed for something that happened a couple of hundred years ago. We did not do this nor did our grandparents etc. Why should we continue to hear this nonsense in 2008? I also am an American, not a Polish/British American, just an American.
Posted by: J | March 16, 2008, 2:08 am 2:08 am
How about we let the people decide?
Posted by: jock59801 | March 16, 2008, 2:22 am 2:22 am
obama says when you hear things like wright’s statements you have to speak out forcefully against them. i guess he means after you get caught. first he tries to deny, deny, deny, as usual, then excuses and minimizes, then finally repudiates only when he has to. then he has the NERVE to try to use bobby kennedy for his own benefit! sorry, obama, i remember bobby kennedy and you are no bobby kennedy. you aren’t even up to the standards of teddy, which is a pretty low standard. at least he has accomplished some things when not having dead girl incidents.
Posted by: so saddened | March 16, 2008, 2:25 am 2:25 am
I’m voting for Senator Hillary Clinton.
Posted by: Cheryl | March 16, 2008, 2:28 am 2:28 am
obama is a divider not a uniter. he is a phony and a fraud. he is a liar and a liar and a liar and a liar. . . . the evidence keeps coming out, but the obamaites don’t care. they delude themselves into thinking he can win a general election. they call us names. what will they do when it’s all over and they have lost?
Posted by: so saddened | March 16, 2008, 2:43 am 2:43 am
What I find interesting if this was Hillary the Obamaniacs would be yelling for her head on a platter. All of a sudden this kind of divisive stuff is ok because it is Obama.
Posted by: J | March 16, 2008, 2:48 am 2:48 am
Obama the dissembler is at it again. Hate is love, lies are truths, division is unity . . .
Repeat ad infinitum and numb your enraptured audience into unthinking submission.
Obama, in addition to being indoctrinated by Mr. Wright, must have been an avid student of Orwellian Newspeak.
Thank God most of us still possess that most American of virtues: simple commonsense to see through BS.
Posted by: Marty A | March 16, 2008, 2:48 am 2:48 am
Biggest thing he lied
In ohio primary, he got re-opened 3 polling with a court order. All were in cleveland, in the highest African American area, due to weather.
Right down the street, Had the same weather, Their polling places were not re-opened. Was it to white an area for him?
Is that discrimination?
That was His doing, not his Rev.
I say it was down right racist, and intentional.
Posted by: seah | March 16, 2008, 2:50 am 2:50 am
ETHICS, CREDIBILITY, JUDGEMENT AND HONESTY are just some of the qualities required for a presidential candidate. Unfortunately, Senator Obama is lacking. He doesn’t hear his pastor’s statements of hate, he doesn’t see his fundraiser Rezko cheating poor people and yet wants the voters to believe he is the candidate that will bring all Americans together. NO WAY.
Posted by: Mary Holmes | March 16, 2008, 2:51 am 2:51 am
IF OBAMA IS SUCH A POOR JUDGE OF CHARACTER OF HIS FRIEND AND ADVISOR OF 20 YEARS, HOW IS HE TO SUM UP HEADS OF STATE FROM OTHER COUNTRIES? SOMETIMES, YOU HAVE ONLY A VERY SHORT TIME TO DETERMINE IF SOMEONE IS LYING OR NOT. I BELIEVE OBAMA IS A VERY SMART HARVARD GRAD, MAY TAKE HIM ALL OF 1 MINUTE TO DETERMINE IF SOMEONE IS RACIST OR NOT. HE KNOWS HIS PASTOR IS A RACIST- NOW THE WORLD KNOWS. OBAMA NEEDS TO STOP LYING. THE TRUTH WILL BE KNOWN, HOPEFULLY BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE.
Posted by: Linda | March 16, 2008, 3:14 am 3:14 am
Many people thought that Obama came into this race like jackson and soon he will be out like them. Now that they realize that he is a serious candidate and ahead the RACIALLY based attacks started to flow.
Posted by: Cheguevera | March 16, 2008, 3:20 am 3:20 am
Mary wrote
ETHICS, CREDIBILITY, JUDGEMENT AND HONESTY are just some of the qualities required for a presidential candidate.
you should have asked this question to the Clintons
Posted by: Cheguevera | March 16, 2008, 3:23 am 3:23 am
” All of a sudden this kind of divisive stuff is ok because it is Obama.”
No it isn’t Obama. It’s a man he knows. Just like Hillary knows over forty convicted felons and dozens of misandrist gender feminists. Not even counting the ones dear Bill pardoned before leaving office.
Just like McCain is close to “end timer” lunatics like Hagee who want Israel attacked so Jesus can return to Earth..
Posted by: Bertoff | March 16, 2008, 3:25 am 3:25 am
BETTY C,
It’s not the fact he is a black man. I don’t care if he is polka dot. It’s a fact that he has lied on several occasions about Rev. Wright, Rezko and the Canadian Nafta thing. This has nothing to do with race.
Posted by: J | March 16, 2008, 3:26 am 3:26 am
OK lets keep digging up old dirt on Clinton and leave poor Obama alone. His supporters will never see the truth about this man no matter what anyone says. Can’t you Obamamaniacs ever post anything that doesn’t have something negative about Clinton in it?
Posted by: J | March 16, 2008, 3:30 am 3:30 am
“Notice how FOX is keeping this in the news for McCain and Karl Rove.”
Who cares? No one who is NOT already biased to the right of Genghis Khan watches Fox news anyway.
Posted by: GunghaDin | March 16, 2008, 3:31 am 3:31 am
Matthew,
You are not running for POTUS. In his position he should not be surrounding himself with people like Wright or Rezko. He won’t win the general election anyway, so maybe we won’t have to worry about it.
Posted by: J | March 16, 2008, 3:34 am 3:34 am
Any of us in a church stay with our church despite being in disagreement with some of the things preachers say. Catholics do not give up birth control. Even if you had Mother Teresa for a spiritual adviser, she has said things you do not agree with. For example she believed people should not use birth control even in India because the more people who were born and suffered the more got taken to God. The pope says America is wrong in Iraq. What church do YOU people believe in that has infallible saints and martyrs. The fact is God’s messengers may be mistaken, but we go to church for God.
Posted by: Calvin Bishop | March 16, 2008, 3:40 am 3:40 am
Pro-Hillary Democrats and organizations should consider create an open letter (with millions of voters’ endorsements) to Democratic National Committee in order to urge them allow a revote in Michigan and to honor the primary result in Florida. This letter would not be turned down easily if it was endorsed by millions of voters. Whoever has the resource or access should get this started.
Meanwhile, Democrats should not care about dividing the party as much as they care for this country. It should be ok if a continuing competition between Hillary and Obama would eventually help John McCain to win the election since McCain will be a better president than Obama because McCain is more trustworthy, reliable and royal to this country.
Posted by: yi001 | March 16, 2008, 3:42 am 3:42 am
Pro-Hillary Democrats and organizations should consider create an open letter (with millions of voters’ endorsements) to Democratic National Committee in order to urge them allow a revote in Michigan and to honor the primary result in Florida. This letter would not be turned down easily by DNC if it was endorsed by millions of voters. Whoever has the resource or access should lead us and get this started.
Meanwhile, Democrats should not care about dividing the party as much as they care for this country. It should be ok if a continuing competition between Hillary and Obama would eventually help John McCain to win the election since McCain will be a better president than Obama as McCain is more trustworthy, reliable and royal to this country.
By the way, I identify myself as 75% Democrat and 25% Republican. Hillary Clinton is my favorite, but John McCain has also earned my respect.
Posted by: yi001 | March 16, 2008, 3:50 am 3:50 am
Yup, Obama supporters would rather vote for a conman into office. Kinda like the GOP voting george W. Bush into office.
Posted by: Joseph | March 16, 2008, 3:52 am 3:52 am
TL. Jone, tell me what makes you like Obama so much? Just curious. Thanks.
Posted by: yi001 | March 16, 2008, 3:53 am 3:53 am
Let’s see, Obama has been going to this church for 20 years. If he disagreed with the views of his pastor, wouldn’t you change to a different church??? Unless you really felt like America owed Blacks something. The media gave Obama a pass through most of the primary/caucuses and now that things are hitting the fan, Obama supporters are crying foul. This sort of vetting should have happened sooner. The high of the feel good empty rhetoric they were sucking in is wearing off. Regardless of what happens to Obama, I fear this will only hurt the democratic party in the general elections.
Posted by: Nick | March 16, 2008, 3:54 am 3:54 am
You have no idea how royally angry we are going to be to have Obama as the nominee.
The clinton supporters, made up of Reagan Democrats, cannot POSSIBLY vote for a guy who attended a racist anti american church for 20 years.
No reasonable person would CONTINUE to go to the church. They wouldnt bring their kids their either.
This guy has been doing this for YEARS. We have the tapes. Obama is LYING to the american people that he ‘didnt know’ the guy was completely OFF HIS ROCKER.
Obama is utterly unelectable. But with Nancy Pelosi , Ted Kennedy , John Kerry and other BOUND AND DETERMINED to stick this IDIOT into the white house , all its going to do is guarantee a Mc Cain LANDSLIDE in the fall.
The republicans are DANCING up and down with this stuff. Obama cant convince a majority of americans he is a REASONABLE candidate for president in a general election.
How?????????????????
The country is INSANE if it honestly lets a guy anywhere near the white house with this attitude and NO experience .
Posted by: tomdavie | March 16, 2008, 3:56 am 3:56 am
Common people…stop trying to pull this crap again!!! This time the United States of America has another chance to have a great and charismatic leader who can impact the lives of many; please, let’s grow up and stop hating each other, that is the only way out my black, latino and white fellows!
Posted by: Francis | March 16, 2008, 4:03 am 4:03 am
He shouldn’t be allowed to be voted president. It’s just going to bring this country down even more. America will never be the same. People should look hard at what he says and look beyond because there’s a whole new agenda in mind. He’ll have a short presidency as he may be assissinated. Let’s be smart America. It’s time to get this country back to the way America used to be.
Posted by: ben | March 16, 2008, 4:05 am 4:05 am
I love how some of you Obama haters will go so far as to talk of him being assassinated with something close to joy.
Evil is the word for you.
And if evil don’t like something, it has to be good/
Posted by: Betty C | March 16, 2008, 4:09 am 4:09 am
Evidently there are posters on this blog with a vested interest in the Obama candidacy. Getting paid by the hour to troll sites like this and spin the media, I would bet.
But there’s no amount of specious sophistry that can rationalize or erase the revolting image of Obama’s fellow churchgoers rejoicing in obvious approval and exultation at Mr. Wright’s rant that 9/11 was a case of “America’s chickens coming home to roost” (a phrase cribbed, by the way, from Malcolm X’s press conference on the Vietnam War in the 60s).
This was the Sunday after the 9/11 attacks, you have to remember, when everyone I knew, regardless of their political, cultural or social differences and divisions, came together in recognition of one another’s humanity and to share in common grief. I cannot fathom a mind that would take that Sunday, or any Sunday for that matter, to plunge to the subhuman depths to indulge in malicious joy in the face of unspeakable suffering and loss by their fellow countrymen and their neighbors. What separates Obama’s fellow churchgoers, whooping it up and high-fiving each other at the thought of those victims getting their just retribution for America’s “sins” from the murderous Muslim radicals who swarmed the streets of Afghanistan or Iraq in jubilation when the Twin Towers collapsed in a flaming heap with thousands trapped inside? And was Obama and his family not present for that sermon as well?? How convenient . . . On a day when even agnostic Americans found it necessary to seek out their nearest places of worship??
The thought that if Obama should become President, the likes of Mr. Wright would be advising him on matters of the soul is truly chilling. Thankfully, now that we know him by the company he keeps and will continue to keep, Obama’s chances of getting anywhere near the White House is practically nil.
Posted by: Marty A | March 16, 2008, 4:13 am 4:13 am
You may be right about the assassination…but what are we suppose to do in America??? Give up the fight? Let discrimination prevale against us? Also, you say we should watch out what Obama says…WHAT????? Have you heard what every other candidate has said so far???
Finally, it is the notion of a whole new agenda that in fact has to be applauded; in politics, the simple and most honest actions are the ones that make a real change!!!
Posted by: Francis | March 16, 2008, 4:13 am 4:13 am
How about the nerve of this guy. His pastor is the divisive one and Obama is giving the rest us a lecture on tolerance. It would of been nice if he gave him the same lecture 20 years ago.
Posted by: Done! | March 16, 2008, 4:20 am 4:20 am
In thinking back, I remember a time when race really didn’t seem to be an issue in this nominating process, and then in the South Carolina primary, Tim Russert asked Obama about allegations that his campaign was involved in “race-baiting”. Obama denied it, and then Russert produced 4 pages of notes from the Obama campaign with quotes from Hillary or her campaign that might be interpreted as racist if magnified or taken out of context, whatever. That’s where the “divisiveness” began, so Mr. Obama should look be looking at himself and his shameful “race-baiting” techniques before he tries once again to blame this one on the Clinton campaign.
Posted by: Grammy Barb | March 16, 2008, 4:34 am 4:34 am
All the Hillary supporters now spend their time making comments about Obama and his pastor. Well, I will sincerely advice you to go out there and keep campaigning for your Hillary because no matter what you write here, it wont sway voters.
We read these comments not to help us make decisions.
FOR YOUR INFORMATION
OBAMA JUST WON BIG TIME IN IOWA AGAIN !!
Posted by: tony makolo | March 16, 2008, 4:35 am 4:35 am
For 20 years Obama embraces the hate and racism of pator Wright, now because its bad for votes he denouces it. He said that words matter, yes Obama I agree words matter and your pastor words matter, and your lack of word to denouce it for 20 years matter!
Posted by: National-Letter | March 16, 2008, 4:35 am 4:35 am
Thank God most Americans don’t read these blogs. It is so easy to tell that they are stacked by people who lack objectivity, who all think alike. Someone, Longfellow or somebody like that, once said “a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds.” Here the small minds gather en masse in praise of themselves. They must smell themselves and they all smell great.
From Ohio
Posted by: Leon Stennis | March 16, 2008, 4:37 am 4:37 am
Betty C,
I guess it doesn’t matter what the Clintons have done for the black community in the past. Nobody will ever change your mind so I am done. Go ahead and vote for this fraud. Come back here when he loses the election to the Republicans.
You haven’t seen half of what they will do to him. You had better believe this and several other things will be an issue in the general elction.
Posted by: J | March 16, 2008, 4:43 am 4:43 am
Obama’s absolutely correct that the forces of division have raised their ugly heads — because the status quo in Washington wants Hillary Clinton to be the Democratic nominee. Fox News in particular has made it its mission to bring down Obama and Rush Limbaugh and others in the “right wing” media are doing everything they can to make sure that Hillary Clinton is the Democratic nominee. Why? Because they know that there is no way in hell that Clinton can beat McCain but that Obama will blow away McCain in the general election. THE ONLY WAY THE REPUBLICANS CAN WIN THIS ELECTION IS IF THE DEMOCRATS ARE DIVIDED. This is going to get much uglier. Our only hope for change is to elect Obama.
Posted by: Sue | March 16, 2008, 4:46 am 4:46 am
so, a person running for President was unaware of the philosophy and anger of a man he knew very well for 20 years…….I think America deserves a President who is more aware of what’s going on around him….or her
Posted by: chris | March 16, 2008, 4:50 am 4:50 am
SUE, Really? So those REPUBLICANS and Rush Limbaugh made Omama (the racist) worship in that idoit racist church?
Posted by: National-Letter | March 16, 2008, 4:52 am 4:52 am
it was virtually impossible for obama to win in November before this whole ordeal…..now it is more of an obvious impossibility….
Posted by: chris | March 16, 2008, 4:55 am 4:55 am
Senator Clinton is the best candidate for the Presidency and Commander-in-Chief for our children, our troops and America……don’t they and we deserve the best right now?
Posted by: chris | March 16, 2008, 4:58 am 4:58 am
People join churches, clubs, teams because they identify with them, and feel happy there, because they represent their own inspirations.
Barak was a member of the church for 20 years. He went to libya with Wright and Farrakhan. He says he did not know that Wright or Farrakhan given “incendiary” speeches against the White devils. His wife never saw anything good in USA till now. He did not know Rezko was a crook, and his decision to take money from a crook and ask for property was a “bonehead” decision. 20 years!! And now the Obamacan-mites want to close their ears and their eyes to any simple test that shows the man does not represent the all American ideal and values they thought he did.
He is destroying the Democratic Party and this guy is going to bring the nation together? Give me a break!!
Posted by: Retro Vision | March 16, 2008, 5:06 am 5:06 am
I would rather vote for George Bush again than Barack Obama.
Posted by: Anthony | March 16, 2008, 5:07 am 5:07 am
Obama is done with. I was a supporter but not anymore. I will vote for Hillary now.
Posted by: Jack | March 16, 2008, 5:11 am 5:11 am
Don’t count on Hillary losing Pa. I live in PA and we are alot like Ohio. It really doesn’t matter because he will not win the general election.
Posted by: J | March 16, 2008, 5:12 am 5:12 am
Anthony, your vote only does not count,
You made a mistake G. Bush will not be on the ballot anymore.
Join us and put Obama to white house.
He is for the future. all well informed people both white man like me and black are working toward united America.
Church or pastor can not determine our future.
United we stand divided will fall boy.
Think cross over
Posted by: Kay | March 16, 2008, 5:15 am 5:15 am
anthony—
WELL, I WOULDN’T GO QUITE THAT FAR ;-)
Posted by: QUESTIONER | March 16, 2008, 5:15 am 5:15 am
I am increasingly worried about the slow incremental drip of divisiveness coming from the Obama camp: Michelle Obama’s portrayal of the country as only now being somewhere she could be proud of; the pre-South Carolina Primaries (the first where African-Americans were a sizeable voting force) when senior members of the Obama Camp, including Jesse Jackson Jr., distorted the Clintons’ words to paint them as racists; Pastor Wright, however, is the most concerning – and for Senator Obama to say that the video of his hate-speech is only “some” of what the good reverend says and believes in, is like saying that, besides hating Jews, Gypsies and Gays, Hitler loved animals … Disingenuous to say the least – and deeply disrepectful to those who lost loved ones on 9/11!
Posted by: Anton | March 16, 2008, 5:19 am 5:19 am
Yeah I think Pastor Wright would have better chance of winning than Obama, at least he stands behind his convictions. Obama is a whipy fraud
Posted by: National-Letter | March 16, 2008, 5:21 am 5:21 am
I believe in God and I know that God punish, if not punish, at least He would not help those who do bad things.
USA has acted like the world police and always uses it super power to intimate other countries in the world. Because of that God does not look at USA as His favorite “child”. Americans are usually okay and good poeple. However, in politic, the US government is not. When you fight a war not is not unjust, God would not help you. I don’t totally agree with Obama’s pastor, but I can see his point on why USA is in someway responsible for what happened on 9/11. When you chased the dog to the deadend street, this dog would fight back.
Posted by: ha | March 16, 2008, 5:23 am 5:23 am
Obama lies too much and every time he is caught he cries the forces of division. He is dividing the party he said he had betterjudgement beause he gave a speech against th war, but then himself said he repeatedly made bad judgement in buying real state with Rezko help. He also had bad judgement in having his pastor in charge of spritual leadership in his campaign, Now he says that does not agree and is not that familiar with his spiritual leader of 20 years, the man that he said was as an uncle to him. How hypocrite.
Posted by: Raul | March 16, 2008, 5:28 am 5:28 am
Mort you can say whatever you like. what we know is that America of today os not America of yesterday, where our great great grandparent treated other color defferently. Besides this guy is a half white. even though he not a half white why do we have united stated of America.
Who can actually come out and say my father is the origintor of USA. it is only white fought for American independent.
Boy give more break. the country belong to every one of us. Give Obama your vote
He is unstopable. Sen. Clinton is a nice lady, she should use any tactics to get vote, let her go straight to her pont dont bring this party down because of your selfish interest.
Posted by: Kay | March 16, 2008, 5:29 am 5:29 am
Obama and his pastor are the ones who have been injecting racism and race baiting into this campaign. HE IS THE ONE WHO HAS BEEN DIVISIVE. Now he is trying to “hoodwink” us all into thinking that it’s the other people who are raising the ugly heads of race– that to criticise his pastor’s racist remarks is to be divisive.
Obama is truly the most corrupt, most hypocritical, most arrogant, most presumptuous and most anti-American president in the history of the U.S.
There is no way in hell that I will EVER vote for this divisive hatemonger. Words and facade don’t veil his inner resentment of America.
Posted by: jasoninpa10 | March 16, 2008, 5:33 am 5:33 am
J.R Should we not hold ourselves to the same HIGH standards that we hold others?
Obama is claiming to be different than other politicians, he is the one trying to judge everyone else as divider and racist. He is the one not living up to the standards he is setting for every one else
Posted by: Raul | March 16, 2008, 5:34 am 5:34 am
Drop out. Obama! You are dividing the party and the country. So, just drop out.
Posted by: yi001 | March 16, 2008, 5:40 am 5:40 am
Raul,
That is the problem I find with him. He’s said that he is different and not old politics,that he is above the all of that. Obviously he is not any better than any other politician. He is the one that has campaigned as the change candidate.
Posted by: J | March 16, 2008, 5:46 am 5:46 am
Why did Sen.Clinton is trying not to answer questions about her involmment with Rezko. Is it because media are so afraid of her or they are trying to cover her up
You can only talk about Obama. You will see what will come out with Hallary report a week to PA primary then you can decide who is actually a green snake under green grass.
Posted by: Kay | March 16, 2008, 5:51 am 5:51 am
My God …why is he still being allowed to run for President of the United States….I just saw that video of Rev Wright..My God…It is worse then they say….and yet Obama is still picking up delegates on Saturday…Is he brain washing them….
Posted by: Jesse James | March 16, 2008, 5:55 am 5:55 am
Kay,
“You can only talk about Obama”
Did you read the title and the article people are commenting on?
Posted by: Anton | March 16, 2008, 5:56 am 5:56 am
We all know that Obama is a good speaker. And now he is trying to speak out both sides of his mouth. If this were Hillary everyone would be calling for her head. And remember Obama’s wife is the one who introduced Obama to Wright. And you know what she said about America. She is finally proud because her husband is running for pres. Please. We now know what the Obama’s think of America and American’s. And in order to take control and change things the way they want them. Well run for the top job. And change it for them only. Not for all American’s just the one they like. Remember Wright saying God D. America. Do we want someone in office that is a good friend’s and says that Wright is a mentor.. in our office. Come on people wake up. Obama is showing who he really is. NOW IS TIME TO ACT. DONOT VOTE FOR HIM. BIRDS OF A FEATHER AS THEY SAY….GREG
Posted by: greg | March 16, 2008, 5:57 am 5:57 am
So now is his “former” pastor
Posted by: Raul | March 16, 2008, 6:02 am 6:02 am
The End of Obama for President. Bye Barak, Bye Michelle, Bye poor children!
Posted by: Jeff | March 16, 2008, 6:03 am 6:03 am
Dear Larry Picney. Well said my friend well said…greg
Posted by: greg | March 16, 2008, 6:06 am 6:06 am
Eye In The Sky…there are not a lot of Obama haters on this web site…these are the people who were voting for Obama before they found out about Rev Wright…they simply changed their minds….
Posted by: Jesse James | March 16, 2008, 6:10 am 6:10 am
Is Obama running as the “unaware” president? Unaware that his pastor is hate filled, unaware that Rezko was under investigation, unaware that he needed to actually vote something other then present. Vote Obama – The Unaware President!
Posted by: jim | March 16, 2008, 6:11 am 6:11 am
If Obama can’t pick his own pastor correctly why do we think he can pick a supreme court justice?
Posted by: susan | March 16, 2008, 6:13 am 6:13 am
Folks, as much as the Obamamaniacs hate to admit it, his candidacy is dead in the water.
I’m not sure the Democrats will get their act together even at this fairly late stage and shift their support to Hillary or perhaps even bring on Al Gore by acclamation at the convention, but it’s over for Obama. We don’t have to worry about his potential Supreme Court choices, only McCain’s.
Posted by: Trevor | March 16, 2008, 6:17 am 6:17 am
Why any difficulty that Obama encounters is blamed on somebody else? Obama himself said that he “REPEATEDLY” used bad judgement in dealing with Rezko. Do we want a president that “REPEATEDLY” commits the same bad judgement?
Posted by: Raul | March 16, 2008, 6:21 am 6:21 am
It seems to me that some people are using this scandal (which is not oBama’s own statements) to justify their own negative attitudes towards the Barack as a Black person. Open your eyes people, Obama did not say these things!! My pastor at Elim pentecostal, who happens to be White, says loads of anti-migrant comments and i still attend his church: because most of the other uncontrovasial things he says are worthy.
Posted by: chchu | March 16, 2008, 6:23 am 6:23 am
Obviously the other people in Obama’s church believe what pastor Wright is saying or they wouldn’t be jumping and jiveing. Do you think the Obama’s are still welcome there? I wonder if they will be attending today.
Posted by: jim | March 16, 2008, 6:26 am 6:26 am
After the revelation of the comments by Obama’s minister, it’s almost a certainty that he cannot win the general election. Even if the media drops this story, the GOP won’t. The “Yes We Can” euphoria will be stripped away by wave after wave of Republican attack ads. Imagine a commercial with Michelle Obama’s “For the first time, I’m proud of America,” combined with any one of Wright’s borderline-traitorous comments, followed by the image of McCain coming off the plane from Vietnam. There is no way the Democrats can counter that.
Posted by: kfmiller | March 16, 2008, 6:32 am 6:32 am
It’s disheartening. This whole Wright thing and Oboma’s response to it. I am a New Yorker and I cant stand Hillary. I haven’t from the start she move to New York because a committee determined New York was her best shot at getting elected to the senate. She came here not because she saw a way to help New Yorkers but rather a way New Yorkers could help her. I believe her bid for the white house is similarly motivated. The republicans felt with the current moron in the white house they couldn’t win so they conceded this race. What did the democrats do ,they paraded the same cast of characters as the last except one Barack Obama. I don’t think they gave him a chance this was to be Hillary’s time. However the rest of us saw a charismatic well spoke man we could all be proud to say He is our president. Now the disheartening part have Mr. Wrights remarks break in the media Barack Obama didn’t raise to the occasion he instead choose to lie. We all know the statement he never heard Wright speak of these things is a out and out lie. There is no way he wasn’t aware of his preacher and friend position on these things. That is ridiculous.
Now what? Who to vote for? The liar, the opportunist or the lobotomized republican.
Posted by: New york | March 16, 2008, 6:33 am 6:33 am
“Let he without sin cast the first stone” does that ring bell? i guess not…
Posted by: chchu | March 16, 2008, 6:37 am 6:37 am
As an American I am asking, requesting that Barack Obama step down. He has known this so called pastor for 20years. Soo Obama knew how he felt. And he knew what he was saying. So again. Barack be a gentleman and do the right thing and pull out of this race. You owe it to the American people. The real American people. The ones who love there country. Do the right thing and leave. greg b..
Posted by: greg | March 16, 2008, 6:38 am 6:38 am
Why any difficulty that Obama encounters is blamed on somebody else? Obama HIMSELF said that he “REPEATEDLY” used bad judgement in dealing with Rezko. Do we want a president that “REPEATEDLY” commits the same bad judgement?
Posted by: Raul | March 16, 2008, 6:38 am 6:38 am
Mr. Obama, many believe you have fueled the “forces of division” because you did not denounce and separate yourself from Mr. Wright or Wright’s church. Furthermore Mr. Obama, you also did not denounce and separate yourself from your “friend” Mr. Rezko. There are many, many “forces of division” not only in the USA but in the world. It is the responsibility of each us, but more so politicians and leaders of the world, to minimize those “forces of division.” You, Mr. Obama, have fueled them by doing absolutely nothing.
Posted by: david | March 16, 2008, 6:42 am 6:42 am
Yeah, let’s vote for the race-baiter. The one who who allows a someone from their campaign to bounce from news show to news show, for a week, proclaiming that Obama’s ahead of Hillary because he’s a black man. One phone call from Hillary to Mrs.Ferrero could’ve put an end to that BS before it really got started.
“They’re attacking me because I’m white. Hows that?!”
A pastor saying controversial things is the norm in America from what I’ve seen but actively using race to divide a country and potentially win an election as Hillary is clearly doing goes to a level of reprehensible that Mr. Wright can’t even get close to, he doesn’t have the power.
Posted by: Mike | March 16, 2008, 6:46 am 6:46 am
Mike, i agree with you… finally people are begining to think for themselves… haliluaya!!!!
Posted by: chchu | March 16, 2008, 6:52 am 6:52 am
some more free thinkers please? those who know not to cast the “first stone” when they themsleves arent spotless
Posted by: chchu | March 16, 2008, 6:54 am 6:54 am
mmmm…. some quiet…seems as though some people are begining to get pricked by their own consciences… does that surprise me… mmmm not really. I believe people are fundamentally intellingent and capable of free thought
Posted by: chchu | March 16, 2008, 6:56 am 6:56 am
anyone out there who are fundamentally intelligent and capable of free thought definately wont be voting for Obama
Posted by: sm | March 16, 2008, 6:58 am 6:58 am
has free thought finally set them all free?
Posted by: chchu | March 16, 2008, 6:58 am 6:58 am
Since some of our more religious-minded, self-righteous moralists seem to be joining this discussion rather late, here’s my post again. If this is casting stones, then so be it!
But there’s no amount of specious sophistry that can rationalize or erase the revolting image of Obama’s fellow churchgoers rejoicing in obvious approval and exultation at Mr. Wright’s rant that 9/11 was a case of “America’s chickens coming home to roost” (a phrase cribbed, by the way, from Malcolm X’s press conference on the Vietnam War in the 60s).
This was the Sunday after the 9/11 attacks, you have to remember, when everyone I knew, regardless of their political, cultural or social differences and divisions, came together in recognition of one another’s humanity and to share in common grief. I cannot fathom a mind that would take that Sunday, or any Sunday for that matter, to plunge to the subhuman depths to indulge in malicious joy in the face of unspeakable suffering and loss by their fellow countrymen and their neighbors. What separates Obama’s fellow churchgoers, whooping it up and high-fiving each other at the thought of those victims getting their just retribution for America’s “sins” from the murderous Muslim radicals who swarmed the streets of Afghanistan or Iraq in jubilation when the Twin Towers collapsed in a flaming heap with thousands trapped inside? And was Obama and his family not present for that sermon as well?? How convenient . . . On a day when even agnostic Americans found it necessary to seek out their nearest places of worship??
The thought that if Obama should become President, the likes of Mr. Wright would be advising him on matters of the soul is truly chilling. Thankfully, now that we know him by the company he keeps and will continue to keep, Obama’s chances of getting anywhere near the White House is practically nil.
Posted by: Marty A | March 16, 2008, 6:59 am 6:59 am
The is such a bunch of bull. You don’t stay at a church with a pastor, who protrays that kind of hate for the American people just because of the color of their skin. This goes for any race. This is a new generation that doesn’t see color anymore. Thank God all those old timers white and black that hold on to such bitterness and hate for each oter is rapidly disappearing. I want to see an African American run this country. But, not a hypocrite like Obama who has not been honest with the American people!!
Posted by: peaches | March 16, 2008, 6:59 am 6:59 am
mmmmm, seems SIM, has some real issues to present before us… well, the floor is your now.
Posted by: chchu | March 16, 2008, 7:00 am 7:00 am
I think Obama made it clear that’s he wasn’t aware of the statement , and he reject it , so for now I think the media would like to bring race into this election , Clinton’s campagin worked hard to show him as Less American in away they tired The Muslims names , the national Anthem , the Dress , the Canadian Spin in which a member of her staff involved .
The difference is about what he stand for not those issues and I think this what the Media overlooked .
well if people would like to talk about transparency let’s Clinton’s publish their TAX (It’s smell), as well their relations with Peter Paul , (the court date is not far ) .
Let’s talk about the issues that’s the voter’s would like to talk about
Posted by: maurice | March 16, 2008, 7:04 am 7:04 am
This guy is turning into a arrogant monster before our very eyes. He is starting to believe in his own magnificence the media has bestowed on him. Watching him lie his way through the cream puff questions the media tossed at him over his pastor was the icing on the cake for me. All his interviews are now laced with references to racism. This is not the unifier that came on the scene a year ago, but sadly I think it is the real Obama we are finally seeing.
Posted by: Rich | March 16, 2008, 7:05 am 7:05 am
Yeah, Maurice, Obama was “unaware” of such statements, ideas and sentiments by his spiritual mentor of 20 years. And no, he wasn’t in church on the Sunday after 9/11 when that hateful, repulsive “sermon” was given.
Oh, and the earth is flat, by the way.
Posted by: Trevor | March 16, 2008, 7:08 am 7:08 am
Hello Marty, as you probably noticed, i just woke up from sleep (understandably so given the rants in this forum). There is ofcourse no doubt that Mr Wright’s comments are appauling, and very insensitive about the race situation in America. But, dont forget Obama is the spotlight here… Obama has distanced from the man and repudiated his comments, drove him out of his campaign…. and there is still thirst for more blood? Again i will assure u that you arent ‘casting stones’ but expressing a legitimate concern that calls for debate. But the question is really, does religion and should religion become a focus for chosing a candidate? I was under the illusion it was on the campaigne manifesto. What the candidate proposes to do… please enlighten me further
Posted by: chchu | March 16, 2008, 7:09 am 7:09 am
You Obama people are just like your candidate of choice. You refuse to accept that a man should be held accountable for his own actions, choices, beliefs. You blame everything on the media, the Clintons, the racist conspiracy…
The American voters are not that stupid. And seeing how Obama is handling this crisis, he doesn’t look like he needs any help from the Clinton camp in his self-destruction.
Posted by: Trevor | March 16, 2008, 7:11 am 7:11 am
Clinton is the only chance (although rather small) that the democratic party has now of having a democrat as president now after all this scandal. Thats a sad thought because she doesnt have too much to offer herself. All these scandals have successfully propelled McCain in a position to win, especially if he is running against Obama. I am republican and up to this point I had full intention of voting for Obama. Now I wouldn’t vote for him to operate a pooper scooper through my neighborhood.
Posted by: sm | March 16, 2008, 7:11 am 7:11 am
One is judged by the company one keeps.
Posted by: Toby Hill | March 16, 2008, 7:18 am 7:18 am
chchu, I would suggest that you do some basic reading up yourself. It was Obama who had a “spiritual advisory committee” headed up by the good Rev. So who’s been injecting religion into poltics??
And the fact that this man has been an intimate advisor to Obama on matters both personal and political for much of his adult life does weigh heavily on anyone who’s trying to evaluate him as a candidate who has offered superior “judgment” as his strongest asset to compensate for this lack of experience. So, yes, all of this furor over Rev. Wright’s ideology of victimhood and racial blame is germane to the discussion. What else do you want?
Posted by: Marty A | March 16, 2008, 7:23 am 7:23 am
SOrry to burst the bubble… but any other important issue please?
Posted by: chchu | March 16, 2008, 7:25 am 7:25 am
All I can say is what a non-issue…The issues are healthcare, war in Iraq, war in Afghanistan, global warming, lack of jobs, violence in schools and in society,gas prices, disappearing family farms and obviously racial tension – These are the issues that matter and I think Obama gives us a good possibility of getting out of the rut we’re in. This is true love of country – to criticize, see its faults but love it enough to get involved and make it better – not wait for someone else to do it for you but look for ways to do it yourself. All this hateful ranting and picking someone you don’t even know apart does nothing.
Posted by: me | March 16, 2008, 7:26 am 7:26 am
The hatred spuing in these blog posts is just appalling. These are the very “forces of division” that BO & others refer to. Certainly, we all have a right to disagree and express ourselves; but must we be hostile, offensive or disrespectful in doing so? Where is our civility? Even if you feel there has been an attack on your candidate, must you respond on the same level? You obscure your message and its meaning when you cloak it in hatred. Honestly, most people WILL listen (at least) to an opposing point of view if it comes from a place of respect. Civility. Remember civility.
Posted by: Mary | March 16, 2008, 7:28 am 7:28 am
I dont know his credentials for most of the list of the things he can get us out of the rut on…. but i do know his credentials on the racial tensions
Posted by: sm | March 16, 2008, 7:30 am 7:30 am
chchu, what, no more holier-than-thou platitudes to counter with?
This is the issue, my benighted friend, that goes to the heart of whether we should be choosing someone who’s been touted by his own supporters as “inspirational,” “a uniter,” “a healer,” etc, since he has nothing else to offer in the way of policy or credentials or experience.
What baloney!
Posted by: Marty A | March 16, 2008, 7:31 am 7:31 am
How many here think Obama will or should step down from the race to be President. i would like to see them post a poll on here to vote.
Posted by: sm | March 16, 2008, 7:33 am 7:33 am
This article seems to have brought out the Neanderthal. Maybe they have been pushed off balance and made confused because they can’t vote for Bush this time, they should just write his name in, BUSH. Anybody so drastically affected by statement s from a preacher they disagree with must have very shallow intellects indeed. The theme of the blog seems to be I was going to vote for Obama until this incident occurred and now I am not going to vote for him. We are not fooled; they never intended to vote for Obama anyway.
Posted by: William Shier | March 16, 2008, 7:38 am 7:38 am
Oh let’s not forget that Rev. Wright just coincidentally RETIRED this week when the story came out about his racist remarks and HATE for America…. wow it seems as if he would do any thing for Obama. Yet, Obama so-called denounces the Reverend’s comments after they came out. However, it took Obama 20 years to come out! However, prior to this news release, the REVEREND was his spiritual advisor! Wow, talk about
uniting the country under that kind of HATE SPEECH! “GOD DAMN AMERICA” and we deserved 911!
Obama it’s best that people find out now before Democrats, Independents, Greens, and other Fools, like me, were about to be MADE A BIGGER FOOL voting for you! At least, we will have a chance of winning in November against the Republicans because GOD knows they would EAT you alive with this relationship!
If you love AMERICA and its people, vote for HILLARY. As the saying goes, “fear of the UNKNOWN” (OBAMA) is real! Better to have KNOWN than to KNOW in the future!
HILLARY for PRESIDENT!
Posted by: David Adams | March 16, 2008, 7:39 am 7:39 am
No this is an important issue. Does the country want the first African American President to be a failure. It is important to look at this mans judgment. Look at the church he brought his children to. It is even a question if you should call this place a Christian church. The new minister seems just as hateful as Mr Wright. Mr. Obama should of been giving his minister the “sermon” he gave Indiana yesterday for the past 20 years. This is an issue. Also the revelation that he had a pretty significant relationship with Mr. Rezko which the campaign released in the midst of this scandal to try to diminish it. A person gives Obama $250,000 than that individual just happens to become his Realtor. Sounds like pay to play to me. What new kind of politics has Obama been talking about!
Posted by: John in Cape May | March 16, 2008, 7:40 am 7:40 am
sm – you can find his credentials in his books and there’s also a very good article explaining all his positions in Foreign Affairs magazine. There is also an article in Atlantic magazine.You can find it on – line. On the second part of your post,I think you’ll believe what you choose to believe and I’ll believe what my instinct says is true. I’ve been around long enough that I’ve seen what happens in political campaigns when someone outside the status quo tries to run – they get destroyed. This time I don’t want to see it happen. I want to take a chance on seeing the US change course because I don’t like the way it’s heading.
Posted by: me | March 16, 2008, 7:42 am 7:42 am
Now for the next step….blame someone else. It’s not his own lies, his own long-time association with this racist minister, it’s the forces of division. Well Obama, right now you are the biggest force of divsion out there.
Posted by: Tom in MA | March 16, 2008, 7:44 am 7:44 am
One thing I can say about Hillary she does love this country and has worked hard throughout her life. She doesn’t associate herself with people as unpatriotic and hateful as this.
If you want to say Geraldine Ferraro’s comments were racist, they were not. If you actually heard or read what she said it was by no means a racist statement.
Posted by: J | March 16, 2008, 7:45 am 7:45 am
J – I think in both cases – Ferraro and Wright, the words were likely taken out of context. Think of who this serves – the news media maybe? There are ratings issues…
Posted by: me | March 16, 2008, 7:50 am 7:50 am
One of the most important issues is to find out if Obama is nothing more than a used car salesman hiding in a politicians suit. His credential are lacking. I wonder if his relationship with the Chicago radical group weather underground is more relevant now. It seems this guy will go anywhere somebody might vote for him – now he could be preying on our nations “young” and gullible!
Posted by: John in Cape May | March 16, 2008, 7:50 am 7:50 am
Demo Rules,
Quit posting untruths. Hillary HAS NOT made racist comments. McCain is a war Hero and should be respected. She has also apologized more than once if anyone was offended by anything that they took as offensive.
Posted by: J | March 16, 2008, 7:50 am 7:50 am
I am somewhat heartened by what I have read in these comments above, but am still wondering if people will now begin to truly look at who is running for our president. Can this man go to church in this place for 20 YEARS, and not know? Can he and Michelle not be influenced? It now explains her comments about finally being proud of America for the FIRST time in her adult life! What about all of the heroic things Americans have done—for all people, including African Americans? I just don’t get it!
Are the demonized white people and the incensed, (I hope incensed) black and brown people going to rethink all of the things that Hillary has done over time to better their lives? How quickly we jump on every new band wagon, before we even think it through, and know the rest of the story.
Posted by: Patsy | March 16, 2008, 7:52 am 7:52 am
Marty, maybe its a good idea to go to sleep now… attacking the person is not the same as attacking the issues. I admit i have been “lazy” doing my own reading and thus, as you put it, relying on blogs in this forum… But you still do agree that such blogs are sources of information do you not?
Posted by: chchu | March 16, 2008, 7:52 am 7:52 am
Wow, is it true, some one from Obama’s church can make million of dollars by telling or showing that Obama knew about his pastor’s believes, video showing Obama in the church on these days bring 5+ millions.
Posted by: whitedd | March 16, 2008, 7:52 am 7:52 am
The question Ferraro raises is why does Clinton refuse to disclose her income tax returns the same way Geraldine Ferraro did when she was running for vice president. When the tax returns did come out Ferraro was finished and Mondale lost the election. After the election the House Ethics Committee also officially criticized Ferraro for mishandling campaign finances. So why did Hilary Clinton appoint her in charge of campaign finance? Some kind of judgement that is.
Posted by: William Shier | March 16, 2008, 7:55 am 7:55 am
Patsy, I don’t want to pick apart and I think you can make a reasoned argument for Hillary over Obama – I really respect that but look at your statement. “..all the heroic things Americans have done – for all people including African Americans.” First, are not African Americans also American? Second, if the African Americans were the slaves doing the work then who truely did for who? Third, historically, the US has done some pretty hideous things too – think Napalm in Vietnam..helping depose Allende in Chile..propping up the Shah of Iran..Helping arm the very groups that led to Osama Bin Laden..The issue is we are a good people – but is our government representing us as the generous, good people we are or has it become the worlds bully?
Posted by: me | March 16, 2008, 8:04 am 8:04 am
I don’t think Wright’s comments can be taken out of context. It’s plain and simple what he meant.
Posted by: J | March 16, 2008, 8:06 am 8:06 am
I never did like this guy (Obama). He reminds me of a baptist preacher with all of his speech about change. This may be off the record, but is a study available as to why there seems to be a huge biase in inter-racial relationships. Seems its always black man, white woman, rarely the other way. Why is that?
Posted by: Randolph | March 16, 2008, 8:11 am 8:11 am
I am sorry Concerned Citizen, this country is in a very sorry state and we need to change direction. Death and destruction is being promoted around the world and our own economy is on the brink of disaster. Barack Obama is the man that can change this. The others have had their day, and look what a mess they have got us into. We will not be deflected by trivial concerns about skin color, we need change, and we need it now. Yes we can
Posted by: William Shier | March 16, 2008, 8:12 am 8:12 am
If Obama truly wants to unite the party – THIS is his time to step out. A month ago I would have voted for him if Hillary did not get the nomination.
I will NOT vote for him now. The Rebublicans will eat him ALIVE. They dont have to be reserved like Hillary is being now.
If he and the people want to save the next 4 years they should smarten up RIGHT NOW.
Support Hillary, Campaign for Hillary,
Contribute to Hillary – for the good of our country.
Posted by: Lee | March 16, 2008, 8:15 am 8:15 am
Do you Dems understand what you are about to do?
If Obama is able to win the nomination, it will be based on votes cast before this broke. It will be seen as illegitimate. Don’t believe me? Why are Kennedy, Kerry, Bradley, etc not rushing to his side.
Then, in a year where Dems should clean up, Wright will implicitly be part of the top of the ticket. EVERY democrat running will then have to deal with the Wright issue in some form or another. Heck, the Repubs may pick up seats in Congress.
It may not seem like a big deal to the Obama supporters. But, here in Ohio, this will not go away. Good luck winning here with that type of baggage. Commercial of McCain in a POW camp morph to Obama/Wright with G** D*** America. Obama was down here six points before this scandal broke.
Posted by: Tom Lavelle | March 16, 2008, 8:17 am 8:17 am
Come on, guys. Obama was associated with Wright for 20 years. Obama is not deaf, dumb, and blind. Obviously, he agrees with his pastor. Pair this with what his wife, Michelle, said: for the first time in her life finally being proud of America, and the evidence is strong that this pair is not WRIGHT for the White House.
Posted by: Sly Stone | March 16, 2008, 8:25 am 8:25 am
Have any of you heard anyone in the Hillary campaign talk about America the way Reverend Wright has? NO you haven’t. I find his comments about GD America very disturbing.
Posted by: J | March 16, 2008, 8:26 am 8:26 am
For the record, Ferraro never made a racist comment, she is far from it!!! All she said was “Obama is very lucky to be who he is.” This is the true whether we like it or not. If Obama was a white man running for president, people would actually laugh at his credentials and say this guy has NO EXPERIENCE. Yet, because he is an AFRICAN-AMERICAN we have to give him a pity vote based on race! This hurts African Americans because it reinforces a false idea that African Americans are LESS qualified than white people to do the job and that they usually get a job based on AFFIRMATIVE ACTION. In other words, the LEAST qualified candidate gets the job based on race.
African Americans need to ask themselves the hard question, “do we really feel that Obama represents us in a positive light?” NO, someone like Colin Powell would be ideal – a bright, respected, well-spoken, and patriotic American with years of experience who happens to be African American.
Save the African American people from an embarrassment the next 4 years, please elect Hillary and maybe she will pick Obama so that he can finally get some experience!
Hillary for president!
Posted by: David Adams | March 16, 2008, 8:27 am 8:27 am
Dont try and confuse my comments with yours (some other Lee) – Hillary is our only hope. It is OBAMA THAT SHOULD LEAVE.
He and his “people” are tearing this country up and its stupid people like you naive and ignorant that are buying it. Thank God the Superdelegate can maybe undo the mess that all the duped people got us into.
Posted by: Lee | March 16, 2008, 8:28 am 8:28 am
Hi J, I think Wright’s comments can be taken out of context. First, he is very flamboyant in his speaking style – I’m Catholic and this church might actually keep me awake..But anyway, what he says is true from an impartial perspective – the US governement/corporate interest/military complex has brought a lot of suffering back on us as citizens.9/11 can be viewed as an example – the people who died and suffered were totally innocent and undeserving of what happened – my son and my brother travel a lot and I live in fear for them.. but what has our governement been doing in other countries? Has it been involved in bringing suffering to other people? Have we failed to stand with the innocent in other countries? Do we need to change course? I don’t excuse those who perpetrated 9/11 but it seems they are not alone in their hatred of the US so there has to be something wrong in what we’re doing and how we’re presenting outselves. The reason I continue to support Obama (or one of the reasons) is because Rev. Wright aside, he has spoken of replacing military action with diplomacy and to me this is our one hope of returning to who we should be. I think, I like most Americans want to be respected in the world, want to be a positive influence and want to get along. I don’t want to fight war after war – for what?
Posted by: me | March 16, 2008, 8:29 am 8:29 am
If this was a candidate from another race that was attending a radical and racist church, then the story would be different. That candidate would be forced by the Party to step down. But the media’s and Pelosi’s darling, Obama, is still in the running.
Posted by: daryl | March 16, 2008, 8:37 am 8:37 am
Most Americans call themselves Christians, Many have gone to church for more than 20 years. Most of them proably could not recall a sermon. Look at our country, I don’t believe going to church has had very little inpact on our country. So I don’t believe the argue of 20 years going to church acounts for much.
Posted by: David Lawson | March 16, 2008, 8:39 am 8:39 am
The reason I continue to support Obama (or one of the reasons) is because Rev. Wright aside, he has spoken of replacing military action with diplomacy and to me this is our one hope of returning to who we should be. I think, I like most Americans want to be respected in the world, want to be a positive influence and want to get along. I don’t want to fight war after war – for what?
Posted by: me | Mar 16, 2008 8:29:25 AM
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HE is not going to do any such thing. You are delusional if you think he is going to put an end to this war in Iraq. He talked about bombing Pakistan, what does that tell you? Doesn’t sound very diplomatic to me.
Posted by: J | March 16, 2008, 8:39 am 8:39 am
No one care about Pelosi, she refuses to start the Bush’s impeachment process. We must highly request that the DNC force Obama to step down.
Posted by: whitedd | March 16, 2008, 8:43 am 8:43 am
We DEMOCRATS are fighting over what Barack Obama’s pastor said, and we have yet the analyze the words of John McCain’s spiritual adviser who calls Allah a demon spirit, which makes me ask whether these Conservatives are the same ones who came here seeking religious freedom. Wake up democrats and see the tactics that are being used against the party, and come back to the issue. We are going to be screwed in November because the party will be so divided that enough disaffection will tip the scale in favor of John McCain which will leave us with another 4 years of the Iraq war and more attempts to take away the little freedom that the people have left. Wake up!!!
Posted by: Sheldon | March 16, 2008, 8:43 am 8:43 am
Actually, he didn’t talk about bombing Pakistan. He talked about persuing Al-Qaeda into Pakistan if there were actionable intelligence and Pakistan failed to act. Bill Clinton did something similar during his presidency. He has talked about sitting down with enemies though so there’s hope it wouldn’t come to that. By the way, I’m not delusional…
Posted by: me | March 16, 2008, 8:44 am 8:44 am
Obama should just try to bow out gracefully. The long-term, close personal relationship with Reverend Wright is a nail in the coffin for the Democrats to claim the White House. There is no place for those sermons that have been blasphemous, hate mongering, and anti-american. It’s insulting that Obama says he wasn’t aware of the Reverend’s comments. If the media finds the “smoking gun” of Obama, his wife and/or children being at one or more of these sermons then it’s over for him as people will realize not only his very poor judgement but that he is lying about it now.
Posted by: JD, Pittsburgh, PA | March 16, 2008, 8:45 am 8:45 am
Mr. Obama thanks you for not going under the rug like some many other people do.
Posted by: t.v.ed | March 16, 2008, 8:45 am 8:45 am
Oprah was a member of Obama’s church but disassocated herself a couple of year ago. But, her loyalty to african.
Posted by: bobby | March 16, 2008, 8:48 am 8:48 am
The hated filled church must be so proud of Obama for throwing the pastor under the bus. I wonder what they will do to him when he shows his sheepish face.
Posted by: susan | March 16, 2008, 8:55 am 8:55 am
Tada….Well said.
It is very difficult to even discuss certain political issues with people when the reality is that too many individuals are full of disrespect for others.
All this discussions and arguments are pointless; here is a candidate that has some good insights and honest concerns, and guess what??? They need to bring him down cause he’s half black! AMERICAAAAAAAAA!!! Wake up!!!!
It’s not because of the stupid comments made a pastor who is clearly speaking out of frustration, that Obama automatically becomes a racist.
White people: you should be the last ones to pint fingers when it comes to race.
For those who can understand (few), Look at someone ‘s intelligence and charisma before you their color of skin.
Posted by: Francis | March 16, 2008, 8:57 am 8:57 am
It is amazing, no make that distressing, how many posters are actually defending the Reverend Wright and Obama. Face it, Obama can distance himself as much as he wants but I have to believe that Americans do not want a President who is so closely tied to someone that has these anti-American views. Talk about poor judgement. Whether he truly disagrees with the Reverend or not, I do want to take a chance on someone that has such poor judgement in selecting his friends and advisors for Administration positions.
Posted by: JD, Pittsburgh, PA | March 16, 2008, 9:01 am 9:01 am
This is the most entertaining political race in recent memory.
We have a relatively obscure candidate who his stylish and slick with virtually no leadership experience who wails against the forces of division even while continuing to add fuel to that fire. He asks us to trust in his judgment.
The only problem is that he has apparently forgotten about the dirty little, or not so little secrets that expose his bad judgement that he is trailing behind him.
He stands before us offering explanations that are just plain ridiculous, smiles and offers up more politico-babble.
He is aided in this by several news outlets who instead of doing their job are trying frantically to pretend that these things are not happening. They are giving him hope that if he presses on with his current course he will be OK. The only problem is their assumption that all of us are stupid enough to believe him.
Obama’s following has I think peaked and will in fact start to diminish in numbers as more light is shined on him and his associates. It is just a shame that when presented with such an opportunity the Democrats chose to take aim and get it so completely wrong.
This is going to get even stranger and funnier before it is over.
Posted by: phil | March 16, 2008, 9:03 am 9:03 am
I have served in the US Army and I have met people from all walks of life. Could somebody please explain to me why it is that everytime a Black person recognizes the racist past of a country that massacred the Native Americans, place Asian Americans in concentration camps, enslaved Africans, injected them with a disease to watch them die in a Tusgeegee experiment and is still blatanly performing racial profiling that the Black person is called racist for saying that America has been evil in her treatment of Blacks and other minorities? Just a question.
Posted by: Orion | March 16, 2008, 9:04 am 9:04 am
Where is the Rev. Sharpton?
So used to seeing him in the mist of controversy on racism.
Posted by: jerry | March 16, 2008, 9:09 am 9:09 am
I being a mom of a Active Duty Military Son, I fear for America, if Hillary or McCain gets in Office.They are both War-Mongers, Hillary wasnt even against the War In Iraq, till she decided to run for Office! And McCain is a old angrey man and I believe electint either one of this 2 will only land us in Future Wars.And this Country will go Broke!
Posted by: Mom First | March 16, 2008, 9:14 am 9:14 am
Sen Obama, I know what Bobby Kennedy said about MLK, what would the Rev King say about the Rev Wright’s words of peace.
by wothah
Posted by: wothah | March 16, 2008, 9:17 am 9:17 am
After the denial he and his family have listening one of the “ugly heads” of hatred for 20 years, Barack Obama is now accusing those reporting as “forces of division”.
Barack Obama apologize using his friend Oprah Winfrey apology for initially defending James Frey, author of “A Million Little Pieces.”
Oprah said: “I made a mistake and I left the impression that the truth does not matter. And I am deeply sorry about that, because that is not what I believe. To everyone who has challenged me on this issue of truth, you are absolutely right.”
Posted by: Angel | March 16, 2008, 9:18 am 9:18 am
Everyone is responsible for their own actions. If Obama said those words okay..i’d change my vote. but he cant be responsible for the comments of others. What do you think?
Posted by: Thomas | March 16, 2008, 9:30 am 9:30 am
i agree with u thoma
Posted by: chchu | March 16, 2008, 9:31 am 9:31 am
Once you sharks smell blood in the water the feeding frenzy is on. I find it amusing that the Clinton’s finally found something that gets you in the feeding frenzy! If you are that stupid and shallow nobody needs your loyalty anyway! If all you can get on Obama is a sermon he says he never listened to it’s a slow news day. As for contributions – everybody has to account for it and the Clinton’s have been convicted of it several times! Bottom line – you don’t want America to change – you just want us to stay in this whirlpool of apathy!
Posted by: white mountain | March 16, 2008, 9:33 am 9:33 am
So much amazing diverse views. Shows the power of the voice of the people. Ultimately, Johnny, hillary or Barack will have to take the seat of power whether we like it or not. We can think all we want about pastor wright or Hagee, ofcourse Hillary must be a pegan cause she has no spiritual life, the fact remains that Bush and his cohorts must go. If we all agree with that, then “Johnny With Cain” (old age) will have to go. Bill & Hillary has had a good 8 succesful year in the WH. Somebody else need to lead. America is too big for just one family to keep ruling us. Perhaps after HRC will be Chelsea, chelseas daughter or son, perhaps thier dog may even want to rule.
Remember, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. What the Clintons are headed for a the absolute side of this equation. It speak down fall. Its always good to leave when the ovation is high. Voters beware.
Posted by: alusi | March 16, 2008, 9:33 am 9:33 am
You have the Obama “red flags”…they’ve been there. Pay heed or not. We vote for integrity, character, and leadership. If he “leads” his family into the arms and voice of a radical rascist pastor, that’s a red flag. If he allows his children to be exposed to such hatred, that is a flag. If he lies about it, it’s a red flag.
Posted by: smc | March 16, 2008, 9:34 am 9:34 am
Thomas, you are not right. You are known by the company you keep! There’s truth to that saying. You disagree with someone’s views, then you have to distance yourself from that person. And by views here, I mean radical, potentially controversial views.
Posted by: DMK | March 16, 2008, 9:36 am 9:36 am
How can anyone know someone’s inner thoughts and feelings. You can’t. But you can exercise judgement based on an individual’s actions and the company he/she keeps. This race is about the best candidate to lead or nation and promote the Democratic agenda. Character and judgement is a critical element. Both candidates have come under scrutiny as to these elements. My point here is that Obama, in this case, has exercised poor judgement. I would go as far as to say very poor judgement. He is not the ultra clean candidate that many have believed he is. The voters just need to make up their own minds as to how this lack of judgement compares to Clinton’s.
Posted by: JD, Pittsburgh, PA | March 16, 2008, 9:38 am 9:38 am
I can now understand that most of the people who are posting their views here are old racist who does not want a change, who still believes we are still in the 1960 era. we the white youth are ready to let you know that the new generation are no longer with that type of views and division in this country any longer.
If you think you can not stand or accept other color to lead this country. you better commit suicied before November because we the new young white generation will team up and vote massively for him.This man belongs to us, his mum is white there is no way we can cast him out unless he commited blonders which he has not yet
I believe in what Kay has been saying
Posted by: Ian | March 16, 2008, 9:38 am 9:38 am
Statements by the Rev. are racist (by years of birth the man is an older american, like many older whites who have a tendency toward more bigotry). Maybe the younger generations of whites and blacks can break the tyranny of racial divide. I’m in my 40′s and wish for racial harmony but see a lot of hidden tolerances under the surface. I think people are people, but have skepticism when their is politically correct racism in politics such as liberal and conservative labels to hide behind. Do you think Obama really hates or is bigoted towards white america. I don’t. I am black and have skepticism because of the hidden actions of some whites who look at race and incorporate years of growth into their decisions. Hopefully the younger generations can have a more prosper healing of the hidden racial divides tha still exist as some of the older stereo-types and older race conscious American die out. Maybe we can truly get there.
Posted by: tukss | March 16, 2008, 9:45 am 9:45 am
your comments just makes me want to vomit. Who has made you judges over other people?
Posted by: jay | March 16, 2008, 9:46 am 9:46 am
I just don’t get it that some people would actually vote for this empty-suit.
He financially supported this “church” and listened to that anti-american rant for 20 years…I don’t need to hear more.
I’m a democrat, but will vote for McCain in the general if it comes to that.He’s a man who’s always been proud of his country and has served it with honor!
Posted by: Missmadeleine2002 | March 16, 2008, 9:52 am 9:52 am
Whatever your view, this story apparently ain’t going away, if the number of posts here are any indication.
The longer this stays controversial, the larger the margin of victory for Clinton in PA. I predict 20%. This won’t play well in conservative IN or KY or NC, I would bet. The Obama candidacy is over.
The party elders and insiders, especially those who so rashly endorsed an unknown, are probably wracking their brains right now to finagle a way out of this dilemma because, being old political hands, they know better than anyone that an Obama ticket is dead in the water against McCain.
Posted by: Travis | March 16, 2008, 9:54 am 9:54 am
Sen Obama is far from unknown.
His wirtings, views and legislative experience far out weighs Hillary Clinton’s.
What the Wright video’s did was give those people who would never vote for a black man anyway ammunition to support their decision.
What so many Clinton supporters seem to miss is that many of those same people will not support a woman for president either.
any of you who think Sen Clinton is “fully vetted” is delusional.
Maybe before 2000 she was but in the eight years since 2000 both Pres and Sen Clinton have been extraordinarily secretive.
And if you are follish enough to think that Fox News spewing all this Obama stuff now is not their attempt to get Obama out of the race so they can run against Sen Clinton — you should ask yourself why didn’t FOW wait until the general election to do this smear association?
The simple answer is – they know that John McCain will will against Hillary Clinton and that Barack Obama will win against John McCain –
Think about it — why did the swift boat campaign wait for the general?
Obama got everything out this week – all the Rezko stuff, all the earmarks everything –
Now ask Sen Clinton –
Posted by: alison | March 16, 2008, 10:01 am 10:01 am
Sen Obama is far from unknown.
His wirtings, views and legislative experience far out weighs Hillary Clinton’s.
What the Wright video’s did was give those people who would never vote for a black man anyway ammunition to support their decision.
What so many Clinton supporters seem to miss is that many of those same people will not support a woman for president either.
any of you who think Sen Clinton is “fully vetted” is delusional.
Maybe before 2000 she was but in the eight years since 2000 both Pres and Sen Clinton have been extraordinarily secretive.
And if you are follish enough to think that Fox News spewing all this Obama stuff now is not their attempt to get Obama out of the race so they can run against Sen Clinton — you should ask yourself why didn’t FOW wait until the general election to do this smear association?
The simple answer is – they know that John McCain will will against Hillary Clinton and that Barack Obama will win against John McCain –
Think about it — why did the swift boat campaign wait for the general?
Obama got everything out this week – all the Rezko stuff, all the earmarks everything –
Now ask Sen Clinton –
Posted by: alison | March 16, 2008, 10:01 am 10:01 am
I these are Obama’s supporter arguments and statements, I am afraid he will be disbarred or replaced in the senate. What is the support?
Posted by: Princess | March 16, 2008, 10:07 am 10:07 am
if you really think that hillary is a better choice for president you need to read the truth about hillary. you will find that she is the worst person to become president. obama is not responsible for what someone else says or thinks. that is just plain silly.
GO OBAMA
Posted by: Bev | March 16, 2008, 10:09 am 10:09 am
Greg,
As a black man, I couldn’t agree with you more ……… But why is it that folks think that black americans are some monolithic group. When most black folks look at Al Sharpton, they laugh …… get to know more black folks in a more initmate way, and you’d find that out. Lastly, no one has answered my question …… Barack Obama’s mother is white; so does anybody really think he’s a bigot?
Posted by: Ricky | March 16, 2008, 10:11 am 10:11 am
Obama should just try to bow out gracefully. The long-term, close personal relationship with Reverend Wright is a nail in the coffin for the Democrats to claim the White House. There is no place for those sermons that have been blasphemous, hate mongering, and anti-american. It’s insulting that Obama says he wasn’t aware of the Reverend’s comments. If the media finds the “smoking gun” of Obama, his wife and/or children being at one or more of these sermons then it’s over for him as people will realize not only his very poor judgement in selecting friends/advisors but that he is lying about it now.
Posted by: JD, Pittsburgh, PA | March 16, 2008, 10:13 am 10:13 am
Sen Obama, u have stated that for the past 20 years of your church going, that the Rev Wright has only spoke words of peace and joy to u and your family. That not one time did he ever speak words of hate when “U” or your “FAMILY” was their in “CHURCH” Whats your voting record in DC in showing up to vote. My question is where were “U” on these days of CHURCH GOING and SENATOR of ILLINOIS VOTING in “DC”
by wothah
Posted by: wothah | March 16, 2008, 10:14 am 10:14 am
Sorry Orion you are right, I mean!
Posted by: Ozzy | March 16, 2008, 10:16 am 10:16 am
Well Patriot, you are wrong. I am a white person with black friends.. I am a great believer in the black comm. I live in a mostley black neighborhood,and I never felt more welcome in any neighborhood then this one.And like Bill Cosby’s opinion they agree. That everyone needs to take respons,in there life.I see the struggle that young black america has.even when they get out of the gangs because of the stress of there fellow persons to get back in. I see it is really hard on young black makes esp. However if they really want to make it they can. We all have hard times. That is a fact of life. However you donot have to make hateful remarks about any race. And donot blame one race for your diffeculty. Working hard and smart will get you far.It has been proven before and will be proven again. So you view point of the older gen. is totally off. greg
Posted by: greg | March 16, 2008, 10:16 am 10:16 am
The only reason we have division is because of Obama. His association with Farrakan and his pastor who are mean, hateful divisive people, confirms the company you keep is the person you are. Also Obama’s close association with a crook named Rezko shows that Obama is not any candidate of change. The Democrats are foolish to push Obama as a candidate.
Posted by: Doreen, Buffalo Grove, IL | March 16, 2008, 10:17 am 10:17 am
Sorry Patriot. I totally miss read what you have said.. My bad…greg
Posted by: greg | March 16, 2008, 10:19 am 10:19 am
OBAMA cannot be held responsible for comments made by Wright , even if he has attended 20, 30, 40 years. Obama enemies should fight over his own actions, not someone else’s. Clinton, has so far, made a campaign based on saying : “Barack is not suitable” rather than evidencing what’s positive in her candidacy. So far, she failed the commander in chief test big time. She gets angry and bitter when she ‘s behind. She should step aside and let Barack take on Mc Cain. The result will astonish everyone in November.
Posted by: John Covi | March 16, 2008, 10:19 am 10:19 am
Mr. Wright is just the tip? Schumer and Dodd are on Fox trying to change the importance of who Barry really is? Wrights church is one of many across
America. Follow his speaking schedule, his followers are in the millions? They are militant, organized, financed. When Wright defends the Hamas terroist, this is Obamas real motive and Wrights
sermons are just a sliver of their true agenda?
Frank Marshal Davis
was in Kanas, Hawaii and Chicago? Follow Obama and
the DSA?. Dingel, Lugar, Hagel, Schumer, Dodd,
Emmanuel, Soros money, the list is huge.Mr. Wrights
terror ties are endless, You dont stay
in a church you dont agree with, I lead groups on a
regular basis, people that dont agree leave quick.
Im surprized Juan told the truth? Mr. Wright was on
Obamas family council until his views were made
public, this is Obamas Hope, Change?
Posted by: moonw15 | March 16, 2008, 10:19 am 10:19 am
I’m getting a little bit tired of the “woe is me” mentality of some people. The wonderful thing about America is that anybody can determine their dream and then live it so long as they work for what they want. It’s hard to blame your lot in life on someone else. It’s easy to get over it, and make the life you want. Noone can divide me from my fellow Americans unless I let them.
Posted by: Kitty | March 16, 2008, 10:20 am 10:20 am
I mean Hillary should bow out!
Posted by: JD, Pittsburgh, PA | March 16, 2008, 10:23 am 10:23 am
Obama… Obama… Obama… is he the ONLY candidate left in this presidential race??? He sure is getting a LOT of FREE media exposure. How come we haven’t heard Hillary clamoring for EQUAL time??? Com’on Hillary, turn UP the heat on this LIGHTWEIGHT and demand your equal time! I want to see more democratic carnage. And as the democrats annihilate each other, John McKennedy is preparing his TRANSITION team.
Posted by: Doug | March 16, 2008, 10:25 am 10:25 am
Hillary and McCain will Bankrupt this Country!
Posted by: Ozzy | March 16, 2008, 10:25 am 10:25 am
Obama has an add going in PA for Republicans to sign up Democratic and vote for him one day!!! My take on that:
By Obama asking non-dems to vote Dem for a day, truly proves his inability to catch the true party’s vote. He knows he won’t win over the dems, so he goes after the non-dems.
Here is his TRUE audacity of hope:
I hope if I can steal more votes from non-dems, it will give me the lead in delegates and then I can beat Hillary.
I hope that the Rezko story will stay underwraps until after I steal the nomination of Hillary
I hope the tapes don’t surface from UCC (my church and my spirtual advisor) until after I beat Hillary
I hope that once I win the nomination, all those other folks will vote dem to unite the party
I hope that we don’t run out of kool-aid before PA…
Posted by: Dave | March 16, 2008, 10:26 am 10:26 am
Heard on Fox News that many people are calling Fox News and MaxMedia with videos of Obama in the church with the Preacher clapping, cheering and yelling.
He must’ve made alot of people mad as they are selling them to media!!! The truth always comes out.
Posted by: Fae | March 16, 2008, 10:29 am 10:29 am
Change, Change, Change, Change – Yeah right! Same ole, same ole.
Just keep saying “change” and the doltish public masses will follow.
Go Hillary! Obama should now bow out gracefully. Definition of an oxymoron – being anti-American and president of the United States of America!
Posted by: Ozzy | March 16, 2008, 10:30 am 10:30 am
On the other hand Hillary Praised McCain who is a Republican, and she did this on National T.V. and should be BOOTED from the Democratic Party
Posted by: Dave | March 16, 2008, 10:30 am 10:30 am
If IT walks like a DUCK………….
Posted by: Ask Me How I Really Feel | March 16, 2008, 10:32 am 10:32 am
Sen McCain is in Iraq visting our HEROES “GOD BLESS AMERICA” and McCain Ex-Sen obama and the Rev wright
by wothah
Posted by: wothah | March 16, 2008, 10:32 am 10:32 am
Hillary shouldnt be aloud to become President.
Posted by: wothah | March 16, 2008, 10:35 am 10:35 am
You can write all the slush about Obama. He’s captured the public mood, attention and he represents the hope that’s been missing since I was born. Sorry, he’s unstoppable now.
Posted by: Kingsley Lington | March 16, 2008, 10:36 am 10:36 am
TO OBAMA SUPPORTERS:
If you put the pieces together – his mother’s anti-American stance, his wife’s “never been proud of this country” statement, His preacher’s anti-American rhetoric, His father’s choice of Africa over America and so on – a pattern forms of someone being Anti-American.
HOW CAN WE ELECT A PRESIDENT OF THIS COUNTRY WHO IS AGAINST THIS COUNTRY?
Can ANYONE answer that question??
Posted by: ozzy | March 16, 2008, 10:36 am 10:36 am
I am from Pa. And I lived here all my life. And I can tell you one thing come April 22 this will be on voters mind. I donot think America will forget about this anytime soon. I have always been for Hillary,however If Obama thinks he lost alot of white votes before he has’nt seen anything yet.. I believe that he might even lose some of the black vote. So Obama can forget Pa. to many working class in Pa. both from black and from white voters…greg b.
Posted by: greg | March 16, 2008, 10:36 am 10:36 am
As a foreigner it is very difficult to understand your voting procedure!
Pelosi says that it would be “harmful” to Democrats if superdelegates were to give the party’s presidential nomination to a candidate who is trailing in the delegates awarded in primaries and caucuses.
When she says so I guess she is including Michigan and Florida? If she does not – suppose that the votes from Michigan and Florida will be excluded but of decisive importance for the result of the election if they would have been counted. Then it must be necessary to let the superdelegates make the choice? Otherwise – what kind of democracy would that be? I think it would be harmful to the idea of DEMOCRACY and also to the DEMOCRATICAL PARTY – greater risk for division?
From CNN: Politcal Ticker 04:55 PM ET
Statement by Hillary Clinton: “The rules were changed for a lot of things. We saw New Hampshire and South Carolina change their dates, no penalties. That was in violation of the rules. So the rules have been kind of difficult for people to really understand and follow.” Is this TRUE or NOT TRUE?
Posted by: Richard | March 16, 2008, 10:40 am 10:40 am
Obama… Obama… Obama… is he the ONLY candidate left in this presidential race??? He sure is getting a LOT of FREE media exposure. How come we haven’t heard Hillary clamoring for EQUAL time??? Com’on Hillary, turn UP the heat on this LIGHTWEIGHT and demand your equal time! I want to see more democratic carnage. And as the democrats annihilate each other, John McKennedy is preparing his TRANSITION team.
Posted by: Doug | March 16, 2008, 10:46 am 10:46 am
Who ever posted that Hillary shouldn’t be president by wothah, u are right, but post your own words, u are acting like Sen obama by using somebody elses life or words for there own
by wothah
Posted by: wothah | March 16, 2008, 10:47 am 10:47 am
I am an African American of bi racial heritage, however, the only portion most Americans have treated me like was the black portion. This despite the fact my eyes are blue.
I laugh when people are shocked that someone mentioned America is a racist country. I laugh when they say “that was two hundred years ago and I had nothing to do with it” Yet, blacks are still being discriminated against in the job markets and in corporate leadership positions. What would many white people response be if their daughter brought home a black man as the person she is in love with and wants children by him. They would start talking about how tough of time the children would have and how they are not racist, they are just concern about the children. Well if America is not racist, then why are you concerned about the potential children. Get real and get a grip.
Posted by: Roderick - Texas | March 16, 2008, 10:49 am 10:49 am
Comment: Okay, let’s see where things stand. So far:
1. We’re not to judge Obama by his numerous non-votes
2. We’re not to judge Obama by his lack of experience
3. We’re not to judge Obama by his wife’s racist and elitist remarks
4. We’re not to judge Obama by his praise and admiration for Farrakhan
5. We’re not to judge Obama by his friends of long-standing {Rezko, Wright, et. al]
In fact, Mr. Obama asks us not to take any of these things into consideration … which leaves what? He said we should believe his speeches [borrowed rhetoric though they are] and ignore everything else. So basically, we should believe him because he said so…
I don’t think so.
Posted by: Fae | March 16, 2008, 10:52 am 10:52 am
No wonder Senator Obama, doesn’t reach latinos. He is so disefranchised, so divorced and so isolated with the latino community. If we don’t count now, what would be of us later on? He would crush latinos with hate. It is so regretful the demagogue of Senator Obama. A typical opportunist and typical politician. Change?
Posted by: Juan Rodriguez | March 16, 2008, 10:58 am 10:58 am
BK, You are right about one thing. It is ignorance that Obama thinks i believe that he went to a church for 20yrs. and says that he never heard his pastor say anything negative about America. The person sick here is the pastor that made those comments. And your right I always been for Hillary. However my respected for Obama has lessoned. And how am I a racist. If a white person made comments about the black comm. like this reverent made about us whites.All black America would be up in arms. However you don’t here anything from Al Sharpton. Jesse Jackson, or any other famous black leaders. Why are’nt they denouncing his comments and demanding a pulbic apology. So who really is the racist here. I am tired of people accusing me of being a racist. When i speak my mind on a black issues or white issues… I am not a racist. And racisem goes both ways.. I have a right to my opinion. And I do have black friends, however there are points that both sides can make without being called a racist. Having said that,the worst racesem that there is,is what that minster said about whites ,and our government, that our gov is responable for aids. just to get rid of black america. Now that my friend is sick..greg
Posted by: greg | March 16, 2008, 10:59 am 10:59 am
I’m disturbed by the racist tone of many of the comments here. It sounds like a bunch of rednecks who are outraged that Wright had the nerve to call America racist and sinful. I guess the truth hurts. But this is hardly outside the mainstream of black churches. MLK expressed a similar statement that God would have said we are too arrogant:
“Don’t let anybody make you think God chose America as his divine messianic force to be a sort of policeman of the whole
world. God has a way of standing before the nations with justice and it seems I can hear God saying to America “you are too
arrogant, and if you don’t change your ways, I will rise up and break the backbone of your power, and I will place it in the
hands of a nation that doesn’t even know my name. Be still and know that I’m God. Men will beat their swords into
plowshafts and their spears into pruning hooks, and nations shall not rise up against nations, neither shall they study war
anymore.” I don’t know about you, I ain’t going to study war anymore.”
Martin Luther King Jr.
Address to the Southern Christian Leadership Conference (1967-08-16)
Posted by: Kate | March 16, 2008, 11:09 am 11:09 am
smc: I had hope for Obama to be a VP. My dream has vanished.
Clinton-Edwards?
Posted by: Edward | March 16, 2008, 11:18 am 11:18 am
It’s probably been said before but it’s hard to accept that Obama knew this man for 20 years and never heard this hate-filled speach? Everyone, black or white, should take a long look at this particular issue and think about whether or not Obama belongs in the White House – the pilot house of our country. In my book, no way!
Posted by: johnb56 | March 16, 2008, 11:31 am 11:31 am
I have never had the disappointment by a candidate and fooled by one as Obama. It is not possible after 20 years of associating with Wright, that Obama did not know of the venom and hate from this person’s mouth. Unless Obama wore ear plugs during the sermons!Obviously Obama was very cocky, and believed that a media station would not provide information regarding the pastor. Obama contributed to this church for 20 years, how nice of him.
Was this the C H A N G E, that Obama is referring, too?
Posted by: Mimi | March 16, 2008, 11:34 am 11:34 am
This should not be a trivial issue. Patriotism, love and pride of our land is a pre-requisite for even being being a citizen, let alone President.
As a passionate Democrat ,yet a more patriotic American, I need to be really and fully reassured on this if Obama is the nominee for me to vote for him in the general election. The Democrats in the states that still have the primary and Super-Dels should demand these answers and stop him being the nominee if the answers are not forthcoming
Posted by: American Voter | March 16, 2008, 11:39 am 11:39 am
Just watch the congregation with every inflammatory statement made by pastor Wright they would all jump to their feet and applaud. Tell me in 20 years Obama never saw this.Come on.
Posted by: roncraw | March 16, 2008, 11:47 am 11:47 am
Wow, another great question to ponder “Can ANYONE answer”….that is the foundation of this entire conversation.
Posted by: smc | March 16, 2008, 11:48 am 11:48 am
Obama is not only a duplicator who uses other peoples words and steals other peoples ideas (Hillary’s Universal Healthcare Plan) and tries to make them his own, but he has now shown that he is untrustworthy. Obama says he was not aware of some of his pastor’s comments which only a fool would believe. Obama has known all of this time about his pastor’s views on Racism & Anti-American sentiments. I believe that he not only knew about Rev. Wright, but perpetrated the biggest sham when he turned around and played the race card against the Clinton campaign. He used race to win the black vote, and it was easy because most black people were looking for a reason to switch to Obama, and now they had one. Some Black American’s feel that there was nothing wrong with what Rev. Wright said, and at the same time they have the audacity to have a problem with what Bill Clinton and Geraldine Ferrarow said. I will admit that there have been mistakes made on both sides, but Mr. Obama the most hypocritical one here because he is the one who gives speeches on unity while attending a separatist church for the past 20 years. It all makes sense to me now why Obama would not were the American Flag Pin and why Michelle Obama says that she was not proud of America. They learned this from Rev. Wright.
Posted by: Jane | March 16, 2008, 11:52 am 11:52 am
This should not be a trivial issue. Patriotism, love and pride of our land is a pre-requisite for even being being a citizen, let alone President.
As a passionate Democrat ,yet a more patriotic American, I need to be really and fully reassured on this if Obama is the nominee for me to vote for him in the general election. The Democrats in the states that still have the primary and Super-Dels should demand these answers and stop him being the nominee if the answers are not forthcoming
Posted by: American Voter | March 16, 2008, 11:54 am 11:54 am
So let Obama answer in black and white LOL how he feels about the Rev. Wright’s words his generous donations each year funded. Let Obama’s wife talk about how she loves America, and all the amazing positives that have moved forward. These are pre civil war thoughts…these people scare me. I’m thinking Clinton would want Edwards now?
Posted by: smc | March 16, 2008, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm
Hello… is anybody listening to this hypocrit…. he.s denouncing the forces of division… how about starting with the biggest perpetrator of all, his pastor for 20 years rev wright…..racist, hater, propogandist… is this anything different than the brainwashing Al Quaida does?
Posted by: nick schmanek | March 16, 2008, 12:01 pm 12:01 pm
People..
There is no point to this heresy.
Obama has the delegates and cannot be mathematically stopped.
Stop wasting your time..
And start calling him who he is.
Mr. President Obama.
Posted by: A New Day | March 16, 2008, 12:17 pm 12:17 pm
As an AA woman with a lot of white GOP & Dem friends, I’ll tell you what I told them.
Any of you outraged at Obama’s minister know darn well that we all have someone we love in our lives with racist views of what we are. Do we discard them because of this one aspect in their general sum parts – NO!
My GOP Mormon friend just told me after 10 yrs of true friendship that blacks can’t get to a large part of the highest level of Heaven because on earth they can’t reach a certain post within the Mormon church due to their rules.
She sees nothing wrong with this Mormon rule, nor that blacks could hold a position period in the church until ’77 or ’78.
I first cried racist, but did I discard her? No. Because on further thinking I realized she like many euros here feel its okay for these type of views, but be darn others don’t agree.
Whites see themselves as the America and their ideals ONLY are American.
If anyone opposes these ideals then those people are un-American after all we’ve done for “the others.”
Examine what you gave as a descendent of Euro descent, and maybe, just maybe you can see why there other American ideals that are not your own.
Really give thought to who you love/friends with and ask yourself why you care about these people. Do you oppose their racial views?
If you do then Obama’s connection is no different than your own. You friends and loved ones are MORE than this one aspect.
P.S. Obama’s view of the world/America is what he speaks. He’s a birth of unity, so he can’t discard his white family or African family. And don’t you ever think that his white/black side disowned him from his families side!
So, don’t think he holds the same views of Rev. Wright/white person. His blood and experiences won’t allow it mentally or biologically!
I ask everyone of you that are outraged if you were of 2 bloods what would your blood cry out for? As I see it nothing but Unity with crazy bloodlines of 1 descent yellin’ crazy stuff against the other bloodline
BTW – Barack Obama is being called “trash” by a black minister I think in NY (You Tube) because his mother was white. Rev. Wright called him a black man on the video disregarding his white mother.
So which one of these 2 people are correct? Again – imagine why he cries out for unity!
Posted by: carbar | March 16, 2008, 12:33 pm 12:33 pm
OK Ozzy, there is plenty about America that is positive. I am just curious as to why everyone is jumping down Michelle Obama’s throat for saying that she can now say that she is proud of America. Is this a land that one is free to pursue his own happiness? Ideologically, yes. Is this a country in which one can become whatever they want to? Ideologically, yes. Is this county better to live in when it comes to opportunity to succeed in your endeavors? Ideologically, yes. The ideals of this country far exceed that of any other that I know of. I was in the US Army and I travelled the world. My perspective on other countries isn’t based on a book or someone else’s word of mouth. It is based on what I have seen. The thing that gets to me is that there is a dark history of the good ole’ US of A. There is still a dark side of the good ole’ US of A. Based solely on principles of right and wrong, no American citizen can say that America is a country to be proud of based on the way that she has treated her citizens of a African descent. You can be proud of America for her ideology. But, like MLK said, “It is time that this country rise up and live out the true meaning of it’s creed.” The reason that Affirmative Action became necessary in the US is because the racial disparity is real. It is not an immaginary situation. The Rev Wright was not only talking about things that happened hundreds of years ago. He spoke about things that are very current. The fact remains, that America has done and continues to do things like allow racial profiling of Blacks and other non white races and these types of things serve to continue to cause anger in people of color. It continues to show them and the rest of the world that America still allows the majority of its citizens free and open season for oppressing it’s minority of citizens. These are things that cause anger. Yet, you people want us of African descent to stand and say that we are proud of America. I can say that I am proud to be from a country that says that all men are created equal. However, I am ashamed of the way the country has failed to live out the words that they preach.
Posted by: Orion | March 16, 2008, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm
Obama looks more like Bush every day. Ignor his Pastor, ignor his friend Rezko, the prob is the divisiveness of the people that expose Obama`s mistakes!
Posted by: luke | March 16, 2008, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm
Tom Davie, right on! You got it right. The liberals are going to ruin it for the rest of us. How sad.
Posted by: An opinion | March 16, 2008, 12:54 pm 12:54 pm
I don;t know how anyone whose message is focused on unity and positivity can choose a spiritual advisor of 20 years who expresses so much anti-american and racist sentiment.
And his church seems to promote a separatist message which is couunter to his pan-racial message.
So many contradictions!
And Obama has gotten to think we are pretty dumb, if he thinks that we believe that he never knew that his pastor had such thoughts. Seriously???
Posted by: MAB | March 16, 2008, 12:59 pm 12:59 pm
mrlc, exactly what is wrong with the 10 point program that the church lives by. It seems that the only problem you have is that the church teaches it’s congregation to be proud of who they are. If you will look at what America has been teaching Black people for more than 400 years, they want us to believe that we are lower than dirt. Would you have us believe that latter? Oh…my bad. Some people don’t like it when we throw the truth about how America continues to treat African people in the discussion.
Posted by: Orion | March 16, 2008, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm
Orion, Orion, Orion,
You my dear are brainwashed by the looney hard left. Nothing I can say or write here will change that.
I hope one day you will break the bondage not that of your ancestors but from yourself.
Ideologically NOT – Give me a break!
IN REALITY across the street from me in my subdivision is a black doctor, at the end of the block is a black lawyer. That’s just for starters. This didn’t happen in a vacuum, but with positive thinking and action and not the bogatry of negative thinking.
Peace
Posted by: Ozzy | March 16, 2008, 1:03 pm 1:03 pm
The Reverend Wright has performed a great service for American voters who will participate in the November presidential election.
Regardless of how Barak Obama tries to spin the vulgarity and hate, Wright was Obama’s spiritual advisor and someone he considers as an “old uncle.”
As exit polls indicate, black voters are voting for Obama at an average of about 9 to 1.
Perhaps non-black voters should consider the realistic implications of the obvious racial bias and return the favor.
Posted by: Ken | March 16, 2008, 1:05 pm 1:05 pm
Well, I once visited a friend’s church. Her minister was about to retire. He was about as far out as Obama’s about-to-retire minister. Only my friend’s minster was all worked up over “non christians thinking they would go to heaven.” He ticked off every known religious group I had ever or will ever hear of. He discussed the fires of hell. On and one. Jonathan Edwards reborn.
I think about-to-retire minsters think they better get their message across before they leave the pulpit. They MUST be heard or pass on as someone insignificant. So the go totally overboard and a bit nutty. My friend was and still is a good friend. She was a teenager then, an adult now. She believed it mostly then, not at all now.
The minister was talking crazy nonsense. The people who clapped have had time to rethink. They may have had very bitter and painful racial encounters, watched their parents struggle in a then segregated world.
That is not our world today. Barack Obama understands that. He is not about anything that is based on division, hatred, or fear.
I’m sorry the minister was. But that is certainly not what Barck Obama is about. Obama’s mantra: respect, empower, include.
Posted by: dusty | March 16, 2008, 1:05 pm 1:05 pm
Obama excels at dispencing Kool Aid.
Posted by: roncraw | March 16, 2008, 1:06 pm 1:06 pm
After months of watching
CNN, Fox News, Headline News, and MSNBC, among others,
to keep up with the Presidential Campaign.
The many times and the way I have seen the 3:00 am call, which was put out in Texas, and now the Pastor Dr. Wright. Over, and over, and………
I find it hard to watch any of you guys any more, because watching you is like watching an African American being lynched by the media, and being able to do nothing about it.
You are only proving Rev. Wright’s claims.
Posted by: Gilbertto Johnson | March 16, 2008, 1:09 pm 1:09 pm
I like most americans are appalled by the words of Obama’s pastor. I was never a Obama supporter and those anit-American comments just my solidifies my choice in November if Obama get the nomination. “McCain”
Posted by: decided | March 16, 2008, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm
Apparently Reverend Wright was a pastor for 20 years; that means he has given at least 1000 sermons in his career… and yet we are judging his whole record by short snippets from two, perhaps three fiery sermons. I do not find it unreasonable to assume that these speeches were not the regular fare at the church every Sunday. Additionally, one of the things that we see did not see at the end of one of these frequently run clips was Wright’s statement that Jesus called him to love his enemies. I assume that his sermon then went on to discuss his parishioners’ relationship with God and Jesus.
While I am apalled by yells from the pulpit to damn America, I understand that it is difficult to separate this sort of rhetoric from what has been described a “the black experience” in America.I do not think it cannot be denied that many black Americans feel betrayed by the promise of America (while of course there are many others who feel that they have lived America’s promise).
We certainly cannot deny that America’s past has had some tragic chapters for black Americans. And as an older African-American man, Wright is directly a product of America’s segregated past, and her often angry and violent civil rights struggle. I understand Wright’s context but cannot support his words.
And I believe that is also Obama’s position. I believe Obama when, as a product of the post-civil rights era, and as a biracial person, he says that his vison of America is one of a country that moves beyond division and racial and political separation to address the serious challenges that we face, such as an economy in crisis, a banking sector in trouble, spiralling health care costs, failing educational systems, rising unemployment, a war that still remains to be won and plummeting consumer confidence.
These serous issues demand that we move beyond racial balkanization and partisanship to address the problems that face ALL Americans!
Posted by: Sally | March 16, 2008, 1:15 pm 1:15 pm
Ignorance is what it is… And I can see it is within us all. Currently, it shows itself in many of the comments I read with this article. Many of your forefathter live so deeply in your soul that your racism is clearly omni present. I tie you to your parent’s parent’s parent’s like you tie Obama to Wright’s comment. GOD is LOVE, apparently you don’t know GOD and the DEVIL has won your souls.
Posted by: gwilsing | March 16, 2008, 1:21 pm 1:21 pm
Obama supporters are wrong claiming this is a non-issue created by the media in a presidential campaign, and it is only because Barack Obama is African-American.
Obama supporters should check the media uproar prompted by the visit of Presidential candidate George W. Bush in 2000 to Bob Jones University which was famous for policies such as no allowing interracial dating which was dropped after the media uproar.
Barack Obama should stop his denial and do the same George W. Bush did in 2000 after the media uproar prompted by his visit to Bob Jones University. Excerpt: “Bush issued a formal letter of apology to Cardinal John O’Connor of New York for failing to denounce Bob Jones University’s history of anti-Catholic statements. At a news conference following the letter’s release, Bush said, “I make no excuses. I had an opportunity and I missed it. I regret that….I wish I had gotten up then and seized the moment to set a tone, a tone that I had set in Texas, a positive and inclusive tone.”
After the denial that he and his family have listened one of the “ugly heads” of hatred for 20 years, Barack Obama is now accusing those reporting as “forces of division”.
Barack Obama should apologize accepting responsibility to have knowledge of his preacher ideas. Obama should use his friend Oprah Winfrey apology for initially defending James Frey, author of “A Million Little Pieces.”
Oprah said: “I made a mistake and I left the impression that the truth does not matter. And I am deeply sorry about that, because that is not what I believe. To everyone who has challenged me on this issue of truth, you are absolutely right.”
Posted by: Angel | March 16, 2008, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm
On the Obama pastor issue, we have to remember, that just like the recent Ex-governor of NYC, who came in under the flag of “CHANGE”, he did just that, he changed into his core beliefs. We don’t know who Obama is, he doesn’t like using is middle name now and his pastor, for over 20 years, I don’t understand how you can know someone for over 20 years, he is the pastor that married that married them, he baptized their children’s and he doesn’t know him? I think Obama is not telling the truth and yes words do matter. This pastor has said things that amount to the overthrow of the USA government; Obama wife said she wasn’t proud of the USA until now and Obama doesn’t like to wear the flag or salute it during ceremonies. We didn’t connect the dots before 9/11, should we at least try to connect them now before we get someone in the White House whom core beliefs we don’t even know.
One last point, I am a government worker with a Top Secret clearance, if I had a pastor that I had been listening too for over 20 years as a friend, my wife didn’t feel there was anything to be proud about the USA until recently and I wasn’t proud to wear the flag pin or salute the flag, I can guarantee you I would not get the clearance, nor would I get the job, but are we now willing to give this very sensitive job to someone we really don’t know? It is not better to be with the devil you know, then the one you don’t?
Posted by: Robert G. | March 16, 2008, 1:56 pm 1:56 pm
Obama IS the force of division. His supporters are the biggest bunch of racists I have ever seen in my entire lifetime. I’m talking about the black voters ignorant to any issues other than his skin color.
To even suggest it is Hillary and her supporters that are a force of division is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Obama is the one with the ignorant supporters. Obama is the one with the church of hate. Obama is the one who doesn’t wear the flag. Obama is the one who has ties to muslims. Obama is the one who’s stepdad is a wahibist muslim, equal to Osama. Obama is the one who’s wife hates America. Obama is the one who’s mother hates religion. Obama is the one who blindly leads the dumb with a simple word of change.
I will never vote for Obama. Hillary or bust. Oh and before you obamamites even try to be clever, you have done this to yourselves so go and say it to a mirror.
Posted by: Kim From La | March 16, 2008, 2:04 pm 2:04 pm
You’ve got to nod your head toward Hillary in all of this for offering “Flimflama” a “share of the championship”as little Josh Waitzkin did with his opponent in the movie “Looking for Bobby Fisher” before she pulled out her gleaming dagger.”Queen Athaliah” most certainly knew all about this info and more in the”Flimflammer’s” file but did not want to be “forced” to use it unless the “uppity Barak” got out of her “plantational” control(I speak with respect to the socialist scheme).Now with this campaign taking on a “The Spook Who Sat by the Door”scenario,the queen bee can hold back none of her drone attacks and venom.The plan for 16 years of brutal,radical, tranformative socialism was always subserviant to her own dominatrix charactered ego and will.
Posted by: Alex | March 16, 2008, 2:07 pm 2:07 pm
For those people who believe Obama never knew of Rev. Wright’s hate filled sermons I refer you to a news publication dated in August 2007.
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2007/8/8/194812.shtml?s=lh
It was a well know fact that Wright was a hateful pastor. So why has it taken Obama so long to come out and denounce Wright – because Obama could no longer hide it from the mainstream media.
Posted by: Bill | March 16, 2008, 2:07 pm 2:07 pm
Brad,
THank you for the list! I am gonna use it myself!!
Posted by: DMK | March 16, 2008, 2:11 pm 2:11 pm
I am trying not to picture Barack Obama inviting his pastor, Wright, to a White House dinner. But, mark my words, if this man is elected, it is going to happen. “The Forces of Division”? Start looking in your own backyard Barack; before pathetically blaming the media and your opponent. Shame on you Barack Obama, for lying to America already.
Posted by: PhillyPaul | March 16, 2008, 2:15 pm 2:15 pm
Apparently my first post was not controversial enough so soeone wrote over it. My take on Obama and his association with Pastor Wright is that he displayed poor judgement by raising his children in a hateful atmosphere. I applaud the fact that Obama professes to be a Christian. My true disagreement with Obama as president has to do with his very liberal political views. He leans to socilaism and that means we can own what we want but the government controls it. Pray that we get it right! We are at a crossroad for our country and the wrong decision could well mean the end of America as we know it.
Posted by: john | March 16, 2008, 2:27 pm 2:27 pm
Senator Obama said he was different from other politicians. He said he wanted “transparency” in government. He said words matter. He initially said Tony Rezko was someone associated with a church group for which he had done about 6 hours work. Then he said Tony Rezko was a fund raiser who had raised about $150000 for Obama’s previous campaigns, and the Obama campaign was giving it to charity. Then Obama admitted he went into a real estate deal with Mrs Rezko, a deal advantageous to Senator Obama. Even though Rezko was under investigation. Called it “boneheaded”. Now admits Rezko has raised a much larger amount that previously stated. Approx. $250000. Brought this info out at the same time the info on his 20 year relationship with the Rev J Wright came to light. Is this transparency? Is this good judgement? Is this honesty? Or is this just hypocrisy? Sorry, Senator, your explanations just do not ring true! I cannot support someone who sets himself up as being better than everyone else, but refuses to accept responsibility for his actions. Is this really the man we want as our President? Haven’t we had that the last 7+ years? Time for change indeed! I am voting for Hillary. If she doesn’t get the nomination, I will vote for Nader!
Posted by: Michiel W | March 16, 2008, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm
listen all of you… all you need to pray for a president that will restore the glory of american not here talking about race…. im a black and i am really disapointed with what the black and white Americans are doing about RACE ITS NOT ALL ABOUT RACE IT DOES NOT MATTER IF ITS BLACK OR WHITE THAT RULES AMERICA ALL AMERICAN NEED IS TOTAL CHANGE AND RESTORE
Posted by: emy | March 16, 2008, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm
The Hillary desperate machine is really out today. Hillary lied about her part in the S Chip statute. She lied about her “dangerous situation” in Bosnia. We still don’t know all the information about the Vince Foster matter, Whitewater, or her tax returns for the last 5 years!!
Where are the tax returns for 2000-2006. We shouldn’t have to wait for them. She lacks integrity. Do you really want Bill back in the white house to chase interns and make backroom illegal/unethical deals with the Chinese and others?
I rather have a man who is ministered by a former marine who served his country and speaks the truth about this country, than a lying scandelous woman and her husband.
Posted by: Ann C | March 16, 2008, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm
Does this mean that my several year old prediction of “The Mandingo” ticket is in jeopardy?Or may we yet see madame Clinton hand “the golden lantern” to “Flimflammer” and tell him he can have a place on the back of her bus and then a position holding that lantern on the White House lawn?
Posted by: Alex | March 16, 2008, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm
I am a 44 yr old, white, educated, single mother, small business owner in Colorado.
I am going to tell the truth here. The reason I was outraged by Geraldine Ferraro’s statements was because in my opinion they were deliberate and she repeated them to create the effect of division. If she was just expressing her frustrations to me personally that she believed that Senator Obama was beating her candidate because he was black, I would have found that ridiculous but could understand her frustration.
While I don’t think his remarks were intelligent or necessarily helpful to te people he serves… I heard him speaking to the reality that a majority of black men end up in prison in our country. AND I think it is important for the country to look at why this is true and to do something about it. Facts are facts but as long as this issue isn’t causing pain for us personally, we don’t seem to care or have the will to do anything about it. So in this church are sitting people who all probably know a loved one in jail… a young man with potential who is now living in prison… and not just a few but probably everyone in that church… so while Rev. Wright doen’st help them with his comments my opinion is that he was speaking to the deep pain they could feel as a community. I was fortunate to have the experience of living in Gulfport Mississippi when I was ten and my father was stationed there. I went to a school that had a population of 98% black students. They seemed to hate me because they expected me to hate them. They were used to being hated by the white people that they knew. I learned how to navigate life without hating them even though they often wanted to hurt me because of their pain. There were a few who noticed that I didn’t hate them and they were more neutral toward me. But this experience taught me about the pain of racism. It is a big and very real issue for our country. We may need to be united more than ever with the challenges we face.
I wrote to Senator Obama and asked him to run for president because the first time I saw him and heard him speak I knew he could bring more unity than division. I could see that he is brilliant and has ‘innate’ leadership qualities on a grand scale and his race was not on my mind. I think it is a wonderful plus that he has white mother and a black father because there is potential here to bring more attention to the change needed and to unify our country.
I do not expect any person or politician to be perfect but I DO STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT SENATOR OBAMA WILL TRY TO LIVE UP TO HIS IDEALS PERSONALLY AND PUBLICALLY. I am looking forward to finishing this primary season, declaring our nominee (from a fair process and not letting it be stolen) and unifying to win the presidency in November and to having a new kind of president in the White House that will be a breath of fresh air for our country and its people.
OBAMA/EDWARDS ’08
Posted by: lb | March 16, 2008, 2:42 pm 2:42 pm
When Obama refused to wear a flag or pledge aligence to our flag I was troubled. When Ms. Obama said she was never proud of the United States I was shocked by the thought that we could elect a president who’s wife was not proud to be an American. Now we find that a close friend and mentor curses America.
While I will defend the right of any citizen to say whatever they want, I will defend my right to withhold a vote for a man who surrounds himself with people who do not love our country. If Senator Obama, his family and friends hate American we would be foolish to elect him to lead a nation he, his family and friends apparently hate. Why don’t we get Osama to be his running mate? Two peas on a pod.
Posted by: jijalagi | March 16, 2008, 2:43 pm 2:43 pm
Hmmmm…let’s see.
Someone withholding tax returns for 5 years versus the venomous racists speech of someones long time pastor and confidiant. Yes I can really see how the tax return thingy would be so much more important..
Posted by: sm | March 16, 2008, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm
Brad — thanks for posting some specifics. Rev. Wright may be a provocative preacher but he’s at least telling the truth. People who tell the truth in this country are branded as crazy. Look at our national response to Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel. Americans prefer a candidate that does not challenge their sugar coated perceptions of reality. As a Christian, Wright is in line with the teachings of Jesus to preach to these things. His delivery, i’m sure, does scare a lot of people. Rev. Wright is a threat for sure… he tells the truth.
Posted by: Nan | March 16, 2008, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm
ALL WE PRAY IF FOR THE PEOPLE OF AMERICA TO CHOSE A PRESIDENT THAT KNOWS THEIR NEED S,A PRESIDENT THAT CAN BRING BACK THE PRIDE OF AMERICA A PRESIDENT THAT WILL BRING PEACE TO THE WORLD,A PRESIDENT THAT WILL LEAD THE GREAT AMERICANS TO THE TO OF THE NEW GENERATION LEADERSHIP THIS GENERATION IS NOT ALL GENERATION WHICH WAS A GENERATION OF WAR THIS ITS A GENERATION OF BRAIN NOT A GENERATION OF WEAPON
Posted by: EMY | March 16, 2008, 2:47 pm 2:47 pm
The best thing “No”Bama could do at this point would be to step down. This divide is making a joke of the Democratic party. McCain will be voted the next president by a large margin.
Posted by: sm | March 16, 2008, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm
Of course Obama can win the general election.
Hillary however will lose a general election. If she gets the nod we will be hearing all about Peter Paul. Her campaign will be mired in that scandal. She will inspire Republicans to donate RECORD AMOUNTS OF MONEY to McCain. We will see the nastiest campaign in the history of American politics.
America will become even more divided than it is now.
Wright will be branded as a crazy and become a non-issue.
Posted by: JDT | March 16, 2008, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm
I didn’t think there was much difference between Obama and Clinton. While I don’t like Clinton’s politics I really don’t think she actually hates the United States she’s just an elitist. If the “super delegates” nominate Obama it will spell the end of the Democratic party. If the American people are dumb enough to elect a man who hates us, this country deserves to fall.
Posted by: jijalagi | March 16, 2008, 3:03 pm 3:03 pm
Wow how can Obama sat in that church for 20yrs and didnt know anything about this monster racist ???? the funy thing is he only knew this when he running for the president. Obama is biggest phony in America and What about Tony Rezco ??? a good friend of Obama. Change Change Change , yea Obama can change God Bless America into God Damn America.
Posted by: joeforjustice71 | March 16, 2008, 3:08 pm 3:08 pm
The real problem is this: Either Obama believes in these statements, or he doesn’t believe but was too weak to leave Mr. Wright. Either way, this disqualifies him from holding the most powerful position in politics. We can’t have a hater, and we can’t have someone who is too weak to stand up against hate.
Posted by: Burton | March 16, 2008, 3:19 pm 3:19 pm
So glad that we now get to see Obama’a true colors. There is absolutely no way that we can seriously be expected to believe Obama’s statement re the Wright affair… That he wasn’t aware of the sick, incendiary and divisive views of his pastor. That is a slap in the face of every voter directly from Obama himself. Obama attended his church for 20 years; was married by him; children baptised; involved him in his campaign and so much more… Obama knew the views of this ‘pastor’ and denying this fact only makes it clear that Obama is NOT the person he wants you to believe he is. For a campaign being run on judgement and not on experience… Obama is clearly showing that he is NOT the right person to be the next President of these United States.
Posted by: Robert Barker | March 16, 2008, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm
Church, like I said, Obama either believes those statements or was too weak to leave that environment where those type of statements are not only acceptable, but put up for sale in order to raise funds for the church. I don’t believe that he is racist. I do believe that he is not strong enough to stand up to the enemies that want to destroy our freedoms.
Posted by: Burton | March 16, 2008, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm
Church — Obama chooses not to pledge allegiance, his wife is not proud to be an American and his minister/friend curses us. My disdain is now racist? You’re going to have a tough time proving that one. I held the same disgust for Giuliani’s support for his minister/friend who is a known child molester. I don’t even know or care what color he is.
A person is known by his or her associates. If you surround yourself with those who hate America it can be safely assumed that you either hate America as well or at least tolerate those who do. Race, religion, shoe size and favorite ball team have nothing to do with it.
Posted by: jijalagi | March 16, 2008, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm
CAN’T disavow, that is…
Posted by: UseOrLose | March 16, 2008, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm
Tigerjcs:
stating the truth about the racial history of this country isn’t hate. Telling the truth about this country isn ‘t unpatriotic. I love this country, but understand that it is not perfect. I’m not a coward who runs away from the truth.
The truth is that prior to this country’s independence and for the first 100 years thereafter, there were black slaves. For the next 90 years after the 13-15 Amendments were passed, millions of whites attempted to deny blacks their access to life, liberty and equality. At that same time the government ran experiments with black men (Tuskgee syphillis experiment) At the same time, there were millions of whites who fought side by side with blacks to win their freedom and equality. Today, there are millions of whites who don’t believe that all blacks are inferior.
That’s the truth. It’s not hateful or unpatriotic.
Posted by: Ann C | March 16, 2008, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm
I am convinced now that Obama is a fraud. I do not believe for one second that he did not know about the venom spewed by his pastor. I do not believe that he did not know that Rezco was a really bad guy. And he asks that we should believe him? Why should we believe him? How could any intelligent, sensitive person not be aware of these things? It strains credulity.
Posted by: dissertator08 | March 16, 2008, 4:33 pm 4:33 pm
What is it that you critics of Obama are afraid of? Afraid that Obama will get in office and outsource you jobs to folks of color? Clinton and Bush already did that (Saudi Arabia and China and Latin America). Are you afraid he will ruin your economy as he helps make countries of color richer while putting America in debtor’s prison? Bush already did that (China and Saudia Arabia). Will Obama put you in economic slavery and take away all your rights as free citizens? Bush and the Republicans are well on the way to doing so in the Patriot Act, and they are real “patriots”. Funny, seems the one you fear that is trying to get past divisions and put this country back together, is far safer than those white men who realy failed you. Seems you should be casting the racist finger at those white men, not Obama. They are the ones who have really caused you true harm, not a black man trying to right wrongs who is a member of a black church that has a minister that no one yet can say is a liar. Use your heads people, not your reactionary hearts.
Posted by: cerestas | March 16, 2008, 4:34 pm 4:34 pm
I am sure most of the writers here are Clinton suporters. And deep down inside they know Wright was right on many things he said, although his conclusions on other things are questionable and without proof, many Americans can’t really say they are wrong with any proof of their own either. The only thing that can be condemned that the pastor said is “God damn America.”
Posted by: Gillis | March 16, 2008, 4:39 pm 4:39 pm
The only thing that can be condemned that the pastor said is “God damn America.” So don’t vote for the pastor when he runs for office.
Posted by: Gillis | March 16, 2008, 4:43 pm 4:43 pm
Couple of things to think about:
— How typical is this sort of thing (which I agree is outrageous) of the content of Rev. Wright’s sermons? I don’t know. Do you? If it were Hillary (whom I do not support) who was accused of condoning this sort of thing, I believe I’d feel compelled to listen to a representative sample of sermons before doing so, especially with the candidate saying that this is not representative. Or I’d at least wait to hear from someone who has. One person – whom I don’t know and therefore can’t vouch for – has listened to the 12 entire sermons available on tape and says that these snippets were the only objectional statements on them, and that there were many more parts with which we would all agree (“love thy enemy’ and so forth)
— In his years in the community, in law school, in private practice, in the state legis, in the Senate, and during this campaign, has anyone ever reported something that supports the picture of Obama (not his minister) as an “angry black man”? I have heard of none and I trust my own instincts after watching him, closely, for a full year.
— It is clear without any dispute that Obama deeply loved his (white) mother and his (white) grandparents (Read his books if you doubt this). If he is able to reconcile his love for them with his respect for this man who (whether he says these things all the time or not) is capable of so much anger at whites, doesn’t that make him uniquely able to bring this country together?
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Posted by: Elizabeth | March 16, 2008, 4:57 pm 4:57 pm
You know what I find ironic. He accuses Hillary of bringing race into this election. Here you have his own pastor for the past 20 years spewing garbage about race and then him denying he ever heard him speak that way. Anyone who beleieves that doesn’t have the brains they were born with!
Posted by: J | March 16, 2008, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm
Time to hang it up Obama, Yes words matter and judgement matters, and you fail on both. Your apology looked like a fraud and you looked like a defeated man, at least you figured that out correctly.
Posted by: National-Letter | March 16, 2008, 5:03 pm 5:03 pm
Time to hang it up Obama, Yes words matter and judgement matters, and you fail on both. Your apology looked like a fraud and you looked like a defeated man, at least you figured that out correctly.
Posted by: National-Letter | March 16, 2008, 5:03 pm 5:03 pm
Elizabeth,
Even one hate filled sentence for a pastor is one too many. This was more than once and Obama has not distanced himself from this church. I find that disturbing. If this were Hillary you would be damn sure that people would be calling for her head on a platter.
Posted by: J | March 16, 2008, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm
If a chicken looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it probably is a duck. Does this make any sense?
Posted by: onenibble | March 16, 2008, 5:07 pm 5:07 pm
Come on… the long and short of it is that Obama runs with some sleazy, divisive, radical characters. Close friends, spiritual advisers, very suspicious political cronys. But he hasn’t removed them from his company, his website or his campaign until he was boxed into a corner. He even misled the public when it came to Rezko, during one of the national debates, saying his association with “this person” was limited to 5 hours of legal work. No mention of the house, no mention of the boards he served on with him, no mention of the financial sponsorship and fund raising dealings going back to his first campaign for his first state office.
Then we come to Rev Wright. His spiritual guide, confidant, friend…
It was proven today that Obama was indeed in Chicago the day of Wright’s famous Christmas day obscenity of a sermon. Now you watch… over the next weeks, good reporters will comb over every inch of the videotapes they bought from his church, and I’m betting they will find the Obamas in a pew quite a few times, catching him once again lying to the public in the hopes that once again the MSM will just let it go by.
To say you have run with slime for over 20 years, but haven’t let any of it rub off onto you just defies believability.
It’s insulting. And it shows Obama’s arrogant belief the we are all sheep, who can continually be hypnotized by a his rhetoric.
Posted by: Mary | March 16, 2008, 5:15 pm 5:15 pm
Obama is a force of division. I had really not seen how its always someone elses fault according to his people.
MLK might have agreed with some, his message would have been different. I don’t subscribe to hate, but I won’t give in to it either.
Obama should not be President at this point.
Posted by: win | March 16, 2008, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm
I bet just about everyone on this site who is screaming outrage. Never screamed outrage at all the atrocities against blacks in the 400+ years that blacks were enslaved, humiliated by Jim Crow Laws, lynched, forbiddent to enter let alone become membes of white churches…and I could go on to infinity. This country created the likes of Rev. Wright who grew up and lived through the horrors of the 60′s. But now everyone wants to cry foul! INCREDIBLE!! Well Rev Wright talked about a system of injustice and although the statemenst were harsh, it doesn’t hurt America to face the truth of her past. Now that a black man has expressed outrage and finally got the attention of many whites I think Obama is just the man who understands both sides. That’s why many will still vote for him black and white. My hats off to the courageous who want to move forward.
Posted by: tlpink1996 | March 16, 2008, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm
MLK was against hate and would never support Obama.
Posted by: National-Letter | March 16, 2008, 5:19 pm 5:19 pm
MLK was the victim of hate and he attended a black church. You can act like you know, but you dont. The black church was the only place a black person could express their outrage at the system without being lynched literally or figuratively. Believe me don’t think you know about MLK’s personal worship experiences. And the comments on this site prove that lynchings still exist. The tree is now just a website or news station. You people don’t have a clue, nor do you want to have one.
Posted by: tlpink1996 | March 16, 2008, 5:26 pm 5:26 pm
President Barack Obama is inevitable and you know it. You will vote for him because your brain works.
Posted by: Gillis | March 16, 2008, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm
All the outrage on here is from Hillary supporters. You people don’t count and no one cares what you have to say anyway, otherwise we would read your posts! In any case, I haven’t changed my mind about him. Anyone with half a brain can see this is nothing more than propoganda geared to a specific audience. How is his speech any different than anything that comes out of Rush’s mouth? It’s not. Furthermore, the Rev. isn’t running for office, Obama is. Obama didn’t say it. If this was a Hillary backer, you girls and all other fem. types would be screaming, ‘she didn’t say it….’ well, so, he didn’t say it.
Now, you 3 yr. olds take your toys and go sit in the corner and wait for your govt. check. Hillary will not get the nomination and you will NOT get free health care. Want healthcare? Get a job! Want more of the same? Than vote for McCain…as we all know many of you are just that stupid anyway….well go ahead losers.
Posted by: Jerru | March 16, 2008, 5:44 pm 5:44 pm
in response to TOTHEPOINT, your wrong. USA is a noble country. It is a generous country. It has been a compansionate country. it has sacrificed so much for the betterment of mankind and it’s citizens.
Now, our history is littered with bigotry, hatered, greed,and all the evils we can inflict on one another. That is Because, we are part of the human condition. And all of mankind’s history is littered with the same foilables. It is part of our species. But, the one difference is, we have the institutions, the mindset,the culture that over time, we see the injustice, and move to correct it. We were better when we declared independance in 1786 than the rest of the world in our ideals. We’ve grown generation with each generation, seeing our ills and our evil side, and tried to correct them. Very few nations can claim that track record. I am despondant at times over the way we can go into evil during many parts of our history. I am proud we reconized that, and were not afraid to correct them. Yes, we have a way to go to nirvana, as does all of mankind. But, I would put my chips on the USA doing it than any other nation on earth.
Posted by: Stu | March 16, 2008, 5:46 pm 5:46 pm
President Barack Obama is inevitable and you know it. You will vote for him because your brain works. The republicans can try to make you vote for Hillary who they know they can beat easilly. But you are no fool. You will come back to help heal our nation. Keep you eyes on the price.
Posted by: Gillis | March 16, 2008, 5:49 pm 5:49 pm
Well, I can see this website doesn’t echo the majority nor is it willing to engage in any intelligent debate about the failures of our country to rid itself of this racist hate. There is a new generation of Americans who I believe, I firmly trust will indeed not want to raise their children in this mess. I believe they will continue to speak loud and clear for change. I believe Obama will continue to fight for that change. You will not stamp out his voice nor the voice of millions who see the ugliness of hate on both sides of the coin and will fight you and everyone else who wants to keep our country mired in hate. Obama for President! Vote for a better America
Posted by: tlpink1996 | March 16, 2008, 5:55 pm 5:55 pm
Gillis,
Even if it is a 30 seconds it is still hatred, but you Obama fools are to stupid to see that. IF Hillary’s pastor had ever said anything like this about blacks you Obama followers would be calling for her to quit.
Posted by: J | March 16, 2008, 6:00 pm 6:00 pm
J: I haven’t mentioned not one word about Hillary’s campaign.
In fact have you read anything I’ve said? I am not talking about Hillary. I’m talking about people and the state of these United States of America. We need someone who will help all her people black, white, latino & asian heal our land. I believe Obama is uniquely qualified and also brilliant.
I’m not voting against Hillary I’m voting for Obama.
Posted by: tlpink1996 | March 16, 2008, 6:03 pm 6:03 pm
J wrote to me: “… you Obama fools are to stupid to see that.”
Name calling is for people who can’t win an argument logically. There are called conservatiive republicans. Are you one of them?
Posted by: Gillis | March 16, 2008, 6:06 pm 6:06 pm
I refuse to settle for anything less than Barak at the top,I know Hillary’s put this stuff out there…we ain’t gonna be miss Scarlett’s squeaky maid no mo…she pale as hell…she remind me of Oprah Winfrey’s white lady boss in “Color of Purple”…I ain’t gonna vote for her
Posted by: Alex | March 16, 2008, 6:07 pm 6:07 pm
President Barack Obama is inevitable and you know it. You will vote for him because your brain works. The republicans can try to make you vote for Hillary who they know they can beat easilly. But you are no fool. You will come back to help heal our nation. Keep your eyes on the price. Ignore old man Wright.
Posted by: Gillis | March 16, 2008, 6:11 pm 6:11 pm
tlpink1996
I didn’t say you did. I am pointing out that there is a double standard when it comes to this race issue. Clinton has helped the black community as well as latino’s etc in the past. Obama isn’t going to heal squat. He’s no better than any of the past politicians.
IF you believe that he is going to change anything then you are naive. He has lied repeatedly about Rezko, Wright and the Canadian Nafta thing. How is he different than anybody else? He needs to back up his flowery, feel good rhetoric with actions not words.
Posted by: J | March 16, 2008, 6:15 pm 6:15 pm
me: If there wasn’t a tragic history of barring blacks from churches, universities and colleges as well as public schools there would not have been a need for black colleges or black churches. If blacks hadn’t been denied jobs or homes or if their businesses hadn’t been burned or ransacked and their houses bombed or set on fire there wouldn’t have been a need for a United Negro College Fund. Do you not understand this? Some of you need to really go read some African American History. All I’m saying is that a black man from the 60′s has a reason to be upset. I really don’t understand the shcck of many whites-do you not know the history of your country?
So now you’ve seen an angry black man who said some shocking things about America’s role in the lives of other people. It was harsh and unkind and has no place in modern society. But I think we can all agree he has a basis for anger. We can all agree he went too far. But don’t pretend you know a man wo’s been pastoring for 35+years who is a well respected scholar and well known preacher and teacher all over this country from 3 clips of his sermons. That’s ignorance.
Posted by: tlpink1996 | March 16, 2008, 6:19 pm 6:19 pm
President Barack Obama is inevitable and you know it. You will vote for him because your brain works. The republicans can try to make you vote for Hillary who they know they can beat easilly. But you are no fool. You will come back to help heal our nation. Keep your eyes on the prize. Ignore old man Wright.
Posted by: Gillis | March 16, 2008, 6:20 pm 6:20 pm
Yes Gillis I used the word stupid.If any of you Obama people don’t see what this man has spewed is indeed hate against OUR country as well as other hateful, racist things, then that is the appropriate word.
I get called a racist repeatedly by Obamamaniacs for not supporting somebody I do not trust and whose speeches I don’t believe.
Posted by: J | March 16, 2008, 6:24 pm 6:24 pm
The truth is finally starting to come out and “the truth will set you free”. America, wake up and smell the coffee. Obama doesn’t want his records out anymore than he wants Rezco, his pastor, earmarks, or anything else to come out for that matter. Doesn’t he know by now if, it’s negative information, all he has to do is look sweet and repute, denounce or deny it and the media won’t bring it up again. What a plague on all of us, the mainstream media. FOX is turning out to be more fair in this election than nearly all the rest. Come on media, OB’s not on the level on the Rev. Wright issue or anything else it now seems. He only speaks the truth when he gets caught in a lie or half truth. How much more is lingering out there for Republicans to mo-up the floor with him if, and that’s a big “IF”, he gets the nomination. God help us if he does! Our country needs “US” to stand-up for her now. Our future lingers in the balance of the impending primaries & general election. We need a President to restore our standing at home and abroad. We need Hillary, not inexperience and a very questionable past, and certainly not Senator more of the same, McCain.
Posted by: Mary O'Bryan | March 16, 2008, 6:24 pm 6:24 pm
The truth is finally starting to come out and “the truth will set you free”. America, wake up and smell the coffee. Obama doesn’t want his records out anymore than he wants Rezco, his pastor, earmarks, or anything else to come out for that matter. Doesn’t he know by now if, it’s negative information, all he has to do is look sweet and repute, denounce or deny it and the media won’t bring it up again. What a plague on all of us, the mainstream media. FOX is turning out to be more fair in this election than nearly all the rest. Come on media, OB’s not on the level on the Rev. Wright issue or anything else it now seems. He only speaks the truth when he gets caught in a lie or half truth. How much more is lingering out there for Republicans to mo-up the floor with him if, and that’s a big “IF”, he gets the nomination. God help us if he does! Our country needs “US” to stand-up for her now. Our future lingers in the balance of the impending primaries & general election. We need a President to restore our standing at home and abroad. We need Hillary, not inexperience and a very questionable past, and certainly not Senator more of the same, McCain.
Posted by: Mary O'Bryan | March 16, 2008, 6:24 pm 6:24 pm
Even amidts Rev. Wrights contraversy, the next president Barack Obama nets 10 new deligates in Iowa. That’s what realy counts. Isn’t it?
Posted by: Gillis | March 16, 2008, 6:29 pm 6:29 pm
J: and your comment just noted why you’re a Hillary supporter, I guess rather than an Obama one. You believe nothing can change for the better and I believe that it can. I prefer optimism to pessimism. Sorry it’s a character flaw.
based on your text I take it you’ve done no extensive personal research or reading about Obama on your own. If you had you would know what actions he’s already taken in his circle of influence and you would know the details of his plans for the future and exactly how he plans on implementing them.
I don’t know what double standard you mention. Racism is a illness on both sides of the aisle as I’ve mentioned in other posts. I’m trying to help others understand not accept, the black response to racism which was first inflicted upon them for generations. I do believe Obama can help, I repeat help the people come to the place where they see and appreciate another’s point of view and thus help us start the road to recovery.
Posted by: tlpink1996 | March 16, 2008, 6:29 pm 6:29 pm
tlpink1996
The double standard of Obama supporters when Geraldine Ferraro’s comments and Bill Clintons comment were made and these comments from Rev. Wright. Obamamaniacs were screaming their heads off last week. I see what actions he has taken…lol. Look no further than Rezko and Wright. He has lied on several occasions and he is not trustworthy. He is just as crooked as the next politician. Not a change from the old.
I don’t believe this man for a second. What detailed plans? He hasn’t said how he is going to achieve all he is promising and who is going to pay for it. Most of his stuff has been taken from Edwards and Clinton.
Posted by: J | March 16, 2008, 6:39 pm 6:39 pm
Sadly,I think Hillary’s inevitable as the nominee…and you know she can’t beat the “I Claudius” candidate,to say nothing of her transparent phoniness,her carping screeching demeanor we’ve all heard come bubbling over at her speeches,and her take no prisoners approach to getting into the seat of the presidency.Honestly,this woman doesn’t have a clue when it comes to conducting the military and etc.She just picked the right trousers to hook up with.
Posted by: Alex | March 16, 2008, 6:40 pm 6:40 pm
Alex….we are so proud. You learned to talk properly. I actually understood what you wrote
Posted by: me | March 16, 2008, 6:43 pm 6:43 pm
J: Like I said you’ve done no resarch on your own. That’s why you don’t know about his plan.
I’m not judging you for voting for Hillary am I. So don’t judge me for voting for Obama. We have a difference of opinion is all.
Personally I was surprised by Ferraro’s comment but not shocked and upset by it. We’ve heard that kind of stuff throughout the years forever and a day.
The double standard is that whites can belittle blacks for years and effectively shut them out of American liberty and prosperity and then expect them to be as proud as they are about America. Well I’m proud but I guarantee you it’s not the same kind of pride you may have. One only need study history to understand that concept.
Posted by: tlpink1996 | March 16, 2008, 6:50 pm 6:50 pm
J, you are right in saying “…If any of you Obama people don’t see what this man has spewed is indeed hate against OUR country…
By “this man” I think you mean Rev. Wright not barack Obama. What he said is not appropriate at all if we are going to heal as a Nation. That is what Obama is trying to unite the nation against, be it from Rev. Wright or those older White males who vote solely on the bases of race.
Now I know you will say but blacks vote 90% for Obama. Remember Obama started to get more black votes after whites led the way in Iowa. Also, Obama is not a black grievance candidate like Jesse Jackson or even Al Sharpton.
Posted by: Gillis | March 16, 2008, 6:53 pm 6:53 pm
Gillis,
Yes I did mean Rev. Wright. How can he be called a uniter when he has attended this same church for the past 20 yrs and this man was his mentor and spiritual guider. Am I missing something here? We can agree to disagree on our candidates. I just hope we are choosing the right candidate.
Posted by: J | March 16, 2008, 6:58 pm 6:58 pm
The difference is, its not about black, white with everyone. That may be hard to grasp, but its true. Some people don’t put up with racism from either, some people aren’t proud no matter which race, is getting “shutout”.
Racism is wrong either way, it hurts a persons pride, no matter if they are the same color.
Ferraro’s comment sounded like a snipe. The Reverand’s went past that into racism. Obama and the Reverend are both intelligent people, educated, and they were aware. All the wonderful comments Obama has made about this ‘spiritual advisor’, this friend and mentor he has known years, but he claims now, never heard him say anything like this.
Posted by: win | March 16, 2008, 7:06 pm 7:06 pm
tlpink1996,
Tell me what his plans are. I really would like to know what he is supposedly going to do.He hasn’t really come out and said how he is going to implement anything he has said. There have be no specifics. Enlighten me please.
Posted by: J | March 16, 2008, 7:07 pm 7:07 pm
J: Of course we can all agree to disagree. Just a couple of things though, you are judging one man’s 66 years of living on 3 clips you’ve seen of about what 30-60 seconds each. How is that a credible judgement. This man has an 8,000 mixed member church of different races that he’s pastored for 35+ years. Trinity reports to UCC the predominantly white christian organization United Church of Christ, headquartered in Ohio I believe. Do you think if he was as racist and divisive as the MSM has said they would let him hold his status in the demnomination. We’e got to be smarter than that. Also Obama has served 8 years in Illinois legislature, do you really believe no one investigate the church he attended until a year ago?
This issue has one purpose and that’s to destroy not just Obama but the democratic party. And since Dem’s continue to fight it might have a good run at it.
Posted by: tlpink1996 | March 16, 2008, 7:08 pm 7:08 pm
J: Rest assured, if your candidate wins Fairly I will donate money and time to make sure she win the presidency.
Posted by: Gillis | March 16, 2008, 7:09 pm 7:09 pm
Ferraro also brought up the fact that when she ran for VP she was not qualified either. Her comments alluded to the fact that this man a few years ago was unheard of, suddenly he is running for President and the concept is new and fresh to some people. She basically said a white man that had Obama’s appeal wouldn’t be in the same position because it is not new and fresh.
On the other hand Rev. Wright’s comments crossed that racial line as well as being unpatriotic.
Posted by: J | March 16, 2008, 7:12 pm 7:12 pm
I love my country and do not always agree with some of the things that are done, but I also don’t pit people against each other. I don’t care if somebody is polka dot, I take them for the person that they are, regardless of race,religion or sexual orientation. I grew up in the 60′s and remember what it was like. I wasn’t brought up to hate anybody.
For a former Marine and a pastor to be talking that way even once is a disgrace to all races and to this country. That also goes for any other men of God that spew hate towards any group.
Posted by: J | March 16, 2008, 7:52 pm 7:52 pm
Obama had my vote until this revelation. Now I have to vote for that broom riding opponent of his or not at all.
Posted by: Dan | March 16, 2008, 7:53 pm 7:53 pm
Alex is temporarily leaving the building…to go help “fix” voting machines that are “broken” so they can be “ready” for the coming war…I ain’t goin without a fight this time whitey…
Posted by: Alex | March 16, 2008, 8:14 pm 8:14 pm
J: I think that’s great for you, and I agree with that philosophy and practice in kind. I think so does Obama.
However, I know many people family and friends who I lovely dearly who have scars of the past. I don’t agree with them on many issues, but I certainly understand them and continue to befriend them for after all each is a total person who still has much to offer to my life.
Posted by: tlpink1996 | March 16, 2008, 8:17 pm 8:17 pm
J: enjoyed our conversation. I have a life to live and will leave it to the new folks coming on line to continue to debate this issue.
As for me. Obama is the man who understands both sides and can bring this country together.
He still gets my vote!
Posted by: tlpink1996 | March 16, 2008, 8:21 pm 8:21 pm
tlpink1996,
That is great you feel Obama is the better candidate, I think Hillary is, despite her faults. For me its’ not a race thing, not voting for him. I just don’t see how he is going to put his words into action. I do believe there is alot more that will come out in the general election. If this was 8 years from now and I knew the man a bit more, I might put my trust and my country into his hands. At this point in time, I cannot do that.
Posted by: J | March 16, 2008, 8:27 pm 8:27 pm
tlpink1996,
Likewise, have a good night.
Posted by: J | March 16, 2008, 8:30 pm 8:30 pm
I am tired of being called a racist because I do not believe Barack Obama is qualified to be president of the United States. I am not voting for him because he lacks experience and judgment, because I have seen him lie over and over on issues regarding the Rezko connection and the NAFTA fiasco with Canada, and now obviously because he has been a member of this divisive church for 20 years, supporting it to the tune of almost $25,000.00 per year.But you know what really made up my mind some months ago? The “race-baiting” techniques employed by his campaign to twist and take out of context so many of the words of the Clinton campaign. Both Hillary and Bill Clinton have spent their entire political careers in support of minorities and lower income people in this country, and Barack Obama knows it. So why allow your campaign to “race-bait”, why not step up and say that this campaign should be on the issues and not play the race card? That is a character issue, and his actions have shown me that he is a man of little character. He “talks the talk” oh so well, but it is Hillary Clinton who has “walked the walk”, hand in hand with children, minorities, and the disadvantaged in this country for years, and to even think that she has one racist bone in her body is absurd. History will someday show the immoral, indecent tactics of this campaign employed by the Obama campaign and judge him accordingly.
Posted by: Grammy Barb | March 16, 2008, 8:38 pm 8:38 pm
Obama and his wife are bailing out the boat as fast as they can but it is still sinking..
Posted by: Pat M | March 16, 2008, 9:26 pm 9:26 pm
You people are following along with good old Mr. Rove. He has you exactly where he wants you. You vote for Hillary and they win. I can see him smiling now. You didn’t even read or listen tothe entire speech. Some people on here are right wing and just pump you up to leave Obama. You fell for it with Bush and your falling for it now. Obama is the only hope for this country, whether you like it or not. You will find out when it’s to late. I see some of the same old people on here, smearing Obama with the exact words and you fall for it. I happen to be white , by the way.
Posted by: Mollie | March 16, 2008, 10:35 pm 10:35 pm
As Roland Martin today said on CNN:
1) Ron Paul said the same things about 9/11 as Rev. Wright
2) This stuff is peripheral and we should focus on the economy and the other ISSUES
Funny how Ron Paul can say something similar about 9/11 but it doesn’t have nearly the impact as a Reverend who never ran for the presidency. Paul said this not only during a presidential debate but also in an article he published back in 2004. “…foreign policy of interventionism – practiced by both major parties for over a hundred years – as an important reason 9/11 occurred”
Also interesting is how this story about Rev. Wright has been around since at least April last year, but now it suddenly resurfaced…now that Obama has a huge (and virtually impossible to beat) delegate and popular vote lead. See an article about the Rev. Wright published April 30, 2007 in the NY Times.
Rev Wright’s comments are definitely controversial. On the other hand, I imagine anyone who has 30+ years of public speaking could have just about anything condensed into 30 seconds of incendiary material. But he’s not running for president. And for that matter, neither is Geraldine Ferraro. Let’s just focus on the candidates themselves and the issues.
Posted by: EFO | March 16, 2008, 11:03 pm 11:03 pm
HIC,
Nice try, but the analogy doesn’t quite work. Why? Simple reason. Obama CHOSE which church to belong to. Most Catholics are born into their religion and are told it is the RIGHT one. Had Obama been born into this church it would have been one thing. But he ACTIVELY CHOSE IT.
Posted by: J | March 16, 2008, 11:05 pm 11:05 pm
HIC,
Other reasons why your analogy fails.
1. The Catholic Church covered up child molestation. But it is not a part of Catholic doctrine to molest children (obviously, just the opposite). If we had found out that Obama’s pastor had molested children, obviously we wouldn’t hold that against Obama at all.
2. All of your examples are ones of personal ethics/choice. Whether to have only sex for procreation, etc. are things for which one can say “they are my personal convictions but I will not impose them on America.” Unfortunately, the same cannot be said of the Evil-White-Man Conspiracy Theories. They are politially and racially motivated, are not in the realm of personal ethics but politics.
Posted by: J | March 16, 2008, 11:08 pm 11:08 pm
EFO,
Had Ron Paul said that the US government had spread AIDS to blacks intentionally, rest assured he would have not survived beyond a minute.
Posted by: J | March 16, 2008, 11:12 pm 11:12 pm
DEMOCRATS ARE DEAD. Hillary can’t win.
Posted by: James | March 16, 2008, 11:32 pm 11:32 pm
A man is known by his enemies and his friends. I am known to have friends who also love the United States. I am known to have enemies who hate the United States. It can easily be extrapolated that I must love my country. If however I associate with those who hate the United States, it could easily be assumed that I have no love for it either.
I would not consider Obama to be a friend.
Posted by: jijalagi | March 17, 2008, 12:12 am 12:12 am
Obama’s boat is sinking faster than the Titanic and he is re-arranging the deck chairs while the band plays…NO OBAMA IN 08.
Posted by: Pat M | March 17, 2008, 2:05 am 2:05 am
The good reverend is doing his job, speaking (his) truth to power, getting his flock to look at their lives in a bigger context, and simultaneously telling the sheep/society stuck in racism/neo-colonialism that a change is coming…you can be be a conscious part of that movement, or be blind-sided with stupidity as the tsunami of history rolls in. Remember 9-11 and the struggle to fathom…”why do they hate us ?”(cover of Newsweek)and the resultant spin…”they hate us for our freedoms”(our fearless leader). That is so much simpler than trying to digest historical blowback from U.S. imposed regime change since 1893 (Hawaii, Cuba, Nicaragua, Philippines, Puerto Rico, Honduras, Guatemala, Iran, Viet-Nam, Chile, Lebanon, Grenada, Panama, Afghanistan, Iraq). It is a whole lot easier to say “nucular” than “Muhammad Mossadegh “,if you catch my drift.
Now, brother Barack has the good sense to tell us he is an independent thinker who does not need Pastor Wright to keep his finger on the pulse of truth. Is this shocking, America?
Posted by: busby berkely | March 17, 2008, 3:25 am 3:25 am
This isn’t a racist issue and I do not want to hear a speech about how we need to overcome racism. This is just how Obama’s camp and supporters classify it.
This is a JUDGEMENT call on his part, when you run your campaign on the judgement you had to give a speech and say your judgement is the best. Well then this is a big concern for us. Another problem with this is he has said WORDS MATTER so how can he change this. He won’t get the votes back that are leaving him and there is alot of people over the weekend that have said I can not vote for him in the GE. Please if you want to talk about racism that fine but, remember it runs on all sides and right now it looks like African-Americans are racist against White Americans.
HE USED HORRIBLE JUDGEMENT, AND THIS LIKE WORDS MATTERS.
Posted by: Melissa | March 17, 2008, 9:03 am 9:03 am
Even amidts Rev. Wrights contraversy, the next president Barack Obama nets 10 new deligates in Iowa. That’s what realy counts. Isn’t it?
Posted by: Gillis | March 17, 2008, 10:20 am 10:20 am
President Barack Obama is inevitable and you know it. You will vote for him because your brain works. The republicans can try to make you vote for Hillary who they know they can beat easily. But you are no fool. You will come back to help heal our nation. Keep your eyes on the prize.
Posted by: Gillis | March 17, 2008, 10:27 am 10:27 am
Gillis
I will not vote for Barack Obama no matter how many times Lou Farrakhan says I should.
Posted by: Kansas | March 17, 2008, 11:19 am 11:19 am
People on this site are truly pathetic to try and discredit one man due to another mans ill-advised beliefs and preachings. Just another petty excuse for ignorant people to vent their anger and hatred that a African American male is in the front line for the presidency.
Posted by: chris | March 17, 2008, 11:30 am 11:30 am
President Clinton was the only President to apologize to the black community for slavery. Rev. Wright has yet to date to apologize for his remarks about Hillary or the white community. Senator Obama has yet to apologize to all American communities.
Wouldn’t a heart felt apology do us all better?
Posted by: Tenny | March 17, 2008, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm
forces of division like barrack and hate pastor wright. this issue will do dumboears in if he does not immediately denounce and quit this church. did you hear all the church goers praising wright after this all surfaced. this is a hate group and BHO needs to leave it or his negatives will sky rocket
Posted by: dean o | March 17, 2008, 12:24 pm 12:24 pm
@mariaWr
Where in does it state to blame one race over another?
Where does any Pastor, Reverend, Preacher, Bishop or Father have the right to distort the Bible, to create fear, and hate mongering of any race. The Bible is open to interpretation, but where does it use the “N” word to depict any race? To G D America is blasphemy. Rev. Wright used God’s name in vain. Christians are not to do this. Remember the word Christian means to be “Christ Like”…
Posted by: Tenny | March 17, 2008, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm
The news media has been trying to find a way to harm Barack and turn white voter against him, so they searched and found Dr. Wright. Well for those of you who don’t realize it, speaking out against the establisment has historically been the way that change begin., with everthing, civil rights, the wmoen movement, even the Revoluntary War. If you will research Dr. Wright’s life work, you will find out that he and his church has done a lot of good for the in city. He is not the terrible person that media is trying to make him out to be. I am sure he is not happy that the news media took sound bites and tried to destory his whole 40 year career, just to make Barack look bad. It is so sad when the media tries to effect votes. The people who were going to vote for Hillary are still going to vote for her, and people who are going to vote for Barack are still going to vote for him, because we know how things really work. As Bill Clinton said just let the people make their choice, and everyone stop trying to make it be what you want. The fact that there are such mean sprited blogs, says that we still have a problem in this country. We have problems in this country with jobs, health care education and we are fighting about race and color. This is stupid and needs to stop.
Posted by: carmal | March 17, 2008, 2:25 pm 2:25 pm
@carmal
I was an Obama supporter, not any longer.
If Hillary is not the Dem’s Presumptive Candidate, I will cross party lines and vote John McCain.
Posted by: Tenny | March 17, 2008, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm
And “God Damn America” is NOT a force for division??? Explain that, please.
Posted by: Nola47 | March 17, 2008, 5:08 pm 5:08 pm
America is controlled by rich powerful people. They happen to be white. That’s not racist; it’s true. We are in a capitalist society. Blacks do not control the wealth in the USA. By control I mean that in the history of American, not one black, Hispanic, Asian, Jew, woman etc. have been elected to be President of the USA. Not one in the history of its existence. Is that because there was not one qualified? No. It is because of racism and because the people in power do not want change. These same people are controlling this story about Rev. Wright. While I do not agree with ALL the statements of Rev. Wright, most of them happen to be true. Hilary is rich, white and privileged. That is not racist; it is true. She has never been called the n word. That is not racist; it is true. America does need to take responsibility for its foreign policies; that is not racist; it is true. We are now in an unjust war; we invaded a foreign nation without cause; we are killing and causing innocent soldiers to be killed on a daily basis. This will come back to haunt us. Is this racist; no, it is true. All these people who are attacking the church and it’s pastor need to read the Bible. It says “Touch not my anointed… and be not deceived God is not mocked, whatever you sow you shall also reap.” People are outraged that Wright said that USA created AIDS. I do not believe this. However, the outraged is funny since the government killed off the American Indians with smallpox and injected African American with Syphilis in the Tuskegee Experiment. Check your history books people before you show your mock outrage and hypocrisy. You are too self-righteous for me. This may not have been your experience, but it happened. Personally I do not believe the AIDS thing but is it unreasonable to assume that maybe Wright is drawing from these inferences of distrust? Obama did not say these things anyway; Wright did. So by some of your logic, if a Catholic Priest who baptized my children and married me molested children for 20 years, this would make me some how responsible by association? I should have known some how? I’m guilty because I was associated with him? That is so crazy! I attend church, but I am not there every Sunday, and I do not you tube the sermons or check the website when I miss a week or two. Obama has a white mother, so he hates her too and all of the rest of his white family since you have branded him a racist? Be careful because you are not just attacking Barack you are attacking the church, and “vengeance is Mine said the Lord.”
Posted by: aanderson | March 17, 2008, 10:52 pm 10:52 pm
Anderson, its people like you that bend and manipulate numbers and facts to fit your arguments. I am a 31 year old male who has never owned slaves, so I don’t owe anyone a damn thing. “FACT” Once the “WHITE” powers pulled out of Africa it became the arm pit of the world. There’s not one stable country in Africa that’s run by blacks that’s safe from corrupted, thieving, and murderous governments. Somalia, Kenya, Congo, ECT are all genocide play grounds run by BLACK leaders that make Hitler look like a school girl. So before you puke up your race mendacity about the past, look at the now. Ask you’re self who is killing black people now by the hundreds of thousands? I guarantee it isn’t the white devils FACT!
Posted by: D.Cellar | March 17, 2008, 11:43 pm 11:43 pm
It is incredibly stupid to vote for or against Obama based on the sayings of his pastor. Obama is not running for religious office. He’s running for a secular office. Obama himself has not supported of any of the nonsense that this preacher has said…I too have had crazy relatives, and I would be upset if people expected me to hurt my relative by denouncing them as a person. Its enough that he denounces his “uncles” words!!
Posted by: Paul | March 18, 2008, 3:06 am 3:06 am
and exactly where do you plan on finding this fairy tale of a candidate who represents “all the people of America”?
Posted by: dk | March 18, 2008, 4:38 am 4:38 am
I’m beginning to get fed up with the whole Wright nonsense. Fine, the pastor made remarks against the US. So? I have friends and relatives who have all sorts of ridiculous views, but that does not mean I AGREE with them.
How about Pat Robertson? Why are his comments about 9/11 so easily forgotten? It is time for white americans to accept that other minorities need their place in society. As a white american, I truly recognize the level of racism in this country. And whether we like it or not, blacks have gotten the raw end of the deal.
Also, Obama comes from a cross of both cultures. His MOTHER who RAISED him is white, and his father who he NEVER KNEW was black. I don’t think he would despise his mother or her race.
Posted by: Nicole | April 29, 2008, 1:36 pm 1:36 pm
hi,guys During a town hall in Plain field, Ind.Ba rack Obama brought up controversial statements made by the Rev.Jeremiah Wright,weaving the storyline into the history of race in America,perhaps another attempt at distancing himself from his pastor’s commentary.
Rocky
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