Clinton Campaign Debt Watch, Part II

The campaign still owes Penn more than 2,000,000 dollars which is a great nuisance now that they would prefer to fire him.
But if they do, Penn will show the MSM Clinton’s piles of dirty laundry and THAT would certainly close the last door for her. For the problem is: Penn knows everything about the Clintons.

And notice that this was a JANUARY event!
That really tells us something about what these many many debts are about. The campaign will never get out of that debt hole anymore; at Hillary’s official site the PA donations meter learns us that the online donations have slowed down enormously, in fact they’ve almost come to a standstill.
She has 5 ads up in PA, but no money to pay of them. It is a real disaster, believe me.

This is not unusual at all.
Where I live there was a nomination fight that ended, 15 months ago. The person who won still hasn’t paid off his debts. (people are beginning to be concerned) The campaigns have 18 months to pay their debts under election financing laws here, some of the strictest in the world, but they can apply for an extension. I dont know what election law says about time frames to pay off debts for US federal nomination contests, but I bet its more than two months.
A two month old debt for a nomination contest that is still ongoing is not unusual in the slightest.
The school is being petty and someone who works there backs Obama.

This debt is not unusual, not in the business world, not in the government world, not in the campagin world.
Does anyone think that the Clinton’s can borrow money or raise money after making 109 million in 8 years???
Honestly. This debt is a non issue and a ploy by someone who supports Obama.
She has spent too much money on her staff, and has not spent enough on TV advertising. That’s an issue. The fact that online donnors are still outpacing her for Obama is news.
A small two month old debt to a college campaus is not news. It’s not unusual.
Its petty.

Hencken is right. And I’m amazed that journalists do not seem to follow what’s going on the candidates’ official web sites. They should be fascinating material.
Hillary’s finances are going to be the Total Disaster this month.
For almost a week now there is this special PA donations meter up on the front page of Hillary’s web site. In all those days she raised a TOTAL of 341.000 dollars for ‘TV Airtime’in PA.
However she’s spending millions on PA TV ads, desperately trying to compete with Obama’s record spending in the state.
It is totally irresponsible behavior, and there’ll be an enormous backlash that could even make her lose her Senate seat in the next election. It’s sad, but true.

Well she’s going to raise a couple of million tonight in NY so she’ll have enough to pay for the ads.
Her win in Penn will also generate donations.
Remember something, Obama has to outspend her 4:1 in Texas and Ohio to lose ground. He’s outspending her 5:1 in Penn and she’s still winning.
That’s not good for Obama. McCain will have 85 million to spend in two months for the general election. Will obama have 400 million????
Doubtfull.
It’s a problem for Obama. People should be asking why he isn’t blowing her out of the water when he’s been outspending her 4:1 for months.

Well the guy in NH had empty office space, that is probably still empty that she paid to rent.
He wouldnt have made his bill payments anyways, if the story is true because his office space was empty. If you cant make your payments one month’s rent isn’t going to change that.
Like I said, its normal to take time to pay bill sin a campaign and to pay off debt.

For those of you who think this is normal business practice, you would NOT be able to sustain your business like this… as a small business manager, you wouldn’t be happy if your customers didn’t pay you on time, how would you pay your own bills? And if you don’t pay your own bills I doubt anyone would want to extend you credit especially when they ask for referrals!
Either way, how is it ok not to pay someone?

He’s outspending her in PA because he is looking at it for the general. …and in every state no matter whether she paid the same for tv ads or not… he gained significantly as the state got to know him better. When they really finally focused on the candidates he gained…significantly. As he is doing in PA again…she starts with the “first Lady for 8 years ” lead and then they realize what a real candidate looks like not just one with name recognition.
He has to fight for the nomination because she has been the “queen” of the party for 15 years and has every politician in the state looking at her as the old boss…”Do I lose my job or take a risk that a new boss is comning in?”…and feeling pressure to campaign for her. That’s hefty battle to fight.
but he’s winning…who knew someone could beat the old political machine.

A political campaign is not a small business, its a political campaign.
And businesses take two months to pay their bills all the time.
How many installments do you get to pay your tax bill??? 4 right.
It’s normal and it’s a campaign, very normal.
Campaigns generally use friendlies to provide what they need. There is someone at this school that is an Obama supporter, that’s all.
It’s not unusual.

I’d like to hear the facts on this one. Did the Clinton campaign ever receive an invoice? I used to pay contractor’s invoices and would get overbilled by many thousands of dollars. I would not pay until the bill was made accurate, a good management practice.

California Businessman Kyriakos Tsakopoulos Joins Barack Obama National Finance Team
He is a Member of the Board of Trustees of Columbia University, and also sits on the Board of Visitors of Columbia College. He is a Trustee of the California State University System, the largest university system in the world, and sits on the Board of the University of California, Davis M.I.N.D. Research Institute,

@s.b.
“If I were a super delegate, I’d consider how much money Obama has had to spend to break even with Clinton.”
First, Obama is leading in every aspect of the race, instead of ‘breaking even’.
As an example, in the end he came out of Texas having won more delegates, two weeks after a 20 point lead in the polls for Clinton. So that has been some might effective spending.
Second, what else is Obama supposed to do with the many millions donated to him than spending it on the promotion of his campaign? His supporters expect and encourage him to do just that. Or do you expect him to pay Penn’s bills with it since Hillary fails to do so?

Here’s a breakdown of expenses:
- The UC Davis Marching Band cost $500.
- Cleanup services after the rally cost $250.
- UC Davis Police officers didn’t come as cheap. The security bill is more than $5,600.
“I’m more than willing to be held accountable for it, because that’s the way life is,” Hillary Clinton said to a Montana crowd on Monday. There is no word whether she’ll apply that philosophy here, or if she even knows about the outstanding debt.
Her Sacramento campaign office closed its doors after Super Tuesday, and her campaign spokespeople didn’t return my calls.
UC Davis is planning to put its final bill out this week, and if the debt has not been settled within a month, they are going to turn the matter over to a collection agency.
It looks like the Elitist can not pay their bills again
Maybe she should send them a personal chrck you know out of their millions

This might not matter so much if it were the only lingering unpaid bill, but it’s not. The Clinton campaign is being mismanaged, plain and simple. Obama is out-fundraising her, managing his campaign better, and he has won (Hillary just hasn’t admitted it yet).

@sb
“How can he be spending THAT MUCH MONEY and not be blowing her out of the water???”
You might not have noticed, but he is doing just that. He has demolished the Clinton Machine. He has beaten the candidate who was supposed to be the Unbeatable and Entitled One when the primaries started. The Clintons still refuse to believe what actually has happened: a junior black Senator named Barack Hussein Obama has been able to succesfully barricade their return to White House… an AMAZING achievement that no one could have ever predicted.
And please check today’s polls again.

No s.b., we shouldn’t question why he isn’t blowing her out of the water….we already know the answer to that. See, facts are little pesky things to you hillary supporters that just keep getting in the way of your fairytale lies.
He has had an uphill battle from ‘day one’. He has managed to close the gap, from ‘day one’. Even though the man has a white mother he is still considered black. The clintons have done all they could to insure that everyone knows he’s the black candidate, including help from Geraldine ‘I’m not a racist’ Ferraro. (Someone please help me understand WHY she made the comment at all! The same comment she made 20 yrs ago)
He is not able to put her away because he is black. It is that simple. You hillary supporters would love to claim that she is somehow a better candidate. No, she isn’t. He just happens to have brown skin. And we all know that most whites simply won’t vote for him because of that simple fact. Another fact: racism is alive and well in the good ole usa.
So stop playing the stupid card, it doesn’t look good on you.

McCain might still impress some folks with his POW stories and analysis of Al Qaeda operations in some Miami home for the elderly, while enjoying a glass of lemonade.

Here’s how political campaigns work for those out there who don’t know and have never been involved in one, as evidenced by many comments on these threads.
A campaign will say have an event at a restaurant, like Clinton did several times in Nevada. This restaurant has to bill the campaign, under the law. They however are friendly to the campaign, ie a supporter. So, WHEN they get paid is not an issue to them ie a year later, or whatever is allowed under the law.
Obviously, some bills are paid right away like for advertising. They have to be paid for before they happen.
Polling however, as in Mark Penn’s firm, can probably wait a while. So out of the 8.7 million dollars of debt the vast majority of it is to friendlies i.e. they dont care when they get paid.
So you have non issues like one landlord saying he didnt get paid a months rent. It can happen. Bills gets lost in the shuffle. Someone forgets or thinks someone else was taking care of it ie paid through the local bank account not the central campaign.
Non issue really. Or a university that’s pro Obama saying that if they arent paid within a month, they will send their bill to collection and goes to the press about it. Notice the bill hasn’t gone to collections and we dont even know if the campaign was properly invoiced in the first place. etc.
These are so minor as to be laughable and to highlight them in the press is petty, well its an Obama campaign tactic.
The Liberal Party in Canada had a leadership contest last year. The combined debt of the candidates after the contest ended, was about ten million. That’s for a country with one tenth the population, so a comparable figure is 100 million in debt after the race was finished. Possibly much more as only about 2% of Canadians belong to political parties.
It’s at least a 100 million debt in comparison. The fact that Clinton is 8.7 million in debt to friendlies is a total non issue in a political campaign. It really is. It’s much ado about nothing and its a part of the same get out of the race garbage that has been perpetuated by the Obama campaign since IOWA.
The fact that he outspends her massively and is still tied, (yes FL and MI exist) is the real issue.

These two “unpaid bills”, are as simple as someone putting them in the friendly pile when they weren’t.
Hillary Clinton will have no problem whatsoever paying off her campaign debts in the required time under the law.

It is no surprise that hillary and her supporters are constantly bringing up MI and FL. That is their plan to twist reality in the minds of the voters.
Obama set this issue up from the start.
Obama is the candidate who made sure that MI and FL attempted to move their primaries ahead of everyone else because they wanted the media spotlight.
Obama is the reason MI and FL primaries were not counted.
Obama made the rules.
Obama, single handedly, twisted hillarys arm (and the other candidates) and forced her to sign the pledge.
It is all Obama’s fault.
lol you people are truly ridiculous.

I work for the UC system. Obviously, someone in the UC systems who is an Obama supporter is using this as a political and negative attack on Hillary. Shame on you. Trust me when I tell you there are bills in the UC system that do not get paid for years that are greater than this.

Why do Obama supporters even care? Their position is that he already won. Their position is that he still wins even with the FL and MI votes counted.
So lay back, ralax, Obama people, just count all the votes. What is your problem; why all the angst??

lol s.b. again….
Yes, Obama is the one who is disenfranchising the voters in MI and FL.
It is Obama’s fault. Explain why exactly is is his fault.
And tell me s.b. why is that miss inevitable didn’t open her mouth about MI and FL until she was losing???
If she thought they were being disenfranchised from ‘day one’, why didn’t she open her mouth when it was time to sign the pledge???
Oh….and if you give her FL, does she win?
Michigan is a different story in all of this, but all you hillary supporters have stated and continue to state that it was a “FAIR” primary.
Let’s change the rules when its convenient for our candidate….you would be crying foul from the rooftops if the situation were reversed.

What fools the people of Ohio were played for.
Yeah Hillary Clinton who sat on the board of walmart is for the little guy.
Yeah Hillary Clinton who in 2004 said on balance nafta is good for america is for the working man. She was speaking to a business group when she said it. Another problem with the Clintons is honesty.
Hillary pushed for nafta. She held meetings gathering support for nafta and in her book called nafta a great success.
It is time for the electorate in pennsylvania to call out the Clintons hypocracy.

Hillary is bad at management.
She had no clue her campaign was going broke. She rarely calls into headquaters. She is said to be aloof.
She let Mark Penn run the campaign. Gore fired Mark Penn in 2000. Not only is she aloof she picks advisors for loyalty over competence.
Hillary Clinton has never run anything in her life. She is an incompetent manager. She is not suited to be a cheif executive.

Will somebody PLEASE sound the bugle and end this thing. Hillary at this point is just making a total fool of herself.

@ s.b. Obama did not “burn” through 55 million his donors “gave” this amount, at the end of the month he had 30+ million in cash, $625000 of unpaid debts FOR THE MONTH, I know this is a stretch but check your facts before you post. He has to spend money in order to introduce himself to the people of these states, when these people get to know him hillary numbers go way down.
I she can’t budget millions of dollars how can expect her to manage billions, trillions of dollars. This is the height of hypocrisy.

The fact of the matter is that Obama and his advisers are not quite as smart as they think. There is nothing more sacred in this country as one man/woman one vote. By showing their rather intense disinterest in not allowing the Fla. and Mighigan delagations to be seated, team Obama had shown it isn’t really interested in the fudamental rights of our citizens to be heard. It’s yes we can only if you vote for me.
No wonder they don’t want a revote in these state, if Clinton wins Pa. by more the 5%, then a Florida followup could be a Obama disaster. It is a shame that the Clinton camp is soooo inept in exploiting this hyposcrisy. Where’s the outrage on this? Can somebody get Howard Dean a teaching job in Vermont, his leadership, his courage and vision, and the DNC have beeen a disaster on this. It is always easy to be a small man, Howard. True courage is surrmounting the fear of losing by standing foremost for principal, got that Senator Obama?

to S,
Jason got this dollar amount from their tax returns “dumped” late last friday.

What will be the national debt be if she gets in? Cripes will we have debt collectors knocking on the white House doors?
She can not manage her Campaign how in gods name will she manage a nation..and represent us world wide?
Boy are we in trouble if she gets in. Be afraid be very afraid if she wins .

DMR back to Jake’s earlier post on sexism. No one, and I mean no one, would be calling for Obama to leave the race or for Michigan and Florida not to count if the situation were reversed.
Obama’s campaign would be screaming racism from the rooftops.
They are tied. MI and FL exist. There is absolutely no reason for Clinton to leave the race when she is leading in most of the rest of the contests.
Absolutely no reason, other than sexism.

Bill,
why don’t you dip into the $800,000 you got from Uribe and the Colombians? You know for supporting the Free Trade Deal that your wife….SUPPOSEDLY opposes!
WINK WINK!

Lauren if he has soo many supporters, why is he about to be behind in the popular vote??
Just wondering.
He is also already well behind in the electoral college vote, which is all the support that matters.
Outspending her 4:1 and significantly behind in the electoral college vote is not good news for Obama and should be a great concern to super delegates.
Oh yeah, he has to disenfranchise 8% of the electorate to win too. Something else to consider.

S.B, Hillary herself said the election in Michigan didn’t count for anything.
Hillary in New Hampshire in October on NPR said this election in Michigan isn’t going to count for anything.
She didn’t change her tune until she needed them after their flawed elections.
Michigan and Florida were the only states where the GOP had a higher turnout.
Voters in Michigan stayed home or voted in the GOP primary.
Now Hillary is saying those voters independents who chose to vote in a meaningful primary in michigan now can’t vote in the new dem primary.
The cheif clinton surrogate making this argument is harold ickes who himself helped make the rules saying Michigan shouldn’t count.
The Clinton supporters in michigan originally moved it up so it would be so early the one with the name recognition would win. They also wanted it during winter break where the youth turnout would be reduced.
Moving Michigan up hurt Obama in New Hampshire.
In New Hampshire 9 of the 10 campuses were closed. You not only had the students away but you had all the support staff and professors away too.
Hillary would have lost New Hampshire if those campuses had been in session.

Here is something to ponder. Do they wealthy remember what it is truly like to struggle with bill paying…Even if they were poor in the past? Some have said in the beginning it reminds them but as time goes by the memory fades.
they collect higher debts they buy more expensive toy or what they would call luxuriousness, boats, villas, $1000.00 toilets private jets. Do they really understand people have to juggle money around just to pay bills? GOD help them when there car breaks down there goes an unexpected expense.

sure s.b. just keep saying its Obama’s fault and the working class will believe you. They might even vote for hillary. lol
And I believe you’re wrong….if Obama was behind at this point, everyone would be telling him to fold so they could unite behind hillary. People have already been calling for him to fold, even though he’s in the lead. So how’s that for fairness?!
S, the clintons took in $109 million since leaving office in 2001. But I betcha that $109 million wasn’t on your back, correcto??
And the amount given to ‘charity’ was to their own clinton charity….how ’bout THAT for charity!

OH FACTS – WHERE ARE YOU HIDING … NOT AT ABC! — FROM CBS — “UC Davis is planning to put its final bill out this week, and if the debt has not been settled within a month, they are going to turn the matter over to a collection agency. ”
So for a mid-Jan event, the final bill is going out – as per their own process – this week, and the campaign has until May 12 to pay it. This is not unpaid debt – it’s a bill that’s coming due.
By that standard, everyone here has unpaid debt which will be sent to the collections agency — (unless you’ve paid your credit cards/mortgages/phone/etc into next month!!)

Her campaign is the firs thing Hillary has ever managed in her life…and she managed to run it into debt!
Hillary, we can’t afford a “train on the job” candidate in this economy!

Did you guys check out how tired and run-down Hillary looked yesterday in the hearings?
I get the feeling that is how she’ll look when she picks up the phone at 3:00 AM! NOT VERY REASSURING!

How is it Obama’s fault if the delegates from Fla and Mi do not get counted. These states had 18 months to get their act together, called Dean’s bluff and lost. BOTH CANDIDATES agreed not to campaign those states and shady Hillary stuck her nose in there and did it anyway. Even with Obama taking his name off the Mi ballot. He has never said do not count the votes let’s find a fair way is what he said. Lets keep the facts in context and by the Obama is gaining on Clinton in Pa.

jj posted:
“You can tell alot about what kind of Candidate they are based on how they run their campaign.”
Answer, and what about GW? He ran two ball buster campaigns agaisnt heavy weight Dems.

MI and FL will go republican if they are not seated, as is.
They know who doesnt want their votes to count.
They dont need to be told anything by the Obama campaign, the Clinton campaign or Howard Dean.
They know. If Obama wins the nomination by not counting 8% of the voters he cannot win a general election.
Democrats either want to win the white house or they don’t.
MI and FL need to be counted.

countallthevotes:
Actually, what sunk Kerry were the swiftboat ads. Bush had nothing to do with it.
By the way, I love Bush…inspite of everything that has gone bad with the economy and the war…I cheered for him and refuse to place ALL the blame on him.

jj,
Swiftboats did not sink Kerry; Kerry sunk Kerry. That should have been a nobrainer. During all the hoopla do you recall that strange photo of him in the stretchy bike suit and head gear with the very expensive bike?? He just did not have a clue in the end of how he was coming across.
Kerry sunk Kerry. Time willl tell what kind of a president GW really was.

If I charged something on my credit card in January and hadn’t made a payment by Apil or May, there would be consequences. UC Davis can probably afford this better then some of the small businesses that her campaign has stiffed, but why should they. Of the three campaigns, hers is the only one that has left this mess wherever they go. Infighting, staff fired, irresponsible about debts, lies on end. . . This is not the picture of a person who I want representing my country to the world.

Clinton’s plan for the economy!
Creating jobs — for debt collectors!
Obama 2008 — Yes, WE CAN!!!

Hillary is doing well in pa and inside state polls show her doing pretty good in NC among white females yard signs are poping up all over women unite and there are a lot of women who are voting for her in the next 10 states so I can’t wait to see how this thing plays out she’ll have enough money Kerry had to morg. his house to win it is unreal that Obama is spending $300.000 aday on ads in Pa. And people are sick of ads already.

OKAY WOMEN! GATHER AROUND! HERE THIS CLEARLY!
Any woman who claims to be voting for Hillary simply because she is a woman is making a big mistake!
She is responsible for thousands of American soldiers dying when she wrecklessly voted for the Iraq War.
To reward her by giving her a single vote is a injustice to the American families that have to bury their children.
She is responsible for a flawed NAFTA agreement that caused the American people thousands and thousands of jobs.
To reward her by giving her a single vote would be a slap in the face to all those American workers who struggled to
put food on the table for their families and by no fault of theirs were robbed of their jobs.
Hillary Rodham’s lack of sound judgment has devestated this country!
HOW CAN ANYONE THINK OF VOTING FOR HER SIMPLY BECAUSE SHE IS A WOMAN!
That would be such an injustice!

Jake
At the hearing, Obama acted like a republican. He’s trying to move toward the right now and his poor followers are being left behind without a clue that they’re being abandoned.
Such followers?

Holy Cow!!!
First Hillary was shafting a food bank, then she was sticking to small businesses and now she’s short changing a school? Let’s now forget about the poor campaign workers with their unpaid health insurance bills.
Where will this end?
I don’t know people, but it sounds like Hillary may be in over her head here. Hate to say it, but her campaign is outta control.

Wish I had thought of this, from a great blog post:
“In a move that’s sure to be seen as controversial, Hillary has contacted the NCAA Board of Directors to argue that Memphis is actually better qualified to be National Champion.
Ms. Clinton stated that Memphis, while losing the game, had actually shown more ability to act like a National Champion on Day One. She argued that Memphis had passed every test during the game, including scoring more points than Kansas for 38 minutes. For 38 minutes they had shown the experience necessary to be National Champion. ‘Just because some team comes along in the last minute and scores more points than the other guy doesn’t mean they’re necessarily able to be National Champion on Day One.’”
Obama 2008 — Yes, WE CAN!!!

Karen you totaly nailed that one. I hope you are not the only one. Democrats unite! This will be over soon and will be for the best.

Did the University of California at Davis actually put out a statement on this? Or is this report from a “journalist” that supports Obama? It would seem unseemly for any university to come out with this type of information. I’m tired of all this nit-picking of Hillary’s campaign. Talk about real issues there are plenty of them to go around, the economy, the war, health insurance, take your pick.