By Lee Speigel

Mar 30, 2008 11:33am

Richard Mellon Scaife (Heart)s Hillary

Richard Mellon Scaife, a major funder of the 90s-era Vast Right Wing Conspiracy — specifically, The American Spectator and its "Arkansas Project" — today reconsiders his former nemesis in an op-ed in his newspaper, the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review.

In a Sunday op-ed titled "Hillary, reassessed", Scaife writes, "More than most modern political figures, Sen. Clinton has been criticized regularly, often harshly, by the Trib. We disagreed with many of her policies and her actions in the past. We still disagree with some of her proposals. The very morning that she came to the Trib, our editorial page raised questions about her campaign and criticized her on several other scores. Reading that, a lesser politician — one less self-assured, less informed on domestic and foreign issues, less confident of her positions — might well have canceled the interview right then and there."

(One could note that the Tribune-Review afforded Clinton an opportunity to publicly assail Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., on the Rev. Wright issue. Watch HERE.)

Continues Scaife: "Sen. Clinton came to the Trib, anyway, and, for 90 minutes, answered questions. Her meeting and her remarks during it changed my mind about her. Walking into our conference room, not knowing what to expect (or even, perhaps, expecting the worst), took courage and confidence. Not many politicians have political or personal courage today, so it was refreshing to see her exhibit both. Sen. Clinton also exhibited an impressive command of many of today’s most pressing domestic and international issues. Her answers were thoughtful, well-stated, and often dead-on."

Scaife’s disagreements with the Clintons were hardly policy-based. He funded major investigations of the former president’s personal life, and attempted to give credibility to the wildest theories about the Clintons’ nefariousness.

In 1998, Scaife in an interview with GEORGE Magazine seemed to imply that the death of Vince Foster was more than a suicide. "Once you solve that one mystery, you’ll know everything that’s going on or went on –- I think there’s been a massive coverup about what Bill Clinton’s administration has been doing, and what he was doing when he was governor of Arkansas."

"Listen, [Clinton] can order people done away with at his will. He’s got the entire federal government behind him…God, there must be 60 people [associated with Bill Clinton] -– who have died mysteriously."

So, what’s going on?

Mark Hosenball of Newsweek reported last November that last July, Scaife had lunch with former President Clinton.  Why?  A source close to Scaife told Newsweek that Scaife thinks Clinton’s post-presidential work has been "very laudable," and that he is doing "very important work representing the country when the U.S. is widely resented in the world." Hosenball also pointed out that the Clintons have reached out to Rupert Murdoch and Matt Drudge.

Tim Noah of Slate points out that Scaife has been going through an ugly divorce after his ex-wife discovered that he was having an affair — and his ex-wife is an Obama-backer!

What do you think is going on here?

- jpt

User Comments

I think that the Republican Party is very afraid of Obama, Rush is even promoting Hillary over Obama, Half of your posters on these blogs are Republicans supporting Hillary.

Posted by: Thinking | March 30, 2008, 11:45 am 11:45 am

Geez.. Jake I don’t know whats going on here! Why would Senater Clinton sit down with a PA newspaper and answer questions before a primary in PA!…sounds a little suspicious to me too!!! Is it alright with everyone if we the voters in PA get a chance to actually vote, even if it is for Hillary Clinton?

Posted by: Jim | March 30, 2008, 11:53 am 11:53 am

Thinking. On the contrary, republicans were voting and supporting Obama because he will be so easy to defeat if he is the candidate. You have your facts wrong.

Posted by: Definitely Common Sense | March 30, 2008, 11:57 am 11:57 am

RE; “thinking”….Wow is there a vast rightwing conspiracy here in PA to thwart Obama’s chances? Your name on this post does not match your abilities

Posted by: Jim | March 30, 2008, 11:59 am 11:59 am

We all know Hillary is Republican’s hot cake. They got prepared long time ago. We do not even hear Karl Rove saying anything nowadays about her. Quiet like a hungry lion waiting to have a feast day!

Posted by: Peace | March 30, 2008, 11:59 am 11:59 am

Republicans loooooooooooove the thought of going up against Obama.

Posted by: Kitty | March 30, 2008, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm

I don’t buy that story for a minute. Someone who had that much dirt on the Clintons just decided one day that he had been wrong all this time. It is obviously someone the Clintons managed to buy out or strong arm.
Any logical person would be suspicious of that kind of change of heart. It is just not believable that one intereview would have that much impact. Give me a break.
There is more motivation that just realizing one day “Bill Clinton has done good work since he LEFT office”. Some of what we know since Clinton left office is he has pending litigation on campaign contribution fraud (Peter Paul vs Clinton), Bill has received multi million donations to his LIBRARY? and won’t reveal his donors, and there is the uranium deal in Kazakhstan. That says nothing of Clintons ongoing business deals with his Chinese co-harts.
I’m not buying it.

Posted by: Texas Voter | March 30, 2008, 12:09 pm 12:09 pm

Obama and Clinton — two peas in the same pod. There’s not a dimes worth of difference in them or the way they comport themselves.
Vote intelligently. Vote Nader

Posted by: Turku Wren | March 30, 2008, 12:16 pm 12:16 pm

Ths is true and they do away with many many friends andsecret service and body guards Nice people they are this is why they want back in the white house power and greed does it every time.

Posted by: h | March 30, 2008, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm

Many are finally opening their eyes to the truth about Obama. He is a speech. Nothing of substance behind him.

Posted by: seah | March 30, 2008, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm

It’s not a single quote, it is not even many quotes taken out of context over some political campaign that we are talking about.
It is a Republican Philosophy, and the results of, or consequences of such a philosophy.
It is not a single issue, it is a multiplicity of issues, it is a general direction, it is a view of where we are going or where we should be going. It is about the results of the last 8 years.
It is not even about a single person, be it McCain, Obama, or Hillary, but what they represent, and who best can promote the ideals that the party represents.
This what the Republicans fear.
Obama08

Posted by: Thinking | March 30, 2008, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm

Have been listening to Clinton speak in Indiana, and Kentucky the last couple of days, and she has been garnering huge enthusiastic crowds. She is spot on with her message and delivered an awesome speech last night in Madisonville, KY. I think she will win Pa, IN, KY, and WV. The fact that people think this is over is a joke. If FL is counted she is within in 80 delegates of Obama. If she wins all four of these states it will be virtually a tied race and she will be ahead in the popular vote. Then will people still say she should drop out?

Posted by: Mike | March 30, 2008, 12:29 pm 12:29 pm

I think he finally met her face-to-face. That’s all.
She was no more the absurd caricature that he created. She has flesh, bones and blood.

Posted by: Joan | March 30, 2008, 12:29 pm 12:29 pm

Here’s the choice:
An empty suit or a bag of hot air.
Choose wisely!

Posted by: Surelock Homes | March 30, 2008, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm

“Listen, [Clinton] can order people done away with at his will. He’s got the entire federal government behind him…God, there must be 60 people [associated with Bill Clinton] -– who have died mysteriously.”
What’s going on? I think the answer in there.
Richard Mellon Scaife is fearing for his life. He was the one who published that famous and devastating article in the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, “Vince Foster might save America from Hillary”. He did so in 2002, but now it has become more relevant than ever, so the Clinton Machine has put the pressure on Scaife. Scaife has been the journalist who has been guarding some of the most explosive material on the Clintons for years.
And now he’s scared, maybe for good reasons.

Posted by: Gary | March 30, 2008, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm

RE; Thinking…The republicans do not “fear” Obama or Clinton, The RNC has a plan to deal with either to be sure. I think the problem with a lot of the Obama supporters is that they think everyone “should share there ideals”, and agree with them on all the important issues of this campaign, because “its only logical”. The Democractic party is a big party with a lot of opinions and if any of the “other opinions” feel trivialized there will be a price to be paid.

Posted by: Jim | March 30, 2008, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm

I hear over and over again when people meet Hillary they realize that the stereotypes out there are not accurate. I have read so much about how people have found her very warm and very available – not distant and cold by any means. And no one could doubt her deoth of policy knowledge.
These are the reasons she is the candidate I want to see as our next president.
Thank you Jake for sharing this article – all too often the media just tries to paint a picture that fits a stereotype. If Hillary could get a fair and balanced shake in the media, I am confident she can win this election.

Posted by: MAB | March 30, 2008, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm

This is a big story. Will the liberal media so in the tank cover it? Probably not. It doesn’t fit into what they want the public to continue to believe about Clinton. They want to continue to promote the stereotypes. Yet, we hear over and over about her warmth, humor and humanity when people actually get to meet the real person. So, what’s to dislike about someone who brings the whole package – those authentic human qualities and the “sharp elbows” that get things done!

Posted by: twinmom48 | March 30, 2008, 12:51 pm 12:51 pm

I don’t know what is going on but I do know she has guts. And I have heard time and time again, that when people meet her she is very likable.
I just left CNN and the Ticker headline is says, Obama says he was terrible. You go to the article and it’s him bowling. CNN is really turning into an SNL skit.

Posted by: Christine D | March 30, 2008, 12:54 pm 12:54 pm

You mean she’s not the cartoon portrayed by the media?
Stop and listen to Clinton and you’ll see why she’s the best prepared to lead.

Posted by: Alicia | March 30, 2008, 12:55 pm 12:55 pm

Hillarious… Texas Voter….that the Clintons could BUY Scaife.. Do you know how rich he is? (#378 on the list of wealthiest people in the World, worth approximately $1.2 billion dollars.)
And as for strong-arming… apparently you have no knowledge of Scaife’s history.
Maybe Scaife has been paying attention to Hillary and he being a tough customer also respects Hillary’s toughness and intellect.
The civil litigation Paul vs. Clinton: Three time felon sues the Clintons for $1.5 million because Paul claims that Bill Clinton promised to be his business partner in return for his fundraising for Hillary.. And if you believe that claim, then I have a bridge for sale.
Note also that this same guy Paul filed a second lawsuit having to do with Ed Rendell, (chairman of the Democratic National Committee in 2000) regarding getting a presidential pardon… Also funny… because if Paul wanted a presidential pardon he should have been talking to someone who could get him in touch with Bush… you know–the president.
Ooohhh…. millions contributed to a Presidential Libray… Wow, like that has not happened before. Where do you think the funding comes from to pay for these facilities (e.g. Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush I also come to mind)?
And the alleged “the uranium deal in Kazakhstan” has been investigated and debunked.
And may I remind you that these last three unsubstantiated accusations are against Bill Clinton and NOT Hillary.

Posted by: Nickberry | March 30, 2008, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm

@ Christine D
CNN is really focused on the issues that matter to the voters like Obama’s island getaway and his bowling.

Posted by: Bobby | March 30, 2008, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm

Jim,
The Republican Party is broken, from the national level to to the local state, and municipalities.
The failed policies of the Republican Party has doomed them, all they can hope for is some sort of damage control.
You and I are both smart enough know that no single individual can drive this country alone, no single individual can win with out a major party endorsement, pass legislation without support of Congress.
Obama brings in those new members, has fired up the imgination, has brought in the new money, and can and will best promote those ideas that the Party supports.
Politicians, though they make look like it, are not fools. Those Republicans know what Obama can do, they know his grass roots draw, they see the money he raises, 55 to 60 million in a month is not chicken feed. McCain and Hillary are both broke Obama has raised more money from small donors, Then the McCain, Clinton, Democratic, and republican campaigns and Parties combined.
So What? It shows the depth and compassion, and strength of his support.
He will win, and the Democratic Party will soundly beat the Republican Party from the National to the local Elections.
Obama08

Posted by: Thinking | March 30, 2008, 1:05 pm 1:05 pm

Lets face it Tapper, the media in general is anti-Clinton. There is NO shortage of Clinton bashers for a host of reasons. I think Hillary has gotten a bad rap mainly because of Bill Clinton. Objectively take a look at yourself {media at large} you have to admit, you are far from ideal. The media is about cut throat vendetta politics.
I’m a life long republican, from upstate New York. I did not vote for Hillary in her first term. However, she came to upstate NY, where the economy was not so good at the time. Because I’m a hard head, I did not want to attend the forum in the beginning. My wife nagged me to go. One on one, Hillary Clinton is a impressive, passionate, remarkable woman. She listened, she worked with us, she keep her word and gave real economical solutions. As a result, not only have I supported her campaign for re-election. I supported her for campaign for president, will continue to do so. Hillary Clinton embraces change. I’ve never seen a harder working person.
The woman you saw in NH, that’s the real Hillary Clinton. The real story for all you media lions is to uncover that passion with in her for this country. Sen. Clinton really cares about people! My wife says, Hillary Clinton is the most famous woman no body really knows.

Posted by: Old New Yorker | March 30, 2008, 1:07 pm 1:07 pm

If Obama is the nominee McCain will be the ’08 Reagan…. Liberals be careful.

Posted by: Bobby | March 30, 2008, 1:08 pm 1:08 pm

Interestingly, I have read three powerful articles by three heavyweight Republicans that were extremely passionate and inciteful. (Pat Buchanon has written passionately on the savaging of Geraldine Ferraro; Gingrich, on the limitations and failings of Obama’s race speech; and now Scaife). I think they are reacting as Americans. What has happened to insure Barack Obama’s presidency is unprecedented in American politics. Millions of voters have been disenfranchised. The old guard in the Senate has not just “endorsed,” they have delivered their political machines in a way that we never saw for Gore or Kerry. The DNC, rather than supporting the voters, essentially has deferred to Obama.
Some very astute political observers, even if Republican, see this for what it is – it is a coup d’etat, plain and simple.

Posted by: countallthevotes | March 30, 2008, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm

These blogs have gotten into a serious habit of censoring legitimate comments.
These are the same people who shudder over perceived attacks on the first amendment. These blogs need an honest broker in the catbird seat.

Posted by: TruthbeTold | March 30, 2008, 1:14 pm 1:14 pm

pleeeease the republicans will love to have obama as our nominee….

Posted by: Bobby | March 30, 2008, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm

What is all this BS about conspiracy theory anyway??? The “suspicious” deaths related to the Clintons… a real delusional stretch there.
The one poster accusing these blogs of “censoring legitimate comments??? None of mine have ever been censored and in fact appear immediately after posting. If I were you, I would rethink your perceived persecution.
Now about Hillary… At the beginning of the campaign I was neutral about Hillary… but as time has passed and the more I heard her message in comparison to the other candidate messages… the more I like her. And her tenacity AND intelligence is very impressive. I also like her direct speak and knowledge of the topics… I think Scaife sees the same things in her.
And Hillary’s attributes are actually quite refreshing after listening for months to Obama’s now tired promise of “hope” and “change.” Even he himself seems bored with his standard stump speech. Hillary is energized and Obama seems lackluster.

Posted by: Nickberry | March 30, 2008, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm

Truthbetold: You speak the truth!! Everytime I mention the VIEW, I get deleted!!!! Obama was on the View conoodling and literally caressing the hosts while Hillary was courageous enough to engage in a 90-minute, no holds barred, interview with Scaife.
Ok, this one will be deleted also.

Posted by: countallthevotes | March 30, 2008, 1:19 pm 1:19 pm

Some facts:
The Clinton Global Initiative, part of the Clinton Foundation, has secured partnerships for the following initiatives:
$271,000,000.00 over a 5-year period for educational opportunities for 7.5 million children in Africa and Asia.
$40,000,000.00 over 5 years for critical education needs for 3,000,000 girls in Africa.
$12,000,000.00 over 8 years to improve schooling and health outcomes for girls 10-14 in Southern Africa.
Maybe someone should tell Barack Obama campaign and his surrogates that trying to label Bill Clinton a “racist” is contrary to everything he has ever done in his life, and is not only dishonest, it is disgusting for them and the media.

Posted by: Elizabeth | March 30, 2008, 1:21 pm 1:21 pm

The VIEW

Posted by: countallthevotes | March 30, 2008, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm

truthbetold,
I have noticed that some of my posts have been deleted also. I do not know what triggers it, but I have found that if I rephrase what I have said, and or leave off some links, then it will remain.
Personal attacks, or precieved personal attacks to the moderator seem to be frowned upon. There maybe some lelag issues with providing certain links.

Posted by: Thinking | March 30, 2008, 1:25 pm 1:25 pm

I totaly agree with twinmom48′s comments. The media has torn Hillary down for months now. And they have put Obama on a pedestal by exalting that he is the change we have all been waiting for. It has been so unfair and has turned many of us off of the media entirely. Despite those media efforts, Hillary is still in this race though she has a steep hill to climb.
My ask is that the media explore a new story, a story that is true but hasn’t been told. The story that tells how Hillary really is warm and genuine when people know her, but who is never-give-up fighter. Tell the story about how she has effectively worked across the aisle in the Senate (even more so that Obama). There is so much mis-information out there. The majority of Americans don’t realize that Hillary is multi-faceted. Isn’t it the media’s responsibility to educate us on things we don;t know. There is little time left, now is the time to get that information in the hands of upcoming voters.
twinmom48
“This is a big story. Will the liberal media so in the tank cover it? Probably not. It doesn’t fit into what they want the public to continue to believe about Clinton. They want to continue to promote the stereotypes. Yet, we hear over and over about her warmth, humor and humanity when people actually get to meet the real person. So, what’s to dislike about someone who brings the whole package – those authentic human qualities and the “sharp elbows” that get things done!”

Posted by: MAB | March 30, 2008, 1:31 pm 1:31 pm

There is hope for us all. People change. I was hard on Bill Clinton in office, because of the scandal ordeal . Then I read his book Giving. For anyone who has not read this book, it’s a must read. I strongly recommend you get it today, give it to your children. It will change your life!
Ironically, I think Chelsea Clinton is right. Her mother would be a better president than her father. I agree with the posting from the “Old New Yorker”. I was on the fence as to who to vote for. I went to Hillary Clinton Townhall meeting. She sold me there. She’s not just talk, Hillary Clinton really cares about this country and it’s people lives.

Posted by: Dane | March 30, 2008, 1:32 pm 1:32 pm

“thinking” Another election decided by money,… not experience, judgement,or the ability of voters to make there decisions on what they feel is important. Just discount them from this process…everyone who does not share your vision of new UTOPIAN CIVILIZATION. There have been many examples of this in the history of mankind…do not question…do not speak against the gospel…just follow!This type of dogma whether it is liberal or conservative is dangerous to all people who cherish the freedom of there own opnions and I am “smart enough” to to know a politica power play when I see it, …are you?

Posted by: Jim | March 30, 2008, 1:33 pm 1:33 pm

Ahhhh, Elizabeth,
You do knowthe clintons are not racist, thats good.
Click on the link below to see Bill Clintons son DANNY pictures.

Posted by: Ron | March 30, 2008, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm

A huge black turnout in November 1992 altered Chicago’s electoral landscape-and raised a new political star: a 31-year-old lawyer named Barack Obama.
In the final, climactic buildup to November’s general election, with George Bush gaining ground on Bill Clinton in Illinois and the once-unstoppable campaign of senatorial candidate Carol Moseley Braun embroiled in allegations about her mother’s Medicare liability, one of the most important local stories managed to go virtually unreported: The number of new voter registrations before the election hit an all-time high. And the majority of those new voters were black. More than 150,000 new African-American voters were added to the city’s rolls. In fact, for the first time in Chicago’s history-including the heyday of Harold Washington-voter registrations in the 19 predominantly black wards outnumbered those in the city’s 19 predominantly white ethnic wards, 676,000 to 526,000.

Posted by: AKIN | March 30, 2008, 1:53 pm 1:53 pm

It is interesting that Sen. Clinton would sit down with Mr. Scaife for 90 minutes to discuss policy and platform, setting aside the damning personal attacks of the past while avering with a conviction, equal to her recollections of the Tuzla landing, that preconditions must be met before she would take a similar seat with world leaders considered enemies of the United States. Does this meeting then set as precedent that Sen. Clinton would in fact, sit down with the leaders of Iran and North Korea and Cuba if she became President?

Posted by: H. Aslan Aslani-Far | March 30, 2008, 1:58 pm 1:58 pm

It is indeed strange that the Clintons are fraternizing with Scaife. And what’s this about Scaife’s ex being an Obama supporter? Since you asked me what I think, I think I’m watching the show Little Rock, a late spin off of Dallas.

Posted by: katrina | March 30, 2008, 2:02 pm 2:02 pm

Jim glad you liked it, Right now I have to run but look for me tomorrow and I can give you links to 225 National Newspaper Articles (Not inquirer either) concerning Clinton Scams,Money Laundering, Clinton rapes, Predidential Pardons for Payola, etc.
Now you all know The New York Times or others would’t lie, Right?

Posted by: Ron | March 30, 2008, 2:12 pm 2:12 pm

Jim,
well what do you propose that we stop the election?.
It’s just us unintelligent fools who vote? Who support the candidates. Those Milions he has raised has come from millions of supporters, not just a few rich people
Jim, your argument has ground to a halt.

Posted by: Thinking | March 30, 2008, 2:12 pm 2:12 pm

Oh ya Jim, and the clinton papers donor information everyone is waiting for also

Posted by: Ron | March 30, 2008, 2:13 pm 2:13 pm

This article doesn’t surprise me in the least. While Republican voters may indeed see the Clintons as the anti-Christ the Karl Roves, Pat Buchanans, Newt Gingrich’s and other such types, were probably the least surprised at Hillary’s comeback in the primaries. There has always seemed to be some begrudging respect that when they get knocked down they just come back up.
If Hillary were to get the nomination the Republicans no doubt would feel it would galvanize Republican voters but the powers that be would never see coming up a Clinton as a cakewalk.
Clinton’s tenacity and willingness to get out and fight on the basis of her convictions is something I have not seen in the record of Obama, so it is one of the reasons I think she’s the best candidate. She’s a policy wonk
and a hard worker, again something not seen in Obama’s record with his extremely poor history of missing votes and showing up when most of the work is done and yet taking credit where it’s not due. Clinton has worked on major issues bipartisan and after having watched how these primaries have unfolded, I suspect those Republicans she’s worked with are probably more loyal than our elitist Kennedys, Kerrys, Daschles, Pelosi’s and the rest of the gang who when reelection comes up may find themselves struggling.

Posted by: alpaig | March 30, 2008, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm

Why wouldn’t she do the interview? The only one giving Clinton a fair shake in this process has been Fox news and the commentators such as Buchanan and Rove.
Who would have thought? Clinton has been getting totally screwed by the elitist powers that be in the Democratic party. This party has seemed to move way to the left and yet what’s interesting is their candidate , Obama, is the one who yesterday said he was going to bring foreign policy back to the traditions of Ronald Reagan and George Bush Sr. His foreign policy role model is Reagsn. Who the heck really knows where Obama stands on anything? I really think we do have a Jimmy Carter in the making.

Posted by: alpaig | March 30, 2008, 2:25 pm 2:25 pm

Jake,
1st of all-this article was great until the mention of RMS’ divorce. Who Cares, about his divorce? I hope not today’ american voter. W have to many other things that actually will affect our lives. I Thank Mike for his report about hillary’s speech in kentucky, and other places.
If we american voters would try to clear our heads of the “junk”. Consider the issues. Realize how we the voters are being influenced and the attempts to lead us. And actually listen to the candidates we the american voters and the world will win.
Our american press is biased-right now leaning toward obama-none of the talking heads on tv-have the courage to speak up when hillary is being bashed-and wrong things being said about her-none have the courage to speak up and say well in all fairness-she did say this right, etc. no it is as if they have all been given a prewritten script and while sitting around the table looking at each other-one will say what they have been told-and the other look to make sure-noone moves far away from the script. on cnn today-a reporter was talking about the housing crisis. and was asked the question-who do you think is address this issue-she first said none of them-wolf asked again-but are any of them even talking about how to solve this-she said “Well Sen. Clinton in a kentucky townhall meeting has come the closest to giving a solution to what to do. and then the reporter quickly said-but they all have a similar position. Now you all tell me
does that seem fair? Can we the American voters-make our intelligent choice for president if we have reporter on tv. reporting like that?
The truth of the matter is the ONLY
one who is out there talking about solutions for the issues that we the american voter has to face in the next 4 years is HILLARY CLINTON. Obama is busy-either speaking against what Hillary has proposed and now mccain.
or he is having to backtrack on something new we have learned about him. And you know what, I partly blame
his backers-Kerry, Dashle, Bradley,Dean,Kennedy and Co, (I wish I had a shorter name, to describe these guys-I am tired of writing out all of their names)When they went to their backroom meeting to hatch up “Who can we find to beat Hillary”
and one of them said-what about a black guy-yes, that will take the black vote away from the beloved clinton.
someone of that group should have inspected obama a little closer-because it was either stupidity or arrogance-I cannot tell which) when they decided on a black guy-they should not have picked someone who comes from a seperatist church-and chose the slogan “the Uniter” How in the world and I do not care what obama is saying NOW. noway you can sit in a church for 20 years-have someone you call a mentor-and not know the message rev. wright was preaching-or what he stood for. NO way. I come from a black southern church background-and if any of the preacher I or my grandmother (who raised me) had preached some of the stuff we have heard from rev. wright-my grandmother- would have looked over her eyeglasses at him and said “he’ gone crazy”-and the elders of the church would have dismissed him.
I can believe Hillary sat down with Mr. S because-she knows what she is talking about-when you know what you are talking about you have no fear of scrutiny. We still do not know all there is about obama-we still do not know what more there is to come out about him. If people had known what they know now about him and rev.wright
he would not be in the lead. and we would not have this party so divided.
but no because of the backroom grooming (and not a good job) of a candidate-what we have been given is a “designer”
canditate-someone who looks good-can sound good-but there is not much else to them. The media is in on the sell also. because if we had had the kind of reporting of old-what the backroom crew failed to do-the media should have. but nope-they are in on the sell.
This selling of obama to us the American voter reminds me of the sell of the war.-Remember- and noone could say anything against it.-and here it is again-no maatter what obama says NOW-if he had-been in the senate and had the information sen. clinton and others had-he would have voted for the war also.
the little history we know about him mow-tells us there is not much fortitude to Sen. Obama-if he was as against the war as he said he said in his speech-when he had a vote that counted to back up his opposition to the war-he would have voted no. the record shows-after he got into the senate-he voted just as sen. clinton did for funding.etc.
But how can you expect fortitude when there is no substance to begin with.
He is a fence rider-on the rev. wright issue. and as a black woman I know why he had to reject or claim he didn’t know what rev. wright has said-because he knows he would have lost the black vote. (not mine-because he has never had it) but I am talking about my brother and sister who have been blindly voting for him because he is black-(you know-the black vote the ones in the backroom said he would get) he would have lost the black vote. See how emotional and not the way to vote that is.-My black brothers and sister have been voting for this guy in record number-just because he is black-(now trying to find out what he stands for-what his plans are for the country or how they will fit or fair in his plan-just vote for him because he is black-and just as easily-he could lose their vote-by doing the rational (showing fortitude) thing and leaving that church-and finding another one that is more in line with what he is saying NOW. (are you getting the thread that is running through this?) now in no place are the issues in play here-when it comes to the black vote-because if the issues had anything to do with who the black people voted for-they would go with Hillary-because she is the only one talking about solutions that will help the ills of the poor, working class, middle class black, latino and everyone else who works for a living
and do not fall for the talking heads and media prewritten script of “there is not a dimes worth of difference in obama and Hillarys plan”-the BIG difference that no one is pointing out is Hillary is the originator of the plans-obama’ camp-copies. go back and check it-I did-because I wanted to be clear on this-why is Hillary the originator-because she is a thinker-she has surronded herself with people who are truly learning to be the next generation of thinkers on how to solve the problems of this country and the world. And Sen. Obama is surrounded by 1st of all people (remember the backroom crew-names listed above) with an ax to grind against the clintons-and all of them have failed to get into the white house on their own.so they have their Designer Candidate-who is a little bit of all of them-good public
servants in their own way-but lacking that “substance” to get them into the white house.-”sour grapes”
Now i want a black person to be president before I die-I do-but one who (no matter what is said against them-when he/she wins I want to be able to say I gave my vote to the most qualified-most vetted-and the one with the most courage to stand by their convictions.-and have the best plans to help and best represent the WHOLE country. not pander to first this group and then another. I want what they are telling me NOW to be close to what they will tell me once I have given my vote and put them in office. Not tell me one thing today and go to the canadians and the british and tell them another.
As a black woman who does not take her right to vote lightly-I beg of all of you Pa, NC. WVA, Indiana, PR. WY, Oregon,and all others left to vote.
Listen closely to what these candidates are saying to you about how they will solve the issues before us and facing us over the next four years-and I pray
you will (put that crazy stuff that is thought about hillary clinton in behind you) not take your vote lightly-(good black and white and all colors of people died in the struggle for right to vote)do not give your vote away for a groomed candidate with a speech-Our country need a candidate with substance, fortitude, and a lot of courage-to stand up against “what or whoever” and that candidate is
Hillary Clinton-she is fighting against the bigwigs of her party the media, and she can take on whatever the republicans bring-now that is who I and we should want in the white house-I mean after this-can you really see Hillary Clinton-(who is the only one speaking up for the working people)backing down from anything that she thinks is right for the people of this country. and as commander-in chief-all I can say is WATCH OUT Osamma bin laden!
(oh, yes you thought we had forgotten about what you did to our front yard)WE aRE COMING TO GET YOU! and to our soldiers in Iraq and now at home-we will pay you well for the service you have done.
American voters join me. please-vote for the only candidate with the real original solutions to our country problems-Help Hillary put us back on the right track-the world wants us to lead again in the right way.
(last thought-a man from london called in to washington journal this am-and said our friends across the pond-are watching-and they want Hillary.
and as Hillary said (1st) “The World is holding its breath, hoping we get it right this time”
Please lets get it right this time
Hillary 08′
Hillary/Edwards 08′

Posted by: jgaw | March 30, 2008, 2:26 pm 2:26 pm

HILLARY CHEATS, REFUSES TO PAY THE LOYAL CLIENTS.
And word is getting around that Clinton’s campaign does not promptly pay those who labor to make her events look good, said an employee of the event production company Forty Two of Youngstown, Ohio.
“I feel insulted by the way that the campaign treated this company and treated us personally,” said the employee, who did not want to be named talking about a client.
The Clinton campaign paid the company $16,500 to set up a stage, press riser, sound system and backdrops at a Youngstown high school last month for a raucous union rally, where an aggressive Clinton stump speech drew thunderous applause. But the Clinton campaign has yet to pay Forty Two for two other February events, and the employee said the campaign has stopped returning phone calls, e-mails and didn’t respond to a certified letter.
“We worked very hard to put together these events on a moment’s notice and do absolutely everything to a ‘t’ to make it look perfect on television for her and for her campaign,” said the employee. “Sen. Clinton talks about helping working families, people in unions and small businesses. But when it comes down to actually doing something that shows that she can back up her words with action, she fails.”

Posted by: DCvoter | March 30, 2008, 2:28 pm 2:28 pm

Obama and Clinton — two peas in a pod. Can anybody tell us about a single MAJOR difference in their very small bag of issues?

Posted by: Surelock Homes | March 30, 2008, 2:55 pm 2:55 pm

There have been more myths than realities in the media reports about this election.
One example is we are told that Obama is a life-long unifier and Clinton is a well-known divider.
The reality contains these considerations:
First of all there has been no evidence at all that Obama has ever worked with the other side to achieve anything.
Secondly it would be very naive if you think a radical liberal or whatever can unit those hardcore republicans without giving up very much of his own base with Kenny, Kerry etc.
Thirdly, more generally speaking, a unity is always based on some common ground or common enemy. US has been deeply divided in more fundamental interests and metaphysical conceptions of religion, race, and ideology. Has Obama ever given any signals that he could stand above all these, and have a route map to unit all – not just under the influence of the black liberation theology and the beloved Rev. Wright? Is Mrs. Clinton better in it, with her mainstream religion background, historical association with black, and moderate stands and policies?
Not hard to understand these.
But Obama and media still sing his “unity” songs with confidence like he owns it.

Posted by: YD | March 30, 2008, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm

This is excellent news for Hillary !

Posted by: melloncolyclinton | March 30, 2008, 3:01 pm 3:01 pm

Hey Old New Yorker
Jake is suprised Hillary getting good press for chance. My guess is that the Pittsburg paper decided to meet the real Hillary and see for his self also instead of listening to MSNBC, NBC or other Obama networks.

Posted by: toby | March 30, 2008, 3:01 pm 3:01 pm

– correct some typos and repost here
There have been more myths than realities in the media reports about this election.
One example is we are told that Obama is a life-long unifier and Clinton is a well-known divider.
The reality contains these considerations:
First of all there has been no evidence at all that Obama has ever worked with the other side to achieve anything.
Secondly it would be very naive if you think a radical liberal or whatever can unite those hardcore republicans without giving up very much of his own base with Kennedy, Kerry etc.
Thirdly, more generally speaking, a unity is always based on some common ground or common enemy. US has been deeply divided in more fundamental interests and metaphysical conceptions of religion, race, and ideology. Has Obama ever given any signals that he could stand above all these, and have a route map to unite all – not just under the influence of the black liberation theology and the beloved Rev. Wright? Is Mrs. Clinton better in it, with her mainstream religion background, historical association with black, and moderate stands and policies?
Not hard to understand these.
But Obama and media still sing his “unity” songs with confidence like he owns it.

Posted by: YD | March 30, 2008, 3:03 pm 3:03 pm

for all those who want and should read and do a little research there is a difference between Hillary plan and obama-
Hillary had the plan first
Obama copied.
in one of the lower comments someone called hillary “an old bag”
and obama an empty suit
well i say
Obama is War Admiral
Hillary is Seabiscuit
I’m Pulling for old Seabiscuit!
Hillary 08′-Brilliant!

Posted by: jgaw | March 30, 2008, 3:05 pm 3:05 pm

Slate puts Hillary Clinton’s chances at 12%. I think when they factor in the Texas caucus results that will drop to somewhere around -5%, give or take 2 or 3%. Hillary is history. If you do the math, she has NO democratic path to the White House. She will never, ever be president.Where IS that iron ?

Posted by: hillarywho? | March 30, 2008, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm

Here are a few names to run by you Jim,,,take them and look up what happened.The Clinotns are now under invesgation in Calf.as we speak,Foster,Mc Doggal,Brown,Riser 2 TulleyThis is one that get me pi—- Paula Grober>>>>Wise,Willey,Brunch,Walker,Martin Sael,Collins,Parks and all the files gone Body guards:Barkley Jr. Scott, Rhodes, Williams .These are a few sonnyboy,ask Mr Hillybilly and see what she has to say.

Posted by: h | March 30, 2008, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm

We had all better hope-and do all we can to keep the bigwigs in the dem party from “fixing this race” and that is just what they are trying to do.
d/c fl, and mich. and trying to get hillary to drop out before all the primaries are over.
I am going with Hillary to win
Hillary wins=american win
Hillary is the only one talking about solutions to the problems
and all of you who hate hillary for all those crazy things-that will not do anything for you
Just hold your nose and vote for her
your pocketbook will thank you later
and now-
bringing up the rear and all the american voters with her
Hillary 08′ Brilliant!

Posted by: jgaw | March 30, 2008, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm

“H” or I should say “van winkle”
Did you just wake up?
American has moved on-
1st we celebrated the year 2000
then we elected a president (Gore)
and the other one running(GW Bush) stole it from us.
then we had an attack on our country
911-if you can find some current picture of new york-you will see the twin towers are not there any more.
and then the president who stole the election from us-started a war.
and then he was elected again-by duping the poor whites and evangelicals
and during his second term-well the country is just in a mess. but we are now in another election season-meaning we are trying to elect another president
and on the dems side-some of the muckkeydmucks are trying to dupe some of us again.
Well, now that you are awake, and I have tried to bring you up to speed-
promise you will not comment on any of that old stuff you just wrote about again.
We are happy for you to join us, in this discussion. but take a few minutes and get up to speed on the issue of this election now. We need you, awake, coherent and talking about the issues of today, of which none of that stuff you were just rambling on about are a part of. and Paula Jones just told me to tell you-Please, please tell him don’t mention my name. Let’s respect Ms. Jones privacy-and leave her out of this.

Posted by: jgaw | March 30, 2008, 3:37 pm 3:37 pm

jgaw, you wrote: “…then we elected a president (Gore) and the other one running (GW Bush) stole it from us.”
Repeating the lie over and over again still doesn’t make it true. It was Al Gore who tried to steal the election from George W. Bush. Al Gore tried to cherry-pick a handful of counties that were heavily Democratic to recount instead of calling for a full statewide recount. Furthermore, several newspapers did, in fact, complete the recount of the entire state and determined that George W. Bush did win Florida in 2000.
Now if you are talking about the fact that Al Gore won the popular vote, that is irrelevant. The U. S. Constitution details the process for electing the President. And accordingly George W. Bush received more electoral votes.

Posted by: James Danley | March 30, 2008, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm

Compared to running away after 8 questions were asked?

Posted by: geevill | March 30, 2008, 4:01 pm 4:01 pm

Did ABC miss the news on Maggie Williams?
While Hillary Clinton campaigns for the Democratic presidential nomination in neighborhoods where many have lost their homes in unscrupulous lending schemes, her campaign manager, Margaret “Maggie” Williams, sits on the board of one of the nation’s once-largest and now-bankrupt sub-prime mortgage lenders.
Williams joined the board of directors at New York-based Delta Financial Corporation in 2000, one month after a federal settlement was reached with Delta Financial over discriminatory lending practices.
As of September 2007, Williams owned 12,500 shares of Delta’s common stock, and by 2007 had earned at least $175,000 for her board obligations, according to company filings available in the Securities & Exchange Commission online database.

Posted by: harold | March 30, 2008, 4:01 pm 4:01 pm

@ ALL ANTI-HILLARY POSTERS…
if America didn’t want her as our president the big states would have told her…and guess who decides the presidency? not the popular vote! the electoral college, and who has more power in the electoral college? the big states!

Posted by: John | March 30, 2008, 4:01 pm 4:01 pm

No lead in raw vote or delegates… Well I guess her being a woman is more important than the pigment of Obama’s skin. It’s amazing that the towo most liberial and big government war mogers are arguing over who gets to feed at the corporate trough. What are we arguing about? Neither of these people are intending to respresent US in office. THey are fighting to dictate and lord over us, with the tyranny of bigger government. You are fighting and wasting time over which dictator you prefer. What is wrong with you folks? Do you NOT think, EVER???

Posted by: cba | March 30, 2008, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm

Obama had to run a campaign against the Clintons, who had over 60 people die mysteriously under their regime, and the Federal Government.
WOW! You are the first person in history who had to run against two people (actually three when you add Chelsea), with one being a two-term president.
Obama, you are doing a wonderful job.

Posted by: jack | March 30, 2008, 4:39 pm 4:39 pm

Folks, the real revolution is actually still going on, out there in our country, in the open, while so many are typing hate messages in little boxes in these blogs…
One man running as presidential candidate visited Penn State University on this Sunday afternoon -
more than 22000 people came to see and listen to him…
22000 people, imagine that.
There’s only 1 candidate in this race who would accomplish that.
That man will be, for many good reasons, the next President of the United States.

Posted by: Keats | March 30, 2008, 4:43 pm 4:43 pm

@ H
what a stupid thing to say.
hillary supports are way beyond the fact that they are voting for the first woman who has an actual chance. they are voting for her because her SOLUTIONS. the fact that she is a woman is a side note and not the BASIS of her campaign, and when she says that she actually means it unlike Barack Obama.

Posted by: Bobby | March 30, 2008, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm

You people make me sick Hilly is a fake she care nothing about thew middle or poor class of peole in this country.She has never wanted for nothing.Wait until you see her tax report>>>She took 800.000 for insurance companys after her health paln fell threw yes,more then you and I make in a life time.She is a lair>>>>>>>>>>Her private trust was about 41 mil….Wal Mart,oil, medical, insurances all the big boys she has played footies with.WISE UP.

Posted by: h | March 30, 2008, 4:49 pm 4:49 pm

@ h
Obama took $1,000,000 from sub prime mortgage companies!

Posted by: Bobby | March 30, 2008, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm

Mellon Scaife no doubt figured the way he could hurt her most was by complimenting her and he’s probably correct. It will feed the rumors that she’s scheming and plotting with him. When it comes to the Clinton’s Democrats have always been their own worst enemies. They just don’t know how to take the good with the bad even though the good frequently outweighs the bad.

Posted by: duck476 | March 30, 2008, 4:53 pm 4:53 pm

so why should i vote for obama? because he promises “change” and he’s a “uniter”. I wouldn’t have voted bush the first time he ran and i won’t vote for the Democratic version now!

Posted by: Bobby | March 30, 2008, 4:54 pm 4:54 pm

That if the “political experts” on CNN and MSNBC would quit trashing Clinton while kissing up to Obama 24/7, they would find that she is by far the best candidate. She has more knowledge and experience as well as better econonmic and health care plans than Obama or McCain. She should be the Democrat nominee and subsequent, President.

Posted by: PMC | March 30, 2008, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm

although I am an african american woman also-i do not believe hillary should be president just because she is a woman
any more that I believe it is alright for my black brothers and sisters to vote for obama because his skin is black.
I am supporting hillary because I have read where she stands of the issues of Healthcare, student loans, the economy
etc.
I would much rather see her get into office and work it out to get healhtcare for all. and therefore bring healthcare cost down for all. I heard a woman call into washington journal and say she had cancer-and was just about bankrupt-she said she hoped hillary got into office-because as far as she could tell-she would not be in the shape (financially) if she had hillary healthcare plan now.
I support hillary because of her plan for student loans-
I have a child in 2nd yr of colleg now, and another one coming up right in behind that one. My husband and I are nurses and my whole family wants hillary in office-so she can stop the predatory student loan-sharks.
I want hillary in office because of her plan for ending the war-responsibly-because (obama-has only copied hillary plan for withdrawal-like he has all of her other plans) and Mccain wants the 50-100 year war. I have grandchildren that I do not want to have to go and fight John Mccains war-he probally will not even survive the war he wants to carry on. I do not want to end up on welfare in my old age because the country’ coffers have gone bankrupt.
this am they were just talking about how the food banks are drying up-the food banks that help the poor-are drying up. Now “H” you maybe well off and you want obama to win because of the “symbolic-we have a black president”
I know it cannot be because of the issues because-Mr. Obama-is not up on the issues-listen to the next debate and see how he stumbles when asked a direct question about the issues. He is the designer candidate-who has been groomed-you can go and see how groomed he is-google-”picture of obama holding phone receiver upside down”-and see the clock in the background set at 3oclock.
on the economy mr obama makes a speech and tells us the things the people already know. Hillary makes a speech and then turns around and takes questions and answers the people in the audience’ questions. From some of the things I see of obama-he is all about making speeches-and getting applause.Hillary is all about the issues and solutions to those issues.
Now I am capable of listening to all the junk I hear and read about Hillary and then listen to what she has to say about the issues that affect me. and I am able to discern-what she is offering to me on the issues far out weigh the negative stuff I hear about her.
especially when I put her solutions next to obama speeches and mccains wanting to cont’ this war.
and that is my stance and I am sticking with it.
On the issues she is the right one
Hold you nose and vote for her.
over the next four years you will be glad you did.
I have a right to say what I think-that is why we have this instrument to use this way. and I enjoy reading well thought out comments-even those that disagree with mine. but the crazy stuff-no place for that here. Our country is in too dire straits to be dealing with that made-up, dreamed-up, all in the past stuff-especially if it is not going to make life better for all americans.
I am black, I am a woman, and I will not give my vote away obama just because he is black
I will not give my vote away to a woman, just because she is a woman.
to many good people sufferd and died for me to have the right to vote.
I have been reading their positions and paying attention-to how fair and balanced this thing is shaping up.
I am voting for the one who is most qualified-to articulate the solutions to the issues.
I am voting for Hillary.
Hillar 08′

Posted by: jgaw | March 30, 2008, 5:18 pm 5:18 pm

@ KRAVITZ
Wasn’t Obama all about the will of the people? Guess who won the PRIMARY IN TEXAS? HILLARY CLINTON and it was more than what Obama won the CAUCUS by. Most primary voters didn’t even go to the CAUCUS or else he would’ve lost that too. As a Texan, I should know. You were required to vote in the Primary to be allowed to vote in the caucus, but if you voted in the Primary you didn’t have to vote in the caucus.

Posted by: Bobby | March 30, 2008, 5:28 pm 5:28 pm

Well, if the Lord Obama were doing this, it would be called “reaching across the aisles.” Since it is Clintono it must be something awful and sinister. keep spewing people.

Posted by: tony | March 30, 2008, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm

Jim,
I’m amazed at your ability to detect someone’s true party affiliation through an anonymous medium such as the Internet. Tell me, do feel an electrical sensation when you actually touch the keys, or does this type of data reveal itself in the form of background patterns via the monitor. Can you please tell me my party affiliation, I’m just curious.

Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | March 30, 2008, 5:36 pm 5:36 pm

“My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world.
I hope you’ll join with me as we try to change it.” — Barack Obama
Or you can say it’s just words…but this time it’s Obama’s own words, and you can see what he is saying….
enough said….lol

Posted by: carpenter.nyc | March 30, 2008, 5:36 pm 5:36 pm

kravitz,
“done dis diva cut”?
we can all tell now,
You want hillary to be president so you can take advantage of her plan to pay for you to go back to school.
Excellent Kravitz.
Kravitz done decided they be for Hillary
sorry, I tried to keep myself from writing this-but I could not.
But this is part of what just gets me.
It was probally some of obama’s far left
backer-that caused “K” to end up thinking to spell and form sentences such as these are either: a-correct or b:cute. it is not.
And since none of us really know these people-why don’t we try to know what we need to know of them through-how they say they will handle the things that matter to us. the issues-

Posted by: jgaw | March 30, 2008, 5:38 pm 5:38 pm

I just hope people really think before they support a person for a job which will make them one of the most powerful person in the world.
“My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world.
I hope you’ll join with me as we try to change it.” — Barack Obama

Posted by: carpenter.nyc | March 30, 2008, 5:43 pm 5:43 pm

@ alison
OBAMA HAD ADS AIRING ON TV!!!!
HE TRIED TO GAME THE SYSTEM IN CASE HE NEEDED THE DELEGATES, BUT HIS ADS DIDN’T WORK DID THEY?

Posted by: Bobby | March 30, 2008, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm

for the working poor, the middleclass, the uninsured,the college students,
it is the logical choice is:
Hillary/Edwards 08′

Posted by: jgaw | March 30, 2008, 5:57 pm 5:57 pm

Would somebody be so kind as to tell us about any substantial difference between the policies of Obama vs the policies of Clinton?
I thought not.
Any difference is trivial indeed!

Posted by: Surelock Homes | March 30, 2008, 6:01 pm 6:01 pm

Of course there isn’t differences because he waits for her plans and then agree just this week he got busted for copying her $30 billion stimulus package.

Posted by: Bobby | March 30, 2008, 6:05 pm 6:05 pm

the difference is Hillary produced her plans for the economy, healthcare, student loans, ending the war responsibly, you know the list.
she produced first.
he copied
go check it
now the media will play it as if he originated the plan but not true-and she is still ahead on the news that comes out everyday. listen to her speeches-she tell what she will do over the next four year and how she will pay for them-and she also talks about what should be done about what is happenings today.

Posted by: jgaw | March 30, 2008, 6:09 pm 6:09 pm

@ jgaw
you don’t have to check…just watch the debates…
“i fundamentally agree with Senator Clinton”
“Senator Clinton and I have no real differences on this issues”
but on healthcare…
the you know what hits the fan.

Posted by: Bobby | March 30, 2008, 6:12 pm 6:12 pm

obama would probally still be struggling with the Nation of Islam Minister question he had from the last debate-if she had not “schooled” him right there on national tv for all of us to witness.
That instance right there is why at best he should be vp. and not trying for president.
He said he was not ready for it.
I wish he had stuck by it. and not Kerry,bradley,dean, axelrod and crew talk him out of it.

Posted by: jgaw | March 30, 2008, 6:14 pm 6:14 pm

Difference between Obama and Clinton is the level of their Judgement and their Ideals in dealing with our Nation’s day to day deals.
You must judge these 2 candidates.Who knows better? Who will worker Harder? Who can deal Better? WHO DO YOU REALLY KNOW BETTER?
My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world.
I hope you’ll join with me as we try to change it.” — Barack Obama ( 20 years with a Black Liberation Church — and he tells us to open our arms to other races and faith)
This quote tells me everything I need to know.
Hillary 08!

Posted by: carpenter.nyc | March 30, 2008, 6:16 pm 6:16 pm

I am sorry, I think Hillary’s plan for healthcare is better than what obama is proposing
but I will listen to why you think his is better.

Posted by: jgaw | March 30, 2008, 6:19 pm 6:19 pm

lol i think all her plans are better too, but that is the only time they get into arguments.
and the media tries to make it seem hillary is healthcare obsessed.

Posted by: Bobby | March 30, 2008, 6:21 pm 6:21 pm

jgaw:
Why do you think Clinton’s health care system is better? And what do you think about her FORCING people to accept it or have their wages garnished?

Posted by: Surelock Homes | March 30, 2008, 6:22 pm 6:22 pm

@ surelock homes
if you want obama’s plan then you want partial universal healthcare.

Posted by: Bobby | March 30, 2008, 6:25 pm 6:25 pm

Oh my god, I have wondered for months where Obama followers get their information.It is from Rush Limbaugh. ’nuff said.

Posted by: Barb | March 30, 2008, 6:27 pm 6:27 pm

Oh, yes, I see, I agree with you.Bobby
on this

Posted by: jgaw | March 30, 2008, 6:30 pm 6:30 pm

So, regarding health care.
What does each candidate think the coverage should be? Will it be a major-medical plan? Will it be as good as the members of congress get? Will it be highly socialized like England (where the richest have private coverage)? Will it have a medicine donut like Medicare has? Will it cover illegals? Etc.
In other words, what kind of meat is in the sandwich?

Posted by: Surelock Homes | March 30, 2008, 6:31 pm 6:31 pm

Following is an excerpt from Prof. Charles Lipson’s (U. Chicago) article – RCP website.
Is this something that the voters should ignore or know more about?
“Obama’s final stump also lies in Kenwood, where he was friendly with the 1960s radicals, Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn. Ayers and Dohrn, now married, were members of the Weather Underground, a group that killed police and tried to bomb the US Capitol. Ayers and Dohrn spent a decade on the run before turning themselves in and spending time in jail. Both are now professors and prominent figures in Chicago’s leftist-progressive politics.
In his memoirs, Ayers speaks evocatively of his revolutionary days and reiterated his political commitments in an interview with the New York Times: “I don’t regret setting bombs; I feel we didn’t do enough.” The interview appeared with exquisitely bad timing–on September 11, 2001.

Posted by: Onlooker | March 30, 2008, 6:35 pm 6:35 pm

Obama’s plan is the same, but instead of forcing you to pay before being injured he forces you to pay when you get to the emergency room.

Posted by: Bobby | March 30, 2008, 6:35 pm 6:35 pm

It continually amazes me to see the Democratic party, which has greater potential for across-the-board victory and greater inherent advantages this year than it’s had for a generation, descend into this kind of vitriolic chaos.
I am not a member of any party, but I am predisposed, in general, to favor the Democrats in national elections (especially after the last 8 years of abject, spectacular Republican failure). But seeing the slime being thrown in the Democratic primary this year is making it very possible that I’ll vote for McCain. And, as much as I hate to say it, that’s especially true if Clinton wins the Democratic nomination. The ease with which she and her campaign (and, alas, so many of her “supporters” on boards like this) slip into such a positively Limbaugh-esque attack mode of utterly hyperbolic demonization and character assassination has turned me against her irrevocably.
Those of you who are Democrats and smearing each other so energetically: you’re driving people like me away from your candidates.

Posted by: Hippodamoio | March 30, 2008, 6:36 pm 6:36 pm

We all remember well I guess how Bill Clinton that Hillary’s would be over were she to lose Texas.
Today we learn that she definitely lost Texas in pledged delegates.
With more than 56% of the results tallied from today’s 284 Democratic district conventions across Texas, Obama currently is projected to earn a 38-29 pledged delegate win in the Texas caucuses, exactly as projected on the day after the March 4th precinct caucuses. The nine delegate margin in the caucuses means Obama will gain a net margin of five pledged delegates from Texas because Senator Clinton narrowly won the Texas primary by only four delegates, 65-61.

Posted by: Deirdre | March 30, 2008, 6:39 pm 6:39 pm

My husband really thinks that Clinton could end up being McCain’s VP choice if she loses the nomination. He thinks this because of her (and Bill’s) praise for McCain over Obama, i.e. experience, two people who really love their country. I find it hard to believe but who knows?

Posted by: Cindy in Salt Lake | March 30, 2008, 6:40 pm 6:40 pm

@Deirdre
How much will Hillary gain win the right thing is done Florida and Michigan?
and Obama didn’t win Texas! He lost the PRIMARY where there was a HIGHER voter turnout.

Posted by: Bobby | March 30, 2008, 6:43 pm 6:43 pm

to plainly put it:
Hillary plan will cover all-and make it affordable for all. There is no reason everyone who can pay something-anything they can afford-they should be required to pay. Because if we are trying to get coverage for all-if you leave anyone out
itstill gives leverage to the insurance companies. and if people who are in need of healthcare-have jobs they should pay something-and I believe they should pay on the front end rather than the back end. and if the working poor do not have to pay-it will only cost you and me. the goal is affordable for all. and the working poor should pay something. and the bit about covering the children but giving the parents a choice-when I am flying on a plane I am told to put my o2 mask on before I put my childs on.-especially for the sake of the child. for me the same goes for the healthcare-if I am working and sick because I cannot afford healthcare I will either end up sicker-and therefore a burden on the healthcare system or i’ll die. and either way my child will still suffer. and if enough adults who have the option to be covered-and opt not to-(the coverage my child has will soon dwindle down-because of the burden I have put on the system)
the only way to make universal healthcare work-is to require that all be covered. It then is affordable for all. and please do not believe what you hear about England and their system of universal healthcare. I have lived there and used that system-it is a fine system

Posted by: jgaw | March 30, 2008, 6:49 pm 6:49 pm

Bobby, if MI & FL re-vote, which I hope they do, Hillary will gain a few delegates and so will Obama. The reason she said today that she will stay in the race until those two states’ delegate issue is resolved, is because she wants to get ahead in the popular vote count. She’s currently behind Obama by 700,000 votes. That’s an easier gap to fill than pledged delegates and will strengthen her argument to superdelegates to vote in her favor at the convention.

Posted by: Cindy in Salt Lake | March 30, 2008, 6:57 pm 6:57 pm

Posted by: jgaw | Mar 30, 2008 5:18:32 PM
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God Bless You jgaw. Too bad many more on these boards would post in such a respectful and well thoughout manner their postions on their candidates and why they support them. Instead they choose to just bash any opposing view over the head in a totally uncivil manner.

Posted by: Sparkie | March 30, 2008, 6:58 pm 6:58 pm

“She’s currently behind Obama by 700,000 votes”
Make that 814,000; check realclearpolitics for these numbers.

Posted by: Deirdre | March 30, 2008, 7:02 pm 7:02 pm

@ Cindy
Hillary won Florida fair and square.
Obama had ads on TV and his supporters had life size cut outs of him, so he wasn’t this “unknown” candidate in that.
The real problem is Michigan.

Posted by: Bobby | March 30, 2008, 7:04 pm 7:04 pm

Folks, the discussion of everyone having medical insurance is really a sham. In one of the debates where Sen. Obama and Sen. Clinton detailed their health care plans, Sen. Clinton stated that under her plan those individuals who are currently pleased with their medical insurance can keep that plan…”FOR NOW!” The reason she is so vague about how she will force everyone to obtain medical insurance, is because she will eventually have every covered under Medicare or a similar bureaucracy. She intends to eliminate private medical insurance.
Now as for universal womb-to-tomb health care, be very careful what you ask for. Do your homework. Once the federal government takes over the health care system you will not be able to sue for malpractice should something go wrong. But even more importantly, under the guise of preventative health care the bureaucrats will tell us what we can or cannot eat and drink, and tell us what products we can or cannot purchase.
Don’t just shrug this off! It is already happening! Not just in other countries with socialized health care, but right here at home. Some states are already considering forcing us to eliminate the traditional light bulbs and replace them with the compact fluorescent light bulbs. That might sound great until you realize just how much mercury is in these spiral light bulbs. Mercury is a potent neurotoxin, and it’s especially dangerous for children and fetuses. One woman learned the hard way. When her daughter broke one of these light bulbs, her daughter became extremely ill. And it cost the woman $5,000 to have a company come in and decontaminate the room. Again, do your homework!

Posted by: James Danley | March 30, 2008, 8:15 pm 8:15 pm

Thinking, Rush Limbaugh is not promoting Sen. Clinton over Sen. Obama because he wants her to get the nomination or is afraid of Sen. Obama. Rush just wants the fight to continue. That’s why he calls his effort Operation Chaos.

Posted by: James Danley | March 30, 2008, 8:45 pm 8:45 pm

“The Clintons have been through it already, and come out stronger.”
mmm… maybe Hillary didn’t come out so strong after all, for is she is losing this race.
And if she losing this race because of Obama’s toughness, one might conclude that he is a better and stronger fighter than both Clinton AND the GOP that has NOT been able to tear her down.

Posted by: kurt | March 30, 2008, 11:02 pm 11:02 pm

@Carpenter.nyc
“My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world.
I hope you’ll join with me as we try to change it.” — Barack Obama
LOL right
Is Scaife getting back at his wife?

Posted by: magda | March 30, 2008, 11:49 pm 11:49 pm

Debra Starks has heard the calls for Hillary Rodham Clinton to quit the presidential race, and she’s not happy about it.
The 53-year old Wal-Mart clerk, so bedecked with Clinton campaign buttons most days that friends call her “Button Lady,” thinks sexism is playing a role in efforts to push the New York senator from the race. Starks wants Clinton to push back.
“The way I look at it, she’s a strong woman and she needs to stay in there. She needs to fight,” Starks said at a Clinton campaign rally. “If you want to be president, you have to fight for what you want. If she stays in there and does what she’s supposed to do, I think she’ll be on her way.”
Amid mounting calls from top Democrats for Clinton to step aside and clear the path for rival Barack Obama, strategists are warning of damage to the party’s chances in November if women – who make up the majority of Democratic voters nationwide, but especially the older, white working-class women who’ve long formed the former first lady’s base – sense a mostly male party establishment is unfairly muscling Clinton out of the race.
“Women will indeed be upset if it appears people are trying to push Hillary Clinton out of the way,” said Carol Fowler, the South Carolina Democratic Party chair who is backing Obama. “If you are going to ask her to withdraw, you’d better be making a strong case for it – both to the candidate and the public.”
Vermont Sen. Patrick Leahy last week became the first leading Democrat to openly call on Clinton to abandon her bid and back Obama, a sentiment shared by many activists worried that a drawn-out nominating contest only bolsters Republican nominee-in-waiting John McCain.
Other Obama supporters have echoed that view while stopping short of asking Clinton to withdraw.
New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson on Sunday called Obama’s lead all but insurmountable, while Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry said the contest would be reaching “a point of judgment” very soon.
“I don’t think it’s up to our campaign or any individual to tell Hillary Clinton or their campaign when that is,” Kerry, the 2004 Democratic nominee, said on ABC’s “This Week” on Sunday. “But there will be, I think, a consensus about it, and I think it’s going to occur over these next weeks.”
To be sure, Clinton campaign officials concede her path to winning the nomination is not at all clear.
She almost certainly will end the primary season narrowly trailing Obama in the popular vote and among pledged delegates unless the nullified primaries in Florida and Michigan are counted – an unlikely scenario at best. But Obama is unlikely to end the race with the 2,024 pledged delegates needed to win outright either, meaning the nominee will be determined by roughly 800 “superdelegates” – elected officials and party insiders who can back whichever candidate they want.
Most observers believe the superdelegates are unlikely to risk an intraparty uproar – not to mention the ire of black voters thrilled to support a black candidate – by siding with Clinton if Obama maintains his lead among pledged delegates.
But Clinton advisers believe many superdelegates remain at least persuadable, due in no small part to the influence of women voters on the party and in the general election.
“My e-mail is bursting with women who are furious, and it’s grown in the last week,” said Ann Lewis, Clinton’s director of women’s outreach and a longtime Democratic activist.
“These women are the volunteer infrastructure of the Democratic Party who’ve been proud to support Democratic officials for what they believe and stand for,” Lewis said. “They are very angry that people they’ve worked for so hard would be so dismissive of Hillary and, by extension, of them and what they value.”
Indeed, the gender gap in most of the primaries thus far has been stark.
In California, Clinton bested Obama by a margin of 59 percent to 36 percent among women. She beat him by 54 percent to 45 percent among women in Ohio, an important general election battleground state.
Obama, in turn, has walloped Clinton among men in nearly every state. But he’s prevailed among women in just a handful of places, including his home state of Illinois and states with large black populations.
For his part, the Illinois senator – whose seemingly disrespectful crack of “You’re likable enough, Hillary” during a debate with Clinton may have cost him the New Hampshire primary – said Saturday he did not believe Clinton should end her campaign.
“My attitude is Senator Clinton can run as long as she wants,” Obama said in Pennsylvania, which holds its primary April 22.
Nine more primaries follow, ending June 3.
Clinton insists she’s in it to the end, saying a “spirited contest” is good for the party and ultimately will produce a stronger nominee.
“There are millions of reasons to continue this race: people in Pennsylvania, Indiana and North Carolina, and all of the contests yet to come,” she told reporters Friday in Hammond, Ind. “This is a very close race and clearly I believe strongly that everyone should have their voices heard and their votes counted.”
Campaigning across the state Saturday, Clinton was greeted by large, heavily female crowds that shouted “You go, sister!” and “We’ve got your back!” in support of her pioneering candidacy. Indiana votes May 6.
Marie Wilson, president of the White House Project that trains women to run for office, noted that women typically have rallied around Clinton when she’s appeared most vulnerable – from the revelations of her husband’s dalliance with White House intern Monica Lewinsky to January’s New Hampshire primary after the bruising loss to Obama in Iowa.
“Women have always been asked to step aside if it was somehow for the greater good. In this case, Clinton, and a lot of her female supporters, clearly feel that she would make the better president and that it would not be for the greater good for her to step aside,” Wilson said.

Posted by: Women push back for HRC | March 30, 2008, 11:55 pm 11:55 pm

Listening to all the cons (and too few pros) of the candidates I end up wondering which of these candidates will screw of my life the least.
My answer is McCain. I think he’ll try to protect us while interfering in my life the least. Obama’s agenda is a mystery and Hillary is a control freak with a plan she has devised for everything. ARRGH! I don’t want Hillary running my life! All this government interference usually make matters worse – which must be why the federal government’s main responsibility was SUPPOSED to be protecting us as a whole from foreign dangers. But the politicians love invading our lives and calling it “help” because they can raise taxes which increases the cash flow at their disposal. Anyone surprised that a good get rich quick scheme is getting elected to political office?
All this talk about how the government is going to get us jobs, etc is just hogwash to manipulate the masses. Most of us can do better left to our own devices if the politicians would get their mitts off our wallets.

Posted by: SuziQ | March 31, 2008, 12:20 am 12:20 am

DC Voter
But the Clinton campaign has yet to pay Forty Two for two other February events, and the employee said the campaign has stopped returning phone calls, e-mails and didn’t respond to a certified letter.
But ….but…Hillary already said she couldn’t worry about every under capitalized business in the US. It’s not Hillary’s fault this vendor can’t make an unplanned donation to her campaign. (heavy sarcasm)

Posted by: SuziQ | March 31, 2008, 12:33 am 12:33 am

Obama can play as a nice guy, for sure.
Pretending he is okay with Hillary stays longer on this race but push her from behind with using all the super delegates’ hands.
Anyway, she is a tough, smart and she will survive.

Posted by: crisis08 | March 31, 2008, 12:57 am 12:57 am

Writer’s blog question: What do you think is going on here?
what I think is going on here as usual, is that a schoolyard type agitator is trying to “set up” those he does not like. Hoping “bullies” will do his job for him, while he sits back out of the fray.
Seems as if said writer/agitator simply is so blinded by his own inadequacies, that he must constantly rip and tear at a “very adequate female Presedential” candidate.
If HRC talks to the press, any and all press including conservative, she has somehow “wounded” the ego of those such as the writer.
What a disaster today’s media has become. They carp and pule more than any candidate could begin to. However, in this case, and for this blog writer, anything re HRC seems personal!

Posted by: MC | March 31, 2008, 4:18 am 4:18 am

Forgive my naiviete’, but maybe she was taking a high road with a former “enemy”. I don’t think it was Faustian for her to respond to an interview request with his Pittsburgh paper.

Posted by: katrina | March 31, 2008, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm

I know one thing Obama has been too quiet, and polite for the last couple days. Telling the press “Clinton should keep on running”. WATCH!!! All of sudden something is going to come up AGAIN about Hillary. He’s extremely slithery just like a snake. Have to give it to her the woman is resilient. She’s more woman, than he is a man.

Posted by: mgck59 | March 31, 2008, 4:42 pm 4:42 pm

A positive story about Hillary Clinton? Well keep going, please! Why doesn’t the U.S. media report on Obama’s campaign owing $625,000 in unpaid bills? I have to read foreign newspapers to get ANY information about Barack.

Posted by: Susie | March 31, 2008, 6:26 pm 6:26 pm

when Obama overstated, the written article classified it as myth and “not true” when Clinton overstated it becomes a lie. When will this end, glossing over Obama imperfections and big bold highlight over Clinton imperfections. Both are imperfect. I think Obama’s true nature is telling when he equates his grandmother with the bigot Wright. I think his mother is crying now to see what Obama has become, belittling blood relatives and praising social relatives. Wow!

Posted by: kalli | March 31, 2008, 6:28 pm 6:28 pm

I read it somewhere that Obama is inclined to favor Reagan and Bush Sr. economic policy, supply-side economy. Is this the kind of liberal thoughts that people who call themselves liberals want. I thought such policy has resulted our current woes. Can good reporters report this!

Posted by: kalli | March 31, 2008, 6:32 pm 6:32 pm

You guys just don’t get it. Hillary is getting in bed big time with the ultra right-wing republicans; that’s the whole point of this article that you seem to be missing. It’s not a good thing that she was endorsed by this ultra-conservative rag.
Think! Her supporter praised FOX today; she has praised McCain repeatedly, and is working cooperatively on many fronts with the right-wing media to take Obama down. If she can’t win, she is taking the Democratic party down with her.
Wake up Democrats; you are falling right into the trap of Clinton/Republicans, and this country will pay for it dearly.

Posted by: nandssmith | April 1, 2008, 2:09 am 2:09 am

Food for thought: It does seem as if something is going on. We went through an office of 100 racially mixed employees today, came out with a strong Hillary support. Polls say Obama is LEADING Hillary almost in double digits. I don’t think so! I think the Republicans are looking for an easy win…Knowing that Obama (REGARDLESS OF DELEGATES)is not going win. COMMON SENSE tells us that if it were easier for McCain to beat Hillary (since her ratings are so poor)wouldn’t that make better sense to place her in the lead more so than Obama. Because the polls are media based information. Personally I’m not buying all this OBAMA love. Too many contradictions coming out of his OWN mouth. No one in their right mind would vote for ANYONE that was associated to someone that they found later to be a bigot. It seems as if they are trying SO HARD to trash Hillary. No she shouldn’t concede, she’s right. I wouldn’t either.

Posted by: Mgck59 | April 1, 2008, 12:48 pm 12:48 pm

If she declared the forces aligned against her the vast right conspiracy one year to suit the trials and tribulations, then she walks away from that concern when it is politically expedient now. My question becomes: who is Hillary really?
She and Bill asked us to fight these people during his presidency. Now that she is making nice with them and their tactics, have they had the kinds of change of heart that forces one to forgive and to forget? What evidence do they have especially when they want her to go negative on Obama?
I don’t know what they, Scaife and the Clintons, have in mind but I don’t think it will be good for progressive. She accused Obama of loving Reagan, but she cuddles up to the people who wasted our taxpayer dollars on investigating the US President for 8 years.
I don’t look favorably on the investigations or her choice to associate with the agents of intolerance.

Posted by: Genna | April 2, 2008, 1:18 am 1:18 am

Genna it is irrelevant what you are talking about. There is absolutely, positively nothing Obama has done to prove himself worthy. Nothing ! Oh Other than talk, talk, talk, talk, talk and more talking, and he can do that quite well. If that’s all you need for him to prove himself worthy than I guess his is the man for the job. If you go onto the Congressional pages and see his voting record since he’s been in the Senate that’s even a joke. It isn’t anymore spectacular than the other candidates…in fact compared to some it is quite poor. When ask why he later retracted some of the votes he had previously cast. This dim wit says quote “I didn’t understand what that meant”. What!!! What!!! So, when you’re in the White House you are going to say duh I didn’t understand what that meant…. yeah right get a life! He hasn’t done anything! Poof* came out from nowhere,some folk have gone as far as to call him the second coming of Christ….that is deep. Too deep for me. I’m not that shallow, nor am I a follower, or a conformist. He’s just another candidate that happen to have a darker hue than most, running in a political race, with the gift for gab. To tell the truth he’s a joke…. Yeah I said it! I’m a black woman, I say that with conviction and could care less what people think about it black or white… I will say it again “HE IS A JOKE”. How unfortunate he had to be the one to represent the Black Community.

Posted by: mgck59 | April 2, 2008, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm

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