Apr 27, 2008 10:15pm

Clinton Proposes Debate on the Back of a Flat Bed Truck

ABC News’ Eloise Harper reports: Speaking outside in Wilmington, N.C., Sen. Hillary Clinton reissued her challenge to Sen. Barack Obama, her rival for the Democratic presidential nomination, to join her in a debate –- this time she proposed it be on the back of a flatbed truck.

"I am very very regretful that my opponent will not agree to a debate in North Carolina, because I think these issues are worth debating, and, you know, the other day he turned down the debate that I agreed to here in North Carolina," Clinton said, adding that "20,000 people had already emailed in for tickets there was that much interest.

"So he said no, he wouldn’t do it, and I know his supporters say, well they did like the last debate in Philadelphia, the questions were kind of mean and they were sort of tough," she said. "You know, I’ve got to say, tough questions in a debate is nothing like the tough decisions you’ve got to make in the White House. I think that this state deserves a debate. So here’s what I’m offering. How about this — no moderators just the two of us on a stage for 90 minutes asking each other questions, talking about whatever’s on our minds, just like the Lincoln-Douglas debates, and I think, you know, we could even do it on the back of a flatbed truck, doesn’t even have to be in a fancy studio somewhere. You can tell I’m having so much fun in this campaign."

A crowd of hundreds gathered to hear Clinton speak in front of a river and the USS North Carolina. Clinton spoke about several issues including protecting the homes of soldiers abroad from home foreclosures.

Clinton was scheduled to spend Monday in North Carolina campaigning across the state.

User Comments

Obama is too elitist to sit on the back of a flat-bed truck. It would unnerve his snobby sensibilities. He also couldn’t handle a one-on-one debate without a prepared script displayed on a teleprompter. He knows he’ll lose, AGAIN!
Hillary will work for ALL of us, not just the fortunate few.

Posted by: Emily | April 27, 2008, 10:25 pm 10:25 pm

Typically, frontrunners refuse to debate because they dont have to and because they dont want their opponents to get free publicity. This is politics after all. The question that is being debated among the voters and uncommitted SD’s is: Do we have a frontrunner anymore? The answer for many is no we dont. The race is a deadheat so Obama’s logic is flawed.
While Obama has a 3% lead in delegates, the SD’s and upcoming contests could eliminate that lead. With so many questions unanswered for the voters on many issues ignored by previous debate moderators and questions of character being waged by the voters, a Lincoln-Douglas style debate is exactly what our country and the dem party needs to be able to unite behind the stronger candidate. Voters will not accept less than a fair contest and this style of debate would be the fairest of all. I hope Obama changes his mind for the good of the country and the dem party. It is important that we make progress towards a change in party power.

Posted by: DCVoter | April 27, 2008, 10:31 pm 10:31 pm

Obama might lose his hoop playin’ “street cred” if he sits on the back of a flatbed truck, which is exactly why he hasn’t got any street cred with most of the people in Indiana and North Carolina.
HILLARY, YES WE WILL!

Posted by: Emily | April 27, 2008, 10:32 pm 10:32 pm

“Mud wrestling” may be something Obama is actually good at. He’s slippery enough to win.

Posted by: Emily | April 27, 2008, 10:37 pm 10:37 pm

Maybe Obama would agree to debate at a fabulous mansion, surrounded by the filty rich billionaire democrats, and the cool, left wing media guys like Bill Maher and Anderson Cooper and they could all be drinking really nice California red wine, yeah, then maybe Obama would debate. On the back of a flat bed truck? No way. Too “small town” and “typical white people” for him.
SAY NO TO THE DNC CORONATION OF OBAMA!
TELL THE DNC TO COUNT ALL 50 STATES VOTES!

Posted by: calli | April 27, 2008, 10:38 pm 10:38 pm

Hillary loves this country I don’t think Obama loves it the way Hillary does. All you hear is how much things have to change how could every body have been so happy just eight years ago I want change but I want what I had when the Clintons were in the white house. I think AA are not happy with are country and how do we talk about it with out being called racist.

Posted by: Bishop | April 27, 2008, 10:39 pm 10:39 pm

HILLARY, NO YOU WON’T!
Will she get 67% in the remaining races, no she won’t. And she won’t get the free airtime through a debate. Obama doesn’t need the grief and she’s just plain nasty, so I don’t blame him. BTW, the supers know she’s nasty and bad for the party and has real nasty skeletons in her closet. They are being respectful because she’s a woman, a former first lady, and pretty powerful. But it’s the math. It’s over.

Posted by: Barry | April 27, 2008, 10:39 pm 10:39 pm

Hillary get a life, any life, just get out of mine. It’s over Hillary

Posted by: Thinking | April 27, 2008, 10:42 pm 10:42 pm

DaneNM and DCVOter, if you want to know about Obama’s plans go on his website you will see them and make up you mind. There is no need to debate a mean spirited all lady. Hill the Bosnian General has had her time she has to go back home, the unevitable has become evitable. She is unelecatble. PERIOD. God bless America and God bless Obama. OBAMA08.

Posted by: BKMC | April 27, 2008, 10:51 pm 10:51 pm

“Yes We Will”
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
Enough said…

Posted by: Vanessa | April 27, 2008, 10:51 pm 10:51 pm

We “American people” are sick and tired of debates!! Hillary wants another debate because she trails Obama… We’ve memorized responses to issues that concern our quality of life and the safety of this country, including responses that flip flop on issues. Hillary is pushing the issue because she wants the voters in NC and Indiana to believe that Obama is affraid to her for fear of appearing the weaker candidate. Give me a break! The quality of one’s experience means more to me than the quantity, especially if the experienced was gained in Washington!! The country needs a 21st century leader. Too much experience in Washington is scary, considering the state of affairs under the leadership of past Presidents and other leaders.

Posted by: Proud American | April 27, 2008, 10:53 pm 10:53 pm

anybody inspired by Obama’s empty, filthy
rhetoric??

Posted by: edith | April 27, 2008, 10:54 pm 10:54 pm

She is making waves for she is BROKE and need air time.Lets see first IN and now NC which is it nim rod????
Ones who support her are the only real American|????Honey you are so far from wrong…..This real American supports Obama…..Like it or not he wil be on that ballot.
All the freaken states will count for there are two sets of rules you break them and it is ok.She is one that VOTED FOR this ruling in the first place now she is behind rules have changed …..
Did any of your know she refused debates when running for the senate???NO!!!!!! well she did .Now the shoe is on the other foot she is behind so she is pressing, like go home wench….

Posted by: h | April 27, 2008, 10:57 pm 10:57 pm

for someone who respects the envirnoment
how come he eats steak and chicken so much??

Posted by: rex | April 27, 2008, 10:58 pm 10:58 pm

tomdavie:
I’ve been to every site including electoral-vote. The primaries are simply not good indicators for the general, especially with these two candidates. We haven’t seen Barack take on McCain yet because we’ve been mired in this endless race. The proof is in the past–as voters get to know him, his numbers rise, it’s happened in every state, even PA. He’s picked up 70+ supers to her 5+ since Feb.
She needs 67% JUST TO CATCH UP!, and that’s unlikely. You are right, neither will get to 2024 in the primaries. If they tie the remaining races, she’s going to need twice as many supers to reach 2024.
That’s the math, that’s the reality.
OBAMA08

Posted by: Barry | April 27, 2008, 11:00 pm 11:00 pm

I suppose Obama supporters think his/her President should represent the country by telling foreign leaders to visit a website if they want to know what Obama stands for. Campaign websites are sources of information – they are not indicators of validity, character, or even accurate records – they are sales tools. Voters deserve to see candidates interact with each other while fielding tough questions. Voters deserve to see and hear candidates in action without scripts. Voters deserve to see candidates who are free of political fear. Voters deserve what Clinton proposed. Obama is obviously too scared or too elitist to meet the needs of the voters. His refusal to stand up for himself and show people what he is made of is a clear sign he has no interest in keeping our country safe… he will run and hide when foreign leaders (ally or enemy) do not agree with him or will not pander him.

Posted by: DCVoter | April 27, 2008, 11:01 pm 11:01 pm

Don’t vote for Hillary just kuz “she’s a woman, just like meeeeee!”. That’s a stupid-ass reason to do so.
Obama grew up in a single-parent home, in a not-so-great neighborhood, went to school on a scholarship. Hillary is the elitist. Wake up! He’s been taking the high road for so long in this election. Hopefully, it is a sacrifice worth making. You really think he can’t bitch-slap Hillary if he wants to? Puhh-lease!
You’re done, girl. Go away. Stop being annoying.

Posted by: Gene | April 27, 2008, 11:02 pm 11:02 pm

she can come close and PR is winner take all And you really don’t think FL. or MI are going away And then there is Rev Wright making fun of the way JFK spoke tonight he has some real winners as mentors

Posted by: Bishop | April 27, 2008, 11:04 pm 11:04 pm

IL Obama Lover,
Thanks for sharing the touching and true story about Barack taking the time to chat with a young boy. Can’t wail until this is over, I hope it’s soon!
She’s bringing us all down! She’s a downer! Barack makes me and my wife smile!

Posted by: Barry | April 27, 2008, 11:05 pm 11:05 pm

Clinton REFUSED to debate her opponents in both her senetorial races…siting she would rather talk to voters directly…who is being hypocritical now??

Posted by: lynn | April 27, 2008, 11:05 pm 11:05 pm

Mr. Obama’s negatives seem to
continue to multiply and grow with
no obvious counter argument.
What happened to the almighty campaigner???
Something smells …

Posted by: wilma | April 27, 2008, 11:05 pm 11:05 pm

She does need 67% of the remaining primaries… in order to reach Obama in the popular vote
The delegate count is done, Obama has won the delegate count
The popular vote however she still has a chance
If she loses NC she’s done…she would then need 75%-80% of the remaining primary votes
Impossible
—————————————-
Do you enjoy being an idiot vanessa?
You candidate is unelectable. He hasnt been treated nearly as bad as he would in a general election.
He has made his name off MEDIA HYPE .
You dont know much about math if you think north carolina is going to win the nominaiton for Obama.
Its just another REPUBLICAN STATE he cant win in november, riddled with easy 90% african american racist vote.
No candidate has EVER in the history of the united states once primaries were instituted WON the white house when LOSING all of Califonia, Ohio, Mass, Pennyvannia, Florida, New Jersey.
I mean cmon. The guy LOST by DOUBLE DIGITS every time.
Go look at the evidence and tell me Obama is electable.
http://www.electoral-vote.com/
by the way.
Obama hasnt WON anything. You need 2025 delegates to ‘WIN’ .
I know you are a professional Obama supporter 24 /7.
But you are full of it.

Posted by: tomdavie | April 27, 2008, 11:08 pm 11:08 pm

That’s it… Mr. Obama has
permanently lost my trust and respect..
Go HRC08!! or McCain 08!!!

Posted by: ebony | April 27, 2008, 11:09 pm 11:09 pm

The 67% figure the Obama camp is citing applies ONLY if the courts or the committee do not seat MI and FL delegates AND ONLY IF none of the delegates switch before June 29 (last state convention) which has already happened and will continue AND ONLY IF the SD’s do not switch camps (which is likely) AND ONLY IF the remaining uncommitted SD’s overwhelmingly endorse him (which is not likely) AND ONLY IF the remaining state contest’s delegate proportional allocation is proportional to % of popular vote (which is not necessarily going to happen ie. it didnt happen that way in PA because Clinton won 61 of 67 counties)… try reading the rules and learning how the math really works instead of listening only to any single campaign… it is all available on the DNC website under the rules. Neither candidate can win the nomination based on pledged delegate count as currently projected. There are not even enough uncommitted SD’s to tip the nomination right now for either candidate. Now that the race is a deadheat, Clinton has proven that she has not been defeated by the numbers. Unless there is a backroom deal, a withdrawal, or a multi-ballot convention, neither candidate can be the nominee.

Posted by: DCVoter | April 27, 2008, 11:10 pm 11:10 pm

Obama lovers keep trying to HYPE the fact one candidate is AHEAD means he WINS.
Its not the rules. Its not even close to being the rules.
Obama cant WIN the nomination. He has to make the same suckhole arguement to super delegates.
Obama is going to lose the popular vote. He has lost EVERY major primary and swing state by a wide margin.
No one has EVER won the white house by losing all the primaries Obama has. EVER. Never once.
Your candidate is UNELECTABLE.

Posted by: tomdavie | April 27, 2008, 11:12 pm 11:12 pm

In a web video, Hillary challenges Obama to debate in Oregon. And in the morning press release, her campaign kind of taunts him: “Sen. Obama responded ‘call[ing] Clinton’s challenge ‘an old, Washington game.’ ‘ Since when did debating the issues and giving voters a choice become a ‘game?’ ”
Since she’s bringing it up again, it’s worth remembering again that in 2006, when Hillary was running for the Senate in New York, she and her courtiers repeatedly refused debate requests from her primary opponent, Jonathan Tasini.
So, the answer to her question is that debates became a game when public officials like Clinton became dodging them to avoid answering uncomfortable questions about voting for the war and such to their actual constituents, and then hypocritically embracing them as if they had some surpassing civic virtue when political defeat loomed.
Debates are generally good. But in the age of television, people in Indiana and Oregon have had as much chance as everyone else to see the 20 that have already been held, and doing it again in a TV study that happens to be in Portland doesn’t automatically add anything. Obama’s resistance is purely tactical, but for Hillary — after blowing off NY Democrats in 2006 — to act all worried about Hoosiers and rural Oregonians having their own debate is absurd.
The only constant with Sen. Clinton on this issue is that she constantly operates out of self interest, and is constantly disingenuous about her motives.

Posted by: Bob | April 27, 2008, 11:15 pm 11:15 pm

This idea has already been tried. So this is offered on loan from the internets via obsidian wings:
MR. GIBSON: So we’re going to begin with opening statements, and we had a flip of the coin, and the brief opening statement first from Mr. Lincoln.
LINCOLN: Thank you very much, Charlie and George, and thanks to all in the audience and who are out there. I appear before you today for the purpose of discussing the leading political topics which now agitate the public mind.
We are now far into the fifth year since a policy was initiated with the avowed object, and confident promise, of putting an end to slavery agitation. Under the operation of that policy, that agitation has not only not ceased, but has constantly augmented.
STEPHANOPOULOS: I’m sorry to interrupt, but do you think Mr. Douglas loves America as much you do?
LINCOLN: Sure I do.
STEPHANOPOULOS: But who loves America more?
LINCOLN: I’d prefer to get on with my opening statement George.
STEPHANOPOULOS: If your love for America were eight apples, how many apples would Senator Douglas’s love be?
LINCOLN: Eight.
STEPHANOPOULOS: Proceed.
LINCOLN: In my opinion, slavery will not cease, until a crisis shall have been reached and passed. “A house divided against itself cannot stand.” I believe this government cannot endure permanently half slave and half free.
STEPHANOPOULOS: Excuse me, did an Elijah H. Johnson attend your church?
LINCOLN: When I was a boy in Illinois forty years ago, yes. I think he was a deacon.
STEPHANOPOULOS: Are you aware that he regularly called Kentucky “a land of swine and whores”?
LINCOLN: Sounds right — his ex-wife was from Kentucky.
STEPHANOPOULOS: Why did you remain in the church after hearing those statements?
LINCOLN: I was eight.
DOUGLAS: This is an important question George — it’s an issue that certainly will be raised in the fall.
STEPHANOPOULOS: Do you denounce him?
LINCOLN: I’d like to get back to the divided house if I may.
STEPHANOPOULOS: Do you denounce and reject him?
LINCOLN: If it will make you shut up, yes, I denounce and reject him.
STEPHANOPOULOS: Do you denounce and reject him with sugar on top?
LINCOLN: Yes.
STEPHANOPOULOS: No takesies-backsies?
LINCOLN: Yes.
STEPHANOPOULOS: Whoa, so you would consider a takesie-backsie?
LINCOLN: That’s not what I meant…
DOUGLAS: When I was 11, my grandpappy and I chopped wood and shot bears.
LINCOLN: Ahem, I do not expect the Union to be dissolved — I do not expect the house to fall — but I do expect slavery will cease to be divided. It will become all one thing, or all the other…
STEPHANOPOULOS: Do you love America this much (extending fingers), this much (extending hands slightly), or thiiiiiis much (extending hands broadly)?
LINCOLN: I think we covered this…
GIBSON: If I may interrupt…
LINCOLN: Please.
GIBSON: I noticed, Mr. Lincoln, that your American flag pin was upside down…
LINCOLN: Yes, the wind caught it. Now, as I was saying…
GIBSON: We get questions about this all the time over at Powerline and on Hannity’s talk show. Mr. Douglas has said this is a major vulnerability for you in the fall. So I’ll ask again – do you love America?
LINCOLN: (scowling with a forced smile). Yes.
GIBSON: If your love for America were ice cream, what flavor would it be?
LINCOLN: (pausing with disgust and turning back to camera) Either the opponents of slavery will arrest the further spread of it; or its advocates will push it forward, till it shall become alike lawful in all the States, old as well as new — North as well as South.
DOUGLAS: He didn’t answer the question Charlie. This fall, that question is going to be on the minds of the American public. I’ve proudly stated that my love for America is Very Berry Strawberry.
STEPHANOPOULOS: Let me ask it another way. If Elijah Johnson were chocolate chip cookie dough ice cream, would you eat it? Or would you decline to eat it?
DOUGLAS: Personally, as for me, I would decline to eat it.
LINCOLN (shaking his head): Let any one who doubts, carefully contemplate that now almost complete legal combination — piece of machinery, so to speak — compounded of the Nebraska doctrine, and the Dred Scott decision.
STEPHANOPOULOS: We’ll get to Dred Scott in the second hour, time willing, but I want to get back to the ice cream question. And that’s what we’ll do, after the break.

Posted by: The Commander Guy | April 27, 2008, 11:16 pm 11:16 pm

Bishop, you had me scared there.
First, let this Rev Wright thing go.
Second, PR is not winner take all according to washingtonpost and others”
`Both Brooks and Barone are wrong. Puerto Ricans will vote according to much the same proportional representation rules that govern Democratic party primaries and caucuses in the 50 states. The notion of Puerto Rico being a “winner-take-all” jurisdiction stems from previous presidential primary contests, which were pretty much over by the time the Puerto Ricans got to vote.

Posted by: Barry | April 27, 2008, 11:16 pm 11:16 pm

The Commander Guy – Excellent posting about Stephanopoulos and Gibson.

Posted by: Bob | April 27, 2008, 11:19 pm 11:19 pm

Sure, we can see how much fun you’re having, Hillary. Telling lies IS fun, in your mind. You think we’ve forgotten about the debate that was scheduled in N.C. that you wouldn’t commit to? Then, when it was too late for Senator Obama to change his schedule to suit yours, it’s his fault there wasn’t a debate? Senator Obama’s commitments to speak to and meet with the people in Indiana and N.C., trumps you. It’s not about you anymore, your desperation is very unbecoming.

Posted by: bailey | April 27, 2008, 11:19 pm 11:19 pm

Oh and John McCain may chime up at any moment and say that he knew Stephen Douglas, And …… Hillary Clinton ain’t able to measure up to Douglas

Posted by: The Commander Guy | April 27, 2008, 11:21 pm 11:21 pm

On 2006 only two years ago:
Hillary CLINTON was running for the Senate in New York, she and her courtiers repeatedly refused debate requests from her primary opponent, Jonathan Tasini.

Posted by: Fred from NY | April 27, 2008, 11:22 pm 11:22 pm

People have only had a chance to see moderated debates with questions designed to improve ratings for the profit-making main-stream media. Voters and SD’s deserve as many unmoderated debates as it takes for them to choose a nominee. This is the most important election year in the history of our country. If you dont want to watch the debates you are free to not watch. Senate races are nothing compared to Presidential races in terms of the importance of debates. She was a frontrunner by a huge margin and did what was politically acceptable to her constituents. Obama has never been a frontrunner by a large margin and is therefore not listening to the voters.
This year, each of the debates so far have had an increased number of viewers and every state contest has had record turnout. Voters do want to see and hear more than just speeches and townhalls from the candidates. We need a President who is responsible to the voters, who listens to the voters, who stands up for the voters, and who is not afraid – there are no yellow streaks in the star-spangled banner.

Posted by: mixed-american | April 27, 2008, 11:23 pm 11:23 pm

Hypocrisy
On 2006 only two years ago:
Hillary CLINTON was running for the Senate in New York, she and her courtiers repeatedly refused debate requests from her primary opponent, Jonathan Tasini.

Posted by: Fred from NY | April 27, 2008, 11:25 pm 11:25 pm

tomdavie,
You sir, are the idiot. Leave Vanessa alone. Your numbers and arguments do not work and make no sense.
Losing California and NY in a primary doesn’t mean losing them in the general.
Also, electoral-vote.com actually has Obama looking pretty good. Thanks!
You fool.

Posted by: Barry | April 27, 2008, 11:25 pm 11:25 pm

You debate with a human being who knows the rules of the debate not with a hypocrit Like Hillary Clinton that does not talk about issues and just opens her mouth and lies and lies
This is not a debate.

Posted by: Fred from NY | April 27, 2008, 11:27 pm 11:27 pm

why not on the back of a flatbed? oh i get it obama and his followers prefer an “american idol” kind of set-up with flashing lights, music, and followers fainting in the bleachers.

Posted by: sonia trevino | April 27, 2008, 11:29 pm 11:29 pm

I would rather see debates than a stump speech. I think they should spend more time on debates four one on one debates is not that many.

Posted by: Bishop | April 27, 2008, 11:30 pm 11:30 pm

Either way, Obama loses on this one.
Don’t accept the debate and come off as the weaker candidate. Accept the debate and come off as the weaker candidate when Clinton cleans his clock…again.
This is politics. Get used to it.

Posted by: LOM | April 27, 2008, 11:34 pm 11:34 pm

Obama is a coward.

Posted by: The Commander Guy | April 27, 2008, 11:34 pm 11:34 pm

The entire world awaits your voting for
president and many like myself despair
when we read the comments about Obama,
Maybe it is because we are more objective and we have not be in a voting situation like this but we all think Obama is simply a person who looked like a real answer to Hillary and you must have or should have, seen the light by now.
It is now a everyday occurrance to see
a friend of his now and past who claims
a theology that is straight from
Wright’s thinking and speaking. I could
not even imagine returning to a church
with a man who believes as he does.
Men, like him, has brought the African-
American to feelings of hate and
hardness rather than gain in self-esteem
by doing and it shows in the family
situations.and they need someone to blame, so they blame the typical white person who is just trying to do their best as well. Is is surprising
there has been no progress in taking
responsibility for themselves, but
if they are taught it is best to
blame “GOD DAMN AMERICA” that is
what they will do.
Please, open your eyes, forget the
sweet talk, the I can change the
world crap, he is not a full grown
man yet. He is a man, but has not have
the simplest training or skills to be
a president, can you see the president
saying “can’t I eat my waffle now at a
breafast with Putin or other world
leaders? Please. Why don’t you ask for
shadowing day with President Bush and
see how he does, and if he can handle it
I seriously doubt it. He still has a
childish temperment and it will be seen
more and more as time goes by.
McCain will beat Hillary or Obama in
the end. Don’t blame him for the
behavior of your candidates. They
are doing him a favor with their
childish behavior.

Posted by: carole | April 27, 2008, 11:35 pm 11:35 pm

High five LOM et al

Posted by: DCVoter | April 27, 2008, 11:36 pm 11:36 pm

If you are a democrat you should be very ashamed of yourself – your party is going DOWN with Hillary’s action and all you are doing is promoting those damaging activity.
Republican repeatedly saying Hillary is doing our JOB. She has made our ADs.
Republican are asking their supporter to VOTE for Hillary and they are.
Why do you think they are attacking Obama because Hillary is a weaker candidate and She is easier to destroy. Republican want Hillary to WIN.
Hillary supporter Be ashame of yourself – You are Republican Voice – you and your candidate.

Posted by: Fred from NY | April 27, 2008, 11:36 pm 11:36 pm

Tonight at the NAACP dinner in Detroit, Rev. Wright said he is not divisive. He is “descriptive.” Most Americans do not connect with Wright’s brand of descriptive sermons. I am devastated after 40 years of Americans really trying to make a place for everyone at the table to hear how the derision and sarcasm. Lots of THEY DID THIS and THEY DID THAT. In the meantime, my mom and dad raised the first generation where never a racial slur was spoken. My siblings and I grew up and raised an entire generation of 20-somethings who wouldn’t dream of hurting anyone or not working for social justice for everyone. I just cannot vote for Obama without my candidate Clinton. I don’t think he’s ready. I think those people who think his candidacy is an opportunity to work out generations of unspoken anger have also worked against him.

Posted by: LonghornMama | April 27, 2008, 11:37 pm 11:37 pm

Hey barry you lying PUNK.
No candidate who has EVER lost California,Ohio, Pennysvannia , Florida, Mass, New Jersey primaries has EVER gone on to win the presidency.
NEVER . Ever once.
As for his general election chances?
Obama LOSES to McCain and Hillary is beating him by a pretty noticable margin.
Go check it out yourself.
http://www.electoral-vote.com/
You keep making exuses for your empty suit. But the fact is the fact.
Nobody has ever lost all these primaries then WON the white house.
You cant SPIN that fact.
There is your electability agrument.
There just isnt enough far left liberals to get Obama elected.
BOO HOO. So sad.

Posted by: tomdavie | April 27, 2008, 11:38 pm 11:38 pm

If you are a democrat you should be very ashamed of yourself – your party is going DOWN with Hillary’s action and all you are doing is promoting those damaging activity.
Republican repeatedly saying Hillary is doing our JOB. She has made our ADs.
Republican are asking their supporter to VOTE for Hillary and they are.
Why do you think they are attacking Obama because Hillary is a weaker candidate and She is easier to destroy. Republican want Hillary to WIN.
Hillary supporter Be ashame of yourself – You are Republican Voice – you and your candidate.

Posted by: Fred from NY | April 27, 2008, 11:38 pm 11:38 pm

If you are a democrat you should be very ashamed of yourself – your party is going DOWN with Hillary’s action and all you are doing is promoting those damaging activity.
Republican repeatedly saying Hillary is doing our JOB. She has made our ADs.
Republican are asking their supporter to VOTE for Hillary and they are.
Why do you think they are attacking Obama because Hillary is a weaker candidate and She is easier to destroy. Republican want Hillary to WIN.
Hillary supporter Be ashame of yourself – You are Republican Voice – you and your candidate.

Posted by: Fred from NY | April 27, 2008, 11:39 pm 11:39 pm

Clinton , as phony as the black southern accent she put on and her dodging sniper fire in Bosnia . Totally desperate . Guess what Hill baby , it ain’t gonna work .

Posted by: Ray | April 27, 2008, 11:46 pm 11:46 pm

Anybody reading this needs to refer back to what DCVoter said at the beginning of the thread. He said it very nicely. Frankly, I think Obama is a wimp, and is afraid to debate again because the moderators are starting to rough him up a bit, and he can’t handle the unexpected, he’s too green.
Go Hillary, flat bed pickup, now we’re talking brass tacks!
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Hillary, the only candidate to stand up for all the voters!
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | April 27, 2008, 11:46 pm 11:46 pm

Clinton does not care for democrats to win in GE. She knows she has lost the war and she is trying to make obama to loose the war also.
She is a double agent – she is a republican in the democrat mask. No wonder Republican wants her to WIN

Posted by: Fred from NY | April 27, 2008, 11:46 pm 11:46 pm

I have been reading the blogs for months and finally feel the need to post. The political cowardice of the Bush Administration and the Republican Party are the reason OBL had the guts to launch his 911 attack. Bill Clinton and the Democratic Party kept him at bay. The political cowardice of Obama might lead our enemies to once again believe America is weak and vulnerable. Many lives depend on this election – let’s be sure we dont elect another coward.

Posted by: dragonrider | April 27, 2008, 11:46 pm 11:46 pm

tomdavie — Haven’t you learned by now that the Obama campaign and its supporters can spin ANYTHING? They have the MSM fooled…why not shoot for the American electorate???

Posted by: LOM | April 27, 2008, 11:48 pm 11:48 pm

She’s full of BS, one of “us”…nope, she was on the board of Walmart, one of the worst employers, she and Bill pushed NAFTA, she’s crafty but she’s a liar and if there is a God, and I believe there is, she will be done soon.
BTW, I’m beginning to think that many of the pro-hills on these blogs are republicans serving on operation Chaos…
There can’t be that many suckers in America…

Posted by: Barry | April 27, 2008, 11:53 pm 11:53 pm

ABC News apparently didn’t think any of these issues were very important – and after 21 of these debates, this looks like nothing more than Clinton trying to find a way to grandstand. It’s her own fault that she is no longer the frontrunner – her campaign lied so many times and triangulated so many positions that Clinton could probably debate herself and still leave the audience amazed.
We could have half a dozen debates centered around Clinton’s history of baggage – she doesn’t have the highest negatives in the country for nothing.

Posted by: kevinbgoode | April 27, 2008, 11:53 pm 11:53 pm

Go away Hillary!
Obama 2008!!!

Posted by: josh in seattle | April 27, 2008, 11:54 pm 11:54 pm

I am a WHITE person – I listoned to Wright and every thing he said made an absolute sense. This man is smart and he likes to make the country a better place.
It is sad how the media and you people have made him.
God knows his intention and has seen his good work – he is a man of God and has done tremendous amount of Good work around this country and around the world. Only racist will hate him.
How could you destroy this man service to this country – He was a soldier in Vitnam war – he has fought for this country in the time of war and then he has become a soldier for God helping the disadvantage.
You people – there is a God who will judge you sooner or later – What have you done during your life time – except bashing another people!!!!!

Posted by: Fred from NY | April 27, 2008, 11:54 pm 11:54 pm

Obama is currently “ahead” although he has not clinched this nomination, so there is not winner at this time.
I find it hard to believe that he would call debates a “game” as he is running for POTUS. 10M viewers in the last debate and he is concerned about reaching as many people as possible?
He definitely is about transparency — this time though it is that he stinks at debates and doesn’t want to expose himself for the inexperienced newbie that he is.

Posted by: LOM | April 27, 2008, 11:55 pm 11:55 pm

I know…why don’t we let Clinton debate herself on the bed of a flat-bed truck – and just focus on the “issues” in which she contradicted herself – that would easily fill an entire evening.

Posted by: kevinbgoode | April 27, 2008, 11:55 pm 11:55 pm

I am a WHITE person – I listoned to Wright and every thing he said made an absolute sense. This man is smart and he likes to make the country a better place.
It is sad how the media and you people have made him.
God knows his intention and has seen his good work – he is a man of God and has done tremendous amount of Good work around this country and around the world. Only racist will hate him.
How could you destroy this man service to this country – He was a soldier in Vitnam war – he has fought for this country in the time of war and then he has become a soldier for God helping the disadvantage.
You people – there is a God who will judge you sooner or later – What have you done during your life time – except bashing another people!!!!!

Posted by: Fred from NY | April 27, 2008, 11:56 pm 11:56 pm

“I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base.”
That’s what I call respect for our troops.

Posted by: Barry | April 27, 2008, 11:57 pm 11:57 pm

Barry — That is so lame to bring up the whole “she was on the board of Wal-Mart.” In doing so, you look like the biggest a$$ here. Do you even have a clue what she did as a member of the board there?
Are you voting for McCain or do you love bashing your future Democratic nominee?

Posted by: LOM | April 27, 2008, 11:58 pm 11:58 pm

“And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”
That’s what I call RESPECT for the American people.

Posted by: LOM | April 28, 2008, 12:03 am 12:03 am

Hi LOM,
She served for six years on the board of Walmart, a big box chain that drives out small mom and pop businesses and offers low prices on the backs of their employees by having crappy employee policies.
I’ll be voting for Obama, Hillary won’t be on the ticket.
Snap!

Posted by: Barry | April 28, 2008, 12:06 am 12:06 am

Myth: Clinton has the highest negatives.
Fact: Kerry with his low negatives couldnt beat Bush. Negatives mean nothing when it comes to choosing a candidate apparently… after all half the voters participating in the democratic nomination process support Clinton in spite of the false picture of her (most of the so-called negatives) painted by the RNC machine over the last 29 years. Nice try no cigar.
Myth: She cant win.
Fact: The math supports her contention that she can win. In fact, when Obama was behind prior to ST, he stated “if I can get within 100 delegates, I have a chance”. His surrogates and supporters are worried because they know she has a chance to win too. That is why they want to mute the voice of the voters in MI and FL and the remaining contests… to avoid the possibility of losing.
Myth: Obama is the frontrunner and therefore has won.
Fact: The frontrunner prior to the convention does not get the nomination unless they get at least half the delegate votes AT the convention. Neither candidate can get them prior to the convention. From an SD perspective (as stated in interviews when Obama was behind) to be a frontrunner, a candidate must meet 3 basic criteria: significant lead in delegates, significant lead in popular vote, and proven ability to win key contests needed to win the general election. Neither candidate has all 3 and neither will have all 3 by the time the DNCC convenes. This is the reason SD’s were created and rules for pledged delegates were changed to allow them to switch camps at the convention if needed.
This is a nomination race to select the most electable candidate. All the data is not in yet… let the voters hear from the candidates and let the voters cast their votes in all the contests so we can truly see what the voters want. Then the SD’s will make the decision for the party because that is their job. The party will lose its voter base if they do not seat MI and FL fairly. I have to agree that Obama’s refusal to debate Clinton in a one-on-one debate independent of the media and its pundits is a clear sign he does not stand for all voters much less himself.

Posted by: DCVoter | April 28, 2008, 12:10 am 12:10 am

Gee Barry. And what did she DO while on that board?

Posted by: LOM | April 28, 2008, 12:11 am 12:11 am

It is simply not true that that Hillary needs 67 percent of the vote in the remaining primaries… Dean himself said its a dead heat and after all the wright stuff and rezko etc and this latest story of money laundering THe Deomocrats will not nominate Obama no matter how many votes he gets for the nomination… he will be overturned end of story

Posted by: staniam | April 28, 2008, 12:13 am 12:13 am

HILLARY CLINTON AS PRESIDENT. WHO’LL BE UNDER THE OVAL OFFICE DESK THIS TIME?
SHE LIES LIKE A THIEF, AND JUST LIKE BILL, THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT SHE’LL, HE’LL AND THEY’LL BE DOING IF THEY GET BACK, I REPEAT BACK INTO THE CAPITOL BUILDING.
GO AWAY BUSH AND CLINTON DYNASTIES FOR AT LEAST A GGENERATION!!!!!
MICKEY MOUSE FOR PRESIDENT!

Posted by: FIRST AMERICAN | April 28, 2008, 12:17 am 12:17 am

I imagine that Barry is Googling anything he can find negative about Clinton’s tenure on the Wal-Mart board to show his superior intellect.
Let me save you the trouble. What he would undoubtedly find was that she was largely silent on issues around unionization, but was a champion for issues like increasing diversity for women and minorities, created the first committee to look at the environmental impact of Wal-Mart and pushed them to use more recyclable materials. What she learned during her tenure that they have many policies that she disagreed with and even returned a $5K campaign donation to them.
The fact of the matter is, however, Barry had to look it up AFTER the fact. This is reminiscent of all things Obama: make a statement and then follow up later with a “what I meant to say…”

Posted by: LOM | April 28, 2008, 12:20 am 12:20 am

Obama is simply unelectable. If he was, the superdelegates would have gone over to his column in droves because of his lead in pledged delegates, states won and popular vote. He had his chance to shine and close the deal, but he can’t and the superD’s know this.
Obama is simply unelectable in the general election!!!
Clinton/Edwards 2008!!!

Posted by: LOM | April 28, 2008, 12:24 am 12:24 am

Obama is smart. He will not fall into the trap setup by Hilary who just want the free media coverage since she is running out of money. For the last many months, they have already debate on many issue. We are tired of listening to them repeatedly. For the good of the nation, I believe the new president should not be an old politician, who has so much burden with their interest groups. He should be a president for change, and he is Obama!

Posted by: mampang | April 28, 2008, 12:26 am 12:26 am

LOM,
I’m familiar with Walmart’s greening policies. I’m familiar with Hillary’s support of women and minorities. I’m not impressed. And your tone sucks, and your candidate is a self serving liar without a soul. That’s what it takes to say, not once or twice, but four times:
`”I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base.”
The troops LOVE Hillary!

Posted by: Barry | April 28, 2008, 12:27 am 12:27 am

Lom
yes it does seem like Obama likes following the white house playbook … they have always backtracked on things they are called on… and Hillary is the most electable … we might as well shake that out now while Wright and the Obama camp are busy playing the elite/racist card which ever day it is!

Posted by: staniam | April 28, 2008, 12:30 am 12:30 am

If Obama nominated, I m joining a doomsday cult.

Posted by: Don | April 28, 2008, 12:31 am 12:31 am

That is why they want to mute the voice of the voters in MI and FL and the remaining contests… to avoid the possibility of losing.
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The legislatures of the states of Florida and Michigan are the ones who “muted” the voters. Hillary agreed with those rules, too. Well, that is, until she decided to disagree with them…

Posted by: kevinbgoode | April 28, 2008, 12:32 am 12:32 am

I agree with mampang.
After the ABC ambush, one can’t blame Obama for taking a pass on her challenge to debate. To accept gives her power, makes it look like she has more than she does. He’s smart to put take a pass, maybe later is what he’s suggested.
I’m impressed by the class he’s shown by not attacking her when he’s had the chance. He’s above that kind of politics, he’s walking the talk. He’s taken someone with all that political capital and name recognition and risen above it and captured more delegates.
I cannot wait to see his name on the ballot in November!

Posted by: Barry | April 28, 2008, 12:34 am 12:34 am

He Rupert:
Rev. Moon is a major conservative operative. The Bush family regularly mingles with members of his cult. His cult claims he is the Second Messiah. He contributes a lot of money to rightwing candidates.
No spin necessary.

Posted by: kevinbgoode | April 28, 2008, 12:35 am 12:35 am

Obama has never had a real primary or general election challenge.
Look at the photos of Obama in IN. he is alone on stage far away from the crowd. Clinton is always in the thick of people even though she is not the extrovert Obama is supposed to be.
Clinton will not quit. People in North Caroline, please remember Jimmy Valvano. Did he and the NC State Wolfpack quit in 1983? If superdelegates wan tot support Obama they will have to vote for him in Denver, not merely “pledge”.

Posted by: GEEVILL | April 28, 2008, 12:35 am 12:35 am

The legislatures of the states of Florida and Michigan are the ones who “muted” the voters. Hillary agreed with those rules, too. Well, that is, until she decided to disagree with them…
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Well Dean is in the process of overturning his own rulingg that Mi and Fl cant be counted thats what he meant by saying the race is essentially tied and why the SD have not endorsed Obama

Posted by: staniam | April 28, 2008, 12:35 am 12:35 am

Clinton REFUSED to debate her opponents in both her senetorial races…siting she would rather talk to voters directly…who is being hypocritical now??
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That’s why she should just debate herself – she’s flipflopped so much that she could debate her own issues and take up plenty of time.

Posted by: kevinbgoode | April 28, 2008, 12:36 am 12:36 am

Barry
Obamas name will not be on the ballot in Nov get over it!

Posted by: staniam | April 28, 2008, 12:37 am 12:37 am

Latest Polls:
Democratic Presidential Nomination TIE
Gallup Tracking Obama 47, Clinton 47
“These results, based on April 24-26 polling, are the second report in which all interviews have been conducted after Clinton’s Tuesday Pennsylvania primary win, and suggest that Democratic voters are — for the moment at least — divided right down the middle as to which candidate they most want to represent their party in November’s general election. Obama led the race for a number of days prior to Pennsylvania. Clinton has now erased his lead, but so far has not been able to translate her primary win — and the subsequent media coverage of her “never say die” campaigning — into a lead of her own. The close nature of the race at this point gives even more importance to the outcome of the North Carolina and Indiana primaries on May 6…
…Clinton maintains her slight 47% to 44% advantage over John McCain in general election preferences among national registered voters in the latest April 22-26 results. Obama and McCain are tied at 45% each. — Frank Newport”
Obama has no political standing to refuse the debate and is cheating the voters as a result. I agree with LOM that Obama loses either way on this issue. He is taking the political risk that things can change for him after NC and IN of course. Clinton is way more transparent – at least she continues to make herself available to the press, the voters, and stands for all of us.

Posted by: DCVoter | April 28, 2008, 12:38 am 12:38 am

If I write in Barack Hussien Obama will it count?
What about Barry Soetoro?

Posted by: geevill | April 28, 2008, 12:39 am 12:39 am

Look at the photos of Obama in IN. he is alone on stage far away from the crowd. Clinton is always in the thick of people even though she is not the extrovert Obama is supposed to be.
_______________________________________
When you can’t get more than 300 or 400 to show, you set up the shot to make it look crowded.
When you’ve got 35,000 in attendance, there needs to be some space.
Obama-rama!

Posted by: Barry | April 28, 2008, 12:40 am 12:40 am

DCVoter
I was in Asheville NC thursday and was two feet away from Sen Clinton when she was shaking hands…. she and all the Clintons are more accessible even Michelle O today was way up on a stage far from the public..Clinton said she will criss-cross our state till Primary day….

Posted by: staniam | April 28, 2008, 12:43 am 12:43 am

kevin you have no clue about the senate race you are referring to… Clinton won those races and was well ahead in those races by 67%… this race is tied and Clinton recognizes there is a need and listens to the voters… most want and keep watching the debates… i suspect (based on your posts) that you are a McCain supporter stirring up trouble anyway… you should try spinning something relevant instead

Posted by: mixed-american | April 28, 2008, 12:45 am 12:45 am

Barry
Obama hasnt had 30-40 thosuand since the PA primary and CLintons crowds are increasing Obama is passe now

Posted by: staniam | April 28, 2008, 12:46 am 12:46 am

Debating in the back of a pickup truck
got Bill through puberty. He bragged
about it in 1992(wink, wink). Go, Hillary, go! Take us back to that
Camelot of politics…..Sir Lanny
Davis is ready to serve the Round Table
as court jester. Larry “the King” King
will wear his armored Dem suspenders.
Wolf will Blitz for the noble cause…
Sir Matthews will adorate Rendell-of
the-Realm….and I will turn off the TV.

Posted by: cine-motif | April 28, 2008, 12:48 am 12:48 am

staniam et al – many of us are behind her and her support is growing… keep up the good work!

Posted by: DCVoter | April 28, 2008, 12:48 am 12:48 am

Mixed-american
Exactly right Clintons “tested,ready” narrative is playing out as we speak..even though the Obamabots made fun of it

Posted by: staniam | April 28, 2008, 12:49 am 12:49 am

New Years Day, 2007, Clinton conversation by phone:
Hillary: Bill, do you think I can win?
Bill: Are you kidding me? You’ve got 100+ superdelegates endorsing you and nobody has even voted yet. How could anyone catch up to that?!
Hillary: Yes, and we have all those favors owed us and all that dirt on anyone that crosses us.
Bill: Who could possibly challenge you?
Hillary: What about that Obama guy?
Bill: ARE YOU KIDDING ME? With “Hussein” as a middle name, and “Obama”, you know, like “Osama”, come on Hill, get real!
Hillary: You’re right, how silly!

Posted by: Barry | April 28, 2008, 12:49 am 12:49 am

DC
I agree … I believe her when she says she would not be gettign up at 4am and staying up till 1:00am if she didnt think she could win .. I just noticed that ABC had these live blogs after the debate the other week.. if I had participated earlier Obama may not have gotten so much traction:/

Posted by: staniam | April 28, 2008, 12:52 am 12:52 am

staniam – let’s not forget Michelle recently staged her audiences before appearing stating there was a need for more whit folks in the background as Obama’s campaign folks reseated people… from politico:
“From the account in Carnegie Mellon’s paper, the Tartan, of a Michelle Obama event in Pittsburgh:
While the crowd was indeed diverse, some students at the event questioned the practices of Mrs. Obama’s event coordinators, who handpicked the crowd sitting behind Mrs. Obama.
The Tartan’s correspondents observed one event coordinator say to another, “Get me more white people, we need more white people.” To an Asian girl sitting in the back row, one coordinator said, “We’re moving you, sorry. It’s going to look so pretty, though.”
“I didn’t know they would say, ‘We need a white person here,’ ” said attendee and senior psychology major Shayna Watson, who sat in the crowd behind Mrs. Obama. “I understood they would want a show of diversity, but to pick up people and to reseat them, I didn’t know it would be so outright.”
I’m not sure there’s any real reason for outrage here; every campaign, at least implicitly, includes race in the staging of events like this — even a campaign whose supporters chant “race doesn’t matter.” But they don’t usually get caught doing it this explicitly.
And (if you didn’t pick it up from the bowling) it does give you a sense of the community Obama’s trying to reach in Pennsylvania: whitefolks.”

Posted by: DCVoter | April 28, 2008, 12:53 am 12:53 am

DCVoter
Bingo! yea remember in January when Hillary was getting chelsa to fetch chairs for the people in Iowa because the event wasnt that large etc..this is abosolutely like a closed Bush event from 2000 or 2004! and alas! Obama esplained away his bowling a 37 by saying he let a 7 and 10 yr old bowl two frames… whats with the young kids he keeps bringing up:)

Posted by: staniam | April 28, 2008, 12:58 am 12:58 am

If you’re black running for president in this country, yes, you have to reach white folks….This surprises you DCVoter?

Posted by: Barry | April 28, 2008, 1:01 am 1:01 am

and in asheville,NC on thursday Hillary couldve spoke to a crowed in the basketball arena but chose the auditorium under recommendation of secret service and she spoke to 5000 people outside on the street after speaking to 6000 inside at the event!

Posted by: staniam | April 28, 2008, 1:02 am 1:02 am

yea barry .. funny the white folks hes reaching are like the blue bloods in SF that got him in trouble the other week!

Posted by: staniam | April 28, 2008, 1:04 am 1:04 am

Obama isnt black he just wants to be for political benefit. He is bi-racial and ashamed of his white heritage per his own book. Michelle is a black separatist per her own thesis. Both attend a church and expose their children to black separatism by choice. The way to win the support of all races is to represent and treat all races the same. His actions, her actions, and his campaign’s actions along with the “race doesnt matter” theme are in direct conflict when they get caught staging audiences instead of winning the support of voters honestly. An esteemed colleague told me in last year that if the black voting bloc disproportionally supported Obama given all the humanitarian work done by Clinton and Edwards that race would enter the nomination contest. Shortly after, Michelle made her “black America will wake up” speech before Iowa and the race baiting began. The Obama campaign is not trying to “win” the support of white voters – it is trying to decieve all voters – including white voters.

Posted by: DCVoter | April 28, 2008, 1:10 am 1:10 am

Now she is being totally ridiculous. Debate from back of a truck? Give me a break. Get a life you people.
Her Achillian heel is foreign policy. She voted for war and she threatens to obliterate Iran. A country of 75,000,000 million people with many of their young being pro-US! Let alone all the innocent children.
What a wacko.
She is too dangerous to have her finger on the button. She lies too much. She holds her finger to the wind too much. She has no principle except the direction of wind. Obama or McCain. No Hillary. Period.

Posted by: Adam | April 28, 2008, 1:13 am 1:13 am

The worst thing a person can do is be ashamed of their heritage. We are a nation of immigrants comprised of many races. Our diversity surpasses that of any nation. Yet, a person who claims to be ashamed of his heritage in his book, says the white man and the black man can only come together through Islam in his book, then joins a black separatist church to be more in touch with being black (no surprise this was at a time he became a politician), is touted as being “groomed” by a supporter of terrorism and a black separatist (Farrakhan), and then claim to be of international race when it became politically expedient (that hurt him so he became black again)… sorry, as a mixed-american he is not fooling me and apparently not fooling most of the country anymore… in this campaign alone he got caught pandering to the rich, staging audiences, insulting the poor and middle class, insulting white people, lied about his income being middle class as he delayed the release of his 4.2 million dollar income for 2007, and so much more… he has a weak character and is showing his weakness in refusing to debate… again his judgment is flawed even though that is what he asked us to judge him on… the WH is no place for him to work on his personal demons at the expense of human lives.

Posted by: mixed-american | April 28, 2008, 1:28 am 1:28 am

Adam…Its “achilles heel” and DC voter you are right again

Posted by: staniam | April 28, 2008, 1:30 am 1:30 am

exactly… hes jsut a democratic Bush where else would learn to pander like that because the serious candidate shamed you into it!

Posted by: staniam | April 28, 2008, 1:33 am 1:33 am

What she regrets is not being able to get any ‘gotcha’ time on national TV.

Posted by: Louis | April 28, 2008, 1:37 am 1:37 am

goodnight staniam et al!

Posted by: mixed-american | April 28, 2008, 1:40 am 1:40 am

WestCoastMessenger,
First of all, you are very confusing. I remember reading that you switched to Obama side and now you are back to Clinton side?
Second, DCVoter is an old white woman who lives in a trailer park. Look at her difficulty in pretending to speak like an educated person but couldn’t fool anyone. Simply pathetic.
I will vote anyone that our Democratic party nominates. But DCVoter is doing a dis-service because others are going to think that the Clinton supporters are all low class like that. And you? You need to make up your mind.

Posted by: Jason | April 28, 2008, 1:41 am 1:41 am

Louis
NO matter who says it … it is now gotcha time for Obama cause he keeps coming up with a scandal he cant explain every day

Posted by: staniam | April 28, 2008, 1:43 am 1:43 am

Hillary is more like Bush, obviously, on matters of attacking Iraq, or using cluster bombs:
“In an extreme situation, the commander must be able to use all options to shape the battlefield to protect our forces and those allied with us,” Republican senator Ted Stevens said at the time.
“Restricting the deployment of cluster munitions could severely hinder aviation and artillery capabilities and reduce the commander’s capability to wage war successfully,” he added.
Obama voted in favor of limiting use of the bombs, while Clinton and 69 other senators opposed the spending limits, defeating the proposal.
Please vote for Obama in November, if not in the primaries.
Obama08

Posted by: Barry | April 28, 2008, 1:43 am 1:43 am

Clinton supporters are not low class they are middle class and Obama will be more of the the same as Bush.. given his track record

Posted by: staniam | April 28, 2008, 1:45 am 1:45 am

I’ll take MIckey Mouse over Obama any time…
but I’d really rather cast my vote for
H I L L A R Y ;-)

Posted by: eyes extremely wide open | April 28, 2008, 1:46 am 1:46 am

the war issue is overwith that is so ’60s CLinton had every right to say that about Iran…. and Obama has as much stock in the military industrial complex as clinton does

Posted by: Staniam | April 28, 2008, 1:47 am 1:47 am

Hillary said, “…we could even do it on the back of a flatbed truck”.
I literally threw up when I realized that she was propositioning Obama.
Oh give me a break you botox-filled stiff face. Obama’s wife is youthful and beautiful. He does not need your fat ass, or even hear your naseating proposition.

Posted by: Jean | April 28, 2008, 1:49 am 1:49 am

That Jason guy is posting trash under my name. Just ignore him. I supported Obama but I do not insult other people like that. That is just down-wright wrong. Heck, I dont even support Obama anymore now that the truth is comin out!

Posted by: Jason | April 28, 2008, 1:50 am 1:50 am

Jean
yea youthfull,beautifull and so angry her face is about to break off!!!!! Obama is donr at this point!

Posted by: staniam | April 28, 2008, 1:52 am 1:52 am

Ha ha ha. No kidding. Jason, do you think you own the name Jason? When I see other ladies posts as Jean, I don’t throw a fit. Sorry. Jason is a common man’s name. We have 6 Jasons in a 17 people class. Are you going to throw a fit if you were 1 of the 6 Jasons?

Posted by: Jean | April 28, 2008, 1:53 am 1:53 am

yea just a 1 pt win for Clinton or even a half a point and its back to IL for Obama! the tide is turning!

Posted by: Stanam | April 28, 2008, 1:54 am 1:54 am

Jean – his wife looks like the wicked witch with her nasty expressions and knarly bent claw fingers she speaks with as she chews out the voters with her threats… but hey she aint runnin for office… the prez race has nothing to do with looks… neither candidate is a model type for sure but that doesnt really matter. As for your claim, even I am not stupid enough to think Clinton came on to Obama!

Posted by: Jason | April 28, 2008, 1:54 am 1:54 am

In all fairness, this is the EXACT quote from Hillary, “we could even do it on the back of a flatbed truck”.
No more, no less, according to the news. Jean didn’t exaggerate or anything.

Posted by: Jim | April 28, 2008, 1:57 am 1:57 am

Jason, you are an idiot. How dare you slam WCM and DC. These guys have been on these posts and talk of nothing but intelligence. They are true Dems who want nothing but the best for our country. They, like me, are sick and tired of the way things are. And, we don’t want Obama, with no experience, and lack of judgement to run our great country. Don’t pick on my guys who like Hillary!!!!

Posted by: carla sue | April 28, 2008, 1:58 am 1:58 am

For those who dont know how to use the scrollbar:
“Speaking outside in Wilmington, N.C., Sen. Hillary Clinton reissued her challenge to Sen. Barack Obama, her rival for the Democratic presidential nomination, to join her in a debate –- this time she proposed it be on the back of a flatbed truck.”
Man, you guys are obviously taking lessons from the Obama camp. I remember how they taught us to post out of context but now that I dont work for that camp anymore I can spot it a mile away! I regret supporting him and hope the SD’s get down and do their job sheesh!

Posted by: Jason | April 28, 2008, 2:02 am 2:02 am

It is true that registered dems have voted overwhelmingly for CLinton… if it werent for the caucuses and open primaries that allowed Independants and republicans to wreak havoc Clinton would be way ahead.. but wait if you count Fl she is lol

Posted by: staniam | April 28, 2008, 2:04 am 2:04 am

Wow. Looks like I can make 5 enemies in 1 minute here. Where do I start?
First, Jason, sorry, but my name is Jason and I have never posted other than Jason. I will not change my name for you or any other Jason, it is my legitimate name, as I trust it is yours.
Carla Sue, you do not need to post your comments twice. It does not make it any more legit. I smeared no body. I read before that WCM switched side, I asked him to clarify, anything wrong with that? He couldn’t clarify, why? Also, how did I smear DCVoter? WCM call DCVoter a “he” so I informed him that DCVoter is an old white woman living in a trailer park. Which part to you is degrading? Old? White? Woman? Living in trailer park? Do you know how many millions fit in that description? Why is it degrading? You are a biased person and really need to get your head examined why you have the right judge how other people want to live their lives.

Posted by: Jason | April 28, 2008, 2:05 am 2:05 am

there you go even former Obama operatives are waking up to Hillary…can you say con solation prize for Obamaboy…. not VEEP Sec of state so he can get lessons in diplomacy!

Posted by: staniam | April 28, 2008, 2:07 am 2:07 am

i think it shows obama in poor light when he denies his following the fun of a debate!

Posted by: questioner | April 28, 2008, 2:09 am 2:09 am

Barack Obama will be the nominee.

Posted by: Jason | April 28, 2008, 2:10 am 2:10 am

Jason, I accidentally posted twice. Sorry about that. But don’t make fun of the people who I admire and respect, such as WCM and DC. These people have true intelligence, dignity and class. They are true dems. As I am.
Jason, I am a middle class, lunch-box toting single mother who has been at the list of the poorest of the poor. I worked my way up to where I am on my own, no thanks to any frickin republican ever. Do not insult me, I will smack you in the butt with my tool box.

Posted by: carla sue | April 28, 2008, 2:10 am 2:10 am

Senator Obama’s time will be more well spent meeting the people, another debate can’t help and will only take him off his game plan. He might call for one after May 6th, but it will be on his terms, as it should be since he’s the clear front runner. Thank you very much.

Posted by: Barry | April 28, 2008, 2:13 am 2:13 am

Jason
Obama might be the nominee on paper but he cannot overcome all these scandals the superdelegates will over turn it and they are jsutified in doing so!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: staniam | April 28, 2008, 2:13 am 2:13 am

Good for you, Carla Sue.
And if you bust it bopping the heads of Obama followers with mean mouths and small minds, I have a spare you can borrow.

Posted by: questioner | April 28, 2008, 2:16 am 2:16 am

Scandals? For every Obama scandal there’s five or ten waiting to be aired on the Clinton side. But even if you disagree on that point, How do you explain the logic behind Republicans’ assisting her through Limbaugh and others? It really seems that they want to go against her and not Obama. Or do you think that’s a myth?

Posted by: Jason | April 28, 2008, 2:18 am 2:18 am

I have to agree with Jason–there has to be a reason that Repubs want to face Hillary more than Obama. I think the “bitter” comment was a gaff, but the Boznia flap was a lie. There are connections the Clintons have that haven’t yet come to light, I suspect that the Republicans are sitting on a lot of ammo…

Posted by: Barry | April 28, 2008, 2:20 am 2:20 am

Maybe the chickens are coming home to roost for Obama?
I can’t wait for the DNC to implode, the RNC is next. Maybe intelligence, logic, and rationalism will rule the day, instead of feelings, pandering, and political BS. A boy can dream, can’t he?

Posted by: josh | April 28, 2008, 2:25 am 2:25 am

its the other way around they said they would rather face Obama now … you are smallmided people but how else can elitists get through the ivy league but by depending on their parents money and not learning anything!

Posted by: staniam | April 28, 2008, 2:25 am 2:25 am

Jason, apology accepted. However, please take a look at the facts and what has happened over the last couple of months with Obama. The truth has finally surfaced courtesy of the media, and people are turned off. He cannot conduct a speech without looking to the left, then looking to the right, from the help of the teleprompters. What the heck is he going to do in a debate when push comes to shove. He cannot even look the camera straight in the eye. And we are all sick and tired of this wright scandal. He is the demise of Obama, along with himself, and his politically incorrect wife. Thank you.

Posted by: carla sue | April 28, 2008, 2:26 am 2:26 am

Okay I didn’t write that Obama will be nominated or Carla Sue can hit my butt stuff.
I thought the other screaming Jason is for Hillary. Did he just change side?
I guess I will sign off tonight. Remember people, no discrimination against old white women living in trailer park like DCVoter. It is only pathetic when they consider it degrading and start pretending to be someone else. That’s just wrong.
Good night people.

Posted by: Jason | April 28, 2008, 2:26 am 2:26 am

I do not understand why Senator Obama is falling for Clinton’s tactics all the time: The issue of debate is distracting him from the people’s issues, while she addresses the issues that go to the heart of the matter.
What’s wrong with Obama? Forget the debate issue. Hilary only wants a chance to capitalise on the massive crowds that he draws to use the opportunity to enage in gutter sniping. Get a grip Obama and move on with the issues

Posted by: exatlantic | April 28, 2008, 2:29 am 2:29 am

Funny, nobody ever seems to mention the fact that any of the unpledged delegates can change their mind after they have declared, all the way up to the convention. So really, all of this talk ot delegate counts could have already changed drastically and no one would even know yet! Either candidate can still win this race.

Posted by: Annaq | April 28, 2008, 2:32 am 2:32 am

Carla sue
Thats “Wright”(I agree with you)And the good rev was on CNN tonight adding more fodder to the controversy.. whether now or in the GE Obama will be defeated because of it I vote for the former!

Posted by: staniam | April 28, 2008, 2:33 am 2:33 am

Carla Sue,
I agree that Obama stammers a bit and isn’t that comfortable in the debate format, but he had really improved over time until that ABC “debate” in PA, when (you have to admit) the first hour dealt with “scandals” that had already been over-aired in the media. Questions like, “is your pastor patriotic?” simply offend one’s intelligence. I noticed that Hillary fanned the flames a bit, while when he had the chance to push the Bosnia question he let it go. I’ve seen him speak before congress and in other venues, and he’s exceptionally concise and clear.
I think the media has been playing one against the other in an attempt to keep it a close race and get good ratings. I don’t really think Michelle’s comments have been any more or less damaging than Bill’s and I don’t think that the Wright or Ayers business is any more or less severe than the Clinton’s connections.
I believe Barack Obama is at least as trustworthy as Hillary Clinton, and I’d like to see some fresh blood in the white house.
Of course I could be wrong, but I hope for all of us that I’m right. Thanks for having a civil tone and let’s get it together once this primary is settled, however it turns out!
Deal?

Posted by: Jason | April 28, 2008, 2:35 am 2:35 am

exatlantic
the whole thing is… that the SNL cartoon skit that was done about Obama calling Hillary at 3:00am scared out of his mind is what would happen he has know idea what to do in any situation iof its not scripted or staged

Posted by: staniam | April 28, 2008, 2:35 am 2:35 am

Staniam,
Thanks for the support. The great rev. has been exposed in more ways than one. However, Obama has chosen to stand by him, rattso, ayers, the nbpp and the other extremists that hurt our party. I believe in freedom of speech, the right to bear arms, etc, but I won’t excuse someone who criticizes an American that is religious, and owns a gun. That would include me. I resent his comments he made toward PA voters. The rest of the country I think has taken notice. This guy is a facade.

Posted by: carla sue | April 28, 2008, 2:38 am 2:38 am

For you guys claiming to be single mothers, low income, etc. I have a question. Do you think that you are entitled to be given handout that the government gets from the rich people for you?
Especially Carla Sue. You said you worked your way up. Say you work your way up all the way to be a millionaire soon. Do you enjoy being branded as filthy rich and taxed heavily so another single mother can be given more food stamps per month?

Posted by: Jim | April 28, 2008, 2:38 am 2:38 am

annaq
thats what Ive been saying for days on the blogs that the Obama delegates are only obligated to vote for Obama on the first ballot and neither one can win on the first ballot at the convention… I guess the Obama people didnt know their political science thank god for my annoying Poly sci proff 14 yrs ago lol

Posted by: staniam | April 28, 2008, 2:39 am 2:39 am

Jim,
Great points. People like Carla Sue just want handout. What they need, is acquiring skills and earn more, except voting in a government that will GIVE them more.
Handout is no way of living your life. Find your dignity and live fully your life.

Posted by: Jean | April 28, 2008, 2:42 am 2:42 am

Jim,
Great points. People like Carla Sue just want handout. What they need, is acquiring skills and earn more, except voting in a government that will GIVE them more.
Handout is no way of living your life. Find your dignity and live fully your life.

Posted by: Jean | April 28, 2008, 2:43 am 2:43 am

Cala sue.. its good that people can rationalized what this guy is actually doing… I believe people have their second amendment rights but what ticked me off about the bitter comments was that he said we cling to religion and antipathy of peopel who arent like them.. isnt that really a fruedian slip isnt he describing himself ?

Posted by: staniam | April 28, 2008, 2:44 am 2:44 am

Hi Jason. Thanks for the extension of the handshake. I am all for it. But me, like you, are passionate for our candidates. I truly believe the media held out the stories on Obama and slaughtered Hillary from the get. Jason, I want a democrat to take back the WH. I am sick of putting half my paycheck into the gas tank, and eating roman noodles, cheese sandwiches, and potato chips for dinner. I cannot tell you the last time I had a steak. Steak, what is that??? I guess it is something only the republicans know about. Have a good nite.

Posted by: carla sue | April 28, 2008, 2:44 am 2:44 am

Carla Sue, Let’s agree to disagree on these things. Here’s to a better tomorrow and a fairer world, post-Bush.
Goodnight.

Posted by: Jason | April 28, 2008, 2:47 am 2:47 am

carla sue,
I am offended by your greedy talk and I especially don’t like your descrption of fat dripping out of your mouth eating a steak. Killing is wrong! Not eating meat is cultivating good karma and you are dissing it. I am truly disgusted.

Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | April 28, 2008, 2:47 am 2:47 am

Ha ha ha ha ha. Carla Sue thought Democratic party will give her a steak. Carla, the Clintons were in the white house 1993-2001. Did you receive steak from them?

Posted by: Jean | April 28, 2008, 2:49 am 2:49 am

Let us get one thing clear. I have never, ever, or ever will want, take, or have taken a handout. I have worked for everything I have. Believe me, it is not a whole lot compared to others, but I love it, and do not take it for granted. I live in an old 110 year old home that I am fixing up, I live in NW Missouri, a very poor area of the country. I work in a factory that nearly shut down a year ago, I raised my children by myself on my own back, no one else’s. I do not want sympathy, or anything else from anyone. What I have, be it what it is, I have earned on my own, not from anyone else.

Posted by: carla sue | April 28, 2008, 2:50 am 2:50 am

I do not find any lady attractive talking about wanting to eat a steak. If you can’t afford it, do not drool over it. Not very lady like.

Posted by: Jason | April 28, 2008, 2:51 am 2:51 am

What the hell is this ‘steak’ talk. I haven’t had a steak in years, but all of a sudden I am being attacked from all sides just from simply mentioning one. Shame on you all

Posted by: carla sue | April 28, 2008, 2:53 am 2:53 am

Staniam, I think the “bitter” comments referred to a reality and to a strategy that conservatives used, with some effect, during their “contract with america” days and beyond.
In a distractive way, issues like religion, gun rights, and flag burning amendments were pushed while little was said about actual jobs declining. It worked then and it still works now, it’s a politics of fear, and those issues are issues to which many cling when all else seems hopeless. Trust me, I’ve been there.
Now, you might want to just paint Obama in the worst possible way for his words. I’m not going to change your mind, and I’m not going to go find the quote by Bill Clinton some years ago saying pretty much the same thing.
I’m not expecting you to change your mind but others read these entries and a little bit of common sense can go a long way through an open mind.

Posted by: Jason | April 28, 2008, 2:54 am 2:54 am

The Republicans have had good economic plan to bring up everyone’s earning. Carla Sue on the other hand, want bad economy, want government hand out, and food stamps. That’s what’s holding back any country’s economy – people who want other people to pay, for their own life necessities, like a steak. To me, luxury is nice, but I earn it. If I happen to not have the ability to afford it now, I save for it. I do not cry, “steak? what steak?” A country does not move forward with a lot of people looking for handout. For those who actually work hard and make a lot, they are eventually dragged down by millions of Carla Sues and join the poor’s parade. Nobody wins.

Posted by: Todd | April 28, 2008, 2:56 am 2:56 am

all of you people denigratign average peope trying to get by today while you feel no effects from this economy are foolish you will pay in the end… Obama is not your savior

Posted by: staniam | April 28, 2008, 2:56 am 2:56 am

Carla Sue, Just so we’re clear, there are two Jasons posting (or more). I’m the one that doesn’t say unkind words about drooling.
By the way, I think your life in Missouri and your house sound charming.
Signed, Not that other Jason

Posted by: Jason | April 28, 2008, 2:59 am 2:59 am

I couldn’t agree with you more, Todd. Education is extremely important for people like Carla Sue to realize that coming out poverty is important to one’s dignity and the overall good of the society. Surprisingly, a lot of people want to stay below poverty line to be eligible to receive handout from the government.

Posted by: Jean | April 28, 2008, 3:00 am 3:00 am

Jason
thats exactly it the bitter comments were meant for a closed audience because he was trying to tell elite out of touch rich people how to think like repubicans… nice try BO… he is going to pay for this bigtime.. He will not receive the nomination period!

Posted by: staniam | April 28, 2008, 3:01 am 3:01 am

Obama in SF was responding to the question of why he thinks the rust belt voters are a challenge. His response was appropriate to the question, and accurate from what many among that demographic apparently have said. Many are bitter, and their churches and their guns are things any of us might cling to when feeling powerless. It’s no big deal. The wealthy group asking the question wouldn’t have a clue. This is one of those things that offend the folks that wouldn’t have supported him anyway.
I don’t think Barack Obama is going down behind this or any of these other issues. Neither candidate is perfect, and we’ll all have to see how it turns out. A lot can happen in the weeks ahead. I’d like to see another debate with LWV or some other serious moderator, but it’s not going to happen until after Indiana and NC.

Posted by: Jason | April 28, 2008, 3:20 am 3:20 am

Oh look—it’s ABC playing Hillary’s tune again. Obama’s not playing it. You people just can’t stand his strength and forthrightness can you? You think he should just jump when she says to? You think he should fall for any more of her (or your) bs? He’s moved on and is focusing on what matters. Maybe ABC should try that. You people are no longer viewed seriously. Might want to look at the price of supporting a lowlife like Clinton, eh?

Posted by: Robin | April 28, 2008, 3:26 am 3:26 am

Has Hillary well and truly lost the plot? we have had lies and smears, threats to bomb Iran off the map, next she will want the debate to be in a Boxing Ring!
Hillary – NO MORE TV DEBATES – WE HAVE HAD 21 AND THAT IS ENOUGH !!!!

Posted by: John B Sheffield | April 28, 2008, 3:34 am 3:34 am

Very interesting reading our comments, but back to the article. A Commander-in-Chief is the representative of every American, I don’t like the idea of our President meeting with Heads of State on the back of a flatbed.

Posted by: R ANDERSEN | April 28, 2008, 3:35 am 3:35 am

Robin
nobody will move on until BO answers questions about wright/ayers/the money laundering thing now etc it has to come out and he doesnt want it to.. he is finished period!

Posted by: staniam | April 28, 2008, 3:37 am 3:37 am

Is this woman become less and less presidential material or what?

Posted by: angela | April 28, 2008, 3:49 am 3:49 am

Wow, what a coincidence! I was just asking myself, what could Hillary Clinton possibly say that would make her seem even more desperate than she already has thus far? And now she’s proposing havng a debate in the back of a pickup truck. Is she really this much of an attention whore?

Posted by: Big Tex | April 28, 2008, 4:08 am 4:08 am

It’s not a hand out when I work and help the rich person in return. It’s called respect for your fellow man. I don’t like Hillary any better than you….and I won’t vote for her because her husband lied about paying down the national deficit. He also lied about having a budget surplus. He never had one. With Hillary dodging bullets from snipers….she has shown she is just as good at lying.
The point is…..just because you are sleeping in a pile of hundred dollar bills…..does it mean that you shouldn’t share some of the wealth occasionally. You look down your nose at a person who brought her children up on her own. She has done much more than many of you ever will. If she even needed a hand out…..so what?
Capitalism works when you can screw the little guys out of pennies on every dollar they spend. You loan shark them every time they step into your store. If they take something they are nabbed by the police who shake them down and throw them in jail.
Capitalists always get their interest, whether it be in a grocery store, a street corner, or credit card. Loan sharking works….and makes lots of people very rich.
But the same group that robs the pennies from the bottom up……incessantly whine when the pennies are being taken away and going from the top down.
The poor smuck you loan sharked the money from in the first place is called a person expecting a hand out.
But the rich expect a hand out every time I run into their store….its called interest. They buy it for fifty cents….and demand one dollar and fifty cents if you want the food for supper.
But the rich aren’t getting hand outs?
Give me a break. Capitalism doesn’t work without hand outs to the rich. They shake down everyone that comes near their place of business.

Posted by: Steven Wilson | April 28, 2008, 4:16 am 4:16 am

Hillary, Obama was the first candidate to agree to a debate in North Carolina. YOU did not accept it. And now you are trying to portray him as running away from debates? Totally shameless.

Posted by: Dem | April 28, 2008, 5:38 am 5:38 am

Why won’t Obama debate???

Posted by: carla sue | April 28, 2008, 5:45 am 5:45 am

Hillary ducked a debate in North Carolina previously. This is just a sham argument from the shameless liar, Hillary Clinton.
She has nothing better to talk about so she is trying to create an issue and get free media. Obama is above raising the multitude of scandals that surround the Clintons but Hillary wants to have a debate so she can try to tar Obama with phony scandals. The woman is disgusting, she will say or do anything to win. Whatever one thinks about Obama, at least one can be reasonably sure he believes what he is saying. Not so with Shillary.

Posted by: ConsDemo | April 28, 2008, 6:54 am 6:54 am

I don’t know about you but I want someone who will fight for the country.
Hillary 2008

Posted by: Joe | April 28, 2008, 7:25 am 7:25 am

How about a Hillary Huckabee Debate?
Ya got the two runners up. Both Challenged their respective Leader to a Lincoln Douglas Debate.
Let Hillary Debate Ol Huck. They could travel all around Arkansas.

Posted by: The Commander Guy | April 28, 2008, 8:45 am 8:45 am

Thousands of people? So her publicists said. I didn’t count the people but it look more like hundreds to me. Last time I checked the Cape Fear river was indeed a river. I think ABC got it right.
Hillary fought for Health Care in 1993 and alienated so many people that her husband didn’t let her do anything but first lady stuff for the next seven years. We don’t need that kind of fighting. We need someone who can calmly get things done.

Posted by: IamHereinWilmington | April 28, 2008, 8:52 am 8:52 am

Hillary wants to have a debate on the back of a flatbed truck. No, I’m not kidding.

Because she doesn’t seem quite desperate enough continually harping on the fact that Barack Obama won’t agree to appear in debate #3,945,209 prior to the Indiana and North Carolina primaries, Hillary Clinton has now decided to shed her last remaining

Posted by: The Old Eighteen | April 28, 2008, 9:01 am 9:01 am

Hey Obama supporters in the words of William Kirstol, “What’s the most efficient way to communicate with voters? Surely not at a massively promoted, televised, highly watched debate. Much better to hold a few town halls and meet and greets.” Really why won’t he debate her, is he afraid? No seriously, you want to know why Hillary is still in this because Obama has allowed her to by moves such as this. The reason why Hillary, for good or bad mostly bad, is still in this fight is because she has demonstrated that she is a fighter, and that she is at her best at when everything looks bad for her. Yes people have a higher dissaproval rating of her but man is she gaining some street cred. As for Obama in the last weeks or so he has allowed Hillary to define him as nonpatriotic, elitist(which is impressive considering part of a 1/10 of a billion income), out of touch, all talk and now a wimp. Obama, Hillary is making you look less and less presidential everyday and the only person to blame is yourself, take her head on and end this already please for everyone’s sake.

Posted by: Gonzalo | April 28, 2008, 9:08 am 9:08 am

It’s scary to imagine an Obama campaign in the fall, acting like he is now.
McCain calling him a debate, straight talk, anywhere, any time, any means, but Obama says, “no, no, no, I am afraid of debate and I want to talk to voters”.
Is he going to make swing voters more confident in his ability and experience, which he has none to demonstrate?

Posted by: bony | April 28, 2008, 9:33 am 9:33 am

ps. HRC is no McCain in the fall, when you talking about tough questions and hitting you hard.
McCain would fry him, compared to what HRC would have said in the primaries.

Posted by: bony | April 28, 2008, 9:38 am 9:38 am

Hilary isn’t looking for a debate. She is looking for free TV air time. She doesn’t debate. She just uses every opportunity to throw more mud around. That’s her platform. She has divided this nation and will not stop until she is forced out. She is a spoiled brat who is convinced that “if she can’t win.. no one wins” She has divided the party and is determinded to give the presidency to McCain just so she doesn’t look like the loser that she is.

Posted by: Jacki L | April 28, 2008, 9:53 am 9:53 am

Don’t criticze Obama for not sitting on a flat-bed truck. Do you expect him to get his Armani suit dirty?

Posted by: geevill | April 28, 2008, 9:58 am 9:58 am

Obama should be obligated to debate….and I dont think Obama is calm at this point… He thought hed have it handed to him…. he is an elitist to the core and that will not plahy in NC

Posted by: staniam | April 28, 2008, 10:14 am 10:14 am

Let the Number Twos Debate: Hillary and Huckabee!

Posted by: The Commander Guy | April 28, 2008, 10:52 am 10:52 am

After the spanking that Obama got from Hillary Clinton in the last debate, he is afraid to debate her anywhere.
Run, Forrest, Run!!!

Posted by: Jayhawk | April 28, 2008, 11:03 am 11:03 am

Jayhawk. Obama ain’t debating Mike Gravel either just because he is calling for one. He ain’t gotta reason to.
Obama doesn’t need to debate Hillary, either. Debating McCain otoh is different.
Maybe Hillary and Mike Gravel can debate. Or betta yet she can debate Ol’Huck.

Posted by: The Commander Guy | April 28, 2008, 11:34 am 11:34 am

Well, Commander Guy,
If Obama is so “skeert” as to refuse to debate Hillary Clinton (and she DID spank him), perhaps he could get his “old uncle” and “spiritual advisor” to do his debating for him.
But, then, it probably doesn’t make much difference what debate is going on as long as Jeremiah Wright just keeps going, and going, and going…
Obama/Wright ’08

Posted by: Jayhawk | April 28, 2008, 11:57 am 11:57 am

Jayhawk
The Leader doesn’t have to run his campaign on the Loser’s schedule.
Maybe Hillary can get Mike “get off my lawn” Gravel’s attention for Lincoln Douglas style debates. This is a good pairing.
Hillary Huckabee Debates would be better. And I think ol’Huck will skool Hills on the topic of Krazy Preachers.

Posted by: The Commander Guy | April 28, 2008, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm

Stanium:
Most “Middle Class” people are
educated! The pollsters have shown that
most of Hillary’s supporters are
uneducated! Who else would believe all
of her lies? NAFTA, Bosnia, Irish Peace
Process, etc!

Posted by: reaganfan | April 28, 2008, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm

There is no “popular vote”. A popular vote excludes 5 states which have caucuses that only tally delegates not individual votes. So when Hillary talks about leading the popular vote and frames the issue stating all of the votes should be counted, meaning Florida and Michigan, she dismisses 5 entire states that do not have individual vote counts. Count everyone?

Posted by: rcpmac | April 28, 2008, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm

Broke candidates always want to debate the frontrunner.

Posted by: Paul | April 28, 2008, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm

This all part the Clinton theatrics and raw politics. At this point the debates are meaningless since it appears, as evidenced by the last one, that the media has run out of meaningful questions. I sick of this campaign. If you don’t who the candidates are you have not been paying attention. To me the choice is very simple….either back to future with Bill and Hillary and their lies, hypocrisy, and political theater or a chance for a change….And, as an Independent I say this to you Democrats (mostly, Hillarites)…Destroying the image of your opponent does not enhance the image of your candidate in people’s eyes. It diminishes them both. For Hillary and Bill to be throwing darts ar Obama is the height of hypocrisy….but, of course we know the Clintons know no shame…

Posted by: indy_voter | April 28, 2008, 2:26 pm 2:26 pm

Senator Obama worked with poor people on the south side of Chicago. Hillary Clinton was on the board of Wal-Mart.
Hillary Clinton is also on records as having told her husband Bill not to be concerned with southern ‘good ole boys’.
If anyone believes that she is everyday people and that Senator Obama is “elitist”, please bring proof.

Posted by: Publius | April 28, 2008, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm

Obama won’t debate alone with Hillary because he knows she is more knowledgeable. Without moderators Obama will not be given a chance by having Hillary respond to the tough questions first. Hillary will be asking the tough policy and issues questions and he won’t have a speech writer helping him out.

Posted by: irma | April 28, 2008, 10:06 pm 10:06 pm

Does Hillary realize just how unhinged she sounds every time she opens her mouth. These passive-aggressive mind games will not make this economy work, nor will it end the war in Iraq. She is a complete psycho, and the more she goes on and on and on about debates, the more pathetic she sounds. How desperate is she that she feels the need to call for a debate, when there is no much at stake in terms of POLICY? And for the Clinton supporters who need a 22nd debate to learn more about these candidates: really, do you have to display your lack of intelligence so prominently?

Posted by: hi | April 29, 2008, 2:09 am 2:09 am

“It is true that registered dems have voted overwhelmingly for CLinton… if it werent for the caucuses and open primaries that allowed Independants and republicans to wreak havoc Clinton would be way ahead”
As an Independent I am insulted by this comment. Clintonites forget that it is moderate Republicans and Independents that will decide this election. Party loyalists will vote for their party regardless. Keep in mind that Bill never won a majority of the vote and in fact only had 42% of the vote in the first election. Democrats need to stop thinking that unfavorable opinions of GWB = favorable opinions of Democrats and therefore victory in November. Hillary will not win over moderate Republicans or Independents as was so eloquently stated in this post. From a personal viewpoint, Independents and moderate Replublicans hate the Clintons just as much as we hate GWB. America must do better than Clinton Act II.

Posted by: indy_voter | April 29, 2008, 9:31 am 9:31 am

YOU GO GIRL! Hillary is NOT afraid to go toe to toe. She has the intelligence to back up her plans and can show it anytime or anywhere! She’s not just reciting a speech, she KNOWS her stuff. So many people have compared Obama to JFK and Lincoln, put his money where his mouth is. As for Obama supporters saying that he wants to focus on voters not debating with Hillary…that’s exacting what a debate does! It informs the voters, he just wants a free reign on a stage without any reason to explain his plans for the US.

Posted by: Darla | April 29, 2008, 9:35 am 9:35 am

What have you learned from the 21 or so debates? She doesn’t know her stuff she has a good memory for speeches but not such a good memory for remembering campaign promises or for what really occurred when she is attempting to bolster his non existent experience.. And Hillary is not intelligent, she is merely well educated but who would expect Clinton’s brain dead base to be able to differentiate between the two. Intelligent folks would realize that when the press is present a recording of the event is possible: if she must lie, and obviously, she must, she should not lie about facts (esp. on film). What a dummy

Posted by: james d granata | April 29, 2008, 10:04 am 10:04 am

Hillary makes 100 million plus obama only made 400 k last years who’s the elitis?

Posted by: manny o | May 2, 2008, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm

I think that hillary is going to win nd iwant her to win becuase she cant make a few changes to the world. nd it has never been a president as women nd i want hillary to to be the first nd only.she can do a good job.nd ikow some people might not agreed with me but i think iam right she can chane the world and she will do a good job bcuz itrust hillary shes the one we need, this women wil totaly win bcuz, we can all trust inher. if u loe godguess wat u should love hilary u should trust in her

Posted by: britnny | May 4, 2008, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm

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