Mar 31, 2008 2:34pm

Who’s Scrubbing the Trinity United Church of Christ Website?

The website for Sen. Barack Obama’s church — Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago — not long ago described the "Black Value System" in the "About Us" section of its website.

And it used to provide a link to the Trumpet Magazine that once gave an award to Louis Farrakhan — a magazine published by Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s daughter.

No longer.

You can see the old webpage, including both the Black Value System and a link to Trumpet HERE

Interestingly, Trumpet used to have a web presence and now it doesn’t seem to.

Here’s the Google cache of the Trumpet Magazine heralding Louis Farrakhan ("When Minister Farrakhan speaks, Black America listens,” says the Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright,likening the Minister’s influence to the E. F. Hutton commercials of old. “Everybody may not agree with him, but they listen…Minister Farrakhan will be remembered as one of the 20th and 21st century giants of the African American religious experience.")

Through a web archive search I also found THIS ARTICLE from the September 2005 Trumpet, in which Rev. Wright wrote: "Conservative fanatics line up on the side of al-Qaeda or they line up behind George Bush. Both are terrorists! Both believe that war is the answer. Both believe in murdering innocent people…"

Who’s scrubbing the web to sanitize this story?
- jpt

User Comments

I can’t imagin.

Posted by: Tina D | March 31, 2008, 2:37 pm 2:37 pm

the link to the Google cache of the Trumpet Magazine heralding Louis Farrakhan is already gone….

Posted by: al | March 31, 2008, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm

I saved a few Trumpets as PDFs a few weeks ago.

Posted by: al | March 31, 2008, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm

jake, your google cached link is written incorrectly, that is why it doesn’t work. if you clean it up, it works. you need to repost it in correct format.

Posted by: al | March 31, 2008, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm

Well Jake, if you don’t know you need to find out or send Brian Ross. Sounds like a vast left-wing conspiracy to me.
;-)
This is too much like the Woody Allen movie where the man caught with his mistress in bed keeps saying to his wife “What woman?” until the mistress makes the bed, gets dressed and gets out out of the room, then when he repeats the question, the dazed wife asks him what he wants for breakfast.
Everyone likes a good movie. Pass the popcorn? Oops. Can’t afford the popcorn. Can’t afford the movie either.

Posted by: len | March 31, 2008, 2:47 pm 2:47 pm

Must be a SLOOOOOOOOWWWW news day.
Digging in the “cache” for news. This whole “pastor” thing is stale, move on people nothing to see… The media just “dropped” HRC’s “sniper” story.
We have video of that, but “we” keep comming back to the “pastor” issue. I wonder why??? Makes you say…hmmmm…

Posted by: MJG | March 31, 2008, 2:51 pm 2:51 pm

Of course…Senator Leahy is scrubbing the TUCC website!!!!

Posted by: MattOhio | March 31, 2008, 2:52 pm 2:52 pm

Hey len,
If you want to see a “good” moive check out HRC’s “sniper” video on the “Internets”. Its got an imaginative script. I give it 3 snaps and pinocchio. The acting is great.
MJG

Posted by: MJG | March 31, 2008, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm

The liberal media is intent on making sure Obama wins the nomination.
This church changing its website is just ridiculous. But hey, who in the liberal media is going to MOCK Obama for it?
nobody.
We have no vote folks. We have no choice. Its OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA no matter what.
The CORRUPT liberal media says so.

Posted by: tomdavie | March 31, 2008, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm

Len, US Veteran, anyone,
What about HRC’s “bold face sniper lie”, anyone….anyone…..Bueller…
hmmmm……

Posted by: MJG | March 31, 2008, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm

How many faces does this guy have? What will be next?

Posted by: ken | March 31, 2008, 3:00 pm 3:00 pm

HOW IS WHAT HE SAID ABOUT CONSERVATIVE FANNATICS NOT THE BOLD TRUTH?

Posted by: James | March 31, 2008, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm

Come on now. The big broom is trying to sweep this all clean until the election. Obama did his best to rush Wright into retirement but the trouble still popped up. I understand the church is now in the process of building a deluxe Chicago townhouse for Wright to reside in during his “retirement” years as extra incentive to go quietly and keep quiet until November.

Posted by: hopesprings52 | March 31, 2008, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm

Do I need to remind everyone that Obama placed Reverend Wright on Obama’s campaign after Obama knew that the guy was too incendiary to represent Obama’s campaign. What does this say about his judgement?
========================================
Trivia Question:
Which presidential candidate will not
lift a finger to ensure that Florida and Michigan voters are not disenfranchised?
Clue:
His last name rhymes with the Dalai Lama.

Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | March 31, 2008, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm

Maybe the church had enough of being analyzed like criminals by the media and removed it.
Maybe all this sound and fury about nothing is distracting from the positive ministries they were running successfully before the media began its witch hunt for some dirt on Senator Obama.
After months of complaining about the website, now it is news when they change it to?
Must be a slow news day.

Posted by: Nobody's fool | March 31, 2008, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm

Answer: Barack Obama and David Axelrod!
Now, who looks even more guilty!

Posted by: Sean W | March 31, 2008, 3:08 pm 3:08 pm

Most likely TUCC will go underground until and if Obama is elected, then the links will reappear and so will the trail to the White House. Meanwhile the Democratic base will take a financial beating for another four years.

Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | March 31, 2008, 3:10 pm 3:10 pm

I don’t care about Trinity’s web site! Rev. Wright is not running for President!
All I care about is can Obama scrub this country clean of the dirty stain George Bush has mired us in for 8 years!!!
Obama ’08

Posted by: J.L. | March 31, 2008, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm

Obama is a fraud.
Wake up people!!

Posted by: Lin | March 31, 2008, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm

The Chuch has a new and young pastor, who has an orientation that clearly differs from Rev. Wright. Most adjustments to the site I guess will be the initiative of the new preacher, Rev. Otis Moss.

Posted by: Trent | March 31, 2008, 3:12 pm 3:12 pm

Uh, folks.
Wright was replaced just the other day as head of that church. New leadership. Perhaps others — including the “new boss” — were put off by what he said as well. The idea that Obama is “behind the scrubbing” strikes me as a little paranoid and overly-conspiratorial.

Posted by: Ken A | March 31, 2008, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm

Seems kind of stupid unless there was still some bad stuff on there we hadn’t already seen. No one can really buy the argument that things are really different at the church with the new pastor after hearing his inspiring “lynching” sermon on Easter and his interview on NPR where he refused to rebut conspiracy theories which hurt only the Black community itself. These theories keep him and Meeks in power beacuse they have people swear “allegiance” to them. (See Black Values system)

Posted by: DM | March 31, 2008, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm

They can scrub whatever website they want. The damage has been done. Whether or not Senator Obama is able to perpetrate this scam on democratic Super Delegates remains to be seen, but the Republicans have this info and will ride it to the White House in November if he is the nominee.
Every time Sen. Obama speaks of Rev. Wright, his answer changes — positively pathological.
Th smart money’s on Hillary ’08.

Posted by: Annagain | March 31, 2008, 3:15 pm 3:15 pm

Trinity’s new pastor thinks just like the old one.
or did you miss the lynching sermon on Easter?

Posted by: Destini | March 31, 2008, 3:16 pm 3:16 pm

I would never vote for either democratic candidate. That said, I do believe Clinton is the victim of far left politicians — mostly, the elite east coast liberal establishment. There’s no doubt Obama is more to the left and less to the center than Clinton.
Then, there’s the media. It’s well known that they lean far to the left — that, by their own admission. I can’t see how anyone who reads the papers or listens to CNN or NBC could possibly believe Hillary is getting a square deal.
So, Hillary will probably loose. The left is betting her followers will be bound to the party enough that they’ll rally around Obama. I don’t think that will happen. I think there will be ample resentment about how the media and special interest manipulated the coverage and, consequently, the election.
I’m laughing all the way to the polls!

Posted by: Surelock Homes | March 31, 2008, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm

Pasting the terms: RNA Trinty Church Wright Farrakhan into a Google search will give you “all”.
Names, organizations, mantras, connections one to the other, etc.

Posted by: MC | March 31, 2008, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm

Come on now. The big broom is trying to sweep this all clean until the election. Obama did his best to rush Wright into retirement but the trouble still popped up. I understand the church is now in the process of building a deluxe Chicago townhouse for Wright to reside in during his “retirement” years as extra incentive to go quietly and keep quiet until November.
The Trinity Church has already built and payed for a million dollar mansion in Tinley Park, IL, a suburb of Chicago. It’s huge and has all the bells and whistles. This place could easily fit 5 poor families in Hyde Park where Trinity Church is. Instead of giving the money to the needy black community, they chose to let their former rasist pastor live in the lap of luxury.

Posted by: Mellie | March 31, 2008, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm

Jake,
You missed the first “Scrubbing”, which occured back in late December or early January. Prior to the first “scrubbing”, TUCC requested that it’s members make a “Pledge of Allegiance” to Africa. Which begs the question…..What, if any, allegiance do the TUCC members have to The United States of America? Now we know why Barack won’t show much in the way of patriotism, he’s pledged his allegiance elsewhere I suspect.

Posted by: SadStateOfAffairs | March 31, 2008, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm

Here’s the scoop on Wright’s palatial retirement home. God D America indeed!
Church pays for with $10 million line of credit…
Obama’s Former Pastor Getting $1.6M Home in Retirement
by FOXNews.com
Thursday, March 27, 2008
The four- bedroom, 10,000-plus square foot home that Trinity United Church of Christ is building for Reverend Jeremiah Wright.
By Jeff Goldblatt
This was supposed to be the week that the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. returned to the pulpit to preach for the first time since his anti-American sermons generated nationwide outrage and drew condemnation from his longtime parishioner, Barack Obama.
But, citing security concerns, Wright canceled his speaking engagements in Florida and Texas. A spokeswoman at his former church in Chicago said his schedule is pending.
A two-week FOX News investigation, however, has uncovered where Wright will be spending a good deal of his time in retirement, and it is a far cry from the impoverished Chicago streets where the preacher led his ministry for 36 years.

Posted by: hopesprings52 | March 31, 2008, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm

Obama knows nothing that goes on in his 20-year church with his good buddy Pastor, yet he is an expert on one comment by Imus he didn’t even hear himself.

Posted by: geevill | March 31, 2008, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm

A lot of Obama scrubbing going on out there….
Here’s one the Obama camp needs to scrub:
“In the Muslim school, the teacher wrote to tell my mother that I made faces during Koranic studies,” Obama wrote in Dreams From My Father.
Obama seems to be smearing Obama on the Muslim issue.
But, scrub, scrub, scrub….
“Barack Never Attended a Muslim School” –
Perhaps somebody out there practicing journalism would be good. Instead of a bunch of scrubbers.

Posted by: Bob Boardman | March 31, 2008, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm

Scrubbing the Trinity Church web-site could be funny if it wasn’t so scary.
If Obama and church leaders thought their beliefs to be so mainstream, why are they editing out portions of those beliefs? It’s funny though that they think that people are ready to “turn the page”. We’re not.

Posted by: s. valenti | March 31, 2008, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm

It could also be called white-washing, years ago white-washing was a cheap way to paint, the poor(couldn’t afford paint) white-washed their houses even the bottom trunk of trees would be white-washed, yep, white-wash would cover anything. The only bad thing about a white-wash job was you had to keep the white-wash going, or eventually it would “WASH” off.

Posted by: Kudzu | March 31, 2008, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm

Obama should drop out of the race immediately.

Posted by: DMK | March 31, 2008, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm

This church site is becoming more like obama the worm (what obama really meant). It will probally magically appear later on with all new power words an everything will be o.k.

Posted by: toby | March 31, 2008, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm

hILLARY IS BAD! OBAMA IS WORSE! HIS FOLLOWERS ARE FOR THE MOST IDIOTS WHO DON’T HAVE A CLUE WHAT A CONSERVATIVE IS.

Posted by: HAVINGMOREFUNTHANAHUMANSHOULDHAVE | March 31, 2008, 3:27 pm 3:27 pm

A lot has disappeared from the web on obama.
All his speeches at all the churches he campaigned at most can’t be found anymore.
Major time cover up.
Is Obama cleaning up his Image lol
He is still a liar

Posted by: seah | March 31, 2008, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm

Obama shouldn’t drop out. If for no other reason than the sheer entertainment value of watching him unravel. The Wright and Rezko players are still very much a part of his ultimate agenda. Hopefully it will discourage future “pretenders” to the throne from entering politics and wasting everyone’s time because ultimately they will be exposed.

Posted by: Bill Elliott | March 31, 2008, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm

Again people including (Jack Tapper) if you dig deeper into the Clinton’s affiliates, past and present you might find something worth reporting on.
Even though the Media and Clinton tried to tear him apart he’s still standing tall.
Obama will win the nomination and the Presidency!

Posted by: Lookup | March 31, 2008, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm

I realize this message probably belongs on the board entitled “Yet another ding-dong event of the Obama campaign” but I haven’t found that board YET.
Did you catch Obama bowling this weekend? In a shirt and tie no less. Only an elitist would feel it necessary to point out how long ago he’d bowled. I’m sure it was apparent to all those bowlers out there when they saw how he was dressed!
People: he is not a regular guy – never has been. He’s an elitist. He may have boned up on the price of milk but he couldn’t tell you what hamburger cost!

Posted by: s. valenti | March 31, 2008, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm

am i the only one to think: lady macbeth ? “out damn’d spot”

Posted by: scathinglybrilliant | March 31, 2008, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm

Surprised they even bother scrubbing Obama’s church and any negative information about him. The news media hasn’t bothered doing their job and investigate, report, and follow up anything about this man for over a year. Instead, we get reporters falling all over themselves to be near him and get tingles detailed reports about the tingles they get up their legs when he speaks. Do we still have a free press?

Posted by: kathleen | March 31, 2008, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm

I asked most of people in my community if they know the story of Obama’s pastor hateful speeches and 80% of the answer is yes. This phrase will stay with Obama campaign forever: “God D America”
Hillary supporters, please praise this phrase with us “God bless Hillary and God bless America!”.

Posted by: GoawayObama | March 31, 2008, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm

Wright is a rascist and Obama is a liar when he says he was unaware of Wright’s
expressions of hate. Twenty years attending the same church and all this is a revelation to Obama? Give me a break.

Posted by: Ed Noble | March 31, 2008, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm

BARACK H OBAMA DOESN’T HAVE A CHANCE ANYMORE. HE HAS BECOME ONE OF THEM(POLITICIANS). LIAR, PARSING WORDS, WHAT IS IS? WHAT IS IS? WHAT IS IS?

Posted by: CHAOS | March 31, 2008, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm

The church website seems to be getting a makeover just like Obama did when he began to package himself as “the unifier” who offered “change you could believe in” in rejecting “the old politics”.

Posted by: hopesprings52 | March 31, 2008, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm

I already knew America was completely full of idiots .. and the support given to this fraud only supports my theory!

Posted by: Bruce | March 31, 2008, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm

Whenever Obama gets caught, he makes excuses or has his campaign people make excuses for him. The NAFTA-gate where he claimed there was no meeting, a memo shows up and proves him a liar. The questionnaire from an Illinois voter group that was filled out in 1996, he claimed it was a staff member who did it and he wasn’t responsible for the answers. In fact, he said he never even saw or approved of the form. But now it shows that the form actually had Obama’s handwriting and notes on it.
He also claimed during the South Carolina debate that he barely knew Rezko, but we all know that he had a 17 year business and friendly relationship with the guy.
He also claims that all his Senate records and papers have been “lost”. I’d love to see what he’s hiding there!
The man can’t tell the truth and he never takes responsibility for his lies unless he’s backed into the corner. Of course, he has the MSM to hide behind and they are doing all they can to protect him…just like they protected George W. Bush.

Posted by: Mellie | March 31, 2008, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm

MC,
I know what your talking about. Some in the AA community have been trying to get reparations for years and are now salivating at the prospect of Barack getting in office so they can get their hands on the taxpayers dollars. Taxpayers who I might add, had nothing to do with mistreatment. And what next? Native Americans? Asian Americans? Women? Hispanics? It’s a pandoras box that will bleed this country to its death. Which, by looking a TUCC, would be just fine with them. So long as they get what they want for themselves the rest of the country can be damned. Isn’t that what the good Reverand said? God Damn America? He meant it!
NO YOU CAN’T!

Posted by: SadStateOfAffairs | March 31, 2008, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm

Thanks for posting the information about the incredibly huge retirement package Rev. Wright is receiving. Is the church paying it or is is being funded by someone with deep pockets? I hope we find out.
For any of those ministers from mainstream churches who have defended Wright -whether from charity or their own political preferences, I’d ask them how they expect their own retirement packages to stack up and how they feel that money should have been spent to do the work of the church.

Posted by: s. valenti | March 31, 2008, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm

This must really be tough for the dems. Which habitual liar will you nominate ??

Posted by: LADNARC | March 31, 2008, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm

Obama/Wright/Farrakhan: This is how they are connected: racism

Posted by: Jane K | March 31, 2008, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm

Oh my god. What is with all of your negative Obama stories as of late? What exactly is your agenda?! Stop already!

Posted by: leticia | March 31, 2008, 3:36 pm 3:36 pm

Ask Bill Clinton how he felt about his donation to Farrakhan’s million man march?
Oh, I forgot. It was for politically entrance into the black vote.

Posted by: Love | March 31, 2008, 3:36 pm 3:36 pm

The Obama administration = George Orwell’s Big Brother. Remake history at the blink of an eye (or a refresh of your browser).

Posted by: Joe | March 31, 2008, 3:37 pm 3:37 pm

BRUCE; 3:33 YOU NAILED IT

Posted by: CHAOS | March 31, 2008, 3:37 pm 3:37 pm

leticia
Seems like you’re trying to shoot the messenger because you don’t like the messages. Why don’t you come up with something real to repudiate those messages? why indeed!

Posted by: Surelock Homes | March 31, 2008, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm

It is OBVIOUS that pressure on the DENOMINATION UCC led to the ‘sanitizing’ of the Trinity UCC web site… the denomination is embarrassed and dying a slow death having lost its commitment to Jesus Christ and replaced it with a political and social agenda. Rev. Thomas is sinking with the ship and the UCC is neither ‘affirming’ or ‘welcoming’ of anyone with traditional values, long ago having thrown the German Reformend part under the bus. Trinity UCC and its hateful incendiary theology is perfectly at home with the UCC… and it has taken far too long for the denomination to rein Dr. Wright in! God BLESS Trinity and its people and bring peace and unity to our nation!

Posted by: scalewoodman | March 31, 2008, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm

I am a Republican and I won’t vote for Obama. McCain is too far left for me, but I only had one vote. After reading the Black Values I don’t really have a problem with them except the part about disavowing “middleclassness”. Substitute middleclassness for bourgeoisie and then you are leaning so far left that you are somewhere in the socialist/communist part of the spectrum. I am middle class and I don’t see anything wrong with it. I would prefer to be rich or even super rich but I would need to make a considerable contribution to the economy to do so. Anybody that is rich has done so in one way or the other. Paris Hilton is rich because her grandfather filled a need in the hotel industry. Bill Gates is rich because helped standardize PC computers and bundled office productivity software.

Posted by: Jeff | March 31, 2008, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm

Wright pastor is not going away anytime soon Rev Wright
says you don’t have to wait for the afterlife for the mansion on the hilltop, hes right! to shut him up Trinity United Church of Christ is building Rev. Wright a $1 mil house on a lot that was purchased for $345,000. According to his federal income tax return Obama gave the Trinity United church $22,500 in contributions

Posted by: OBAMA NOT WRIGHT | March 31, 2008, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm

Sorry, I may have implied that the terms be searched separately.
Please paste : RNA Trinty Church Wright Farrakhan in the window together.
Doing so “blends” all facets into the result, and connects them.
Much there for the “discovery”, very eye-opening. If it sounds like I am talking about a conspiracy. Iam!
Devall Patrick was the “proto-type, Obama is “the real deal”. Patrick and Obama are the puppets.
Axelrod, Dean, MoveOn are the puppeteers. Using the African American Separatist aspects of Trinity and other entities as pawns.
While playing “guilty white liberals” seeking redemption like a drum. I have no guilt!, nor do I have any qualms about trying to expose it for what I see it to be.
Just one old man’s opinion, and one old man’s quest.

Posted by: MC | March 31, 2008, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm

I checked out the church website in Dec. of 07. I don’t remember specifically what prompted me. I was still deciding between the two candidates then. I didn’t stay on the website that long because of the access restrictions. Wright’s sermons were definitely not accessible.

Posted by: katrina | March 31, 2008, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm

christina:
If you think the new pastor is much different from Wright, you have not been doing your homework.

Posted by: Aston | March 31, 2008, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm

Kevin said “only idiots care about Rev. Wright”. I guess there are a lot of idiots our there including myself. They can scrub the site, but the evidence is already out there and if ABC, NBC, CNN etc. think they can brush it under the rug, they cannot. Fox and republican talk radio IS NOT letting this go away and they shouldn’t. I think the real idiots are Kennedy, Kerry, Dean, Pelosi,etc. who seem to want it to go away along with forcing Clinton out. If they persist (and if the media persist) they will lose the Democratic faithfuls.

Posted by: Joshua | March 31, 2008, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm

Jake- have you ever found what Rev Wright preached about the war in Afghanistan before it was waged?
I’m very curious whether he considered that a just war at the time. I’m also very curious to know if Obama said anything on record about it- before we went after the Taliban.

Posted by: MayBee | March 31, 2008, 3:42 pm 3:42 pm

The plot thickens.

Posted by: TheShadowKnows | March 31, 2008, 3:42 pm 3:42 pm

Well I am guessing with media circus that has followed this story and the hate male this church was getting that they are trying to redesign their website to show their side of the story. That is what I would do if I was the member for a website like this who felt they were being unfairly characterized. I guess you will have to wait and see.

Posted by: Livvy | March 31, 2008, 3:42 pm 3:42 pm

It is a singularly low blow to attack and persecute the Church. Even Senator McCain refuses to engage in this blasphemy, that partisan political hacks seem to revel in. This is just some of the despicable fall-out from the Bush regime’s exploiting the religious right for political gain, and compromising America’s historic separation of Church and State. It is BOTH unpatriotic and anti-Christian to engage in such desultory politics.

Posted by: Justinteim | March 31, 2008, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm

“Jake is doing what most of the thugs in MEDIA have not been doing…their job.”
As a journalist Jake in this case is doing the opposite of his job. HE is the one who should answer the headline question “Who is scrubbing..”, not we. And he might have found an answer if he simply had contacted the Church in question.

Posted by: herta | March 31, 2008, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm

OBAMA NOT WRIGHT | Mar 31, 2008 3:38:15 PM
Face it…the “mainstream madia” is going to sit on the video of BO in the church. It will have to be up to Cliton’s campaign or an independant group like the Swiftboat group to release it. No matter what the left wing media will try to discredit whom ever releases it.

Posted by: LADNARC | March 31, 2008, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm

LOL…I’m SURE there are MANY people who have snap shots of that website…..EVERY page of it. Not to mention many copies of Trumpet Magazine have been saved too and don’t forget about those charming “Pastor Pages” the racist preacher had printed. They’re saved too.
If not the Clinton campaign, then surely the republican party has made darn sure they have access to all that info in November.
They can’t hide it anymore. It’s out. They have been exposed for the hateful racists they are.

Posted by: Vickie | March 31, 2008, 3:44 pm 3:44 pm

Well, I still have a copy of the TUCC church bulletin from June 2007 – that has the Open Letter to Oprah on the Pastor Pages and includes the passages about Israel creating an ethnic bomb to murder blacks and Arabs.
All I did was save it as a PDF. Worked very well. In case you need it later, Jake.

Posted by: bbln | March 31, 2008, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm

CAN WE TALK ABOUT THE ISSUES PLEASE OR ARE WE MORE CONCERNED WITH THE VALUE SYSTEM OF MR. OBAMA’S CHURCH OR THE SIZE AND PRICE OF THE HOUSE THE CHURCH IS BUILDING FOR THEIR FORMER PASTOR?
THE FACT THAT THE CHURCH IS BUILDING DR. WRIGHT A HOUSE DOESN’T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH HEALTHCARE, EDUCATION AND THE ECONOMY! PLEASE FOCUS ON THE ISSUES.

Posted by: LetsTalkAboutTheIssues | March 31, 2008, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm

At least they didn’t remove and destroy documents from the national archive, like Clinton lapdog Sandy Berger.

Posted by: boulderhippie2 | March 31, 2008, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm

NOW THAT ABC IS REPORTING ALL THE PROBLEMS THAT DEMS HAVE,(THEY ARE JUST CATCHING UP TO FOX) MAYBE MORE PEOPLE WILL REALIZE THAT THEY HAVE BEEN BIASED ALL ALONG!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: CHAOS | March 31, 2008, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm

Only time will tell what will happen between the two dems running and who will get the “nod”…but I feel sorry for all you bigoted people who cannot see through race or gender. We are all human and ” fall short of the glory of God.” “Ye who is without sin,throw the first stone.” I guess yoy are all sinless….

Posted by: cindy | March 31, 2008, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm

All of you “yelling” at the messenger.
Get off your lazy behinds and search for yourselves. Then decide if it is “benign” or “cancerous”. , do ab it of pondering
I am guilty of Yelling at the messenger for the opposite reason. I appreciate very much their “checking” it. It must come out.
you better believe it will all come out in the GE.
Besides, if there is “nothing to it”, why does it panic you so?

Posted by: MC | March 31, 2008, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm

Who else could that e other than “OBAMA” himself. He is afraid that more negatives will come out light about him. So it is a deliberate act by Obama.
American people,
High time to wake up. We don’t want Obama to be our president!! We don’t know anything about this guy.

Posted by: No Obama | March 31, 2008, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm

Bob Boardman writes:
“Here’s one the Obama camp needs to scrub:
“In the Muslim school, the teacher wrote to tell my mother that I made faces during Koranic studies,” Obama wrote in Dreams From My Father.”

Posted by: EdgarCayce | March 31, 2008, 3:49 pm 3:49 pm

WHEN WILL IT ALL END?

Posted by: CHAOS | March 31, 2008, 3:49 pm 3:49 pm

So, who is running for President? Senator Obama or Pastor Wright? As usual whenever a very likely candidate black or white is available to run for the everyday people you will have those with there own pathetic agenda to try and distort & destroy the best possibility of having a candidate that can unify our country. Hillary’s own pastor respects Pastor Wright. And most people have done or said things that are truly downright stupid and in this case Past Wright’s outdated mindset was magnified x100 because he is Obama’s pastor. This just amazes the crap out of me! Grow up people and behave like mature adults!

Posted by: Belinda Walters | March 31, 2008, 3:49 pm 3:49 pm

Jake,
Are you and your network so hard up for stories that you have to play the race card? The things said by Rev. Wright in the past have harmed Senator Obama’s campaign. Are we suppose to be surprised that the church he retired from no longer wants to contribute or continue this harm? You are trying to raise the ratings for your network using racially divisive means. This is irresponsible journalism not the “Power, pop, and probing” type of hard hitting newsman you imagine your self to be. Be responsible. Clean it up.

Posted by: Radmanaustin | March 31, 2008, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm

You’ve got to give Hillary and her campaign a lot of credit for not bringing this out. They could have. But they didn’t. That’s what I call a good lesson in “actions speaking louder than words”. Total Class even when she’s being slimmed and beat up.
Now that’s one tough lady!

Posted by: SadStateOfAffairs | March 31, 2008, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm

Coverup! Welcome to the Real American Politics. Bravo to Obama’s team! Now go get the White House!

Posted by: NYCStylez | March 31, 2008, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm

You’ve got to give Hillary and her campaign a lot of credit for not bringing this out. They could have. But they didn’t. That’s what I call a good lesson in “actions speaking louder than words”. Total Class even when she’s being slimmed and beat up.
Now that’s one tough lady!

Posted by: SadStateOfAffairs | March 31, 2008, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm

The story of this racist preacher, who was so close to BHO as to preside in his wedding!!!, makes me think “How in the world could BHO sit and listen to this racist and not leave immediately?” To continue on with a relationship with this racist leads me to believe that BHO condones him. Other than no record of experience, NOW there’s a strong reason NOT to elect BHO!

Posted by: Bill Madden | March 31, 2008, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm

This is not about race so quit whining about the race card. This is not about a black face and a white face, it’s about being two-faced. One is dishonest, the other is downright frightening in its misrepresentation. I am afraid the American public will not truly know the evil that lies beneath until it’s too late.

Posted by: Jill Mitchell | March 31, 2008, 3:55 pm 3:55 pm

Maybee, do you realize how ridiculous this whole isue about Rev. Wright is? Firstly, Obama said he didn’t hear these inflamatory comments (and until someoene produces evidence that he did, only a biased person wouldn’t take huim at his word). Secondly, when put in context, most of the things Rev. Wright said are legitimate. I mean, is rev. Wright the first Pastor to say God damn America? Pastors have been damning America for sins since the beginning of time. Why is this one damn worse than the thousands of damns Pastors ahve preached from the pulpit for abortion and gay rights and all those liberal tendencies? Thirdly, only a silly, idiotic, moron would actually think that these views reflect Obama’s. Theer is not any single evidence that Obama himself ahve ever uttered these words sicne the day he was born. So basically you want me to condemn a man based not on his own words, but those of his Pastor. That’s incredibly retarded IMO. I hope people don’t judge me based on my Pastor’s words. In fact, i hope people don’t judge me based on my wife’s words, or the words of anyone that isn’t me. Fourthly, blacks and whites see Wrights’s comments differently. Why is that? Are all blacks racist? What about the liberal whites that see it the way blacks see it? Are they racists too? Is Obama, who is half white, racist towards his own mother? This is ridiculous,a nd apparently most Americans are not buying it that’s why Obama leads keeps expending his lead in the polls. If you cannot discuss issues, then you are tabloid level.

Posted by: Kevin | March 31, 2008, 3:57 pm 3:57 pm

KID OAKLAND: JUST BECAUSE YOU DON’T LIKE IT DOESN’T MEAN OTHER PEOPLE DON’T. A STORY IS A STORY. ABC IS REPORTING SOMETHING AMERICANS WANT TO KNOW TO GET A GOOD IDEA OF WHO TO VOTE FOR. OBAMA IS NOT THE WRIGHT PERSON.

Posted by: CHAOS | March 31, 2008, 3:57 pm 3:57 pm

Hillary Clinton’s ‘bold faced lie?’ No Way.
Look, Hillary Clinton was told there was sniper fire in the hills and that the plane was taking evasive maneuvers. She was in a protected area in the cockpit. There were soldiers around in full gear. To me, having never landed in a war zone myself, that’s enough to make her statement reasonable. Besides, she provided recognition and comfort to the soldiers there, and that’s what counts. How many times have all you critics done that?
At least Clinton has some foreign experience to get confused about.

Posted by: Erica Leigh | March 31, 2008, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm

I think the Pastor Wright incident was a game ended event. Just as the church is removing objectionable material from its website, Obama is also backpeddling about his relationship with Wright.
Obama now seems to be claiming that this relationship, which was onced used for benefit in his Chicago district, and to help him fight the rumors of being a muslim, was never as close or as important as the media is trying to make it appear. Unfortunately for both the church and Senator Obama, there will be abundant evidence to disprove the new reality they are trying to create.
The questions every Obama supporter should ask themselves are, if the Republicans truly viewed Obama as the stronger candidate than Clinton, why didn’t they show these Rev. Wright videos back in January and February when they would have been catastrophic to his campaign? And, why have they failed to start highlighting some of his inconsistencies until now? Why did they essentially let an unvetted candidate come so close to winning the nomination?
Perhaps, they know they have more than enough dirt to sink him in the general (Rev. Wright, Rezko and Ayers, oh my!).

Posted by: Sher | March 31, 2008, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm

Celebrating Women: A Note from Dr. Maya Angelou
You may write me down in history
With your bitter, twisted lies,
You may trod me in the very dirt
But still, like dust, I’ll rise.
This is not the first time you have seen Hillary Clinton seemingly at her wits end, but she has always risen, always risen, much to the dismay of her adversaries and the delight of her friends.
Hillary Clinton will not give up on you and all she asks of you is that you do not give up on her.
There is a world of difference between being a woman and being an old female. If you’re born a girl, grow up, and live long enough, you can become an old female.
But, to become a woman is a serious matter. A woman takes responsibility for the time she takes up and the space she occupies.
Hillary Clinton is a woman. She has been there and done that and has still risen. She is in this race for the long haul. She intends to make a difference in our country.
She is the prayer of every woman and man who long for fair play, healthy families, good schools, and a balanced economy.
She declares she wants to see more smiles in the families, more courtesies between men and women, more honesty in the marketplace. Hillary Clinton intends to help our country to what it can become.
She means to rise.
She means to help our country rise. Don’t give up on her, ever.
In fact, if you help her to rise, you will rise with her and help her make this country a wonderful, wonderful place where every man and every woman can live freely without sanctimonious piety, without crippling fear.
Rise Hillary.
Rise.

Posted by: Maya | March 31, 2008, 3:59 pm 3:59 pm

Google cache as a source? Really?

Posted by: Deep Release | March 31, 2008, 3:59 pm 3:59 pm

SOUNDS LIKE SOME OF YOU WANT PEOPLE TO BE UNINFORMED BECAUSE THE TRUTH HURTS.

Posted by: CHAOS | March 31, 2008, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm

Obama: quit the church, or quit the race!!!

Posted by: larry | March 31, 2008, 4:01 pm 4:01 pm

Omit, re-word, straight out lie, fabricate, eliminate, coerse I could go on and on with the description of Obama tactics.

Posted by: irma | March 31, 2008, 4:01 pm 4:01 pm

The Issues of this Campaign will be addressed by the Genereal Election. Til then, The Primary is about finding the right TYPE of person, who you can trust to lead us to win it all.
The Primary is a test to the candidates and the examinations we do to their past and associations and experiences is how we can judge who is better.
(it’s not who you sleep with but who you hung around with when you were awake.)
Obama is a wolf in sheep’s cloak. He has an agenda that does not speak for the greater good of America. He is a bitter, closet-racist, and I am very surprised by how easlily people are taken in by him.

Posted by: carpenter.nyc | March 31, 2008, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm

The very sad thing about all these is the MSM is covering up a lot of things about Obama that every American people deserves to know. Why are they so afraid to touch him? Are they getting paid by his camp? What is it? We deserve to know. I came from a small country in Asia and I thought these kinds of things only happen there but I guess not. If he becomes the democratic nominee and loses in the general election against Mccain or if he even becomes the president there is no doubt in my mind that I will forever blame the media. Obama is dangerous for the country.

Posted by: bpatz3 | March 31, 2008, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm

Erica,
The pilot of that plane that Hill was on is now retired and was on a radio talk show recently. He stated that the account Hill gave of the incident is totally false. He also stated that if they had been in ANY danger of being fired at by snipers they NEVER would have landed. She’s a liar, face the facts.

Posted by: tamsam07 | March 31, 2008, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm

Sher: you’re right on the money!
I think the Pastor Wright incident was a game ended event. Just as the church is removing objectionable material from its website, Obama is also backpeddling about his relationship with Wright.
Obama now seems to be claiming that this relationship, which was onced used for benefit in his Chicago district, and to help him fight the rumors of being a muslim, was never as close or as important as the media is trying to make it appear. Unfortunately for both the church and Senator Obama, there will be abundant evidence to disprove the new reality they are trying to create.
The questions every Obama supporter should ask themselves are, if the Republicans truly viewed Obama as the stronger candidate than Clinton, why didn’t they show these Rev. Wright videos back in January and February when they would have been catastrophic to his campaign? And, why have they failed to start highlighting some of his inconsistencies until now? Why did they essentially let an unvetted candidate come so close to winning the nomination?
Perhaps, they know they have more than enough dirt to sink him in the general (Rev. Wright, Rezko and Ayers, oh my!).
Vote for either Clinton or McCain, not Hussein Obama.

Posted by: Jennie | March 31, 2008, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm

Well the Obamafans are really in denial over this issue and can’t sem to understand that this is a big issue because it goes right to the heart of Obama’s lack of judgment and his own personal values. Do any of these deluded people really think that most Americans feel comfortable that a guy who has admitted that the detestable Rev Wright is his “spiritual mentor” and “moral compass” is running for president? They can erase pages off their website, but it won’t erase the fact that people now know that Obama’s chosen pastor is a racist and that he thinks America deserved 9/11. Most of us can still remember the dreadful sight of the twin towers collapsing, taking with them the lives of innocent men and women. Anyone with an ounce of judgment knows that America didn’t ‘deserve’ those awful acts of terrorism, and Rev Wright claiming that we did is just doing Osama Bin Laden’s work. One thing is for sure, Obama’s chickens will come home to roost in November, and he’ll be roasted by the Republicans who will remind every American who Obama chose for his moral compass.

Posted by: Melly | March 31, 2008, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm

Celebrating Women: A Note from Dr. Maya Angelou
You may write me down in history
With your bitter, twisted lies,
You may trod me in the very dirt
But still, like dust, I’ll rise.
This is not the first time you have seen Hillary Clinton seemingly at her wits end, but she has always risen, always risen, much to the dismay of her adversaries and the delight of her friends.
Hillary Clinton will not give up on you and all she asks of you is that you do not give up on her.
There is a world of difference between being a woman and being an old female. If you’re born a girl, grow up, and live long enough, you can become an old female.
But, to become a woman is a serious matter. A woman takes responsibility for the time she takes up and the space she occupies.
Hillary Clinton is a woman. She has been there and done that and has still risen. She is in this race for the long haul. She intends to make a difference in our country.
She is the prayer of every woman and man who long for fair play, healthy families, good schools, and a balanced economy.
She declares she wants to see more smiles in the families, more courtesies between men and women, more honesty in the marketplace. Hillary Clinton intends to help our country to what it can become.
She means to rise.
She means to help our country rise. Don’t give up on her, ever.
In fact, if you help her to rise, you will rise with her and help her make this country a wonderful, wonderful place where every man and every woman can live freely without sanctimonious piety, without crippling fear.
Rise Hillary.
Rise.

Posted by: Chester | March 31, 2008, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm

Jake:
The “Black Value System” is still there. On the main page under – *Click here for additional info* – though I do agree the web page does not look the same as it did a few months ago. A lot of the wording in it has changed. I would prefer they changed their mentality against the world and “white america” as they call it.
I wonder if they realize that by “Damming America” they are also Damming themselves??
As long as we carry – hate – in our hearts, we will never make progress. No matter what side it comes from.

Posted by: NO2Hate | March 31, 2008, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm

IT IS OVER WITH FOR THE DEMOCRATS. OBAMA WILL NEVER BEAT JOHN MCCAIN WITH THIS HANGING OVER HIM.

Posted by: LARRY | March 31, 2008, 4:06 pm 4:06 pm

The church has a new Pastor effective March 2008. Is it so out of line for it to change its website? Most organizations shift focus when new leadership arrives. If the information that is now missing was so objectionable, then shouldn’t we be glad that it’s been removed? Seems to me that in most of your eyes the church is damned either way.

Posted by: kc | March 31, 2008, 4:06 pm 4:06 pm

The people who obviously care …don’t really matter at this point in the election.
The independents and the majority of dems and many of the republicans have heard enough and are bored with this attempt to turn an issue over one more time.
Look at all those people beating a dead horse and the numbers don’t change… Barack is better than this…Hillary is not.

Posted by: dl | March 31, 2008, 4:06 pm 4:06 pm

Hillary’s sniper fire story PALES in comparison to Obama’s tall stories…

Posted by: DMK | March 31, 2008, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm

But I thought the speech made this issue moot? But I though the poll shows
Obama ahead of CLinton by 10%, right?
What this really shows is the reality not the fairy tale of media and Obama supporters that Wright and the others UTCC hate mongers(who haven’t been publicized yet) give Obama no chance of being elected

Posted by: geevill | March 31, 2008, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm

Sounds like the Demo party needs to split up into two or more parties..
Why is it when a black person says something racist that it isn’t called racist.. but when a white person says something it is like you kicked a hornets nest? Just wondering.. (I know.. I’m sounding racist now… but I’m not)

Posted by: Dan Fisher | March 31, 2008, 4:08 pm 4:08 pm

Dear Sher,
Either you are really misinformed or you are willing to twist the facts the way you want.
What Obama said about Wright is that he was is pastor *not* is mentor. There is a big difference. Maybe you should look at Wright own letter to the NYT.
About the Wright story, how do you know that it is the republicans? Are you a member of the RNC?
Let just stick to facts in order to have a civilized debate. It seems to me that the person who would most benefit from the Wright scandal in the current state of affairs would be Hillary. Have you heard of the kitchen sink strategy?

Posted by: Lance D | March 31, 2008, 4:09 pm 4:09 pm

scrubbing websites, sweeping Wright story under the rug, shoving Selma and Kennedy relation lies in the closet, sanitizing speeches to make extremism seem like mainstream – hmmm, maybe Obama campaign is showing us his career is really in the janitorial services and not the presidency.

Posted by: echo | March 31, 2008, 4:09 pm 4:09 pm

HILLARY DOESN’T LIE NEARLY AS BAD AS OBAMA! THANKS DMK

Posted by: CHAOS | March 31, 2008, 4:09 pm 4:09 pm

I am a republican and though I know that McCain can beat Obama in the general. I would rather Clinton win the nomination.

Posted by: Re-Joyce | March 31, 2008, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm

LANCE D: HE SAID HE WAS HIS”MENTOR” MANY TIMES. GET WITH THE PICTURE HERE.

Posted by: CHAOS | March 31, 2008, 4:11 pm 4:11 pm

Sad to say but If a White person was to say “typical Black People” there would be an outrage, NNACP would be stepping in , dont forget Jesse Jackson and his posse , give me a break ,
With the Racist background of Rev.Racist White and Hussein Obama this country has taken two steps backward, this is the change Obama speaks of? He needs to step down from this campaign go back to his wife and Racist Brainwashing Church he loves so much.

Posted by: brandi | March 31, 2008, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm

lookup: The difference, most of them are republicans.
Democrats are supposed to be different.

Posted by: s. valenti | March 31, 2008, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm

People keep asking “who is running for President Obama or Wright?
The “real” question we all should be asking is ” WHO IS RUNNING OBAMA”?,
And maybe we will, if we have the “guts” and intelligence to not just take anyones word that all is “cool”. While stuff is being swept under the rug.
HRC is flawed, we all know that, yet many of us still support her. I want every possibly harmful “fact” about her brought out and dealt with. And. please note I said “fact”, not innuendo.
I feel the same re BHO, and the facts regarding this whole Black Alliance thing. How it plays into Axelrod’s scheme will come out. Now or the GE, it is out there and easily connected if one puts forth a bit of effort.
You can bet the “swiftboat” coalition/machine already has. Hiding stuff from fellow Democrats has been pretty easy.
The Republican far-right plays “full-contact” politics as we all know. They have no rules, except those they make up as they go along.

Posted by: MC | March 31, 2008, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm

I AM REPUBLICAN AND I WANT OBAMA TO WIN BECAUSE AMERICA WILL NEVER VOTE FOR BLACK. PRIMARIES DONT MEAN ANYTHING!NATIONAL ELECTION WILL NOT EVEN BE CLOSE.

Posted by: JANET | March 31, 2008, 4:13 pm 4:13 pm

I’m a bit surprised that few, if any, ever wanted to see if Mr. Wright (the reverend) wanted to apologize for what he said, that is, “God Damn America”. I don’t approve of ANY preacher, priest, etc. cussing like that. Very Unprofessional. Mr. Obama lost my vote because of what Mr. Wright said. BTW, I am NOT a republican, I don’t vote for those people. And I’m not planning to vote for Clinton, either.

Posted by: howie | March 31, 2008, 4:15 pm 4:15 pm

I am uncomfortable with Obama’s shady connections. Here’s another skeleton waiting to emerge, this one on terrorist connections…..

Posted by: KERRY | March 31, 2008, 4:16 pm 4:16 pm

Those who minimize the importance of a pastor or spiritual director obviously have no idea what it like to sit in church week after week listening to sermons from the same person. They also don’t seem to realize that Americans are constantly changing their churches (see recent Pew study on that). Obama CHOSE Rev. Wright and is dissembling about what he knew, when he knew it and why he put up with it and financially supported it for 20 years.
It is shocking that he is getting away with this – but I have faith in the wisdom of ordinary Americans. He may just get the nomination but there is no way he and his unpatriotic wife will get to the White House – excuse me, I mean the “Black Shack” (to quote Rev. Wright).

Posted by: Judith | March 31, 2008, 4:16 pm 4:16 pm

Way to go Jake! It’s nice to see that some media outlets have the guts to report the truth…I do not know why so many people think this guy walks on water. This church and any member who goes there and listens to this stuff is racist. You don’t get that close to a pastor who’s views you view as so different from your own. The scrub down of the church’s site proves this stuff is racist and they don’t want people to see. If their views were so right why would they be ashamed of it and yank it off the web? Wake up people.

Posted by: Wells747 | March 31, 2008, 4:18 pm 4:18 pm

wow – that is some disgusting stuff. i wish everyone could have seen that before he got this far along.

Posted by: mcols | March 31, 2008, 4:18 pm 4:18 pm

Obama walked the Million Man March with Farrakhan

Posted by: carpenter.nyc | March 31, 2008, 4:18 pm 4:18 pm

Hillary Clinton is no “Iron Lady” (Margaret Thatcher) and never will be.

Posted by: Lookup | March 31, 2008, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm

Excellent post, Echo!
Very clever satire, yet exactly on the money.
Well done.

Posted by: MC | March 31, 2008, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm

Vote Obama = President McCain

Posted by: hammer | March 31, 2008, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm

A lot of Dems don’t care about this. Why?
Because they are saturated with Obama’s lies.
And they have enough of the DNC’s elite trying to push Hillary out of the race.
They are tired of Obama and the DNC LONG before Wright.
There does not need to be anymore Wright news. The Republicans already have enough on their hands. Obama can blame his 20-year-long association.

Posted by: JoSmith | March 31, 2008, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm

I will NOT vote for Obama if he wins the nomination. He’s not only inexperienced, but also a disgusting chronic lier and ####! He will only bring the country harms. I’m deeply disappointed at all these #### going on in democratic party. Hillary is the best of the best, yet so many people attack her and mistrust her.

Posted by: KERRY | March 31, 2008, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm

I really think they should be looking at indicting Obama for Terrorist Sympathizing.
I really see the DNC does not care about America!!

Posted by: spock | March 31, 2008, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm

People please stop using your brain power to argue over or I should say debate over things that are being past on to you second hand. Find peace in the fact that every one is still innocent until proven guilty. Learn how to judge a person from your own personal experience with them. Surely we have not gotten to a point where we really are suggesting that people are guilty because of a person they associate themselves with. I am the 11th child out of a family of 12 and the things my sibblings do and I do, heck even my parents do are not the things I support or would ever consider doing but am I to be thrown out with the trash because of their bad behavior. Surely we cannot all be saying that we dont at least know one person that does or says things that we dont agree with and still tolerate them. Just start at home in your own family and you will be suprised. In the truth filled words of Jesus,”He who is without sin cast the first stone”.

Posted by: Lei | March 31, 2008, 4:25 pm 4:25 pm

I’m sorry but to call Obama a “true patriot and national hero” is absolutely insane. The man is a liar and a racist. He doesn’t even show patriotrism for this country and has wife who obviously disdains being American. Obama is unpatriotric and a national shame.

Posted by: KERRY | March 31, 2008, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm

I DONT UNDERSTAND SOMETHING. IF HILLARY IS SO GREAT HOW COME HER OWN HUSBAND CHEATED ON HER? AND DONT GIVE ME THE BS ALL MEN CHEAT IF SHES SO GREAT SHE SHOULD HAVE BEEN GREAT ENOUGH TO LEAVE HIM BUT SHES NOT. SHES JUST ANOTHER WEAK MINDED WOMAN OR SHE KNEW SHE WAS GOING TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT AND THOUGHT , HELL I CANT BECOME PRESIDENT IF I DIVORCE HIM…YOUR RIGHT SHE IS SMART.

Posted by: TAMMY | March 31, 2008, 4:27 pm 4:27 pm

Through the Black Liberation teachings that Obama was exposed to, Obama found himself. No matter how much he studied and read in Harvard, he couldn’t find comfort in himself until he met Rev. Wright.
No amount of nuture from his grandma could quench Obama, Obama needed this Church to survive. So for Obama to think he can just DISMISS all this religion stuff, he has another thing coming. ( how many times has Obama and Michelle yelled out during Rev. Wright’s sermon– Amen!!…and contribute—oh, lets see— close to 20 years…)

Posted by: carpenter.nyc | March 31, 2008, 4:29 pm 4:29 pm

Do Obama’s stooges actually think that the Repubs haven’t already saved all the contents of Trinity United’s web servers?
They’ve been on this Rev Wright anti-American hate speech for over a year.
They’ve only given the public a glimpse of what is in store for Obama.
P.S. Hillary is so secretive, isn’t she? Lol!

Posted by: OxyCon | March 31, 2008, 4:29 pm 4:29 pm

I am a republican and one thing that I can agree on with democrats is that Obama can’t be president. If I could go and vote again I would vote in the democrat against Obama. Though I am a republican I do think that the pie is on our face and this is going to be a tough year. I would rather have Clinton for president than Obama.

Posted by: lint2008 | March 31, 2008, 4:30 pm 4:30 pm

I think Republicans have temporary Tefloned Obama until the general election

Posted by: ken | March 31, 2008, 4:31 pm 4:31 pm

YOU KNOW, YOU IDIOTS CLAIM TO BE SO SMART. YET EVERYTHING YOUR SAYING IS HEARSAY. HONESTLY IF YOU HAVENT PICKED UP ON THE MEDIA AND THE SOUNDBITE MARATHON BY NOW I FEEL VERY BADLY FOR YOU ALL. PLEASE PEOPLE WHITE, BLACK, ASIAN, AND HISPANIC, ALL AMERICANS PLEASE PLEASE WAKE UP!!!!!!!!NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE FOR EXCEPT NOTHING LESS THEN THE FACTS. AMERICA NOT ONLY IS SMARTER THEN THAT BUT WE ARE A GREAT NATION THAT HAS TO TRY AND COME TOGETHER.

Posted by: sean | March 31, 2008, 4:33 pm 4:33 pm

Its scary to see how many people are just blindly following Obama ..no matter what truths they hear…. God help us if he gets the nomination !!

Posted by: JIMBO | March 31, 2008, 4:34 pm 4:34 pm

This primary election is a total farce! The reason the DNC doesn’t care about FL & MI is because the two states will become totally irrelevent in the immediate future. With what appears to be the Obama campaign buying as many of the superdelegates as they can, it will only be a matter of time before they surpass whatever those two states could have given in pledged delegates to Clinton.
I had to laugh when I saw one of the superdelegates on the news being asked about taking money from a candidate that they would have to vote for and specifically being asked, “isn’t it a conflict of interest?!?!?” The superdelegate just shrugged his shoulders with the implication, “oh well…business as usual.” This entire ordeal just comes down to power and greed. In the end, the Republicans will win because they are better at this game and the Democrat’s nominee will be totally flawed!

Posted by: Michael | March 31, 2008, 4:34 pm 4:34 pm

If Obama is such a great uniter then why hasn’t he united the democrats? And after his speach about race, if he really thinks he is going to change the countrys view on race, why didn’t he start with Rev. Wright? This is a guy who knows and trusts Obama and yet Obama can’t convince him to change his mind about race? He is just as big of a racist as Wright, or he is no uniter. Which ever, he can’t be president.

Posted by: simp08 | March 31, 2008, 4:35 pm 4:35 pm

@ PETRA
get real please. obama is not carrying MLK’s torch. The only reason MLK is regarded as a saint or hero or whatever is because he got assassinated. Same thing with JFK and RFK. They were assassinated and that’s why they are ‘heroes’. If MLK were still alive he would be called ‘jesse jackson’. obama does not care about unity. All he wants to do is raise taxes to over 50cent on each dollar you make…create ‘programs’ to help keep ‘his people’ in the gutters and streets…wake up

Posted by: carolinanc | March 31, 2008, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm

So trinity is a more focus church to help lift a fragile people in that community which happens to be black.
I see no problem with that,After all… WHITES run everything and hold the majority.
this is no different of what takes place in South Africa with Whites; Who are the minority there.They have focus church and groups and i see no problem with that.
When you are the MINORITY in any situation.. That group have every right to not only speak its mind; but build the spirits of that group, especially if they feel some injustice have taken place.

Posted by: mark111 | March 31, 2008, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm

OBAMA HAS BEEN FOUND GUILTY THROUGH ASSOCIATION WITH A PASTOR WHO, DUE TO THE NATURE OF HIS PROFESSION, KNOWS A GREAT NUMBER OF PEOPLE, INCLUDING BILL CLINTON. NOW, ARE THEY ALL GUILTY? ARE THEY ALL UNPATRIOTIC? SO MUCH HATRED AND PREJUDICE HAVE BLINDED AND DEAFENED SOME PEOPLE TO THE BIGGER ISSUES, INCLUDING THE FACT THAT HILARY CLINTON’S INSISTANCE ON “GOING ALL THE WAY” IS PITTING PEOPLE AGAINST ONE ANOTHER WHILE BIGGER ISSUES HAVE BEEN COMPLETELY OVERSHADOWED. HERE’S ANOTHER STORY THAT REFLECTS HOW UNTRUSWORTHY HILARY IS (the following from fox news)
Among those shocked by Senator Hillary Clinton’s fictitious account of her 1996 visit to Bosnia is Emina Bicakcic, the young Bosnian girl who famously recited a poem to the former first lady as she arrived in the war-torn country 12 years ago.
Bicakcic, now 20, told the New York Post in an interview published Monday that she was “surprised” to hear the Democratic presidential candidate’s description of the events that day. Clinton said when she went to the Balkans on a goodwill tour in 1996, she dodged sniper bullets upon landing at the Tuzla Air Base.
A videotape released later proved that Clinton was not under sniper fire at any time during her visit. Clinton has since admitted that she “misspoke.”
Clinton’s comments earned her some ridicule at home, but several Bosnians took deeper offense to the bloated depiction. Former acting President Ejup Ganic, who was present during Clinton’s visit, said that while he was nervous about hosting the foreign figure because the peace was still tenuous, Clinton’s description was “an exaggeration.”
“You don’t mess around with your key friends,” Ganic said, explaining why the welcoming ceremony on the tarmac had been cut down a bit. “There was a little bit of risk, but it was not like that. She didn’t run.”

Posted by: Realist | March 31, 2008, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm

This means that the tone has started to change and the church has learned a lesson and it needs some support from all of us to ensure that the removal of certain issues from the website will not be a way to hide things, but a starting point for discussions around race relations. That is important not to lose as opportunity. God bless America and God bless Obama. OBAMA08.

Posted by: BKMC | March 31, 2008, 4:37 pm 4:37 pm

***************************************
So trinity is a more focus church to help lift a fragile people in that community which happens to be black.
I see no problem with that,After all… WHITES run everything and hold the majority.
this is no different of what takes place in South Africa with Whites; Who are the minority there.They have focus church and groups and i see no problem with that.
When you are the MINORITY in any situation.. That group have every right to not only speak its mind; but build the spirits of that group, especially if they feel some sort of injustice have taken place.

Posted by: mark111 | March 31, 2008, 4:38 pm 4:38 pm

Hillary Clinton is no “Iron Lady” (Margaret Thatcher) and never will be.
Posted by: Lookup | Mar 31, 2008 4:19:32 PM
Has she given up yet?
No..I think she’s more like Steel gilded with Gold.
Hillary 08!!!

Posted by: Destardi1 | March 31, 2008, 4:38 pm 4:38 pm

You go to CNN, and you see on the opening page: Cuba opens tourist hotels to its citizens. Another “very important” story, again at CNN, is Death of Anna Nicole’s son ruled an accident. There’s is nothing about this scrubbing that has been diligently going on at TUCC website… So kudos to ABC and Jake Tapper.

Posted by: DMK | March 31, 2008, 4:39 pm 4:39 pm

Now can we see why experience matters. A clinton would have removed the material from the website before they ran for president and let the republicans spend millions trying to bust them on it. Instead Obama has it plastered all over you tube and on dvd. Smooth OJ…

Posted by: OKJester | March 31, 2008, 4:39 pm 4:39 pm

@ Realist
No one says he is guilty through association. People just judge his “superior” judgment for not leaving that Church.

Posted by: John | March 31, 2008, 4:40 pm 4:40 pm

AN INSPIRATIONAL POLITICIAN, A MAN OF VISION, BUILDS COALITIONS, WHOSE WORDS SPAN THE BRIDGES OF RACE AND RELIGION. QUALITIES ONE CAN ONLY SEE IN OBAMA. IT IS A CRYING SHAME THAT SOME ARE SO BLINDED BY THEIR PREJUDICES AND PETTY PEEVES THAT THEY CAN NOT TRANSCEND THEIR NEGATIVE VIEWS, AND SEE THESE QUALITIES WHICH ARE SORELY MISSED IN AMERICA’S POLITICAL LANDSCAPE. As a white university professor, I, along with my children and grandchildren, am honored and privileged to be part of this great history in the making. Now, will America rise to the occasion and embrace this great change and truly unite, showing the world that ONLY in America this can happen, and that it really is the land of the free? Or, will those whose better judgement is clouded by petty prejudices and misconceptions continue the divisive tradition of ‘Us’ and ‘Them’, propagated by those politicians who firmly believe in their politics of divide and rule?

Posted by: Togetherness | March 31, 2008, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm

Why doesn’t anyone point out that Hillary is in deep trouble with the Peter Paul unlawful campaign contritutions???? Isn’t this court case going on right now? If Hillary can lie about Bosnia, what else is she lying about?

Posted by: Laura Libal | March 31, 2008, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm

A vote for Hillary Clinton or John McCain is a vote for the Status Quo.
50 – 100 year War
Recession
Defecits
Economy in bad shape
Polarizing, and race against race, group against group
Europian countries against us
Bill Clinton Lurking around in the WH

Posted by: Lookup | March 31, 2008, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm

The fact is… Hillary’s religious activities are far more dangerous and insidious than Obama’s… but ABC (media wing of the Clinton campaign) is afraid to investigate:

Posted by: TheFactIs | March 31, 2008, 4:42 pm 4:42 pm

noneya: This is by far the most interesting story I’ve read today… And with (N)Obama, nothing is ever benign or as it seems…. There’s always something else

Posted by: DMK | March 31, 2008, 4:42 pm 4:42 pm

What about Chuck Hagel for Obama VP?

Posted by: PATA | March 31, 2008, 4:42 pm 4:42 pm

Tammy,
Have you ever heard of love and all that stuff that is in marriage vows?
I have no way of knowing, but realize that it is entirely possible HRC took her vows seriously and stuck by them.
Also very possible that HRC happens to love ol’ WJC, and decided to keep him!

Posted by: MC | March 31, 2008, 4:42 pm 4:42 pm

Now we know that Obama’s opposition to war was not his judgement but J Wright’s.

Posted by: PS | March 31, 2008, 4:43 pm 4:43 pm

barefootboy9, enlighten me please. What lies have I told?

Posted by: tamsam07 | March 31, 2008, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm

Last summer, Michelle Obama burst onto the national scene with her crude, gutter remark about Hillary Clinton. “If she can’t …………, then she can’t run the White House. Why didn’t the DNC THEN reinforce some restraint. It was that incident that made me unwilling to give Obama another look. He and TEAMOBAMA continue to savage the reputation of both Clinton’s. Remember, Bill Clinton is the only Democratic President to be re-elected to a full eight year term in almost 50 years! I’ll never forgive Obama and the DNC for what they’ve done.

Posted by: s. valenti | March 31, 2008, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm

“The word of God comes from my mouth. GD America”!
Rip the collar from him. Rip the pulpit from him.
Put him on the street corner where he belongs.
He will be in the oval office with Obama
turning things upside down laughing at the voters.

Posted by: Clarence | March 31, 2008, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm

Laura Liberal
In answer to your question:
Because at long last, this blog is about all the mis-infomation, cover-up, and missing links re Obama, the Black Separatist Movement, and other groups.
However, I do not mind if you talk about whatever you wish.

Posted by: MC | March 31, 2008, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm

Bill Clinton Lurking around in the WH
———-
i remember america being pretty prosperous when he was. it is disappointing to know obamaphilias have such selective memories of his administration.

Posted by: John | March 31, 2008, 4:49 pm 4:49 pm

TOGETHERNESS: LET’S ALL HAVE A GROUP HUG. EUTOPIA IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. OBAMA WOULD HAVE EVERYBODY GIVING THEIR MONEY FOR “REPERATIONS”

Posted by: CHAOS | March 31, 2008, 4:49 pm 4:49 pm

If there is nothing wrong with what wright has said, and if his remarks were in good order as so many blacks are now saying why the scrub?
If his remarks and the teachings of this church have been taken out of context, and just being played to hurt Obama’s chances why the scrub?
What is it that they are trying to hide, are they no longer standing by their words, what happens to the black value system that they preached is it now a non issue?……hypocritical I say, they talk for days on what is right for all AA, and America and now they are scrubbing their words, why move it leave it for all to read and nothing is wrong so what is a fuss about it now?

Posted by: SJ | March 31, 2008, 4:49 pm 4:49 pm

Amen Kerry…keep up the good fight!
Hillary 08!! (or McCain)

Posted by: destardi1 | March 31, 2008, 4:50 pm 4:50 pm

It’s sad that they’re having to scrub their website out of fear of what the Clinton camp and Media will do to try and demonize them even more.

Posted by: JW | March 31, 2008, 4:51 pm 4:51 pm

With all of this Obama wants us to beleive that he did not know of Rev. Wrights hateful and racist thoughts. It appears that what is taught is not love of america but devotion to Africa. The liberation of all people who are oppressed,like Lybia,and Hamas! They can do all the scrubing they want but they will never be able to scrub it out of the minds of most americans,and that is why Obama will never be president!

Posted by: russell | March 31, 2008, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm

@ DISTARDI
YOUR MATH IS JUST AS GOOD AS HILLARY CLINTONS. THE U.S.A. ONLY HAS 275,000,000.00. 240 PLUS 70 DOES NOT MAKE ANY SENSE THERE HILLARY…YOU SHOULD JOIN HER CAMPAIGN…AHHHH, WHATS 40 TO 80 MILLION PEOPLE. REALLY NO DIFFERENCE.LMAO

Posted by: heather | March 31, 2008, 4:53 pm 4:53 pm

All the preferencial treatment for Obama is done by Republicans. They want to teflon him now. And they will attack in the general election. Mark my words.

Posted by: ken | March 31, 2008, 4:55 pm 4:55 pm

Talking about doing anything to get elected. !!!
A little too late

Posted by: H4President | March 31, 2008, 4:56 pm 4:56 pm

No one is forcing them to scrub their website they are doing this on their own. If you cant stand behind what you preach then why even bother to preach it in the first place?
Maybe Wright just loved the sound of his voice or because he was preaching to people that love to listen to nonsense then donate a buck for more tripe, maybe that is how he kept the dollar rolling in give them talk that they would say wow he is a force to be reckoned with.
Its very cowardly now that the news is out that they go on a campaign to scrub their site, sure does not look like people that will stand up by their teachings or words, looks rather phony to me.

Posted by: SJ | March 31, 2008, 4:57 pm 4:57 pm

Obama’s church will be his Downfall.
No surprise that they would clean house for his benefit. He is nothing but Poll Driven Rhetoric.

Posted by: Tom H | March 31, 2008, 4:57 pm 4:57 pm

Hey Barack Hussein Obama:
GO RUN FOR THE PRESIDENT OF SOUTH AFRICA or some other AFRICAN nation, since that’s your main interest in life! All Black, All the Time…

Posted by: Dems for Mac | March 31, 2008, 4:57 pm 4:57 pm

THERE ARE NOT 240 MILLION WHITE IN AMERICA.NOPEYOU LOOK IT UP!

Posted by: HIM | March 31, 2008, 4:58 pm 4:58 pm

Obama’s church will be his Downfall.
No surprise that they would clean house for his benefit. He is nothing but Poll Driven Rhetoric.

Posted by: Tom H | March 31, 2008, 4:58 pm 4:58 pm

Lisa: Why is it that Obama himself never mentions these? Because you don’t have your facts straight.

Posted by: OKJester | March 31, 2008, 4:58 pm 4:58 pm

…and Kerry
I was there in NH …it wasn’t the media that created wghat he was like in the living rooms and how he lifted people there…and it wasn’t the media downplaying Clinton who was like a used car salesman in those same living rooms…
and the situation with Michigan and Florida is as bad as it is because you have a candidate who is playing up her “caring for the voters” and accusing the other nominee of not caring … but yet when it mattered she didn’t care about the voters when SHE AGREED that if they violated the rules they wouldn’t count…
Now she has manipulated it to look like she cares about the voters when everyone knows …including you…that she cares about the votes…not the voters…
…and in every state they had the same numbers before the candidates went tot hose states…and those numbers dramatically changed in everystate toward Obama… even if he lost the state the numbers changed anywhere from 15 to 20% in his favor after they met him
So it is your candidate who has acted so presidential and now manipulated the voting system so now there can’t be a fair election in those states.
Just like her… stand up for the people after when they needed you… the war, NAFTA, and the primaries…
and you wonder why the country is catching on (oy)… we don’t need someone whose judgement is based on her own political career and polling.

Posted by: dl | March 31, 2008, 4:58 pm 4:58 pm

Barack Obama’s Latest Pastor Problem: Anti-Gay Rev. James T. Meeks
Just as the dust surrounding Sen. Barack Obama’s long-term association with controversial minister Rev. Jeremiah Wright has begun to settle comes new reports of the democratic presidential hopeful’s connection to another racially divisive public figure—the stridently homophobic Rev. James T. Meeks, an Illinois state senator who also serves as the pastor of Chicago’s 22,000 member strong Salem Baptist Church.
Interestingly, the Chicago Sun Times has also reported that both Meeks and Obama share a history of substantial campaign contributions from indicted real estate magnate Tony Rezko.
Not only has Meeks himself served on Obama’s exploratory committee for the presidency and been listed on the Obama’s campaign website as one of the senator’s ‘influential black supporters’, but his church choir was called on to raise their voices in praise at a rally the night Obama announced his run for the White House back in 2007.
But the question remains: At what point must a candidate for the highest office in the United States be held accountable for the small coterie of individuals who make up his or her inner circle and potentially bear influence on his interpretation of the constitution? And at what point does the benefit of the doubt give way to guilt by association?
Moreover, how can a candidate cultivate a constituency like that of Rev. James Meek, essentially espousing a shared belief in their value system, become an effective and powerful advocate on behalf of issues like LGBT rights that run counter to fundamental agenda of that constituency without experiencing severe repercussions? The answer is he can’t.
Described in a 2004 Chicago Sun Times article as someone Barack Obama regularly seeks out for “spiritual counsel”, James Meeks, who will serve as an Obama delegate at the 2008 Democratic convention in Denver, is a long-time political ally to the democratic frontrunner.

Posted by: countallthevotes | March 31, 2008, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm

I’ll take a candidate embellishing her Bosnia trip – over this radical preacher who has guided Obama for the past 20 years.
Obama and Wright are wrong for America!

Posted by: JoseyJJ | March 31, 2008, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm

JOHN; WHEN CAUGHT BY THE MEDIA THEY GO TO JAIL!

Posted by: CHAOS | March 31, 2008, 5:00 pm 5:00 pm

Lisa:
Nobody has ever written 890 bills. Ever!

Posted by: Aston | March 31, 2008, 5:00 pm 5:00 pm

dl: Nor is he the best black to run! What about someone in the mainstream like Harold Ford! There are thousands of Black politicians who are committed and devoted to their country,and are not caught up in the socialist Theory of Black Liberation. Working class americans are not going to buy this and will opt for McCain! Even the black mayor of Philadelphia said that he would have left that church! Why has Obama not been back since this broke,no he went all the way to the Virgin Islands to avoid doing so! Why did they pull Wright from his speaking engagement?

Posted by: russell | March 31, 2008, 5:01 pm 5:01 pm

HIM:
Black persons, percent, 2006 (a) 12.8%
American Indian and Alaska Native persons, percent, 2006 (a) 1.0%
Asian persons, percent, 2006 (a) 4.4%
Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander, percent, 2006 (a) 0.2%
Persons reporting two or more races, percent, 2006 1.6%
Persons of Hispanic or Latino origin, percent, 2006 (b) 14.8%
White persons not Hispanic, percent, 2006 66.4%
So…um…there are more whites in the United States?
66% vs. 12 and 14 percents, get over it…
yea, I’d say so.

Posted by: Destardi1 | March 31, 2008, 5:01 pm 5:01 pm

As much as I hate to say it, McCain needs to go ahead and order curtains.

Posted by: BlueDog | March 31, 2008, 5:01 pm 5:01 pm

THOSE PEOPLE WHO KEEP SAYING THAT OBAMA SHOULD HAVE LEFT HIS CHURCH ARE OBVIOUSLY REMISS OF ONE IMPORTANT THING, AND THAT IS, THEY, IN THEIR MIND, HAVE ALREADY JUDGED AND CONDEMED OBAMA NO MATTER WHAT HE SAYS. OBAMA SAYS THAT HE NEVER HEARD THOSE INFLAMMATORY REMARKS WHILE IN ATTENDANCE (OF COURSE, THESE PEOPLE DO NOT WANT TO BELIEVE HIM). THEY JUDGE HIM BASED ON THOSE SOUND BITES THAT HAVE BEEN PLAYED AD NAUSEAM ON THE INTERNET. NOW, ARE THOSE SOUND BITES AND CLIPS, WHICH ARE A FEW MINUTES LONG, STRONG ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO CONDEMN A MAN WHO HAS ATTENDED THAT CHURCH FOR TWENTY YEARS? HOW CAN YOU MAKE SUCH GENERALIZATIONS BASED ON THESE CLIPS WHICH ARE ONLY A FEW MINUTES LONG? HOW CAN YOU CLOSE YOUR MINDS TO THE REALITY THAT YOU CAN NOT CONDEMN TWENTY YEARS OF RELIGIOUS PRATICE AND DEVOTION AND SIMPLY HEAR WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR, WHICH IS A FEW CLIPS THAT KEEP PLAYING AGAIN AND AGAIN. PLEASE, BE REAL. BE FAIR. HOW CAN YOU CALL INTO QUESTION THE INTEGRETY OF A MAN BASED ON A FEW MINUTES OF SOUND BITES? HOW CAN WE POSSIBLY CLAIM THAT WE ARE A CLEVER NATION WHILE ACTING IN SUCH A NARROW-MINDED WAY?

Posted by: REALIST | March 31, 2008, 5:01 pm 5:01 pm

“For those of you who are just weary of the primary, and feeling kind of ground down or that it’s like a Bataan death march, I just want everybody to know that the future is bright.” – Obama
Obama mocks American soldiers held as POWs during WW2! Thousands died of starvation!!
Please God – save us from Oblahma!

Posted by: JoseyJJ | March 31, 2008, 5:02 pm 5:02 pm

countallthevotes:
I agree with what you said. But, I still don’t think MI and FL votes should be counted. Those states did it to themselves and shouldn’t be pardoned. Rules are rules.

Posted by: Aston | March 31, 2008, 5:03 pm 5:03 pm

Can someone look at the FEC Web site and explain to me why Senator Obama is running ads in PA that indicate he doesn”t take money from energy corporations or PACs?
I see numerous contributions from PACs and one from Chesapeake Energy Corp. According to their Web site, they are the “largest independent producer and third-largest overall producer of natural gas in the United States.”
Am I misunderstanding the Federal Election Commissions Web site or does it appear Senator Obama is “mis-speaking” in his ads?

Posted by: Question Everyone | March 31, 2008, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm

Obama just can’t decide what or who he is. He was eager to claim his affinity to this church when he wanted to state his devotion to his Christian conversion, but when controversy arises, he’s out the door. He claims he would have left if Wright didn’t, but yet he was there as an “active member” for 20 years? Give me a break. Did Wright suddenly become controversial this year? Even so, Obama claims to be a follower of Christ and that he and his family are active members of this church. Yet on his tax return, he gave a measly $5000 to his church out of his million dollar salary. Last time I checked, faithful Christians were obedient by giving their TITHE, which is the first 10% of their income to the local church. I guess he couldn’t part with 10% of a million. He settled for 1/2%. It sounds like Obama just makes up his faith as he goes along. How can his supporters trust him. He may say what they want to hear right now, but he’s sure to change his mind as soon as it becomes inconvenient to stick to what he originally said. Just wait.

Posted by: Melissa | March 31, 2008, 5:05 pm 5:05 pm

After reading through these rather horrible blogs at ABC again, I feel stronger than ever that Barack Obama together with the many millions of good Americans from all ages and races are fighting in this election for the very SOUL of our nation, which is the most and intensely patriotic thing anyone in our has done since the days of the Kennedy brothers and Martin Luther King.
And the most wonderful thing about America in 2008 is that this remarkable messenger of change we wholeheartedly believe in is actually WINNING.
All the mud and the dirt and the kitchen sick his opponents throw at him stick to his opponents… That is the true sign of the true and truthful reformer of a hate and fear ridden country.

Posted by: Marietta | March 31, 2008, 5:05 pm 5:05 pm

OBAMA KNOWS FARRAHKAN VERY WELL.
THE NATION OF ISLAM HAS THE STRONGEST HOLD IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE ALL OF THESE RADICALS LIVE.
Posted by: stella | Mar 31, 2008 4:50:23 PM
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Everyone know of farrakhan even i , Doesn’t mean I know him.If farakhan was close to obama then why did Farrakhan try to SABOTAGE HIM with his PUBLIC ENDORSEMENT.
Farrakhan knew all along.. the MINUTE he open his mouth to ever support obama , he would be doing him GREAT HARM.Yet that didn’t stop farrakhan from going ahead, knowing very well of the backlash.
COMMON SENSE people if Obama was in CAHOOTS with any of these people. They would be HUSH HUSH and sent FAR FAR AWAY til after the election.But as you can see everyone one is a free agent looking for AIRTIME.

Posted by: BDL | March 31, 2008, 5:05 pm 5:05 pm

Keep the Wright thing going……..It has done NOTHING to Obama because Clinton people have actually found things on everyone BUT Obama..Ha Ha
Please keep this going while we keep our delegate lead into the DNC!!! Also keep tauting at Obama being a terrorist….lol

Posted by: enaudnella | March 31, 2008, 5:05 pm 5:05 pm

If obamination happens, Hillary supporters will make sure there will be a McCain landslide. Even Hillary has no say in this.

Posted by: sickandtired | March 31, 2008, 5:06 pm 5:06 pm

REALIST; IS THIS HOW YOU WOULD FEEL IF MCCAIN ATTENDED A CHURCH FOR 20 YEARS THAT TAUGHT HATRED?

Posted by: CHAOS | March 31, 2008, 5:07 pm 5:07 pm

Obama created a narrative of LIES about his father’s connection to the Kennedys.
WaPost easily exposed the lies with tons of AVAILABLE documentation!
Hillary embellished her Bosnia trip and the video aired 24/7.
There are videos of Obama telling this lie over and over at rallies and speeches.
But don’t look for it in our pro-Obama media.

Posted by: JoseyJJ | March 31, 2008, 5:08 pm 5:08 pm

Oprahma has so many in America fooled and it will be a very sad day for America should he get the Presidential nod in November. He makes ‘slick Willy’ look like a choir boy. The ‘Black Value System’? Are you kidding me? That sounds pretty racially biased to me. And for those that think they know all about Farrakhan; ahem, if the truth about this dude were really known and in the open, there would be an uproar. Some are very good at hiding and scrubbing the truth. I worked with a couple of guys that used to go to Farrakhan’s ‘sermons’ in Deetroit in the early 1990′s and they would come back and tell me what his ‘program’ was all about and his particular brand of ‘value system’. If a Caucasian said the things about other ethnic groups this guy allegedly said about Caucasians, he would be vilified, crucified, and urged to ‘get on the bike’. How dare any ethnic group openly vilify ALL Caucasians and blame them solely for all the racial problems in this country? Racism resides in the hearts and minds of humans; it has nothing whatsoever to do with the relative pigmentation of one’s skin. Translation: All human’s are capable and hardly immune to racism; ‘selective idealism’ by specific ethnic groups does not work for me and is a complete sham. If one states that they stand ‘against racism’ they should stand against ALL racism, not just ‘some specific’ racism. Alas, the special interest groups seem interested in protecting only themselves and to hell with everyone else.

Posted by: TheRockofAges | March 31, 2008, 5:08 pm 5:08 pm

We all must thank the good lord for WEB ARCHIVE SEARCHES.
The Trinity Church site AND the Barackobama.com site have both been periodically scrubbed to remove embarrassing historical truths.
Thank you Jake for covering this and for doing some reporting on the active conspiracy to cover up Obama’s past.

Posted by: Rene | March 31, 2008, 5:08 pm 5:08 pm

IF HILLARY IS GOING TO WIN WHY DOES OBAMA HAVE A 10 POINT LEAD OVER HER IN THE NATIONAL POLLS? IF MCCAIN IS GOING TO BEAT OBAMA , WHY DOES OBAMA EARN 5 TIMES WHAT MCCAIN EARNS? AND MCCAIN TAKES MONEY FROM BIG CORP.

Posted by: HIM | March 31, 2008, 5:09 pm 5:09 pm

Aston: Why don’t you just say your voting for Obama and you know that if MI and FL were seated Hillary would surpass Obama. That’s why Obama didn’t want a revote. He was afraid of losing. Howard Dean endorsed Obama and he knows Hillary would be ahead so he’s not going to let them be seated. Howard Dean is a rat and should be hung by the tail. Nance Pelosi should not be elected again. She’s a mess. A no nothing do nothing house speaker. You need to wake up.

Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | March 31, 2008, 5:09 pm 5:09 pm

New minister new rules

Posted by: PDC | March 31, 2008, 5:10 pm 5:10 pm

“You may write me down in history
With your bitter, twisted lies,
You may trod me in the very dirt
But still, like dust, I’ll rise.
This is not the first time you have seen Hillary Clinton seemingly at her wits end, but she has always risen, always risen, much to the dismay of her adversaries and the delight of her friends.
Hillary Clinton will not give up on you and all she asks of you is that you do not give up on her.
There is a world of difference between being a woman and being an old female. If you’re born a girl, grow up, and live long enough, you can become an old female. But, to become a woman is a serious matter. A woman takes responsibility for the time she takes up and the space she occupies.
Hillary Clinton is a woman. She has been there and done that and has still risen. She is in this race for the long haul. She intends to make a difference in our country.
She is the prayer of every woman and man who long for fair play, healthy families, good schools, and a balanced economy.
She declares she wants to see more smiles in the families, more courtesies between men and women, more honesty in the marketplace. Hillary Clinton intends to help our country to what it can become.
She means to rise.
She means to help our country rise. Don’t give up on her, ever.
In fact, if you help her to rise, you will rise with her and help her make this country a wonderful, wonderful place where every man and every woman can live freely without sanctimonious piety, without crippling fear.
Rise Hillary.
Rise. ”
Maya Angelou
Thank you Maya for some words of wisdom !!

Posted by: jimbo | March 31, 2008, 5:11 pm 5:11 pm

Who’s scrubbing the site? Gee, I wonder. But I thought we could no more scrub away the race-baiting demagoguery of our 20-year spiritual mentors than we could scrub away the previously unpublicized private utterances of our grandmothers?

Posted by: Judasmac | March 31, 2008, 5:11 pm 5:11 pm

only Senator Clinton is capable of withstanding the blistering attack campaign that will inevitably take place against the eventual Democratic nominee

Posted by: chris | March 31, 2008, 5:12 pm 5:12 pm

YEAH!! for Jake Tapper! Please put this information on the FRONT PAGE of ABCNEWS! Please! Voters have a right to know this about Barack Obama’s church!

Posted by: arlan59 | March 31, 2008, 5:12 pm 5:12 pm

Obama may not have been present for Wright’s hatemongering and racist sermons – but he could have read the Trumpet!
Still waiting for Wright to apologize for his racist remark about Hillary FROM THE PULPIT.
Obama? chirp, chirp

Posted by: JoseyJJ | March 31, 2008, 5:12 pm 5:12 pm

HIM | Mar 31, 2008 5:09:31 PM
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How old are you??!!! Many losers like Dukakis led by more than 10 points for months but lost the general election. Obama has a very similar loser profile.

Posted by: dem | March 31, 2008, 5:12 pm 5:12 pm

Paula: I don’t give a rats behind! Notice one thing you did not and cannot say and that is that she does not love her country!

Posted by: russell | March 31, 2008, 5:14 pm 5:14 pm

hey dem stay with the program we are talking about hillary vs obama not general election sorryi cannot sound languaghe it out for you.

Posted by: reality | March 31, 2008, 5:14 pm 5:14 pm

This is not about RACE, but about Sen. Obama the person. I question his judgment. If he could be fooled by a hateful church for 20 years, I hate to think who else could fool him IF he is the President. Or maybe he is not fool at all. Maybe he believed in Rev. Wright’s message? Maybe America is the only fool here? How could such a man even be mention as being the President of the United States.

Posted by: flex6100 | March 31, 2008, 5:15 pm 5:15 pm

IN ALL THE CHURCHES I’VE ATTENDED FUNERALS WEDDINGS SUNDAY MORNINGS ETC.. I’VE NEVER HEARD 1 THING THAT I HAVE FOUND TO BE CONSIDERED HATRED, SOMETIMES IT ‘S DIFFERNET FROM MY THINKING BUT NOT HATRED

Posted by: CHAOS | March 31, 2008, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm

jimbo:
Now if only Hillary can inspire like Maya, then maybe Barack might have a reason for concern…..

Posted by: tony | March 31, 2008, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm

I like the fact that Hillary fans are quoting Maya Angelou’s contribution to her site.
Maya Angelou and Jeremiah Wright are friends; two days ago Wright made his surprise appearance and spoke during a meeting in honor of Maya’s birthday. AFAIK it has been all over the news.

Posted by: Harriet | March 31, 2008, 5:19 pm 5:19 pm

Him: It’s state by state polls that count now not national polls. Remember all the polls that said that she would lose N.H.,CA,NJ,TX,OH. Those that live by the polls die by the polls,just ask John Kerry!

Posted by: russell | March 31, 2008, 5:19 pm 5:19 pm

Lisa: Obama passed or authored none of these bills
For example:
** Obama Passed Amendments To The Senate’s 2006 Immigration Bill That Would Have Established An Employment Verification System And Protected American Workers From Losing Jobs To Guest Workers.
dint become a law…and is not even worth the paper on which it was proposed….by the way Senator Arlen Specter proposed this bill.

Posted by: MattOhio | March 31, 2008, 5:19 pm 5:19 pm

So, let me get this straight. Obama’s retired minister’s daughter ran a magazine which ran a positive article on Louis Farakhan. Now that the retired minister is retiring and replaced by a new minister, the link has been removed.
SCANDAL!
I can’t think of more of a non-story, a sorry excuse to keep the oversimplified Wright story alive. Pathetic. Absolutely pathetic.

Posted by: Bob | March 31, 2008, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm

Maya Angelou’s poem for Senator Clinton speaks to the kind of support Senator Clinton has and what her work on behalf of others has meant to many….

Posted by: chris | March 31, 2008, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm

I WANT TO SEE THE OUTRAGE TOMMORROW WHEN WE HEAR ABOUT THE NEXT CATHOLIC PRIEST MOLESTING A BOY. I WANT TO SEE THAT STORY PLAYED OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER….WHO KNOWS MAYBE IT WILL CATCH ON ..IF NOT WHO CARES WE WILL JUST PLAY IT OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGIAN . BECAUSE IF YOU DIDNT GET IT THE FIRST 10 MILLION TIMES WE WILL MAKE SURE YOU HEAR IT 10 MILLION MORE. I MEAN IF I KEEP TELLING MY KIDS BLUE IS ACTUALLY GREEN AFTER 20 OR 30 YEARS OF SAYING THAT I BET MY KIDS WOULD THNIK BLUE WAS ACTUALLY GREEN.

Posted by: OVER AND OVER AGAIN | March 31, 2008, 5:21 pm 5:21 pm

tony…..Senator Clinton inspired Maya to write the poem in the first place

Posted by: chris | March 31, 2008, 5:22 pm 5:22 pm

I ask that people consider re-reading all 10 of those points, but substitute the word “white” in it. That should be the acid-test about whether it’s racist or not. I think a different picture will emerge. Lastly, if it is unapologetic, then why remove it?

Posted by: Adam Smith | March 31, 2008, 5:22 pm 5:22 pm

Great reporting — the past is CRITICAL to understanding the real B. Hussein Ob/s/ama. Removing REAL information from hsi websites and those associated with him is nothing more than whitewash.
BUT — there is more to know:
TRACE THE MONEY — WHO funded OBlammies foray into the race in the first place?
Was he being funded by Al Qaieda? By arab oil? By Resko and associates?
THAT is also key information required to understand this candidate.

Posted by: Snotty | March 31, 2008, 5:22 pm 5:22 pm

If this is really important, please investigate Hillary’s church (if she has one), find out what they believe in and whether it condones the lies that she has told repeatedly about Bosnia, and her other “achievements.:

Posted by: Mike | March 31, 2008, 5:22 pm 5:22 pm

i don’t know about anyone else, but I do know that Senator Clinton has inspired me to support her because I KNOW that she will be the best President for my son…..no one else gives me the same confidence in their abilities to do what is best for my child, all of our children, our troops and America

Posted by: chris | March 31, 2008, 5:23 pm 5:23 pm

Barack Obama isn’t African American.
He is BIRACIAL.
We want to elect the FIRST BIRACIAL PRESIDENT, IT IS NOT THE FIRST AFRICAN AMERICAN PRESIDENT.

Posted by: John | March 31, 2008, 5:24 pm 5:24 pm

Hey HARRIET:
Angelou has been a STRONG supoorter of Hillary’s since the beginning…..MAYA’S Choice IS HILLARY….
Not to mention Oprah LOVES Maya….and Wright went to see MAYA, because HE respects HER….MAYA did NOT go to see Wright……

Posted by: Sharon | March 31, 2008, 5:24 pm 5:24 pm

Senator Clinton has survived over 14 years of blistering attacks on her character, her personal life and her family, yet she is still here, mentally stronger than ever……only she can win in November…..

Posted by: chris | March 31, 2008, 5:25 pm 5:25 pm

I think what really floors me here, is in reading all of the posts here, most people who support Hillary are atacking Obama the person when they’ve never met him, and the Obama supporters are only pointing out the problems with Hillary’s postitions and supposed credentials.
That’s Hillary-ous.
The simple facts of the matter are these…
One, that most women are supporting Hillary, NOT because they actually ebleive that she alone can make a difference, but because they believe that a vote agains Hillary is a vote against all women everywhere. that’s why so many bring up the race issue… that way they can accuse Obama’s team of the tactics they themselves are engaging in.
Good grief Charlotte Brown.

Posted by: James in Idaho | March 31, 2008, 5:26 pm 5:26 pm

JOHN, THATS TOO SIMPLE FOR THESE THICK HEADED PEOPLE. ITS A SAFE BET TO JUST SAY HES BLACK IT WORKS BETTER FOR THEIR BS HEARSAY THEY LIKE TO LIVE BYE INSTEAD OF FACTS..NICE TO SEE SOMEONE WITH A BRAIN.

Posted by: TY JOHN | March 31, 2008, 5:27 pm 5:27 pm

#######################################
Come election time if REV Wright is the reason people lost their JOBs , HOMES ,have a mess up environment and not forgetting the economy and i can go on , be my guest vote in Bush part 2.
But with bush being elected not once but twice it tells me American VOTERS are like children , they can easily be distracted by sideshows; And end up electing morons that end up ruining the ECONOMY.. and wonder why things are the way it is.
Obama wants to take the TRILLIONS we are waisting on a unnecessary war; and GIVE it to STATES’ to fix the job crisis, fix the Healthcare system ,failing Schools, fixing the infrastruture like bridges and roads, and let not forget the ever polluted environment.
So go ahead america keep electing MORONS.I will sit back and have a good laugh. dont come crying.. you make your bed now sleep in it.

Posted by: mikeymike | March 31, 2008, 5:27 pm 5:27 pm

Look at all the heat that this has generated on this blog! Obama supporters think that this is going away? Well just think what a few well place ads are going to do this fall and watch the smoke rise. The Obama rocket is going to burn up on reentry, while McCain makes a safe landing!

Posted by: russell | March 31, 2008, 5:27 pm 5:27 pm

Oprah stood by that fake book/autobiography. She will not have a problem standing by Obama.

Posted by: John | March 31, 2008, 5:27 pm 5:27 pm

carolinanc….how dare you speak that way about those who have died for the right to have equality! MLK, JFK,andRFK are heros. You have a nerve to say the only reason the are demed heros is because they were assanated! They are heros because they believed that all men are created equal and fought for that cause! Yes, they died for that cause also, so dismiss them as heros only becasue they died!

Posted by: Emilianna | March 31, 2008, 5:27 pm 5:27 pm

Operation chaos continues

Posted by: John | March 31, 2008, 5:28 pm 5:28 pm

countallthevotes comment is worth everyones time to read again. As a gay man I’m sick that the gay community still supports Obama and makes little mention of his associations as an issue for the media. My belief in gay causes ends with healthcare issues. In politics and faith concerns we take Obama’s word as if it’s beyond questioning.

Posted by: kenny from ct. | March 31, 2008, 5:28 pm 5:28 pm

Jake Tapper is a great reporter. keep it up!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: jane simmons | March 31, 2008, 5:30 pm 5:30 pm

@ James in Idaho
More African Americans and women are supporting obama than women are supporting Hillary.
NICE TRY THOUGH!

Posted by: John | March 31, 2008, 5:30 pm 5:30 pm

flex6100: I like your comments and they are so right. Many of the white people are the fools for voting for him in the first place like MN and WI. I was certainy surprised that he won those states. White people have to wake up before we get a racist in the white house and believe me he is a racist. The national polls are hyped up to make people think Hillary cannot make it. The media are pulling tricks with the polls. They were running 45% neck and neck a few days ago so it couldn’t climb that fast.

Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | March 31, 2008, 5:31 pm 5:31 pm

“Look at all the heat that this has generated on this blog! Obama supporters think that this is going away? Well just think what a few well place ads are going to do this fall and watch the smoke rise. The Obama rocket is going to burn up on reentry, while McCain makes a safe landing!”
well… Obama rising in the polls again to a double digit lead over Clinton tells me a lot more about the impact of the Wright story than the desperate simpletons who gather their frustration over Barack Obama’s succes in this hilarious thread.

Posted by: ken | March 31, 2008, 5:31 pm 5:31 pm

Senator Clinton will embarrass mccain in every debate they have

Posted by: chris | March 31, 2008, 5:31 pm 5:31 pm

WHEN I READ THESE BLOGS MOST OF WHAT IM READING IS ABOUT SOME DUMMY WHO CHOSE TO SAY SOMETHING THAT “CAN” BE TAKING AS HATRED. COMPARING THIS TO HILLARY’S NEGATIVE RECORD AND BEING WEAK ENOUGH TO STAY WITH HER CHEATING HUSBAND IS CRAZY ONLY IN AMERICA CAN PEOPLE COMPARE 2 PEOPLE TO 1 PERSON. FAIR HA? THE AMERICAN WAY…ASK BUSH AND GORE!

Posted by: yes | March 31, 2008, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm

whereas obama runs the risk of seeming condescending with his height advantage and youthful appearance when contrasted with mccain

Posted by: chris | March 31, 2008, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm

Oh… this is rich. So all the Obama supporter is supporting Obama because they hated Bush and believed Clinton had side with the devil. If that is the only reason you’re supporting Sen. Obama, then you’re a moron. I’m telling people why I don’t support Sen. Obama because of Sen. Obama the person, not because of what someone else is doing.

Posted by: flex6100 | March 31, 2008, 5:33 pm 5:33 pm

I predicted that much of the material from the website would be removed. I am SO glad that I saw it prior to the removal, because I will not vote for Obama.

Posted by: savethemiddleclass | March 31, 2008, 5:33 pm 5:33 pm

IM SURE BUSH HAS SUPPORTING WEBSITES AS WELL AS THIS ONE AND WE ALL CAN SEE HOW HES FAIRING THESE DAYS SO YOU IDIOTS KEEP TALKING ABOUT NONSENSE TO EACHOTHER AND THE REST OF THE AMERICAN PUBLIC WILL DO WHAT ITS BEEN DOING ….IGNORING YOU. I MEAN MCCAINS FUNDRAISING IS EVIDENT TO THIS POINT..

Posted by: sarah | March 31, 2008, 5:34 pm 5:34 pm

According to the Federal Election Commission (FEC)’s database, Rev. Jeremiah Wright donated $1,000 to Obama’s 2004 Senate campaign. Yet, Obama claims his relationship is an innocent spiritual guidance type of relationship. This donation establishes a clear POLITICAL link between Wright and Obama. Isn’t it a little weird too? How many political candidates have their pastors/reverends/priests contribute to their campaigns?? lol. Lastly — imagine the uproar if the head of JFK’s church donated to his campaign, given the fears about the first Catholic president; or if the head of Mitt Romney’s Mormon church gave Romney such a donation….. Hmmmm. Why won’t the media report this $1,000 contribution story? It’s a big deal.

Posted by: Seabright Cooley | March 31, 2008, 5:37 pm 5:37 pm

@ John
I Wrote… “The simple facts of the matter are these…
One, that most women are supporting Hillary, NOT because they actually ebleive that she alone can make a difference, but because they believe that a vote agains Hillary is a vote against all women everywhere. that’s why so many bring up the race issue… that way they can accuse Obama’s team of the tactics they themselves are engaging in.”
So my quesiton to you is… nice try at what?
When I said most women, I didn’t mean and did not imply that most women in America are supporting Barak Obama, what I meant and what I said was, that Of the women voting for Hillary… get it? and that’ fact. Dont’ believe me? Check out the roseanneworld.com forums. In nearly every post you see people not voting for Hillary, but voting for a woman, because they believe, as Sally Field said… if women were in charge there would be no wars, which we all know is a disingenuous crock of poo.
So, no, not a nice try… solid facts.
Sorry kiddo.

Posted by: James in Idaho | March 31, 2008, 5:37 pm 5:37 pm

MAN THIS FUN. GOODBYE FOR NOW GOTTA GET TO WORK. REALIST AND HIM I DIDN’T HEAR BACK. SOMETHING WRONG?

Posted by: CHAOS | March 31, 2008, 5:40 pm 5:40 pm

@ James
Hillary is getting the “blue collar vote” , people who are worried about the economy, is that demographic made up of mostly women?

Posted by: John | March 31, 2008, 5:40 pm 5:40 pm

The Obama supporters talking points about this issue are:
1 You can’t judge someone by another person’s actions.
2 Sermons were taken out of context.
3 What Wright said was true.
The point is that he has belonged to an “unashamedly black” church that pledges its allegiance to Africa for the last 20 years. I wouldn’t vote for someone that belongs to a white separatist church, so why would I vote for someone that belongs to a black separatist church.
He can’t claim to be uniter while attending a separatist church. Sorry.

Posted by: Mack | March 31, 2008, 5:40 pm 5:40 pm

Kevin-
Barack Obama is running for POTUS, which means if he wins, he will be CiC.
He is running in large part on his judgment- in particular the judgment that he opposed the Iraq war from the beginning.
What I want to know is, is opposing war his default position? What did he say about going to war in Afghanistan *before we went*. It would help us all understand just how good his judgment is.
His minister seems to have very strong views on war and the ME. I don’t know specifically which views Obama agrees or disagrees with, because Obama won’t tell us. I’ll take whatever clues I can get to gain insight into Obama.

Posted by: MayBee | March 31, 2008, 5:42 pm 5:42 pm

This line of conspiracy theory is ridiculous. Trinity UCC is in a transitional phase, turning to the leadership of their new pastor. As person who works in a church myself, the idea that Obama is “behind” changes made to the website is ridiculous. As good of a politician as he is, even he could not negotiate that kind of change in “church politics.”

Posted by: Joshua | March 31, 2008, 5:42 pm 5:42 pm

I AGREE WITH THIS:
“Jake Tapper is a great reporter. keep it up!!!!!!!!!!”

Posted by: Jackson | March 31, 2008, 5:42 pm 5:42 pm

Ed Mitril:
Obama is an empty suit. Get over it!

Posted by: Aston | March 31, 2008, 5:43 pm 5:43 pm

I guess the truth hurts.

Posted by: Mack | March 31, 2008, 5:44 pm 5:44 pm

Hillary supporters don’t care that Hillary is a woman, all we care about is her SOLUTIONS!

Posted by: John | March 31, 2008, 5:44 pm 5:44 pm

So much for the exercise of Freedom of Speech and Religious Liberty. Just another example of being two-faced. Rev Wright is a political-religious figure for Blacks in his area. He took on the position of going beyond his calling. He lost his way and used his position and authority for personal exercise. Nothing more….

Posted by: Mark, Florida | March 31, 2008, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm

lets see,Bill & Hill paying fair again?
Media, dredging up more on a story about racism? This is old news getting older. We’ve moved on to the issues,why can’t you? I’d remove the sight to if I knew it was going to be used to divide people. The fact is Obama is as much a racist as Hill & Bill. The most segregated time in Ameirca is Sunday Morning..

Posted by: savoymt | March 31, 2008, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm

isin’t that convient? eh?

Posted by: sokadija | March 31, 2008, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm

John: Your wrong. Obama is getting 98% of the black votes and the majority of the white male votes. Besides that Africa Americans are blacks that came from Africa and became citizens of this country. Blacks that are born and raised here and their parents were born and raised here are Americans but black Their decent is African. I don’t know why a lot of college students don’t know their history.

Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | March 31, 2008, 5:46 pm 5:46 pm

YOU PEOPLE JUST KEEP MAKING MY POINTS FOR ME…LOL…… HEY (MAYBE) DO YOU HAVE A T.V.. THE MAN NOT ONLY MADE A 40MINUTE SPEECH ON HIS VIEWS BUT HE HAS CONTINUOUSLY TOLD US “EXACTLY” HOW HE FEELS ….TURN THE HEARING AID UP OR CALL YOUR LOCAL CABLE PROVIDER. YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY VERY UNINFORMED

Posted by: @@@@MayBe | March 31, 2008, 5:47 pm 5:47 pm

Jake,
Thank you for publishing this. I cannot believe that anyone thinks the images of Pastor Wright’s hatred for white people and the U.S.A. is going to go away. I WILL NEVER FORGET. And I think the vivid memory of it will be reflected in the votes in Pennsylvania.
Gee, Obama, if the church is so swell, why would you have to erase any evidence off of the website. NOT OKAY!!

Posted by: Katie | March 31, 2008, 5:48 pm 5:48 pm

JAMES IN IDAHO IS MY HERO I COULD NOT HAVE SAID IT ANY BETTER AND I THINK ON THAT NOTE IM GOING TO LEAVE THESE WANNA BE REPUBLICANS TO THEIR NEW AGE BS.

Posted by: JAMES IN IDAHO FOR VP | March 31, 2008, 5:50 pm 5:50 pm

“He can’t claim to be uniter while attending a separatist church. Sorry.”
This sentence says it all. Thank you for putting it so perfectly.

Posted by: katie1263 | March 31, 2008, 5:53 pm 5:53 pm

Chris:
then perhaps Maya should be inspired by Obama to write a poem…..

Posted by: tony | March 31, 2008, 5:53 pm 5:53 pm

@ John
John wrote…”@ James
Hillary is getting the “blue collar vote” , people who are worried about the economy, is that demographic made up of mostly women?”
No John That is a presumption of the media. Again, you are screwing up what i said, and then commenting on your own screw up. I said most of the women who are voting for Hillary are doing so because she is a woman, and not because she has Solutions. they feel that if anyone votes against Hillary it is a vote against women and not just a vote against Hilary… as an example I posted the name of a website where this commonly hap-pens. get it now?

Posted by: James in Idaho | March 31, 2008, 5:53 pm 5:53 pm

“He can’t claim to be uniter while attending a separatist church. Sorry.”
Of COurse he can. Just because he entertains a thought doesn’t mean he has to accept it.

Posted by: James in Idaho | March 31, 2008, 5:55 pm 5:55 pm

I happen to think Rev. Wright is right about a lot of what he says — his race critique of our country is pretty accurate. And I happen to be a white, liberal female who supports Hillary. I also happen to want a Democrat elected this November, which is why I am SO GRATEFUL to Jake Tapper and the handful of journalists who are following up on Obama’s church so that other liberal democrats can think about it before the 10 remaining primaries. Not because his church is wrong, but because a lot of Democrats who vote think it’s wrong. And a lot of them listen to right wing radio because it’s the only talk radio in their media markets. And the storyline they’ve got going on Obama and Michelle is devasting for the general election. So all you other white liberals out there who are shouting down any one who utters an unkind word about Obama are, frankly, short-sighted and stupid. You need to let this conversation reach its conclusion before our primaries are over — regardless of the outcome. We need to know if Obama can survive it. I don’t know what personal gratification you get from supporting Obama, but your feelings of virtuousness or whatever it is are NOT more important than getting a Democrat in the White House. Please dust off your objectivity hats, pipe down, and give it some thought. Thanks.

Posted by: Annie | March 31, 2008, 5:55 pm 5:55 pm

@ james in idaho…
roflol
he has lied about…
his role in his community leadership job
hes lied about how his parents met
hes lied about the kennedys helping his dad come to america
and on personal attacks:
quit kidding yourself… he always tries to allude to Monica Lewinsky like a republican would do, his camp accused bill clinton of mccarthyism, he tried to blame the passport fiasco on hillary when it was one of his advisor’s fault, and he’s attacked hillary’s character and judgment.
thanks for the laughs!

Posted by: John | March 31, 2008, 5:57 pm 5:57 pm

Does Obama Favor Slavery “Reparations?”
AIM Column | By Cliff Kincaid | March 26, 2008
A reparations plan for blacks could extract several trillion dollars from American taxpayers’ pockets.
Barrack Obama’s pastor not only spews anti-American rhetoric from the pulpit but favors shaking down U.S. taxpayers for “reparations” for slavery. The Reverend Dr. Jeremiah Wright was the keynote speaker at the 2007 annual conference of N’COBRA, which stands for the National Coalition of Blacks for Reparations in America.
Wright’s talk, “A Call for Justice and Repair,” followed a statement in which he declared that “The Biblical principle of true repentance is that the offended party is given compensation to make up for that which has been stolen from them, the losses that have been inflicted upon them and their families.

A reparations plan for blacks could extract several trillion dollars from American taxpayers’ pockets.
But Wright isn’t the only controversial member of Obama’s church. Dr. Iva Carruthers, who describes herself as an active member of the church, is an outspoken advocate of reparations for blacks and was a participant in N’COBRA’s 2004 conference.
Carruthers was identified, along with Wright, as a member of Obama’s African American Religious Leadership Committee. Wright has since been dropped from the group. But Carruthers is sometimes referred to as a spokesman for Wright and works with him closely.
Indeed, Carruthers may be even more controversial, especially on the issue of reparations. She wrote The Church and Reparations―An African American Perspective, which was reportedly “distributed by her denomination” at the 2001 U.N. World Conference Against Racism, Racial Discrimination, Xenophobia and Related Intolerance. The conference was considered so extreme that the U.S. delegation, led by then-Secretary of State Colin Powell, walked out.
Not only are members of his church involved in the reparations movement; Obama is said to have been politically close to former Chicago Alderman Dorothy Jean Wright Tillman, who led an effort by the Chicago City Council to demand reparations for slavery. “Chicago has become the de facto center of the slavery reparations movement,” noted a journalist for the far-left In These Times.

Posted by: cindy | March 31, 2008, 5:59 pm 5:59 pm

@ james
feminists and other women in general have said they don’t vote for hillary.
african americans on the other hand support obama up to 90%

Posted by: John | March 31, 2008, 6:00 pm 6:00 pm

THATS ALL THEY KNOW JOHN IF YOURLOOKING LEFT YOU CAN NOT SEE RIGHT

Posted by: HEATHER | March 31, 2008, 6:00 pm 6:00 pm

It is not uncommon for organizations, including churches to amend or change their focus with new leadership. I have read through the website and find nothing offensive to what is being taught. It is no different if you went to the Morman church. Their doctrine is build much the same on self identification an self help. Yet, there is no one getting carrie away about them. But of course, Mit Romney is no longer a candidate!

Posted by: William | March 31, 2008, 6:01 pm 6:01 pm

Excellent counter-point Katie
There is no comparison!

Posted by: MC | March 31, 2008, 6:05 pm 6:05 pm

How anyone could not see that Obama is “damaged goods” is beyond me. As a lifelong dem and white male, I’ll likely be voting red for the first time in my life once the DCCC and the press complete their joint anointment of Obama.

Posted by: Jeff in Louisville | March 31, 2008, 6:05 pm 6:05 pm

Obama Supporter who stated “People please use common sense, It and a firm belief in GOD will really get you far in these dangerous times”.
If you think that being radically in favor of live birth abortions (killing babies after they are born) and partial birth abortions of 100% viable babies (even most dems are against this) is consistent with a firm belief in God, please for your own soul search a little deeper. These are firm beliefs of Obama–and ironically, his argument was to keep them from having rights so even a live born baby could be killed without consequence–the same exact rationale used to continue slavery, as well as abuse and kill slaves, without consequence, pre-civil war. Ironic isn’t it.

Posted by: Joe | March 31, 2008, 6:07 pm 6:07 pm

Obama = liar = racist = corrupted politician = Tony Rezko’s friend for 20 years = Rev Wright’s pupil for 20 years = Rev Wright’s “nephew” for 20 years

Posted by: truthandfair | March 31, 2008, 6:07 pm 6:07 pm

@ Katie Cruz,
and classy women don’t bring up other women’s personal relationship problems to use as an attack… There is a word for women who go there and it isn’t much better than what they would call Monica.

Posted by: Elle | March 31, 2008, 6:08 pm 6:08 pm

There is in my opinion a big difference between misquoting or if you want to call it lying about an incident in Bosnia regarding sniper fire than sitting in a church that has hatred in their sermons. It is the same as in a cult culture, the more you hear it the more you believe and practice it. If BO had only been in the company of Mr. Wright then I could say that he possibly did not think in the same manner but his company includes some shady characters with the same beliefs, to me that is an indicator of how he feels about America and white America. Twist it, shut it out of your mind and try to forget it but actions speak louder than words. Yes we did bomb cities in Japan, did we ask to get in that war, no, did we lost thousands of lives yes, did we have to stop the enemy yes, whether it was right or wrong how it was done, America and its people had to be protected. African American women are abused and raped as are so many other women in different races; but, to mock the lost of a young woman that has never been found and whose mother can not lay her to rest because the media continuosly carried the story is callous and cold. In my opinion Hillary’s sins are far less than those of someone who calls this Mr. Wright a mentor.

Posted by: cmt | March 31, 2008, 6:08 pm 6:08 pm

@ John
“@ james
feminists and other women in general have said they don’t vote for hillary.
african americans on the other hand support obama up to 90%”
REALLY?! Got a link? Look man, I understand the local CNN thing is going on, but come on man. I’m not talking about some amorphous feminist block here I’m talking about those who claim to be feminsits and yet go way overboard [dare I say extremist] in their views of what feminism means, speaking out against arocities against women, and yet have never experienced such atrocity, and yet speak as if they have. These are some of the same people who support Hillary, NOT because of the solutions she presents, solutions by the way not so diffferent from Obama’s His pastor set aside … for this second… but because a vote agsinst Hillary is an attack on women in their eyes.
So while the genereal feminist population, the original population that was looking for equal rights and not a reversal of roles, are making informed and still independant decisions, the new femisism Strongly supports Hillary for all the wrong resaons and when ever their called on their own form of favoritism and tokenism they calim they are being picked on and made suspect.
Argue the issue of Obama’s disingenuousnous or not in regards to his reverend, but don’t pretend for a second that the new feminists out their arent’ grinding their plowshares into swords. At the very least in the website I have offered, which, I will admit, is probably not the most credible… it is Roseanne barr’s website after all.

Posted by: James in Idaho | March 31, 2008, 6:11 pm 6:11 pm

@ cmt
No actually it’s the same thing IF Obama can be reasonably compared in that fashion. Both will have lied, and lying is just wrong straight up.
And ya… I think being shot at is something I would truthfully remember and would not have to embellish.

Posted by: James in Idaho | March 31, 2008, 6:14 pm 6:14 pm

How are Americans so easily duped? You are electing a man who supports black supremacy. The world really must take you for the fools of this century. From the horrors of GWBush and now BO because some of you are afraid of a strong women? America has lost it’s promise.

Posted by: boohall | March 31, 2008, 6:15 pm 6:15 pm

I think Obama is like Kerry in 04, I was fifteen when Kerry ran so I could not vote, but I remember his huge popularity and for some reason I knew he wasn’t going and he didn’t.
Obama is the ’08 version, destined to lose the White House again.

Posted by: John | March 31, 2008, 6:15 pm 6:15 pm

@ james
feminists and other women in general have said they don’t vote for hillary.
african americans on the other hand support obama up to 90%
Posted by: John | Mar 31, 2008 6:00:14 PM
***************************************
What am i missing , blacks voted over 90% for Gore and Bill clinton and back in the day they came out in DROVES to vote for Kennedys.
Now they happen to vote for the BEST CANDIDATE which happen to be black; And now its only about RACE ..PLEASE!!!!
The nite Hillary lost in South Carolina
the percentage that voted for her waited like SUCKERS at her Headquarters;
But hillary was nowhere to be found, she hop on that plane and out of there so fast and didn’t even stay for 60 seconds to say thank you.
Blacks time and time again just get use by the candidates and when the candidate gets elected, all the promises goes through the windows.
So excuse the black voters if they feel maybe this time will be different, and is putting trust that they will not get screw by one of their own.

Posted by: relent | March 31, 2008, 6:16 pm 6:16 pm

Military family here…..Hilliary lied about sniper fire (kinda twisted), Obama lies about everything from his name, to not one but two grandmothers (his white grandmom wasn’t a racist if you read his book and his Kenyan one he was planting stories about a few weeks back isn’t even his grandmother, then we have the mansion and Rezko lies, the church lies, his muslim upbringing lies, his voting lies (he actually wants to change his voting record from years ago–you should wonder why) on and on and on. He is a compulsive liar and I doubt he actually earned his degree.

Posted by: creature4444 | March 31, 2008, 6:16 pm 6:16 pm

Needless to say, for many reason including Obama pathological need and compulsion to lie repeatedly….it’s anybody but Obama Hussein for me and many others. ANYBODY.

Posted by: creature4444 | March 31, 2008, 6:18 pm 6:18 pm

Obama is the best candidate…to LOSE AGAINST MCCAIN!
and he isn’t black, he’s BIRACIAL.
he’s more white than I am.

Posted by: John | March 31, 2008, 6:27 pm 6:27 pm

Relent are you saying that Black Americans half-trust, a half-black man, to assure that they only get half-messed over?
A majority of Black Americans like the rest of us were fooled by Obama for a while, they like the rest of us are waking up.
My Black American God-son, masters candidate U of Ma., said this week-end, that “Obama got me once, but there will be no replay”.

Posted by: MC | March 31, 2008, 6:27 pm 6:27 pm

I can’t believe that the Democrats are going to put forward Obama for President. I mean, he was an unknown quantity to begin with, so all this stuff is really maganified in its importance.
Don’t take a chance on him this time. If he’s the real deal he will be back in 2012/2016!

Posted by: Mark | March 31, 2008, 6:28 pm 6:28 pm

@ relent
“@ james
feminists and other women in general have said they don’t vote for hillary.
african americans on the other hand support obama up to 90%
Posted by: John | Mar 31, 2008 6:00:14 PM
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What am i missing , blacks voted over 90% for Gore and Bill clinton and back in the day they came out in DROVES to vote for Kennedys.
Now they happen to vote for the BEST CANDIDATE which happen to be black; And now its only about RACE ..PLEASE!!!!
The nite Hillary lost in South Carolina
the percentage that voted for her waited like SUCKERS at her Headquarters;
But hillary was nowhere to be found, she hop on that plane and out of there so fast and didn’t even stay for 60 seconds to say thank you.
Blacks time and time again just get use by the candidates and when the candidate gets elected, all the promises goes through the windows.
So excuse the black voters if they feel maybe this time will be different, and is putting trust that they will not get screw by one of their own.”
See, now you’re spinning. I never made a comment against black voters nro was I attempting to make illegitimate any claims by black voters. I am simply pointing out that the black votes that swung Baraks way didn’t swing that way until after Bill’s comment, and AFTER Geraldine Ferraros comment, when previously they may very well have swung Hillary’s way. I am also pointing out that Obama’s campaign is not a token one, and for the same reason that Hillary’s isn’t a token one.
I have only pointed out the fact that MOST women suppoeting Hillary are doing so for the wrong reason. and anyone, including any black person voting for Obama simply because he’s black is guilty of the same offense.
Sadly, most of the people supporting Hillary are far less genuine than the one’s supporting Barak Obama AT THIS POINT. Why else would they continually bring up a middle name that has NO … I repeat… NO bearing on theissue fo his ability to lead the country/ Why attempt to assert guilt by association IF there are other issues to be discuessed… and how is this NOT helping the republican candidate? I’m sorry? Ya You seemed to have missed something.

Posted by: James in Idaho | March 31, 2008, 6:34 pm 6:34 pm

Relent, 90% of African Americans voted for Bill Clinton. Yet Hillary Clinton only gets 10% of the African American vote! It is about race! But your last sentence is a very valid point! Which, by the way, contradicts your notion that it’s not about race.

Posted by: James Danley | March 31, 2008, 6:35 pm 6:35 pm

“Jake,
Thank you for publishing this. I cannot believe that anyone thinks the images of Pastor Wright’s hatred for white people and the U.S.A. is going to go away. I WILL NEVER FORGET. And I think the vivid memory of it will be reflected in the votes in Pennsylvania.”
Posted by: Katie
All this from a few sermons(minutes actually) of Pastor Wright shown on T.V., And you cant understand why some blacks are still mad about Slavery , Jim Crow, and the forcing out of blacks from the political landscape in the late 1800′s, Or the ethnic cleansing that occurred in some cities in the early 1900′s. I’m just saying if you wanna be mad and insulted, go right ahead. Just know you don’t hold the patent.

Posted by: ebot | March 31, 2008, 6:40 pm 6:40 pm

Wow… there’s a lot of underlying prejudice on this topic… on both sides.
WHo cares if he’s Biracial or black or whatever, and who cares if she’s a woman or white or whatever?! Seriously people… who cares/ What’s your point? They are two people fighting the good fight and being knocked down for crap.
I have stated why I won’t vote for Hillary, but at least I recognize that as my own personal choice and opinion, and some have done the same, but a lot of oyu are bringing up race again and again and again and it has NO bearing on the issue.

Posted by: James in Idaho | March 31, 2008, 6:40 pm 6:40 pm

I can see your pain in not seeing The Rev.not forgetting the American Past however that’s the past or is it.
We (Black)see America bad side much to often. that need to change, would you agree

Posted by: t.v.eddie | March 31, 2008, 6:42 pm 6:42 pm

I am interested in anyones opinion re Wright and/or Wrong. We leave the issue alone, uninvestigated to the fullest depths, at our own peril. Like a tumor, saying it is “benign” without a complete “biopsy” is ridiculous.
Google RNA Trinity Church Wright. Make your own decision as to how deep the Wright/Trinity “separatism” thing goes, The RNA/Reprarations aspect has never even been mentioned before today, to my knowledge. Nor had I seen or heard mention of Obama advisor Iva Carruthers by any media.
Wright does not come close to representing the views of the vast majority of African-Americans. But, he does apparently represent those of the Obama’s, despite the denials. 20 years is full refutation to the denials.
Separatists are just that. Dividers, any way you cut it. And are totally opposite to “uniters”. Words do matter!
Check your Webster’s

Posted by: MC | March 31, 2008, 6:42 pm 6:42 pm

Obama is a big lier and can’t be trusted. I will only vote for hillary and if obama vs mc cain, i will vote mccain…

Posted by: RSS | March 31, 2008, 6:43 pm 6:43 pm

@ James Danley
NO it is NOT about race… OR gender, but it has BECOME about those two issues, because you people keep bringing those issues up.
That’s not what’s at stake here so stop making it about that.
What’s at stake is four more years of crap by another aging blowhard based on faulty, false and downright disingenuous and misleading slantery, that deminishes the public coffers that could be used to further education, ease the pains of pverty and the house subprime bust, and ‘redistricted’ to those who support an illegitimate and unfounded war with a country that neve attacked us.
Period.

Posted by: James in Idaho | March 31, 2008, 6:44 pm 6:44 pm

@ABCNews – Thank you for reporting the facts on Obama! Kudos to Jake!
Obama chose Rev Wright to be his spiritual mentor for 20 years. Now everything is being covered up.
Go Hillary ’08 (anyone but Obama)!

Posted by: keval | March 31, 2008, 6:47 pm 6:47 pm

Some guys from HOME DEPOT that work for less than $3.00 a hour, I guess.

Posted by: Chan | March 31, 2008, 6:47 pm 6:47 pm

Why are they taking down the website? Are they afraid that the non-blacks won’t vote for Obama? There are plenty of white liberals out there who love Obama no matter what. They are the same ones who feel that it is okay for a black to spew racist and divisive remarks but not when a white person does it. Is it that the white liberals are afraid that the blacks in this country will go rioting if a white person expresses racist anti-black remarks? With Obama’s pastor’s preaching and a good majority of the American blacks agreeing with him, white liberals have no need to worry about whites rioting because they won’t. Do the white liberals really think that the blacks are that uncivil? Maybe the white liberal is that “typical white person” Obama was referring to.

Posted by: Sally | March 31, 2008, 6:50 pm 6:50 pm

Americans! This is the simple proof that all those that have mindlessly jumped aboard the “Barack Obama Bandwagon” are totally deluded. None of these starry-eyed, white-guilt driven Barack supporters never seem to stop and ask themselves if they REALLY want the next President of the United States to share the values of an anti-white, anti-American, hate-filled so called “church” of God. Make no mistake, Senator Barack Obama is on a personal mission. He speaks quietly and hesitantly like a man who is about to be exposed for what he truly is. Inexperienced, unprepared, and quite frankly, completely phony.

Posted by: MauiPaul | March 31, 2008, 6:56 pm 6:56 pm

It is about race when 90% of the voters vote for Obama and when asked why it is not becuase he is the best candidate particularly when they can not cite reasons other then maybe he makes me feel good…it is not until very recently that Obama is speaking a little about his policies but this this did not happen until after Super Tuesday and early March…and he was voted becasue he was the best candidate..when you did not not his real stance..

Posted by: dellee | March 31, 2008, 6:59 pm 6:59 pm

They can scrub it from their website, and some people seem to be able to scrub this issue from their conscience, but I will never, ever vote for Sen. Obama regardless of how much damage control and cover up they continue to do. With the exception of ABC news, most of the mass media is right back where they were a few months ago, playing up his all of his supposed positives and all of HIllary’s negatives. It is just sickening, if the current polls are correct, how stupid and easily swayed people are. Throw a fancy speech and smooth talking at a lot of people, and all is forgotten. But just because someone says something and gives some of our cable newsmen chills doesn’t make it true, especially coming from a Chicago politician. Speeches are Obama’s forte, I would expect him to be good at them. People are perfectly willing to believe and exagerate every bad thing about the Clinton’s or McCain’s, but Obama just keeps double speaking and back tracking and no one seems to care about all of his gross exagerations and outright lies.

Posted by: DWC | March 31, 2008, 7:02 pm 7:02 pm

Hillary lied about Bosnia, where she got her name from, these are only the smaller lies of BIGGER ones to come. Hillary is a liar and a negative campaigner and she is going to lose the nomination!!! POINT BLANK!!! Obama is a well educated man who is trying to bring about the change America and alot of you reading this needs. So stop trying to use what his Pastor said against him because we have all sat in a pew and did not always agree with what our Pastor was preaching but a fewphrases from a select few sermons dont mean crap. You guys are lame for buying into the tactics. Worry about something that matters!!!!!!

Posted by: Cheryl | March 31, 2008, 7:04 pm 7:04 pm

J.L. there is a big difference about just having a pastor that is racist and staying and financially supporting a racist pastor and having one as a spiritual advisor…advisor one that provides advise on various matters…but in this case Spirituality are not the only thing that Wright advises Obama on particular if his talks are any indication of his advise to OBama and philosophy..that is what is troublesome…staying with a church that promotes this way of thinking is important and if a White candidate was supporting a white racist then people would demand his withdrawal…double standards…

Posted by: dellee | March 31, 2008, 7:05 pm 7:05 pm

I Love each and everyone of YOU. Even though you speak ill of the canidat I support. I LOVE you even though my children and I have been called everything but a child of God. I LOVE you even though my family members were beaten and hung. I LOVE you even though my children are not given the same education as your children. I LOVE you even though I have bee passed up for promotions that I was more qualified than my white co-worker. I LOVE you even though I have been called a N more times than I can count. I LOVE you even though you think you are superior to me. I LOVE you because we are sisters and brothers in GOD”S eyes. I LOVE YOU!

Posted by: Emilianna | March 31, 2008, 7:07 pm 7:07 pm

Move on folks. Big deal, the guy is getting death threats when his white counterparts are showered with praise by the Republicans and white America. Wake up and see what’s right in front of your faces folks. I am a white male and I have never seen such a blatant double standard in my life. By the way, for those of you who like to parrot the “20 years in a pew” line – if you are catholic, why didn’t you leave the pew when your church was harboring child molesters? If you are Christian, why don’t you leave the church that says gays are responsible for Katrina because of the gay pride parade? Not that any of it is right, but see what’s right in front of you or we will never have a peaceful America.

Posted by: JJ | March 31, 2008, 7:12 pm 7:12 pm

I find it the ignorant and angry remarks of a minister who leads people in fait, very disturbing. We all know and even love people who have made remarks we know are wrong. When I was little, my wonderful grandfather used a mild ( in the sceme of things) racist word and told him not to say that – even a little child, knows better. I told him not to say that because I did not want my wonderful grandfather to say something that might hurt someone else and I knew in his heart he was a generous and kind person. If we love someone we should not be afraid to tell that person when they say things that hurt other people.

Posted by: Beth | March 31, 2008, 7:14 pm 7:14 pm

Obama is a racist, phony, inexperienced, arrogant, communist anti-american hypocrite. There is no way he can win the general election against McCain.

Posted by: sickandtired | March 31, 2008, 7:14 pm 7:14 pm

Obama may win the nomination but has a little shot at the general election…Dems have screwed up and backed the wrong over zealous candidate arrogant, candidate whose platform has been shot with liars and holes he will owe so many of the “establishment” favors and will be their little puppet if he gets elected …but the general election is not a caucus and he will lose Michigan and Florida in his blindness to win the nomination in place of giving them their right to decide particularly when it was the republicans who screwed the Dem in Florida…Obama withdrew his name in Michigan..

Posted by: delle | March 31, 2008, 7:19 pm 7:19 pm

Ha – I am surprised it wasn’t scrapped two weeks ago. Is anyone surprised at all?
The obama campaign is the most deceitful of any in this election. He will stand in front of your face and deny that he has done anything incorrect, racial or neglectful. What a phony, two bit arrogant SOB.
An arrogant, condescending SOB that you want to put into the White House? I cannot wait for the Republicans to get on obama. He will run with his tail between his legs all the way to Africa.
What a cheap piece of horse puckey.

Posted by: Lou | March 31, 2008, 7:20 pm 7:20 pm

I guess the church pulling their website is a kin to Fox saying Obama is removing The New Black Panther Party from his website. Can’t be found now.Don’t want anything to muddle the puddle huh. Something is really strange about all of this and until people wake up and smell the roses they just might bite off more than they can chew. I for one won’t have a part of it.

Posted by: C Good | March 31, 2008, 7:21 pm 7:21 pm

UNfortuately, not many people did their research about Obama and just went on his speeches ..well rehearsed tele-promp speeches..when asked in interviews his talks are not very insightful and lack substance…tells you a lot about a person what he says does not come from the heart but rather an illusion of music, background and well audition speeches…that is the candidate of 1/2 the dem voters and they blame Bush for their problems look in the mirror it was people like you that voted Bush into office in the first place and people like you who never learn from your mistakes…

Posted by: delee | March 31, 2008, 7:25 pm 7:25 pm

Rev. Wright was Obama’s spiritual advisor for 20 years. I would not vote for Obama.

Posted by: Typical White Granny | March 31, 2008, 7:28 pm 7:28 pm

Obama girl,
It’s because the media has deemed Obama their little darling. It’s about time they exposed him for the liar and fraud that he is. McCain and Clinton have been bashed for years, especially Clinton. Now he knows what it’s like to play with the big dogs.

Posted by: J | March 31, 2008, 7:30 pm 7:30 pm

@ Delee
I NEVER… let me repeat NEVER… voted for Bush in EITHER election season… EVER.

Posted by: James in Idaho | March 31, 2008, 7:30 pm 7:30 pm

@ Delee
I NEVER… let me repeat NEVER… voted for Bush in EITHER election season… EVER.

Posted by: James in Idaho | March 31, 2008, 7:30 pm 7:30 pm

I’ve yet to see much in the mainstream media to correct the out of context distortion of Rev. Wright. When I have seen it in a few less mainstream places, the reaction of people is quite remarkable in that many recognize the shortcomings of the coverage and how they’ve been misled.
This weekend the church held a meeting to address the one sided attacks with their congregation because they’re concerned with the damage that is being done – at the very least, some unfairly. If there’s going to be a one way dialogue in the mainstream media on the church with the media taking their material out of context to sensationalize (unfairly from their perspective), they’ve got to protect themselves.
If you were in their boots and something being openly discussed by you was getting twisted into something else or something worse, would you continue to provide fodder for that? Obviously not. So I don’t blame them.
Having looked pretty closely at the issue and Rev. Wright’s sermons, I think the mainstream media coverage largely limited to snippets out of contest has been unfair and a disgrace to those who stand for quality in journalism. The proof in this is in the reaction by those who get the full story. It’s there and irrefutable. I have more issues with the media coverage than I do with what Rev. Wright said.

Posted by: CWatson | March 31, 2008, 7:31 pm 7:31 pm

“”feminists … have said they won’t vote for hillary”"
Correct. Real feminists know the playing field is level and our energies are now turned to running with the ball that has been thrown us.
What happened in the past is just that: the past.
We will never vote based on gender; that is what the movement was about: responsibility, not howling victim.
Remember the friend that would not stop talking about her divorce and her exhusband? How self defeating is that?

Posted by: Kathryn McNamara | March 31, 2008, 7:31 pm 7:31 pm

@ Lou
It’s not Arrogance, it’s education, knowledge, and justified confidence, which is more than I can say for Hillary’s Bravado. Gimme a break. She’s just McCain in a wig and a dress.
Pull the sleeper mask off your face before you make comments. Dullard.

Posted by: James in Idaho | March 31, 2008, 7:33 pm 7:33 pm

Cowards!

Posted by: Jackie | March 31, 2008, 7:36 pm 7:36 pm

RS,
“IF A CHILD IS 99.99% OF WHITE and 0.01% OF BLACK ”
Wouldn’t it be 50/50? Or in your estimation did more of the white part get through than the black? I don’t think they have a test for what percentage of black or white a biracial child has in them.

Posted by: J | March 31, 2008, 7:36 pm 7:36 pm

@ goalone1
How disingenuous. He’s captured the imagination as in we can now do something reasonably with him as a candidate that would could not preciously. We can now imagine a better world, and a better candidacy for president, with him as a potential nominee. He is sincere, he is genuine, and many people just can’t handle that. and why not? Because it’s not THEIR choasen candidate. A vote for him is not a vote against you. Wake up.

Posted by: James in Idaho | March 31, 2008, 7:37 pm 7:37 pm

I haven’t read all the comments but if there is anyway to get it OUT FRONT WITH BUGLES THE VOTING PUBLIC SHOULD KNOW THE IRS IS INESTIGATING OBAMA’S CHURCH FOR A SPEECH OBAMA DELIVERED AT THE CHURCH’S synod IN, I BELIEVE, JULY 2007.

Posted by: Jack Ames | March 31, 2008, 7:38 pm 7:38 pm

Obama.girl,
He’s only winning by about 100,000+ votes. That could very well change in the PA race. We have hit a high of 4 million registered voters in this state and alot of the newly registered ones are democrats.

Posted by: J | March 31, 2008, 7:39 pm 7:39 pm

Obama appears to be lazy and a lazy president does not get the job done.

Posted by: Hillary Girl | March 31, 2008, 7:39 pm 7:39 pm

Read my lip Obama will not win in Nov.He doesn’t have any chance.People of the U.S.A. not stupid

Posted by: Justin | March 31, 2008, 7:41 pm 7:41 pm

I’m sorry but to call Obama a “true patriot and national hero” is absolutely insane. The man is a liar and a racist. He doesn’t even show patriotrism for this country and has wife who obviously disdains being American. Obama is unpatriotric and a national shame.

Posted by: KERRY | March 31, 2008, 7:42 pm 7:42 pm

There are to many corrupt people in Obama’s past and present. Now we have the “godfather” mentor who is part of the Chicago political machine. I’m just not “feeling” the Obama magic as of late.

Posted by: KevinR | March 31, 2008, 7:44 pm 7:44 pm

Maybee, do you realize how ridiculous this whole isue about Rev. Wright is? Firstly, Obama said he didn’t hear these inflamatory comments (and until someoene produces evidence that he did, only a biased person wouldn’t take huim at his word). Secondly, when put in context, most of the things Rev. Wright said are legitimate. I mean, is rev. Wright the first Pastor to say God damn America? Pastors have been damning America for sins since the beginning of time. Why is this one damn worse than the thousands of damns Pastors ahve preached from the pulpit for abortion and gay rights and all those liberal tendencies? Thirdly, only a silly, idiotic, moron would actually think that these views reflect Obama’s. Theer is not any single evidence that Obama himself ahve ever uttered these words sicne the day he was born. So basically you want me to condemn a man based not on his own words, but those of his Pastor. That’s incredibly retarded IMO. I hope people don’t judge me based on my Pastor’s words. In fact, i hope people don’t judge me based on my wife’s words, or the words of anyone that isn’t me. Fourthly, blacks and whites see Wrights’s comments differently. Why is that? Are all blacks racist? What about the liberal whites that see it the way blacks see it? Are they racists too? Is Obama, who is half white, racist towards his own mother? This is ridiculous,a nd apparently most Americans are not buying it that’s why Obama leads keeps expending his lead in the polls. If you cannot discuss issues, then you are tabloid level.

Posted by: no obama | March 31, 2008, 7:46 pm 7:46 pm

Obama.girl,
Quit your whining. Clinton has been subjected to this and worse for close to 15 years. That’s what happens when you are in the big dog arena. It’s about time the media told us what this man is all about. I see they took the kid gloves off and I am glad.

Posted by: J | March 31, 2008, 7:46 pm 7:46 pm

Just replaced word “Black” with word “White” what you are going to say “Chruch of KKK” RACISM work both way

Posted by: Cheyenne | March 31, 2008, 7:46 pm 7:46 pm

Maybee, do you realize how ridiculous this whole isue about Rev. Wright is? Firstly, Obama said he didn’t hear these inflamatory comments (and until someoene produces evidence that he did, only a biased person wouldn’t take huim at his word). Secondly, when put in context, most of the things Rev. Wright said are legitimate. I mean, is rev. Wright the first Pastor to say God damn America? Pastors have been damning America for sins since the beginning of time. Why is this one damn worse than the thousands of damns Pastors ahve preached from the pulpit for abortion and gay rights and all those liberal tendencies? Thirdly, only a silly, idiotic, moron would actually think that these views reflect Obama’s. Theer is not any single evidence that Obama himself ahve ever uttered these words sicne the day he was born. So basically you want me to condemn a man based not on his own words, but those of his Pastor. That’s incredibly retarded IMO. I hope people don’t judge me based on my Pastor’s words. In fact, i hope people don’t judge me based on my wife’s words, or the words of anyone that isn’t me. Fourthly, blacks and whites see Wrights’s comments differently. Why is that? Are all blacks racist? What about the liberal whites that see it the way blacks see it? Are they racists too? Is Obama, who is half white, racist towards his own mother? This is ridiculous,a nd apparently most Americans are not buying it that’s why Obama leads keeps expending his lead in the polls. If you cannot discuss issues, then you are tabloid level.

Posted by: no obama | March 31, 2008, 7:47 pm 7:47 pm

How does Obama consider someone a Mentor and friend for 20 years and not know their hateful racist values and character? Obama said he had no plans to leave the South Side church. Wright is like an uncle you love and respect! he highly respects the opinions of Rev. Wright said Obama, who brings hope to many and agrees with giving the man of year award to the notorious Louis Farrakhan. Nation of Islam Minister who said we are witnessing the phenomenal rise of a man of color in a country that has persecuted us! Obama hasn’t distanced himself from Farraklhan as he wants the media to believe. A number of Jewish and pro-Israel voters have concerns and raised questions about Barack Obama. In case you haven’t followed this ongoing issue, here’s a brief summary of the complaints:Obama has called for engaging Iran. Daniel Ayalon, Israel’s former ambassador to the United States, told the New York Sun he is concerned Obama would want to negotiate with a “Hitler-like” regime. Some of Obama’s policy advisors of various stripes, such as Samantha Power, Robert Malley, and Zbigniew Brzezinski, have come under attack for their views on Israel. World Jewish Congress President Ronald Lauder fears, it’s only a matter of time before the president becomes anti-Israel Howard Friedman, the president of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, said the leading presidential candidate are all interested in continuing close ties with Israel. Obama in traditional muslim garb brought these questions back to the fore Obama is a closet Muslim. Obama hasn’t distanced himself from Farraklhan as he wants the media to believe, Obamas and his church said Farrakhan “epitomized greatness. For Americans, Farrakhan epitomizes racism, particularly in the form of anti-Semitism. Over the years, he has compiled an awesome record of offensive statements, even denigrating the Holocaust by falsely attributing it to Jewish cooperation with Hitler “They helped him get the Third Reich on the road.” His history is a rancid stew of lies. Any praise of Farrakhan heightens the prestige of the leader of the Nation of Islam. His anti-Semitism and particularly his false insistence that Jews have played an inordinate role in victimizing African Americans. Farrakhan’s dream has vilified whites and singled out Jews to blame for crimes large and small. He talks of Jewish conspiracies to set a media line for the whole nation. He has reviled Jews in a manner that brings Hitler to mind. And yet Obama and Rev Wright heaped praise on Farrakhan. He applauds his “depth of analysis when it comes to the racial ills of this nation.” He praised “his integrity and honesty.” He called him “an unforgettable force, a catalyst for change and a religious leader who is sincere about his faith and his purpose.” These words of the black man who touts change and claims to be a uniter of all people? DO NOT VOTE FOR OBAMANATION!

Posted by: KERRY | March 31, 2008, 7:48 pm 7:48 pm

LPD,
You can be educated to the hilt and still be the biggest village idiot to walk the earth. I think the term is “overeducated idiot”.

Posted by: J | March 31, 2008, 7:48 pm 7:48 pm

when asked in interviews his talks are not very insightful and lack substance.
Posted by: delee | Mar 31, 2008 7:25:40 PM
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Are you for real!!!,The man graduate top of his class at columbia and harvard, editor of the harvard newspaper.head of the law review,taught law for 10 years, wrote couple books, also a civil rights attorney and i can go on.he said in his 60 min interview “When he gets all Professorial and serious into details; people get bored and say come on bring on the inspiration stuff”.
now run along with your daycare and have a heartbeat at your local college degrees.

Posted by: LPD | March 31, 2008, 7:50 pm 7:50 pm

when asked in interviews his talks are not very insightful and lack substance.
Posted by: delee | Mar 31, 2008 7:25:40 PM
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Are you for real!!!,The man graduate top of his class at columbia and harvard, editor of the harvard newspaper.head of the law review,taught law for 10 years, wrote couple books, also a civil rights attorney and i can go on.he said in his 60 min interview “When he gets all Professorial and serious into details; people get bored and say come on bring on the inspiration stuff”.
now run along with your daycare and have a heartbeat at your local college degrees.

Posted by: LPD | March 31, 2008, 7:50 pm 7:50 pm

Another significant fundraiser for Obama is William Ayers, who sat on the board of the Woods fund with Obama and is also a professor at the University of Chicago. Bill Ayers, along with his wife Bernadine Dohrn, was a member of the Weather Underground, a radical extremist group that conducted a series of direct actions against the US government throughout the early to mid-1970s. Ayers and Dohrn went underground in 1970 after others in the group accidentally exploded a bomb in a Greenwich Village townhouse, which killed three of them including Ayers’ girlfriend at the time. During the period Ayers and Dohrn were in hiding, the Weather Underground participated in the bombings of the U.S. Capitol, the Pentagon and a State Department building. In 1981 Ayers and Dohrn turned themselves in, but all charges were dropped as a result of the government legal misconduct. In his 2001 memoir, Ayers wrote, “I don’t regret setting the bombs. I feel we didn’t do enough.” Ayers and Dohrn held at least one fundraiser for Barack Obama in their home in Chicago.

Posted by: KERRY | March 31, 2008, 7:50 pm 7:50 pm

@ HillaryGirl
Hillary appears fat, and lazy, and a liar… Check and mate

Posted by: James in Idaho | March 31, 2008, 7:51 pm 7:51 pm

I just have one question. Why is Michelle O’bell Obama so angry?

Posted by: herkids | March 31, 2008, 7:52 pm 7:52 pm

Rezco gave money to Obama’s campaign and may have helped him buy his house. What does Rezco espect in return for these favors?

Posted by: Chicken That Came Home To Roost | March 31, 2008, 7:54 pm 7:54 pm

LPD,
You can be educated to the hilt and still be the biggest village idiot to walk the earth. I think the term is “overeducated idiot”.
Posted by: J | Mar 31, 2008 7:48:59 PM
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As oppose to you just being a IDIOT .Works for me!!
I think your Break is up, now return to your post pronto you WALMART GREETER.
Obama 08 where millions reign supreme.

Posted by: LPD | March 31, 2008, 7:54 pm 7:54 pm

Barack Obama is a member of an African American church. He is not the pastor and does not control nor write the pastor’s sermons. To hear a few of the same soundbites over and over again and then judge a man’s 20+ years of service (which few desire to talk about is insane. Rev. Wright’s sermon is in the context of the African American experience in a country that thought it ok to enslave and lynch and deny constitutional rights to her citizens of color. We were kidnapped , raped, enslaved and murdered. But I guess African Americans are not allowed to respond to that. Hate can be levied against African Americans and that’s fine apparently. But when an African American responds, that’soutrageous. That oppression lives today. We have a war on terror, but no war on racism. Rev. Wright, stay true to your call as a prophetic preacher of the gospel. Just watch out, because they may now plan to do to you what they did to another prophetic dreamer who confronted America with her egregious sins.

Posted by: DBJ | March 31, 2008, 7:56 pm 7:56 pm

A lot of the racists herre seem to be the pot calling the kettle black.
He’s a liar
she’s a liar we’s a liar they’s a liar
wouldn’t ya like ta be a liar too?
Wow I’m outta here you people are half rubbish, and half rubbish regifters
Get outta your high school mindset

Posted by: James in Idaho | March 31, 2008, 7:56 pm 7:56 pm

The election is now in full swing in Indiana. I saw three “Anyone But Obama” bumper stickers today.

Posted by: Karen | March 31, 2008, 7:59 pm 7:59 pm

Isn’t this a good thing? It suggests they are trying to moderate which is what Obama’s speech was all about.

Posted by: Bob, DC | March 31, 2008, 7:59 pm 7:59 pm

He has never said “God Bless America”, and I’m sure Michelle hasn’t.

Posted by: Carole | March 31, 2008, 8:00 pm 8:00 pm

Relent, the contradiction I was referring to was when you stated: “So excuse the black voters if they feel maybe this time will be different, and is putting trust that they will not get screw by one of their own.” Voting for one of their own, trusting that they won’t get screwed by one of their own, IS voting based on race. Don’t get me wrong. I think it is a valid point. And African Americans have every right to give one of their own a chance. My point is just don’t say that it has nothing to do with race. Clearly it is not ALL about race! 10% are still voting for Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: James Danley | March 31, 2008, 8:03 pm 8:03 pm

LPD,
Typical Obama supporter, have to start the name calling and act like they are a superior species. I happen to make over $40,000 a year and it’s not at Walmart dear.
Book smarts and real life are two different things.

Posted by: J | March 31, 2008, 8:04 pm 8:04 pm

James in Idaho, the Battle of Iraq is NOT illegitimate nor is it unfounded. The 1991 Gulf War was never officially over. Saddam Hussein agreed to a ceasefire and the conditions that went along with the ceasefire. But after 12 years of refusing to comply with the conditions — one of which was to provide full disclosure, inspection and ultimate destruction of all its WMDs — the UN Security Council passed Resolution 1441, the final ultimatum. When the UN Security Council made it clear that they had no intentions of following through on their ultimatum, President Bush made one of his own. Saddam Hussein still refused to comply. Unlike the UN Security Council, President Bush kept his word. Thus the 1991 ceasefire came to an end and justified the invasion.
Now then in 1998 Congress passed the Iraq Liberation Act, which gave President Clinton authorization for regime change in Iraq. And in 2002 Congress passed the Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq. These two resolutions by Congress make the Battle in Iraq legitimate.

Posted by: James Danley | March 31, 2008, 8:06 pm 8:06 pm

Obama.girl,
Like I said QUIT YER WHINING! They continually dump on Hillary. Why was it necessary to bring out a story a few weeks ago about her being in the White house on the Blue dress day? That’s not news! The Bosnia thing has been in the news over the past week repeatedly.
I am glad they keep bringing crap like this up about Obama. They’ve done it to every other candidate in the past and present.

Posted by: J | March 31, 2008, 8:11 pm 8:11 pm

I support Hillary not because she is a woman. Because I am a Democrat and the other candidate Is one of the worse candidates I have ever seen for president.
If Obama is on the democratic ballot for president in the general election. I will vote republican and being a voting democrat for 40 years and using a sane mind and sound judgment evaluating all the issues and policies and following all the canidates. The man should not be president Of The United States of America.
He does not have what it takes. To serve the people or the country.
Omitting all the motivational speeches and the campaign promises. He has not much For being the leader and Head of a country. At least not any more than you or I.
He has some major character flaws. You can not lie on and about your friends in public. When you do everyone can see you are a liar. You do not lie about your family, no matter what. When you do that in public That shows you do not care about anyone. He has done both numerious times.
He has talked down on Americans and has called Americans racist.
He has spent all of his time as a Senator first year preparing to run for president, the next campaigning.
He came from Nowhere and his goal was to go non-stop to the top.
He flip flops on issues, changes his mind about policies.
He avoids, eludes, evades and two-steps direct questions. Or changes the subject.
He Has blamed, pointed fingers, accused, blamed some more. Slung mud, mislead people, lied to the American people.
He has used people and manipulated people.
I find no Qualities That would make him a Good President.
He is an excellent orator. We do not need a speaker.
We need a Strong Person to be president.
One who is dedicated to this country, and only this country. One who cares about the people and the government. One who can deal with and work with foreign relations and other country leaders. Having the character to be trusted, Stand their Ground and willing to march into war or die protecting The country and the people.
The world has been watching closely. They have seen him lie and the truth come out. They have seen him flip flop on issues and foreign affairs. They have heard his words on Trade. They see he is a pacifist. They have seen him Not answer direct questions. I’m sure our enemies would love him.
We all know that political promises are air in the wind.
The majority of democrats see Obama for what he is, and they do not want him.
Why he is being shoved down our throats is beyond me. The DNC must not care about the American people. It will be the DNC’s fault for tearing the party apart, That is something they will have to carry on their shoulders, the people know this.
God bless America
A vote for America is a Vote against Obama.

Posted by: seah | March 31, 2008, 8:13 pm 8:13 pm

This church (if you can call it that) is a disgrace to all church’s across this great country. Of all the churchs Obama could choose from he picked this one. It just shows that he lacks judgement.

Posted by: Ken | March 31, 2008, 8:16 pm 8:16 pm

Thanks for the great article Jake! It’s very important for us to know that damage control is being undertaken by Obama’s church. I urge all people (especially young people) to research Obama very thoroughly and don’t trust that you’ve heard it all on the news stations like NBC and CNN. My new nickname for him is “teflon man” since none of his lies and deceptions seem to stick around long and there have been many… It’s bad for our democracy for the press to manipulate the news in favor of Obama. It’s refreshing for me that I can get balanced news on both democratic candidates from ABC News and Fox News at least. As for me I’m another latte drinking, educated person who will never ever vote for Obama.

Posted by: Maggie | March 31, 2008, 8:17 pm 8:17 pm

seah,
You took the words right out of my mouth! Excellent post!

Posted by: J | March 31, 2008, 8:18 pm 8:18 pm

Actually, I never saw anything on their web site that was all that controversial. It was only conservatives who thought a “commitment to Africa” meant that you couldn’t still love America.

Posted by: jock59801 | March 31, 2008, 8:21 pm 8:21 pm

Better for all facts to come out now, than later. If there is more, it will come out and the Republicans will be the ones to “bring it”! Anyone who does not recognize that the Rs always play full contact politics has their head in the sand!
And, contrary to an earlier poster attempting to lay a guilt trip on those who oppose Obama and Wright. I have no “white guilt”!
Wright “cast the first stone”, while preaching in what has become a “glass church”!
Wright damned America, I won’t.
Wright preached hate from a pulpit, I haven’t.
Wright shouted profane, vulgar, denigrating utterances from his pulpit. I didn’t.
Obama sat through all of this for more than 20 years. I wouldn’t!
Does this make me a better person regarding mankind than Obama or Wright?
Yep!

Posted by: MC | March 31, 2008, 8:22 pm 8:22 pm

I have tried to be patient with the Obama supporters, especially stupid Hussein Obama girl.
1. The PEOPLE of Fl and Mi did not agree to anything- much less to be disenfranchised – and they are the ones that matter, not any politician.
2. Obama’s rock star status gave him name recognition. Oprah held his hand everywhere.
3. Obama was the ONLY one to break the rules and campaigned in Florida via his very expensive TV ads- and Hillary still won.
4. A re-vote is exactly that- a re-vote and it gives Obama the edge since supposedly he improves with time, like a fine wine.
5. Hillary did NOT campaign anywhere. Obama ran ads in Fl and told people to vote uncommitted in Mi. Kind of like his “present” votes in the Senate.
6. Punish the democratic voters in 2 very important states and you can kiss the election goodbye in Nov.
7. Look up the role of superdelegates for yourselves… otherwise they will close this post before I can educate all of you.

Posted by: KERRY | March 31, 2008, 8:25 pm 8:25 pm

Billy graham, Hagel, Farwell.. have all preached “separatism”
Rev. words/views are not certainly BO’s. Besides, BO has disussed the issue and the case should be closed. we’ve all dug too deep into the well; it should be dried by now.
As the saying goes “On easy lies the head that wears the grown” BO will win the Dem nomintation.
Cast it!

Posted by: Love | March 31, 2008, 8:27 pm 8:27 pm

“Separation of Church and State”: It is the only arrangement by which out diverse society can hope to function. If a church (any church) is going to use it’s pulpit for politics, then they should lose their non-profit status. They should also be TAXED and fined! Beyond some reasonable minimum definition (or formula) for church owned assets in direct ratio to the size of their congregation, these churches should not be permitted accumulating obscene wealth in the form of vast real estate holdings, held off the tax roles, and radio and television broadcasting conglomerates to manipulate the public politically. TAX the Hell out of these Grifters!

Posted by: waterfrontgalveston | March 31, 2008, 8:28 pm 8:28 pm

Celebrating Women: A Note from Dr. Maya Angelou
You may write me down in history
With your bitter, twisted lies,
You may trod me in the very dirt
But still, like dust, I’ll rise.
This is not the first time you have seen Hillary Clinton seemingly at her wits end, but she has always risen, always risen, much to the dismay of her adversaries and the delight of her friends.
Hillary Clinton will not give up on you and all she asks of you is that you do not give up on her.
There is a world of difference between being a woman and being an old female. If you’re born a girl, grow up, and live long enough, you can become an old female.
But, to become a woman is a serious matter. A woman takes responsibility for the time she takes up and the space she occupies.
Hillary Clinton is a woman. She has been there and done that and has still risen. She is in this race for the long haul. She intends to make a difference in our country.
She is the prayer of every woman and man who long for fair play, healthy families, good schools, and a balanced economy.
She declares she wants to see more smiles in the families, more courtesies between men and women, more honesty in the marketplace. Hillary Clinton intends to help our country to what it can become.
She means to rise.
She means to help our country rise. Don’t give up on her, ever.
In fact, if you help her to rise, you will rise with her and help her make this country a wonderful, wonderful place where every man and every woman can live freely without sanctimonious piety, without crippling fear.
Rise Hillary.
Rise.

Posted by: KERRY | March 31, 2008, 8:28 pm 8:28 pm

@MC
MC Wrote..”Does this make me a better person regarding mankind than Obama or Wright?
Yep!”
my response… Nope!… that just makes oyu afraid of the truth and a coward.

Posted by: James in Idaho | March 31, 2008, 8:30 pm 8:30 pm

The church needs a backbone. First Wright put his tail between his legs and went into hiding. Now the church is hiding what are obviously their true feelings. If that’s what they believe I would rather have them leave it up and not run and hide.

Posted by: Sasha | March 31, 2008, 8:32 pm 8:32 pm

Jake Tapper, you’re great! Everybody should know EVERYTHING that was on that site. I, and many, many citizens, have copied every single word on it. People should know who Obama is and who he assiciates with: haters of America.

Posted by: Starlight | March 31, 2008, 8:32 pm 8:32 pm

Jake Tapper, you’re great! Everybody should know EVERYTHING that was on that site. I, and many, many citizens, have copied every single word on it. People should know who Obama is and who he assiciates with: haters of America.

Posted by: Starlight | March 31, 2008, 8:32 pm 8:32 pm

Those democrats who say they will vote for McCain reallly amaze me. Last time around McCain exhibited the following:
1. He voted for the war, so did Clinton
2. He was for the surge
3. He doesn’t know anything about the economy
4. He was one the Keating 5
5. He wanted the 100 years war in Iraq
6. His Office and campaign are run by lobbyists
7. His foreign and domestic policies are those Bush.
Well fellow democrats who want to defect to McCain, do you agree with McCain’s plans for the future of this country and yours? May be the reason for not voting for Obama lies somewhere else. You’ve lived through 8 years of Bush, be ready for at least 4 more. And yes God Bless America and the world because we aren’t alone on this earth!

Posted by: JOHN OF CHICAGO | March 31, 2008, 8:33 pm 8:33 pm

How about an article about the “African school” Obama’s church will open this fall? Google search..will be it up.
Very interesting to see where Obama spends his money supporting this type of school.

Posted by: chuck | March 31, 2008, 8:33 pm 8:33 pm

@Kerry, it seems there aren’t many thinking similarly as you. Most polls show Obama maintaining his lead despite the Rev Wight issue. Seem it’s just folks on the news sites that are laden with fear.

Posted by: Stephen (Seattle, WA) | March 31, 2008, 9:05 pm 9:05 pm

If Obama can win Most States with or Without your Raciest Vote, He can win most next states too!!
But I and many Democrats will support Hillary if she is the Nominee of Democratic Party!! No more War!!By the way I respect Mccain too for his heroism!
OBAMA08!!YES WE CAN!!

Posted by: RC | March 31, 2008, 9:05 pm 9:05 pm

“The fact that Obama was forced to address the issue – even though it has existed for 20 years is a good indication that Obama will only take a real stand when his votes make a difference..other then that he never really took a stand and in fact never actually took one just gave excuses for his actions …again a good indication on how Obama works…he will not finnce the war but yet votes to finance it and then gives excuses. will not let lobbyist influence his policies but yet
his corporate contributor Exelon needed his help http://www.peaceactionme.org/blog/nuclear-leaks-and-response-tested-obama-senate he did indeed allow corporation to influence his actions…big talk little on action”

Posted by: KERRY | March 31, 2008, 9:05 pm 9:05 pm

I find it funny how people take statement of fact and change it to being racist. I you like Minister Farrakhan or not(I don’t0 what Wright says about him is correct.
(“When Minister Farrakhan speaks, Black America listens,” says the Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright,likening the Minister’s influence to the E. F. Hutton commercials of old. “Everybody may not agree with him, but they listen…Minister Farrakhan will be remembered as one of the 20th and 21st century giants of the African American religious experience.”) he did get everyone’s attention and started the million man march, not since Dr. King has America seen such a event. Did we all forget about the oklahoma city bombing, white men did that, white men that hate this country and our government and who were born and trained here in this country. They have training camps all over the United States, yet no one ever looks at them as a problem, we did not shut down their training camps.

Posted by: jason | March 31, 2008, 9:08 pm 9:08 pm

Sorry to disappoint you! American people and Voters are not ignorant or uneducated like you think they are! They are not voting for Obama because of Media! They are voting OBAMA because THEY CARE ABOUT AMERICA!
THE GOODWILL OF AMERICA!!
Because they know in their hearts, Obama is not your typical politician!
He is Hope of a great Nation,
Light of the New World!!
Vote OBAMA08!! YES WE CAN!!

Posted by: RC | March 31, 2008, 9:16 pm 9:16 pm

@Waterfrontgalveston
Right on man!

Posted by: James in Idaho | March 31, 2008, 9:19 pm 9:19 pm

IF OBAMA CANNOT DEFEAT THE REPUBLICANS DESPITE:
1. BUSH HAVING THE LOWEST APPROVAL RATINGS OF ANY MODERN PRESIDENT
2. THE ECONOMY IN THE TOILET
3. IRAQ IN THE TOILET
4. MCCAIN BEING 70-YEARS OLD AND A VICTIM OF AGE DISCRIMINATION
5. MCCAIN ADMITTING THAT HE DOES NOT KNOW MUCH ABOUT THE ECONOMY (WHICH IS IN THE TOILET)
6. BUSH BEING VIEWED BY HISTORIANS AS ONE OF THE WORST PRESIDENTS IN US HISTORY
7. THE REPUBLICAN CORRUPTION AROUND THE WAR AND WAR/OIL INDUSTRY
8. THE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OBAMA HAS RAISED FOR HIS CAMPAIGN….
9. THE INTERNATIONAL HATRED OF U.S. REPUBLICANS
THEN THE DEMOCRATS CLEARLY PICKED A LOSER. STOP BLAMING A WOMAN FOR YOUR WEAKNESS. STAND UP, BE A MAN, AND WALK STRAIGHT. LOL. THIS IS HILARIOUS.
PS: PLEASE HELP SPREAD THIS LIST AROUND THE WEB. IT’S PRICELESS.

Posted by: tony | March 31, 2008, 9:21 pm 9:21 pm

Pat,
OBAMA Helped passing Senate “Ethic Reform Bill”
You can get some help from that too as you are trying to spread Hate in the name of Blogging!!
OBAMA08!!YES WE CAN!!

Posted by: RC | March 31, 2008, 9:56 pm 9:56 pm

Dean,
I heard the recording of Obama, too- in his own words saying he would rather his daughters have an abortion than be burdened with a baby! He went on record here in Illinois saying that! Go to Obama’s Illinois voting record. It is on record he voted AGAINST THE BAN ON PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION! Obama is for Abortion on Demand- and if the baby survives the abortion- LET THE BURDEN DIE on the table! No wonder he was ranked by the National Journal as the “MOST LIBERAL SENATOR” in 2006 and 2007! So much for uniting our country and reaching across the isle! “JUST WORDS-NO DEEDS”

Posted by: arlan59 | March 31, 2008, 9:57 pm 9:57 pm

RC: Yes “who” can “what”, exactly?

Posted by: calijani | March 31, 2008, 9:57 pm 9:57 pm

Ok kids an Obama accomplishment… [idiots]
He voted against turning Abortion doctors into felons.
NEXT! Silly republicans pretending to be Hillary supporters.

Posted by: James in Idaho | March 31, 2008, 9:59 pm 9:59 pm

@ No bama
Clinton’s success is a classic case of psychological projection. People are so sick of the Republican disaster of the last 8 years, and they are so willing to reject all of the past, that they are seeing whatever they want to see in this woman.
And they are not seeing what is there because it doesn’t fit the image that they have conflated.
All the signs are there….
Now, she didn’t fill out a form, even though she wrote notes on it.
She wouldn’t want her daughter to live with the “mistake” of baby, so she supports abortion rights.
She voted against protecting fetuses who were born alive in a failed abortion.
Tsk, tsk poor wee Hillary… so sad your policies are not far off Obama’s and now ONLY YOUR bad spin is getting press. Tsk, tsk.

Posted by: James in Idaho | March 31, 2008, 10:29 pm 10:29 pm

let’s see: Rezko, Wright, Ayers, the Chicago political machine that supports him that is notorious for its cutthroat unethical politics which is starting to get play in the press (Obama is fraud saying he is a different kind of politician), lying about JFK helping his father, a middle name of Hussein, did I mention the racist, anti-amercain, anti-semite Wright? What part of unelectable do Obama supporters not udnerstand.

Posted by: Jacob | March 31, 2008, 10:38 pm 10:38 pm

Obama lost a lot of voters with that boneheaded statement about not wanting his daughters to be punished with a pregnancy. I’m 8 months along and could not believe what I heard. The tongues will be wagging tomorrow over that one.

Posted by: Kelly | March 31, 2008, 10:38 pm 10:38 pm

Acanthus,
It has been “morphing” over the last several months with some damaging things being completely removed while many others have been severely toned down.

Posted by: SadStateOfAffairs | March 31, 2008, 10:40 pm 10:40 pm

The black value system has indeed been moved from where it was before. And Obama’s camp aren’t letting Wright give any interviews or comments since this broke. Imagine that.

Posted by: Amy | March 31, 2008, 10:40 pm 10:40 pm

No Again that’s you all and spin…
Nope… still grounded.
Again, you’re still a bunch of spin doctors trying to work your magic. Still fighting equal education so the masses dont’ get Too educated. Sorry. We’re all still too intelligent, too wise, and too educated to simply accept your spin as truth, and your illusory corelations as facts.
Qadafi is a terrorist and there is a connection to Farrakan; ergo there is a connection to Obama due to a cursory promotion by farakan… ha ha ha. Wow, you really are reaching aren’t ya?
You really are Fox news groupies.
“IS the racial issue really squashed? Did Obama’s speech really answer all these questions? Did it? IS the sky really blue… or is it just… Azure… or maybe… Navajo… or possibly… no no I think it’s Cobalt or aqua…
Dopes. Wake up and smell the fresh dairy air.. oops… Derier.. ;P

Posted by: James in Idaho | March 31, 2008, 11:51 pm 11:51 pm

Oh and now that your attempt to connect terrorism has failed oops… now you’re bringing Bill Clinton into it to connect the two ha ha ha. Riiiiiight.
Reeeeeeeachiiiiing.
Give it a rest already.

Posted by: James in Idaho | March 31, 2008, 11:54 pm 11:54 pm

when is the media going to talk about Obama’s lies in his autobiography, similar to liar James Frey.
People, google: “Obama exposed as a fraud”
More lies.

Posted by: jay | April 1, 2008, 12:13 am 12:13 am

Also, why isn’t the Media reporting about Obama’s ties to Auchi, Ayers, Odinga, and Meeks?
Stop the media bias.

Posted by: Jay | April 1, 2008, 12:16 am 12:16 am

@jay
They can’t right now… too busy trying to pick up Hillary’s Million Little Pieces… you know… the ones mixed in with John McSames?
:P

Posted by: James in Idaho | April 1, 2008, 12:18 am 12:18 am

My dearest President Reagan. How I wish you were our President forever. I miss you. We all miss you.

Posted by: Margeaux | April 1, 2008, 12:20 am 12:20 am

“I just don’t understand what makes you folks feel that Obama is the man for the job==what has he ever done to better this nation as a whole? I know he has said a lot of things but talk is cheap, action is what makes … etc., etc., etc. blah, blah, blah… I HAVE gone to HIS site, adn I have gone to HIS site, and I HAVE gone to HER site, and HE [Obama] is still BY FAR THEE best candidate for the job.

Posted by: James in Idaho | April 1, 2008, 12:21 am 12:21 am

ruthru, in a comment on commondreams:
“Obama’s latest response to the economic collapse is to bring back some regulation. That’s a far cry from what needs to be done. You can see the trepidation on his face when he suggested regulation. It took 10 or 15 minutes for him to even mention his proposal for the crisis in his speech. His supporters will call it “eloquent” speaking. I call it hedging.”

Posted by: EdgarCayce | April 1, 2008, 1:10 am 1:10 am

@EdgarCayce…
Could it be because everytime the word regulation comes up republicans foam at the moutht thinking their guns are being taken away, the guvmnts after em, and “those sneeky dems r tryin ta take away our GOD GIVEN RIGHTS!”
Hmmm think that might be somethin there? You’re as bad as Glenn, I love Bush… while pretending to be moderately against him [silent pat on back], Beck.
Hmm I hear has recently been trolling this site for “original” ideas for hsi show.

Posted by: James in Idaho | April 1, 2008, 2:00 am 2:00 am

James in Idaho –
When you look at Obama’s positions on his site, do you ever wonder HOW he is going to do the things he proposes? As NOTHING in his history shows the ability to actually get much done, self promotion and bullying out competition so that he becomes an inevitable candidate aside, what on Earth are you basing your faith in this candidate on?

Posted by: Jay in LA | April 1, 2008, 2:30 am 2:30 am

Jay in LA –
When you look at Clinton’s positions on her site, do you ever wonder HOW she is going to do the things she proposes? As NOTHING in her history shows the ability to actually get much done, self promotion and bullying out competition so that she becomes an inevitable candidate aside, what on Earth are you basing your faith in this candidate on?
When you look at McCain’s positions on his site, do you ever wonder HOW he is going to do the things he proposes? As NOTHING in his history shows the ability to actually get much done, self promotion and bullying out competition so that he becomes an inevitable candidate aside, what on Earth are you basing your faith in this candidate on?
??????
Do tell…

Posted by: James in Idaho | April 1, 2008, 3:16 am 3:16 am

Here’s a lil hint about this stuff… If you can have you’re own words thrown back at you, and have them turn out to be the exact same thing… you should probably find a different strategy.

Posted by: James in Idaho | April 1, 2008, 3:19 am 3:19 am

No seriously that wasn’t rhetorical… you first.

Posted by: James in Idaho | April 1, 2008, 3:20 am 3:20 am

Nadhmi Auchi, wired $3.5 million to Tony Rezko about one month before Mrs. Rezko purchased land adjacent to the Obama home from the same seller.

Posted by: Raul | April 1, 2008, 4:18 am 4:18 am

It appears to me that Trinity is cleaning it up so it will fit more with Obama’s contention that we really didn’t hear or see Wright at all….now we are being convinced that anti-American is OK…Maybe the government did invent AIDS to harm Blacks…Farrakan’s longstanding “sound bit” defense can work for Obama and Wright…It’s OK to hate Whites as long as you do it from behind a pulpit.Imus was wrong and should be fired…Wright was right and should get an award…and Obama has gotten past the Wright controversy.
All I can say is see you in November.

Posted by: Jackie | April 1, 2008, 4:22 am 4:22 am

I wish the media would really report on the house of cards that is Obama
Sen. Obama consistently and falsely claims that he was a law professor. The Sun-Times reported that, “Several direct-mail pieces issued for Obama’s primary [Senate] campaign said he was a law professor at the University of Chicago. He is not. He is a senior lecturer (now on leave) at the school. In academia, there is a vast difference between the two titles. Details matter.” In academia, there’s a significant difference: professors have tenure while lecturers do not. [Hotline Blog, 4/9/07; Chicago Sun-Times, 8/8/04]
Obama claimed credit for nuclear leak legislation that never passed. “Obama scolded Exelon and federal regulators for inaction and introduced a bill to require all plant owners to notify state and local authorities immediately of even small leaks. He has boasted of it on the campaign trail, telling a crowd in Iowa in December that it was ‘the only nuclear legislation that I’ve passed.’ ‘I just did that last year,’ he said, to murmurs of approval. A close look at the path his legislation took tells a very different story. While he initially fought to advance his bill, even holding up a presidential nomination to try to force a hearing on it, Mr. Obama eventually rewrote it to reflect changes sought by Senate Republicans, Exelon and nuclear regulators. The new bill removed language mandating prompt reporting and simply offered guidance to regulators, whom it charged with addressing the issue of unreported leaks. Those revisions propelled the bill through a crucial committee. But, contrary to Mr. Obama’s comments in Iowa, it ultimately died amid parliamentary wrangling in the full Senate.” [New York Times, 2/2/08]
Obama misspoke about his being conceived because of Selma. “Mr. Obama relayed a story of how his Kenyan father and his Kansan mother fell in love because of the tumult of Selma, but he was born in 1961, four years before the confrontation at Selma took place. When asked later, Mr. Obama clarified himself, saying: ‘I meant the whole civil rights movement.’” [New York Times, 3/5/07]
LA Times: Fellow organizers say Sen. Obama took too much credit for his community organizing efforts. “As the 24-year-old mentor to public housing residents, Obama says he initiated and led efforts that thrust Altgeld’s asbestos problem into the headlines, pushing city officials to call hearings and a reluctant housing authority to start a cleanup. But others tell the story much differently. They say Obama did not play the singular role in the asbestos episode that he portrays in the best-selling memoir ‘Dreams From My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance.’ Credit for pushing officials to deal with the cancer-causing substance, according to interviews and news accounts from that period, also goes to a well-known preexisting group at Altgeld Gardens and to a local newspaper called the Chicago Reporter. Obama does not mention either one in his book.” [Los Angeles Times, 2/19/07]
Chicago Tribune: Obama’s assertion that nobody had indications Rezko was engaging in wrongdoing ’strains credulity.’ “…Obama has been too self-exculpatory. His assertion in network TV interviews last week that nobody had indications Rezko was engaging in wrongdoing strains credulity: Tribune stories linked Rezko to questionable fundraising for Gov. Rod Blagojevich in 2004 – more than a year before the adjacent home and property purchases by the Obamas and the Rezkos.” [Chicago Tribune editorial, 1/27/08]
Obama was forced to revise his assertion that lobbyists ‘won’t work in my White House.’ “White House hopeful Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) was forced to revise a critical stump line of his on Saturday – a flat declaration that lobbyists ‘won’t work in my White House’ after it turned out his own written plan says they could, with some restrictions… After being challenged on the accuracy of what he has been saying – in contrast to his written pledge – at a news conference Saturday in Waterloo, Obama immediately softened what had been his hard line in his next stump speech.” [Chicago Sun-Times, 12/16/07]
FactCheck.org: ‘Selective, embellished and out-of-context quotes from newspapers pump up Obama’s health plan.’ “Obama’s ad touting his health care plan quotes phrases from newspaper articles and an editorial, but makes them sound more laudatory and authoritative than they actually are. It attributes to The Washington Post a line saying Obama’s plan would save families about $2,500. But the Post was citing the estimate of the Obama campaign and didn’t analyze the purported savings independently. It claims that “experts” say Obama’s plan is “the best.” “Experts” turn out to be editorial writers at the Iowa City Press-Citizen – who, for all their talents, aren’t actual experts in the field. It quotes yet another newspaper saying Obama’s plan “guarantees coverage for all Americans,” neglecting to mention that, as the article makes clear, it’s only Clinton’s and Edwards’ plans that would require coverage for everyone, while Obama’s would allow individuals to buy in if they wanted to.” [FactCheck.org, 1/3/08]
Sen. Obama said ‘I passed a law that put Illinois on a path to universal coverage,’ but Obama health care legislation merely set up a task force. ”As a state senator, I brought Republicans and Democrats together to pass legislation insuring 20,000 more children. And 65,000 more adults received health care…And I passed a law that put Illinois on a path to universal coverage.” The State Journal-Register reported in 2004 that “The [Illinois State] Senate squeaked out a controversial bill along party lines Wednesday to create a task force to study health-care reform in Illinois. […] In its original form, the bill required the state to offer universal health care by 2007. That put a ‘cloud’ over the legislation, said Sen. Dale Righter, R-Mattoon. Under the latest version, the 29-member task force would hold at least five public hearings next year.” [Obama Health Care speech, 5/29/07; State Journal-Register, 5/20/04]
ABC News: ‘Obama…seemed to exaggerate the legislative progress he made’ on ethics reform. “ABC News’ Teddy Davis Reports: During Monday’s Democratic presidential debate, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., seemed to exaggerate the legislative progress he has made on disclosure of “bundlers,” those individuals who aggregate their influence with the candidate they support by collecting $2,300 checks from a wide network of wealthy friends and associates. When former Alaska Sen. Mike Gravel alleged that Obama had 134 bundlers, Obama responded by telling Gravel that the reason he knows how many bundlers he has raising money for him is “because I helped push through a law this past session to disclose that.” Earlier this year, Obama sponsored an amendment [sic] in the Senate requiring lobbyists to disclose the candidates for whom they bundle. Obama’s amendment would not, however, require candidates to release the names of their bundlers. What’s more, although Obama’s amendment was agreed to in the Senate by unanimous consent, the measure never became law as Obama seemed to suggest. Gravel and the rest of the public know how many bundlers Obama has not because of a ‘law’ that the Illinois Democrat has ‘pushed through’ but because Obama voluntarily discloses that information.” [ABC News, 7/23/07]

Posted by: Jackie | April 1, 2008, 4:28 am 4:28 am

i am so tired about of hearing about what Barack said in Selma. I am a middle aged WHITE woman and I was there. He was speaking of the ehole civil rights movement. No one thought he was saying his parents met in Selma. Listen to the whole speach. it is disturbing to me how the media takes things out of context and presents them as the truth. It makes me wonder what else the MSM is lying about.

Posted by: pam | April 1, 2008, 6:26 am 6:26 am

@M – completely agree with you.
In some ways this reminds me of how Hitler came into power in the 30′s with a popular, almost cult like following.
Obama is a very clever talker. He has no credentials and is covering up views that he has shared with Rev Wright for over 20 years. Remember, we are talking spiritual mentor and close personal friend of Obama. Probably the top 3 or 4 people in Obama’s life to shape his views.
I can’t believe the MSM and party leaders are so duped. Say no to Obamination. Anyone but Obama.
Go Hillary ’08!! We have a long way to go. Remember NH where the polls were not accuarate. Let the people vote, especially count all the votes in FL and MI.

Posted by: keval | April 1, 2008, 6:46 am 6:46 am

My god people… don’t you spin doctors and wanna-be know-it-alls ever sleep? My gods people, I run a tiny motel in Kamiah, Idaho for goodness sakes. Dead man, and when I say dead I mean *Bells ringing softly in the background* D-E-A-D; dead.
SO, I have time to read all this stuff and actually bring sensible arguments.
Let’s face it, their is no connection to him and Jim Jones, Warren Jeffes, Muslims, Black Power Militants, blah blah blah so on and so forth that in anyway compares at all to the evil that one little white lie by the Bush administration has done… WMD’s WMD’s they’re everywhere….
Seriously it’s like a childs bed time story gone horribley slanted and skewed…
*Scary sounds, scary sounds* Oh no mommy there’s a liberal under my bed… he’s playing footsies with the conservative… ah… and.. what?! IS… is that John Wayne Gasey?!
Lions and Tigers and Bears Oh my!
Oh goodness, Oh Gracious… it’s cut and runners, and tax and spenders, and oh no they’re all in it with fat cat neo-cons, Oil Barrons, and carpetbaggers, and …. hey… I’m running out of stupid words to re re inventify like Nukular and prestidigitation and other
strange
20′s speak.
Move along dullards, there will be another groupd of supposed experts along in a few seconds to tell you about another boogie man to fear.

Posted by: James in Idaho | April 1, 2008, 6:51 am 6:51 am

Poor Barack doesn’t want his daughters to be “punished” with a pregnancy and would want them to get an abortion. Michelle must be soooo proud of him.

Posted by: Karen | April 1, 2008, 6:52 am 6:52 am

When Rev. Wright said “Black men turning on black men – that is fighting the wrong enemy. . . ” was that a “call to arms” against whites?
He uses the same strategy employed by radicals and haters throughout history. They spew a well designed mixture of lies and truth intended to enrage the listener and create a mob mentality within the confines of a church.

Posted by: Alan | April 1, 2008, 6:52 am 6:52 am

This week I am re-registering as an Independent…I can’t wait to get out of the Democratic Party!!! I cannot believe I seriously considered voting for Obama but when I read the article from Rolling Stone (2/07), originally entitled “The Radical Roots of Barack Obama” but later changed to “Destiny’s Child”, where in the article the writer emphasized Obama picked (in italics) Rev. Wright and that Wright’s teachings surged through Obama, it sent chills down my spine, especially when hearing Rev. Wright’s taped sermons and then hearing Obama do the audio on his first book, describing the “white man”….now I know why Al Sharpton gets put on TV all the time, despite his lying to try and convict an innocent man. There is definitely something EVIL going on and these people in Congress and Government (and their buddies in the media) who we are suppose to trust are interested in only one thing, power for themselves. Just like James Madison wrote many years ago “Men are not Angels”, and we should not expect them to be so.

Posted by: Diane | April 1, 2008, 7:04 am 7:04 am

Why yes, please do ignore the rules in their case and give every other upset previosu candidate an excuse to get back in the race… please please do put delgates in that th republican majorities in your state have nicely wrapped up for you… a lil bruised and batterd, but go ahead put them all back in and for god sakes make sure you count the ones with the republican endorsement.
Look, facts are facts people and stubborn things they are… all delegates in that state have been manipulated by republican hands. But hey… if you can figure out a way to seat new delegates, without looking like pandering asses that republicans can then lie about some more… please do.

Posted by: James in Idaho | April 1, 2008, 7:04 am 7:04 am

@James in Idaho
Have you heard of this quote (this may not be exact but very close).
‘The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.’
The point being that the way Obama is coming into power is similar to how other evil people have come into power. They are swept up in a cult like manner by the public. No scrutiny of their actions, only listening to words that they want to hear.
If laughing helps you to not see the truth, then you need to do what you need to do.

Posted by: keval | April 1, 2008, 7:10 am 7:10 am

@Keval
Have you heard of this quote….
‘The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.’
Heard of it…???? I LIVE buy it. That’s wwhy I’m here; fighting your ignorance.
The point being that the way ANY candidate in this or ANY election is coming into power is similar to how other evil people have come into power. They are swept up in a cult like manner by the public. No scrutiny of their actions, only listening to words that they want to hear.
If equating my laughing with something disingenuous [as I was truly laughing at your terribly confident ignorance] helps you to not see the truth, then you need to do what you need to do.
Just remember a few lil ditty’s of my own if you please… or if oyu don’t please…
“Ignorance Spoken with Passion is often mistaken as Fact” ~ Me… speaking on George W. Bush
“Any case is like a math word problem; without the math [representing evidence] all you have is a problem, no math and an incomplete story”~ Me… also speaking on George W. Bush
“History is a guidepost, not a Hitching post” ~ Not Me … but dang it’s good. Wish Id have thought of it. It works Sooooo well especiually in this case.
;)

Posted by: James in Idaho | April 1, 2008, 7:18 am 7:18 am

Obama was on the board of directors of the Woods Fund with Ayers. The fund gave a $45,000.00 grant to the Arab-American Action Network (AAAN) run by Khalidid’s wife. The AAAN supposedly supports the PLO. It is also been said that Obama made a speech at Khalidi’s house with his wife Michelle at his side in support of the PLO. It goes along with Rev. Wrights views on the middle east. They cannot “scrub” the TUCC site hard enough to get rid of all the evil racist dirt on it.

Posted by: rs | April 1, 2008, 7:33 am 7:33 am

Again, ABC is still antiObama, lukewarm McCain and pro Hillary and Bill. Read all of the articles. Is this by chance that everyday this occurs on this website. Good work George Stephanopoulos!! As we all know George is FORMER Bill Clinton Communication Director and FORMER Senior Aide to Bill Clinton. He is CURRENTLY the Chief Washington Correspondent for ABC News and CURRENTLY anchor of ABC’s Sunday morning program, “This Week with George Stephanopoulos. Is this by chance that the articles on this entire site is antiObama and lukewarm at best for McCain? Talk about unbiased media. Read the articles and you decide. Just print the facts and let the American people decide…not All About the Clinton (ABC) News.

Posted by: greenlee2 | April 1, 2008, 7:49 am 7:49 am

You know I’ve answered this crap.
Scrub it from your site all you want but you know it’s true…
The war in Iraq is ILLEGITIMATE. PERIOD! All the soldiers Deaths over there ARE in vain, and oyu know it, it hasn’t worked it sin’t workign,a nd it can never work in that environment with a republican at the helm… EVER!
The war in IRAQ is ILLEGITIMATE. Which, sadly, makes all this talk of heroism and nobility, and high-mindedness, also, ILLEGITIMATE> WAKE UP!

Posted by: James in Idaho | April 1, 2008, 7:53 am 7:53 am

All I can say is if his name was Clinton or McCain he wouldn’t have to worry because the MEDIA does the scrubbing for them. Oh… yeah they will run an article for a week, but look how quickly it runs down. You guys still treat a former President who lied under oath with words such as charisma. LOL! Hillary complains about everything and yet she is suppose to be an example of a strength??? LOL! McCain… isn’t a natural born citizen, but you are willing to look past it because “Songbird” is portrayed as this rough and tough hero. All this DayOne, Experience, Solutions crap is nothing more than what? A SPEECH! LOL! Ask anyone on the street for a solution and they can come up with one. LOL! Will Clinton answer to a bad Red Phone response be… “I misspoke it proves I’m human.”
WE NEED NEW FRESH IDEAS. OBAMA IS THAT!!!

Posted by: Greg | April 1, 2008, 7:56 am 7:56 am

Obama judgement is sound
He heard the commennts about the war and had the sound judgement to speak out about it.
When he heard Rev Wright’s comments about some aspects of his American experience. Obama stood up and gave a compelling position on how he feels about Rev Wright’s statements and how he (Obama) views America – there is a distinct difference between Obama’s position and Rev Wright’s position.
It is a complement to the man that he could be in a church that advocates black theology and self empowerment – but historically Obama has championed the causes of all American’s that require his help.
Great man, great future.
Wright’s comments are not Obama’s even after 20 years. He has not made those comments attributed to Wright. That shows good judgement, he does not need to lie to conveince America, just good judgement.
Sniper fire expected – that what happened.

Posted by: itblogger | April 1, 2008, 8:08 am 8:08 am

@WestCoastMessenger
LOL! You need to hear the audio of Hillary’s initial response to the Michigan and Florida penalty. They asked her why her name was still on the ballot of Michigan while others removed theirs. She said it doesn’t matter because they won’t count. NOT THEY NEED TO COUNT!!! She casually passed it off and she had not objections.
The blame falls on who represents FL and MI and went ahead and moved the primary KNOWING the penalty.
I mean otherwise why don’t the states that already had their primaries redo it because they changed their mind, right? Rules… are rules… What makes no sense is to blame someone who didn’t put you in this situation because they are negotiating a fair system. Mailing is in no way secure. There are other issues too and I’m sure if you were in that position you wouldn’t just vote to say ok. Kinda like your job. You might like the idea of working 4 days instead of 5 right? But it depends on how much that benefit will cost you right? Right.

Posted by: Greg | April 1, 2008, 8:09 am 8:09 am

I have followed this website for weeks and have e-mailed letters about it, repeatedly, to every outlet and every anchor or contributor, and the media ignored it like a skunk.
Fox dallied with it, but no one broke it as the smoking gun to halt BHO’s “Ascent to the Presidency.”
The fact that the press is aware that it is sanitized means they were aware that it was there, yet no one called Obama to account for what is obviously a long-term, anti-white, pro-African, racist organization, of which BHO is a product.
Want to know what Obama really believes? His true agenda? Look at the snarling, patronization of Rev. Wright, or read and apply the attacks at White America by the NEW minister Otis Moss III!
The Press have given BHO a total pass for these debilitating pieces of evidence. They identify him as the “Manchurian Candidate” of the New Millenium, groomed for 20 yrs, in a madrassah like cauldron of African and American “Black Liberation Theology” and “Black Values System.” Connections with Farrakhan and others seal the deal, or do they?
The news is not that the site is being sanitized, but that it was ignored for all this time!

Posted by: Rick | April 1, 2008, 8:18 am 8:18 am

I have followed this website for weeks and have e-mailed letters about it, repeatedly, to every outlet and every anchor or contributor, and the media ignored it like a skunk.
Fox dallied with it, but no one broke it as the smoking gun to halt BHO’s “Ascent to the Presidency.”
The fact that the press is aware that it is sanitized means they were aware that it was there, yet no one called Obama to account for what is obviously a long-term, anti-white, pro-African, racist organization, of which BHO is a product.
Want to know what Obama really believes? His true agenda? Look at the snarling, patronization of Rev. Wright, or read and apply the attacks at White America by the NEW minister Otis Moss III!
The Press have given BHO a total pass for these debilitating pieces of evidence. They identify him as the “Manchurian Candidate” of the New Millenium, groomed for 20 yrs, in a madrassah like cauldron of African and American “Black Liberation Theology” and “Black Values System.” Connections with Farrakhan and others seal the deal, or do they?
The news is not that the site is being sanitized, but that it was ignored for all this time!

Posted by: Rick | April 1, 2008, 8:19 am 8:19 am

For all his talents as a speaker, Obama failed to explain why he remained so close with this minister and remained a contributing member of this church for twenty years. This was not a casual, passing relationship – he had been married there and had his children baptized there. He compared his relationship to the minister like his to his grandmother, who he disagreed with but loved and could never completely disown.
Mr. Obama, I did not choose why my grandparents are, and believe me I’ve disagreed with them many times over our lives. I can chose my religious teachers and would never have remained a member of that congregation if I heard even a single sermon made like Wright’s. Making a comparison like this to explain your membership in this church is an insult to our intelligence.

Posted by: Ravnwing | April 1, 2008, 8:28 am 8:28 am

Pam – The media is COVERING for OBAMA’s lies. Not the media lies. OBAMA’S LIES. Why would they continue covering the story of Bosnia sniper fire but not report on his lie about Kennedy not bringing his father over here. Obama’s campaign admitted it was a lie. Why is no one covering this? The Bosnia thing is about a week old now.
Obama is a not a good role model for children. His hatred for whites and lies do not belong anywhere near the White House.

Posted by: Jenny | April 1, 2008, 8:35 am 8:35 am

If we don’t want this guy then go to the Hillary clinton’s site and help us call people and get out her vote.

Posted by: Jean | April 1, 2008, 8:42 am 8:42 am

Puleese. You people kill me. As if y’all haven’t said crap in the past! Racism is alive and well in the United States. Rev Wright just called y’all out about it! I’m so sick of you people acting like you are clutching your pearls when you heard Rev Wright’s message. Get over yourselves. Racism in American is alive and well, and until you people change your way of thinking that because you are white you are automatically entitled to the first-fruits, then Black folks are still gonna feel they way we feel. Get over yourselves. Most Blacks people have to work twice as hard to get half as much in the U.S.. Check the stats. Wright just called YOU PEOPLE out. Get over yourself, and quit acting like he couldn’t mean “us”.

Posted by: PC | April 1, 2008, 9:01 am 9:01 am

@ Tony…
Shouldn’t that list say if a Democrat?
Because right now the indication is the bickering hurts whoever wins.
So lets try and keep the fact straight.
If America can vote Bush in for 2 terms I don’t put anything past the people. LOL!
America likes to fabricate excuses for doing the wrong thing right Tony?
I’m sure if you somehow voted for McCain, despite that list, you would claim Obama is the wrong candidate. LOL!

Posted by: Greg | April 1, 2008, 9:13 am 9:13 am

The real news in the Trumpet article is Rev. Wright’s disdain for the “foolishness” of supersized, fundamentalist Christian congregations. You had better believe that the McCain campaign will make sure every such church and all of their parishioners know these quotes by heart come the fall. That’s good for a couple more million votes lost.

Posted by: Micah Rasmussen | April 1, 2008, 9:29 am 9:29 am

I hope they(Libs) keep pulling for him- the dem party will be turning against each other in no time. When their loss comes in November, it will be all finger pointing.

Posted by: bjacket | April 1, 2008, 9:33 am 9:33 am

@ Jenny
“Pam – The media is COVERING for OBAMA’s lies. Not the media lies. OBAMA’S LIES. Why would they continue covering the story of Bosnia sniper fire but not report on his lie about Kennedy not bringing his father over here. Obama’s campaign admitted it was a lie. Why is no one covering this? The Bosnia thing is about a week old now.
Obama is a not a good role model for children. His hatred for whites and lies do not belong anywhere near the White House.”
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You are a joke and what Hillary or Chelsea alias??? Who raised this man? So how is he going to be racist against whites????? That makes NO SENSE!!!
You said the sniper story has been over a week. Well the Wright story has been put to rest much longer than that and yet you are willing to address it.
The difference is HILLARY WORDS!!!
DIRECT QUOTE! FALSE ACCOUNT!! RESOURCE CREDIBILITY FOUNDATION ISSUE!!!
Obama is about his pastor’s words.
No direct quotes. Show me him standing up their speaking those words and you win. Show me!
The fact is America doesn’t like to take responsibility for its own actions.
The 2 Atom bombs dropped were NOT necessary and this has been proven. Do your internet, library, DOD research. Do you realize how many innocent people died in Iraq considering they were ruled by someone they were forced to be under? Not a democracy, so the people didn’t vote him in. Yet 10s of thousands of people have been killed and for what?????????????? Saddam nor Iraq didn’t attack us. We lost over 2000 lives and we GAVE UP on the person responsible. If you don’t believe me go back to the media archives and listen to all the media and military people talking about how it was hopeless to find Bin Laden in those mountains. The strongest military was told to give up and instead attack Iraq. Our people we call intelligent, brilliant, genius, etc… thought the war was going to be over in a few months. D_mn it didn’t take a war simulation to realize that wasn’t true. Now look where we are today.
When we attacked Afghanistan I was 100% behind it. I would have been 100% going into Pakistan if necessary, after all the policy was suppose to be go where they are harbored correct????? Is that the excuse being used for occupying Iraq? Well why in the world wouldn’t we go into Pakistan??? BECAUSE THEY REALLY DO HAVE WMD!!!! That should have told the America people right there this war was based on a lie as well as the way we went in.
The media should have caught this but they were too caught up in being behind the scenes to possibly have an award winning documentary. But once reality started coming out suddenly they were gone or removed. Suddenly, it was a policy to protect our troops. Hmmmm… had no problem with it before.
We are a democracy. Not family ruled. Get over our past British King/Queen, Prince/Princess ties.
The true embarrassment of our democracy is believing TWO families should rule this country. Too many people to choose from. I don’t want to see another Bush or Clinton at this level for another 100 years.

Posted by: Greg | April 1, 2008, 9:37 am 9:37 am

PC – I for one believe the descendents of people who owned slaves should pay the descendents of the slaves they owned SOMETHING. If these descendents of “masters” have inherited some sort of wealth, which is based largely on slave labor, they owe it to the slave descendents.
Now, people in PA and OH helped slaves escape; do you know anything about the Underground Railroad? People in PA & OH do not like to be called “typical white person” or “Archie Bunkers” or “racists” because our DESCENDENTS fought and were killed in order to abolish slavery. Our Descendents helped slaves escape through the underground railroad. We don’t take too kindly all of this black hatred against US. The PA primary results will speak volumes about black hate toward whites.

Posted by: Jackson | April 1, 2008, 9:46 am 9:46 am

James in Idaho, you can say it all you want…it doesn’t make it true. The Battle in Iraq IS legitimate. Congress gave President Bush the authority to go into Iraq…. period! And we are fighting al Qaeda in Iraq. They were there BEFORE we invaded. Granted a much smaller group, but they did have a training camp in northern Iraq at least 6 months if not a year before the invasion. In case you aren’t aware, the resolution granting President Bush the authority to go into Iraq specifically mentions the fact that al Qaeda was in Iraq. That resolution was passed in October of 2002. Now as long as al Qaeda is still in Iraq, any pullout without a clear defeat of al Qaeda will be seen as America surrendering the white flag and hailed as a military victory over the mighty American military. Should that happen, THAT would be the first step towards to end of Western Civilization.

Posted by: James Danley | April 1, 2008, 9:48 am 9:48 am

Greg – You’re the joke if you think your joke of a candidate is going to occupy the white house with that filth hate mouth so called reverend. Your joke candidate continues to lie every day to cover up his fraud past; the media help him cover it up. Your joke candidate has had no experience and has had not ONE meeting in his committee that could have helped Afghanistan but he chose to campaign for a job he can’t possibly do. The JOKE will be one you very soon. Welcome to PA, KY, WV, OH – these states will kick you and your joke out of the race! Can’t wait!

Posted by: Jenny | April 1, 2008, 9:49 am 9:49 am

Greg – Obama said he didn’t hear Wright controversial words, then a week later said he did hear them. That’s a lie. Obama stole words from his buddy, Decal Patrick and claimed them as his own until he was caught. Obama stole Hillary Clinton’s economic policy and claimed them as his own; Obama stole Hillary’s words and ideas at all the debates (“yeah what she said); Obama said his campaign didn’t contact Canada about NAFTA, then after 5 different accounts, said his campaign DID contact Canada. Caught in another LIE. His words. Obama said the Kennedy’s were responsible for bringing his father over to the US from Kenya. Just found out that was a lie – they didn’t. HIS words. Obama said that Rezco only have him 150K for his campaign, then he said it was $250K for his campaign. Another lie from his mouth. Obama is such a liar and a fraud, he cannot be trusted. He’s an idiot that needs to go back and fix his own community in Chicago that desperately needs repair – you know, the Chicago slums he hasn’t done anything to fix? How can he claim he can fix the country? Oh, that’s right – if he steals the nomination and finds a slick way in the white house on some technicality – mark my words – He’ll still all of Clinton’s ideas and policies and claim them as his own similar to what he did in the Illinois Senate (check the Chicago Sun Times – it’s all there).
Your guy is a joke.

Posted by: Jenny | April 1, 2008, 9:57 am 9:57 am

Similarly, all three of the House Democrats who endorsed Obama — Coleman Young II, Bert Johnson, and Aldo Vagnozzi — voted in favor of the bill to push the Michigan date forward. When Obama later took his name off the Michigan ballot, Young and Johnson became sponsors of the bill to cancel the election they had just voted to authorize.
The support of Obama’s principal backers in both states for the move-up bills was hardly consequential, but it does raise questions about his current opposition to any counting or recounting of these states. If bad faith is the DNC’s standard, Obama doesn’t have to look too far to find alleged examples of it, and to recognize that the national party might be unfairly characterizing what the leaders in these states did.
Imagining a convention without delegations from these large and politically volatile states has become the nightmare of every thinking Democrat. Polls indicate that a nominee who refuses to count the 1.7 million Floridians who voted in a level-playing field primary, or to find a way for them to vote again, will wind up wasting whatever time and money he or she spends there in the general election campaign. As close as the general election vote in Michigan has been in recent years, even a small margin of voters disgruntled by the state’s Democratic lockout could push it into the GOP column. Obama’s stonewalling about both states may offer short-term advantages, but two delegations denied seating because of his maneuvers may well be seen as contrary to his populist rationale now — and crippling to his candidacy in November. …

Posted by: Jackson | April 1, 2008, 10:01 am 10:01 am

DO NOT vote for Obama in general election if he is the nominee! That’s the only way for us to wake up the dem party. I’d also want to say that I feel nausea whenever I hear or see the words “Obama 08! YES WE CAN”. Feeling the dizziness….

Posted by: tiger | April 1, 2008, 10:08 am 10:08 am

So now we have the Church Police? AMerica has gone to the dogs indeed!

Posted by: John Jones | April 1, 2008, 10:15 am 10:15 am

bjacket said:
I hope they(Libs) keep pulling for him- the dem party will be turning against each other in no time. When their loss comes in November, it will be all finger pointing.
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read the posts on this page, the bickering and dividing has already started. if thats not already a sign of what he would do this nation i dont know what is.

Posted by: dem.implode | April 1, 2008, 10:16 am 10:16 am

For anyone who’s reading this – there’s still a way to take the election back from the DNC powers, the Media, and whoever is providing Obama with his tons of money (the rich, powerful, corporations, lobbyists – if you want I can provide a list of lobbyists and corporations). This money is being used to pay superdelegates for their support. He had paid over $700K to superdelegates while Clinton has paid $150K. Why would the middle class and general population of the US want a rich guy with connections like this again (Bush) with no original ideas or experience? And don’t get me started on his slick past and lies.
What about MI & FL? Donna Brazille is hinting that those votes will be counted but not until after Clinton is out of the race! That’s makes sense for the Obama Supporter, Brazille. If you’re going to count them later, why not count them now when it could make a difference? What is it that Obama is the only one not on board with revoting or at least counting FL, where everyone had an equal shot (except that he ran commercials)? Because it obviously wouldn’t go in his favor.
Why are the good people of the U.S. allowing the rich, wealthy, connected, power Democratic officials, rev wright haters, Media liberals/republicans to call this election? You see Clinton struggling with money and positive media exposure while Obama is getting money from the rich and his lies are being glossed over by the media.
What is wrong here? We can take this election back and get Obama out of it. We need to call him on his lies and INSIST THE MEDIA COVERS ALL THE LIES EQUALLY. Or, just blow Obama out of the primaries in PA, OR, NC, KY, WV, PR, IN. If enough of the regular people vote for Clinton – it’s winner take all and we will send a message to the ‘powers” who are trying to control this race that we’re taking it back and they can’t control us.

Posted by: Jenny | April 1, 2008, 10:18 am 10:18 am

Obama is going to win. And I think John McCain is going to stick by him. Hillary and Bill as well as Carville will all be campaigning for him too. I know this may be upsetting to a few people but it appears to be a fact.

Posted by: sandrabelcher | April 1, 2008, 10:18 am 10:18 am

Wow sandra, where are you getting what youre smoking – will you share?

Posted by: dem.implode | April 1, 2008, 10:22 am 10:22 am

@ Jenny
LOL!
Shame on you for telling such lies.
Are you a disgruntled Hillary PAID employee who was told she ran out of money so she can’t pay you?
Hillary is using the primaries to pay her bills. LOL!
Watch and see. We all expect her to win Pennsylvania. Lets see her money jump. ;)

Posted by: Greg | April 1, 2008, 10:24 am 10:24 am

They scrubbed the church, just like they scrubbed the Illinois legislature tenure, of Obama. Obama’s motto, “LEAVE NO PAPER TRAILS.” Obama is a fraud and calculating , cunning story teller, of fables and distortions. Who is the real Obama???? Nothing that I have seen is his own. He takes other peoples words, ideas, solutions, legislations, calls them his own. . Now this is who the Democratic party is fighting so hard to put in the White House. Well, he is not electable and I can’t wait to see what the Republicans do to him. Swift boating was mild, he has a very long a trash line, in his following. Republicans have many choices .

Posted by: jp,michigan | April 1, 2008, 10:28 am 10:28 am

@tiger
Wake up the party by Obama becoming president. Again, this is a democracy.
There are PLENTY of educated individuals who are more than capable of running this country. Clinton, Bush, Clinton, Bush, etc… is not a democracy.
McCain is a joke in all aspects.

Posted by: Greg | April 1, 2008, 10:28 am 10:28 am

You people are ridiculous. Obama is “cunning?” “Caluculating?” What conspiracy-theory laden world are you living in? The media has been doing a hit job on this church and Rev. Wright for two weeks. I’m sure it’s their WEBMASTER who is “sanitizing” the website. What’s so sinister about that? You attack the church for its views, you attack them if they stand up for their views, and you attack them if they try to soften their image. I have never seen so many terrified people in my life–scared of a smart, skinny, bi-racial man who just might do more to improve this country than anyone for the past twenty years. Sad, sad, sad.

Posted by: Megan | April 1, 2008, 10:32 am 10:32 am

DNC = Democratic National Comedy
MEDIA = Mediocre Editors Dictating Idiotic Assessments

Posted by: hilarious | April 1, 2008, 10:36 am 10:36 am

(1) This is old news.
(2) Stop being a conspiracy theorist. A church of ANY size is a small-p “political organization.” Decisions taken — and not taken — are the results of conflicts among people of differing opinions. And the larger the church, the larger the potential for conflict. Very few decisions are unanimous.
Trinity’s “Black Value System” was written and adopted in 1981 — that’s 27 years ago. No church can continue to thrive that does not, from time to time, update its statements of faith, values, and mission to reflect the current realities both of its membership and of the social, cultural, economic, and political environment in which it seeks to do its work.
My guess is that, by the time Trinity launched a Web site — 10 years after 1981? 15 years? — the percentage of people in the church who believed that the Black Value System ALREADY had outlived its usefulness had increased considerably, even as those who were most heavily invested in the statement’s original adoption — presumably including Wright — were determined to see it preserved and broadcast online.
Again: A church is a political organization. Once something is put in place, it’s 10 times harder to pull it down. (Not to mention that churches have been “late adopters” of Web sites — most church Web sites are maintained on a volunteer basis and thus are not very frequently updated.
More likely than that Trinity is engaged in some nefarious “scrubbing” project is that Wright’s retirement has provided the church with an opportunity to retire the Black Value System as a guiding statement, and that the “United Church of Christ Statement of Faith in the form of a doxology” that now resides on the church’s About Us page is a new statement that reflects the new leadership of the church’s new pastor, Otis Moss.
Absolutely as it should be. After 27 years, it was time for an update.

Posted by: horizonr | April 1, 2008, 10:52 am 10:52 am

“Don’t you just love it when a plan comes together?”

Posted by: John Acton | April 1, 2008, 10:53 am 10:53 am

“Absolutely as it should be. After 27 years, it was time for an update.”
Despite what Barry Obama might want us to believe, you can’t change your theology like you change your clothes. Words do matter.

Posted by: John Acton | April 1, 2008, 10:58 am 10:58 am

How naive these Obama supporters are here.
Why on earth do you think the Rev. Hate-monger Wright retired when he did? Do you HONESTLY believe it was just a coincidence that Obama needed him gone?
eek
wake up
Yes, Obama has lied every single day of his campaign. Every single day. Sorry, these are just the facts. This isn’t all about Rev. hate-monger Wright. This is about every lie he has made, every lie, about every single statement he has ever made. He is a liar. Liars lie. There is no getting around that fact.
- he’s a chronic liar
- he’s inexperienced
- he follows hate-mongering, anti-American, anti-zionist leaders
umm… what’s left?
oh, wait, yeah, he can lie really good and fool even you!

Posted by: naive | April 1, 2008, 11:00 am 11:00 am

“More likely than that Trinity is engaged in some nefarious “scrubbing” project is that Wright’s retirement has provided the church with an opportunity to retire the Black Value System as a guiding statement, and that the ‘United Church of Christ Statement of Faith in the form of a doxology’ that now resides on the church’s About Us page is a new statement that reflects the new leadership of the church’s new pastor, Otis Moss.”
Your conjectures might be relevant had Barry Obama chosen Rev. Otis Moss as his PERSONAL SPIRITUAL MENTOR, but he didn’t. Instead he chose the racist, Rev. Jeremiah Wright. One must wonder, considering this relationship, just what is candidate Obama’s tolerance level for “hate speech”?

Posted by: John Acton | April 1, 2008, 11:10 am 11:10 am

Questions Barry Obama needs to answer:
1. In early March you said your church was not “particularly controversial.” Later in the month, after video clips of Jeremiah Wright had been repeatedly played on television, you admitted that you had heard Wright make statements in church that qualified him as a “fierce critic” of U.S. domestic and foreign policy and that “could be considered controversial.” You also said you “strongly disagree[d]” with some of Wright’s political views. Can you tell us what you specifically heard Wright say that you considered fiercely critical of U.S. policy, controversial, and with which you strongly disagreed?

Posted by: John Acton | April 1, 2008, 11:19 am 11:19 am

It’s amusing to see the Hillary supporters repeating the names of the three most controversial people that Obama has ever known, in some sort of guilt-by-association mantra that pays no attention to the actual facts. (Facts such as Obama has never been accused of doing anything illegal in regards to Rezko.) It’s amusing because if Obama supporters were to do the same thing to Hillary, the list would be 100 times as long… and far more damning, with actual allegations of wrongdoing in Hillary’s past. But you see, we don’t go there, because we’re better than that. But just because you Hillary supporters are willing to stoop lower than we are, does not mean that your candidate is more electable.

Posted by: Karen | April 1, 2008, 11:28 am 11:28 am

Honestly I’m tired of all of the people saying the media is anti Obama or anti Hillary. I’m tire of so many people saying Obama/Hillary are every day liars. That is a lie within itself, so you need to stop the lying. If you are a democrat support who you want to support Hillary/Obama..but remember at the end of the day whomever wins will support the other (I guarantee it). In my honest opinion I think both will be a huge and necessary face lift for our great country. I personally think that the race is great because it will only prepare both of them for what the Repubs are going to shoot at them. The other thing is by the time one of them wins there won’t be anymore ammo for the Repubs because it will be old news. Dems we need to unite because Repubs are likely to vote for McCain and we cannot give them any additional support. Let US Unite Now DEM 08

Posted by: Jason | April 1, 2008, 11:39 am 11:39 am

Is this the Trinity sermon you would prefer?:
We thank God for giving us the sign of the Holy-Flag-Lapel-Pin-Made-In-China to help us discern who is a true patriot!
We thank God that black people get called the n- word and that taxis won’t pick them up!
We thank God that black people are not in control of their destiny and instead prop up the wealth of the status quo unquestioningly!
We thank God that black people are called slick hustlers when they achieve positions of prominence!
We thank God that a Governor would speak out to citizens of his state and encourage them not to vote for a black person!
We thank God that America, under the Bush Administration, would send men and women to die in a war that has no justification!
Is this the sermon you would have preferred?

Posted by: A Modest Proposal | April 1, 2008, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm

More Questions for Barry Obama:
2. During the approximately 20 years you attended Trinity United Church of Christ, did you hear Wright make comments or read things published in the “Pastor’s Page” of the church bulletin that could be fairly deemed to be anti-American, anti-Semitic, and/or a “profoundly distorted view of this country” (to quote from your speech on race)?

Posted by: John Acton | April 1, 2008, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm

Can someone find out how much financial and other support the UTCC has given to alleviate the suffering of the black people on the continent of Africa? I want to know what their “Commitment to Africa” means or is it “just words”?

Posted by: ATW | April 1, 2008, 12:13 pm 12:13 pm

Can someone find out how much financial and other support the UTCC has given to alleviate the suffering of the black people on the continent of Africa? I want to know what their “Commitment to Africa” means or is it “just words”?

Posted by: ATW | April 1, 2008, 12:14 pm 12:14 pm

It’s depressing that ABC News is willing to sink to these depths. What’s so remarkable about an organization updating its web site, especially when it’s being scoured for controversial tidbits by the press? You don’t like what it says but they have to keep it up there anyway, is that it? “Senior National Correspondent” indeed. How about Senior Racer Baiter? For shame.

Posted by: Floridavoter | April 1, 2008, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm

To John Acton:
You are angry. because of what you heard and read. Okay. Tell us how your church is pro-American and pro-Semite. Tell us what should have been said at Trinity Church.

Posted by: A Modest Proposal | April 1, 2008, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm

And then there are those of us who hear [most of] Wright’s words–labelled “outrageous” or “unpatriotic” or “crazy”–and find them to be perfectly understandable, even justifiable. Bush supporters DO tend to believe that war is the answer. The U.S. military, carrying out the will of the Bush administration, ARE behaving as terrorists. Innocent people ARE dying, by the tens of thousands. Should a person who would dare speak for God ignore these facts? Does God support Bush’s foreign policy? Is it unpatriotic to suggest He might not?

Posted by: JG | April 1, 2008, 12:47 pm 12:47 pm

Um, the Black Value System is now linked to from the HOME page. Clearly an attempt to bury it.
Ten seconds of research.

Posted by: jt | April 1, 2008, 12:50 pm 12:50 pm

You: Wondering who’s scrubbing the web to sanitize this story.
Me: Wondering why this is a story at all.

Posted by: Brooke W | April 1, 2008, 12:57 pm 12:57 pm

There is a new minister at the church now.
I hope that these changes are perhaps a sign that all of the attention on Trinity has sparked some reflection on how they present themselves to the world, and a desire to look at their stated value system in a new light.

Posted by: Trillium | April 1, 2008, 1:06 pm 1:06 pm

JT’s right–the link to the Black Value System is right there on the Church’s home page.
Any chance Jake Tapper will scrub the inaccuracies and blatantly pointed exaggerations from his “story”? My guess is that Tapper’s bosses would find the truth to be too boring a read.

Posted by: JG | April 1, 2008, 1:07 pm 1:07 pm

Barack Obama – the modern day Elmer Gantry. Please nominate him, so McCain and the vast right wing conspiracy can rip the bark off him. The public will see him for the snake oil salesman he is sooner or later – I’m hoping it’s later

Posted by: Robert | April 1, 2008, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm

Let’s see… who could that be… the webmaster? Where I work, that’s the person who makes changes to the web site.
Perhaps the author could do some in-depth investigative journalism and find out who this person really is. Inquiring minds want to know.

Posted by: Trillium | April 1, 2008, 1:19 pm 1:19 pm

“Can someone find out how much financial and other support the UTCC has given to alleviate the suffering of the black people on the continent of Africa? ”
They are buying the Rev. Wright a $10 million 10,000s.f. home on the golf course in “racist” white suburbia Chicago. Does that count? It is nice to know that Barry Obama’s contribution to his racist church are not being wasted!

Posted by: John Acton | April 1, 2008, 1:32 pm 1:32 pm

To William Anderson:
Anyone can register and post on the Obama site, just as everyone can post a comment here — it is an unmoderated blog.
This does not mean that Tapper or ABC are “aligning themselves” with you or with me or with our statements or affiliations.
Presumably, if our posts are sufficiently obscene or outrageous, they might get deleted, but in unmoderated sites like this one and the Obama blogs this doesn’t happen instantly. Someone reviewing the comments has to notice, sometimes because a complaint is filed by another user.

Posted by: Trillium | April 1, 2008, 1:35 pm 1:35 pm

It is hardly surprising that when a new pastor assumes leadership of a church he would begin to put his own imprint on it. Remember, Otis Moss III is now the pastor at Trinity and is likely updating many things at the church to reflect his beliefs and direction for Trinity. Hardly a conspiracy.

Posted by: Melissa | April 1, 2008, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm

Are they censoring the post? This is my second time trying to post this entry. Has anyone else had this problem?
I am white and have done the work the media is supposed to do. I hope this is not offensive. What is wrong with a religious doctrine that promotes that Black people reject a self-hating image to one that embraces the Bible as a librator. Black Theology is not anti-white. Have any of the news outlets done a story on it? Why is it? From my readings, the black church is not a monolithic institution and the theological orientation of a majority of Black churches is as a mixture of teaching biblical principles infused with a social justice and social change beliefs built upon Jesus being the best example of liberation – Martin Luther King. Thus, the first principle of a black theology is that everyone is created in God’s image Gen. 1:26-27. This perspective is different from most depictions of Christ in the US. He is usually characterized as a white male – in a liberation theology, it understands that all people regardless of race is created in God’s image. Next, Matthew 5:1-12 reflects another aspect of this theology. Due to the challenges in some parts of the black community (high single family rates, homicide rates of black men b/w the ages of 15-30, high incarceration rates), this theology uses the life of Jesus to transform the black community. Thus, these churches promote a value system that is strong family values, deemphasize materialism (e.g., rap culture and others) and to conduct mission work or be good stewards in not only their communities but abroad. These churches focus on the Africa b/c of the many challenges facing different parts of the continent – infusing of radical islam, HIV/AIDS, genocide, famine, and extreme poverty. This theological tradition stems from the prophetic social justice ministry of Martin Luther King and the Civil Rights Movement. I am disgusted that the media has not done their job to even ask the question – what does this theology mean and more importantly is it anti-white. Duke University, Vandy, Union, and most seminary and divinity schools teach about Jesus being a liberator of all.

Posted by: greenlee2 | April 1, 2008, 1:43 pm 1:43 pm

“Perhaps the author could do some in-depth investigative journalism and find out who this person really is. Inquiring minds want to know.”
Personally, like Jerry Wright and Barry Obama, I think it is the NSA, you know, the sames guys who arranged the Twin Towers takedown.

Posted by: John Acton | April 1, 2008, 1:45 pm 1:45 pm

Most of the sermons delivered at Trinity Church were about…church. Sen. Obama did not “sit through 20 years of this.” He sat through 20 years of sermons primarily about Jesus Christ and his life of service, about responsbility to self, family and community. Sen. Obama said he never heard those specific sermons that were making the rounds, but had heard OTHER sermons that were critical of the US government. Let those of you who have never criticized the government and its treatment of veterans, fetuses, etc. stand up.
If you are an intelligent and thoughtful person, you can listen to someone else offer an opinion without letting it convince you. Since all of your posts are based on information you’ve gleaned from listening to other people instead of thinking things through yourselves, I guess none of you would understand critical thinking and independent thought.
Finally, make sure you don’t vote for Jeremiah Wright on November 2. Oh, that’s right. He isn’t on the ballot. Barack Obama, who said NONE of what you have been quoting, is.

Posted by: Danielle | April 1, 2008, 1:49 pm 1:49 pm

greenlee2,
that was awsome!

Posted by: ddpwoman | April 1, 2008, 1:55 pm 1:55 pm

Have you noticed that the “Scrubbing of Trinity” is an article that is linked to various other articles but this is the only article that I can find in multiple places? Check for yourself…
Again, ABC is still antiObama, lukewarm McCain and pro Hillary and Bill. Read all of the articles. Is this by chance that everyday this occurs on this website. Good work George Stephanopoulos!! As we all know George is FORMER Bill Clinton Communication Director and FORMER Senior Aide to Bill Clinton. He is CURRENTLY the Chief Washington Correspondent for ABC News and CURRENTLY anchor of ABC’s Sunday morning program, “This Week with George Stephanopoulos. Is this by chance that the articles on this entire site is antiObama and lukewarm at best for McCain? Talk about unbiased media. Read the articles and you decide. Just print the facts and let the American people decide…not All About the Clinton (ABC) News.

Posted by: greenlee2 | April 1, 2008, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm

TJ,
“I DO NOT BELIEVE THIS OBAMA MAKE-OVER. A MAN CANNOT CHANGE AFTER 20 YRS.”
OBAMA IS FARAKAN IS REV WRIGHT.
LIES LIES LIES
SOON OBAMA’S KIDS WOULD BEGIN TALKING LIKE HIS ANGRY WIFE-MICHELE”
If a man can’t change, then Jesus Christ waisted a lot of time teaching that we could.

Posted by: ddpwoman | April 1, 2008, 2:07 pm 2:07 pm

Of course they are “updating” the Trinity website right now; they don’t want anyone who hasn’t already seen the garbage to get a chance. So funny, Obama supporters as usual try to say it’s normal…you people are SO pathetic. OBAMA WILL LOSE IN THE END! If you think he’s ahead because everyone likes him, think again. It is only because so many people hate Hillary. Welcome President McCain!

Posted by: Thomas | April 1, 2008, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm

I read the website before and after it was “scrubed”. The second version was merely an effort to clarify the church’s beliefs. It was not an effort to fool anyone. The substance of its committment has not changed. But clearly, it was necessary to clarify it’s beliefs for those who are being misinformed by the media.

Posted by: ddpwoman | April 1, 2008, 2:14 pm 2:14 pm

Just to provide a little perspective:
Obama has Rev. Wright; Clinton has been for years part of the super-secret, super-conservative, cult-like “Fellowship”; and McCain has Falwell, John Hagee and his “spiritual guide” Rod Parsley. A maliciously-selected “most-incindiary moments” from any of these would curl the hair of most of us! If a microscope is going to be taken to one candidate’s religious connections, how about we do the same to the others? (You’d find that of the 3, Rev. Wright and Trinity UCC is the most accepted and mainstream, the least controversial, and to me the least frightening) Or maybe we should just – radical thought – consider the candidates themselves, their own integrity and values?

Posted by: Elizabeth | April 1, 2008, 2:14 pm 2:14 pm

No greenlee2: you are just programmed by the propoganda of MSNBC,NBC,CNN and CBS who are cheerleader for the Obama camp…and not so subtly I might add
ABC has been one of the few organizations that actually try to be accurate, fair and balanced ….the way Journalists are suppose to be. They are not suppose to make judgements that is what editorials are for

Posted by: Nick | April 1, 2008, 2:16 pm 2:16 pm

News to Obama and Obamanites: NO YOU WON’T!
JUST WATCH AND SEE.

Posted by: Thomas | April 1, 2008, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm

If this doesn’t explain the deal with Black Liberation Theology and why it has no place in a united American, then nothing will. If the church really believed their belief system and the comments in Trumpet Magazine (which were not sound bytes but full articles) were not offensive, they would have left the site alone. Let’s see if this story makes it to the front page of the major newspapers and news shows. Keith Olbermann will no doubt have one of his long-winded outrages about this, no? Guess not.

Posted by: Mandelay3 | April 1, 2008, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm

ddpwoman: I didn’t say they were pefect… I just think they give you a little more balance than the tabloid news

Posted by: Nick | April 1, 2008, 2:25 pm 2:25 pm

Engine,
AMEN

Posted by: ddpwoman | April 1, 2008, 2:25 pm 2:25 pm

Nick,
I hear you. They are far from it. Still I do encourage you to do some serious investigating on the Trinity itself. Rev. Wright and Obama are not the only one’s being hurt by this controversy. I’m sure there are good people of all races that attend that church that do not deserve to have there church criticized without finding out what there beliefs really are.

Posted by: ddpwoman | April 1, 2008, 2:32 pm 2:32 pm

black liberation theology? what a joke.. pure and simple it is a group that engages in race oriented political indoctrination against white people. It is the same kind of teaching practiced by many Islamic fundamentalist to recruit suicide bombers

Posted by: Nick | April 1, 2008, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm

Nick,
I hear you. They are far from it. Still I do encourage you to do some serious investigating on the Trinity itself. Rev. Wright and Obama are not the only one’s being hurt by this controversy. I’m sure there are good people of all races that attend that church that do not deserve to have their church criticized without finding out what their beliefs really are.

Posted by: ddpwoman | April 1, 2008, 2:34 pm 2:34 pm

More Questions for Barry Obama:
3. When did you first become aware of the fact that in 1984 Reverend Wright traveled to Libya with Louis Farrakhan to visit Muammar Qadhafi? Similarly, when did you become aware of Wright’s role in giving Farrakhan a lifetime-achievement award and that Wright referred to the Nation of Islam leader as a man of “integrity and honesty?” Did those things trouble you when you learned of them?

Posted by: John Acton | April 1, 2008, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm

Nick,
Is it possible that the black liberation theology as taught at Trinity is not anti-white? The churches all over this country use the Holy Bible but does not practice all of what is represented in them. “An eye for and eye..” for example. If I were someone who was unfamiliar with churches actual teaching of forgiveness and I took the bible and saw that passage where it teaches,” an eye for an eye” I would have absolutely no understanding of what the church really stands for today. I would form an uninformed opinion. I believe that is what is happening hear. We have people trying to use books on black liberation theology to define Trinity. Unless you know how Trinity is teaching what they call “black liberation theology” or the “black value system” then you may very well be jumping to the wrong conclusion. Instead of looking to the news to define the church, why not find out from the actual members. Isn’t that you would want anyone to do for you?

Posted by: ddpwoman | April 1, 2008, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm

“Obama has Rev. Wright; Clinton has been for years part of the super-secret, super-conservative, cult-like ‘Fellowship’; and McCain has Falwell, John Hagee and his ‘spiritual guide’ Rod Parsley.”
The obvious difference is that of these Ministries only Barry Obama’s is “black supermist” and America “damning”! I suppose the difference is too nuanced to make an impression on you. A similar bigotry was the cause of the Tutsi genocide by Hutus in Rwanda.

Posted by: John Acton | April 1, 2008, 2:55 pm 2:55 pm

More Questions for Barry Obama:
4. Did you ever, even once, have a conversation with Reverend Wright in which you expressed your concern about his rhetoric and worldview? If not, do you now wish you had? What ought to have triggered that conversation with Wright?

Posted by: John Acton | April 1, 2008, 2:58 pm 2:58 pm

“I am glad the Clintos are just like the Republicans. They racebait and scare white people just like the Republicans.”
Unlike Barry Obama’s personal spiritual mentor, the Rev. Jerry Wright?

Posted by: John Acton | April 1, 2008, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm

You mean the ” the super-secret, super-conservative, cult-like ‘Fellowship’,” the one that holds the National Prayer Breakfast every year which is attended by the President of the United States, the one that invited Bono as a guest speaker in 2006? That one? Come on, you can do better than that. Louis Farrakhan is a real prize and he’s all Obama’s. No need to deflect attention from the truth. Even Oprah and Powell couldn’t stomach Wright and they left “the fold.” Open your eyes.

Posted by: Mandelay3 | April 1, 2008, 3:03 pm 3:03 pm

dddpwoman: you sound like a very nice and sincere person. I myself have tried to judge people by whats inside and I teach my 4 kids to do the same.. If you are a member of the Rv Wright’s church than at the very least you are insensitive to the hurt this hate has on white americans…for years we have heard that from the African American community but the African American community can’t seem to comprehend the concept when its reversed

Posted by: Nick | April 1, 2008, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm

More Questions for Barry Obama:
8. When you/those on your campaign cancelled Reverend Wright’s delivery of the invocation when you formally announced your run for the presidency in February 2007, what were the grounds for the cancellation? What did you know about Wright then that moved you to cancel his appearance?

Posted by: John Acton | April 1, 2008, 3:57 pm 3:57 pm

The only way for Hillary to win is to ignore all the votes and have superdelegates over-turn the will of the voters in the same way that it was over-turned when Bush stole it from Gore. Love Hillary all you want, but she lost. Get over it.

Posted by: Joe | April 1, 2008, 4:16 pm 4:16 pm

“The only way for Hillary to win is to ignore all the votes and have superdelegates over-turn the will of the voters in the same way that it was over-turned when Bush stole it from Gore.”
At least in 2000 the Bush team wanted the votes of Florida voters to count – the Gore folks didn’t. Hmmm! It must be a Democratic Party thing – this not wanting Florida votes to count!

Posted by: John Acton | April 1, 2008, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm

I’m satisfied if Obama can defend his own policies and statements. He doesn’t need to defend his pastor, his wife, his children, cousins, classmates, teammates, friends or co-workers. Obama will be the name on the ballot and that’s who I’m voting for.

Posted by: Keith | April 1, 2008, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm

He is running for Predident of the U.S.
Of course he needs to defend his friends and pastor. These are relationships of choice…..he had no say in who his cousin is.
You can’t tell me that you go to a church for 20 yrs and not agree with the pastor!!!

Posted by: john h | April 1, 2008, 4:43 pm 4:43 pm

John,
The last I checked, Hillary is still referring to herself as a Democrat–and she wants to count the Florida votes, now that the primary all candidates deemed shouldn’t have happened wound up in her favor. And neither of the Democratic candidates would enjoy W’s benefits of having a gubernatorial Florida sibling.
Keep up the self-pleasing work on those “Barry” Obama questions! If you can’t entertain yourself, how can you expect to entertain anyone else–right?

Posted by: JG | April 1, 2008, 4:49 pm 4:49 pm

They took down all the copies of the sermons on tape that were for sale on the site also. Why? Barack keeps saying what was shown was only a 30 second loop out of a 35 yr career. So why take all the services down? People should be concerned, though they and the mainstream press, want to act like this is nothing. The brand of Liberation Theology followed at Trinity is scary stuff. If Obama subscribes to any of it, he should not be holding the highest office representing all of the people.

Posted by: DeVarryl Wills | April 1, 2008, 5:25 pm 5:25 pm

Jackson wrote/lied on: Apr 1, 2008 9:46:10 AM
The 2 Atom bombs dropped were NOT necessary and this has been proven.
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Here are the facts:
1.) The Axis Powers started WW II, not the U.S. or anyone else. The U.S. entered the war after Japan bombed Pearl Harbor.
2.) Hundreds of cities, with civilians, were bombed with conventional bombs during the course of WW II, with many nearly destroyed. Japan bombed cities in China, Australia, Philippines, Korea, Malaysia and much of Asia. Germany bombed cites in England, Russia, Poland, France, Netherlands, Belgium and else ware in Europe. And of course the Allies bombed many cities in Germany, Japan and Italy.
3.) Japanese War Crimes – the Japanese military murdered from nearly 3,000,000 to over 10,000,000 people, most probably 6,000,000 Chinese, Indonesians, Koreans, Filipinos, and Indochinese, among others, including Western prisoners of war. This democide was due to a morally bankrupt political and military strategy, military expediency and custom, and national culture.
4.) Two weeks prior to using the Atomic bombs the Allies issue the Potsdam Declaration that gave Japan the choice of surrender or destruction. Japan never responded.
5.) The decision to drop the Atomic bombs saved countless lives, both American and Japanese. Estimated United States casualties rose to over a million while unknown for Japan if amphibious assaults were launched. If you compare that statistic to the one hundred ten thousand killed in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, you would probably say that the casualties in Hiroshima and Nagasaki were just a small fraction of what the real casualties would have been if an amphibious assault was carried out. If it were not for the atomic bomb, waves of American amphibious attacks would have been initiated on Japan. In addition, the outcome of the war in the Pacific would have been unknown with a land invasion.
6.) Supporters also point to an order given by the Japanese War Ministry on August 1, 1944, ordering the disposal and execution of all Allied POWs, numbering over 100,000, if an invasion of the Japanese mainland took place.
7.) Supporters of the bombing also argue that waiting for the Japanese to surrender was not a cost-free option. “For China alone, depending upon what number one chooses for overall Chinese casualties, in each of the ninety-seven months between July 1937 and August 1945, somewhere between 100,000 and 200,000 persons perished, the vast majority of them noncombatants. For the other Asians alone, the average probably ranged in the tens of thousands per month, but the actual numbers were almost certainly greater in 1945, notably due to the mass death in a famine in Vietnam. Each month that the war continued in 1945 would have produced the deaths of ‘upwards of 250,000 people, mostly Asian but some Westerners.
8.) Japan also had an Atomic Program during WW II. The U.S. knew of its existence but not how far along it was. US intelligence took the possibility very seriously. Japan’s nuclear program was indeed verified after the war.
No reasonable person will ever dispute that Germany or Japan would have bombed U.S. cities with either conventional or nuclear weapons if they had the capabilities, resources and opportunity. Fortunately America’s Greatest Generation and Heroes prevented this from happening.

Posted by: Alan | April 1, 2008, 5:41 pm 5:41 pm

If Obama wins the nomination, and loses at least 28% of Clinton supporters to McCain in the process, can he win the general election with just the progressive and black vote? I think he’s said and done enough at this point to turn off the supposed Obamalicans.

Posted by: Mack | April 1, 2008, 5:41 pm 5:41 pm

Has everyone lost their memory on voters being the boss? In Texas, the emptyshirted one walked off a 47% to 51% loser and this week they say he won a majority of the delegates because he won 7 of 9 superdelegates. What a piece of horse pucky that amounts to…..the voters will???????

Posted by: Mightycline | April 1, 2008, 5:46 pm 5:46 pm

Please don’t let this story die.
Trintiy Unitied church of Christ is a racist fellowship, that a serious contender for the office of President of the United States belongs to.
This is news, and a bit frieghtning, made even more so but the attempts to brush it aside.
For this campagin it is the proveribial rhino in the living room, that nobody is supposed to talk about.

Posted by: Fred | April 1, 2008, 6:27 pm 6:27 pm

Truth is already out. Can’t put the Genie back in the bottle.

Posted by: TOM | April 1, 2008, 6:30 pm 6:30 pm

Jake, Thank you so much for keeping this story alive. With the rest of the media falling all over Barack, it is refreshing to read your unbiased articles.

Posted by: LB | April 1, 2008, 6:37 pm 6:37 pm

Anyone know where I can get a bumper sticker “Anyone but Obama!”…I love that.

Posted by: LB | April 1, 2008, 6:51 pm 6:51 pm

Does anyone know where I can get an Obama 08 sticker?

Posted by: Jey | April 1, 2008, 7:01 pm 7:01 pm

To Jev who wanted to know where he can get an Obama ’08 sticker. You cant get one. You have to steal one. In keeping with Obama’s campaign.

Posted by: MDR | April 1, 2008, 7:07 pm 7:07 pm

ANYONE who is black and has heard the story of how they came about to be in this Country HAS THE RIGHT to get angry-on the spot. It is an ugly truth what happened, but what makes it more ugly is when we still try to masque the depth of what went on, for a long time. So if it is “surprising”, for ANYONE in America who knows the history of the black man in America, then you too have been affected by the slaveholder’s mentality. Trust me, that Pastor is not the only one preaching freedom from the white man! Have any of you stopped to wonder WHY he would even have such sermons? Perhaps watching his entire ancestry be ruined by wicked people because of their race has something to do with it?!
Now, I am not condoning the persecution or slaundering of any man, but I am sick of what History has done to us as a nation. It is not about pointing the finger, it is about cleaning up the mess. Its not how we fell, its how we’re gonna get up, as a nation United.Yes, for a long time black people have needed to hear the word due to their circumstances, but hopefully when Obama sets in Office this place truly wll start to make some sense of itself.

Posted by: young californian | April 1, 2008, 7:15 pm 7:15 pm

ANYONE who is black and has heard the story of how they came about to be in this Country HAS THE RIGHT to get angry-on the spot. It is an ugly truth what happened, but what makes it more ugly is when we still try to masque the depth of what went on, for a long time. So if it is “surprising”, for ANYONE in America who knows the history of the black man in America, then you too have been affected by the slaveholder’s mentality. Trust me, that Pastor is not the only one preaching freedom from the white man! Have any of you stopped to wonder WHY he would even have such sermons? Perhaps watching his entire ancestry be ruined by wicked people because of their race has something to do with it?!
Now, I am not condoning the persecution or slaundering of any man, but I am sick of what History has done to us as a nation. It is not about pointing the finger, it is about cleaning up the mess. Its not how we fell, its how we’re gonna get up, as a nation United.Yes, for a long time black people have needed to hear the word due to their circumstances, but hopefully when Obama sets in Office this place truly wll start to make some sense of itself.

Posted by: young californian | April 1, 2008, 7:15 pm 7:15 pm

Maybe they changed the page because they have a new pastor now with a different view. There wasn’t anything objectionable on the old about me page anyway so what is your point? OK, so you are a white guy who is ignorant about the black church in America, just admit your ignorance and do some research before you say any more. To keep rabble rousing about something that you don’t understand in this case seems like one simple thing, racism.

Posted by: jim | April 1, 2008, 7:21 pm 7:21 pm

Trinity United Church of Christ needs to hide the truth about the church and its members. Obama’s candidacy depends on it.

Posted by: Mary | April 1, 2008, 7:59 pm 7:59 pm

Let the veil be lifted. Obama the fraud continues to be exposed with everyday.
His charm is fake, and his arrogance is much too obvious. He only wants to be president because of himself, not because it would be right for America.
Just ask his wife how proud she was until he started winning the nomination.
Wright is only the tip of a very large iceberg. Rezko and Bill Ayers will be household names by November and John McCain will be finally be our president.
Do not be fooled by eloquence.
Obama the fraud.

Posted by: LC | April 1, 2008, 8:24 pm 8:24 pm

Has anybody taken into account all of the bigoted comments that the Rev. John Hagge has made about Catholics (Calling them the “Great Whore”), and his denunciation of all Muslims. A how God is destroying the US because it defends the Palestinians (Last Look the US is actually defending Israel. Yet John McCain has embraced warmly, his endorsement and not rejected it as Obama has done Rev. Wright. What a double standard. Also Mccain visited Bob Jones University in the 2000 primary right along with George Dubya and no one has criticized that!!

Posted by: G. Temple | April 1, 2008, 8:44 pm 8:44 pm

One result of media agitators like abc keeping the Rev. Wright issue alive is that it is bringing to light the extent to which racism is still a serious problem in America. When you look past the rationalization content of some posts here that voice outrage at Rev. Wright you feel distinctly a seething passion that is simply racism. And this can be easily perceived at many news sites around the web. Racism is going to be hard to root out of ourselves and media agitation like this is far from being an ethical attempt to help the situation. Those of you who are so angry at Rev. Wright, look at yourselves.

Posted by: jim | April 1, 2008, 8:56 pm 8:56 pm

This is such a non-story. ABC’s senior national correspondent is on this? Get over it and move on.
And if ABC does think this a story, how about some equal time for John Mccain and Jerry ‘the chickens have come home to roost’ Falwell. Falwell had a much bigger audience on the 700 Club than Wright did in his church shortly after September 11, 2001.
At the time Falwell said to a national TV audience “I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say ‘you helped this happen.’”
What a hate filled and misinformed screed.
Pandering for Republican support on Meet the Press, McCain recently retracted comments he had made in the past calling Falwell an ‘agent of intolerance.’ How could McCain flip-flop on the insane and dangerous ramblings of madman Jerry Falwell? McCain also recently hired a key Falwell staffer, Brett O’Donnell, to advise him on communications strategy.
ABC – why aren’t you investigating this one?

Posted by: issuewatcher | April 1, 2008, 9:00 pm 9:00 pm

I won’t focus on the sensationalism of this “journalism”. I will just point out that, like others have said, the “Black Values System” part of the website is available from a link directly from the “Home Page”. Seems to me that is not an effort to hide anything. If anything you could draw the exact opposite connotation. And certainly that is not being scrubbed.

Posted by: Bubba | April 1, 2008, 9:09 pm 9:09 pm

Keith, simple minds are easy to satisfy.

Posted by: Kimberly | April 1, 2008, 9:12 pm 9:12 pm

Obama has too many unsavory connections to be the president. It’s simply out of the question to let someone like this of a very dubious background have control of the military. I don’t care if he’s a smooth talker and puts his audiences into trances. I know there there is an African American out there who isn’t a compulsive liar or a racist that will be President one day.

Posted by: Judy R | April 1, 2008, 9:50 pm 9:50 pm

I won’t focus on the sensationalism of this “journalism”. I will just point out that, like others have said, the “Black Values System” part of the website is available from a link directly from the “Home Page”. Seems to me that is not an effort to hide anything. If anything you could draw the exact opposite connotation. And certainly that is not being scrubbed.

Posted by: Bubba | April 1, 2008, 9:54 pm 9:54 pm

Actually if you Google Trinity United Church Of Christ and hit Cached at the bottom of the listing you can access all the stuff they took off.

Posted by: chops | April 1, 2008, 9:56 pm 9:56 pm

I just googled Trinity United Church of Christ AND they DID SCRUB it!!!!!! when you do it hit CACHED at the bottom of the listing it will bring you to a description of the Black values system very different from the one presently ( buried on the website…It used to be on the first page. Why are they hiding it?

Posted by: chops | April 1, 2008, 10:06 pm 10:06 pm

I have to say that this is interesting. It reminds me of Barack Obama’s comments about Iraq (stating that he’s not that far away from the positions of George Bush, and statements saying that he didn’t know how he would vote if he had been a U.S. Senator), both of which were “scrubbed” from his web site once the comments started getting traction among voters.
Obama’s strategy seems to be: get rid of it and it’ll be just like it never existed. The problem with this, though, is that the attitudes still exist…

Posted by: Mabelle | April 1, 2008, 11:08 pm 11:08 pm

All I hear is what about Jerry Falwell or John Hagee,I think your missing the point no other candidate goes to Falwell or Hagees church let alone for 20 years,but Obama went to this fools church for 20 years and has no excuse for doing so.Obama just recently regained his hearing after 20 years and now he says if pastor Wright hadnt retired hed have left the church,he shovels manure big piles of it

Posted by: girlinvt | April 1, 2008, 11:21 pm 11:21 pm

The founding fathers had it right when they said that the church and the state should be separate. If we keep it that way, this is not relevant.

Posted by: Violet | April 1, 2008, 11:26 pm 11:26 pm

Jim I don’t think this story has anything to do with racism on the editors part. I call it an unbias opinion by the reporter to bring you all aspects of situation. In this case Obama and his illustrious church. I will say it again Obama is running for President of the United States he should be scrutinized, he should be exposed from all angles. That is what they are doing to Hillary, and that is what they are doing to McCain. Obama is no better than any of the others. Everyone else has and will have their personal lives rehashed, and rehashed again before this is all over. I commend the article it is giving you a clearer view of Obama and those that surround him.

Posted by: mgck59 | April 1, 2008, 11:27 pm 11:27 pm

I know all the people in these comments have something hiding from your parents and have lived with them for more then 20 years.
dont judge others judge yourself

Posted by: David | April 1, 2008, 11:49 pm 11:49 pm

I like you Jerry.

Posted by: mgck59 | April 2, 2008, 12:25 am 12:25 am

David I usually don’t judge. But, I will judge Obama. I will judge him as strictly as I possible can. For one he is running for PRESIDENT of the UNITED STATES. Which means not only does he have your fate in is hands but, he also has mine. That fact alone gives me the right to judge… Because if what he does effects what happens to ME, gives me the right to judge him. I don’t need ANYONE to come into a position such as the President of the United States with hidden agendas. Oh and don’t you believe he doesn’t have them. His claim to fame is “Uniting the people” if that were the case we wouldn’t be divided now. Now if I should ever run for the President of the United States you can judge me too.

Posted by: mgck59 | April 2, 2008, 12:34 am 12:34 am

The pastor is a martyr. He has the courage and audacity to live amongst the white enemy in a million dollar mansion that the church is building for him. The man is courageous!

Posted by: Mack | April 2, 2008, 1:15 am 1:15 am

I’m a white woman who went to the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago for two years in 1989 and 1990. I never heard Wright say anti-american things when preaching. He did speak of the humanitarian injustice done to blacks but would always seem to follow it up with blacks needing to take responsibility for themselves. Get educated, work and take care of their children. Jesus Christ was the answer not drugs or crime. Rev. Wright was wonderful and filled the church full. I never felt so much love in a church before. I was shocked to see those clips where he was so angry and spoke so harshly about America. I sat it the church for two years and never heard him go off like that before. That was not the norm. I remember that Wright once said that anger was the cover emotion to pain. That anger in the clips.. that’s really pain. It does not make it right.. but it does make it less scary if you understand the true emotion behind the words.
I pray for the church.
I see no problem with the new Rev. putting his own influence on the church web site. It’s his Church now. The world is evolving.
amen.
I feel so proud of america. the hillary and Obama race is proving america is better than many of us thought we was.
there are a few ugly and very ignorant post on here… but there is also a beautiful showing of open minds and christian love and forgiveness for Rev. Wright. He made a mistake and spoke with too much pain and anger.. but those few clips do not make the man. He gave 3 sermons a week for 20 years.
Every sermon I heard Rev. Wright give spoke of the love of Jesus christ and the self empowerment found from it.
Through the grace of god and Jesus Christ we can find the power to achieve our goals of a wholesome and accomplished
life.

Posted by: Adrienne Scott | April 2, 2008, 1:55 am 1:55 am

sigh.. typo
proving America is better than many of us thought it was.

Posted by: adrienne scott | April 2, 2008, 2:01 am 2:01 am

Okay!!!!

Posted by: mgck59 | April 2, 2008, 2:44 am 2:44 am

Of course they have to hide their hatred believes because it’s having a negative effect. If it wasn’t hatred then why change the content of a web site that Obama and the church goers feel so proud about? Quit Obama, the lies, hate, flip flopping, arrogance, deceiving game is gonna catch up to you eventually.

Posted by: Persio | April 2, 2008, 2:47 am 2:47 am

Well Adrianne Scott I’m a black woman and I have known of Pastor Wright for years. He has been around along time spewing the same kind of message, in the same kind of format. I also have known of is controversial sermons. Several Pastors I know personally fly to Chicago often to hear his sermons. I’ve heard numerous tapes. Did I find him enlightening not particularly. I don’t believe in people being frightened into submission. So, I know of Pastor Wright too.

Posted by: mgck59 | April 2, 2008, 2:50 am 2:50 am

Cowbell is that what you want reparations? Oh my goodness! My black people always think somebody owes them something. Reparations now I’ve heard it all. Is that why all of my people are voting for Obama. If that is the case God bless you. That is such a waste of time. No growth, nothing positive the same old garbage that I’ve heard for most of my 50 years on this earth. What a waste of life. This anger has got to stop. You will never be vindicated. Never! Hatred from any race is the same thing hatred. No rights, no wrongs, just the same waste of energy.

Posted by: mgck59 | April 2, 2008, 2:58 am 2:58 am

Adrienne were you like Obama not their those days. I’m over 50 and I have heard this man several times through the years. Heard him in the 80′s and the 90′s. I didn’t say all Pastors liked him either, I just said I know several who fly to see him. I also know quite a few that think his message is too political. God and politics don’t mesh. The church is not the arena for that kind of discussion. I’ve heard him as well chastise the black community on their parenting skills, drug dealings, and black on black crime. I’ve heard that before but, I have also heard similar services relative to what the clips expose as well. Instead of everyone trying to paint this image, accept it for what it is. Rev. Wright has never had a problem telling you how he felt so why, is everyone trying to present this man as anything other than who he is.

Posted by: mgck59 | April 2, 2008, 3:16 am 3:16 am

Cowbell get what? What do you want tell me. What would it take to erase oppression from our minds, from our behaviors. What? $100, $1000, a trillion dollars what? That changes nothing. It doesn’t change the past, and it doesn’t change the future. Because even if you put a value to it. It would never be enough. Then it would be something else. I have a Masters Degree in History we as Africa Americans have made great strides. Most of the time we are the ones that taint it as well. My history begins in New Orleans where my roots are Africa American, Native American, and French. So, I embrace every part of me, and I am proud of my heritage. There is so much that I don’t hear you say that is positive. You sound like an occult sorry but, that’s just what this sounds like and occult brainwashing. Anyone who could give Farrakhan homage…true Muslims don’t even recognize Farrakhan as Muslim. The Nation of Islam…give me a break! How do I know that have been to the Middle East several times. While everyone is talking how many of you have been in the Middle East. How many of you know more than what Rev. Wright has told you.

Posted by: mgck59 | April 2, 2008, 3:28 am 3:28 am

mgck59,
If you know about Rev. Wright then you know he never preached to frighten people into submission.
The whole message of his sermons were based on self empowerment. He was very hard on black male youth. He preached about how they needed to get educated, get a job, stay with thier women and raise their children. Family values and being self sufficient was the main stay of his sermons. He preached against the welfar mind set. It spoke about how it weakend the black community. Wright spoke about how it has given men an out to not provide for their own children. He spoke about how children need fathers that provide for the family and who are involved in thier childrens lifes.
It was all about self empowerment so that you can become a valuable member of the community.

Posted by: Adrienne | April 2, 2008, 3:40 am 3:40 am

Well sweetie have a good life looking for someone to give you something. I had more respect for the Black Panthers than I do for Farrakhan. All of it is nothing more than brainwashing tactics. Building soldiers! Yeah I know about Farrakhan and his soldiers. All those innocent young people being eaten alive with hatred. People like Rev. Wright are the reason I’m NOT a Christian anymore haven’t been in years. And before you start yes, I do believe in something other than myself. Just not Christianity. I don’t see Obama being the second coming of Christ….Please! I could care less what color God/Jesus is. It is irrelevant. What is the point? Just silliness. I knew from the moment I saw Michelle that she was racist. I’m black we’ve all painted fake smiles on our faces, so of course I could read hers.

Posted by: mgck59 | April 2, 2008, 3:48 am 3:48 am

Adrienne I know! I also know of other pastors who preach the same message without interjecting anti human bantering. There is no reason for anyone to interject hatred of another race, or culture. That is not a quote “Christian message” When you blame in the manner that this man and those like him present. That zero’s in. We can sit and say all day the ills of America as well as the injustice to African Americans. Before we point at others, please let us take stock in ourselves first. So, I guess when we learn to love ourselves, we’ll begin to love others. I am Hindus, and vegan, I eat no life….I’ve learned to coexist without hatred that anger is a sore slowing being picked at and never having the opportunity to heal…

Posted by: mgck59 | April 2, 2008, 4:00 am 4:00 am

Thank you Jake!

Posted by: mgck59 | April 2, 2008, 4:04 am 4:04 am

Cowbell,
Farrkahn did some good for the black community… he is not satan. But! Farrakhn has fallen far from the grace of God, and he has been anti semantic.
Obama did the correct thing when he both rejected and denouced Farrkahn.
As a politician Farrkahn has no place in Obama’s world.
My former preacher Rev. Wright is a Christain and can find it in his heart to commend the good Farrkahn did while he also makes note of Farrakhns failings.
My own feelings… well, Farrakhan is a gifted violinist. He is an intellectual and complex man. He has a dark shadow but also a bright light. I’m not sure I like him.. but I can appreciate some aspects about him.

Posted by: Adrienne | April 2, 2008, 4:08 am 4:08 am

Addriene – Whether we agree or not, you sound like a really nice lady. going to get some sleep.

Posted by: Cowbell | April 2, 2008, 4:12 am 4:12 am

Well Cowbell,
We both love our country and are willing to stay up late and post about it.
I understand you don’t like Obama.
I don’t like Bush or Cheney.
It’s great to live in a country where we are allowed to say so.
sweet dreams, cowbell.

Posted by: Adrienne | April 2, 2008, 4:26 am 4:26 am

Dear Cowbell,
Barak and Michelle were not CHOSEN to lead us; at least, not by any god. If they become the president and first lady it will be because we see nobility, and honesty and integrity in them, or that we are lead to believe that they have those qualities.
I am, as well, a 34 year old white man with absolutely no power. I do not believe a god exist or has ever existed, and I fear noone when I am facing them.
I fear ignorance though, and hatred, and bigotry, and racism, and sexism, etc., ad nauseum. Any person alive can be a racist. Anyone. With or without power, as racism is just one form of prejudice. It’s important to note that.
I am a Barak Obama supporter because he does not claim the same thing you are. I am a Barak Obama supporter because he has not decided to blame the ills of this world on… a boys club, an amorphus blob of radical Islamic extremists, or whites in general. I support him because he does the people the service of distancing himself from people like that without having to be asked. I support him because I feel that when he says things he isn’t blowing smoke up our butts, and I support him because he doesn’t consider me evil. I support him because he would disagree with you that only white people can be racists because only, as you say, white people have the power.
That’s just an easy way to not get to know me for me. It’s far easier for you to know what you think you know based on some other white guy.
I’m sorry for what happened to your ancestors. And I have the blodd to prove it. It is not my fault, and I would denounce it in those times, if I was privy to the knowledge I have now.
Im not sure if oyu have, but I would highly suggest seeing the old black and white movie Uncle Tom’s Cabin.
I saw it in Jr. High and it brought me to tears… of righteous fury.
And I do not believe a god exists.

Posted by: James in Idaho | April 2, 2008, 4:31 am 4:31 am

Aside from that… I owe you nothing. I grant you only the good sense to make sure that what happened to your ancestors does not happen to your decendants.
Aside from that, you ask far more than your own personal suffering deserves. Your ancestors may have been slaves; you certainly never were.

Posted by: James in Idaho | April 2, 2008, 4:45 am 4:45 am

Has anyone noticed that Senator Obama only denounces something when he is forced to do so. Smells like deception to me.
I noticed the scrubbing of the web site awhile ago when a friend told me to check it out. Smells like deception to me.
Negative information about Senator Obama comes drip, drip, dripping out. Smells like deception to me.
Senator Obama’s surrogates are trying to force Senator Clinton out because they are trying to keep anything else from coming out. Smells like deception to me.
Senator Obama says something different from his surrogates so he can look above it all. Smells like deception to me.
Senator Obama’s supporters want to kill the messenger. Jake is an investigative reporter. He spends the time to search out information. It would be a service to the American Public if others in the media would do the same. Thanks, Jake.

Posted by: Louise | April 2, 2008, 4:54 am 4:54 am

Riiiiight I make sense and I’M spamming. Okay. Sorry you’re offended by frankness and truth.

Posted by: James in Idaho | April 2, 2008, 5:02 am 5:02 am

Don’t they have a new pastor now? Maybe you guys are seeing patterns in things that aren’t there. I would expect there to be changes in any church, or any other organization’s website if they get a new top guy.
Enough already.

Posted by: Da5id | April 2, 2008, 9:00 am 9:00 am

So what if we don’t know who Barack Obama is? So what if he has numerous radical influences and associations? The media approve of him. It’s only the presidency, what’s the worst that could happen?
BRAINWASHED FOR OBAMA ’08

Posted by: Uncle Sam | April 2, 2008, 10:19 am 10:19 am

Sorry Louise that’s just you spinning again. No deception just clean, clear cut honesty. I know that’s something that you aren’t use to, but hey.

Posted by: James in Idaho | April 2, 2008, 11:31 am 11:31 am

Has anyone noticed that Senator’s Clinton and McCain only answer legitimate questions when they are forced to do so. Seems rather evasive to me
I noticed too much credibility is being given to the idea of this scrubbing of the web site awhile ago. Seems like selective thinking to me.
Spinning of relatively harmless information about Senator Obama comes drip, drip, dripping out. Seems like much ado about nothing is getting too much air and web time to me.
Senator Clinton’s/McCain’s surrogates are trying to define Senator Obama’s campaign as some sort of novelty act because they are trying to keep any sense of change and transcendence out of the public priority. Seems like politics as usual to me.
Senator Obama says something different from his surrogates because he disagrees with their tactics, does not condone their tactics, and most often fires them for their tactics, whether they continue to support his campaign or not. Sounds like clear thinking and good judgement to me.
Senator Clinton’s/McCain’s supporters want to elevate a one sided message, beyond it’s credibility threshhold. Jake is an investigative reporter. He should spend more time to search out all the information instead of just scratch the surface. It would be a service to the American Public if others in the media would do the same. Thanks, Jake, but show a little more journalistic integrity next time by really digging deep and being more objective about these issues, instead of going to a website, seeing a few cursory changes, and jumping to the conclusion that there’s some sort of cover-up going on.
Thanks.

Posted by: James in Idaho | April 2, 2008, 11:46 am 11:46 am

Scrubbing the site isn’t the big issue James, scrubbing the books is. It is tax fraud for a non-profit church to endorse a political candidate. Period. Their tax-exempt status should be revoked and we (taxpayers) should get back the millions of dollard the Christ Church saved. Obama can’t be sooo inexperienced that he doesn’t know this. Hillary hasn’t gone “negative” on this one. Obama would rather begin a national debate on race by throwing Geraldine Ferraro under the bus for stating the obvious (shame on you Keith Olbermann) If he was a white state senator from Ill. would he have been given national air time at the 2004? A debate let’s both sides discuss, a sermon is where one person talks and everyone else listens.
That becomes a felony when the person is endorsing a candidate at at 501C3 non-profit. You could call me a racist James, but you really don’t know my race do you? Obama-zombies have so much zeal because they don’t waste any energy on thinking for themselves.

Posted by: Kimberly Clark | April 2, 2008, 10:18 pm 10:18 pm

New poster here. If anyone is checking. Obama decided we needed a National Debate on Race AFTER Geraldine Ferraro was thrown under the bus for expressing an opinion. Hypocrisy. It is TAX FRAUD for a non-profit church to support a political candidate. I agree with much of what the good Rev. Wright said, but he can’t say it on the tax payers dime. Would Obama have been given a speech at the 2004 Democratic Convention if he was a white State Senator from Illinois? Please. A debate means both sides get to talk. A sermon is when one person talks and everybody else listen. When a sermon becomes an endorsement the IRS should step in. New voice here. Obama is SOOO negative, he’s just passive aggressive. Every time he says “the Clinton machine” there is the implication that there is no Obama machine yet he is taking in and spending twice the money. Is Michelle doing the books or maybe he has a STAFF. Another word for MACHINE. Is this clear enough for the ESL encourager? Hypocrisy = Fraud = Obama Machine.

Posted by: Kimberly Clark | April 2, 2008, 10:33 pm 10:33 pm

@Kimberely Clark
Again, you presume much.
I completely agree that the church’s tax exempt status should be revoked, and yes I would even go as far as you have and say that the church should be forced to pay taxes like everyone else for it’s political statement against Mrs. Clinton. However, the scrubbing of the site IS the issue, at least in this instance, and that is what I am commenting on.
The issue of tax exempt status hasn’t come up at all; so, I would suggest you lobby this and other news organizations to concentrate on that. As far as Ms. Ferraro, it wasn’t Obama that threw her under a bus, nor was she thrown under a bus. She was called out for tokenizing his campaign as just due to his blackness, your race, my race, or anybody elses race aside, and as that somehow being a fortunate thing, and in doing so SHE reintroduced race as a factor, along with the initial reporter who brought up the implication that he may not be black enough, and Bill Clinton’s comments on race, intended or not.
So, please, again, keep your straw man aguements to yourself. THIS issue HERE IS about the scrubbing of a website, otherwise it would have been titled something else. As well, I see no remarksby Mr. Tapper regarding the churches taz exempt status… that is something YOU have brought up.
As far as the idea that I would call you a racist for bringing in a valid, though, non-sequitor arguement, as it has nothing to do with THIS issue, that is completely false, and meant to paint me in the false light of looking for racism where it doesn’t exist.
And that’s sad. So, please stop arguing based on a double standard.

Posted by: James in Idaho | April 2, 2008, 10:44 pm 10:44 pm

Obama as well, made no such decision to have a debate on race. He only accepted the reality that race would be a part of the debate whether it was relavent or not, and acted in a positive manner, and encouraged a genuine conversation rather than a superficial one.
Would Obama have been given a speech at the 2004 Democratic Convention if he was a white State Senator from Illinois? Sure. Why not? Democrats aren’t known for either racism or sexism.
I like the slanted comments at the end as well. Spin, spin, spin. Sorry kids. I’m white, English is my first language, I do however speak Spanish fluently, and understand a lil German, Russian, Tagalog [filipino], and can tell you hello and ask how oyu are in five other languages. What does that have to do with anything? As far as the hypocracy bit… Riiiiiight.
Got proof?

Posted by: James in Idaho | April 2, 2008, 10:52 pm 10:52 pm

I guess my question to you is…
How do you intend to Malign Senator Obama about the churches tax exempt status, while at the same time, keeping your church and others out of the public eye, when so many other churches have used their religious power to do what Rev. Wright has done?
The difference between them being that, most often, those churches attempt to call what they do positive for America… you know… like that freak group that goes to the funerals of soldiers and praises god for their deaths because of homosexuals? Or the religious nuts that bomb Abortion clinics, because it’s “god’s will”.
Riiiiiight.
A little harder to point the finger now isn’t it?

Posted by: James in Idaho | April 2, 2008, 11:13 pm 11:13 pm

Furthermore… you have also attempted to make his muslim roots more of an issue by bringing up a percentage of his blood relations and ancestry. Sorry man. You’re claim is still illegitimate.
I understand you’re bitter about your candidate not being put on a pedestal, but this notion of making my candidate seem illegitimate, based on the dross you’re spewing, is just nonsense.
So, tell your friends, change is coming, and there’s nothing you can do to trun back the clock; nothing you can do to stop it, and no way you can just sit back and pretend your prejudiced views are still acceptable, much less tangible.

Posted by: James in Idaho | April 3, 2008, 12:35 am 12:35 am

If Rev. Wright so openly spews anti-American incendiary rhetoric to thousands of people in a church sermon, is it not a logical line of inquiry to explore where the Church’s contributions are going?? I’m incredulous the press hasn’t grabbed on to this as an area that at least is important to investigate. We know church finances are exempt from most tax laws, but that makes the potential for illicit activity (i.e. funding ant-US organizations….TERRORISTS) even more likely in a cult like Rev Wrights.

Posted by: clark in lancaster | May 9, 2008, 10:48 pm 10:48 pm

Why don’t the Obama supporters ever criticize the bigoted and hateful comments of Wright, and why do they change the topic? Because, these virulent comments don’t bother them in the least, and they don’t bother BO. Who’s side is he on? Apparently, the side of the hate mongers.

Posted by: Roger Kempler | May 15, 2008, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm

>>>THIS THIRD ARTICLE OF THE 14TH AMENDMENT COULD BE USED AGAINST OBAMA FOR HIS LINKS TO WRIGHT, REZKO, AYRES, FARAKAN ETC WHICH WOULD DISQUALIFY HIM FROM THIS PRESIDENTIAL RACE!!!!
Amendment 14 – Citizenship Rights
3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Posted by: Marilyn | May 23, 2008, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm

Obama believes in Black Liberation Theology and is out of step with most of America. Scrubbing their pages and trying to sanitize the site is too little, too late. That horse has already left the barn. For many of us, Obama does not represent our values. I suggest for most people, to follow the money and you will see who really backs Obama. If the Dems are stupid enough, to nominate this empty suit, they will lose in November. It is that simple.

Posted by: beachnan | June 2, 2008, 11:23 am 11:23 am

The church has scrubbed their site just as Obama’s site has scrubbed any controversial material (and connections), just as Princeton U has taken Michelle O’s senior thesis and removed it from the libraries records and put it under lock and key until after the Nov elections.
Lots of stuff “scrubbed” and removed from the public eye, as is the Michelle tape.
But the tape is coming..

Posted by: BJ | June 4, 2008, 7:21 am 7:21 am

“You can see the old webpage, including both the Black Value System and a link to Trumpet HERE”
Now if you click on the link “HERE” in the above post, it leads to an Obama advertisement. What’s up with that?

Posted by: Steve | November 3, 2008, 11:00 am 11:00 am

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