The Politics of Hope

She is vile.

Hillary will burn the house down before she lets Obama win. There is no price to high for the Democratic Party or the for the Nation, for that matter, to pay to ensure her ascendency.
16 years of culture war are not enough, Hillary demands 8 more year. And she’ll do anything and say anything to wage it.
Burn Baby Burn

Hillary’s campaign is one of hate.

There cannot be a mail vote in Florida for a nominating contest: see state statute below
Florida Election Law on Mail Ballot Elections101.6102 Mail ballot elections; limitations.–
(1)(a) An election may be conducted by mail ballot if:
1. The election is a referendum election at which all or a portion of the qualified electors of one of the following subdivisions of government are the only electors eligible to vote:
a. Counties;
b. Cities;
c. School districts covering no more than one county; or
d. Special districts;
2. The governing body responsible for calling the election and the supervisor of elections responsible for the conduct of the election authorize the use of mail ballots for the election; and
3. The Secretary of State approves a written plan for the conduct of the election, which shall include a written timetable for the conduct of the election, submitted by the supervisor of elections.
(b) In addition, an annexation referendum which includes only qualified electors of one county may also be voted on by mail ballot election.
(2) The following elections may not be conducted by mail ballot:
(a) An election at which any candidate is nominated, elected, retained, or recalled; or
(b) An election held on the same date as another election, other than a mail ballot election, in which the qualified electors of that political subdivision are eligible to cast ballots.
(3) The supervisor of elections shall be responsible for the conduct of any election held under ss. 101.6101-101.6107.
(4) The costs of a mail ballot election shall be borne by the jurisdiction initiating the calling of the election, unless otherwise provided by law.
(5) Nothing in this section shall be construed to prohibit the use of a mail ballot election in a municipal annexation referendum requiring separate vote of the registered electors of the annexing municipality and of the area proposed to be annexed. If a mail ballot election is authorized for a municipal annexation referendum, the provisions of ss. 101.6101-101.6107 shall control over any conflicting provisions of s. 171.0413.

How can anyone say Hillary is FULLY vetted? Absurd. I give the Clintons two months tops, if THEY get elected, before the first of many new scandals hit. We are way over due for one.

Curious- did reject and denounce the audience memebers statement? Why is she so Hill bent our hurting our chance of getting in the White House? If she cared at all this would be over and Obama would be our nominee.

Jake I was waiting for you to post a topic on Obama memo on Clinton foriegn experience claim. The memo clearly outlined Hillary claim of foriegn experience to be false. She did not even hold a security clearance during Bills presidency.
That should be a talking point..

rovian/clintonian, lying, swiftboat attacks from the nasty deceitful hillary.
She should be claiming naftagate as her own as it was HER campaign that did this damage, no matter how much spin they spew!
Everytime Obama responds to her dishonesty, hillary supporters consistently accuse of him of playing the race card. More lies, and that is the only way she continues to try to win. She will be destroyed, as God does not like ugly!

Hilllary is lying about the Canadian “NAFTA” issue, as the Canadian government has come out in full press that it was CLINTON’S rep that told them her “NAFTA” speak was not sincere! Our press, however has chosen to bury this declaration!
Also, Obama has had and continues to have the correct stance on Iraq, we did not and do not belong there!
Stop her twisting of facts in the “prevail at all costs” tactics!

Hillary’s just desperately trying to prove how divisive she can really be. Ferraro was backing her up with her “partisanshp! yes!” speech.
I’m reminded of the Dr Who episode where the aliens compress themselves into politician disguises.
‘President Obama’ is sounding better and better.

Because the DNC is afraid of Hillary and Bill. They created this election for Hillary and just can’t believe it is slipping away.
Who wins 11-0 and the party dont rally around that candidate ? Only the DNC
They have killed the ethusiasm.

I can see why she has so many admirers… her audacity is stunning! Sort of like Nero burning Rome… not a good thing but spectacular.
While I would never vote for her… I must admit she can fight and she doesn’t pull any punches. Last weekend, Obama rejected her joint ticket suggestion… so now it’s take no prisoners and make sure to cripple him in the eyes of the Super Delegates! Her next step is to suggest an Edwards VP to get his votes in Penn.
HRC – a raised bic lighter, just for you.

“I guess Clinton enjoys the fact that it was she who made voter to hate her future running mate, if she really plans to have Obama as her VP.”
You have that all wrong. Many Clinton supporters are sick of Obama and his nasty hateful supporters. We support the best candidate in November. If Clinton is not the nominee then that candidate will be McCain. That’s how it is when you love your country and am proud of it. You vote for the best person for the job.

Way to Go Hillary!!! She’s finally telling the truth about what obama is about = doubletalk What is his word? bamboozle, hoodwink, the okedoke he’s living by everyone of those.

ONE THING I KNOW. DEMOCRATS ARE NOT GOING TO CONTROLL THE WHITE HOUSE COME JANUARY 2009

Hillary is totally distorting Senator Obama’s position on the Iraq withdrawal. He said specifically that “he’d be just as cautious in getting us out as we were careless in getting in.” Powers was echoing the theme but in different terms. Senator Clinton is the candidate of duplicity. Her campaign contacted the Canadian embassy with a wink on NAFTA which she never opposed until she decided to run for office. The irony of the Ferraro comments is that Senator Clinton has scoundered a huge advanatage by poorly managing her campaign. She has failed to lock up the nomination dispite the fact that the electorate has been made up of women to the tune of 57%. This just goes to show that she is unelectable when she faces the entire nation especially after she is done breaking the democratic party. Regardless of the happy face all the party hacks try to put on it.

Yes Toby. Actually he is more Quad-faced, ( Is that a real term?)
He is all things to all people. He is a magician. He can hypnotize and mesmerize, and makes people fantasize, but in the end, it is just a dog and pony show. All smoke and mirrors. I am in the Entertainment business, and he is possible one of the best entertainers and actors I have ever seen. As far as being President of the United States. Not even close.

it’s just pathetic that this negative crap is working. she has shown to be just nasty as hell, and people say that she is a fighter. but it’s not a fight… it’s an attack, just because she is losing. so… someone chooses your opponent, therefore you have to tear him down. rather than standing on her record, she rips into everyone else around her.
it reminds me of bush/cheney, any time someone disagrees, they are unpatriotic and love terrorists.
the worst part is the hypocrisy. absolute shameless hypocrisy. say and do anything to destroy the other person, then claim to be attacked when they respond. demand that the other side disclose documentation yet stonewall at every turn. claim that the other side is consorting with felons, yet ignore a public life riddled with scandal.
i honestly can’t understand how someone can listen to this stuff and still support her.

Now we know that it is Obama who will say anything and do anything to get elected.

sure chasseur, another weak attempt to smear Obama….you guys are too much!

Obama is now on the front of the National Enquirer its bad its really bad

I cannot for the life of me understand why all of the Obama worshipers can only look at him thru kaleidescope eyes.
No matter what is found out, their very first line of defense is, but…look what Hillary did…
Obama is a slick, dirty Chicago politician, yet, time after time upon presentation of hard facts and evidence. His worshipers answers, Well, he’s still better than Hillary.
Obama’s campaign of Hope, trust, and change are just rhetoric. He can and does play as down and dirty as the rest of the politicians.

Are you surprised? She keeps calling for that kind of hate, she’s bound to get it.

Hillary Clinton always cites her trip to Bosnia as foreign policy experience. Well Sinbad speaks on his experience with Clinton during their trip to Bosnia.
“In an interview with the Sleuth Monday, he said the “scariest” part of the trip was wondering where he’d eat next. “I think the only ‘red-phone’ moment was: ‘Do we eat here or at the next place.’”
Washington Post The Sleuth 3/11/08
Hillary/Sinbad Ready to Eat from Day One..
Her foreign policy “experience” is bull and Sinbad called her out on it.. She is done..

Oprah gave us Dr. Phil. There is no way she has flawed judgment. She *must* be right on Senator Obama.

As the hatred grows between the Clinton and Obama camps, the Democrats chances of gaining the White House diminishes. *sigh*

I won’t agree that the Vote for YES by 77 senators on 2002 WAS WRONG… 77 US Senators Vote yes to protect Americans at all costs without gambling and guessing and taking no chance of another 9-11…. What if it was true there was mass destruction weapon in Iraq, what if it was true from all intelligences…. Don’t turn the failure of Bush’s execution to accuse the good wishes of majority US Senators… Shame on someone who liked to gamble people’s life…

The facts of this article are evidence that Hillary is driving a wedge in the democratic party so deep that we, as democrats, are in danger of not being able to recover in time for the Nov. election.
SUPERDELEGATES, take note! And immediately move your support to Obama before this impending train wreck, which is being driven by win-at-all-costs-Hillary. Voice your support of Obama today and end this thing. (and is anyone surprised that Hillary would do this? She is DIVISIVE. She is POLARIZING. She is BAD, BAD, BAD!)
It’s our only hope. Obama today. Or McCain tomorrow.

Wayne: Have you went to Senator Obama’s campaigning? Did the media try to scrutinize what happened there under microscope?

Wanye, the super delegates are under no obligation to blindly throw their support behind Obama. I could say the exact same thing, that Mr. Obama is the one who is destroying the democratic party. It all depends upon your perspective and who you support. No ones is owed this nomination. Neither Hillary or Obama, this fight will go down to the convention, and if it weakens our party instead of strengthening it, we have no business with a democratic president in 2009 .

Obama stir up hatred for Clinton?? She was a polarizing figure well before this nomination process started. She is only attracting more foes with HER behavior. She has completely lost my respect–and my vote.

NoBillary: Your statement like this “…In truth, Senator Obama has much more foreign policy experience than either Bill Clinton or Ronald Reagan had when they were elected…” is simply a joke, I think even Senator Obama himself will have to disagree.

Clinton keeps saying that Obama is “all talk.” It’s true, he does talk about his policy positions. All the time. And what does Clinton talk about? Obama.
Maybe she should start talking about her own policy initiatives for a change. I’m beginning to think that Clinton is the only real “Obamaniac.” Can she stop talking about him for just a day? We get the message, Hillary: Obama is a childlike cult-leading friend to slumlords who isn’t even qualified to answer a phone, and his supporters are naive and idiotic to approve of a secretly pro-life Muslim extremist. We all understand your campaign’s position – Obama is the devil.
So Senator Clinton, why not tell us a little bit about yourself for once?

I don’t really understand how Senator Obama continues to campaign on a platform of being against the war. He didn’t have the awesome responsibility to vote against it OR for it.
Hillary spoke on the Senate floor saying “This is a very difficult vote. This is probably the hardest decision I have ever had to make…A vote for it is not a vote to rush to war; it is a vote that puts awesome responsibility in the hands of our President and we say to him – use these powers wisely and as a last resort.”
She came from a deeply wounded state from the attacks of 9/11 and as such, was compelled to react to the needs of her constituents: “In balancing the risks of action versus inaction, I think New Yorkers who have gone through the fires of hell may be more attuned to the risk of not acting. I know that I am.”
Hindsight is 20/20. It was also at a time when America was hurt and George W. Bush was enjoying some of his highest approval ratings ever (remember those days?).
I think Senator Obama and his supporters are doing this country a great disservice by diminishing her experience with his continued negative attacks on this issue. I also don’t understand how he can continue to accept the support of folks like Senators Kerry, Kennedy, Rockefeller and Dodd because if Hillary had poor judgment by supporting the war, then surely so do these men. It just doesn’t make sense that he wants it both ways.

Geevill: Wonder what mean and nasty things things they will say about the people of PA. Stupid groundhog lovers? It appears that if working class voters don’t vote for him it is because according to Ms. Powers they had the wool pulled over their eyes by that mean ole’ Hillary. Maybe they were smart enough not to vote for someone who says that he is different than other politicians and turns around and says one thing and does another right before the election. Seems like the people of Ohio got it Right!

Can Obama lead the country? He just listens to his advisers to tell what to do… If he can be a president, who can’t? Not another Dems Bush, controled by Cheney (Kerry this time)..

Geevil
Q: What’s the first thing that Hillary will do after she answers the phone at 3am?
A: She’ll quickly get Sheryl Crow and/or Sinbad on the other line for some wise counsel. Yes she can!

Obamadittes have been brainwashed and programmed. Just like they have been as their, Grand Pooh Bah said “You’ve been hoodwinked, bamboozled, led astray, run amok”
I wished someone in PA would play the National Anthem just to see if he can Put his hand on his heart?
No one better not say unkind things about Ohio votes.
We are Adults, we do not let anyone put a ring in our nose and lead us around.
We voted for America!

Obama’s adviser defends the murderer of a US solidier!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please let people know.

Man, you Obama haters out in full force today.
What’s the matter? National polling numbers coming out again? That ALWAYS seems to put you folks in a snit.
I have to hand it to Hillary and her supporters. When it comes to hate mongering, offensive rhetoric, and deception, no one can hold them a light to run by.
If you don’t like something or do something wrong, you just smear it with lies until whatever was really there is so covered it takes a lot of digging to find it. A lot of digging and about $50 million….
OH, YEAH, America really deserves more of this….I mean whatever will high prices lawyers do if we don’t have another Clinton administration?

Last night at Obama’s rally in Jackson, he blamed Clinton for the picture of him dressed in local African garb. Yet at the last debate, he dismissed this notion and accepted Clinton’s word. Mississippi has the largest percentage of African-American voters of any state and this is an obvious racial play. Can you say “race card”. It’s not hard to see that Obama is again utilizing something he does not believe to get votes. And the media again focuses on poor Obama who is constantly suffering from “Hillary attacks” while he so gentlemanly attempts to “pushback”.

Seriously, given their history why does anybody expect anything different from the Clintons? About time for her to start crying to the media again…Do you see a pattern?

Politics = Dirty.
That’s the way it goes and no matter what sort of movement Senator Obama wants to start to change that (a new kind of politics, hope, etc.), it is naive. Completely admirable, but naive. Politics is what makes the world goes around and when in Rome, do as the Romans do.
Senator Clinton is a known quantity and whereas some may want to chalk that up to only dirty politics and scandals, we must remember that both candidates are about 95% the same on the critical issues facing our nation: the economy, withdraw from Iraq, health care, immigration reform, lifting the middle class, etc.
If you want to base your decision on that 5% margin, then you should definitely do so. That is what makes this country so great–freedom to choose. If you are making a decision based on risk, however, be careful what you ask for. Too much is at stake to risk anything.

It is amazing how the hardcore Obama cultists gloss right over the facts, whether it is the mixed message on NAFTA or Iraq. I would really like to see Sen. Obama be an effective U.S. Senator before he becomes president. He’s got chairmanships, he has a lot of power already. I would like to see him effectively use what he has before we hand over the entire executive branch to him. There’s a lot of ambition there but I don’t see any results yet.

Let’s see, Hillary wants the voters in Florida and Michigan to have a voice. (Why should that be construed as negative?)
She has expressed an interest in a joint ticket. (How is that polarizing or fracturing the party?)
Obama and his advisors have no one but themselves to blame now that Hillary can point out some real differences between what Obama says, and what his advisors say he really means.
It is fair game. But I don’t have enough hankies for the Obama supporters who fret when the going gets tough, rather than bucking up.
Last comment. The posts upthread commenting on Hillary’s foreign affairs experience by country is hysterical. The reason that the Obama campaign is focusing on Hillary is because they have NOTHING quite so in-depth to write about Obama.
I’m not sure that’s going to have a lot of traction with the voters of Pennsylvania. But I do know that some have read the unkind comments the campaign have made about the voters of Ohio.

Ohio Native,
What is truly funny is the Obamma adviser who wrote the critque of Hillary’s expereicne by Country is a defense attorney who is representing the Panamanian murderer of US Serviceman Zak Hernandez. His prior clients include John Hinkley, former boss Ted Kennedy (William Kennedy Smith rape trial), Cuban father of Elian Gonzalez.
Another winner.

Yeah, yeah, GWB gave us hope to change washington in 2000 since he was an outsider and Gore was the insider.

It is sad to see the nation divided between the Republicans and the Democrats and then doubly sad to see the democrats divide on Clinton-Obama.
Hilary is more experienced, and she didn’t cave under the tremendous negativity that political underhandedness and public scrutiny laid on her.
Public comments on NPR last week captioned Democratic supporters going for 16 years on Clinton-Obama.
This sounds like a WIN WIN to me,
We get Clinton’s experience and tenacity combines with Obama’s idealism and finesse. Obama has a chance to become an experienced world leader as VP to the most politically experienced woman, and America, the land of ‘e pluribus unum’ can demonstrate the strength of our diversity, expressed as both genders and multiple ethnicities.
Let’s look far ahead to a bright future, lets not be short sighted. Let’s unite the genders and ethnicities. Let us not fall prey to the polictical divisiveness.

Joris : The number of caucuses he won actually shadow his electability in general election. In Texas, he won 10% in caucus but lost 3-4% in primary. In Washington, he won a stunning 37% in caucus, but only won 4% in primary. Now, if you redo the math again, you will find Senator Obama actually lost the popular vote by a large margin.

Wow…that’s all I can say…wow.
Do the people who support Sen Clinton want to open up such a negative image before going against McCain…a war hero.
I just don’t understand a woman who has lists…who throws stones …and is upset when someone calls her a monster…and asks for that person to be fired…turns around and runs a campaign like this.
There were what 5 witnesses to Brodie saying her campaign called before Obama’s.
The whole issue with the Irish resolution that she claimed in her foreign policy…
Her “I am fighting for the Florida voters” when she signed a deal that dissed those Florida voters…and now points her fingers at the other candidates who did
…because SHE is the President.
What is wrong with you people who think THIS is the person we want as our President…ugh.
…if she keeps this up for two more days…that is it for me…
She needs to back off…
or I am taking some time off to start asking about the lists…LISTS…that everyone on her side gets mad if they are alluded to. She is so selfish
It’s all coming out…Tyson and her husband the TAX Record discovery
Her brother the 400k that he had to return
The white water issues…

All of you Sen. Clinton supporters, McCain supporters, Sen Obama…need to go to the Library of Congrss site and start looking at the real accomplishments of these people…aaargh…solutions…aaargh
Go look at what each of them accomplished in the Senate last year… it will blow you away at how mmany bills etc…Obama put forth successfully into the process…and how many Sen Clinton worked on…and tell me who would be coming up with more solutions…
Go…I promise you you’ll find your answers in the facts. I think the Daily Kos even lists them on his site…because there is no comparison as to who has the most with the most reaching over the aisle.
If you weren’t all stuck in this thought proces from the arguments with the republicans over the past 7-8 years about the Clintons you would learn with just a little scratch at the surface that she has been there six years and when you look at what Obama did last year alone…
Just go to the Library of Congress and see for yourself.

dl: Again? Sorry I read about his accomplishments over and over here and everywhere, and each time I would just tell the person who posted such things to stop because such kind of posts only would do more harms than goods to your candidate. Let’s see: Authored and co-authored nearly 600 bills within one year? Does it mean 2-3 bills per day? How much had he spent on each bill? How much thoughts had he put on each bill? How much energy and time will he spend on follow-up to make sure those bills indeed work? Even more troubling, how seriously has he been taking his job? which is, indeed an important. Is it because bills are just bills like words are just words? You really should get a clue about who you are supporting.

I am sorry do you know what Hillary did on her committees? Do you know how involved she was with her bills?
and what were her successes…
my reference looks at recorded facts. What i know is Hillary is throwing things out like “I was involved with the Irish Peace Accord” …then the Nobel guy comes out and says…that’s not true…and she is being disingenuous at best.
What I know is he was minor on most of those… but loook there are 15 or so significant pieces of legislature and movement compared to her what 6?
I don’t know everything about my candidate…no one does… and I am pretty sure you don’t.

There are Republicans whose job it is – whose work it is – who specialize in -researching, and scheming, and plotting – to find any and all weakenesses of their opponents. They then exploit and strategically exaggerate those weaknesses, even going so far as to spread rumours and lies.
If you think they weren’t going to mention that Barack had been voted the most liberal Senator, and that’s he’s only been in the national Senate 3 years, and that he was against the war, etc., you are incredibly naive.
It will be their first order of business in ads to portray him as an ‘inexperienced anti-war liberal,’ and there will be lots more smears about possible Muslim ties. You’ve already seen the beginning of it. John McCain won’t condone it. But there are many others in the Republican party who will terrified of Obama, and they will truly say anything.
The Clinton campaign has raised important and legitimate questions and issues to consider when selecting a commander in Chief. While like any campaign, they can’t control all their supporters, I have seen the most hideous lies and exaggerations about Hillary and the Clintons from Obama supporters.
The Republicans months ago, said they would “eviscerate” whoever the Democratic candidate is. How do you think they “eviscerate” (=disembowel) people? With candy and flowers?
They have tried to “eviscerate” the Clintons before. They are the source of all that negative stuff out there. The Clintons have been mostly loved by the Democratic party, because of all their hard work, and accomplishments.
But the Republicans haven’t gotten their chance to try and “eviscerate” Barack yet, but if they get the chance to – they will. They will blow you away will what they will do. And his biggest problem is he doesn’t have enough of a national record to prove that they’re wrong.
I say this as a devoted democrat who has seen this many times in the Republican strategies, and I care. I want a Democrat to win. I don’t think it looks good for Barack in a general.
Hillary has been “eviscerated,” it would really just be more of the same.
Anotherwords, they couldn’t weaken her more. She has more of a proven national record.
Although they won’t admit it, I actually think there are many Republicans who would like the Clintons to get us out of deficit and recession and into record surplus and prosperity, again. Like Bill’s administration did.

Sarah
Lotta work on that post.

Considering Clinton’s chief economic advisor isn’t even an actual economist….

And Clinton’s campaign didn’t talk to the Canadians about NAFTA???
Oops, that’s right, mainstream media didn’t bother to give that story the same coverage!
As to those who say an Obama-Clinton ticket is the way, the 90% of us Obama supporters who would have voted for Hillary before if push came to shove are now going for Nader as Plan B. (Only 10% of us would have chosen McCain as Plan B.) Hillary Clinton is progressively alienating Obama supporters and, especially, blacks. I, and I know of others who feel the same way, would no longer support and Obama-Clinton ticket. We also find it ridiculous that she would suggest Obama get on her ticket when he is leading (the audacity of audacity, as someone wrote)! And that she would do this even as her campaign continues its smear tactics (the noncommital “Obama’s not a Muslim,” the Republican style 3 a.m. attack, and Ferraro). JUST SAY NO TO A TICKET THAT HAS HILLARY CLINTON’S NAME ON IT. If we cannot get Obama, then we must take Nader. These are the only progressives on the table.
As for the more than 25% of Clinton supporters who would elect McCain as their second choice (since it is becoming clear that they are on the same team), rather than Obama, you may get your second choice just by electing Hillary Clinton.

geevill: you forgot Greg Craig’s most important client again – President Bill Clinton, during his impeachment proceedings.