Clinton Chief Strategist Pushed Out
ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos, Jake Tapper and Eloise Harper Report: Mark Penn has been pushed out as chief strategist of Sen. Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign after his work on a Colombian free-trade agreement that Clinton opposes, sources tell ABC News.
Sources said that the Clintons were angry to learn about Penn’s work, especially because they had been told that Penn had recused himself from controversial clients and would restrict his private work.
Though Clinton campaign manager Maggie Williams said, "After the events of the last few days, Mark Penn has asked to give up his role as chief strategist of the Clinton campaign," sources told ABC News Penn was pushed.
The Wall Street Journal first reported on Friday that Penn, who also is chief executive of the lobbying and public relations firm Burson-Marsteller Worldwide, had been hired by the Colombian government to help secure a trade deal.
On Saturday, the Colombian government said it was firing Penn’s firm after he said through the Clinton campaign that his consultations with Colombian officials were "an error in judgment that will not be repeated, and I am sorry for it."
Clinton spoke about her opposition to the Colombia trade deal last week in her speech to the AFL-CIO in Philadelphia, and on Saturday seven labor unions that are part of the "Change to Win" coalition called for Clinton to fire Penn.
"The Penn situation — and the lack of action by you — raises serious questions about the veracity of your claims of what you would do should you become president," the unions said in a statement released Saturday.
Penn’s firm — Penn, Schoen and Berland Associates, Inc. — will remain on board providing polling and advice to the campaign, though he will no longer serve as the chief strategist, Williams said. Instead, Geoff Garin and Howard Wolfson will head up the message for the campaign.
The Colombia trade controversy was not the first case in which a client of Penn’s irritated the Clinton campaign.
The work a Burson Marsteller subsidiary did for controversial war contractor Blackwater, and Penn’s work for the union-busting corporation Cintas were other instances in which the Clinton campaign didn’t appreciate having its name associated with Penn clients.
But it was a bridge too far for Penn when Sen. Hillary Clinton heard the news that Penn had met with the Colombians on the trade deal.
Penn also was regarded by many in the campaign as too self-serving, particularly after a Los Angeles Times profile of the campaign written after her horrible month of February, when Penn was quoted saying that he had "no direct authority in the campaign," describing himself as merely "an outside message advisor with no campaign staff reporting to me."
"I have had no say or involvement in four key areas — the financial budget and resource allocation, political or organizational sides," he reportedly said. "Those were the responsibility of Patti Solis Doyle, Harold Ickes and Mike Henry, and they met separately on all matters relating to those areas."
That eyebrow-raising display of running from failure was contradicted by senior staffers such as Wolfson, who told the newspaper that Penn had top responsibility for strategy and message.
Then there was this infamous exchange with Clinton consigliere Ickes from a recent Washington Post profile of the campaign:
Ickes to Penn: "[Expletive] you!"
Penn to Ickes: "[Expletive] you!"
Ickes to Penn: "[Expletive] you!"
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And it won’t make a bit of difference. This is just a smoke screen to have the press focus on this, instead of questionable tax records that were released on Friday. Smart move but it won’t make a bit of difference. People have been waiting for those records forever, and some fat *** pig stepping aside won’t make them focus on him instead of questionable business dealings and practices.
Posted by: HRC(Harold Rowland C.) | April 6, 2008, 6:46 pm 6:46 pm
The Clinton campaign continues to implode.
Posted by: Kristen | April 6, 2008, 6:46 pm 6:46 pm
The tax records are a NO ISSUE. They gave an enormous amount to charity compared to OBAMA who gave less of a percentage than my grandmom living on social security except for last year where he wanted “to look good.”
HILLARY 2008. NO OBAMA
Posted by: mark | April 6, 2008, 6:49 pm 6:49 pm
That is terrible news for Hillary!
Now she will have to pay him!
Posted by: maxsdadeo | April 6, 2008, 6:49 pm 6:49 pm
Does she still have to pay him the 2.5 million she owes him? You can’t tell me that the campaign didn’t know he was working for the Columbian government on the trade deal. They knew.
Posted by: Carolyn Grace | April 6, 2008, 6:49 pm 6:49 pm
Wow. Hillary’s campaign is a total mess.
The Clintons are hustlers and it’s been catching up with them.
Posted by: Ryan | April 6, 2008, 6:49 pm 6:49 pm
Campaigns have their ups and downs. This is not an implosion. The media could find very little wrong with the Clintons’ tax records and they gave them years and years. The Clintons gave $10 million dollars to charity. Why isn’t that publicized?
Posted by: raf | April 6, 2008, 6:50 pm 6:50 pm
HRC needs to “kiss the ring (Obama’s ring)” like McCain did in 2000 (Mac kissed W’s ring). I bet the Clinton’s made money on that “Colombian” trade deal. BLoggers dig deep on this.
Posted by: jgm | April 6, 2008, 6:51 pm 6:51 pm
The real question that needs to be asked is weather or not Clinton opposed the trade deal Before or After her run for the white house.
Posted by: Susan | April 6, 2008, 6:52 pm 6:52 pm
I wonder how they will spin this critical mass implosion
Posted by: Tony | April 6, 2008, 6:53 pm 6:53 pm
I highly doubt this was news to Hillary. Everything is business with her, she stands for nothing.
Posted by: John Grever | April 6, 2008, 6:53 pm 6:53 pm
The only charities they contributed to were there own. Sounds like typical self serving style!!
Posted by: John | April 6, 2008, 6:53 pm 6:53 pm
Is this karl rove’s fault?
Posted by: mike | April 6, 2008, 6:53 pm 6:53 pm
Tick Tick Tick Tick Tick
Clinton’s Campaign is about to explode. When your Chief strategist is stepping down because of unetchical practices, you really have to wonder about the strategies that he has set forward throughout the whole campaign.
Posted by: Ron | April 6, 2008, 6:54 pm 6:54 pm
To some of you, it wouldn’t matter if she was caught molesting children, you would support her anyway. Talk about blind faith.
Posted by: SB | April 6, 2008, 6:54 pm 6:54 pm
Just goes to show you that without Obama in the race, none of this would ever be reported at all by the liberal press….they have chosen their lot and they need to destroy Clinton, Inc. to allow the slightly more socialist senator to rise to prominence.
Posted by: William R. Smith | April 6, 2008, 6:54 pm 6:54 pm
Before you gush all over the Clintons for their donations to CHARITY (?) take a closer look! More than haLf of the donation is to their own organization. They are such hypocrites.
Posted by: Tom Edwards | April 6, 2008, 6:54 pm 6:54 pm
Mark Penn is finally exposed as the cynical huckster that he is. It was no accident that he courted Columbia’s business. He already figured out that H. Clinton was a lost cause.
How does it feel Hillary to have your chief strategist dump you? You made a mistake in choosing him.
Blumenthal is gone too.
Next, maybe she will dump Sandy Berger.
Posted by: brian | April 6, 2008, 6:54 pm 6:54 pm
The Clinton’s did give 10 million to charity. Most of it to……. the Clinton Foundation of which only half has been used. The other half just sits there waiting for their charity Needs. These people are a joke. Love that they released then at 4pm on Friday no less. They aren’t afraid of anything and if this were so crystal clean why did it take months to get the data. Oh yeah thats right it was in a file drawer somewhere and they couldn’t find them. They are too much! Can’t wait to see them fade into the sunset forever!! Loving it!
Posted by: No Way | April 6, 2008, 6:55 pm 6:55 pm
Hey raf – most of that $10 million went to Clinton’s own foundation.
PS: how are things down at HRC HQ? The fattest rat just jumped ship. Wolfson and his ugly sweaters must be next.
Posted by: Mark D. | April 6, 2008, 6:55 pm 6:55 pm
The Clinton’s did give 10 million to charity. Most of it to……. the Clinton Foundation of which only half has been used. The other half just sits there waiting for their charity Needs. These people are a joke. Love that they released then at 4pm on Friday no less. They aren’t afraid of anything and if this were so crystal clean why did it take months to get the data. Oh yeah thats right it was in a file drawer somewhere and they couldn’t find them. They are too much! Can’t wait to see them fade into the sunset forever!! Loving it!
Posted by: No Way | April 6, 2008, 6:55 pm 6:55 pm
raf Campaigns have their ups and downs. This is not an implosion. The media could find very little wrong with the Clintons’ tax records and they gave them years and years. The Clintons gave $10 million dollars to charity. Why isn’t that publicized?
it is because they gave it back to them selfs the clinton foundation, any other question.
Posted by: grm | April 6, 2008, 6:55 pm 6:55 pm
Will somebody find out the organizations who paid Clinton so much money and their connection to Dubai? How can you have a potential President beholden to Dubai, which advocates the destruction of Israel?
Posted by: vsaijwani | April 6, 2008, 6:55 pm 6:55 pm
…and the Clinton tag-team still think they have a chance?
If they can’t run their own campaign, what chance the rest of the country?
How many people now have they fired or “resigned”!!!
Come on Hillary, the joke is not funny anymore. Quit while you have some dignity still! Even if you keep telling lies, quit now and save what little more you have left to pay your reported way over due bills.
Posted by: Sharon K | April 6, 2008, 6:55 pm 6:55 pm
$10 million to charity?
How nice of them to donate most of it to their OWN charity.
Wouldn’t it be great if we all had our own foundation that we could just ‘donate to’?
Water is rushing into the Clinton campaign and it will capsize in just a few weeks.
Posted by: Brett | April 6, 2008, 6:55 pm 6:55 pm
Oh PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE…just keep the quarreling and sniping up for another 5 months because I am LOVING every delicious minute of it.
McCain 2008!
Posted by: KKC | April 6, 2008, 6:55 pm 6:55 pm
Here is why the charity is not publicized: The Clintons paid $33.8 million in federal taxes and claimed deductions for $10.2 million in charitable contributions. The contributions went to a family foundation run by the Clintons that has given away only about half of the money they put into it, and most of that was last year, after Mrs. Clinton declared her candidacy.
Posted by: Shaan | April 6, 2008, 6:55 pm 6:55 pm
Hillary is CEO of her Campaign it speaks volumes to her incompetence as the Chief Executive.
As you read this HRC is cancelling checks to Mark Penn since he is ‘dead to her.’
Posted by: Your Conscience | April 6, 2008, 6:56 pm 6:56 pm
Mark Penn needs to be GONE PERIOD. It looks like he will STILL be part of the Hillary campaign but will have another “title”.
He NEEDS to go.
Posted by: Maritza | April 6, 2008, 6:56 pm 6:56 pm
The Clinton’s “charity” is just a tax dodge. You will note that the “Clinton Foundation” did not spend a dime until after she announced her candidacy. And what exactly does “the Clinton Foundation” do? What kind of “charity” does it support?
Posted by: Mick Smith | April 6, 2008, 6:56 pm 6:56 pm
Too little to late. The damage has been done.
Posted by: Bob, DC | April 6, 2008, 6:56 pm 6:56 pm
This was just an excuse not to have to publicly fire him. This was a long time coming. It’s quite something to have to announce it openly.
Posted by: Whitneymuse | April 6, 2008, 6:56 pm 6:56 pm
The so called “Charity” they gave 95% of their money to was the “Clinton Foundation”. Moving the cash from the right pocket to the left pocket is a tax dodge, not charity.
Posted by: Charity | April 6, 2008, 6:56 pm 6:56 pm
The money the Clintons gave to charity was their own charity: Bill Clinton’s Foundation. And where is their 2007 return? oh yeah, she thinks she’s going to be the nominanee so they filed an extension, and will probably file another one before August, so no one will get to see it until AFTER the election. A little sneaky if you ask me.
Posted by: Elaine | April 6, 2008, 6:57 pm 6:57 pm
For someone who was leading in all polls just a year ago, the inevitable candidate and her campaign sure have imploded. Penn was a mess, and sleazy. That Mrs. Clinton chose him to run her campaign is another example of her terrible judgment.
Posted by: southamco | April 6, 2008, 6:57 pm 6:57 pm
Giving to one’s charities is fine, EXCEPT, that they where all sponsered Charities of the CLINTONS!!!!!!!!!!!
Check it out!
Posted by: Chuck | April 6, 2008, 6:57 pm 6:57 pm
Your Conscience-Happy day. Jumping ship? Texas said no Obama. Ohio said no Obama. RI said no Obama. Wonder what PA will say next? Looks like BO peaked too soon. Pass the deodorant BO is finished.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | April 6, 2008, 6:57 pm 6:57 pm
It really was as poorly run a campaign as I’ve ever seen. This is really just the last stages before the end becomes official. This nomination was effectively decided after Texas/Ohio anyway as Clinton has no realistic shot at catching Obama in pledged delegates.
Posted by: Texas Voter | April 6, 2008, 6:58 pm 6:58 pm
Penn is just an employee. He is just in charge of the the overall strategy of HRC’s campaign. He gets paid millions for his work. Just because he is quitting/getting fired in the home stretch of a campaign doesn’t mean anything. Employees come and go.
No problemo.
Posted by: Harry Tuttle | April 6, 2008, 6:58 pm 6:58 pm
Mark Penn the lobbyist is stepping down?
How do you get below a gutter?
Posted by: Your Conscience | April 6, 2008, 6:58 pm 6:58 pm
This guy should have left a long time ago. As “chief strategist,” he drove Hillary’s campaign into the ditch with one miscalculation after another. I’m an Obama supporter, but I harbor no illusions that the mismanagement of HRC’s campaign has not contributed to Obama’s success. I only hope it’s too late for the survivors to get the HRC bus out of the ditch!
Posted by: jac13 | April 6, 2008, 6:58 pm 6:58 pm
The $10 million the Clintons’ donated to charity was mostly to “Clinton Fondations.” So they gave themselves $10 million and called in charity.
Posted by: mac | April 6, 2008, 6:58 pm 6:58 pm
The $10 million the Clintons’ donated to charity was mostly to “Clinton Fondations.” So they gave themselves $10 million and called in charity.
Posted by: mac | April 6, 2008, 6:59 pm 6:59 pm
When Hillary met Sir Edmund Hillary…..
My parents named me after you 7 years before you became a household name.
And I went to a mountain top too when I met with MLK in 1962.
It’s congenital…she can’t tell the truth because she is a sociopath!!
Posted by: chris | April 6, 2008, 6:59 pm 6:59 pm
Wait till the Rezko story implodes on Obama by late May. Maybe someone else will be leaving his camp. Anyone want to guess?
Posted by: Kenny from CT. | April 6, 2008, 6:59 pm 6:59 pm
Didn’t the Clinton’s give all that “charitable” money to the Clinton Foundation? Amazing how people can turn things around to suit their own needs. How about giving to a real charity, Hillary. Marc Rich already gave enough for that one.
Posted by: Allen | April 6, 2008, 6:59 pm 6:59 pm
The reason that I like Senator Obama is because he chosen not to participate in dirty politics. If this was him linked a working lobbyist for the Columbian Goverment the HILLARY CAMPAIGN WILL TRY TO DESTROY HIM.
Jay
Mobile, Al
Posted by: j.T. goodman | April 6, 2008, 6:59 pm 6:59 pm
Sure…there are no problems with Hillary’s taxes unless you have a problem with the fact that her 10 million dollar donation went to the Clinton’s own fundraiser and that there are 18 million dollars still unaccounted for.
Posted by: Liz | April 6, 2008, 6:59 pm 6:59 pm
The penn-ultimate step; now it is time for Hillary to go, too.
Posted by: MARTIN EDWIN "MICK" ANDERSEN | April 6, 2008, 7:00 pm 7:00 pm
It’s soft and cuddly week for Hillary.Did anybody fall for her award winning performance last week honoring Martin LK? I almost jumped up and started to clap when she said she threw her bag against the wall and felt that her whole life had been drained from her body. What drivel. I guess we have to wait a week or so before someone at the school tells us she was actualy sucking soda at the time. This woman is the best actress I have seen in years. I believed her about dodging bullets in Bosnia. I believed her when she said Chelsea was a block away from the World trade Center when in fact she was upstate at home. I think I will stop believing Hillary DUH!
Posted by: twenty2twenty | April 6, 2008, 7:00 pm 7:00 pm
Hey BRIAN, do you mean Sandy Burglar ? I think she might need to keep him around in case she needs something stolen from the Archives.
Posted by: No Way | April 6, 2008, 7:00 pm 7:00 pm
Corrupt Clintons, corrupt staff….
Posted by: Jay | April 6, 2008, 7:00 pm 7:00 pm
The reason that I like Senator Obama is because he chosen not to participate in dirty politics. If this was him linked a working lobbyist for the Columbian Goverment the HILLARY CAMPAIGN WILL TRY TO DESTROY HIM.
Jay
Mobile, Al
Posted by: j.T. goodman | April 6, 2008, 7:00 pm 7:00 pm
The reason that I like Senator Obama is because he chosen not to participate in dirty politics. If this was him linked a working lobbyist for the Columbian Goverment the HILLARY CAMPAIGN WILL TRY TO DESTROY HIM.
Jay , Al
Posted by: j.T. goodman | April 6, 2008, 7:01 pm 7:01 pm
Hillary threw Mark under the bus
Posted by: lauren | April 6, 2008, 7:01 pm 7:01 pm
Actually, only about $500K out of $10+ mil had gone to charities other than the Clinton foundation. Yes, hypocrites they are.
Posted by: Boo | April 6, 2008, 7:01 pm 7:01 pm
Did you know that Michele Obama over a 7 year period at her job with the hospital she works for, would make more money than Hillary did for U.S. Senator? Do you not think if Obama becomes president he would not eventually become more wealthy than he is now? The Clinton’s have disclosed personal records for 30 years. Don’t you think they know people are watching.
Posted by: vickey | April 6, 2008, 7:01 pm 7:01 pm
Did you know that Michele Obama over a 7 year period at her job with the hospital she works for, would make more money than Hillary did for U.S. Senator? Do you not think if Obama becomes president he would not eventually become more wealthy than he is now? The Clinton’s have disclosed personal records for 30 years. Don’t you think they know people are watching.
Posted by: vickey | April 6, 2008, 7:02 pm 7:02 pm
Uh, the only charity the Clinton’s gave to was The Clinton Foundation…of which Bill and Hillary get a healthy “management fee.” Come on, people, there is never a raw moment of goodness from these people. When will you learn?
Posted by: archiguy42 | April 6, 2008, 7:02 pm 7:02 pm
Obama-$22,500 donation to Reverend Wright. Yep. You pay for the bigot you deserve.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | April 6, 2008, 7:02 pm 7:02 pm
She has nothing under control, our Hillary.
She wouldn’t even be able to be the manager of a local supermarket. I
Her campaign is, by any standard, a complete failure.
She’s a parody of a presidential candidate.
Posted by: gregory | April 6, 2008, 7:02 pm 7:02 pm
Again – the clintons will say ANYTHING to win. Do ANYTHING to win. And toss aside anyone who gets in their way. They believe in MONEY and POWER only. And their poor little daughter. She is an adult – working on wall street. Can bash the sitting president, but WON’T TALK TO THE PRESS. Come on now. When will this clinton con game end…
Posted by: VinnieB | April 6, 2008, 7:02 pm 7:02 pm
All their 2006 charitable donations went to their own foundation, how self-serving.
I want to know what political favors get doled out to the Chinese, Dubai investors and god knows who else in exchange for donating to the Clinton presidential library. Don’t forget it’s how they sold off pardons to Mark Rich.
Posted by: katmido302 | April 6, 2008, 7:03 pm 7:03 pm
Finally, she’s gotten rid of that large leach. Mark Penn has made millions off a flagging campaign. He’s been a horrible strategist. Why Mrs.Clinton chose to keep Penn this long is another example of her bad judgment. She has no integrity and is unqualified to be President. Obama and McCain will make a much more interesting presidential election.
Posted by: Dale, NY | April 6, 2008, 7:03 pm 7:03 pm
lauren-How many times did Obama throw his own grandmother under the bus? Answer: Twice.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | April 6, 2008, 7:03 pm 7:03 pm
The Obama campaign should imediately hire Mark Penn. He will have a mother load of dirt on Hillary and Bill.
Posted by: Bob, DC | April 6, 2008, 7:04 pm 7:04 pm
Another rat scrams from the sinking scum-bucket’s ship… this is too much fun!!!!!
Posted by: LMARINKE | April 6, 2008, 7:04 pm 7:04 pm
“The Penn situation — and the lack of action by you — raises serious questions about the veracity of your claims of what you would do should you become President,” the unions said in a statement released Saturday.
I hope now the Unions see who Hillary really is Say anything mean nothing.
Posted by: lauren | April 6, 2008, 7:04 pm 7:04 pm
I think that Mrs. Clinton has only one major problem.That she is a female and I don’t think we should hold that against her. If she can do the job lets get her in
Posted by: millie | April 6, 2008, 7:04 pm 7:04 pm
Yesiree folks, we now have liberal, ultra-liberal, and marxist running for POTUS. What a choice the media gave us. Now it’s up to the sheeple to doom themselves with this great(?) selection.
How pathetic.
Posted by: JOG | April 6, 2008, 7:04 pm 7:04 pm
Your Conscience – News Alert – OBAMA WON THE MOST DELEGATES IN TEXAS. Exactly. The Obama supporters overthrew the will of the people. Good point.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | April 6, 2008, 7:05 pm 7:05 pm
this is a good news for HRC campaign.
Mark Penn was not doing a good job,Clinton old times like Carville and Bagela were staying away because of Penn
Posted by: akg | April 6, 2008, 7:05 pm 7:05 pm
Dogsoldier: Old news. Move along. You want us to start talking about the missing White House furniture again?
Posted by: Allen | April 6, 2008, 7:05 pm 7:05 pm
Dogsoldier: Old news. Move along. You want us to start talking about the missing White House furniture again?
Posted by: Allen | April 6, 2008, 7:06 pm 7:06 pm
You can’t make this stuff up.
This HAS to be the WORST campaign ever!
This is the stuff of “Commander and Chief?” She can’t run a campaign in the primary… and some think she will be stronger in the General election?
She is a JOKE. A total JOKE.
Posted by: Stephen | April 6, 2008, 7:06 pm 7:06 pm
WestCoastMessanger, Dogsoldier, Jgaw, Jay, MattOhio, et al all HillLovers, lack of judgement has knocked again at the door of Hill’s campaign. The Hill’s Campaign is desparate, that is not good news for Hill the Bosnian General specializing in snipers brigade. Let us stpo America of lobbysts and special interest on K street and get America back to Americans. God bless America and God bless Obama. OBNAMA08.
Posted by: BKMC | April 6, 2008, 7:06 pm 7:06 pm
well i guess i was wrong .
Penn will continue to provide polling information to the campaign, but will no longer serve as the chief strategist. Instead, Geoff Garin and Howard Wolfson will head up the message for the campaign.
she didnt throw him under the buse she just had him switch seats.
Posted by: lauren | April 6, 2008, 7:06 pm 7:06 pm
What about the $2.5M he is owed by the Clinton campaign? What delicious problem!
Posted by: Bob, DC | April 6, 2008, 7:06 pm 7:06 pm
hillary should just step down as well, do us all a huge favor, and go AWAY!!!
Posted by: jacobs | April 6, 2008, 7:07 pm 7:07 pm
1) Penn disserved Hillary with a poorly run campaign, 2) The Clintons only donated money to their own foundation – how self serving is that (and it was all tax deductible as well of course) 3) Hillary won’t quit until the Convention refuses to appoint her Queen and 4) Obama will be beaten in an unprecedented landslide come November.
Posted by: Dennis in Ohio | April 6, 2008, 7:07 pm 7:07 pm
The problem is not Penn. The problem is the candidate
Posted by: John Rawlings | April 6, 2008, 7:07 pm 7:07 pm
What a horrible and costly lack of judgment to hire Mark Penn in the first place.
It took Hillary, who has no talent for management whatsoever, WAY too long to fire him.
And now – it’s too late. Maximum damage done.
Posted by: Henda | April 6, 2008, 7:08 pm 7:08 pm
Good God you people are nuts! You have no Idea what you are talking about. The tax records are on line The reports made to the IRS are on line. They gave the Money to the Clinton Family Foundation. Not to the Clinton Foundation. Not to the William Jefferson Clinton Foundation. Or the 100 or so other foundations with Clinton in the name.
Get your facts straight.
Obama08
Posted by: Thinking | April 6, 2008, 7:08 pm 7:08 pm
CLINTON LOSES PENN!!!
A harbinger of things to come?
Posted by: H. Aslan Aslani-Far | April 6, 2008, 7:08 pm 7:08 pm
Dale,
I agree. This morning on the Chris Matthews show panelist member Gloria Boucer of CNN said, ‘the difference between this years election match-up as apposed to past elections, is that for the time the election will have two genuine nice guys; Obama and McCain.’ She’s right.
Posted by: Hadassah | April 6, 2008, 7:08 pm 7:08 pm
Wait til Penn tries to collect the millions owed him and his firm. LOL THAT will be great to see.
The “charity” the Clintons donated to is their own tax-free foundation, and more than half the money “donated” is still in the bank there, having never been given away. Charity begins at home, I guess. In this case, the address is in Chappaqua, NY
Posted by: clyde | April 6, 2008, 7:08 pm 7:08 pm
It’s simply mindboggling that ANYONE could actually support this evil woman.
What a fraud. Wake up,folks!
Posted by: TommyJack | April 6, 2008, 7:08 pm 7:08 pm
Why you OBAMA supporters not asking OBAMA to reject his pastor and church?
Are you people also followers of Black Liberation Theology?
Hillary did the correct. She atleast fired someone who went against her position. Thank you Hillary
Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community … Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love.
To me this sounds like teachings of Osama
Posted by: GS | April 6, 2008, 7:08 pm 7:08 pm
Good-bye and Good-luck Hillary
Go Habs!!
Posted by: lounge-act | April 6, 2008, 7:09 pm 7:09 pm
Glad that Rev Wright is still on board the Obama campaign as advisor of hate and anti-americian rhetoric! Well if he goes Michelle can take over, there are always someone who hates american on that campaign!
Posted by: russell | April 6, 2008, 7:09 pm 7:09 pm
Twenty,
I did nt fall for that book bag thrown against the wall performance either. Somebody has to go back in the archives and see what comments and speeches Hill made regarding Dr. King’s assasination. DId she show as much emotion then? And if not, why not? Did she mention throwing her book bag across her dorm room in utter desolation? I don’t recall her saying that before. Surely in her 8 years as first lady, she must’ve made some comment about it or her 8 years as first lady of Arkansas. Now, for the 40th anniversary of a sad occasion, she gets all worked up? If it is so sad in 2008 it must have been more sad and more fresh in 1998.
Posted by: katmido302 | April 6, 2008, 7:10 pm 7:10 pm
This speaks to Clinton’s management skills. She doesn’t fully vet her stories (in fact, she willfully embelishes) and she doesn’t fully vet her staff.
Posted by: Patrick | April 6, 2008, 7:10 pm 7:10 pm
Yeah, Sen. Obama claims he is running some noble campaign.. then bashes John McCain saying he wants to stay in Iraq 100 years, when he obviously didn’t say that.
But, to his defense, maybe he didn’t hear it… just like he didn’t hear his pastor screaming racial nonsense from the pulpit for 20 years.
The Republicans and moderates are going to clobber him in November. Gotta love it when Democrats SHOULD in theory have a cakewalk to the White House and screw it up. lol
Posted by: Huh | April 6, 2008, 7:10 pm 7:10 pm
Hillary’s campaign is totally imploding. The end is near. Thank God!
Posted by: Bob, DC | April 6, 2008, 7:10 pm 7:10 pm
She didn’t become outraged until the unions basically started threatening her. As a union, why would you continue to support someone who acted that way anyway.
I still don’t understand who is supporting the Clintons after everything we’ve seen this primary season.
Posted by: JW | April 6, 2008, 7:11 pm 7:11 pm
This so typical of Clinton. Hire Penn who supports Columbia trade agreement and then say she is against. Hire Ickes who helped orchestrate the MI and FL policy and then argue against it. This is leadership? I don’t think so.
Posted by: Jim B | April 6, 2008, 7:11 pm 7:11 pm
The Clinton campaign continues their downward spiral. The end is near.
Posted by: Chuck | April 6, 2008, 7:12 pm 7:12 pm
Hey rats. It’s time to jump off this ship.
Posted by: Jim B | April 6, 2008, 7:12 pm 7:12 pm
Has anyone noticed that in the last several months the Clinton and Obama campaigns have been tossing people aside because they either broke the law, broke the rules, or opened their mouths to say ridiculous things?
Has anyone noticed this but me? If they can’t handle their campaign staff, how in God’s good name will they be “ready on day 1″ to be President, or to deal with issues of life and death and war?
Vote Democrat this year, and you get inexperienced loudmouths with a propensity to say anything to get elected. It is as simple as that.
Posted by: Ed Steinberg | April 6, 2008, 7:12 pm 7:12 pm
Okay, this is a real issue and worth discussing. I cannot believe that Clinton didn’t know that her chief campaign strategist was lobbying on behalf of a trade deal that she so blatantly opposed. She took a firm stance against Obama when i came to light that an Obama advisor had met witht he Canadians. I just wonder why the Obama people are not using this issue to attack her. This is just as bad as the Wright thing. I mean, Obama lost Ohio specifically because of that NAFTA issue. Obama needs to drive home the consequence of this Mark Penn scandal. This is a BIG, BIG deal. Especially amongst blue-color white folks in Pennsylvania.
Posted by: Kevin | April 6, 2008, 7:13 pm 7:13 pm
Uncanny coincidence.
One of the upcoming make-or-break states she seeks to win during the primaries’ delegate chase is … Penn.
(and, in only a couple weeks)
Her choice of campaign stategist, the mouthy Mr. Penn, explodes as she is heading into the final 2 weeks of that Penn primary effort. Her popularity has been declining in that fine state, according to most polls taken weekly over the last 2 months…. down to a single-digit lead, getting closer and closer to statistically insignificant.
Wow… now folks may not want to be associated with her who’s campaign sullies with the duplicity of a strategy chief of the same name as their fair state…
Right-wing conspiracy if you ask me. Surely Karl Rove is behind this.
Poetic justice, coincidence, or whatever… it is so uncanny.
Mr. Penn exposed as two-faced until confronted and hopelessly exposed for what he is;
Mrs. C exposed for at best having no discernment as to duplicity of her highest advisors; and
The State of Penn having to make a decision about her in the circumstances.
So amazing. So telling
Posted by: T Rooney | April 6, 2008, 7:13 pm 7:13 pm
Too bad for Hillary I will still vote for her.
she’s not a war mungar like McCain who also has no clue about the economy.
Obama is a wolf in sheeps clothing!!! Trust me he heard a lot in that 20 years from that racist rev. at least his wife is “finally” glad to be an american.
Posted by: ozzy | April 6, 2008, 7:13 pm 7:13 pm
Uncanny coincidence.
One of the upcoming make-or-break states she seeks to win during the primaries’ delegate chase is … Penn.
(and, in only a couple weeks)
Her choice of campaign stategist, the mouthy Mr. Penn, explodes as she is heading into the final 2 weeks of that Penn primary effort. Her popularity has been declining in that fine state, according to most polls taken weekly over the last 2 months…. down to a single-digit lead, getting closer and closer to statistically insignificant.
Wow… now folks may not want to be associated with her who’s campaign sullies with the duplicity of a strategy chief of the same name as their fair state…
Right-wing conspiracy if you ask me. Surely Karl Rove is behind this.
Poetic justice, coincidence, or whatever… it is so uncanny.
Mr. Penn exposed as two-faced until confronted and hopelessly exposed for what he is;
Mrs. C exposed for at best having no discernment as to duplicity of her highest advisors; and
The State of Penn having to make a decision about her in the circumstances.
So amazing. So telling
Posted by: T Rooney | April 6, 2008, 7:13 pm 7:13 pm
Penn should have been removed months ago. This is yet another example of Hillary incompetence, poor judgement and inabilithy to lead. Heaven help us if she somehow makes it to the WH.
Posted by: Bob, DC | April 6, 2008, 7:13 pm 7:13 pm
Just imagine what a total madhouse and nightmare Hillary’s would have become when she had been able to drag it all the way into the General Election… Now THAT would have been the end of the DNC as the better alternative to the GOP.
Thank God this lousy soap opera won’t last much longer. This campaign is done.
Posted by: wittgenstein | April 6, 2008, 7:13 pm 7:13 pm
How many people will she fire before she realizes people won’t lie for her or until she finds ones who will????
Posted by: 3what3 | April 6, 2008, 7:13 pm 7:13 pm
OK time for HRC to follow ‘ol Mark Penn. This whole crew is a disaster. Don’t go away mad Hillbillery, just take your disgusting daughter and husband and go away. Let us have at Hussein O bomber and destroy any notion of him getting a night to sleep in the White House.
Posted by: Joser | April 6, 2008, 7:14 pm 7:14 pm
for the uninformed re Clinton charitable funds:
The Clinton family gave $10million to the Clinton Family Coundation from 2001-2007
This is a family fund that can be disbursed to various charities, Bill, Hillary and Chelsea are the officers of the foundation.
In financial parlance- that is called A TAX DEDUCTION
Through today, out of this $10m only $2.8 million has been given to charity -the balance of the money remains in the foundation
That is why the Clintons after initially being lauded for their “giving” are now back to being the “Clintons”. This is under 2% of the money made since 2000.
NOTES:
Bill Clinton rec’d an advance of $6,8 million for his book “GIVING” which encourages people to give to charity. Out of the advance he wound up “giving” only $1million of that huge advance
NOTES 2:
Speculation on the Clinton family foundation – as the 2007 tax returns were not released – is that should Sen Clinton get the nomination – Pres Clinton is supposed to resign from his Ron Burke windfall and they will give more to charity and as they got an extension – will not have to do this until likely August
THIS IS CALLED POLITCALLY EXPEDIENT CHARITY
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It depends on what the meaning of “charity” it
Posted by: alison | April 6, 2008, 7:15 pm 7:15 pm
We all know the Clintons are trailer trash who will do or say anything for power and glory; her campaign shows she would mismanage the Presidency as Bill mismanged his private life.
Posted by: deWolf Shaw | April 6, 2008, 7:15 pm 7:15 pm
Funny how the Clintons’ charitable contributions were to themselves…the Clinton Library…of course the crappy campaign couldn’t be Hillary or Bill’s fault…so Penn takes the fall after being caught double dealing for Hillary…these two have no shame !!!!
Posted by: Mark | April 6, 2008, 7:16 pm 7:16 pm
Too bad for Hillary I will still vote for her.
Obama is a wolf in sheeps clothing!!! Trust me he heard a lot in that 20 years from that racist rev. at least his wife is “finally” glad to be an american.
Posted by: ozzy
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No worry Ozzy, Obama wasn’t going to get the ignorant xenophobic block anyway.
Posted by: Your Conscience | April 6, 2008, 7:16 pm 7:16 pm
Funny how the Clintons’ charitable contributions were to themselves…the Clinton Library…of course the crappy campaign couldn’t be Hillary or Bill’s fault…so Penn takes the fall after being caught double dealing for Hillary…these two have no shame !!!!
Posted by: Mark | April 6, 2008, 7:16 pm 7:16 pm
Most of the Clinton’s donations were to the Clinton Foundation. 90% or so.
Posted by: Houdini | April 6, 2008, 7:16 pm 7:16 pm
too bad — the Clintons could use some late-inning advice from the drug cartels, who are, after all, very successful organizers — then again, even the drug runners may not have made $100 million in the past few years.
Posted by: Jack Wilson | April 6, 2008, 7:16 pm 7:16 pm
1) The unions said regarding clintoon that “serious questions about the veracity of your claims of what you would do should you become president” were raised. Are they kidding? Where have they been?
2) Yes, the clintoons gave 10% to charity. The only problem with their “giving” is they gave it all to their own foundation which funneled it right to the clintoon library/playground.
They are both beneath despicable
Posted by: rocky | April 6, 2008, 7:16 pm 7:16 pm
Mark D – I love you too.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | April 6, 2008, 7:17 pm 7:17 pm
You know russel, how many Roman Catholics continued to go to their church after it wss discovered that the hierarchy there covered up for numerous and repeated child abuse crimes? DOn’t tell me about REv. Wright’s awful behavior. What about the numerous preachers who say that hurricanes come and destroy lives and homes because God is angry. They still go to those churches and smile and nod when they hear those ridiculous distortions. That kind of logic is more obscene than what I have heard Rev. Wright say. How come is it that none of us make a stand the way we demand Obama should have done? How many dollars do gullible ordinary faithful funnel into the crooked ministries all over this nation while they run off in caddy’s and lincolns, having affairs,hiring gay prostitutes and the like. Oh no, their congregations forgive the Rev. Swaggerts of the world at the first tear. We are all guilty of hypocrisy so enough already of the Rev. Wright diatribe.
Posted by: katmido302 | April 6, 2008, 7:17 pm 7:17 pm
How much did Bill invest in Ron Burkle’s Dubai company? Nothing? Then what did he do to earn 15 million dollars from this company? Or was it a transfer from Dubai and its Sultan to the Clintons?This smells of corruption and influence buying. What brain dead voter still supports the Clintons????
Posted by: Messine | April 6, 2008, 7:17 pm 7:17 pm
Why you OBAMA supporters not asking OBAMA to reject his pastor and church?
Are you people also followers of Black Liberation Theology?
Hillary did the correct. She atleast fired someone who went against her position. Thank you Hillary
Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community … Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love.
To me this sounds like teachings of Osama
Posted by: GS | April 6, 2008, 7:18 pm 7:18 pm
The Clinton’s did give 10 million to charity. Most of it to……. the Clinton Foundation of which only half has been used. The other half just sits there waiting for their charity Needs.
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Look up the Clinton Foundation and see what they give to. BTW, a Foundation to maintain their charity status are required to give away a certain amount yearly. They would never give away all of the charitable monies because they invest those to maintain the charity to make more money for it. http://www.ClintonFoundation.org is the link to the Foundation, it has only been around since September of 2005, so all their charity donations did not go to it. The Clinton’s have always give around 10% or more of their income to charity, unlike Obama who just really started giving in 2005.
Posted by: Danielle | April 6, 2008, 7:18 pm 7:18 pm
I laugh at all you Obama boneheads, she released her taxes and shut you, Burton, Axelrod and Hussein up. Now let’s see if all the unions shut up, now that Penn is gone. This is the smartest move that she has done in a log time, she didn’t say I’m not going to disavow you like Obama said to his pal Wright, she said you’re gone. I will wait this week to see the general shut Bumble Bee up. The ironic part is that most of you dumb heads made money when Bill Clinton was President and now moan and groan that his wife maydo the same thing. I have been a Democrat all my life, but I’m voting for McCain the plagerist wins the nomination.
Posted by: Sam Pirri | April 6, 2008, 7:18 pm 7:18 pm
Just curious… if Hillary and Bill believe so much that Hillary is the right candidate to lead the country, why not invest some of that $109M in her own campaign? She’s complaining about how much she is being outspent in PA… why not fix this problem herself?
As an entrepreneur, one of the first things an investor asks is that you put some of “your own skin in the game”. How much do you really believe in your product?
What about it, Hillary?
Posted by: Quicksilver | April 6, 2008, 7:18 pm 7:18 pm
I laugh at all you Obama boneheads, she released her taxes and shut you, Burton, Axelrod and Hussein up. Now let’s see if all the unions shut up, now that Penn is gone. This is the smartest move that she has done in a log time, she didn’t say I’m not going to disavow you like Obama said to his pal Wright, she said you’re gone. I will wait this week to see the general shut Bumble Bee up. The ironic part is that most of you dumb heads made money when Bill Clinton was President and now moan and groan that his wife maydo the same thing. I have been a Democrat all my life, but I’m voting for McCain the plagerist wins the nomination.
Posted by: Sam Pirri | April 6, 2008, 7:18 pm 7:18 pm
where is their 2007 return? oh yeah, she thinks she’s going to be the nominanee so they filed an extension, and will probably file another one before August, so no one will get to see it until AFTER the election. A little sneaky if you ask me.
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No one asked you. Obama hasn’t released his 2007 returns yet either, he didn’t even release his other returns until last week despite clamoring for Hilary to release hers. The Clinton’s have not yet filed their returns, I am sure when they do, they will release them. BTW, I haven’t filed mine yet either. The Clinton’s gave an overview of their 2007 returns, Obama hasn’t even done that.
Posted by: Danielle | April 6, 2008, 7:18 pm 7:18 pm
Book Bag? I’m as old as Hillary and we didn’t have bookbags back then. We strapped our books together. Bookbags are a more recent mode of school gear. Still lying. I LOL’d at her at the ceremony.
Obama 08
Posted by: MariaWr | April 6, 2008, 7:18 pm 7:18 pm
Just as I thought – all the Obama lovers are on board to rake Hillary over the coals for something she didn’t have anything to do with. And you all were trying to tell us that you shouldn’t judge someone by somebody elses statements/actions (wright!!!) Wright was on Obama’s campaign also and it took awhile for him to step down too, plus he is still Obama’s “Uncle” and mentor. What a bunch of hypocrites.
Posted by: Bon53 | April 6, 2008, 7:20 pm 7:20 pm
Penn is only the tip of the iceberg. Wolfson, Ickes and Lanny need to go too! Then to really clean house, they need get rid of Bill and Hillary!
Posted by: Bob, DC | April 6, 2008, 7:20 pm 7:20 pm
Funny how the Clintons’ charitable contributions were to themselves…the Clinton Library…of course the crappy campaign couldn’t be Hillary or Bill’s fault…so Penn takes the fall after being caught double dealing for Hillary…these two have no shame !!!!
Posted by: Mark | April 6, 2008, 7:20 pm 7:20 pm
This is the kind of stuff that makes all Americans sick. Folk’s, if Penn had chilled and Clinton got into office, guess what? We would have a free trade agreement with Columbia. That ‘s why the Columbians fired the consultant firm once the jig was up. They knew that Pen could no longer help them covertly.
Do you think it might be more then just a little coincidental that the Columbians had Hillary’s number one strategist as a consultant (maybe that’s why she won’t quit…too much money to make for her cronies)?
Penn knew he had influence and could get the job done for the Columbians if or when the Clinton’s got into office. Oh yes, she will deny knowledge of Pen’s actions and even fire him,. The problem is that the last two lies she’s been caught in over the past week makes it hard if not impossible for me to believe her.
Once again we have a politician claiming to be against something and a staff member is out setting the table for everyone to make a lot of money.
Why would I want her in the White House? The scandals and lies are mounting and she’s not even the nominee.
Posted by: Roderick P | April 6, 2008, 7:21 pm 7:21 pm
finally!!!!!
it’s about time that dirt bag got the ax!
next up howard wolfson???
hillary clinton??? *crosses fingers*
hillary drop out!
Posted by: jennyfromCA | April 6, 2008, 7:21 pm 7:21 pm
Stepped down yet still going to advise? I hope those Unions KNOW they have been handed a pacifier LOL
Clinton strikes again and this reeks of more of their stink…like the meaning of the word “is”.
Posted by: Sam | April 6, 2008, 7:22 pm 7:22 pm
“all the Obama lovers are on board to rake Hillary over the coals for something she didn’t have anything to do with.”
O MY GOD! You mean it was BUSH who hired Penn to be Hillary’s chief strategist?
What a MEAN thing to do! Shame on George!
Posted by: gents | April 6, 2008, 7:23 pm 7:23 pm
raf says the media found very little wrong with the Clinton’s tax records. What is a little missing $18-MILLION between friends?
Hilary’s campaign comtinues to crumble as lies and deception continue to bubble up. This, the hospital lie and the Bosnia lies and…
Posted by: Bill Catz | April 6, 2008, 7:23 pm 7:23 pm
In Bill Clinton book he talks about being charitable and giving at least 5% of your earnings to charity. When his income rose instead of giving that money to “charity” he formed his own non-profit, hence a charity he now can contribute his larger earnings to, and we are not suppose to see this crap?
YOU GOT TO ADMIRE THEIR BUSINESS SMARTS but when you are trying to be president maybe a little more “ethics” should come into play, you think?
Posted by: popolop | April 6, 2008, 7:24 pm 7:24 pm
When Hillary met Sir Edmund Hillary…..
My parents named me after you 7 years before you became a household name.
And I went to a mountain top too when I met with MLK in 1962.
It’s congenital…she can’t tell the truth because she is a sociopath!!
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And you think Obama tells teh truth?
Shall we discuss Obama’s stories about him being a professor; my parents met at Selma who cares it was four years after his birth; I didn’t know green meant yes red meant no when it came to voting buttons; I won’t be running for President in 2008, I promise my constituents I will serve out my whole six year term; no, let’s talk about the Kennedy’s supposedly flying his father over here; no there is a better one, Rezko, he gave me only thousands, I didn’t know him well, I did know him well, he gave me a hundred thousand, no what a bonehead thing, he gave me a few hundred thousand, but I didn’t know he bought the strip of land next to my house that I got $300k less than the asking price at the height of the seller market and closed on it the same day as me, that same piece of land I bought 10 feet of; wait even better, I did hear, I didn’t hear, it did matter it didn’t matter, he was retiring, I put him on my camping in a leadership position despite commenting on his comments one year before, Rev, Wright. There is more, I can go on. Who is the sociopath? I doubt you even know what a sociopath is LOL
Posted by: Danielle | April 6, 2008, 7:24 pm 7:24 pm
Hillary’s incompetence and poor judgement revealed yet again. She cannot manage her own pathetic campaign staff. How on earth can she manage this country??
Posted by: Bob, DC | April 6, 2008, 7:24 pm 7:24 pm
Twenty2twenty; when I saw her “reading” her “rememberances”, I knew it was a load! I believe a rememberance is defined as being an occasion that touched you to your core being, so for her to have to READ hers was a joke. I guess she thought that performance was worthy of an Academy Award, but even Paris Hilton could have done a better job and Paris is a rotten actor. I also suspect that the last line of HRCs note that she read said, “Try to squeese out a tear if at all possible”. OMG, all anyone could do was barf – it was a total crock!!!
Posted by: Disparaged | April 6, 2008, 7:25 pm 7:25 pm
Well Sam, I resent being called a bonehead. I am a white female, 50ish, and voted Republican all my life. My first vote was for Jerry Ford. It took a lot to cross the aisle and decide to go for Obama. I’m too old to be dazzled by his oratory like some groupie. I have done my research and my decision was carefully made. Mostly, I am tired of power being in the hands of a few. I am tired of a possible bush clinton bush clinton stranglehold. Who’s next after them, Jeb and Chelsea. D.C. needs to be shaken up and Obama has proven that he doesn’t take the electorate for granted. I think he has the makings to be a great president. I want to give him the chance to be anyway.
Posted by: katmido302 | April 6, 2008, 7:25 pm 7:25 pm
It seems that Obama does not want his girls to be punished by having childern! I wonder what his mother would think about that?
Posted by: russell | April 6, 2008, 7:25 pm 7:25 pm
$10.2 million in charitable contributions. The contributions went to a family foundation run by the Clintons that has given away only about half of the money they put into it, and most of that was last year, after Mrs. Clinton declared her candidacy.
Is that the money she loaned her campaign ??????
Posted by: PDC | April 6, 2008, 7:25 pm 7:25 pm
There’s NOTHING wrong with the Clintons’ tax records.
ONLY 18 million dollars unaccounted for.
Posted by: gents | April 6, 2008, 7:25 pm 7:25 pm
Hmmm. I didn’t know he had connections with Blackwatert and Cintas.
Boy that dosen’t look so good.
Obama08
Posted by: Thinking | April 6, 2008, 7:26 pm 7:26 pm
These are telltale signs of a campaign about to fold. Thank God!
Posted by: Bob, DC | April 6, 2008, 7:26 pm 7:26 pm
We know this much about Obama: He started running for President before his first Senate term was finished. He has had a 17-year relationship with Rezko whose trial has yet to be completed. He has written untruths in his books about when and how his mother and father married. He was untruthful when he tried to drammatize how his father came to this country with help from John Kennedy. He plaigiarized “his” famous “words” speech, a speech already given by Deval Patrick. He has lied about the sources of his campaign money. He had a shady deal with Rezko and his wife to buy his home and adjacent property, and continues to lie about it. He has had a 20-year relationship with his pastor, friend, and spiritual advisor who has thousands of words with ranting and raving hatred sermons condemning America and “damning” America. That is just the surface. He had a lot of audacity to run when he had so little experience, but, we know that people like Kerry and Kennedy urged him to run. They think that the American voter will follow their lead. Not this time. We have seen a great lack of wisdom and experience in his words and decisions. We have seen too much double talk in the debates, his speeches, and his decisions.
Posted by: kerry | April 6, 2008, 7:26 pm 7:26 pm
Obama will never be an option for us …
Our conscience points us to MCCAIN if Hillary is not the nominee ..
The Democrats deserve to lose the White House is they put up Obama as their nominee …
Posted by: kerry | April 6, 2008, 7:27 pm 7:27 pm
What a loss! What a shame!
Does it mean as well that Hillary won’t wear Pennsuits any longer at 3 am?
Posted by: Herrick | April 6, 2008, 7:28 pm 7:28 pm
Mark says, “They gave an enormous amount to charity…” Yeah, THEIR OWN charity.
Posted by: Art | April 6, 2008, 7:29 pm 7:29 pm
You are tired? I am too …
Let’s get it over with … Tired of CNN’S political pundits … Tired of hearing about Ballot 08 …
Tired of hearing about OBAMA and his speeches …
We just want to COUNT ALL THE VOTES IN ALL THE STATES, INDLUDING MI AND FL …
And if the Democrats INSIST on OBAMA, they can have their OBAMA for nominee …
We will leave and join with the Republicans because we really believe the Presidency is far bigger than any political party …
We vote the candidate, not the party …
And the next best candidate for the Presidency of the United States after Hillary is MCCAIN.
Posted by: kerry | April 6, 2008, 7:29 pm 7:29 pm
The end is near for Hillary and her campaign.
Posted by: Bob, DC | April 6, 2008, 7:30 pm 7:30 pm
anonymous-Perhaps it would be a good start if YOU were to take down your Brittany pictures.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | April 6, 2008, 7:30 pm 7:30 pm
they can’t run a campaing.
they can’t run a political party.
they certainly won’t know how to run a country…
Posted by: sal vivanco | April 6, 2008, 7:31 pm 7:31 pm
The 10 million the Clintons gave to charity (their own) is less percentagewise than the money Obama gave to charity. Remember, when you consider the Clintons: figures don’t lie but liars can figure.
Posted by: rhbate | April 6, 2008, 7:32 pm 7:32 pm
Gee, it seems that Hillary’s “Woman of the People” image is taking a big hit this weekend. How sad, she seemed to sincere.
ROFL
Posted by: DMR | April 6, 2008, 7:32 pm 7:32 pm
The more problems Clinton has, the happier I am.
Posted by: Lucy P | April 6, 2008, 7:32 pm 7:32 pm
Gee, it seems that Hillary’s “Woman of the People” image is taking a big hit this weekend. How sad, she seemed so sincere.
ROFL
Posted by: DMR | April 6, 2008, 7:32 pm 7:32 pm
Penn realized he had to step down. So hillary didnt ask him too?
Maybe she does have an agreement with him?
You notice she did not out right fire him .She just had him change seats ..
does anyone smell something?
Posted by: lauren | April 6, 2008, 7:32 pm 7:32 pm
the clintons 10 mill wen to thier own charity theykept the money themselves and took the tax write off
Posted by: he | April 6, 2008, 7:33 pm 7:33 pm
How many people have left the Clinton campaign so far? How many have left Obama’s or McCain”s?
Posted by: Dennis | April 6, 2008, 7:33 pm 7:33 pm
Hey Dog Dude. Don’t you realize that it is a problem for your campaign (McSame) that the only thing you got is the same old stuff no matter what happens? Most people who support you can’t read that much anyway. Stick to the sound bites Dog Dude.
Posted by: Jim B | April 6, 2008, 7:33 pm 7:33 pm
Mark Penn should have been dumped after Super Teusday. This is too little, too late for the Clintons.
At this late stage of the primary season, this is almost certainly one of the last nails in the coffin of Hillary ’08.
Posted by: DeTroyes | April 6, 2008, 7:33 pm 7:33 pm
the clintons 10 mill went to thier own charity they kept the money themselves and took the tax write off go obama or mccain
Posted by: he | April 6, 2008, 7:34 pm 7:34 pm
I just hope she pays all those poor contractors she has defaulted with on her way out.
Posted by: Texas Voter | April 6, 2008, 7:34 pm 7:34 pm
Mark Penn was the “hired help”. When they don’t perform as requested, you get to terminate their employment. That’s what Clinton did.
When someone helps you buy a house you can’t afford, you owe them favors. Just what are those favors Senator Obama?
Posted by: morningside | April 6, 2008, 7:34 pm 7:34 pm
The campaign’s greatest fear now must be that Penn will start talking about Hillary and her screwed up crew.
Posted by: Herrick | April 6, 2008, 7:34 pm 7:34 pm
Attention all Americans who believe in a fair race: Obama’s Illinois strategy is being used again here in the Dem race … in Illinois, he got a team of lawyers together who poured through the paperwork of the opposing candidates and found technical errors in their filing papers which Obama then used to succeed in having them disqualified from the race … so Obama ran unopposed. Sound familiar???
This is a matter of public record as reported by numerous “news” outlets, including the Chicago Tribune, who has endorsed Obama.
Here again, Obama is trying to drive out the competition so that he can run unopposed. It isn’t hard to see why the media is helping him: all that campaign money he’s raising … where does it go? For media ads and coverage … he’s a cash cow for the media.
Now Obama is trying the same dirty tricks and tactics to try to secure an unopposed run as the Dem nominee. We, the people, need to stop him. No matter how you feel about the candidates, the process of electing our next Dem nominee needs to be democratic and open … not a one-way, unopposed ticket for the media’s cash cow.
Posted by: kerry | April 6, 2008, 7:35 pm 7:35 pm
Jim B – Well, princess, Obama’s your guy. I don’t need to make up this stuff thanks to Obama.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | April 6, 2008, 7:35 pm 7:35 pm
Funny how the Hillary supporters make posts completely unrelated to the topic of the article. Desperation times in Clintonia. I sense the end is near.
Posted by: Bob, DC | April 6, 2008, 7:36 pm 7:36 pm
Here’s what might happen.
Obama gets the nomination
Hillary is offered and accepts the VEEP
Bill runs for Hillary’s senate seat. He doesn’t even have to change staff.
Everybody gets to make history – everybody wins.
Weren’t there other former presidents who later ran in Congress?
Posted by: katmido302 | April 6, 2008, 7:36 pm 7:36 pm
Kerry..if you can honestly live with yourself voting for McCain and risking the lives of your fellow citizens go right ahead. It’s just very sad to hear from people with this attitude.
Posted by: Steph | April 6, 2008, 7:36 pm 7:36 pm
At a town hall meeting in Missoula today, Hillary said the race is so close that “we don’t know how it is going to turn out.”
So it’s official: she’s gone completely berserk.
Posted by: Hoover | April 6, 2008, 7:37 pm 7:37 pm
I’ve read the article about Hillary Clinton’s campaign and relationship with strategist, Mark Penn. I’ve also read many of the public’s comments about the above. Its a shame that many in politics and the media are mean-spirited. Just a shame . . .
Posted by: Bill | April 6, 2008, 7:37 pm 7:37 pm
So they donated money to their foundation? That’s what rich people do, they set up foundations. They don’t sit down themselves and review reams and reams of proposals and requests and then personally write all those checks.
Your naivete is showing – but what’s more, you Obama people just can’t stand that the Clinton’s weren’t trying to hide something here. Your guy, Obama, is just going to have to go back and see if he can earn votes the old fashioned way – work to convince people that he has the experience and judgement to represent us. People have started waking up though. Sorry you’re feeling so let down.
Posted by: morningside | April 6, 2008, 7:38 pm 7:38 pm
Danielle – Check out the $22,500 Obama gave to Reverend Wright. You get the bigotry and racism you pay for these days.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | April 6, 2008, 7:39 pm 7:39 pm
I think this hurts the Clinton campaign more then the taxes. Hillary is trying to cast herself as the blue collar fighter. Very hard to do when the Clinton’s made 100+ million and Penn pissing off the unions that support her.
Posted by: Eric | April 6, 2008, 7:39 pm 7:39 pm
The Clinton machine if finished now. Hillary needs to quit so McCain can start whipping up on Mr Smooth Talk.
Hillary also finished first in earmarks
oink oink
McCain had no earmarks.
Posted by: JUAN MOTI | April 6, 2008, 7:39 pm 7:39 pm
katmido302 – Andrew Johnson remains the only US President to serve as a US Senator.
PS – He was impeached as well.
Posted by: Texas Voter | April 6, 2008, 7:39 pm 7:39 pm
more of the aricle clinton foundation
The $31.3 million donation, which was previously undisclosed, came from the Radcliffe Foundation run by Frank Giustra, a Canadian who has made millions financing mining deals around the world. Mr. Giustra has become a member of Mr. Clinton’s inner circle, joining him on global trips and lending him the use of his private MD-87 jet.
For weeks, Clinton Foundation officials had suggested that the $31.3 million contribution listed on its tax return did not come from a single donor. They then said it came from a single source, but declined to identify it. Wednesday afternoon, a representative of Mr. Giustra contacted The Times and acknowledged the Radcliffe contribution.
Posted by: lauren | April 6, 2008, 7:39 pm 7:39 pm
Does Hillary have any advisors left?
Posted by: Allen | April 6, 2008, 7:40 pm 7:40 pm
EXCELLENT decision, Hillary!
NEVER change a winning team!
Posted by: harry | April 6, 2008, 7:40 pm 7:40 pm
one thing is for sure…90 percent of all government (public school) teachers will vote for hillary no matter what…a vote for hillary assures failed schools and failed workers receiving guaranteed jobs and hefty pensions in those schools.
america will continue to dumb down thanks to hillary.
Posted by: skippy7 | April 6, 2008, 7:42 pm 7:42 pm
She cannot run a campaign but she wants to run USA?
Posted by: John Rawlings | April 6, 2008, 7:42 pm 7:42 pm
Another part of the vast right wing conspiracy.
Posted by: Doc Savage | April 6, 2008, 7:43 pm 7:43 pm
America is not for sale.
American cannot compete with Colombia.
NAFTA and China Trade deals have proven that fact.
The Clintons have made a lot of money doing business with foreign countries and business persons.
It’s like they set themselves up to make a lot of money while they were still in the White House.
Ask yourselves why is Bill Clinton being paid millions of dollars for giving speeches overseas?
What could a person say that is worth millions of dollars?
Are people buying favors?
We must ask ourselves one simple question.
Can we trust the Clintons?
I am an Obama supporter but I am prepared to vote for McCain.
How say you?
Posted by: Kadee | April 6, 2008, 7:43 pm 7:43 pm
James
Hillary made the vast right wing the scapegoat . Wait thou it might happen again.
Maybe it your guys fault? you know everything
Obama08
Posted by: lauren | April 6, 2008, 7:44 pm 7:44 pm
I’ve never been much of a politcal guy. But this is the most facinating game I’ve ever seen. It’s like watching the Superbowl every day for over a year. Hillary fumbles every time she touches the ball. Obama can’t score inside the red zone. Just field goals. And McCain keeps picking up first downs because of the other teams foolish penalties. Still I love the unsportsmanlike conduct from the Clinton camp.
Posted by: The Football Gods | April 6, 2008, 7:44 pm 7:44 pm
All this straining to makes something out of the Clinton Tax Returns! What did we find out that the Clintons that they paid more than they should have and that they gave more than others in their tax bracket! Now there is a scandal that Obama can use, if it were not for the fact that his returns show that he is a cheapskate,who talks about helping people as long as it is taxpayer money. He is so tight that he squeaks when he walks! Left wing liberals talk the talk but don’t walk the walk!
Posted by: russell | April 6, 2008, 7:45 pm 7:45 pm
James – Hey, princess, $40 million dollars couldn’t even buy that republican garbage. But $22,500 buys you all the racists and bigots fit for an Obama supporter.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | April 6, 2008, 7:45 pm 7:45 pm
God Almighty, does Hillary Clinton have any idea what the hell she is doing? First, she does not even bother to cross-check her memories of Bosnia with her records before releasing her sniper-fire story; then she tells a completely unvetted story about a woman dying because she did not have $100 dollars; this would have been powerful had it been true, but the problem was that it was not. Now, she apparently has no idea what her chief strategist is doing. Could she actually be less clueless than she appears to be?
Posted by: FilmMD | April 6, 2008, 7:46 pm 7:46 pm
I guess the Unions should have backed Barack Obama .
Wonder how long will it be before they jump ship?
Posted by: lauren | April 6, 2008, 7:46 pm 7:46 pm
It’s over Hill. Give it up and go back to pimping for the people of NY
They deserve you and your kind.
Posted by: JUAN MOTI | April 6, 2008, 7:47 pm 7:47 pm
None of this matters at this point. It’s McCain’s race to lose at this point. Smart money says McCain by 8 points over Obama in November….
Posted by: Mister G | April 6, 2008, 7:47 pm 7:47 pm
This campaign has been done when Richardson endorsed Barack Obama. The media is continuing to cover the Democratic race for ratings. This is done people. The remaining superdelegates are holding out because they don’t want to be considered as Judas. If people think the Rev. White issue is bad, wait until they see the hand that the right wing has against the Clintons. They are drooling to have her as a candidate.
Posted by: SZZZ SEBAR | April 6, 2008, 7:48 pm 7:48 pm
Good move, Hillary. I was hoping for this immediate, decisive action from you on Penn, and we got it. Thanks. You will make a great POTUS 2008!
Hillary ’08
Posted by: ralphdaugherty | April 6, 2008, 7:49 pm 7:49 pm
Sheeesh! All the guy was trying to do was get in on some of that $110 millon over seven years action. What’s all the fuss about? Go Hillary!
Posted by: John Detmar | April 6, 2008, 7:50 pm 7:50 pm
Katmido, I applaude you for all you have said here – you and I think alike and you need to be commended for your contributions here today! Thanks so much!
Posted by: Disparaged | April 6, 2008, 7:50 pm 7:50 pm
The $10M to charity went to the Clinton Foundation! Nice if you can get away with it.
Posted by: Jim | April 6, 2008, 7:51 pm 7:51 pm
The smartest woman in the world has had to fire her campaign manager,and now her campaign strategist.
I believe the nation is about to fire her.
Posted by: big mike | April 6, 2008, 7:52 pm 7:52 pm
The Clintons make loans to “family members” and charge interest…what is the interest rate campaign donors will be paying back for her 5 Million dollar loan to her campaign??
Posted by: Missed the Fine Print | April 6, 2008, 7:53 pm 7:53 pm
The Clintons are finished. Bill will look down to the floor soon and start biting his lower lip and shake his head
so sad (not)
Posted by: JUAN MOTI | April 6, 2008, 7:54 pm 7:54 pm
So Mark Penn blew it. What about his brothers William and Sean?
Posted by: BlueMax372 | April 6, 2008, 7:55 pm 7:55 pm
With Condi Rice now running as vice president to John Maccain, she will steal the women’s vote from Hillary and the Black vote from Obama. Game over dems, but they are so busy fighting, they might not notice for a few days.
Posted by: MARK SMYTH | April 6, 2008, 7:55 pm 7:55 pm
Ryan,
They gave 6M to their own charity, umm, is it charitable giving if I give to myself?
Posted by: Bob | April 6, 2008, 7:55 pm 7:55 pm
Film MD
No way she did not know . There are very few credits that i will ever give this woman
1 She is highly intellegent. She knows the law like the back of her hand
2 well i was wrong with usung the word credits it should have said credit.
Posted by: lauren | April 6, 2008, 7:55 pm 7:55 pm
Sorry, I just can’t stomach her. As a woman I guess I am supposed to just fall over her every word, but I have never shaken the feeling that she feels she is entitled. She wants to rule. I think Bill wants it even more. Every move including becoming a senator has been geared toward being president. She pulls the victim bit out everytime she thinks she needs it and then says she is strong and invincible. She wears too many faces. I don’t want Queen Hillary. She says she has all the solutions for us – she knows best! How arrogant. Enough already folks – we need new blood in D.C. I agree with katmido – Bush Clinton, Bush Clinton scares me. It’s too much.
Posted by: No Dynasties in U.S. | April 6, 2008, 7:56 pm 7:56 pm
BKMC: When will you ever if it’s Obama it’s GODDAMN AMERICA! Get with the program man, I thought you guys were intellectual liberal elites!
Posted by: russell | April 6, 2008, 7:57 pm 7:57 pm
too bad so sad
Posted by: criss | April 6, 2008, 7:58 pm 7:58 pm
RAF – The Clintons gave (over) $10 million dollars to
charitythe William J. Clinton Foundation.There you go, glad to help.
Posted by: BrendaK | April 6, 2008, 8:00 pm 8:00 pm
The fat woman didn’t happen to be singing when he left was she?
08ama!
Posted by: Jim | April 6, 2008, 8:00 pm 8:00 pm
When is Hillary Clinton going to step down?
Posted by: Chuck | April 6, 2008, 8:00 pm 8:00 pm
skippy7: the man does not exhibit the true OBAMA because he has no clue who the true OBAMA is.
Posted by: rs | April 6, 2008, 8:00 pm 8:00 pm
too bad so sad
Posted by: criss | April 6, 2008, 8:01 pm 8:01 pm
No Dynasties in U.S.: Are you talking about Michelle! Sounds like her self portrait!
Posted by: russell | April 6, 2008, 8:01 pm 8:01 pm
why keep bringing up obama this is about the clintona mia steps
Posted by: he | April 6, 2008, 8:02 pm 8:02 pm
John Samuels – I know few Obama supporters have thoughts of their own, but why steal some else’s? And a dead man at that.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | April 6, 2008, 8:02 pm 8:02 pm
and…….. Clinton still owes him 2.5 million, gives charity money to the Clinton Foundation ? repeats phony story of uninsured pregnant woman for weeks, still can’t control her husbands mouth…….. yes this campaign has gone on too long
Posted by: Roscoe | April 6, 2008, 8:03 pm 8:03 pm
I as a libertarian find this whole charade
amusing-A lying female socialist scam artist slugging it out with a questionable
mixed race marxist,and the winner faces an old white out of touch liberal republican-as far as im concerned the more kaos the better-let the light of truth shine–and oh dont forget those all important SCOTUS appointments
Posted by: skifool | April 6, 2008, 8:03 pm 8:03 pm
Jackt51
Thanks for that
Posted by: Thinking | April 6, 2008, 8:04 pm 8:04 pm
What is it that you Clinton bashers hate the most about the 90′s? The PEACE OR THE PROSPERITY!
Posted by: russell | April 6, 2008, 8:04 pm 8:04 pm
Mark Penn needed to go a long time ago. They were loyal to him, and he violated that loyalty, and now he’s gone. And for those of you still trying to make something out of the tax returns, the Clinton Family Foundation is the administrative arm of their charities that coordinates the gifts. They didn’t create a non profit just to give themselves money. You people are probably the same conspiracy theorists that think we attacked ourselves on September 11. Get real.
Posted by: jdona | April 6, 2008, 8:04 pm 8:04 pm
wasn’t an issue for mrs. clinton ’til the unions started whining.. dirty dems dragging the party down, impotent dem coolaid drinking public getting what they deserve, when hilliary steals the election, we’ll get years of these scandals. bend over amerika, here comes Slick Willie, he’s gonna gives us some more while Mrs. C looks the other way and masturbates with her massive ego in the corner. laughable situation
Posted by: snark21 | April 6, 2008, 8:05 pm 8:05 pm
All good CEO’s make changes in management when the situation warrants it. Good ones have those “sharp elbows” – that some on this board think is arrogance or entitlement. Clinton has shown that she’s not afraid to make a move when the situation requires it – like all effective CEO’s. What about Obama? He can’t fire his manager – Axelrod – that’s the guy who created Obama. Then we’d truly have the Wizard of Oz – unmasked.
Another point about effective CEO’s – they don’t take a pass and vote “present” on tough issues. They lead – they don’t stick a finger in the air to see which way the wind is blowing – like Obama has done. We just don’t have enough information about this guy to entrust the presidency to him.
Posted by: morningside | April 6, 2008, 8:05 pm 8:05 pm
“The Clintons have a well-oiled political machine.”
It’s looking clearer and clearer what it’s oiled with.
Posted by: Michael H | April 6, 2008, 8:06 pm 8:06 pm
Good for Hillary. When someone is wrong she gets rid of them. Not like some people we know.
Posted by: lois | April 6, 2008, 8:08 pm 8:08 pm
Penn’s union busting firm remains in place and we are supposed to believe he’s gone? He’s just gone into the background and is pulling the strings from there.
Does Hillary Clinton really believe the American people and its unions are that stupid.
We need to run as far away as we can from the Clintons. They are anti-union through and through and we only have to look at NAFTA and Mark Penn’s firm to know it.
The one benefit of this campaign is that the clintons can no longer dupe us.
Posted by: laurie | April 6, 2008, 8:09 pm 8:09 pm
Bye-Bye Hillary. Penn was perhaps the most incompetent person at such a high level of a major political campaign ever. I for one remain completely shocked at how poorly managed this Clinton campaign has been. Hillary has sacrificed her campaign for the White House for the loyalty of a bunch of old “friends” and loyal political hacks. (Penn, Grunwald, Carville, Lanny Davis, Ann Lewis, Begala – even that miserable Wolfson) Had she hired skilled pros who know the lay of the land in 2008 – not 1998 – she would have smothered Obama months ago. Obama, for all his faults and far-left political leanings, has run a masterpiece of a campaign to this point. Bye-Bye Mrs. Clinton. Harry Reid will welcome you back to the Senate with open arms.
Posted by: JHD3 | April 6, 2008, 8:10 pm 8:10 pm
Clinton is caught red handed again in a campaign screw up. Her big money donors all expect a bit of quid-quo-pro. The electorate wasn’t born yesterday. I’m sure there are 39 more just like Penn on her staff. Penn just had the unfortunate luck of being outed.
Posted by: chuck h. | April 6, 2008, 8:10 pm 8:10 pm
What I don’t understand is why they’re still keeping his firm on board. They should’ve cut ties completely. Otherwies it makes this whole thing look like smoke and mirrors.
Posted by: Michael | April 6, 2008, 8:10 pm 8:10 pm
Snark21,
We have plenty of information about Obama to know he will make a great president.
Lead, follow, or get out of the way.
The times they are a changin’…
08ama!
Posted by: Jim | April 6, 2008, 8:11 pm 8:11 pm
“I almost jumped up and started to clap when she said she threw her bag against the wall and felt that her whole life had been drained from her body.”
Read “Primary Colors”. She has a habit of throwing things around when she gets p’d off. Usually bunches of keys, at Bill’s head.
Posted by: Memory Man | April 6, 2008, 8:12 pm 8:12 pm
Jim – Please backup your statement about Senator Obama being qualified for being “a great President”. Specifics only please.
Posted by: Consultofactus | April 6, 2008, 8:13 pm 8:13 pm
Come on guys, give Penn a break. At least he didn’t claim to have come under sniper fire. Now THAT would really be a reason to step down.
Posted by: Bosnian Adventures | April 6, 2008, 8:13 pm 8:13 pm
Is there no end to this shameless Bill & Hill outing. LETS HOPE SO……..
Posted by: savoymt | April 6, 2008, 8:14 pm 8:14 pm
sorry clintons, but if the colombian government didn’t know who Penn was representing, it says a lot more about you then you realize. Don’t think you’re gonna pull the wool over anybody’s eyes this the 2nd time around – nafta 1st now this.
Wake up – Clintons appear they may be making backroom deals again.
Poor Hill, had to force Penn out cause she doesn’t want to look bad again – sympathy card again hey Hill.
We are so much smarter than you think. You keep surrounding yourself with the shadiest people america has ever seen. I’m sure you’re upset about this, you got cAught once again. You can’t even manager your people or your finances or your campaign. Don’t blame anybody but yourself.
YOU HAVE POOR JUDGEMENT.
Posted by: jules0123 | April 6, 2008, 8:15 pm 8:15 pm
Mark Penn works for Hillary Clinton. Don’t insult our intelligence. Mark Penn was working for Hillary when he talked to the Canadians. This is way he still working with Hillary as an advisor.
Posted by: Crys | April 6, 2008, 8:15 pm 8:15 pm
Mark Penn works for Hillary Clinton. Don’t insult our intelligence. Mark Penn was working for Hillary when he talked to the Canadians. This is why he still working with Hillary as an advisor.
Posted by: Crys | April 6, 2008, 8:17 pm 8:17 pm
I mean the one that every working man and woman in America remembers, the one where anyone who wanted a job had a job when americans could afford a loaf of bread and a tank of gas, when they could afford to send their kids to college. As I remember Bill Clinton was not president when 9/11 occured, but being a Harvard educated supporter I am going to mark that up to a cerebral eclipse that seems to plague the Obama supporters!
Posted by: russell | April 6, 2008, 8:17 pm 8:17 pm
“Penn’s firm — Penn, Schoen and Berland Associates, Inc. — will remain on board providing polling and advice to the campaign, though he will no longer serve as the chief strategist, Williams said.”
Interesting… That means – Mark Penn is not fired. His role has just been changed from Chief strategist, to campaign adviser.
Too bad… The “Change to win” guys will know she is trying to fool them…
Posted by: kanobi11 | April 6, 2008, 8:17 pm 8:17 pm
jules0123 – Does the name Wright ring a bell in the Obama camp when BAD JUDGMENT comes to mind? Or Farrakhan? Or Ayers?
Posted by: Dogsoldier | April 6, 2008, 8:18 pm 8:18 pm
It’s over.
Posted by: zazalu | April 6, 2008, 8:19 pm 8:19 pm
I can’t believe anyone would vote for someone who has run the worst campaign in American history. This woman is a total incompetent. The lies, missteps, misspeaks, mishears have reach a laughable stage that quite frankly is not funny anymore. If this is the way the Democrats are going to run the country it is truly frightening.
Posted by: eagle35 | April 6, 2008, 8:19 pm 8:19 pm
I can’t believe anyone would vote for someone who has run the worst campaign in American history. This woman is a total incompetent. The lies, missteps, misspeaks, mishears have reach a laughable stage that quite frankly is not funny anymore. If this is the way the Democrats are going to run the country it is truly frightening.
Posted by: eagle35 | April 6, 2008, 8:19 pm 8:19 pm
Keeping to the point, if anyone thinks that the Clintons did not know what Penn was up to, you’ve been smoking what Bubba didn’t inhale through the sixties. Nothing is accidental with the Clinton mafia. The Columbia connection was just like the Canadian connection. It was unconcstitutional messing about with foreign policy. Penn’s job was to give the nod and wink to Canada and Columbia, so that the Clintons could go ahead with their NAFTA (and other free trade) bashing for effect. As always, the feigned surprise has to be trotted out, as soon as the hanky panky becomes public.
Posted by: David | April 6, 2008, 8:21 pm 8:21 pm
What is wrong with the Clinton Foundation? It is doing a lot of good work from everything I have read and seen. The Obama’s charity was mostly to their church, which from what I can see I would not want to belong to and donate to a church so full of hate for America and other races.
Posted by: lois | April 6, 2008, 8:22 pm 8:22 pm
Before anyone starts admiring the Clintons for that $10 million charity donation, it was largely made to his presidential library.
I hope the people of Pennsylvania, Montana, Oregon, Indiana, Kentucky, North Carolina and every other great state in this Union are aware of the truth-twisting, and stop believing the lies, the attempt made to make Hillary seem nice (those cute remarks are all written for her), and that people remember how the Clintons ripped off tens of thousands of dollars of public artifacts from the White House when they left — they felt entitled to it, but the stuff belonged to us, the People.
They had to be threatened with a lawsuit and even then, only returned a little more than $28,000 worth.
And that the people remember how in 1992 Hillary squelched a universal health plan because it was authored by someone else and she wanted the credit. She eventually came up with a bad plan. Now she talks about having learned from “my scars” — what about OUR scars? Why is everything to do with her? Why does she always begin sentences with “I” whereas Obama says “We.”
If she’s elected, she will be just what we deserve as punishment for gullibility.
Posted by: maggie van ostrand | April 6, 2008, 8:23 pm 8:23 pm
OPERATION CHAOS!!
Posted by: Arundel | April 6, 2008, 8:24 pm 8:24 pm
omentum – Obama a master mind? Wright!
Posted by: Dogsoldier | April 6, 2008, 8:24 pm 8:24 pm
DEMS being DEMS
Practicing race and gender politics with a bit of executice incompetence thrown in.
Posted by: JUAN MOTI | April 6, 2008, 8:24 pm 8:24 pm
Their charitable donations were to his foundation, when Bill travels doesn’t he use his foundation for expenses?????
Posted by: Niels | April 6, 2008, 8:24 pm 8:24 pm
Believe or not Martin Luther King Jr. himself was a preacher of Black Liberation Theology. The Catholic Church Teaches in schools, and has it’s root in the 1960s. (Sound familiar). It is as much apart of America as is the black community. So when a person bashes Black Liberation Theology, their bashing Luther King, the Catholic Church, are Anti-American, Racist, and hey for the fun of it classist, because I know poor white people get along just fine with black people.
Posted by: Dean | April 6, 2008, 8:24 pm 8:24 pm
C’mon people, give this guy a break! He has to get paid somehow after his Clinton Campaign checks were bouncing.
Posted by: Steve | April 6, 2008, 8:24 pm 8:24 pm
Great so she will have someone else to blame her failures on. I think she might have something serious wrong with her mental state. The closer the realty of her not becoming the first woman president is, the more she flails about. Her attempt to push the negative spotlight on those around her and not accept the blame is an even greater reason not to vote for her. We have someone like that now in the white house, do really want to have another?
Posted by: Joe | April 6, 2008, 8:26 pm 8:26 pm
Oh, my … a rat leaving a sinking ship.
Posted by: Mokopane | April 6, 2008, 8:28 pm 8:28 pm
Obama supporters can just keep beating Hillary. If Hillary is not the nominee, a good percentage of us will be voting for McCain. He atleast is a true american. First choice Hillary, Second choice McCain with a good VP, Third choice sit out.
I vote for the person and not party.
Hillary 08
Posted by: GS | April 6, 2008, 8:29 pm 8:29 pm
See? Chaos indeed. The “Uncivil war continues”
Where is my popcorn? :)
Posted by: Arundel | April 6, 2008, 8:30 pm 8:30 pm
THE MORE ABC,MSNBC,&CNN BASH CLINTON THE MORE I WANT TO VOTE FOR HER.HILLIARY IS RUNNING AGAINST A BIAS MEDIA AND OBAMA AND NEITHER HAVE ENOUGH PUNCH TO KNOCK HER OUT. GO HILLARY
Posted by: S4B0 | April 6, 2008, 8:30 pm 8:30 pm
maggie van ostrand – Wright, you did get the bigot and racists Obama paid for with his $22,500 “donation.” Spiritual adviser? Boy, Obama must be in sad need of spirituality to use Wright. Sad need indeed.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | April 6, 2008, 8:30 pm 8:30 pm
Oh when, oh when will we ever see a negative headline/story about Obama? Did you say NEVER? Dear ABC, CNN, MSNBC hell hath no fury like millions of democratic women scorned…pay attention advertisers, you are wasting your money if you are trying to attract female consumers…we are not watching the OBAMALOVEFEST anymore…we are tired of the SEXIST MEDIA…ooh, wait, there’s a story coming on about a call girl, gotta go..
Posted by: rs | April 6, 2008, 8:30 pm 8:30 pm
Thank you cplummer — It’s good to see a Clinton supporter willing to admit that she has flaws. We know that Obama has flaws as well. It’s just a matter of which person you feel better about, since they are virtually the same from a policy standpoint.
Thanks for your post. I can see you are a stand-up person. Hopefully we’ll be on the same side before this thing is over.
Posted by: Steve | April 6, 2008, 8:30 pm 8:30 pm
Major beatdown: I take it you were one of those fat cats who had to pay a little more in taxes in the 90′s! Or are you one of those who got their projects cut off when Clinton reformed Welfare, sound like the latter and you are still mad! Thats ok maybe Obama will start handing out candy and you can get some!
Posted by: russell | April 6, 2008, 8:30 pm 8:30 pm
Is that all you people have to do is study the Clinton’s tax records. there is no conspiracy there, sorry! Wake up, and take a good look at yourself. Why are you so hateful towards people who dedicated most of their lives to make this country better. Please try to remember (I know it is hard, considering your short sightedness) how good things were in the 8 years that Bill was president. That says more than a thousand Obama “yes we can” speeches and anything that Mccain can dribble out of his mouth.
Posted by: Tom NYC | April 6, 2008, 8:31 pm 8:31 pm
And regarding Rev. Wright, since when is it a crime to say you hate america? what is everyone so scared of? so what if he hates america? the greatest thing about america is that he can say that and not fear governmental retribution. why is everyone so intimidated because a man says he doesn’t like america?
Posted by: just the facts | April 6, 2008, 8:33 pm 8:33 pm
PENNsylvania democrats: See how committed the Clinton campaign is to NAFTA renegotiation? This is the third time the Clinton campaign has been caught as being disingenuous about NAFTA.
Posted by: Mokopane | April 6, 2008, 8:35 pm 8:35 pm
Would you lke your Hilliary served medium rare, or well… DONE!!!
Posted by: zyx | April 6, 2008, 8:35 pm 8:35 pm
I guess that Obama supporters are angry about the surplus that Clinton left! Why so angry my little kittens,Obama daddy forget to feed you! I guess he is to cheap to buy the catnip that you have been chewing!
Posted by: russell | April 6, 2008, 8:36 pm 8:36 pm
Sounds like a rat deserting or being pushed off a sinking ship!
The Clintons constant lies and duplicity
have caught up to them!
The Party’s over Hillary Pinnochio
Clinton! Go Home and take Geppetto(Bill)
with you!
Posted by: reaganfan | April 6, 2008, 8:37 pm 8:37 pm
so, before this incident Penn was their “chief strategist and pollster” Now, they fired him, but he still remains their pollster and adviser. Why is nobody picking up on this. Just seems like he lost the window office. HE’S STILL ON THE CAMPAIGN! HILLARY DOESN’T EVEN HAVE THE ABILITY TO FIRE SOMEONE CORRECTLY!!!
Posted by: sos | April 6, 2008, 8:37 pm 8:37 pm
Still hoping she gets the nomination, though it looks hopeless now. I just wanted to be able to vote against her.
Posted by: me | April 6, 2008, 8:37 pm 8:37 pm
The Clinton foundation is a charity, and they use it to direct money to Africa and other areas. You people are so lame.
Posted by: jan hutchin | April 6, 2008, 8:37 pm 8:37 pm
For every lie tied to Obama there are 5 for Hillary. It is about time the Clinton’s karma came calling.
Posted by: Liz | April 6, 2008, 8:39 pm 8:39 pm
GS, I totally agree. Obama supporters just keep it up with the trash against Hillary. Just driving Hillary supporter farther away. I am like you Hillary 1st choice, McCain 2nd choice. I know we also say negative things against Obama, but I have never seen such trash talk within the same party as from the Obama followers.
Posted by: lois | April 6, 2008, 8:39 pm 8:39 pm
Face it, Hillary and Obama are both unqualified for president. It is just the way it is. Deal with it. Mccain is not my choice but better by far from those two clowns.
“Operation Chaos operative”
Posted by: Arundel | April 6, 2008, 8:40 pm 8:40 pm
Someone said that is bad news for Hillary, that she will now have to pay Mark Penn for all those past due bills.
Who says a Clinton is good for paying their bills? Good luck collecting from those grifters!
Posted by: Robert Morrow | April 6, 2008, 8:40 pm 8:40 pm
Hillary should have fired Mark Penn days ago. COLUMBIA even fired him before Hillary did!! AND the FACT is Hillary still didn’t fire Penn, Penn decided to quit!!
Hillary should not have had Penn on her campaign for one minute after she found out about the lobbying he was doing in COLUMBIA. But still Hillary for days gave permission for Mark Penn to remain as an advisor on her campaign.
Posted by: Leslie | April 6, 2008, 8:40 pm 8:40 pm
russell: I’m not fat nor a cat. I left a $13.50 an hour job during the Clinton adminstration, to take a $10.78 an hour job with a communication company in March of 2000. It’s a union job and in that time I have held the positon of chief steward of my local. I earned + 75k last year thanks to a STRONG economy and a strong customer base that is continuing to grow due to the strong sales of internet subcriptions. All those “poor” people with their new lap tops with high speed internet subscriptions keep me well fed. Thanks to the wealthiest poor people on earth here in the US, I’ll always have work.
Posted by: Major Beatdown | April 6, 2008, 8:41 pm 8:41 pm
Question for Question For No Obama
What is my URL address?
Posted by: eagle35 | April 6, 2008, 8:41 pm 8:41 pm
Conservatives are the ones who are trashing the clinton’s here. If you are a Democrat don’t fall for this ploy. they fear Hillary because they know she will correct the mess that their Party has gotten us all into. They know that will same thei beloved GOP.
Posted by: Tom NYC | April 6, 2008, 8:42 pm 8:42 pm
The Clintons are pro-NAFTA, anti-truthiness, and running a horribly inept campaign. Obama is politically and constitutionally astute, proposes appropriate policies, and can implement them.
It’s a done deal anyway, because Clinton cannot catch up in delegates, popular vote, or states.
Posted by: Mokopane | April 6, 2008, 8:42 pm 8:42 pm
Did you guys hear that Hillary is starring in the remake of Commando? Apparently she’s going to be doing her own stunts and corkscrew landings!
Posted by: Bosnian Adventures | April 6, 2008, 8:43 pm 8:43 pm
major beatdown: Looks like you were doing better under Clinton!
Posted by: russell | April 6, 2008, 8:43 pm 8:43 pm
Hillary All the Way,
I am with you all the way. I never cared for Penn either. Both him and Alexrod on the Obama side have always given me the willies.
Posted by: lois | April 6, 2008, 8:44 pm 8:44 pm
Remember, the President is only as strong as the people he/she surrounds him/herself. Think about the constant turnover of key staffers and cabinet in the current White House. Think of how many Clinton staffers and “close” confidants have either been fired, investigated, indited, quit or been arrested. Seems like more of the same to me. Vote Obama.
Posted by: Scott | April 6, 2008, 8:44 pm 8:44 pm
for those of you who think that give to the clinton foundation is something shady and self serving realize this: bill gates gives to the bill and melinda gates foundation and then the foundation decides on how best to use that money in charitable causes – the irs looks very closely at such foundations and they are held to strict standards – if hillary and bill were doing anything improper you would know about it – before you mouth off why don’t you use google and educate yourselves – it is not like you have to read a book or god forbid take a class – the information is right there or should i say here (on the internet)
Posted by: scathinglybrilliant | April 6, 2008, 8:46 pm 8:46 pm
Bosnian Adventures – Michelle will be starring as a proud American in an election near you.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | April 6, 2008, 8:47 pm 8:47 pm
Obama’s no better please!!!!
Obama wouldn’t know honesty if it jumped up and bit him…He’s nothing more than gutter trash.
He sat in the pews of a church and heard nothing in reference to his illustrious pastor that was derogatory……He realized how STUPID that sounded so, he launched this master speech that would set the record straight.. Even had the audacity(love this word) to tell US that WE had racial issues. I like that touch! I guess he would know coming from a racially charged atmosphere for two decades. Made this bit production of Hillary’s tax information which revealed nothing we didn’t already probably know. But, have received campaign contributions far exceeding their total 8 year gross income…Oh my goodness that one is crazy.
Took questionable donations from none other Tony Rezko……But was the only living soul in Chicago that didn’t know the dynamics associated to him. Didn’t know him still even though he sold you the house and lived right next door…… I love it!
Can’t be held responsible you were oblivious of everything that was going on around you. Receiving money from unregistered lobbyist, their families, as well as other business associates….. But, because they were unregistered it was OK……. Call that a little double standard wouldn’t you say? Didn’t understand the voting process while in the Senate and oops my Senate records mysteriously disappeared.. Yeah right! EVERYBODY is looking at him like maybe we have a nut loose.
He made this great BIG issue oh my god Hillary has embellished her trip to Bosnia she is not to be trusted…But you on the other hand…..This next one is one of my personal favorites he truly should be nominated for an award……….
Your father was airlifted into America by way of the Kennedy’s in 1959. Story brought a tear to my eye of how your parents were able to meet through the kindness of the Kennedy’s…….Unfortunately your father came here in 1960 the air lift had already occurred……So that says…. It never happened!
Posted by: kerry | April 6, 2008, 8:47 pm 8:47 pm
Mich and FL will be counted just not the way you want them to counted
Posted by: smash | April 6, 2008, 8:48 pm 8:48 pm
Did Penn leave the campaign or just his position? Between the anti-union, Blackwater,and Columbia clients, he was so conflicted, it is a wonder that he had the guts to even get involved with the campaign. One wonders how no one in the campaign or the Clintons knew of the conflicts. MORE SO, one wonders about the judgments HRC is capable of making at 9 AM or any other time.
This has become a pitiful campaign!
Posted by: LPetesen | April 6, 2008, 8:48 pm 8:48 pm
Oh should Clinton blame the press again?? Obama just coast on n there 08
Posted by: enaudnella | April 6, 2008, 8:48 pm 8:48 pm
So who does Hillary have left? There can’t possibly that many stupid people to pick from.
Posted by: Patriot 2008 | April 6, 2008, 8:49 pm 8:49 pm
To omementum: OBAMA needs to go….. He’s really stinking up the place with all his craziness…… His negatives are not going through the roof for nothing……The truth hurts guys. I know… But get over it and let him go….
OBAMANATIONS…… JUST LET GO…..
Posted by: rs | April 6, 2008, 8:50 pm 8:50 pm
I’m so tired of hearing Hillary supporters say that if Obama wins the nomination they are going to vote for McCain. DO THAT! Most Obama supporters are going to do the same thing if Hillary STEALS the nomination.
Posted by: Crys | April 6, 2008, 8:51 pm 8:51 pm
Omentum: I will never go to bed as long as the Evil Rev Wright is lose preaching his hate filled sermons demeanig america! No I will stay awake as long as it takes to make sure that Obama and his hate america first supporters are defeated and no longer pose a threat to this great country! I will bear any burden and pay any price to protect my country! God Bless America And God Bless Hillary Clinton, a true God Loving American!
Posted by: russell | April 6, 2008, 8:52 pm 8:52 pm
Word from inside the campaign staff of Hillary. She may be ending her campaign soon sometime this week.
Posted by: smash | April 6, 2008, 8:53 pm 8:53 pm
It is coming to an end for Mrs. Clinton.
She is just to polarizing she will not and acacnnot win the nomination.
She has to much against her. Supers know if they were to give her the nod, McCain and the Republican party would have a geat field day with her,
Obama 08
Posted by: Lauren | April 6, 2008, 8:53 pm 8:53 pm
The Republicans and the consevative media machine will rip Obama to pieces if he wins the nomination. Right now, they are more concerned with knocking Clinton out of the race. But if Obama wins it is good night baby.
Posted by: Tom NYC | April 6, 2008, 8:53 pm 8:53 pm
omentum – Ok. How about we discuss troop withdrawl?
Obama – “It’s time to set a hard date to signal a new mission in Iraq and to begin to bring our troops home. It’s time to ensure that we complete the change in mission and the drawdown of our forces, by the end of April 2008 – a date that is consistent with the date in my plan back in January.”
Obama this week: United States should transition to an “over-watch” force of between 60,000 and 80,000 troops by the end of 2010, according to an article Friday in the New York Sun.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | April 6, 2008, 8:55 pm 8:55 pm
I knew when I read this article that somehow someone would find a way to bring up something negative about Obama and Rev. Wright. First, Obama has nothing to do with Hillary’s inability to run her own campaign or manage the people who work with/for her. Stop excuse her deficiencies by trying to bring him down. In the beginning of this bid for nomination she would have been much better served to try to build herself up vice trying to bring Obama down to her level. Her poor strategy towards winning the nomination has served to spell her doom. She applied a strategy that would work well in the general election, but unfortunately the general election is not until November and by then she will have put her full support behind Obama for President. Hillary supports should stop using the 9 year old defense, “Look he did something wrong too, but he is not getting in trouble”. One of the earliest lessons in life regardless is to accept responsibility for your actions.
Posted by: Kenneth | April 6, 2008, 8:56 pm 8:56 pm
Angel, I support Obama, not sure who you support. But I’m not down with such accusations. Was there an investigation into this?
Defense attorneys defend many people-that is their job. They defend the guilty and the innocent–our laws allow everyone to have a fair trial and fairl legal representation.
These are strong accusations and if true would mean disbarring and probably jail time.
Please don’t smear people like that if you aren’t absolutely sure. I’m sure you wouldn’t like such accusations (if rumors) spread about your candidate or yourself or your family member.
Posted by: Twigster | April 6, 2008, 8:58 pm 8:58 pm
Omentum: Looks like we hit a nerve! Take a deep breath now doesn’t that feel better? It is best not to let those feelings stay bottled up, they wil just keep eating at you!
Posted by: russell | April 6, 2008, 8:58 pm 8:58 pm
I wander when the Clinton campaign will fire Hillary Rodham Clinton from the candidate position…
Posted by: toroid | April 6, 2008, 8:59 pm 8:59 pm
Dogsoldier: Obama has consistently proposed a 16 month plan, which by time he is president, would take us to … 2010.
Posted by: Mokopane | April 6, 2008, 9:00 pm 9:00 pm
One upside for Clinton fans: With Mark Penn gone, the Clinton campaign might actually become honest?
Posted by: Mokopane | April 6, 2008, 9:01 pm 9:01 pm
russel, were you supporting Obama before Rev Wright story? I am sure you were not. Keep your BS with yourself.
Posted by: bkkarna | April 6, 2008, 9:04 pm 9:04 pm
Chuck: How do you get your news pony express! Obama has been going to Coe’s prayer breakfast too! He said that he has spoken at the breakfast too! Well this looks like another passport spy story!
Posted by: russell | April 6, 2008, 9:04 pm 9:04 pm
Obama – The only candidate who said on the record that he voted SIX different times ACCIDENTALLY. Leadership material there. You only have THREE buttons dummy. Yes, no, and present. And he wants to run a country?
Posted by: Dogsoldier | April 6, 2008, 9:05 pm 9:05 pm
The Colombia trade controversy was not the first case in which a client of Penn’s irritated the Clinton campaign.
If that was the case why did she keep him on?
I wonder what he has on her??
Maybe we will found out if she kicks him to the curb.
Posted by: lauren | April 6, 2008, 9:06 pm 9:06 pm
Dogsoldier, still helping pay back that Clinton 5 million debt that she ran up staying in those she she hotels in January? You know she’s a first lady, she has to travel in style on YOUR dime…nevermind she’s a multimillionnaire!
Posted by: Twigster | April 6, 2008, 9:08 pm 9:08 pm
The charity to which the Clinton’s donated? Their own foundation!
So they get to decide how that money gets spread around.
Not my idea of charity.
Posted by: Hudson | April 6, 2008, 9:11 pm 9:11 pm
Twigster – Go easy on me. Hillary has all my money and I’m wondering if you have a dime to spare?
Posted by: Dogsoldier | April 6, 2008, 9:11 pm 9:11 pm
Looks like the rats are going down with the ship. How odd… I would have thought blue-collar workers had more street sense. Why do you think her key constituencies are old, poor, and uneducated? Your candidate doesn’t care about you people, she just knows how gullible you are.
Posted by: realitycheq | April 6, 2008, 9:11 pm 9:11 pm
Hudson, how much are they saying that Clinton Foundation donated to the Clinton library again?
Posted by: Twigster | April 6, 2008, 9:12 pm 9:12 pm
Clinton: One Foot In The Grave – Bet you have friends in low places like the rest of us as well.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | April 6, 2008, 9:13 pm 9:13 pm
omentum – That was funny.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | April 6, 2008, 9:14 pm 9:14 pm
Step aside as Chief Strategist? Is that all he needs to step aside from? I just don’t get that. Why would she employ him in any role since supposedly he betrayed her?….unless he didn’t.
Posted by: gayle in California | April 6, 2008, 9:14 pm 9:14 pm
America is not for sale.
American cannot compete with Colombia.
NAFTA and China Trade deals have proven that fact.
The Clintons have made a lot of money doing business with foreign countries and business persons.
It’s like they set themselves up to make a lot of money while they were still in the White House.
Ask yourselves why is Bill Clinton being paid millions of dollars for giving speeches overseas?
What could a person say that is worth millions of dollars?
Are people buying favors?
We must ask ourselves one simple question.
Can we trust the Clintons?
I am an Obama supporter but I am prepared to vote for McCain.
How say you?
Posted by: Kadee | April 6, 2008, 9:19 pm 9:19 pm
DAve R – Republican party? Does that party even exist anymore? Didn’t they die out with the rest of the dinosaurs back when the asteroid killed most of them off except for the McCainasouras?
Posted by: Dogsoldier | April 6, 2008, 9:20 pm 9:20 pm
What’s the big deal? It’s not like the misguided Obama will repeal NAFTA or GATT. If you honestly think he will, you seriously are ignorant to politics and well polished rhetoric that Obama has perfected with Jeremiah Wright. Speaking of Obama and all his socialist programs; if anyone sincerely wants to help those who are not well off, lets have an honest conversation of why they are so. How many of these mortgages failed because of irresponsible adults who failed to plan or spent their money eating take-out instead of saving money eating at home? When is it enough? To what degree do we as a country and people subsidize destructive personal lifestyles which leave children either without parents or with two mommies or two daddies? Does anyone seriously think there is a solution to our countries problems outside of building strong families? Can strong families be built on anything less than love, committment, and sacrifice?
These points are not up for debate. You apostate liberals can choose to argue against Christian values till your death and judgement; these are immutable truths which your empty breath can never change even when proxied behind of another well tuned politician.
Posted by: James | April 6, 2008, 9:21 pm 9:21 pm
At least we know that if Hillary sees something that goes against her public positions and campaign message, she will take action. In this case, she demonstrated her commitment to her message, by taking immediate action. Bravo!! It’s good to know that she will stand by the american people and follow-up words with actions. Senator Clinton rocks!!
Posted by: Bobo | April 6, 2008, 9:21 pm 9:21 pm
Ummmm, Chuck?
You posted:
“There were satellite photos of pilot distress signals taken as recently as 1992, complete with pilot name and authenticator code numbers”
Now I was just a Ranger and am unfamiliar with Air force gear. However, Chuck, you explain to me how the beacon could still be working in 1992? And would it not violate COMSEC to have pilot’s Name included? And I thought only the pilot could give the proper authenticator codes IN REAL TIME. No One would ever let that be done on auto. I smell a rat here……..
Posted by: Arundel | April 6, 2008, 9:23 pm 9:23 pm
Twigster – I’m with you on campaign reform. I have to be especially after I find myself bumming for dimes on the internet on a Sunday evening.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | April 6, 2008, 9:24 pm 9:24 pm
Ladies, I have to go.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | April 6, 2008, 9:27 pm 9:27 pm
Bill Clinton said he would have liked to have paid more taxes, but under the Bush plan, he couldn’t. There is no law against making a donaltion to the federal government, so if he REALLY wanted to pay more, he could have. More of his political ranting!
Posted by: Todd | April 6, 2008, 9:31 pm 9:31 pm
She has been committed to her opposition to CAFTA. Mark Penn never impacted that. And when he mixed the campaign with business, action was taken.
That seems totally appropriate to me – I don’t see what the big deal is.
From what I recall on the Obamam side, Goolsby never got fired and pulled the same thing. Hmmm….
Posted by: MAB | April 6, 2008, 9:32 pm 9:32 pm
Penn fired/demoted/resigned from top strategy job paying millions. On last couple of laps in a 500 mile race.
Hmmm, bad poll numbers coming up?
Posted by: Harry Tuttle | April 6, 2008, 9:33 pm 9:33 pm
Carol 17, its unfortunate that you feel that way. Obama is running to make it better for all people. He encourages all of us to keep our eyes open on the govt and hold it accountable and make sure that it is working for us.
If he does become president, he will be working to making things better for you. Hillary would work for us too.
McCain?? He says if you are about to lose your home, that’s your fault. The govt should stay out of it. If you are about to lose your job, oh well. The govt shouldn’t get involved.
And forget about the vets. He wants us in Iraq for 100 years and possibly in Iran-to divert your money-your tax dollars, instead of giving the poorest of us a little back like Obama (and probably Hillary would do), he wants to keep that money, your money, in wars in OIL countries! The richest countries on the planet.
And continue the tax cuts on the richest people in this country-the people who don’t need these breaks. The people who still have their jobs and their many houses, and their fabulous vacations while we at the bottom continue to struggle day to day.
I hope you’ll reconsider.
Posted by: Twigster | April 6, 2008, 9:33 pm 9:33 pm
omentum,
You forgot experience laddy…..
The man does not know Jack about the most important job in the land. Think about it.
Posted by: Arundel | April 6, 2008, 9:35 pm 9:35 pm
Hillary keeps getting funnier. President – no.
Posted by: Mike | April 6, 2008, 9:36 pm 9:36 pm
The man does not know Jack about the most important job in the land. Think about it.
from: Arundel
He knows how to campaign and whip Hillary’s butt
Posted by: smash | April 6, 2008, 9:40 pm 9:40 pm
BOTH Clintons were well aware of who his clients were….does anyone, except the Clintons who think everyone is stupid, really believe those 2 were not aware of what he was doing? It’s just like the 3 lies Clinton has told the last couple of weeks. She did not care until she got caught. Who knows how many have not been caught?
Posted by: Sam | April 6, 2008, 9:42 pm 9:42 pm
The man does not know Jack about the most important job in the land. Think about it.
from: Arundel
He knows how to campaign and whip Hillary’s butt he knows that O YES HE CAN!
OBAMA 08
Posted by: smash | April 6, 2008, 9:42 pm 9:42 pm
People of Pennsylvania and all America!!! Are you so blind you cannot see the total lies of Clinton and Bush! I cannot stand anymore of the constant drumbeat of Hillary lies coming on the heels of Bush lies. Her chief guy is in Columbia doing deals about trade while Hillary is lying big time to the people of Pennsylvania. How do you think the Clintons got all that money? YOu cannot be all that stupid. They lie, lie, lie and lie some more while all they dopes believe them. They are not for you the working Pennsylvanian but themselves as their 109 million dollar income shouts. ARe we that stupid as a people—so were Germans in WWII and Russians when Lenin tool over.
Posted by: rockychance | April 6, 2008, 9:47 pm 9:47 pm
People of Pennsylvania and all America!!! Are you so blind you cannot see the total lies of Clinton and Bush! I cannot stand anymore of the constant drumbeat of Hillary lies coming on the heels of Bush lies. Her chief guy is in Columbia doing deals about trade while Hillary is lying big time to the people of Pennsylvania. How do you think the Clintons got all that money? YOu cannot be all that stupid. They lie, lie, lie and lie some more while all they dopes believe them. They are not for you the working Pennsylvanian but themselves as their 109 million dollar income shouts. ARe we that stupid as a people—so were Germans in WWII and Russians when Lenin took over.
Posted by: rockychance | April 6, 2008, 9:47 pm 9:47 pm
I think Nixon at the height of Watergate had better 10 days than this.
WAKE UP PEOPLE!
Posted by: Sheeza Lyer | April 6, 2008, 9:48 pm 9:48 pm
Kadee:
Yes, unfortunately you are almost correct. The republican party has been made up of liberals for the past 15 years. The funny part is, liberals whine and hate Bush and Mcain not being smart enough to realize, they are both really democrats who rode the republican ticket. I just laugh my butt off every time I hear a democrat complain about it, they are mocking themselves andare too self-centered and stupid to realize it.
I pray for the day we get our next Richard Nixon or Ronal Reagan. In fact, I would love to see Obama elected. I want democrats aross the country to eat their own crow. I want to hear their whining, I want them to see the mess Peloski and a liberal president can make. I want 35% of liberals paychecks going to taxes to support illegal mexicans, I want them to see what happens when “evil big oil” is taxed to death as penalty for making 7% profit and refuse to invest anymore because of it, I want liberals to see what will CONTINUE to happen to the price of foodstuffs as we force even more of this ethanol farse and subsidize it, I have a lot more but I’ll save it. You are sheep, you are falling for thelies, the truth really sucks, yone day you will have to face it and it won’t be pretty. I just can’t wait.
Posted by: DaveR | April 6, 2008, 9:48 pm 9:48 pm
The Clintons big charitable donations were to…THEMSELVES!! Ha Ha.
How does Bill make the bucks? Fatcat billionaires, Saudi and otherwise, support his “speaking engagements”. So he has to speak for an hour here and there and they pay him a million dollars a month. Yes, that is how much money the Clintons are making these days.
All those fools out there who want to vote for HRC in the General Election…hello, wake up and smell the coffee.
McCain will let all that hot air out of her hypocrisy
Posted by: jed | April 6, 2008, 9:48 pm 9:48 pm
Clinton still look to Mark Penn for “advice.”
Posted by: jbate | April 6, 2008, 9:55 pm 9:55 pm
For those of you who keep harping about Rev. Wright why don’t you educate yourself. Fisrt, listen to the entire sermon and not just the snippets played over and over again on Fox. Next do a bit of research into MLK’s message. He was preaching the exact same things and he is considered an icon. In fact, he had, in his pocket when he was assassianted a sermon that said God was going to send America to hell… for its treatment of minorities.
Next, if you want to believe that Clinton did not know what Mark Penn was doing and saying to the Columbians then I would like you to research what HRC did when NAFTA was being pushed by WJC’s Whitehouse vs what she says now. It’s kind of like the Bosnia story… and the phoney pregnant lady story.. The list goes on and on and on. This woman has a future in writing fairy tales because it is apparent that she wouldn’t know the truth if it smacked her in the face.
If you Clintonites want to continue to delude yourself and believe that HRC can do ANYTHING as a president, I would caution you to remember this….
Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive. It looks like her 35 years of experience (cough, cough) is finally catching up with her…
Too Bad… So Sad… I wouldn’t vote for her for dogcatcher.
Posted by: Cindy, in Seattle | April 6, 2008, 9:59 pm 9:59 pm
Notice how FOX is keeping Rev Wright in the news for McCain and Karl Rove. And how ABC is doing it for the Clintons. Most Americans do not see this as a team effort by both the Clinton and McCain camps.
I think Karl Rove, McCain and the Clintons are working together on Obama. They want to get rid of him they know he does not play by there rules. They know Obama is a threat to the way Washington has been doing business for the last 50 years. Obama gets more and more death threats every day from what I hear. They will continue you to attack him not directly but by others. This way The Clintons and McCain they can keep there hands clean. Sean Hannity of Fox wants to destroy Obama he is doing the bidding for Karl Rove. FOX will report as much negative stuff on Obama as they can. They want Hillary to win they are going to try and kill Obama”s chances. FOX will continue to run this story though for as long as they can.
They know he has a good shot of wining in November, this tag team arrangement will be exposed to the public real soon. McCain has the biggest problem it is the economy and Iraq. If anything, and I mean anything goes wrong with either one of these issues McCain is done.
Posted by: smash | April 6, 2008, 10:05 pm 10:05 pm
How can Mr. Nice Guy have so many mean nasty people supporting him? If he wins the nomination, because of your callous remarks about hillary – your venom and vile – most women who support her will not support Obama. I gave money to him, John Edwards and Hillary when this all began. After the debates, I became committed to Hillary. But I would’ve voted for Obama if this had been handled right. But it hasn’t. You want all Hillary supporters to hate Obama – keep up your hateful rants and you ensure they will not support him in the general. and you need us to win. if all you want is the party nomination, you can possibly get there without us or despite us BUT if you want the general election victory – start being nice. you are so foolish, you are shooting yourselves in the foot.
Posted by: dcordes | April 6, 2008, 10:09 pm 10:09 pm
Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive…Obama.
Posted by: lois | April 6, 2008, 10:09 pm 10:09 pm
To Cindy in Seattle. The story about the pregnant lady that died really did die. Do you think that is funny or something? This is a story she was told by a sheriff in Ohio. How would a story that happens everday in America make Hillary look better. The point is something needs to be done about healthcare. I guess you are too stupid to understand that.
Posted by: Cindy | April 6, 2008, 10:17 pm 10:17 pm
I cannot wait to hear how the Clinton campaign puts a positive spin on this one. As an aside, both Obama and Clinton spoke in Montana this weekend. Obama spoke at 10 AM in Missoula. Crowds began gathering outside the 8,000 seat arena the night before. The venue was completely full when Obama spoke and the overflow crowd, estimated in the thousands, was seated in the outdoor football stadium. (the temperature was in the high 20′s) After finishing his speech indoors, Obama went to the stadium and spoke to those who could not fit in the arena. On Sunday, Hillary spoke in Missoula as well. Her venue was an airplane hanger. There were no lines. People who attended (hundreds, not thousands) were able to drive up to the hanger, park, and stroll in without waiting. Montana is a state which is over 98% white. Interesting that the huge swell of support is for Barak Obama. Bottom line: Hillary is all but finished.
Posted by: dano | April 6, 2008, 10:18 pm 10:18 pm
Okay, considering as most of these posts are ridiculous, thank goodness most of America does not come near the blogs.
But I’ve gotta ask omentum: is your name a play on “momentum” or were you doing a very clever use of ‘intestinal fortitude’ and knew that the omentum covers the intestines?
If the latter, very subtle and points for the creativity.
Everybody, take a deep breath and relax. Read through the posts with new eyes. This whole thing has gotten comical.
Posted by: MIguy | April 6, 2008, 10:19 pm 10:19 pm
Looks like he’s bailing out on a sinking ship before he’s forced to in a few weeks anyway!
Posted by: dgfiit | April 6, 2008, 10:20 pm 10:20 pm
My My, How did we ever hold an election before Internet and Websites ???
Posted by: Kurt | April 6, 2008, 10:25 pm 10:25 pm
@omentum: hilarious anyway, thanks for the laugh although unintended. those anatomy classes do have a way of causing flashbacks…
Posted by: MIguy | April 6, 2008, 10:26 pm 10:26 pm
@Kurt:
Seems that people take themselves way too seriously on here. These blogs are useful for people to vent it seems…
Posted by: MIguy | April 6, 2008, 10:28 pm 10:28 pm
MIguy
I am voting for Obama. We need one heck of a change in Washington. However, if Clinton somehow manages to win, I would vote for her. Why? Because someday, I want to be able to look at my children in their eyes and say that I did the best that I could to make this place better for their generation. I believe in this country and want to make it better. I hope everyone calms down and consideres this themselves.
Posted by: Sara | April 6, 2008, 10:30 pm 10:30 pm
Was Penn really fired? Seems like the firm is still employed, so they’ll still be getting a paycheck. The campaign didn’t really seem to have a strategy of late, so he wasn’t much of a chief strategist. I think most of Senator Clinton’s ardent supporters will be happy he is gone and have been calling for his removal since Iowa (didn’t you post this sentiment earlier, Dogsoldier?)
Posted by: MIguy | April 6, 2008, 10:32 pm 10:32 pm
@Sara:
I think (and the polls suggest) that you are in the majority. Most Clinton/Obama supporters will back whoever wins. Now I’m not saying not to give John McCain a chance, but he’s going to need some good ideas to win rather than ‘stay the course’.
Posted by: MIguy | April 6, 2008, 10:34 pm 10:34 pm
Twigster, I know. I am just saying look at this charity and what it does.
Posted by: lois | April 6, 2008, 10:36 pm 10:36 pm
Jaybird…..huh??
That’s just crazytalk.
Posted by: Twigster | April 6, 2008, 10:36 pm 10:36 pm
@jaybird:
hahaha – I thought Bill Clinton was the first “black president”. So, if Senator Obama wins the whole enchilada, he’d be the second. And yes, not “all black”, but he is a distant relative of several presidents.
Posted by: MIguy | April 6, 2008, 10:38 pm 10:38 pm
hillary has gotten plenty good media coverage, im sure if obamas campaign was coming up with scandal after scandal like this, the media would have been calling for him to step aside, the clintons own the media in this country, and i believe she is in league with mccain to take obama down, what a shame when she says mccain would make a better president than obama, democrats should be out raged by that statement!!! please hillary step aside and end your campaign!
Posted by: jacobs | April 6, 2008, 10:39 pm 10:39 pm
Clinton has been screwing up a lot lately, she was under sniper fire, Now this Penn thing, help me understand something isn’t this posting all about Clinton, so why is the topic about Clinton Chief Strategist Pushed Out, so why are so many of you posting about Obama.
Posted by: bikeman | April 6, 2008, 10:39 pm 10:39 pm
@heyyou:
That’s why I say not to take what people write on here seriously. People hide behind their anonymity to say dumb things. Without accountability, there is no way to say who those people actually support. Consider for just a moment that maybe some of those posting these things are Republicans trying to antagonize you.
Posted by: MIguy | April 6, 2008, 10:42 pm 10:42 pm
yeah so the clintons gave 10 million to charity- their charity!!! and yes im sure they reaped some huge tax benefits for that, they gave to their charity to beef it up, as people could smell the fraud and avoided it, when they start to giving to other charities besides their own for tax benefits, then maybe we may have a story, bunch of liers!!!
Posted by: jacobs | April 6, 2008, 10:42 pm 10:42 pm
@Fred:
No disrespect, but don’t you think that Jesus was probably darker in complexion than the blond-haired, blue eyed Jesus typically depicted? Of course this has nothing to do with the topic of this blog, but just an observation.
Posted by: MIguy | April 6, 2008, 10:46 pm 10:46 pm
obama will reply fire for fire to the republicans if they are dumb enough to bring up wright!!! what about them destroying our economy??? war??? what about the crazy pastor whose endorsement mccain sought? who said that gays were responsible for 9/11!!!or that catholics are whores? bring it on repubs its fire for fire this nov!!!
Posted by: jacobs | April 6, 2008, 10:47 pm 10:47 pm
heyyou—I was a woman before I was an Obama supporter. I find that term offensive. Whoever said that needs to step off.
Posted by: Twigster | April 6, 2008, 10:49 pm 10:49 pm
@kerry:
wow – quite a post, but nobody reads the long cut/pastes. you should really fact check some of those points because they are half-truths and misleading. Look, I’m not proclaiming any candidate to be a saint. I think it’s very funny that some of you expect them to be. Worse, you expect their associates/colleagues/friends/relatives/apets to be beatified as well.
Posted by: MIguy | April 6, 2008, 10:50 pm 10:50 pm
It is hard for me to get my mind wrapped around the idea there are people who can possibly believe Hillary would make a good president. How???? What does she stand for???Do we believe now or yesterday???? How can so many people be duped like this????? How????? Are they so used to being told what to believe they can’t look anything up???? Where is their memory from Arkansas years and the White House years???? That half white baby from your little girl was an accident!!! I did not have sexual relations with “that” girl. I do not know how those stolen files got into my office!!! I didn’t support NAFTA!!! I misspoke over and over about sniper fire!!! I understand how it feels to be poor and on food stamps!!! You can’t blame me because I got rich cheating you.
Posted by: butterfly3344 | April 6, 2008, 10:51 pm 10:51 pm
hillary paid campaign staffers on this blog, your lies and filth will never work, you post items that seem like fact, but are actually taken from karl roves playbook which is hillarys play book as well, her campaign will crash, implode and end before the april 22, pennsylvania vote!
Posted by: jacobs | April 6, 2008, 10:51 pm 10:51 pm
Here in Ohio, when an Obama economic advisor had a discusion with Canadian officals, All Hell broke loose!!
At no point during this Firestorm did Mark Penn think maybe he was involved in a conflict of intrest??
The laughable part of the scandel here in Ohio is – Canada is NOT the problem!! Canadian workers aren’t driving down our wages!!
But NAFTA, CAFTA, and eventually SAFTA (South American Free Trade Agreement) is an inevitability.
The Clintons are just a nicer face on the exact same One World policies.
One day, America will be in a real war of survival not a corporate cash-cow war. $1.5 trillion to take down terrorists? Suckers are born everyday!!
China and Russia have spheres of influence that are growing rapidly, eventually their national interests and our national interests will collide.
And only then will we realize that outsourcing our manufacturing to China, when we are at war with China isn’t so smart.
(Hot War, Cold War, or Economic War)
Posted by: truth-2-power | April 6, 2008, 10:53 pm 10:53 pm
Does everyone remember Mark Penn as the obese slob that smeared Barack Obama with the cocaine use charges AFTER Obama wrote about it in his memoirs? Porker Penn deserves his fate and worse. He is the slime in the gutter that defines the Clinton campaign.
Posted by: MICHIGAN | April 6, 2008, 10:55 pm 10:55 pm
@kerry:
Your point is that politicians do what politicians do. Which candidate won’t listen to lobbyists? None. Special interests? None. Why? Because lobbyists and special interests are the collective voices of different classes of people (like the AARP). So if you support a candidate, I would highlighting the positive attributes of your candidate.
Posted by: MIguy | April 6, 2008, 10:56 pm 10:56 pm
you can critize, olberman and chris all you want, at least they are noble Americans and passionate about the country and dont like to be lied to in your face like some of you hillary supporters!!!
Posted by: jacobs | April 6, 2008, 10:59 pm 10:59 pm
This bunch of liars is simply amazing! I still can’t believe people actually vote for these losers to lead this country. No wonder we have Bush, Clinton, Bush and we’re trying to elect another Clinton??? Why, do we desire a king or something? Perhaps a family dynasty? Is Clinton’s daughter or Jeb Bush next in line for the throne? This country is in very serious economic trouble and suffering from declining living standards everyday…. We desperately need different and better leaders. I’m sick of it already! No more Bush’s and no more Clinton’s, ever! Their family’s and all descendants should be banned from running permanently. Anyone dumb enough to vote for a Bush or Clinton should be treated for mental illness and banned from voting until they recover their normal thought processes. Micky Mouse is starting to look good in this race and much smarter too!
Posted by: Stephen Clark | April 6, 2008, 11:00 pm 11:00 pm
@kerry:
I’m not disagreeing with you on those things. I’m also not disparaging Senator Clinton for her embellishments. We’ll hear about Senator McCain’s too in good order. What I am saying is that none of them are saints and we all have a preference. Are you arguing that Senator Obama has more embellishments than Senator Clinton? Unfortunately, her track record of late has been more striking. I think a better argument would be that she is exercising good judgment to distance herself from Mark Penn. Not sure why it took her so long, but that’s her call.
Posted by: MIguy | April 6, 2008, 11:02 pm 11:02 pm
she makes me wanna hurl!!!
Posted by: jacobs | April 6, 2008, 11:03 pm 11:03 pm
“you can critize, olberman and chris all you want, at least they are noble Americans and passionate about the country and dont like to be lied to in your face like some of you hillary supporters!!!”
Give me a break. They are no different from Oreily. Just on the opposite of the political spectrum.
Posted by: politicsIsdirty | April 6, 2008, 11:08 pm 11:08 pm
@Akitisha:
Wow – what nice things we have to say about fellow Americans. My guess is you are trying to fuel the fire; we’ll see if it works.
Posted by: MIguy | April 6, 2008, 11:10 pm 11:10 pm
Bye bye Mark Penn. Bye bye Hillary. Bye bye corruption and power mongers. Let’s hope. Let’s change.
Posted by: DCVoter | April 6, 2008, 11:12 pm 11:12 pm
Hillary Clinton, the 44th President of the United States of America. God Bless America, not GD America, as the Obamanation followers are use to hearing.
Posted by: Art | April 6, 2008, 11:12 pm 11:12 pm
@kerry:
Not sure why you are directing this at me. I’m not saying she should exit the campaign. I actually think that having her in it will make the eventual nominee stronger. I do believe that they should lay off each other a bit and ratchet things up against McCain – their two voices to his one could be a good thing for democrats.
Posted by: MIguy | April 6, 2008, 11:14 pm 11:14 pm
Hillary Clinton couldn’t run a popcorn stand, much less a campaign. This kind of experience disqualifies her as president.
Now all these people being chucked out better be careful that they don’t commit suicide, shot in the back of the head.
Posted by: John | April 6, 2008, 11:16 pm 11:16 pm
Oh no, the DCVoter imposter shows up again. The shenanigans are starting up again and this blog is being hijacked by people having their fun.
Oh well, it was a fun night. Have a great time everyone. Adios…
Posted by: MIguy | April 6, 2008, 11:17 pm 11:17 pm
HAHAHAHAH, HILLARY CLINTON,,,,IM SORRY TO TELL U THAT ITS ALL OVER FOR U. CAN’T U SEE? THE SHIP IS SINKING, AND IT’S TOO LITTLE TO LATE!
HILLARY SUPPORTERS, ITS TIME WE RALLY BEHIND OUR NOMINEE, BARACK OBAMA, AND MAKE HIM PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
IF HILLARY CANNOT CONTROL HER CAMPAIGN, THERS’S NO WAY SHE CAN RUN THE WHITE HOUSE!
Posted by: cassidywilly | April 6, 2008, 11:22 pm 11:22 pm
I am so sick of the Obamabots. The more you say the more I will not vote this Fall. You are never satisfied with anything that Clinton does. You have been harping about her Tax Returns and now that she has released them you are still not happy. You say will support Clinton until the end. That is not true. What is true is I will not support a candidate who “inspires” his followers to be so nasty all of the time. I won’t vote for either candidate. The Obamabots have only themselves to blame when McCain wins in the fall.
Posted by: Iren | April 6, 2008, 11:30 pm 11:30 pm
Obama is losing support here in Florida. If our delegates are not counted, our vote will count for McCain. There are two choices for the democrats: allow FL and MI and then Hillary wins the nomination or not count FL and MI and maybe Obama wins the nomination and loses the election. If FL and MI are not counted, both states will go republican. Hillary is the only hope for the democrats.
Posted by: Johnny m | April 6, 2008, 11:31 pm 11:31 pm
I see these lines in the dialog between Ickes and Penn – bother terrible people – telling each other [expletive] you. The people who want Hillary are hoping that Bill will come back and expletive them. Little do they realize that has already happened to them. Terrible people surrounded by more terrible people who are on the payroll of terrible people.
Who is paying Bill the 15M and who paid for the Clinton library?
Posted by: disambiguates | April 6, 2008, 11:31 pm 11:31 pm
This is going to be a long hot summer it is really sad to see the hate on this page fired by the media who just reproted earnings in the 300million’s since January do you think they want it to stop . As a wise man once said trust no man and that can be said of anyone in power.
Posted by: Bishop | April 6, 2008, 11:32 pm 11:32 pm
So Mark Penn moves from chief campaign advisor to poll and strategy advisor on an “arms length basis”…comedy…why hasn’t the Dem. party called this race over???? If the numbers were reversed Obama would be campaigning for Hillary’s presidential candidacy before Texas…
Posted by: john | April 6, 2008, 11:34 pm 11:34 pm
Dont worry hillary sour kool aid drinkers, mccain will never win in Nov, we love this Country way too much to let that happen, dont worry cheer up, i know you are disappointed in your candidate, we all are we expected better, but i guess this is a learning experience for us all, when a clintons lips are moving, they are LYING!!!
Posted by: jacobs | April 6, 2008, 11:34 pm 11:34 pm
Hillary done the right thing, I only wish Obama and the not-so-good Rev. Wright would follow the same path…
Posted by: jose | April 6, 2008, 11:35 pm 11:35 pm
I see a qualified, knowledgeable and capable candidate ready to get our country back on track. It’s been 7 years of huge debts, wars and disregard of the constitution. If you want real change your looking at her!!!
Posted by: Josh | April 6, 2008, 11:36 pm 11:36 pm
GOD BLESS OBAMA AND HIS CAMPAIGN. INSPITE OF ALLL THE CRUELTY THE WORLD SPEAKS OUT AGAINST HIM. GO OBAMA
Posted by: Wanda | April 6, 2008, 11:37 pm 11:37 pm
ALL THESE HILLARY CLINTON SUPPORTERS SHOULD ALL SURRENDER, ADN REALIZE THAT TIME IS UP!
SHE HAS TO GET OUT! JUST WAIT AND SEE HOW MANY SUPERDELEGATES WILL SWITCH SIDE FOR OBAMA TOMORROW MORNING!
AND ALL OF YOU WRITING LIES ABOUT OBAMA, U ALL WILL BE SHOCKED, WHEN OBAMA WILL BE INOGURATED AS THE NEXT AMERICAN PRESIDENT
SO U ALL SHOULD STOP TELLING LIES ABOUT OBAMA
WE ALL KNOW OBAMA IS GOING TO WIN
HILLARY IS SO DESPERATE, UNTIL SHE IS THINKING ABOUT GOING AFTER OBAMA’S PLEGED DELEGATES. SHE IS SOOOOO SEPERATE
HILLARY SHOULD QUIT THE RACE, THE SHIP IS SINKING, AND ALL HER STAFFERS ARE RUNING OUT.
SHE IS GOING TO SINK WITH BILL !!!!!!!
Posted by: cassidywilly | April 6, 2008, 11:37 pm 11:37 pm
@ Kerry
Sad to say, but you are correct!
The thought of that Rev. Wright in the White House makes me sick…
Posted by: Malcom | April 6, 2008, 11:39 pm 11:39 pm
It’s so funno how Obama supporters say choosing Penn shows an error in judgment and reflects her executive abilities… But when Barack stays in the church of someone who says such hateful things for 20 years, and then has him participate in the Obama campaign it is ok… You guys should choose sides…. Or look at things objectivly…
One thing I have learnd from this election is that some people accept the mistakes that their candidates make and move on… while others believe their candidate is perfect….
I would be happy if Obama supporters just looked at some of the stuff out their on Obama and realize he is not perfect…
Posted by: AJ | April 6, 2008, 11:39 pm 11:39 pm
Obama will be the next President of the United States, all you hillary supporters in the end will vote for obama which is the logical and right thing to do “for your country” to save it from complete destruction by the ruling party, and even if you dont, this year the non-traditional voters, people who have never cared to vote, and dont belong to any party,will be voting and voting obama in!!! they love this country and would save it, even if you wont!!! join the team for a better America!!!
Posted by: jacobs | April 6, 2008, 11:40 pm 11:40 pm
cassidywilly:
have you been taking your medication? I actually bought a pet rock when it was the fad, some years ago. I threw it out because it was useless. Save your self the embarrassment, vote Hillary.
Posted by: Mallory | April 6, 2008, 11:43 pm 11:43 pm
jacobs – was the KOOL-AID good?
Posted by: Miguel | April 6, 2008, 11:45 pm 11:45 pm
Johnny m
I’m afraid Obama is one step ahead of the Hillary camp again. (What else is new?)
When this process nears its end he WILL let FLA and MICH count!!
If she doesn’t start blowing him out, she will still lose the popular vote even you count the uncontested FLA and MICH primary numbers.
He will then say that even though he didn’t compete in FLA and MICH, Hillary should still get those delegates and pop vote numbers added to her total.
He won’t have to face actually losing those states in contested elections, yet their outcomes will not change the final result.
Obama still wins!!
Posted by: truth-2-power | April 6, 2008, 11:47 pm 11:47 pm
some hillary supporters are stealing my words and twisting em around for their candidate hillary, remind you of someone??? their candidate, hillary, she spins,spins,spins, outright lies,lies,lies, its a shame that ya’ll cant come up with any original thoughts, hillary campaign staffers cmon, try harder!!! obama 08!
Posted by: jacobs | April 6, 2008, 11:53 pm 11:53 pm
hilliers go to bed and come up with better lies and spin tomorrow!!! thats all ya’ll are good at!!!
Posted by: jacobs | April 6, 2008, 11:55 pm 11:55 pm
cassidywilly, jacobs – you two clowns remind me of Obama, lots of words, no substance. Enjoy the Kool-aid. Is this a part-time job, working for Obama, are you paid in American or Syrian currency?
Posted by: martha | April 7, 2008, 12:02 am 12:02 am
thx “cassidywilly”i dont know why these hillary supporters are so brain washed and think that everything is peachy in this country! we need change real bad!!!80,000 jobs lost in march!!! yikes!!! we need to protect this country we love so much by voting out these bums who have run our economy almost aground by enriching themselves,hillary supporters can vote for mccain, i promise you in the general election, the republicans are split and half dont like mccain, they would be voting for obama, and all those new voters, obama wil win by a landslide mccain doesnt have a leg to stand on this nov! Americans are mad as hell at the republicans and even republicans out of shame will abandone their disgraced party this fall!!! all aboard the obama train!
Posted by: jacobs | April 7, 2008, 12:04 am 12:04 am
“I’m shocked, shocked, that there is lobbying for Nafta going on here!”
Casablanca (White House).
April Fools – HRC’s supporters!
Posted by: GlennO | April 7, 2008, 12:07 am 12:07 am
To the Obama followers, how can you endorse a person that supported a so-called minister like Rev. Wright. You are, who you assciate with. I can no longer support Barak, he preaches unite and change, but now we know different.
Posted by: Mark P. | April 7, 2008, 12:08 am 12:08 am
The Obama train, it is now becoming the soul train. Rev. Wright is the light at the end of the tunnel.
Posted by: Akitisha | April 7, 2008, 12:11 am 12:11 am
the end is near!
Posted by: jacobs | April 7, 2008, 12:15 am 12:15 am
Obama has failed to demonstrate change through out his career. In his state assembly position in Illinois, he was the master of dirty politics and used mulsim/Resko money to support his political ambitions. Obama’s resume: Resko, Rev. Wright, Ayres, Auchi, PLO, Malcom X, Black Panthers, and Farrakhan. Is this the “CHANGE” you want ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Posted by: carlson | April 7, 2008, 12:17 am 12:17 am
when bill richardson endorsed obama, the writing was on the wall!!! the end is near for her campaign!!! ill let you hillapumpkins do the math!lol!
Posted by: jacobs | April 7, 2008, 12:18 am 12:18 am
Jacobs, you want REAL CHANGE, perhaps you should look at a more transparent candidate, one who is critizized a million times mor ethan Obama and only in the general election will all of his faults floating around in the blogshpere come out. The republicans will whip him.
What change is he going to bring? His is a politician, I will give him he is better at hiding that fact than anyone in recent memory. But a politician none the less.
If you want change, vote for someone who CAN get things done…
Posted by: AJ | April 7, 2008, 12:19 am 12:19 am
Penns business interests were in conflict with Hillary Clintons view, she disagreed with the bush admin’ wanting to put more jobs out of US…So you really shoulds get your facts correct, otherwise you just sound as crazed as WRIGHT!
Posted by: Di | April 7, 2008, 12:20 am 12:20 am
truth-2-power: Just the facts. Hillary has won most of the democratic states. When FL and MI are counted, this will almost tie the deligates. Hillary will win in PA, IN, KY and WV. Hillary will be the nominee. We can not support Obama, he is inexperienced and has too much luggage. McCain and Karl Rove will eat his lunch. If your a true democrat and intelligent, you will vote for Hillary, our next president.
Posted by: Johnny m | April 7, 2008, 12:24 am 12:24 am
,………….HER KOOL-AID CUP RUNNETH OVER!
Posted by: jbate | April 7, 2008, 12:28 am 12:28 am
What a treat for me to read all the posts from so many ignorant Obama supporters who can neither spell nor write. I had a good laugh reading about how charitable donations were tax deductions as if that were a revelation.
Duh, nearly all charitable donations are tax deductable, idiot. LOL. God, all this inspirational good will is going to kill us.
Posted by: democraticjack | April 7, 2008, 12:35 am 12:35 am
To Cindy from Cindy in Seattle: I KNOW the woman died. I never implied it was funny. READ the news. (you have most certainly helped me make my point that Clintonites don’t bother with any independent fact finding but are only content in believing what HRC says)
Clinton has pulled this story from her campaign speech because she has since found out from the hospital (who, she should have gone to in the first place if she wanted the facts) that the woman was never denied healthcare AND in fact the woman HAD insurance. This was a point in case as to how HRC spins a story. AND to those of you who say that she got the story from a sheriff so that is the excuse for repeating the story as factual because if you can’t believe the law then… WELL I for one expect a bit more from someone who wants to be CIC. She is all about “vetting” will why didn’t she “vet” this story before she repeated it? I can tell you why… it didn’t serve her purpose.
Now she is claiming that she didn’t know what Mark Penn has been lobbying for? Give me a break… Penn has been with Billery since BC’s relection campaign. Further more it appears that she didn’t really “fire” Penn as news accounts would suggest… He is still going to be her pollster and offer campaign advise. (Duh, so they took away the title while letting him keep on doing exactly what he has been doing the entire campaign.)
NOW how about Hillary “vetting” Maggie Williams? Ms Williams was on the board of a now bankrupt subprime lender who targeted low income persons in urban areas (read minorities who are poor), saddled them with mortgates that averaged 14.13% and then they foreclosed on approximately 3 in 5 of those mortgages. HRC better get rid of Ms Williams before she goes spouting off about how she wants to “stem” the rate of foreclosures – 100′s of which were put in motion by her own campaign chief.
So Cindy, have you heard enough? I assure you I have plenty more of the FACTS. All you have to do is educate yourself.
P.S. Want a good read? Why not google Peter Paul v Clinton. That will rock your socks as it lays out what is possibly the largest campaign fundraising fraud in the history of the US… and who would have committed this alleged crime? Well, the answer would be Bill and Hillary.
Posted by: Cindy in Seattle | April 7, 2008, 12:35 am 12:35 am
Johnny m
Unless she wins all those states in blowout fashion, she won’t catch him in delegates.
And theirs no gurantee she will win those states.
Why are you so sure Hillary can beat the republicans, when she can’t even beat a previously unknown junior Senator with Hussein in his name??
Karl Rove already told you she’s a fatally flawed candidate. Her negatives are too high.
The reason Pelosi and so many congressmen are with Obama is because even if he loses, he helps congressmen in districts all over the nation.
Espesially with an unmotivated Republican party.
Hillary could lose and take a bunch of congressmen and women with her!!
Posted by: truth-2-power | April 7, 2008, 12:40 am 12:40 am
cassidywilly: Obama must pay you a lot of money for all that manure you are spreading. I will never vote for a hypocrite, like Obama. I feel sorry for you, if you can’t see throught this empty suit with hollow words. If Rev. Wright didn’t open your eyes, then the Kool-aid has done it’s job. Remember, actions speak louder than words. Did you vote for Bush, when he was for “change”?
Posted by: Johnny m | April 7, 2008, 12:57 am 12:57 am
Cindy in Seattle: I have researched him; read my post directly above. Cindy, how much do you know about black liberation theology? How much do you know about Rev. Wright and James Cone (his theological mentor)? Why don’t you tell me how many of Cone’s books you’ve read, so that we may have an intelligent discussion of Rev. Wright’s black liberation theology. I’ll be waiting.
Posted by: Fred | April 7, 2008, 12:58 am 12:58 am
Cindy in Seattle:
An excellent post!
Posted by: jbate | April 7, 2008, 1:00 am 1:00 am
Penn isn’t quitting. Check the details….he’s staying on to do the polling and stuff.
This whole ‘news spin’ is contrived to distract form her free trade sell out and her tax returns.
I think it’s criminal that working people contribute to Hillarys campaign only to see 10.8 million dollars of it go to pay Mark Penn who then lobbys for foreign governments to outsource American jobs.
Posted by: Dennis in Spokane | April 7, 2008, 1:06 am 1:06 am
JOHNNY M
WHAT IF OBAMA PAYS ME FOR THIS? IM SURE YOUR TALKING BECAUSE HILLARY DOES NOT EVEN HAVE THE MONEY TO PAY YOU!
HILLARY IS A LIAR, THIS BOSNIA STORY HAS OPENED AMERICA;S EYES, AND THEY NOW KNOW THAT SHE IS A LIAR, SHE HAS BEING EXPOSED, THATS WHY SHE FEELS SO FRUSTRATED, UNTIL SHE’S TALKING ABOUT GOING AFTER OBAMA’S PLEGED DELEGATES.
HILLARY’S LIES AND HIPOCRACY ARE COMING HOME TO ROOST!!!!!!!!!!!1
SHE WILL LOOSE THIS ELECTION INFRONT OF YOUR EYES!!!!!
WELL SHE HAS ALREADY LOST.
KOOL-AID HILLARY, THAT WON’T WORK.
Posted by: cassidywilly | April 7, 2008, 1:07 am 1:07 am
Hey Richard, does that mean you want things to stay just the way they are?
Posted by: Twigster | April 7, 2008, 1:09 am 1:09 am
Obama nuts, would you take your children to hear Rev. Wright sermon? Would this be good judgement to have your children attend Rev. Wright’s sermon? Enough said…
Posted by: William K. | April 7, 2008, 1:15 am 1:15 am
So Hillary’s wealth of experience(or is it just plain old wealth) led her to choose Penn as her chief lobbyist, I mean strategist. Great choice. She also vowed this weekend that no states will be overlooked in this election. Going forward I guess. Might have helped to employ that strategy from the get go. She accuses Obama of dirty politics when he intimates that she may have an honesty issue. Ummm, I think he may have been justified in pointing that out. It’s becoming difficult to believe anything she says at this point. She did learn from the best in the business though, her husband. Putting herself ahead of her party, she says McCain is ready to be POTUS but not Obama. She tried this weekend to say that Obama will be another George W. Bush. Nothing dirty about that. Obama is not perfect and he is not too big to say that. He can actually admit to mistakes. McCain has the same characteristics and has shown humility throughout his career. Hillary just misspeaks and can never admit a mistake because in her mind she has never made one. She’s the one who is actually most like W. Bring on Obama vs. McCain and let the Clintons enjoy their hundreds of millions of dollars and each others company.
Posted by: Joe Jacques | April 7, 2008, 1:15 am 1:15 am
Obama fans, please google the Clinton Foundation and the Clinton Global Initiative and see what remarkable work Bill Clinton has done since leaving office. Perhaps you could send to Reverend Wright the part about the CGI and its partners, such as the Melinda and Bill Gates Foundation, pledging close to $300 million for improving education and health outcomes for children in Asia and AFRICA. I wish just once one Obama fan would criticize Hillary Clinton on her economic policies, her plan to get us out of Iraq, her health care plan, something concrete. You can’t, so you just spew forth the garbage on this blog. How sad.
Posted by: Grammy Barb | April 7, 2008, 1:17 am 1:17 am
Let’s face it – she NEVER had a chance. It was only a matter of time before the “Clinton Baggage” caught up with her. If ANYONE else (Obama, McCain, Bush) tried to claim or get away with what the Clintons have over the last 15 years, they would have NEVER gotten as far as she did. Only reason she hung around as long as she did is BECAUSE she was a Clinton, and they were the Gods of the Democratic Party and the darlings of the media. Now that there is a new kid in town, and once they are gone, they will be forgotten and thrown under the bus (which they deserve) as fast as they came.
Let’s face it – she NEVER had a chance. It was Smoke and Mirrors for the last year – I’m just surprised it took this long to finally catch up to her.
Again – ANYONE else with the Clinton track record would have been a laughing stock.
As President, he inherited an economy on the rise and left an economy on the declines; he was SOFT on terrorism (only met with his CIA Director 3 times in 8 years); and he flat out lied over and over and over again – hell, his National Security advisor was CAUGHT STEALING documents from the national archives and stuffing them in his pants – all he got was disbarred and a fine. Can you IMAGINE of Condi Rice or anyone else had done that – they’d STILL be calling for investigations.
But he had the best character assasins in the business (Begala and Carville), and they were able to get away with things that NO ONE else could.
Yup – just surprised it took THIS long to catch up to them. As soon as she she ends this fiasco, the Clintons will be written off, and the media (and the rest of the country) will breathe a big sigh of relief and move one now that they no longer have to fear the tirants of Center Stage.
Posted by: Chris | April 7, 2008, 1:17 am 1:17 am
About time she got rid of him. Hopefully she gets a refund.
Posted by: Mack | April 7, 2008, 1:18 am 1:18 am
THE CLINTONS AND THE TRUTH ARE COMPLETE AND TOTAL STRANGERS!
Posted by: jbate | April 7, 2008, 1:21 am 1:21 am
Cindy in Seattle: America is also about every citizen having the right to vote,so why is Barack Obama doing everything he can to disenfranchise the voters in Michigan and Florida?
Posted by: Grammy Barb | April 7, 2008, 1:23 am 1:23 am
Mack:
Sorry to inform you that Hillary did NOT get rid of MARK PENN; he is still on her payroll as an adviser. He is no longer her chief campaign strategist.
Posted by: jbate | April 7, 2008, 1:24 am 1:24 am
Twigster: No, when Hillary is elected, things will change for the better. Remember when Bill cleaned up the Bush mess? The Clinton administration was one of the best periods in American history. We had good employment, surplus in the budget, and the USA was admired throughout the world. Why do you think President Clinton is in high demand all over the world to visit and give speeches.
Posted by: Richard | April 7, 2008, 1:28 am 1:28 am
Grammybarb, I do have a criticism on Hillary’s economic plan. Most economists say that giving a freeze on mortgage rate would just make everything much much worse. Because eventually the freeze would have to be lifted and the market would respond by trying to adjust for the time that it had to take that hit….interest would be compounded for the time of the freeze at the rate that it should have been. We are talking double digit interest rates in the end.
I’m not complainging…I’m just saying.
Posted by: Twigster | April 7, 2008, 1:28 am 1:28 am
As Karl Rove stated; The idea of Rev. Wright in the white house will stop Obama from winning the election, if he is nominated.
Posted by: Josh | April 7, 2008, 1:31 am 1:31 am
Grammy Barb:
I think you should know that it was Harold Ickes, Clinton’s campaign manager who headed the commission to strip Michigan of their delegates if they advanced their primary to January. So don’t blame Obama for the machinations of Hillary.
Posted by: jbate | April 7, 2008, 1:31 am 1:31 am
I seen the note Obama wrote about taking our guns away. This left wing liberal will not get my vote.
Art in west virgina
Posted by: Art | April 7, 2008, 1:41 am 1:41 am
I hate to tell you idiotic Obama supporters if 20% of Hillary supporters jump to McCain like some polls suggest Obama will lose by a landslide. I sure hope that doesn’t happen.
Posted by: MR | April 7, 2008, 1:42 am 1:42 am
@ Simon C.
Paying bloggers? No that’s where your donations to Hillary went.
That and those sway hotel rooms she rented in January. Now you guys have to pay her back that 5 million dollar loan.
Sounds like a winning strategy for someone who claims she can fix our economy…
Posted by: Twigster | April 7, 2008, 1:43 am 1:43 am
MR, does that mean you are facing reality and that Obama is the presumptive nominee?
You should talk to your candidate. I don’t think anybody told her.
Posted by: Twigster | April 7, 2008, 1:46 am 1:46 am
Hey DCvoter if a woman like Hillary would have come with the same credentials as Obama with only two yrs as a US Senator she would have been laughed out of here. I see a huge double standard here and you Obama supporters should be ridiculed.
Posted by: MR | April 7, 2008, 1:48 am 1:48 am
Art, McCain might let you keep your gun but will you keep your job, your retirement fund and your house?
He’s vowing to do nothing about the economy or the mortgage crisis. He says anyone who is losing their house its their fault. He wants to let the riches people continue to get those wafty tax cuts. And he wants us to keep fighting a war in an oil nation…ONE OF THE RICHEST NATIONS IN THE WORLD….WITH YOUR TAX DOLLARS!
And what will you have to show for it?
Your gun.
Posted by: Twigster | April 7, 2008, 1:51 am 1:51 am
Hey twigster are you facing reality that you candidate can’t win a single large state or swing state? Until Obama can accomplish that then he shouldn’t be the nominee plain and simple.
Posted by: MR | April 7, 2008, 1:52 am 1:52 am
Oh, he will win where he needs to win and he will win the GE. Americans are more savvy than people give them credit. They know that we cannot afford another 4 years of Bush policies.
People are pissed off now and I understand why, but in the end, they are not going to continue to fund this war (do you realize how much OIL Iraq has? Why aren’t they paying for it?) And they are not voting for do nothing on the economy McCain.
Posted by: Twigster | April 7, 2008, 1:59 am 1:59 am
The vitriol in the comments here is disgusting. Voting for a President is not about emotions, it’s about looking objectively at who would be best for the job. None of the candidates are perfect, but if you step back and look at it objectively, it’s very difficult to say that Hillary Clinton is a good choice for President.
Simply put, she made her experience the cornerstone of her campaign, yet when asked to cite that experience, almost every single example she gave was a lie. So on this first point, the objective conclusion is that she is a difficult person to put your trust in.
Secondly, her campaign has been managed horribly. They were completely unprepared to continue the campaign after Super Tuesday, and had blown tons of money on frivolous campaign expenses because of it. She’s had to retool her overall strategy a number of times. She’s had to replace her campaign manager, and now her chief strategist because of a blatant, and frankly, idiotic conflict of interests. She’s been completely unable to get a handle on her husband who has gone out on the trail and turned red while wagging his finger at seemingly anyone who dares contradict or challenge him. And all of this has taken her from being the “inevitable” nominee to being the highly unlikely nominee. So if Hillary is so unable to run a smooth campaign, why should we think she can run a whole country?
I’m also concerned about how she claims to value the voices of voters in upcoming primaries while simultaneously calling for pledged delegates to vote counter to the will of people who’ve already voted in previous primaries. And her concern for the voters of Michigan and Florida was non-existant until it became clear that they could help her.
Hillary has done a lot to divide the Democratic party in this nomination process. In a time when we desperately need a President that can bring the country together, Hillary is simply not qualified to be given the job.
Posted by: Sean | April 7, 2008, 2:27 am 2:27 am
This is so funny. All of us think that our comments really matter. Most of mainstream America never read these silly blogs.
Come on – get real. The media paint the exact picture of what we are supposed to believe. The internet era has meant that we really think that our own opinions matter. How many of us really think that ordinary people actually read our BS?? It is more about grand-standing and pounding our chests… Wake up!!!!
Posted by: Keith | April 7, 2008, 3:03 am 3:03 am
Quick,
Someone give James Carville a call.
Posted by: OhioNative | April 7, 2008, 3:55 am 3:55 am
Wrong Sean Obama is the one that has divided the Democratic Party. Hillary represents the base of the party and Obama is a Johnny come lately that has zero credentials yet you treat this fool like he’s already had 8 yrs in the white house and trashing the Clintons yrs with the greatest economy ever. You people are a disgrace and you are in for a very very rude awakening come November. And I will be right there to scorn you for giving Bush 4 more years. I will hunt you people down like dogs and point out that you are responsible for more blood shed in Iraq.
Posted by: MR | April 7, 2008, 4:12 am 4:12 am
A Concerned Citizen when are you idiotic right-wing hacks ever going to learn? Obama is a Christian. What part of that don’t you understand? The Chris or the tain. You probably still think Elvis is still alive. Wow these wacko right-wingers are hilarious.
Posted by: MR | April 7, 2008, 4:26 am 4:26 am
As an Obama supporter, I was saddened to learn of Mark Penn’s departure from the Clinton campaign. Who else could have squandered all of Sen. Clinton’s institutional advantages (not to mention the $200 million that somehow couldn’t pay for party platters) and crafted messages that were so far out of tune with where the voters are this year. Hopefully, he’ll land a job with the McCain campaign, thereby ensuring an Obama win in the fall…
Posted by: Paul F | April 7, 2008, 4:59 am 4:59 am
Just goes to show what we already knew, Hillary can’t run a campaign, her household or anything else and she can’t manage personnel. This is the second manager she’s canned this year, and we are only into April.
Posted by: John | April 7, 2008, 5:07 am 5:07 am
Hillay Clinton has become a laughing stock, and the rest of the world are seeing exactly what she is up to, and losing all respect for her. How Americans still could be thinking of electing this liar is beyond me! Bill Clinton, and Hillary Clinton, are two of a kind, totally full of it, and blatant liars!
Americans have seem to forget that BOTH of them Bill, and Hillary, almost faced charges of perjury, and obstruction of justice when Bill Clinton was president, so I don’t know why Americans are surprised that the Clintons are very skilled at lying. It is what they do, and have done for years to get power, and to also get themselves out of the illegal messes they have often found themselves in.
With all the lies the Clintons have told, the ones they told when they were in the White house, the first time, and the lies they continue to tell, how could Americas want these two people Hillary, and Bill, representing their country to the rest of the world.
Posted by: Sarah | April 7, 2008, 5:23 am 5:23 am
Hillary should have fired this man days ago!!! Even Colombia fired him days ago, yet Hillary still had him on as her chief strategist, for days and days, knowing that he had tried to broker a trade deal with Colombia. This shows me that Hillary didn’t really care what the voters thought, that she kept him on her campaign for days, thereby giving the voters the middle finger. I have no doubt that Americans will be seeing alot of that middle finger if she becomes president.
Good luck getting her to actually do what she is promising if she does becomes president.
Posted by: christina | April 7, 2008, 5:42 am 5:42 am
You guys just dont get it. The liberal media will NEVER let Clinton win the nomination.
Posted by: tomdavie | April 7, 2008, 5:42 am 5:42 am
REPLY TO dcordes | Apr 6, 2008 10:09:07 PM
Don’t assume all so-called attacks on HRC are from Obama supporters; who knows who’s posting on here and for what purpose?
More to the point, however, don’t hold Obama himself responsible for what bloggers write! That doesn’t really make sense, does it?
Just consider: Does Obama tear down HRC, even when her campaign undertakes some pretty low tactics? No, what he does is try to counter with the facts. Even though HRC has questioned his CIC credentials while claiming McCain’s and her own readiness, he has never done anything similar. He’s always said she’s a formidable competitor and would be a better president than McCain, although he himself would be better.
Obama has been really decent and does not condone the politics of personal destruction. So, don’t blame him for what some bloggers post, please; judge him on what he himself says and does.
(Just imagine if his campaign did choose to fight dirty; they could bring up so much new and old baggage there wouldn’t be time to talk about the real issues!)
Posted by: JustConsider | April 7, 2008, 6:25 am 6:25 am
So much bile between you guys. Can’t we all get along? Even the two sides can agree on some things:
“John McCain is an honorable man…” President Bill Clinton, stumping for Hillary Clinton (Charlotte, N.C., VFW post 1160, March 21, 2008)
“Both Barack Obama and John McCain are great patriots who love this country and are devoted to it” Gen. Tony McPeak, Obama campaign co-chairman (March 22, 2008)
Sen. John McCain… a real American hero, even the two campaigns agree.
Posted by: smartprimate | April 7, 2008, 6:32 am 6:32 am
Hillary Clinton has proved during the past few months that she is a fighter, that she is tenacious, and that she is in the race to win. There’s just one problem. She’s already lost.
No matter how you define victory, Barack Obama holds an insurmountable lead in the race to earn the Democratic nomination. He leads in the one metric that matters most: the pledged delegates chosen directly by Democratic voters. But he also leads in the popular vote, the number of states won and money raised. Still, Obama’s advantages aren’t large enough to allow him an outright victory. He needs the 20 percent of party delegates who aren’t bound to a candidate. It’s with these superdelegates that Clinton has staked her ephemeral chances.
Clinton’s near-lone chance of victory rests with a coup by superdelegate, persuading enough of them to overcome the primary voters’ preference. Yet a coup by elite Democrats would be ill-received, to put it mildly. Obama’s base spans the party’s most loyal and engaged constituencies: African-Americans, professionals who generate hundreds of millions in small-dollar donations and a conventional-wisdom-defying outpouring of youth support.
If Obama lost at the polling booth, these supporters would accept the voters’ verdict and carry on. Many, including those who backed Howard Dean’s heartbreaking 2004 campaign, have been through such disappointment before. But if Beltway bigwigs steal a hard-won victory, it would amount to a declaration of civil war. Not only would the resolve of thousands of loyal foot soldiers and the party’s new fund-raising base be irrevocably shaken, but it would torpedo the opportunity to build and strengthen a new generation of Democrats.
Clinton’s best-case scenario for victory requires sundering her own party. It is an inherently divisive strategy, but she doesn’t appear to care. For Clinton, all’s fair in pursuit of victory—even destroying her party from within. Her campaign has adopted a bizarre “insult-40-states strategy,” which has belittled states small, liberal and Red. Apparently, the only states that matter are the ones she coincidentally happens to win.
The Clinton campaign once justified efforts to foster a superdelegate insurrection by suggesting that she could regain the popular-vote lead in the remaining contests. But as her chances of pulling off that feat dwindle, even that argument is falling by the wayside. In an interview with TPM Election Central, top campaign adviser Harold Ickes said: “I think being ahead in the popular vote is an important factor. I don’t think it’s dispositive.” But when the popular vote, delegates earned and states won aren’t dispositive, no rationale remains for her destructive coup attempt. Clinton, unfortunately, is pretending not to notice. So at the moment, it’s useless to demand she exit the race. If logic, math, appeals to party unity and the evaporation of undecided superdelegates won’t sway her, nothing will.
Yet while the Beltway establishment frets about the alleged damage this drawn-out contest is doing to the Democratic Party, in reality, it’s been an almost unalloyed good.
For one, the frenzied organizing around the country has proved a catalyst for dramatic party building in states that had been Democratically dormant. State after state has reported record turnout, and thousands of new Democrats are registering in advance of each contest. In upcoming Pennsylvania, Democrats have gained a net 200,000 registered voters over Republicans this year; that number is 105,000 in North Carolina.
The party can now take advantage of the infrastructure both campaigns leave behind. The unprecedented level of participation and organization not only reinforces Blue states, it improves Democratic odds in traditional swing states. In fact, the tide threatens to make GOP stalwarts like Texas up for grabs this fall.
The reverberations are being felt far beyond the race for the White House. Democrats are poised to make massive gains at the congressional and local levels for a second consecutive election cycle. They’ve already started: in a March 8 House special election, Obama volunteers helped Democrats capture the solidly conservative Illinois congressional seat formerly held by Republican Speaker Dennis Hastert.
Finally, there’s no denying that the extra pressure has made Obama a better candidate. After living a charmed political life, with nary a serious general-election battle against a Republican on his résumé, he needed to prove his mettle in hand-to-hand political combat. His able handling of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright revelations didn’t just prove his deft political skills to worried supporters like me and superdelegates. It allowed him to address a potentially explosive issue well before November (though it’s a relationship the GOP is sure to exploit).
No one can persuade Clinton to get out of the primary race. But by any metric imaginable, Obama has already won. The superdelegates aren’t self-destructive enough to change that, and the sooner they line up behind Obama, the sooner Democrats can focus their fire on the real target: John McCain. Clinton can stick around, but the rest of the party will move on without her.
Posted by: America - A Nation Of Sheep | April 7, 2008, 6:39 am 6:39 am
Hillary Clinton couldn’t run a Hotdog stand, much less a campaign….
Posted by: carlo | April 7, 2008, 6:39 am 6:39 am
Penn is right!
Clinton and Obama and Pelosi are wrong.
When the Democrats do something really stupid – they have no equal.
Colombia is not our enemy – Venezuela is.
The Democrats have a huge problem with enemy identification. They make Gump look bright: Stupid is what stupid does!
Posted by: Lance | April 7, 2008, 6:58 am 6:58 am
When does Hillary finally do the only sensible thing left for her to do in this embarrassment of a campaign and FIRE HERSELF??
This would be entertaining, if the future of the world did not depend on it!
Please, Hill, just call it quits and while your at it: Leave the Democratic Party too..
Hey you can say it’s because they’re all so mean or whatever to save face, but just go!
I HAVE NEVER BEEN SO EMBARRASSED!!!
Posted by: outragious008 | April 7, 2008, 7:15 am 7:15 am
What’s the difference? Hillary’s done!
Posted by: dgfiit | April 7, 2008, 7:20 am 7:20 am
Hillary’s day is way over.
Simply put – its just embarrassing now.
Its as clear as day to the rest of us.
I guess she just don’t see it, sad…
Posted by: Anne | April 7, 2008, 7:24 am 7:24 am
So, when are we finally going to see Hillary’s mask-dropping speech to the nation – which I am sure will historically culminate in “[expletive] you all, America!”?
I need to tape this!
Posted by: outragious008 | April 7, 2008, 7:26 am 7:26 am
The column’s headline says Penn was “pushed out.”
I don’t think so: “Penn’s firm–Penn, Schoen and Berland Associates, Inc.–will remain on board providing polling and advice to the campaign….”
This resignation was done just for appearance’s sake: Penn is still going to be a player. He’s been with the Clintons since the Bill Clinton administration, and they’ve kept him around even when everyone else complained about him. Why? Because the Clintons operate by polls, and Penn does polls extraordinaire.
Hey, Unions, are you paying attention?
Posted by: Boomerang | April 7, 2008, 7:45 am 7:45 am
Its still too close to call in Pennsylvania – according to the three polls I looked at. But I believe she will lose there and – if she does – I think she will bow out. As close as the race is, I feel she should be able to do that without too much criticism – for not getting out, not for all the other stuff. If she loses Pennsylvania, then I think criticism of her staying in the race beyond that point will be more valid. While I don’t think she wins, with as many states left as there are and with it this close, I don’s see why people expect her to bow out. It won’t affect things in November. Be patient.
Posted by: Mark | April 7, 2008, 7:46 am 7:46 am
HRC needs to “kiss the ring (Obama’s ring)” like McCain did in 2000 (Mac kissed W’s ring). I bet the Clinton’s made money on that “Colombian” trade deal. BLoggers dig deep on this.
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What’s he the Pope?…You Obama people are seriously delusional.
Posted by: J | April 7, 2008, 8:04 am 8:04 am
Thank you mark for your open minded analysis. PA is not happy with her even if she was loved by them but Obama seem more open minded than her and has shown immense leadership skills. Clintons fought well but they should safe the last of their image before they loose everything. God bless America
Posted by: Concerned White man in PA | April 7, 2008, 8:05 am 8:05 am
What people don’t know is that every dollar you have donated to Clintons would have contributed to the total earnings of Mark Penn while working for the Clintons and Colombia. Do any body ever bother to question why they have tolerated Penn so far?
Posted by: Mark of Nafta (colombia) | April 7, 2008, 8:08 am 8:08 am
Penn will continue to be paid millions of dollars taken from the pockets of her supporters. If Hillary wants to keep him, that’s up to her. But it should be paid by the Clinton’s directly.
Posted by: time4change2008 —-
———————— Hate to tell you but this story was about him leaving, if you didn’t notice.
Posted by: J | April 7, 2008, 8:10 am 8:10 am
he Clinton camp continues to transform into a lean fighting machine. Denver are you ready for the fireworks?
Posted by: BlueDog | April 7, 2008, 8:52 am 8:52 am
CLINTON CAPAIGNED AND WON OVER THE VOTING CLASS OF OHIO ON THE ANTI NAFTA THEME BUT THEN HER CHIEF STARTEGIST GETS CAUGHT WITH HIS HANDS IN THE COOKIE JAR CUTTING A NAFTA DEAL WHICH ABSOLUTLEY CONTRADICTS HER THEME THAT SHE USED TO DECEIVE AND WHEN THE STATE.
i DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT VERSION OF REALITY YOU CLINTON SUPPORTERS ARE LIVING IN!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Arnold Moris | April 7, 2008, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm
i MEANT TO SAY WIN INSTEAD OF WHEN
Posted by: Arnold Moris | April 7, 2008, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm
Sean, thanks for the intelligent, well-spoken post. I wish I had said that..
Posted by: indy_voter | April 7, 2008, 6:04 pm 6:04 pm
I read so many posts filled with hate.
Some from Obama supporters who refuse to see fault in your candidate because he speaks out against the people who are at fault for his errors. He flip flops like a dying fish.
Democrats nationwide will vote McCain for the injustice of their forced silence after they cast millions of votes in FL and MI. Who’s next? Your state?
Racism, anti-semitism, homophobia, anti American associations, campaign advisors, and performers for his campaign events at black only churches.
This is the man you choose?
When our economy, safety, housing, and jobs, gas prices, freedom and foreign relations, peace are at stake?
I’ll take the Clinton years back anyday for a glimpse of that HOPE!
Posted by: Michaelene | April 11, 2008, 2:09 am 2:09 am