The Choice

I honestly believe Hillary would have the hardest time winning the Obama supporters and Independents.
Obama can gain several of the Blue Collar voters by chosing the right running mate (Edwards).

I suspect those polls are very out of date at this point. After wide publication of the sermons of Rev. Wright-friend, mentor, pastor, savior,whatever, to Barack Obama, you can forget about Blue Collar Dems and Independents supporting Obama in the general election. What a difference a day makes.

Trudy,
Thank you. I completely agree. As Nancy Pelosi said, she can’t image the superdelegate overruling the candidate with the most delegates.
Independents will never vote Hillary. Their option right now is between Obama and McCain. Bothof whom who are going through similar situation.
Obama can get majority of Hillary supporters by chosing Edwards. I don’t see any other choice but Edwards.
Hillary, no matter who she choses, she will lose the AA, young, and Independent voters.
And to think she was the “inevitable” candidate. Funny what a year makes.

Obama just stumbled. Don’t you read your own news?
How many blue collar Americans are going to vote for a man closely identified with a pastor who preaches “God Damn America.”
Think of the field day the Republicans will have using this material (if the Democrats’ death wish results in his nomination). Especially in conjunction with his wife’s remarks (now understandable in this context), and videos of Obama next to Hillary refusing to make the pledge of allegiance.

There’s one sure thing I’m glad about and it’s
1)This news came out now rather then 3 days before Penn or North Carolina.
2)The news will die down within the next 2 weeks and as the debate approach.
3)We will see more pressure for Clinton to release her earmark, tax returns, and her documents as first lady.

i think that it is very possible for hillary to gain the support of obama only if obama stop being stubborn and run for vice president. then the democrats would be unstoppable

I have never trusted Obama. He claims that he only “recently” learned about the “statements at issue” by his pastor, because he never heard them while he was sitting in the pew. That settles it, right?
To paraphrase a Pat Buchanan comment, this is yet another example of Obama’s strategy of holding his breath and hoping nothing new comes out.
If Obama thinks that just because he is not white, he is going to get an automatic pass on anything and everything, he is greatly mistaken. In case Obama and his supporters haven’t noticed, there are millions of us out here who do not decide what to think based on what the “press” is “reporting”.
AND if the Democrats are foolish enough to nominate Mr. Obama, we will witness a rout that will make Walter Mondale’s defeat look like a Mondale landslide.
This latest Rev. Wright bombshell could turn out to be a net plus. It just might inspire the Obama camp to stop crying racism every time a white person or a black non-supporter utters anything they can magically transform into a “race card” or one of those “despicable [Hillary or Bill] racial attacks”.
Granted, their ongoing strategy has worked with millions of black people. It won’t work with this one.

For anyone who says Independents will never vote for Hillary, think again. Who are you to speak for me? You obviously don’t. Independent and voting for Hillary. If not Hillary, then McCain, but NEVER OBAMA.

A vote for a Democrats is a vote to end the war and the killing of our men & women in uniform. A vote for a republican is a continuation of the war. Who wants to spend $12b a month in Iraq, when we have problems in America that need those dollars now. I’ll vote for an end to the war, instead voting for someone who sang bomb, bomb, bomb Iran or thinks we should remain in Iraq for 100 years.

I am a long-term democrat and will not be voting for Hillary Clinton if she gets the nomination. I know a lot of long-term dems who think like me, so I don’t know how firm a grasp she has on dems.

I agree, I think Obama can shore up his support among dems by choosing a running mate who appeals to traditional dems. I don’t think any Clinton ticket would be capable of expanding her base into Independents and Republicans. So Obama does have more potential to create a greater coalition. Not only will Clinton not be able to expand her coalition, I think she could also loose a significant portion of Obama supporters, more liberal dems (like myself who will not vote for her in November if she steals the nomination). Either way Clinton’s margin is much more narrow.

As I read the blogs from Obama’s supporters, it’s clear that THEY are playing the race card. What’s really upsetting is that they’ve managed to sideline and obliterate the unity that Bill Clinton developed among all democratic fashions – and the Clinton’s authentic regard for all groups in the democratic coalition. It might take some distance from this campaign but that will be the story of this election – that this so-called transformational candidate did so much to undo the gains of the last 16 years. Thanks for taking us backward, Obama! Years ago, I crossed party lines to vote for our state’s first Black senator. Before you and your supporters reduced this election to a racial contest, I was excited by the prospect of your candidacy. Now, I’ll never vote for you – in this election or any future one. I hate to think that the outcome of this election is in your hands. Your vanity and arrogance will keep you from recognizing this fact.

I just have to say I agree with Janice If not Hillary it will have to be McCann And I know I’m not alone in this. I live In PA and we are getting ready to vote, just knowing you would associate yourself with a hate monger, like this pastor I know I could not vote for Obama!

venessa – you don’t say what “this” is in your post. You doubt that McCain will take aim on what? LOL you can’t even bear to stomach it so much so that you can’t even tell us what “this” is. Look, Obama’s pastor said point blank “God damn America!”. The other candidates’ spiritual leaders never said anything like that. The fact that Obama continues to defend his pastor who believes that God should damn America is unpatriotic. A pastor can say many things even teach wrong doctrine there are many of them out there probably all denominations have something wrong, BUT there is a difference when it comes to statements like “GOD DAMN AMERICA” and statements like AMERICA DESERVED 9/11 (say that to someone whose family member died in the 9/11 attack). I dare you to say that what Wright preached is no different than what you claim. How dare you!
I will never vote for Obama even though I don’t like McCain – McCain is far more patriotic far more respectable than Obama could ever be in a million years.
Obama has only shown that he is WEAK, he is a COWARD, he is UNPATRIOTIC, he is NOT COMMANDER IN CHIEF!

“Vanessa”,
Decisions on the latest polls? I don’t think so. If so, McCain would have been out of the race last summer and Hillary would have been out of the race after Iowa. New Hampshire polls had her down in double digits but she prevailed. Polls, schmolls. All you are interested in is trying to get us to focus on Bush 3 as some kind of viable alternative. Ain’t going to happen.

I’m just stating the facts. The possibility Hillary AND Obama will win the GE is almost slim to none UNLESS one drops out now (highly unlikely).
What you’re also forgetting is, Hillary was the “inevitable” nominee. She had the connections. She had her campaign organized years ago. She had leads of 20′s and even 30′s in states Obama has won.
And as of today, Obama leads in states 30-14. Leads in votes by 800,000 (according to CNN) and has a delegate lead of 161.
Although Clinton has a lead in superdelegates. Her lead has been eroded. It was once over 100. Now its at 30.
I guess by all means, Hillary is winning???

This is one angry Democrat who has been paying attention, and along with my family and friends, we are staying home in NOV. The DNC has run a sham of an undemocratic primary. The MSM and many in the blogosphere have used deception, lies and double standards when covering Hillary and Obama. And I am sick of the race baiting by the Obama campaign(read the 4page memo) who started this all and now it is backfiring on them. If this is how Obama wants to bring us all together he can forget my 20 family and friends. Obama is a media and DNC creation just like Bush was a RNC and media darling creation. Wake up, People!

pp,
So true. Even though we’ve all seen the footage of these sermons, the spin, spin, spin of the Republican attack machine is going to have a field day with this. Let’s only hope they hold off until the GE (in the event Senator Obama is the nominee) rather than now. If the RAM puts out those ads now, that will be huge trouble.

Obama is beginning to get that “deer in the headlights” look. One of the Fox news commentators said something similar last evening during their very focused coverage of the ugly, divisive preacher that Obama continues to support.
By the way, it’s incredible that Obama and so many of the Obama apologists include the fact that he’s a former marine. Who cares? Most marines can point to at least one of their own who tried to dishonor the corps.

Obama supporters it is OVER for him, those videos plus new ones will run on the internet forever. And if he is the nominee the republicans will run them everyday in ads. He laughed this week at the Clintons offering him the VP slot when he was in the lead. NOW it is too late for that position also.

You all need to break down the numbers…
the hard core central democrats are stuck in this argument protecting the Clintons …like my parents arguing that “Reba” was the best show on television because of all the people in their condo association in Floridas television sets are on at that time…
…or that eating less fat and more carbs was the way to lose weight…
You have been arguing for the Clintons for so long that you can’t break away from them being the bar.
This has a lot to do with “defending the queen” mentality…and I feel for you all…seriously. It’s like arguing with my parents over whether “Reba” is the best written show on television. Trust me, I like Reba, but I think Reba would argue with them.
More importantly…
The surge is not doing it’s job. Lets get focused.
How much “life” and money have we spent on the surge? How much life and money have we spent on the war? How much more life and money will we spend on the war/surge?
…and what of General Petraeus’ comments on the political establishment not making progress…since that was the only point of the surge. Since it was redundant to say a military surge would quell violence after a period of time.
The Choice we should make is going to end up dealing with this issue…you watch. …and those numbers as the economy tanks and we are still in Limbo with no movement toward any kind of real government in Iraq…and our soldiers are warn to the bone… and we have to tip into the kiddie again…
It’s the economy stupid…and the war/surge is going to be the biggest hole in the bucket…dear Liza, dear Liza. Well fix it dear Henry dear henry… (for those of you who aren’t of the sesame generation it’s from the show)

Obama supporters are truly delusional if they want to hold on to “days old” polling results. The vetting has begun. Your candidate has that “deer in the headlights” look.
It seems he can’t stand up to scrutiny. He’s on the defensive and he’s got a lot to defend – a divisive, racist minister, a land deal with a Chicago crook, his wife’s ugly rants. I’m almost feeling sorry for him.

Ummmmm, I just saw a news ticker that showed “Joe Biden (I-CT)”.
Just checked his website to see if he changed to an Independent. Nothing there. Where else can I look to verify this???

Gut feeling:
Hillary can’t win against McCain with traditional democrats alone.
Al Gore/Barack Obama could win against McCain, however because Gore could hold the traditional party votes and Obama would hold the new votes.

I don’t think it’s fair to say that Hillary would do a better job holding on to Democrats against McCain.
There’s still a democratic primary process going on and democrats are still divided in either the Hillary camp or the Obama camp. So as they answer a general election poll, they will be choosing whichever democrat they currently support in the primary process, and they will be hesitant to support their primary opponent.
However once the primary process is over and the Democratic nominee is decided, democrats will no longer have conflicting loyalties within the party and i think only then can the polls accurately depict what level of support a democratic candidate has in the general election.
I think it’s deceptive to look at how these general election polls break down while the primary process is still furiously engaged. Right now, if you are a Hillary supporter you will be very hesitant to vote for Obama in anything, even a general election poll against McCain.
But once the primary process is over and the democratic party is coalescing, i think that same Hillary supporter will vote for whoever is the democratic nominee.

IT’S VERY FUNNY HOW THE MEDIA SEEMS TO BE FOCUSING ALL OF ITS ENERGY ON JEREMIAH WRIGHT AND HIS SUPPORT OF OBAMA. WHY DOESN’T THE MEDIA PAY ATTENTION TO SOME OF THE CONTROVERSIAL REMARKS MADE BY JOHN HAGEE AND ROD PARSLEY WHO BOTH ENDORSED MCCAIN. WHAT MOST DON’T SEEM TO RECOGNIZE IS THAT MANY OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE BY JEREMIAH WRIGHT (AS RADICAL AS THEY MAY SEEM) STEMS FROM A REALITY THAT CANNOT EASILY BE ERASED. REPORTERS SUCH AS HANNITY TRY TO MAKE IT APPEAR THAT PASTOR WRIGHT IS ANTI-AMERICAN BUT THIS IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE. IT IS QUITE CLEAR TO ME THAT A MAN CAN LOVE HIS COUNTRY BUT NOT ENTIRELY AND BLINDLY ACCEPT ALL OF ITS ACTIONS OR POLICIES. ONE WOULD THINK THAT AFTER EIGHT YEARS OF BEING UNDER THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION, AMERICA WOULD BE SCREAMING FOR CHANGE. IT IS MY BELIEF THAT THIS CHANGE EXISTS IN BARACK OBAMA; NOT IN HILIARY CLINTON WHO IS SECRETIVE AND A BIT UNTRUSTWORTHY NOR DOES IT EXISTS IN JOHN MCCAIN WHO IS A BUSH CLONE. WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!

Please give obama a break. You shouldn’t hold him accountable for his minister remarks.Look

You know its funny that so many attack Obama based on the fact that he goes to a church where a pastor has certain views. The fact that Obama has went there for twenty years holds no bearing on his personal belief. Case in point. Lets say you are white and your grandparents are racist. In fact lets say they are members of the Klan. You have visited your grandparents constantly throughout the course of your life for 30 years. Does that make you a racist? Should a black man hate you are not trust you because you love your granparents. Exactly! Association does not make a person a racist. And to be honest John Mccain has two endorsements from evangelist John Hagee and pastor Rod Parsley who have said for worst than pastor Wright. That is unless since New Orleans was mostly black you don’t count it as part of America and you think its ok to kill all people that don’t share your religion. If you think their statements are ok then you are nothing more than a closest racist as is anyone who sits around and attacks Senator Obama but has nothing to say about Senator McCain. Also when a catholic goes to a church for 30 years and then it’s found that the Bishop had been molesting little boys does that mean the entire church thinks its ok? I mean if they share the Bishops other views they must share that too right? Again nothing but closet racist attacking Obama.

How much money has Rezko donated to Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton’s campaign. Why are they in a picture with Rezko? What was Rezko’s affiliation with the Clinton’s?

What I don’t understand is how could any body sit through the hate sermons and all.

Obama went to a church that had Wright preaching for 20 years and Obama happened to miss all the racist,damn America sermons,just like he missed having even one meeting on the foriegn affairs commitee he chairs you know the one that decides the level of troops in Afganistan.He also lied about Rezko and his level of involvement with him.Rezko was selling favors,contracts and appointments to the Illionois Health Facilities board and whos one of the members why Obama is.Rezko contributed over 250,000 dallors to Obamas campaigns and Obama only gives 150,000 to charity that he says came fron Rezko.Obama has radicals like Willian Ayers,Louis Farakhan,and Wright as friends.This will be the first time in my life that I’ll vote republican if Obama wins.Step down Obama and stop tearing the dems apart your not presidential material.

Obama was playing the race card in Iowa, and he has never stopped!but does any make a point about it? no, just when Hillary camp says any thing does he start to squal like a wounded monkey, further more the white house,senate delgates will make sure he gets in and it will be the last of our freedoms here in the United States- he will never get my vote! and i am not a racist- say good bye to our country

Obama is the only hope we have for improvement in the status quo.

I’m curious if the news media is looking at how many democrats have been turned off by the liberal wing’s support of Obama. The assumption that all democrats will fall in line with the masses supporting Obama is significantly overrated. Many non-Obama supporting democrats are disgusted with all the “old school” attacks on the Clinton’s and on us for supporting Hillary. I say let the nasty Obama supporters deal with the nasty republican’s and I’ll just “boycott” any political media coverage in the next seven months. Enough is enough.

Obama may not win those particular state but he can win the SWING STATES, colorado , wisconsin, iowa for expample

ATTENTION Delegates/Super-Delegates; Hillary has made a deal with the Devil by Praising McCain on National T.V. and should be BOOTED from the Democratic Party

It would be interesting to see new polls after this weekend…

So polls indicate Clinton leading in Penn. Should I say their wrong and Obama will win by 20???
In New Ham, Hillary won, HOWEVER, Obama recieved the most delegate. I wouldn’t entirely count that as a victory.
Bush did lose the popular vote and win the presidency.

It is time for Democrats to put an end to this nonsense. Democrats are heading for a disaster if they don’t put stop this toxic campaign. It is a testament to the fact that there is little difference between the policy stances of Obama and Clinton that the campaign has descended into recriminations on what their respective supporters have said, with overtones of racism and allegations of corruption where there is zero evidence that either candidate is really bigoted or ethically challenged.
More troubling is that the battle appears headed to a contentious convention. Any Democrat old enough to remember 1968 or 1972 knows this leads to nothing but a Republican victory in November. If things go as expected, Clinton will win Pennsylvania, while Obama will win virtually everywhere else. Neither will have enough pledged delegates to wrap it up and will turn to super delegates. Obama will claim that the most pledged delegates and most popular votes entitles him to the nomination, while Clinton claims winning big states entitles her to the nod. Whoever loses will go away angry. If Obama wins, feminists and probably the Michigan and Florida Democrats will feel they were robbed. If Clinton wins, with even more justification, Obama supporters will believe a nomination he won with the voters was taken away by party insiders. All the young people motivated by his campaign will turn away from the system and will go back to a cynical view of the whole process. African-Americans will feel this confirms those who claim this country will never accept them as full citizens if an appealing candidate like Obama is denied the nomination based on such a negative campaign run by Clinton and an insider intervention.
The end result: President McCain.
There is a way out of this, one that neither Democratic candidate is going to like. Sen. Clinton is right that a ticket that includes both candidates is what is needed. She is wrong on the order; it has to be Obama as Presidential candidate and Clinton as Vice-President. No matter how Pennsylvania goes, Obama is going to have the most delegates and most popular vote. The math is inescapable.
Obviously, Clinton and her supporters won’t be happy with this. But she should realize that she is not going to be elected President this year. If she gets the nomination it will be a Pyrrhic victory. The bitterness that would come from the party insiders overturning the vote of a majority of the pledged delegates and the popular vote won’t be overcome by November. A Clinton nomination would be doomed. On the other hand, if the joint ticket wins, in eight years she will still be considerably younger than McCain is now and the odds on favorite to succeed Obama.
Obama will not be that happy either. It would mean taking on his bitterest rival as a running mate after a nasty campaign. And if Clinton is the V.P. nominee, it will not be the normal subservient roll. He would have to allow her great input on the campaign and the platform. For instance, he would need to pick up a good portion of the Clinton health plan. He would also have to integrate the Clinton machine, including Bill Clinton, into his campaign.
The problem is, this needs to be done before the Pennsylvania primary. If Clinton wins Pennsylvania, the urge to take it all the way to the convention will be overwhelming. If Obama pulls out an upset, the race is over and Obama won’t need Clinton.
Parties leaders need to intervene with both candidates, now to end this. Otherwise, get ready for another four or eight years of Republican bumbling.

the delegate count in Ohio for instance is a false read…and it will end in disaster if it becomes the base line for nominating the presidential candidate
and here’s why
again..hilary won 84 counties in Ohio
and she won them by over 60% margins across the southern and much of the intensive blue collar youngstown vote
an area by the way that obama’s campaign heavily targeted
and again…even his campaign thought they would be competitive on such key swing areas…
but they failed and failed to capture even 40$ of the vote in such regions
..in a heavily campaigned, head on money driven contest by Obama he had ground game w/ 40 000 vols, air, radio and other ads outnumbering hilary 4 to 1
…and yet…and yet…
he picked up almost equal number of delegates in OHio
and i say..this while the rules of the game at present
is a SERIOUSLY misleading indicator of the way to the white house
because…that means..at least 1.4 million voters choice was
SERIOUSLY diluted by the rules of the dem party
i’m not debating the rules…all parties agreed …
but if you are interested in winning the white house…and this is the prize
the demographics coming out of OHIO
put an end to the idea of any
“momentuem” among blue collar voters and RAY GUN [rr] catholics for him…
it was a complete disaster for OBAMA on this front
he is keeping a brave front and face
but EVERYONE EVEN KENNEDY AND KERRY SAW THE RESULTS AND SO DID ROCKAFELLER
AND SO DID CNN AND OBERMAN
AND EVERYONE”S JAW JUST WENT SLACK…
this is the critical demographic
in real serious big states
obama is NOT WINNING ANYMORE
AND HE WON”T WIN IN TEH FALL AND IF NOT
ITS ANOTHER REPUBLICAN VICTORY AND WE SIMPLY CAN NOT TOLERATE THIS
WHY IS THIS HARD TO UNDERSTAND?
the students and the bright ones among us and you yourselve vanessa are to be praised for being so interested, and son committed..i don’t fault this
and i know he’s brought a lot of people to the table..and that’s all good
but please..please take it from someone who’s been in this game and who has some wisdom
this is MAJOR LEAGUES GIRLS AND BOYS
and you don’t send in an apprentice to
fix your water main break do you?
you send in the real deal and the real deal are those who play in the serious ball games
and Ohio Texas, California and New Jersey and Florida and wva soon and kentucky to another degree
are very very serious critical big players
and the demographics just simply
point to one candidate and one ONLY
and this is THE FACTS OF LIFE IN THE US AT PRESENT
it simply does NOT favor OBAMA AND NO ONE IS SAYING RACE ALONE OR ANY OTHER THING IS A FACTOR
its JUST THE REALITY OF AMERICAN MAJOR PRESIDENTIAL POLITICS
LOOK EVERYONE WAS WAITING TO SEE OF THE POLLS ON ELECTION DAY FOR OHIO AND TEXAS WERE GOING TO BE ACCURATE…
and they simply were NOT
by a very long shot
why do we consider pa’s polls now differently?
for one or two reasons
i can spell it for you
OHIO
TEXAS
the demographics in PA ARE EVEN MORE SERIOUS FOR CLINTON THAN THEY WERE IN OHIO
and this is why the tracking polls are so clear for pa right now
NOT TOO MENTION>>>
EVEN THE PHILA MAYOR IS FOR CLINTON AND RENDELL AS YOU KNOW IS FROM PHILA
and that’s obama’s ONLY HOPE THERE…
its not a pretty picture vanessa
and i imagine you’re as bright and sharp and as probably good looking as
you’re name implies
but…lets face it…
many many smart , politically savy african american and powerfully vibrant progressive political observers understand
hilary is right now…delegate counts as false read as they can be and WERE AND ARE Coming out of OHIO
…the odds on super candidate and has THE MOST POWERFUL POLITICAL MOMENTUEM
simply put…even with the seroiusly diluted…and i mean diluted voter delegate count
OHIO CHANGED EVERYTHING AND FRANKLY I’M NOT SAYING THIS BECAUSE I’M SO FOND OF EVERYTHING IN THIS STATE at all
…i’m not
but its just serious serious major league baseball…ok?
the proof is in the demographics and i just knew the major elite progressives of the national party prior to the OHio voter
were missing “on the ground” what we in Ohio were sensing
even despite the so called “shift in white demographics” coming from virginia and maryland and even wisconsin
those states dont EVEN BEGIN TO COMPARE WITH CAMPAIGNS RUN IN THIS HUGE STATE AND EVERYONE IN THE SERIOUS BIG GAME HUNT KNOWS THE SCORE

The same as Texas. Even though Hillary won Texas, Obama recieved the most delegates.
The delegates are split due to areas with heavy population and democrats who voted the most in previos election.
Cities like Dallas, Austin, and Houston went to Obama. Those cities have much more delegates then the cities/counties Hillary won.
It’s the same as Ohio. The places Obama won had a heavier population and voters who voted in previous election.
The rules are the rules.
Thats why I say Obama should def chose Edwards as VP. The blu collar votes loved Edwards. They were his base.
Can Hillary gain Obama based without Obama???
NO.
And I’m pretty sure Obama would not take an offer as VP.

If Obama can’t win Penn state.., then his president dream will be dimishing…
He has to win or lose at at very close margin… Otherwise, he just proves again and again: he just can’t win big blue states in his own primary… Hillary and his political backers will have much stronger case against his candidancy..
if he can’t win Penn.. The chain reaction is he will lose Michagin and Florida re-vote…
In the end, Obama may lead a narrow delegate count into Convention but lose popular vote… The MO is no longer with Obama…
This likely will happen if he can’t win Penn…

If Sen. Obama is on the ticket, I’m voting Republican. You can put John Edwards, Obama’s minister, or even Obama’s chickens on the ticket with him and I’m not buying it. I’m from North Carolina, and Sen. Edwards didn’t do anything for us here: I don’t expect a whole lot more from him as vice president. As a supporter of Sen. Clinton, let me assure you that Edwards is hardly the asset for which you take him. Nor does one have to be a feminist to support Sen. Clinton, one only needs to lay off the Kool Aid for a bit.

As of right now Obama has the supporter that matter, (she hasn’t gone public but its fairly obvious)Nancy Pelosi.
The highest ranking Democrat in office right now.
Voters will have their voices heard. Just don’t be surprised when it Obama as the nominee.

So far, I don’t McCain can be beaten by Dems yet… The chance for Dems to win W.H. in Nov only 50/50 or less than..
Dems can’t beat McCain on National security or foriegn policies or even international trade.. It is the fact…
Dems can only use the recession of economy as their weapon to shoot down Rep… However, who will be the best candidate to lead country on this?
If Obama is nominee, Rep will crash him on experience even on economy since he has been potrayed as in-experienced on all…
If the advantage of Ohama is to bring our more vores for Dems… Those votes are not relaible and will change any time…(it has been approved in Dems primary too: more late deciders went to Hillary)…
It is hard for Obama to re-claim himself on judgment and integrity because all the coming issues just indicated he is the same as others…”true old politican backing by the same old politicans”…
Too bad…

I’m not a democrat, republican or independent, but as a voter, I will not vote for Obama no matter what now. Frankly he should step down as he and his past have made it only worse.I’ve learned enough to make my choice for Hillary even though she’s not my favorite person. I know what I’m getting with her and don’t care about the personal stuff because with the economy in this shape, I know she and Bill will restore America to surpluses, and that’s all that counts.
All these comments by people like Vanessa who must not have anything thing better to do. Why talk about trivial stuff, who cares? Everyone, unless you’re new to the game like the teenaged Obama cult worshipers, knows that it’s the 4 swing states taht matter-PA,OH,FL,MI-Who ever wins 3 of 4 will win the presidency and that’s the end of it. They chose Hillary for a reason, and I agree with them, and I’ll bet the superdels will to.

you know what? it’s no longer important who has more delegates etc. what’s important is, will hillary or barack have the better chance of picking up those swing voters in those swing states? this is not a racist comment but based upon our ridiculous winner-take-all electoral crap, none of the dems black or white in the southern states matter at all. they might as well not even vote – those states will go republican as they always do. obama cannot change that fact. this race will come down to ohio, florida, pennsylvania, maybe one or two other. now, have you seen the ‘god d*mn america’ clip? picture it in your mind going over and over and over throughout the months of july (esp the fourth of july? oh great!), august, september, october and into election day in november. the average voter in america is a middle-aged white person. do you think that the average voter will vote for barack obama this year? no. do you think that the average voter in the swing state will vote for hillary clinton this year? at worst, maybe. at best, why the hell not, give her a shot, john mccain is more of the same. now, who has the better chance in november 2008 of grabbing the white house back from the republicans, obama or clinton? be honest with yourself and i think you’ll know the answer. plus – he’s young! he’ll be able to distance himself from this and be an even stronger and more wise and experienced candidate 4 or 8 years from now. what think?

Vanessa, Obama moblized the young and AA’s to vote for him. If Hillary becomes the nominee, then perhaps we will lose the young vote. However, we will not lose a big chunk of the AA vote, they will vote for the nominee because they know. They know Hillary and Bill and even if there were some tense times in this campaign, they know the Clintons are on their side. The rest is the meat and potatoes of the Democratic party, the blue collar workers. It’s their party, it’s the party we belong to and they are for Hillary because Barack is a risk and we must win due to the economic threats. It’s not that a lot of people hate him, they want him out because the rist is too great.

If you assume that core Democratic states stay blue….I think Hillary gives us a better shot at Arkansas, Ohio, Florida, Michigan, New Mexico, and Texas.
I think if Obama is the nominee we may pick up some Southern traction maybe South Carolina and Louisiana.
There is nothing silly about the Clinton strategy. It seems very viable to me.
Someone should really analyse the numbers of previous votes. For instance take the total number of Democratic voters in the primary states and see what the increase is. Then project voter turnout for an election. As long as voters don’t switch to McCain in droves we will take back the Whitehouse.

All three candidates are politicians. They all got something they want to hide. BUt with Hillary in the spotlight for so many years, you know all her dirt. You know her bad and her good. Same with McCain. BUt with Obama, no one knows him and unfortunately, his negatives have been brushed aside in this year long love fest. By the time more and more dirt comes out, it will be too late.
Better to choose the better known evil than an unknown evil.
At least you know what she is capable of doing for this country judging by what she’s done for this country already.
With Obama, you’d just be taking that leap of faith and “hoping” he’ll do something great to our country.

Hillary is arguing that the superdelegates should decide on who should be the nominee, regardless of which candidate accumulates the most delegates.
Do people realize that her “overall advantage among superdelegates has come from current and former party officials, reflecting the ties she and her husband have built over the years.” (New York Times).
So she apparently thinks it is fair for her friends and associates to choose the nominee. A person who would argue this way is very hard to imagine as president. It is troubling.

I am an independent. I am voting for Hillary. If Hillary doesn’t win, I will vote for McCain.
I cannot vote for someone when their spiritual foundation is based on hate and victimhood.

Hillary should definitely be the nominee. Obama association with Farrakan and his pastor who disparages and slams our country and Obama and his wife’s unpatriotic actions, no saluting our flag, no flag lapel pin, not being proud of our country till now, ties to Rezko, who is a crook, I don’t call that change. The Republicans can’t wait to run against Obama in the primary. Wake up Democrats!

HRC cannot get the nomination without somehow stealing it. PLEASE do the math. Obama, by superior campaigning, picked up as many delegates at the Iowa convention yesterday as HRC did in winning OHIO! She doesn’t have a clue or a chance. All she can do is try to drive his chances in November into a ditch and hope for 2012.Does she think Obama supporters will ever forgive her for this???

I’m not understanding why people are saying that Obama could only win among blacks. This is a distortion by the media. Someone should research the scandals of the Clintons. They make Obama look like a choir boy. He is still the best to beat McCain. That is why they are creating these problems.

As an “older” female supporting Hillary Clinton, I could easily cross over and vote for McCain. I am a Conservative Democrat so national security is a primary issue for me. I believe Clinton to be strong on that issue whereas Obama is not (go to you tube and type in 52 Obama).
Then there’s the question of the abortion issue. I have been listening to Obama supporters call me a moron menopausal woman for months now. They are right about one thing – menopausal. Us “old ladies” don’t don’t have a vested interest in that issue like a young woman does.
I am pro-choice but would sacrifice that issue for national security. GO HILLARY!

Well probably “independent” is a better description. Either way, you can’t vote for McCain and still consider yourself a democrat.

Out of curiosity I was looking at RCP one on one polls betwee MacCain and potential Democratic nominees Hillary and Obama for New Jersey. In the latest Rasmussen poll for NJ McCain beats Obama by 2% but looses to Hillary by 11%. In the primary Hillary beat Obama by 62% to 36% among White voters. Is Race going to be a factor in November in NJ?

FACT: No candidate can win the presidency without independant voters.
FACT: Independant voters are more highly educated and tend to carefully scrutinize candidates.
FACT: Independant voters are usually moderates.
FACT: Male independants outnumber female independants more than two-to-one.
FACT: Independant voters, especially males, do not like Hillary Clinton, because we view her as devisive and polarizing.
FACT: If Hillary Clinton takes the Democratic nomination, John McCain will be the next President of the United States.
It’s up to you Democrats. Back a winner or waste your time.

Neither of these Inexperienced
Lightweights will beat McCain!
He will wipe the floor with either
Obama or Clinton in the debates and
Clean their Clocks in the General
Election! Get Real!

I am a black, 42yo Southern gal (Louisiana), and registered independant who has never been an Obama fan. While I am proud of the fact that a black man can be considered as a viable candidate, I look at the ENTIRE package when deciding who to cast my vote for. Obama reminds me too much of George Bush when he was running for office – lots of rhetoric, lots of calls for change, charisma, and yet nothing to back it up. He’s GWB in liberal clothing. I would be afraid to leave our national security in the hands of another president needing on the job training and with so little experience. I am convinced the reason that Nancy Pelosi and the Dem establishment want him is because he can be molded to their will.
I am also very distressed about the video of his pastor. My dad is the same age as his pastor and is not this angry! I also take issue with the fact that he calls any black person who doesn’t agree with him ‘Uncle Toms’. Yes, racism exists – to deny this fact is to effectively have your head in the sand. As someone who is raising a biracial child I find his comments AS offensive as any I have heard from white supremacists – just on the other side of the fence.
If not, Hillary then this independant voter will be voting for John McCain.

Obama supports wont vote for Mc Cain. They have NOTHING in common with Mc Cain. Only the FAR LEFT supports Obama now.
Clinton supporters see Mc Cain as an actual candidate worth voting for.
The new truth about Obama and his church for the last 20 years has turned the clinton voters right into Mc Cains arms if they INSIST on promoting Obama anyways.
He is toast.

A good survey question for the pollsters to ask will be: Who will you vote for if Hillary Clinton (Barack Obama) loses the Democratic nomination, Barack Obama (Hillary Clinton) or John McCain? This is a good question for folks in this Comments page, too. What do you think people?! Respond!

appalachian blue i just got to say, I appreciate your way with words. I really do. And, your analysis too.

Obama… Obama… Obama… is he the ONLY candidate left in this presidential race??? He sure is getting a LOT of FREE media exposure. How come we haven’t heard Hillary clamoring for EQUAL time??? Com’on Hillary, turn UP the heat on this LIGHTWEIGHT and demand your equal time! I want to see more democratic carnage. And as the democrats annihilate each other, John McKennedy is quietly preparing his TRANSITION team. I LOVE IT!