Clinton Expresses Frustration With the Democratic Party

US$ 800 000 Colombian money in Bill’s pocket for speaking for another NAFTA+, Hill is unelectable, and every day is a demonstration of that reality, she has to live with her unelectable status, pack and go back to Bosnia where the snipers are waiting for her. Nothing substantive in this speech, a typical Hillary talk. The writing is on the wall Hill. God bless America and God bless Obama. OBAMA08.

A lot of us are equally frustrated. This country needs someone who knows what they are doing, not another amateur who is afraid to make a decision because it might come back to bite him on election day. If she has the nomination “stolen” from her because of the extreme press bias this year, and the dirty tricks thrown (albeit in a very clever way), she should run as an independent. Bet the DNC know it alls would not like that!

You white people have already lost. Obama will win because it is time for us to rise up against those who have been holding us down for so long.
Power to Obama

From the beginning Hillary has said the FL and MI should count.
Hot For Hillary 2008!!!!!!

I feel like with the race as close as it is and nobody seeming to budge one way or another…Florida and Michigan need to be seated in some way…not necessary how the results were but…some how.
After this Democratic Party, the DNC needs to look at how insane the format or the primaries is… splitting delegates. The ONLY thing I will ever agree in regards to the Republican party is the “winner” takes the state primary format. This race was interesting, now its just getting old…every little thing is scrutinized.

Obama is the scariest person that has ever attempted to run for office. He has no experience, he admitted him self in 2004 that he was not experienced enough to be the President. He has only been in office for 2 years and he already has more baggage than any other candidate. Worst of all he is a racist. How did he get this far??
If he is the Dem nominee then I will be voting McCain 2008!!

Uh, calm down Iraq_Vet
I love Hillary to death, but I think people are criticizing her for being a hypocrite.
And if I were a Vet I would be more upset that she was lying about being under sniper fire, and then joking about it during Jay Leno. I think that what our Soldiers fight for is a very serious and heartfelt devotion to American. Not to be made as a “misspoken” joke by Clinton.

What is she talking about – the Democratic Party decided months ago what they were going to do – they were not going to count the votes in Michigan and Florida and they were not going to seat their delegations based on those votes. So, what is her gripe here!

The Colombia deal reminds me of the banktuptcy bill. She voted for it but was really against it.
With Colombia trade, she’s against it but really for it.

i share hillary’s frustration
look she does not need the money, the fame, or the headaches that will come with the job of rebuilding this country. she already has a job. her life will not be in a shambles if she loses. this leads me to believe that she must believe in her heart that she can improve our economy, end the war and bring healthcare to all. otherwise she would have thrown in the towel a long time ago. i cannot help but believe that much of this hillary bashing is first and foremost sexist in nature. the idea of a woman at the helm is just too much for white men to handle. it is time for a woman president, yes this one. my personal experience with female friends and comments regarding hillary is also revealing-some are so oppressed by men that they believe that only a man can lead, some hate their mother’s and project this ‘woman in authority issue’ onto hillary.

re: my previous post; correction and my apologies ‘some white men’.

Calm down, people. Just wait for less than 2 weeks and we will know who is the true winner…
If Obama can win Penn, then he will be the next president no matter you like or not…
But if Obama can’t, then it just proves again he cannot win the big states, big white states…
He will be fixed into his own pattern and will lose his MO…..The chance he can convine other half of Dems and unite party will be ZERO……

Clearly, a lot of posters here are mislead on what the “pledges” regarding MI and FL were… the only commitment either candidate made was to not campaign in those states. The DNC does not govern the elections in the states and the MI and FL elections have been certified. Both candidates stated the voters should not be disenfranchised and that the nominee will ask that the delegates be seated at the convention.
The only candidate of all the candidates that violated rules was Obama by running ads in FL but one of his cronies at the DNC said he could. He chose to make a national ad buy instead of a state or regional buy which was cheaper to target SC. He clearly made a decision to try to get around the rules since that was way more expensive and a poor executive decision. His campaign encouraged voters in MI to lie or be unethical in their voting by encouraging them to vote in the republican primary. A revote would not have allowed the cheaters to vote in MI so he blocked it even after he said he would agree with whatever the DNC decided. (They authorized the revote along with the state committee and Clinton.) He even refused to put up half the cost even though Clinton agreed to do so.
I agree with her position. The constitutional rights of voters in MI and FL were violated by the DNC not treating all states fairly. (Two other states who moved their primaries up prior to Feb 5 were not punished.) The court cases regarding MI and FL are still in process. Additional ongoing cases include the Texas caucus investigations and now California investigations.
Clearly the DNC is lacking and the RNC is more competent to run elections. Of course this was engineered by the RNC to divide the party as much as possible and hope for crossover votes out of anger at the DNC. The dem voters and the stupid incompetent DNC keep falling for these RNC tactics over and over. It is no surprise most of our Presidents have been Republicans since Kennedy.
The incompetence of the DNC and its wing control are the two reasons I refuse to support/join the Democratic party. I also refuse to support/join the Republican party with all its corruption and wing control. I am a proud Independent who has always supported Democratic and Independent candidates. It will be a sad day in November if I have to vote for McCain.

BKMC,
Why is Hillary unelectable? Because you say so?
According to the headlines on MSNBC right now McCain has erased the 10 point national poll lead that Obama previously held. McCain has barely lifted a finger and he is already giving Obama a crushing blow.
I will totally enjoy the beating that the Obama zombies are in for should Obama prevail in the nomination. In that scenario you will be crushed like crunching cockroaches being walked on by an elephant.
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Obama, stay tuned for the final episode!
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DCVoter,
My apologies to you. I know you are using logic and rationale to appeal to the better senses of people. I’m not seeing much responsiveness in the better sense domain, so I know I’m taking cheap shots. Keep up the good work though, I admire your steadfastness.
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Hillary stands up for all voters!
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In Dec 2000 wasnt all the Democrats yelling COUNT THE VOTES, now 8 years later the Democratic party is disenfranchising 2.5 million voters because of RULZ.

Travis
Maybe that’s a politically correct post but it still shows your bias. A few facts would be needed if you want to make a valid point. No assertions, please.

Len – the pledge does not state the candidates agree to not seating the delegates… it says they agree not to campaign… I guess you ignore the truth in that both Obama and Clinton stated in 2007 that the MI and FL delegates should be seated at the convention and both would ask for it at that time. The court challenges are ongoing… the credentials committee has yet to decide and Dean has already indicated that at least FL will be seated and has reserved hotel rooms for its delegates… it is always a good idea to do your own research and filter through all the BS of blogs and the MSM.

Good for you Hillary. It is about time the Democratic Party understands that they cannot violate the rights of the Michigan and Florida voters because of the rules of the Party. Obama did campaign in FL and lost. But as we all know he does not want the Florida and Michigan votes counted because he CAN ONLY WIN BY DEFAULT. Hillary is ahead in most of the states where primaries are going to be run as well as in Puerto Rico. The Democratic Party knows that the people went out to vote and did vote. So, for real purposes, those votes need to be counted because in the real elections those people are real people that will emit real votes and if the party does not count the votes according to the voter’s wishes (versus Obama’s wishes) the Florida and Michigan voters are going to be very angry. Are any of the bloggers here supporting Obama from Michigan or Florida? If you are, you do not care to count the votes because Obama wins by not counting the votes. So do Obama care about the voters and their wishes or he only cares about his convenience?

BKMC i do not expect you to agree-but the facts are women get paid less promoted less and fundamentally are at a disadvantage not only in the workforce but in society at large. yes we do need to have that discussion-even if it makes you uncomfortable. i also noticed that in your post you use the term we instead of i -suggesting perhaps that you believe you speak for all men-thanks for making my point.

WestCoastMessanger and DCVoter read my email to sonio trevino and you will understand why Hill the Bosnian General is unelectable and sure polls will say the same. By the way, McCain is also unelectable because he still does not know after 8 visits to Irak the difference between shia and sunni, Al Qaeda and Iran. Who will give the responsibility to that person to be commander in chief? Wait when Hill will decide to drop out because she cannot win then there will be a surge in the polls for Obama and a strong one which is different from McCain’s military surge in Irak. God bless America and God bless Obama. OBAMA08.

I have a real problem with Clinton’s story about being fired upon when entering a country. She said it was a mix-up. My question is: When was she ever in a situation where bullets were flying? If there was an error and she got the time and place mixed up, then tell me when it actually DID happen. Make sure it can be verified beyond just your lapdogs, too. It is one thing to make a mis-statement, it is another to blatently lie. I think that we have seen during this campaign that she will say and do anything to win. To come out and say that she will withdraw troops from Iraq in 60 days, no matter what, is insane. She cannot know what might happen that might mean that the troops would have to stay and be withdrawn at a much slower pace. However, to try to look like the major anti-war candidate, she is willing to make these overarching statments that either she might not be able to carry out, and thus would be a liar about, or that she would be willing to carry out no matter the damage it might do to the country. She is a scary, scary woman. I am a woman and I am ready, willing and able to vote for a woman for president. However, it can’t just be a woman for a woman’s sake. It has to be someone with integrity and substance. That is certainly not Clinton.

Every voter has his/her own right to vote for what he/she believe in…
Passion to his/her candidate is well admired and it proves a lot of people like to involve the democracy…..
Whether obama can win the majority of American, the Penn will be a good test. If he can win, he will be next president. If he can’t, then it just proves he can’t get enough white votes to support him…
When Obama faces Reps, it will be worse because the race issue will definitely be one of dominant issues to him….Not mentioning his least experience…

She is losing it.

Obama did NOT campaign in FL.
That is a lie, period. Running a national ad is not the same as campaigning in that state.

sonio trevino, nobody will accept that for the same job there are 2 salary scales, that is discrimination and should be dismantled and that is exactely what Obama will be doing when elected president and you know that McCain will not do it. The term “we” is used to avoid arrogance and being egocentric . Hill the Bosnian General is using the term ‘I” and our candidate Obama is using the term “we” and by the way who told you that I am a man? I am a bit surprised? Sexi or color of the skin will not do it to the presidency of the US. God bless America and God bless Obama.OBAMA08.

Hillary is complaining that the Dems ‘can’t decide what to do with Mich and Fla”?
Hello………..they already DID decide what to do and that was to strip them of their delegates. That was the decision and HILLARY agreed with it!
She needs to stop trying to change things when they don’t work out the way she wants them to. The problem isn’t the Dem party; it’s her.
And if she wants to get upset she needs to get upset with how she’s mismanaged her campaign.

WCM – thanks and dont sweat it. We all fight our battles in different ways. The latest polls are projecting strong Clinton wins in PA and IN. Head to head matchups clearly show Obama losing support among likely voters in both parties… particularly among white males and now females that used to support him. Will the wins be landslides? I doubt it but even a slight loss by Clinton after being outspent 4 to 1 is a clear indication half the country still supports Clinton in the states that produce electoral wins. This is what a lot of Obama supporters dont understand. (It’s not their fault they are young and unclear how electoral races work.) Only when the voters in general of all demographics take the time to educate themselves and fight against the RNC machine will the people take this country back from the control of the right wing of the Republican Party.

She should be kissing Rush Limbaugh’s feet and thank him for helping her barely scrape by in Texas and Ohio.
Otherwise, she would have been toast in Texas.

c’mon dog….I thought at least YOU had some common sense.
Obama has physically spent time in PA hasn’t he. Bus Tour, townhalls, rallys….now that is campaigning. Not just running a national ad and not letting the people get to meet you face to face.

Is there anything or anyone that Hillary won’t criticize? So far she has criticized:
Obama
Bush
McCain
Democratic Party
Republican Party
The Media
The Voters
DNC
Caucuses
and the list goes on…
I’ve never seen anyone so negative about anything and everything. Is everything Hillary encounters in life so deserving of attack? I wish she had a rational side that would allow her to judiciously open her mouth without spewing hate and criticism. The negativity defines her. When she loses a state primary, she doesn’t even thank the state’s voters during her stump speech elsewhere that night. Those folks worked hard for her, and then she acts like the primary never happened, or they are a small state, so what? It’s pathetic!

I’ve noticed on several occasions that Senator Clinton bursts into laughter when confronted with a question she doesn’t want to answer. She did it twice in this interview over the Columbia trade deal. Imagine her doing that when sitting across the table from a foreign head of state.

But Obama has come up with a resolution for those votes but unless they favor Clinton she won’t agree..yada yada yada agian we have to listen to this twisting of the truth.
She diesnfranchises those voters then demands they count then demands they count for her or not at all…anyone see a pattern here that would get a normal person locked up for being crazy?
As for Columbioa and the 800 thousand? IF she means it then let her give that money to a charity…..won’t happen but hey, her supporters will ignore these facts while they take this country further into debt and disgrace the world over. Hillary is a laughing stock everywhere but here to the women who see their own failures in her actions of clawing their way out of their own mess.

West Coast Mess and DC Voter are certainly showing their true colors today!!! Misstatements and lies are all you have left.
Hillary Clinton will have to win HUGE in PA and Indiana, and keep other races close to even have a prayer of stealing the election.
She’ll have to win HUGE in all or most of ALL the remaining contests to be able to have a legitimate shot at the nomination.
Neither scenario is likely at this point.
Well, West Coast Mess, at least we’ll know what side you’re on — even if McCain doesn’t have a chance in hell!!!
Obama 2008 — Yes, WE CAN!!!

DCVoter – Well, they are on Obama juice so its hard for them to realize the world extends beyond their dormrooms.

Saywhat? – So, where is beyond? Please describe.

Obama won 12 states in a row, (where they BOTH campaigned) and I know that is eating you hillary supporters alive.
She is the establishment machine, yet she is behind, and you attempt to belittle Obama’s campaign???
ctfu y’all need help!

La in Indiana: If the Democratic party is through with counting peoples votes then I am through with them! You know for a fact if Obama wated those votes to count Jesse Jackson would be down in Fl. taking to the streets, demanding that they be counted! Instead he and Al Sharpton have been down there doing everything they can to deny them! I may have fell off the turnip truck, but I did not fall off it yesterday!

It is so ironic that Obama supporters claim to be so smart and when they run out of ideas they resort to calling people names like childern in a school yard! So much for that myth!

dos ayone know why she still has Harold Ickes as her senior advisor when he VOTED to strip Fla. and Mich. of their delegates?
I could not comprehend why she has him on her team? She is the first one screaming they should count. I woud be firing his can.

Obama is the establishment machine with Kennedy, Kerry and a bunch of presidential candidate loosers behind him.
He now has Oprah’s money to buy him the Presidency.

Amazing!
I will be glad when this crap is over. The democratic party needs to get their act together.

No starbucks2 he has our “we the people” money to win this campaign. He is the underdog and has always been the underdog. Some of his supporters are old, but that doesn’t make him the establishment. That just means some old folks wanna see change too.
How can you call him the establishment candidate when he’s running against an ex presidents wife??

OK, Senator, why is it so hard for you to understand the situation in Michigan and Florida? All of the candidates were told early on that Michigan and Florida would not count. ALL OF THE CANDIDATES AGREED THAT MICHIGAN AND FLORIDA WOULD NOT COUNT (SENATOR CLINTON INCLUDED) as a result, NO CANDIDATE CAMPAIGNED in those states (Obama’s name was not on MI’s ballot!!!). How would any of youy Clinton supporters feel if your opponent tried to change the rules of a game you were playing to benefit them. Make no mistake about it. Clinton only wants the votes to count NOW because she was losing!!!! If she felt that passionately about those voters, she would have said something at first. PERIOD.

Why are the American people so stupid??
The same media who helped elect Bush twice and the American people voted for him twice are now supporting Obama and against Clinton. These same media corporations are owned by the very wealthies and are trying to influence the election.
Why are the American people so stupid??

What Happened to the Real Democratic Party: It appears that it has been hyjacked by the far left, and the neoliberals who do not have to work for a living,they stay in their ivory towers and tell us everything that is wrong with america. They think that the sun is setting and not rising,that america is not loved by terrorist nations therefore their is something wrong that they using all the instruments of government can make things better. They will not be happy until all of us are eating at the Public Trough!

Why is Harold Ickes Still Hillary’s senior Advisor? After he VOTED to strip the Fla. and Mich. voters of their delegates?
I thought she screams they should count?
I wonder if they know it was HER senior advisor Harold Ickes that helped stripped their VOTES

Hillary or Obama, Michigan and Florida have to be seated and included by the Dem Party. You can’t exclude participation by two such pivotal states. It’s that simple. If the Dems cut these two key states out of the process they will lose them, and for maybe more than one eletion cycle. Something should be worked out to include them as quickly as possible. Dean has many strengths but he is not providing the strong leadership needed to resolve key issues like this one.

lauren – Vee haf vawys of enlightenment.

gee bishop….tell them to vote for mccain then, sheeeesh
Their rotations will only be 12 months instead of 15, what’s the big deal?

If Obama is award 40% of the Michigan delegates he most likely will be getting more than he deserves. No one force him to take his name of the ballot. It was shortsighted and “stupid” for the Obama campaign to remove his name from the ballot. After was wasn’t he running a campaign. How can anyone (Howard Dean,etc) determine which 10% of the voters in Michigan who expressed their preference by voting for Hiliary Clinton should be award to Obama because his campaign was to shortsighted to leave his name on the ballot. If he gets the 40% that included everyother candidate except Hiliary he should shut up and move on. Certainly, If I was a voter in Michigan and my vote was awarded to Obama after I voted for Hiliary, I would be extremely outraged about it and rightly so. Dean and the DNC can do the right thing and award the delegate based on the votes that has already been certified.

Why should she drop out, such becoz she is behind in delegate count…please this fight isn’t over yet….and just wait till next week folks….when Clinton Campaign release a bombshell bout Obama….not so good after all….

MYSOGONY of the Dem Party and the Media!!!!!!!!!!!!

Once again, the Obama we all know, talks out of both sides of his mouth. Today, He’s telling blue-collar workers in PA that he’s a Washington outsider without any national experience. Of course, that’s in direct contradistinction to his prior statements that he has exemplar national-level political and policy experience. It’s also a hoot, given his entrenchment in the Chicago political machine for more than a decade (which is far worse than Washington). Hopefully, PA voters can see through this double talk.
Hillary ’08

Dogsolider: Like they say in my part of the country: I am to young for Medicare and too old for women to care! Don’t ever stop being young dogsolider because thats when you died! Like Dylan says ” I was older then I much younger than that now!”

BKMC look regarding the bosnia flap-many of us cannot remember where our keys are let alone recount an issue that happened 12 years ago. it is common knowledge that the human mind retains ‘feelings of danger’ versus the reality. many store clerks after being robbed remember fearing for their lives even when the perpetrator did not have a weapon. in hillary’s defense at least she has been in a war zone versus obama.

(It’s not their fault they are young and unclear how electoral races work.)
I happen to be 55yrs old I AM FOR OBAMA
And at this point I really do not care if he win the GE as long as Hillary is not the Nominee.I will vote for Obama on April 22. If she some how steals the nominee I will not vote for the first time in my life I will sit this election out. It is sicken read all this radical post from simple minded people
I do believe that America will get what they deserve.My sons are grown I have a career and Health insurance I can hold out for another 4 years

Russell – Like they say in my part of the country: I am to young for Medicare and too old for women to care!
Lol. Heck, Russell, its good to see you laugh. Not so much when you fill up your gas tank maybe, and yes I work for big oil, so you do have a name you can curse on a daily basis. That is besides Obama.

PDC – 55? Radical? Now who would those radical be according to your suggestion?

The culprits were the state democrats who clearly and intentionally violated the DNC rules.

PDC please learn how to spell. i mean especially if you are going to insult and refer to others as simple minded.

I just heard about that obama ad in PA and the ad showing his (white) Gramdma, and obama saying that she is a “Typical White Woman”—–is THAT a racial statement, OR W H A T ??????

LA in Indiana and Lauren: Can’t you take a hint that we are ignoring you? Don’t go away mad, just GO AWAY. : )
Posted by: What Happened to the REAL Democratic Party? | Apr 10, 2008 7:19:02 PM
NO WE ARE TOO MUCH LIKE HILLARY
ITS A FRE BLOG TOO BAD FOR YOU.
SO CAN YOU ANSWER MY QUESTION? WHY IS ICKES STILL ON HILLARY’S CAMPAIGN? HE IS THE REASON SHE IS IN THIS MESS? AND THE AMERICAN VOTERS ARE

Turku Wren – Nader is an option. I don’t think I could bring myself to vote for McCain, but I could vote for Nader.

rock
Looks like Obama will win. Best then to vote for Nader!

Interesting info, Bishop…..thanks for the post…..it makes sense, really…..

Obama’s unscrupulous Chicago friends and close associates: Rezko, Blago, Daley, Stroger, et al.
Obama’s unsavory friends and spiritual mentors: Wright, Meeks, Ayers, Frank Davis, et al.
Obama’s corporate big oil and lobbyist connections/contributors: Exelon Corp, Houston-based Mission Resources Corp., Tulsa-based Kaiser-Francis Oil Co., Mr. Hsu, Iraqi Billionaire of ill repute, Nadhmi Auchi, et al.
Scandals thus far: REZKOGATE, NAFTAGATE, CRACK GATE, WRIGHTGATE, GAY-SINCLAIR GATE, et al.
All this in a few short months. Stay tuned for the next installment…
GO HILLARY!

Hillary Supporter
Some voters prefer waving hands, nose to the sky, and BS.

Dogsoldier, WestCoastMessenger visit many of the blogs and tend to cut and paste their comments verbatim…I truly think they are doing so simply to “stir the pot” and breed contention;No need to bite. I quite honestly expect this MI/FL
issue to be hauled out anew each and every time the Clinton campaign sees a slip in her numbers…It doesn’t have to be factual they just need to get it out there periodically and there is a certain segment of voters who will bindly accept it without checking their facts.. I’ve seen many responses by posters who identify themselves as being from MI and FL who contradict the Clinton campaigns claims. Oh and I’ve watched the 08/19/06 C-span televising of the vote where Kathleen Sullivan (NH-Clinton supporter)speaks against any front-loading in the primaries (that includes MI) and states emphatically that she has the support of Bill and Hillary Clinton against front-loading of the primaries. And where Stephanie Tubbs Jones(Clinton-supporter) speaks in favor of the DNC decision to allow only Iowa, NH, SC and Nev to hold their elections prior to Feb 5 and to penalize state who move up their primaries before Feb 5.
-Posted by IntelliWhitfeminWoman

Lose the DNC and Fire Dean Howard! Hillary should run as an independent. The DNC has turned its back on its own members…and now the members will go Indie.

Here’s a thought. Each state’s super delegates (not including FL and MI) vote in accordance to who won the state. Na, too simple.

Obama is a FAKE!!!
He is a calculative FAKE!!!
I will never vote for him.
All the media just LOVE him (MSNBC is just sucking up to him), I have
to go to FOX is get some real news.
I hope Hillary wins in the end and I hope she would never give interview to
these MSNBCs!!!!

alma Ludivina – See you in Denver. Here a list for you to do with the Obama camp.
March with Al Sharpton.
Talk with Jessie Jackson.
Rub shoulders with Ayers.
Have a prayer meeting with Reverend Wright.
Curse the Jews with Farrakhan.
Meet Gaddaffi in person.
Wear proud American pins with Michelle. Curse Hillary.
Share Rezko money with Rezko.
Plan the overthrow with notable terrorists from the middle east.
Get friendly with goats, Obama’s daddy’s goats.
Check Obama’s grandmother tire tracks for being run over by Obama’s bus, TWICE.
Play raise the taxes on the people game. And other fun stuff.

I am for Hillary, lest that obama win the Nomination—–then I’m GONE, GONE, GONE…..(unless maybe I can actually write her in at the General Election !).

American People say no to Mrs. Clinton Socialised medicine (Universal Health Plan)
If something is perceived as free, people will consume more of it than they would if they had to pay for it.
free public medicine isn’t really free. What the consumer doesn’t pay, the taxpayer does. Social medicine discriminates against the productive.
Poor quality of services.
Patients often feel they are on an assembly line.
Cancer sufferers denied the opportunity to improve their chances by paying privately for drugs.
General practitioners reduced the average time they spent with their patients
Hospital emergency rooms have become their primary doctor. Patients lie in temporary beds in emergency rooms, sometimes for days.
Surgery candidates face long waiting lists it can take six months to have a cataract removed.
Heart surgeons report patients dying on their waiting lists. But then, it’s free

Obama supporters are so stupid critizing about the Michigan and Florida votes. Howard Dean needs to step down, they should have paid for a revote in Michigan and count Florida as is. He has cost the democrates the Nov election now. There is absolutely no way we can win now in Nov if we lose those two states. Obama supporters if you really want your man to win stop complaining. Promise you he wont win if you dont win those two states. That is a definite. The smartest thing he could do right now is say seat them the way they voted. It might help him win over all but he probably waiting till he can do the math without them and then we will try to be a hero and statesmen and say then to count them. He is pathetic

Kennedy took the fight to the floor in Aug.of 80 with Carter he had around 1200 Carter had 1900 Regan won the election in 1980 In 68 they put a Humprey on the ticket but it was a big fight McGovern had a million more votes I think I can’t remember I have to check on it.Nixon won that one we lost.

With so many different ways to acquire news and information, why are people so naive (ok, just plain phukkin stupid) to continue to insist that Obama is the one to blame for FL and MI? Wake the F up!!! The rules were set by the DNC, and Obama has followed those rules. Meanwhile, Hillary, who also agreed to follow the rules, is now trying to renege, and say that the votes should count. How fair is it if no candidates campaigned in Florida, or if all Democratic candidates were not even on the ballot in MI (except for Hillary, who broke the rules)? Furthermore, how can you not be disgusted by all of Hillary’s constant “mis-speaking”, and her two-faced back-room Trade Agreement deals? Hillary is the most devisive politician in the history of politics. There is no middle ground. People (the narrow-minded sheep) either love her, or people despise her. How can she ever be a unifier, let alone President. And if she’s so frustrated with the Democratic Party, feel free to excuse yourself at any time. I would go so far as to say, “don’t let the door hit you in the ass”, but how could it miss?

This lady is really terrible. people form Florida and Michigan are not stupid. They understand that you are opportunist, you didnot care about their vote untill you knew that you can not make it.

Humphrey had the least amount of votes when he got nominated That was a long hot summer war protest race riots Robert And Martin what a time you could see the fire from Trenton on the Pa side of the river the sky lit up rolling stones I can’t get no satisfaction what a time in history . This is what comes into my mind when I think of 68

Until recently, the New Black Panthers were linked from Obama’s website.
If you’re not familiar with the New Black Panthers, here’s a taste of what they have to offer: (copied from their 10 point plan.)
“8. We want freedom for all Black Men and Black Women held in international, military, federal, state, county, city jails and prisons.
We believe that all Black People and people of color should be released from the many jails and prisons because they have not received a fair and impartial trial. ‘Released’ means ‘released’ to the lawful authorities of the Black Nation.”
Is this the kind of attitude we want in the White House?

bobby – thanks, unfortunately I have to make a living and do not have time to devote to a full time blog… maybe in the future.
Another item of note for all those actually watching the numbers:
Even without FL and MI, after the remaining contest are complete and all the state conventions are finished (last one is June 29), if the delegate count is less than 2% difference, 80 delegates could tip the nomination either way. There are 76 unpledged delegates that can be appointed by state parties at the DNCC. This is in addition to the current count of delegates and superdelegates. It is common for delegates to change their vote over and over at the convention as multi-ballots are necessary to actually give a nominee enough delegates. Usually, this does not matter because the races are not close. However, this is the tightest nomination race in history. We have even had previous races where the candidate in the lead at the beginning of the DNCC did not get the nomination more than once. Some of those awarded nominations at the convention actually became Presidents, like Woodrow Wilson and FDR. Granted that was before superdelegates but it is all relative. Delegates of all types determine who the nominee is… not the voters. Our votes are simply guidelines for the delegates. Superdelegates represent the party and potential voter’s remorse because we do not have a national primary. Their job is to ensure the democrats do not have another landslide defeat like Incumbent Carter or McGovern. You can find some detailed history on how it all really works and why if you do a bit of research online.

Bottom line. At the end of the day, neither will have the number to win. Like it or not the process is not “democratic” Seat Florida and Michigan and it will prove Hillary to be the winner.

Hillary can’t beat McCain, as consistently proven by the polls. The polls right now show that Obama beats McCain in the general election and Hillary LOSES. Hillary is BY FAR the most divisive political figure in modern history. There’s a reason for that. Whereas Obama has a large lead over Hillary among college educated, informed Americans, Hillary has a lock on the “information-deprived”–a euphemism created by Gallup. Hillary is a desperate power-monger and carpet-bagging political opportunist. She lies, she flip flops constantly, and she takes in more money from big corporate pharmaceuticals than any other candidate ever. She wants to finish out her term and then put Chelsea in as her successor as next in line for the Clinton dynasty. She also wants to redecorate the White House in pathetic tepid mauve. WAKE UP AMERICANS. This lady is DANGEROUS.
Hillary ain’t it.

Boy jacksmith you have it all wrong. Actually Republicans (called by Rush Limbaugh notably), have been voting for Hillary as they think she will be beaten more easily or want to drag on the Dem race.
Look at the daily polls, look, Obama is always ahead in the Democratic Presidential race and he’s maintaining his lead for at least a month…
Also, Hillary is the only candidate of the three that has more unfavorable ratings than favorable ones. She is the only one that is over 50% seen as untrustworthy. And last I heard about half of the people would never vote for her under any circumstance, that’s all voters included. That makes Hillary unelectable.

Look at the delegate total for Mi and Fl. Then add the supers she would get because Obama has tried to keep their votes from counting!!!

I think Florida and Michigan will be seated at the DNC. They have to be represented and the delegate vote will not be split evenly. I see Hillary getting these votes. If by chance, they aren’t and Obama wins the nomiation, he won’t win in the GE because he will need Florida and Michigan, which, everyone knows he will not get. The media is so biased toward their “golden boy” Obama, and so mean to Hillary. However, Obama is his own worst enemy. He wants to meet with Hamas, the people who want to annihilate Israel, he has a close association with Ayers (underground terrioist) that just broke, his wife is excluding Asians and Blacks for whites now at rallies, then Reverend Wright, Rezko, Obama’s lies on NAFTA, and the fact that he is a Muslim Apostate….man, this guys laundry is dirtier than anyone I know! He’s self destructing…..but, he does have one thing Hillary doesnt have…the campaign funding….which, is coming from Muslim backers….Farrakahn has pulled many, many favors to get Obama his money. If elected, Obama wont’ rule America….Farrakahn will.

where the beef? rev. Wright is an angry person, a knuclehead, but the Clintons think that they own the White House, their list of dirty laundry is a mile longer than that of Obama’s, and even if she wins the nomination, she might still lose in the fall, McSame know all her faults…

Hillary needs to dump the Democrat Party and run as an independent. I am a life-long Democrat who is tired of the DNC and of the people in leadership in the Party–Dean, Peloski, Richardson, Kerry, Carter, Kennedy and especially the OBAMA family. In the past, I totally opposed Sean Hannity and Karl Rove, but I actually find myself agreeing with them and their assessment of Obama. I will be voting Republican for the first time in 25 years if Obama is the nominee!

Peggy You are mistaken…Before a revote in either state, both Obama and Hillary has to agree. Obama refused!!!

Obama stop the revote in Michigan.

And Hillary did not know about Penn’s dealings – her strategist and good friend. Give me a break! And now Bill’s ties with the same Columbian company. Sure, Hillary did not know. LOL!

where the beef?: Feel free to post a link…some facts…anything…ANYTHING. It would make me take you seriously.
I don’t mind anyone supporting Clinton. It’s all good, as long as a Democrat wins in November. But why lie in your support?

I’m sitting here reading these posts and it amazes me the insults that are being thrown back and forth. If you ask me, we are ALL victims of this campaign. I think the media has been very unfair to all the candidates, but especially Clinton and Obama. There is freedom of press and I’m glad, but everytime I turn on the TV, I see clips of Clinton in Bosnia or the Reverend Wright over and over again. Why can’t the media focus on the candidates platforms, their agendas, etc. This is the first time in history we have an African American and a Lady running for the highest office in the land. We, as Americans, should be celebrating, not tearing each other to pieces. They both are very good candidates, and from what I see, are very focused on the problems America is facing and trying their hardest to present plans to remedy her problems. I think we should pressure the media to focus on the candidates, all of them, ideals on the issues before us. I wish it would be possible for all the hateful posts to stop, and we could somehow post the good qualities of our candidates of choice. This is just my opinion. May God Bless America, all of us.

Peggy
Obama is not only refusing to do a revote in Michigan/Florida. He continues to refuse to debate. He has only agreed to 1 debate for the remaining 10 states (and he was pressured into it). There are several debate requests that Hillary has agreed to but Obama has not responded. I guess this is like him voting present in the IL State Senate—afraid of making a commitment!!

I do wish you people would back up your claims about Senator Obama…lots of rhetoric but no support. Give us some llnks, articles, anything, but do not continually spout this rhetoric and expect anyone to support the candidate you prefer. What you are doing is just plain destructive to the party and to your candidate.

BMR Fact are facts. I pray that the Dems don’t nominate Obama. Obama will lose. Just think of all the video, Obama’s book, and what the Rep will run over and over again. Obama could destory all the gains of the last 3 years.

where’s the beef – you keep saying ‘facts are facts’ but do not support your ‘facts.’ Again, like others hav asked here – where are your facts – give us some support.

DebbieF: You DO understand there have been 23 debates already, right? They’ve long since shattered the record for primary debates. The 4/18 debate will be #24.
Also, you may not be aware, but it’s an old political truism: The candidate who is trailing wants to debate more; the candidate who is leading wants to debate less.
The candidates have hashed, rehashed and regurgitated their positions so many times that even I (no policy wonk by any means) know the small differences between their health care plans.
At this point, what Clinton is hoping for is to get in a debate and do some attacking. That’s smart politics. Obama wants to avoid going into that gutter unless necessary. That’s also smart politics.

Sandy, there are a whole lot of news stations on cable and a lot of news papers, not all of the links are correct, but it dosen’t hurt to follow up on some questions you have, all of the candidates are far from perfect, but Hillary is the worst one when it comes to telling the truth, and flip flopping, at least Obama was on tv and said that he didn’t agree with his pastor, but also not to toss him aside, which would have been very easy to do, then that would have made him a hypocrite.

Democrats need to realize that all of the excitement, emotion and enthusiasm generated in this primary season means nothing if we lose in November.
The Republican Party has grasped this basic concept. Even, say, in 1980, when Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush attacked each other tooth and nail – or, in 2000, when George W. Bush basically spent February slandering John McCain out of the primary – Republicans get their nominee, whoever it is, and march lockstep into the general election.
Think about it, Democrats. Look at the number of Democratic voters – in the primaries alone! Even discounting the “Rush Limbaugh Effect”, Democrats hold something like a 7- or 8-million vote edge. Now, imagine that we get that turnout for the general election.
The Democratic nominee could be Obama, Clinton, Gore, Dukakis, or a poster of Adlai Stevenson. ANYONE should be able to beat a guy who doesn’t know the difference between Iran and Iraq or Sunni and Shi’ite.
When this primary is over – whenever that is – we need to make sure we don’t screw up the general.
I’m an Obama supporter. I have never particularly liked Hillary Clinton, and though I respect her political skills enormously, I still think she’s an inferior nominee to Obama. But I’ve watched my savings dry up, jobs leave my area, and gas prices go up $2 per gallon since Bush 43 took office. So yeah, if HRC is the Dem nominee, I’ll be pulling her lever in November.
I CAN’T AFFORD FOUR MORE YEARS OF DUBYA. Johnny McSame promises exactly that. Any Democrat who would cross over – ESPECIALLY this year – was never a real Democrat in the first place.

Bill – I realize that – it is just so frustrating looking at this drivel that is blatantly false. Hillary supporters that are so blinded are helping to desroy the party – they have come to the same mind set as Hillary – if I cannot have the nominee that I want I will help take the party down with me.

BMR, I didnt say she ran a better campaign…. I said her ROI was better and that is a fact.
Each candidate had a different strategy so we cannot compare apples to oranges and say one was better than the other until after the convention.
Obama’s strategy was: expand the electorate with unlikely voters, appeal to liberals (matches his voting record), appeal to disgruntled Independents and Republicans, appeal to Identity voters, and try to gain sufficient popularity in the core to get the nomination. With unlimited funding, the method used in caucuses worked well because people were paid to work the ground campaigns and people are easily swayed with peer pressure in caucuses. Clinton’s core constituencies are unable to attend caucuses for the most part so that was no surpise. His campaign hyped the caucus and primary wins in red states to try to imply momentum and it worked in some of the primaries but eventually failed. Some say the novelty has worn off or he peaked too soon. I think the vetting is what is really hurting him. Time will tell if he can eventually succeed in his campaign goals.
Clinton’s strategy was a traditional one focused on winning key states required to beat the Rep candidate because of limited funding. While she did campaign in red states, she knew these states will not carry for the dems in Nov and focused on the key states. She has been successful in that strategy so far. Where she has had trouble is with the Identity voters for a variety of reasons. But the Identity voters in red states will not provide an electoral win in Nov. In fact, they are a significant minority nationwide when we consider the overall electorate that will be voting in Nov. In any case, time will tell if she succeeds in her campaign goals.
Per the rules, delegates from each state must represent the state ethnicity and at least 50% must be female as well. Since Identity voters account for 39% of the democratic electorate and women account for more than 50% of the democratic electorate, the candidate with the strongest female and white vote represents the will of the people in terms of the party core. Clinton maintains her core support. This means her campaign has been effective even with all the challenges. Obama’s campaign has been effective despite his challenges but the current polling trends (not single polls) are not in his favor.
No matter what happens, the nominee will not be decided until the convention unless one of them drops out. It is no surprise his surrogates who are afraid to do their job or afraid she will win are trying to push her out. No male candidate in the past was ever asked to pull out of a race or criticized for running all the way to the convention. It is clear who is running scared and who is applying discriminatory standards. There is no better way to prepare candidates to become nominees than a strong competitive race all the way to the convention. Nothing gets voters more energized and going all the way to the convention is the only way there is a possibility for a united party behind a unity ticket whomever that may be.
Superdelegates and regular delegates will all be considering several things at the convention: voter tallies, possible voter remorse, popular vote vs. delegate count, and most importantly, which candidate has shown they can win in Nov without party unity. That last one is a key factor since there is no way to guarantee or predict party unity. Counting the electoral equivalents in blue and projected swing states: Clinton 250+ electors, Obama 150+ electors… 270 electoral votes are needed to win in Nov. Clearly Clinton has enough support around the country to win 270. Obama on the other hand does not. There are not enough left to go around in the coming contests to give him 270 even if he won them all. Simply put, that means he cannot win without the majority of Clinton supporters which are voters he has failed to sway by any significant number. The delegates may look at these facts and conclude that with Clinton, they have the best chance to win in Nov and I would agree with them. Most of the uncommitted delegates are not going to make clear cut decisions until the remaining contests are completed and that is as it should be. The last thing the party needs is a bunch of flip flopping back and forth with every contest. We need to all sit back and let the system work and may the best candidate win.

Sandy, I think Hillary is a smart person, but not very presidential, other countires are watching this election, and they see her lie, how are they going to feel when it come time form terms of peace or anything else you want to deal with…

ding – we wont agree on name recognition so that is moot. What matters now are the numbers and statistically they are tied.
As for your assertion about what she banked on.. I wouldnt presume to know. Dean is the one who pushed the idea that it would be over by Feb 5. Dean is the one who designed the schedule hoping that would be the case. Dean is the incompetent one on that point.
Did Clinton’s campaign manager prior to Feb 5 screwup by spending too much? Possibly but from what I read, the insiders in her camp stated Penn was responsible because he told them what to do and spend money on based on his position as chief strategist.. he denied responsibility (he is a weasel).
What impressed me after Feb 5 was her ability to quickly turn things around and raise record funds from her supporters who are primarily low to middle class income voters who are suffering the most economically. Do I think she ever worried about running out of money? No… she can always use her own money as did Romney and it is perfectly legal.
Being a woman of fiscal responsibility and an accomplished investor/attorney, I have no doubt she held money back from her campaign and is not investing into it on purpose and I dont blame her. She has proven she can deal with monetary crises, swiftly hold staff accountable and reorganize, and remain competitive in the race. These are important skills for a President in the challengins years ahead for this country. We will not have unlimited funding like Obama has. In fact, we have a huge debt and deficits to overcome… Clinton proves she knows how to deal with crises.
On another note, she made 10.5 mill from her books and she donated 10.5 mill to charity (yes a lot went to the foundation but the foundation dispensed the monies to the charitable causes). Obama donated less than 1% to charity and most went to his church yet his church spends money on promoting the activities of hate groups and shelters Wright with a $1.65M home and a $10M line of credit all tax free and unscrutinized by law.
So in my opinion, none of his donations went to charity. Clinton proves she cares about people. She doesnt need all the headaches that come with the job. She certainly doesnt need the salary. (Bill Clinton was the lowest paid President in history and GW Bush is the highest paid President in history.) There is no doubt she is running because she cares and believes she can do all the things she proposes. She has 30+ years working as a humanitarian and a champion of the people.
Obama has spent his 20 yr career running for offices, claims to have been a community organizer, has a wife who claims to have left corporate America while she earns over 300K/yr as a corporate VP at a hospital that charges uninsured patients 2.5 times what they charge insured patients, is being vetted with results showing he is unethical and corrupt (opposite his claim), and has strong ties to non-humanitarian associates who shaped his views and life as an adult.

One clarification on a previous post: When I said “…the most powerful Dem rep in Congress”, I should have said, “the most powerful *Pennsyvlania* Dem rep”. I’m referring to John Murtha there. I just wanted to clear up that ambiguity.

ROI has nothing to do with subjective factors like name recognition, built in advantages etc. People can argue influencing factors all day long and never reach a conclusion as to who is wrong or right because there are no concrete answers to subjective influences.
ROI means Return on Investment and that involves discreet math. She raised less and spent less yet she remains competitive. She has retained her core supporters and gained proportional support of the growing democratic electorate. Simple concept here regarding ROI and that is clearly a better ROI than Obama outraising and outspending her 4 to 1 to be in the same position.

Obama & his wife are typical affirmative action folks.

Well, excuse me your imperial majesty!!! Both the Democrats and the Republicans decided BEFORE the primary elections in Florida and Michigan what they would do regarding deligates from those states if the elections were held in violation of pary rules. The Republicans decided to halve the size of the delegations as punishment. The Democrats decided not to sit the delegations at their convention as punishment…
This was WELL KNOWN and ACKNOWLEDGED by all of the candidates at the time. Her Royal Calamity (HRC) should stop whining about her party failing to decide what to do – THEY ALREADY DID DECIDE and now she wants a different verdict!!!
So she now wants to complain about voters being disenfranchised??? Can she tell us how many Democrats voluntarily disenfranchised themselves because they knew BEFORE the election that their votes would NOT count so they didn’t bother to vote??? How many??? One million??? Two million???
Her argument is absurd!!! Mind you I am not an Obama supporter and I ain’t thrilled with McCain either. Frankly, I see the US having to suffer through another presidential election where the voters are forced to choose between the lesser of two evils…
Aren’t any of you tired of voting “against” someone as opposed to voting “for” someone??? Wouldn’t it be WONDERFUL if “None of the Above” were added to the ballots???

Same here – my puppy is lying by the computer signaling to me that it is time for her to go to bed, too. I agree with BMR – it has been enjoyable talking with sane folks who do not spew hate and bigotry. Supporting opposing candidates with valid debate is stimulating – and I echo BMR’s sentiments – we are all in this together regardless of which candidate we favor. McSame would be disastorous for our country.

Yes the race should be competitive – it is historic with the two possible candidates being different demographically than ever in this country. When I saw who was running, I knew right off the bat none of them had a chance except for Clinton and Obama because Obama benefitted from his race. Before you call me a racist, this is completely supported by voting patterns and was affirmed by Obama that he has benefitted from his race. Has Clinton benefitted from her gender? Overall, no. This is also well documented by the media itself as well as voting patterns. They propped each other up throughout the debates until it got down to just the two of them. If you think this wasnt planned I think you havent read between the lines.
Yes you are correct – the one who wins the nomination with ALL the electorate considered (including MI and FL) with the least amount invested will have the highest ROI. If Obama gets the nomination without considering MI and FL then he will have stolen the nomination and not have a mandate from the electorate.
Subsequently, the nominee’s goal is really to win in Nov. Without a mandate from the democratic electorate against 44% of Independent voters in this country (most do not participate in primaries), winning in Nov is not likely. This goes back to the electability argument without party unity. Clinton is more electable by sheer numbers she has already. Additionally, the pollsters and the RNC admit a significant number of female Republican voters are expected to crossover if Clinton has the nomination. There arent enough identity voters in the Rep electorate to add to Obama if he has the nomination. He cant win without her supporters and he wont get them without MI, FL, and her.

God I love her!!!
She just says it like it is….
No waffling.

Sorry i don’t mean to be so harsh, but blogging about malcom x is a scare tactic, and there are a lot of people here blogging hate v. opinion. There was someone named momo just as bad, obama isn’t about separation and division, but working together. And attaching all of these links that spread rumors and paranoia just divides America.

ding – that is simply not true… but i wont bother reposting what already exists on this thread… you can go back up and read if you like. BTW, i hope your chat name is referring to the character in the movie and is not being sexist and disrespectful of one of the greatest First Ladies in our history. If it is, please be an American and show some respect.

The bottom line is that OBAMA is trying to say he has the ‘will of the people’.
You cant say that -but IGNORE Florida and Michigan.
Obama cant get 2024 delegates either. You Obama lovers KNOW whats really going on here, but since it isnt YOUR candidate getting SHAFTED in the media the entire time, no problem.
This is why the Clinton supporters will stay home or vote for Mc Cain.
We will NEVER let the media rig the election.

geneva you are right and i am sure hillary would not approve of so much neg. Divisive blogging going on either, just bc i support obama doesn’t mean I believe yClinton supporters are blogging hate messages, but the tone of some of these blogs serve no purpose except to promote hatred.
Dcvoter, obama graduated top of his class from Harvard right? Could have gone any where right? Instead he chose civil service in one of the poorest comunities. Have you been to south Chicago? If you have spent more than 30 seconds there you would not call Obama an elitest. The Clintons gave to their own charities, now that’s really branching out, you need to take off those blinders or better yet go and visit South Chicago, elite is nowhere in that community, but nice try.
And yes, blogging about Malcon x IS a scare tactic, he’s been dead for a long time…let it go.
Finally if bloggers have to go article to article dishing out hate and terrorist rhetoric then they have other issues of no life, give or take which one.

Geneva
succinct, statistical and superb

DCVoter I have read a lot of your post on a lot of websitesand you post a lot of information. But you tend to parse the truth. Im a Republican, Minority fiscal beliefs. Your biggest flaw is the one your not seeing, Republicans are a more march in step group, by our very nature. We still remeber her calling us the Great Right wing conspiracy. We Have a long list of truths, half truths, and lies that she and her husband (remember two for one :) )have spoken. Her positives among Republicans are in the high twenties. Fact are 527′s are much better than the left,if we cant crush a candidate with that much luggage we deserve to lose. even with the odds stacked against us. I have always felt that she was one of us and I would like to thank you personally for all the compliments that she gave Mccain that we are going to run against her if she get the nomination.

Hillary and Co, want every voice to be heard, but they want to ignor the fact that she is 700 000 votes behinde, she wants the Super Deligates to ignore Obamas lead in popular votes and select her in!!!( that’s not democracy, not election but selection)She is trying to prove the she is electable when she wants the normination by selection. Obama is the electable candidate so far it stays so till the electorates turn it. If this process has to be rounded up by selection, why all the trouble. She helped creat the Deligated Super IDIOTS to favor her, but now it is disfavoring her and she cant handle it.
She some times thinks that she is in the White House where she can do just any thing.
This position of hers will come back to hount her. One standard is certain, whoever leads in popular votes will get the normination. No chance for rubbery period!!!

The undecided Super Idiots, should know that if every voice should count, that will be the bases for decision. They better see the 700 000 lead of the Obama campaign and join the Wagon. They should not listen to what Hillary clinton RODMAN thinks and says. She is all over the place, says what ever she wants depending on what time of the day it is.You can hardly catch her on character.

Bill Clinton, bless his heart, has more good sense about dealing with Colombia than either his wife or Obama.
It is so foolish and stupid to let labor union bosses dictate foreign policy for the Democratic party.
Hillary and Obama are supporting the forces of evil – Hugo Chavez and his anti-American rhetoric against Colombia.

Pennsylvania people are not dumb. Obama is going to win the Democratic Primary.
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Well some of us aren’t dumb, those voting for Hillary.

Eric – MI had record turnouts in the Democratic primary. Just because you chose not to bother to vote is no reason to disenfranchise those who did vote is it? Are you an American or just someone who only cares about your own vote?

kudos.
Where do you see he has a 700,0000 vote lead. If you look on the main page of ABC it’s 102,768.

Jeanette Peterson,
She is not dragging women backwards and she isn’t whining. How would you like YOUR vote not to count because of the stupidity of your legislators?
I am glad she if fighting to get them to count these votes. It shows me that she cares that people do have a say in who their President is going to be. Obama doesn’t want them counted because then he may lose the nomination and not be crowned Messiah of the US.

Why if Obama is the nominee should we vote for somebody who we know will not be good for this country.
I’d rather not vote for him or McCain. I once thought about voting for McCain, but if Hillary is not the nominee I will not vote or I will write her in.

Westcoast mes……You failed to mention that the polls also show Hillary 10% behind McCain in the National Polls on MSNBC! If you are going to tell it tell it all. But that is the typical Hillary tactics.

Emilianna….
The MSM since the begininng of this election has been posting nothing but negatives about Clinton. That’s funny because I read in several places that she is only a point or two behind him in the polls and Obama is now dead even with him. Here is one of them.
From Real Clear Politics:
National AP-Ipsos Poll
Dems: Obama 46, Clinton 43
General: Obama 45, McCain 45
General: Clinton 48, McCain 45

Hillary will continue to spin this fairy tale until the common voter forgets the truth. That’s how Bill taught her to lie. It’s the same with most of her accusations, Bosnia, the energy bill, Michigan & Florida. Although, with the states, if she can get them to believe that it’s Obama’s fault, as opposed to the state DNC morons, they may focus on Obama and vote for Hillary in spite. That may be what she’s counting on.
(what an evil web we weave . . . .)

For the record the voting patterns suggest that Obama can win the general election without FL, MI or PA. Some of you folks just don’t do your homework or you are just intentionally misrepresenting the facts.
It’s Hillary that can’t win without FL, MI or PA but it’s in the PRIMARY.

The two faces of Hillary…when she’s ahead and when she’s behind. Her ability to put a spin on things is really remarkable.

DC voter… You said it white men and white women are not voting for Obama. When I heard a black man was running for President I knew race would bve the main focus of the race. I hope white people will wake up and get beyond race and vote for who will be the best CIC. I saw a survey do by newsmax and they asked 27,000 whites if Obama race had anything to do with them not voting for him and 62% said yes. I am very hurt by that because as blacks know racism is very much alive today!

As a white university professor, I, along with my children and grandchildren, am honored and privileged to be part of this great history in the making and vote for Sen. Obama. Now, will America rise to the occasion and embrace this great change and truly unite, showing the world that ONLY in America this can happen, and that it really is the land of the free? Or, will those whose better judgement is clouded by petty prejudices and misconceptions continue the divisive tradition of ‘Us’ and ‘Them’, propagated by those politicians who firmly believe in their politics of divide and rule and public deception?

Tom…That was a terrible thing to say about God Bless Obama. If you read the port you will see that he says God Bless America also. I pray that God will Bless each and everyone of us. We need it with all this crap being written. Obama is a man and not a animal, this is what is wrong with America today and always has been wether you want to admit it or not!

let obama win it wont last long, look at all the other black leaders they always self implode, they just cannot handle power and go to the dark side. its going to be funny to watch obama do the same..God help us

emilianna i live in pa.i will not support obama if he wins. i will for the first time in my 41 years of voting go with the other party and i know alot of other people who are saying the same

Sen. Clinton doesn’t care who she offends… She has now thrown the Democratic Party under the bus by comparing her party to the republican party…
Sen. Obama has said repeatedly… the votes will count and the delegates will be seat from Fl and MI. He and his advisers opposed the delegates be split 50/50. That’s a completely fair resolution. It doesn’t give either canididate an advantage and it allows the delegate to be seated… Sen. Clinton and her advisers won’t agree to a fair settlement… They want the delegates to be seated in a way to give her losing campaign an advantage. That would be unfair… and DNC knows it would be unfair… and Sen. Clinton continues to make false accusations that Sen. Obama is at fault… when clearly he’s not…
Sen. Clinton is truly starting to unravel… After May 6th… She will probably lose NC and IN and this thing will be over…

HE CAN’T STAND UP AGAINST McCAIN AS FAR AS BEING PATRIOTIC AND EXPERIENCED. THEY ARE GOING TO HIT HIM HARD. HOW CAN YOU BE PRESIDENT AND BE FRIENDS WITH SOMEONE WHO BOMBED THE PENTAGON AND SOMEONE WHO HAS HATE SPEECH AGAINST AMERICA. THIS IS WHERE THEY WILL GO AND YOU KNOW IT

To those saying Hillary stand to have the nomination “stolen” from her because of the media:
How dare you!! Obama has earned every vote he’s received. He’s ahead in delegates and popular vote and that’s the way our country operates. I didn’t vote for Obama in my state’s primary because I liked what the media had to say. I voted for him because I believe he has some things to offer this nation that neither Clinton or any Republican does: hope, change and honor.
As for bad press: it comes with the territory. Obama received way more negative press for Reverend Wright than Hillary did for her sniper fire lie.

Well, she is struggling for Fland Mi saying- every vote should count. And then, brining those votes to convention she will(just needs) to say to superdelegate: I am the best, Vote for me and do NOT count any vote. People, did You get that – her manipulations with You.
It matters for her- which moment too count You and which NOT to count.
There is the World and there are Clintons, against the World.

blazer8914….You know being an African American women I have never had someone that I whole heartedly wanted as a President. I had no choice but to vote for the next best person because there has always been whites only. So, with that said I have been voting for whoever whites put as the nom. But you know what we blacks are use to this crap. When it all boils down to it people just can not except that a black man HAS COME THIS FAR. IF HE DOES NOT WIN THEN WE CAN SAY THAT WE HAVE MOVED A TAD BIT CLOSER TO EQUALITY. Finally blacks have someone that they are proud to vote for and this is wonderful no matter how you see it, we see it as a step p.

DC Voter…Do you own a housae? I do and I put my family first, above all. You speak like Obama should have not bought a home for his family and donated his money to charity. Get a grip! he has a family and family first! But I guess you forgott that the Clinton’s live free of rent for many many years. I donate money to many charities but I pay my bills first! First!

Hillary is right.
If the dems want to lose in november…AGAIN…nominate Obama.
If the superdelegates aren’t there to steer the selection process toward a WINNER in a contest which is too close for either candidate to win outright…
GET OUT OF THE WAY.
Either way the ELECTORAL COLLEGE determines the next president.
If the DEMOCRATS can’t run a nominating process correctly…
No wonder the voters always send them down to defeat AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN.

Actually, Hillary has every right to question these two states because frankly we the citizens of Florida are doing that, and someone needs to speak out for us. I understand exactly why this decision was made, and how both parties would have to agree then. Hindsight is 20.20. But give this woman a break. We are in the most historically close election, and you have Obama supporters being like “rules are rules.” Come on! That isn’t hope or transformation–thats POLITICS. If you have the ability to get closer to truth, real truth, not truth based on human manipulation, then you seek it out as much as possible. I know both of these candidates are using this to their advantage. But I also know my vote should count, and if not, let me recast my same vote, and have it count then.

Bruce,
Obama has demonstrated time and time again in the short period he has been in the limelight they he is not trustworthy.
He has lied and decieved over and over.
If you can’t see that you are blinded by bias.
He is a typical politician when he has sold you a bunch of bull to the contrary.
I hear his supporters saying things like. It is common for politicians to do this and that.
He is saying he is going to change politics and let the will of the people be heard, and as always he actions have shown the complete opposite of that.
You keep living in his words of dreams instead of his actions in reality.

Disenfranchising American voters─ no other person knows more about this subject than our former Vice-President Al Gore. It is ironic we just witnessed the same thing happen to Hillary Clinton, that happened to Al Gore in November 2000. And as usual the whole Washington media establishment was silent, more or less abandoning their responsibility of safeguarding the rights of the people to vote in a democracy such as ours; neglecting their role to say the obvious. The fact that Sen. Obama’s lawyers had successfully block the re-voting of Michigan and Florida. Mr. David Brooks points out in his (3-25-08) column in The New York Times “Obama lawyers successfully prevented re-votes in Florida and Michigan.” This important statement was buried in otherwise as usual pro Obama piece that sees things for Sen. Obama’s favor in an obviously stalemated Democratic primary contest. But what disturbed me was the fact that David Brooks and other political writes in the media establishment seemed to have little regard for democratic process? I amazed that the preventing Michigan and Florida vote thus disfranchising millions of Democratic voters reminds me of the Supreme Court Handing over Florida vote to George Bush. In this new era of new politics that’s promised by Sen. Obama, can this really happen, or is this politics as usual– circa Florida 2000? The more Sen. Obama strains to speak of his new era of politics in America, less and less of it seemed real. Sen. Obama should practice what he preaches so blatantly and the presidential primary campaign is a good place to start…I think Al Gore should endorse Hilly Clinton.

Hillary voted for the bill that took us to war when over 70% of the people thought it was a good idea.
Sounds like action taken for the will of the people to me.
Obama was against the will of the people, but didn’t have a vote to answer for.
Now in MI and FL Hillary is trying to have the will of the people heard and Obama is against it.
He critisizes her for acting on the will of the people.
He campaigns he is for the will of the people.
He has a chance to have the will of the people heard in MI and FL and doesn’t act on it.
Hmmmmm!
He is a missleader not a leader.

Emilianna: What’s with this YOU people? I didn’t vote for Obama because he was black, it was because he lacks experience. Sorry, but living in Indonesia, having African relatives, and traveling to Pakistan does not equate to Foreign Policy experience. Goodness, I’ve been to Canada can I be the VP. Give people some credit that possibly their vote was for something other than race. It can happen.

Well, excuse me your imperial majesty!!! Both the Democrats and the Republicans decided BEFORE the primary elections in Florida and Michigan what they would do regarding deligates from those states if the elections were held in violation of pary rules. The Republicans decided to halve the size of the delegations from those states as punishment. The Democrats decided not to allow the seating of the delegations at their convention as punishment…
It doesn’t matter whether or not it was a Republican led legislature that forced the early votes – the Democrats could have simply done what the Republicans did and halve the size of the delegations. However, the Democrats decided to impose a “death penalty.” As a result, NO candidates campaigned in those states!!!
This was WELL KNOWN and ACKNOWLEDGED by all of the candidates at the time. Her Royal Calamity (HRC) should stop whining about her party failing to decide what to do – THEY ALREADY DID DECIDE and now she wants a different verdict!!!
She now expresses concern about the voters in Florida and Michigan being disenfranchised. Can she tell us how many Democrats voluntarily disenfranchised themselves because they knew BEFORE the election that their votes would NOT count so they didn’t bother to vote??? How many??? One million??? Two million??? Pick a number, any number…
Her argument is absurd!!! Mind you I am not an Obama supporter and I ain’t thrilled with McCain either. Frankly, I see the US having to suffer through another presidential election where the voters are forced to choose between the lesser of two evils…
Aren’t any of you tired of voting “against” someone as opposed to voting “for” someone??? Wouldn’t it be WONDERFUL if “None of the Above” were added to the ballots???

Politics should not determine if votes should be counted or not.

If Dean backs Obama, we will know what really happened here.

Just like Obama supporters to live in the what if world. They don’t like reality too much or they would not be backing Obama.
Fact is voters are being left out and many people don’t care because it is not their vote and their candidate is winning.
They critisize a politician for doing what ever it takes to win, then don’t take action to have votes counted just to win.
Your just as bad as the politician.
I thought the misiah Obama was going to change all that way of thinking, instead he is encouraging it.

Lynette,
Compared to living in another country when you where 10yrs old it does.

blazer 8914, you are right about PA, because I remember very well how Ohio was growing up, very bigoted and prejudiced folks outside the large Metros, it is supposed to be like Ohio, yikes he will loose, there are many Southern and Eastern state that way too. Thank God for the educated unbias Americans in our Country, otherwise it would be like living in the 80′s. Some guy said earlier Obama and Michelle were affirmative action folks, thank God for affirmative action in the 80′s also because ignorant predudiced people ran around trying to block diversity, unity and minorities rights to equal opportunities and protection under the law, so yeah for affirmative action. If think this country has been open- minded and diverse in the past your head
is in the toilet.

Caucuses are not fair for many reasons, this one is the worst!
Obama had a 182,482 lead after two caucuses (Colorado & Minnesota), but Hillary had a 228,781 lead in one primary (Ohio).
Obama gains +44 delegates, Hillary gains just +9 How lop-sided is that!

GS,
I agree with that last statement completly.

Change? From Hillary you got to be kidding. Hillary signed off on these rules along time ago! She is as much to blame for this as the rest of them. I’m not saying she isn’t right the votes should count I’m just saying she didn’t feel this way 15+ monthes ago when they all signed off on thisand it looked like she’d have a cake walk. Looks to me like typical “the boys are pickin on me agian” (in fake southern accent) crap.

Joe,
The campaign you say she cant’t run is running neck and neck with the most brilliant campaign in history according to all the media experts and Obama lovers.
Your point is not valid in any way.
Obama says he is going to change politics? How is he going to do that?
Is he going to do that by following all the rules? Is he going to fight to have rules changed when they are bad rules, because they are bad rules, or is he only going to fight for the rules that benifet him?

Tejasouth, I’d rather have a young educated open-minded prez. than ones my mother’s age who are too old to change old outdated beliefs, no offense to the other candidates.

Oh yea after shes done lets vote Jeb Bush in that’ll make this country great too!

Here is a woman concerned for the right to voter-are you kidding?
if she was concerned about right: how about the rights of these people she destroyed or used: Peter Paul, Susan McDouglal, Billy Dale abd Mr. Dales familiy were targeted on a personal level, Kathleen Willey-this is good she had PI on all the Bill’s women and threatened Kathleen Willey-why? not expose Bill on a sexual assault-that was Hillary’s orders-How about FALN-she could get a seat in NY if she had Bill Pardon these terrorist-Never mind that a Son’s father now has died in vain-the FALN killed his father, while he was eating at a restaurant in 1975-
wake up-HC is in it for herself

Mary that is a true statement he doesn’t take money from oil companies. But he takes money from there employees.
I work in biotech I donated him money does that mean he’s taking money from biotech companies?

Joe,
The differnce in votes.
1%
The diffeence in delegates.
1%
I guess your redfining neck and neck.
He can’t win after all the states have decided either. Rememeber the rules.
They have to have met or exceeded the number of pledged delegates to win.
Obama camp and supporters say the delegates should vote the will of the people, but at least three major delegates are voting against their peoples choice.
They just want to win and will say and do anything to do it.
SAME OLD POLITICS, SAY WHAT EVER AND DO WHAT EVER.
What kind of change is that?

tejasoutlaw, I dont belive in god so I could care less what a pastor says. To make it clear I am white, I hate what white people and our country have do to black people and other minorites. I can see where this rev wright guy is coming from and what he said doesn’t bother me. I’m gonna laugh when it turn out our government did creat aids!
Just jokin about the aids thing but I did hear that theroy befor wright or obama acctualy heard it on a slayer album. Go figure.

Joe,
If you don’t care about relegion, then why so adiment about a cheating husband?
Why can’t they just have free love when they want it?
I am also not suprised by the very negative attitude regarding this country. Seems many on Obamas side have this negative attitude including his wife. Sounds like you have a perfect pesimistic candidate to match the attitude.

I’m not a heathen I don’t think people should cheat on someone your commited to. I have parents they gave me values. I’m not negative about our country. I think if you want to move forward you have to remember where you came from.
Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it..

Ok guys I’ll leave you alone I got to get ready for a trip I want to ask you this though. What happens if he somehow wins penn? What then? Great debate guys!

Obama’s vote total is inflated by his massive Illinois count. Who knows how much fraud there was?

Were does Hillary get her money? Columbia perhaps funnled threw her husband perhaps?

No, the pledge signed was only NOT TO CAMPAIGN IN FLORIDA, WHERE OBAMA FLOODED OUR TV SCREENS WITH ADS.
Obama does not want our votes to count because in a fair election he loses hands down.
This is not what I want in the White House . I will work very hard to see that this is never going to happen.
I am not happy with the Democratic Party itself in the handling of this whole issue. They stink to high heaven.

President Obama has won this election because he is the WINNER! Hillary’s campaign doesn’t even believe she has more than a 5-10% chance of winning. Any of you people who believe otherwise are just doing exactly what the media want you to do. This is good ratings and big money to keep covering this stuff online, in the newspapers, and on cable. But they even know that Hillary has a 5-10% chance of winning. Never in history has a presidential candidate been selected with those odds. Face the facts! She lost because, well, she lost! Even she knows that if she drops out right now, she can’t keep raising money to pay the 10 million dollars of bills she owes vendors for their services towards her campaign. She needs it to continue so she can raise funds.
On a personal note, the Clinton’s used to be my favorite. But I’ve seen the character of both candidate’s in this election. I have to say that I am more disappointed at Bill and Hillary’s character than Barack’s. If you are losing, don’t sell out who you are just to win. Be who you are at all times. Embrace it, and stick to it. A wavering character is not something I can trust.

This woman is emanating the vibration of a playground bully much more than the leader of the free world.
She’s like the energizer bunny of personal ambition, never mind managing her campaign, paying her bills, practicing candor, recognizing the presence of inspiration and love in this contest.
It’s like archetypal, man!!!

There is not a candidate that is going to make this war disapear.
We are stuck and if congress can’t find a way to stop the idiot in office now whe will be stuck there indefinatly.
He is itching to start it with Iran, so we will be stuck there.
He is not worried about people, or history. He is concerned about filling pockets with cash and they aren’t our pockets.

Apologies to all for my bad spelling in my earlier post.
Keep in mind that a huge reason that Bush was elected was do to smear and fear.
Let’s not repeat a failed experiment; anyone that travels internationally is well aware of how we have gone from being loved by most to be reviled by most.
Happy Friday

Hillary Clinton does not have to fight this hard for the nomination but she is fighting with all she’s got. She is fighting for the American people. She is fighting for me. I truly believe that she is fighting for my sake and for my childrens sake. I am one of those people that suffered with the economy and have lost a job and soon will lose my home. Obama to me is just another politician with very big ambitions. He has ran for 4 different public office positions in the past 10 years. Why so fast and so soon? He should have cleaned his closet and got rid of Ayers, Wright, Farakhan, Larry Sinclair and I would probably give him a second thought. Hillary Clinton is not perfect but she is the best candidate we have that will put my future and my childrens future in mind. BTW, has anyone seen any media reporting of the NYC protest for Clinton?

Bob from DC,
We all will join Republican Party, then Bob you better to be more polite toward Hillary. All of you Obama’s supporters clearly cutting the branch that we are sitting on. Good luck.

Amazing how she agreed to exclude Fl and Mi when she was expecting a coronation. Now she’s behind and suddenly she can’t imagine abiding by her previous agreement. She needs Dr. Phil.

She’ll do anything to win, including but not limited to the destruction of the Democratic Party. Fortunately, her antics won’t be enough.

You know, the Constitution doesn’t mention primaries, or even parties for that matter, Emily. And the primaries only commit the delegates for the first polling at the convention. Delegates for MI and FL should be seated, whether or not they vote in the first polling. If there’s no winner at the first ballot, things should be very interesting!

So she wants every vote to count… unless the popular vote goes to Obama. Then it should be left to the judgement of the delegates.
It’s really astonishing that so many people in this country cannot see how completely full-of-it the clintons are. It’s just astonishing!

At different time and different situation, we should have different answer and solution in order to make things better. To keep the same words all the time no matter what, that is radical. The key issue is right now, the presidencial race is virtually tigh. To make more difference, count the FL and MI votes became critical. If Obama is little bit behind, I am sure he will make the same proposal as Hillary did. They violated the party rule, it is wrong, punish people the right to vote also wrong. To be fair for all – candidates and voters, count them all.

Okay, enough of the racist and sexist comments. The Democratic Party has stood for equality for all people. In 2000, as Democrats, we screamed bloody murder over the disenfranchisement of Florida voters. In 2008, the DNC and Senator Obama want to disenfranchise Florida and Michigan? It doesn’t fly. It’s not about Clinton or Obama, it’s about the voters and their rights being stripped. Rights most of our forefathers and foremothers fought hard for. Two hundred years ago, you had to be white, male, and wealthy in order to vote. On August 26, 1920, after two-thirds of the states had ratified the 19th Amendment to the Constitution, women won the right to vote. By the letter of the law, blacks had been allowed to vote since the passage of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution in 1868. Google the names, Bob Moses, Alice Paul, and Thomas Dorr. Find out how hard our ancestors fought for the right to vote. And now, 2.3 million voters are being told they have no rights. In the year 2008. Yes indeed, shame on the Democratic Party.

I AM A PROFESSIONAL WHITE WOMAN AND AM HILARY FAN. IN ALL FAIRNESS, I MUST ADMIT THAT OBAMA HAS BEEN THE ONLY CANDIDATE WHO HAS HAD THE COURAGE TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF RACE ELOQUENTLY (BEFORE OR AFTER THE WRIGHT ISSUE, THAT’S BESIDE THE POINT) AND HAS TRIED TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE RACE ISSUES FACING AMERICA. I CONSIDER MYSELF PRAGMATIC AND THEREFORE TRY TO AVOID THOSE WHO WANT TO MAKE THE WHOLE CAMPAIGN INTO A GENDER ISSUE.I WOULD DEFINITELY PREFER AND VOTE OBAMA OVER MCCAIN. WE HAVE HAD 8 YEARS OF REPUBLICANS’ DISASTROUS GOVERNANCE. IT HAS BEEN A DARK PERIOD FOR AMERICA.

illary Rodham Clinton wants voters to decide the nomination based on who can coolly and competently run the country. She had better hope they don’t study her recent campaign too closely for the answer. Clinton has overseen two major staff shake-ups in two months. She has left a trail of unpaid bills and unhappy vendors and had to loan her own campaign $5 million to keep it afloat in January. Her campaign badly underestimated her main adversary, Barack Obama, miscalculated the importance of organizing caucus states and was caught flat-footed after failing to lock up the nomination on Super Tuesday. The Clinton [...] campaign has been marked by strategic missteps, financial uncertainty and personnel drama. Its strengths — a supremely disciplined candidate and remarkable fundraising — have been undermined by other aspects of the enterprise, such as a headstrong, factionalized staff and a spendthrift approach. The conventional wisdom once held that it was Bill Clinton who was chronically improvisational and unable to run a tight ship. That flaw, it seems, runs in the family.It would be easy to dismiss all of this as fairly conventional political stumbling — if she hadn’t made her supreme readiness and managerial competence the central issue of her presidential campaign. .. “Any time you are involved in a long campaign, there are going to be major substantive and procedural gaffes,” says former Democratic Rep. David Bonior, an uncommitted superdelegate who served as the campaign manager to John Edwards. “The question is how a campaign handles those gaffes and how a candidate handles them. And I think it’s fair to say that Sen. Obama has handled [his] problems better than Sen. Clinton.” Clinton’s defenders argue that the relatively smooth-running Obama operation obscures the reality that the first-term Illinois senator is an untested, naive politician who showed little spine or genius during his unremarkable four years in the U.S. Senate. Clinton loyalists think the Obama story has a predictable conclusion: He gets torn apart by a ruthless GOP and crushed in the general election. But, it is also true that a fair measurement of the candidates’ leadership skills is their management of their campaign. Easily the largest enterprise they have run in their lives — in February alone, Obama had 1,280 paid employees, at a cost of $2.61 million; Clinton had 935 employees and a monthly payroll of $1.63 million — the campaign reveals flaws and strengths that will only be magnified in the Oval Office.

What about the democrats in Florida and Michigan who did not vote because they did not have the benefit of a campaign and had been told that their votes would not count?
I could understand the “disenfranchised voter” discussion if the people did not know in advance that the delegates would not be seated. They voted even though they KNEW IN ADVANCE the delegates would not be seated by the DNC. Now it’s an issue?
How to truly disenfranchise voters.
If you:
1. Did not get the benefit of having the candidates campaign so that you could have an idea of whom you were voting for. (Clinton had a direct advantage with this. She was the only candidate who had national name recognition, thanks to her husbands terms as president. ALL of the other candidates had to campaign state by state at that time. We did not know much about ANY other candidate, not just Obama.)
2. Chose not to vote because you were told it wouldn’t count for anything or voted in the republican primary so that your vote would count for something.
3. Found out AFTER THE FACT that votes would count when you chose an option based on the fact that you HAD BEEN TOLD THEY WOULDN’T!
Now THAT would guarantee genuinely disenfranchised voters.

Anne-Marie , just cause she is a woman, it does not mean she can lie, and lie a lot, it’s not like one or maybe two lies, it’s a mile long list of lies and now it’s to the point where nobody cares that she lies, you hear what you want to hear, but when she snaps her finger and you wake up, it’s too late…

Warweary, I can even begin to understand what you have been trough, but my opinion is that if these countries want us there, then they need to pay America for the service, we are building their infrastructure and the folks here in the U.S. have bigger problems of our own….

bpatz3 Sorry, I did not intentionally leave Bill Ayers out, I am unaware of him and find it best not to speak on things that I do not know.
cheers

Whiteguy2,
So you don’t want the voice of the people heard, you just want the delegates to be counted.
What since does that make?
The will of the people should be heard.
Splitting the delegates evenly is not the will of the people.
Man,
Howard Dean and company really skrewed things up.
The way the have done this is going to leave half of the party upset either way. How he could ever try to take away someones vote in the first place is beyond me.
I am from Texas, so I really wasn’t in tune with what the boneheads where doing.
Who cares when they vote.
Let them vote,
Let them vote,
Let them vote,
Yes we can,
Yes we can,
We are the richist country in the world. We can afford new elections.
If all them DEMS backed new elections it would happen.
The travisty is that one candidates followers don’t want it because they are afraid of the outcome.
They just want their candidate to win, not have the voice of all the people heard.

Yes warweary Thank you!
Ryan did not sign up yet he feels free to insure that many more Americans needless die with his ignorant views.

Hal, please read my comment again. I never say anything about lying. Perhaps you are so brainwashed by Obama’s campaign that you only see what you want to see. Even when it’s not there. I said she will provide leadership without confrontation, insults, and ego trips. Calling someone a liar is a confrontational insult. You must be a guy.
How ironic that you accuse me of only hearing what I want to hear.
You know what? If you are still holding on to some naive belief that there is a politician out there who does not lie, you truly are drinking kool aid. Yes folks, politicians lie. Even your precious Obama. He said dismissively in a national debate that he did a few hours of work for his Chicago slum lord friend Rezko, and that he only got $100K of campaign contributions from him which he returned, when in fact, he received over 200K in campaign contributions from him, and only bothered to acknowledge that a few weeks ago. Oh, and Rezko also helped him buy a $1.5 million dollar mansion.
Freaking wake up. Obama is a lying politician, inexperienced, and will be a puppet just like George W. Bush was–a puppet for the left-wing coalition of the Democratic Party.
Hillary is a moderate, centrist Democrat who if she wins despite Big Media bias against her, and despite Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi and Donna Brazile being against her she will truly be a President who has been chosen by the people, and not by the power brokers of Washington.

Ryan,
gotta run but did not want you to think I am ignoring you.
As you have reasons that prevent you from being drafted, consider your lover and other loved ones could be thanking you for your vote. They may be drafted!
Happy Friday

LA in Indiana
The agreement not to campaign in Florida also included a ban on electronic campaigning (TV and radio). Do your homework.

Her answer to columbia free trade is absolutely a sign of ignorance and stupidity. Is that a type of a person to be our president. NO WAY.

Petro, Hillary is exactly who I want for president. YES WAY! And what exactly do you mean, “a type of person?” What type are you referring to? Female? Experienced? Super educated and intelligent? Compassionate? Hard Worker? Public Servant? Why do people insist on demonizing this woman who has done more to help other people in her life time then most of us ever will or even care to? Your comment was actually shallow and pointless. Just more venomous, meaningless blather. What exactly do you think qualifies someone to be president, that Obama has and she doesn’t? A Y chromosome?
Let’s face it. Everyone makes up their mind based on mostly biased reasons that have nothing to do with who would make the best president.
This campaign and an outcome will not reflect who makes the best president, but who this country and its civilization at this point in time is willing to accept as its leader.
Who can more voters stomach in the end? An elderly white guy, a white older woman or a younger black or biracial guy?
Time will tell.

Some people have suggested Hillary was for seating the Fl and Mi delegations from the start. Well her campaign chief, Hariold Ickes was on the rules panel, and supported the rules panels decision that they shouldn’t count.
In Michigan, every other candidate took there name off the ballot, Hillary did not. In Florida they did not have time too, but I am convinced that if they had the opportunity, all the other candidates would have removed there names from the ballot.
In both states, those voting knew their votes were not electing delegates. I think actually its the height of fairness for the DNC and others to TRY find some resolution that leaves those states with seats at the convention. Its fine to suggest voters have been disenfranchised, but that happened before the elections took place. Clinton is being very disengenuos in my view to suggest that the results of flawed elections should be taken into account.

What’s really frustrating about this election is, in a nutshell, the Obama voters. When will you wake up?? When will you get your heads out of the clouds and face the reality of what is going on to this country in this world?? Stop wishing on a change tomorrow and start facing the reality of today?? We have a WAR–and a battle (we can’t forget Afghanastan), housing foreclosures, healthcare, a recession happening today. We are a country in crisis, that’s all coming to a head (dare I say, as planned) as Bush is on his way out. Do you really want or trust your immediate future in the hands of a novice, with a promising future instead of someone who has “lived” and EXPERIENCED a little more of life’s traumas? Do you really believe that in November, when the Republicans come knocking, that there will be enough people who will have your same amount of confidence in a rookie during these critical times? Absolutely NOT! In November, if it is Obama against McCain, we will lose. Obama does not give that vote of confidence for being able to rectify this country’s problems. We’ve got too much going on. Yes, Obama would be great if everything was not so topsy-turvy, like the pre-Bush era, but right now, Obama cannot handle being that multi-tasked. This is a chance for us to have a two for one, which is what we need. To hurry and get us back on track. Obama represents wishful thinking, that we can indulge in one day, but not today. Hillary is the reality of today. She is THE ONLY choice for this country. In the end, it is familiarity and experience that counts.

Annette – very well said. As I have been posting over and over again. I am living those issues right now. I have lost a job and my house is about to be foreclosed on. I have to consider my future and my childrens future in this election. Hillary Clinton might not be as eloquent as Obama…she might not be as pretty for the sight as Obama…but she knows what is at stake for this country right now. She might not be perfect but she is the best candidate we have.

Joe, first of all, you just called Hillary a loser, so I highly doubt you are still capable of having an open minded discussion about this, but I’ll play. First of all, in order to figure out who the best person for the job is, you have to have a system of judging them. And I think each person has different criteria for what a President of the U.S. should embody. So, name me your top 3 qualities that you think every President should have and we’ll go from there and compare the B and H.
(For example, I think a President needs to have experience in the field, have a record of working hard on behalf of people, and should be very diplomatic.)

OBAMA: You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.
Who does he think he is looking down on those people from small towns? Too arrogant.

Of course she is screaming.
But why did she keep the man on who helped create this problem. She should have Fired or at the very least bent Harold Ickes ear and had him vote no to punishing those states.
For the life of me i cannot figure out why she didnt?? According to her she cares for all the voters..her words my words are she cares to get the votes.
hummmm maybe abc or the huffingtonpost or nytimes will find out why???

Since when does observing that someone is bitter, perhaps even that they have a right to be bitter, been looking down on someone? If those people have gone 25 years without being able to find viable work, at least partially if not totally because of American foreign economic policy, they have plenty of reason for bitterness. I would be bitter in that case. The fact that I would be bitter would not make me less of a person but instead would simply make me human. The fact that anyone jumps on that observation as saying that they are less than is such a political ploy that it is indefensible. If someone loses a relative and another person observes that they seem depressed, does that mean that they are saying that person is a bad person? If someone is angry because they lost their job without just cause and it is observed does that mean that they are a bad person? The fact that some people are bitter, that they feel resentful or pain at their loss, is not a negative observation by Obama but simply a truthful one.

My democratic party had no plan for the mess were in MI and FL. So here is the a solution to allow the popular votes to stand since they have been certified by each Secy. of STate of MI and FL. Florida divide up the delagates according to have they would have been won and then penalize them by halving them. Michigan is different count the popular vote, sorry obama but you should have left your name on the ballot you should not get any delegates where your name isnt on the ballot american politics has been know for cheating and problems but how can you say give me half of the delegates when you told your backers to vote uncommitted, that might be what cause obama to lose in Nov, folks say Hillary has no complaint she agree only not to campaign in these states what idiot would give up two wins, obama followers i love them to death but as a TN blue dog democrat i believe a repeat of 2004 could happen where the elite and media control us voters going with the more liberal nominee and the GOP has learned a vaulable lesson after an unpopular conservative presdient a move more to the right of center or left of center would be a better change before going with liberal the exact reverse of bush. thats why hillary would have a better, not to say he couldnt win but it would be close, chance because she can easily pile up votes from the middle, the people left of me will be Democrats in the fall and GOP conservatives arent goin anywhere but to the right. we can have us folks in the middle torn because yall are giving the media something to do when this media that didnt catch GW in his lies and exposed him.
Clinton/Obama 08
Obama/Clinton 08
Ill take one of these choices or I’ll vote Independent for me
QT ’08

You know what people will do by what they have done in the past.
The Obamas gave 10% of their income.
Talk is cheap.
You do the math.

We have to count the votes of Michigan & Florida and leave it up to the delegates of those States to support the candidate they chose. We can’t disenfranchise voters. I know I would not like it if someone told me my vote did not matter. If there is no re-vote in those States, count the votes. The candidates will just have to live with the results. Peace.

I can’t believe anyone who is gullible enough to believe the polls – leading the ignorant and the sheep into mass destruction.
MSNBC and CNN are very biased! I can’t believe anyone would be blind or stupid enough not to see this.
MSNBC POLLS = LIES/MANIPULATIONS/BIAS FOR OBAMA
These are the people who are voting for Obama – individuals who cannot research and reason on their own. MSNBC said go jump over a cliff because it is the right thing to do – you would do it.
Also, this ridiculous hatred of the Clintons is the most stupid thing – does anyone remember the wonderful years during Bill Clinton’s administration? We need some serious help right now – we are in trouble.
May God help us!!!!
HILLARY 08 or I will do a write in candidate

for Hillary: Maybe you can’t stand yourself. Obama is not going to win the nomination so brace yourself for that. I don’t like Obama, and any American that does are in the same category as he is. He is anti-american, a liar, fake, copycat and I just read that Obama got a book of RFK’s speeches so he could study them. Isn’t he smart for going to college? Give me a break!!

Bob: I got news for you, Obama is going to be the loser and all the Obama voters are going to cry in their beer. And that’s the best thing that can happen so American can get back to where it was if Hillary or McCain are elected. Obama doesn’t have the brains to sit on or the window to throw them out of. Get a grip and wake up.

Hillary Clinton changes her stance with the direction of the wind. She is like whichever one favors her, she is all for it notwithstanding what she previously said. This is why she could say that Michigan and Florida votes would count for nothing, and when the tides changed against her she came out in full support of Michigan and Florida. It is a SHAME. My guess is: Hillary Clinton does not believe in anything AND DOES NOT CARE ABOUT HOW SHE IS SEEN BY OTHERS AS LONG AS SHE WINS.
During the Ohio-Texas primary, she ranted the notorious “shame on you, Obama” on NAFTA; the next day news had it that it was her own campaign that actually approached Canada and she denied it. The press passed on that and she won both primaries although Sen. Obama got more delegates in Texas – thank God for that.
I know that some people who vote for Hillary do that no matter what they found out about her including her lies about Bosnia sniper fire, $800,000.00 PAID TO Bill Clinton or $300,000.00 paid to Mark Penn, her campaign strategist – I am not one of those thank God, and I used to support her. I am a woman and a free and godly one who do not think that lies and politics go hand in hand. I am sorry for those who think that politics and lies are synonymous. I am happy I saw the light.
She claims to oppose NAFTA and Colombia free trade while her campaign chief strategist, Mark Penn was paid $300,000.00 by Colombia government. As that was not insult enough on us voters we learned that Bill Clinton, her husband had been paid $800,000.00 by same Colombian government for the same purpose for which Mark Penn was paid – to lobby for them. That she can look supporters in the eyes and tell them she does not support Colombia free trade or NAFTA is the same way she looked them straight in the eyes and told them the fabricated Bosnia sniper fire fiction as reality.
You know, anything I remember that she voted in support of the bill that made it impossible for poor people (who she claims to fight) to file for bankruptcy I have cold shivers. How can she say she is fighting for poor people and yet would support this bill that has made life more unbearable?
Does anyone wonder why she is so insistent on winning the nomination? Answer: $800,000.00.
HILLARY CLINTON IS A BOLD FACE LIAR. I am sorry I sound like this.

Hillary, I hope you get the nomination but if the Democrats are stupid enough to put up Obama as their nominee, you owe them nothing to unite the party or to stand behind Obama.
If they put up Obama, then the Democrats deserve to lose the White House and dont you even tell us, the 28%, to unite behind Obama. Because we never will, Hillary, because we know better. Country first, Hillary;
Then party.
We will not vote Obama, not even if you bought us breakfast, lunch and dinner.
And not even if you called us personally to make the request.
Country before party …
Hillary, then MCCAIN.
But keep running, Hillary … Maybe, the Democrats will wise up before it is too late for the party !!!

I remember Hillary’s speeches back when she was winning saying “MI and FL didn’t mean anything because they had been stripped of the delegate count.” She didnt care about these people then. How like her now to say that Obama blocked a revote when he actually said “he supported a revote in FL and MI as long as it was fair”.