Key Obama Iowa Adviser Invokes ‘Monica’s Blue Dress’ When Assailing Bill Clinton’s ‘Patriotism’ Comments

Yippee, more rejections, denunciations and repudiations?!
Who cares what this guy has to say? Let’s move onto the issues people care about.

Yep. Controlling those surrogates is getting harder and harder, for both camps. This is why this protracted fight is bad.
As Yeats said, “The best lack all conviction, while the worst are filled with passionate intensity”. Perhaps this applies to internet comment boards as well?

So how exactly is Obama raising the bar in political discourse or taking the high road????
I’m having trouble seeing it actually.

What a disgusting comment.

IOWA has a white majority and a rural population. I cannot believe the caucuses are voting for Obama without someone controlling them. Iran is more democratic than USA, atleast they do not have caucus.
GO FIGURE

Another example of the lack of integrity of both candidates. Vote for an honest candidate. Vote Nader!

More “gutter” politics from Obama, who feels he is entitled to the White House.
*all I did was turn around Bill Richardson’s attacks on the Clinton campaign.

This is just another diversion from rev wright by the obama people. Who do these people think are impressed by this.

Go for it do all the dirty laundry you can they both need it ,to remind the people what lies they tell.They think they are above the law,<<<<<<<<<<

So, Mr.(I stand for change) obama
and his people have shown he is just a politican as all the rest. Obama and his people will do anything to get off the subject of wright and the mess he brings. and obama negative list grows
a lie to american people about nafta
and told the canadians something else
rezko-1st he told us he rec. 150k0-then he had to tell us it was 250k
then he told the american people one thing about the what he would do about the war-and his former foreign policy
advisor s. power told the bbc something different.
then 20 years of rev. wright-he told us first he never heard it-then he told us
yes he had been in services where he heard it-he claims to be a uniter-and his spiritual mentor preaches seperate
he has caused this country and the dem party to divide.
he copies everything Hillary does on the issues.
and now this-why?
Obama is not ready to be president
he has bad judgement
Obama and his people are doing to the black people what bush and rove did with the evangelicals.
It is a shame.
I’ll bet if you check-on past easter sunday’s obama and his family have been in church-why not this year. When will he go back to service there? and Moss the third is just an up and coming rev. wright. so the seperatist sermons will ggo on. and I cannot believe the media
is not trying to help the american voters. Hillary is the only one talking about how to solve the problems of today that we face and will face in the future. all the people who are against hillary-cannot say that she is wrong on the issues. Hillary runs circles around obama and mccain on the issues.

The only gutter politics coming out in this campaign are from the Clinton camp. They should be thankful that all the Clinton dirt hasn’t been brought up. There is no dirtier family in American history than the Clintons. So they really shouldn’t be attacking Obama. Bill Clinton is an embarrassment to the Democratic party.

Again, who cares about the Clinton’s personal life? It is so hypocritical of all of the Obama supporters to keep bringing Monica up when JFK probably disrespected his office just as much, the press just knew then there were more important matters to shed light on than his personal life. Yet, everyone wants to compare Obama to JFK! Again, double standards. Obama’s campaign is actually coming off as one of the most divisive, manipulative, and hypocritical Presidential campaigns this country has ever had. So much for unity! That is why so many will never vote for him if he still manages to become the nominee, and those are legitimate reasons.

Earth to surrogates : Please calm down. This is turning into a circus.

WestCoastMessenger – Welcome back!!!! I knew you would come back…to toast the victory over the stupid Obama camp.

These kind of comments are to be expected although the Obama camp has tried to behave themselves in the past. When primaries last this long, stuff like this come out from the surrogates. The media makes a big deal of it. Ignore it and move on.

Jake, you said it all. Leaving aside that it is supposed to be the Clinton campaign that engages in “gutter politics,” it is questionable strategy for Obama’s campaign to fan the flames (or more appropriately, start a fire) over Obama’s perceived lack of “patriotism,” a vulnerable point for him. Protesting too much about the issue only raises its profile in the eyes of the electorate.

A vote for Nader is a vote for a 3rd term WBush=McCain in the White House. It is unfortunate that the discours has been lowered by Bill Clinton. He tried and tried and tried again, he is angry because he was thinking that everybody will go on their knees for him and his beloved wife, the inevitable candidate, the inevitable nominee and the inevitable president. But Obama, Richardson, Dodds, etc. are just doing the contrary as real sons and daughters of America. Equal rights, equal justice and equal opportunity, that is the basis of the American Dream. WestCoastMessanger, DNC will decide the FL and MI vote, not Hillary’s impositions, fairness is the basis of justice. God bless America, God bless Obama. OBAMA08.

Well…it is just where the Clintons wanted it. they started (and all of the poor people who are brainwashed by their own 7 year long argument on here)…
The Clintons have a lot more than a blue dress…but it seems you all continue to just be angry that your candidate isn’t getting their due entitlement…you know he goes first she doesn’t say anything and years later she’ll be President.
Stop. Breathe. Look. These comments are all in reaction to the Clintons playing the game (and very well I might add…yes they are very good at playing this game…just wished they were better at putting the country and all those fights they say they are waging before their own positions and needs)…
I don’t know if Clinton is worse than MCCarthy…I don’t know if he is even close… I am pretty sure he is not…as i am sure Gov. richardson isn’t “Judas” and Sen. Obama is far more of a lover of this country and puts the country ahead of himself than Sen. Clinton does.
I do want to ask…how many people couldn’t help watching the Detroit Mayor press conferences today and not think…when the Lawyer got up and she said this was an afront to the justice system and it is not just about tawdry sexual crap… did it not throw you back to 8 years ago and that finger pointing at us through the television screen…with such anger.
God, do I not want to go back to that …to only having the republicans and Foxnews back in office in 4 years.

When it comes to his pastor, Obama wants us to understand everything in “context.” When it come to Bill and Hillary Clinton, context be damned! Obama’s campaign is dirty politics all around.

COUNT Florida!
COUNT Michigan!
COUNT all the votes!
HILLARY stands up for all voters!
Yeah, Hillary stands up for all voters – when it’s of value to her. She wasn’t singing that same tune 3 months ago. Wake up and smell the distortion!

and Julie
The Clinton’s are the king and quenn of all theat “other stuff” if you’ll remmeber the reason we lost the Gore/Bush election (or tied or whatever you want to call it) has a lot more to do with the Clinton’s “other stuff” than with policies or what was best for this country.
and Julie Ricky all those other people who are repeating slander…rather than issues that have legitimate facts to back them up (which the Clintons have LISTS of those) …yuo do not add to the campaign…and you are the type of people who make me like the Clintons even less.

Groucho Marx(October 2, 1890 – August 19, 1977) rightly says Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedies. ~
Obama is doing the same isn’t he?

Again I have to say.. How can Obama, a democrat, insult a two term democrat president and still run with the same party.. Who really sounds like they are destroying the democratic party?

Dear disillusioned Democrats,
Rally behind Bill Oriely, Rush Limbaugh, Sen Hennety to have their choice of Democratice nominee (Hillary) nominated….Thats the only key for McCain to be elected in Nov…becaue Obama is the candidate McCain is scared to run against.

Harko,
The problem is that Obama has all his surrogates doing the hit. They are his agents of change? LOL Because of this, it is clearly relevant what they say and do. I want to know what they say and do. If we depend on Obama, solely, we will think he just goes around making nice speeches. His campaign is about much more than that. Its very core stems from the dirtiest of political machines and dynasties.
There is a distinctive disjoint between Obama and his agents. That is purposeful and needs to be exposed. That is the roll of journalism, I think. Thanks, Jake!!!

The only way we give it to McCain is if the kitchen sink keeps getting thrown…or a nominee says into a national microphone again that McCain is the better nominee…
If the Clintons care so much about the issues why would they put McCain above Obama.
Because they don’t…they care about the Clintons being President.

oh lord, let the clinton fatigue begin (again)

oh lord, let the clinton fatigue begin (again)

Texas Voter on here babbling about President Clinton’s patriotism. What the hell does his patriotism have to do with his sex life. You have to be kidding. So any man or woman who cheats on his spouse in not a patriot. Do you know how ridiculous that sounds?

Another folishness after the race card was debunked now that’s the patriotism card. Can Bill clinton talk about patriotism….This further confirm that the Clintons will bring down the Democratic party at all cost…That’s very sad.

It is so funny to see how many of you don’t know anything more than tabloid press. I live in Mr. Obama’s state. If you are all brow beaten into voting for Hillary then best of luck to you. We would like to have Sen. Obama back fighting for us. Pastor White makes you uncomfortable, because he may make you think. That’s right. If a minister can drive a point home he or she can increase the the money going into their pocket. My minister ticks me off sometimes and so does my boss. I go back because they make me think for myself. The Clinton puppets will now have to be told how to respond to this… Too funny. Billy C is the biggest car salesman on the planet. That was insulting to car salesmen. Hillary is in this for herself. If she wins the nod the McCain’s win the Whitehouse. There is so much dirt on Hillary that she couldn’t get clean in a rainstorm.

How childish. Let’s get on with the “real” stuff. Obama’s campaign isn’t going negative – yeah right !!!
Go Hillary

BKMC-I hope you and any close relatives are past the age of being drafted.
I hope you have a good job
I hope you have good healthcare
and I hope you do not have anyone coming up soon who will need to apply for student loans to go to college.
because if you do
If obama or mccains becomes president
within the next four years
you to will wish Hillary had that miracle.
for the issues that face us today and in the next four years-Hillary is the one to vote for. she does have the answers to help this country today.
a vote for Hillary today is a vote for helping you

Sure seems like a lot of folks are hating Obama for things that Clinton did or supported.
I’ve had Hillary shoved down my throat for 4 years (by the media) as the next democratic candidate for president and throughout that time I kept asking “who’s gonna vote for her–nobody I know”. I was told it was the democratic elite. Well, I’m an independent.
Obama in ’08.

Whenever Ronald Reagan gave a press conference, female reporters would often wear red dresses, because red was Nancy Reagan’s favorite color and it increased their chances of being called on by the President.
If Hillary Clinton is elected president, will reporters wear blue dresses, in honor of her husband’s penchant for that particular color?

While we are talking about JFK. How about FDR and Eleanor? They both had mistresses.
As for Hillary….she is taking action on the housing fallout when Congress returns to DC. Obama wrote a letter to Bernanke last year. That can hardly be seen as action.

see none of you obama or mccain supports can speak to the isssues in this campaign.
Hillary is the only one talking about the things that will effect you in the next 4 years.
So life must be good for all of you.
the country is going down fast-economy
etc.
and you want to put in an inexperienced
black man as a symbolic victory for president.
as a black person-i do not understand
any poor or middle class working democrate voting for obama is not voting their interest.
and talking about the negative stuff that is being talked about on this blog
will not help anyone. I do not see how it could even make you feel good to talk about it.
black man as

I do wish this Co-Chair had had the cajones to say this before the Iowa vote the other day. Then it would be newsworthy. And I think it would have affected the vote there. On the other hand the negativity of the Obama campaign will affect other votes in states like Texas when they go to the county conventions.
The negativity of Obama’s campaign is just adding more dung to the heap. It is meant to deflect the whole Wright incident, which it has little chance of doing. Instead the more Obama and his underlings go negative, the less likely Obama looks like the agent of change.
The negative comments only serve to aid Clinton. There is no mistake in this.

And yet again, the biggest concern about Obama is what other people say and do, not what Obama himself says and does. This is not the kind of statement Obama advocates or espouses, so let’s try to keep a bit of perspective and judge the candidate for who HE is, not hold him responsible for the words of some of his supporters.

Hillary is a fraud, plain and simple.
They can’t win this primary within the rules, so their goal is to destroy Obama now to pave they way for another power-hungry campaign in 2012.
This latest slimy Clinton propaganda about the electoral college is disgusting. It’s as if these people can’t recognize reality. FACE IT, HILLARY CAN’T WIN. If you people want to destroy the party, you’re going to get what you deserve in the end.

Jay…funny I didn’t even mention Monica or the blue dress in my original post. I stated Clinton brought shame to the office of President and in my opinion shouldn’t be in a position to question anyone’s patriotism.
He left the country to avoid the draft, he lied under oath, he rented out the Lincoln bedroom, he stole furniture and china from the White House, he pardoned a record number of felons and yes he did have sexual relations with “that woman” IN the Oval office. That is no patriot.
There are many other scandals Clinton has been linked to before and during the time he was in office and MORE questionable dealings after he left. To name a few after he left: the uranium deal in Kazakhstan, the ongoing Peter Paul trial, millions of dollars in donations to the William Jefferson Clinton foundation and presidential library, and his dealings with China. These don’t speak to what I consider to be his lack of patriotism but they spell volumes about his lack of character. Clinton has proven over and over he has no personal character.

mg-If you work for a living-have healthcare, anyone going to college in the next 4 years-Hillary is going to help you to.
No matter what you say about her.
When attacking Hillary-attack her on where she is wrong on the isssues that face us. and maybe I will change my mind. if mccain or obama has a better plan. but you see I have read what all have said about the solutions to what ails this country and I know-she has the right answer plus she has good smart solid advisors she can go to
you cannot beat micky cantor, leon panetta, harold ickes, robert rubins, these guys are brilliant-and they all support hillary.
If if need surgery-I want the smartest surgeon there is-and I don’t care what he does in his bedroom. Hillary is the smart one of these three-and that cannot be disputed.

Dogsoldier
I have said it before…
What if rev. Wright was a white vietnam vet who was angry about the treatment of his fellow vets for years.
And on occasion he got up and let his anger show and said the same things Rev. Wright said.
What if you were a member of this church? Would you leave…would you chastise and confront that minister?
Remember I am a blue collar white guy and was initially offended enough to decry Obama…but then I realized, the above story.
…and if people got angry at me for not denouncing that Rev. who watched his fellow vets get consumed by drugs and crime because the country did not take care of it’s citizens.
I want the candidate who disagrees but understands that people like that are fighting for something.

Is this the new kind of politics Obama keeps talking about ? Sounds like dirty politics to me. All these juvenile attempts to distract public’s attention from the Wright fiasco will not work. Wright fiasco and Obama’s attempt to block a re-vote in FL and MI have sealed the deal in November. If Obama is the nominee, McCain will be the President without a doubt.

The Obama supporters either blind or refuse to see the different when compare the blue dress and Ref. Wright. The different is Obama is a willfull accomplish while Hillary is a victim.
When voting for the country leader, personal character probably the most important issue. In the end, we hope to vote for the right person, and trust them to make the right decisions.
My issues with Obama is trust. I can’t trust his words, since there is no action in the past show me that he mean what he said and capable to do what he promise.
Does this make Hillary a saint ? No, but she has been in the lamplight long enough to let me know how the think, what she mean and how much se is capable. It may not be ideal, but I am comfortable with that.
I am an asian, and we value experience.

I care about the Blue dress because it goes to the Character of the Clintons.
The Clintons are sub humans. Period

It’s pretty pathetic what the scheming, triangulating Clintons are doing to the resurgent democratic party. Since she started her “kitchen sink” strategy of personal attacks, how much have you heard about the real issues in this campaign? How has McCain faired as a consequence of her actions?
The bottom line is that Hillary Rodham Clinton doesn’t care about health care. She doesn’t care about trade or the economy. She doesn’t care about the fact she vigorously promoted Bush’s idiotic Iraq war. She doesn’t even care about the democratic party.
All she cares about is keeping a grip on naked power– and she’ll lie, cheat and steal to get it.
DISGUSTING.

Jay
I don’t blame the Clintons for everything…but they have a lot to do with that election in 2000.
…I blame them for using this blinded party for so long… this election has shown that they are fighters… but this election has proven to me …their drive comes from a place that has less to do with this country than it does to them holding office. Those tears that came in NH (if you watch them again) I truly believe came more from her frustration of losing (as she said “this is not a game”) more than the fate of the American people … I think she just REALLY wants to be President.

My Democrat friend voted “Bush” in ’04 stating – “put him in there for another four years so we can throw ALL the Republicans out in ’08.”
If the Superdelagates stick Clinton in there we’ll throw out BOTH parties in ’12.

The Democratic Party in imploding because it is taken over by Far Left activists. Most people do not want that! They vote for centre left or centre right. So a moderate Democrat or a moderate Republican. Obama surely is not centre, he is far left.

Neither Obama nor Hillary can win without the superdelegates (more correctly unpledged delegates). It is who has the most TOTAL delegates at the end and neither can get there with elected/pledged delegates only. No rules are being changed. The argument on electoral state wins is actually a very good argument in terms of a strategy for winning the general election.
For those who are ignorant of Democratic Party history… After 1968, they tried elected delegates only and it was chaos so unpledged delegates (party leaders) were added back in to bring some wisdom to the process…. which also includes setting the Democratic platform.

Dogsoldier: You mistake my meaning of the word “props.” I was using it as a term of applause – in that Hilary focused on the housing issue and put forth a proposal.
I’m not a Hilary supporter, but this is more of what voters need to hear.

Hillary is just another power-obsessed Washington insider who talks out of both sides of her mouth. The Clintons are masters of personal attack politics, whether it’s war hero Bod Dole, or rising star Obama.
The question you have to ask yourself is…
After all these years in power, when has Hillary really stuck her neck out and led effectively?
She spectacularly failed in the healthcare debate.
She spectacularly failed in judgement on the Iraq invasion.
She was wrong, and then lied, about her position on NAFTA.
She single-handedly turned the Democratic Presidential Primary into a tearful, distorted, negative slime-fest.
I think the evidence is plain to see. She can get power, but can’t lead. We don’t need another president singing that tune.

This long time Republican/closet Democrat who was actually willing to vote Obama this time around has now made the decision to VOTE McCAIN. Bitchy Democrats. BTW don’t think I am alone.

That 5 million that Clinton lent her campaign – where did that money come from? The Clintons were flat broke after her 2000 campaign.
Guess that Senatorial seat has some pretty nice fringe benefits, eh?

BKMC-(Now before you answer-go and take the time to check this-I did)
Obama has not had one solution to the issues that face us to come out that came before Hillary put hers out.
She was always first.
Obama-had hillary school him on national tv. in the last debate about how he should respond to the Black Muslim leader.
He is being used by axelrod, bradley, and co. obama said it himself that he was not ready yet to be president-do you remember how the republicans put
alan keyes up to run against obama-just to be a spoiler-well that is what axelrod and co. did with obama in this race. go back and watch the debates-obama can give a speech. but when you ask him questtions about the issues-he starts to stumble in his speech. the current president that we have did and does the same thing. we do not need a president in training.
as an african american female-after hillary 08 and she gets the mess the country is in straigtened out-and he has had a chance to increase his political resume a little more-If he runs again I will vote for obama-but not now. things are to bad right now for a him to go in and try to feel his way around the presidency.
clinton/edwards 08′ YEA!

Jackt51-Guess you’ll be marching with Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson in Denver. Buy running shoes. You’ll need them. Furthermore, Hillary can drop out tomorrow and SAY she supports Obama but no one on this side will change a thing. Get used to us we’ll be with you every day from here on in.

Hey… lookup… Clinton said nothing wrong and he did not lie… yet the Obama campaign INFERRED a sleight and went on direct attack against a two-term former (and popular) Democratic President. Now that is an act of desperation of the kind that will splinter the party.
No time during this campaign has Hillary or Bill Clinton said anything so disgusting. All so-called Clinton “attacks” against Obama have been based on inference made by the Obama campaign and emailed to the media. No Clinton lies… just phony reactions from thin-skinned looking-for-a-fight Obama people.

“The point is he’s directly affiliated with the Obama campaign and he was invoking the blue dress.”
Which any serious journalist, reader and voter would consider to be a non-point.
4000 Americans died in the war of Bush, Clinton and McCain.

Myths the Obama camp is circulating a bout Clinton:
MYTH 1: Barack Obama is running a positive campaign that will unite Americans.
FACT 1: Barack Obama and his advisers have conducted a divisive “full assault” on Hillary’s character.
While talking a lot about the politics of hope, change and unity, Sen. Obama and his campaign have been conducting a relentless and singularly personal assault on Hillary’s character. They have blanketed big states with false negative mailers and radio ads and have described Hillary and her campaign as “disingenuous,” “divisive,” “untruthful,” “dishonest,” “polarizing,” “calculating,” “saying whatever it takes to win,” “attempting to deceive the American people,” “one of the most secretive in America,” “deliberately misleading,” “literally willing to do anything to win,” and “playing politics with war.”
This “full assault” on Hillary’s integrity and character has reached a new peak since Hillary’s victories on March 4th. One of Sen. Obama’s top surrogates equated President Clinton with Joe McCarthy; another called Hillary a “monster;” and his campaign manager held an angry conference call claiming that Hillary is “deeply flawed” and has “character issues.” That’s neither unifying nor hopeful. If Sen. Obama really is the prohibitive favorite some say he is, these negative attacks make absolutely no sense. Why would a frontrunner seek to attack and divide? If Sen. Obama can’t unify Democrats in a primary, how can he unify Americans in a general election?
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MYTH 2: The delegate “math” works decisively against Hillary.
FACT 2: The delegate math reflects an extremely close race that either candidate can win.
“The Math” is actually very simple: with hundreds of delegates still uncommitted, NEITHER candidate has reached the number of delegates required to secure the nomination. And EITHER candidate can reach the required number in the coming weeks and months. That is indisputable. No amount of editorials, articles, blog posts, charts, graphs, calculations, formulas, or projections will change the basic fact that either candidate can win. Pundits who confidently proclaim that Hillary has no hope of winning because of “the math,” have counted Hillary out of this race three times before. Each time they based their sober assessments on ‘facts’ and ‘realities’ — and each time they were wrong.
In a campaign with dozens of unexpected twists and turns, bold prognostications should be viewed with a healthy dose of skepticism. Look no further than Sen. Obama’s “full assault” on Hillary’s character to judge whether he thinks this election is over. The fact is this: Hillary and Sen. Obama are locked in a very close, hard-fought campaign and Hillary is demonstrating precisely the strength of character required of a president. Her resilience in the face of adversity, her faith in the voters, her capacity to rise to every challenge, are part of the reason she is the best general election candidate for Democrats. And it is why she is increasingly strong against John McCain in the polls at the same time that Sen. Obama is dropping against Sen. McCain.
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MYTH 3: For Hillary to win, super delegates must “overturn the will of the people.”
FACT 3: The race is virtually tied, the “will of the people” is split, and both candidates need super delegates to win.
The Obama campaign and Sen. Obama’s surrogates have engaged in a sustained public relations effort to convince people that the election is over and that if super delegates perform their established role of choosing a candidate who they believe will make the best nominee and president, they are somehow “overturning the will of the people.” They have the audacity to make this argument while quietly and systematically courting those very same super delegates. They are courting them because they know that Sen. Obama needs super delegates to win. The Obama spin is being parroted daily by pundits, but it is patently false. The race is virtually tied; the “will of the people” is split. By virtually every measure, Hillary and Sen. Obama are neck and neck — separated by less than 130 of the more than 3,100 delegates committed thus far and less than 1% of the 27 million+ votes cast, including Florida and Michigan. Less than 1%.
An incremental advantage for one candidate or the other is hardly a reason for super delegates to change the rules mid-game. Despite the Obama campaign’s aggressive spin and pressure, the RULES require super delegates to exercise their best independent judgment, and that is what they will do. Even Sen. Obama’s top strategist agrees they should. If not, then why don’t prominent Obama endorsers like Senators Kerry (MA) and Kennedy (MA), and Governors Patrick (MA), Napolitano (AZ) and Richardson (NM) follow the will of their constituents and switch their support to Hillary? After all, she won their states. And if this is truly about the “will of the people,” then Sen. Obama’s short-sighted tactic to run out the clock on a revote in Florida and Michigan accomplishes exactly two things: it disenfranchises Florida and Michigan’s voters; and it hurts Democrats in a general election. Apparently, for the Obama campaign, the “will of the people” is just words.
I’m just sick of Obama who is so divisive and bad for America!

Jacko-Part of my job lad. I know it like the back of my own hand. I work in the oil sector with the Canadians and under NAFTA we get direct access to their oil. Without NAFTA the Canadian would sell most to China and India, better prices. BTW, Canada, second largest oil reserves on earth, is OUR number one oil supplier, number one gas supplier, number one electricity foreign supplier, number one light metals supplier and number one heavy metals supplier.

Hillary Clinton Lies.
She lied about Bosnia. She lied about the sniper fire. She did it in a speech to the American people.
George Bush lied about Iraq.
There are 4,000 dead soldiers.
There are 30,000 wounded soldiers.
Where will Hillary Clinton’s LIES take us?
How many soldiers will die?
How many homes or jobs will be lost?
Hillary Clinton is a corporate hack.
Hillary Clinton will not help the middle class. Hillary and Bill Clinton are just another pair of rich jet setters.
Go ahead, listen to the media.
Buy her lies.
Hillary and Bill have been bought.

In the film THE PAPER the object was to get the story in print and THEN print the retraction. The point being, it was IN PRINT whether it was true or not. Sadly, this technique is being used to great effect on this campaign.

go to 101 reasons why hillary is more qualified to be president

Apparently most of you people commenting here are watching a different campaign. Name one divisive thing that Sen Obama has done…not his surrogates like this Iowa guy. Name one! Clinton, on the other hand, started with her bizarre change in personality (what little she has) after getting whipped on Super Tuesday and in the Potomac Primaries, employing what HER campaign called their “kitchen sink” strategy – seemingly threatening him to a duel in Ohio; throwing the kitchen sink at him; noting that she and the true enemy, the republican opponent, have passed some imaginary commander-in-chief test that she developed in her mind; puffing up her story on her equally imaginary “experience” and claiming that all he has is a speech; offering him the vice presidential slot on her ticket when he is in fact winning in an effort to persuade his voters to come over to her; disingeniously claiming that the MI & FL debacles are somehow Obama’s fault – knowing full well of the rules beforehand that she agreed to when she thought she would “have the nomination wrapped up by Super Tuesday.” These are mere examples of the divisive tactics that HRC PERSONALLY engaged in. The list could go on and on, as you know. So I defy any of you HRC supporters or surrogates to name one divisive thing that he has done. HRC’s (and your) claims that it is Obama who is being negative and divisive are as disingenuous as her (your) claims over MI & FL.

I am not sure about any thing when it comes to Obama except his PR has really laid some BS on us. And I have in laws in Iowa who have no intention of voting for him but think its funny they could play around and help him get where he is. And I know Hillary has just as much chance of winning as he does .

What’s the big deal. All’s fair in love and war. And the way both sides are dishing it out, it’s definately war. And yes, Hillary’s campaign is doing the same thing. The party is broken. Say hello to President McCain

Who care what Gordon Fisher thinks? Obama’s campaign talk about a “change” – new kind of politics? Where is that “change”? Did I miss the memo?
What does Monica Lewinsky have to do with anything? Talk about living in the past! Same politician name calling. Obama’s campaign is loaded with former Clinton advisers/aides/surrogates. His campaign is not about politics of change it’s about politics of a vendetta!
For me… this is about Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. Not Bill Clinton. Nor Michelle Obama. By the way, interesting we have not seen much of Michelle Obama in the media since her last anti-American remarks. I guess the Obama camp put her on ice for a while. After the Rev. Wright scandal.
I did some research the last couple of weekends, trying to get to know Obama more. As a community organizer in Chicago, Obama failed at that job. A pattern I’ve noticed. The concept of ‘change” seems to be new to him. Nothing change while he was in office in Illinois, except Obama’s titles. Barack Obama is a opportunist, not a change maker.
Many of Obama’s former coworkers/personal staff members refer to him as being unorganized, not attentive, unproductive, even lazy and not a team player. Very fascinating to research some of this stuff. If you are really serious about this election, turn off the TV. The MSM is selling you on a candidate. Objectively spend sometime on the Internet doing in depth research of Barack Obama’s career. Eye Opening.

you are right Vanessa,
We want Hillary for President
not the dui advisor.
Hillary/Edwards 08′ Great!

Vanessa, Who is running for President in 2008?
what are the issues?

You know, the Obama people do not listen with comprehension. You cannot infer from Clinton’s comment that he was questioning Obama’s patriotism. Inferential language; it’s just not there.
Again, it’s a good thing this primary has gone on longer than “business as usual.” It’s given the country a longer period to observe Obama’s behavior. The more I observe, the less i care for Obama.

and the great one himself,Obama, is on the radio talking about a photo with Bill Clinton and his racist pastor Wright while throwing in a cheap shot about Bill’s personal problems. The same Obama who whined about the photo of him wearing a turban being shown. Obama really does think people are stupid and don’t know the difference between a photo-op with a 20-year mentor-protege relationship.

JackT,
I though Obama was a unifier on issues. He’s going to unify the country around the war. McCain wants 100 years. Hillary says six months. What’s Obama going to do, split the difference and make it 50 years? The audacity of hope!
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COUNT Florida!
COUNT Michigan!
COUNT all the votes!
HILLARY stands up for all voters!
BOYCOTT the DNC til all votes count!
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My Perdition is John Edwards will endorse Obama for President before the primary in Pennsylvania. You heard it here.

I thought the analogy was pretty good. No question Bill Clinton has finally reduced himself to………Bill Clinton.
He’s an airbag!

Why is no one other than the Washington Post talking about Clinton’s blatant lie about running from sniper fire in Bosnia?
This has been ticking me off all weekend. The story ran in Washington Post last week with photo but as far as I can tell it hasn’t run in other major print media and it doesn’t seem to be covered in MSM broadcast at all. I think both candidates have been guilty of stretching the truth. The WP article and the video expose her sniper fire comments as a blatant LIE that goes beyond stretching the truth. Why is no one picking up on this?

thanks Westcoast
no more replys to vanessa,
sorry vanessa-
we believe the children are our future-teach them well and let them lead the way.
Hillary has a plan to reign in the student loan companies-to make it more affordable for our young people to go to college.
mccain has a plan for you to pay for college also-go and fight in his 50-100year war and if you make it back-you can get some funds for college. but you have to go and fight first.

Keep bashing each other, Democrats. McCain in ’08. Neither Hillary or Barack are qualified to be Commander in Chief.

Lookup – If Edwards endorses anyone I predict it will be Clinton. The Obama camp must be pretty desperate because
this past week they and their surrogates
have been sounding pretty “old politics” to me.

Gosh the Clintons think the truth hurts when they hit below the belt so someone needs to tell Clinton to stop bawling about getting called on the trugh.

New Rasmussen poll has McCain leading both Hillary and Obama. Whooo hooo!
I thought the GOP was so unpopular?! ha ha.

Jackt51-There were between 46,000 and 51,000 Americans casualties in the three-day Battle of Gettysburg. A battle to free the black man from bondage. White men on both sides. That alone is why we on this side stand up to the Reverend Wrights of this world who swear on America and who curse the white man and who condemn the white man. And that is why we on this side will never back down on Obama for supporting this man. Yes, 4000 more American heroes gave their lives for the freedoms of a people in a place few of know or understand. I will remember those heroes and I know in the deepest part of my soul how beautiful this gift of freedom is and how terrible its cost. Perhaps in some far off future a child from that part of the world will someday look back at America and say THIS is a country I want MY country to emulate for we have known its treasure.

Why are democrats trying to portray that 4000 in a 5 year war which is trying to democratize a region in the Middle East is a high number? It’s not. 4000 is actually very low. And those soldiers think it’s worth it.

Guys-
You really need to Read
“Hillary’s Nasty Pastorate” from The Nation. This is CRAZY!

I think Hillary and Obama can both say “Hello President McCain” if they don’t stop the finger-pointing and destroying the democratic party.
Obama and his Pastor Wright’s comments.
Hillary and her taking credit for Bill’s accomplishments.
I can’t believe it. The last one with her saying she was ducking sniper fire and that Bill couldn’t go because “it was too dangerous?”
I’m going to vote for Hillary but she needs to stop trying to take credit for Bill’s time as President. I like her but only because I’m not crazy about Obama.
If she continues I may uust stay home on election day.

4000 dead in a 5 year war with the important mission of making Iraq a democracy is LOW, people, LOW. So keep bringing it up – it actually shows it hasn’t been that bad. I believe 58,000 died in the first few days of the Civil War. Do democrats know their history at all?

“Hillary’s Nasty Pastorate” I read it, too.
What the hell is she thinking?!@@$

Lookup: Hillary was on the board, she worked for equal pay for women employees. Michelle Obama was on the board at WAlMart until just recently, when her salary at the University of Chicago Hospital went up 200% (to $300,000/year) once her husband became a Senator. Do your research.

OBAMA REFUSED TO WEAR AN AMERICA FLAG PIN AFTER 9-11, DOESN’T COVER HIS HEART WITH HIS RIGHT HAND WHEN THE STAR-SPANGLED BANNER(NATIONAL ANTHEM) IS PLAYED AND GOES TO A GOD-DAM AMERICA CHURCH. HE LOOKS LIKE THE UNPATRIOTIC ONE TO ME. SEE THE VIDEO ON YOU TUBE- IS OBAMA WRIGHT? AND CHECK IT OUT FOR YOURSELF. MCCAIN’S AID GOT FIRED BECAUSE OF THIS VIDEO.

Barack The Black Panther may have had a chance till Rev. Wright got outted, but there’s no chance in hell now. Average Americans think that church & the pastor are scary. And 20 years is a long, long, long time.

Here we go again.
The same thing they accused Hillary of about MLK remark after NH victory, they are doing again about Bill speech in NC. The Obama camp purposely misinterprete Bill Clinton remark once again for political sympathy just like in SC.
There is no doubt that the Obama camp is very slimmy in their tactic and we will not forget in November should he win the nomination.

First off, I’m an independent looking for a candidate to support. I don’t see much difference in these three. Obama having to apologize for ANOTHER remark made by somebody in his camp?! Wow, this is becoming a habit. Makes you wonder about his judgement…who is he going to appoint if he’s elected? It’s hard to trust a person when he is constantly reputiating people he has surrounded himself with over the years. Talk is cheap, I want to see results. Everything he is showing me isn’t good.
Hillary’s is no better. She’s still married to Bill. Need I say more. Her politics isn’t much better than her judgement.
They’re both taking credit for things they didn’t do…slinging mud like two adolescents in a rain storm. They both better hope that Dems don’t read mccain.com. He sounds like a lot of moderate Democrats (minus his war stance and no on socialized medicine).
I just don’t see much diffence in them. Somebody please show me something.

Why would be want a Democrat candidate that generates so much hate as Obama is doing?

They have to go back sixteen years to get something nasty to say about a President who had friends with benefits if Hillary don’t mind why the h-ll should I. He was still the best only two term president since FDR Go HIllARY

Larry – The difference between the Dem does not exist, they both believe in socialism and elitist are only allowed to have money.
McCain believes in this country, though he is a Republican, he reminds me more of the old democrat party!

Ask Barack about:
Rev. Wright
Larry Sinclair
Rev. Meeks
William Ayers
Tony Rezko
Adios Barack. You’re just another corrupt Chicago politician.

Vanessa, you must have a lot of pages of information that you cut and paste. Just how much are you being paid by the Obama campaign? You should know that Hsu also gave money to Obama, and he gave it to charity, delete Hsu from you template, it could cause you problems. What about REZKO’s $250,000 contribution to Obama? Anything to say on that?

Hillary needs to explain her affiliation to “The Fellowship” This is beyond nasty!

svsolis, grow up and leave Vanessa alone. She has a right to her opinion just like everyone else here

WOW
Just found out about Clinton’s ultra-right wing secret prayer “cell” as they call it.
Why the heck aren’t they talking about that on CNN? It’s like skull and bones on steroids.
It makes Reverend Wright sound like child’s play.
No wonder she’s always siding with right wing causes. She is a right-wing cause.

Sam, I’m sure that Vanessa can speak for herself.

Annoy the media: vote for Hillary

What is “Hillary’s Nasty Pastorate” all about? Has anyone else read it?

Larry the independent
None of the three are perfect human beings-we are just beginning to find out how imperfect obama is-after he has fooled so many into voting for him but of the three Hillary does hav a good command of the issues;
She know the problems we are facing and has a plan to get this country back on the right track
on Healthcare, economy, ending the war
student loans, and she is the only one still out there talking about them
now if obama and co. would get out of the jerry springer mode-maybe he can come up with something that is not copying her.
If you want someone who knows what and how to help this country-go with Hillary
If you want someone-who is inexperienced but will make black people (I am black) feel good-because the rich who are supporting obama it does not matter to them who is in office-and obama helps them to feel good too.-but he has no clue how to lead this country right again.
If you want someone who is probally going to go down in history as being worst than LBJ on the war-go with mccain and his 50-100 year war.
and get ready to stand in a soup line
because we will all be there to fund his war. and he will probally not survive it either. 76 or 80 years old.

smnthawho-
You can read an article about it in “The Nation,” or on CBSnews.com towards the bottom of the first page.
This is twisted stuff Hillary is a part of. Can’t say, I’m too happy being a clinton supporter…they support NAZISM. That’s a problem.

Maureen Dowd of the NYT wrote: “Republicans are salivating over Reverend Wright’s “God damn America” imprecation and his post-9/11 “America’s chickens coming home to roost” crack, combined with Michelle Obama’s aggrieved line about belatedly feeling really proud of her country.”
What did Maureen mean when she said republicans? Heck, us Clinton supporters love the good reverend. Put him back up on that pulpit I say!

fischer – apology not accepted.
obama campaign not negative – yeah right!
blue dress vs. unpatriotic – i’ll take the blue dress.

It’s nice to see that the Obama campaign agrees that these remarks are stupid and pointless. Now, when will Hillary tell Bill that?

You sure don’t give 17 year olds any credit because of their age. They do have minds of their own you know. Just because they don’t agree with what you say you srug it off to them being young and immature. I have a 17 and 19 year old that are very much political junkies.

I am more up set that I, cannot vote for John Edwards, if Michigan is going to have a re vote, he had not dropped out of the race when my state had their primaries, but abided by the rules that Howard Dean.(who ran for President) made up for the democratic party..and did not have his name on the ballot, along with Barak, both these names should be on the ballot if a re vote is allowed… Edwards has some super delegate votes, and some delegates to release..

ELECT a WOMAN to clean the house, after bush-
It’s pretty significant being in a cult that supports NAZISM.

you’ve gotta be kidding me – THIS is what you blog about? Where the hell is the Clinton/Bosnia story – its blowing up! NYTimes just picked up the story, get in the game, Tapper

What the “H” is going on in the Obama camp? Obama is this the reconciliation you seek, you’re advisers saying pretty dumb things that are offending all Democrats(e.g. Richardson’s view on the McCarthy comments). However, this is not the only mess up so far in the last 3 days for the Obama camp. When the Wright controversey first came out, I wasn’t too angered about it. However, it started to set in and now I am frustrated with Obama for his recent actions concerning it. Obama claims he wants this issue to die down, okay why release the photo of Clinton and Wright(Is anyone even talking about this photo, No they are talking about you and Wright, thanks for the reminder), and why of all the days should you choose to talk about the politicts let alone the Wright issue on EASTER of all days. This really got under my skin. For some reason Obama mentions the Wright controversey and compares it to a crusifixion. I have a number of problems with this, first why are you given an interview on Easter, whatever happened to keeping days holy. Secondly, how could you compare the Crusifixion(on Easter I might add) to the Wright controversey; I don’t care what your context is, this comparsion is ludicrous. You can defend Wright all you want, he has a right to say what he wants. I’m going to plead ignorance on what happens in African American churches but I doubt that the central theme is any different from any church in the U.S, the law of love procedes everything else. When I go to church there is a reading from the Bible and than the priest gives his interpretation of it and applies it to our lives. Basically, he is using the Bible and the words of Jesus to support his sermon. When Wright(or any revrend, preacher, priest, etc.) says things hateful(can anyone tell me why he gave a sermon on or even mentioned Hillary Clinton not knowing what it is to be black, this has no place in church), he is basically alluding that the Bible supports his view. WRONG! Such hateful comments, regardless of history, is the opposite of Jesus’s teachings and a corruption of Christianity. This is what angers me about the whole Wright controversey hatred has no place in the house of God, it is a corruption of why people go to Church. Yes the anger is real Obama, yes all oppressed people have a right to be angry; however, no one has a right to corrupt the Bible in order to fuel such anger, and the house of God should not act as a vessell towards increasing one’s anger. I’m not even a religious person but Obama’s treatment, not Wright, has really angered me. For all those people who yell out LET THIS ISSUE DIE ALREADY, that’s fine with me, but please tell Obama’s campaign and him to do so first!

Elect a woman and you get a womanizer!! Where was the NOW when this degenerate was staining the blue dress?
Elect Hillary and we get Slick Cigar Store Willy.
She has no chance and is ruining the Democratic party by staying in what is not even a race.
Hey pardon me Hillary I will donate again…and get my slaves to donate too or else…
Your friend Hsu

I’m an Obama supporter, and I strongly disapprove of Hillary’s cheapshots and underhanded tactics. There is no way she can win the nomination without superdelegates overturning the will of the majority of Democrats, a tactic that will virtually ensure her defeat in November. And the longer she stays in and deflects fire from McCain, the harder it will be for Obama to win in November.
That said, on the off chance she manages to pull of this stunt, I’ll support her to the fullest in November. All of my fellow Democrats need to pledge to do the same. Right now, in the heat of the battle, it’s easy to get worked up and vow never to vote for the other Democrat (I’m guilty of this myself). But think about it, people. That’s the most juvenile approach to politics imaginable. Does anyone really believe McCain would be a better president than Clinton or Obama? Seriously? The guy has no economic agenda other than more tax cuts (and even more deficits) and can’t tell the difference between Iran and al Qaeda. Not the type of president I want running the show.

But Obama is above the fray, remember? He wasn’t going toget down in the gutter, remember? What a hypocrite.

There are two speedbumps Obama must deal with.. the first is now, when people realize he has some warts and isn’t the second coming of Jack Kennedy. The second is when people actually start looking at the policies – “Change” starts to sound an awful lot like the Great Society Part Deux. Marginal tax rates of over 50%? Repudiation of treaties with Canada and Mexico?
Senator Obama has no history of being a uniter, of crossing the aisle when it mattered. Is that just supposed to ‘appear’ after the election?

The Clinton’s will do anything when it comes to prowling for power, Obama is a sheep to the Clinton Wolves like Wolfson, Carville, and Begala. Hillary cannot win the nomination now but she can sure make it hard for Obama to win the presidency in 2008, so she can run agsin in 2012!

Obama is such a scam:
TO THE PUBLIC: Oh I want to talk about issues and eschew the politics of personal assassination
TO AXELROD: Get out there and mess that lady up.
TO PRESS (after Axelrod’s thugs are done): I think this is so wrong and unnecessary and hope that SENATOR CLINTON and my (now disavowed for the moment peon) assistants can keep things focussed on policy
TO AXELROD: Find some new piece of dirt to throw at Clinton but make sure you use someone else so I can continue top claim “clean hands”
When will the press stop this slavering over Senator Obama.
I am NOT a BIG fan of Sen. Clinton, but I feel like I am being railroaded by the press and the DNC establishment to participate in some form of Clinton lynching.
For what purpose.

The Clinton camp just can’t stand it when their own trash is thrown back at them. They can dish it out but they can’t take it. Bill’s big mouth needs to be duct-taped shut. I used to admire the man, now I can’t stand him. His chummy-chummy relationship with Bush Sr has made him a little more Republican than I find acceptable. He’s destroying his own legacy… what’s left of it.

I find it totally tasteless that Bill Clinton is even addressing the VFW. We all know he is a coward from the word go and he proved it with the slaughter of our troops all over the world…including the 1st bombing of the WTC.

DogBitez-Bring it, lad. We’re big boys we can take the hard sledding. Can Obama?

Grant – According to the political pundits, Obama’s supporters are the educated ones who make more than $50K per year.

Chukkal-Tasteless? So, what’s your thoughts on Obama’s TWENTY YEARS of silent protest in Reverend Wright’s church?

Just saw my the first Goddamn America vote Obama 08 bumper sticker today! Obama thinks this is going away? Rev. Wright the gift that just keeps on giving!

Where in the World is Waldo Wright?

Gordon Fischer should be made to stepdown as an Obama Advisor. Shameful and vulgar.

gfm2008-Nader? Isn’t he the guy who enabled George Bush to win the White House from Al Gore?

Why no mention of James Carville calling Gov. Richardson Judas. That seems worse than mentioning a blue dress – that is true.

The “blue dress” is a legitimate issue. The most noteworthy commentary in the recent Obama/Clinton Austin debate was Hillary’s closing comment. A subtle and exceedingly well choreographed re-play of the “victim card” which has thus far been so eminently successful for her. Still again holding back the tears, Hillary inferred that she was the most qualified to be Commander-In-Chief because she “had been tested” by the public humiliation that she was forced to endure with the forced admission of Bill’s Monica caper. The unfortunate truth is that in the absence of the astute retention of the infamous “blue dress”, Hillary would have led the savaging-brigade against Monica precisely as she had done against Jennifer Flowers, Juanita Broderick, Paula Jones, Kathleen Wiley, etc., etc.. Of course, the by-invitation-only audience took the bait “hook, line and sinker”.
The real question is do we want Hillary, the serial enabler, and Bill, the serial groper, to once again have the opportunity to scandalize the White House and the Presidency? Greg Neubeck

Hillary did not answer any phone at 3 AM in the White House, ot more likely was Monica. Heck, Hillary did not even know where Bill was at 3 AM let alone what was happening in the world? Bill was a great orator but prefer oral sex that he claimed was not sex either? Hillary was a terrible wife that is why Bill ran to other women!

Russell-Don’t you just love democratic politics?

westcoast… juvenile but he organized a campaign that has won 30 states; where he didn’t have to put in a personal check like Hillary who has the juvenile campaign what about Wolfson and Ferraro and please don’t forget Bill. if you want to vote for Hillary then try to find an educated reason why otherwise keep your ignorant, lack of knowledge opinion to yourself.

Greg Neubeck – “The real question is do we want Hillary, the serial enabler, and Bill, the serial groper, to once again have the opportunity to scandalize the White House and the Presidency?”
No, actually, the real question )for any thinking, patriotic American) is which of the three candidates is most likely to be successful given the current threats to our country: Islamic terrorism, economic sabotage from our trading partners, and subversion of the country by people like George Soros, who funds half the foaming-at-the-mouth left-wing blog sites in the country.
Duh.

The Clinton’s should fire back at Obama and question the judgement let alone honesty of a man who would sit and absorb such racial hatred and America bashing that Obama has for the last 20 years with his buddy Rev. Wright. Obama is a con man and will divide not only the pathetic Democrat party, but all of America right down racial lines.
Obama is further revealed as a liar when he claimed today that he isn’t a liberal. His voting record proves otherwise. If he does succeed in stealing the election through voter fraud, a well known tactic of Chicago area Democrats, the American people will soon realize it and the Republicans will retake the House and Senate in the next election cycles. Then Obama will be nothing more than a seat warmer for the Republican who is elected in 2012.
And the alternative is Hillary? The Democratic party will go the way of the Whigs. What a bunch of clowns.

Herm: I thought Obama went to Harvard. How long does it take a Harvard graduate to understand that his preacher is a racist hate monger? No he is not responsible for what he says but he is culpable for not leaving.

Dogsoldier, no one has said that Obama is responsible for Rev. Wright’s statements. What people understand is that Obama has been indoctrinated by that hatemonger for the last 20 years and only disavowed Wright’s statements when he got caught. You don’t call a guy like Wright your spiritual advisor and make him an advisor to your campaign unless you agree with him politically. You can make up excuses all you want but anyone with an IQ above 60 knows Obama is a racist, America hating con man. And his behavior shows and incredible lack of judgement for someone who wants to lead this country.

Russell-That is much too deep for the Obama supporters.

Dogsolider: Like Will Roger once said I don’t belong to any organized political party I am a Democrat!

Jackt51: “Obama 2008 — Yes, WE CAN!!!”
But NO, WE WON’T!!!!!!”

Come on Obama is this all you got “Monster” “Blue Dress” “McCarthy” “Racist” you going to have to do better than that if you want to hurt Bill and Hillary! Her pantsuits are made out of asbestos! Bring it on!

Gordon Fischer is being “let off the hook” for making these vicious comments about an ex-president.
This is the way Sen. Obama gets his jabs out there. He is allowing these people to speak on his behalf and then pretends to not condone these attacks when they come back to roost on his front doorstep. This is not the politics we have come to expect from Sen. Obama and his camp of “merry men”.
This IS the type of comments we have come to expect out of politicians that will do and say anything to get elected. And I think THIS is a prime example of WHAT Sen. Obama truly demonstrates. He is that type of politician.
If he wasn’t then he would agree to let Michigan and Florida have their “re-vote” and have their votes count in this primary season. But currently he won’t allow it. He has instructed his foot soldiers, like Fischer here, to act in his behalf and stonewall any attempt at an agreement.
This has got to stop. Sen. Obama says one thing and does something quite different.
Simply saying,
Wynter

Obama’s people make such a big deal about Ferraro’s comments and she left the campaign, why is it Obama’s henchman can make remarks and do not leave the campaign!! Such a hypocrite, thats why Clinton supporters will not vote for Obama and some will vote for Mccain!! What about Obama making such remarks about Imus, and still defends the Reverand!! Thank God we have a choice to vote in Pa.

What we can expect from the Clintons in the White House, more lies about what they did and did not do: Here 1 of them:
“I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base.”
–Hillary Clinton, speech at George Washington University, March 17, 2008.
Hillary Clinton has been regaling supporters on the campaign trail with hair-raising tales of a trip she made to Bosnia in March 1996. In her retelling, she was sent to places that her husband, President Clinton, could not go because they were “too dangerous.” When her account was challenged by one of her traveling companions, the comedian Sinbad, she upped the ante and injected even more drama into the story. In a speech earlier this week, she talked about “landing under sniper fire” and running for safety with “our heads down.”
There are numerous problems with Clinton’s version of events.
The Facts
(Updated below)
As a reporter who visited Bosnia soon after the December 1995 Dayton Peace agreement, I can attest that the physical risks were minimal during this period, particularly at a heavily fortified U.S. Air Force base, such as Tuzla. Contrary to the claims of Hillary Clinton and former Army secretary Togo West, Bosnia was not “too dangerous” a place for President Clinton to visit in early 1996. In fact, the first Clinton to visit the Tuzla Air Force base was not Hillary, but Bill, on January 13, 1996.
Had Hillary Clinton’s plane come “under sniper fire” in March 1996, we would certainly have heard about it long before now. Numerous reporters, including the Washington Post’s John Pomfret, covered her trip. A review of nearly 100 news accounts of her visit shows that not a single newspaper or television station reported any security threat to the First Lady. “As a former AP wire service hack, I can safely say that it would have been in my lead had anything like that happened,” said Pomfret.
According to Pomfret, the Tuzla airport was “one of the safest places in Bosnia” in March 1996, and “firmly under the control” of the 1st Armored Division.
Far from running to an airport building with their heads down, Clinton and her party were greeted on the tarmac by smiling U.S. and Bosnian officials. An eight-year-old Moslem girl, Emina Bicakcic, read a poem in English. An Associated Press photograph of the greeting ceremony, above, shows a smiling Clinton bending down to receive a kiss.
“There is peace now,” Emina told Clinton, according to Pomfret’s report in the Washington Post the following day, “because Mr. Clinton signed it. All this peace. I love it.”
The First Lady’s schedule, released on Wednesday and available here, confirms that she arrived in Tuzla at 8.45 a.m. and was greeted by various dignitaries, including Emina Bicakcic, (whose name has mysteriously been redacted from the document.)
You can see CBS News footage of the arrival ceremony here. The footage shows Clinton walking calmly out of the back of the C-17 military transport plane that brought her from Ramstein Air Force Base in Germany.
Among the U.S. officials on hand to greet Clinton at the airport was Maj. Gen. William Nash, the commander of U.S. troops in Bosnia. Nash told me that he was unaware of any security threat to Clinton during her eight-hour stay in Tuzla. He said, however, that Clinton had a “busy schedule” and may have got the impression that she was being hurried on her way. See clarification below.
According to Sinbad, who provided entertainment on the trip along with the singer Sheryl Crow, the “scariest” part was deciding where to eat. As he told Mary Ann Akers of The Post, “I think the only ‘red-phone’ moment was: ‘Do we eat here or at the next place.’” Sinbad questioned the premise behind the Clinton version of events. “What kind of president would say ‘Hey man, I can’t go ’cause I might get shot so I’m going to send my wife. Oh, and take a guitar player and a comedian with you.”
Replying to Sinbad earlier this week, Clinton dismissed him as “a comedian.” Her campaign referred me to Togo West, who was also on the trip and is a staunch Hillary supporter. West could not remember “sniper fire” himself, but said there was no reason to doubt the First Lady’s version of events. “Everybody’s perceptions are different,” he told me.
Clinton made no mention of “sniper fire” in her autobiography “Living History,” published in 2003, although she did say there were “reports of snipers” in the hills around the airport.
UPDATE Friday 6:45 p.m.
Lissa Muscatine, who served as Hilary Clinton’s chief speechwriter in 1996 and accompanied her on the Bosnia trip, feels that I have failed to provide a full picture of what took place. She gave me her “vivid recollections” of the arrival in Tuzla, which I quote below:
I was on the plane with then First Lady Hillary Clinton for the trip from Germany into Bosnia in 1996. We were put on a C17– a plane capable of steep ascents and descents — precisely because we were flying into what was considered a combat zone. We were issued flak jackets for the final leg because of possible sniper fire near Tuzla. As an additional precaution, the First Lady and Chelsea were moved to the armored cockpit for the descent into Tuzla. We were told that a welcoming ceremony on the tarmac might be canceled because of sniper fire in the hills surrounding the air strip. From Tuzla, Hillary flew to two outposts in Bosnia with gunships escorting her helicopter.
UPDATE Saturday 8:45 a.m.
Gen. Nash says that I misquoted him in saying he was unaware of any “security threat” to the First Lady. While he was unaware of any “sniper threat,” he now tells me there were a couple of “security concerns” that day, which he found out about after returning to his headquarters after greeting Clinton at the airport. There was a “non-specific report” of a possible truck bomb in the area. The military also had information that “some of the communications associated with the First Lady’s visit were being monitored.”
“In both cases, we took appropriate security action,” said Nash, adding that Clinton’s visit was not disrupted.
Anybody else with first-hand memories of Clinton’s Tuzla trip, please send them along.
The Pinocchio Test:
Clinton’s tale of landing at Tuzla airport “under sniper fire” and then running for cover is simply not credible. Photographs and video of the arrival ceremony, combined with contemporaneous news reports, tell a very different story. Four Pinocchios.

Where did the message of Hope and Change go?
What happened to a clean campaign?
I thought Obama campaign stated no dirty politics?
Obama campaign is getting increasingly negative and playing dirty tricks, its even focusing on Bill Clinton past and not on the important things. Can someone please tell the Obama campaign that we the voters don’t care about stuff like this, instead they need to talk about the Economy, Health Care, Iraq War, Immigrations and so on.

I am undecided but I’m kinda surprised how America would alone herself to always be intoxicated with the Clintons. They have done worse crime than any other American leader in or out of office, yet Americans are even willing to listen to them.
Obama is been crucified everyday, not for what he said, but for what his former pastor said, which makes so much sense IF the entire sermon is reviewed. If it was Obama that lied the way Hillary did, the whole media will be all over the place. Double standard I must say.
Maybe if hillary becomes president, then Chelsea might come next, and who knows, maybe Bill again. We can criticise dictators like Mugabe, North Korea et al if we cannot tell an ambitious family the truth. that to me is HYPOCRISY. Bill Clinton have made terrible comments not befitting a president so he got a reply he well deserves which by the way happens to be THE FACT not spin.

Persio, I could not agree more.
Can someone please tell the Obama campaign that we the voters don’t care about stuff like this, instead they need to talk about the Economy, Health Care, Iraq War, Immigrations and so on.
I never cared about Monica; never cared about the blue dress. The only thing I found significant about it was that she save it, stain and all.
Economy
War in Two Countries
Immigration
Voters being Disenfranchised

Geevill-Victor Davis Hanson is on FIRE! Personally speaking I am glad the Obama camp refuses to acknowledge the harm this man Wright and Obama’s lack of action cause for their chances on winning. The extent of the damage grows every day. Now, where can I get a G D America bumper sticker?

I just wonder: why isn’t this ALL OVER the news. If it would have been the Clinton camp, watch out.
The Obama crowd is a vicious one. It has been so from the moment he became a contender. What I cannot understand is how the followers of such a stand up guy seem to be such a dim reflection of their chosen leader…Perhaps they are not such a dim reflection, after all? Surprises, surprises.

Any reason why Americans should not be reminded of Monica and the stained blue dress?

What’s wrong with invoking the blue dress? It’s a fact of history. Are we supposed to develop mass amnesia? The press should be exploring the long and tawdry list of scandals in which both Clintons have been involved, as they have direct relevance to how Hillary would govern. Mrs. Clinton’s very candidacy depends on the forgiveness AND forgetfulness of the American public, and the press — through its ineptitude and in some cases bias — is allowing her to recast herself and dodge controversies of the past. Eg. when Tim Russert asked Mrs. Clinton about the fact that her brothers received hundreds of thousands of dollars to lobby Bill for pardons — which he granted — she denied knowing anything about it. Russert never asked a follow-up, and the press never probed this OBVIOUS lie.

AgathaX writes:
“This too shall pass.”

Ha! try forming your own opinions for once instead of getting your talking points from the media and not researching them yourselves. In the last week Obama has given speeches about National Security and the War in Iraq – but apparently none of you have done your homework. I dare any one of you to listen to his full speech on race – not just the soundbites – and still call him racist or devisive. Grow up – with all the information out there today, there is no excuse for this type of ignorance. Barrack is an amazing leader who is that rarest of things in politics today – a good person. He actually wants to make this country better. There will always be negative forces resistant to change. Eventually, they will fail.

Hey! President Clinton’s spokespersons explained at the tome that the “stain story” was a right-wing “long shot.” The President himself is said to have have remarked the whole deal was nothing more than a “cheap shot!” Take notice out there, you Clinton-bashers!

Everybody should see the video
” Hillary, the Movie “. The real colors of the Clintons would be very evident.

Let’s quit the Clintons! I am suffering from Clinton fatigue. Barak Obama is a fresh face without the stain of deception and clever inuendo that Bill and Hillary are able to serve up in laughable and apparent impunity. It is all a disingenuous facade.

Patti-The republicans have another movie called Obama, the movie (FACT) being held back for the general. Hope you see that one too.

“When Joe McCarthy questioned others’ patriotism, McCarthy (1) actually believed, at least aparently (sic), the questions were genuine, and (2) he did so in order to build up, not tear down, his own party, the GOP.”
Gordon, if you are going to throw Joe McCarthy’s name about, and attach partly labels, at least get your facts right. In the schools that I attended, we were taught that Joe McCarthy was a DEMOCRAT!!!

grrtk wrote:
“I dare you to listen to the entirety of one of his [Obama's]speeches and still hold the same opinion.”
I have listened to many in their entirely. They echo exactly (some word for word) the speeches of Deval Patrick. They are only words, just words. Instead, I look beyond the words. I look to the folks this man claims as friends, confidants, preachers, backers. I don’t like what I see. In fact, this coterie scares me.
When someone tells me it is raining outside, I go and check for myself.

I can’t stand the assault on free speech. What is wrong with mentioning the blue dress….because it gives the Clintons the blues…I don’t know why I like Obama either other than the fact that he makes me remember why I am not ashamed to be American. He does have a Reagan quality. Reagan also made me proud of my country’s accomplishments without deny it has faults too.

Navarro, et al. – you need to do some research about McCarthy. That’s the problem with so many Americans in today’s time, they don’t think for themselves, don’t do extensive research on anything before expressing an opinion, and actually come off more ignorant than anyone over the age of 55 can believe. #1 if you only tune into the liberal media, you’re not going to have the facts. #2 democrat talking points aren’t a good way to discuss a viewpoint or to debate an issue. #3 republican talking points aren’t either. #4 Start thinking for yourself!
Regarding the comment on “today’s new voter”, you don’t know what you are talking about!Your existence has you at the center. How would you recognize a “good man” or a “good woman”? Ignorance is not bliss, and if the United States Congress doesn’t get term limits into place, electing a new president isn’t going to do a damn thing. Our political picture in America is skewed. If the president is limited to two terms, why aren’t all the other federal elected positions? When an old man who can hardly move or talk or think takes up time ranting on the Senate or House floor, what good ever can come of it. Term Limits is the only answer – then Americans will see real change instead of the same old ideas and politicians pandering to the special interest groups. Thanks for listening to a frustrated American woman who is sick and tired of Bill, Hill, Barry & McCain. Not one single one of them will be able to change a damn thing as long as you have members of Congress who’ve never had any other job and have made it their lifetime occupation. Their only interest is: what can I do to make sure I get re elected so I don’t have to venture out into the REAL world.

Hey – grrrtk | Mar 24, 2008 5:06:34 PM
Barack Obama stood there preening while McPeak compared Bill Clinton to Joe McCarthy. McPeak’s comments were written and he even said Obama had him on a tight leash. Don’t say Obama doesn’t approve some of these things. He just likes others to do it so he can then come off as the innocent. He is nothing but a slimy snake oil salesman.

elaine writes:
“Navarro, et al. – you need to do some research about McCarthy.”

Obama feels entitled? Since when?
As for his church, get over it already! The man is a Constitutional Scholar. He KNOWS the difference between Church and State.
His IMPRESSIVE legislative record shows us that. Anyone citing his ‘church’ as an area of concern wasn’t planning to vote for him in the first place, no mystery there.
EACH political candidate has an uncomfortable tie to a religious leader or group. Read up, folks, it’s all out there. The news has focused on Obama and those who get their information solely from the nightly news seem to be the most misinformed. It’s a tragedy.

Another desperate comments from Obama camp. So much so for the candidate of post racial divisiveness. Obama is the divisive candidate! I’ll vote for McCain if Obama wins.

Okay Navarro, point taken. You first. Write some more about McCarthy other than the first two lines of Wickipedia. E

I though Obama was a unifier on issues. He’s going to unify the country around the war. McCain wants 100 years. Hillary says six months. What’s Obama going to do, split the difference and make it 50 years? The audacity of hope!
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COUNT Florida!
COUNT Michigan!
COUNT all the votes!
HILLARY stands up for all voters!
BOYCOTT the DNC til all votes count!

Now, who is playing dirty politics?
Obama is in for a rude awakening if he were to win the nomination.
Carville calls Richardson “Judas” and CNN, MSNBC, NPR, and FOX say how terrible, then McPeak, an Obama supporter calls Bill Clinton a McCarthy and the same media gleefully report that without condemning it.
Guys, look at yourself in the mirror.

I misdated or mispoke – take your pick. It’s 3/24. Pick a date – he lied, he was my President, it was wrong, and she lied, and there was no sniper fire.

In CNN:Obama supporter references Bill Clinton and ‘blue dress’
“In a radio interview on the “Michael Smerconish Show” that aired Monday in Philadelphia, Obama defended the church, saying it is “not some crackpot church,” and pointing out that Bill Clinton also had ties to Wright.
Clinton invited Wright to the White House when he was going through his impeachment crisis. ”
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Don’t know what others think, but does Obama really think Cliton’s “tie” to Wright is comparable to his? Is he playing with people’s brains or what?

I’m getting a bit weary with the explicitly personal attacks on Hillary and Bill Clinton–whether by Gordon Fischer, the MSNBC crowd or whoever. Clinton comments about Jesse Jackson, “loving country,” were not directly anti-Obama, but had to be interpreted to be such. But the Obama responses require no interpretation, they are explicit. And yet the Obama campaign is said to be “pure.”
PH Chicago

Hey vmcgreen-Sounds like your concerned, conservative Christians have been dreaming about the blue dress. hmm…Are they also dreaming about which of the two Democrats they’re going to vote for in November?

I believe an earlier post here says it all:
The fact Barack Obama spends more time and energy on such things instead of offering substance is quite telling.
Where’s the beef? Obama looks more and more like he has nothing but empty rhetoric to deliver. I am very disappointed with him. He lets his henchmen say this type of filth and then “rejects” it — after the damage has been done. Here’s the good news — more and more people see through these pathetic efforts.
Senator Clinton delivered a fabulous economic plan again today — why instead do you choose to cover and give air time to this other insignificant and shameless drivel.

So this would be a PRO-Hillary site?

McCarthy was stalled by those Army-McCarthy hearings along with the censure investigations. He conducted his investigations from the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, whose mandate was to investigate the federal government. His targets were Soviet sympathizers and spies. For years people who should not have been in our government were, not only that, but welcomed with open arms. Liberal media one after another ran with any story, without investigating the truth (kind of like Dan Rather) and the scare was on. Yeah, we’ve read alot about his alcohol problem and big mouth BUT the hollywood elite kept up the constant bashing of McCarthy because he CORRECTLY identified some that truly were communist sympathizers. I would read in a heart beat, a true accounting of the McCarthy era. What I know has been picked up in bits and pieces over the years. For sure, whenever a democrat wants to insinuate a “campaign against everything I believe in” posture, they always, always use the phrase, “like McCarthy”. It’s disgusting. It’s ridiculous that the American public believes a documentary done by PBS. Give me a break, have they done anything but the liberal slant and talking points? Don’t quote out of articles written by the left wing elitist. Yeah, he found them out but his personality got in the way. Let’s remember, years later we found out many of the “I’m not a communist” indeed turned out to be card carrying members. What you learned in school – was written by teachers unions which wouldn’t teach children real history if their lives depended on it. I remember asking my history teacher, “why on earth is Armand Hammer so involved in our government”, his answer. “Now that is a great man”. No, he was an odious man. But my history teacher wanted the kids to learn HIS BELIEF system. Don’t believe everything you read. Try reading some conservative historical non fiction along with those liberal books lining your bookshelf.

some people are using it against Hillary the earmark money she got for New York. was it just pork or did it do any good for the people of New York?
or has Hillary done nothing good for New york as a senator.

elaine writes:
“For sure, whenever a democrat wants to insinuate a “campaign against everything I believe in” posture, they always, always use the phrase, “like McCarthy”.”

Dear Elaine…I believe today you got 50 years off your chest. Calm down, take a deep breath. You’re gonna be ok. Don’t frighten the Obama kids. They think Armand Hammer is their soap powder.

Hillary has a plan for healthcare the ecomony, ending the war, student loan problems, etc.
obama started out running with a speech and of late that seems to be all he has.
no orginal plans to help the american people-just speeches- he is an empty vessel when it comes to the issues before us-but he can give a great speech or so cnn keeps telling us.
I do not watch cnn anymore-cnn is un-american. the talking heads on that station are so biased-and the stations whole agenda is clear for any thinking person to see. If you want to get any news at all-maybe, maybe you can rely on the bbc-but american media-now just a stroke above jerry springer-no substance there-I once admired david gergen-but now he is there just nodding his head to whatever cafferty,wolf, and ac say-I guess I can blame the man for trying for making his money. Where is Walter Cronkite when you need him?

As a foreigner looking into the American election, I fail to understand why the American people would want the wife of an impeached President be their next president.
It seems to be that the American people got caught up in a time warp and couldn’t get out of it.
While the rest of the world is moving forward, the American people seemed to be choosing the other direction.

I appreciate Gordon Fischer’s reminder to every Democrat that there is at least one more 800-lb gorilla in the room, besides the patriotism question that the Clintons and Republicans are trying to handcuff to Senator Obama, the race relations issue, the Rezko issue, etc.
Gen. Tony McPeak, James Carville, Gordon Fischer, Bill Richardson — they all serve to keep the conversation lively on the Democratic side so that our candidate is fully-vetted long before they become the nominee.
It was not the Swift Boat Veteran’s attacks that brought down John Kerry in 2004 — it was his own lack of a strong response to them — so we must fully vet our OWN nominee before the other side does it for us.
Geraldine Ferraro actually served the Dems well, and the nation, by making her outlandish statement because how many more millions were latently thinking the same? And Fox News’ distortion of Rev. Wright’s fiery sermons — didn’t these two attacks bring about Sen. Obama’s strong and swift response? That speech was something Americans desparately needed to hear and were it not for the two attacks, the Philly speech would not have happened.
We don’t want our nominee to be milk-toast when they face John McBush in the fall. And, no matter who wins the Presidency, they need to be able to face the leaders of rouge nations with a steady thumb on the red button. I’d much rather have the rough and tumble occur NOW, to fully vet our Commander- in-Chief rather than to solely offer on-the-job training. Staring down Mahmoud Ahmidenijad, Kim Jong-il, or Hugo Chavez — Mr. or Mrs. Milk-toast will not be able to handle it.
If we’re all adults here, then Kudos to Gordon — do we really want to elect the spouse of a House-impeached President who questions the patriotism of his spouse’s opponent? Really? Well, if so, then stained blue dresses are the least of Mrs. Clinton’s worries.
Wait until the Republicans have at her in the fall. We need to tame THIS 800-lb gorilla ASAP! Thank you, Gordon, for helping us to do so, now, before the Republicans have a chance to do her in next fall.

Perhaps there is one positive aspect of having Barack Hussein Obama as the Democratic presidential nominee.
Evidence from Obama’s inability to win high electoral vote states strongly indicates that he cannot win in the general election in November. No caucus manipulation there.
Whether the negatives eminate from his radical left positions, his questionable business deals and contributors(Rezko, Ayers, and others), his hateful and offensive religious ties (Jeremiah Wright), or his hidden racism (“typical white person”), Republicans would politically emasculate Obama in a presidential election.
As evidenced with past Democratic losers (Mondale, Dukakis, Gore, Kerry), Obama’s national political potential would be effectively eliminated.
A world without the plague of Obama.
Now there is change we can believe in.

I think Hillary should stay in the race, till the end. She has run such a good race so far, in spite of all her disadvantages (superior name recognition, big lead in fundraising before the primaries).
90 Days into the Primary she’s trailing a guy most people had never heard of even 6 months ago, and her campaign is dead broke. She’s running a campaign based almost exclusively on “experience”, which will work well against McCain who had only been in Congress for 20 years before Hillary had ever been elected to any public office. Did I mention McCain is a Bona Fide WAR HERO, not the imaginary “I think I recall sniper fire” kind.
So her only tactic left is to play the victim: “They keep asking me questions first”,
“I’m not winning because of Florida and Michigan, let have a do-over”
“Hey they brought up Monica’s dress, that’s not fair!”
If she plans to run the country like she has run her campaign…

I have been totally turned off By the Obama campaign and his constant whining.
He plays innocent but lashes out in the worst of ways.
He lost my vote.

The next time I learn a blog, I hope that it doesnt disappoint me as a lot as this one. I mean, I do know it was my option to read, but I really thought youd have something fascinating to say. All I hear is a bunch of whining about one thing that you might fix when you werent too busy in search of attention.