Obama Questions Clinton’s Experience
ABC News’ David Wright Reports: On board his campaign plane bound for Chicago, Sen. Barack Obama previewed the sharper-edged campaign that’s likely to follow his defeats in Texas and Ohio.
Obama told reporters he plans to question Sen. Clinton’s claims to superior experience and foreign policy judgment. “It’s important to examine that claim and not just allow her to assert it,” Obama said.
Watch the VIDEO HERE.
"I know she talks about visiting 80 countries,” he said. “It’s not clear, you know, was she negotiating treaties or agreements? Was she handling crises during this period of time? My sense of the answer is no."
"I have not seen any evidence that she is better able to handle a crisis,” Obama said. “If the only criterion is longevity in Washington, then she’s certainly not going to beat John McCain on that,” Obama said.
The Illinois senator also questioned her claim to being more thoroughly vetted as a candidate. “I think that’s an issue that should be tested,” he said, indicating the Obama campaign will be more aggressive in pushing Clinton to release her income tax returns as well as the fundraising records for the Clinton Library.
Asked about the possibility of a joint Clinton-Obama or Obama-Clinton ticket – which, Clinton suggested today on the CBS Early Show, is “where this seems to be headed” – Obama smiled wryly.
“You know I’ve said before that I respect Sen. Clinton as a public servant,” Obama said. “She’s a tenacious opponent. I think it is very premature to start talking about a joint ticket.”
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I think Obama should sacrifice for the Dem. party, be VP of Hillary. He didn’t win any big states.
Posted by: golfgirlusa | March 5, 2008, 12:57 pm 12:57 pm
The Clintons brought so many years of shame on our country during their years at the white house. We had months and months of hearings about the taudry details of their time at our beloved White House. They brought Whitewater, travelgate and numerous other scandals to us. They didn’t pay attention while Al Queda organized the 911 attacks – not a credential for foreign policy agent or Commander in Chief.
Mrs. Clinton is the spouse of an impeached president and a junior senator. She has no more experience than Mr. Obama. She promised jobs in New York to get her seat in the Senate, but the jobs never materialized.
I admire the way Mr. Obama is genuine and taking the high road. He needs to remind Americans of our history with the Clintons and the shame they brought on our nation.
Posted by: Shirley | March 5, 2008, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm
Guys,
In last night’s races, there is a wide acceptance that Hillary will come out with a net gain of 10 delegates(after TX caucus is also accounted).
But the number of Dem SuperDelegate’s up for grabs were
VT – 8
TX – 12
OH – 21
RI – 12
Obama’s camp always says that the Superdelegates should go by popular vote.
So
Hillary gets 45 SD’s
Obama gets 8 SD’s
In essence, Hillary netted 10 + (45 – 8)= 37 delegates/superdelegates from last night……WOWWWEEEEEEE!!!!!!!
HILLARY-EDWARDS ’08
Posted by: MattOhio | March 5, 2008, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm
lmao.
That’s funny coming from a state senator who cant even show up in the National Senate, or be bothered to vote because he’s too busy.
Wait, he didn’t vote when he was a state senator either.
He was too busy!!
LMAO
Posted by: s.b. | March 5, 2008, 1:03 pm 1:03 pm
Hmmm. I can understand Obama wanting to knock her off her negative messages about him, but he should be careful not to beat her up too much.
Posted by: Paul | March 5, 2008, 1:06 pm 1:06 pm
Actually when all is said and done, she will gain at least 25 pledged delegates from last night, maybe more depending on TEX caucuses.
And yes if Super delegates have to vote as their states voted, thank you JOhn Kerry and Ted Kennedy for your support of Hillary Clinton, she would have more super delegates not less.
You see all the obama camp’s arguements about how she can’t win and Math are loads of horse manure.
There’s an easy way to break the tie. Count 2 million votes in Florida and Michigan. No dem nominee is going to win the white house be campaigning to disenfranchise 2 million Americans.
No way!
Posted by: s.b. | March 5, 2008, 1:07 pm 1:07 pm
When everyone asks Obama what good judgement he has shown, he says he has shown good judgement by not voting for Iraq vote….HE DINT HAVE TO VOTE AT ALL. What is he trying to prove. I think he has lost it.
Posted by: MattOhio | March 5, 2008, 1:09 pm 1:09 pm
Hillary Clinton is too polarizing to carry the vote against McCain. She’s the establishment and so is he.
Obama/Edwards is a perfect solution for America.
Hillary is about to be reminded of her time at the White House and it’s nothing to be proud of.
Visiting countries for tea with the locals is not foreign policy experience.
She has no experience as Commander in Chief, nothing even close.
Barack Obama represents the Democratic party and our ideals. He will win with large amount of popular vote and delegates.
Posted by: Robert S | March 5, 2008, 1:09 pm 1:09 pm
After what happened yesterday, I just have a question for Dem. If this was a boxing contest, how do you defeat the incumbent title holder, Clinton? The answer is by delivering a knock out punch. I also know that politics is not a game for gentlemen and so far Sen. Obama has played by the rules according to the polls. Most Dems.(my friends) have had enough of Sen. Clinton’s negative campaign; they also believe if that’s going to be the trend Obama has to deliver a few direct blows to gain enough points on his score card. Now is the time to ask the Sen. Clinton what her 35 yrs of experience really is. Now is the time to ask questions about what the American public need to know. If you guy don’t ask these questions, the republican’s will. Every American knows all of the stuff that’s part of Clinton’s experience like: Whitewater, Travel gate, Monica Lewinsky and impeachment, renting out the Lincoln bedroom, the loss of the Rose Law Firm billing records for nearly 2 years until they were miraculously found in the White House living quarters, removing files from Vince Foster’s office following his suicide and before investigators could get there.
I’m a republican and I know Sen. McCain will ask these question. Don’t forget our secret weapon, Karl Rove. Bring it on Dems. It’s Republicans driving in the Straight Talk Express to the White House come fall ’08.
Posted by: Chan | March 5, 2008, 1:12 pm 1:12 pm
We are going to win those states anyway, no matter who the nominee is our numbers are double the republicans in those states. Clinton won those with slim margins and a lot of focus, fight, negativity and old time political relationships…and against Obama, another dem. We need the redder states. Which Obama wins with a MUCH bigger majority.
That is the fact… the bigger states are democratic states for the most part and Hillary won most by tiny/slim margins.
Posted by: klondike | March 5, 2008, 1:14 pm 1:14 pm
Shirley, you do love your republican talking points. Nevertheless, you forgot to ad that she killed Foster, she’s a witch, a liar, a fraud. Get a life. Those of us in the Hillary camp have heard all the crap you Obama folks throw around, but stay tuned for the Rezko trial going on each and every day from here on out. Are you having fun now?
Posted by: Dogsoldier | March 5, 2008, 1:15 pm 1:15 pm
Give me a break! Obama is going to question the experience of Hillary? There is one area where Obama has more experience than Hillary and that is running for office. Has Obama even completed the full term of any office he was elected to? The minute he is elected he already has his sights on the next prize. Is this about wanting to work for the people or is it simply a case of personal ambition??
Posted by: Firefighter | March 5, 2008, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm
We need to she her tax return and the library records NOW. If something contained therein is going to blow-up…let’s have that happen BEFORE she’s the nominee.
Posted by: David | March 5, 2008, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm
Chan – this isn’t a boxing match.
Besides, your point isn’t correct anyway. Boxers holding titles get beat on points all the time. Granted there’s some reservation over giving a challenger a decision, but it does happen.
Posted by: Paul | March 5, 2008, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm
Obama doesnt represent anything. He is arrogant and divisive. Just look at the number of African-American people that are voting for him just because he looks African-American. He has effectively divided the country on race lines. People are getting very rude while defending his stance. I hope he realises that he is ruining the dreams of millions of youth
Glad to see that America has spoken against Obama leading this country and taking it to the dumps.
Posted by: MattOhio | March 5, 2008, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm
Obama HAS won big states. He won Washington, Virginia, Georgia, Illinois and Missouri. Don’t drink the HRC Kool-Aid.
Posted by: jamie_c | March 5, 2008, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm
Finally Senator Obama claimed experience does matter…He is not qualified to talk about experiences because he got NONE…
Posted by: Truth | March 5, 2008, 1:19 pm 1:19 pm
Let’s continue to have meaningful discussion about a winning election strategy. I’m comfortable with an Clinton-Obama ticket. I’m not quite as comfortable with an Obama-Clinton ticket, but could maybe be sold, but I need to hear sound logic. This is a healthy process to continue, just don’t let the right-wing windbags knock us off focus. The momentum is with Clinton, and this has become a matter for consideration by the artists, as opposed to the mathematicians.
Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | March 5, 2008, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm
MattOhio, you Ohio folks rock! When you Ohio guys finished speaking the Obama folks are still shaking and whining all day long. Thanks for standing up Ohio!
Posted by: Dogsoldier | March 5, 2008, 1:23 pm 1:23 pm
Dogsoldier – did you see Matt Lauer on the Today show asking Hillary about the picture of she and Bill beaming while standing with him. Hmmmmmm….maybe he raised some money for them too?
Of course Hillary’s trademark response “I don’t recall”….
Here we go again. Before we know it there will be a “vast right wing conspiracy” theory. lol
Posted by: Shirley | March 5, 2008, 1:24 pm 1:24 pm
Those who are saying Hillary has won big States must understand that she did not win 100%. There is also a percentage which Obama won as well.
Hillary without Obama can not win the Presidency. Thats why she suggested the joint ticket. But due to the following, I do not think Obama will accept her offer so easily:
1. The leakege Photo of Obama in traditional Somali dress.
2. Hillary Red Phone TV ad in Texas.
3. “Shame on You” Meet Me in Ohio” remarks.
4. Issue of Obama being Muslim and Hillary comment “not that I know of”.
5. She raised the issue of Rezko.
6. The revealation of Obama Economic Aide meeting with Canadian Officials about NAFTA.
And a lot more!
Posted by: Peace | March 5, 2008, 1:25 pm 1:25 pm
I agree with WestCoastMessenger wholeheartedly. Try to put this word through to the Dem Party bosses somehow. Bottomline is Obama Cannot Close. In future contests his stubbornness will go against the will of people. He cant be the front-runner maybe the VP.
Posted by: MattOhio | March 5, 2008, 1:25 pm 1:25 pm
Waw! Obama plans to question Hillary’s experience.
I think it is high time that the people question Obama about his experience with Rezko too.
Posted by: Someone | March 5, 2008, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm
If it comes to the joint ticket I think Obama would be the better person and forgive Hillary her …smearing- he really does want what is best for this country. That is what he has believed all along, now if I could just get that same feeling from Hillary then this wouldn’t feel so gross to think about …
Posted by: dreamer? | March 5, 2008, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm
WestCoast – I have to ask, do you accept the Clinton campaign’s suggestion that Obama isn’t ready?
If so, how can you support Obama as a running mate? The VP is a heartbeat away.
I think Obama is ready, or at least as ready as any non-incumbent could be. But I was just wondering about what I see as a contradictory message from Clinton, and whether her supporters agree with it.
Posted by: Paul | March 5, 2008, 1:31 pm 1:31 pm
Hillary doesn’t have a chance vs. McCain. She has too many skeletons in her closet. (Hey – maybe the tax papers and White House papers are lost in her closet again?? Last time it took 4 years to find them!)
If all they have on Obama is a loose relationship with Rezko – that’s nothing compared to the never ending list of lies and litigation and embarrasment that she’ll bring upon the Democratic party. If she is the nominee, the Republicans win.
Obama is the hope of the Democratic Party – Edwards on the ticket with him would be the best.
Posted by: Robert | March 5, 2008, 1:31 pm 1:31 pm
Barrack,
Only foreign policy experience you have is what you inherited from your father who used to herd goats in Kenya. Hillary went all over the world and met and discussed military and political issues with leaders of all major countries during Bill’s terms 1992-2000. She has a lot of experience of dealing with world leaders and you have goat herding experience from your father. Just think about that. You coudn’t be that dumb.
Posted by: Sam NJ | March 5, 2008, 1:32 pm 1:32 pm
if people are still doing delegate math, they are just too junior to politics… The truth is:
Neither candidates will have enough delegates into convention by rule… It will be up to super delegates to decide beased on:
The keys here are popular vote and who is the strongest one and has the best chance to beat Rep.
Hillary will win popular vote (she just regained it) by winning the big states. It is the will of majority of people. If Superdelegates vote against, Obama has to eat his words: delegates should follow the will of people..
Then who is the strongest and best change?? It is clear now..
Posted by: Truth | March 5, 2008, 1:33 pm 1:33 pm
as far as the superdelagates voting with their states, hillary would gain a total of 37 from last nights contests but would lose all the superdelegates from the previous 11 states. She still does not want them to be counted that way. She will continue to go negative, stall releasing her taxes and white house documents. If she gets the nomination those documents will come out and she will be shown to be a fraud. Visiting cpountries on the President’s arm and for photo ops does not make for foreign policy experience.
taking money from Saudi businessmen and royals in order to fund your campaign does not integrity make. If her argument for time in is to be looked at as valid, she just endorsed John McCain for President.
Posted by: Louis | March 5, 2008, 1:33 pm 1:33 pm
The big states argument makes me want to kill myself. NEW YORK AND CALIFORNIA WILL GO TO ANY DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE, THATS NOT AN ISSUE! THE ISSUE IS WHO CAN WIN CROSSOVER APPEAL TO TAKE BACK THE WHITE HOUSE! OBAMA WINS IN THE RED STATES AND HE CAN WIN SOME IN NOVEMBER!
And if we’re talking about experience and judgment? Well shoot, if Obama let his wife cheat on him, he’d probably have been ripped a long time ago right? Ooh wait a minute, I thought this is all about women’s rights and having the first woman president? Hmmm too bad we can’t look at Hill from the same perspective cuz, last time I checked, supporting the humiliation of someone’s wife is not supporting the feminist cause.
Posted by: Bill and Michelle | March 5, 2008, 1:34 pm 1:34 pm
I dont know how many will laugh with me on this…but last night Obama camp dint see the Clinton machine run over them…they were busy looking at the calculators.
Posted by: MattOhio | March 5, 2008, 1:34 pm 1:34 pm
Dreamer last night the Obama lawyers were so desperate they crashed a private Clinton conference call. Now if that is not reaching for the bottom, not to forget the judge in Ohio who tried to assist Obama campaign last night. That will get the airtime it deserves very soon, mark my words. Check it out and see for yourself.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | March 5, 2008, 1:36 pm 1:36 pm
She made a tough vote that to this day is hard to live with.All he can say is I would have voted against it.Thats like saying I would have bought a lottery ticket after finding out the numbers and than trying to get a cut of the winnings.
Posted by: girlinvt | March 5, 2008, 1:36 pm 1:36 pm
Is there a reason why candidates are allowed to get this far into the race without full disclosure of pertinent documents? It seems like this happens all the time and then by the time we have already picked our nominee it is too late. Another vote between Worse and Worser.Does anyone know why that is?
Posted by: dreamer? | March 5, 2008, 1:36 pm 1:36 pm
MattOhio – the results of all four states are pretty close to what Axelrod projected back in the first week of February. That’s the difference between a campaign that plans ahead, and one that doesn’t.
So, I don’t agree with your assessment that Obama’s campaign doesn’t recognize what’s happening.
Posted by: Paul | March 5, 2008, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm
Hillary and Bill Clinton would sell her mother to the highest bidder if they thought it would help them!
She thinks she is entitled to the Presidency!
Well, we have something to say about that!
Posted by: Patsy Moore | March 5, 2008, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm
“I think it is very premature to start talking about a joint ticket.”
Where is Mr. Unity now?
This very comment by Obama flies in the face of his claim that this election is about the people not him. Apparently his ego cannot handle being number 2.
I guess the people of Texas and Ohio saw through all of this lies.
YEAH AMERICA!
Posted by: Ben | March 5, 2008, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm
Sam – you’ve gotta be kidding!!!
“Hillary went all over the world and met and discussed military and political issues with leaders of all major countries during Bill’s terms 1992-2000.”
Whaaa haaa haaa haaa – she really has you believing THAT??? You are gullable or too young to know better.
Maybe if she ever reveals her itinerary from those years – oh, she’s working on that, right??
ha ha ha
Posted by: roberts | March 5, 2008, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm
DogSoldier, I have heard all about it, I have listened to the spins from both sides and I stayed up way too late last night to see everyone show their true colors…yeah I got it- idk though is it deperation or just sheer frustration? Trying to pay attention to all of the back and forth he said she saids is exhausting. I would rather just watch them focus on the issues.
Posted by: dreamer? | March 5, 2008, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm
In fact, let’s take this a step further. It takes preparation to be ready on Day One. It takes hard work.
Aren’t these the basic rationale for Clinton’s campaign now? She’ll work harder, she’ll be ready…
Well, given the actions of their respective campaigns, I’d suggest Obama might just be the president-elect who will be ready on Day One.
Posted by: Paul | March 5, 2008, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm
Bill and Michelle, it seems you’re out of touch again. Forty percent of Americans do have relationship problems and some keep their families together and some go on to new relationships. I do not comment on their private affairs because that is their business. Why do you want to involve yourself in the private affairs of others and are you saying that is Obama’s policy?
Posted by: Dogsoldier | March 5, 2008, 1:42 pm 1:42 pm
Paul this a boxing contest and it takes a knock out punch to win. Since you Dems. can’t decide on a clear winner and you still have Mr. Rezko + NAFTA versus Mrs.Whitewater, Travel gate, Monica Lewinsky and impeachment, renting out the Lincoln bedroom, the loss of the Rose Law Firm billing records for nearly 2 years until they were miraculously found in the White House living quarters, removing files from Vince Foster’s office following his suicide and before investigators could get there. She has also refused to release her tax records and library records (hiding them, I guess). Whoa, Sen. Clinton has more experience than Obama. I guess if that’s what the Dems call experience, she’s the nominee. Sen. McCain would expose her and we will deliver the knock out punch
Posted by: Chan | March 5, 2008, 1:43 pm 1:43 pm
Obama ‘s foreign policy;
first , invade and bomb our ally–Parkistan, change our ally into enemy.
second, without precondition and clear purpose to meet , talk with our enemies, then hope they become our friend.
in face, those are big changes.
Posted by: bobe | March 5, 2008, 1:43 pm 1:43 pm
Dreamer, point taken.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | March 5, 2008, 1:43 pm 1:43 pm
OMG I think we just agreed , is that even allowed on these blogs?
Posted by: dreamer? | March 5, 2008, 1:45 pm 1:45 pm
Bill and Michelle,
President Clinton’s affair isn’t the issue. The ensuing coverup was.
Lewinsky/Flowers – Bill
Travelgate – Hillary
Whitewater – Hillary
Rose Law Firm – Hillary
Vince Foster’s papers stolen from his office and later found in Hillary’s – Hillary
See – she has many things to account for is she wants to talk about her 35 years of experience. 20 years were spent on those.
Posted by: RobertS | March 5, 2008, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm
Obama cannot win this election by losing. That’s basically the idea when someone starts talking about his small delegate lead.
Also, it’s illogical to dismiss the importance of the larger states. The larger states are Democrat territory. To dismiss the larger states for the judgement of North Dakota, Idaha, and Kansas IS insane, since they will not vote Democrat in November.
For Obama to think he can win in November while claiming that he’s “not for amnesty” for the Fl and MI voters is also “silly.” Not only does it insult those states…it also insults the many latin voters who struggle with immigration issues.
Posted by: Ben | March 5, 2008, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm
What is Obama trying to do? Destroy the
democratic party. There is no way he will
beat McCain. My friends and I have discussed
this many times. If Hillary doesn’t run
we will all vote for McCain. Obama should
show some signs of accomplishment to
the people of Illinois before taking on the
presidential race. If Obama continues this
nasty path of smear tacticts he will destroy
his party’s chances of winning and it will
also be a good by to his ever winning the
presidency.
Posted by: cindy barba | March 5, 2008, 1:49 pm 1:49 pm
Patsy Moore, Bill Clinton’s mother passed away from cancer.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | March 5, 2008, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm
MattOhio, I like your idea. Give all the superdelegates of the states you have won to the candidate. Since Hillary is behind in delegates, popular vote, and lost more states, then Obama should have more superdelegates then her. But before last night Hillary was ahead of 50 superdelegates even though Obama was leading in every category. Be careful what you wish for. Also, way to Claim Michigan as a win Hillary, Obama wasn’t even on the ticket. You helped make the rules and then the rules hurt you so lets change them. Typical Clintons.
Posted by: Jason | March 5, 2008, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm
Bill Clinton was there for the tsunami victims raising money to help. Bill Clinton was there for the 911 victims and the after effects for the first responders raising money to support and help their families. Bill Clinton was there for New Orleans raising money to help and support them in their needs. Where was Obama?
Posted by: Dogsoldier | March 5, 2008, 1:54 pm 1:54 pm
At this point…I think the only thing we can agree on…is that if our candidate is NOT chosen to lead the party….then John McCain doensn’t look so bad!
Posted by: Ben | March 5, 2008, 1:54 pm 1:54 pm
Dogsoldier…he was out campaigning and having teas with Oprah! Heheh!
Posted by: Ben | March 5, 2008, 1:56 pm 1:56 pm
Jason
About MI and FL, here are the facts.
1. DNC declared whoever went before Jan 2007 wont be seated
2. DNC Presidential Candidates signed a pledge to not campaign in FL and MI
3. FL and MI moved their primaries ahead. The voters dint even know that they were moved and 1 and 2 had happened.
4. Barack Obama ran campaign ads in FL.
Now Jason my friend, what do you make of points 1 through 4. Do you still want to blame Clinton?
Posted by: Jason | March 5, 2008, 1:58 pm 1:58 pm
Yet the civil fraud trial of Bill Clinton, Grammy’s producer Gary Smith and Clinton intimate and fundraiser Jim Levin, for defrauduing Hillary’s largest donor in 2000, which has been pending in Los Angeles since 2003, and now preparing for a November, 2008 trial has NEVER been announced by the mainstream media.
Hillary was able to extricate herself as a co-defendant in the case in January, 2008 after years of appeals relating to her efforts to use of First Amendment protections from tort claims arising out of federal campaign solicitations to be extricated as a defendant after the California Supreme Court refused to dismiss her from the case in 2004.
Hillary will be called as a witness in both discovery and the trial according to the trial court Judge who so-advised Hillary’s attorney David Kendall when he dismissed Hillary as a co-defendant in 2007. A subpoena is being prepared this month and will be served personally on Hillary, along with Chelsea, Pa Gov. Ed Rendell, Al Gore and other well known political and media figures.
Yet the media has refused to report about this landmark civil fraud case- brought by Hillary’s biggest 2000 donor to her Senate race, regarding allegations that were corroborated by the Department of Justice in the criminal trial of Hillary’s finance director David Rosen in May, 2005
Posted by: RobertS | March 5, 2008, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm
Ben lol.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | March 5, 2008, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm
hillary clinton already destroyed the democratic party, nice of you to try the distortions though….
even if she wins, she will lose. The dems remember the 90′s, nothing but drama and scandal.
That’s why we know the Ohio voters are ADD….someone told them bill and hillary will move to Ohio to help them personally.
Posted by: LA in Indiana | March 5, 2008, 2:04 pm 2:04 pm
Obama had to hope that this campaign was done last night as now the Tony Rezko trial will be in full swing and the campaign will be still ongoing. The questions about his associations with Rezko will continue and will tarnish the golden boy image. He will try to bring up the so-called Clinton scandals of the past but he will look bad in doing so, it will be in opposite of what his campaign has promised in the past, and he will just look like he is participating in “politics as usual”. If there is a conviction in the Rezko case or if Obama gets called to testify in the next few weeks this could be very damaging to him.
Posted by: Eric | March 5, 2008, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm
Paul, I accept the premise that Hillary Clinton is better prepared, and with Obama a heartbeat away, I’m comfortable that this will be a powerful team and the best possible positioning for a presidential-vice presidential seating that we’ve had in the past century. The last time we were in a position like this was with JFK and LBJ and that fails by comparison to this possibility.
Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | March 5, 2008, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm
he he….he’s spent his entire career in the senate running for president. why doesnt he emphasize his own experience?
Posted by: tony | March 5, 2008, 2:08 pm 2:08 pm
Cmon LA in Indiana, the only reason I like Indiana is because you have the COLTS.
Tell Obama he can become VP at most. If he tries to fight the Clinton Machine he will go back to Chicago and sit on that 10ft of lawn that he bought from Rezko wondering why he bought it.
Posted by: MattOhio | March 5, 2008, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm
Bottom line, if Hillary is the nominee she will be crushed by Mc Cain, The Obama camp will not vote for her after the negative campaign (even if Obama asks them to do so), and Republicans hate Hillary and the Clitnons in general so much that they will largely come to support Mc Cain. No exit for Hillary there, she needs Obama on the ticket to be president.
On the other hand, Obama if the nominee (seems to be the most obvious ending right now, even if Hillary did well yesterday),will not be inclined to put Hillary on board, because it stands against his campaign’s message and once again will lead to the republican rallying Mc Cain. He will pick a woman VP or an hispanic VP to reach out to the voters of these demographics. Either of them should be older than he is to counterbalance the attacks on experience and maybe with a strong military or foreign affair background.
Democrats all over the country should really think about getting in the White House and not about making a point or hiding one’s head into the sand. HILLARY CANNOT BEAT MC CAIN WITHOUT OBAMA, SHE KNOWS IT, THAT IS WHY SHE PROPOSED IT TODAY!!!
But here is another thought, maybe Hillary is not thinking about 2008, but rather 2012, she kills Obama’s candidacy by giving Republicans the tools to negative pressure, Obama weakened might lose the presidency and therefore she can campaign in 2012, how twisted is that? It’s Clinton’s twisted.
Cheers
An independent.
Posted by: karine | March 5, 2008, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm
I don’t understand why Hillary will jubilate when She almost lost TX to Obama.. I taut she proudly said that was her firewall.. I guess her so called firewall couldn’t stand Obama’s wave. The only reason she won Ohio was because of all the negative attacks she launched at Obama the last days. I am in Canada, and all of us here Know that BIll’s visit here last week was to work on one of his dirty tricks… I know Americans are smarter.. And I for one and Lots of people I know are proud of Yesterday’s result. Obama broke the so called fire wall in Texas with dignity…
In Obama camp, there is no such time as firewall..Its just a matter of time… As for the clintons.. I have lost the little respect I had for them.. It is pathetic what they will do to get the nomination..And please, cud some1 tell me what kinda of experience she preaches about all the time…. As far as I know been a first lady, does not mean you a a co-president. I too have traveled to more than 100 countries, meet lots of people because of the position my Dad held in the 1990′s but I am smart to know that my travel experiences doesn’t grant me the experiences of my Dad..
So yes.. we want to know the experience she’s talking about..
Obama is the best for the country and for the world, He is a uniter and that is what America needs now at this time that the whole world is against you.
Obama 08
Posted by: aurelia | March 5, 2008, 2:12 pm 2:12 pm
Matt I don’t even like the Colts.
Obama has nothing to lose at this point, and hillary has put all this out there. I didn’t think she would go there with all the skeletons they have in their closet. They’re standing there picking their teeth, saying ‘hey, what took you so long, its dark in here’
Its about time for Obama to draw blood. She claims she’s tested, and ready on day one….lets see if she can take the azzwhuppin before day one.
Posted by: LA in Indiana | March 5, 2008, 2:12 pm 2:12 pm
Okay WestCoast, I understand. You are saying Obama is qualified to be president, but just that you believe Clinton is more qualified.
Posted by: Paul | March 5, 2008, 2:14 pm 2:14 pm
Obama cannot win November against McCain when he could not win any of the big states! He did not win in NY,CA,NJ,TX,OH,FL,MI,and looks like he won’t be able to win in PA so lets be real, does he have a real chance of winning comes november? the answer is a big NO! If he didn’t win in those states with more voters agains’t Clinton what makes anyone think he will have a chance against McCain? Come to terms and realize he has no chance of winning this at all.
Posted by: PB | March 5, 2008, 2:14 pm 2:14 pm
Clinton Supporters,
Should the nominee that has the most pledged delegates and won the popular vote win the nomination? Should the superdelegates reverse the will of the people? Should Clinton be able to change the rules in the middle of the game and include Michigan and Florida delegates? Should there be a new contests in Michigan and Florida so that at least Obama’s name is on the ballot in Michigan? Why should only big states count? Why do you want to disenfrachize voters in Missouri and Colorado? You are the one argueing that only big states matter, while in the same breath saying that Michigan and Florida votes should count so that they aren’t disengranchized.
I’m glad I’m not on the side that has to anwer these questions or has to win this way.
Posted by: jayjaydubu | March 5, 2008, 2:15 pm 2:15 pm
Karine – Hillary didn’t propose it, the interviewer did. Hillary proposed she not be the vice pres.,of course. She also waffled about the superdelegates – of course.
Obama can carry the country. Hillary brings back a lot of bad memories. too bad so many voters have forgotten all she did her last stay at the white house.
Posted by: markc | March 5, 2008, 2:15 pm 2:15 pm
beat the Rezko drum….Chicago beat the drum for 2 yrs, there is nothing there, but keep beating…
release the tax returns hillary…
how about the donor list for the presidential library, can we discuss that out in the open?
dubai port deal? kazakhstan?
norman hsu is in jail, but peter paul ain’t….
c’mon hillary, let’s talk
Posted by: LA in Indiana | March 5, 2008, 2:16 pm 2:16 pm
since the party elders are the ones that screwed up, strip the superdelegates, and then hold the ‘do over’ so all who wanted to vote, can now do that.
Posted by: LA in Indiana | March 5, 2008, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm
Going against the will of the people? jayjay
The Democrats are not interested in the will of the people. If they were…they would have primaries instead of caucuses. They would not have taken away the voice of Fl and Mi.
They would not have a caucus system in Texas that takes delegates away from the primary winner.
Will of the people? Meh…nice try Obama-bot.
Posted by: Ben | March 5, 2008, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm
Jayjay no democrat, Hillary nor Obama, can win the White House without Fl or Mich and at this stage the republicans have a free pass to those two states. Even you can figure this out.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | March 5, 2008, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm
Ohio voted on who would be the Best President out of the two candidates.
Based on The candidates History, Job experience and how they did on their positions, Facts, Details given to the people about their platforms, ability to do the job. Who’s Allegiance was only to United States Of America.
It is a serious Position to fill, which can not be taken lightly.
We were looking To choose a Presidential Candidate for the United States, with the best Qualities to perform that job.
Out of the two candidates we chose Just that.
Thank you
Posted by: seah | March 5, 2008, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm
A lot of the crying and whining from the Obama camp for today seems to hinge on the premise that Obama has won more states than Clinton and has won eleven in a row. The argument is flawed.
The wins in touted “red states” were, for the most part, determined by caucuses, as in my state of Kansas. The Kansas caucuses were a sham. Kansas electoral votes will not go to a Democratic candidate as will be the case with many of the Obama “wins.”
The caucus “wins” were little more than elaborate and publicized lessons in chicken herding and offer no realistic measure of voter preference except for those people attending the caucus.
However, the primary/caucus system used in Texas does offer a representative view of just how badly the caucus system is flawed. Specifically, compare the percentage differences from primary votes to caucus results.
Indications are that Senator Clinton won the primary in Texas. Of course, the overall primary vote count was vastly larger than the caucus count. Why? Real voters prefer a private ballot instead of the barnyard, caucus mentality that often turns organized elections into mayhem with intimidation.
Thus, the Obama, red state, caucus “wins” were nothing more than misrepresentations of actual voter preference and will not produce anything close to a win in November.
Posted by: ken | March 5, 2008, 2:25 pm 2:25 pm
After reading all the comments that people have posted, it has become overwelmingly obvious that Americans are factually sure of what traits & obligations they want the new President to focus on. However, when it comes to BOTH candidiates NEITHER will clarify they’re position on very important issue such as: HealthCare, S.S.I benefits, Raising childcare costs, failing Housing market, Lack of resources for our youth, mis-management of Sur-Plus funds etc. If ONE of the Democratic Candidiates were to step-up to the plate & explain to the voting public where they stand on any ONE issue; How they plan to resolve that problem,then the SUPER-DELEGATES vote would NOT even matter. Voting PEOPLE need to remember that the President does not only represent the country, they also represent what we want from our government to make LIFE a little more manageable for its citizens.
Politics are supposed to be confusing & combative but the end result must always benefit the citizens of this country. Use the knowledge @ hand to make an educated decision NOT an emotional one for your political party. That is what happened in the 2004 election. People voted for BUSH because they felt sorry for him due to all the bad publicity.
Now I fell sorry for those who have lost family in the war, lost their home, lost employment, for those who must choose between food for the week & medication for they’re health but can only afford to purchase 1or the other. We as citizens of this great nation must begin to ask the important questions w/o fearing the answers that we recieve.
Senator OBAMA & CLINTON will need to stick there necks on the line & lay-out their plans for the next 4 years. Before I promise my vote to any candidiate, I want to be sure it will COUNT. Wouldn’t YOU?
Posted by: Mortaliy Obligated | March 5, 2008, 2:25 pm 2:25 pm
I think its fair enough to say that both sides feel strong about who they favor, and i have seen nastiness coming from both sides, so lets not claim here who is worst. So Obama supporters stop claiming that you are innocent people caught up in it.
Posted by: PB | March 5, 2008, 2:26 pm 2:26 pm
It’s no wonder we don’t expect better morals and judgement from our presidents, when we don’t even talk about the issues ourselves..just resort to name calling and whining. Everyone is acting like they are rooting for their favorite sports team when this will decide the leader of the free world for the next four years!. Where are the issues? Where is the honesty? The intellectual debates? I would like to know what the definition of experience is for all 3 of these candidates -kind of seems like they are all pretty close in that “arena”.
Posted by: dreamer? | March 5, 2008, 2:27 pm 2:27 pm
Cindy Barba: What rock have you been hiding under? The only one destroying the Democratic Party has been HRC. She has used every underhanded tactic that she can pull out of her hat. As for smear tactics, she is the only one who has used smear tactics – against Obama. He has not wanted to lower himself to her level, but the time has come to remind America all about Hillary.
Posted by: MIF | March 5, 2008, 2:27 pm 2:27 pm
wow – wikipedia norman hsu:
“Hsu then returned to the United States in the late 1990s,[23] despite his fugitive status, and established several addresses in the San Francisco and Los Angeles areas.[2] He became an investor in Silicon Valley,[20] invested in real estate in the San Francisco Bay Area,[2] and still had engagements in the garment industry.[2] He later relocated to New York, where he seemed to become involved in the apparel business once again[23] and lived in a luxury apartment in SoHo while flying chartered jets.[23]
Starting in 2003, Hsu began contributing to, and collecting contributions for, the Democratic Party,[17][19][23][24] although he did not join the party and was not registered to vote.[25][26] He also donated to causes such as the Innocence Project and Clinton Global Initiative.[2] He also became a trustee of The New School in New York, to whom he donated $100,000 and provided the money for a scholarship.[27] Democratic Party figures did not know much about him or his businesses, but appreciated his support;[2] he became known to them as someone who could quickly raise large amounts of money,[23] and as someone who networked tirelessly and always found ways to be included in high-profile events.[28] By 2007, Hsu’s status within Hillary Rodham Clinton’s 2008 presidential campaign had risen to the level where he was a “HillRaiser”,[23][29] someone who had “bundled” more than $100,000 for her campaign, and to where he co-hosted a $1 million fundraiser at wealthy Democratic Party supporter Ron Burkle’s Beverly Hills estate,[3] and in September, he was scheduled to co-host a major gala fundraising event featuring music legend Quincy Jones.[17]”
She’s going to drag our Democratic party through the mud. This will be easy for McCain. She is corrupt.
Posted by: Stephen | March 5, 2008, 2:27 pm 2:27 pm
Seah and Ken I could not have said it any better myself. Thank you.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | March 5, 2008, 2:28 pm 2:28 pm
1. Hillary Clinton did not “close the deal” either, and in fact, based upon realistic delegate counts, never will. Even after last night’s admittedly impressive wins, she will remain 100+ pledged delegates behind Obama, with virtually no hope of catching up based upon the remaining primaries and caucuses. In addition, Obama has now closed his once-daunting superdelgates gap with Clinton to a mere 39 — and closing.
2. Obama is far too wise (and too talented) to accept a VP berth with Clinton. It simply would not happen, if by some literal miracle Clinton were to become the nominee.
3. Clinton cannot win the general election, simply because independents and moderate Republicans (yes, there ARE still a few) loathe her, quite frankly, and as everyone not blinded by partisanship well knows, a candidate CANNOT win the presidency of the United States anymore without capturing a sizable majority of independent voters. Obama and McCain can do this; Clinton cannot.
4. Obama will now start going much more vigorously, aggressively and pointed at the Clinton lack of candor, transparency and actual, legitimate “experience.” I’ve yet to find any Clinton supporter who can cite a single example of Clinton’s alleged “who do you want answering the phone at 3 am” experience. Obama’s going to start pounding her on this illusion.
Posted by: Mark | March 5, 2008, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm
WHY should the dem ticket be obama/edwards, when Hillary has a split down the middle of votes that has been cast in these primaries and caucuses.
Posted by: toby | March 5, 2008, 2:34 pm 2:34 pm
Stephen, that’s been in the news months ago. Do you have something positive to add or is your entire purpose here to tear down Hillary? I can go there with Obama if you like, however, I would rather try and talk about what happens if Fl or Mich does not get to count and then both Hillary and Obama will both be in a world of hurt come November. Or do you wish to concede Fl and Mich to republicans, I don’t.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | March 5, 2008, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm
Something was mentioned in an earlier post about a “do over” in Florida and Michigan. If the will of the public is heeded, that shouldn’t and probably won’t happen. Here is why.
From this morning:
CNN POLL QUESTION
Should Florida and Michigan Democrats *
*Have their votes counted?…58%
*Not be counted?…25%
*Have new primaries or caucuses?…17%
With current Clinton momentum sustained, Michigan and Florida primaries will provide the necessary delegates and super delegates for Senator Clinton to secure the nomination.
To avoid a brokered convention, which would also go to Clinton, Obama should therefore withdraw and give his support to Tony Rezko.
Posted by: ken | March 5, 2008, 2:37 pm 2:37 pm
Mark what makes you think Hillary supporter will somehow drink the koolaid and flock to Obama? Unlike the Obama folks at least the McCain people have already reached out to the Hillary supporters while you Obama supporters are doing everything in your power to tear us down. Not a good strategy there Mark. Time to talk Fl and Mich.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | March 5, 2008, 2:40 pm 2:40 pm
I expect a ramping up (or down) of negative ads since Lady MacBeth so effectively used them. I expect the same from the Obama camp. With that in mind, they would be mutual liabilities to each other if in a combined ticket. If they do it, the Mac team will just replay their opposition ads.
Posted by: smartprimate | March 5, 2008, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm
How is it that Senator Obama can win handily in the most liberal state in the Union (Vermont), and Stephen expects us to believe he can win the support and votes of moderate Republicans (my wife) and independent voters (me)?
Simply put, he can’t and won’t.
Posted by: ken | March 5, 2008, 2:43 pm 2:43 pm
DogSoldier-Not all Obama supporters are like that there are extremists on both sides of the fence. People that just can’t stand to lose…. It’s quite unfortunate too when we should be banding together for a common goal we are instead stabbing each other in the back.
Posted by: dreamer? | March 5, 2008, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm
ken, you conveniently forgot to mention the *OTHER* CNN poll, showing that a large majority of Dem voters — including half of Clinton voters — agreed that the superdelgates should throw their votes to the candidate who in the primaries and caucuses wins the largest share of pledged delegates. And as we all know, mathematically speaking, that will be Obama….
Also, how about telling us all how Hillary would win in November with ZERO Republican crossover votes, and virtually all independent votes going to McCain? Can’t be done.
And finally, I can’t help but notice with amusement how consistently and awkwardly you strain to include the name Rezko with each of your anti-Obama diatribes! Consider a new obsession, won’t you?
Posted by: Mark | March 5, 2008, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm
Obama was challenging Clinton on experience, Iraq judgement and Tax issues before Tuesday(03/04) and he is still doing that. Obama needs to do some Reality check as he was overconfidently saying “Clintons will fail and opposite happened”. He need to change his strategy.
On experience, Iraq judgement and Tax issues:
1. If I accept Obama’s argument that Clinton do not have experience, then What does Obama have to offer? Speeches for Hope.
When will “Church of Obama” understand that they will need to do more.
With this old petty politics, Obama do not offer anything different from old Washington Politics.
Obama should take this as a challenge for his judgement and make wise decision instead of chasing something that may not results in something.
2. Common Sense tells Hillary would not have entered the presidential race if there was anything to hide in her Tax records as Clintons are quite aware of implications and the boundaries of the Presidency. So, start thinking of “Plan B” in advance to react after the Clintons disclose their tax records or you will start noodling inside that records again and loose focus.
3. Consider that Voters are ready to see beyond Iraq war.
Posted by: JS | March 5, 2008, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm
the clintons brought years of shame? what has bushie and darth vader been doing for the past 7?!
obama is amazing, i will give him that. personally i just don’t think he has what it takes to make it work in DC. you can talk all you want, but it needs to get done and the establishment will not come easy to the negotiation table.
and what exactly are her negative attacks, she highlighted his weak points, if he can’t handle her now, what will he do against the red tide during the general election?
Posted by: roberto | March 5, 2008, 2:51 pm 2:51 pm
Obama all the way.. He is more electable than the shameful Clinton. That is why the republicans want her dirty self to be the nominee..
Obama 08
Posted by: aurelia | March 5, 2008, 2:53 pm 2:53 pm
It is very clear Hillary will win overall popular vote in the end since she won the big states. So it might be Obama has pledged delegate lead but Hillary got popular win: which one will represent the will of people from Dems: the divisive districts or the unitified overall Dems…
Overall popular win will be the majority of the people’s will, otherwise, people just mean to divide the party.. That is the strategy why winning the big states are so important based on neither will seal the pledged delegates…
Posted by: Truth | March 5, 2008, 2:55 pm 2:55 pm
ken, as soon as you mention “kool-aid,” I find you to be suspect, and a bit a of a lightweight. Just nmore old-style, Rovian, GOP-type politics. As Democrats, aren’t we supposed to be battling *against* such Bush-like behavior? Hmm.
Second, if/when Clinton loses this thing, will you soreheads REALLY go vote for a man who will basically be a 72-year-old version of GWB? If so, what does that say about you and your alleged principles? How can you expect anyone to trust or take you seriously when, because you didn’t get your way, you’re going to pout and become petulant and sulk, and will vote for a man who will work to continue denying and overturning everything Clinton claims to stand for?
Does Hillary want you to help overturn Roe v. Wade? Or keep the Bush tax cuts for the uber-wealthy? Or further stack the Supreme Court with still more right-wing ideologues?
Your hollow threats to vote for McCain if you don’t get your way are childish and insincere. And if you really are so petulant, unprincipled and politically suicidal, please, go. We don’t WANT you in our party.
Posted by: Mark | March 5, 2008, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm
Hurray for the Clintons — since they’ll do & say anything to win — they’ll drag down a good man so that even if he is the nominee he’ll be so damaged that she can say “I told you so”
If she’s nominee, all her sleletons will come walking out of the closet.
Go McCain
Posted by: truthiness | March 5, 2008, 3:01 pm 3:01 pm
Thank you Texas. Thank you Ohio. Thank you Rhode Island. Despite the media bias, despite the so called Obama momentum you all called the shots last night and told us where you stand. Yesterday the Obama folks were licking your feet and today they curse you, who knew?
Posted by: Dogsoldier | March 5, 2008, 3:03 pm 3:03 pm
Marko,
You forgot to mention the ABC poll that showing that Democratic voters favored a “winner take all” allocation of delegates and super delegates.
You also forgot to mention the NBC poll showing that voters overwhelmingly wanted to know more about Tony Rezko and the Obama connection.
Face it, the “boneheaded” decision relative to the Rezko influence and land deal and will continue to define the Obama campaign whether his supporters want to forget it or not.
Hey, the trial just got started two days ago. We all have a lot of time to learn about Senator Obama’s association with Tony Rezko, as do you.
As such, I will make it one of my purposes in life to inform voters (you do vote, don’t you?) of the sordid details and trial information as it comes available. If you detect anything awkward, it is probably the tightening of the Rezko noose.
Finally, I don’t post for your amusement, but keep smiling as you think about last night.
Oh, yeah, one more thing…
REZKO!
Posted by: ken | March 5, 2008, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm
Watch out PA and all the states to come. The Obama folks will lick your feet one day and curse you the next if you do not do as they say. BTW, the super delegates are not a profile in courage are they? So which way is the wind blowing today?
Posted by: Dogsoldier | March 5, 2008, 3:09 pm 3:09 pm
Republican will play two major cards in election: National security and NAFTA as McCain claimed.
Hillary will defend herself well on focusing the strategy to end of War rather than playing blame game who was wrong in the beginning. She has also shonw her urgency on National security crisis. So McCain may win a little bit but not the smoking gun becasue they cann’t accuse her position on War…
NAFTA is very complicated and conversary issue, no one will be winner. It was a comprised deal with balancing power and internation interests.
However, Hillary got three swords that will kill Republican: economy (McCain admitted himself not an expert), Healthcare and immigration reform.. That is the bottom line that Superdelegates are looking for…
Obama has no match on all the issues to McCain since he got no experiences.. The advantage he got is to bring more independent votes and young votes…
McCain is a moderate Rep so he will secure enough independent vote to crown all red states.. For younger vote, they just sway by…
Scandals: Hillary got all known scandals and Rep can’t dig anything new; However, Ohama claimed himself off dirty politics but actually came from the biggest dirty politics in his home town. Rep likes to dig that more…
Posted by: Truth | March 5, 2008, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm
i think your obama sopporters need to wake up and smell the coffee most of the states he won will go to the rep most of the states are rep just becuase more demcrate are voting is not becuase more dem are in those states is becuase rep are not out becuase maccain alrdy had it rap up early so no need to come out in big number, the 2 main states you need to win to win the white house obama caint win ohio and fla, obama lost big in ohio after spend most his times there and lost big in fla where h dont do well with elderly voters, this will go down to the convention and if it does hillary will win
Posted by: ernie | March 5, 2008, 3:37 pm 3:37 pm
Clinton has not committed to getting troops out of Iraq, only to follow the advice of the Generals, the ones put in place by Bush. She has not committed to any economic plan, only to study it. She has stated she will freeze forclosures, that is not within the power of the President to grant. She has no plan for social security, only a plan to gather a committee to study the problem. her anser to health care costs is to mandate the purchase of insurance. If you have to buy it, why should prices go down?
She gained a net 4 delegates yesterday, I won’t go as far as to call the nomination hers just yet.
Posted by: Louis | March 5, 2008, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm
Looks someone tries to accuse our Amry generals when our soldiers are in the front to protect your life… That is the exactly what McCain will go after…
Posted by: Truth | March 5, 2008, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm
ken: over 200 news stories and who knows how many investigations later….Nothing, nada, no wrong doing, no favors, no kick back nothing unseemly between Obama and Rezko. Even the house deal, it was Boneheaded because of the investigation not because the deal itself was shady. Was Rezko maybe trying curry favor, sure, did he get any favor, nope. Can the same be said for the rather large number of HRC supporters that have been jailed or under indictment? Who is Hsu? Actually convicted of fraud?
Posted by: Louis | March 5, 2008, 3:59 pm 3:59 pm
2 million people in Florida and michigan did not vote for Clinton. If you give Obama the uncommitted votes which were for Obama he would still have a 400,000 vote lead. Do the math dummy.
Obama was down 20 points in both states because large state primaries vote Clinton because of name recognition. He fought tooth and nail and narrowed every gap. The explanation for his loss is easy to explain 20% of Ohio voted on race and 10% of Texas voted on race. That’s why Obama loss
Posted by: cjtraylorjr | March 5, 2008, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm
I stated in earlier blogs that Obama was never the front runner! The pledge delegate was too close and many states had not yet had thei r chance to vote. Well slowly the rest of the states, starting with Texas, Ohio and Rhode Island where she won as well as Pennsylvania, and other states, as well as Puerto Rico will get to vote! And she will win these states. So, he was clearly not the front runner! And the fact is that voters do need to WAKE UP about the states that WIN the Election for Democrats! They are NOT the ones that Obama can carry. If we want a new Democratic President, it is time for Super Delegates to start endorsing and committing to Clinton. If we lose this race, the DNC and this race is doomed! And Clinton does NOT need Obama. That is pretty clear, again, in a General Election. He needs her! Stop looking at the “National Poll” data and start looking at who wins the SWING states in a General election over McCain. It is NOT Obama. It is Clinton. Look at Florida. Look at Ohio.
And the more America knows about Obama, the more they know he is a very divisive individualof Americans. Clinton is more divisive of Republican verses Democrat policy. This is what you would certainly what is acceptable and expected. But Obama is divisive of Americans, as his personal beliefs and actions do not even narrowly correspond to his rhetoric of unity for all. This is totally unacceptable! He would be ate up alive come November. I also wonder how many voters that had supported Obama, such as Wisconsin voters on his “NAFTA rhetoric” would vote for Clinton had they known he was using this strictly as a campaign ploy. Not to mention the negative media in other areas of his personal life that, finally, is slowly being brought to the forefront. In fairness to all that voted for him they should have had this knowledge BEFORE they cast their vote! And there is still a lot more in the closet. But it is coming out. If not soon, then under the Republicans. Yes, he needs Clinton not vice versa, and big time! Pennsylvania, Wyoming, and all other states and Super Delegates…
Posted by: Texas Democrat | March 5, 2008, 4:01 pm 4:01 pm
Someone made a very pre-mature assuption of Michigan votes… How about to give all uncommitted vote to John Edwards…
Posted by: Truth | March 5, 2008, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm
FOR YOUR INFORMATION ALL OF YOU OBAMA PEOPLE THAT SAY HILLARY IS DIVISIVE!!!!!! SHE COULD NOT HAVE WON HER SEAT IN THE NEW YORK STATE SENATE BY A LANDSLIDE BOTH TIMES WITHOUT THE REPUBLICAN VOTE!!!!! IN THE UPSTATE NEW YORK AREA THERE A A LOT OF REPUBLICANS(MY COUNTY IS ONE OF THE REPUBLICAN COUNTIES JUST LOOK UP INFORMATION ON GENESEE COUNTY IF YOU WANT TO SEE FOR YOURSELF)!!!!!!! THEREFORE SHE NEEDED AND GOT THE REPUBLICANS TO VOTE FOR HER IN NEW YORK SO WHY DO YOU PEOPLE SAY SHE CAN’T GET THEM IN THE GENERAL ELECTION????? YOU DO REALIZE THAT IF THE PRIMARY HERE WAS OPEN SHE PROBABLY WOULD HAVE WON WITH A LARGER MARGIN THAN SHE DID, BUT IT WAS A CLOSED PRIMARY SO PEOPLE LIKE ME WHO WANT HER TO BE YOUR NOMINEE AND THEN BE PRESIDENT COULDN’T VOTE FOR HER!!!!!! JUST SOME INFORMATION FOR YOU PEOPLE THAT DON’T SEEM TO KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!!!!!!!
Posted by: Hillary DID help NY: Courtney WNY State | March 5, 2008, 4:09 pm 4:09 pm
Who cares about the polls regarding what people think should be done with the super delegates? You can’t go changing the rules in the middle of an election.
Pledged PLEO Delegates are proportionally allocated according to the statewide vote.
Unpledged PLEO Delegates vote their conscience.
And no, I don’t think that MI and FL should be seated at the request of any particular candidate. They can make their own request to the DNC, which should follow a fair process for all candidates. Those were the rules that were established at the start of this race.
Posted by: LOM | March 5, 2008, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm
Louis,
I must respectfully disagree that nothing has surfaced relative to Rezko/Obama connections. I would also suggest that more about the legality/illegality of these connections relative to off shore accounts and family member accounts will surface during the course of the Rezko trial, which just started on Monday.
In my opinion, we need to allow our legal system the time necessary to find out all of the facts. If you don’t think that is a fair position, then consider all the taxpayers’ time and money that Ken Starr spent trying to find something…anything he could prosecute the Clintons for. And, he found…nothing.
At any rate, along with the rest of your investigation, please consider the following:
Rezko has contributed to, or raised money for, Illinois U.S. Sen. Barack Obama, current Illinois Comptroller Dan Hynes, Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan, and Illinois Lt. Gov. Pat Quinn, all Democrats. But his most notable fundraising efforts have been on behalf of Democratic Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich, which earned Rezko a spot within Blagojevich’s inner circle.
Rezko is accused of using his position on two state boards in an extortion scheme that would enrich him and his co-conspirators, while also adding to Gov. Blagojevich’s campaign coffers. He is charged with eight counts, including fraud, attempted extortion, money laundering and aiding bribery.
When Barak Obama was at Harvard Law School, Rezko offered him a job with his development company in Chicago. Obama declined. But the relationship grew while Obama worked as a Chicago community organizer and then for a small Chicago law firm. Obama’s firm did legal work for some of Rezko’s development companies. Obama himself billed five hours for work on behalf of one of Rezko’s nonprofit partners in an inner-city redevelopment project.
When Obama first ran for the Illinois state senate in 1996, Rezko was one of his first campaign contributors. He has remained a significant contributor to and fundraiser for Obama’s subsequent campaigns.
In 2004, the Obama family wanted to buy a mansion in Chicago’s Kenwood neighborhood, on the city’s South Side. The asking price was too high, so the owners agreed to split the house and an adjacent lot into two parcels.
The Obamas purchased the house in June 2005; Rezko, through his wife, Rita, purchased the side lot. About a half-year later, Obama purchased a 10-foot-wide strip of that side lot to increase his yard. Obama landscaped the Rezko parcel in exchange for Rezko paying for a security fence around it. At the time, news reports suggested Rezko was already under federal investigation. While there is no indication that there was anything illegal about the yard deal, even Obama now admits the transaction was “boneheaded.”
You can be the judge of whether or not the activities outlined here (and the outline is quite brief) justify charges against Mr. Rezko and an investigation into who else was involved in the Rezko dealings.
The larger question would be whether Democrats should take the chance of nominating anyone (not just Senator Obama) so closely associated with Tony Rezko as a Presidential candidate.
Once again, the Clintons have already put under the microscope by the Ken Starr machine. Nothing was found that would justify charges. The Obamas deserve the same, fair treatment.
Posted by: ken | March 5, 2008, 4:58 pm 4:58 pm
He’s really going to bring up the experience argument? How many head’s of state has he met with? So what if she wasn’t negotiating treaties, she was doing things like standing up for human rights. What 80 countries has Obama been to?
This is going to backfire on Obama.
Posted by: belle | March 5, 2008, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm
Good job Hillary. By going straight to Rovian Politics you’ve pretty much elected McCain.
Posted by: Clinton's one of them | March 5, 2008, 7:39 pm 7:39 pm
Firstly, Barack Hussein Obama should list his political experiences and demonstrate how he will be capable on day one, to take into account all of the pending files and wars, that George Bush will have waiting on the president’s desk in the White House.
Secondly, Hillary Rodham Clinton is well seasoned in the ways of Republicans, in the ways of foreign policies and she is ahead of the curve regarding the war in Iraq, by aligning all of the top American Military commanders to be ready to put her up to speed to voice their opinions, when she becomes President.
So, Obama defend your own experience and explain it to the American people.
I notice that you need to follow her during a debate when questions are being asked, so you can have a better idea of what the questions are all about.
Your normal answer is usually I agree with Hillary.
Now I noticed that you need to follow her after a primary, so you can slide in some of her better remarks, you are so obvious a follower, so step aside and follow your next president Hillary R. Clinton.
Posted by: TerryD | March 5, 2008, 9:29 pm 9:29 pm
ON Larry King tonight, even Bob Dole acknowledged Clinton’s experience as First Lady was valid and her level of involvement in foreign relations was legitimate experience. He specifically stated she has more experience than Obama. He said a lot of good things about her experience and accomplishments as a Senator and that his wife (also a Rep) works very well with her on matters in the Senate. The question for voters, he said, was simply who do the voters trust to have the right judgement for redphone moments. Of course, he then pitched Mccain (as expected since he is a Rep). But if Bob Dole favors Clinton over Obama in terms of experience and qualifications, that should be considered by voters of all affiliations. He may not have won a Presidential Election, but he is an accomplished and respected public servant.
Posted by: DCVoter | March 5, 2008, 10:57 pm 10:57 pm
DCVoter: Since Bob Dole ‘acknowledged her experience’, that makes it true? You need to apply independent thinking. Ask precisely WHAT IT IS that makes up this ‘experience’. Just because someone YOU respect says she ‘has experience’ doesn’t make it so. Consider this, many people don’t look at Bob Dole with respect. So his opinion won’t be relevant to many. What we must deal with here are facts. So please, elaborate for the ignorant among us, what experience it is exactly you and so many others speak of which qualifies her so overwhelmingly for President.
Posted by: tony | March 5, 2008, 11:28 pm 11:28 pm
Clinton with Obama? Why would Barack cheapen his career?
It’s also possible to mix high quality ice cream with steaming fertilizer.
It may the fertilizer taste better, but it doesn’t do a damn thing for the ice cream.
Posted by: Gorgon '08 | March 6, 2008, 1:24 am 1:24 am
The Democratic ticket is coming down to integrity, culture and how we want to be represented to the rest of the world. Personally I am sick and tired of being a country full of uneducated bullies. (Like Bush – The “Decider” – is that a word? but nice bully phrasology) Everybody knows the bully is always the victim that is the other side of that coin. Obama has never been the victim — even when Limbaugh came out with the Curious George remark, which is so disgraceful, I can’t even believe not one civil rights leader came forward — however Obama is never the bully either. There is another approach to life and we have a chance to create a culture in America that was left behind some time ago. A culture of decency and caring and community. It really doesn’t come down to experience, because we have chosen two people who would never qualify with those credentials. We are looking for candidates who will live up to their promises.
On the bully side – it is interesting that Hillary planted a questioner in the crowd, used ethically edgy tactical strategies and then when she couldn’t bring Obama down to her playing level, she reinvented herself as a decent person, and then cried that she didn’t get any good attention, and then when the spotlight was on her, she let it all out on Obama. And this wasn’t an ethical or truthful blow. The Canadian thing to the photo in garb, these are divisive tactics. Because that is what Hillary is good at. Do we really want Change? Because if we do, we want someone who is who he is: Obama. You can believe in that. That is why I switched my allegience from Hillary to Obama. Watching these events was sickening to me and I was ashamed of Hillary. Sorry, but that’s just the truth.
Posted by: SHannon Bertuch | March 6, 2008, 7:54 am 7:54 am
What’s Obama’s foreign policy experience?
Not holding senate hearings of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee which he chairs? He could have some experience if he would show up for his own committee meetings, if he called them and held them and asked questions during them.
Posted by: AmazonTraveler | March 6, 2008, 11:20 am 11:20 am
golfgirlusa;
You must be delusional!
Obama is ahead why should he settle for
VP?
Posted by: reaganfan | March 6, 2008, 12:50 pm 12:50 pm
Paul:
Why are you surprised/
The Clintons always speak out of both sides of their mouths!
You know “it depends on what your
definition of the word is is”.
Posted by: reaganfan | March 6, 2008, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm
Hillary Clinton’s kitchen sink included fearmongering (It’s 3am. Do you know where Bill is?), NAFTA-gate, the attempt to get “her” votes counted in Florida, and in Michigan where she was the ONLY ONE O N THE BALLOT BECAUSE THE OTHER CANDIDATES PLAYED BY THE RULES, and the picture of Obama in native African garb. The only thing the Clintons’ know is how to cheat to win. The question we voters have to ask is, “Do we want 8 more years of this lying, stealing, cheating, and promoting the same kind of fear mongering that Bush, Chaney, and Rumsfeld swept over our country?” I can imagine now that if Hillary were to become president she would speak to the nation every time she got mad with one of her opponents. Can any of you imagine what she would say to the head of state on her proverbial red phone? Would she scream to him, as she did to Barack Obama, to “meet me” for a showdown as she flails her arms to show how tough she is? Toughness does not mean that one is screaming about what they will do if elected president. The most able and tough people we know, oftentimes are composed, “rational,” and they have integrity. Their word is their bond. Hillary has no clue as to what real integrity means. And, God forbid, please don’t let both of those folks in the White House again. We won’t be able to take it. And yes, I am a woman, and I do not say these things because she is a woman. I say them because she has no character and integrity.
Posted by: Annie | March 6, 2008, 5:11 pm 5:11 pm
Right??!!?? Obama has more experience with “speech” & “hope”.
Posted by: v,ca | March 6, 2008, 10:20 pm 10:20 pm
v,ca: Neither Hillary Clinton Nor
Barack Obama have much experience that would qualify them to be president of the U.S.!
Hillary Clinton has been in the U.S. Senate for 6-7 years and Obama has been
in the U.S. Senate for about 4 years!
You’re talking apples and oranges here!
The only candidate capable and experienced enough to be president in these tough times is John McCain!
It’s a No-Brainer!
Posted by: reaganfan | March 7, 2008, 12:24 am 12:24 am
How come no one asks Hillary about Norman Hsu? I never heard fat-head Tim Russert ask her about that during any of the debates.
What about her thoughts on environmentally safe low-sulfur clean burning coal? I would love to hear an answer.
I bet none of you here even know the significance of low sulfur coal and how it relates to the Clintons.
Yes in these days of Saudi $105 per barrel oil dependency, we the good ole USA under Bill Clinton’s watch let a golden opportunity slip right through our hands.
Posted by: Condor | March 7, 2008, 8:27 am 8:27 am
here is the entire post that the forum monitor here seems to want to keep from you.
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How come no one asks Hillary about Norman Hsu? I never heard fat-head Tim Russert ask her about that during any of the debates.
What about her thoughts on environmentally safe low-sulfur clean burning coal? I would love to hear an answer.
I bet none of you here even know the significance of low sulfur coal and how it relates to the Clintons.
Yes in these days of Saudi $105 per barrel oil dependency, we the good ole USA under Bill Clinton’s watch let a golden opportunity slip right through our hands.
Posted by: Condor | March 7, 2008, 2:49 pm 2:49 pm