Bill Clinton Keeps ‘Bitter’ Alive

Bill Clinton the congenital liar. This guy is just like an STD. Please just go away. We don’t want our dicks leaking like busted pipes.

I think the media, Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and pundits have completely lost their marbles.

Kevin – rush to CVS before it closes and renew the lithium prescription.

Oh EL – lol. Obama does not have to scrutinize Clinton because the media are doing the work for him. Please, the man is apparently above any type of analysis. So much so – that his worshippers become enraged over a little heat. What: did you really expect he would cause the nation to fall down and honor and obey him, as his campaign suggested? This is what happens when college students control your message. “I, the Lord Obama, shall rid the USA of ‘politics as usual’ and usher in an Obama Generation of hope and change and civility. I will smite divisiveness in the world and cause a new era of cooperation. I the Lord Obama will reach across party lines and cause the Republicans who hate the Democrats to lay down their hatred and follow me.” LOL – sorry, he cannot even unite his own party, how can he unite the nation.
QUESTION FOR OBAMADROIDS: His campaign has said it will be “above” politics as usual and that he will unite Republicans and Democrats. Then why is he describing McCain as Bush III and distorting his message on Iraq? Why is he going around doing the “Annie Oakley” instead of trying to really figure out why ALL poor voters, except for African Americans, have given him the cold shoulder. Could it be that poor folks have pick candidates whom they believe will deliver something concrete – unlike college students and wealthy white people who want soaring oratory and impossible, vague promises?

If they (camp Clinton and McCain) want to keep this in the press, fine. He should use this to choke the life out of both of them. Both of them are MILLIONAIRES. He should focus on their money to explain some of their policy positions. If he were to do that, McCain would tank and Hillary wouldn’t be to far behind.
There are tons of comments out there that have been said. Many of those comments by the Clinton’s. The Obama camp would be damn stupid if they are not digging that stuff up right now to dump in her lap on national tv come Wednesday. I’m starting to have reservations about Obama. He isn’t a fighter at all.
Hillary might fight dirty and she might do something as disgraceful and idiotic as go after another Democrat for her own gain but at least she is a fighter. She is a classless person and will never get my support but at least she attacks holes where she sees them EL, Obama doesn’t do anything.

“Wake up Obama, these people are ghetto politicans, you better get dirty with them or get off the stage! People are sick of this nice guy crap. The Clinton’s are flawed and disgusting people, why can’t you focus on that?!”
Perhaps because he has marketed himself as the Dali Bama. It would be weird seeing the Prince of Peace digging up dirt on people….LOl. Now politics as usual seems appropriate….why? Hint: because that’s the name of the game. OOOPs, am I cynical? Maybe bitter is a better word. Yes, I’m bitter. But because I am well educated in live in a Northeastern “blue” community, I do not have a gun and only go to church for weddings and funerals.

I’m tired of Washington telling me they fight for small towns. Every election, it’s the same thing.
Washington politicians would sell their soul to get elected.
Bill Clinton has sold America.
He’s taken money from China, Dubai, Colombia, Canada, and probably several more countries.

Tony,
He has been above it, I am like the Clinton’s myself. If I were the Clinton’s I would have wipped the floor with the Obama. Needless to say, Obama should polish the floor with Hillary. Even her supporters must know he hasn’t gone after her in the manner she has after him? If you people can’t admit that, you are stupid as people claim.
As far as race, are you one of those race idiots? What does race have to do with this? I was under the impresssion, what you people are looking for – insurance, jobs, whatever didn’t have a color? The ignorace of some voters proves the elite may have been right when the limited ruling and authority to those of a certain class…………
Greg

Mary
you just proved his point you ignorant c//t.

“So it is irrestponsible to say that there are no bitter Americans.”
You want to know what else is irresponsible: Not responding to the entire quote! It’s not that Obama said that people are bitter that is the problem. It’s him linking that to religion, gun control, opposition to same-sex marriage and trade which is the problem.
Query for Obamites: Obama said that he is opposed to same-sex marriage, that he is religious, and he blasted Clinton for supporting Nafta (althoug he has not said he would not have voted for it). Is he bitter too? Or is he just saying these things to get elected?

Greg:
Obama has “gone after” Clinton through his surrogates primarily. Also, most of the liberal webpages on line have been highly vitriolic in their coverage of Clinton (Huffinton, Daily Kos, and Politico). Obama even sends them his campaign statements sometimes so that they can receive rapid circulation. Also, the mainstream media have been solidly behind him. Accordingly, he can refrain from doing any type of attacking. He has a lot of free and very public help on this issue.
Second, why on earth would you call me a “race idiot”? Please indicate why you feel that way.

Those comments are NOT the same as him going after her. If you don’t know the difference, shut your mouth. I’m trying to give your ignorant, classless….etc, candidate a pat on the back for standing in the race and doing something to overcome the mountain she has to climb. However, don’t lecture me on what was said to whom and who is this or that…..or anything else. I know the difference of what is political and politics…what is disallowed and what is allowed….I know a good candidate and a mdeicore one…and facts are Hillary is a medicore one. Period.
She has run the worst campaign to date. Now she wants to run the country and idiot supporters want to let her. Now you tell the rest of us who is drinking the kool-aid. I’m beginning to think her supporters are the same people that were taken out of the David Koresh compound. What a bunch of wack jobs………total brainless idiots.

Sadly Tony if Obama stays above these politics he will lose. I agree the dems are looking pretty sad. I just don’t agree with the modern day republicans. Remeber Abe Lincoln he was a republican pretty “libral” thinker too. I just don’t see how republicans can look to the future when they continualy base themselves in sever right wing thinking. But democrats can be way to libral for me some times so I think the conservatives do some good there keeping them in check. I think Obama is a good man for the job and it will be refreshing to see a new face in the white house. But I agree with E.L. he needs to put her out of her missery and focus on the repubs.

StanCH AKA DCVoter

Obama is not god, I am! Everyone makes mistakes. Unless your Hill Dog never lies just misspeaks you know no big deal, doesn’t apologizes so why should he? Oh wait! he did! Besides I’m a small town guy I support Obama the only thing it makes me want to see is Obamas gun control policy.

S,
That’s not DCVoter’s style, he has much more class than that. I’m not talking Obama class, because we know that Obama is way above us, he’s got down home class.
Best part of the above story: I hunt because I like to and I go to church because I need to. That brings tears to my eyes, I used to love hunting back in the day.
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Obama, trying to make hunters ashamed of themselves.
Obama must have a better religion than us!
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If Barack loses he can always make money selling ice cream, call it Baracky Road, and it’ll have a slight bitter taste to it.
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Barack Obama, it doesn’t get any bitter than this guy.
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WestCoastMessanger, the Lincoln bedroom is for sleep overs and Bill the Hotel manager would like to make money out off the White House again. Hill the Bosnian General has not finished swalling more alcohol and get drunk, and Bill has not finished making money out of middle class Americans. Colombia’ 800 000 is not enough. At all, no class, the Clintons have no class. If Hill wins the nomination this way, then my vote is discarded, maybe I have to go to vote for Berlusconi in Italy. God bless America and God bless Obama.

Bill’s great!!! He should say that Senator Obama talked about Senator Clinton going “up a blind” with a “six shooter” to shoot ducks!!! She is Annie Oakley!!! We love her!!!!

OBAMA FANS
I dare you to read this article in SLATE:
http://www.slate.com/id/2188487/#foursins

Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton is a Liability to the Democratic Party. Dems will cut their losses and unite behind Obama and unify the party around Obama.
If anyone is Elitist ($109,000,000.00) it’s the Clintons.
Obama all the way!

BJ Clinton at it again. LOL.

Every time Clinton does something nasty to Obama and he strikes back, she accuses him of being “on the attack.” Hillary, we are onto your little game. It’s so obvious, it’s painful to watch. You are the Democratic version of a suicide bomber.

I think NAFTA is a reason not to vote for the clintons!
800,000 is a reason not to vote for the clintons!
The women who are invisible to hillary is a reason not to vote for the clintons.
I list lots of reasons at my blog but there are too many people who don’t care what the clintons do. The media does an Obama witch-hunt and stays on it until the votes are counted and then prepares for the next round. Ms. Fowler should keep her dang mouth shut because what happened was an innocent statement made into a big thing. With donations like hers who needs enemies?
Why aren’t the jumping on hillary’s relationship with Huma?

“Don’t ever kid yourself. Mr. O’s goal in life is to overcome his affirmative action education and join the group. Problem is, if he is this uppity now, can you imagine the arrogance if he has money and is president. The world leaders will chew him up and spit him out. He is such a child, such a babe in the woods.”
God Bless America? USA showing it’s true colours for all to see. Pure unabashed racism in the 21st century.
USA! USA! USA!
If anywhere has the moral center and stability to spread truth and democracy across the world it’s America. It’s almost like a human and civil rights exchange program. As the GOP strips it’s citizens of rights and freedoms guaranteed under the constitution it delivers rights and freedoms, by force, to other countries.
USA! USA! USA!

AP – In a major campaign blunder, Senator Barack Obama stated today that the sky is blue.
“This proves his elitist insensitivity,” reported correspondent Karl Rove “There were clouds over many parts of America today, including states the Democrats need to win in November. He completely ignored millions of Americans.”
From The Spoof

Bill Clinton”
The reason (George H. W. Bush’s tactic) works so well now is that you have all these economically insecure white people who are scared to death,” Clinton was quoted saying by the Los Angeles Times in September 1991

The accusations about a lack of patriotism of Obama were bogus — made up. He used a phrase of someone else without giving credit — who hasn’t done that?
The bitter comment, though, is more serious. It suggests that he doesn’t trust most Americans to react in the right way to the trade war, and furthermore it suggests that his own religion is a put-on. He seems to view people of faith in negative terms, while also claiming to be one — obviously that’s hypocritical.
The most serious issue with Obama is his lack of definition, and utter lack of accomplishments for someone in his position. There is no way that he should be where he is, and therefore Geraldine Ferraro is seeming more correct by the minute (like it or not). Would Oprah have backed him, if he were white? It seems like she was pretty keen on Hillary, before. So, yes, I think that Ferraro was correct in saying that Barack Obama wouldn’t be where he is without being black. That’s as racist as voting against him because of his color, or voting for McCain or Hillary due to color. (That’s as sexist as a voting for or against a candidate due to sex.)
Ultimately, it comes down to what’s best for this country, and likely it comes down to their positions on Iraq. Should our boys come home ASAP? If we do that, though, will it invite al Qaeda to take over Iraq and use it as a base to attack the world, including NYC, LA, Chicago, Houston, Boston, Atlanta, Miami, etc? Won’t we just end up sending more troops back into Iraq a 3rd time — the way we had to go back into Korea after leaving prematurely?

The biggest liar is OBAMA. Count them up. Rezko trial mentioned him and Michele at a known terrorists party, today. He said, he didn’t know the guy.
NO OBAMA.

From CNN article 2004
In her suit, filed in 1994, Jones alleged that in May 1991, when Clinton was governor of Arkansas and she was a state employee, he groped her and exposed his genitals while they were alone in a Little Rock hotel room.
Clinton denied any wrongdoing.
When he was ordered by a federal judge to submit to a deposition from Jones’ lawyers, he appealed all the way to the Supreme Court, which refused to delay the case in 1997.
It was during the Jones deposition that Clinton was asked under oath about former White House intern Monica Lewinsky. His denial of a sexual relationship with her triggered an investigation that led to his impeachment by the House on charges of perjury and obstruction of justice.
Clinton eventually admitted to an “inappropriate” relationship with Lewinsky. He stayed in office after he was acquitted of the impeachment charges by the Senate.
Jones and Clinton settled their lawsuit in November 1998, when he agreed to pay her $850,000 but offered no apology or admission of guilt.
At the time, the suit had been dismissed by a federal judge, but Jones was challenging the dismissal on appeal.
In his new book, “My Life,” Clinton again denies harassing Jones. Expressing confidence that he would have won the case, he said he decided to settle the suit to put the scandal behind him.
But Jones said if Clinton really believed he would have won in court, “Why didn’t he take it all the way?” She said she believes she would have eventually won her suit.
“Nothing bothers this man,” she said. “I don’t understand it.”
Other women in Clinton’s life
Two other women who figured prominently in allegations swirling around Clinton’s personal behavior, Lewinsky and Gennifer Flowers, have also disputed the former president’s descriptions of their relationships in his book.
During the 1992 campaign, Flowers publicly disclosed that she had a 12-year affair with Clinton. He later admitted to an extramarital relationship with her but, in his book, insists “there was no 12-year affair.”
That prompted Flowers to issue a statement through her lawyer saying she was “sickened by his continued disregard for the truth.”
“Bill Clinton pretends to be contrite, but he continues to bear false witness against his neighbor. He is a national disgrace.”
In an interview with the British newspaper The Daily Mail, Lewinsky also took issue with Clinton’s characterizations of their relationship, including his statement that he had an affair with her because he could.
“He talked about it as though I had laid it all out there for the taking. I was the buffet, and he just couldn’t resist the dessert. That’s not how it was. This was a mutual relationship, mutual on all levels,” she said. (Full story)

I am tired of this Obama guy. Nothing but a plain lying canidate. His comments, racist embracements, elitist remarks make me sick. He needs to leave the US if he don’t like us.

Who listens to Bill anymore? And…….once Barack really gets to Indiana, he will trump that Annie Oakley whiskey shooting fool.
Bill should concern himself more with his illegial foreign interests and that billion dollar donor list for his library.

So Bill thinks voters aren’t bitter. If they are n’t bitter, they should be, and they should be bitter at politicians like Clinton and Hillary. Politicians lie to them, use them and then forget them. Example: Bill Clinton came through Ohio , Michigan and Pennsylvania in 1992 and loudly proclaimed that he would never finalize the NAFTA treaty without renegotiating the treaty. Once in office, he almost immediately went back on his word, accepted the Bush1 treaty with no changes and pushed it through the Senate. And he never went back to those people he promised to fight for and told them why he abandoned his promise. Those voters should be bitter and they are delusional if they believe Hillary, or her husband, are one of them.

No, those voters are not bitter; they think the Clintons will give them some money to make life lots better. And those voters who think that, are more ignorant than others who are not only bitter, but angrier than hell at the government (Bushco and Clinton). Don’t think for one minute those people aren’t angry, unless Clinton was talking to only the elite since those are really the only types Clintons want anything to do with. They will do “anything” for a vote for HRC – they would even stoop so low as to shovel sh*t if it meant getting votes! But they would bitch about it the minute the voters backs were turned because they can’t stand being around “blue collar workers” – they are afraid they may catch some disease from us! Foolish/ignorant voters who don’t see through this garbage – shame on them!

Thank you Cheryl from Canada. You are so right. I can’t believe, as an American, that some ignorant people here don’t seem to realize that LIARS would make horrible presidents because we the people wound never know if the truth was being told since those people would have NO character and this is the most important trait. But some people are deaf, dumb and blind (not in the legal sense of those descriptions)! They just REFUSE to see LIARS when they stand right in front of their face. Like you say though, I will NEVER vote for Hill (and you get him too) because she is a PROVEN LIAR!

Yes, I am bitter that a candidate can look down on me and other working families and call us “bitter” when in fact we are happy and hopeful of our future. Senator Obama is an arrogant, condescending and previleged man who feels he is the only ONE who has the answers. He is a liar and as corrupt as they come in politics. He lacks all the qualities of a candidate that most informed people would vote for. He dishes out dirt on other people when he himself is the dirty one.
GET LOST, OBAMA. America does not need you and your bigoty.

I am not bitter when you lied to me Mr. cheating President. Remember wagging your fingers and in cold face saying “I did not have sexual relation with that woman”. Yes, I am not Bitter!

Dear Bob from Pensylvannia, I know exactly what you are talking about as a blue collar worker here in VA. We were going to support her, but then we saw the way she talked down to us and had even said she would be the nominee by Super Tuesday – well we here in VA voted on Super Tuesday and guess what, she was not the nominee. She has been crass, rude, nasty, whiny, victim, and just a rotten human being ever since she lost Super Tuesday. Now she thinks that if she can tell PA about her duck hunting (at the Ducks Unlimited Store maybe) and have a drink wiht you all that she will prove what a good ole boy she is. Well we have come to realize that she will do ANYTHING for a vote – I mean anything. She has pretended to be so sad talking about MLKing when it was his holiday (but Paris Hilton would have done a better acting job and she can’t act at all)! So HRC did not get an academy award for her performance as it was the worst and such a phoney. So I am so glad to know that you are so smart because you are not “legally” blind, deaf, or mentally challenged. Once a person gives their vote to HRC, they never hear or see from her again until 4 years later when she needs you again to give her your vote. I’m proud of you and yours for NOT giving this LIAR, CHEATER, AND PHONEY your vote(s). Thank you again and God bless you and yours. I know (in my heart) Obama is really going to help us and I will keep you and yours in my prayers.

However you feel about Obama is fine…but as a Democratic Voter I am offended by how Hillary is trying to win ugly. Tearing down other Demcrates only makes Hillary look bad. This is why I moved to Obama from Clinton, because I do not like her tactics. She is a piece of work!!!
Dems Unite

Obama said those people are antipathy. Seems to me he’s the one who is really antipathy and completely lack of compassion. People are duped by some wealthy liberals in the america who love to destroy Clinton whatever way they could by propping up Obama. You don’t have to agree with people with faith and believe in 2nd amendment of constitution, but to show such contempt says loudly about the true color of this Obama character as well as his unqualification as a statesman. Imagine what outcry the media will be bursting with if either McCain or Hillary disparage African Americans with similar contemptuous remarks. They will be crucifixed by the media immediately. Here Obama and his supporters not only shown no sign of remorse, they even belittle the insensitivity and continues their offensive smear against Hillary. What arrogance projecting himself champion of hope and change and comparing himself as Kennedy and MLK. He’s nothing but another cunning politician, American are misled.

I do not understand what the bickering is all about…he said, she said…and so many misguided folks that cannot post anything rational but resort to name calling. No wonder this country is in so much trouble.
The race is over. There is a mathematician on the UD site who does stats every week on the primary season. Good stuff – it is quite long but it should shut some people up. And it surely beats the name calling!
This report is posted at: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5493720&mesg_id=5493720
THE MATH – Monday, April 14 – One Week Before Pennsylvania
TIME: 6:00 a.m. Eastern (US)
Delegates needed to win nomination – 2,023.5 (considering status quo)
Pledged Delegates in – 2,687.0 of 3,253.0 – 82.6%
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THE MAGIC NUMBER
Here’s what we have after considering the information in the Polls section below:
Senator Obama’s Magic Number – 93 of 304 remaining superdelegates needed, or 30.6%
Senator Clinton’s Magic Number – 230 of 304 remaining superdelegates needed, or 75.7%
The Huckabee Index – 74 (or 24.3% of remaining superdelegates needed)
The “Huckabee Index” is the number of any combination of superdelegates and convention/caucus delegates that the Obama campaign needs (or the Clinton campaign loses) to make it mathematically impossible for the Clinton campaign to win the nomination, based on current delegate count and polls for upcoming contests. (Disclaimer: This is meant to poke fun at Mike Huckabee, not Hillary Clinton)
Spreadsheet for Current Data
Spreadsheet for Magic Numbers and Huckabee Index
PROJECTED END-RESULTS OF PRIMARIES BASED ON POLLS:
Projected Pledged Delegates:
Barack Obama – 1,700.5 (74 above HALF)
Hillary Clinton – 1,534.5 (92 below HALF)
Projected “Popular” Vote (unweighted) without Florida and Michigan:
Barack Obama – 16,675,542 (+663,192)
Hillary Clinton – 16,012,350
Projected “Popular” Vote (unweighted) with Florida and Michigan added*:
Barack Obama – 17,251,756 (+40,111)
Hillary Clinton – 17,211,645
*Uncommitted – 238,168 (Michigan only, Obama wasn’t on the ballot)
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TOTAL DELEGATES
Estimated Total Delegates as of April 14:
Barack Obama – 1,654.5 (369.0 short)
Hillary Clinton – 1,502.5 (521.0 short)
Remaining Total Delegates – 871.0
(Sources: NBC, Wikipedia 4/14/08)
SUPERDELEGATES
Superdelegates (highest reported for each candidate):
Barack Obama – 230 (Source: NBC 4/14/08)
Hillary Clinton – 259 (Source: NBC 4/14/08)
Remaining Superdelegates – 304
PLEDGED DELEGATES
Estimated Pledged Delegates as of April 14:
Barack Obama – 1,420.5 (206.0 short of HALF)
Hillary Clinton – 1,248.5 (378.0 short of HALF)
Remaining Pledged Delegates – 566.0
(Source: Wikipedia 4/14/08)
OVERALL CONTESTS WON: Barack Obama – 30; Hillary Clinton – 15
PRIMARIES WON: Barack Obama – 16; Hillary Clinton – 12
CAUCUSES WON: Barack Obama – 14; Hillary Clinton – 3
BLUE AND RED STATES WON:
Barack Obama – 11 Blue, 16 Red
Hillary Clinton – 6 Blue, 8 Red
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POPULAR VOTE (for informational purposes only)
Total weighted* popular vote as of April 14:
Barack Obama – 15,812,583 (+1,761,239)
Hilary Clinton – 14,051,344
*Weighted popular vote adds primary votes and 5.5:1 skew of caucus votes
Status Quo unweighted as of April 14:
Barack Obama – 13,689,293 (+827,308)
Hillary Clinton – 12,861,985
(Source: Wikipedia 4/14/08)
Primaries only (Status Quo) as of April 14:
Barack Obama – 13,218,123 (+620,440)
Hillary Clinton – 12,597,683
Caucuses only weighted* popular vote as of April 14:
Barack Obama – 2,594,460 (+1,140,799)
Hilary Clinton – 1,453,661
*Weighted popular vote adds primary votes and 5.5:1 skew of caucus votes
Caucuses only (Status Quo) unweighted total caucus votes as of April 14:
Barack Obama – 471,170 (+206,868 caucus votes)
Hillary Clinton – 264,302
(IA,NV,AK,AS,CO,ID,KS,MN,NM,ND,NE,VI,WA*,ME,HI,TX*,WY,Guam)
With Florida only added, weighted as of April 14:
Barack Obama – 16,388,797 (+1,466,467)
Hillary Clinton – 14,922,330
With Florida only added, unweighted as of April 14:
Barack Obama – 14,265,507 (+532,536)
Hillary Clinton – 13,732,971
With Michigan only added, weighted as of April 14*:
Barack Obama – 15,812,583 (+1,432,930)
Hillary Clinton – 14,379,653
*Uncommitted – 238,168 (Michigan only, Obama wasn’t on the ballot)
With Michigan only added, unweighted as of April 14*:
Barack Obama – 13,689,293 (+498,999)
Hillary Clinton – 13,190,294
*Uncommitted – 238,168 (Michigan only, Obama wasn’t on the ballot)
With Florida AND Michigan added, weighted as of April 14*:
Barack Obama – 16,388,797 (+1,138,158)
Hillary Clinton – 15,250,639
*Uncommitted – 238,168 (Michigan only, Obama wasn’t on the ballot)
With Florida AND Michigan added, unweighted as of April 14*:
Barack Obama – 14,265,507 (+204,227)
Hillary Clinton – 14,061,280
*Uncommitted – 238,168 (Michigan only, Obama wasn’t on the ballot)
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POLLS FOR UPCOMING CONTESTS, USED TO DERIVE THE “MAGIC NUMBER”
Polls have been released for some of the upcoming contests. Where no polls are available, I have marked it as “No Poll” and used a 50/50 calculation for that contest’s pledged delegates. Obviously this information will change, and I plan on updating these calculations whenever we have new or updated polls.
Pennsylvania (April 22): Clinton +4.0 (Zogby 4/8)
Guam (May 3): No Poll
Indiana (May 6): Clinton +9.0 (ARG 4/3)
North Carolina (May 6): Obama +21.0 (PPP 4/7)
West Virginia (May 13): Clinton +28.0 (Rasmussen 3/20)
Kentucky (May 20): Clinton +29.0% (SurveyUSA 3/31)
Oregon (May 20): Obama +10 (SUSA 4/6)
Puerto Rico (June 1): Clinton +13 (Reg y Reg 4/9)
Montana (June 3): Outdated Poll (before Super Tuesday)
South Dakota (June 3): No Poll
If anyone has links to new or more recent polls, please share. Thanks!
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SUPERDELEGATES NEEDED IF REMAINING PLEDGED DELEGATES ARE 50/50 SPLIT
All scenarios (2 through 9) showing Florida or Michigan being seated as is or holding new elections have been removed.
Hillary Clinton needs #/% of remaining superdelegates if remaining pledged is 50/50:
1. Status Quo – Clinton needs 233 of 304, or 76.6% of remaining SDs
10. FL Half-count, MI not seated – Clinton needs 230 of 305, or 75.2% of remaining SDs
11. FL not seated, MI Compromise – Clinton needs 222 of 316, or 70.1% of remaining SDs
12. FL Half-count, MI Compromise – Clinton needs 218 of 317, or 68.6% of remaining SDs
Barack Obama needs #/% of remaining superdelegates if remaining pledged is 50/50:
1. Status Quo – Obama needs 90 of 304, or 29.6% of remaining SDs
10. FL Half-count, MI not seated – Obama needs 108 of 305, or 35.2% of remaining SDs
11. FL not seated, MI Compromise – Obama needs 95 of 316, or 29.9% of remaining SDs
12. FL Half-count, MI Compromise – Obama needs 112 of 317, or 35.2% of remaining SDs
The “Florida Half-count” would net 52.5 pledged delegates for Senator Clinton and 33.5 pledged delegates for Senator Obama. The “Michigan Compromise” would net 83.0 pledged delegates for Senator Clinton and 73.0 pledged delegates for Senator Obama.
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SUPERDELEGATES NEEDED IF REMAINING PLEDGED DELEGATES ARE 55/45 CLINTON
All scenarios (2 through 9) showing Florida or Michigan being seated as is or holding new elections have been removed.
Hillary Clinton needs #/% of remaining superdelegates if remaining pledged is 55/45:
1. Status Quo – Clinton needs 204 of 304, or 67.1% of remaining SDs
10. FL Half-count, MI not seated – Clinton needs 201 of 305, or 65.7% of remaining SDs
11. FL not seated, MI Compromise – Clinton needs 193 of 316, or 60.9% of remaining SDs
12. FL Half-count, MI Compromise – Clinton needs 189 of 317, or 59.5% of remaining SDs
Barack Obama needs #/% of remaining superdelegates if remaining pledged is 55/45:
1. Status Quo – Obama needs 119 of 304, or 39.1% of remaining SDs
10. FL Half-count, MI not seated – Obama needs 137 of 305, or 44.8% of remaining SDs
11. FL not seated, MI Compromise – Obama needs 124 of 316, or 39.1% of remaining SDs
12. FL Half-count, MI Compromise – Obama needs 141 of 317, or 44.3% of remaining SDs
The “Florida Half-count” would net 52.5 pledged delegates for Senator Clinton and 33.5 pledged delegates for Senator Obama. The “Michigan Compromise” would net 83.0 pledged delegates for Senator Clinton and 73.0 pledged delegates for Senator Obama.
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FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN SCENARIOS REGARDING PLEDGED DELEGATES
These are the possible scenarios concerning Florida and Michigan, and what it would require for Senator Clinton to catch up to Senator Obama in pledged delegates. These scenarios are for pledged delegates only. Superdelegate counts are not included. (Note: All scenarios (2 through 9) showing Florida or Michigan being seated as is or holding new elections have been removed.)
The “Florida Half-count” would net 52.5 pledged delegates for Senator Clinton and 33.5 pledged delegates for Senator Obama. The “Michigan Compromise” would net 83.0 pledged delegates for Senator Clinton and 73.0 pledged delegates for Senator Obama.
Scenario 1 – Status Quo (without Florida and Michigan)
Senator Obama needs 34.8% of all pledged delegates in remaining contests to stay ahead
Senator Clinton needs 65.2% of all pledged delegates in remaining contests to catch up
Scenario 10 – Florida Half-count, Michigan not seated
Senator Obama needs 36.5% of all pledged delegates in remaining contests to stay ahead
Senator Clinton needs 63.5% of all pledged delegates in remaining contests to catch up
Scenario 11 – Florida not seated, Michigan Compromise
Senator Obama needs 35.7% of all pledged delegates in remaining contests to stay ahead
Senator Clinton needs 64.3% of all pledged delegates in remaining contests to catch up
Scenario 12 – Florida Half-count, Michigan Compromise
Senator Obama needs 37.4% of all pledged delegates in remaining contests to stay ahead
Senator Clinton needs 62.6% of all pledged delegates in remaining contests to catch up
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More Links:
Brokered Convention
Official Delegate Selection Rules for the 2008 Democratic National Convention
Links to the spreadsheets (feel free to download and create your own scenarios):
Spreadsheet for Current Data
Spreadsheet for Magic Numbers and Huckabee Index
Link to my journal … For past editions, click on the link to view my past journal entries:
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/phrigndumass

Clinton or McCain 2008 !!!!!!!!!!!

Gosh let’s see if anyone with a brain respects his opinion: Empeached, disbarred, real issues with women that include an inability to remain faithful, NAFTA, 111 Million dollars that came from countries that want to take from US workers, Bosnia and genocide…..gosh I am not sure where to stop!
But hey go ahead and send money to a campagin that has no hope of winning other than allowing the Republican s to win come November. NO ONE in Washinton, other than those looking to make more money, want them back…so guess what? Hillary 2008 ain’t happening….the media just dosen’t want you guys to know it yet LOL

Being bitter is good for U- makes u get up in the morning and try to go to a job. Don’t have to wait on the secret service or the limo.
I’ve got Clinton fatigue.

sandy – the race is not over until the convention when a nominee is selected. Math scenarios do not apply since they are all just supposition and projections. After 1982, the DNC altered the rules to ensure that delegates can change camps as well as superdelegates. In addition, there are 76 unpledged delegates that will likely be appointed by the state parties in this historic election. Multiple ballots will be required to give either candidate the “half” of all delegates needed to get the nomination. Since we dont know how many actual delegates until convention time and we dont know who will vote which way on which ballot event, all of the projections are simply that – guesses however educated or historically based they may be. We have already seen that this election does not follow statistical precedence. There are 10 more contests and unknown factors yet to be determined. The only way the race can be over before the convention is if one of the candidates withdraws which is not likely.

DCVoter – good evening! This guy posts stats every Monday. His figures have been right on every week. Even the scenarios. He is an Independent and has not decided who he is going to vote for. The thing I like about it is that he covers every possible scenario and like I said, he has been right on.
Anything can happen yet – that is true, but I honestly do not think this primary season is going to go all the way to the convention before it is settled. We will have a nominee before then.

I can’t stand the way HRC makes me support her….I’m on the hook bc I donated to her losing campaign 4600 so I have to see this thing through…but I’m seekly hoping Obama wins. So ignore my pro Hillary anti-Obama statements as I don’t mean a word that type.
Tony

I am old and bitter and said some nasty things about Obama. Totally not me and who I him as I’m just a sweet nice old lady but judgment is clouded bc of cataracts….
Damn those cataracts.
Obama 08 bc my grandkids told to vote for him or else they would put me in a nursing home…yes, I have early alzheimers as well so I keep forgetting Hillary is the devil and I often need reminders to not vote for her.
So if you get more negative comments from me supporting the devil, errgh I mean Hillary, please put me in my rightful place.

sandy it is technically impossible to have a nominee without a convention. I think you mean presumptive nominee. I too cover all scenarios in my own projections and have been accurate in my predictions for every state contest so far. I dont share them on a website because I work for a living. LOL I just have a short break before I resume teaching math tonight. An interesting item of note is the ARG polls which are fairly conservative (republican leaning). Last week they put Obama and Clinton in a statistical tie and are now projecting 20 point win for Clinton in PA. RIght now I think that is a little high but it is clear (with other polls now showing a shift to Clinton also) that public opinion has shifted in her favor. Time will tell once we see the trends. The bad part about any of the polls is not just the poor wording by some pollsters. But more so the interpretation of the results. Often a poll will show one candidate over another when if you actually look at the numbers there is a crossover indicating a statistical tie. The is true for some of the head to head matches as well as state contests. In any case, back to numeric projections, it is entirely possible for Clinton to overtake Obama in delegates (all) but not possible for either to get to 1/2 the total since we dont know what the total is or the allocation of MI and FL delegates (Dean made the reservations and the court cases are ongoing). The only way a presumptive nominee can be accomplished is if one of them withdraws. Asking either to do so is unprecedented. Funny how when Jesse Jackson in 1988 ran all the way to the convention (potentially jeopardizing the black voting bloc split from the party), he was heralded and respected for his effort. People calling for her to step down are definitely not interested in a democratically selected nominee and are applying different standards to her candidacy. Is it misogynistic? Possibly but as with any form of discrimination it is hard to prove.

Bitter, hell yes. What Judy O’Bannon doesn’t tell you is what her husband did. He vetoed a bill that would have given the Native American Indian people a commission. I wasn’t going to post, but when I saw that she insinuated that everybody in Indiana is happy go lucky…..don’t think so Judy. And she knows it too, because we were really vocal about it when it happpened. Everybody needs to tell the truth. And we all need to remember what Jack said “you can’t handle the truth”
OBAMA ’08

An elitist is someone who believes in ruling by a party of the few elites. This means an elitist believes their group knows best regardless of what people think. We can then conclude an elitist places themselves “above” others and stereotypes their behavior. The statements made by Obama were in response to a question about why rural voters are generally not voting for him. He chose to try to blame them based on stereotyping instead of saying he should work harder to get in touch with their needs and find out why they dont support him. He then tried to justify his statements about 5 times before finally saying he regrets his words. Even then, he tried to justify the regrets. The general perception now is that people dont believe his attempt at an apology because they believe he was or is being elitist and only regrets being caught talking about them in a stereotypical manner. Growing up in rural Texas, I can tell you he was off the mark completely and fully understand why people are offended. He may have cost the democrats the election in doing so as well as democratic races for Congress and other offices. Anyone notice his surrogates (the important ones) have been silent and MIA? I suspect that is because they know the damage may be irreparable.

DC – I supect some of the reasons the surrogates for Obama have been silent is this whole situation he wants to handle by himself. He ‘created,’ it, he will handle it. He does not need anyone running interference for him – he is his own man. Personally, I believe it is MSM that continually whips up a storm, and the supporters on both side go crazy. We all support the candidate we support – name calling and mudslinging accomplishes nothing but hurt feelings and more negative reactions. In the end we are all going to have to come together and support the Democratic candidate. You and I are on opposite sides of the candidate spectruum – I have respect for your stand, I hope you have respect for mine.

With all of her talk about grace and the “Holy Spirit” surrounding her, one would think that compassion and forgiveness isn’t also the job description of the Holy Spirit.
When you are down & out & with absolutely no where to turn, you can be sure that, when you finally get on your knees you aren’t calling on the name of Hillary!
Obama needs to turn this page, and stay on point. There’s always going to be a snake in the trees.
OBAMA 08

Senator Obama showed empathy and discipline for workers of pennsylvannia (as disciplinarian father) and drooling Clinton jumping at the role of over-indulgent grandmother smothering workers as if the American workers were whimpy.
In order to fix a problem we first have to create awarness.

Let’s ask Hilliary what Bill Clinton
meant by his comments.
All these economically insecure white people who are scared to death,”…
As the rumination continues over Barack Obama’s comments about economically-depressed small town voters, statements made by Bill Clinton on the same topic — uttered while he was running for president in 1991 — have now surfaced.
“The reason (George H. W. Bush’s tactic) works so well now is that you have all these economically insecure white people who are scared to death,” Clinton was quoted saying by the Los Angeles Times in September 1991.
A couple months later, Joe Klein, writing for the Sunday Times, reported that Clinton made the following remarks:
“You know, he [Bush] wants to divide us over race. I’m from the South. I understand this. This quota deal they’re gonna pull in the next election is the same old scam they’ve been pulling on us for decade after decade after decade. When their economic policies fail, when the country’s coming apart rather than coming together, what do they do? They find the most economically insecure white men and scare the living daylights out of them. They know if they can keep us looking at each other across a racial divide, if I can look at Bobby Rush and think, Bobby wants my job, my promotion, then neither of us can look at George Bush and say, ‘What happened to everybody’s job? What happened to everybody’s income? What … have … you … done … to … our … country?’”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/13/bill-clinton-flashback-al_n_96433.html

Loved the part about Bill’s “evolving” truth. I’d say it’s more a matter of mutation, though.
The Clinton’s have no one to blame but themselves.
This was theirs to lose. And they have.
Either way.

I will watch Obama win and Clinton lose while drinking a double espresso. That will be bitter-sweet moment for me.

Is he just a pathological liar? Why can’t Clinton manage to tell the truth?

To observer; you must be foaming at the mouth–because how dare anyone disagree with your way of thinking??You seem like a know it all. Are you one of those –my way or the high way sort of people.You must not have any friends–because you are too angry and bitter to be around.

if you fools vote for McSame or Shillery you will get what you deserve for picking old school oportunists
if you respond to her negativity and pandering you deserve 4 more years of whats to come…..

It is not unusual when life’s circumstances have been disappointing for bitterness to take root and begin to grow. For the Clintons and their supporters the campaign may not turn out as they expected.There are signs of a bitter root beginning to take hold. The bitterness is directed toward Barack Obama.The Clintons and their supporters can either let the root grow,as they presently are, or weed it out, as they may never do.

I love Hillary and Bill. So what if they made a 100 million dollars in 7 years? So what if he had sex (or didnt) with that woman in the oval office? So what if she called someone a jew b#^*^#^? She what if she lied about her foreign policy experience? So what if she could not accomplish in 8 years what she says she wants to do as president? So what? At least she says the right things about God, about Guns, and small towns.

So just a few more lies from the Clintons, what else is new. For those who prefer this to a man who tries to understand and explain small town American, you can have exactly what you deserve with four more years under a Republican administration given the Clintons search and destroy policy. If any of you really believe that she is electable you are living in the same Bosnia sniper fire reality as your candidate. Good luck, you’ll need it.

I think it is kinda sad actually that everyone can’t talk with out fear of their remarks being picked apart. Obama should have mentioned gas prices. I am bitter every day I get up and drive somewhere. They really need to talk about why we are bitter that gas is crazy expensive.

Bill in a word is delusional and yes racism is alive and well Tony.

Who wants to talk about what the Clintons DO…instead of what the twist, manipulate and manufacture in the news? They are superior campaigners but what they Actually DO is contradict themselves for cash….she does not support Columbian trade deal…he does and made $800,000 doing so. Why is this not in the news? They rely on the media to put the spin out and creat the ‘bitter’ flurry…yet feel they can escape scrutiny for what they actually do!! C’mon ABC….send someone out the get the story on the TV…

Bill Clinton sees many non-existant things as well as those signs. Sometimes what he sees is scary.

The Clintons are truly a pre-web political phenomena. If the Internet had been as advanced in 1992 as it is today, there is no way that Bill Clinton would have been elected president. Habitually shading the truth out of political expediency might have worked back then, the but it doesn’t work today. But he still doesn’t get that part, nor does his wife, apparently. And that’s why she is going to lose.

Time to take you ruined legacy and ride off into the sunset Bill.