By Saira Anees

Apr 16, 2008 5:44pm

Clinton on Working-Class Southerners, circa 1995: “Screw ‘em”

Some readers have noted the fact that The Huffington Post is going all to town about an anecdote I reported back in October — from Sally Bedell Smith’s book "For Love of Politics: Bill and Hillary Clinton: The White House Years" — that Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, during a 1995 retreat called the "Camp David Seminar on the Future of Democracy had some interesting comments about working-class white Southerners who had left the Democratic party:

"’Screw ‘em,’ she said, ‘you don’t owe them a thing, Bill, they’re doing nothing for you.’ Bill rose to their defense, ‘as if rehearsing an old but honorable debate he had been having with his wife for decades,’" as one attendee recalled.

"’I know these boys,’ Bill said. ‘I grew up with them. Hardworking poor white boys who feel left out.’ He pointed out that liberal reforms had often ‘come at their expense’ and that the Democrats had to ‘find a way to include these boys in our programs.’ Hillary had no rejoinder, but during cocktails after the seminar she stood apart, ‘opaque and unsmiling.’"

The comment obviously takes on added meaning in light of the controversy over recent remarks by Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, about small-town Pennsylvanians and Sen. Hillary Rodham Mellencamp’s new posturing on the subject.

- jpt

User Comments

The best part of this anecdote is picturing Hillary standing apart “opaque and unsmiling” in a corner or something.

Posted by: Simone | April 16, 2008, 5:51 pm 5:51 pm

It does make me feel better about Bill… but Hillary I cannot believe she really said this!

Posted by: FrankWit | April 16, 2008, 5:58 pm 5:58 pm

They can dig up more of Clintons because they’ve been in the politic longer than Obama.
The problems Media always show the bad thing about them.
ABC where are those good ones?
I’m sure you have.
You just don’t want to show it to us.
You like to destroy Democrat party.

Posted by: crisis08 | April 16, 2008, 6:01 pm 6:01 pm

I can’t believe she sad that. I want to cry. I am so hurt. How could she lie like this… it is awful. I am so hurt. I have been defending her everywhere. Fighting for her. And she just lies and lies and lies…. I can’t take it. I can’t defend her anymore.

Posted by: PA woman for Hillary | April 16, 2008, 6:02 pm 6:02 pm

The Chickens are coming home to roost.
Obama all the way.

Posted by: Lookup | April 16, 2008, 6:03 pm 6:03 pm

Unbelievable! I saw it on the Huffington Post but I thought it was a lie! I can’t believe this.

Posted by: lucy | April 16, 2008, 6:05 pm 6:05 pm

This is kind of silly. We’re going by what someone claims Hillary said in 1995?
What Barack said was to the people and there is proof of what he said.
Is this ABC trying to come to Obama’s defense?

Posted by: Andrew | April 16, 2008, 6:05 pm 6:05 pm

crisis08 has issues with reality.
if hillary can go to town and take obama’s comments out of context and call him elitist, then we’re going to give her hell.

Posted by: jtl2102 | April 16, 2008, 6:05 pm 6:05 pm

I am not amazed that Hillary Clinton said this, I am however amazed that the mainstream media is reporting it. I guess their love affair with the Clinton’s is over.

Posted by: smearjay | April 16, 2008, 6:07 pm 6:07 pm

Hahaha, hypocricy 101. Welcome to the world of the Clintons. What’s that saying again? Do not throw stones if you live in a glass house. The question is: Will Obama pounce on this? My instinct tell me he won’t. That’s not his style. I support Obama, but the dude is a weakling.

Posted by: Kevin | April 16, 2008, 6:08 pm 6:08 pm

Dear Hillary Only & PA Woman for Hillary…
You are obviously Obama supporters. This isn’t fact, it is gossip. Any real Hillary supporter knows that they (the media) will do and say anything to sell a story. Obama’s ‘mispeak’is recorded, this is not because it never happened.

Posted by: Andrea | April 16, 2008, 6:10 pm 6:10 pm

Kevin: You don’t require much evidence do you?

Posted by: russell | April 16, 2008, 6:10 pm 6:10 pm

“Screw ‘em!” sez Hillary. Well, if that will get her elected….

Posted by: tom | April 16, 2008, 6:10 pm 6:10 pm

Now that the media is digging up old skeletons in the Clinton’s past. When are they going to exhume Vince Foster’s body and figure out what happened to him?

Posted by: smearjay | April 16, 2008, 6:10 pm 6:10 pm

For the people that think Obama has gabbage, you haven’t seen anything yet. The reason Obama is getting hit is because this race is over already. If Clinton was at the top, you would have seen so much dirt, you’d be puking your guts out already.

Posted by: Kevin | April 16, 2008, 6:11 pm 6:11 pm

Good for you. Your friend Ben Smith at Politico is too much of a Hillary hack to post this. Claims it’s not relevant. Glad to see there are at least some journalists with integrity still out there.

Posted by: jon | April 16, 2008, 6:11 pm 6:11 pm

You have no idea who specifically Hillary was talking about, there’s no context here. She could have been talking about the Blue Dog Democrats that were bottlenecking a lot of the initiatives that Bill Clinton was pushed.
This is a trashy piece, not comparable to the item caught on tape, with Obama, and plenty of context, and yet HE STILL DENIED IT! What a goofball.
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Obama, bringing bitterness to America one voter at a time!
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | April 16, 2008, 6:12 pm 6:12 pm

Kevin: What do you mean? Can’t follow your point!

Posted by: russell | April 16, 2008, 6:13 pm 6:13 pm

russell
Why should i ask for evidence? Do you folks ask for evidence when you try to destroy Obama? If Clinton thinks she never said it, then she and Bill should come out and say they never said it. Pure and simple. But knowing the Clintons, they will need Jesus Christ himself to come down from heaven and vouch for them for people to believe a word that comes out of their mouths denying anything.

Posted by: Kevin | April 16, 2008, 6:13 pm 6:13 pm

Boy, it took Huffington some time to dig this up. LOL. I guess they feel guilty for hitting the messiah. Ha.

Posted by: A reader in Georgia | April 16, 2008, 6:15 pm 6:15 pm

Funny that all these Clintonistas had no problems with bringing up Reverend Wright’s sermons from 7 years ago. Or Obama’s father’s essay from 30 years ago. Or Obama’s “bitter-gate” comments.
But Hillary saying “screw you” to white working class Reagan Democrats isn’t news?
Look yourselves in a mirror. Politics is a dirty game, and it goes both ways.
Don’t throw stones in a glass house.

Posted by: Jon | April 16, 2008, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm

Talk about chickens comming home to roost.
Obama08

Posted by: Thinking | April 16, 2008, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm

The chickens indeed will come home to roost. Obama has made 2 major blunders and is still standing strong as the new teflon don. What’s the over/under on a Clinton blunder between now and NC/IN?

Posted by: Kevin | April 16, 2008, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm

Wait till this hits the airwaves…
We thought her unfavorable ratings were down now
When the reportings start… thank God now
She will lose PA

Posted by: Vanessa | April 16, 2008, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm

Obama and Bill’s comments are very similiar, atleast they are trying to figure out how they can help us, and what is causing our struggle. Hillary just KICKS US TO THE CURB!!! SHE IS ALL ABOUT HER nobody else matters unless you do something FOR HER!!!

Posted by: steve | April 16, 2008, 6:18 pm 6:18 pm

Kevin: What journalist with any credibility ever ask her to confirm or reject an undocumented rumor? You Obama supporters can’t stand the fact that your man got caught dishing working class people now in some bizarre attempt to say like a shool yard kid Ha Ha you said it first is unbeliveable and childish! If you can prove it then lets hear it if not let’s move on!

Posted by: russell | April 16, 2008, 6:19 pm 6:19 pm

sillyme:
i think we have all learned that there is ALWAYS either pictures or audio.
lets say… Bosnia “sniper fire” as an example?

Posted by: drzoon | April 16, 2008, 6:19 pm 6:19 pm

russell
It’s been documented. It was contained in a book written by a very reputable journalist. At the very minimum, it’s a he said, she said affair. Who do you thnik Americans will believe after Bosniagate? Besides this was written in 1995. 1995 was all about Bill. Why would this journalist choose to tarnish Hillary’s image, and make Bill look like a saint? It makes no sense. think about it.

Posted by: Kevin | April 16, 2008, 6:21 pm 6:21 pm

What Did Hillary Say?
Alan Wolfe, a professor of political science and director of the Boisi Center for Religion and American Public Life at Boston College, is a contributing editor at The New Republic.
Both Chris Orr and Michael Crowley have brought up Ben Barber’s recollection of how angry Hillary had been at a 1995 Camp David retreat that was attended by a number of intellectuals. “Screw ‘em” was the term of art she directed–shall I say bitterly?–against white working-class Southerners. Harry Boyte, who was there, has also chimed in, pointing out, along with Barber, that Bill, by contrast, talked about the need to reach out to them.
“So, you’ve got two guys we’ve barely heard of remembering a verbatim quote from 13 years ago?… Sounds totally and completely reliable,” responded Jay Carson from the Clinton campaign. Make that three. I was there. I hope people have heard of me. And Barber and Boyte have it right.
A lot of people compare Barack Obama to Bobby Kennedy. To me, he most resembles Bill Clinton, at least the Bill Clinton I knew then.
–Alan Wolfe

Posted by: Jon | April 16, 2008, 6:22 pm 6:22 pm

Hope they bring it up during the debate tonight, but they won’t.

Posted by: Alison | April 16, 2008, 6:23 pm 6:23 pm

vannessa: Avoiding reality will only delay and increase your disappointment next Tuesday! There will be questions tonight about obamas claim that he has not taken lobbyist money! Just read todays edition of U.S.A. Today and you will see how he has lied!

Posted by: russell | April 16, 2008, 6:24 pm 6:24 pm

Hillary supporters take note. This is important because it is proof that Hillary did understand what Obama meant. She is being a hypocrite on an issue which has hurt the Democrats for political gain. Spin it as you like but the facts are there.

Posted by: Dann | April 16, 2008, 6:24 pm 6:24 pm

jon:
i agree. i voted for bill based on his message of hope. i think we all forget that is what he ran on in 92.
and… that is why i will vote for Barack as well.
and… to be honest? its why i voted for reagan too.
i like it that hope is a meaningful commodity in politics.

Posted by: drzoon | April 16, 2008, 6:26 pm 6:26 pm

Kevin: Just like Rezko and Obama?

Posted by: russell | April 16, 2008, 6:26 pm 6:26 pm

To think I once supported her. Now I am really torn.

Posted by: Undecided | April 16, 2008, 6:27 pm 6:27 pm

media wants obama, because he will $crew up the most and they will get more stories from him, just like they got a lot of mileage out of bush

Posted by: granny | April 16, 2008, 6:29 pm 6:29 pm

russell
I don’t get your point kid.

Posted by: Kevin | April 16, 2008, 6:29 pm 6:29 pm

Hill just LOST tonights debate, surrender Hillary!!!!!

Posted by: philosopherkingtomas | April 16, 2008, 6:30 pm 6:30 pm

You have to be kidding me. The comments of Reverend Wright are dredged up for weeks, and supposedly that condemns Obama by association. But Hillary giving the kiss off (even she did not literally say “screw ‘em,”) to the same white rural voters in 1995 she now lauds is NOT relevant?
Obama’s recorded comments weren’t even bad. He was merely describing the frustration of voters who have been endlessly screwed over by politicians. His only mistake was talking to voters like they were adults instead of children that needed to be coddled. Well, all those that griped about Obama’s “insulting” comments proved him wrong: voters are children to be coddled! And don’t you forget it!

Posted by: Scott Mercer | April 16, 2008, 6:30 pm 6:30 pm

Barack Obama rolled out three more superdelegate endorsements Wednesday, all of them coming from North Carolina and Indiana, which hold their Democratic primaries May 6.
North Carolina Representatives Mel Watt of Charlotte and David Price of Chapel Hill announced their support for Mr. Obama on a conference call with reporters.
“Only one candidate has marshaled this spirit of change into a movement that is completely inclusive, uniquely democratic and uniquely American,” said Mr. Watt, according to The Charlotte Observer. “That candidate is Barack Obama.”
Mr. Price dismissed the idea that Mr. Obama’s “bitter” comment would harm his candidacy. “Senator Obama was simply stating the obvious,” Price said, according to The Chicago Tribune.
Senator Obama is the Democrats’ best shot at carrying North Carolina in the general election, Mr. Price added. Mr. Obama is closing the gap on Hillary Rodham Clinton’s lead in superdelegates.
All the Democratic members of North Carolina’s congressional delegation previously supported fellow North Carolinian John Edwards for president. Reps. Price and Watt join Rep. G.K. Butterfield in supporting Mr. Obama.
“It comes as no surprise that two of the most liberal members of the North Carolina House delegation would embrace one of their own,” Linda Daves, chairwoman of the North Carolina Republican Party, said in a statement. “Of course a defender of earmarks would endorse a candidate who secured 53 pork projects last year costing the taxpayers $97.4 million.”
Mrs. Clinton has one Tar Heel superdelegate behind her, Susan Burgess of the Charlotte City Council.
In Indiana, Mr. Obama can count on the support of Representative Andre Carson of Indianapolis. The 33-year-old won a special election last month to fill the House seat after Representative Julia Carson — his grandmother — died.
Mr. Carson said in a news release that Mr. Obama “is part of a new generation of leadership that will bring needed change for our country.”

Posted by: Thinking | April 16, 2008, 6:31 pm 6:31 pm

russell
I’m not angry. I just think it was very hypocritical for Hillary to drag Obama through mud over comments that any Democrat would agree were misguided, but certainly not elitist. She is trying to kneecap the person that would MOST LIKELY be the nominee. I cannot support such a strategy. No way.

Posted by: Kevin | April 16, 2008, 6:31 pm 6:31 pm

BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA IS UNELECTABLE IN NOVEMBER.
TIES WITH THE ANTI-AMERICAN PASTOR WRIGHT AND MUSLIM LEADER FARRAKAN WILL END HIS CHANGES IN NOVEMBER.
THE REPUBLICANS CANNOT WAIT FOR THE TV
24/7 COMMERCIALS WITH A PICTURE OBAMA/PASTOR WRIGHT SAYING G….M AMERICA. 24/7……
DO YOU REMEMBER JOHN KERRY AND THE SWIFT BOATERS IN 2004????????
THIS TIME WILL BE WORST.

Posted by: NIcholas | April 16, 2008, 6:31 pm 6:31 pm

Hillary has taken the most amount of money from lobbyist
beating John McCain who makes no effort in denying his approval of lobbyist
HAHA
I’m loving this NEWS
Hillary has just nailed the final piece of the coffin
lol

Posted by: Vanessa | April 16, 2008, 6:32 pm 6:32 pm

this took place at a camp david weekend retreat where there were lots of folks around to try to figure out how to deal with the mid-term loss of dems in congress?
well then. i really think the media should look into this. i think they should find everyone that was there and do interviews with them and have them on all the talk shows…. and really tell us what was said and by whom.
if they really do their job… (of instant journalism).. then the whole thing should take us well past indiana.
there were plenty of folks there who heard what was said or not said. i think we should get them … all of them…. all over every single tv and radio show in the country.
don’t you?

Posted by: drzoon | April 16, 2008, 6:33 pm 6:33 pm

I can’t wait until Hillary concedes this nomination. Finally, then Obama will be on his own and he will be brought down by the same forces that made him the Messiah. (And remember what happened to him). And when he loses in November he will have no one to blame but himself and his adoring followers will finally understand that this guy was handpicked, given tons of money because he cannot possibly win. He’ll go back to the Senate and renew his connections with crazy Wright and criminal Rezko.And McCain will complete the fall of the American empire.

Posted by: MC EVANS | April 16, 2008, 6:33 pm 6:33 pm

Look the MSM will run with this and our boy Obama will say nothing. You know why he will say nothing, because he has class and does not need to go negative on Hillary. Hillary can run her negatives to below zero, but she will not take Obama with down with her as much as she tries. Hillary wants to go down in flames and she wants to take Obama down at the same time since she knows she will not be getting the nomination so she wants to make sure he does not get the Presidency. One thing she does not have the brains to see is that the American people are on to her scheme and we will not take it anymore.

Posted by: Karen | April 16, 2008, 6:33 pm 6:33 pm

This is too much. I can’t believe this isn’t be reporting anywhere.
I NEED TO KNOW THIS ABC NEWS, DAMN YOU. I CASTED MY VOTE FOR THIS WOMAN!
I am a Hillary supporter and THIS makes me angry NOT what Obama said. This is elitist. This is cruel.

Posted by: too much | April 16, 2008, 6:34 pm 6:34 pm

Gotta love Karma: always a lady!
Thanks for the post.

Posted by: Rhoda | April 16, 2008, 6:35 pm 6:35 pm

“THE REPUBLICANS CANNOT WAIT FOR THE TV
24/7 COMMERCIALS WITH A PICTURE OBAMA/PASTOR WRIGHT SAYING G….M AMERICA.”
LOL! That would hardly be news, would it? Everyone in America saw them before.
” Screm’ em” in comparison sounds very fresh, even if it’s from 1995.
Btw; please turn off the capitals.

Posted by: harald | April 16, 2008, 6:35 pm 6:35 pm

when is the mainstream media going to report this in a loop like they did with rev wright? I cannot wait, Hillary.

Posted by: goodchild | April 16, 2008, 6:37 pm 6:37 pm

Obama’s “Bitter” comments can be interpreted in many ways
BUT
“Screw’ em’” ???
How will she flip this one

Posted by: Vanessa | April 16, 2008, 6:37 pm 6:37 pm

How does someone get to be “opaque”? Does this happen only after you become very thin?

Posted by: Steph | April 16, 2008, 6:37 pm 6:37 pm

Yeah ABC wants to destroy the Democratic party, that is why they are busy talking so nicely about the Republicans, right. Maybe both parties suck and are getting what they deserve, I think they are all terrible choices.

Posted by: david | April 16, 2008, 6:38 pm 6:38 pm

Breaking News: Obama reports $4.2 Million in income last year. WooHoo. It’s Barack’s turn to get paid.
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Send in your bitter little checks to the Obamas — they just barely have enough to pay off their student loans
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | April 16, 2008, 6:39 pm 6:39 pm

The Rep want hilly for they can win with her on the ballot.Inside gossip…..

Posted by: h | April 16, 2008, 6:40 pm 6:40 pm

Surrender Hillary !

Posted by: philosopherkingtomas | April 16, 2008, 6:40 pm 6:40 pm

racheal:
you don’t remember the “kindergarten papers”
i forget… who dug those up?

Posted by: drzoon | April 16, 2008, 6:43 pm 6:43 pm

Howard Dean (DNC chair) made Benjamin Barber his foreign policy advisor in his failed 2004 campaign.

Posted by: Check it out | April 16, 2008, 6:43 pm 6:43 pm

Ha Ha. Everyone knows Hillary is a “let them eat cake” elitist with a dirty mouth. Just ask her secret service detail whom she had abused for 20 years with her filthy mouth. Bill has also born the brunt.
I can give you $109 million reasons Hillary doesn’t give a damn about the working class.

Posted by: Richard Mack | April 16, 2008, 6:45 pm 6:45 pm

Although I would rather Obama
If McCain win the House…
I wouldn’t fuss
Just not Hillary
Every time I see that women I think of disgrace and wanting to throw up in my mouth
I can’t wait till this news hit the media… possibly by friday into monday and tuesday

Posted by: Vanessa | April 16, 2008, 6:45 pm 6:45 pm

al, I am voting McCain if not Hillary. That is a fact, don’t believe the talking heads on tv that tell you, everyone will fall in line, cause i won’t

Posted by: justme the original | April 16, 2008, 6:45 pm 6:45 pm

“Obama reports $4.2 Million in income last year.”
He earned 4 Million from his two books sales. That’s what happens, I guess, when you get rock star fame by being Americas first very succesful black Presidential candidate.

Posted by: harald | April 16, 2008, 6:45 pm 6:45 pm

Al – that’s great. And we won’t vote for Hillary.
Stop acting all high and mighty. This wouldn’t be an issue if it were not the constant attack on Obama on this issue by Bill and Hillary for the past week. And that’s a fact.
They overplayed their hand. By a lot. And now they’re going to pay.

Posted by: Jon | April 16, 2008, 6:45 pm 6:45 pm

Among the charitable donations in 2007 was $26,270 to Trinity United Church of Christ, where the incendiary sermons of Obama’s former pastor have created problems for the candidate. The Obamas’ largest charitable donation was $50,000 to the United Negro College Fund.
… we put our money where our heart is … and it is definitely one sided for NObama

Posted by: Jackson | April 16, 2008, 6:46 pm 6:46 pm

4.2 million in income?
But they’re not elitists, right?

Posted by: Helen | April 16, 2008, 6:46 pm 6:46 pm

If all perception, this quote could easily close all doors for her, certainly when it comes to our famous friends, the Super Duper Delegates.

Posted by: ken | April 16, 2008, 6:48 pm 6:48 pm

The way Obama and the media and others have been viciously attacking Hillary means I won’t believe this is what she said until I hear audio or see a video of her saying it.
Nice try though…

Posted by: Belle | April 16, 2008, 6:48 pm 6:48 pm

West Coast Mess:
I think Bubba’s retort made it clear who she was talking about!
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Barack said they’re bitter;
Hillary said “screw ‘em” and drank a shot and a beer
Hillary’s Toast
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Obama 2008 — Yes, WE CAN!!!

Posted by: Jackt51 -- Vietnam Vet and Proud Liberal | April 16, 2008, 6:49 pm 6:49 pm

Because she was running for office in 1995???
Unlike Barack who was denigrating the very people he needs to win the nomination.
Nice try folks. You didn’t need this comment to come to the conclusion that she is an elitist…you all managed to come to that conclusion after deflecting and spinning the truth away from Obama.

Posted by: LOM | April 16, 2008, 6:49 pm 6:49 pm

Anyone ever hear of USA TODAY. There is an article by Ken Dilanian where he gives the names of 38 of the biggest law firms, their backing of Obama, large amounts of money given and raised and their close associations with those lobbiest that Obama boasts of not taking money. No one could ever accuse USA TODAY of being a conservative publication. MSNBC (the Obama network) also printed an article from the Washington Post on how he got the $240, million dollars. He has a real creditably problem. I wish someone worthy was running in both parties.

Posted by: Russ | April 16, 2008, 6:49 pm 6:49 pm

Jackson – you mean as opposed to the Clintons? Who gave nearly 100% of their charitable donations to their own chairty?
And where, might you ask, did that money go? To charities in upcoming primary states and swing states in hopes to try to sway voters and superdelegates her way.
That fine with you though, right? As long as the Clintons do it?

Posted by: Jon | April 16, 2008, 6:49 pm 6:49 pm

$4.2 million: $4 million from books
$200,000+ from Senate
Clintons:
$109 million: Speeches in Columbia
Business in Dubai
Screw em lol

Posted by: Vanessa | April 16, 2008, 6:50 pm 6:50 pm

Obama earns 4.2 million with all this new found money no wonder he became an elitist who dislikes working class people!

Posted by: russell | April 16, 2008, 6:51 pm 6:51 pm

IF BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA GETS THE NOMINATION,IT WILL BE THE END OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AS WE KNOW IT…..
THE DEMOCRATIC LEADERS LOST IT AGAIN..
OBAMA IS UNELECTABLE IN NOVEMBER….
DEMOCRATS NEVER LEARN.THEY DESERVE TO
LOSE IN NOVEMBER.
SAME MISTAKES OVER AND OVER AGAIN…..

Posted by: NIcholas | April 16, 2008, 6:51 pm 6:51 pm

These are not the words of a person that is mentally well. Wow! Now I’m scared if she loses. Please, people, remember to take all sharp objects and guns away from her… or not ;)

Posted by: mabs | April 16, 2008, 6:52 pm 6:52 pm

Keep telling yourself that Nicholas.

Posted by: jon | April 16, 2008, 6:52 pm 6:52 pm

Vanessa — $109M from 2000 – 2007 vs. $4.2M in 2007.
I know where you wanted to go so at least try to get the facts straight.
Apples to oranges, chica, apples to oranges.

Posted by: LOM | April 16, 2008, 6:53 pm 6:53 pm

Nicolas:
Obama is less electable than a woman who LIED about dodging incoming sniper rounds? Had this been Obama or any other man, not only would they be rendered unelectable, they’d have to resign from the senate and go into hiding.

Posted by: Richard Mack | April 16, 2008, 6:54 pm 6:54 pm

HAHAAHA…Hillary has to know that this is out there when she debates tonight…hahahaha…she will be quaking in her boots.
Screw her!
Obama 08!!!

Posted by: HA | April 16, 2008, 6:56 pm 6:56 pm

Here’s what Ben Smith (Politico) adds to the story (it confirms the quote btw):
“the religion scholar Alan Wolfe just wrote up his own account of the meeting, which me remembers the same way:
“Screw ‘em” was the term of art she directed–shall I say bitterly?–against white working-class Southerners. Harry Boyte, who was there, has also chimed in, pointing out, along with Barber, that Bill, by contrast, talked about the need to reach out to them.
[snip]
A lot of people compare Barack Obama to Bobby Kennedy. To me, he most resembles Bill Clinton, at least the Bill Clinton I knew then.”
Ben has a link up to Alan Wolfe’s full account.

Posted by: ken | April 16, 2008, 6:57 pm 6:57 pm

For those those saying Obama is unelectable come november, don’t worry,
when he gets to that bridge, he will pass over it! Mark my word. May God bless America.

Posted by: chyke | April 16, 2008, 6:57 pm 6:57 pm

Obama is so out of touch he thinks that you duck hunt with a six shooter! Someone needs to take him hunting for something besides votes! Obama always in touch with the working man!

Posted by: russell | April 16, 2008, 6:57 pm 6:57 pm

I’m not sure these comments come from Hillary’s supporters. I think they are just pretending to be hers.

Posted by: crisis08 | April 16, 2008, 6:58 pm 6:58 pm

McCain = Bob Dole…Obama and his 1.3 million supporters will overwhelm him and his tired politics.
Fired up, ready to go!!

Posted by: HA | April 16, 2008, 6:58 pm 6:58 pm

I find it interesting that on most counts, folks attribute all things bad to the Clintons (plural).
Here we find that Hillary made a statement and was sternly corrected by her husband Bill and yet, there is still an intense focus on the Hillary part. The “good” part of the story is omitted in people’s assessment.
Can anyone pause for the possibility that she perhaps learned a very valuable lesson and has a differing outlook? Or is redemption only reserved for Obama?
Quite frankly, that story was published years ago and you only now care? She said it in 1995 when she wasn’t running for any public office, let alone POTUS. If you truly think that this going to put her away, ask yourself if that same logic applies to Obama who made his statement to some fat cats when he thought no media was listening while running for POTUS. BIG difference.
Keep spinning and deflecting though.

Posted by: LOM | April 16, 2008, 6:59 pm 6:59 pm

Al-
You and the Clintons just don’t get it. We have EXPANDED the Democratic base to an incredible amount. 90% of voters 18-34 will show up for Obama. 90% of African Americans will show up for Obama. They won’t for Hillary.
SImply put: we don’t need you.
This is the NEW Democratic majority. Get on fast, cause the train’s leaving the station.

Posted by: Jon | April 16, 2008, 6:59 pm 6:59 pm

Sen. McCain will win in November.

Posted by: Allison | April 16, 2008, 7:00 pm 7:00 pm

On Colbert show last night Michelle said that Barack was someone special! How elitist can you get? Obama sooo Special better than the rest of us! Obama out of touch Liberal Elitist!

Posted by: russell | April 16, 2008, 7:03 pm 7:03 pm

Jon:
that is SO true. things are changing… and changing fast.
i like where the party is going now. i have hated being in the party since the 80′s.
but now we seem to be back to a party for the middle class.. but not by sticking our heads in the sand.
and… i like it that we aren’t an anti-war party. we are a anti STUPID war party

Posted by: drzoon | April 16, 2008, 7:03 pm 7:03 pm

Obama is too classy and he won’t attack her on this…I hate her politics…

Posted by: joe | April 16, 2008, 7:03 pm 7:03 pm

If you still think that John McCain stands a chance against Obama, you have severely, severely underestimated the power of this movement
Oh wait, we already knew that. That’s why Hillary lost this movement. She underestimated us.
But, according to Bill Clinton, we’re just dumb young voters who don’t get it. Thanks for the vote of confidence Bill. Really gonna help you gain my vote.

Posted by: Dan | April 16, 2008, 7:04 pm 7:04 pm

It seems as though the Obama and the Media has manipulated all you kneiving little minds to think that he is the solution to this government. Hillary has the experience to deal with what’s going on on this world today. Has everyone forgot the mess Reagan left us in with the deficit and yet when Clinton was done, we were in a surplus. I’m surprised that these Republican presidents can balance their checkbooks. Oh! I forgot we have a bounced check for how many trillion? It’s unfortunate that these Obama believers are being mislead.

Posted by: tori | April 16, 2008, 7:04 pm 7:04 pm

It seems as though the Obama and the Media has manipulated all you kneiving little minds to think that he is the solution to this government. Hillary has the experience to deal with what’s going on on this world today. Has everyone forgot the mess Reagan left us in with the deficit and yet when Clinton was done, we were in a surplus. I’m surprised that these Republican presidents can balance their checkbooks. Oh! I forgot we have a bounced check for how many trillion? It’s unfortunate that these Obama believers are being mislead.

Posted by: tori | April 16, 2008, 7:04 pm 7:04 pm

Stick a screw driver in her, because she is SCREWD!!!!!!!!!!!!
That’s how you really feel about white working class people. This just goes to show that Hillary will say ANYTHING to win the nomination. Obama told the truth about how people are feeling. I’m not in rural American, and I’m bitter and frustrated with the government.
But, clearly Hillary Clinton can’t stand white rural America. In her words, “Screw Em!”

Posted by: LaShanda | April 16, 2008, 7:04 pm 7:04 pm

From a Typical White Grandmother to Lunch pail Folks I bet alot of them Have Had Enough and won’t Vote at all.
The Party and the Canadates have screwed themselves. If they do vote There will be alot of Write Ins.

Posted by: Carol | April 16, 2008, 7:06 pm 7:06 pm

From a Typical White Grandmother to Lunch pail Folks I bet alot of them Have Had Enough and won’t Vote at all.
The Party and the Canadates have screwed themselves. If they do vote There will be alot of Write Ins.

Posted by: Carol | April 16, 2008, 7:06 pm 7:06 pm

Joe, I agree that Obama won’t attack her on this. But not because he’s too classy. He’s got Keith O. and the rest of the cult to do it for him.

Posted by: cappamore | April 16, 2008, 7:06 pm 7:06 pm

No Hillary, screw you! This Southern “Working Class” Democrat is going to vote for someone else this election.

Posted by: Bill | April 16, 2008, 7:06 pm 7:06 pm

Why did she say this?
I voted for her.
I am a southern white.
And to attack Obama like that for speaking the truth about how people feel…
I cannot believe this. She cannot be trusted. I feel sick.

Posted by: no no no | April 16, 2008, 7:07 pm 7:07 pm

LOM,
Thanks a lot. Good points.

Posted by: crisis08 | April 16, 2008, 7:07 pm 7:07 pm

Although she would like to, Hillary cannot deny Screw ‘em-gate. How is she going to win a truthful and credibilty battle with the other people in that room?

Posted by: Richard Mack | April 16, 2008, 7:07 pm 7:07 pm

The DEM’s have no choice 65% of the country think that Hillary is a liar,
this SCREW EM remark is just gonna coz
those Reagan democrats to do what she suggested to be done to them SCREW HER
lol, You can’t make these things up

Posted by: Andrew Kenneth | April 16, 2008, 7:07 pm 7:07 pm

cappamore:
dont you think that news shows.. and radio shows should jump into this? and talk to whoever was there? and get bill and hilary to tell us what she said and didn’t say?
i think every single news organization should really dig into who was at this retreat to deal with the mid-term dem loss in congress, and get them on tv. and ask everyone “what was said”? did hilary say “screw “em”?
it we could just take a few weeks and really find out what happened… i think america would forever be greatful for that effort.
do you think so?

Posted by: drzoon | April 16, 2008, 7:07 pm 7:07 pm

I hope tonight ABC we’ll ask Hillary to explain her comments. It would be only fair after all her outrage for Obama’s words…

Posted by: Toni | April 16, 2008, 7:08 pm 7:08 pm

The media didn’t spill the truth about Obama until most of the primaries were done with. Many people felt lied to and I know many (now former) Bama supporters that are really upset they have been bamboozled. All of them have said if they knew then what they know now, they would never have voted for him. I IMAGINE MANY OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE ALREADY VOTED WOULD LIKE ANOTHER CHANCE!
When Senator Obama (or surrogates like Pastor Wright) say something stupid — “it was taken out of context”, according to the biased media.
When a Clinton or McCain (or a supporter) says something stupid — “they are selfish, evil or a multitude of other insults”, according to the biased media.
Many Obama supporters seem to be such enablers, excusing everything as his being “truthful.” HIS ENTIRE CAMPAIGN HAS BEEN BASED ON LIES, EXCUSES AND DAMAGE CONTROL!
Somehow, I don’t see him truly relating to rural Pennsylvanians OR North Carolinians, considering his 20-year relationship with radical Jeremiah Wright, and his ties to anti-Americans Rezko, Ayers, Farrakhan and other shady characters.
SAY NO TO OBAMA!

Posted by: MYCOUNTRY | April 16, 2008, 7:09 pm 7:09 pm

Just 2 years in seneate and he made $4.1M last year. He is very poor.
You right.

Posted by: Rick | April 16, 2008, 7:09 pm 7:09 pm

“comments about working-class white Southerners who had LEFT the Democratic party”, note LEFT as in gone to another party, republican maybe? I agree, screw em!!!!!!!!!!!!
They’re part of the reason we ended up with Bush.

Posted by: JR | April 16, 2008, 7:09 pm 7:09 pm

Chyke,
you wrote ” May God bless America”.
I have not heard your guy Obama say that yet. But his body did say “god damn America”. Oh I forgot, his other body Resko said indeed God Bless America, cause America and Obama made him a millionaire.
If, god forbid, Obama becomes a president I will really feel sorry for America. Let me assure you Obama is not JFK.
The Patriot

Posted by: Tony | April 16, 2008, 7:10 pm 7:10 pm

Cappamore,
Thanks for the information.

Posted by: crisis08 | April 16, 2008, 7:12 pm 7:12 pm

I’m starting to lean towards Obama. I myself and many others view these ads in PA and we feel Clinton is over playing the “bitter” comment. This particular comment only adds to her negatives.

Posted by: PA decided voter | April 16, 2008, 7:12 pm 7:12 pm

Obama will not attack Hillary but his backers including darling media will do that.

Posted by: crisis08 | April 16, 2008, 7:15 pm 7:15 pm

JR: “”comments about working-class white Southerners who had LEFT the Democratic party”, note LEFT as in gone to another party, republican maybe? I agree, screw em!”
And WHY did they leave do you think? Now THAT is exactly where Obama was talking about in San Francisco. They left because Hillary Democrats do NOT truly care about them, ONLY when they are campaigning. THAT is what makes Obama angry, and where you see the major difference between Obama Democrats and Hillary Srew’ Em Democrats.

Posted by: marian | April 16, 2008, 7:16 pm 7:16 pm

dear clinton supporters:
don’t you think all the tv shows.. and radio show.. and newspapers should find out who was there at that retreat to deal with the mid-term dem loss in congress?
there has to be a list somewhere!
shouldn’t everyone get them on the record? dig real deep and find out what Hilary did or didn’t say?
don’t you think CNN and MSNBC and FOX should have all those folks on their shows and ask them all the questions that need or should be asked about this?
and… maybe even get bill and hilary to tell us the “truth” too?
i think so. its only fair! and “good journalism”. we need a lot more of that…. ! don’t you think?

Posted by: drzoon | April 16, 2008, 7:17 pm 7:17 pm

There have been an awful lot of tabloid type books written about the Clinton’s …some of these books are directly contradictory. Are those supposed quotes sourced…Because I’m wondering who could have been in the room with Bill and Hillary for a private conversation like this.
The press is not going to let up on the smear campaign of Clinton…and it seems like Obama knows right before the tripe is printed.
Does any body care how many times Obama has lied about Wright and Rezco? Because there is a clear public record of his varying stories and they are totally at odds with each other. Obama and his wife apparently do not even remember the years 2004 and 2005. I find that more relevant than unsourced comments from 1995.

Posted by: Jackie | April 16, 2008, 7:17 pm 7:17 pm

THE NEWS MEDIA FOR THE Exeption of FOX-NEWS Channel are Givung Senator Barack H. OBAMA a Free RIDE!

Posted by: Goodie 2 Shoes | April 16, 2008, 7:19 pm 7:19 pm

The wait is finally over. After the debate, then the vote all you have to do is stick a fork in Hillary…she’s DONE. Personally, I can’t wait for the wicked witch of the east to have the Obama house drop right on her. Ding dong the witch is dead.

Posted by: Wait a minute | April 16, 2008, 7:22 pm 7:22 pm

How about the William Ayres Story & The Friend-ship Barack H.Obama has with this know Terrorist. William Ayres? Who is William Ayres & The Weather UNDER GROUND?

Posted by: Goodie 2 Shoes | April 16, 2008, 7:23 pm 7:23 pm

This is quite is revelation.
Did anyone inform John Edwards already?
And she… she better start learning how to bake ccokies and make some good tea.

Posted by: hoser | April 16, 2008, 7:24 pm 7:24 pm

Funny how “Democrats” (Hillary supporters) are praising Fox News as unbiased. You just gotta love the irony in all of this. Fox News? HAHAHAHA! Pathetic. Screw em!

Posted by: Yeahhh | April 16, 2008, 7:26 pm 7:26 pm

CLINTON SUPPORTERS!
don’t you think the media should ask Hilary and Bill what was said?
how come nobody thinks they should be asked?
they will tell us the truth… right?
and then… go find all those other folks that were there? and talk to them?
there were a lot of people there. i bet when the first lady says something… everyone was listening.. dont you think?
WHY DOESN’T ANYONE SAY THAT THIS IS A GOOD IDEA? TO GET TO THE “TRUTH”?

Posted by: drzoon | April 16, 2008, 7:26 pm 7:26 pm

ANY criticism of Hillary, especially when it is attributed to what she said, is reprehensible? All you Hillary supporters who think that handcuffing Obama while he takes it across the face must really believe that that is fair.
Come on! If we are going to look at comments ascribed to the candidates, let’s not get into a ridiculous effort to hammer Obama for what he says and at the same time give Hillary a pass. Let them both have their comments come out so that we the voters can evaluate how we feel about them, instead of being told how to feel about them.
When one person says many Americans feel “bitter” and the other candidate says “screw ‘em” about the very people she claims her opponent insulted…
When ALL the 3 candidates are part of the elite,…yet the two doing the “elitist” name-calling are EACH worth over 100 MILLION DOLLARS, and are worth close to 100 times – I’ll say it again – 100 times the net worth of the person accused of being elitist, then it is our task as voters to look at who is more convincing in relating to the people and who is not.
Clinton and surrogates just finished a couple months of dimissing Obama as inexperienced, and belittled his community service work. Yet at the same time, Clintons, who are corporate veterans, accuse as elitist the guy who passed on a corporate career in favor of a far less glamorous career route. Again, ignore my take on it. You, me, we are all smart voters capable of making up our own minds.
My point: Let us see all the dirt and make up our minds about what we are prepared to live with. But NO candidate gets to run with accusations unanswered, if such answers do indeed expose another perspective worth considering.

Posted by: Amused | April 16, 2008, 7:27 pm 7:27 pm

The Same stupid people who voted for George W Bush are voting For Barack H Obama or are going to Name one thing Barack Obama has Done in the United States Senate till this day other than Trying to act so Mocho Mouchacho asking a Genaral tough Questions how Come he is Not willing to count the Florida & Michigan Delegates are you afraid you will loose the Nomination >?

Posted by: Goodie 2 Shoes | April 16, 2008, 7:27 pm 7:27 pm

Interesting, but the Bible says “two or three witnesses.” Lots of things come from just one.

Posted by: djconklin | April 16, 2008, 7:31 pm 7:31 pm

Lets Get Real now Barack OBAMA has done nothing to earn my vote even if he is the Democratic Nominee I might just stay home or Vote for McCain! If Colen Powel were running I would have voted for him If Al-Sharpton where running I would have voted for Him But who is Barack Obama anyway do you know?

Posted by: Goodie 2 Shoes | April 16, 2008, 7:31 pm 7:31 pm

The Hillary followers are working overtime tonight! Stop with the posturing and get used to saying…President Barack Obama.

Posted by: Laugh | April 16, 2008, 7:32 pm 7:32 pm

I WANT THIS SEEN ALLLLLLLLLL OVER TV FOR THE NEXT WEEK!
IT WILL SERVE THAT lying piece of trash right

Posted by: Norman | April 16, 2008, 7:33 pm 7:33 pm

Russell: Sorry, any way you put it, you lose, nobody’s buying what you’r saying.

Posted by: Phil | April 16, 2008, 7:34 pm 7:34 pm

Ha! I said I was just wondering…:)

Posted by: Just wondering | April 16, 2008, 7:36 pm 7:36 pm

Do any of you remember conversations you had 22 years ago. Who is the source for the comments?…that particular book is filled with lots of really unbelievable dialogue…..and the comments attributed to Bill Clinton don’t sound credible either…Who talks like that?
Over 60 books were written about the Clinton’s some of them lik Carl Bernstein’s and this one were nothing short of attack journalism….Where people jumped out with books that had lots of unproven dirt to sell lots of books….there were similar books about many public figures…
Who is the source for these comments?

Posted by: Jackie | April 16, 2008, 7:36 pm 7:36 pm

John McCain = Bob Dole. We Obama supporters can raise more money for our candidate in one day than McCain can raise in 2 years.
Obama will crush him…prepare to see a huge bump in the polls when Hillary is knocked out…
Obama 08!!!

Posted by: HA | April 16, 2008, 7:36 pm 7:36 pm

Hillary supporters will not vote for Obama..that’s why he will never be President..If not Hillary Clinton then the only choice is McCain.

Posted by: Antonn | April 16, 2008, 7:38 pm 7:38 pm

This is nothing but hearsay. Say I, an Obama supporter.

Posted by: Niels | April 16, 2008, 7:39 pm 7:39 pm

it is over for me now. i believed hillary and I DON’T trust her now…. whatever….whatever…. whatever…
whatever …

Posted by: over | April 16, 2008, 7:39 pm 7:39 pm

I could sit here & Type in over 100 Accoumplishments she has done on her own! I even should say she at least Tryed to get health care for All as a First Lady yes it did Fail but at least She tryed! What did Barack H Obama Do in his 3 years in Office as a united States Senator?
Vote Smart Vote For Clinton “08″

Posted by: Goodie 2 Shoes | April 16, 2008, 7:39 pm 7:39 pm

Ha…I guess it is a touch subject for you…

Posted by: Just wondering | April 16, 2008, 7:39 pm 7:39 pm

Brian Roderick,
I couldn’t have said it better myself.
Not to mention that if is she is having all this trouble running her campaign, WHY, OH WHY would we want her to run our country?!

Posted by: HoSo | April 16, 2008, 7:40 pm 7:40 pm

I second that sentiment:
If Clinton and McCain can demand that Obama address or clarify the comments he made about “bitter” voters, isn’t it fair that Clinton should be asked to clarify her “screw ‘em” comments?
Yes, the media likes a good story and it breaks for Clinton at times, just as it breaks for Obama when he scores points. But if you think that “fairness” means the media equivalent of pinning Obama to the ground, surrounding him and beating him senseless on behalf of Hillary, well that’s not likely to happen. The more I read Clinton supporters’ comments, the more I realize that they are so blind with hatred, that there is no point in even trying to talk to them.
But like I always say: ALL voters are in charge here, not just zealous supporters on either side. So support your candidate to the end…but you dont get to hijack the will of the people, whoever the nominee may be.

Posted by: Amused | April 16, 2008, 7:40 pm 7:40 pm

Hillary supporters will not support McCain…that is all bluster…
McCain wants 100 years in Iraq and tax cuts for the wealthy…let alone the fact that he is really old and we need someone sharp and on their toes in these times…Hillary supporters that do end up supporting that man don’t deserve to be in the Obama coalition…
Obama 08!!

Posted by: HA | April 16, 2008, 7:42 pm 7:42 pm

Lady,
This morning I did not see it anymore.
When did you see it?

Posted by: crisis08 | April 16, 2008, 7:42 pm 7:42 pm

Hillary supporters will not support McCain…that is all bluster…
McCain wants 100 years in Iraq and tax cuts for the wealthy…let alone the fact that he is really old and we need someone sharp and on their toes in these times…Hillary supporters that do end up supporting that man don’t deserve to be in the Obama coalition…
Obama 08!!

Posted by: HA | April 16, 2008, 7:43 pm 7:43 pm

Senator Clinton did Go to Ireland & Make a Speach about peace & she was a part in the Negotiations!
Pennsylvania is Clinton Country !

Posted by: Goodie 2 Shoes | April 16, 2008, 7:43 pm 7:43 pm

What did Senator Barack Obama done as A United States Senator other then nothing?>
Can the Barack Obama Suppoters say what Senator Obama Has done as a United States Sentor?
Or What his Plans are for this Country?

Posted by: Goodie 2 Shoes | April 16, 2008, 7:46 pm 7:46 pm

Hillary supporters will not support McCain…that is ALL BLUSTER…
McCain wants 100 years in Iraq and tax cuts for the wealthy…let alone the fact that he is really old and we need someone sharp and on their toes in these times…Hillary supporters that do end up supporting that man don’t deserve to be in the Obama coalition…
Obama 08!!

Posted by: HA | April 16, 2008, 7:48 pm 7:48 pm

Jackie,
Who cares about the hispanic vote? Hispanics have no identity and just like Richardson…. ride on the curtails of who is winning at the time.
If I were Obama I would not give u an enchillada when i get into office.
….At least whites admit their bias and do things to overcome it. Hispanics have gotten a pass on racism. Anti-american you are as I rarely see a white or black in any mexican-owed buisnesses…….of course who wants to work for 5 dollars and hour to salsa music or a latin King breathing heavily or you .

Posted by: enaudnella | April 16, 2008, 7:48 pm 7:48 pm

Enough Hillary Clinton supporters will vote for Obama and he will never be our President. I am one of them and I will work to increase the support of Democarts for Clinton that will vote for McCain because he is the most capable candidate to lead this country a TRUE AMERICAN HERO.

Posted by: Antonn | April 16, 2008, 7:49 pm 7:49 pm

ANYTHING TO TRY AN KNOCK THE OBAMAONE COMMENTS OFF THE FRONT PAGE. HUH. THIS IS REALLY STRETCHING 1995. AND THESE 3 OLD MEN CANNOT REMEMBER THAT CONVERSATION VERBATIM 13 YEARS LATER. PLEASE!!!

Posted by: toby | April 16, 2008, 7:49 pm 7:49 pm

Hillary supporters will end up voting for Obama, because they don’t want to see McCain appoint a Supreme Court judge who will overturn Roe v Wade.

Posted by: AkaDad | April 16, 2008, 7:49 pm 7:49 pm

Brian Roderick,
I couldn’t have said it better myself.
Not to mention that if is she is having all this trouble running her campaign, WHY, OH WHY would we want her to run our country?!

Posted by: HoSo | April 16, 2008, 7:50 pm 7:50 pm

as a freshman and jr senator… he wrote and legislated and passed and had signed the bill that stopped the disgusting practice of having vets pay for their own food and phone calls while they were being patched up from a war that hilary voted for.
and…. he did the same with the strongest congressional ethics bill passed in over half a century.
the thing is. without being in the majority.. and being a freshman… and the jr senator. nothing was expected whatsoever except his votes. he exceeded those expectations too.
now.. YOUR TURN. tell me… what has Hilary done in her 35 yrs?

Posted by: drzoon | April 16, 2008, 7:50 pm 7:50 pm

Hillary supporters will not support McCain…that is all bluster…
McCain wants 100 years in Iraq and tax cuts for the wealthy…let alone the fact that he is really old and we need someone sharp and on their toes in these times…Hillary supporters that do end up supporting that man don’t deserve to be in the Obama coalition…
Obama 08!!

Posted by: HA | April 16, 2008, 7:50 pm 7:50 pm

Just like enough Hillary voters will not vote for Obama insuring his defeat at the hands for a TRUE AMERICAN HERO McCain.
The math will not work in Obama’s favor…

Posted by: Antonn | April 16, 2008, 7:51 pm 7:51 pm

Wow, so much for being a prospective president of all the people. This is gonna hurt HRC big time. Can you say …checkmate!!

Posted by: Rialb58 | April 16, 2008, 7:52 pm 7:52 pm

HA, you better be willing to bet the white house that we won’t vote McCain. If not Hillary….McCain.

Posted by: lady | April 16, 2008, 7:53 pm 7:53 pm

alls I know every 4yrs its the same crap instead of telling what your gonna try to do they lie and say there gonna do this and that just to get your votes on top of head bashing each other i just wish they would spend that kind of energy helping this country instead of biting the hand that feeds them helping other country’s is OK but dont kill us in the meantime maybe we should go with some one that haven’t been in politics to long instead of old timers we pretty much know what we get out of them give somebody new a chance you never know dont be scared hell look at Bush think what did he do think people

Posted by: leigh | April 16, 2008, 7:54 pm 7:54 pm

NURSERATCHET. I KNOW HIS NAME, JUST COULDNT BRING MYSELF TO SAY IT.

Posted by: jimt | April 16, 2008, 7:54 pm 7:54 pm

The woman is unfit for public office PERIOD.

Posted by: James | April 16, 2008, 7:54 pm 7:54 pm

goodie2shoes
did you see my response to your question?

Posted by: drzoon | April 16, 2008, 7:57 pm 7:57 pm

Why don’t we cool it with the racial attacks. I will not vote for Obama because he is a jr. senator not qualified to be president not because he is biracial.

Posted by: tt | April 16, 2008, 7:59 pm 7:59 pm

Umm… to the person that said this was just “hearsay.” They are incorrect. Hearsay is when you claim someone else told you they saw (or knows) something but you didn’t see that thing yourself. For example Hillary said that John said that Obama hate hockey. If you tried to say Obama hates hockey based on what Hillary had said that would be hearsay. In this case these professors are all citing their own experiences. That is called evidence. That said all Obama supports need to vote for HRC if she gets the nod and all HRC supporters need to vote for Obama if he does. We can’t afford McCain.

Posted by: Soy Boy | April 16, 2008, 8:00 pm 8:00 pm

that would be amazing to see all these mother-in-laws vote for someone who will give them a court to overturn Roe. the ultimate feminist move!
it would mean that we finally will be rid of the clintons! forever!
drive a stake through their hearts!

Posted by: drzoon | April 16, 2008, 8:00 pm 8:00 pm

This story is already hitting the web
The Washington Post has a new lead
MSNBC already has it on their website
the news will hit the media pretty soon
sorry ol’ Hill
You’ve just cost yourself Penn

Posted by: Vanessa | April 16, 2008, 8:00 pm 8:00 pm

The only thing that could make me stay home and not is if FL and MI are not fairly counted. That’s it. Even then, I’d have a very, very difficult time not voting, because IMO a McCain presidency would be a national disaster. I won’t be a part of that, so I’ll probably support Obama anyway even if he is handed the nomination.
I can’t imagine a scenario in which I’d vote for McCain.

Posted by: Teri B. | April 16, 2008, 8:00 pm 8:00 pm

If Hillary supporters want at least 4 more years of war and a guy who’s economic policies put us in a recession, well then, bless your hearts.

Posted by: AkaDad | April 16, 2008, 8:00 pm 8:00 pm

The only thing that could make me stay home and not is if FL and MI are not fairly counted. That’s it. Even then, I’d have a very, very difficult time not voting, because IMO a McCain presidency would be a national disaster. I won’t be a part of that, so I’ll probably support Obama anyway even if he is handed the nomination.
I can’t imagine a scenario in which I’d vote for McCain.

Posted by: Teri B. | April 16, 2008, 8:00 pm 8:00 pm

If you still think that John McCain stands a chance against Obama, you have severely, severely underestimated the power of this movement
Oh wait, we already knew that. That’s why Hillary lost this movement. She underestimated us.
But, according to Bill Clinton, we’re just dumb young voters who don’t get it. Thanks for the vote of confidence Bill. Really gonna help you gain my vote.Posted by: Dan
DAN, DON’T FORGET US WHITE, MIDDLE AGE, PROFESSIONALS WHO’S SIX FIGURE INCOME’S, PROPERTY VALUES AND 401K’S ARE TANKING!!
OBAMA 08!

Posted by: jpmbz | April 16, 2008, 8:01 pm 8:01 pm

I feel sick.
I can’t believe she said that…. I voted for her. I am so stupid. My wife told me she couldn’t be trust.
Now, if she had been in the room when someone else said it… that is one thing, BUT she said this. I am so angry.

Posted by: awfulsick | April 16, 2008, 8:01 pm 8:01 pm

This is all just heresay! Let’s wait for the truth to emerge.

Posted by: Reality check | April 16, 2008, 8:02 pm 8:02 pm

At a New Hampshire roundtable in December, Obama betrayed little emotion as one participant sobbed while describing her situation: She lost her job on her 65th birthday, struggles to afford her $2,900 monthly prescription drug costs, and lives in 30-year-old trailer where the thermostat is set at 64 degrees.
At the same event, he later mentioned how the success of his book had allowed him to buy a big house. He was making a point about inequities in the tax system, but the story felt misplaced in the midst of such dire tales.
Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/04/13/politics/politico/main4011791.shtml

Posted by: Gee | April 16, 2008, 8:04 pm 8:04 pm

Man this is a sad sad blog. I guess I’m right to teach my kids that racism is still alive and well. Why can’t people just say you don’t support a candidate because they are just not the candidate for you? How come we have to attack their race or gender or name??? Baracks race and middle name shouldn’t have anything to do with why people decide to vote for him, the same with Hilary Clintons gender. Aren’t we all adults here? Can’t we just sit down and make an informed decision about why we support someone? This is a sad world we live in.
Concerned Voter in Ca

Posted by: Renee | April 16, 2008, 8:06 pm 8:06 pm

goodie2shoes
no she didn’t. as a matter of fact. bill didn’t want to sign it. it came back three times. and it was orin hatch and ten kennedy that finally pressured her husband to sign it.
at the time he was very busy running to “the middle” to rescue his chances for re-election.
if anything… she helped with “pillow talk”
i think we all know by now that if hilary (or bill for that matter) say anything about anything… that it has to be taken with a grain of salt

Posted by: drzoon | April 16, 2008, 8:07 pm 8:07 pm

Gee,
Was Obama suppose to cry like a punk Hillary in New Hampshire……..We need a tough President that doesnt have 4 different faces of PMS. Hillary showed no emotion when she sent 4,000 american soldiers to death with a war she didnt even read an intelligence report on before signing…..The same peer pressure she succomb to by drinking the shot the other day!!!

Posted by: enaudnella | April 16, 2008, 8:09 pm 8:09 pm

They both just said the power in Washington has gone on too long. Not exactly but the point. Interesting since they’re both suppose to have been working for us in Washington. I believe the Demo’s control it. How much more can they give away. Change? what , how ? c

Posted by: rob stringer | April 16, 2008, 8:10 pm 8:10 pm

Bluster? LOL
Watch us vote for McCain.
I have already ordered my McCain lawn sign in anticipation.
Watch us.
You obama fools will take the blame. LOL
AND YOU’LL BE ONE OF THE FIRST TO CRY, WHINE AND ASK, “WHO VOTED FOR THIS IDIOT, HIS’S SHRUB II.”

Posted by: jpmbz | April 16, 2008, 8:11 pm 8:11 pm

jpm
Go ahead and vote for McCain. You’ll get another 4 miserable years under quasiBush administration. Nothing will be done about the economy and we’ll be in a war with Iran. What an idiot you are.

Posted by: Cathy | April 16, 2008, 8:14 pm 8:14 pm

Oh good lord! Don’t tell Bill to “screw ‘em” — he WILL!

Posted by: rabblebabble | April 16, 2008, 8:16 pm 8:16 pm

hatch… who is a friend of Hilary’s .. called that a “fantasy”. so… for some reason.. i am taking his word over hers

Posted by: drzoon | April 16, 2008, 8:18 pm 8:18 pm

Mrs. Clinton’s contempt for the South and Mr. Obama’s contempt for small town voters, is consistent with the attitude of the party as a whole. The traits of these two candidates are an index of the character of the modern Democrat Party. There are many Democrat leaders who would have represented the party with honor and distinction. We choose the least respected of the field and deserve exactly what we get. Mr. McCain has an advantage, despite the flaws of the current Administration.

Posted by: texasdemocrat | April 16, 2008, 8:21 pm 8:21 pm

S. B. Smith a sworn “Clinton Hater”.
Her book when it first came out was not
a chart buster. And, this undocumented
lie won’t make it one either.
It is not suprising that the Huffington
Post is reveling in this because of their pro-Obama bent and the opportu-
nity to distract from the remarks of
Sen.Obama.

Posted by: Raven | April 16, 2008, 8:23 pm 8:23 pm

my god, i am hurt. not by what obama said but by what clinton said, i am angry.

Posted by: angry | April 16, 2008, 8:23 pm 8:23 pm

So what! How about Barack Obama’s Pastor Remarck GOD BLESS AMERICA BUT NO NO GOD DAM AMERICA!
Or his Bitter RemarckS! Barack Obama’s WIfe for the First Time in her adult life is Proud to be an AMERICAN!
GIVE ME a break His wife for the first time in her adult life is Proud! After he has been winning!

Posted by: Goodie 2 Shoes | April 16, 2008, 8:30 pm 8:30 pm

God, stop, you’re making my sides hurt Hillary people! Obama said something about disgruntled people getting fired up about issues that don’t solve their problems, and she twists it into something nasty like “Screw ‘em” even though that wasn’t the case.
Flash forward to now, and she actually DID say “screw ‘em”, no ifs ands or buts about it, and you people are calling foul, begging for context and understanding.
Talk about Karma!

Posted by: fontapa | April 16, 2008, 8:35 pm 8:35 pm

I don’t care about Rev. Wright or Bosnia or Bill’s dalliances or Michelle’s toughness. I want Healthcare and a strong ecomony. I want someone to take care of foreclosures for the little man and woman and not corporations I want oil prices to go down and the middle class to prosper. The MEDIA is the reason I can’t hear about these things they JUST care about dissention.

Posted by: I need Healthcare | April 16, 2008, 8:36 pm 8:36 pm

do mangled words matter more than hopeful words?

Posted by: Don | April 16, 2008, 8:39 pm 8:39 pm

The William Ayres Problem is more Compared what Hillary Clinton said in 1995.

Posted by: Goodie 2 Shoes | April 16, 2008, 8:44 pm 8:44 pm

This is a DEBATE? It’s more like who’s running for Mr. or Mrs. Coviviality! GET TO THE ISSUES GEORGE! You have an ax to grind with the Clintons and no one cares! BRING ON THE REPUBLICANS BARACK WILL KNOCK THEIR SOCKS OFF!

Posted by: I Need Healthcare | April 16, 2008, 8:48 pm 8:48 pm

Obam claimed he never said he wouldn’t wear a flag pin. did he?
Obama is no longer 8. The Ayres issue is current.

Posted by: geevill | April 16, 2008, 8:51 pm 8:51 pm

Gooood goooooood
Let the hate flow through you.

Posted by: Me | April 16, 2008, 8:51 pm 8:51 pm

Bill Clinton commuted the sentences of two weather underground folks, which is much worse than the flimsy “association” between Obama and Ayers

Posted by: HA | April 16, 2008, 8:51 pm 8:51 pm

Bill Clinton commuted the sentences of two weather underground folks, which is much worse than the flimsy “association” between Obama and Ayers

Posted by: HA | April 16, 2008, 8:52 pm 8:52 pm

George S. is a Clinton crony! Get on with tge issues, this denate is boring. John McCain has all but promised to go to war with Iran … get on with the buisness of the America!

Posted by: Bob, Florida-RFO | April 16, 2008, 8:53 pm 8:53 pm

There is no Such Thing as Pleged Delegates or Supper Delegates all they are is Delegates!
The So Called Pledged Delegates Can change there minds at any time & vote for Who ever thay Want!
Vote Smart Vote for Hillary clinton “08″

Posted by: Goodie 2 Shoes | April 16, 2008, 8:53 pm 8:53 pm

Shame on Clinton. This just continues to show that she is willing to say anything to get elected and that she cannot be trusted. Simply put, she is a liar. She has lost my vote long ago and this is a perfect example of why. She blames her opponent for something while she has done something similar or worse. She can’t win and she can’t be trusted.

Posted by: Anthony | April 16, 2008, 8:57 pm 8:57 pm

The Clinton Presidency was the best Years we ever had! Gas Price’s under $2.00 Bucks!
22 Million new Jobs. The longest Peace timE!~
President Clinton’s Approval Was %65 Percent & Cernenly he was a lot Better then President Bush!

Posted by: Goodie 2 Shoes | April 16, 2008, 8:57 pm 8:57 pm

…and how come they didn’t ask her this while the grilled Obama with all sorts of questions about statements many of which were not even made by him. THIS WAS SAID BY HER. Hold her feet to the fire ABC, voters want some accountability from a candidate that is demanding the same from her opposition.

Posted by: anthony | April 16, 2008, 8:59 pm 8:59 pm

Name One thing You Obama Voters can tell me about Barack Obama what are his Plans?
What are Barack Obama’s plans for this Country can you name any?

Posted by: Goodie 2 Shoes | April 16, 2008, 8:59 pm 8:59 pm

We will maintain a sizable force in Iraq BUT we must not blindly attack Iran!
Re-enforce OEF; rebuild our military; strengthen our support for Isreal by stationing a division of US Forces in Isreal.

Posted by: Bob, Florida-RFO | April 16, 2008, 9:02 pm 9:02 pm

Look up this name on the web
Ariana Huffington! & Tell me where she came from! What Country she was born Ext.

Posted by: Goodie 2 Shoes | April 16, 2008, 9:10 pm 9:10 pm

The Huffington Post Should post about William Ayers & Barack Obama’s Relation ship!
How About that!

Posted by: Goodie 2 Shoes | April 16, 2008, 9:12 pm 9:12 pm

Shame on Obama? ROTFLMAO HE didn’t say anything! The Huffington Post reported what HILLARY SAID! LOL Dosen’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that your not playing with a bagfull of marbles if your trying to twist this to be anyone other than Hillary’s fault.
After saying Obama was elitist? This reeks of more of her lies that she is becoming known for.

Posted by: Brian | April 16, 2008, 9:12 pm 9:12 pm

Mark sure you want anyone talking about Ayers LOLOLOL Obama just pointed out that Hillary’s husband pardoned 2 of his partners!

Posted by: Brian | April 16, 2008, 9:14 pm 9:14 pm

The Media is Giving Barack Obama A Free Ride till this Day!
How Come he ducks Away from Tough Questions!

Posted by: Goodie 2 Shoes | April 16, 2008, 9:14 pm 9:14 pm

Hillary is a liar. Bought and sold by same old, same old politics.

Posted by: Brian | April 16, 2008, 9:15 pm 9:15 pm

FIRE GEORGE STEPHANOPOLOUS. he took NOTES on the Sean Hannity show for nothing but gotcha politics, and this is all he has done in this debate. I will boycott all Disney products as this former Clinton staffer reduces himself to a Republican hack cub reporter on behalf of a FOX news pundit.

Posted by: Vonda | April 16, 2008, 9:15 pm 9:15 pm

Obama is embarassing hiself stuttering and stammering all over the place. His Iran and Capital Gains tax answers were almost incoherent.

Posted by: geevill | April 16, 2008, 9:18 pm 9:18 pm

Good For George Stephanopoulos for asking him that about William Ayres & the Weather Under-ground!
The News Media Ecept for FOX-NEWS has been givving Barack Obama A Free Ride I will Keep on saying this till someone gets it!
BARACK OBAMA IS AN EMPTY SUITE!

Posted by: Goodie 2 Shoes | April 16, 2008, 9:18 pm 9:18 pm

I am a Democrat who loves Fox-news!
I use to hate FOX-NEWS & Bill O’Reilly & shawn Hanity but I like that News Channel!

Posted by: Goodie 2 Shoes | April 16, 2008, 9:22 pm 9:22 pm

Oh & I Like ABC NEWS to!

Posted by: Goodie 2 Shoes | April 16, 2008, 9:23 pm 9:23 pm

Can anyone say what John McCain’s plans are for this country? Probably not. He doesn’t have any. He only says what he is told to say. It ashame that too many Americans allow Fox News to do the thinking for them.

Posted by: Maria | April 16, 2008, 9:26 pm 9:26 pm

Can anyone say what John McCain’s plans are for this country? Probably not. He doesn’t have any. He only says what he is told to say. It ashame that too many Americans allow Fox News to do the thinking for them.

Posted by: Maria | April 16, 2008, 9:26 pm 9:26 pm

Of course we must register all guns!!
You have to register your car, your boat, your dog! Why not guns?

Posted by: Bob,Florida-RFO | April 16, 2008, 9:33 pm 9:33 pm

“How Come he ducks Away from Tough Questions!”
Because he’s a plastic sissy who can’t think on his feet. Obama’s meant to serve as an attractive figurehead for a bunch of bad white guys — IF they can put him in place.

Posted by: Edgar Cayce | April 16, 2008, 9:36 pm 9:36 pm

we can always trust the media to tell us the truth, right? same with the government. past issues about Obama & Hillary both have come to light. if you want to know the truth, read the book where her comments were stated. the context given was that it was an overall discussion among many people. I haven’t read the book, but the context given seemed to suggest Hillary was playing the “unaffected lib dem” to Bill’s “sympathetic lib dem” when discussing the many faces of the democratic party. Also, Obama shouldn’t have distanced himself from Rev White’s comments. He should have stood up for his long time pastor & clarified the remarks. It appeared that Rev White’s comments were actually quotes from other speakers. Also that the Rev White was actually speaking against the ideas/comments that he references in his sermon.

Posted by: cindy | April 16, 2008, 9:37 pm 9:37 pm

why is everyone saying the media is soft on Obama, when they are grinding the axe on evey words that come out of his mouth, and when her chairman went and do the same thing that they claim the Obama rep. went to Canada and do and u know what? is was swept under the rug. She is getting away with murder on CNN.

Posted by: jenny | April 16, 2008, 9:41 pm 9:41 pm

Affirmative action should be retired period. Race should not be asked on any forms so that the neediest can be helped rather than a bias on racial preferences.Miami is 65% Latino and 11% white but no minority rights for whites. This is happening all over America. The pendulum is swinging the other way and rather than equality as Oprah said of the OJ trial “Payback!”

Posted by: ozzyboy | April 16, 2008, 9:43 pm 9:43 pm

John McCain means war with Iran!
15% of our fuel is tax. Take control of our fuel cost by shipping directly from Iraq. A weak dollar will ensure higher priced crude oil!
But crude oil prices make up 65% of the cost of crude oil there for a price of crude increase is not proportionate with current price increases!
[Way too many commercial breaks on ABC!]

Posted by: Bob, Florida-RFO | April 16, 2008, 9:45 pm 9:45 pm

Shame on you George and Charlie. This is not a debate but a Obama bashing. Again, a modern day lynching.
I will NEVER watch either of your news shows EVER again.
To me you have aligned yourselves with Hillary and are chosing to “throw the kitchen sink” at Obama.
You should take a page from MSNBC on journalism.
After tonight, and things said and done in the past from Bill and Hillary, I think you can forget about the black vote in support of Hillary’s campaign.
Oh, by the way, where is Hillary’s american flag pin? I have not seen Hillary wear a flag pin.
C.

Posted by: ch | April 16, 2008, 9:46 pm 9:46 pm

There are no audiotapes or videotapes of Hillary saying “screw em” to anyone. This is hearsay, also known as “rumor”.

Posted by: Andrew | April 16, 2008, 9:49 pm 9:49 pm

But crude oil prices make up 65% of the cost of a gallon of gas therefore the price of crude increase is not proportionate with current price increases!
We want a thinker first then a fighter second!

Posted by: Bob, Florida-RFO | April 16, 2008, 9:50 pm 9:50 pm

How old was Obama when Ayers was doing his anti-Vietnam thing? Look it up. So Obama has a local political leader introduce him to other political leaders, and that guy, before being a respected professor and political mover/shaker, did something bad a few decades ago, and that’s somehow supposed to reflect on Obama?
Do you people have any idea how many people an ascending politician meets, plays, and works with in their career?
Not everyone you spend a few hours with is a direct reflection on your campaign. I know you’re looking desperately for a smoking gun, might wanna look in Wild Hill’s Holsters…

Posted by: fontapa | April 16, 2008, 9:54 pm 9:54 pm

To start with Rev Wright said God Damned America its the same as Pat ROBERTSON basically said about 9/11, also Hillary is finished she can’t win enough deligate fairly. At one time I would of voted her if she got the nomination I will not now Go Barrack he wilL win it allI AM A VIET ERA VET.T he man inspires the best in us.He does remind me of Bobby Kennedy

Posted by: Richard from Pa. | April 16, 2008, 9:55 pm 9:55 pm

Bill always struck me as genuinely caring about the working class. Much more than Hillary, who grew up rich.

Posted by: Kelly | April 16, 2008, 9:56 pm 9:56 pm

“There is no Such Thing as Pleged Delegates or Supper Delegates all they are is Delegates!
The So Called Pledged Delegates Can change there minds at any time & vote for Who ever thay Want!
Vote Smart Vote for Hillary clinton “08″
If this is the case, why bother to vote at all, the true elitist in the party will pick who they want, despite what the majority of Democrats say.

Posted by: LHIC | April 16, 2008, 9:57 pm 9:57 pm

Ever see a North Korean? Everyone is forced to wear a lapel pin picture of Kim Jung Ill!
HRC and John McCain seldom wear an American Flag lapel pin! But they are questioned about their their “love” of America. The debate on ABC by ABC was poor! The entire ABC crew is just a tad better then Fox News!
That last statement by the ABC speaker was a vailed endorsement for Hillary. ABC sucks!

Posted by: Bob, Florida-RFO | April 16, 2008, 10:02 pm 10:02 pm

Thank you Andrew for pointing out that fact. This is how rumors get started and the press has been notorious for starting them, spreading them and then trying to justify them.

Posted by: KellyInTex | April 16, 2008, 10:04 pm 10:04 pm

I’d only believe this nonsense if I were in the room.Sen Clinton is many things but stupid is not one of them.I think this person was out to write something to get notoriety and sell books.

Posted by: mmecon | April 16, 2008, 10:07 pm 10:07 pm

Re: “Much more than Hillary, who grew up rich.”
Hillary didn’t grow up rich. She grew up middle/lower middle class and attended a public school.

Posted by: Sue | April 16, 2008, 10:08 pm 10:08 pm

Someone said they heard this and you take it as fact? You are digging to find something on Hillary, based on non-fact. The problems with Obama are fact and known on film, to everyone. I will never forget the “bitter” quote.

Posted by: Paul in PA | April 16, 2008, 10:13 pm 10:13 pm

I do not believe what I just watched on ABC. That was not a debate. That was an obama bashing by three people. Both Charlie and George should be ashame for such conduct as journalists.

Posted by: Marie | April 16, 2008, 10:16 pm 10:16 pm

Yeah! Let’s get this out to the main stream media NOW! Does anyone need more proof of what a ruthless witch Hillary Clinton really is? I’d love to see these comments added to her already infamous resume. Let’s watch her try and squirm her way out of this one. HA!

Posted by: luigi999 | April 16, 2008, 10:19 pm 10:19 pm

I do not believe what I just watched on “ABC. That was not a debate. That was an obama bashing by three people. Both Charlie and George should be ashame for such conduct as journalists.”
What would you expect Marie, look at where George launced his “news” career from, the backs of the Clintons. He doesn’t want to be publically flogged like Bill Richardson was. And network news wonders why their ratings continue to plummet.

Posted by: LHIC | April 16, 2008, 10:22 pm 10:22 pm

There is no way Sen. McCain could win the election against a viable candidate. Luckily he won’t have to.

Posted by: jijalagi | April 16, 2008, 10:24 pm 10:24 pm

it is impossible for obama to win in November…..

Posted by: chris | April 16, 2008, 10:26 pm 10:26 pm

Only a Obama supporter would write about this kind of opinion from an unknown source. A credible Correspondent would not write about a RUMOR. God Bless Hillary !!!

Posted by: PA Bob | April 16, 2008, 10:26 pm 10:26 pm

Yes, I believe that the Clintons would do just what they said. NAFTA is the proof. The Clinton not only screwed the southern whites but every ethnic group: the African Americans, Asians, Hispanics. This so called infamous couple the Clintons are losers. They’ve done everything and thrown the kitchen sink at her fellow democratic Obama and friends. She nor Bill can not move back into the white house or else their will screw us up again.

Posted by: Laidetea | April 16, 2008, 10:27 pm 10:27 pm

i agree with an earlier blog statement that this was a bashing of obama and to have a correspondent come in at the end to make a statement that there are a lot of things the american people don’t know about senator obama.this was totally biased to allow a non moderator to come in at the end to give a 30 second soundbite using it to criticize senator obama only.

Posted by: ron | April 16, 2008, 10:30 pm 10:30 pm

The debate tonight was a farce. They spent the first 1/2 hour making Obama defend himself over and over again. They asked the most ridiculous questions I have ever heard. Personally, I want to know why Hillary feels that freezing interest rates is a good idea. She slips that in all the time and no one has yet to ask her why. I think it rates right up there with the dumbest idea ever. Obama kept trying to bring things back to issues but, of course, nobody would go there.

Posted by: Bea | April 16, 2008, 10:31 pm 10:31 pm

JAKE-
GET REAL. Unless someone has a tape of her saying this__THIS IS BS reporting. As ALWAYS an attempt to switch the attention ON HER when he has once again demonstrated his total UNFITNESS to be dogcatcher. Unless you have a tape or transcript–shame on you Jake for repeating this–Anyone can SAY anyone else said ANYTHING. WHERE IS THE PROOF?
P.S. George and Charles did a great job tonight–finally confronting Obama & asking some real questions from both candidates.

Posted by: jacob | April 16, 2008, 10:32 pm 10:32 pm

That was a gossip book. I read it and it is an anti-Clinton book. What kind of journalist are you to be quoting a non-factual piece of garbage. What has ABC become?
SHAME ON YOU!!!

Posted by: Gabe | April 16, 2008, 10:35 pm 10:35 pm

one attendee recalled – I am glad you use facts, sounds like Hillary bashing. She will remember when you want to attend a white house news conference.

Posted by: martha S. | April 16, 2008, 10:35 pm 10:35 pm

Can Clinton not answer a single question without refering to the 90′s and or her husband.

Posted by: Gilbert | April 16, 2008, 10:35 pm 10:35 pm

You Obama Clinton fans should all pay attention to both of these people! It would appear that we, the American tax payers, will be paying a hell of a lot more tax dollars for programs to benefit Affirmative Action, pay college for ALL, bail out mortgages and bail out banks along with so many social programs we will choke!!! I am all in favor of aiding the poor, however, I do not want to pay for people who bought a house they could not afford or the greedy bankers that gave loans to these people knowing they could not afford them. I was a Clinton supporter but now, after listening to McCain, I am voting republican for the first time in 50 years. Pay real attention to the programs that Clinton and Obama want us to pay for! You will know what a real liberal is and Obama is the most liberal. Better get two jobs if he gets elected President!!!

Posted by: michafiath | April 16, 2008, 10:36 pm 10:36 pm

You Obama Clinton fans should all pay attention to both of these people! It would appear that we, the American tax payers, will be paying a hell of a lot more tax dollars for programs to benefit Affirmative Action, pay college for ALL, bail out mortgages and bail out banks along with so many social programs we will choke!!! I am all in favor of aiding the poor, however, I do not want to pay for people who bought a house they could not afford or the greedy bankers that gave loans to these people knowing they could not afford them. I was a Clinton supporter but now, after listening to McCain, I am voting republican for the first time in 50 years. Pay real attention to the programs that Clinton and Obama want us to pay for! You will know what a real liberal is and Obama is the most liberal. Better get two jobs if he gets elected President!!!

Posted by: michafiath | April 16, 2008, 10:37 pm 10:37 pm

Bruce Springsteen endorses Barack Obama in presdential race
Bruce Springsteen has officially offered his endorsement to democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama in a message posted on his website today (April 16).
The New Jersey-native said that Obama has “the depth, the reflectiveness, and the resilience to be our next President. He speaks to the America I’ve envisioned in my music for the past 35 years”
“After the terrible damage done over the past eight years, a great American reclamation project needs to be undertaken” Springsteen continued.” I believe that Senator Obama is the best candidate to lead that project and to lead us into the 21st Century with a renewed sense of moral purpose and of ourselves as Americans. Over here on E Street, we’re proud to support Obama for President.”

Posted by: CHUCK | April 16, 2008, 10:39 pm 10:39 pm

The “boys” were not supportive of Bill Clinton so she said what she said, in defense of her husband. This is not what she says to the voters that supported him or in this cae, her. If you cannot convince voters to support you, “screw ‘em” and move on to help the people that will help you help them. If the “boys” benefit, ok but don’t dwell on turning the other cheek. Bill did turn the other cheek and see whre it got him. What she said and what Obama said were two entirely different things. Tapper, you are blurring the issues here.

Posted by: mpwdc | April 16, 2008, 10:43 pm 10:43 pm

This blog article just reinforced my support for Hillary. You should be ashamed for writing this rubbish.

Posted by: Charles G. | April 16, 2008, 10:47 pm 10:47 pm

Michaefiath and any others complaining about Obama’s tax plans……….
Before you start whining tell us because I’m sure you at least have 3-5 bedrooms a 2 car garage, etc, etc……..if not multiple houses, cars, etc. We should listen to you whine about taxing the “elite” vs the middle class when many of us wish we had the opportunity to own a home?
Go to the islands and camp out for the rest of your life while we take America back. The land of opportunity and a place that CAN and WILL take care of it’s own.

Posted by: NC | April 16, 2008, 10:47 pm 10:47 pm

ABD should be ashaned of themselves for letting George S. and Charlie G moderate this so called debate. They were continually interrupting Sen. Obama. It was as if Sen. Obama was being attacked on three fronts, Hillary, McCain by proxy and the two so called moderators. I will never watch ABC news again as I think these two guys were biased and unfair. As for George, he worked for the Clintons and
was too soft and condescending to that nasty woman. Hillary, you are a blot on America’s social conscience. I wonder why the MSM hasn’t picked up on this story. If we have anything to do with it, the blogs seem to be.

Posted by: Holly | April 16, 2008, 10:48 pm 10:48 pm

ABC —– Against Barack’s Campaign

Posted by: Kwaku Gyasi | April 16, 2008, 10:50 pm 10:50 pm

Gilbert, you must not be old enough to remember the ’90′s. I bet your parents do. We had prosperity, good economy and excellent rapport throughout the world. Money was being invested and investment were growing and the stock market doing well. It was a heck of a lot better than the admin before and the admin after…do your homework before you vote McCain. If you liked Reagan you will love Obama(I forgot, you probably weren’t born when Regan was in Office). If you want to start fixing the problems and turning things in the right direction for everyone..vote Hillary.

Posted by: mpwdc | April 16, 2008, 10:50 pm 10:50 pm

The dems just keep make it easier and easier for McCain to wrap this whole thing up in Nov.

Posted by: John in Winston-Salem | April 16, 2008, 10:52 pm 10:52 pm

Dear ABC News (If indeed you are a news organization); If you are not sincere in soliciting opinions from real people then just give up now and resign or retire. What idiot rent boy or rent girl did you hire to come up with “your opinion has been flagged as potential comment spam.”
are you too beholden to Beijing, Moscow or Riyahd?

Posted by: democratarian libertarian | April 16, 2008, 10:53 pm 10:53 pm

The Pope today said “God Bless America”, how refreshing. I could never vote for Obama and his unRev. Wright with his G** D*** America. How could anyone vote for this empty suit and his disgusting associates?

Posted by: james | April 16, 2008, 10:53 pm 10:53 pm

This was a set-up to blind side Obama. How can you have a former Clinton aide conducting the debate? ABC really showed their bias. Look at the source of Stephanopolous’s questions. He probably conspired with Hilary to provide the questions in advance. Isn’t that her style. Win at any cost.

Posted by: John | April 16, 2008, 10:59 pm 10:59 pm

Poor Obama! He made 4.2 million in 2007 and still does not see that he is an “elitist”..Poor Obama..ABC did not give him a pass tonight…he was on the defensive all night and had to comment after Hillary on most everything she said. I bet Chris Matthews was really feeling his pain..right up the leg. He always has to have the last word. Poor Obama..not reponsible for his associations with Rev Wright, Bill Ayers, Rezko, etc. He still has NEVER answered why he stayed in that church for 20 years..even after Rev Wright and Farrakhan went to meet with Qaddafi. And remember when he said he only did 5 hours of work for Rezko? He actually has had a 17 year association with Rezko. The part he tells may be true enough he just doesn’t tell the whole truth. He uses “speech” to skirt the truth for his own advantage.

Posted by: mpwdc | April 16, 2008, 11:02 pm 11:02 pm

We were cheated out of our last elected president by the Fla. gov. and the Supreme Court. This time, an Obama-biased media, is determined to place their candidate in the White House. I wonder if the American people will ever get their country back.

Posted by: Jane, NC | April 16, 2008, 11:02 pm 11:02 pm

I have to say I am surprised at the response on this blog about the ABC debate tonight. For once some hard questions were posed to both candidates. Bosnia, Ayres, Wright were all relevant to my determination of the basic character of both candidates. Kudoos to the moderators and to Jake, of course.
I think they actually could have been alot tougher, unlike many on this blog.

Posted by: countallthevotes | April 16, 2008, 11:02 pm 11:02 pm

I was very disappointed at the way Charles Gibson And George Steponapolous moderated the debate tonight. I guess my expectations are always higher but they acted just like the folks on Faux News. They asked questions that they wanted to know answers to and that had no real substance. All these questions about gafs that either candidate has made are just crap. I don’t give a rat’s butt about this. And yes I’m bitter AND frustrated. And I don’t live in PA. I ;ive in Austin Texas. My husband has lost his job, I have enormous credit card debt and the credit card companies continue to rape us on APRs, I have student loan debt from putting 2 kids through college, gas and food prices are out the ying yang and illegal immigration is draining our resources and causing our taxes on ALL levels to go absolutely crazy! Not to mention that we have the highest auto and homeowner insurance rates in the whole country! And we talk about these things please? Can we talk about getting us out of this costly war. Costly in lives and money. STOP asking questions about silly stuff that frankly no one cares about except the media. I guess these issues are sexier than talking about the recession that we’re in. Let’s face it; there are no perfect people. Not even people who run for president. That may be a revelation to some but they aren’t perfect. They’re going to say and do things that everyone won’t agree with. But can we at least at this point let them talk about issues? For as many so called debates that we’ve had, it would have been nice to take each one and just have the candidates talk about how they would handle an issue per debate. This debate tonight focused more on Rev Wright, Bosnia, Mr. Ayres, going to a differentchurch, flag lapel pins. I really hate the media sometimes. They’re constantly trying to steer the American public and most times we follow along like sheep.

Posted by: cassandra | April 16, 2008, 11:03 pm 11:03 pm

funny, no question about this at the debate
too bad it was charles and his toy george

Posted by: angry | April 16, 2008, 11:03 pm 11:03 pm

John,
I think you are speaking of George Stephanopolis?? He is anti-Clinton and that is well documented. LOL

Posted by: countallthevotes | April 16, 2008, 11:04 pm 11:04 pm

Ben Smith noted that it took 63 minutes to get to the first issue question, on the economy.
That tells it all, doesn’t it.
The worst debate I ever saw. A total ABC blunder.

Posted by: hank | April 16, 2008, 11:06 pm 11:06 pm

Laidetea: You are either a Republican or too young to remember the Clinton Administration.

Posted by: mpwdc | April 16, 2008, 11:07 pm 11:07 pm

Hillary brings up the Clinton era, budget surplus, good employment, no wars and respect for our country, throughout the world to Obama on a regular basis. Obama talks “change” to have our country like the Clinton era, Hillary knows, she was there. I believe Obama was into drinking and drugs and was not aware of the Clinton era.

Posted by: Atisha | April 16, 2008, 11:08 pm 11:08 pm

spot of tea anyone?

Posted by: John in Winston-Salem | April 16, 2008, 11:10 pm 11:10 pm

Hmmm, Huffington is notoriously for Obama so it’s no surprise she would publish smear about Hillary. Aren’t any Obama people concerned about all the shady connections Obama seems to have? It seems like there is something new every day that has to be investigated, Ayers, Auchi, Rezko, Wright, Farrakhan,etc.,etc. Also, why doesn’t O give more coherent answers on the issues if he has a plan for “change.” I’m looking for the answers so I can be converted.

Posted by: JKR | April 16, 2008, 11:12 pm 11:12 pm

Finally–honest hard questions to both candidates–and although it seemed Obama was permitted to ramble forever, he was interupted at appropriate times with appropriate prompting to return to the question. These guys did not allow either candidate to elude the questions–and these were the questions that needed to be asked. Thank you ABC for coming through on this one. I felt sorry for Obama a few times because his rambling and his lack of mindful details were glaringly apparent this evening— I will know who I am rooting for now–and it is Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: Beth | April 16, 2008, 11:12 pm 11:12 pm

It’s clear who this news organization supports. Obama was up against three opponents and still he beat them.
How about that comeback on Hillary regarding her comments about women baking cookie back in the 1990′s… I’m sure some of those Pennsylvania voters are old enough to remember that one. Talk about elitest and condescending remarks.
Women over 40 do support Obama

Posted by: LCF | April 16, 2008, 11:12 pm 11:12 pm

Cassandra, the reason you have your problems today is because no one listened or took a close look at George W Bush. The masses swooned to him and elected him. No one wanted to hear about his character. Dan Rather tried to tell us and he got fired. The questions asked for the first hour tonight were about character. Obama was grilled because he has associated with men of dubious character. Like it or not, Hillary Clinton has plans to get you out of the hole you are in. She can’t do it for you and the rest of us if she doesn’t get the opportunity. George W Bush has proven that the majority can be very wrong.

Posted by: mpwdc | April 16, 2008, 11:15 pm 11:15 pm

Great debate!!! ABC gets high marks!!! It is now clear to me which candidate is the best and which candidate I will cast my vote for!! … Go McCain!!!

Posted by: John in Winston-Salem | April 16, 2008, 11:16 pm 11:16 pm

to all you obama bots one name tonight will finish the phase not electable. that name is (william ayers) this will be the talk of the town for next few days. barack, is good friends with home grone terrorist from faction of 1970s
called (weather under ground) this person admits to bombings openly
obama, says I have better judgment does this relationship seem to tell us something.it says it all (lack of judgement)

Posted by: richard | April 16, 2008, 11:19 pm 11:19 pm

Bob,Florida RFO: Perhaps the reason people question Obama about the American flag and not Hillary or McCain is because Obama as known associations to people who appear to be anti-American: Rev Wright and Bill Ayers for starters. We can add Rezko and others later.

Posted by: mpwdc | April 16, 2008, 11:38 pm 11:38 pm

Jake, I’m disappointed in you on this one. This article is like the National Enquirer. Most of the time, you seem to have better judgment.

Posted by: LB | April 16, 2008, 11:48 pm 11:48 pm

How exactly does Obama plan to get the country to unite around him if his whole technique is lies and evasion?
What part of that has worked for the country and the Bush Admin?
And his I was against the war before I had to vote for it. When Pres Clinton tried to point that out as a fairy tale, Obama turned it into a racial attack.
He has no honor, he doesn’t take responsibility for his actions, he lies and is a hypocrite.
That isn’t a character that I want in White House, especially one who has to sue other democrats to win. He proves that he didn’t think he could win an honorable campaign, and he proves it everyday when he creates probelms and then calls someone else a racist to solve it.
Now, he throws Carter under the bus for talking to Hamas, while his excuse is that they are not a state, but a terrorist group. It ignores the fact that they were elected into power, and the fact that Hamas was ok when it came to his church and handing over their newsletter to them. It was ok to talk them while in the debate, but if Pres Carter continues on his decades long attempts to bring peace to the Middle East. Now there is a probelm.
Obama the hypocrite….one set of rules for him and another set of rules for everyone else…even Democratic Presidents can’t escape his hypocrisy.

Posted by: Cali girl knows the truth | April 16, 2008, 11:49 pm 11:49 pm

Another election, another selection..by the media. If they tell you something over and over you begin to believe it as truth. They think the people are too dumb to make their own decisions. They may be right.

Posted by: mpwdc | April 16, 2008, 11:51 pm 11:51 pm

This debate is atrocious! How can anyone spend so much time attacking a candidate by highlighting various nonsensical issues given the fact that the matters were already addressed over and over again? I noted that Barack wanted to address the matter(s) of concern for the American people, but George and the others kept lingering on irrelevant things such as: Why aren’t you wearing a flag pin… Additionally Hillary wanted to add much fuel to the fire regarding Barack’s association with Jeremiah Wright, and some other person by wanting to stay on the subject. However, I realize that when she was asked about Bosnia, she still licontinue to lie about being forgetful and lack of sleep; Barack could have discounted that excuse but he didn’t. He instead, wanted to address real issues. This is evident and I knew loooong ago that Barack has the quaities of a REAL leader, and he’ll be the nominee for the Democratic Party!

Posted by: Liz | April 16, 2008, 11:55 pm 11:55 pm

If the dialogue is about character, a significant issue, in my mind, was not addressed by ABC. Is Hillary Clinton is fit to be President considering her husband, as President, had oral sex with a White House Intern in the White House. Bill Clinton also lied under oath about his immoral and indecent act and lied to the nation on national television about his immoral and indecent act. Bill Clinton was impeached for his un-American conduct. Judging from the votes so far, a majority of democrats do not want the Clintons back in the White House. Besides soiling the office of the Presidency of the United States with his lewd and contemptuous behavior, Bill Clinton single-handedly destroyed the Democratic Party by refusing to resign and dragging the nation through an impeachment proceeding. The immediate aftermath was the Democrats’ lost of the White House and Congress in the 2000 elections. Added to Bill Clinton’s conduct was Hillary Clinton’s accusation that the early statements that Bill Clinton had an affair with Monica Lewinsky were the result of a “vast right-wing conspiracy.” Americans have not forgotten her paranoia nor Bill Clinton’s immoral and indecent behavior as President.

Posted by: Stevens | April 17, 2008, 12:18 am 12:18 am

I think people need to sit back and see that the negative comments that are being said by Hillary is a bunch of squash. Everyone seems to forget that her husband (Bill) started this nafta trade and she is still associated with him.Where did all our jobs go? let’s talk about that. We are losing jobs that companies are taking overseas and when you call the phone company now someone in India is aswering my questions and can’t hardly speak English. So why are we focus on who barack is associated with? In that case you need to associate her with the man who sent our jobs overseas and I didn’t see her trying to do a damn thing about in the senate,how is she going to get our jobs back in the US? Hillary is full of it, she says she was under fire on her trip, yeah she was a bold face lie,oops but she didn’t get any sleep that night according to her husband.

Posted by: sharif | April 17, 2008, 12:25 am 12:25 am

Worst debate ever!! Who wants yo watch an hour of useless opinions about wardrobe and associates and non issue related gossip. It was three people trying to beat down Obama. I used to think Fox was the worst. Congrats ABC, you are just like them!!

Posted by: mkp4 | April 17, 2008, 12:29 am 12:29 am

The first tabloid debate I’ve ever seen!!!
An absolute embarrassment. Charlie & George put on the WORST debate of my lifetime.
THE WORST !!! The absolute WORST!!!!
It was the most silly and ridiculous debate I’ve ever seen. Where were the issues that mattered to Americans! American’s lost tonight!!
ABC should fire these two. The first 48 minutes was total nonsense!!!! Charlie, George, it’s the economy STUPIDS!!! Charlie & George both by stating stupid issues are making people not vote. They are disconnecting people from voting.
I hear TV is in trouble and this is one of the reasons why? They failed as journalists. I was embarrassed for our country to see this completely un level, unequal playing field.
ABC has just lost one Dances with the Stars viewer and one Men in Trees viewer and George’s Sunday show is coming off my TIVO!!!
This debate was appalling !!!
Donna

Posted by: Hotshortie | April 17, 2008, 12:37 am 12:37 am

I am sick and tired of the right and republicans having their way with our country. First off, nothing they have been doing for the past 7 years has done anything positive. From running our economy into the ground, to getting us into the most expensive, and stupid war in the history of the united states. If we weren’t in Iraq, spending billions, and if we weren’t giving the top one percent huge tax breaks, as well as letting the corporations get away with everything from tax evasion, to taking hard working american jobs overseas, do you know how much money we would have? can you imagine if we would have had our troops here during katrina? and instead of having the majority of troops in Iraq, we could be working on something that we were suppose to do by now? Getting osama bin laden? remember him? I have a message for the so called conservatives; if you really want to save money, then why are you giving the go ahead to people like George W., who has spent more of our money then any president to date? and what do we have to show? whew, I could go on and on, but seriously, America, wake the hell up! Look at the issues, and make the right choice for president. The democratic nominee, whoever that is. Personally, I hope its Obama, but if not, im still going to give my vote for Hillary.
Change is something we need, not another four years of Bush. I don’t think a lot of us will be able to survive that.

Posted by: Linden | April 17, 2008, 12:40 am 12:40 am

I would like to compliment ABC for the best debate of the primary season. I think both moderators were professional and fair. Finally some tough questions. I am glad there were detailed questions regarding the economy, and foreign policy. It was a very informative debate. Great job!

Posted by: Stacie | April 17, 2008, 12:42 am 12:42 am

if it sounds like a lie, and it reads like a lie and it could BE a lie…
it’s very possible that it isn’t.
but even if it is……. We NEED Hillary because she’s the only one with
healthcare and economic programs that will work.
we NEEd Hillary because she’s got the solutions….. and not one of us here in this blog has not said something meanspirited at one time or another.
give US a chance…..

Posted by: eyes open | April 17, 2008, 12:46 am 12:46 am

Trinity Church newsletter with an article written by Hamas.
Different set of rules for Obama and his church and President Carter’s decades long attempt at peace in the Middle East.
Of course, the real story is that Obama lost his stones and now had to throw Carter under the bus, because he was in front of a Jewish group and had to convince them that he is their man.
So, just how many people are going to have hypocritical tire tracks over them just so Obama can get into the White House?
Every situation….two set of rules…

Posted by: Cali girl knows the truth | April 17, 2008, 12:48 am 12:48 am

… and maybe she was just standing by her man.

Posted by: eyes open | April 17, 2008, 12:49 am 12:49 am

I’m getting sick and tired of people distorting the facts! First of all Michelle didn’t say “for the first time I’m proud of my country” but rather, for the first time she’s *really* proud of her country! I agree whole heartedly with her and have heard many white people say the same. She’s referring to the fact that so many white people are standing up and willing to support a black man A BLACK MAN! to the highest position in the land. Being black american, I know it’s something she NEVER thought would happen and I agree with her. Stop distorting and twisting her words! What a bunch of knuckle head idiots some people are!

Posted by: Candise | April 17, 2008, 12:51 am 12:51 am

What’s your point Cali? What are we supposed to be looking at?

Posted by: Candis | April 17, 2008, 12:56 am 12:56 am

Psst…Candance
If Gen Powell would of run for President he would’ve been the first black President even as a Republican.
Don’t pretend this is something new.
Frankly, it is a insult to Gen Powell and the entire country who wanted him to run several times.

Posted by: Cali girl knows the truth | April 17, 2008, 12:58 am 12:58 am

That Obama is a hypocrite. He claimed in the debates that he would talk to political leaders that we don’t normally talk to. When on his stump speeches to make political hay with it against the other Democrats running.
Now that he is in front of a Jewish group he goes against everything he has said on the subject up to now. And just for good measure throws Pres Carter under the bus to prove that he is against Hamas.
So, now that Hamas is an elected political power, one that he claimed he would talk to and recognize.
When Carter actually walks the walk and continues on the decades long effort to bring peace into the Middle East. Obama tosses everything he has said on the subject just to appease the Jewish group. And chastizes Carter for talking to them and not setting up the meeting the exact way other Dem criticized him for.
Once again it is one set of rules for him and another set for everyone else.
Even his church gets a different set of rules than President Carter.

Posted by: Cali girl knows the truth | April 17, 2008, 1:11 am 1:11 am

hillary was having a conversation with her HUSBAND!!!!!
egads!

Posted by: eyes open | April 17, 2008, 1:18 am 1:18 am

As for the debate, although it took some time to get into the “debate” I thought Hillary was brilliant.

Posted by: eyes open | April 17, 2008, 1:21 am 1:21 am

Another thing. Barack Obama is an adult and it really irks me that people continue to ask how he could sit in a church for 20 years and bla bla bla! You can belong to a church for…. 100 years! and never attend EVERY single church service! Good grief! I personally LIKE the sermons that were preached because Wright was telling it like it is. It is said that the truth hurts. Doesn’t mean that I believe EVERYTHING he believes and it’s my right and responsibility to filter the information given. Obama has that same right and common sense.

Posted by: Candis | April 17, 2008, 1:33 am 1:33 am

Candis,
That is right you agree with everything the Rev said and the fact is Obama probably does too.
But rather than stand up for his Rev he threw him under the bus and explained it away as a crazy old uncle and how his experiences of the past color his views.
Rev White speaks the truth and Obama doesn’t have enough honor in his soul to honor his own Rev.
Geez…the Iran/Contra scandal proves drugs were run into the black areas, but Obama doesn’t speak truth even then.
The community organizer doesn’t even honor them with the truth of what was done to them in the eighties and beyond.
Tragic!

Posted by: Cali girl knows the truth | April 17, 2008, 1:41 am 1:41 am

Obama is going to be the Democratic candidate and he will beat old mcCain. let’s hope he can deliver at least 50% of change he promised. I will be happy if he can put a Universal Health care system. I am tired of private health care. It’s aint working. If you are against a Universal health care, I hope you refuse to accept your social security check. Because that also faced similar obstacles as Univeral health care faces today. I guess yes we can.:-)

Posted by: Al, San Francisco | April 17, 2008, 1:54 am 1:54 am

I applaude ABC for having the guts to finally confront Obama with these “hard-ball” questions – as to his disputable connections with the “Irreverent” Wright, Bill Ayers, Rezko, etc. And don’t forget that even Hillary was grilled over her fake Bosnia sniper-fire memories!
How can you, NOT think that any of this is relevant? This is all about Obama’s judgement & the controversial company he keeps. As well as Hillary’s honesty. But, on the other hand – is there such a thing as an “honest” politician? I think NOT – except some are better at hiding their dishonesty, than others!
And didn’t anyone notice how, the normally smooth-talking Obama – stammered thru most of his answers to those questions on his associations?
As for the rest of you, who wanted to hear more of the issues debated – well, O & Hill have already done this numerous times in previous debates. ABC was right, to finally give the voters some insight into to each candidate’s integrity, honesty & judgement – if any!

Posted by: Victoria | April 17, 2008, 2:12 am 2:12 am

Honestly, have you ever talk to your spouse or somebody very close to you and complain about something that bothering you?
It’s between two people involve on that conversation.
She is not a saint.
It was in 1995 and who knows the truth about this anyway?

Posted by: crisis08 | April 17, 2008, 2:25 am 2:25 am

Since all you can write about is slamming Clinton, AND you are the ABC News’ Senior National Correspondent, and not their editorial writer, how does ABC let you sit there and write nothing more than half-truths and mistruths about Hillary Clinton. You should be an editorial writer working for the Manchester Union Leader! You are saying she said that? Where did she say “screw em”?
You are an idealog who should be thrown out as you are as unbiased as Orrin Hatch!
The US seems to have issues with women trying to break the glass ceiling. Currently the following states have NEVER had a female governor: Arkansas, California, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Maine, Maryland, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Nevada, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Virginia, West Virginia, Wisconsin.
There has been 30 female governors in the history of the United States with 15 of them sitting in the 21st Century!
Please show me the quote! YOU CAN’T!
Why don’t you write about John McCain and the “Keating 5″, which is at least factual?

Posted by: PHVT | April 17, 2008, 2:31 am 2:31 am

OK, was this really true or just put in a book to boost some juice? That doesn’t even sound like Hillary. The media can pull up more “crap”!

Posted by: Darla | April 17, 2008, 2:39 am 2:39 am

It never ceases to amaze me how we as americans are so easy to distract and mislead. Obama chooses to take the “high” road because if he goes scorched earth on Clinton the collateral damage could hurt in the Real Election a point that appears to be lost on Ms. Clinton. None of the candidates have experience governing, does anyone else find that interesting?
ALL politicians have unseemly associations, it’s an occupational hazard the issue is, are they capable of independent ACTION and can they build coalitions that can get OUR work done. Say what you want not having a dialog with those who oppose us in thew world has led us to our current state of affairs, unless we’re willing to bring back the draft “big stick” foreign policy is a threat to our national security.

Posted by: nothypnotized | April 17, 2008, 3:31 am 3:31 am

It is obvious that the media is in the tank for Senator Obama. It finally took the ABC network to get it right. The other media networks have given Senator Obama a pass for too long. This generated media hype has created the belief that Senator Obama is able to walk on water. I have long given up on watching the news because of their unethical journalism. I have been writing these networks for months with information about Senator Obama that has been out there since he announced his campaign and imploring them to do their job and report all the news.
Furthermore, the information that is not aired but is out there by credible news organizations in the international community are the following: the complete story of Senator Obama’s twenty year tie to the Trinity United Church of Christ (their support of the Nation of Islam and the lifetime achievement award to Louis Farrakhan), the church’s separatist policy which can be found on their website called the Black Value System, his spiritual mentor Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. and his Black Liberation Theology (stemming from Marxist ideology and is supported by the Black Panthers), the church’s Pro-Palestine support and their support of pastor’s trip to meet with Khadafi in the eighties who was a known terrorist, Antoin Resko and his financial association to Arab billionaire Nadhmi Auchi (who was a co-conspirator and charged with Saddam Hussein to assassinate the President of Iraq Abdul-Karim Qasim in 1959, his friendship with American terrorists The Weatherman William Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn (who bombed U.S. buildings during the 1960-70′s to overthrow the U.S. government), The Woods Funds membership which supports questionable Pro-Palestine organizations, Rashid Khalidi’s group AAAN (Arab American Action Network) and their Pro-Palestinian fundraisers which the founder supports the PLO and his blood relationship with Raila Amolo Odinga of the Orange Democratic Movement and his interference with the Kenyan government’s elections.
This will be a glaring indictment of his character and judgment, lack thereof. These connections will be a nightmare for Senator Obama to explain to the American people. Once the flood gates are opened, his campaign will be expiring just as quickly as his media generated “movement” started. I am certainly sure that the Republican Party will of course not hesitate to bring these to the attention of the American people. Would Americans be proud to have the President inviting into the White House these kinds of associations? If a registered Democrat like myself, finds all these nefarious relationships disturbing, then this will not be palpable for Republicans and for those Democrats who are not far left but who are moderate/conservative.

Posted by: teresa | April 17, 2008, 4:49 am 4:49 am

Who cares about all the personal stuff –i need to know how they are going to do their job.
i want personal info if I am going to date them.
So what we got dirt on Obama, Clinton every persident has some dirt! Now that we have imperfections out in the open can we get on with an election

Posted by: Tamar | April 17, 2008, 5:29 am 5:29 am

Looks like Hillary’s being treated like a Republican by the media. I’m sure she just “misspoke”.

Posted by: Brook | April 17, 2008, 7:03 am 7:03 am

Darla, what do you mean this “doesn’t sound like Hillary?” Do you know her well enough to say that? How do you know that she doesn’t feel that way?

Posted by: Chaya | April 17, 2008, 7:05 am 7:05 am

When a husband and wife argue they are liable to say anything. Most married couples don’t have people write books about their disagreements. This is a cheap shot.
Since most of the poor white boys are voting Republican now, it doesn’t really matter, especially since 90% of the black vote is going Obama.
However, it is probably true that both Obama and Hillary have contempt for the small town and rural people that play that awful country music.

Posted by: Lance | April 17, 2008, 7:06 am 7:06 am

Poor black folks have never come up during an argument with my wife.

Posted by: Brook | April 17, 2008, 7:12 am 7:12 am

Shame on you George and Charlie. This is not a debate but a Obama bashing. Again, a modern day lynching.
I will NEVER watch either of your news shows EVER again.
To me you have aligned yourselves with Hillary and are chosing to “throw the kitchen sink” at Obama.
You should take a page from MSNBC on journalism.
After tonight, and things said and done in the past from Bill and Hillary, I think you can forget about the black vote in support of Hillary’s campaign.
Oh, by the way, where is Hillary’s american flag pin? I have not seen Hillary wear a flag pin.
C.

Posted by: ch | April 17, 2008, 7:26 am 7:26 am

WHAT IS THIS LOAD OF CRA! YOU HONESTLY CALL THIS PROFESSINALISM? OBAMA 08!

Posted by: realist | April 17, 2008, 7:48 am 7:48 am

B. Hussein Obama was caught on tape speaking candidly to other liberals in San Francisco last week.
One minute Obama was bowling in Pennsylvania with nice, ordinary people wearing “Beer Hunter” T-shirts, and the next thing you know, he was issuing a report on the psychological traits of normal Americans to rich liberals in San Francisco.
Obama informed the San Francisco plutocrats that these crazy working-class people are so bitter, they actually believe in God! And not just the 12-step meeting, higher power, “as you conceive him or her to be” kind of God. The regular, old-fashioned, almighty sort of “God.”
As Obama put it: “(T)hey get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”
The rich liberals must have nearly fainted at the revelation that the denizens of small towns in Pennsylvania have absolutely no concern for the rich’s ability to acquire servants from Mexico at a reasonable price.

Posted by: ERNIE | April 17, 2008, 7:56 am 7:56 am

And that’s just exactly the kind of president he was, too. If you weren’t doing something for him, he wasn’t about to do anything for you. Quid Pro Quo. And that probably has a l;ot to do with $109Million dollars in ‘earnings’ in the last 7 years. A total sell out of the presidency and Ameirca.

Posted by: Chris | April 17, 2008, 8:12 am 8:12 am

She may have been talking to her ( hubby) but she thinks this way she is a snob ,two faced ,thinks we are nothing but trash under her 250.00 shoes.She speaks well and she will tell you anything you want to hear but God help us if she gets in the White House.I don’t want to work get 500.00 per week and send 250.00 to the government I don’t know about you>>>>>>>

Posted by: honest | April 17, 2008, 8:38 am 8:38 am

So should all Catholics leave the church because of the raping and pillaging of boys by priests? Where was Hilary’s flag pin last night? And why did Bill Clinton pardon the Weather Underground guys? Inquiring minds want to know?

Posted by: shirley | April 17, 2008, 8:41 am 8:41 am

Wait a minute!!! You’re saying Hillary thinks one thing and says another????That would make her a hack who would say or do anything to win.Couldn’t be………..

Posted by: bskahn | April 17, 2008, 8:58 am 8:58 am

For those of you who claim the quote is ‘unbelievable,’ the author had more than one source & the sources have later come out & confirmed what they heard & saw.

Posted by: marie burns | April 17, 2008, 9:01 am 9:01 am

@ CH
“Shame on you George and Charlie. This is not a debate but a Obama bashing. Again, a modern day lynching.”
Ridiculous comments because the Republicans will be a lot harsher on Obama than that debate last night and those comments sound very Wright-esque.
“You should take a page from MSNBC on journalism.”
Everyone knows MSNBC is in the tank for Obama, so that’s a contradiction.

Posted by: John | April 17, 2008, 9:18 am 9:18 am

Clinton lied, people died. Bosnia, Somalia.

Posted by: Fred Sanford | April 17, 2008, 9:21 am 9:21 am

Clinton lied, people died. Bosnia, Somalia.

Posted by: Fred Sanford | April 17, 2008, 9:21 am 9:21 am

I cant believe that americans can get so easily distracted. Here we have the economy virtually on its knees and if something isnt done we are facing really tough times, and our politicians are arguing about why they didnt wear a american flag on their suit. I wouldnt be suprised if there is another debate, the candidaes would be discussing why one of them is not wearing an american flag underwear or panty.
Both candidates didnt give a clear perspective of what they want to do to revive the economy. But who can blame them, the average american person might be jobless and virtually drowning in debt but hIS biggest worry would be the pimple on his/her face.
I want to believe that there are americans out there who really care for their country and that their only reason to elect a candidate would be, to get the best person for the country.
This isnt the Biggest Loser race, where its important for a woman to win it, to prove women are equal to men.
I hope people would focus on real issue and not what someones pastor said etc….America needs a leader who has concrete plans to benefit our country.
IN GOD WE TRUST….. ..

Posted by: simon | April 17, 2008, 9:27 am 9:27 am

Obama’s associations with Farrahkan, Wright, Ayers and Refko should be fully vetted. Obama served on a board with Mr. Ayers in the 1990’s, the Woods Foundation, which was a paid, underlined PAID directorship position. They worked together, attended fundraisers together, Ayers held fundraisers and was a contributor to Obama’s Chicago’s campaign, plus they are neighbors and visited each other quite often. Enough said. This relationship deserves being vetted. What’s the fear?
DON’T FORGET THESE PEOPLE: Wright, Ayers, Sinclair, Farrakhan, the Black Panthers, Rezko, Meeks, Malley, Auchi, Khalidi, McPeaks, Michelle Obama.
Imagine OBAMA and ALL these friends, associates, endorsers, etc., having a Pres.-Elect party?
After a few — Wright could get up and give another, ‘HATE WHITEY AMERICA!’, speech…while Rezko`s trying to sell the White House to the Russians…before Lewis Ayers gets a chance to full-fill his life-long dream of blowing it up…meanwhile, BO and Sinclair renew some bad habits together…as Michele likes to watch…would be quite a party…anyone for crashing it…and you thought the Clintons were bad in the White House…
I’d much rather have the Clintons there. Maybe – and that’s a HUGE maybe – involved in a scandal which doesn’t affect the American people — this is why the media ignores this garbage for what it is and will continue to ignore it as old news. Without the media, Obama can’t use it effectively enough to beat her…which makes her far more electable.
Meanwhile, Hillary’s policies could have us in prosperous times — compare that to BO and Friends…who, quite frankly, may be dangerous to the American people.
McCain’s going to wipe the floor with Obama!
They’ll rip him apart, along with each and every one of those “PEOPLE/GROUPS MENTIONED ABOVE”!!!

Posted by: MYCOUNTRY | April 17, 2008, 9:35 am 9:35 am

I can’t believe we don’t want to really get to know a Presidential contender. Why are we so willing to ignore flagrant intolerance, dishonesty, and moral weakness in a candidate? Yes, Pastor Wright’s bigotry is important in this election year, as is Sen. Clinton’s remarks about southern white men. I think we see a little more of both candidates than is comfortable for those that blindly follow the democrat party.

Posted by: rcr | April 17, 2008, 9:36 am 9:36 am

For those who are disenchanted by the various news services, why not look at Fox news for a fair and balanced look at todays candidates.

Posted by: larry | April 17, 2008, 10:04 am 10:04 am

ABC should be ashame. This was a very boring and inappropriate debate and sad part is you got the same answers as FOX news, CNN, MSNBC and other news stations. This was a complete set up by ABC and the Clintons and I hope it come out soon. No matter what you do and say. Hillary will be going home.

Posted by: DT - Alton, IL | April 17, 2008, 10:22 am 10:22 am

Yes, ABC reported this last October, but did George or Charlie bring this up? No. I will boycott ABC from now on. That was such a lopsided debate.

Posted by: Goldie | April 17, 2008, 10:48 am 10:48 am

I enjoyed the debate – it was fun to watch Hussein Obama stutter his way around every question. You Obama supporters are a joy .. keep posting your support! I don’t support either one of these clowns but it should be obvious (to anyone using half their brain) .. he’s a joke!

Posted by: Fatso Behar | April 17, 2008, 10:52 am 10:52 am

There you go…let this hit the press…. Her true colors are showing. Can we get back to why these people are “running for President”? Can we hear more on the issues and less on the childish “gossip” and “bickering” between the canidates? Everyone is so sick of it.

Posted by: MARK | April 17, 2008, 11:06 am 11:06 am

In the Philadelphia debate, both Hillary and Obama regurgitated their familiar mantra that they would veto the falsely maligned Bush taxcuts which resuscitated the U.S. economy from the inherited Clinton recession; but, which Hillary and Obama say favor only the rich. That tired old populist ploy of “soak the rich”. However , a brief review of IRS statistics related to post-Bush tax cut revenues reveals exactly the opposite. Specifically, the share of individual income taxes paid by the bottom 40% of American taxpayers, as a result of expanded child tax credits and earner income tax credits, was reduced from 0% to a -4%; and, took another ten million low income Americans completely off of the tax roles. That is, a very significant four(4) % decrease. On the other end of the scale, the tax burden on the top 20% of income earners, the so-called rich, increased to a full 85% of the total tax burden. For examples on the lower end of the scale, a Single Individual making 30K paid $8400 in taxes under Clinton; under Bush $4500. A married couple making 60K: under Clinton $16,800, under Bush $9000. So Hillary/Obamaspeak, an economic strategy that left our Nation in a RECESSION on the Clinton’s departure from the White House, would damage the poor more then any other group. One can summarize this quite simply by noting that IF Hillary and Obama’s Marxist philosophies of soaking the rich were valid, Communist societies throughout the world would be exorbitantly wealthy, in lieu of economic basket cases a’ la Castro’s Cuba. The same can be said of their forced plan for Socialized Medicine. A program which is failing miserably in such Nations as Canada and the United Kingdom. Canada, as just one example, is now experiencing a dramatic shortfall in physicians. Greg Neubeck

Posted by: Greg Neubeck | April 17, 2008, 11:12 am 11:12 am

I finally had to turn off this debate after listening to Hillary trying to defend her lies about Bosnia, etc. and hearing what’s his face constantly bombard Obama about not wearing a flag pin EVERY day! It actually made me want to puke! Aren’t the issues of economy and the war and the state the US is in more important than wearing a stupid pin??? *I* am very patriotic but I don’t wear flag pins, flag underwear or carry the flag around on my vehicle. What kind of trash debate was this? Shame on you so called “reporters” for asking such inane questions!

Posted by: Bizzybirdy | April 17, 2008, 11:19 am 11:19 am

After viewing the debate I thought I was watching FOX with Hannity and O’Reily. I believe Sen.Obama handled the situation presidential he didn’t come off annoyed to me. If he would have come off and charged at Clinton he would have come off as the “Angry Black Man” so I appreciate the road he is taking.. the high one. I think many people hate that they can’t get under his skin so people take him as a snob.. kinda ironic

Posted by: Mrs. Stewart | April 17, 2008, 11:33 am 11:33 am

Well, you have to know Hillary is doing something evil at all hours of the day. Even while just standing there she’s “opaque”. Me, I get translucent when I stand around but you just knew she would get opaque.
Seeing the media slam Hillary would be pure comedy if it wasnt so ugly. They are like little kids who can’t put down a favorite toy.

Posted by: me | April 17, 2008, 11:39 am 11:39 am

This is a pathetic piece of news and I will never listen to that Huffington lady again in my life.
First of all this comment has nothing to do with what Obama said or did. This has to do with being betrayed and it is not talking about clinging to guns of religion. It is talking about someone turning his or her back on you, PROVIDING this is TRUE. Is there audio tape or video on this?
Otherwise I DON’T BUY IT.
What a crock and what a crock ABC is!

Posted by: Lilia | April 17, 2008, 11:43 am 11:43 am

Whether she said this or not- she has said ENOUGH to let people know that she is a liar and not as experienced as she claims to be.
Bosnia- LIE
Irish peace process- LIE
Opposition to the war- flip flop/blame game
Health care experience- LIE
NAFTA- LIE
Colombia- LIE that she and Bill made nearly a million dollars from
I mean c’mon, Hillary is a liar through and through. She used to be a Republican and wrote a paper on why Blacks, Mexicans and Jews should NOT have equal rights in college….do you think that she has REALLY changed given all of the lies she tells the public? I don’t.

Posted by: sick of the lies | April 17, 2008, 11:47 am 11:47 am

Debate, you call this a debate. I was asked questions ina debate when I was in the 8th grade. I wanted to know about all the issues, not who their friends are or what religion they belong to. ABC put on a poor debate and I will no longer watch, supposedly intelligent people try to ask questions that don’t pertain to the way they will run the country. This was just a media bashing against both candidates. I take it most are for hilary. don’t make it so obvious. as newsmen, you lost credibility. Do you actually think we all care about the menial things in everybodys life. I can buy a tabloid magazine and get better results. get a grip on the country and the peoples issues.

Posted by: lila | April 17, 2008, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm

the two interviewers were trying to take Obama down but it didn’t work…..Why did George as Clinton about this I mean c’mon, Hillary is a liar through and through. She used to be a Republican and wrote a paper on why Blacks, Mexicans and Jews should NOT have equal rights in college….do you think that she has REALLY changed given all of the lies she tells the public? I don’t.

Posted by: Joe | April 17, 2008, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm

The more the media bashes Hillary, the more I refuse to vote for Obama. Anytime Obama lets his true self slip (i.e., says something racist or elitist), the media falls all over themselves to counter with something Hillary supposedly said or did. I don’t know whom I’m more disgusted with, Obama and his worshippers or the mainstream media.

Posted by: Robbie | April 17, 2008, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm

Hilary Clinton is not an elitist? Screw the lunchbox democrats sounds elitist to me. I seriously doubt that she is out with all the Scranton crowd shooting squirrels for dinner because she is so darn working class. Give me a break – she is a cold lying snake in the grass and if she is nominated John McCain will be our next president. She will eat her words in November!

Posted by: daisy | April 17, 2008, 1:27 pm 1:27 pm

I hope a lot of things change in this country too. We are not headed in the right direction. I hope we get out of Iraq, I hope I can continue to make my mortgage payments, I hope my company doesn’t lay off any more workers, I hope the price of groceries and gas doesn’t go up any more, I hope my kids can get through college, I hope we don’t trash the planet for my grandkids, and I hope that politicians (and the media) start talking to us about things that matter instead of things that don’t.
I’m voting for Barack Obama. I have hope he will change our country for the better. In fact, I’m downright optimistic about it.

Posted by: Marilyn | April 17, 2008, 1:34 pm 1:34 pm

Barack never said “screw em” about poor southerners (are Pennsylvanians southerners??) or anyone!! And, I do not think he feels that way either. I believe he cares a lot about all poor people.

Posted by: Marilyn | April 17, 2008, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm

I just want to say as a lifetime Democrate for 49 years, I have never been so embarrassed to be a Democrate till now. Last nights debate was a total joke. Hillary, ABC, Nutter and Rendell did a good job of setting Senator Obama up. It appeared to me that the debate was not about real issues but instead, an agenda for Hillary’s benefit. It was obvious that she knew what the questions were going to be and that it was decided to ask her about Bosnia once and disregard all of her other lies, mistatments and cheapshots. She has shown the American people exactly who and what she is. I am tired of her nasty self promoting games and more importantly, I am disappointed that the DNC has allowed her to tear the Democratic Party apart. It was so many times last night where Obama could have torn her apart, instead, he in a sense protected her on Bosnia and tried to deal more with the issues the American people are really concerned with. Instead, she took out her dagger and continued to dig. That is not a sign of a fighter or of strength, it’s a sign of sleaziness, desparation and ignorance. Obama is clearly the better candidate. He is morally sound, trustworthy and genuinely concerned about the people. I have donated to his campaign at least twice a month and very proud to do so.
I am tired of listening to politcal analysis twist and turn words around and create massive issues out of nothing! This Primary has stressed me out and I have decided for my own morals and well being, that I will officially resign as a Democrat if Senator Obama is cheated out of the nomination.
I will leave the Hillary circus in November for the rest of you to enjoy and take my chances on the Republican side.
Sadly,
A Democrat on the fence.

Posted by: michelle | April 17, 2008, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm

Why didn’t George and Charlie ask her to explain? Isn’t that a double standard?

Posted by: Azar | April 17, 2008, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm

Hillary`s negatives are skyrocketing, 58% say she is dishonest and untrustworthy. Not hard to understand when you read some of these insane comments by Hillary`s blogging supporters. Irrationally angry and vicious. Reminds me of the angry and vicious Republicans I know. I want no part of what they are offering America. More angry, disfunctional and irrational BS.

Posted by: musician | April 17, 2008, 1:48 pm 1:48 pm

I have been an ABC News fan for 20 years, but I am going to find another network after last night’s debate. What a despicable performance by both moderators… stirring a toxic brew of political nothingness. In the first 50 minutes Gibson and Stephanopouls somehow managed to avoid mentioning global warming, the recession, the housing crisis and the war in Iraq… but instead focused on stupid gotcha issues that only the most easily manipulated voter would care about. How embarrassing to see ABC demean itself and both candidates in this way. It would be good to hear an apology from ABC for their performance last night but I seriously doubt we’ll ever get it.

Posted by: Dean | April 17, 2008, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm

Keeping Michigan and Florida out of the count helps Obama press that case. A recent salon.com article by Sean Wilentz explains why: “Under the existing system, Obama’s current lead in the popular vote would nearly vanish if the results from Michigan and Florida were included in the total and his lead in pledged delegates would melt to almost nothing . . . Add those states’ votes to the totals and take a sober look at Clinton’s popular-vote victories in virtually all other large states, and the electoral dynamic changes.”

Posted by: James from PA | April 17, 2008, 2:31 pm 2:31 pm

With all the recent discussion of elitism last night’s Philadelphia debate showed that the true American elitists are George, Charlie and ABC News. With small town America facing issues of war, health care and economic recession all ABC News felt obligated to talk about were smallish issues such as Rev. Wright and flag pins. It’s really George and Charlie who are saying to small town middle America, “Let them eat cake.”

Posted by: EmEl | April 17, 2008, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm

The Clinton campaign paints Obama as elitist and condescending to small towns? Give me a break! Hillary came to our small town and others in Iowa before the caucuses and told us how important the caucuses were in determining the nominee. She said Iowa caucuses were the grassroots of the process. Once she lost Iowa and other small states, she abruptly changed her message to proclaiming that only the big states (her new elites?) had the important voters and that small states were now irrelevant. I do believe Hillary is the one “looking down” on the voters. Obviously she does not need the vote of this “irrelevant” voter should she win the nomination.

Posted by: Al Bode | April 17, 2008, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm

Democratic candidates for Prez refused to debate on FOX thinking that the so called mainsteam media like ABC News is better, huh? Well, people now know that the most powerful forces in media are Drudge Report, FOX News and the tabloid press. They lead and the rest follow. CNN depends on them, as well as NBC News. Some of us who knew this all along are not surprised. The question is, what took the rest of you so long to know the truth. Yeah, liberal bias!

Posted by: LarrySpeakes | April 17, 2008, 3:01 pm 3:01 pm

Well don’t you think that it time after 40s years to do somethings abpout this, the copst of living is out of this world and I’m not getting any younger, so all the talk need to turn to the walk, give us what we need for our country the way the past good leader have done. All the ideas that the U.S.A. have can still work if we get the evil out of our life, the peoples need the helpof good leader and by God we shall overcome.

Posted by: Jesse C Anderson | April 17, 2008, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm

Any idea how many calls the network received about that travesty of a debate? Last count it was 60,000 calls and over 14,000 emails – overwhelmingly negative and many from Hillary supporters.
Now I understand why the network only allowed 30 seconds of the debate to be covered by other networks.
Nobody won that debate. Least of all the American people.

Posted by: mara | April 17, 2008, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm

For all those people bashing ABC news for Obama’s horrible performance last night(last time I checked I believe Obama answered for himself). Why won’t you hold Barack Obama accountable for what he did, he just had a bad performance, so what it happens get over it. Why are you so bitter, oops I mean angry?! That was a close one.

Posted by: David | April 17, 2008, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm

There are now three witnesses who were there who back up the quote – and they aren’t lowlifes looking for a buck. The full quote is actually worse – she says something like “they don’t do anything for us.”
But even though Bill Clinton has odone bad stuff – if you read the full quote from him and not just this line, it shows that he gets working class Americans and I genuinely believe he cared. Miss Wellesley is another story. Ever been there? Don’t go without your Volvo.

Posted by: mara | April 17, 2008, 3:44 pm 3:44 pm

First, I am an Obama supporter. That said, I hate this digging around in dumpsters for stuff folks said years ago. That’s the stink of politics this year (and maybe all years). We just wanted to hear about the nation’s woes and how our respective candidates would react to those woes. And we ARE bitter — bitter as H E double hockey sticks — over what Bush, Cheney, and the rest of those egomaniacs have done to this nation. I don’t want to bash Clinton. I don’t want Clinton to bash Obama. And I *especially* don’t appreciate ABC News bashing Obama (and Clinton a bit) in that debate fiasco. So Hillary said a nasty back in ’95, and yes, it was not a misspeak but a clearly articulated statement I believe would appall her today. That was 13 years ago, and I believe she’s grown up a lot since then. I believe Obama is a candidate of a lifetime, and have to cast my vote for him.

Posted by: Jon Trott | April 17, 2008, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm

It is easier to come out for Wolfson to LIE about the “SCREW EM” comment than the candidate herself – Hillary the LIAR CLINTON.
That comment is sooooooooooo Her!

Posted by: latinovoter1 | April 17, 2008, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm

MYCOUNTRY,
With supporters like you Hillary & MacCain don’t need enemies!
Obama08

Posted by: Jose | April 17, 2008, 4:25 pm 4:25 pm

Musician,
Have you taken a look at the other blog? You can see how many Obama supporters are very angry about ABC debate lastnight.

Posted by: crisis08 | April 17, 2008, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm

The Clinton campaign DENIES and LIES again about the “Screw ‘em” quote.
Hillary Spokesman Phil Singer insisted that Don Baer and Bruce Reed, other participants in the Camp David 1995 meeting, have no recollection of Clinton making the comment and don’t remember this as reflecting the tone of the meeting. Singer went on to say that if you look at the way Sen. Clinton has lived her life and the policies she’s pursued, it’s clear she’s advocated a progressive agenda aimed at lifting all Americans up.
Benjamin Barber, a noted political scientist and author who was also at the meeting, wrote in his 2001 book that Clinton did say it. As we noted earlier, Barber confirmed to First Read that he heard her make the comment and added that he is a Clinton supporter and donor. FEC data shows Barber donated $1,000 to Clinton’s campaign on Jan. 24.

Posted by: mobird | April 17, 2008, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm

There goes Obama again! He says one thing while his campaign does another.
He is a shrewd politician who for some reason expects to dish it out but not take it.
Last night’s debate just made it crystal clear that Hillary is the better of the two.

Posted by: Evelyn | April 17, 2008, 4:57 pm 4:57 pm

out of all that is going on in the world today,your questions were comical at best. Having George to question Obama was very unfair. ABC has lost 1 of its very loyal viewers. This debate was a joke. We can hardly afford to drive to work and all you guys care about are flag pins. Well flag pins don’t put gas in my tank. STICK TO THE ISSUES!!!!!! ABC should know better

Posted by: Linda | April 17, 2008, 5:03 pm 5:03 pm

Those of you that didn’t like last nights debates, blame the Senator from Illinois. For the first hour, I thought it was an Obama speach. His cut throat attacks went unanswered by Clinton whom has too much class to lower herself to the Obama level. Obama should blame himself fot the first 20 minutes of the debate since it was mostly Obama talking I guess even the Senator from Illinois gets bored about his repetitive same speach that he repeats, and repeats, and repeats, and… Is Obama the energizer bunny? Now he goes not television and all the news networks show him saying tha Clinton took numerous digs. Clinton talking with knowledge must be what the Obama supporters are against.

Posted by: Dr Hubert, Lt Col, USAF Retired | April 17, 2008, 5:07 pm 5:07 pm

David, If you mean me, I’m not bitter. I’m outraged. And I’m not alone – and it’s not just Obama supporters. I think, considering that he was subject to a well planned, deliberate hatchet job he did better than anyone I can remember in American politics. I’m outraged that a network would sponsor a debate and then spend almost a full hour on complete trivia “are you wearing a flag pin”, (why didn’t they ask does it say “made in china” like most do?). I expected fair play – I expected substance. I expected some questions about China, about the renewed violence in the middle east, about health care (which would not have favored Obama, by the way), some real questions about the energy crisis – biofuels are not the answer and everyone knows that. What about how they would deal with the $2 Million Sunni refugees? I expected real questions about real conflicts of interest – Mark Penn in Colombia, Bill Clinton in COlombia, Bill Clinton in CHina, Bill Clinton in Dubai. I would have been happy if they had simply said: explain our position in the middle east, the violence in Basra, and the how the ceasefire was achieved. It would have told us whether the candidates actually understand how complex the situation is. I would have been happy if they asked the candidates to explain what role their spouses will play in their presidency – I don;t want a co-presidency. And if you look anywhere besides one network and one columnist, you’ll find the same sentiments. Everywhere. I agree with the people who say we should go back to the League of Women Voters. They were balanced, intelligent and asked some tough questions – and they weren’t about lapel pins.
I disagree with the pundits, I think the most remarkable point in the debate was when Clinton said she would “was absolutely committed to not raising a single tax on raising taxes on middle class Americans, people making less than $250,000 a year.” $250,000 a year? By what estimation, on what planet, do middle class people make $250,000 a year? When was the last time this woman had an acquaintance who was not a multi-millionaire, a hedge fund manager, a lawyer, or a lobbyist? By most estimates, families making $100,000 or below as middle class. Good Lord. Talk about elitist. Bitter about Obama? Obama came out ahead in this one. Nobody likes hatchet jobs except the real lunatic fringe.

Posted by: mara | April 17, 2008, 6:15 pm 6:15 pm

C’mon people, this room is
acting “brand new”. You ALL know that ALL politicians ARE LIARS.

Posted by: skinny black kid | April 17, 2008, 6:46 pm 6:46 pm

ABC is taking much heat for the questions asked last night. Everybody notice the talking point about first hour being wasted on rumors/non-important info, etc? It’s the same tune, fed by the top to the bottom feeders of outrage. And how dare ABC ask the questions the whole country is talking about?! How dare they? They should have only asked the exact same questions already posed in the other 22 debates. The American People deserve Platitudes, not original thought. We need BackinBarack to have one more chance of saying the same thing. Watching him actually have to think and craft his answers on the spot to tough questions was awkward for him and his supporters. They no likey. They want more hopitude and changiness! The real point to notice was how both candidates couldn’t stop talking about Bush. NewsFlash, kids. He ain’t running for office. Well done, George and Charlie. It was refreshing to watch candidates have to think instead of reciting their normal android responses. But I think you guys missed the memo about not making the BarackOMeter upset. He’s supposed to be the next POTUS, you know.

Posted by: TowTheLine | April 17, 2008, 6:52 pm 6:52 pm

You talk about the underground Who pardoned the worst of the lot????Who back the million man march?????Many more so when the shoe is on the other foot they cry foul>>>> This Ayers carp gee didn’t know of you knew a person you were as bad as they are >>>>Kinda stupid don’t you think???? You can have a friend but not agree with their views.

Posted by: h | April 17, 2008, 7:11 pm 7:11 pm

These two commentators are an embarrassment to ABC news. This country is in trouble and commentators spend 50 minutes asking presidential candidates trivial questions. People are hurting economically and financially. I will not listen to ABC evening news again. Professional commentators should be responsible for debates. A teenager could have asked better questions during the first 50 minutes.

Posted by: H. Echols | April 17, 2008, 7:52 pm 7:52 pm

HAVE YOU EVER HEARD ANY OF THE CONVERSATIONS TAPED BY ACTUAL PRESIDENTS IN THE WHITE HOUSE?..NiXON, JOHNSON FOR EXAMPLE. Their comments and use of slurs and foul language make Hillary’s comment very innocent. Half of this stuff is hear say. I just want the candidates to actually answer questions. I will vote for the person that actually presents what sounds like a viable plan for the economy, healthcare and Iraq. It is ashame that McCain gets to sit back while all this mudslinging gones on and money is wasted. It’s lets see who can buy the presidentcy? I would like also to see more of Mrs. Obama. Where is she along with Mrs. McCain?

Posted by: MILADY98 | April 17, 2008, 8:16 pm 8:16 pm

Shame on ABC

Posted by: Rob | April 17, 2008, 8:31 pm 8:31 pm

Another poster already made this observation but I have to reiterate… what planet is Clinton from? In her discussion of taxes, she vowed not to raise taxes on the middle class — which she defined as those making less than $250K per year. She must be on crack. That is NOT middle-class. Subtract about $150,000 per year. I guess when you have as much money as she does, anyone making only $250K is just making chicken-feed. I wonder if she would be surprised to know what the REST of us really live on…

Posted by: stsw531 | April 17, 2008, 8:47 pm 8:47 pm

We need to learn a lot more about Senator Obama. We need to learn what his real agenda is if he is elected to the White House. We need to learn more about his past. The people you have around you growing up is who you learn from. This is very important part of who each of us are- even Senator Obaman. 20 years of listening to his Pastor & Senator Obama did not ever hear his Pastors’ outrageous remarks on various subjects. We as Americans need to be careful on what we base our opinons on. We all know about everything about Senator Clinton- we need to the as much information about Senator Obama. He is not very forthcoming with personal information- who his friends are. Yes, he is black, grew up in a 1 parent household but not poor. Big deal how many of us grew up this way or worse? Be careful what you wish for.

Posted by: Cathy | April 17, 2008, 8:57 pm 8:57 pm

The inner-tribal warfare of the sparring Dems is ABSOLUTELY DELICIOUS to observe!! The Democratic Party (a.k.a. The Party of Slavery) has vomited up two candidates short on substance, and long on style. In their zeal to present “niche” candidates (ostensibly to appeal to a fragmented constituency), the Democratic Party has created an abomination! It’s a two-headed hydra–Obama/Clinton–presently bent on decapitating one of its heads! It’s excruciating to watch the suicidal/cannibalistic manner in which the Dem candidates comport themselves. Obama and Clinton are like involuntarily conjoined twins, forced to duke it out at some Orwellian “ultimate fighting” forum (the Democratic National Convention), where the last one standing wins the nomination! Unfortunately, the “loser” is left hemorrhaging and flatlining on the sidelines, still attached to its victorious twin; only to be resuscitated long enough to endorse the winner! Because the very foundation on which their philosophy is constructed is fatally flawed, the Democratic Party is disintegrating before our eyes! What a fascinating time to be alive!

Posted by: Califas | April 17, 2008, 11:22 pm 11:22 pm

RIDICULOUS. The media has to equalize Obama’s remarks, so they rumage through the most undependable of sources to bring back their fair-haired front-runner.

Posted by: Jon | April 18, 2008, 12:45 am 12:45 am

‘Screw ‘em’ she said, ‘you don’t owe ‘em a thing, Bill …’
This is a distortion at best and probably an outright lie. Hillary Clinton never called Bill Clinton, ‘Bill’ when I knew them years ago. She always called him by the name that his friends use, ‘Bubba’ not ‘Bill’. If she said it at all, she was acting as a foil for a point Bubba wanted to make, which seems clear from the context. ABC’s deliberate distortion is loathsome and extremely irresponsible.

Posted by: Ross Nicholson | April 18, 2008, 5:04 am 5:04 am

do folks realize bho has dual citizenship with Kenya?
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Oh my God!!! First he shuns the American flag pin and now this??? What is going on here??? Doesn’t anyone check these guys out first?? This proves he is not a real American. I knew there was something fishy about Obama. I am going to send you two flag pins–one for each lapel. Because you ARE a Super American for ferreting out this valuable information before its too late. And we just can’t get enough Super Americans these days.

Posted by: Patrick | April 18, 2008, 6:13 am 6:13 am

ABC’s deliberate distortion is loathsome and extremely irresponsible.
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No, no, this is actually a good thing. Hillary said if we don’t point these things out now then John McCain certainly will. So it is something that needs to be discussed. Hillary said so!

Posted by: Patrick | April 18, 2008, 6:16 am 6:16 am

of course it matters patrick! (and i am sure it would really matter alot if it were hillary. when politicians take office they step down from organizations board’s, as ceo, etc.. so as not to have a conflict of interest. they also put stock and other finances in a blind trust to avoid conflicts.
It would follow that dual citizenship may just be frowned upon when one becomes president, both for conflicts of interest in decision making, and in where alligiances lie. the “annointed one’s” followers may be as short on patriatism as he is and may not appreciate the nuances of a true patriot.

Posted by: pp | April 18, 2008, 6:53 am 6:53 am

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