Clinton Family Loan Mystery

Once again, we’re reminded of one of the real Clinton legacies. They’re both shady characters as evidenced by this and Hillary’s Rose law firm connections.
Obama too is caught up in a network of shady characters. I’m sure there will be much more on this as time goes by.
It’s a tough choice for democrats to make. Kind of like “my candidate is less shady than your candidate”.

What hypocrisy, Vanessa, everybody knows Mark Penn’s company does some business lobbying, it’s been know for ten years.
There’s nothing wrong with the tax returns and they haven’t delayed their release: Obama published his just last week. Is a week too long a delay?

I think the efficacy of bringing up this loan issue is about nil. It is a private loan and you are attempting to stir controversy by drawing a conclusion that may or may not be real. Even if the loan were to them, who cares? You don’t loan money to your family?
Didn’t we just find out that Angelina Jolie is a distant cousin of Hillary? Maybe the loan is to her to help in the adoption process of the ever-expanding Jolie-Pitt family.

I think that is the clue to their desparation in this campaign. They need the office of the president to be able to issue a few more pardons before more things are exposed.

These two democratic candidates make Richard Nixon look like a saint!

Let’s see should you
a)Help out your family
or
b) Call them racist and kick them under the bus
and how money money did Obama give his racist “uncle” Jeremiah?

The Cayman Islands seem to have a story to tell about another 15 Million. And if Mark Penn is lobbying Columbia, who’s to say he didn’t pull a fast one in Canada. Fortunately, the issue is too complex to condense to an anti-Hillary slogan that Pennsylvanians will care about. But clearly, she’s saying one thing. While Mark Penn and his employer Burson-Marsteller is getting the trade deal they need for their client. And doing it in Hillary’s name. Like some us have been pointing out for some time.

Speaking of the Clintons’ Cayman Island investments, this from a speech by Hillary Clinton on March 3, 2004:
“We know that people who create a mailbox, or a drop, or send one person to sit on the beach in some island paradise and claim that it is their offshore headquarters know exactly what they’re doing. They’re playing the American economy, they are sucker-punching the American taxpayer, and they’re taking advantage of the customers and consumers that still provide the bulk of their profits. I think it’s wrong, and we need to end it. And this should be a non-partisan, let alone bipartisan issue, in order to do so, to tilt the scales back in favor of American companies creating jobs here.”

Who cares about the polls they change with the wind the facts are the facts this has been an unfair race thier has been more sexism and gender bias and media bias and how about party bias in our own party. I know I will vote MCcain if Obama is on the ticket or I will write Hillary.
Vanessa working saturday’s now is Obama that worried?
count all the votes

Now, in the wake of the launch of her presidential campaign, the pardon controversy has reemerged in an obscure court case in which Senator Clinton’s brother Tony is battling an order to repay more than $100,000 he received from a couple pardoned by President Clinton.
Tony Rodham, who acknowledged approaching the president about a pardon for the couple, is the second of Hillary Clinton’s brothers to receive money from people who were eventually pardoned by President
I wonder s this the loan hummmmm.
Maybe Tony didnt get the money maybe Bil and Hill did?

It is if bill and hill got the money dont you think?
Hugh Rodham received $400,000 from two people, one of whom was pardoned and one whose sentence was commuted.

There are many family’s with wealth that help other family members to achievethe same goal and because they love thier familes. This I know first hand go Hillary

Bishop
Does love of family justify pardoning a member who is a convicted crook?

It is very strange the Clintons extended their 2007 tax returns until August. They did not want the public to know where extra money may be coming from. About loaning family money, I have loaned my family money, but it was between me and my family, not Uncle Sam! Anything over $10,000.00 has to be reported. I feel there is something really sneaky going on. The thing that amazes me is the fact alot of people want to forget what went on in the White House when the Clintons were there. I was never so ashamed of a President as I was of the President then. I do not know how he can go around and give speeches and expect people to admire him. Yes, you can forgive, but its hard to forget if you lived in that era. Makes me wonder how worse can things get should “they” by a miracle or cheating get in office. All I can say is pray for our Country. President Clinton saved the economy, but at what cost? I will choose someone who is ethical and is morally right, and has good old common sense! My vote goes for Mr. Obama.

None of them has been seen much (or at all) during Sen. Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign, not without good
reason. I don’t think many people have noticed it . It does seem weird your your sister running for President and
you are not out there stumping for her ? Why are they not out there with their faces on the Media? Why do they not at the very least be with their niece?
Strange or maybe people would start asking questions ? And we all know Questions are deadly for Hills campaign.

Homes
Yes if the only sin is being related to the First Lady

THE BOTTOM LINE IS, YOU JUST CANNOT TRUST THE CLINTONS PEROID.

Not only did Clinton’s top strategist Mark Penn meet this past week with Colombian officials to help pass the trade deal, Bill Clinton is a personal friend of Colombia’s president Uribe. Clinton received millions in kickbacks in a deal involving a Canadian official and Uribe.
Google Bill Clinton and Uribe, and you’ll find all kinds of great information about the relationship between Bill Clinton and Colombia’s Uribe – along with the murdering of union workers in that country.
Ask yourself why two days after Mark Penn’s meeting, President Uribe publicly blasted Obama for not supporting the Colombia trade agreement – yet spoke not one word against Hillary – who says publicly she is also opposed to it.
Between Hillary’s top strategist and her husband, Colombia’s been given much much more than a “wink wink”.
The Clintons are repulsive for claiming to represent the working class while working behind their backs with foreign countries on trade agreements that their supporters oppose and that undermine their jobs and this country.

Who paid for the speeches and who paid for the Clinton library – we need to not let those issues be dodged. If a company pays millions for a speech the company expects what?

I’m glad they put the taxes out now where are Obama’s state sen. papers Oh yeah the dog ate them

Abe
Didnt she and Rendell say that she has been throughly vetted? she wants Barack vetted.
No i think Rendell said there was 10% that was still out there?
This must be the 10% or maybe 1%
Another smokescreen. Throughly vetted my butt. drip ,drip , out comes the info.

How about some balance journalism?
Are you also going to delve into the taxes
taxes & finances of OBAMA & MCCAIN?
Are you also going to delve into
GEORGE BUSH’S brother, who was
involved in the S&L scandal & bail
out?
Are you also going to delve into
VICE PRESICENT CHENEY’S relationship
with his former company HALLIBURTON
& KBR?
Please don’t sink into the partisan
reporting which never questioned
BUSH & CHENEY when they charged into
this War with flimsy evidence &
little questioning by the media?
Sincerely,
John Sheehan

I haven’t seen Obama’s family either. Not even his GRANDPARENTS have shown their faces to defend him from the Rev. Wright’s attack and I don’t think she will after he said “my grandmother is a tipical white person”.

None of anyone’s business which family members were loaned money. Jake, would you like to disclose your tax returns and possibly embarass your siblings or mother?
As to presidential pardons and clemency, Bill Clinton’s stats on both were not unique at all. Take a look at the following list:
Franklin D. Roosevelt 3687
Woodrow Wilson 2480
Harry S. Truman 2044
Calvin Coolidge 1545
Herbert Hoover 1385
Ulysses S. Grant 1332
Lyndon B. Johnson 1187
Dwight D. Eisenhower 1157
Grover Cleveland * 1107
Theodore Roosevelt * 981
Richard Nixon 926
William McKinley * 918
Rutherford B. Hayes 893
Warren G. Harding 800
William H. Taft 758
Andrew Johnson 654
Benjamin Harrison 613
John F. Kennedy 575
Jimmy Carter 566
Bill Clinton 456
James Monroe 419
Gerald Ford 409
Ronald Reagan 406
Andrew Jackson 386
Abraham Lincoln 343
Chester Arthur 337
James K. Polk 268
John Tyler 209
James Madison 196
John Quincy Adams 183
Millard Fillmore 170
Martin Van Buren 168
James Buchanan 150
Franklin Pierce 142
Thomas Jefferson 119
George Bush 77
Zachary Taylor 38
John Adams 21
George Washington 16
James Garfield 0
William H Harrison 0

First, it is extremely common for rich people (and the Clinton’s certainly qualify) to “loan” money to their relatives that in most cases may never be repaid. Nothing suspicious there.
Second, if you are inferring that Bill Clinton received a “quid pro quo” from a relative for issuing a pardon, it would not be the Clinton’s “loaning” money to the relative, the payments would be flowing in the opposite direction.
I am afraid that you are grasping at straws to trash the Clintons.
Thank you for doing so. I have been arguing in my blog that the mainstream media (in your case ABC News) has a bias for Obama and against the Clintons, and, by transparent example you make the case for me.

You can pick your friends but not your family. I am sure that is what G.H.W. Bush is thinking these days. If loyalty to one’s family is criminal well then that would put a lot of us away. Why is it that pardoning these people is suspect, but we all just sort of accepted the pardon of Libby who covered up the outing of a covert agent during time of war for political purposes? Isn’t that the text book definition of high crimes and misdemeanors?

It doesn’t matter what Clinton or Obama say or do anymore. They have lost the independent vote. Alas, independents will vote for 4 more years rather than vote with latte liberals for a corrupt church fed racist or a weak woman who stayed with a cheating husband for political power. They are both losers…

How come that Hillary’s and Bill’s brothers are all indicted crooks? Does crime run in these families? Why are all these folks so totally obsessed with power and money?
For the Clintons, politics is business. So they are in the right country, but not in the right party.
They are a disgrace to the legacy of the Bobby Kennedy and Dr. King. As Democrats, agents of social change and fighters against poverty, they are fakers. Limo liberals.

“I stayed with Clinton…I know she is not going to be distracted in trying to make money for herself.”
LOL! If these Clintons of yours hadn’t been VERY busy trying to make money for themselves all the time, where did these 109 millions dollars come from then?
Are you naive or is a Friday night hangover troubling you?

Stephen
maybe the money did flow to them. Now that the boys have to give the money back .
Maybe thats why for the sole called loans which are intrest free?

Is the American public so truly naive that they believe politics is some sort of clean, bucolic pasture or tract of virgin forest where NOTHING can possibly go wrong? It never fails to amaze me how utterly clueless people are.
Politics is a dirty, dirty business. It has been from its inception. Obama is no more a sacrificial virgin than any other candidate. These are the movers and the shakers, the people who direct our society in one direction or another. Expecting politics to be clean is like waking up in the morning a gazillionaire.
Of course, Obama has done a brilliant job of spoon-feeding this illusion to the masses.

@WL
“I haven’t seen Obama’s family either.”
?
You mean you haven’t seen and heard his sister who lives in Hawaï and campaigned there for him?!
A very intelligent, wise and kind woman. She’s wonderful. Do check her out on the Internet.

answer to your final question. True. NOYB.

Neither candidate can be believed. Vote for a candidate who stands for the good of the people instead of what is good for himself. Vote Nader.

The Clinton’s will most likely be indicted before 2010-no matter if it is McCain or Obama in the White House.
The only question will be if they can buy one of those pardons that they so freely peddled.
What a couple of razzle dazzle slimeballs!

BREAKING NEWS: Mark Penn ‘fired’ by the Colombian government.
The Colombian government said on Saturday that it was ending its relationship with Burson-Marsteller, the global public relations firm headed by Mark Penn, who is also Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton’s pollster and chief strategist. (NYT)
And it should be Hillary’s turn!
If she keeps Penn on board, there’ll be no further reason to trust ANYTHING her campaign comes up with.

At the time of this Post there had been 60 previous comments, 13 of which were incoherrent rants on Senator Barack Obama. How this addresses the Clinton Loan History to Family Members is beyond me. Jay Carson, Clinton spokesman answers with thye now infamous Chelsea response “none of your business”. No sane person would begrudge anyone from earning money (legally). Most of us admire Bill Gates, Operah, Bloomberg and others who individually came from nothing to earn significant wealth by hard work. That is not the question here. What is being asked is who are these “family members” who recieved the loans? I had to borrow $2,500 from my sister recently, these types of family loans go on all the time. I loaned my brother money for an emergency. Like most of us, I insist on sanity and maturity in thes discourses. If half brother Rodger and brother in law Hugh got a few bucks from the Clintons what is the cry against that and why? Instead of answering a simple question, other questions now arise. The more we find out about the Clintons the more of a mystery they become.

Grasping at straws Jake. Who haven’t bailed out a family member? I know I have.

Jake:
Let’s see, the Clintons are being so open they play the old media trick by releasing thier returns late on a Friday night.
Our business? No it is not any of our business. Just like it is none of our business to find out who has donated money to the Clinton Presidential Library even though on the way out of the White House he issued several pardons.
Just like the Clintons’ marriage and Bill’s sex life were none of our business back in the 90′s. Even though the tawdry Paula Jones case, which was later settled, became an impeachment battle that occupied our nation for over a year. A year mind you when a group hate mongers hatched a plan to fly passenger airplanes into buildings.
When will people ever face up to the reality that Bill and Hillary Clinton are just plane dishonest people.

Give it a rest. The family gave 10% of his earned money to charity and used good old capitalism to make money. If anyone thinks that’s wrong, they don’t understand what America is all about. Ask Bill Gates or Warren Buffet, if they gave 6 billion dollars each to charity (10% of their holding). I think not so please move on with issues. She gave us her tax return and it shows she gave a lot more money to charity than the most Americans, including Obama. Lets just move on and concentrate on the issues facing America. I find this article distasteful and foolish at best.

It matters not who the Clinton’s gave money to. This is a distraction.
She voted for and has continually supported the war on Iraq. She has disgraced herself and our party with her Bosnia Betty lies. She supported the Real ID Act and has failed to oppose immunity for telecoms therefor compromising our privacy.
The fact that she and Bill have so much money tells me only one thing, they will never embrace a populist outlook.
No wonder Bill turned his back on the poor while he was President. No wonder Hillary rarely, if ever, addresses their plight.
These people are just like the Bush family. Lust for power and wealth has replaced all dignity and respect for truth.
She has failed, and we are lucky she did.

Wow, yet again Hillary is held to a standard that is no where near the one set for Obama.
Not to be harsh Jay, but how about a story pushing for Obama to explain how his records from his time in the state Senate either got thrown away or put in storage??
How convenient for him, and how interesting that the press is not demanding more information about how or why this information is missing from the record.
If Obama can tout an anti-war speech he made while a state senator, is that all we’re going to be able to know?
Believe me, the loyal opposition is scouring the land looking for someone who knows where those records are and will make sure they get brought into the public record. But I am saddened that the press is giving Obama a pass with such a weak excuse for something so important.

Do you have to be poor to work for the working class? Give me an example who can.

Amy:
No, you don’t have to be poor to help average people.
But the point is moot because Hillary has rarely helped anyone but herself. And even then, there is always an ulterior motive that pales the charitable before the opportune.

The Democrats have become the party of the rich – many of whom got that way by saying they’re for the poor people.
It’s just a scam on the innocent believers. Hillary chewed out Bill for hanging out with people who weren’t “rich and successful”. Ask the secret service, or waitresses, or the WH Travel office employees what she really thinks of the “little people”.

Matt:
Good questions.
The answer is simple, the Clinton’s are Neocons dressed in Blue.

Maggie:
I absolutely agree with you. This is the worst that ABC can come up with?? Loans to family members? Yikes!
People forget that when the Clintons left the White House they were essentially homeless and mired in debt from defending themselves.
I absolutely admire their resilience and stamina and hard work.

John Adams
Hillary is free to pay the government more money any time she wants…what’s stopping her?
What I don’t like is she wants to take my money and give it to someone else and take your money and give it to me – via whatever focus group polled plan she comes up with to further her image of Dear Leader. And all the while she’s dealing under the table for herself. The way she has treated people who she deems unimportant or in her way tells me all I need to know about her, nevermind the mountains of dirt she’s accumulated.

Let’s see? Clinton who solds the US econmy to China as well as the Panama Canal Zone and all the missel technology to fire rockets and satelites properly.
Obama whose racist Pastor loves Farrakhan, and who willing throw his grandmother under the bus.
Or McCain who works with Democrats to the dismay of the GOP, will not sell out his country or his mates.

SuziQ, both Democratic candidates will, by the very nature of the horrific damage the Bush administration has done to this country, be unable to enact much in the way of anything in terms of wealth redistribution, something the non-thinkers who will vote for McCain seem to fear. They’ll spend their first term trying to put their thumbs in the dikes.

I hope you are right, captainkona. Hillary is not my choice by any means, but we have to keep focused (disclaimer: I’m not involved in politics in any way). When I watched the California debates the biggest applause wasn’t for anything either of them said but for when the reporter asked about the possibility of a dream ticket. They were both clearly touched by that moment. It’s one most of us have forgotten. Are the Clintons a bit slimy? In my opinion, yes. That’s why I voted for Obama. But she’s awfully smart, as is Obama. McCain, like Bush, seems dumb as a tube of glue. I just want somebody with intelligence in this office. I’m sick of people with pea-sized brains interacting with the other members of this planet and destroying our economy.

Bottom line: this is about ending 8 years of Bush policy. If for one second you think Clinton or McCain are more able than Obama to depart from this kind of failed leadership than that says more about you and your conservative platform here on this blog. Naked and exposed. And I never forget that some of the anti-Obama bloggers here have even deeper issues and agendas that represent more of themselves rather than Clinton or McCain.

Loans to family members? If this is the worst thing you can find in 8 years of tax returns? PATHETIC, The point is simply that their relatives are all crooks…and it runs in their family.
Both Democratic candidates stink and are far from the best this party has to offer.

I was interested in Obama until I heard his pastor. How can anyone sit there and listen to this? And he was saying the opposite of what I thought Obama was about which is putting the end to the divisiveness. I’m also worried that he is naive but I suppose if he becomes President that all the President’s men and the daily intelligence briefings will leave less room for error. Other than that I find him very likable and more importantly, intelligent and measured. I doubt he’ll yank all the troops out of Iraq – we’ve still got troops in Germany! If he could get an initiative going to get us off foreign oil so we could quit feeding our enemies I’d consider him a hero.
Hillary is corrupt – the way she has compromised everything that any of us would consider principles to get herself power – and money – is enough for me. I don’t care what government programs with other people’s money she comes up with to buy my vote. No way am I voting for her. Ever.

I am on my way to the Washington state legislative caucus to throw my support to Hillary! This race isn’t over yet folks — the pundits need to find another day job.
Posted by: LOM
—————-
LOM, Senator Obama won the Washington Caucuses by HUGE margins; not only that, he also took every county, in other words, the entire state.
Hilliary and her campaign belittled Washington State and ALL other caucus states as unimportant, they don’t matter, they don’t count, and they are undemocratic, therefore the voters don’t count, as they too, are unimportant, we do not matter, and we are “undemocratic”!!. In other words, she has thrown the caucus states and their voters under the bus. She has done the same to the smaller states that voted for Senator Obama in the Primaries. SO, you see, the eleven(11) states Senator Obama won in a row did not and do not matter to Hillary. In fact ANY state won by Senator Obama is NOT important to Hillary. ONLY the BIG states with the BIG delegate count mattered to her! Talk about throwing more than half of the states, that have voted for Senator Obama, under the bus!!
I am ashamed of Hillary, Bill, and her camp. I am ashamed of you as well for supporting Hillary when she discounts us as not important!!
I am a Washingtonion and very proud our state has shown we do not want the Clintons back in the White House under any circumstances. Thank you, fellow Washingtonions for standing up for what is right!

One of the Rodham brothers made millions of dollars as an attorney in the big tobacco settlement in Florida while Bill Clinton was president. It was one of those deals where the attorneys got rich, the tobacco uses received nothing, and politicians took credit for going after ‘big tobacco’. It was nothing more than a big show that took money from the tobacco industry and gave it to a bunch of attorneys — many of whom had connections with politicians.

@NinaK | Apr 5, 2008 3:10:48 PM:
I never said anything about how WA state went. I was talking about the state of the entire contest and how it’s not over.
I have no doubts that the results of the caucuses are still going to favor Obama. That has been the trend of caucuses across the nation. Washington is unique that we got to pay $10M for a primary as well which showed that the state did not favor Obama to the degree that the caucus did. Whereas the caucus overwhelmingly went for Obama, it is not a true reflection of how the state feels as was evident in the results of the primary.

so bill earns all that money because he likes to talk. im would think if one wanted to invest he would hire someone from wallstreet this is more like what can you do for me once your back in the white house the only ones who lose are us whoever sits in the big chair we lose its time we start thinking about how to put it back to what it was meant to be a a goverment that works for the people

“In other words, she has thrown the caucus states and their voters under the bus.”
And Obama is throwing MI and FL under the bus.
So, I guess we’re even.
Posted by LOM
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Senator Obama has consistently stated he would abide by whatever the DNC decided as long as it was fair.
The Democrat National Committee made the rules and applied to ALL states. Michigan and Florida CHOSE to defy the DNC and moved up their primaries from their scheduled primary dates. So, the DNC, true to its word, penalized MI and FL by not seating those states’ delegates. Please don’t forget that ALL the states and ALL THE CANDIDATES AGREED to the DNC rules. Hillary went so far as to say MI and FL did not matter–but, then, Hillary was wearing her “inevitability crown” which the media had bestowed upon her head by claiming Hillary was “the shoe-in” and “the inevitable nominee”. When she discovered her “inevitable crown” had fallen off her head, she began hollering that the delegates from these states be counted in her favor; when that did not work, she then demanded redoing the primaries. Florida and Michigan have decided there will be NO redoing of primaries or caucuses. SO, just how is Senator Obama responsible for this??? It is, in fact, the Florida and Michigan state leaders that threw their states and their voters under the bus. To blame Senator Obama is not only outrageous, it is asinine.

For those who want to continue to say MI and FL broke the rules are not seeing the bigger picture. They are CRITICAL swing states in the general election and if they feel the slightest disenfranchised by any candidate, it’s going to be a tougher sell in the GE.
If Obama is such a great leader, where is his leadership in resolving this issue one way or another? His campaign has been relatively quiet on the issue other than proposing state-wide caucuses. Gee, that isn’t transparent, is it?

Maybe he makes millions giving speeches because he is the best Democratic President since JOHNSON, no offense Carter.
People used to respect him before Obama was on the scene….and that’s because Obama hasn’t even served as President.
People don’t even know if he’ll be a GOOD President or if he can even beat McCain in a general election!

@ hank
I’ve seen all of Hillary’s televised speeches and rallies and i’ve never heard that story. Sorry. It is NOT “the overall narrative of the Clinton candidacy”.
Hillary’s overall narrative is her SOLUTIONS.

Bill wants Hillary to bow out as well. He knows the race is over.
Why else would he now say that Hillary needs to win North Carolina? He said the same about Texas and Ohio, when Hillary still had a lead. But North Carolina… today’s Rasmussen NC poll gives Obama a 23 point lead.
“Bill Clinton said Friday in Charlotte that his wife’s presidential bid hinges in many ways on whether the New York senator wins North Carolina’s Democratic primary.
Speaking to about 4,000 at a rally at UNC Charlotte, the former president said Hillary Clinton would likely have to win the state’s May 6 primary to have any chance at winning the overall popular vote and ultimately overtaking Sen. Barack Obama as the party’s nominee.”
While Obama is 23 up? What Bill is saying here is: Hill, this race is over.

@ John
“We doesn’t use the argument: Hillary has a chance to be the FIRST FEMALE President. We don’t play the gender card.”
Wow! You’re lying even a lot harder than your heroine. All over her official site Hillary is presented as an ‘advocate for women’. And check her official blog with all the highlighting of women serving the country, and those official statement – all by women – about Hillary being such a great advocate for…. women again! LOL.
All this in stark contrast with the Obama site. Nowhere Obama is portrayed as advocate for black Americans, and just imagine that his site would be about highlighting only black people’s services to our country… Nothing would against the general and embracing spirit of the Obama campaign which is about ALL Americans.
In other words: the OPPOSITE of what you say is true, so yes, you MUST be a Clintonite.

@ marian…
hey genius, it WAS WOMEN’s HISTORY month in MARCH!
lol.
Women’s history month follows Black history month.
Disregarding all the facts, you must be an Obamaican

@ hank
Billy Cunningham and McCain had the exact same relationship!
and McCain himself apologized…not some spokesperson!
This is a series of attacks from Obama and his camp trying to paint McCain as a warmonger…
“McCain wants to stay in Iraq for a hundred years”
-Barack Obama

McCain just needs the right ECONOMIST/FORMER GOVERNOR…Charlie Christ of Florida (win win for McCain because Obama disenfranchised Florida) and McCain will be the 44th President.

This is nuts! I just loaded a family member 50k on Thursday to help save their home. Because the family member and their spouse lost their job. Their company was moved to India.
It’s none of anyone damn business who loans whom what! Why are we not talking about what is happening to families in America. Before we are forced to speak Chinese! The stupidity here is outragous!

John McCain is a C- student. Don’t the Republicans have a person with a brain to lead the party. There is no way I am going to listen to John Mc Bush for 4 years – no way. It’s a shame that people are so jealous of Obama – he is the best thing that has happened to America is makes these other people look like idiots. Look at what they have done to this country with all that experience. Next time we need a smart president – we can see experience is over-rated!

Hey William – you are correct! But then your family member is not running for president. We need to know if we have crooks in the White House, before we put them in, not after! The Clintons are suspect, as usual.

@ julescator
On healthcare…if her plan is horrible, why does JOHN EDWARDS’ wife support it over Obama’s?

and that is because Elizabeth Edwards hates Hillary Clinton!

and if Obama doesn’t have Hillary as his veep, do you honestly believe Clinton supporters would jump on the Obamawagon?

@ julescator
More disrespect from the Obama camp.
John Edwards, of N. Carolina, a Presidential wannabe? and his wife, Elizabeth Edwards, who has cancer and is supporting Hillary Clinton’s healthcare plan because it cover people who have preexisting conditions such as cancer.
Keep that up so you’ll cut Obama’s lead in North Carolina!

“Hillary had met and heard MLK”
That’s why I compared her tearing up to Bobby Kennedy’s speech. I hope I don’t have to inform about Bobby’s relation to Dr. King and his love for the african american people, many of whom were in his audience in Indianapolis, only to be totally devastated by Bobby’s announcement. “These are my people,” Bobby said with a sincere feeling of political responsability and love about black people struggling in America and fighting for their rights.
Bobby was a leader, Obama is a leader, Hillary is tearing up.
Which makes me realize that you and other idiots would slam Obama for saying something even remotely like Bobby Kennedy said.

John – that makes Obama smarter than Bush. Obama has to work with what’s happening right now. He knows he can’t walk away from the impossible situation Bush and Hillary put us in. He will end the war as resonably as possible. We will never win this war I dont’ care if we stay they for 200 years and are flying the Chinese flag! Get a grip. If this war could be won, we would have won it already! We have the finest militay in the world – are you getting a clue yet?

@ herta
If Hillary Clinton cries she is weak, but if Hillary is emotionless she isn’t human. Please makeup your mind and I don’t see what MLK has to do with picking our next President unless you want to say MLK was truly post race, which he was, and Obama, who is biracial is not! He plays the race card at every opportunity even to defend a “pastor”(using that word loosely) who blames white americans for all the problems of african americans. i’m hispanic and i don’t hear my people blaming white people for anything.

@ HANK
How many times is his Iraq strategy going to change?
Republicans will call him a flip flopper and swiftboat him! John Kerry in ’04 anyone? and Kerry didn’t have a loony pastor in the wings like Obama does.
Obama is toast.

“Obama is toast.”
So far only Hillary is toast, and in GE we’ll see, won’t we? My expectation is that McCain will be nowhere at the end of it, but we’ll wait and see.

and Kerry has been everywhere that will give him a mic talking about his support for Obama.
I think Kerry should go away because he couldn’t beat Bush in 04!
and every democratic supported him, he was the Obama of ’04 , and Kerry couldn’t seal the deal in the GENERAL!

ADAMS:
You’re right.
You had a dream.

julescator posted:
“that makes Obama smarter than Bush”
My God, I would hope so. LOL I will give you that one. LOL

The media are working feverishly to drive Hillary out of this primary, but their machinations won’t work. The seasoned, tested Hillary Clinton will will make a far better President than the inexperienced, unvetted Barak Obama. I don’t want a President who has to ask everybody else what to do. I want a President who understands the issues and already knows what to do. That candidate is Hillary Clinton!
Hillary will win PA!

Kerry, I hope you are right. Tim Russert had Christopher Hitchens and Andrew Sullavan on his show. Could he be more obvious, two people who HATE Hillary. You would think he would have someone on to balance the coverage, but they don’t even care what they look like. I have never seen anything like the media hate-feast.
Send contributions to Hillary.

Tina D
Crist is a decent gov – way better than Jeb — and I don’t care about his “preferences”
I was just pointing out to the uninformed posters here – why he will never be on a national ticket
(you seem to understand this already!)

I thought this was about private loans from the Clintons – I’ve been wondering throughout the campaign where Hillary’s brothers were keeping themselves. I know they’re not up for election, but they were both in big trouble after Bill’s term of office – and one had legal troubles about timely child support payments to former wife, B. Boxer’s daughter.
Would be interesting to know who they’re lending to in their own circles.

“Send contributions to Hillary”
No we won’t.
Btw, who is so foolish to send money to a multi-millionaire?

ken: yeah, and Hillary supporters will have the last laugh because of “polls”, like the New Hampshire primary “polls” ! ha ha ha ha ha

Hillary has more experience and more years at washington. However, all we see is an inefficient candidate who is constantly broke, has not even paid her bills to small busines owners who helped her in Ohio. Clintons are rich, they have lots of money. Yt they squeez out the poor Americans. SHAME ON YOU HILLARY, YOU TELL NEW LIES EVERYDAY. No one trusts you or your husband Bill when it comes to telling the truth!!!! CHEATERS!

@ Vena
Hillary is broke?
MARCH was her second best fund raising month!
Poor “Politico” crying that her campaign was broke and she should drop out…they helped her campaign raise even more money.
and lies? pleeeease Obama is as big a liar as Hillary!

I don’t care for the Clintons, but I don’t think family loans are our business. It might be of interest if they were paying the questionable sibs to disappear.
A lot in the comments about presidential pardons. In Lincoln’s hands, they were used in the causes of justice and mercy after the war. The question in the Clinton’s case is were they sold either for cash or for donations of large amounts to their library? Apparently Mrs. Clinton’s brothers were caught taking money to get pardons by Bill. That isn’t about justice gone wrong or mercy to a woman who lost all her other sons in a war. Selling pardons to truly bad people is evil. If that happened, we need to know about it.

Everyone attacking Obama has very little to attack him for. Gee, generalizing about caucuses in Western states, when in fact Montana is a primary state. Wow, that’s such a big issue!
How about Clinton lying about dodging sniper fire? Lying about being against NAFTA? Lying about bringing peace to the Middle East?
Attack, attack, attack. That’s all Clintonites for Hillary know to do.

Yes, Hillary and Bill’s loans to their family members are none of our business. However, the 10% to “charity” was entirely given to the Clintons’ foundation. Not their church, not the United Way; to their eponymous foundation. They still have control over how that money is spent, quite a different thing than when I give money to charity.
That is, given that the money is spent. Which half of it hasn’t been, it’s just been written off on their taxes and is now sitting in a “charitable” slush-fund bank account.
Not to mention that they filed a six-month extension to avoid exposing their most recent tax filings.
Look folks, these are politicians we’re talking about. They should ALL, Obama included, be *presumed* crooked. It’s just that the Clintons aren’t even pretending they aren’t. They are totally and transparently power-mad; anyone who thinks otherwise is being willfully delusional.