Pelosi’s Delegate Stance Boosts Obama

I rarely agree with the Democratic leadership including Pelosi and Reid. They are spineless!
But, this is by far the most courageous thing I’ve heard this year!
Thank you

Nancy Pelosi can’t even run the congress so what makes her a reliable voice in this election. She needs to be fired from after all the blunders in the congress. Let’s just say her judgement isn’t that good. She’s not so popular in California anyway.

No, she is wrong. Whom ever is leading in the popular vote is the person who should get the nomination. What the heck is wrong with you people. We are a representative government. If more people vote for one candidate then they deserve the nomination.
Which is also why Al Gore should have been the President in 2000…
God, how quickly we forget.
LET THE PEOPLE DECIDE!

I just enjoy watching all of this!

Normally, I would agree with Ms. Pelosi insofar that the will of the people should be respected.
However, the Democrats have Super-delegates for a reason; to make sure the wackos in their party don’t nominate a candidate who is unelectable in the general election.
As much joy as it would give me to watch the Dem’s shoot themselves in the foot this election cycle and nominate Obama, the reasoned strategist in me says that the Super-delegates should do their job and protect their party, and back Hillary all the way.

Pelosi is completely correct and I’m glad she has the spine to say it. If we buy into a bunch of alternate universe approaches, we end up debating what the meaning of “is” is….

Just a hunch, but I don’t think Nancy will be getting a Christmas card from the Clintons this year.

aren’t the democrats the ones who said a similar situation wasn’t fair in 2000?

Its a good thing Nancy doesn’t get to vote for everyone and decie who gets to be Vp for the nominee and well decide everything for everyone, which is obviously what she wants.
Honestly it’s none of her business how superdelegates vote, or how any other delegates vote for that matter.
They get to vote for who thay want no matter what aunt Nancy says.
Maybe she could try doing her job. I hear it hasnt been going that well.

PELOSI: KEEP YOUR YAPPER SHUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you read Pelosi’s words carefully, she just like to spin again: “But it’s a delegate race,” Pelosi replied. “The way the system works is that the delegates choose the nominee.”
She is correct: it is delegates to decide who the nominee is, she does not mention only “pledged delegates”.. she said “delegates”, which includes……
She is “politically correct”… let convention decide…

Methinks Pelosi, like Oprah, would be intimidated by a stronger woman like Hillary, thusly, seek to squeeze her out of the picture. Kudos to Hillary for rising above betrayal after betrayal. Something to think about.

Why have any rules or guidelines at all? They are quickly and conveniently disposed of whenever they don’t suit the plans.

In a rare moment on honesty, Pelosi just sank Hil’s battleship. Too bad. I was looking forward to watching McCain demolish her. But now I can watch him demolish the empty suit that is Mr. Obama.

S.B. Yup, I can imagine Hillary saying something like that to Nancers. At which point Nancers should come back with a witty reply like “…I hear Vince was almost as hard as Bill was with Monica when they found him…

Again, Pelosi said: “delegates”, Not “pledged delegates”…
She is a fox…can go either way…

If you listen really hard you can hear the ObamaBubble bursting? Can you hear it now?

Obama is the only hope for the country. Hillary is a horribly flawed person who would farther divide a country teetering on the brink of collapse due to the Clinton and Bush years. We cannot survive Hillary and most of the country knows it. Where are the Clinton 06 and 07 tax and library records? What are they hiding and why are they delaying except to hide what we all suspect is a list of corrupt donors.

It’s true those superdelegates can vote any way they want. Heck, I’m sure that 20,000,000 devoted Obama supporters wouldn’t mind in the least bit if it was 800 superdelegates who ultimately gave the nomination to Hillary. I’m sure there would be no hard feelings at all if Obama went into the convention with more pledged delegates and the party leadership (which as I understand it includes at least one 21 year old guy in Wisconsin) made the difference. I’ve heard he’s for Obama, but in any case that means one superdelegate has the same weight as about 50,000 voters who spent time listening to speeches, commercials, and waiting in line to vote. Yup, no hard feelings at all.

Hey Barack, if your pastor’s words ain’t legit, you must stop peddlin’ your b.s…

Knowing Nancy, she took the most practical, common-sense approach. This is the way the rules were set up — follow them.

Batman,
Sounds like you’ve gotten a little too friendly with Robin. Beware! There are commies everywhere and they’re coming to get you. Be very afraid.

What don’t the Clinton supporters understand about these FACTS: Clinton is behind in the delegate count by such a margin that it is statistically impossible for her to catch up. She’d need 80% of the vote in ALL remaining states, and she’s lucky if she gets even 50% given Obama’s support level. He will finish with the most delegates by a stable margin, and he will be the nominee. Clinton needs to drop out so that the party can unite behind Obama. Period.

It is such a sad spectacle to see (and read) so many Clinton supporters (like the “leaders” they are advocating) appearing, speaking, and behaving more and more like the Southern racist Democrats of 1888. With absolutely no shame in so far as their obvious racist political tricks is concerned. Wise up, folks. The enemy is not a man named Obama, it is your own unfounded fears of a (any) ethnic minority individual (in this case a Black man) at the helm of our nation.

It’s quite possible Obama could win the popular vote but lose the electoral college.
I bet Nancy would have some grand statemetns about that!

Is Obama’s plan to accuse every McCain supporter of being a racist–just like he’s done with Hillary supporters.
Racism also works both ways…so you might wanna check to see that African American’s are voting against Hillary by 90 percent. :)

As usual, send grandmom Pelosi back home!
The delegate were created TO PREVENT VOTERS from having their say! Democrats don’t believe in this form of government! It’s only because Queen Bee Nancy can’t stand the thought of a woman over her!
She hates Hillary! It has nothing to do with fairness….

Tell Pelosi that I won’t support a candidate that says one thing and then does another. Obama, Hillary and HER included!!!
I’m done with the lying democrats and my husband won’t vote for Obama.
There is two you’ve lost!
I will write in Ron Paul at least he hasn’t lied to me during this election or on the ecomony!

She has no chance to catch him in the popular vote; that is a myth. If you calculate the caucuses, he is currently up 1 million voters. Without the caucuses he is up 600,000. Add in Florida and Michigan and it still wont matter. This thing is done, but the MSM needs a story.

I think Pelosi doesn’t want Hillary Clinton to steal her “First Lady Speaker of the House” history making thunder. Too bad, her uncontrollable urge to hint about where she stands doesn’t exactly reflect leadership skills. Pelosi is joining right in with the division. Politicians…

Eric – the TX SOS has already stated officially that Clinton won the popular vote in TX. You cant count the caucus voters again in terms of the popular vote. Now the Obama camp claims the popular vote is the will of the voters so he obviously concedes TX to Clinton. Disproportionate allocation of delegates in TX and the fixed caucuses currently being challenged are the only reason he might win more delegates for TX but even he himself expects it to be a split. The representive disparity caused by caucuses or low turnout are offset by the SDs.
The nomination process is the pregame practice for the election. Democrats have only won 3 elections for President in the past 40 years because they keep nominating candidates who are not the most electable. The SDs will take all of the factors into consideration and make the call they feel is the right one to actually get a dem in the WH again.
Pelosi is not a true democrat (just like Obama) if she does not support a process that the party agreed to from the beginning of the campaign. (I suspect she knows she may be out of office soon and is trying to get an appointment of some sort.)
The MI and FL revotes are within the rules and hopefully will happen as well. Prior to their delegates being taken away, Clinton said she believed they should not be disenfranchised and that whomever the nominee is should ask their delegates to be seated which is within the rules.
Pelosi and Obama are consistently working to pressure SDs to not abide by party rules and that is just wrong and not loyal to the party that claims to be democratic.

Come on people – Pelosi is pulling for Obama because SHE wants to be the first female president.

… unh … without hearing the full context, admittedly, I do think a faulty headline here has most of the political universe looking bassackwards. Pelosi’s delegate stance does not augur for Obama in the slightest – it undermines him, unequivocally. So he wins the popular vote (most likely). YAY!!
But … “it’s the delegates, stupid”, says Pelosi. Where’s the boost in that?

Methinks Pelosi, like Oprah, knows a backstabbing shrew when they see one. Thusly, Hillary needs to go away so the party can unite and win in November…
Welcome abord Nancy!

The comment is coming from Rep Pelosi whose idea of crossing party lines to achieve result (just like Sen Obama’s change) netted her 19% approval rating because the democratic majority hasn’t accomlished anything. Nada

There’s only room for one Queen Bee in every hive.
Nancy Pelosi rarely puts common sense ahead of self promotion, but this time she seems to have it right.
Having to state that delegates should actually represent the voters indicates how warped the DNC thinking has become.
It’s probably because the superdelegates feel intimidated by the Clintons. Nancy has provided cover for these party leaders to do the right thing and avoid soiling their reputations by getting into bed with the (shudder) Clintons.

Pelosi hurts Hillary in a very big way – after seeing what a poor job a woman has done as Speaker, she’s the best argument against putting one in the White House.
Congress has lower ratings than GWB – thank you Nancy. You are an embarrassment to women in power everywhere.

LOL I think readers are missing the real meat in what she said. She did not say the pledged delegates determine the winner instead of popular vote. She said it’s a delegate system. This means all the delegates including SDs. So her statement is politically safe no matter who is the nominee. We all know she hopes to get an appointment from either camp since she will likely not win re-election.

The race as it stands has no clear delegate winner. Therefore the public has decided and they did so by choosing different candidate. Sorry it ###### off people like Pelosi, but that’s the way it is. We aren’t all students or latte sippers.
The Press might want Obama to win, but why? He certainly is NOT the sharpest knife in the draw.

Why do they have superdelgates if they are now saying they should just follow the crowd? Obama is a creation of the press. He is the Golden boy, the savior in their eyes because he acts and speaks well…that is the only thing he has ever done well.
He isn’t even a good Senator. Sure it would be headline news if we had a black..oh excuse me multiracial who calls himself black as President. It would be even better if he were qualified. He gets away with what other races wouldn’t….all other races.

Pelosi is right (and she rarely is!). 2 things wrong with the so-called popular vote: 1, the Democratic primary system uses both primaries, caucuses, and hybrids. 2, the 2 million voters in my state of CA would greatly outnumber the 6,000 who voted in the Wyoming election. The delegates allow for fair representation. After all, a democrat is a democrat, whether he or she happens to live in San Francisco or Boise, Idaho.

d c voter
my point is, now that it seems unlikely
that Hillary will win the delegates or the supers race , there are feelers being put out that the popular vote should be given some sort of consideration , maybe to stem Hillary’s super delegate defections

superdelegates were instituted to avoid the possible disastrous consequences of ‘caucuses’ as opposed to direct election primaries. superdelegates are to exercise their independent judgment in the best interests of the party, not just blindly follow the votes in the primaries/caucuses — otherwise, there would be no reason to have superdelegates. it’s like having both a Senator and a member of the House. superdelegates in this case could help the Democrat party avoid the consequences of mischeivous white males who will not vote for Hillary but will vote for McCain, especially if SenObama does not address the ‘hate issues’ of his minister on a one-on-one basis — does SenObama agree with his minister that God should damn America, that 9/11 was America’s fault, that white Americans ‘invented’ AIDS, that white Americans rule America, that American has oppressed Lebanon, that Israel does not have a right to exist?

The funny part is
Clinton steals the nomination from Obama and the Black voters and Obama supporters will stay home and not vote for her in the general election hoping Clinton will lose so Obama can run in four years.
If Obama holds on and gets the nomination the Clinton political machine and all their friends in the democratic party won’t support Obama hoping he will lose so Clinton can run in four years.

TEXAS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHY IT SHOULD BE VOTES, NOT DELEGATES.
HILLARY CLEARLY WON THE TEXAS PRIMARY. BUT THEN TEXAS THREW IN THE DELEGATES FROM THEIR CORRUPT CAUCUS FIASCO.
THOSE DELEGATES WERE EXTREMELY CORRUPTED IN MANY WAYS AND THE TOTAL DELEGATE COUNT WAS CORRUPTED.

Why bother with having “normal” citizens vote? Why not just let the “important” people like Pelosi and the super delegates decide?

DEMS ARE TIRED OF PELOSI,,SHE IS A FLIP FLOPPER…WE HAD ALOT OF CONFIDENCE IN HER WHEN SHE WON SPEAKER,,BUT ITS TIME FOR HER TO BE REPLACED,,SHE HAS NOT FULFILLED HER SEAT….ANOTHER DO NOTHING AND TALK,,,SUPERDELEGATES DON’T WANT TO CHOOSE THE PRESIDENT,,THEY WANT THE PEOPLE TO DO IT,,AND ISN’T THAT DEMOCRACY? NO WONDER THEY WANT YOU OUT,,IM TIRED OF CORRUPTION IN OUR GOVERNEMNT,,LET THE PEOPLE DECIDE

I agree with what Nancy Pelosi is saying because it is a delegate race remember that’s how we got Bush the first time.

IF Barack Hussein Obama BECOMES OUR PRESIDENT, THAT WILL BE THE END OF THE USA.
HE enjoys setting people at loggerheads. HE IS GOOD AT PLAYING DIRTY TRICKS. HOWEVER, HE HAS NO ABILITY ENOUGH TAKING OVER THIS COUNTRY.
I SUPPORT Hillary BECAUSE I REALLY TRUST HER.

obama’s economical plan is a joke .he is a doublespeaker.

Ask OB, Yes we can. Change the Oil Price!!!

Yeah I’m with her (LOL) Whats her approval numbers. Let the superdelgates vote the way their popular vote went in there cities, counties,districts or states who ever the represent. Do the math as now Hillary takes the delegate lead with the superdelegates and could sweep him under the rug in Pa. Then while she can spin that reminder her the big prize is on electoral votes not popular votes I think she was around in 2000.

what a joke!
A vote for Obama is a vote for “Change”. “Change” to what? “Change” to “Hope”! A vote for Obama is a vote for “Hope”. “Hope” for what? “Hope” to “Change”! We need to “Hope”, we need to “Change”, because hoping is changing and changing is hoping.
If obama is the Dem nominee, I will do what he is best at when it’s time to vote. I will write in “Present” and for “Present”.

Madam Speaker, would you say the same thing if your party’s nominee were to win the popular votes and John McCain got to win the electoral college votes in GE? If yes, then why do Democrats still whine about the 2000 GE and keep crying that Al Gore won because of the popular votes? Or maybe the prospect of a madam President would be too much for you personally? Boy, aren’t these Democrats such pathetic hypocrites!”
Jeremy, looks like you need to be educated about the electoral college. There is stark contrast between the Democratic nominating process and the electoral college. Democratic delegates are awarded proportionately whereas, in the general, electors are determined by winner-take-all (win state popular vote = win ALL electors). You’re comparing apples to oranges.

to S.b. who said “Honestly it’s none of her business how superdelegates vote, or how any other delegates vote for that matter.”
It is here business. She is the chairperson of the Democratic Convention in Denver. It’s her show.

If there was jsut the primary vote that gave the delegates and not the intimadating caucuses that not every can attend I would say give it to the person with the delegates, but there needs to be primary’s to allow a person to be able to vote wihtout intimadation.

Wait a minute, isn’t that very similar to what happened when the Dems claimed Bush “stole” the election from Gore? Gore won the popular vote, but Bush won the electoral college vote.
“Pelosi argued that superdelegates should follow the pledged-delegate, not the popular-vote, leader.
“But what if one candidate has won the popular vote and the other candidate has won the delegates?” asked Stephanopoulos.
“But it’s a delegate race,” Pelosi replied. “The way the system works is that the delegates choose the nominee.”
I guess Obama “stole” the primaries from Hillary?

Nancy is absolutely correct. The contest IS a delegate contest. There is NO popular vote in caucus states. There are only delegates won in both kinds of contests. If the race was decided by the popular vote, the states that held caucuses would not have a voice at all. Obama won some of the caucuses by more than 2 to 1 margins. What would the popular vote have been in those states had there been one? The election would be decided by only primary states if the popular vote was a criteria. Makes no sense and is not fair at all. In addition, unless there is a re-vote in MI and FL, those results are invalid too. How many voters sat home on election day because the contest was not to mean anything? In MI, only Hillary was on the ballot. Her stance on MI and FL is enough to disqualify her as a candidate with any integrity.

Well now we know that if Obama wins the nomination, 50% of Hillary’s supporters will vote for McCain. And if Hillary steals the nomination, 50% of Obama’s supporters will vote for McCain. I’ll have to tell my childen not to have kids. If they do they will have to fight in and pay for the war in Iraq for the next 100 years. I guess I’ll get us to president Mcbush and president McRomney after him. It will be a loooooonngg time before a Democrat see’s the inside of the white house.

Oboma is toast

PELOSIS NEEDS TO RESIGN HER POSITION.
DOES SHE APPROVE OF OBAMA BEING A 20 YEAR MEMBER OF A RACIST CHURCH BUT DENES KNOWING IT. JUST LIKE HE DENIED HIS FRINEDSHIP WITH REZKO. OBAMA IS FRIENDS WITH WILLIAM AYERS. IF IT WERE HILLARY, SHE WOULD BE GONE.
PELOSIS WANTS TO BE THE TOP WOMEN OF POWER, SHE WILL LOOSE HER TOP DOG SPOT IF HILLARY WINS. WOMEN ARE VOTING FOR HILLARY BECAUSE WE BELIEVE SHE IS THE BEST CANDIDATE!!!!!!!!!!!
MAYBE BILL WAS JUST TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT OBAMA…HE IS NO DIFFERENT. WHY DID THE MSM FAIL TO REPORT THINGS ABOUT OBAMA BEFORE ALL OF THE PRIMARIES STARTED. INSTEAD, THE MSM FELL IN LOVE WITH OBAMA.
I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR OBAMA. I WILL NEVER VOTE DEMOCRATIC AGAIN. THIS IS A DISGRACE!!!!!!!!!!

Obama has a 20 year association of an
America hater and racist and they are
best friends. My mind is made up
Obama is a RACIST.

It is good to see Pelosi showing some ovarian fortitude!
Other leaders in the Democratic Party had better ALSO step in and remind Americans that DELEGATES are the basis of scoring for the nomination in BOTH Democratic and Republican Primaries.
The Clintons are using their deceptive lawyering skills to confuse Americans and sow divisiveness and dissension in their hearts, by introducing their own CLINTON MEASURE for the nomination of the Democratic Party.
Hilary Clinton, as a female, has no dignity left after her husband repeatedly humiliate her. So Hilary Clinton can’t care if she ruined the chances for the Dems come November.
Dems should recall that it was these said Clintons who ruined the chances of the Dems in 2000.
The Clintons Monica Lewinskied the Oval Office, PUBLICLY AND BRAZENLY LIED and turned off the American people from Al Gore, and enabled the 8 years of Bush-whacking of America.

Who cares what Pelosi says. She absolutely doesn’t want Hillary as President. She wants to be the most powerful woman.

This woman took over the House just one short year ago and look what has happened to the economy. Why would anyone listened to what she has to say?
If Bush can be blamed for 9/11 just 8 months after election and no time for transition we can surely blame the House (where all spending originates) for the dismal economy. How does it feel Libs?

I guess Nancy was out of the loop on Pastor Wright’s rant. But then again she probably agrees with him.

If the selection isnt based on the vote of the people, why waste money on this whole farce? It’s pretty clear that the will of the delegates doesn’t matter. If they don’t abide by the delegate selection process, why even have all this BS? Just flip a coin for president too, why not? we couldn’t possibly do any worse than the Ahole president we have now.

If this is the case, why do we need 2025 delegates for a candidate to win the Democratic Nomination? Why not just say, “Whoever gets the most primary/caucus delegates wins the nomination? “ We have the superdelegates for a reason.
We need a Democratic Nominee with SUBSTANCE who can WIN in November. Senator Obama gives a good speech but that will not be enough to win in the general election. The Republicans WILL RIP HIM TO SHREDS. This is not wishful thinking. Look what they did to John Kerry (SWIFT BOAT). Obama will not even know what hit him. We do not need another four years of the Bush administration.

AlanBTR ,
Easy answer to your super-delegate question…The obvious reason is the elites in the DNC do not trust the popular vote, super-delgates are the insurance that is needed in case the popular vote does not favor the nominee of the elites. What other reason for them ae there?

Hillary can win it if Senator Obama starts to fade over his preachers comments. If she catches the Popular Vote overall, and that will include the vote tally in Florida the Super Delegates will give her the nomination and make Barak take the VP. If Barak can hold the Delgate lead and Popular vote he wins it, and take Virginia’s Governor or Ex-Governor Warner as his VP! Hillary will bow out with grace, and wait as some of her support from woman sit home and the hispanics go for McCain, yet for another 4 years later for Hillary to reign!

She and all those people in the higher office within the Democratic party shouldn’t have come up with superdelegates. Now they are scare because its getting dirty and nasty out there. Well too bad Mrs Pelosi, you are in higher position and in charge for a reason, so u can come up with excellent ideas, not bring ideas and then if the tough gets going then lets scrap the idea of the superdelegates and how they work. Mrs Pelosi you need to shut your mouth and let the process take place. You talk about rules this and rule that, well then apply all rules, not just the ones u feel like.

Norino
I believe it might be possible for Senator Obama to win more delegates in the primaries and caucuses (time will tell) while Hillary wins the POPULAR VOTE. When the superdelegates come into play, they need to consider both results as well as who will be the stronger canidate in November. We just don’t know enough about Senator Obama. To get a taste of what we will hear if he wins the nomination, listen to Rush and Hannity for a while. I’m telling you, the republicans will rip him to shreds and we will have Bush III for four more years.

NANCY NEEDS TO BE REMOVED FROM HER SEAT.
EVERYBODY IS SCARED OF NOT GIVING BLACK
AFRICAN AMERICAN’S WHAT THEY WANT SO THEY THROW EVERYONE ELSE UNDER THE TRAIN.OBAMA IS ANTI CHRIST,IS RACIST,
AND A LIAR.SUPERDELEGATES NEED TO VOTE FOR HILLARY.OBAMA WILL DESTROY AMERICA
SHOULD HE WIN.I AM A DEMOCRAT BUT WOULD
VOTE FOR JOHN MCCAIN OVER O.B.NANCY NEEDS TO GO CHECK RATINGS

As an American, I would be afraid to get
behind a candidate whose “mentor” espouses that I, and my ilk are not
“black” enough to understand Obama. Maybe it is incumbent on Obama to connect with “us”….the electorate!
Sans Rev. Wright. Barack has stepped
into a morass from which he will not
recover. Hillary has her own moral
demons…one of which she is married to.
No matter, the main stream media
will unite behind one…and sell it
day after day ’til November. Count on
it!

does anybody pay attention to nancy pelosi?
she spends every day counting her money and getting treatments.

Is she serious?
“But what if one candidate has won the popular vote and the other candidate has won the delegates?” asked Stephanopoulos.
“But it’s a delegate race,” Pelosi replied. “The way the system works is that the delegates choose the nominee.”
Is she retarded?! What kind of response is that? First of all, if it is a “delegate race” as Nancy Pelosi so elegantly points out, then that means that the SUPERdelegates should count as well since they are in fact DELEGATES. I believe what Ms. Pelosi was trying to say is that the WILL OF THE PEOPLE should not be overturned, however, the will of the people will not be shown by the delegate count, but instead by the popular vote. SO, I’m pretty sure that if one candidate has a delegate lead and the other has a lead in the popular vote, the nomination should go to the person with the most popular votes since that truly demonstrates the will of the people (and also that the delegate allocation process is completely screwed up and actually undermines the will of the people).
Why doesn’t Nancy Pelosi just endorse Senator Obama already…or shut the **** up.

Nancy needs to tell Hillie that she will do what it take to not have to share power with another female.
Come on nancy, show some intellectual honesty and inform the clintons of the truth.

She is nuts.

Nancy is wrong! And I no longer support Nancy Pelosi! Obama recent revelation about his political and spiritual advisor makes me sick. The superdelgates MUST stop Obama from winning the nomination.
Here is what Obama said in an interview : “”What I value most about Pastor Wright is not his day-to-day political advice,” Obama said. “He’s much more of a sounding board for me to make sure that I am speaking as truthfully about what I believe as possible and that I’m not losing myself in some of the hype and hoopla and stress that’s involved in national politics.”
“” – Chicago Tribune Jan 2007
.
What kind of ’sounding board’ and ‘truthful speaking’ can a person who wants God to damn America and believes that white people create AIDS to kill black people inspire?
Is THAT the source of Obama’s much vaunted ‘judgement’?

The democrats have once again demonstrated they are anything but democratic. They can’t even run primary elections and some of you out there are trying hard to let them run the country????????
Look folks, we’re in enough trouble without putting terrorist sympathizers and people who hate the economic system that gave us the best standard of living in the world in office.

Things are going to change it is not too late. Voters have now had their eyes opened to BO and I think people are going to turn this thing around – How can people support BO when he has been listening to this racists all these years. It is SCARY. Hillary will save us and superdelegates are hopefully smarter than the young kids who have been dupped.
Are you young white folks gonna smarten up now? Do you want to be scared to walk down the street. He is not severing his ties with this man and he has been listening to this vile talk for years.
There is NO CHANGE and the only thing that will change if he gets in is white people will face more discrimination than they have EVER known.
Hillary can turn this country around. Before it is too late – help her out and quit sending your hard earned money to Obama who will NEVER have your white back.

Isn’t it scary that Nancy Pelosi is RIGHT on something? Gives me the shivers!

As a 76 year old man, who once voted Democratic every election, I now ask if a ideology that can’t resolve a campaign train wreak of their own making, how do they propose to solve the many complex issues which would face them as new administrators of this country. It’s scary, to say the least.
I think I just became an Independent.

As Clinton Communications Director Howard Wolfson said, “This is a race for delegates…It is not a battle for individual states…” [http://tinyurl.com/2nokfr]
“This is very much a race for delegates at this point,” said Ickes, a longtime Clinton insider and aide to President Bill Clinton. [http://tinyurl.com/35enbn]
Considering that even the Clinton campaign agrees, then Pelosi should have no problem at all with her position.

ozamerican: Are you like the rest of the American people that don’t know what their doing. Pelosi does not want Hillary as President because Pelosi is only a house speaker and Hillary would be above her. But no matter what Pelosi said she isn’t the boss of the delegates. The superdelegates can switch their votes from one to another. Get a grip on life and listen carefully to the news media. Then you will learn something.

Very simple, any person who thinks Clinton can win is out of reality, as all conservatives and anybody who likes Republican will vote for McCain if Hillary is standing. They hate the Clintons, period. Obama has the power to attract all kinds of people, think wide guys, forget racism.

WHEW!!!! can’t believe i finally got through most of these posts. Ms Speaker certainly has struck a cord here. Can’t say I’ve ever seen so many pro Clinton and Republican posts on an article before and with such strong emotion. But then I shouldn’t be quite so supprised. The more it appears that an African-American just might, just might mind you, have a legit chance of reaching the Whitehouse, the louder the apparant losers will scream.

Al Gore, where are you? Please cast your superdelegate vote now for the leader in the number of states won, delegates and popular vote. Your vote will force a tumble of the dominos and will make all of this ugliness and tearing down of the party stop. Then we can get on with building a democratic victory in November.

Ah, so now Nancy Pelosi just thinks we should write off the vote of the people in this contest? In a democracy, and yes as far as I can tell we are still a DEMOCRACY, the popular vote (the vote of the PEOPLE) SHOULD be the ultimate deciding factor in an election. Give me a break, this woman makes the dumbest statements sometimes and clearly her role as Dem House leader has gone completely to her head.

What don’t the Clinton supporters understand about these FACTS: Clinton is behind in the delegate count by such a margin that it is statistically impossible for her to catch up. She’d need 80% of the vote in ALL remaining states, and she’s lucky if she gets even 50% given Obama’s support level. He will finish with the most delegates by a stable margin, and he will be the nominee. Clinton needs to drop out so that the party can unite behind Obama. Period.
Posted by: Eric | Mar 14, 2008 7:21:11 PM
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But she could still overtake him in the popular vote, so what’s your point? That the unpledged delegates should just toss out all those popular votes, the votes of the people, not consider them at all, and go with who has the most pledged delegates? Which by the way, a little know fact, the pledged delgates CAN actually vote for the other candidate at the convention.
So, again exactly WHY should CLinton drop out at this point?

Don’t believe Nancy, the power brokers she works for will do what they want. Screw the popular vote count.
It’s the party way on both sides of the isle.

Nancy Pelosi, is out of touch with America she is so liberal. She has nothing in common with a democrat from Kansas or the heartbelt of america. She is afraid that Clinton (since she is more centrist) would neutralize her. Well she has done a great job of neutralizing herself. Congress’ job approvals are even lower than Bush’s. It takes a special talent to get that low and she has it. Now she is going to work her magic on the presidential election. Mark my words if Obama is our nominee he will lose Ohio, Penn, Florida, and the whole south. Once again Pelosi will be responsible for screwing up everything. Maccain will be elected, but she will keep her job which is all she cares about.

Superdelegates undemocratic? Sorry, but those were the rules of the primary BEFORE we started and they can vote for whichever candidate they want for ANY reason. Voting for Hillary if she ends up with the MOST popular votes Nationwide seems more democratic than pledged delegates. I guess you think the electoral college makes sense as well.

Queenie Peolosi giving her support. Talk about the kiss of death ;-)

Pelosi & Dean,
You are not using the judgement required of a leaders of the Democratic Party
The role of the “super-delegates”, to look beyond the immediacy of the moment, and make individual judgments of what ticket has the best chance of defeating the Republican candidate in the general election. And why should the “super-delegates” play that role? Not only because that’s the way the rules are, and we are being told constantly that everyone should play by the rules, but also because they are uniquely qualified to make that judgment. The vast majority have participated in dozens of elections (or hundreds); their own and others. They have a deeper and vastly more informed perspective on what it takes to win general elections than does the average voter. Their expertise is an invaluable aid to making sure a Democratic candidate actually gets to be President. They are mostly elected officials who will have to go back and face their constituents and explain in detail why they made the judgment they did. They, unlike any of the other delegates, are truly accountable for their votes to more than just their favorite candidate.
The majority of states are firmly planted in either “Red” or “Blue” territory. Because of their demographics, party registration, or culture, about 35 states are overwhelmingly likely to vote the same way they have for decades, for either the Republican or the Democratic candidate, no matter what name is on the ballot. In the general election, there is no proportional allocation of Electoral College votes. It’s winner-take-all. It is highly unlikely that any Democrat can win states such as Wyoming, Idaho, Utah, Kansas, North Dakota, Alaska, South Carolina and others that carried Barack to this point in the primary contest.
Only a handful, either because of their almost equal balance between Republican and Democratic registrations, or the changing demographics, make the Electoral College votes for that state competitive. Those are the “Purple” states; those which are neither definitively Red nor definitively Blue. And those states are what this race, and the next one are actually all about.
The color Purple. Much as we may crave it, we do not live in a democracy. If we did then each person would have one vote in every issue, and that vote would count as much as any other. But we don’t. If you participated in a caucus, your vote counted about ten times as much as someone who voted in a primary. In the general election, what ultimately matters is the votes in the Electoral College, not the popular vote, as we re-learned so painfully in 2000. So the question facing the uncommitted “super-delegates” is how do we run the best campaign with the highest probability of defeating John McCain in November, and win the majority of Electoral College votes. Cuurently Clinton has 267 electoral votes and Obama has 202 electoral votes using the same method as used in the GE. Assume that Hillary wins PA, WV, Indiana
and Obama gets SD, NC , OR , MT , Clinton will have 308 electoral votes and Obama will have 230 Electoral votes. You know who should be on top of the DREAM ticket.

It doesn’t matter what particular rule or circumstance is being discussed, if it’s a disadvantage for Hillary, she and her campaign will argue that it should be changed.

I think Nancy Pelosi is jealous of Hillary if she became president, Nancy does not want to see Hillary`s first president of USA , Right??

we need a president that doesn’t have a record of crooked friends – Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | Mar 15, 2008 9:06:27 AM
Then that would definitely leave out Hillary Clinton!

The super delegates may have a legitimate role in a scenario where no candidate has a majority of the elected delegates. But it is truly bizzare that any superdelegate would consider it their job to subvert teh will of the majority.

Can BHO really claim to have the most votes? For the most part the smaller states have caucuses and it has been proven that caucuses do not necessarily reflect the will of the majority so his winning those really does not mean that he would have won if a popular vote had been held. You also have to take away from his total the votes of republicans who crossed over to throw chaos into the democratic selection process. Then you need to add in Michigan and Florida.
If the Michigan primary was counted you would have to allot HRC the number of delegates that she was entitled to because the people of MI voted for her. I would argue that you could not give BHO any MI delegates because his name was not on the ballot. I don’t think it would be wise to give delegates to someone whose name was not on the ballot. HRC would have a field day in court and most likely win if you tried.
A percentage of the MI delegates would have to be seated but forced to stay uncommitted until the party agreed to release all the delegates and let them vote their preference, if it comes to that. I think FL will have to be seated with the votes as cast in the initial primary.
My understanding is that the SD’s are there to look after the interest of the DEM party.
Why are they choosing sides now? I would think that they should have been told to stay on the sidelines until the convention. Their purpose is to be above the emotions of the rank and file voter and look at what is best for the party in the long run. If this isn’t the case why do you even have them?
As usual the Dems are bending the rules or inventing new ones as the situation unfolds in order to get the outcome they want. They then use the MSM and polls to decide on what is right. Rules are meant to be changed or re-interpreted, ethical behavior and fairness don’t count, winning is the only thing that matters. For years they have been getting away with this tactic but because the victims have been republicans, they could have cared less. But now they are doing it to themselves and they don’t like it. LOL!
Advice to HRC: Go for it! If you don’t end up as the DEM nominee, run as an independent. It doesn’t matter how you get there, only winning counts. History forgets quitters and losers!
Advice to BHO: Go for it! If you don’t end up as the DEM nominee, run as an independent. It doesn’t matter how you get there, only winning counts. History forgets quitters and losers!
This is more entertaining than any sitcom could ever be.
OMG I have a great idea, why don’t we just start over and make everybody revote. Maybe we could have a national primary and if you didn’t like that outcome we could do it again. Maybe we could add a third option to the ballot: NONE OF THE ABOVE! And see who wins.

Obama also has more states won than Hillary almost 2 to 1.If Obama adds more popular vote to that by the end of this race,then I cannot see how Hillary can make a claim on nomination when she is behind in number of elected delgates,number of states won, and the total of popular vote…

Pelosi is correct in stating that this is a delegate race. She is wrong in stating that the unpledged delegates should vote the way of the pledged delegates. Those just aren’t the rules, but if she wanted to assert herself on the matter, she should have done it at the onset of the contest.
She can argue all she wants about *how* the superdelegates should vote but as she said, “The way the system works is that the delegates choose the nominee.” And superdelegates can vote as they please and each one counts as 1 just as the pledged delegates do. And whomever has 1 x 2,025 at the end, that will be our nominee.

Pelosi defiantly wants to be the most powerful woman in America. There’s no question about that and she can’t stand competition.
And what is this democratic vs. undemocratic nonsense? There are no rules that say the Democratic Party can not count the votes in Florida or Michigan.
Didn’t we learn anything from the 2000 election?

Speaker Pelosi is overlooking the Executive Function of the superdelegates who were specifically appointed and designated as people who possessed extraordinary wisdom in these complicated matters. The SD’s are charged with using this wisdom any way they see fit to benefit the Party. Just as the president may overrule his cabinet the SD’s need to be encouraged to think independently for the good of the Party. They can’t let themselves vote one way just because the Delegates voted that way. If the Superdelegates believe that a black man has no chance in the General they have to speak up as some of them are doing. The DNC just may have to order the Dream Team to run together.

Pelosi is wrong.
The Goal of the democratic party is to get a democrat in office, right?
Superdelegates are going to go with who ever stands a party chance of getting in the office, period. They are aloso there to protect us from wacko’s like Obama who is now un-electable.
I watched a superdelaget on the news station the other day, he said just that is the goal to go with who ever is most electable. Pelosi is rather silly.

Geddesman, sycophantic? What on earth are you talking about? Quite the contrary, being around Obama followers during a caucus session was like taking a scene right out of Apocalypto where the natives are dazed and entranced. Oh, and did you mean to write sociopathic?

I don’t care who the superdelegates vote for. I’m mad they havent endorsed who they want by now. They should all just contact the media and say who they think they will vote for. Then we can no if this is going to be a Hill or an Obam show. This bickering is ridiculous. Their policies mean nothing without congress.

“But it’s a delegate race,” Pelosi replied. “The way the system works is that the delegates choose the nominee.”
This makes sense if she’s talking about ALL the delegates, including the 796 ‘superdelegates’. We can’t just go by a raw popular vote or we’d be having recount lawsuits over every hanging chad.
For the same reason the supers need to be able to break a near-tie in elected delegates; otherwise we could be down to half a dozen elected delegate difference and lawsuits over the delegates who were elected in close primaries or messy caucuses.
When there’s a conflict between popular vote and elected delegate count, it’s not reasonable for the supers to go against the popular vote. Especially when Obama’s delegates are on-paper delegates from red states won in caucuses, and Hillary’s are from swing states and blue states won in primaries.
If you send two applicants out to collect clams on the beach and one comes back with a bucket of healthy useful clams and the other with a bucket of empty shells, which do you choose? Especially if the empty shell applicant threatens to have his rowdy friends break your windows if you don’t choose him.

This is the exact reason why so many people are turned off from the political process in this country..not so long ago when the democratic party nomination was about the issues that is facing this country…Hilary was unable to convince many voters that she has the best plan.Now that her campaign has shifted from the issues to negative attacks on her opponent, she now seems to be back on top.

CLARIFICATION: If the popular vote trumped the delegate vote, none of the states would use caucuses. As it is, about half the states use caucuses, so there simply isn’t any fair way to decide this contest based on popular vote alone. If we want to change the rules in the next election to eliminate caucuses and go strictly by popular vote, that’s fine. But you can’t change the rules in the middle of an election.

As a foreigner it is very difficult to understand your voting procedure!
Pelosi says that it would be “harmful” to Democrats if superdelegates were to give the party’s presidential nomination to a candidate who is trailing in the delegates awarded in primaries and caucuses.
When she says so I guess she is including Michigan and Florida? If she does not and suppose that the votes from Michigan and Flodida will be excluded but of decisive importance for the result of the election if they would have been counted. Then it must be necessary to let the superdelegates make the choice? Otherwise – what kind of democracy would that be? I think it would be harmful to the idea of DEMOCRACY and also to the DEMOCRATICAL PARTY.
By the way – is it true that New Hampshire and South Carolina changed their dates without penalties? If they did, wasn´t also that in violation of the rules? Can anyone answer?

Does this mean that super delegates Senator Kerry and Kennedy, both Obama supporters, will have to Hillary because she won the state of MA? Pelosi says the super delegates should not override the will of the people…if that is true the Kennedy and Kerry should be voting for Hillary.

I live in California. The people in California voted for Senator Clinton. I, at least expect the super delegates to vote for the presidential nomination that won their state and not just vote for the person that won the overall delegate count. Therfore, who is Pelosi to say how the super delegate’s should vote. She will soon be out of a job, if she thinks that she can go against the people in California. Does she know that would be taking my vote; and voting for a candidate that I did not vote for. Beleive me, it that happens the media would be happy and we will have another Republican for President. I am a black person and I see the difference in how the media and so many other people have been treating Senator Clinton. It does show that Obama is getting all of this attention because he is black. The media is trying to show that the American people has gotten over the race issue by voting for a black person, even if it is at the risk of being sexism. Therefore, the media does not care on how it is treating women or how they are protraying women. As long as, they can try to get a black person the presidential nomination.
So far, they have done a very good job in babysitting and protecting Obama. If Senator Clinton had a pastor, such as, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr., they would be all over Senator Clinton. This issue would not die. In addition, Obama has made his round to all of the network trying to explain himself. what does the media do, they give him the go aheal and make nice. I will not vote for Obama if he gets the nomination. Obama has not shown that he can win a large State and that does matter in the general election, regardless of what the media is trying to present. However, Peolosi, you do not get to say on how my vote should be represented in California. The people voted for Senator Clinton, so she should receive the supper delegate’s votes in California. I am for one would be very angry if this is done in any other way. If this was to happen that the person leading in the delagate count, would take all super delagates votes, what would be the point of me voting in the primary. Especially, since my vote could be base on their on decision.

I am still pretty undecided between the two, however to be fair to Senator Cinton, if what Speaker Pelosi says is true then some of the superdelegates need to change their vote to Senator Clinton. Didn’t Massachusetts go for Hillary? Yet Kennedy, Kerry and Xifaras are supporting Obama. So if we are going to say the superdelegates need to follow the lines of the state, that should go both ways.

These Hillary supporters are irrational and childish. When HRC had overwhelming lead in superdelegates, everybody wanted to use them as if they could decide. Now, when somebody said the opposite, you start the personal attack. Have you guys asked yourself why 100 of congressional superdelegates are still undecided? Because they have a lot more to loose if they choose a wrong candidate who can not win! Because most of them remember the years when Bill Clinton made deals with GOP and completely disregard the congress and resulted in huge loss.

I agree with Speaker Pelosi. What this is coming down to is someone trying to change the rules to fit a losing candidate. If that same candidate, Hillary Clinton, overtakes Obama with a delegate lead and popular vote and the superdelegates even though of STEALING the nomination from her, she and her supporters would complain–and with good reason. I used to be undecided between Hillary and Obama, but now, I’m beginning to see she just wants to win at all costs and is forgetting about the big picture–winning in November. Enough already, just follow the rules and compete in a fair way and stop trying to cheat. My goodness, you’d think this is the first election a Clinton ever thought they might actually lose. Give me a break!

Pelosi should be investigated by the house ethics commitee, for the possibility of censure. It appears she may be trying to manipulate the voters, by statements like, “there will be no dream ticket”. And she is now trying to tell the super delegates how they should vote. After the people have all had their chance to vote, then she can say all she wants. But until then, since she is Speaker of the House, she has a conflict of interest. She should refrain from making comments at all. If she needs help, I have already prepared a statement she can use for the press: “Since commenting on this election would not be appropriate, I will have no comments until after all of the voters have been heard”. There now Nancy, that’s not so hard to say is it?

There is absolutely no point in having these superdelegates if all they can do is to confirm the electoral results. What is the deal with these ridiculous primary rules? There are no caucuses and no division of delegates in each state in November. I don’t think Pelosi wants a democrat in the White House; she is enjoying her own position way too much. There is an Obama/Rev. Wright ticket going down the hill and no one but the superdelegates can stop this disaster.

It should come as no surprise that “Super Delegates” will pick the Democratic candidate. The democratic party has become the party of the elite. The elitist few will control the party just as they have done in years past. This time the elitist few will control our government completely. In other words the American version of aristocracy will soon be in power. The proletariat will pay just as we always have.

Dems Worthy To Lead?
First the Democrats win control of Congress then proceed to demonstrate they haven’t a clue how to lead and accomplish anything of substance for our nation. Then in rapid succession they give us:
1. A primary election campaign that threatens to rip a good portion of the country apart over race and gender;
2. Primary election rules that grant party bosses superdelegate status at their national convention so those same political hacks have a greater say in selecting the party’s presidential nominee;
3. Primary election rules that allow the national party to dictate when state Dems can and can’t hold a primary;
4. A situation where national Dems rule that state party’s failing to follow such dictates (see No. 3 above)will not be allowed to participate in the national convention;
5. A ruling that says damn the costs, the waste of time, issues of fairness, legalities or potential lawsuits, etc., let’s have a “DO-OVER!”
I could go on, but let’s get to the point. Is this how a party of the people operates? I don’t think so.
Seems more like a bunch of rank amatuers who are unready for prime time – let alone worthy of our votes and trust to lead our nation during one of the most critical times in its history!

Obama supporters: ‘i have never agreed with nancy pelosi until she backed Obama, now she is courageous and wonderful!’ you guys are such a bunch of losers.

If this election was by the people for the people of the United States, Why do people go and vote for the canidate they want, when it not going to count anyway. Sounds like we are Paying To Much Money for the DNC Commitee that don’t do a thing for the people. Because the Delegates will give their votes to the person they want instead of what the people want. Lord help us. Amen.