Bill Clinton: Under GOP Primary System, Hillary Would Be Winning

It would be more telling to show the map of supports, couties that HRC won, compared to counties BO won, in primary states such as Ohio. HRC wiped out BO in Texas and Ohio. BO ended up gaining more delegates in Texas after losing essentially all counties, only because of the fundamentally flawd, undemocratic system of the so-called Democratic party. Thomas Jefferson probably is knocking his grave to come back to life to teach this bunch of idiots what one-person-one-vote means.
This nevertheless tells something about who is elitist, and who is connected to voters. It also shows the so-called delegates won by BO are just as phony as he is.

Oh ya, Caucus states are bad too, because the candidate that is the most likeable, with the most committed supporters and the best run organization wins.
These factors make Caucuses unfair. And so we should discount the Caucus states as well.
After some caucus states start with “W” and have borders form with right angles. THese states are doubly super bad and should not count.

If Obama can’t win Penn, it proves again and again, he just can’t win big states and just can win over white vote..
All he won so far are most black or red states because of his skin color and street organizor experience for caucus..

Tina – if Clintons were republicans, it would have left the Democratic party with only one one-term president since LBJ. What a pity, it is so easy for you to forget. Perhaps, you are too young to remember.

AND GOP IS SO STUPID THAT THEY WOULD PREFER HILLARY AS THIER OPPONENT THAN OBAMA?
Bill thinks he was able to fool people once with his infamous lie people can be foold over and over.

I trusted you once when you fooled me with your infamous lie…..but SORRY NOT ANYMORE…specially when you are campaigning for another liar like you.

right! I think she is better off in the republican negative ad machine… “If she does not like the heat, she should get out of the kitchen!” If she does not like the rules, move to republicans!

Well it’s not too late for Hillary to get out and change to the republican party,I hear McCain is looking for a vice president running mate. I think she would be much happier anyway. Please do the Democrats a favor!
McCain/Clinton 08!

If the Clintons are so obsessed with winning under republican rules, why not then just run for office as a republican? She sure sounds like one anyway. These two are unbelievable!

First it was popular vote, then big state then winner takes all, then Electoral Votes, now GOP system.
I have better idea:
Clinton’s Enron election math!
1. If you don’t count states with caucuses, she is winning almost as many states.
2. If you don’t count delegates that were allocated by caucus, she is almost winning in delegates.
3. If you count states where SHE WAS THE ONLY ONE ON THE BALLOT, she is winning the popular vote! (Not anymore, She is waiting for PA, and then this claim be reinvented)
4. If you count Electoral Votes ONLY she is winning.
5. if you only count on Saturdays she is winning.
6. If you only count her delegates, she is winning.
So there you see, Hillary Clinton is winning.

We’ve awakened, Mike, and we’re turning our backs on you and your party.

How about, Mr. President, instead of changing Democratic party rules 90% of the way into the contest to make the primaries more like the Electoral College…we just get rid of the Electoral College?
Sound good to everyone?

And the basketball team that loses by a score of 60 to 100 says it would have won if they had been playing golf.
If the rules had been different, then Obama and Clinton would have campaigned differently. They campiagned according to the rules of the game and Obama won.

How ridiculous! If Bill and Hillary found fault in the Democratic delegate allocation system, then they could have readily addressed that issue during the several years that their hand-picked DNC Head – Terry McCauliffe — held the post. Of course, they did not address the system because they anticipated a quick end to the nominaiton under the prevaiiling rules. Further, if the rules had been winner-take-all, the Obama campaign would have implemented a strategy built around the w-t-a fromat.

But what if instead of the Democrat OR Republican rules, the primaries had been run according to KLINGON election rules? In that case, Hillary would, indeed be ahead by 45,987 Kapturs, but Obama would have garnered 67.9 Zonal Points, adding significantly to his Worfdor Total!

Why is the story that Obama can’t win Pennsylvania when the story should be Hillary can barely hold Pennsylvania. She had a 20 point lead, ffs!

These are the same rules under which Bill Clinton won the Presidency.

The answer is obvious:
THEN LET HER JOIN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY!

Leave it to a Clinton to say Democrats should follow the Republican leadership.

The facts:
No one is doubt Obama won black states because of his skin color..
No one is doubt Obama won red states because of his street organizor experience for caucus…
That is just undeniable truth but some obama’s fan liked to rebute that…
In another words, if not because of obama’s skin, he won’t be in the race…
That is undeniable truth..

If they want to win so bad, why don’t they just “run home to momma” and become Republicans anyway. I’m SURE they can beat McCain who matches Hilliary on foriegn policy gaffes. And she already worships at the altar of corporate, big government over everyones life, so it’s not like we’d be seeing that much difference from McCain. I’m sure Bill can make it happen. Just pick up the phone Bill, call your buddy Limbaugh and he’ll get rolling on Hilliary for the GOP. I knew there was a reason you went on his show before the last primary; And a reason as to why he encouraged “so-called” Republicans to vote for your “girl”. Hilliary will not allow a silly thing like rules or the will of the people to get in the way of her “right” to lord over all of us. How foolish of us, the “mere cattle” to think that we could try to avert such a folly of a world without a BUSH or a CLINTON telling us how to live and what to do. To quote Bill directly: “How DARE we”, indeed…

Oh Bill. Your wife doesn’t need to look anymore Republican. Bill Clinton won under these “weird” Democratic rules. Why can’t Hillary? Bill did well in caucuses. Why can’t Hillary? In fact, why can’t Hillary seem to put this away? No one else is whining about the unfair rules. Now she and Bill are blaming “the system” for her failures? Sad, Hillary.

ya if only she didn’t have an opponent she would be winning. between the HRC campaign moving goal posts – changing their own rules and the media bias you’d all have had her coronation by now.

Bill and hillary are just two angry guys and their followers are getting contagious…
This is just disgusting.

I invite both Hillary and Bill to join the Republican party where their willingness to do anything, say anything to get elected will be appreciated. Please join NOW and don’t let the door hit your backside on the way out!

Am I the only one who cringes when Bill calls Sen. Clinton “girl”? Maybe I’m giving away my age here but it seems so condescending and sexist I wonder why no one in the media has ever taken him to task on this.

The fact is that Hil is losing because she ran a lousy campaign, underestimated her opponents and “stepped in it” a few too many times with stories like Bosnia and 35 years of experience.
Spin it however you want, Bubba, but she has no one to blame but herself — and maybe Mark Penn.
Obama 2008 — Yes, WE CAN!!!

Commander -
Caucuses are fundamentally flawed and undemocratic for a host of reasons – Short windows of opportunity to participate – leaving thousands who may want to vote out of the process – working mothers, anyone who works second shift – the elderly, who have no interest in sitting in a gym for 2 hours and enduring a bunch of 20 yrs olds screaming at them – I could go on and on -
The fact is, after Clinton wins tomorrow she will lead in popular vote and will go on to be our nominee.
The Democratic party cannot afford to nominate a man who would sit in that church for 20 years and not show the strength to say something or would nurture a personal and professional relationship with a known and unrepentant domestic terrorist. If Obama is the nominee it will ensure ruin for us in November.

So? So maybe she should run next time as a Republican. She already employs their tactics.

Democrats vs. Republicans again…
Way to keep up the same old nation-splitting politics.
We are The United States folks…
Republicans and Democrats are equally strong, weak, ugly, pretty, good, bad, honest, and dishonest.
Jeeze…
In Obama We Trust!

Sounds like a great idea.
Hillary should just join the party and run as McCain’s running mate.
We don’t want to hear from Hillary in the Democratic party again

Tango
No. Superdelegates were created by the DNC in 1980 “to keep the radical segment of the democratic party from nominating an unviable candidate who would lose the general”.
Lawyers making rules to benifit themselves.
Superdelegates were simply created to keep the party leaders in charge and to give them more control over the party.
I guess superdelegates are “more equal” than the rest of us.
Sounds like G. Orwell to me…
Republicans have no such system.
In Obama We Trust!

Bill Clinton has something in common with George W. Both like to spin, changing the rules of the game after the game is started. For Bush, Iraq was all about WMD, then ridding the world of a dictator, then democracy blooming in the mideast, then fighting Al Quaida, then counter-acting Iran’s influence in the region. Pardon me if I got some of these reasons for going to war in Iraq out of order. Spin is king.
Everyone knew the rules of the game when the primary season started. It wasn’t winner take all, it was proportional voting, it included caucuses, it had nothing to do with total popular vote or the electoral college, big states versus small states, ‘significant’ vs. ‘insignificant’ states. Florida and Michigan won’t count; now, we should re-consider (after we failed to close the deal Super Tuesday). Are others as tired of the Clintons as I am?

Serious answer now:
The Clintons are trying to win the nomination by gaming the system. They signed off on rules that aren’t working for them now (Florida, Michigan) because they presumed it would be a cake walk and that she would have had the nomination all sewed up by March. They planned their primary campaign and strategy only for a Super Tuesday win, not expecting to have to still be fighting for the nomination this late.
The Clinton strategy, and their only strategy at this point, is to convince the superdelegates to override the people’s votes. That only she is capable of beating McCain. There is no scenario where Hillary Clinton will get out of this race before the convention, EXCEPT if the superdelegates go on the record on June 3rd and enough declare for Obama. That is the earliest because of the other primaries still to take place (delegates are or can be prevented from declaring before their state has held their primary by the state party rules).
I think there is a minor, MINOR, possibility that she might leave the race if she lost Pennsylvania tomorrow. But even that isn’t likely. Which brings us to Harold Ickes, just one of the many slimeballs surrounding the king and queen of slimey politics. Part of the convention-win strategy includes getting Florida’s and Michigan’s delegates seated. Harold Ickes wrote the contest rules and the three chairs of that committee are former Clinton appointees.
Unless the Clinton campaign, which is aggressively trying to sell the acceptance of superdelegates “following their own counsel and ignoring the voters”, giving the nomination to Clinton instead of Obama over the popular vote, delegate count and majority of states (“because we know best, Obama’s not electable”) – unless “The Clinton Show” is shut down tomorrow, this is going to end one of two ways:
1) Hillary Clinton will be the nominee and will lose the general election,
2) After Florida and Michigan delegations are seated, there is a backlash by superdelegates over the Clinton tactics, Obama gets the nomination but has to campaign with Republicans running ads of Hillary Clinton trashing him (with Clinton working against Obama behind the scenes, too, so that she can run again in four years) making it very difficult (if not impossible) for Obama to win the general election.

First Hill/Bill was FOR the people’s vote (thinking Fl/MI could win it for them), then they dumped the people’s vote for the superdelegates (thinking THAT would win it for them) and now, the superdelegates are the problem?! Look Hill/Bill you did know the race you were in right? thank God you won’t be taking that 3am call!

So, if the Democrats had a winner take all primary, Obama would have more popular votes, but still be behind in delegates.
Well, shades of 2000!

Oh look, it’s ABC reporting on how desirable a GOP rule book would be for Hillary Clinton. Surprise, surprise!
Why don’t Hillary and Bill just switch parties. They fit in so much better on the dark side!

In 92 the rules were okay, but now that hillary’s losing the rules are flawed…I think it’s the clintons that are flawed…the dnc system is beter than the gop’s by far…every vote counts and matters…

And what is not true about what Bill Clinton said?

The problem is not the procentual allocation of delegates, even though I feel that it would make more sense, because it is more similar to the GE.
Her problem is that too many candidates dropped out too soon. Obama profited most from Edwards dropping out.
Of course, she made mistakes, just like any human being. The “inevitable” sales pitch was one of them. If someone is “inevitable”, most people will look for an alternative and they found that alternative in Obama.

truth – jealousy is not a good thing to have. It’s the american way to make money and get rich. You can do it too, only need be smart and find your way.

Interesting he should say that – I believe that if Hilarry thought she could be president by changing to the Republican party she would!!

P.S.
I voted for Bill Clinton. Twice. My party has been taken over the Democratic Leadership Council, Republicans essentially, and I haven’t been happy with who my party’s elders have been vetting for many election cycles.
I held my nose when I voted for Clinton and knew we would regret having to trust him. I was right, but I supported him through impeachment and then some. The Clinton supporters were wrong, and we now have in Hillary Clinton a woman with a breathtaking facility for lying. When she’s not lying about her own resume and achievements, she’s lying about her opponents’ record and character. That she would say some of the things she’s saying, twisting words and context to mischaracterize gives us a front row seat into a thinking process devoid of integrity and morality. This woman has no ethical or moral compass. I’m blown away by that discovery.
So when do the Clinton supporters shut up, take a back seat so that we can get our country and the world back on track again?
I didn’t get to vote for my preferred candidate. He had to drop out of the race before my state (the biggest in the union) got a chance to weigh in. When Florida and Michigan complains, all I can say is, “None of us get it the way we want it!”
Obama is a compromise choice for me. That’s what a democracy is about, everyone pitching in and compromising for the good of the whole. Fortunately, that’s the kind of politics Obama is selling.
I made my contribution, as did the supporters of all of the other Democratic candidates who are with Obama as their compromise choice. Where and when can we expect the Clintonites’ to compromise and make their concessions and contributions to the good of the whole?

Bill Clinton, and other Hillary supporters who make this point are making some big assumptions. They assume that even if the rules were winner take all, that Obama would still have used the same strategy he used and thereby allow Hillary would have won the same states that she won this time!
If anything, Hillary is the onme who couldn’t adjust strategy to fit current situations.

This is a weak argument. It ignores the fact that Obama chose a strategy to match the existing rules. Presumably, if the rules had been different it would have likewise affected his strategy. Hillary is running as a Democrat, knew the rules and should have developed a strategy to win under Democratic not Republican rules.

What a load of garbage. The Clintons continue to operate in their own world. If the Democrats had the same system the Republicans have, the Obama campaign would have adjusted their campaign strategy accordingly.
Obama invested heavily in the smaller February 5th states because that was the best strategy to secure the nomination given the rules that existed. Had the Democratic process been winner take all, there is no doubt that Obama would have adjusted his campaign accordingly.
This is what the Clintons don’t get: Obama is smarter than them, and he is a better candidate than Hillary. Bill and Hillary are excellent Monday morning quarterbacks. Unfortunately (for them), they suck on Sunday afternoon….

Bill, if she preferred those rules she should have run for the GOP’s nomination, you big dope.

Bill Clinton needs to stop WHINING about how the rules are so unfair. Yes Bill, if the DNC would ONLY change the system NOW, so Hillary might still have a chance…..please. Is his new stump speech going to center on “what if” scenerios? Is this even worth a blogpost?
She has run a crappy campaign and has left a trail of unpaid vendors in her wake. Nice fiscal management!

Vow: Fear mongering! Using Osama Bin Laden to generate fear. The Clintons are scum bags.
Bill Clinton saying that if it were republican primary then Hillary would have won. He said that the Democratic rules are “crazy.” Now that his wife is loosing he is lementing about the rule! It is like loosing a soccer game and saying if we were playing with golf scoring rules then we would have won!
Please Clintons go away, you can live on your millions for ever. We don’t need you and likes of you.

Uhhhhh, OK, Bill. So why don’t you two jump over to the party that suits you better. I seem to remember you liking the proportional system the Dems had when you were running. Too little, too late. Bye bye Clintons.

If… if… if. I didn’t think there were any more goalposts left. Now the Clintons are borrowing Republican goalposts?
Imagine someone walking up to Tiger Woods at the end of a tournament saying “if the high score won, I would beat you. But under this crazy system where the low school wins, you’re in first place again.”
How about this? “If Republicans could pick the Democratic nominee, no doubt about it, Hillary would be the nominee.”
If the Clintons put half the creativity into winning the ACTUAL contest as it’s ACTUALLY scored, maybe they’d be able to win.

Couple of quick points:
1. ABC News’ ability to hold presidential debates is the only thing worse than its grammer: ” . . . if her and Obama were competing in the Republican primary system”
2. One fallacy of Clinton’s point, of course, is that neither side would have used the strategy it did if the rules were different. Bill’s point is like saying that if the Red Sox and Rockies had been holding a track meet, rather than playing baseball, the Rockies would have won, given that they’re younger and faster overall. These people become more embarrassing every day.

Hillary has been running as a Republican all year, so this statement doesn’t surprise me.
Should she get the nomination they would say that the job would be easy if the world would just follow Hillary.
There is something mentally wrong with these two, just keep0 a smile on your face and say or do anything they wish.
Obama08

Fix your grammatical error please.
“Clinton would hold more like a 173 delegate-lead if her and Obama were competing in the Republican primary system. . . . ”
You should use “she” not “her.” The pronoun functions as a subject not an object. Your phrasing sounds so ignorant and it reflects poorly on your website.

Just heard from Donna Brazile and these are her words. “We will solve Florida and Michigan. Obama did not create the problem.”

A number of people have posted comments about caucuses that are not correct, at least in my state. You do not have to physically attend the caucus to have your vote counted. It is possible to submit what is essentially an absentee ballot and your vote is included. A number of these were turned in at my precinct meeting. People of all ages and circumstances attend. There were elderly, handicapped, young, and middle aged people there. Some people bring their kids with them.
What we love about caucuses is that it is democracy up front and personal. We get a chance to talk to our neighbors about the issues and the candidates. When I lived in a small community in Massachusetts, I loved the town meetings for the same reason. The people who attend are committed enough to be well-informed and take the time to either attend or send in their absentee form. Lots of people become delegates to the county meeting that takes place a number of weeks later. The lucky ones go on to the state caucus. Real conversations take place and people do move from one candidate to another based on the discussions.
I feel sorry for the people who don’t get an opportunity to caucus with their neighbors. You’re missing something. No one said that democracy would be easy. It’s hard work. Literally showing up and being counted is an excellent reminder of that.
It’s ridiculous to talk about how the election would be different if the rules were different. The time to have that discussion is before or after the contest. Not in the middle. We’ve all played board games with people who want to do that. They’re called jerks. If anyone thinks either of the Clinton’s would make these arguments if the shoe were on the other foot, they don’t know the Clintons.
What they’ve showed me throughout this process is that it’s all about them. Whatever they have to bend to get their way, they will do. Enough of that already. I’d roll the dice with a lesser candidate than Obama not to see them back in the WH again. Enough Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton. Enough Bill/Hill marital dramas. Time to move on.

Just heard from Donna Brazile and these are her words. “We will solve Florida and Michigan. Obama did not create the problem.”

Hillary Last Hurrah!!
No money in the bank, so making her mouth to do the diry trick!!
Shame on You Hillary!!
GIVE PEOPLE THEIR MONEY BACK!
ENOUGH SPEECH, GIVE THEM THEIR MONEY BACK!!
SHAM HILLARY SHAME!!
GO TO GOP!!
OBAMA08!! YES WE CAN!!

BILL IS GETTING CRAZY,
BOTH CLINTONS SHOULD MOVE TO GOP!!
OBAMA08!!YES WE CAN!!

Interesting that Bill refers to “republican” rules. Are they better? That’s like Hillary using Bin Laden in her fear mongering ad after it was Bill who let him go. This is one weird political couple. PA please spare us more Bush/Clinton scandals and nightmares!

I’m a Obama supporter but i kind of wish Hillary would win the nomination, because she would definitely lose to McCain in November and this country would get the president they deserve, John the Warmonger McSame.

Maybe next time Sen. Clinton should run in the GOP Primary then?
Calling out ABC for not asking “issues” questions is whining…but this is?
Pathetic. That’s what it is.

if they like the Republican rules so much, maybe they should just “convert.”

Lisa,
I do not know that Hillary is a Democrat. Now she talks about blowing Iran up.
She is a loose cannon and fundamentally flawed. I for one would have to give serious consideration before I could vote for her.
It might be better to have a moderate John McCain, then this right wing Clinton in office.
Clinton is fundamentally flawed.
Obama08

maybe the clinton’s should join the republican party since they act like bush and rove–but in the democratic party she will never ever get the nomination–play by the rules bill–don’t whine about the rules billy!!!

What Bubba fails to acknowledge is that the Clinton and Obama have run their campaigns under the current rules. Had the rules been different, the candidates would have run their organizations differently. So he cannot predict what MIGHT HAVE happened IF things had been different. That’s just a logical fallacy.

Hillary is going to win in Pa and then we still need to take care of FL. and MI. you can’t leave them out we had plenty of time for a re-vote and that is what should have been done the leaders of this party don’t own it we the life time democrats should have a say.

…SO!!! lol… and btw in other words… She is a looser b’coz DNC is not Grand Old Party and has a better voting system than the GOP’s ‘winner take all system’… which is called Proportional Representation or Full Representation System… Most modern democracies have adopted some form of PR because they recognize the obvious: PR is a fairer, more flexible, more modern electoral system than the antiquated eighteenth century “winner-take-all” method.

Bill,
Take a tip from Carville: you take the democratic party line and let your wife cover the Republican view.
We all agree Hillary would make a better Republican candidate and could have kicked John McCain’s ass (he’s too old to hit as hard as she does and not nearly as smart) only to loose to Obama later like she is now.

“Clinton would hold more like a 173 delegate-lead if her and Obama were competing in the Republican primary system given the GOP system doesn’t have superdelegates.”
Yes, but would her beat McCain?
Someone wasn’t paying attention in second grade when the difference between “her” and “she” were explained.

I’m surprised that no one has mentioned:
Maybe the reason Bill has been such a gaff-master for Hillary’s campaign is that he doesn’t want her to win. How many reasons could there be for that?

I agree HRC should join the Republican Party. She is power hungry; she can’t even run a campaign, she’’s out of money AGAIN!
You want this woman running an already troubled economy.
HRC could care less about regular people if you haven’t figured that out you’re a lost cause.
I want Obama! I’m really excited this campaign its History in the making.

Hillary is our “girl,” and in any system, including the democratic, she will win the necessary superdelegates. After a double-digit win in PA, the math will become unmistakable to the supers. Obama can’t win big states, but Hillary has, and she WILL again in November.
It’s nothing to say what we can do, it’s infinitely more important to say what we WILL do. Hillary, YES WE WILL!!!

this is precisely why people are losing respect for the clintons. they are like school children who believe that the playground toys belong to them.

Well, I think Senator Clinton should have run as a republican then the way she has run her campaign would make more sense to me and she could take the fight all the way to November…. Maybe the republicans would have liked that too?
Obama ’08

The Clintons remind me of a quote from the Late Great Frank Zappa:
“The Democrats stand for nothing except ‘I wish I was a Republican’ and the Republicans stand for raw, unbridled evil and greed and ignorance smothered in balloons and ribbons. So that’s really not much of a choice and it’s nauseating to watch Democrats make speeches because they all wish they were Republicans.”

When Bill won his first nomination it was the momentum from the caucuses he won that carried in to victory.
What a complete freekin hypocrite!
At least this may explain why Hillary is campaigning like Karl Rove and W. She would prefer to run as a Republican!

Lazy wrote:
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It would be more telling to show the map of supports, couties that HRC won, compared to counties BO won, in primary states such as Ohio. HRC wiped out BO in Texas and Ohio. BO ended up gaining more delegates in Texas after losing essentially all counties, only because of the fundamentally flawd, undemocratic system of the so-called Democratic party. Thomas Jefferson probably is knocking his grave to come back to life to teach this bunch of idiots what one-person-one-vote means.
This nevertheless tells something about who is elitist, and who is connected to voters. It also shows the so-called delegates won by BO are just as phony as he is.
”
THANKS SO MUCH!! THIS IS WHAT I WANTED TO SAY FOR A LONG TIME!!!!!

If America would raise the voting age to 40 and strip minorities of the right to vote, Hillary would be winning.

If moveon.org weren’t organized to support you and husband during the days of impeachment, you would be history and unable to run for anything.

If other primary rules were in play from the beginning who knows who would have entered the primaries, how they would have played the game and who would be winning now. Perhaps Biden would be winning. Perhaps some other Democrat.
Bill has become the worse sort of sophist.

fine. dandy. if hillary wants to run as a republican, i’m sure she could beat mccain. she’s already endorsed him.

The superdelegates better not overlook the fact that Hillary Clinton wins the Big states, which are very important in the general election. The Big States
are Obama’s weakness, along with all the
18 and 20-year old Obama supporters who may or may not bother to show up to vote in the general election.

Do it Hillary, PLEASE just do it! You know you’re a republican on the inside so you may as well just go ahead and come out so to speak. It would make my year! You were talking on LKL about how you and McCain are such big buddies and LOVE hanging out together. You could be called McClinton! It would be simply adorable. Plus, you want to invade Iran, and he wants to stay in Iraq….brilliant minds must think alike!
And I think R stands for ridiculous! Oops, hope I didn’t make any typos or misspell any words because I’m not all perfect like SOME people. cough R cough

Stop piking on Hillary and Bill.
If my horse won the Kentucky Derby, people would be impressed.
The fact that I don’t have a horse doesn’t change the accomplishment of my winning the Derby.
You cannot take that victory away from me.
(If Bush was popular and the Constitution hadn’t been amended, we wouldn’t even be discussing the Election.

sounds like sour grapes to me…”ifs’ and “if onlys” are like the swan-song of somebody whose lost…i think bill clinton is saying these things partly to to stir up trouble and discontent…this why people say the Clintons are divisive and really have their own interests at stake, not the interests of the Democratic Party…

Hiliary should be republican.

Why is it all you treat Hillary like she is a republican? Listen, I voted for Obama, but there will no difference between either one should they take office. You’re a sad loser who believes politicians way too much if you think otherwise.

Hey Bill & Hill,
Here’s another trueism. If so many people hadn’t voted for Obama, Hillary would be winning! WOW. Fancy THAT!

another comedy show from bill

BS from the master of BS.
Neither of them had the chance to campaign. My bet would be that, given the opportunity to campaign in Florida and Michigan, it would be a closer race… Heck, she had a hard time beating “undecided” in Michigan without campaigning – Barack Obama probably would have WON in Michigan.
I would have given Michigan to Obama by a few points, and Clinton to Florida by a few points.

Then Hilliary should make it official and change parties and brand the Republican title…because we all know that Hilliary is really a Republic….I cannot say the same for her hill billy husband…

I’m disgusted at the pro Obama slant of everyone, and their indignation that she is still in the race. (And I’m as far left as you can get!) She is actually ahead in the popular vote!!! That is of primaries, not those caucuses where you have to be there between 6:30 and 7 etc. She is about 50,000 ahead and needs to make more of that. It is outrageous that Obama got more Texas delegates when HRC won the primary there by about 100,000 and Obama won the caucus by 5,000!! but those are Texas rules.
And again, why the hell should superdelegates follow their delegates – what would be the point of superdels then? You might as well add 10% extra to all the delegates instead then and forget the supers. And anyway, if they followed the popular vote, they should be voting for HRC.

Someone should inform Bill Clinton
and the other Hillary supporters that
the fact is Barack Obama Won Texas!
He won more delegates in the primary
and caucaus, therefore he won Texas!

Bill makes a good case. The best thing for Hillary to do is to switch to a party where she can win.

Uh….
Another priceless moment from the team of Hill-Billy.
Straight into Hillary’s and Bill’s “MOVE THE GOALPOST AGAIN….I MISSED THE KICK” file.

If the rules were different, Obama would have run a very different campaign. You can’t change the rules in the middle of the game! This is exactly why the Clintons’ Florida and Michigan arguments are so disingenuous – they want to change the rules to suit their needs. Obama’s run a brilliant campaign based on the established rules, and you can presume that he would have run a similarly brilliant – though different – campaign if the rules were different.

I don’t remember Bill complaining about the rules when he was running for president. If he and Hillary like Republican rules so much, why don’t they join the GOP?

Hillary likes to say if you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Well, turnabout is fair play. IF YOU CAN’T STAND THE RULES, GET OUT OF THE PARTY! I believe Hillary did start out as a Young Republican — maybe time to return to her roots!

reaganfan – no – under the democratic party system she has NOT lost as superdelegates can do what the hell they want. That’s the dem system. She is behind on several parameters and ahead in others.
Second, it’s a joke to say that BO won Texas – HRC won the primary by 100,000 votes, and lost the caucus by just 5.000. Winning doesn’t mean anything here. If you insist on going by the delegates won, then you have to add the superdelegate total too which could go either way.

Why dosen’t Bill just make a proclamation? Hillary is inevitable, she should win, so if she were not losing she would be winning.
What game are we playing?

The Clintons are not only laughable, but also downright pathetic. Look, let’s just be blunt:
Hillary has
-failed to win the most states.
-failed to win the most delegates.
-failed to win the popular vote.
-failed to manage an organized campaign.
-failed to re-energize her campaign with enough funds and is now in debt.
-failed to level with the American people about healthcare.
-failed to be forthright about her stance on NAFTA.
Failed, failed, failed. Is this who PA voters want for the highest office in our land? Aren’t we in bad enough shape?
We need a new leader with a new vision and the ability to inspire a new generation. We need Obama! Not 4 more years through McBush or the Clinton dynasty. Obama 2008!!!

What? Is Bill now insinuating that the GOP system is better because it’s more similar to the general election? Isn’t the electoral college a bad idea for many Democrats anyway? Didn’t they complain about how President Bush won the White House with (yes) less of the popular vote but with more electors? And if the Dems did use the GOP that means, (yes!) Senator Obama would have a larger margin of the popular vote, but Senator Clinton would have more delegates! How democratic! Isn’t the porportional system more Democratic (yes it is, over the winner-takes-all system of the GOP) But I guess it’s not if YOU ARE LOSING THE RACE YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BE WINNING!!!! Who is whining now!!! This is madness and I’ve lost all respect for President Clinton. I’m sorry, sir. You have changed beyond recognition. Et tu Bill, says the Democrats. Et tu Bill.

good one YOLANDA , I think you may be right , I am for Hillary but I really think she should go Independent
and see if she can split the vote better . Or she could just quit the race and say she is giving up her job in the senate and will be leaving the country with her family to enjoy europe and live in England where they are loved . We don’t need them to help Obama …If what you all say is true about her she can only hurt the party . so she should make a quick speech with no follow up or questions and leave the country . I am sure all of Hillarys supporters will run to support the people like yourself that said hateful things about her . Florida has not even been able to vote so with Hillary leaving the country I am sure that would not raise the level of fear about what we are about to face in our countries economy . Just sit back and watch all the ignored voters , and all those South d. and north D. voters you are so proud of come and flood the polls. I know he BO really represents me ,OK not me , but he does support other people that have had his same experience in America . I think as an American you should vote for who you think will do the best JOB for you . And now that has come down to a well known and
admired World leader White Women , A old experienced and war hero white Man , A young less experienced Black Man who wants to change everything , so pick whoever you think will support you the most and not turn on you as this past President has . good luck with the hate mail against her , Its really helpful and shows me at least why BO is going to lose .

It’s interesting when people say that if Obama can’t win Penn, it shows that he can’t win the white vote.
Well let’s see some …
Obama one:
Colorado (72% white)
Iowa (95% white)
Kansas (81% white)
Minnisota (88% white)
Nebraska (85% white)
North Dakota (90% white)
Washington (77% white)
Wisconsin (86% white)
Wyoming (88% white)
By the way, he didn’t just win those states, he won them emphatically!

If you can’t stand the heat, change sides!

The premise is asinine. The Obama campaign strategy would have been different than the one that he had using the Democratic party primary rules. You can’t go in the past and say this or that would have happened because the whole playing field would have changed due to the new circumstances.

So let her join the Republicans…she’d fit right in

As far as I’m concerned if Obama wins, he’ll be remembered as one who stole the elections just as what happened with Kerry and Gore. Michigan and Florida have to have a voice. The whole world knows that he is blocking the re-vote and we heard on CNN some of the Legislators stating they would not allow a re-vote because they support Obama. If Obama wins, he will go down in history like Bush. BUT that’s neither of the candidates’ faults. That’s Howard Dean’s fault. Had he cut the delegates by a few to penalize those states like the Rebuplicans did, all of this would not be an issue.
Go Hillary, You’re probably the only woman for this job and that for centuries to come……

By Clinton (and “The Commander Guy”) reasoning, Nebraska and Maine are “crazy” and “undemocratic”- because they choose their electors in the general election the way the Dem party is choosing delegates in this primary. In those states, a candidate gets a portion of the state’s electoral votes for winning statewide- but they must then win the single electoral votes awarded by each Congressional District. This means that a candidate can’t win an entire state’s electoral votes by winning one big city in that state, making EVERY vote worth more- and thus, the method IS MORE democratic than the winner-take-all process that is currently in practice in the other 48 states. Sorry, folks, but this is more Clinton sour grapes.

I figure you guys aren’t serious, but don’t try to give the Clintons to us. Remember — we Republicans told you 16 years ago the Clintons were slime. We’ve never wavered in that opinion. Perhaps it is not the Clintons that need to come to the GOP, but those of you whose eyes have recently been opened TO the Clintons!
Frankly, I don’t see why they want to win the nomination. I really think it’s going to be a pretty easy go for McCain — war hero, Senate reformer with 20 years in the Senate — against either of the Democrats’ perfumed ponies. They’ll look like clouds of vapor standing alongside a person of McCain’s substance!

The question is, why is she still acting like she is a democrat. Afterall, she told us that she prefers McCain to Obama.

i was in caucus in NV and the obama supporters were loud and boisterous, most people were scared of them. Hillary won the original caucus, but did not win the most delegates. The caucus system is not democratic, if you have to work you can’t attend the caucus for 3 hours, if you are older it is hard as well. but if you are young and unemployed with nothing else to do,, that’s why obama wins caucuses….. Hillary would easily be winning if you had a nomination process like the GENERAL election.

Question for HRC supporters. I keep hearing that if she doesn’t win the nomination, you will vote for McCain. Let’s flip the issue- why should Obama supporters vote for Clinton over McCain?

Milos:
Take my word for it she has lost!
The Super Delegates are not foolish
enough to overturn the will of the
people!
Obama has won about 160 more delegates,
800,000 more votes, and about 10 more
states! Regarding Texas I reiterate if you win more delegates you win the state! Obama won 98 and Clinton 95,
case closed!

The Obama campaign cancel the NC debate. He cannot afford to allow voters take an inside look of him. The media is seeing what he really is, a phony.
This guy who dares to stop the revote of Florida and Michigan by suggesting to split the delegates is outrageous. Splitting the delegates mean you ignore the voters right to select a candidate. The voters turnout is recording breaking. He must be an idiot to do this and hope to win an election.
His claim of change is phony.
He can’t change CHICAGO POLITICS
He can’t change REZKO and the corruption ring.
He can’t change REV Wright and his church.
He claims to change WASHINGTON; for better or worse.

So the argument is: if we were Republicans, we would be ahead. Perhaps Hillary should change parties.
Seriously though, if the rules were different, Obama’s campaign would have reallocated resources. He is running a better organization.
The fact is that Obama’s campaign is 10′s of millions in the black, while Clinton’s is in the red.Yet another thing that HRC has in common with Bush.

I THINK BILL AND HILARY ARE SHOWING THE AMENRICANS HOW DEVISIVE THEY CAN BE. I AM SURE IF IT WAS OBAMA WHO WAS BEHIND CLINTON THEY WERE GOING TO BE CALLING FOR HIM TO QUIT.
PLEASE BILL DO THE HONORABLE THING ADVISE YOUR WIFE ENOUGH IS ENOUGH TIME TO PREPARE FOR NOVEMBER

Well, if we’re playing a game of *IF’S* here, consider this:
*IF* the Democratic process was not the way it is and instead were run like the Republican system, *THEN* by all means Obama’s campaign would have strategized differently. Their strategy focused on caucuses and on favorable targets; if in fact every state was “winner takes all” like in the Republican system, surely Obama would have spent more time and money in those states which Hillary won or was expected to win. But since the process is such that you each get a piece of the pie, and not the whole pie, then you strategize differently. Obama’s people did an awesome job, and he’s going to secure the nomination as a result.
So for Bill to say that *IF* the Democratic system was run like the Republican one then Hillary would be in the lead — well, that’s not true at all. It’s a possibility. But that argument fails to point out that, in fact, if that scenario were true, both campaigns would have strategized much differently and *none* of us know what the situation would be right now.