Clinton Rips Media’s ‘Double Standard’
ABC News’ Teddy Davis Reports: Asked about press accusations that the only way she can win is if she’s "willing to win ugly," Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., told NPR’s "All Things Considered" on Tuesday that she has faced "something of a double standard" throughout her presidential bid.
"Senator, I want you to react to something that I keep hearing among voters, and increasingly among people who cover the campaign — both those who are reporters and those who speak about the campaign on television, on radio — the statement that the only way that Hillary Clinton can win is if she’s willing to win ugly," NPR’s Michele Norris told Clinton.
"When you hear that," Norris continued, "what does that mean to you? How do you react to that?"
"Well, I don’t know what it means because there is no way for Senator Obama to win unless he also obtains a significant number of superdelegates," said Clinton. "I understand that there has been, throughout this campaign, something of a double standard. I accept it; I live with it."
Asked what the double standard is, Clinton at first demurred.
"Well, I think that it’s pretty obvious to anybody who has followed it," said Clinton.
When Norris followed-up again, saying, "Just in case it’s not clear to someone, I don’t want to assume. I just want you to tell me what you think the double standard is because I don’t want to assume," Clinton unloaded.
"No, but you know – for example, why is the question directed at me?" she said. "I mean, neither of us has the number of delegates to win. It is a problem for both of us. And Senator Obama’s supporters refuse to support a revote in Michigan, which I thought was rather odd for the Democratic Party to be against another vote. Senator Obama’s supporters wanted to end this contest and short circuit it so that the votes of the people in the next upcoming contest wouldn’t count because he has a slight lead. And it’s by no means definitive. It would have been like calling the championship game last night with two minutes left to go because somebody was ahead. And that’s not how it turned out."
Audio of Clinton’s interview is available on NPR’s website.
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Clinton keeps touting double standards because it allows her to rewrite the rules constantly change her strategy. She will win at all cost regardless what it will do to the Democratic party.
On one hand she states the people should decide by voting, but then switches to acknowlege that the super delegats will decide, and that the delegates should decide whom they think will be the best candidate regardless os what the popular vote will be.
If they way she runs her campaign is a sign of how she would run the country that is something the US does not need.
Posted by: michelle | April 8, 2008, 6:59 pm 6:59 pm
How is the following, then, not a double standard… HRC told all who would listen that the nominee would be chosen after Super Duper Tsunami Tuesday of 5th Feb. What about disenfranchising all the voters who were going to vote after that??? Typical Clinton doublespeak.
Posted by: Martin | April 8, 2008, 6:59 pm 6:59 pm
I think the title of this is misleading. Senator Clinton did not “rip” anyone, but boy could she if she wanted to.
She happens to be right about this. Neither one of them has enough votes to win and can’t without supers. Sen. Obama’s lead is very small, why doesn’t the media ask him how he can win?
Sen. Obama is playing VERY UGLY politics and has been for sometime. Witness another surrogates comments about Senator McCain today. This stuff happens week after week but the media gives him a free pass.
Maybe the voters are getting ahead of the media – look at the new SurveyUSA poll out today in PA – Clinton up by 18. Survey USA poll in NC – Clinton down by 10 when she has been down by 22 or 23. I am NOT cherry picking polls. If anyone who reads this knows anything about polls SUSA has been the most accurate this election save Missouri.
Posted by: Kris | April 8, 2008, 7:00 pm 7:00 pm
What is she talking about? She is not making any sense anymore. She’s ranting and raving and whining about everything now. Oh, no, she’s gonna start crying soon… Poor, poor commander-in-chief wannabe.
Posted by: Adi | April 8, 2008, 7:03 pm 7:03 pm
Hillary is not getting it, again. People are telling her to get out of the race because she is behind in popular votes, delegates, and number of states won and there is no way in hell she’ll be able to make up for it in the remaining races. Come on, Hillary, this is not a double standard; it’s the reality. I know, the Clintons have issues with reality but some people are really good at seeing things for what they are and they just won’t stop.
Posted by: mabs | April 8, 2008, 7:07 pm 7:07 pm
Hillabeans: Do you want some cheese with that whine?!
And, Kris, you are certainly cherry picking polls! Polls continue to trend single digits for Clinton in PA and high teens to low twenties for Obama in NC. And PA polls are generally trending downward. Who knows where things will be at the end of next week, after the PA Debate. Could easily be an Obama win — nail in the coffin, that!
Obama 2008 — Yes, WE CAN!!!
Posted by: Jackt51 | April 8, 2008, 7:12 pm 7:12 pm
Well when 30million of us vote for MCcain you will get it what the double standard is.
Posted by: Bishop | April 8, 2008, 7:12 pm 7:12 pm
Obama gets constantly bashed by Hannity and Combes, Karl Rove, and other jerks – He’s not complaining!
Posted by: Sherrie | April 8, 2008, 7:12 pm 7:12 pm
I detest Bill and Hillary Clinton. But, I do have to admit, she is getting the short straw in media coverage. So much is out there about Obama that isn’t being reported. So very much.
But at least Hillary is staying in and, in so doing, is shredding the party. Good news for people who care about issues rather than assertions.
Posted by: Surelock Homes | April 8, 2008, 7:15 pm 7:15 pm
To bad must of her supporters not just think but know there is a double standard new susa poll clinton up by double digits over Obama.
Posted by: Bishop | April 8, 2008, 7:16 pm 7:16 pm
Whether Jimmy Carter in 1976 and Hillary or Obama in 2008, I don’t see the difference in any of these three presidential candidates. If we elect a Dem in 2008 we’ll be in the same mess in 2012 as we were in 1980. I still remember 20% interest rates, the 400 some American hostages in Iran, and America the laughing stalk of two-bit dictators all around the world.
Posted by: Jeff Jorgensen | April 8, 2008, 7:19 pm 7:19 pm
Hillary,
Please continue to stand up for all the voters. Obama has not lifted a finger for Michigan or Florida voters. We know that you care about all Democrats.
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Obama needs to apologize for Rockefeller’s statements!
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | April 8, 2008, 7:19 pm 7:19 pm
The double standard is if Obama had lost 11 straight contests EVERYONE would be yelling for him to get out. Instead everyone gave Hillary the benefit of the doubt and said it was ok for her to continue.
Posted by: Rob, Indianapolis, IN | April 8, 2008, 7:19 pm 7:19 pm
See like Gorgon said, Hill and Bill need an enemy to run against. This way you can decry the unfairness, generate sympathy AND avoid talking about what you believe in.
And it is all important to avoid talking about who you are and what you stand for.
Posted by: The Commander Guy | April 8, 2008, 7:22 pm 7:22 pm
I just saw Obama questioning General Petraeus. His stance on Iraq sure has changed. He’s sounding more and more like McCain. I wonder why his followers aren’t noticing that he’s abandoning them.
Meanwhile, Hillary looks like she’d been rode hard and put away wet.
Posted by: S | April 8, 2008, 7:22 pm 7:22 pm
Actually, the multiple standards are with Hillary. She changes her math formula weekly and moves the goal posts several times each quarter.
Posted by: Sara | April 8, 2008, 7:23 pm 7:23 pm
This race is to close for any one to be trying to force some one out.
Posted by: Bishop | April 8, 2008, 7:24 pm 7:24 pm
don’t talk about Obama. You folks ruled us for hundreds of years, now its our time to rule you. Don’t hate, appreciate.
Posted by: power | April 8, 2008, 7:24 pm 7:24 pm
Obama or his surrogates tried to short-circuit the race….
Everyone knew neither candidates will gain enough delegates before convention….
It is undeniable fact…
So let the whole process go thru itself, and let all arguements be put on the table…
Based on all the results and arguments, people will judge who will be the best candidate for Dems…..
Please do not break the RULE and do not steal…
If you earn the title in the end, it will be yours…..That’s it!!
Posted by: True Truth | April 8, 2008, 7:25 pm 7:25 pm
It makes me laugh when I hear Obama’s people talking about following the rules. I do not know if they remember but Al Gore won the popular vote in the election of 2000, and he did not become Preident of the United States due to “The Rules”, the electoral college, instead we got George W. Bush and look how that turned out!!
When all is said and done, and everyone has voted Hillary will have more popular votes but Obama will have more pledged delegates. Obama will end up being the Democratic Nominee because Americans are “obsessed” with rules, and the next President of the United States will be John McCain, sad, sad, sad.
Posted by: Gabriel | April 8, 2008, 7:27 pm 7:27 pm
If you continue to live in the past how can you go into the future.
Posted by: Bishop | April 8, 2008, 7:30 pm 7:30 pm
I’m sure there will be lots of studies in the future regarding the media bias and the ridiculous press coverage of this campaign…
Imagine an Axelrod campaign that constantly slanders and attacks Hillary…who is also attacked in profane ways from obama’s pulpit….and the media is accusing the other side of kitchen sink tactics….I even saw Chris Mathews saying he was having a physical reaction to Obama’s speeches…and Roland martin insisting he would get all Blacks to vote against hillary if she won the nomination…
You guys have to be kidding! Ask Lou Dobbs if anyone has noticed?!
And apparently the media thinks they can do what they want….the public has no right to know…just a right to be influenced by a large number of hacks. Talking Heads need to turn on the TV and look at the angry and unethical attempts to sway this election…from unacceptable language to unbelievable favoritism. These are the same people who sold us the Iraq War…and now we get Obama.
Sad thing it just might work
Posted by: Jackie | April 8, 2008, 7:30 pm 7:30 pm
They do this EVERY TIME they are down and Obama is pulling ahead…they get the PRESS to attack Obama FOR THEM, by crying BIAS!
I hope the Press doesn’t fall for THIS AGAIN!
Posted by: Carl | April 8, 2008, 7:32 pm 7:32 pm
Case in point….Clinton says there is a double standard and she’s used to it….Headline reads Clinton Rips Media…
Obama questions Crocker gets Iraqis and Iranians mixed up….where is the headline?
Posted by: Jackie | April 8, 2008, 7:33 pm 7:33 pm
I love Hill to death, but one must wonder why is it that when she is asked a direct question about her thoughts and choices on certain topics, that she throws in Sen. Obama?
Posted by: Sally | April 8, 2008, 7:34 pm 7:34 pm
Sure looks like Penn’s PR firm has some folks posting HERE! Planting ALL KINDS of filthy seeds. Disgusting.
Posted by: Carl | April 8, 2008, 7:35 pm 7:35 pm
I agree democrats have only 1 shot at the white house Hillary
Posted by: Kevin, fl | April 8, 2008, 7:37 pm 7:37 pm
Sherrie
I agree .Fox has been bashing him left and right. But if you listen they were pumping her up early on. Es. after Mitt and Guillinni dropped out. Hanniety wants the Republican to go after Hillary ..He knows the republican party will draw even with Hill voting for the war. If Barack wins he has that over McCain
Posted by: Lauren | April 8, 2008, 7:40 pm 7:40 pm
This much is evident: the supposed disagreement between Sen. Clinton and Former President Clinton on both the Colombian Trade Agreement and urging President Bush to boycott the opening ceremonies in Beijing are politcally convenient maneuvers to illustrate the plausibility that Sen. Clinton actually opposed NAFTA while she was activelly petitioning for its safe passage. The problem Sen. Clinton faces in her fading presidential bid is that after 7 years of Bush, Americans are no longer as ignorant about the candidates as she needs them to be.
Posted by: H. Aslan Aslani-Far | April 8, 2008, 7:42 pm 7:42 pm
Sherrie — be honest now. Do you really watch FOX news that much? Why would a FOX-hater do so? Or maybe, you’re just making his up.
Posted by: Aston | April 8, 2008, 7:43 pm 7:43 pm
LOL
Obama has been the ugliest, low life candidate I have even seen in a presidential election. Is it OK for him to do dirty tricks but no one else?
What a double standard.
Clinton would be winning, if it was not for the DNC and Democratic powers playing God and political fixers. Denying Florida and Michigan their right to vote. Swaying delegates by using their powers and whatever other pressures they applied.
Obama has used every dirty trick in the book so far. He probably made some up on his own.
Is it ok for him because he is a man or because he is Black?
He has cast blame, mislead, spewed mis truths and leaked lies.
He has demanded records to be released and when nothing came of them, he is demanding more records (since that is what got him his US Senate seat with no competition).
He has played games with foreign governments to play political games for a vote.
He has Lied to the American people over and over again.
He has lied on or about his best friends, his own family.
He has taken a God Damn American comment and called America Racist. When he should of been calling for and giving a Patriotism then.
He Stands up for and forgives The man who condemns The United States. But he continues to blame you for being racist and blames you for slavery.
Today he did not care about the people of Iraq, the government of Iraq, he only cared about a day to pull out, and the cost.
No one can catch up to low life ugly political tricks when it comes to Obama he owns the market on that one.
Posted by: seah | April 8, 2008, 7:46 pm 7:46 pm
If it had not been set up from the begining maybe people would not be so mad.Fl. and MI Dean knew that Clinton would win them why should we count IA. and SC they went ahead to. and NH and NV
Posted by: Bishop | April 8, 2008, 7:46 pm 7:46 pm
Bishop
Get your facts straight. IA, SC, NH and NV did not overstep the limits. Or do you even know what those voting limits were? (I thought not)
Posted by: Aston | April 8, 2008, 7:49 pm 7:49 pm
I understand that there has been, throughout this campaign, something of a double standard. I accept it; I live with it.”
The double standard exists when you try to move the goal posts.
When you offer the runner up second fiddle. When you tout Shame on you Barack, when in reality you are doing the same thing.
Selling out the Party with Pumping up McCain.
In the begging delegates count when your behind they don’t have to be loyal to the voters. I want you to say to those who support you , You can leave my side and switch to Barack if you want…But we all know you would never say that.
You would be shaming him if he was to do that.
Knowing Fla. and Mich. wont count . You seemed okay in the beginning with that . But your behind now we are disenfranchising the votes, If they voted for Obama you would not be saying this.
That is your Double Standard
Posted by: Lauren | April 8, 2008, 7:49 pm 7:49 pm
Yesterday, Obama again said he would talk to Iran. Of course, in typical Obama style, he mentioned nothing about what he would say. But, what more would one expect from a left-wing puppet?
Posted by: Surelock Homes | April 8, 2008, 7:51 pm 7:51 pm
Well rip is wrong. But would you rather read the words.
Clinton whines about Media’s Double Standard?
Posted by: Lauren | April 8, 2008, 7:53 pm 7:53 pm
Just for the sake of argument SEAH, I see you say that he has used dirty tricks during his campaign, however you have failed to list any examples. Do you have any substance to back up your argument?
Posted by: Sally | April 8, 2008, 7:53 pm 7:53 pm
Why bother to interview the woman when she doesn’t answer a single question?
So what IS the double standard Hillary?
You still want to claim it’s harder to be a rich white woman than a black in America?
Posted by: Pundit | April 8, 2008, 7:55 pm 7:55 pm
Mabs: Obama can’t win without superdelegates, the same as Hillary!
Posted by: russell | April 8, 2008, 7:55 pm 7:55 pm
Apparently not, can you point out something that I can read to find this valuable info? ASTON
Posted by: Sally | April 8, 2008, 7:56 pm 7:56 pm
.6 of a percent is hardly a “lead”.
As of today:
47.0 Percent voted for Hillary
47.6 Percent voted for Obama
Obviously there IS a double standard.
Hillary gets the negative press
Obama gets the positive press, even when it is about something negative.
Either way, ONE of them better win in November.
Posted by: mwf | April 8, 2008, 7:56 pm 7:56 pm
For Hillary: Obama will not win PA,Oh,Fl in the general election! He can not win working class voters and is a sure loser, why shouldn’t the superdelegates pick someone who can win in November against McCain! If it’s Obama v. McCain, we might as well start calling McCain Mr.President, why wait!
Posted by: russell | April 8, 2008, 7:59 pm 7:59 pm
No one will seal the nomination without the help of SD…That is the fact..
Obama can convince SD to pick him based on his lead on delegates and states, maybe popular votes (still questionable)…
Hillary can convince SD to choose her based on her wins on the most big blue states and electability…
It is a fair game and everyone is entitled to present their best case to seal the seal…
So please be fair and be patient…
Posted by: True Truth | April 8, 2008, 8:00 pm 8:00 pm
No one will seal the nomination without the help of SD…That is the fact..
Obama can convince SD to pick him based on his lead on delegates and states, maybe popular votes (still questionable)…
Hillary can convince SD to choose her based on her wins on the most big blue states and electability…
It is a fair game and everyone is entitled to present their best case to seal the deal…
So please be fair and be patient…
Posted by: True Truth | April 8, 2008, 8:00 pm 8:00 pm
Everything in this campaign has been double standard when it comes to Sen. Obama….media coverage, calls to drop out of the race, misinterpreted words, supposed racist remarks, misspeaks, surrogate gaffes, etc. If Clinton does something that can be twisted around, it is highlighted every way possible in the media. If Obama scratches his nose, it is headlined as inspiring and historical. Everything is a positive for him. Information that should be put out in the media are either ignored or passed over quickly, usually substituted for more anti Clinton garbage. I see today the health care story she was being ripped apart for is actually being reported as true now. Do we see any apologies or retractions from the media pundits who were so eager to jump on the story as another negative? I doubt we will. She should stay in this race until there is a vote that definitely chooses a nominee. Hope springs eternal, and there are a lot of people who HOPE the last 10 primaries can turn things around. Hillary was and still is the best qualified candidate for President. Obama needs to go home to Illinois, do what he promised to do (serve out at least 1 term as U.S. Senator) and do his homework on how to actually present his plans for solving problems instead of parroting Hillary’s plans and writing more glorious speeches.
Posted by: Deb | April 8, 2008, 8:04 pm 8:04 pm
Super delegates will not over turn the wll of the people . You can keep on saying red states blue states. Its the People to whom the super represent.
They will not overturn. Their futures depend on the Party=Party depends on the People.
Posted by: Lauren | April 8, 2008, 8:06 pm 8:06 pm
Well why not just wait and see what happens why the rush for her to get out and the double standard is get out get out we have every right to have are candidate in every primary its not like she is behind 600 like kennedy was in 1980 when he took it to the floor
Posted by: Bishop | April 8, 2008, 8:12 pm 8:12 pm
WestCoastMessanger, Hill said she is vetted and there is nothing left even not the 109 million. She is wining again and may cry soon and again. If media has something to say is because of her disorganized campaign, lack of visionand leadership. Media has not created the Bosnian Snipers, the Colombian CAFTA, etc, etc. Hill the Bosnian General is doing it to herself, real self inflicted wounds. Period. God bless America and God bless Obama.OBAMA08.
Posted by: BKMC | April 8, 2008, 8:14 pm 8:14 pm
She right the press says about 70% about Obama, 25% about Clinton, and
5% on McCain. There is a double standard going on here and everyone knows it. But they only have on rose colored glasses. The media is so pro-Obama it has become sicking to watch,
Posted by: Melissa | April 8, 2008, 8:14 pm 8:14 pm
This Democratic presidential primary may well turn out to be like the Kansas-Memphis NCAA championship game: Memphis 7 points ahead with 2 minutes left, but Kansas tied the game and came back to win in overtime. Amazing, but true!
Watch out for a surprise or two close to the Pennsylvania primaries and beyond.
Posted by: Ottile | April 8, 2008, 8:21 pm 8:21 pm
Oh My she had 16 years as the First Lady; 7 years as a Senator. There is no secret that erverything she has done is a run for President. She was widely belived to be the front runner for the last two years. Almost everything she said was reported on.
Now that she isn’t winning, she is whinning.
If she hasn’t made her case by now she never will.
Posted by: Thinking | April 8, 2008, 8:23 pm 8:23 pm
It’s NOT a double standard… it is a FACT! Hilliary is behind in delegates AND popular vote, therfor she has NO claim to anything yet. How is this so difficult for people to understand? 2nd place is NOT 1st! Reguardless of one’s gender or race. Get that through yer freakin’ head Hilliary! Until you have a lead on something, you and Bill should SHUT UP! Enough!
Posted by: ha! | April 8, 2008, 8:26 pm 8:26 pm
manda
I think your study is pretty flawed…Obama clearly lost Texas…but his followers shouted down the other voters…signed up people who weren’t there and won the causcus.
I’m from Texas and I know what happened here.
Posted by: Jackie | April 8, 2008, 8:31 pm 8:31 pm
by the looks of this I think we are past healing telling her to drop out calling her on every little thing has not set well with her supporters so we can debate all night but I think from what I am hearing it won’t be a united party. Not counting votes is a big problem for the Clintons supporters.
Posted by: Bishop | April 8, 2008, 8:33 pm 8:33 pm
Here we go again. 2 weeks before a vote and she is crying double standard and dragging up MI that SHE agreed to disenfranchise. What she leaves out in that “slim” lead is she can’t catch him in elected delegates or the popular vote even with FL and MI.
Same thing as before TX and Ohio when she cried but this time? I don’t think it is going to work because she has done anything to win including lying time and time again.
Next up? She will try the crying jag…misty eyed..while she talks about pain…but this time? 109 million dollars stands there and he pain dosent compare to the average persons.
What a fake, no wonder her trutst is at an all time low.
Posted by: Sam | April 8, 2008, 8:38 pm 8:38 pm
Yes by cheating from what I heard from family.And strong arming voters but if Clinton says anything because she is a womwn she is crying. Texas was a sham
Posted by: Bishop | April 8, 2008, 8:39 pm 8:39 pm
Sam – Remember when much of the media was railing (with the Obama campaign) against the release of a photo (for which Barack obviously posed) of Barack in African garb taken during his trip to his late father’s homeland (Kenya) a couple of years ago.
What’s the problem?
Barack was fully dressed, and he posed for the photo. Publicizing such photos of presidential hopefuls is to be expected. Ask Mike (Tank Man)Dukakis and John (The Duck Hunter)Kerry.
Apparently the Obama campaign and its media allies are playing the race card, by arguing that the release of the photo to The Drudge Report is somehow racist.
Media does not publish a thing about Barack Sr. HAVING BEEN MARRIED when he “married” Barack’s mother.
And, of course, not a peep about Barack’s ties to Kenyan radical presidential hopeful Raila Odinga, who identified himself as Barack’s cousin on his father’s side and for whom Barack campaigned in Kenya after he visited Barack in the United States.
Pamela Geller, Israel National News.com, January 9, 2008: “The recent revelations of [Barack] Obama’s ties to Raila Odinga in Kenya are disconcerting… because Odinga is behind the terrible violence in his country. It was he who instigated bloody riots and killing after he lost the election. Obama’s bias for his fellow Luo was so blatant that a Kenyan government spokesman denounced Obama during his visit as Raila’s ‘stooge.’ And while there are few angels in Kenya, Odinga is the source of great unrest and turmoil; and the [Memorandum of Understanding] he signed with the Muslim Council to institute sharia [Islamic law] is a foreshadowing of a dark fate for Kenya.”
Great republican info here and coming to a screen near every American soon and often in the near future.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | April 8, 2008, 8:40 pm 8:40 pm
Double standard? THATS RICH!
SHE gives the media the material to report by LYING and refusing to fire Mark Penn and letting her husband off his leash and she wants to BLAME the media for reporting the events SHE sets into motion! The woman is sick.
Posted by: Sam | April 8, 2008, 8:41 pm 8:41 pm
Martin – do you understand the part about the delegate count? The part about the magic number being 2025? So if Clinton, or Obama, had 2025 the contest would be over? Disenfrancesment obviously is not at play there. That’s like continuing to play Blackjack after you reach 21. When you win, you win. You are making a non-point.
Posted by: presto | April 8, 2008, 8:44 pm 8:44 pm
Uh-Oh, here we go! Next, she’ll be on t.v. crying!! When she had a double digit lead in Pennsylvania, she was all smiles, now that Obama is closing the gap fast, she’s panicking! So now it’s fall back to my Ace in the hole–cry and complain that the Boys are beating up on poor little female me!! Really, she is disgusting, and I hope women stop buying into her theatrics! If she can’t take it, get out of the race!
Posted by: getreal | April 8, 2008, 8:46 pm 8:46 pm
If Hillary had 16 years as first lady, then she would have 1 more year to go and the country would not be in the shape it is.
If Obama is really the new type of politics, he would ask each of his supporters to quit trashing the people he will need to win if he is the nominee. He won’t do that, because he has this attack stratgey so that he can stay clean. It’s not working, many people are begining to notice that the change party is all about negative comments. They never defend their candidates stands on issues, because the hear the word, but don’t understand the actual issues.
He confuses Iraq with Iran and the criticized McCain for a similar mistake with Iraqi sects.
Posted by: Paul from Texas | April 8, 2008, 8:46 pm 8:46 pm
omentum why play the race card its not about a black president its about an unfaiar race we are just not ready to believe that are party is not going to count all the votes.
Posted by: Bishop | April 8, 2008, 8:46 pm 8:46 pm
Aston…no I saw it…the point is it’s OK for Obama to attack McCain or hillary…and the media will back him up…But isn’t it strange that everyone is so afraid that Hillary might attack Obama for anything…
He’s allowed to calim she’s a liar and have his miniter attack her from the pulpit…but she’s not allowed to question his experience…
Obama has a glass jaw and everyone’s afraid that Hillary might knock him out. What are they so afraid of?
Posted by: Jackie | April 8, 2008, 8:46 pm 8:46 pm
Hillary is the ONLY Democrat of any stature who is going to bat for the voters of Michigan and Florida.
If I were an uncommitted super delegate who thought that Florida was in play, I would flat out tell the Obama campaign to put up or shut up.
Florida would be very easy to assess as far as giving 1/2 votes to each delegate, and then base the representation by the number of votes each candidate received.
This 50/50 “plan” from the Obama camp is absurd.
I think if this race was really mathematically over, that Obama would not be such a stick in the mud.
But, Obama’s lack of cooperation, although he will tell you just the opposite, is an indication to me that he still is concerned he could lose.
Come on Obama, step up to the plate and be a part of the solution.
This Democrat is not impressed so far.
Posted by: sherr | April 8, 2008, 8:49 pm 8:49 pm
getreal – Really? Obama can’t even win the democratic primary. Us Hillary supporters are holding him in check. And that’s not even counting republicans. Now, if were to lose who do you expect us to vote for?
Posted by: Dogsoldier | April 8, 2008, 8:49 pm 8:49 pm
We the Clinton supporters will not give up and will not give in. With media’s favoritism, amazing fundraising outcome, backup by all the anti-war.orgs, Obama still cannot convince the other half of the democratic voters. He has already lost!
Posted by: Vickie | April 8, 2008, 8:52 pm 8:52 pm
Rob—you have your facts mixed up –Obama has won eleven straight states–not lost.
Posted by: orange cat | April 8, 2008, 8:58 pm 8:58 pm
The superdelegates will do what they think will benefit the party. This election is not just about winning the Whie House. Obama has built a much more powerful grassroots organization, because he has experience as an activist/organizer. If he is the nominee, those million-plus will hit the sidewalks campaigning not just for him, but all Democrats. Even if he fails to get the electoral votes to win, the party makes huge gains in Congress and state/local races. And has a youth movement to carry them in 2010 and 2012.
Posted by: rlpete2 | April 8, 2008, 8:59 pm 8:59 pm
omentum – Bet you can see the tire tracks from being run over so often.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | April 8, 2008, 8:59 pm 8:59 pm
In the face of losing by every measure, Clinton (and surrogates) now argue she is “leading” in states with a greater number of electoral votes–the only votes that will count in November. Frankly, her endless contortions and tortured interpretations of what “leading” means have become a source of daily amusement for me (but unfortunately a frustration for many.)
Moreover, if Clinton were genuinely concerned about voter’s rights to vote (MI, FL & remaining contests), she would see the huge irony in her electoral college argument: trying to skip past the voters in the delegate-oriented primary phase and give greater weight & meaning to the electoral college “voters” of the general election phase.
So far, Clinton has not even been able to run a presidential campaign without endless controversy, countless resignations and internal acrimony. And this woman wants to be President of our country?
A wise person once said: When a person tells you who they are, BELIEVE THEM!!!
I must agree.
Posted by: M | April 8, 2008, 8:59 pm 8:59 pm
Part of the reason Clinton gets asked is not a “double standard”, but because the press and the people recognize that she had all the advantages necessary to win. She racked up a huge lead in superdelegates before voting even began (a real champion of the “voice of the people”), had an enormous advantage in fundraising, party “machines” in key states, DLC backing, and a popular former President supporting her. She should have had a cake walk, even with the potential disadvantage of being a woman.
Instead, her campaign ran off the rails, ignored the caucuses and red states, treated the primary system as a coronation, and has used increasingly suspect dog-whistle politics. And people rejected her candidacy strongly enough that a freshman African American Senator without party ties has whupped her in state after state, and maintains a lead in every metric.
At this point, it is true that the only way she can win is to make Obama unelectable, but he’s too popular for little missteps to mess him up. She would have to ruin him, and everyone recognizes it. If she had run a fair and friendly yet competitive campaign, she’d already have lost. And if she tries to ruin him, there’s no way they can give her the nomination because more than half the party will reject her.
Posted by: Marla | April 8, 2008, 8:59 pm 8:59 pm
Why would you say we are not ready for an african American president I don’t believe that. why not just say we are not ready for Obama give me colin Powell any day .
Posted by: Bishop | April 8, 2008, 9:01 pm 9:01 pm
Marla – Obama can’t even win the democratic primary. Us Hillary supporters are holding him in check. And that’s not even counting republicans. Now, if were to lose who do you expect us to vote for?
Posted by: Dogsoldier | April 8, 2008, 9:01 pm 9:01 pm
omentum – Is that Obama’s “typical white person” grandmother?
Posted by: Dogsoldier | April 8, 2008, 9:03 pm 9:03 pm
The nomination of Senator Obama would be a huge mistake. There are things lurking in his background that will eventually come to light just as the Pastor Wright.
I believe the media has been complicit in the holding back of information to control the outcome of the primaries. That is why they were so taken aback when the New Hampshire primary supported Hillary Clinton. I was watching Chris Matthews interviewing some of his talking heads when the results came out.
Mr Robinson of the Washington Post started the race issue when he mentioned the ‘Bradley effect’. Chris Matthews went with the comment and the race issue blew up. Of course, they then blamed the infusion of the ‘race issue’ on Bill Clinton and then Hillary Clinton.
There is definitely bias in the media and a double standard. They constantly use positive words when talking about Obama’s errors and inflammatory words when referring to Hillary Clinton.
You only need to read the comments on the many blogs to know that the divide is very wide in the Democratic Party caused, in part, by this double standard.
Posted by: Louise | April 8, 2008, 9:04 pm 9:04 pm
It is truly appalling the way the media has handled this primary election! I predict it will go down in the history books and will be preached about in journalism schools as proof of our countries limited hold on a true democracy. I feel the way the MSM has handled this democratic primary borders on propaganda which favors Obama and demonizes Clinton. Also, I believe a new feminist moment will rise out of this truly disgusting show of misogyny.
If Obama gets the nomination it will be just as it is now for Bush- a low approval rating with all that use to support him slowly backing away. At least we know what we are getting with Clinton – a dedicated public servant that will get the job done.
Posted by: Andrea | April 8, 2008, 9:05 pm 9:05 pm
omentum – Hillary needs me more.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | April 8, 2008, 9:05 pm 9:05 pm
Gotta go.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | April 8, 2008, 9:06 pm 9:06 pm
Hillary never takes responsibility. If she Did it a couple of times she might see a big difference.
Posted by: Lauren | April 8, 2008, 9:14 pm 9:14 pm
It’s a double alright…..
Penn and Bill Clinton!! I’m kind of sick of Hillary creating such distractions. Her campaign has so darned much on her plate right now.
I Love Pennsylvania….lived there quite awhile. But if PA does not open their eyes to what is coming if Hillary (and Bill) are elected…..well then. Look, we all want jobs in Pennsylvania and in the other 49 states as well, but we cannot do it if people are not willing to open their eyes, learn about what trade really does mean to the Clintons ($$$$$$). If you’re like me, you’re getting tired of beating a dead horse.
Posted by: barbara miller | April 8, 2008, 9:15 pm 9:15 pm
When you are trying to take over a country you don’t give an inch to many radical’s in his life.so the left wingnuts are trying to take the party over I think it could be time for a third party in this country.
Posted by: Bishop | April 8, 2008, 9:16 pm 9:16 pm
Hillary is the only candidate who’s constistenly whining about something. It’s no doubt that in these past few weeks she’s had negative press – rightly so since bosnia was a whopper – but now she started whining last week that the BOYS were picking on her and so this weeks theme is the MEDIA and obama supporters picking on her.
I say: GROW UP. If you want to be treated equal than act it. STOP YOUR WHINING. You’re just trying to get the sympathy vote and we all know it. You just want the press to back off – guess what it just doesn’t work that way.
All of the candidates get the same press coverage in the end. Actually hillary, you end up with the most because of you and the way you run your campaign.
Posted by: jules0123 | April 8, 2008, 9:17 pm 9:17 pm
Here it comes … she is going to start playing the “poor, poor, pitiful me. Getting picked on by the media and everyone else” routine that was successful in New Hampshire and Texas, but boy I hope Pennsylvania and the other 9 states see through this. She is a piece of work.
Posted by: tinkerbee | April 8, 2008, 9:19 pm 9:19 pm
Hillary takes every punch the media gives her. Obama is all staged. From the enhanced photos, to the arranged American flags behind him, to the advanced advertisements of his new commercials-he really shouldn’t be spending the millions he is because the media coverage has been priceless. No tough questions for Barack which is ok because he can’t answer them anyway. I just wish someone other than SNL would question his absence from MLK day.
Posted by: RL in Illinois | April 8, 2008, 9:26 pm 9:26 pm
It’s laughable that Clinton would ever say this. I think the media treats her like a Queen. They bash Barack Obama every chance they get. Yes, I guess there is a double standard – but it’s in HER favor. When you tell one lie and another and finally get caught, I guess it will make it to the media.
Posted by: Magical | April 8, 2008, 9:26 pm 9:26 pm
By the way, whatever happened to the story about the so-called breaching of the Obama passport records? Remember the indignation, the breaking news? Then, not only did we find out that Clinton’s and McCains’ records had also been viewed, but, the breaching had been done by a contractor with ties to the Obama campaign.
Remember, it all served to distract the public from the Wright scandal. But that too hasn’t really disappeared. I’m thinking that in the privacy of the voting booth, people are just not going to want to take a chance on someone we really can’t trust.
It’s time to talk about the elephant in the room. Voters – in the privacy of the voting booth – have the opportunity to weigh in for the first time since the scandal broke on whether THEY think Obama can be trusted. The media has tried to “turn the page”, let’s see if the voters have.
Posted by: s. valenti | April 8, 2008, 9:26 pm 9:26 pm
Thank God she said it or the media would have never caught on. They are so blinded by their efforts to build Obama into their generation’s JFK never mind that he is nothing like him and actually isn’t even good enough to hold JFK’s coat tails. The media likes narratives and thats what narrative they decided to go with no matter if its fair or not. I hate everything about todays media. They choice sides and it didn’t use to be like that. I think the government should do something about this “propaganda being feed to us. Where is the stories about Obama lying to use about his involvement with Rezko? Where is the story about Frank, his mentor that was a card carrying communist? Where are the stories about his friendship with William Ayers? YOu know there is a bias when there is big news stories to cover and they choose not to.
Posted by: Harley | April 8, 2008, 9:27 pm 9:27 pm
Kim,
Obama may give that message to precinct captains, but the “kneecapping” of Clinton occurs at a much higher level – and it’s very strategic.
Posted by: s. valenti | April 8, 2008, 9:29 pm 9:29 pm
She just absolutely cannot make a statement or a speech in this campaign without taking some sort of shot at Obama. This time he wants to disenfranchise voters in upcoming contests. Please. Spin it grrrl. She was ready to write off every state post super Tues. and still writes of the importance of most of the western states now.
The point is he is ahead and will almost surely stay that way in pledged delegates. He has gained about 60 supers since super Tues and she has a net loss of. Naturally since she won Ohio nothing else matters though.
He will make 2024 by early June. Her and Bill will have to realize that Slick Willy doesn’t get a third term.
Posted by: Bademus | April 8, 2008, 9:33 pm 9:33 pm
Oh, and I am not only an Obama supporter and chairperson, I am a 37-year-old single mom, and am white and live in central PA. I believe in Obama and his message. I have been following politics since I was old enough to understand the difference between the parties. I have worked for, rooted for, and voted for many democratic candidates. Yet, I have never felt so inspired… I am not a person who falls for rhetoric, or hasn’t researched the issues- I am not a blind follower. Obama is right for this time, this country and this world. We need to stop the division. I know how much Hillary supporters love her and want her to win. I feel the same way about Obama. It is more important that the PARTY win in November, however. We must put our personal feelings and preferences aside, at least by the general election. I truly hope that we can unite as a party no matter which one of our talented and intelligent candidates gets the nod. No more years of war and division…
Posted by: Kim | April 8, 2008, 9:35 pm 9:35 pm
Are people forgetting that for a year Hillary Clinton was declared the inevitable winner of the Democratic nomination before anyone even voted. For an entire year the media presented her as the crowned one. And now that she’s behind in pledged delegates and the popular vote she wants to cry about some perceived double standard. She mismanaged her campaign. That’s why she’s behind. She has tons of baggage. That’s why she’s behind. I think the media has been kind to her. They helped her by pushing this idea that she has vast amounts of experience. Only recently have they looked into her claims. The media has largely avoided going into all the Clinton’s scandals of the pass. She has only herself and her poorly managed campaign to blame for her current situation.
Posted by: kings2beat | April 8, 2008, 9:35 pm 9:35 pm
I appreciate you all telling me to get off the script, but you see, I won’t. It is the script that this campaign believes in, and to speak otherwise would just further the divisions between two candidates with similar platforms who need to unite against the Republicans in November. What has division gotten us but 8 years of Bush? We Dems need to stop shooting ourselves in the foot. There is too much at stake with this war, and the economy, etc to turn our back on a common enemy to fight each other.
Posted by: Kim | April 8, 2008, 9:41 pm 9:41 pm
There is a double standard, and women know it because we live it every day of our lives. “Hillary has to win ugly” is a sexist statement. Obama is the candidate who sent out a 4 page memo before the SC primary with how to peg the Clintons as racist talking points. Obama is the candidate who has his surrogates call for Hillary to quit, and then Obama says Hillary has his permission to stay in the race. Obama is the candidate who has not had any of his Arab ties examined by the media. Everything Hillary or Bill does is parsed by the media, examined in tiny detail, to the point of nausea. We don’t get daily updates of Michelle Obama’s activities and connecitons. It is blatant sexism and women aren’t watching MSNBC or CNN anymore because it’s just Hillary bashing. Look at all the posters who call Hillary ugly, shrill, a liar, and other hateful words. Sexism is okay, racism is not okay. Total double standard. Hillary is correct. Neither of them have the delegates to win the primary. Look at the RULES OF THE CONVENTION. Obamanations like rules, follow the rules of the convention and stop whining. Obama is the only candidate who can be losing an upcoming primary in PA and the media are spinning it as a win. “Obama wins if he loses by 8-10 points”. That is a double standard.
Posted by: rs | April 8, 2008, 9:41 pm 9:41 pm
Sorry, power – Women have got one up on you – Men have ruled since the beginning of this country and have screwed things up over and over. It’s the woman’s turn and I think Hillary haters are afraid that the woman is going to be more successful than any man ever was. It is your fear. Get over it. Hillary has won this election. Accepting it now will make it much easier for you come January 2009.
Don’t hate, appreciate
Posted by: Jenny | April 8, 2008, 9:42 pm 9:42 pm
Actually, Jenny- I am a strong, independent woman, and I am not sure how statements like yours help your candidate’s position…
Posted by: Kim | April 8, 2008, 9:45 pm 9:45 pm
I think Hillary has had the tougher time in the media. But I don’t think the media is to blame. If the media had gone at Hillary as tough as they could have, her campaign would be over. I think the media gave her some rope and she hung herself with more lies, flip-flops, etc.
Obama hasn’t made nearly as many mistakes and has run a better campaign. When Obama started, the media gave him no chance. Hillary was “inevitable” for about a year. So Hillary enjoyed quite an easy ride until she screwed up.
Posted by: CWatson | April 8, 2008, 9:45 pm 9:45 pm
Why is it that every time Sen. Clinton is interviewed she gets attacked?? Yes, there is a double standard here. Obama did not request a re-vote for the Michigan voters AND his entire resume backs “voters rights” YET he is prejudiced against the voters of Florida and Michigan as if they were from “another country” another planet OR another religion. Why did OBama NOT support re-votes for Americans in Florida and Michigan!! Obama does NOT desrve to be the DEm Candidate since HE does NOT support voters in Florida and Michigan. BOO OBAMA and his suppoters have no integrity since they did not enforce VOTERS RIGHTS for FLORIDA and MICHIGAN. I say that thes two states should boycott OBAMA in NOvember.. What goes around…comes around…..
Posted by: DaneNM | April 8, 2008, 9:48 pm 9:48 pm
It is so true, the press slams the Clintons every chance they get. Obama and his wife slam the United States of America for over 20 years and people still think he will make a good president. Go Figure
There is no way I would ever vote for Obama, the man shouldn’t even be running. Hilary all the way, if not Hilary, McCain.
Posted by: Decided | April 8, 2008, 9:49 pm 9:49 pm
Glad you’re a strong Independent woman – We need more of those and we need more role models for women, starting with a woman President.
Posted by: Jenny | April 8, 2008, 9:50 pm 9:50 pm
RS,
Wah, wah, wah. Clinton has to win ugly because all the “pretty” opportunities passed long ago, when she wasted her huge leads and status as the prohibited favorite. Her flawed strategy and ineffecient management of her campaign, not to mention her failure to manage the conflicting personalities of her staff. Winning ugly is a pertinent term because she has to rely on superdelegates to override the elected delegates and popular, not to mention by using her self-described “kitchen sink” methods. You can play the gender card to your heart’s content, but the fact is Hillary is not losing because she’s a woman. She’s losing because she’s THE WRONG WOMAN.
Posted by: Vision Quest | April 8, 2008, 9:51 pm 9:51 pm
I just tuned in and I see:
Kim is making some good points. Keep it up.
Posted by: The Commander Guy | April 8, 2008, 9:52 pm 9:52 pm
Let’s keep to the facts: she’s not losing. She’s our next President and women will finally have representation for their issues.
Posted by: Jenny | April 8, 2008, 9:53 pm 9:53 pm
HRC calls the stratagey ” I win”
Rules?..”ah yes, rules”..
HRC responds, “yes, of course;”the rules continue to change until I win”.
Posted by: Sam Russo | April 8, 2008, 9:53 pm 9:53 pm
Looks like the paid Obama bloggers are in full force for this article. Kim and The Commander Guy seem to be one in the same. I love how these young boys pose are women to try to convince women Hillary supporters to vote for Obama.
Your game is almost over. PA is your deathbed.
Posted by: Jenny | April 8, 2008, 9:55 pm 9:55 pm
I love the “If not Hillary, McCain” and the “if not Obama, McCain”
Since Clinton and Obama agree on the war, the economy and the supreme court, what is the issue that would make anyone in their right mind choose McCain. At least have the nerve to vote 3rd party or write in your candidate before voting for a guy who opposes everything you stand for. It is these remarks which make me believe that most of the anti Clinton and anti-Obama people are really just McCain people trying to sow dissent in the Democratic party. Don’t fall for it people. Defeat McCain at all costs.
Posted by: Jim B | April 8, 2008, 9:57 pm 9:57 pm
just so we’re all aware, john edwards, joe biden, bill richardson; not a ONE of them has the delegates to win this thing. silly people, they should have screamed for a few more months about double standards and played whatever card it is they could lay claim to and stayed in, using that fouled logic.
Posted by: mlb | April 8, 2008, 10:01 pm 10:01 pm
Hillary Clinton blah blah cheats deceives lies changes the rules blah blah bad blah dishonest blah blah entitlement mentality blah blah don’t vote for her blah blah changes the rules blah blah doesn’t get it blah blah blah has already lost blah blah husband blah blah Penn blah blue dress blah blah
Posted by: asphinctersayswhat | April 8, 2008, 10:02 pm 10:02 pm
Obama has received a free pass and even when he is under some kind of scrutiny ,he gets plenty of time to prepare speeches and a plan to face reporters ,which seldom ask him direct questions and when they do it is not a tough line of them.
Obama has truly a silk cushion floating under him.One however that is not related to the magic carpet.
No free ride to the white house Obama .
Posted by: Elle | April 8, 2008, 10:03 pm 10:03 pm
If only Clinton had the dirty Rezcko, Ayers, Oprah, Soros, and Palestinian money, she would be well on her way, wouldn’t she? Well, actually Obama outspent her 4 to 1 in OH and TX and look where that got him? double digit loss! Same goes for PA — people here are very sick of seeing his face on tv…
Posted by: Jenny | April 8, 2008, 10:03 pm 10:03 pm
VisionQuest: There are a lot of democrats who would vote for a black man, just not that black man…it doesn’t sound so nice when sexist statements are turned into racist statements. Hillary never had a lead, could never be the appointed candidate because she is a woman. Iowa has never elected a woman to any public office! Hillary was behind from the start just by being a woman. The fact that Hillary has gotten this far, in spite of the media and the idiots of the DNC throwing the kitchen sink against her, shows the strength she has as a candidate for the people. Obama is a PUPPET CANDIDATE BEING CONTROLLED BY HIS PUPPET MASTERS..David Axelrod, Kennedy, Kerry, Dean, Pelosi, Rezko…there are so, so many who will be pulling the strings of Obamapuppet…
Posted by: rs | April 8, 2008, 10:04 pm 10:04 pm
I will never understand why women can’t accept that we DO need someone who is strong on women’s issues; who gets educational needs, who understands the crisis we are in with child care, how single parent homes are in dire straits, how we need to encourage our children to do the next right thing; someone who has the strength of conviction to expect and maintain a standard of attendance to their marital vows, someone who cares deeply about EVERY person EQUALLY, someone who would never trade their integrity for votes.
Posted by: mary | April 8, 2008, 10:07 pm 10:07 pm
Hillary knows damn well the decision of Michigan not to count the votes was made because they moved their primary up to January was in violation of the rules of the DNC. Moreover, the commission that made that decision included her CHIEF CAMPAIGN MANAGER – HAROLD ICKES. Now, she “forgets” that. What a schemer!
Posted by: jbate | April 8, 2008, 10:10 pm 10:10 pm
Kim – Good to know. I’m an “Independent” who in the past has despised this type of politics enough to vote for Ralph Nader for the last 3 Presidential elections. As far as I’m concerned, this primary has been rigged by the caucus cheating, the DNC not applying the same rules they used on FL & MI to SC & NV (who also voted early), the harrassing of African American Superdelegates (calling them Uncle Tom if they don’t go for Obama), the media bias not giving fair coverage of press conferences/policy statement to all candidates, etc. If the nomination is stolen in this fashion, there will be a massive grass-roots write-in campaign (already in the works) for Hillary Clinton. Imagine: FL & MI are already upset at Obama – those states will go for Hillary big time as a backlash. Clinton will win all the large states she already won (OH, CA, NY, soon to be PA, etc., etc.) – the public will absolutely vote for Hillary as a write-in to show the Media and the DNC that they cannot select the nominee for them. Watch and see.
Posted by: Jenny | April 8, 2008, 10:11 pm 10:11 pm
That huge advertising discrepancy in OH and TX enabled Obama to go from 20+ point deficits in both states to 10% in OH and getting more of the TX delegates. That was HRC’s last real opportunity to cut into his delegate lead. We are seeing the same thing in PA. 20+ points down to double digits. If she keeps pushing those fictitious stories, Obama may actually catch her there. Viva la revolucion!!
Posted by: Vision Quest | April 8, 2008, 10:12 pm 10:12 pm
Sorry – Obama didn’t win TX – Do we vote in caucuses in November? No, we vote by secret ballot. Hillary won by secret ballot in the TX primary. In addition, there was widespread cheating by the Obama campaign in the caucses which was caught on video and is currently being reviewed by the court systems…
Posted by: Jenny | April 8, 2008, 10:14 pm 10:14 pm
Obama can not buy the election and by the way PA Clinton 56 % Obama 38 % Survey USA Poll out today .
Posted by: Elle | April 8, 2008, 10:15 pm 10:15 pm
The double standard is in the ways in which OBama and Hillary have been treated by the media.
Obama has been catered to like a new toy which , if he makes a mistake or miscues on a speech or travels with the enemy…..is given permission to slip slide his way out of the mess with sweet talk and and a teflon vest.
Nothing he does ever requires being reprimanded by the press.
Hillary has been around longer; her past is not as empty as Obama’s…. so
although she has a much stronger record of accomplishment than he does, she can be slipped up by stuff that happened twenty years ago…. about the time Barry was being toilet trained.
If Barack doesn’t want his picture taken, it’s news. If Michelle wears a white shirt rather than a dark one,that’s great for an editorial. If he smiles at the horizon…. that’s good for a photo op.
But the stories about Rezko and the extended donations he made to Obama’s election funds, and the monies he gave to Barack while his tenants were living their winters in unheated apartments in his broken down tenements in B O’s district because he didn’t have any more money….. could get buried really and truly fast.
And his competition could never mention Mr Wright because that was politically incorrect and unmentionable by the media really and truly fast.
Meantime, the only time Hillary was mentioned was when one of her campaigners did something wrong or when Bill tried to stick up for her.
So little was mentioned about what a strong. substantive speaker she is, and how she truly DID accomplish a lot, and how she is committed to helping our country during thes next very messy years, thanks to Bush and Cheney (who ought to be impeached!!!)
The media has been more than unfair to Hillary; they have been short sighted and small minded. What ever happened to the ethics of the original fourth estate?
And in the blogs, she has demeaned and reviled and slandered. Some of the posts, of course are good… on both sides… but there are a hell of a lot of mean spirited stupid people out there who, I think, follow the media in so far as they can read and understand it.
And you guys….. HELLO UP THERE, I mean YOU… the keepers of these blogs… are not setting a very good example.
Posted by: EYES OPEN | April 8, 2008, 10:16 pm 10:16 pm
Jenny- I am sorry to say that many dienfranchised youth and black voters will do the same if the election is “stolen” from Obama, as they would perceive it. I wish we could all be together as one party again, committed to fighting agianst this war, globalization, big oil and pharaceuticals and everything else the Republican agenda is behind. It doesn’t matter how much I love my candidate, or how hard I have worked for the campaign, I will never stay home or cast my vote for a republican or a non-viable third party. No more Bush years. All I want is unity and cooperation. We may feel differently about which candidate is best able to achieve that, but we have to agree that our only chance to straighten out Bush’s mess is a Democrat…
Posted by: Kim | April 8, 2008, 10:17 pm 10:17 pm
Keep believing that about the advertising. Obama really screwed up in OH with his NAFTA lie and his misleading mailers/radio ads. Ohioans don’t like being lied to. Remember how Obama started doing his little roundtable sessions in Ohio for the first time? It’s because he couldn’t draw the crowds there. He had to bus people in from MICHIGAN for a televised Toledo rally because he couldn’t get enough people in NE Ohio! ha ha He won only 5 counties out of 88 in OHIO. Guess the demographic of those counties?
Posted by: Jenny | April 8, 2008, 10:19 pm 10:19 pm
I agree with the caucus process in Texas.The horror stories reported not only in Texas.Sign up sheets missing,no Id verification in some and pressure while in line.People signing list numerous time and the people coming forward with information of cheating is staggering.Nothing democratic or fair about the caucus process.
Goof thing this is not the path to the presidency in the general election.
Posted by: Elle | April 8, 2008, 10:20 pm 10:20 pm
Oh really, caucus impropriety, just like the bogus calls Bubba Clinton made in Nevada (“The culinary union is strong arming its members!”). This is a delegate race and Obama did what he had to do in Texas: take more delegates, period. Hillary can’t whine herself to the nomination. She can try all the legal shenanigans she wants, but it won’t work.
Elle, that’s a great poll- too bad it contradicts every other major poll out there. Do you honestly think HRC is opening up her lead after all of the lies which have been revealed over the past couple weeks (Bosnia sniper fire, anti-Columbia trade agreement, Dead OH mom healthcare story…). You are hoping against hope my friend.
Posted by: Vision Quest | April 8, 2008, 10:21 pm 10:21 pm
Kim – All I can say is that I’m so happy I will not have to vote for Ralph Nader again for this Presidential election. Hillary Clinton will be on my ballot either way…
I agree with you about the Repubs. Interesting that back in 1991 when I tried to find my 1st job out of college, we were in a recession and war – very difficult to find a job! Our President was Bush I. During the Clinton years, I thrived – had a great job, very high pay, lots of promotions. Was laid off in the dot com bust of 2001. Now we’re in a recession and war with Bush II. Very very interesting how history repeats itself!
Posted by: Jenny | April 8, 2008, 10:24 pm 10:24 pm
Short circuiting the nomination by any means, if the contest is tight and there’s no clear winner in sight, is in itself, not just an intent to do away with the rules of the nominating contest, but an attack to the democratic principles our election is based on.
Both candidates should be encouraged to stay in the race if we’re to respect the right of all voters to be heard.
It’s disillusioning to hear the Obama camp pressure Hillary to withdraw. If voters wanted Obama, it would have given him the requisite number of delegates. Since the voters did not, Obama has to fight in the remaining states to win it. He’s expecting a coronation for winning early caucuses and primaries.
We want to see this contest decided by the voters, delegates and superdelegates if need be.
Posted by: Yotin | April 8, 2008, 10:25 pm 10:25 pm
Temper, temper, just the same ol’ Hillary. The media is only stressing what voters feel. Senator Clinton and her Camp should blame Senator Clinton, not the press, for all the ugliness she brings on herself. The media is simply reporting her shocking behaviors.
Posted by: Bill B | April 8, 2008, 10:26 pm 10:26 pm
Elle- as an Obama supporter- I have to agree that the TX system was overwhelmed, and as a result, a catastrophe. I have heard stories from Hillary supporters saying that Obama supporters were cheating, and I have heard stories form Obama supporters, alleging the same about Hillary supporters. The caucus was totally overwhelmed by the amount of Democratic turnout, and as silly as this may seem to an avid supporter of either candidate, that is a GOOD thing! When dems turn out in record numbers that totally overwhelm the party organization in a red state, it is a good sign for Democrats. Whether because of Senator Obama, or Senator Clinton, we are energized and ready to take on the republicans in the fall. We need to unite behind whichever of our two talented candidates gets the nomination and knock the socks off of the red states like TX.
Posted by: Kim | April 8, 2008, 10:26 pm 10:26 pm
Elle
People Love the Caucus. Love it.
But the Caucus favors the candidate with the:
1) most likability
2) most committed supporters; and /or
3) the best organization and management skills.
So Hillary fans hate the caucus system because they go 0 for 3 here.
Either you are ready on Day One or you are not.
Hillary was not Ready on Day one. Facts Hurt. But They are Still the Facts.
Posted by: The Commander Guy | April 8, 2008, 10:27 pm 10:27 pm
Poll ratings may be a media tool and an irrevalent messure to keep focus on the pace of the race,however the fact that there are polls contradicting eachother should only put into light that the outcome in PA will be with the voter and they will shine upon Hillary as she is the best qualified candidate .
Posted by: Elle | April 8, 2008, 10:27 pm 10:27 pm
HILLARY IS READY TO LIE ON DAY ONE!
Posted by: jbate | April 8, 2008, 10:28 pm 10:28 pm
She is loosing in Pa so now she has to turn the lime light onto something else.She is not happy unless she is b—-ing about something and taking the spot light off herself.Look at what is going on in this country who care about the mediaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.Least of our worries,the cult, the beatings rapes the gals beating up a 16 year old and taping it.Does that telyou what a freaken mess thsi world is in…
Posted by: h | April 8, 2008, 10:28 pm 10:28 pm
According to the ASSOCIATED PRESS dated today, “in 2005, the former president Bill Clinton was paid $800,000 by Gold Service International, a Bogota-based business development group, for four days of appearances in Mexico, Colombia and Brazil. The group supports, among other things, the Colombia Free Trade Agreement”. And quite logically, he supports the free trade treaty with Colombia, that Hillary officially opposes. If this is not CORRUPTION, can some body tell me what it is???
Posted by: Mark Webb | April 8, 2008, 10:28 pm 10:28 pm
It is really hard to comprehend that you have no idea, visionquest, that the person you support has some serious issues. I can’t understand that some of the things coming out about obama does not bother you? Did you see his performance today at the hearings? Are you not the least bit concerned that he may not be able to handle the highest job in our country? Maybe you feel it in your gut but not willing to admit it yet. You don’t need to be reminded about all of his shady dealings and relationships with questionable people. You know all of that. Maybe it’s just your pride now? Stubborness? You know your candidate is not what’s best for this country.
Posted by: Jenny | April 8, 2008, 10:29 pm 10:29 pm
Really Obama supporters would either one of you just walk away before the end of the race? Of course not and neither will Hiliary. The truth is Obama can’t win the general election for th most obvious of reasons.
If anyone should quit it should be him. The fact that the Republicans are bank rolling his campaign so they can laugh all the way back to the White House is their own little private joke.
Ultimately, Obama will be put back it his place. If enough people actually fall for “the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow” that Obama and is spouting we all will end up in continued Republican hell. It does not matter what the polls say the truth is Obama cannot win. The polls simply are not representative of the majority of the voters.
Posted by: winning0853 | April 8, 2008, 10:29 pm 10:29 pm
She is right there is a double standard and a big one. No one can say that Obama has not made many errors, gaffs or whatever but the media only covers it once and then leave it alone.
In Hillary’s case the media makes you sick of it, its played constantly, they open their shows with it, they blog it over and over the media just gives it legs and keeps it going.
I have no problem with that but the interest has to be shared equally so that viewers can get the same heads up on things that surrounds the other candidates.
Obama has a list of unchecked questions and am sure McCain does also but its always lets get Hillary dirt that seems to drive the media. Why is that is it because she is a woman, or is it because they want her out, there must be a reason for this constant attack at her and I am sure its not because they want to make sure the people just have ALL the information about her before they vote.
Posted by: SJ | April 8, 2008, 10:30 pm 10:30 pm
Great interview with NPR. Clinton’s right – why isn’t Obama asked if he’s trying to win ugly by vetoing a Michigan re-vote and then having his surrogates agitate for her to drop out with ten primaries left? Now that’s ugly. Neither candidate can win without superdelegates and a lot can happen between now and the end of August. Let’s not foreget, it’s Obama’s longtime benefactor, political fixer Tony Rezko who’s on trial in Chicago right now for extortion and influence peddling. What if an indictment comes out of that and Obama’s led away in handcuffs AFTER Clinton’s withdrawn from the race and allowed him to pick up all the subsequent pledged delegates? This seems more and more like a set-up by both party establishments. I think Pelosi, Reid and Dean want Clinton out because Obama is a losing proposition in the fall, something which will insure their control of the party. If on the other hand she wins, Clinton’s liable to remove these ineffective leaders from their high perches. For an article that discusses how these primaries are being manipulated, click on my screen name.
Posted by: Factcheck2 | April 8, 2008, 10:30 pm 10:30 pm
Do caucuses also take into account that not all americans may attend at late hours.? Do they not represent voting practices that are more easily falsified ?
I believe you know the answer .
Posted by: Elle | April 8, 2008, 10:30 pm 10:30 pm
Senator Obama has run a brillant campaign and that is a large number of people to command.
Senator Clinton’s campaign has been one disaster after another.
If she can’t lead 1000 people, then how can she expect to lead 300 million?
Posted by: 1962ottumwa | April 8, 2008, 10:32 pm 10:32 pm
I know a lot of people don’t want Obama to be president, but it appears that there are more people who do. I guess he would be unelectable, if it weren’t for all those darn people who keep voting for him!
Posted by: jock59801 | April 8, 2008, 10:33 pm 10:33 pm
The problem with the people who voted for Obama in the primaries ,is that their vote won’t be enough to pull out a presidency in November.
Posted by: Elle | April 8, 2008, 10:36 pm 10:36 pm
Jenny- I hear you! the 90′s were good years economically. I graduated from college in 1990, worked for various local hospitals and went to work for the federal government in 1997. Those were great time for us! However, Bush and his cronies came along and destroyed it. That is why we need a Dem back in office. More power to you and we’ll be on the same side come August!
Kim
Posted by: Kim | April 8, 2008, 10:38 pm 10:38 pm
Hillary knows damn well the decision of Michigan not to count the votes was made because they moved their primary up to January was in violation of the rules of the DNC. Moreover, the commission that made that decision included her CHIEF CAMPAIGN MANAGER – HAROLD ICKES. Now, she “forgets” that. What a schemer!
Posted by: jbate | April 8, 2008, 10:38 pm 10:38 pm
Does anyone believe that Hillary could of gotten away with saying she lived in a foreign land when she was 6-10, or that she went to Pakistan when she was in college so that makes her the best candidate for president on foreign policy.
No way would the media accept that nonsense, neither would they have accepted if Bill’s pastor was a nut like Wright, or if Bill went around the place saying America has faults and its a evil place.
Even today would the media accept if Hillary was saying she don’t mind talking to Iran, or acted as if she wanted to take the Generals head off in that session today. This would of been on all the news asking her to explain what she said or they would of been demanding a explanation as to why she acted as if she wanted to pick a fight with the General under the trying circumstances of Iraq.
These are just simply thing that the media lets pass with Obama, but they will never allow that with Hillary
Posted by: SJ | April 8, 2008, 10:39 pm 10:39 pm
media practitioners know about the conspiratorial move of the conglomerate media like CNN,MNBC CBS, and the GMA of ABC about their comments/views favoring Obama. Hillary just said the obvious thing that these people ignored and are hiding in the clause of free speech but actually campaigning for Obama. Hillary supporters have been pushing them to play fair , give the playing field an open space and give the public an informed chance for decision. Otherwise, there could not have been a rising star out of a media hype they created for Obama. When damaging issues erupted ( thanks to Fox News who surprisingly become a credible and independent reprots) about Obama’s shady relationships back in his Chicago political arena as well as his pastor fiery remarks, the public was aware how the media suppressed these facts and abdicate their sworn duties and ethical standards of journalism for the sake of maintaining the star of Obama. So, Hillary is out now, speaking the minds of the public and we thank her for bringing this issues because we need a media to help us informed and aware of the facts that Obama camp has been hiding.
Posted by: asb | April 8, 2008, 10:39 pm 10:39 pm
Many of those “darn people” who voted for Obama did so before they knew about the myriad issues like Rezko, NAFTAgate, Rev. Wright, Ayers, Exelon, paid lobbyists, et al.
Posted by: Emily | April 8, 2008, 10:40 pm 10:40 pm
This is her whole problem why keep complaining about everything! Why wont she just campaign and raise money for her campaign so she can compete!
Posted by: smash | April 8, 2008, 10:42 pm 10:42 pm
Wow, Jenny. You are more insightful than my shrink. I will admit, I am filled with pride, but my support of Obama is based on my belief that he has that rare ability to lead the country into a period of prolonged progress without the endless partisan deadlock and BS. I’m not saying that republicans will love him and join the parade, but he can secure a working majority to get things done. I trust his judgement- even his judgement with regards to pastors and friends. I believe he will put the American people first. HRC is indebted to so many interests. She can’t do that. I respect her a lot, but I don’t think she’s the one.
Posted by: Vision Quest | April 8, 2008, 10:43 pm 10:43 pm
So true Emily, and as fas as my belief will carry me ,the people of the remaining states will set the record straight for all the voters who had no knowledge of Rezko,Wright,Nafta ect and their voice will carry out loud soundly.
Posted by: Elle | April 8, 2008, 10:44 pm 10:44 pm
Jenny – Yes, this is all a vast conspiracy against you and your candidate.
I have never gotten any “talking points” from anyone, and I have never criticized Clinton. I like her and I think she would be a good president. I just like Obama better.
Posted by: jock59801 | April 8, 2008, 10:45 pm 10:45 pm
From: Emily Many of those “darn people” who voted for Obama did so before they knew about the myriad issues like Rezko, NAFTAgate, Rev. Wright, Ayers, Exelon, paid lobbyists, et al
Some Clinton people want there votes back after all lies!
Posted by: smash | April 8, 2008, 10:45 pm 10:45 pm
You want an ex-con for a CO-PRESIDENT? Bill Clinton has been reduced to a pathetic figure unable to complete a sentence without a reference to himself. Too bad to see that Hillary has adopted this same posture. And as for Hillary’s face, I am reminded of a book I read as a child: “The Portrait of Dorian Gray.” All of the ugliness of his sins caught up with him. Even though he is an ex-convict (lying to federal grand jury, obstruction of justice, and even though he had his license to practice law stripped from him, and even though he no longer has public employees (Arkansas Highway Patrol) running him to see his many “mistresses, even after Monica Lewinsky, Jennifer Flowers and a host of others, many Americans still supported him, but not any more. He us now the BFF of Bush senior and his intent is just to make money.
Posted by: jbate | April 8, 2008, 10:45 pm 10:45 pm
There is more that the media is not bringing to the public. Papers that were written by Obama’s father I saw some on the net today. Obama’s father was another individual with weird views, all this information out there and they only way to find it is via blogs or others telling you about it.
I have no idea why the media keeps all this hidden, there is a thing like investigative reporting and it should be done, they take their time to find out all stories about Hillary but take a pause when it comes to Obama.
Id Obama not running for president also so they should be just as interested in letting their readers know the information that is what they are there for to inform the public and let us make up our own minds, not try to steer us into their line of thinking.
Posted by: SJ | April 8, 2008, 10:46 pm 10:46 pm
o- Hillary has plenty of support from her constituents and fellow pols from the great State of New York. Of the 42 superdelegates from NY, all but one are committed to supporting her, no matter what.
Posted by: Emily | April 8, 2008, 10:47 pm 10:47 pm
To all those dumping on Hillary and calling her a liar: She says neither she nor Obama can win outright with only the designated delegates won through the caucuses and primaries. Is that true or not?
So with millions of voters who have yet to vote, why should Obama or Clinton be asked to quit? And why is only one of the two being asked to quit?
We fight wars overseas in order to establish democracy; with unbounded sanctimony, we preach to the likes of Castro, Putin, Mugabe, Chavez, etc., etc., to hold clean and transparent elections. Yet, here in the U. S. of A., Obama supporters seek to deprive folks in FL, MI, NC, W.VA, etc., from voting.
Is this what is wrapped up in the idea of “new politics, change and hope?” SteveA.
Posted by: SteveA. | April 8, 2008, 10:49 pm 10:49 pm
Who’s Greasing Pockets?
All in two to three days, Clinton says, Obama is wrong for attracting more campaign dollars, being ahead in the polls, and the Clinton substandard campaign management.
Victim card. I don’t feel it’s about her gender. I DO feel it’s a bad example of leadership.
She lacks in elect-ability, easily seen in polling, votes, primaries, caucuses, debates, and facts.
This marks the second time this year she has accused the media of playing favorites.
Reaching for the victim card is not a good example of someone who would be Commander in Chief.
Maybe, she should just listen.
Maybe, she’s not as popular as she felt Hillary was entitled to be.
Maybe, she’ll bully her way through.
Maybe, she’ll…
Posted by: Gregory | April 8, 2008, 10:49 pm 10:49 pm
SteveA – Nobody is being asked to quit. Hillary has every right to continue through the primaries. And we have every right to do the math and point out that she can’t catch up to Obama by then. It’s just an observation. The voters will decide.
Posted by: jock59801 | April 8, 2008, 10:53 pm 10:53 pm
I agree with most of the comments on here. She’s not making any sense at all anymore. I think the lines of reality and fiction are so blurred for her that she doesn’t know anymore when she’s speaking truth and when she’s lying.
I still can’t figure out who is supporting her based on what we’ve seen of her character?
My thoughts on this is that she’s about to play the sympathy card (how’s that for feminism) to get momentum back her way a little bit.
Every time she crosses the line on something she does this to bring things back in.
I used to feel sorry for the Clintons. Now I’m just angry and ready for them to leave public life. They have done such a disservice to our country and have tarnished any remaining legacy they once had.
Posted by: JW | April 8, 2008, 10:54 pm 10:54 pm
Iam absolutly disgusted by the biased reporting of the media! Gender bias is still alive and unhealthy, in ways that are hard to believe, and even harder to change! You can stick your heads in the sand, but Hillary has the most experience and is best qualified, but you guys are so scared of having a woman President, you’ll do anything to stop her! Obama enjoys likening himself to Bobby Kennedy, who tells it like it is and says that Hillary is most like his father; there for the poor, the deserving, the old, for those that need the health care and the tax breaks…but the rich don’t want to hear, hense the “witch-hunt”!
See the truth for yourselves: Obama does not want to take a chance of losing, so he denies Florida and Michigan voters their rights in the primaries.
There are 10 more primaries to go, with millions of people still to vote. Yet, Obama supporters are saying she should drop out and hand the election to him, before the campaign ends. He has a 1% lead, which is nothing!
Hillary and Obama need the superdelegates votes to be able to win. The only way Obama could win is for Hillary to drop out and, regardless of his supporters, it will not happen! Hillary has pointed out, several times, how the media always asks her about her need for superdelegates, but never ask Obama the same question.But she remains calm, dignified and in control. You know, I honestly think we will see Hillary as the first woman President!
Posted by: Di | April 8, 2008, 10:54 pm 10:54 pm
Mrs. Clinton: Oh I saw what you said about having the elector lead – therefore – forget that Obama leads you in so many other ways, that in fact you should be selected to run against McClain…unfortunately HRC, Electoral Votes do not count in this portion of the completion…you MUST prove your qualifications at this level before moving on – you CAN NOT skip these requirements – no matter the reason.
LET’S STICK TO THE FACTS:
Clinton & Obama agreed that the votes in MI & FL would not count, that they would respect the rules as established by the DNC….Feb 5th came, Clinton then says those votes should count. FUNNY WE DID NOT HEAR THIS until AFTER her numbers were on the low end.
Barack has all along done what said ‘he will follow what the DNC recommends’. This fact has not changed.
Need I ask if it were reverse, would she be fighting for Obama to get those same votes?
Now Clinton is BLAMING him for FL & MI?
Blaming Obama for her FLIP-FLOPPING, for her NOT being loyal to the agreement she signed OF HER OWN FREE WILL. It is Clinton who is [TRYING TO] change the rules, not Obama.
In case she missed it, he’s running for POUS, just like her. Dean is the head of the DNC not Obama. By the way Obama does not have the power to change the situation with FL and/or MI, [nor does Clinton].
Early on with regard to Obama, she went on and on about how he always spoke as if ‘the sky would open up and the sun would shine – making the world so pretty’ [my phrasing used here]. I say if she believes what she says about him having the power to make that decision regarding FL & MI; that he can just give his OK and there will be a re-vote, then she too believes that ‘the sky will open up, etc…].
However she does not believe this, this is JUST another game for her. JUST another way to divide. Yet I have a feeling that ‘some’ people will believe her – just as some ‘still’ believe that he is Muslim.
I’VE YET TO HEAR ANYONE ASK:
1 Why did you change your mind with regard to FL & MI?
2 What caused you to change your mind?
3 Why do you blame Obama for your own doing?
4 Why aren’t you telling the truth, that FL & MI voters will get to vote, and more than likely, the SD’s will be seated, that Obama is not against the voters. Were that true, then once again –you be as guilty!
5 Why won’t you agree to a 50/50 split – after all, the [illegal] votes, according to the rules of the DNC – don’t count?
6 Why do you say that you won FL & MI – when the votes, according to the rules of the DNC – do not count?
7 What part of this equals you following the rules of the DNC?
What really gets me is that ‘some’ of the media outlets that also include Clinton’s count in their ‘official’ calculations. They do not respect the rules of the DNC either. Instead of telling it like it ‘really’ is; they are allowing Clinton to call the shots in this regard.
Posted by: tealwomin | April 8, 2008, 10:55 pm 10:55 pm
Hillary can’t win the general election for one good reason – she won’t be in it.
Posted by: jbate | April 8, 2008, 10:56 pm 10:56 pm
The Obama campaign has the press intimidated. They are walking on eggshells fearful that if they ask Obama any tough questions his campaign will change the subject and accuse them of racism. Also they don’t know a lot about him so they aren’t sure what to ask. And investigative journalism is a thing of the past. Today all they do is find two or more talking heads with divergent views and ask them questions which often tells the public nothing.
Posted by: Chuckwillswidow | April 8, 2008, 10:58 pm 10:58 pm
Since I don’t like either Dem candidate… I can look at this from a disinterested eye. Yes, there is a double standard. Both candidates need superdelegates to get to the magic number 2024 (unless Obama gets 75% of all the upcoming contests and Clinton gets 93%).
The media are depicting the seeking of superdelegates by each candidate differently. For Obama it is somehow natural that he gets the SD endorsements (he wins them over), but when Hillary gets one, they are “influenced”, “snatched”, or somehow she had to “play dirty” to get it.
It is a double standard and its root cause is this… Bill had a horrible relationship with the press and I suspect they don’t like her very much either. Not fair, but unfortunately that’s what she’s playing with.
Posted by: SmartPrimate | April 8, 2008, 11:00 pm 11:00 pm
“You know, I honestly think we will see Hillary as the first woman President!”
two questions: (1) what makes you think she is a woman? (2) President of what?
Posted by: Trythisonforsize | April 8, 2008, 11:00 pm 11:00 pm
Hillary can’t win the general election for one good reason – she won’t be in it.
Posted by: jbate | April 8, 2008, 11:01 pm 11:01 pm
If there was a score card for prevarication, Obama would win hands-down. In the short time he’s been in the national spotlight, he’s lied more than virtually any other candidate (my previous post mentioned only a few). Hillary has certainly had her share of embellishments, but she’s been a national figure for more than twenty-six years. She’s stood the test of time and endured all the media bias, specious accusations, and insults possible. No matter what more vitriol Obama bloggers level at her, here or anywhere, she’s a courageous, brilliant, and dedicated public servant.
Posted by: Emily | April 8, 2008, 11:01 pm 11:01 pm
Obama says he doesn’t take money from big oil companies. That is supposed to mean what?
It is against the law for candidates to take money from any corporation. Does he think we are all stupid because we didn’t go to Harvard?
The Hillary story about the woman and health care did end up being true. The hospital failed to mention the woman was asked for 100.00 owed on a back bill when she didn’t have insurance. Mind you the hospital said she had insurance. They never said they didn’t ask her for money. Check out the Washington Post.
Bosnia runway..Yes I will give you that one.
Northern Ireland..depends upon who you talk to and who they are supporting in this election. However, she was a team player in that negotiations and spent a great deal of time with the regular folk..You know..talking to them in an official capacity of representing this county as a mature adult.
Not some self serving find the meaning of my frickin life and I am so over educated and so messed up by my typical white grandmother and my father’s legacy somewhere in Kenya.
Talked about Hoodwinked
Posted by: Linda Cicerchi | April 8, 2008, 11:03 pm 11:03 pm
If one candidate is lying about ducking bullets in Bosnia, about opposing the invasion of Iraq, etc. and the other is not, then is it bias that only one gets asked about such things?
Or is it not bias that keeps such from being reported more?
Posted by: BuckBurris | April 8, 2008, 11:03 pm 11:03 pm
Why the xenophobic aura?
You’re afraid of Obama because you of what you don’t know. And, you’ll actually support Hillary after what you already know?
Posted by: Gregory | April 8, 2008, 11:06 pm 11:06 pm
SmartPrimate – I don’t see any double-standard when it comes to the superdelegates. Superdelegates have never before gone against the will of the voters, and it would be a big deal if they did so now. Clinton would need them to do so for her to win the nomination. Obama would not. That’s a very real distinction that the press has a right to point out.
Posted by: jock59801 | April 8, 2008, 11:07 pm 11:07 pm
Pramod
Learn to spell.
Posted by: jbate | April 8, 2008, 11:07 pm 11:07 pm
I listened to Mechelle Norris’ interview with Senator Clinton. I am thoroughly disgusted with the hostility of some of Ms Norris’ questions: particularly the question about “winning dirty”. I’ve watched Ms. Norris on the Sunday morning talk shows and her preference for Senator Obama was always evident: which is perfectly OK because she was there to express her opinion. I expect more when she is doing an interview as a “journalist”.
Senator Clinton’s answer was “right on”. Neither her nor Senator Obama can win without the support of superdelegates. That fact has morphed into the story that somehow Senator Clinton is “playing dirty” if she pursues the super delegates but it’s perfectly understandable and even laudable if Senator Obama pursues them. This the same biased storyline the mainstream media is pushing.
I expect more from Public Radio. If Ms Norris can’t do a news piece without her personal biases
in evidence then she should be assigned elsewhere.
I’m convinced that we are watching the media destroy the first woman to run for President of the United States. This entire episode is going to become infamous in the movement for women’s rights in America. Infamous.
Posted by: Anita | April 8, 2008, 11:13 pm 11:13 pm
jock59801 – the first time the Supers were used, Mondale got the Dem Nomination over Hart because of the Super D’s. Hart won the pledged delegate count.
So is is a double standard. That’s exactly why they created the SD’s – to temper the hot masses with cool reasoning… that’s politics. And with the Mondale/Hart contest… I think that the SD’s did a good job… remember hart the next time around!
Posted by: SmartPrimate | April 8, 2008, 11:14 pm 11:14 pm
HILLARY CAN’T WIN THE GENERAL ELECTION FOR ONE GOOD REASON – SHE WON’T BE IN IT.
Posted by: jbate | April 8, 2008, 11:15 pm 11:15 pm
The Super Delegates have already gone against the will of the voters in their states! Kerry, Kennedy and Richardson to name a few. Then you have the other idiots who’s children tell them who to support. It must be aweful for them to be hounded by text messages! Ok, kids I give up, I will vote for Obama. Please just quit whining!
Posted by: dgh | April 8, 2008, 11:15 pm 11:15 pm
Anita – Yes, Hillary has every right to pursue superdelegates, but the “winning dirty” idea comes in because she probably can’t get enough of them to turn against Obama unless she finds some way to destroy him. I hope it doesn’t come to that.
Posted by: jock59801 | April 8, 2008, 11:20 pm 11:20 pm
It’s called ‘Clinton has dirt and the media is picking up on it and reporting it.’ It could be called ‘Waaaaah, My Dirt Stinks More Than His Does.’ Or maybe “I’m a Girl.” Perhaps “I thought my PR firm bought you lackeys off. Get off my tail” Or, ‘All you morons used to do was reprint Wolfson’s conference calls. Now you’re taking Axelrod’s calls too? WTF??”
Posted by: kravitz | April 8, 2008, 11:21 pm 11:21 pm
She is right. He gets a free pass from the media. I’m an Independent, and I can see it. I have never actually seen anything like it before. There is a double standard. She has every right to stay in, just like any other candidate that had to go to convention. This is the process people. This is the party you choose to be in, these are your rules. This is how it works. At this point the people haven’t overwhelming decided who the winner is, so the superdelegates will. If all the superdelegates voted for who won their state, Hillary Clinton would be the nominee. All I ever hear is the Obama people complain about the media, and personal attacks on Clinton. Most are not true and have no real references to back up any of what they are saying. She is right on the money when she says there is a double standard. If they were doing to Obama what they have done to Clinton, they would be racist. Another double standard. She isn’t whining. She is telling the truth. Even Karl Rove who hates the Clintons said Obama gets a free pass.
Posted by: Ohplease! | April 8, 2008, 11:24 pm 11:24 pm
Hillary, Hillary, Hillary there you go again. Is that 3 year old really you in that Penna Commericial or is it the same person that you used in your 3AM call to the White House?? Pretty Slick!
Hillary what is the matter with you really? Your heroics under sniper fire in Bosnia was a lie.
You were against NAFTA but pushed it to get it passed. Then lied & denied it.
You claim that you spoke out against the war even before Obama did then voted for it??
At the same time you were masquerading as a battle hardened hero in Bosnia. You an Bill were so intent on China receiving favorite trade status millions of dollars of illegal Chinese donations ended up in the Clinton Account.
It didn’t matter or bother you & Bill that a million Poor Black Rwandans were being massacred during this time. AND it still doesn’t matter that you failed miserably.
Now you have a lot of horses coming to your rescue here in Pa. I must say. With 35 years experience I would think that you would be able to handle this on your own. Senator Obama does quite well working hard, on his own, the American Way.
Here in Penna, most of us have been listening to these strange sounds coming from Rendell & Nutter on your behalf. Can’t help but wonder which part of the Horse this noise is coming from.
You’re so transparent. There’s a good reason that your campaign gets a lot of negative coverage. It’s because you’ve a master at it just looking for an excuse.
Posted by: Fool me | April 8, 2008, 11:28 pm 11:28 pm
When this is all over I want the Democrats to force a dream ticket.
If Hillary does not win she should be offered the V.P role and she should accept it. The role of the V.P is just as important and powerful and it is not a demeaning role. I hope democrats suporter of both press them towards it when the fight to the finish is over.
Posted by: nazirmo | April 8, 2008, 11:29 pm 11:29 pm
The more I see of Obama the less there is to see. I think that’s why the big campaign to get Hillary out of the race – more and more people are starting to see the emptiness of the same old speeches that keep telling us of everyting that’s wrong with America but offer no solutions, the pandering to specific voters, like he tried to do in PA, hiding his far left wing anti-gun views, until the NRA saw what he was doing and gave him a grade of “F” on their website. And anyone watching the Iraq hearings today saw the difference between the candidates – MSNBC actually said how awesome Hillary Clinton was in her questioning. Will wonders never cease? Hillary Clinton is the real deal, and the longer this election goes on, the more people are starting to see it. No wonder the Obama supporters want her to drop out!
Posted by: Grammy Ba | April 8, 2008, 11:30 pm 11:30 pm
the media is slowly creating a Truman show out of Obama. Look, poeple are interested to know more about his past, his father’s writings, his real gender, his quest for political office in chicago style. Why not the Time”HBO” would signed him up for a docu-series like TV soap titled ” The Audicity of Dreams and Hope” starring Obama. This way, we will see and watch with wonder or disgust how the media will unfold Obama to the public. I think, if he can not win a nomination or can not be elected, he can have a show like that because it is like cinderalla movie.. from a confusing product of biraical to become a hopeful presidnet of no less than the USA.
Posted by: asb | April 8, 2008, 11:30 pm 11:30 pm
Excellent post Vision Quest! Greater than 50% of Democrats are women! The treatment of Hillary by the MSM has already taken its toll on millions of them. All this talk about her staying in will tear the party apart? Ha! Her being pushed out will start a firestorm!
Posted by: dgh | April 8, 2008, 11:30 pm 11:30 pm
IT IS NOT EVEN REMOTELY POSSIBLE FOR HILLARY TO WIN THE GENERAL ELECTION FOR ONE SIMPLE REASON – HER NAME WILL NOT APPEAR ON THE BALLOT.
Posted by: jbate | April 8, 2008, 11:31 pm 11:31 pm
Sen. Clinton has the clearest action plans for health care, the economy and troop withdrawal in Iraq. Yet the media does not cover this. Sen. Clinton has demonstrated herself to be hard working, intelligent and reaching out to people. She reached people by re-telling the story of the young woman who had a problem getting healthcare. This was proved to be a true story, but I have yet to see a retraction anywhere in the media about this. Sexist coverage, yes. The numbers you talk about are so close that it can go either way with the remaining primaries. It would be ridiculous for Sen. Clinton to quit now, when she has approximately 50% of the votes that have been cast. Obama supporters have been the ones that called on her to quit “for the good of the party”. This was reported as Senior Democratic officials” forgetting to mention they were Obama surrogates. This is sexist. Sen. Clinton has continued to campaign, and she is winning people over. A few days ago, when Obama’s campaign realized they were not going to win Pennsylvania, all of a sudden, it wasn’t Pennsylvania that Hillary had to win to be able to continue, it became North Carolina, this is sexist. The question of whether this coverage has been sexist insults the intelligence, and it is sexist.
Posted by: svsolis | April 8, 2008, 11:32 pm 11:32 pm
Excellent observations, charleschaplin. Don’t let the paid Obama bloggers get to you. It’s their job to spew endless vitriol.
Posted by: Emily | April 8, 2008, 11:32 pm 11:32 pm
Truth is neither candidate has enough delegates to win the nomination without superdelegates.
For Michelle Norris to act ignorant that she did not understand what Clinton meant by “double standard” is itself a proof of what she is talking about.
I am yet to hear one story on NPR that does not potray Clinton in a negative light. Michelle Norris is a big Obama supporter and for some reason the entire NPR programs have become another MSNBC.
Posted by: Sam | April 8, 2008, 11:32 pm 11:32 pm
For those of you who are die hard Obama fans I can see where this is a delight to hear. But for those who watch TV and listen to those commentators it is obvious to the most casual observor that Obama gets a more favorable press than Hillary. For example: Why is it that Hillary can say something, or make a point and nothing is said and Obama can (after learning from Hillary and hearing it) say the very same thing and it is reported as a brand new idea. Or they can say the very same thing and it is reported negatively when Hillary says it but positively when Obama says it.
Take today for instance. Hillary makes the point that she would consult with the top Military and her own security advisors but she would figure out a way to bring the troops home safely. Now Obama (who got on after her), said somewhat the same thing and His comments have been reported over and over while Hillary’s has been mostly ignored or quickly passed over. In the beginning Obama said he would bring the troops home on day ONE. Now, today he is putting forth a different story. Now he is more closely aligned with Hillary’s original assessment. Now you tell me if that is a double standar or not.
Posted by: gcbfred | April 8, 2008, 11:33 pm 11:33 pm
I am a woman and let me say that I am sick and tired of Hillary and her supporters constant whining.
Poor me. Feel sorry for me.
I cannot imagine a female leader in any other country, or someone like Pelosi or Boxer, ect., carrying on this way nor would they tolerate it from their supporters.
And that is why they are taken alot more seriously.
Enough with the games.
Posted by: vwcat | April 8, 2008, 11:33 pm 11:33 pm
It’s sad to me how many of you get on here to comment, but have NO IDEA what your candidate has been involved in. I’m not talking about conspiracy theories involving Hillary or Barack being a Islamic revolutionist. I’m talking about facts. Obama has made you all hypocrits without any of you knowing it, and eventually you’ll figure it out.
Posted by: Blah | April 8, 2008, 11:34 pm 11:34 pm
HILLARY has it in reverse.
The only reason that she is able to continue with her camapaign and to raise money from her fanatic and innocent supporter is because the press is willing to publish her absurd claims without qualifying their absurdity and
maintains the FICTION THAT SHE HAS STILL
A CHANCE !!
Of course, the Media knows very well that such possibility does not exist any more, but the Democratic infighting
is a CASH COW which they want to milk as long they can !!
SO, HILLARY, AT THIS MOMRNT THE MEDIA IS
YOUR BEST FRIEND!!
Posted by: TOM WITTMANN | April 8, 2008, 11:34 pm 11:34 pm
THE MEN IN THIS COUNTRY DO NOT WANT A WOMEN IN OFFICE BECAUSE SHE WILL DO A BETTER JOB. THEY ARE AFRAID
MOST PEOPLE ARE AGAINST HER BECAUSE HER HUSBAND CHEATED WELL SHES NOT HER HUSBAND AND IT HAD TO BE HARD FOR HER WITH ALL THE MEDIA AFTER HER WHEN HE GOT CAUGHT I GIVE HER A LOT OF CREDIT FOR PUTTING UP WITH HIM BUT SHE MUST LOVE HIM. SO GUYS INSTEAD OF KNOCKING HER THINK OF AS YOUR MOTHER
GO HILARY
Posted by: BARB | April 8, 2008, 11:35 pm 11:35 pm
Senator Clinton has suffered 5 BILLION dollars worth of unfair, negative advertising from 98% of the Media. Just look at the “rip” headline above when she didn’t “rip” anyone.
Hillary is still standing and very competitive after all the lies about her. That should tell you something.
Let me remind Obama supporters:
It’s the Electoral College, stupid!
It’s not about who wins the most states. It’s not about who wins the popular vote. It’s not about changing the rules in midstream and having the Super delegates anoint the “front runner.” Super delegates are there to help pick a WINNING candidate.
It really IS about winning the Presidency and keeping another Republican out of the office.
The next president has to win four of the following states in order to get enough Electoral Votes to win: Ohio, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Michigan and Florida. Obama will not win any of these states in the General Election. Recent polls back me up on my opinion.
National polls don’t mean anything. Many of the states that Obama won, don’t mean anything. Virtually all red states will stay red for another generation.
If Obama “wins” the nomination, McCain will win.
To Obama supporters in the remaining primary states: If you ever want to see Obama as the President, you should vote for Hillary Clinton. She will, undoubtedly, pick Obama as her VP, and in 8 years after he has learned the ropes and has enough experience to be President and the public has a chance to get to really know him, he can run for President and will probably win in 2016.
Posted by: 7NoTrumpxx | April 8, 2008, 11:36 pm 11:36 pm
BARB:
You’re right BARB, we don’t want that broad in the White House.
Posted by: jbate | April 8, 2008, 11:37 pm 11:37 pm
BARB:
You’re 100% right. We men do not want an old, ugly broad in the White House. It would send back diplomatic relations a thousand years.
Posted by: jbate | April 8, 2008, 11:39 pm 11:39 pm
vwcat,
You said you are a woman but I doubt it because no woman will hate another woman the way you do.
It points to self hate, psychologically speaking.
Posted by: Sam | April 8, 2008, 11:40 pm 11:40 pm
rs- Yes! We should write to the MSNBC and CNN sponsors to let them know we’ll never watch those stations again. The sponsors will act, believe me. The potential of losing millions of women viewers would scare the pants off ‘em!
Posted by: Emily | April 8, 2008, 11:41 pm 11:41 pm
There is a double standard. I’m an Independent and I can see it. I’ve never seen anything like it. She has every right to stay in the race. The Democrats have rules. The rules are that you have to have some 2000+ delegates to be the nominee. No one has done that. The people have failed to elect a clear nominee. Now it moves to the superdelegates. What is everyone b1tching about? These are the rules of your party. Rules that have always been. Who didn’t know about the rules? People are very willing to throw out all the rules of politics and start this uncharted, and confusing version of “new” politics that will help them sleep at night. It doesn’t matter that it will effect our nation, and the economy.
Posted by: Ohplease! | April 8, 2008, 11:41 pm 11:41 pm
Reading comments I see many women here who are supporting Hillary like to feel sorry for themselves. They are ashamed to be women because all they can do is rail against the world because they do not get special treatment.
They do not want equality. If they did they would see things realistically. Instead they want special kid glove treatment and because of this, no woman will ever attain higher office. Not until they quit wailing about this imaginary sexism because some says something critical or whines when Hillary is treated the same as the guys.
It is so embarrassing to women like myself who prides themselves on being equal.
This is not equality you cry for.
And because of the immature behavior of the supporters, they turn people away from Hillary and will be reluctant to elect a woman to leadership because of the sob sisters who rage, whine and wail about the unfairness of it all. Oh, poor me. Cruel world.
If they would look at life in reality they would see that Hillary has lost. And she lost because she mismanaged her campaign. She had everything all set for her and she blew it. Mismanaged the money, beset with infighting, keeping the incompetent in positions of adivsors and managers, failure to plan, ect.
This is not Obama’s fault. It’s not the media’s fault. Or the imaginary sexism under every rock. It is Hillary’s fault. Period.
She failed the most important test. Running an organization and campaign is the biggest test and she failed.
Posted by: vwcat | April 8, 2008, 11:42 pm 11:42 pm
Yes, she should have had Axelrod and Oprah. Money is no object and Axelrod will take care of all the rest.
Posted by: dgh | April 8, 2008, 11:45 pm 11:45 pm
What else can you expect from Washington media establishment, except bad taste and poor judgment? Remember these are the same people who brought us Iraq war. It was the media’s responsibility in democracy to ask the right kind of questions, give the people of the country pertinent information. At most critical time in our history these media are doing a poor job, above all they are failing to be fair and truthful in their reporting. They are playing favorites; doing publicity and propaganda for Sen. Obama, especially. These are the same people who brought us Mr. George Bush, remember how little the media would let us know about Mr. Bush in the 2000? How much they attacked and criticized Al Gore, how they ridiculed him for things like “inventing the internet…but Mr. Bush went completely unchecked and we all known one deserter after another followed─ unprecedented in the American history. Something very similar is happening with Sen. Obama. Meanwhile they are slandering, attacking Sen. Hillary Clinton. Our media is observing a prohibition; not telling anything positive about Sen. Hillary Clinton and anything negative about Sen. Barack Obama! They are telling her to drop out, while obviously Sen. Obama himself can’t even get the needed delegates number to lock up the nomination! The Washington media establishment has lost their reason and good judgment over Sen. Barak Obama, just like it happened with Mr. George Bush. Ultimately, with their lack of objective reporting they have committed the greatest insult to no one else but to Sen. Barak Obama himself. Sen. Obama is getting a free ride; he’s treated like way Russian television treat Putin. He will not do anything wrong. All this uncritical media adoration has made Sen. Barack Obama like Putin, a surreal, fictional character manufactured by his campaign managers, the media and by Hollywood. In contrast, the media has been extremely unfair to Sen. Hillary Clinton. But I think coming from these morally and intellectually bankrupt media people it is a compliment great compliment to Sen. Hillary Clinton. And the media’s blind adoration make Sen. Obama looks indulgent, and fraudulent like a propped up, corrupt dictator in a third world county. Meanwhile Sen. Hillary Clinton’s stature is enhanced, because media discrimination places on a higher moral ground! She’s so much more real than Sen. Barack Obama ever can be. She’s no media consultant’s phony! These people ─have gone where no reason has gone before into a land of phantasmagoria, where Oprah is the queen! But the damage done to our political system, once best in the world, the hope of humankind─ is truly heartbreaking. Sen. Hillary Clinton is treated in a horrible, disrespectful and often insulting fashion, everyday; but in the last analysis I think it is a great compliment to her tenacity and honor. I wish with all my heart that decent and honorable people of this country wake up put an end to this grave and horrible travesty!
P.S: Guess what? The Rupert Murdoch family is planning a discreet fund raiser for Sen. Obama in London!
Posted by: charleschaplin | April 8, 2008, 11:46 pm 11:46 pm
BARB– it is precisely that kind of incisive, fact-based, and sophisticated political analysis that keeps me reading these blogs. Thanks for your thoughtful contribution.
Posted by: Huh? | April 8, 2008, 11:46 pm 11:46 pm
Grammy Barb:
Guess what? We’ve made are minds up. Don’t try to change it with “facts.”
Posted by: jbate | April 8, 2008, 11:46 pm 11:46 pm
i’m a republican and i hate to admit it, but c’mon! the media is kinda biased. that’s fine with me, i’d love us to win a general election. bring on obama!
Posted by: MTB | April 8, 2008, 11:47 pm 11:47 pm
vwcat,
You got “issues” lady. There is a lot of self hate emanating from your blog.
Exuding all this hate on Hillary will not solve your problem.
Not even BHO can resolve your issues.
Posted by: Sam | April 8, 2008, 11:48 pm 11:48 pm
You’re 100% right. We men do not want an old, ugly broad in the White House. It would send back diplomatic relations a thousand years.
Posted by: jbate | April 8, 2008, 11:53 pm 11:53 pm
75% of the country thinks the media is biased. 50% of clinton supporters and 50% republicans. i will laugh so hard when obama looses the nomination. i’m not a woman, but i’ve been around longer than the 17-29 year olds who live in a world where facts don’t matter, and things should be given to them. it’s a good thing only 17% of 17-29 yr olds vote in the primaries.
Posted by: dancepuppets | April 8, 2008, 11:54 pm 11:54 pm
People can criticize Barack Obama till the cows come home, but he is positively the best chance we have for a President out of these 3 people who are now running.
I want the War to end and our troops to get out of Iraq—-Iraq can take care of itself—-and in the MEANTIME, pay us back for their protection IN OIL they’re sitting on (that’s what this war is about, anyway).
I want Healthcare Coverage NOW. No “oh, some people will get it FIRST, and others won’t be able to get it…”; I want the Healthcare that these 3 Senators are currently getting, and OBAMA will get busy making that happen. I currently have NO health insurance and work 50 hours a week (2 part-time jobs).
I want the Ecomomy fixed–ASAP. The American Dollar is going down the tubes compared to other world currency. OBAMA HAS THE PLAN to tackle the economy. I trust him to carry it out. HE UNDERSTANDS WHAT IS WRONG—UNDERSTANDING WHAT IS WRONG is central to fixing the problem.
Obama is simply the ONE—-the BEST of the 3.
Posted by: thinkaboutit | April 8, 2008, 11:55 pm 11:55 pm
omentum…. if Obama wins the nomination than we will vote McCain an that is just the way it is,Obama is not a uniter or a viable choice hes going to lose.
Posted by: girlinvt | April 8, 2008, 11:58 pm 11:58 pm
thinkaboutit: you think you are gonna get all of that immediately when he becomes president? even if he started today most of that wouldn’t happen until after the presidency is over. in fact those will all be on the back burner until the economy is fixed. don’t bother getting insurance. if obama is pres. you can just not pay and show up at the hospital and get coverage if you need it. let the tax payers pay for your health.
Posted by: dancepuppets | April 9, 2008, 12:00 am 12:00 am
I do not think the media has a bias against Hillary. Obama has handled himself better in response to controversy, and has a better run campaign plain and simple. Hillary simply chose the wrong strategy (thank you Mark Penn) and the wrong campaign handlers. Her campaign was built to go to Feb. 5th, that’s it. Regarding the Michigan and Florida votes one must note that Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are organizations that try to get their person selected by the democratic national convention. State legislators control voting process, the problems with their re-vote, and their initial votes can be ultimately traced back to them. If you folks want to get mad at someone get mad at the following people in order.
1. Mark Penn
2. Michigan HOR
3. Florida HOR
4. DNC
ciao
Posted by: Abe | April 9, 2008, 12:00 am 12:00 am
Hey all you rich educated full of guilt just got in the Democratic party people, I have brown skin and once gave a speech that someone else wrote for me can I be President.
Posted by: Daniel73 | April 9, 2008, 12:00 am 12:00 am
exactly
Posted by: thinkaboutit | April 9, 2008, 12:01 am 12:01 am
In an odd way Hillary is right!
The question should have been:
Hillary since Barack Obama has more
delegates, more votes, and has won way
more states than you, how can you possibly win the nomination fairly?
By that I mean without having the Super
Delegates Steal the Nomination for You!
Posted by: reaganfan | April 9, 2008, 12:03 am 12:03 am
It seems to me that every time the race for the White House gets in the single digits HRC cries wolf. There is no double standard. Now if she could just follow the rules.
Posted by: Gaby | April 9, 2008, 12:03 am 12:03 am
Did she unload or just answer the question? There has been a definite double standard in this campaign. Obama gets away with so many flip/flops, lack of experience, saying one thing-doing another. He gets 95 % positive press. No one comments on his lies about the money he takes from oil companies.
I really admire Senator Clinton-she accepts that this is the way it is-as unfair as it may be- and stays focused.
The media really cannot handle a powerful woman in this country.
Posted by: greenfun | April 9, 2008, 12:05 am 12:05 am
It would be impossible for Hillary to win in the general election because her name will not be on the ballot.
Posted by: jbate | April 9, 2008, 12:05 am 12:05 am
Obama’s Popular votes: 13,964,924 (47.43%
Hillary’s Popular votes: 13,858,725 (47.07%)
Obama’s total delegates: 1,703.0 38.57%
Hillary’s total delegates: 1,692.0 38.32%
As a longtime NPR listener, I am so deeply disappointed in NPR’s swallowing the mainstream media’s distortions in this campaign. The real story is the numbers, above. How on earth can we be living in a country where someone who is behind less than 1/2 a percentage of a point is being called upon to quit? Appalling.
Just listen to Obama’s vs. Clinton’s comments today on Iraq. He is completely naive and bumbling when there is no teleprompter. She is calm, measured, with a depth of knowledge about the issues. He wants to grant international status to the Iranian dictator terrorist. She wants a withdrawal, now.
Posted by: Veronica in CA | April 9, 2008, 12:08 am 12:08 am
Reaganfan did Obama reach the magic number of delegates needed to be the nominee? No. So the race continues to the convention where the superdelegates get to vote. Those are the rules of the Dem party, like it or not. If Obama could win a big state this wouldn’t be an issue.
Posted by: Ohplease! | April 9, 2008, 12:10 am 12:10 am
There has been a definite double standard in this campaign. Hillary gets away with so many flip/flops, lack of experience, saying one thing-doing another. She gets 95 % positive press. No one comments on her lies about the money she takes from oil companies.
I really admire Senator Obama-he accepts that this is the way it is-as unfair as it may be- and stays focused.
The media really cannot handle a powerful African American male in this country.
Posted by: thinkaboutit | April 9, 2008, 12:11 am 12:11 am
Hillary needs to stop crying all the time. She knows she’s ;osing and people are growing tired of her. She needs to keep a tighter lesh on her husband. She wants her to be President so he can keep pushing the Colombian Trade Agreement. Not this time Bill.
Posted by: Sunae | April 9, 2008, 12:13 am 12:13 am
Veronica that was entirely true! It’s another example of the bias. I’m sorry that no one will take your opinion seriously on this board because you are a woman, and a woman standing up for Hillary doesn’t count here I guess. Too bad women make up 57% of the vote, but what to they know? I don’t know how you women put up with this crap. Seriously. I think a lot of guys here must have mommy issues. I loved my mom!
Posted by: dancepuppets | April 9, 2008, 12:14 am 12:14 am
cnn chanel his the bad chanel for politique only they know of say obama i tink they get pay to say his name because that only thing they know what McCain they have a lot to say about obama they wait later no way obame will win only hillary will win stay on hillary you will be the next president
Posted by: magella | April 9, 2008, 12:14 am 12:14 am
Excellent post, Sam! I hope the Obama bloggers actually read it.
Posted by: Emily | April 9, 2008, 12:41 am 12:41 am
Hillary Clinton helped to raise 10 million dollars to help Michigan have a revote. Obama said no, so Michigan did not rerun their primary. The people of Michigan will feel disenfranchized if their votes are not counted. This will not fair well for Obama…Also, Obama has told many more lies then Clinton. The media just doesn’t bother to cover it and I don’t trust someone who surrounds themselves with people like Rev. Wright and Rev. Meeks. He included them in his campaign. Will he also include them if he wins the White House. God Help Us!
Posted by: Annie | April 9, 2008, 12:43 am 12:43 am
I was interviewed by Ina Jaffee of NPR and my quote for why I supported Hillary was used as part of her segment called something like “thinking the unthinkable, Democrats voting for McCain.” I would NEVER vote for McCain. I said emphatically that I would “Vote for the Democrat.” Instead, to balance the snarky Obama supporter comments, my rationale for picking Hillary (based on policy) was twisted to pretend that I’d vote for McCain. I have been quoted by media several times, and each time what has been attributed to me is NOT what I have said. Imagine if there is a media bias against you because you are a competent, powerful woman! You get more than Al-Gored in favor of Chris Matthews latest crush (after he removes his Bu$h button).
Posted by: CB | April 9, 2008, 12:44 am 12:44 am
First of all, Hillary has been the most negative candidate in this race. Negativity creates more negativity against you.
Second, Hillary tried to end this race before it started by building up Supers and assuming the nomination.
Third, it was stated that anyone behind by more than 100 delegates after Super Tuesday would have trouble catching up. We are now way past that day, and Hillary is farther behind than 100.
Forth, Kris, you are a cherry picker, quit trying to snow us.
Fifth, quit calling this a close race, you Clinton clone mouthpieces, if Obama is ahead in everything, and the Supers give it to Clinton, then everyone will wonder why we have a primary if the Supers decide everything and the people have no say.
Sixth, no candidate in history has tried to change or challenge as many rules as Clinton has in the last 3 months. No Candidate period.
Posted by: Wood | April 9, 2008, 12:57 am 12:57 am
hey all,
Reading some of the vitriol posted here really makes me cringe at the prospect of a third bush term. All of these negative allegations of dirty campaign tactics. PEOPLE THIS IS POLITICS. Hilliary supporters that call into question whether or not we can trust obama, because of his associations with his pastor and Rezco in Chicago. POssibly a few more things I missed. Now Hillary supporters who think Obama is dirty, go to you tube and type “Bill &Hillary: their secret lives. There is a paper trail about those two. In a nutshell people lets vote on issues rather race, age, gender etc. who is the best for America?
Posted by: keylargo | April 9, 2008, 1:01 am 1:01 am
The question is “What is Hillary’s reaction to the statement that the only way she can win is if she wins UGLY.”
All Hillary does is bring up Obama.
Can’t Hillary ever give a straight answer to any question?
Posted by: angel | April 9, 2008, 1:04 am 1:04 am
No doubts – it was always Clinton, who messed this election , always putting false, dirt, tricks, etc.
She is responsible for all that dirt , that happened.
And sure the country does NOT need to stay in mess with messy-brains person, who can not do Anything without false and dirt.
Clintons – American Disgrace
Posted by: Linda, Florida | April 9, 2008, 1:04 am 1:04 am
Thank you… HERE_IN_PA
Posted by: Annie | April 9, 2008, 1:11 am 1:11 am
Well, I am glad to see there are more posters these days that notice the obvious media bias. The scary part is, who is pushing BO on to us? Why? It’s like they go crazy on double time attacks against her if the polls show that she’s holding on to us in a strong way. The fact remains; the majority of long time, loyal Democrats are for Hillary Clinton. Hillary is OUR chosen nominee, no matter what they try to shove down our throats, we’ve made our choice: HILLARY.
Posted by: irma | April 9, 2008, 1:11 am 1:11 am
OK Obamaniacs – pretend the question was posed to Obama. “How do you feel that nearly 50% of the Dem party believes you will win only by winning ugly, that is – by pressuring your opponent to quit, by superdelegates deciding regardless of the votes in their states, and/or by the media continuing to give you more defertnial treatment in coverage. What do you make of that?”
Posted by: Lexie | April 9, 2008, 1:13 am 1:13 am
Hillary will win after she smokes Obama in Pennsylvania no matter what the media throws in her way…Go Hillary!
Posted by: Annie | April 9, 2008, 1:22 am 1:22 am
I heard this interview this evening and was amazed at how Hillary, who had been speaking rationally and calmly up until then, just lost it. She completely avoided the question, which was not about superdelegates; it was about the charges she is “running ugly.” Then, when pressed, very gently and nicely, but persistently, she did her usual victim routine of claiming that she is the victim of double standards. She complained that she was being asked this question and asked why Obama wasn’t asked the same. Obviously it’s because she was the one being interviewed, not Obama, and because she is one being accused of running ugly, not Obama. This woman is so used to deflecting what she doesn’t want to hear, she is irrational. She is not fit to hold high public office. She would be a disaster as President.
Posted by: Promise | April 9, 2008, 1:32 am 1:32 am
If you don’t like Bill Clinton, then tell Bill Clinton. Don’t attack Hillary Clinton for something she had nothing to do with. Hillary will work hard to try and put this country back together. Barrak Obama will divide this country after 20 years aligning himself with people like Wright, Meeks, and Resko.
Posted by: Annie | April 9, 2008, 1:57 am 1:57 am
Hillary:
There is no double standard. You are making false claims (as you often do). The contest between you and Obama is not “very close” as you repeatedly claim. It is currently an objective reality that you currently have zero probability of surpassing Obama in pledged delegates. It is also objective reality that you have zero chance in overcomong Obama in the number of states won. Further it is a near impossability for you to exceed Obama in the popular vote. Therefore, senator Clinton, the contest is far from close. You have made a choice to subject the Democratic Party to harm by continuing to fight and weaken Obama despite your own lack of a realistic chance of winning (in a way that Democrats could accept [i.e., other than through the superdelegates' rejection of Obama's multiple leads, which would be undemocratic]). Reasonable candidates for elections end their runs when it becomes clear that they dont have a reasonable chance of winning. Otherwise, you waste other people’s money, other peoples’ resources, or you harm your own partys’ chances of winning in the general election (which you are doing).
That said you have every right to choose to continue to run all the way to the convention. But if you do, you must also be willing to accept the consequences of doing so. The amount of disdain for your actions is snowballing among Democrats.
Posted by: Mike Denhof | April 9, 2008, 1:59 am 1:59 am
Hillary whines about everyone and everything in sight. When is she going to acknowledge the fact that she has run a crappy campaign and a better candidate has run circles around her?
Can you imagine her as Commander-in-Chief: “Oh those Russians, they have such a double-standard, they are just so unfair, they don’t treat me nicely at all. Why doesn’t the media do something about them?” “And those inconsiderate Bosnians: Why weren’t they shooting at me at the airport so I could have demonstrated my courage? Why did they embarrass me so? And the media just stood by and reported it!”
Posted by: funnyguy | April 9, 2008, 2:03 am 2:03 am
Annie:::: so everyone HRC knows is CLEAN?
Don’t set rules for BHO that you won’t apply to HRC…do that and you’ll see that there are things at both ends of the field…it’s what these things are that actual make the call for or against HRC or BHO…
Leave all the people they know out of it, and look at the issues…i mean there are things i like fron HRC, but overall, I like BHO’s more and better.
Posted by: tealwomin | April 9, 2008, 2:08 am 2:08 am
Obama’s supporters wanted Clinton out early because they know Clinton has loyalist out there (with the exception of Richardson). Clinton has more Superdelegate supporters than Obama that is why he is scared that if the Primary goes all the way to Convention, Clinton will get more support from Superdelegates which is obvious she does.
Posted by: James RR, PA, Independent | April 9, 2008, 2:10 am 2:10 am
The media will not fall for Clinton playing the victim, complaining and whining about the referee again.
She’s not a victim, she is a fierce, competitive, ambitious political opponent, but she does not have a good campaign staff and her poor leadership and managerial skill have been exposed during this campaign.
She also appears to be misrepresenting her position on free-trade for political purposes and she embelished her foreign policy experience. The media is covering it, as they should, and voters are making their decisions.
Posted by: Richard in Texas | April 9, 2008, 2:14 am 2:14 am
I find it odd that people dont realize the only reason Obama surrogates and campaign employees want Clinton to step down is so the superdelegates do not have to do their job and make the tough decision that might lead to themselves not being re-elected by their own constituencies, ie. Kerry, Kennedy, Richardson, et al are going against their constituencies. If FL and MI are not counted as the people voted with delegates apportioned and the nominee is given to Obama he will have stolen it without a mandate from the people. Just another Bush… a lackey for the other wing that despises Clinton.
Posted by: DCVoter | April 9, 2008, 2:15 am 2:15 am
Hillary Clinton has enough sense to get up and walk out of a church if someone is spewing racism and hate. Barrak Obama didn’t have or use common sense when he sat in that church for 20 years and listened to those sermons week after week. Hillary Clinton didn’t include those same hate spewing people in her campaign. If she had the Obama people would have her thrown out of the election process. It also amazes me that after seeing those videos, there are still people who believe that Obama will preside over all people equally.
Posted by: Annie | April 9, 2008, 2:19 am 2:19 am
ArdentHillarySupporter… I am also one of the 28% who will be voting for McCain if Hillary doesn’t get the nomination and you can be sure I won’t stay home!
Posted by: Annie | April 9, 2008, 2:37 am 2:37 am
Bag- I’m a hard-core dem, but you can bet I will not stay home. As much as I hate to, I will definitely exercise my right to vote and it will be for McCain. I’m sure you want us to stay home, but we’re not stupid. Voting for McCain will guarantee Obama loses.
Posted by: frustratedFLvoter | April 9, 2008, 2:39 am 2:39 am
The truth is neither dem candidate has “the math” in their favor. Obama may have a slight lead, nothing spectacular. Only 700,000 vote lead over Clinton. If MI and FL were in the mix, she might be in the lead , otr at least cut his lead to almost nothing. Obama knows this and it is the reason why he would be willing ti disenfranchise 2.6 million voters. Clinton should stay in and fight. I admire her tenacity. The MSM has been doing a hatchet job on Clinton. The coverage has been extremely biased, sexist, and overall third rate reporting. Obama says he does not whine, but “yes, he does”. In 2007, when the media was not yet “swooned” by Obama, he publicly blasted them for not covering him fairly. Do your research folks. There is too much the media is ignoring about him. Obama really is a “roll of the dice” for the country. Obama does not speak for me.
Furthermore, if MI and FL are not allowed a new vote, or the existing votes counted as they were cast, then the nomination will not be seen as legitimate.
The media has angered many like because of their sexist and biased coverage. All I’m asking is that the process be allowed to take its course without people trying to end it early, or sabotaging a candidates chances.
It is sad to see that the leftist element of the democratic party has somehow decided that it is okay to hate your country. Its also convenient that their right to do so is protected by Constitution.
Posted by: smartvoter08 | April 9, 2008, 3:08 am 3:08 am
Anyone else interested in signing the petition on Hillary’s website to resolve the issue with FLA and MI’s voters being counted, just go to her site and at the top click on Take Action and then in the menu click on the Action Center. If you’re not signed up as a supporter, create an account and then it will take you to the petition.
Posted by: baddawg2k2001 | April 9, 2008, 3:14 am 3:14 am
they will be counted in a way that’s fair to everyone….
can’t count votes from an election that did not count in the 1st place..By the way she is only making matters worst…she signed an agreement – just likt OBAMA…knowing that the votes would not count difference is he’s not blaming her for hid decision…
she lacks the know how necessary to be fair. she can’t take personal responsiblity and admit that those voters she’s fighting for now – are the same ones she was against a few months ago.
Posted by: tealwomin | April 9, 2008, 3:22 am 3:22 am
Hillary Clinton is leading Barrak Obama by 18% in PA. She is also ahead by 3-10% in Indiana. She will win the popular vote and the nomination.
Go Hillary!
Posted by: Annie | April 9, 2008, 3:24 am 3:24 am
Double standard big time.
Obama is gaining on Hillary.
Obama is closing to gap on Hillary.
Why not?
Hillary is ahead even if Obama spent 3 times more in advertising.
Obama is still trailing Hillary.
Hillary will win if the vote held today.
The media is working for Obama.
Hillary has the best plan
Hillary will win!!
Posted by: JT | April 9, 2008, 3:25 am 3:25 am
The only cheating going on, is Fla and MI being cheated out of their right to vote in the primary, since those two states were also cheated out of having the rules play out when the revote for them were blocked, and the DNC telling Americans for over six months, those states wouldn’t matter. The truth is, we as a country are being cheated, and made to believe we are the 48 states of America.
Posted by: baddawg2k2001 | April 9, 2008, 3:26 am 3:26 am
the DNC,could have fixed the mess the Dems are in by first fixing the problem with FLA and MI. Instead all they want is Hillary to concede, so they can then make Obama the nominee and bring in the two states afterwards to then make them feel included so they Dems can stand a chance in Nov, never actually including the two states voters.
Posted by: baddawg2k2001 | April 9, 2008, 3:30 am 3:30 am
How can this be considered by the world community to be an open and transparent elections’ process, that can be seen as truly expressing what Democracy is all about, if two of the 50 states don’t even have a voice? If this was something we saw of another country, we would be very outspoken in disagreement toward that country as truly being a valid Democratic process.
Posted by: baddawg2k2001 | April 9, 2008, 3:32 am 3:32 am
I’ve seen polls that suggest 54% of Clinton supporters polled would vote for McCain or not at all, if Obama we nominated. The FL and MI issue are probably part of this as well. Also think of the voters from FL and MI in general, that probably won’t vote Democratic in Nov, just because of the way the DNC handled their state. Whether you agree with what happened when the DNC stripped their delegates or not, probably isn’t going to sway voters from those states that feel cheated. Might be a good time for the DNC to really start dealing with the issue of FL and MI instead of hoping, ( like the riff between the supporters of Hillary and Obama ) that it will just go away.
Posted by: baddawg2k2001 | April 9, 2008, 3:35 am 3:35 am
When I hear about this alleged media bias it took me awhile to understand what others were talking about.
This is what happens…. The media loves to report or mistakes, scandals, questionable associations, misspeaks etc.
Hillary just has more of these issues on a regular bases than Obama. The press is still stuck on Rezko and the former marine Rev. Wright. Or Obama’s gutter ball.
The media goes where the story with legs goes. Don’t expect them to balance a negative story about Clinton commiting one of the aforementioned issues with some contrived negative story about Obama. It does not work that way.
ps.
The nominating process is about the number of delegates not the popular vote. If it was about the popular vote then the campaign strategies would be different. Some of the causes that Obama won didn’t even report vote totals, so the pop. total you see is irrelevant.
pss.
SurveyUSA is owned by InfoUSA whose CEO is a major Clinton supporter who had been flying the Clintons around in the InfoUSA’s corporate jet and paying Bill a lot of money for services rendered. So those poll numbers that are strangely different than all of the others is questionable.
Posted by: Xavier | April 9, 2008, 3:38 am 3:38 am
Since mid-December, when the presidential candidates turned their full attention to the Iowa caucuses, Sen. Barack Obama has led the race for good press and Sen. Hillary Clinton has lagged the farthest behind. From Dec 16 through Jan 27 five out of six on-air evaluations of Obama (84%) have been favorable, compared to a bare majority (51%) of evaluations of Mrs. Clinton. This media trend continued up to the Ohio and Texas primaries. What other candidate has ever had to not only run a campaign against their opponent, but at the same time had most of the media working against them as well. Not only has she survived this, but had a come back.
Posted by: baddawg2k2001 | April 9, 2008, 3:40 am 3:40 am
Rasmussin is tied to Fox, so what’s your point. They take a survey and post the results. Oh, I guess because Hillary is ahead the survey must be fixed. Give me a break!
Posted by: Annie | April 9, 2008, 3:45 am 3:45 am
Thanks for the links
Posted by: baddawg2k2001 | April 9, 2008, 4:06 am 4:06 am
So many sour grapes Hillary is nibbling
on! Why she thinks she is entitled to the Presidency based on Bill Clinton’s political experience is beyond me.
Posted by: FrigidWeather | April 9, 2008, 4:30 am 4:30 am
ah, American entertainment, best money can buy!
Posted by: unicorporated | April 9, 2008, 5:24 am 5:24 am
She wasn’t complaining about press coverage in the many months before Iowa, when the press treated her w/ kid gloves and as the inevitable nominee.
When you start blaming the press — for your failing campaign, for a failing war, for a lousy economy — then you’ve lost the argument.
In that NPR interview, she shows once again why so many people, including reporters, dislike and distrust her.
Posted by: Rich P. From Princeton | April 9, 2008, 5:45 am 5:45 am
an you imagine Michelle obama as first lady promoting pride for Ameica? I don’t
felixdiaz 5:33 AM
Posted by: libre | April 9, 2008, 5:49 am 5:49 am
There may be something to the reports that sleep deprivation causes paranoia and delusions. Clinton is only being treated “unfairly” because she fails to recognize that she can’t make up the mathematical advantage held by Obama. Maybe she and others should be asleep at 3AM.
Posted by: Lauren | April 9, 2008, 6:47 am 6:47 am
- there is double standard – and the polls are all off – i am tired of it all – especially of obama being stuffed down my throat…. please
Posted by: sokadija | April 9, 2008, 7:13 am 7:13 am
This election has revealed a lot of things we have not noticed before. Media bias is one and the race bias among the African Americans as well as among the whites. I check news on CBS, ABC and MSNBC daily and obviously, MSNBC is the most biased against Hillary. Check it by yourself. African Americans show their bias by voting almost exclusively for Obama. No other race in America has done that as issues are more important than race to them. If Obama were not running this time, many African Americans would have voted for Hillary. So why not this time? Do you really think most of them consider Obama is more suitable than Hillary as our President? You know the reason: COLOR. Obama is very much race conscious in using race to his advantage. In terms of race, Hillary is much more fare and for that reason alone, I vote for Hillary.
Posted by: Julia | April 9, 2008, 7:21 am 7:21 am
adi: Apparently you have a big problem understanding what your reading. Of course Obama didn’t want a revote. She is the only one on the ballot and she would catch up with him. He is the most underhanded schemer of any candidate that ran for the presidency. He is as fake as they come and one heck of a liar. And I am aware of the fact that this generation don’t know any better when they vote for him, they are in his same category, know nothing and do nothing. They believe anything he tells them because their mind is the same as his. A complete blank.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | April 9, 2008, 7:51 am 7:51 am
I agree that the headline is misleading. When pressed Clinton seems to have said what she’s been saying a lot lately.
The reason she is being asked the question is because she has a much narrower metric leaving her only dubious routes forward.
I hope this ends in a civil way.
Posted by: Max | April 9, 2008, 7:55 am 7:55 am
Michele: Obama couldn’t run a cleaning plant let alone this country. He doesn’t have the brains to sit on or the window to throw tham out of. He is like most of this youth generation of today because he was a boozer and drugger and that’s what a lot of college kids are today. He fits right into their category. I believe many get pushed thru college to get rid of them and that’s what happened to him. He has this generation of fools right where he wants them and they sap it up. He is a loser when it comes to the battground states and will not win them in a general election McCain will leave him in the dust.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | April 9, 2008, 7:55 am 7:55 am
mabs: And I think you say anything that comes into your head. Hillary has a good chance of beating Obama for the nomination but its people like you that are afraid of it. You are so wrapped up with his lies you don’t know the truth when you hear it. Get a grip on life. That’s what I said about this generation being a bunch of fools. How in the world did they ever graduate college is beyond me unless the teachers pushed them out to get rid of them. Obama cannot win the nomination because when Hillary wins it I will be laughing at all of you.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | April 9, 2008, 7:59 am 7:59 am
YOU CERTAINLY DON’T HEAR ANY MAN TALKING ABOUT ‘DOUBLE STANDARDS’ WHY? BECAUSE A ‘WEAK’ WOMAN HAS TO USE LEVERAGE AND SOUND LIKE A VICTIM IN ORDER OT BE HEARD. A SMART WOMAN DOES NOT NEED TO DO THAT. CLINTON IS TOAST. OBAMA IS AS WELL.
Posted by: JACK | April 9, 2008, 8:08 am 8:08 am
wind her up…watch her spin….
Posted by: maria | April 9, 2008, 8:41 am 8:41 am
i think she should stay in i will vote for her because she is a woman also the media is ver bias to women and treat obama like a king and he is phony as a two dollar bill
Posted by: dorothy | April 9, 2008, 8:43 am 8:43 am
The only person hurting Clinton is Clinton. She constantly shoots herself in the foot time and time again. It’s really amazing to see that she has any feet left to shoot at.
- She never answers a hard, direct question about her campaign without dragging Obama into the answer.
- She constantly moves the goalposts when it suits her purpose (the latest being that, without counting the caucus states, SHE would be winning – of course, every vote should count). How about “I was against the war before Obama was” (as long as you forget her vote FOR the war and his speech AGAINST the war. Amazingly, HIS reasons for being against the war were dead on the mark for where we are now with regards to Iraq, al-Qaeda, Afghanistan, etc).
- The double-talk express (see above – every vote should count/don’t count caucuses/pledged delegates should switch to me (against the will of the voters who made them pledged delegates to a particular candidate), etc).
- When confronted with an outright lie, she “mis-spoke” and again attempts to deflect by pointing to Obama for something else.
- The constant background of conflict of interest (the latest being the Mark Penn/Bill Clinton/Columbia mess). She was the “co-president” during Bill’s administration. Its a fair question to ask just how much influence will Bill have in HER administration and it doesn’t look like he’ll be a sideline, tea-sipping First Husband.
If anyone is to blame for the media riding Hillary, it is HILLARY alone!
Posted by: Tim Rivers | April 9, 2008, 8:47 am 8:47 am
The HRC supporters will vote for McCain because they believe that:
We need a leader who will not destroy America.
We need a leader who will put America first and not Iran or Kenya.
We need a leader who can speak from the heart and not from the teleprompter.
We need a leader who will take a stance and not wait for the leaves to move.
This election is not about black or white but it is all about who is the best candidate for America.
Obama has no experience, he has a track record for not taking any stances. Just look at yesterday’s hearing. He wants the status quo in Iraq. What kind of stance is that?? Where are his goals? What are his ideas for our country? Zip, Nada. It will either be Hillary or McCain for me. I cannot support another weak candidate. He may have many supporters but weak he is!
Posted by: Voter | April 9, 2008, 8:48 am 8:48 am
you call that ‘ripping’? another double standard in the media that uses ultra negative terms each time that describe a HIllary action. If this was Obama the title would be ” Obama saying it like it is”…..I glad Hillary is beginning to speak out. I’ve seen this double standards way way back during the New Hampshire primary. But because each time she mention gender, the media criticized her for playing the victime card and this is why she remained for the most part silent on the subject. On the flip side, each time Obama mention his race…..every major networks ran out and do a black in america perspective story.
Posted by: california | April 9, 2008, 8:50 am 8:50 am
Julia you wrote:::: “African Americans show their bias by voting almost exclusively for Obama….No other race in America has done that…If Obama were not running this time, many African Americans would have voted for Hillary”
REALLY…Are you serious…that’s a lie, even within my family there is a split…we aren’t ALL for OBAMA. to say that Black voters aren’t as savy as other voters, is your buying into some of the weirdness put out by the media. just because you ‘might’ not agree with their voting does not mean you can recuce it to race…
i’m issue focused, and i’ve changed my mind several times – and might do so again…but i will not be driven by race or gender. some things in the day to day of this race don’t matter – even when it akes the news…it’t not important for me in a president. other things are VERY important!
You speak as if there couldn’t possibly be women, [all races] who will vote for HRC JUST because she is WOMAN, jyust becaue she is white…GET BALANCED Otherwise you’re pointing fingers WITHOUT applying the same weight to the other candiate…
i really wish people could overlook gender & race…just write down the items that are important to see in a PRESIDENT. then check off HRC & BHO on each issue.
WE’re talking about POUS! not someone to work at the corner store. would it matter that a POTENTIAL employee lied about their qualifications? Would it matter what church they attended – who their pastor was/is, [really employers shouldn't discrimate along these lines], would it matter if their references didn’t check out?
DON’T YOU GET IT::::: you’re the boss! you get to hire the person you want…and i bet some will pick for small reason, [she's woman/white, he's man/black], others will pick for greater reasons, [policy, ability to bring new voter to the party, voting record, how close they are to one's own values].
I INVITE YOU NOT TO make blanket statements JULIA…you do yourself a diservice with that kind of thing. And it shows that you are unfair in your initial approach.
Posted by: tealwomin | April 9, 2008, 8:57 am 8:57 am
There is Fuzzy Logic and Chaos theory a well known theory scientist are working on for years. Then there is funny math and fuzzy math but, the TV, Blogs and Print Media is using mathematics that starts with an “F” and ends with a “D”.
Look at the polls at Real Clear Politics, it is an average of five polls. Anyone familiar with statistics will tell you that taking five out of 244 polls and averaging it is a new kind of poll and against statistics dealing with population samples. CNN Poll of Polls falls in the same category and people wonder why the polls are wrong!
Here is some cursory analysis of the 244 polls published by Real Clear Politics Website:
Mode
Obama -21 Clinton- 39
In statistics, the mode is the value that occurs most frequently in a data set or a probability distribution. In some fields, notably education and polls sample data are often called scores, and the sample mode is known as the modal score
Median
Obama -24 Clinton-39
In probability theory and statistics, a median is described as the number separating the higher half of a sample, a population, or a probability distribution, from the lower half. The median of a finite list of numbers can be found by arranging all the observations from lowest value to highest value and picking the middle one. If there is an even number of observations, the median is not unique, so one often takes the mean of the two middle values.
Of Course this is a cursory analysis but statistically more accurate !
Suppose, journalist are not famous for understanding but famous for dramatic repetition on 24 hr news channels. They have to make things up since there is not so much captivating news in any 24 hr period.
Posted by: Independent | April 9, 2008, 9:03 am 9:03 am
To MSNBC, CNN, FOX, ABC, CBS, DNC and all the other big boys: Women democratic voters are mad as hell and we aren’t going to take it anymore!
Posted by: calli | April 9, 2008, 9:04 am 9:04 am
If the media reports on the Clinton campaign complaining about media bias against her, does that count as a negative story or a positive one?
She gets face time, gets to score her point and tends to solidify the anger she’s fomenting with her most diehard supporters, so I say the Pew Center for Research or whoever is making these overly simplified good-bad assessments should put it in the positive column.
Posted by: Connecticut | April 9, 2008, 9:04 am 9:04 am
There’s no double standard, I don’t think. Clinton came into the campaign with a reputation of someone who was willing to run a low campaign, and she’s lived down to those standards. Now, she’s looking at a situation in which the only way to win is to destroy the frontrunner.
Given that context, the question seems in bounds and completely understandable.
Posted by: Paul | April 9, 2008, 9:10 am 9:10 am
And I do think she’s gone to this “I’m the victim here” well a few times too often. People are tired of hearing it.
Posted by: Paul | April 9, 2008, 9:11 am 9:11 am
by the way BLACKS and WOMEN historicaly have been discrimated [sp] against. When we vote based on race and/or gender, we do in fact become a part of that process.
please stay focused on the issues!
i will say that i want her to stand up and take it shut the heck up with the VICTIM crap…you’re running for POUS! TAKE IT…DARN! do you see OBAMA complaining about the media? We know FOX NEWS keeps his every move on the hot seat…
ACT LIKE THE PRESIDENT YOU WANT TO BE! Not like some wounded animal…I need to see your inner strength. your behavor and complaining gives me a view of the type of president you might be….
right now for me OBAMA is appearing MORE presidential, issues, not being negative or blaming, accepting responsiblity]…my opinion, subject to change of course, HRC has had her moments with me too…
Posted by: tealwomin | April 9, 2008, 9:13 am 9:13 am
I cant believe my eyes, Hillary Clinton who has enjoyed so much biased media on her behalf is now calling them biased against her. Can we just start over with this nomination process? i think we missed the mark with all 3 remaining candidates
Posted by: gccars | April 9, 2008, 9:16 am 9:16 am
OH… how my heart bleeds for her… NOT! GMAFB, she needs to stop whining andstart explaining… honestly please… just why it is she should get a vote from someone… and than maybe, maybe she’ll do better in the numbers… but as long as she continues to whine and moan she’s not going to get votes… she needs to say something… anything please… of substance/… oh, btw, without coming across as a moron….
Posted by: annoyed | April 9, 2008, 9:19 am 9:19 am
Meneither – I really don’t think you are doing your candidate any favors by continuing the victim argument.
You can make noise a few times, and maybe you’ll be seen as a squeaky wheel and get some grease. If you keep whining about being victimized, though, at some point you risk being seen as the boy who cried wolf – at which point people just stop listening.
I think Clinton is past that point.
Posted by: Paul | April 9, 2008, 9:19 am 9:19 am
The bias is so obvious. I don’t think the media and the Obama supporters realize that it makes those of us who honestly believe Hillary would make the best president based on her merits so very angry. Angry enough to NOT vote for Obama if he is the nominee because we will feel he has not won fairly. No matter what the media and Obama people feel about the Clinton supporters, they just may need us in November. Their scorched earth policy towards Hillary and her supporters will make it almost impossible for us to be with them in the fall.
Posted by: Susannnah | April 9, 2008, 9:21 am 9:21 am
Why didn’t the wench speak up when all MSM networks were marginalizing Ron Paul?
Posted by: Bud | April 9, 2008, 9:23 am 9:23 am
Susannnah so don’t vote for him…i’ll vote for HRC if that be the case put before me.
all Obama supports aren’t the same…more blanket statements….most democrats will vote along party lines anyways…
Posted by: tealwomin | April 9, 2008, 9:27 am 9:27 am
Clinton will be ahead in the popular vote after PA. Check ABC politics page. They have Obama ahead by 100k. 4m PA voters times about 10% win for Clinton (probably more…check SurveyUSA 18 point lead for Hillary). Do the math.
Posted by: Marc - Texas | April 9, 2008, 9:29 am 9:29 am
If BO somehow does win the Primary and many white democrats vote for McCain, the blood of the soldiers who die in the 100 year war will be on your hands and countries that hate Americans will know that AA are still considered second class citizens to many. May God Bless You All.
Posted by: Niah | April 9, 2008, 9:30 am 9:30 am
merits Susannnah, he has ‘em too
AND it depends on what you mean by merits…that’s in the eyes of the voter
YOU SAY::: Angry enough to NOT vote for Obama if he is the nominee because we will feel he has not won fairly? WHAT DO YOU MEAN?
he has:
the VOTES,
the DEG’S
won the MOST STATES
she had more ELECTOR VOTES right now, but they DON’T COUNT AT THIS STAGE.
Posted by: tealwomin | April 9, 2008, 9:34 am 9:34 am
Naive to say the least “Superdelegates have never before gone against the will of the voters, and it would be a big deal if they did so now” They have and they very well may this time. Stupid of them? yes.
Posted by: meneither123 | April 9, 2008, 9:35 am 9:35 am
The lady has surrounded herself by the likes of Penn and Bill that she is not listening to the voice of the people. She really has become the worst losser of any election.
Posted by: Daniel | April 9, 2008, 9:51 am 9:51 am
Ms. Norris asked Sen. Clinton twice and to clarify her meaning of a “double standard”… and twice she didn’t answer the question… Sen. Clinton completely loss my respect and support for how she run her campaign… She’s been the most negative, she’s lied throughout this campgian, she’s cried victim on one hand, then talks about how much of a fighter she is, one minute she holding Sen. Obama hand saying she so honored, and the next day she was screaming that the top of her lungs attacking him… Sen. Clinton has run an ugly campiagn, that’s the only way she will win… She can’t run a positive campaign because she lacks character… She is losing because she used negativity to try and win… Sen. Obama for the most part has tried to take the high-road, and usually goes of the offensive once he’s been attacked by Sen Clinton or her surrogates…
People in the Democratic Party are tired are ugly and negative campaining… they want change… they want positive and inspirational leadership… That’s why Sen. Obama has attracted so many voters, especially new and young voters…
Posted by: Independenthinker | April 9, 2008, 9:58 am 9:58 am
Rules are to help the people, not simply to help the party. A party is made of the party’s vote base which is the people. No people- no party.
The rules of a democracy dont disenfranchise people- if they do then its no democracy. Its not Hillary or Obama, or Florida residents that caused the Michigan and Florida primaries to be advanced- it is the Florida Government. Basically in a democracy people cannot be disenfranchised for no fault of theirs- rules that disenfranchise people are undemocratic and autocratic. If the unjust rules are touted- then change the name of the DEMOCRATIC PARTY to ‘UNDEMOCRATIC PARTY’. Democracy is people centric- not party centric. Democracy does not punish people and prosecute them for mistakes they did not do. If this happens it will be a stepping stone to people wanting something else than democracy.
Posted by: Simon | April 9, 2008, 10:01 am 10:01 am
Hillary, you are soooo right! You are not doing anything Obama’s camp isn’t doing and getting away with it in the media. What about the threats and harrassment Obama’s camp has directed toward anyone supporting Hillary? Come on folks- politics is dirty and Obama has a Old style Chicago godfather guiding his political tactics. GO HILLARY! DON’T QUIT! The race is CLOSE – not a landslide for Obama and Obama cannot break away with his 4 – to-1 spending advantage. He is unable to buy his lead – so stay in the race Hillary. My Republican husband admitted he was going to vote Democratic because you were right about McCain on the issues “He’s dead wrong”. Obama has said nothing to sway my husband to vote democratic.
Posted by: this election counts | April 9, 2008, 10:04 am 10:04 am
meneither123…you better contact the media…if it were taht simple…are you implying that the media is stepping aside and allowing Obama claim TX? Check the DNC web site…he won tX…next!
and by the way…the very thing you ‘claim’ His voters did to get TX, is being [attempted] by HRC with the FL & MI votes….the y will vote in the general election.
PLEASE ASK: Did HRC sign the same agreement as BHO regasrding the FL & MI elections?
ANSWER!
They both said that they would follow the rules…so it is very unfair AFTER THE VOTE DID NOT GO HER WAY to cry that OBAMA is not allowing the votes.
It is not up to him
Posted by: tealwomin | April 9, 2008, 10:07 am 10:07 am
To all you posters who are denying the fact that there is a doulbe standard, you are just exemplifying the reason sexism is still so prevalent in America.
Posted by: Mitch | April 9, 2008, 10:16 am 10:16 am
she’s 100% right. There is a double standard. The media has been attacking Hillary throughout this campaign and they LOVE Obama.
lou dobbs at cnn has reported on it. 83% of the media has been favorable towards obama, only 50% to clinton.
the media is trying to decide the race for voters.
they are sexist and it’s disgusting.
Posted by: Maddie | April 9, 2008, 10:19 am 10:19 am
Yeah yeah yeah::::sexism [& RACISM]is still so prevalent in America!
THAT DOES NOT MEASN IT SHOULD BE USED when it is not the case….
look at the facts of a situation…weight the bare facts alone…no emotions need apply
ASK::: if it were the other person, [HRD or BHO], how would you judge it?
Now look at the way you yourself judged it differently based upon who you back for president…
Posted by: tealwomin | April 9, 2008, 10:22 am 10:22 am
It’ll be nice to see Clinton win almost all of the remaining states as Obama-heads explode. Itll be funnny when everbody realizes that Obama has lost because of his radical anti-american pastor combined with the bizarre bias that is portayed by the media. I know you all hate HIllary because she is a woman and a politician, but too bad, shes going to be yours for teh next few years. Fortuantly shell be gracious enough to take obama as her VP, (which is more than can be said for him) women tend to share better than men.
Posted by: Alison | April 9, 2008, 10:30 am 10:30 am
“You are no better than countries who stone women”
they stone men too!
so it’s Ok when HRC throws the kitchen sink at OBAMS, he absorbs the blows…now it’s her turn and GUESS WHAT, nobody threw a sink at her…it’s her own sink OVER FLOWING back onto her…and she can’t handle her own truth…
again WTFreak???
Posted by: tealwomin | April 9, 2008, 10:33 am 10:33 am
Where’s the media rip? What she said was about the Obama people not the media. She keeps bringing up MI and FLA and blaming obama for no re-votes. He didn’t make the rules, he only agreed to follow them as did Clinton until she was losing. I’m in MI and our re-vote didn’t happen because our politicians couldn’t get it together and find a legal and fair way to redo the vote. While I understand the people asking her to quit it was short-sighted. Hillary will end this when it is obvious to her that she can’t win and not before.
The only people who seem to be angry about the re-votes are Hillary’s supporters. The rest of us know who is responsible and will deal with them accordingly. We will vote in November for the democratic candidate. because we are not going abandon our core values out of spite and disenfranchise ourselves.
Posted by: Psdunc | April 9, 2008, 10:35 am 10:35 am
Besides, Obama will lose because most of teh remaining contests are primaries which Clinton is strong in. Obama is strong in caucuses. Hes like a rock band that everone says they like in public, but in the privacy of their own home theyd rather listen to something else.
Hahaha, Pushy caucuses and Phoney media crap making up peoples minds!
Posted by: ALicon | April 9, 2008, 10:37 am 10:37 am
i’m willing to talk directly about any issue…as i don’t HATE HRC or BHO.
true, right now and for a while, i’ve been in BHO’s corner…and not because he won the most ANYTHING, but because he has some great plans for ALL OF AMERICA.
I did not come in with my mind made up…it’s been a developing story day by day…
i visist both web sites, i read, i TRY to keep the emotions in check…I’m happy when they BOTH do well…I’ll vote along party line…yes even if it is HRC….as long as it’s fair and done by the rules…..NOT MY RULES…but established rules…
Posted by: tealwomin | April 9, 2008, 10:41 am 10:41 am
Psdunc ::: well said!
i’m going to work…but i’ll read from work…can’t post…
lets keep it fair…PLEAASE
Posted by: tealwomin | April 9, 2008, 10:45 am 10:45 am
Obama was such a wimp at the hearing yesterday. Here is someone running on change and then he is looking for the status quo. Amazing!! A true hypocrite. He knows that the word change would capture people’s attention but is he really about change?? He just does not have the skills to take a stance and he is all about the status quo. Wake up people, support Hillary, she will bring about true change. She is smart, capable and strong. She will be a very strong president and America needs one.
Posted by: Voter | April 9, 2008, 10:45 am 10:45 am
Telawomin,
I guess you havent been watching the media. Hillary (as usual) has been retrained in her attacks on Obama, she cant say anything about this guy, nor can Bill. He mentions taht Jesse Jackson won SC, and its like he called Obama the N-word. They cant say anything without being called out as racially attacking. But I guess teh standards ARE higher for them, they have more expectations and history. No expectations on Obaama except “hope” and “change”! Lol. She said the word “kitchen sink” nad evrone calls her a dirty player? What has she done thats so dirty, or are you just another blind supporter of Obama. As far a the stoning woman comment, actually woman tend to be stoned by their communities (which are run by men) for crimes there is no evidence for (usually accused adultery – more like, now youve done all teh work and your husbands sick of you, you have to die)
Posted by: ALison | April 9, 2008, 10:48 am 10:48 am
Only a Clinton could bewail the “disenfranchising” the voters in Florida and Michigan and then effortlessly suggest that pledged delegates are free to ignore the outcome of caucuses and primaries and annoint her the nominee. At what point with the media begin calling her on the patent incompatibility of the two arguments?
Posted by: Peter Venkman | April 9, 2008, 11:05 am 11:05 am
Whiners don’t make good presidents. Nor do people who can’t get their facts straight. Go Barack Obama.
Posted by: Andy | April 9, 2008, 11:05 am 11:05 am
Following these blogs all I can say…In Florida, Obama has NO chance. We will be writing in Hillary CLinton for President if we have to…Our votes will count or Florida will once again easily be handed over to the Republicans.
I saw some postings from Obama supporters regarding Florida and their efforts to try to keep our voices silenced.
It will backfire big time! And the supers know this well. Pennsylvania will be a big surprise. NC another. Reviewing the polls yesterday and today, Hillary is clearly moving up again!
No matter if she is outspent 4 to 1, Obama has no chance. Give it up Obamanots…we’ll be sending him back to Illinois very soon! He can stay there, he has no chance to be president.
Posted by: A | April 9, 2008, 11:18 am 11:18 am
ANY STORY THAT IS SLIGHTLY FAVORLE TO CLINTON OR SLIGHTLY CRITICAL OF OBAMA IS GETTING BURIED>>>>>Where is “Obama’s trip to Pakistan” Where is “This is the Double Standard Clinton Was Talking About”?
Posted by: Jackie | April 9, 2008, 11:26 am 11:26 am
Yes WE Can…At the root of all competitivness is violence and if as a people you can’t see this then we are all doomed no matter who receives the presidency. People in this country can be just as frightening as al-quida in Iraq. Saddens my heart to see so much rage in this world and it will never cease
Posted by: Luca | April 9, 2008, 11:26 am 11:26 am
To seah, you are rambling….Obama has not trased HRC as she has everyone else until they are the last two in the race. HRC is ALWAYS pointing her finger at Obama when things are not going her way, where was she when FL/MI leaders changed the primary date and when the voters were informed their primary would not count.
Obama only started disenfranchising these states when she needed a scapegoat. Besides she will not win in MI if they did revote especially since she only received 55% of the votes cast while essentially running by herself. If you are the only person on a ballot receiving such a low percentage is embarrasing.
Your comments have ABSOLUTELY no validity.
Posted by: Carol | April 9, 2008, 11:31 am 11:31 am
once again-Clinton attempts to turn the tables. Is she not the one who claims she can be called at 3:am? She can’t even be called to answer a straight forward question-those wanting her to lead our country need to think about this-
Posted by: Sophia | April 9, 2008, 11:36 am 11:36 am
Here we go again!
Posted by: LongT | April 9, 2008, 11:41 am 11:41 am
Rachel, super duper tsunami tuesday is NOT a double standard, ie b/c, to quote a favorite Obama phrase, “What she meant was,” it has historically predicted the frontrunner and has historically not been close. SO you cannot compare super tuesday predictions with not allowing a revote. Second, Obama opposed Florida’s mail in revote but SPONSORED a bill in congress to allow voting by mail to expand the voting rights of disenfranchised voters. He claimed the florida revote would be unfair–but then how do you justify being the sponsor of a federal bill to do the same? The candidates voluntarily removed names on Michigan’s ballot, hillary did not. Hillary Clinton kept her name on Michigan’s ballot because even though she accepted the rules of the DNC, said in Oct 2007 that those same rules still disenfrachised the voters and that to win in November you have to win Michigan. Obama had ads up in Florida ie campaigned there, but no one will talk about that. OH, and about that pastor thign: Obama LIED. He lied on AC360 about not hearing rhetoric then admitted having heard it 2 days later in a speech for which he was lauded. Please explain how there’s no double standard. (Not to mention that the NYT covered the issue of Wright April 30, 2007 and that Obama uninvited him to give the invocation of his announcement to run precisely b/c Wright could be inflamatory)Obama is ahead by maybe 2 pionts in the popular vote and will need superdelegates to win.
Posted by: Aidan | April 9, 2008, 11:46 am 11:46 am
There have been double standards in this election. What holds true for Hillary doesn’t seem to apply to Obama. He wants more white votes yet one of his white delegates was dismissed for telling some kids to quit climbing in trees like monkeys. These kids happen to be black and the mother called her racist.She was dismissed and fined. What parent hasn’t called their kids monkeys for climbing all over everything. I said it before and I’ll say it again, since the Wright issue and Obamas’ speech on race we have been set back 40 years on race relations. You can’t say anything without being called a racist. I guess us “typical white people” will have to buy a book on how to talk to blacks so we won’t be called racist. They (being blacks) can say and do anything they want without any repercussion at all. Look at some of the things that have spewed from Wrights mouth and nothing has been done. I call that a traitor and Obama supports him. Now that’s double standards.
Posted by: C Good | April 9, 2008, 11:50 am 11:50 am
Sophia…calling someone an idiot is simply cheap and idiotic. First of all, the DNC should have penalized Nevada and South Carolina as well for moving up there primaries. Treat all states equally.
If you really believe leaving the situation as is and simply telling me to change the status quo in my state will simply resolve this issue by November then you are the IDIOT.
Sorry but it won’t work that way. And your candidate will NOT win in November.
Your flowering chants and revolutionary call will not work in a general election. See the numbers: PA, OH, FL…no way for Obama to win! Sorry but that’s the way it is.
Florida will write in Hillary Clinton. We love Bill Nelson and we love Mel Martinez. See…Florida won’t buy your extremist policies and ideals…we like a well balanced approach to finding solutions…you want a revilution…well you will have to trash our constitution to get what you want and most American love their country and are so Proud to call ourselves Americans!
Obama does NOT deserve to be president and Florida will once again decide this election.
So to the other person who said we don’t count…hahaha meet me here in November, we’ll see who is laughing.
Posted by: A | April 9, 2008, 11:50 am 11:50 am
What HRC doesn’t get is RULES ARE RULES.
The rules were to not include MI and FL for disobeying the DNC. Obama and Clinton both agreed when it was done.
The rules at the beginning was that the delegate count determined the winner.
While it is true that neither candidate will get to 2025, there is a difference in how many they still need to obtain.
From this point on, Obamam needs 383 more delegates and Clinton needs 512 delegates.
If the polls are accurate, then after Indiana, Obama will need 194 and Clinton will need 350.
See a trend?
Yes, the Superdelgates will have to sep in, but as the delegate count continues to go in Obama’s direction, less and less Superdelegates will be required to vote to make a difference.
Eventually we will get to a point of no return, and that will be before the convention.
If Clinton wants to take the nomination, then she needs to start winning where it counts…with delegates!
Posted by: MANDY, California | April 9, 2008, 11:56 am 11:56 am
What a dumb article. Clinton is splitting hairs to justify her position in this race which is SECOND PLACE~! Obama will have the lead in popular vote and delegate count when the remaining states are counted. That means he will be in first place…and there is absolutely no way that the Democratic party will cast aside the first African American candidate and put the second place person as the nominee. If any of you think will really happen, you are living in a fantasy world…and I have some oceanfront property in Kansas to sell you.
Posted by: Brad | April 9, 2008, 11:58 am 11:58 am
Wah, Wah, Wah Poor Hillary!
Posted by: the curmudgeon | April 9, 2008, 11:59 am 11:59 am
My $50 went to Obama’s campaign, which I happily support.
Ever wonder why the Clinton’s don’t put more of THEIR OWN money into the campaign?? Bad investment??
She’s at the helm of a totally mismanaged campaign which is leaking profusely. She doesn’t have enough funds to go on, yet she still has unpaid bills to schools and business owners for her campaign rallies. Can they not pay the delinquint bills from their Cayman Island off shore bank accounts or their 109 million??
Come on people – wake up.
Posted by: Mark | April 9, 2008, 12:06 pm 12:06 pm
It is the height of disingenuousness (“disingenuity?”) to equate Clinton and Obama’s positions in this campaign by saying “neither can win without the superdelegates.”
Anyone who’s even casually followed the campaign can see that, by and large, Obama has had most of the momentum and the energy in this race, almost steadily since Iowa. Yes, Clinton eked out a 2.5% win in NH. She squeaked by in Nevada and got fewer delegates. Super Tuesday was a draw. Forget February entirely if you’re Hillary: the closest she came was, what, 17 points?
Granted, she won Ohio handily (9 or 10 points), but probably in retrospect because Obama’s campaign shot themselves in the foot with the Goolsbee foolishness, and she flim-flammed the Ohio voters with the fiction that she secretly opposed NAFTA (her schedules hadn’t been released yet).
She won the TX primary by 2 or 3 points, but lost the caucus, and ended up with 5 or so fewer delegates. Obama blew her away in Mississippi.
Now she’s watching her formidable PA lead melt away like morning dew.
In the meantime, of course, we’ve had the Wright controversy, which Obama appears to have handled rather deftly (although Jeremiah will be back, I’m sure), and the constant turmoil in HRC’s campaign, with the Tusla sniper-fire story thrown in for good measure.
The bottom line is this. Yes, there has been a double standard: Obama has set one of excellence in the way he has organized and managed his campaign and his message; and Hillary has set another for how to squander substantial advantages by mismanaging your campaign and having a tin ear in discerning the public mood.
All that remains is for someone to pick up the dead mouse by the tail and drop it in the toilet.
Posted by: jac13 | April 9, 2008, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm
the public is becoming outraged about the double standard and media bias against clinton. You may witness this for yourself on Friday April 11th in front of Rockefeller Ctr at 8 am as a rally will take place expressly protesting this and voter suppression
Posted by: indigo | April 9, 2008, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm
She’s right, there is clearly a double standard; any candidate other than her who ran a campaign so poorly would have been forced out of the race long ago.
Posted by: Damon | April 9, 2008, 12:18 pm 12:18 pm
Obama is a fraud and the media has hid it. And when something comes out negative on Obama they drop it like a hot potato. The media is out of control. Wheen they think the choice of President of the United States is their choice to make and not the American Public’s, they have a real problem. And by showing only the positive of one candidate and he negative of another, this is i fact, them slanting voters to get their choice. I just hope the future voters recognize this.
Posted by: PMC | April 9, 2008, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm
Accountability. Odd word, and these days also a warped meaning. People yelling about the DNC’s decision to ban delegates. People yelling about failure to meet terms to include voters. It’s this guy’s fault and that guy’s fault.
People, it’s a simple matter of action and reaction. The initiating ACTION was the states decision to move their primary dates in violation of rules. Everything else since then has been reaction.
Hillary supporters now want to blame everyone else. WHY? Need someone to blame, aim your cannons at your own elected officials who caused the initial Action. It’s not Obama’s fault, it’s not Dean’s Fault, it’s not the DNC’s fault.
IF you folks had cared enough to be active in politics back when your officials were elected as you seem to be now, perhaps the losers who DID cause this wouldn’t be there to begin with.
I suspect that once the FAD of this election cycle wears off, we’re gonna fall back off to the average of 30 percent turnout that care at all.
Sure wish all you people who suddenly care were around to help us out 2, 4, 6, and 8 years ago when all these losers in office now were elected. Maybe we would have been in much better shape today.
I love seeing you all now involved, and I hope I am wrong about it being a FAD. But I would love to see this continued involvement this time and the time after, and the time after that. Perhaps in that way, we won’t empower elite power mongers to make bonehead plays that gets us into these kind of election and nomination hassles.
Posted by: Joe | April 9, 2008, 12:24 pm 12:24 pm
And I quote, “All that remains is for someone to pick up the dead mouse by the tail and drop it in the toilet.” – this is from an Obama supporter…Americans look at their language and hostility towards those who are against their candidate.
And you call this UNITY? Obama and his cult-like Communist followers have destroyed the Democratic Party.
Hillary Clinton is the only legitimate nominee for the Democratic Party, Obama will loose BIG TIME to McCain.
I just sent $100 to Hillary Clinton for President.
Hillary supporters contribute now. Let’s show them how strong we are!
Posted by: Floridian | April 9, 2008, 12:25 pm 12:25 pm
i am so sick of the media and obama supporters! hillary clinton is a viable democratic presidential nominee. in some views, she is a MORE viable candidate for november. obama’s wins have largely come from “red” states and caucuses–neither of which will matter in november. aside from the black vote, clinton has a strong hold on every other sect of the democratic base. she has won every big state (aside from Illinois), and her wins in florida (which DID have obama’s name on the ballot, and in which he DID run a national campaign ad) and ohio show she can potentially claim important swing states.
all the trash talk spin associated with hillary can just as easily be spun back at the obama camp. he is just as politically motivated as she is. frankly, that’s ok with me. it’s politics. but what really irks me is his holier than thou, he’s not a part of “washington politics as usual,” he’s not in the pockets of lobbyists etc. etc. where is the media coverage of his campaign contributors? yes, he has not DIRECTLY received contributions from lobbyists, but he has earned financing from their wives and has benefited from other loophole ways of taking money from them while claiming he hasn’t. obama is not a pristine candidate either. every single choice he makes is tied to his political ambitions (even joining wright’s church, though that somewhat proved consequential). the difference between obama and hillary is that obama often gets a free pass with the press. however, if he becomes the democratic nominee i guarantee those days are over. the press will have no choice to air the dirt the republicans will dig up on him. for all the obama supporters calling hillary a monster, i hope you toughen your skin for the republican monsters. they are a million times worse than hillary.
bottom line, it’s okay to support someone whole heartedly. in fact, it’s awesome to be able to do that. i feel that away about hillary myself. yet, obama supporters too often show their support by hating hillary rather than by displaying the many reasons they must have for loving him. why don’t you all really jump on the obama bandwagon and adopt his positive tone…because without it, you appear to simply be adopting the newest fad tv told you too, barack obama.
Posted by: andrea Ryan | April 9, 2008, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm
I remember when the Media bias was for Bush, and look what we got. The Medias bias against Hillary is astonding. I hav never been a follower and when everyone seems to be saying do this, I do that. I lead, I make My own decisions. They did not fool me the Bush, I told everyone I knew just who bush was and what he would do if elected and it all proved true.
My husband is black, my children are mixed and yet I will not vote for Obama on ANY ticket. Originally I was leaning towards him and oddly enough it was my husband who pointed out that he needed another look. When I researched him on the internet I found a lot of troubling FACTS that the media has not reported on. To many issues that spoke to his misjudgement. My husband says that we should all call ourselves Americans-
not black or white. That is the only way we can unite in this country.
I have been to many, and am a member of a black church and I have never, ever heard any of them speak in the terms that the Rev Wright did. It matters not what else he said, he still said the racist remarks, he still DAMED america,
He still spread the venom of hate. If he read his Bible he would know that the power of life and death is in the tongue. Perhaps those words we few, but they were there. The Fact that Obama as excused the cancer of hate proves to me that he cannot unite us.
No this division in the party is for
real and if I have to chose between my country and my party- well American Comes First. I will cross the line if Obama is on the ticket and vote for MCcain.
Posted by: Joyce | April 9, 2008, 12:33 pm 12:33 pm
Hillary – We are all tired, we have primary fatique. The sooner you get booted out the better for the Democratic Party and the country.
Posted by: latinovoter1 | April 9, 2008, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm
Hm. Well, what if she isn’t lying? Then, it just makes her sound like she doesn’t know how the electoral process works. As in, how it’s going to be practically impossible for her to overturn his pledged delegate lead and the way things are going, also the popular vote and the superdelegates. And her campaign is about broke. Well, then…maybe she’s not lying, but she’s really, really out of touch?
Posted by: Malian | April 9, 2008, 12:40 pm 12:40 pm
seah: details please?
Posted by: drzoon | April 9, 2008, 12:43 pm 12:43 pm
On second thought, no. This is the type of self-deception that really embarrasses me as a woman, is when you blame everything on sexism. Sometimes a person lies, or fails, or whatever. Sometimes that person happens to be a woman. People aren’t obliged to feel sorry for you if you can’t deliver the goods as a professional. Affirmative action is supposed to cover that during your education. I guess the last time she reviewed her ideas about women’s role in society was at Wellesley in 1969.
Posted by: Malian | April 9, 2008, 12:46 pm 12:46 pm
I am continually amused at the media biting on Hillary’s “double standard” talk.
Folks, the media gives Hillary’s campaign way more benefit of the doubt than it deserves. By the numbers, Hillary *cannot win*. Yet the media continues the “neck and neck” horserace storyline that only benefits Hillary. If the situation were reversed and had Obama lost nine primaries in a row, the media would be portraying him as they did Huckabee after Florida.
Yep, there’s a double standard all right.
Posted by: Tiny Tim | April 9, 2008, 12:57 pm 12:57 pm
Obama won Caucuses in Texas only proved his win is not real.
Posted by: Jake | April 9, 2008, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm
Clinton: If it were up to her, why would the Democrats even hold elections in 35 of the states. We should only hold primaries in the states that Dems need to win in order to combat the Southern Strategy Nixon used to gain the Presidency.
Obama: He seems to be trying to run a national campaign…in all states. He has embraced the strategy that Howard Dean used to gain back control of the House and Senate….by competing in all states and in all Districts.
Conclusion: Hillary’s strategy was to put this thing to bed on Super Tuesday. She was in full agreement with the sanctions on Florida and Michigan…because she thought it wouldn’t matter. If she cannot win in North Dakota…that is her fault, not Obama’s. If she cannot win under the rules she agreed to…that is her fault…not Obama’s.
Oh yeah…I am a republican voting for anyone other than McCain or the democrat. I just think Hillary is being unreasonable when looking at revisionist history.
Posted by: Don | April 9, 2008, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm
We should have a discussion about Character, Integrity, Honor, Honesty, Truthfulness and Responsibility.
Both Sen. Obama and Sen. Clinton “Signed” a Pledge in regards to the Florida and Michigan votes. The Pledge included a statement that their votes would Not count. Mrs. Clinton put her Signature on this Pledge as did Sen. Obama.
We’ve heard all the stories from Mrs. Clinton about why the votes from FL and MI should now be counted, even though in MI, her name was the only name on the ballot. We have not heard any talk about the Pledge that Mrs. Clinton affixed her Signature.
What conclusions can be drawn from this? It appears that her Signature on a Pledge means nothing to Mrs. Clinton. Does this not go directly to the Character, Honor, Integrity and Truthfulness of Mrs. Clinton? I believe it does, where is that discussion and why is that never brought in the press?
Posted by: Frank | April 9, 2008, 1:03 pm 1:03 pm
if hillary wins by superdelegates how is this an overturn of the people’s will?
a) the dnc established the role of superdelegates. no one in the democratic party should complain when superdelegates get their chance to vote. as party insiders their job is to do vote in a way that is best for the party. it’s the dnc’s own rules. why are people so worried? are you scared that they may realize she carries the majority of the base and that she can win the important states and vote what is best for the party? well, that is their job. why don’t we let them do their job and then argue over why we think they did it wrong.
b) hillary’s point is that the state’s who bring democrats national wins are in the states SHE HAS WON. what about those people? shouldn’t their vote count? why should anyone’s vote count more than another? if you want to argue that obama has the popular vote, you must first count florida and michigan and every superdelegate. until then, there is no true winner.
Posted by: andrea | April 9, 2008, 1:06 pm 1:06 pm
You really have to think this thing through. Who in their right mind want an old woman for president? Suppose there is really a 3am call and Hillary is having a PMS fit or some or some other kind of femine stuff, then what. It won”t work! She married and she should devote her time to her husband. I”m sure he”s older than she is, so he probably needs a woman to do things for him.
Posted by: jbate | April 9, 2008, 1:07 pm 1:07 pm
I will also vote for McCain over Obama. Something is not right about Obama and I think he’s shown plenty of things that people just keep ignoring. Keep ingoring people. Ignorance is bliss until McCain is your President.
Posted by: Nikki | April 9, 2008, 1:09 pm 1:09 pm
Typical Clinton….follow Republican tactics and delect blame for running a poor campaign (or the country) by blaming the media…it is very, very, tiresome.
Posted by: indy_voter | April 9, 2008, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm
The media has gone very harsh on Hillary Clinton and at every step it has used different yardsticks to guage Hillary and Obama. This cannot continue.
Obama gets afree pass in the press for the very obvious reason. ‘HE IS BLACK’ and he is using his color to his full advantage. Nobody wants to criticize him due to the fear of being branded racist. I know of many people that are supporing him because they want to give an impression that they are not being progressive (not racist). What Geralding Ferraro said is very very true.
The results are going to prove that whatever the media does to get Obama nominated, its the will of the people that prevails. And people (Florida and Michigan) are going to keep him out.
Hillary Clinton….You are the best.
Posted by: Sujesh | April 9, 2008, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm
From the day the media JUMPED on Hillary for Illegal Immigrant Drive’s license; it was obvious – there would be a double standard. Even when other candidates had the same answer, the focus was on her. The media better pray that she loses this election, because if she win’s the Presidency, I hope she makes all the trashy media pay, pay, pay and pay some more.
Posted by: NYCStylez | April 9, 2008, 1:19 pm 1:19 pm
Well I got news for you NYCStylez, your Hillary AINT never going to be President..not because of the liberal media but because of who she is!!
Posted by: anven | April 9, 2008, 1:26 pm 1:26 pm
First, Hillary was accused of going negative, when in fact…I found Obama’s campaign doing the “negative” first and still going. You have to be very blind not to see it.
Second, every thing Obama has embellsihed has been ignored. There wasn’t any involvement with asbestos…I found that information too.
Then he stated that he was involved in activism…..I read what type of activism he was supposely invovled in, not much there either and some of that was embellished.
He states he wants to stay above the frey, but encourages is surrogates to do it for him, so he can speak on the “high podium”.
He makes a speech on Race to recover his rear end from the Wright ordeal. It wasn’t about race so much, and quite frankly it was like watching someone trying to sell land that wasn’t his to sell in the first place, and screwing those who like in the process. (Most of you won’t get that, I do)
You don’t have to black to get this. Common People, his marketing material, not Presidetial Material. He will make this country more divided and then point the finger at someone else.
Posted by: Cybergo | April 9, 2008, 1:27 pm 1:27 pm
FYI
I keep hearing about Obama winning 11 straight contests. A caucus is not Democratic. It is a fraction of the state standing in line for up to 12 hours, as was reported at one caucus. That is not Democracy. What about the voice of the elderly or ill, the single Mom? Do they not matter in this process because they vote Hillary?
When you hear OUR VOICE as to the bias and sexism it will resound loudly. You can hear the hate right in this room. Crying, whinning, willing to do anything to win, liar, etc. These are things the media are saying..BUT they are things Obama is doing and it is not being reported on, among other revelations of this candidate. This same media bias and hate will be used against your candidate, IF he gets the nomination and trust me, WE WILL NOT CARE AS WE HEAD TO THE VOTING BOOTH TO VOTE McCAIN!! GET IT PEOPLE. This WILL
happen to your candidate but your voice will be muffled like Fl. & Mi. as you were not there to stand up for theirs and others voices!! GET READY…your turn cometh!!
Posted by: Brenda P. | April 9, 2008, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm
Counting Florida and Michigan delegates now will make the Democratic party look like the most wish washy bunch of of people ever. I mean what’s the point of making rules, if they are going to let states break them. Whats the point of handing out punishments, if they’re are going to reverse that too? What Flip-Floppers they will look like. What’s wrong with taking a stand and sticking to it?
I dont understand why FL and MI are now so important to Hillary when she was ok with thme not counting from the get-go…wait, i do, she needs them now. I can hear her now, she’s going to say she agreed to them not counting hoping they count. Something like she said during a debate. She voted on a Bill hoping it would not pass. Her votes are to stay in good graces thats all.
Posted by: Veronica411 | April 9, 2008, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm
Sorry Obamanuts but at this point, superdelegates will have to make their own choice. The will of the people – well if that’s what you want, please tell Kennedy and Kerry to switch the voted for Hillary as the will of the people of MA was for her! She won that state BIG TIME!
So what is the will of the people? Supers will gauge the momentum from PA, Indiana, West Virginia, Kentucky, Puerto Rico which will all go for Hillary Clinton.
So to the person who called her the “dead mouse” she sure is ALIVE and STRONG…just wait….April 22nd will be a MAJOR SURPRISE!
Madame President! Florida has your back. If your not our nominee, then I will vote for McCain or write your name in your honor!
Posted by: A | April 9, 2008, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm
Who in their right mind want an old woman for president. Suppose there is really a 3am call and Hillary is having a PMS fit or something, then what. It won’t work! She married and she should devote her time to her husband. He old too an maybe he need the woman to do thing for him. Just in case, she gotta stick around.
Posted by: jbate | April 9, 2008, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm
“Well when 30million of us vote for MCcain you will get it what the double standard is.”
This is called cutting off your nose to spite your face. What we will “get” if McCain wins is four more years of Bush policies on war, tax breaks for the rich, and destruction of the environment we all depend on to live. Is that what you want? Not me. I’m disgusted by Clinton’s campaign tactics, and I deeply hope Obama wins, but even if Clinton steals it (and yes, that’s what it would be in my view) I would still vote for her because both Democrats’ ideas and proposals are so much better than McCain’s. I will not vote sour grapes. I will vote for the candidate who gives the best chance of leading us to a better world. For me that’s Obama, and if he isn’t the nominee, then it’s Clinton. It will never be McCain.
Posted by: Tom | April 9, 2008, 1:34 pm 1:34 pm
“WE WILL NOT CARE AS WE HEAD TO THE VOTING BOOTH TO VOTE McCAIN!! GET IT PEOPLE. ”
Very nice…
I personally will vote on who is planning on getting our soldiers out of Iraq. I do care.
And one more thing. Caucuses have been going on forever. If they were so inconstitutional, or whatever, why is it that Hillary didnt complain before the primary or in the past as a Senator. I’ll tell you why, because it wasnt until this Primary that she sees she does terrible in them and they do not work to her advantage.
Posted by: veronica411 | April 9, 2008, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm
Hillary is upset because all the press is not favoring her. Was it her fault regarding Bosnia, her campaign with its problems, her demeanor, her changing slogans and personalities. Yes. She actually is getting better press than she thinks. And why does she have to keep changing the goal post to win. And remember that win in New Hampshire. Big win! He got 9 delegates and she got 9. And in Texas he got 99 and she got 94. And so far the press has given her a pass on the fact that it was her campaign that was involved in the Canada Nafta problem not Obama’s. And she is trying to change the rules regarding Michigan and Florida. She has tried every thing she can think of. Why not follow the original rules. The delegates can be seated and count what they were supposed to to begin with. When you are losing you don’t get to change the rules to win. Remember when Al Gore tried that. It didn’t work. Rules are rules. Hillary needs to keep that in mind.
Posted by: ktlin | April 9, 2008, 1:45 pm 1:45 pm
What is clear is that Obama’s campaign is strong. If Obama is strong is not yet clear. WHat is ALSO VERY CLEAR is that Hillary is Very Very Strong and her campaign is not as strong.
The Obama camp wants the race over so they can be the winners? NO so the pain of being in the race can be over? Yes!!
Hillary wants it to keep going because what other path is there? To Quit? Obama needs the super delegates to win…why doesn’t he quit? Such a suggestion would be called racist very quickly by the Obama campaign.
I hope the world will remember that if the dem thing was a “winner” take all Obama would be losing by 800 pledged delegates and his money wagon would have flat tires… Everybody wants to back a winner and Obama is loudest at claiming he is the winner. He is not nearly as loud at what he has won, ot what he is fighting for however, or how he has won it or where he has come from etc. etc.
It is all coulda woulda shoulda by wanabes.
I have supported HIllary and I try to be fair in my assesment. Yesterday I used the N word to my father about Obama I was so furious about the media hype. And Obams passive agressive stance when He says “who me”? when his campaign clearly palys hard ball if not dirty polotics straight out of the Harvard play book.
I mean this is the same media hype that kiled Princess DI and Keeps Mrs. Joe Dimaggioi alive long after she was found dead. The same media that extols MLK and pretends that hate speech in the 60′s is OK if you are black and mad but not is you are white and mad.
Obama clearly thinks it is OK for his children to hear hate speech.
If he makes another speech abnout race will that help? NO WAY! It will simply allow his posse to saddle up with the media again.
Posted by: ttgg | April 9, 2008, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm
One story: The night before Super Tuesday, NBC broadcast the Law & Order:SVU, which implicitly indicated that a female US senator from New York who is running for president had sex with a criminal just to get more money from him. Not sure how far media can go to support or destroy one candidate, but certainly media has set up a new standard for themselves in this election.
Posted by: Media Decide 2008 | April 9, 2008, 1:53 pm 1:53 pm
How can Hillary complain of double standards when she can’t even tell you what the double standard is? She’s just complaining to hope to get some sympathy. It’s like someone calling something racist just to get some action.
Posted by: Gerry | April 9, 2008, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm
Hillary is telling the truth. The media has been against her just as they were against AlGore. They bombarded Gore with so much negative attention and higlighted some of his misquotes as lies. GWB got annointed because he managed to make to election so close that it was possible. Had the media played the role of an honest broker, we would not be in this situation with Iraq. They are doing the same sort of thing with Hillary. The media does not like strong presidents because they are dumbed down themselves. There are so many journalists who report from the armchair of their homes without being on the field. The one’s on the field are not smart enough to ask the tough questions. They just fill in the blanks with trashy news and leave out all the important policy questions. The Media is to blame. They would rather have the dumb Obama than the smart and strong Hillary. If Obama wins the primary, I hope there will be plenty of Americans who will support a McCain Administration. Obama is so liberal that the only way he will fill up the coffers is by taxing us. People are already losing their homes, the sub-prime slum lord owes so much to the subprime lenders that he will just look the other way. Imagine, higher payroll taxes and higher interest rates for your homes. We will all be homeless soon!
Posted by: Voter | April 9, 2008, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm
Americans will vote for McCain over someone like Obama who thinks that the status quo in Iraq is enough to bring the troops home. Shows Obama’s ignorance! It also shows his lack of knowledge with foreign policy. “I will be happy with the Status quo” Anyone who watched yesterday’s hearing will know!
Posted by: Voter | April 9, 2008, 2:15 pm 2:15 pm
“Play the victim,” Take 35. What a sad precedent for a “First Woman President” … and a disservice to all of us women.
Posted by: Robin Hall | April 9, 2008, 2:17 pm 2:17 pm
Hillary has a point here- in order to win the nomination, you have to get the magic number of 2,025. There is no reason for anybody to ask her to quit. As a matter of fact, for her to quit in the middle of the game is a cowardice act on the opponent’s part- esp. when asked to quit.
Obama said arrogantly- that she can run for as long as she wants. What happened to his unifying spells? Noone agrees with him anymore?
Obama is a flip-flopper. The next thing you will hear from him, IF he becomes the next president, is ” I did not make that decision to not end the war, my advisors did. “
Posted by: Copper | April 9, 2008, 2:26 pm 2:26 pm
Hillary wrote the book on double-standard! Who does she think she’s fooling??!? She’s peddling baloney, and I guess that’s all she knows how to do.
Posted by: Sallie | April 9, 2008, 2:28 pm 2:28 pm
It’s a double standard because, “she’s a woman.”
Posted by: Cindy | April 9, 2008, 2:28 pm 2:28 pm
She’s always playing the victim. Nothing is ever her fault. She never takes responsibility for anything. Sheeesh. This is leadership? I’m getting really tired of her… and I kind of liked her at first too.
She’s created her bed. I think the media has been pretty rough on Obama too, seeing what they can do with what they have to knock him down. But he seems to just deal with it.
This is, in my opinion, a big difference.
Posted by: Chris | April 9, 2008, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm
Why are Obama supporters not realizing that Obama would and has been doing the same thing, winning in any way he can. Hillary Clinton’s point is an important one, that there is a questionable nature to her candidacy that seeks to paint her as an “evil” person, which is unprecedented. The way in which she is talked about is unusual, and thus has a sense of sexism. The fact is, there are “rules” to this election, and even if you follow most of them, there is the understanding that pledged delegates does not equal victory. You have two candidates come to the end, one person with 1800 the other with 1727, cool, great, now its time for the 800 superdelegates to pick. This is the bottom line. This idea of supporting someone prior and manipulating the voters, etc. is all garbage. But its fueled by the bias of Obama supporters; they could care less how this proceeds, as long as Obama is on top, but that is not how this process works.
Posted by: sarah | April 9, 2008, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm
I have been loyal listener of NPR from long time and also loyal democrat. But I was surprised even NPR has double standard.
Fortunately listeners are much wiser nowadays. But I request media not to underestimate listener’s IQ.
Media have been too much pro-Obama which is going to haunt them.
Posted by: jake | April 9, 2008, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm
You have to be blind to think the media is not obsessed with Obama and love having fun poking at Hillary Clinton like she is Angelina Jolie on the cover of US Weekly. Its the same thing. We like our villans females, because it makes for such wonderful viewing–how hard to see Mr. Obama look bad, it just doesn’t work, and these psychologies will have a lasting impact on our country, because it demonstrates true objectivity does not exist.
Posted by: jerry | April 9, 2008, 2:48 pm 2:48 pm
In response to Sherrie about Obama not complaining, that is too funny. Carville had to step aside on CNN because of complaints from his campaign. One day he complained to reporters that he had already answered 8 questions! He shouldn’t have anything to complain about, he had MSNBC, CNN and NBC working for him.
Posted by: pjh | April 9, 2008, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm
The Clintons are getting back the same treatment they have given to the media for yrs – ask anybody in journalism.
Posted by: nathan | April 9, 2008, 3:05 pm 3:05 pm
Rediculous, first off the disenfranchisment statement was made yet again and she wasnt called on her bold faced flip flop on that issue. Fact is Mrs Clinton was just fine with not seating Florida and Michigan delegates because she assumed she’d have this race so wrapped it they didnt matter….now she is behind (and sorry to the Hillary moron supporters, if 137 delegates is a ‘narrow’ lead how come she has no chance to catch him with so many states left-because its a HUGE lead you dolts) and suddenly crying about those poor voters.
What I dont understand is with the right ripping Obama all day on the air over his pastor, both Hillary and McCain ripping Obama 24/7, Hillary actually giving compliments to the Republican nominee she wouldnt give to Obama…how exactly can this be positioned as a double standard.
No the double standard is if Obama were this far behind, had won Texas only due to LImbaugh fans gaming the vote, had no mathematical chance to win the delegate vote do you think the press would be so shy about calling for him to quit? Do you think if he was running a ‘kitchen sink’ negative campaign the way she has for months that they would be sympathic in covergae the way they are with her.
Rediculous…you Clinton supporters sound like little kids who decide to pout and whine when your loosing.
Posted by: Nate | April 9, 2008, 3:05 pm 3:05 pm
So, how is this a double standard on the part of the press? No, it’s same old Hillary spin; you buy the premise, you buy the bit.
Stick a fork in her; she’s done.
Posted by: TexFemLib | April 9, 2008, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm
Stop dreaming. Obama is not made of gold. He lies and runs and negative campaign also. Open your eyes. All this negativity about a female candidate is really crazy. And no Clinton supporters do not “sound like little kids”, look in the mirror, take shields off your eyes buddy.
Posted by: Cassie in LA | April 9, 2008, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm
Enough already! Obama’s lead is NOT “very small”: it is INSURMOUNTABLE. Hillary is asked why she remains when she has not chance of the nomination except by stealing it through her dirty tricks. But to deny a Clinton is a “double standard.” When will the Democrats rid themselves of this plague?
Posted by: Miande | April 9, 2008, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm
Now let’s put the shoe on the other foot: For argument sake lets pretend that Florida and Michigan was Obama’s … do you think Obama would be saying: “let’s not count those voters!” Of course not, because everyone can see that Hillary is in the lead if we rightfully count all the voters.
It is beyond belief that a party that calls itself “Democratic”, does not want to count the votes of millions of registered legal citizens of Flordia. Things life before, or after don’t matter…., What matters is the people and their votes. They come first because they are the reason why we go to vote in the first place.
AGAIN: the people in Florida were legal registered voters, and candidates names were on Florida ballots. People went to vote because they did not want to miss out, and their choice was HILLARY CLINTON by a huge majority.
Why on earth would they be denied???
Posted by: Retrovvision | April 9, 2008, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm
Hillary Clinton has the following:
1) Campaign manager Maggie Williams is on the board of directors for a leading sub-prime mortgage company.
2) Prior to Hillary’s campaign, Howard Wolfson worked for the Colombian government on the trade deal.
3) Mark Penn met with Colombia government on trade deal.
4) Bill Clinton has received $800,000 for pro-Colombia trade speeches.
5) Bill Clinton supported Dubai government owning ports in America. He has received millions for speeches in Dubai.
The Hillary Clinton campaign’s top three people all have ties oppose everything she has said.
On top of that, her husband has made millions by doing everything that Hillary claims to oppose.
Hillary has said her and Bill talk about everything and they are each others best adviser.
Any other candidate would never have a chance. It’s because the media is afraid of the Clintons that this information hasn’t been on the front page of every newspaper for weeks.
Posted by: Debbie | April 9, 2008, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm
Those of you that are Clinton supporters ( like me ) don’t vote for McSame, join the movement to write in Hillary’s name in your state. Make a statement that the DNC can really hear. do a google on “write Hillary in” for more info, also you can get more info on the boycott on main stream media going on April 11 in NY
Posted by: baddawg2k2001 | April 9, 2008, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm
May be the double standard is because evryone love organised, efficient and succesful enterprise. Obama as a new comer has displayed unbelievable management skills, organization skills, raising money, strategic leadership than Hillary. The media would have been biased if that was Chelsia Clinton
Posted by: gizmo | April 9, 2008, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm
We don’t need to put the shoe on the other foot. Hillary herself was against counting the uncontested states’ results until she managed to eek out a victory in Michigan, even though her opponents knew their votes would not be counted.
If Clinton really wanted a vote, she could allow those that had voted in the Republican primaries to vote, too, since many went there knowing Democratic votes would not count anyway. They knew that because Hillary Rodham Clinton herself had said so, repeatedly.
Elections where everyone knows the stakes aren’t counted, from the candidates to the voters, aren’t elections. They’re really big straw polls.
Posted by: drew | April 9, 2008, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm
“How can a party that calls itself Democrats deny its members the most fundamental right of any democracy and that is the right to vote and the right to have that vote count!”
Ask Hillary…she did backed this agreement, didnt she?
Posted by: Veronica411 | April 9, 2008, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm
Why is HRC crying about Michigan and FLA?? She knew the rules and accepted them as Obama did…now that shes behind, she wants to recount…Let me tell you something…if Obama and HRC were to campaign in Michigan, Obama would have the upper hand for sure!! I see its all around Michigan!
Obama ’08!!
Posted by: motorcity kid | April 9, 2008, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm
To all those people who question how HRC can say she disagrees with positions held by advisers — Since HRC has now proven she can work w/people with whom she fundamentally disagrees on key issues, let’s all imagine how effective she might be with Republican congress. “We can disagree on A, but can we find common ground on B.” Thanks for providing another reason to vote for her.
Posted by: Lexie | April 9, 2008, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm
Does anyone see the irony in Hillary Clinton complaining about a double standard in treatment by the press covering her and Obama? Now she understands what EVERY conservative faces from the totally corrupt US mainstream press. It is even funnier that Hillary has to go on Fox News to receive even handed treatment and Obama is too much of a coward to do the same. I just hope that Chris Matthews can get those stains out of his shorts the next time he quivers for Obama! LOL.
Posted by: Doctor Doom | April 9, 2008, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm
Here’s the truth -
I put 19 marbles in a bowl. The first kid to get 10 marbles wins.
One of the kids who owns the marbles tells the kids they can start taking them out before anyone yells “Go”. Okay… He was told if he breaks the rules, he’d be sent home with his 4 marbles. He did it anyway. Get outta here, kid. You were warned.
So… we now have 15 marbles. Ready? GO!
One kid gets 9. The other 6.
Since neither kid got 10, you figure the kid with 6 still has a chance to win.
It’s perverse logic, folks.
This was over a month ago. And for those troglodytes who refuse to accept the fact that superdelegates wouldn’t even consider tossing the will of the voters through pop. vote, states won, delegates won… you’re simply nuts.
Now we have approximately 2 million women who are “going to vote for McCain for the sake of standing up for a woman”.
“Standing up for a woman”. Okay… first, understand that most rejected Hillary because she’s a woman. She was rejected because that woman was Hillary. Big distinction.
Secondly, and most importantly, do you realize that if McCain wins, he’ll be naming three conservative Supreme Court Justices over the next four years?
What does that mean?
You’re “standing up for a woman” will result in Roe v. Wade being overturned.
How pathetically ironic.
Posted by: JWilson | April 9, 2008, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm
Totally true – there is a double standard toward HRC. The media is TOTALLY in the tank for Obama. It’s like reporters are at a cocktail party engaged in small talk with a “minority” and are afraid to ask anything that could make the situation awkward. They then make up for their timidity toward Obama by being tougher on Clinton. Open your eyes people!
Posted by: chris | April 9, 2008, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm
The biggest idiot was, of course, Donna Brazile, the most destructive force in the Democratic Party that one can imagine. Please leave the Democratic National Committee Ms. Brazile. On January 29, 2008, 1.7 million Florida Democrats went to the polls and voted for the candidate of their choice. The Democratic National Committee, if things do not change, will ignore those voters and their votes (I am for a revote) and hand the 27 electoral votes of Florida to the Republicans. They will make down ticket races in Florida extremely difficult to win. They will have set back Democrats in Florida for the foreseeable future. The DNC’s actions are indefensible, from Howard Dean to Donna Brazile to Harold Ickes. This is a disgrace.
Posted by: baddawg2k2001 | April 9, 2008, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm
It’s true about Hillary negotiating the Irish thing. What happened was it occurred during bring-your-daughter-to-work day but Chelsea was back in the US. She called Bill and asked if her mom could do the negitiation. Sort of a bring-your-wife-to-work day. Bill agrred and Hillary was able to bring the IRA and The Brits together!! You can ask Donna Brazile.
Posted by: Jacknyc | April 9, 2008, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm
Good for you Debbie, and if McCain wins we can thank you for the lost lives in Iraq as the War goes on. Thats Democracy! No…that would be Sore Losers. It would be a big price to pay for your STATEMENT.
Posted by: veronica411 | April 9, 2008, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm
Who in their right mind want an old woman for president. Suppose there is really a 3am call and Hillary is having a PMS fit or some other femine stuff, then what. It won”t work! She married and her husband he old too. Supposing he be needing something and she aint around. Maybe he want her to run an errand or fetch something for him. Then what, he have to get the stuff fore himself.
Posted by: jbate | April 9, 2008, 3:55 pm 3:55 pm
I keep hearing that there is so much out there that is not being told about Senator Obama. That’s crap!!! If any of you think that each candidates life isn’t at the moment being gone over with a fine tooth comb, you have your head in the sand. There is no double standard. Senator Clinton made her own bed and now must lie in it. She has miss managed her campaign and this will go down as a example on how to give away a campaign that you thought was wrapped up on day one. The bottom line is that the presumed winner and all her big money are being outclassed by a very talanted Junior Senator who is backed by the people.
Posted by: Tim | April 9, 2008, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm
I have to agree with the posters who are outraged over Hillary supporters voting for McCain. For a Democrat to do this is madness. How can we move from a capitalist democracy to full fledged socialism if you vote for McCain? Are you insane? Don’t you want socialized medicine like they have in Europe and Canada? Don’t you want the richest 10% in this country to pay more than the current 80+% of all federal taxes that they now pay? Don’t you want to redistribute wealth regardless of effort and value? Don’t you want to open up our borders and turn our national sovereignty over to the United Nations? Don’t you want to keep aborting more American babies every single day of the year than the total servicemen and women who have died in Iraq? And what about paying reparations to ALL black people, even those who just got to the US last week? How can we assuage our national guilt, if we don’t do THAT, for crying out loud? If so, please remember to vote for Obama, not John McCain. Remember George Bush, John McCain and ALL Republicans are PURE EVIL.
Posted by: Doctor Doom | April 9, 2008, 4:06 pm 4:06 pm
So I notice that even after being pushed Hillary could come up with no real double standard. I have actually not heard the media telling her to get out of the race at all recently, or for that matter, many Democrats at all.
Its quite reasonable for people to ask why she is continuing, when it is getting increasingly hard to omagine a scenario that could see her getting the nomination. She asks why the question is not being directed at Obama? Well he is ahead in the popular vote (even including Fl and Mi (and he was not even on the Michigan ballot remember), number of states won, and delegates.
It really is as if the Clinton’s were running in an Arkansas primary in the 70s/early 80s, when the Dremocratic Primary virtually was the general, as the Republicans were no force at all in Arkansas politics, so taking splitting up the Democratic Party hardly mattered. The only thing that can beat the Democratic Party, especially after Gen Patreus’s testimony, is the Democratic Party. If Clinton really wants to take down her parties nominee, then in the long run she will see where that gets her.
Posted by: markymark | April 9, 2008, 4:16 pm 4:16 pm
You Hillary supporters just don’t get it, do you? Only a black man, who had the moral courage to attend a black supremacist, anti-white, and anti-US church for 20+ years and was able to hold his tongue and NEVER criticize a word the vile, bigoted pastor said as he spewed racist hatred to that man and his family, can possible UNITE America? Senator Obama has clearly shown that he has the Wright Stuff to bring our country together. Obama is a profile in courage and doing what is Wright…er right, no matter the personal costs. Truly inspiring! The audacity of hope, indeed.
Posted by: Doctor Doom | April 9, 2008, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm
Article 1, Section 2, Paragraph 3 of the United States Constitution…and I quote “three-fifths of all other person” – a reference to the counting of America’s slaves as 3/5 of a human being, in terms of the apportionment of the representatives of Congress.
Excerpt from the Declaration of Independence…and I quote, “He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us” (slave revolts) “and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages”
America the beautiful…
Posted by: Doctor Doom | April 9, 2008, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm
Anybody who saw Obama waffle himself through questioning Petreaus yesterday , must now know that he does not qualify to be the next President.
This man has run his campaign on the war and Hillary’s vote for it . How often have we heard him say that he was against it from the beginning.
Well , yesterday was his chance to show us if his words have substance and he failed miserably.
He was nervous and actually looked uncomfortable , certainly didn’t add anything to the discussion.
One can only conclude that his speeches read of teleprompters are just words , words for political gains.
Take a good look at Obama before you decide to vote for him.
Posted by: Isabella | April 9, 2008, 4:38 pm 4:38 pm
Jim, so she agreed not campaign and PARTICIPATE and after she left her name on the ballot (pretty much running against no one)and she then wins Michigan, and decides they should count?? (Thats what the story says) Sounds pretty calculating to me.
So she agreed to not let them count, hoping they would count…sounds like a pattern. Doesnt she vote on bills like that as well?
Posted by: veronica411 | April 9, 2008, 4:39 pm 4:39 pm
Poor, poor Hillary Clinton!?! How can those of you who support her buy the “sniper fire” story? I think I would remember the difference in running through bullets or being handed a bouquet of flowers! If Barack Obama had told such a SUPER LIE, he would be berated by every newsperson in this country.
Another concern: Have you noticed how many times Bill refers to “we” rather than Hillary when he discusses HER campaign. Then, there’s the question of what Bill’s title would be if, by some miracle, Hillary becomes President. He certainly shouldn’t be called “First Gentleman” because, let’s face it, Bill Clinton is no gentleman! If Hillary runs the country and allows Bill to walk all over her as he did as a womanizer as Arkansas’ governor and as President, Bill will be making Presidential decisions again and Hillary will be too embarrassed to admit that she’s allowing it to continue. NO, WE CAN’T AFFORD BILL CLINTON IN THE WHITE HOUSE AGAIN! IF SO, LOCK UP YOUR DAUGHTERS!
Posted by: JAT | April 9, 2008, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm
One perspective of why dems would choose McCain over Obama – McCain is more center than Obama, you know, the most liberal voting senator in office? The democratic party has lost its common sense. The extreme liberals are running the party. There is no more in the middle. I’ve always voted democrat, I’m registered democrat, but God help me, I’m starting to lean towards the repubs. Aside from Iraq, they are actually making more sense to me than the democrats. It is like we have an identity problem. Who are our leaders and what do we stand for? Maybe I just need a beer……
Posted by: Jeff | April 9, 2008, 4:46 pm 4:46 pm
The two posts signing off with “America the beautiful” are NOT by THIS Doctor Doom. Although, I do understand the point that that Doctor Doom is trying to make, i.e. that America is tainted by the blight of slavery and horrid treatment of its native population. However, name any country and I can give you examples of how the sinful, flawed people of that country perpetrated injustices and outrages. Many of them still do so today. America is not perfect but here we at least have the freedom to criticize our faults provided that we are willing to accept responsibility for our words from our peers. Our speech is only free from government censorship (with limited exceptions), not from consequences imposed by societal norms.
Posted by: Doctor Doom | April 9, 2008, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm
So she left her name on the Ballot, just like everyone did in Florida which was allowed “In the Rules”, but did not have her people campaign, unlike Obama’s team who campaigned for people to mark the Ballots “undecided”.
Without a revote, there is no way to make Mich. a level playing field, while unfair to Hillary all “undecided” votes could be assigned to Obama which would still leave her in the lead there.
But Florida was a level field. All the candidate ran their “Fund Raisers” in the state to drum up support, and all were on the ballot. Is it simply unfair because it went against Mr. Obama?
That’s the same kind of unfair that people worried about Super Delegates keep crying. That a select group can sway the vote away from the popular choice. But it’s totally fair when at the State level that is exactly what happens in most caucuses. But again, that’s where Obama gets he lead from so they are OK.
But don’t worry, if he beats Clinton I’d vote for Obama over McLain regardless of the skeletons they finally drag out of his closet. In actions, Hillary and Barack are very close, McLain is Scary.
Posted by: Jim | April 9, 2008, 4:57 pm 4:57 pm
Can somebody send Senator Clinton to the looney bin…please? I’m tired of hearing her talk and seeing her face. Can the people of Pennsylvania please do the rest of the country a favor and support Obama so we can get on with this election. Polls show her 20% behind in North Carolina, so a 5% victory in PA will only expose the American people to her ridiculous attempt at leading our country for two more weeks. After she loses NC, she might shed a tear or maybe talk about how she avoided sniper fire at a Pennsylvania town fair. If she cannot manage an election, how can she manage a country?(i mean she cannot even manage her own husband) Ready on Day 1….haha, its day 400 and something of this campaign and she is losing ground.
Posted by: brandon | April 9, 2008, 5:05 pm 5:05 pm
What I’m tired of hearing is Obama’s claims that’s he so pure and doesn’t accept money from big oil, except that his biggest contributors are Oil executives…
That he doesn’t accept money from lobbyists, except that their families are high on his lists of donators…
That candidates should only use the public financing, except now that he’s doing so well with donations he’ll stick to that.
Lies and Waffles! So where is the media coverage?
In two weeks I and my fellow PA voters get to send a message to the rest of the country:
Bye Bye Obama, with love,
the Keystone State.
Posted by: Jim | April 9, 2008, 5:38 pm 5:38 pm
What double standard? Hillary, r u running to be victim-in-chief or commander-in-chief? Either suck-it up or get out damn race. We are tired of ur bitc^ing and moaning.
Posted by: Tadd D | April 9, 2008, 6:11 pm 6:11 pm
No, but you know – for example, why is the question directed at me?” she said. “I mean, neither of us has the number of delegates to win.—Sen. Clinton
This is all the reason why Hill should abandon her presidential aspirations. She will never be president. Americans don’t want a whiner they want a leader. Obama and to some extent McCain are leaders. Hillary, however, is no leader.
Posted by: Frederick | April 9, 2008, 6:16 pm 6:16 pm
so, she “accepts” it, but she whines about it? if she isn’t tough enough to deal with idiots in the media, how is she going to be tough enough to deal with the likes of putin, ahmadenijad (sp?), kim jong il, et al?
what a loser!
Posted by: davidfrat4 | April 9, 2008, 6:16 pm 6:16 pm
The comparison with the NCAA game is silly. In basketball, one team can come from behind if down by only a few points with less than 2 minutes to play. It happens all the time. In the primary, Hillary needs a huge miracle and then a coup by the party big-wigs to win. The equivalent would be if one team were behind by 20 with a minute to go and the refs started calling fouls on the winning team over and over, allowing the loser to catch up. How would the fans react? Like the game had been stolen? This appears to be what Hillary wants. Technically impossible? No. Extremely improbable to the point of silliness? Yes.
Hillary supporters: this is what you’re defending. It’s not the woman anymore. It’s not her Senate record or her husband’s record. It’s these tactics. It’s these games. If you can’t defend this ridiculousness, you can’t defend Hillary, and it’s time to consider Obama. Otherwise, it’s Bush III in John McCain.
Posted by: dan | April 9, 2008, 6:26 pm 6:26 pm
It would only be a double standard if the race were virtually even; it’s not. Obama is ahead by a statistically-significant margin, any way you want to measure it: overall delegates, pledged delegates, or popular vote. That’s why people are pushing her to get out: winning “ugly” isn’t just winning with superdelegates–it’s having the superdelegates overturn the pledged delegate count. She thinks most people aren’t smart enough to realize this, but many of us are.
Her comments about Michigan and Florida are totally non sequitor–but if she wants to revote without disenfranchising everyone who voted Republican in Michigan’s election because they thought the Democratic election wouldn’t count for anything, well let’s do it. I’m sure Obama would welcome a big win in Michigan.
Posted by: Ben | April 9, 2008, 6:34 pm 6:34 pm
It would only be a double standard if the race were virtually even; it’s not. Obama is ahead by a statistically-significant margin, any way you want to measure it: overall delegates, pledged delegates, or popular vote. That’s why people are pushing her to get out: winning “ugly” isn’t just winning with superdelegates–it’s having the superdelegates overturn the pledged delegate count. She thinks most people aren’t smart enough to realize this, but many of us are.
Her comments about Michigan and Florida are totally non sequitor–but if she wants to revote without disenfranchising everyone who voted Republican in Michigan’s election because they thought the Democratic election wouldn’t count for anything, well let’s do it. I’m sure Obama would welcome a big win in Michigan.
Posted by: Ben | April 9, 2008, 6:34 pm 6:34 pm
Obama continues to dogged by Rev. Wright’s comments but no one is willing to admit the thread of truth Wright expressed. For instance he(Wright) accused our government of introducing AIDS and crack into the African American community. Well…. anyone remember the Tuskegee Experiment in which syphilis was GIVEN to African American men, unknown to them, and allowed to interact with women in their community for YEARS, in the name of research( a quick Google will confirm). So any african american of Wrights age group that happens to have an education would know this to be true. The leap to AIDS is a stretch but not that big… On the crack thing once again those of us with an EDU and knowledge of drug culture wonder how this chemical process(crack production) was mastered by our most uneducated class. Who taught them the complicated and dangerous methodology needed to produce this derivative?
Posted by: Donkey w/ Elephants Memory | April 9, 2008, 6:37 pm 6:37 pm
Obama continues to dogged by Rev. Wright’s comments but no one is willing to admit the thread of truth Wright expressed. For instance he(Wright) accused our government of introducing AIDS and crack into the African American community. Well…. anyone remember the Tuskegee Experiment in which syphilis was GIVEN to African American men, unknown to them, and allowed to interact with women in their community for YEARS, in the name of research( a quick Google will confirm). So any african american of Wrights age group that happens to have an education would know this to be true. The leap to AIDS is a stretch but not that big… On the crack thing once again those of us with an EDU and knowledge of drug culture wonder how this chemical process(crack production) was mastered by our most uneducated class. Who taught them the complicated and dangerous methodology needed to produce this derivative?
Posted by: Donkey w/ Elephants Memory | April 9, 2008, 6:38 pm 6:38 pm
I don’t know how everyone can claim so blithely that HRC is so much more electable than Obama. Last time I checked over 60% of Americans loathe her and only 35% think she is honest and trustworthy. I know that much the dislike many Americans have for HRC is unfair and a product of her political enemies, but I don’t care. The point is to win the WH, not redress HRC’s unfair treatment. Obama and Hillary both have their warts, but before the DNC overrides sanctioned primaries and alienate one of the Democratic parties most loyal constituencies, I would like to see some actual evidence of HRC’s electiblity that doesn’t come from her partisans.
As for MI and FLA, HRC agreed to abide by the decision made by the DNC, so her sudden decision to champion their cause seems a bit convenient. It seems unfair to set ground rules for all candidates then change them mid-race. Plus, last time I checked Obama pulled is name off the MI ballot as part of an agreement with HRC & Edwards (though she seemingly forgot to do so). I’m sure if FLA and MI had been part of the race Obama would have actually campaigned there. He probably wouldn’t have won, but could have narrowed the gap considerably, ala Texas & OH.
Posted by: Shays | April 9, 2008, 6:39 pm 6:39 pm
Bishop ——– GREAT! Wow, you’ll show us!
(electing McCain to spite half the Democratic party in favor of the other half? lovely attitude)
Posted by: dan | April 9, 2008, 6:39 pm 6:39 pm
I don’t know how everyone can claim so blithely that HRC is so much more electable than Obama. Last time I checked over 60% of Americans loathe her and only 35% think she is honest and trustworthy. I know that much the dislike many Americans have for HRC is unfair and a product of her political enemies, but I don’t care. The point is to win the WH, not redress HRC’s unfair treatment. Obama and Hillary both have their warts, but before the DNC overrides sanctioned primaries and alienate one of the Democratic parties most loyal constituencies, I would like to see some actual evidence of HRC’s electiblity that doesn’t come from her partisans.
As for MI and FLA, HRC agreed to abide by the decision made by the DNC, so her sudden decision to champion their cause seems a bit convenient. It seems unfair to set ground rules for all candidates then change them mid-race. Plus, last time I checked Obama pulled is name off the MI ballot as part of an agreement with HRC & Edwards (though she seemingly forgot to do so). I’m sure if FLA and MI had been part of the race Obama would have actually campaigned there. He probably wouldn’t have won, but could have narrowed the gap considerably, ala Texas & OH.
Posted by: Shays | April 9, 2008, 6:39 pm 6:39 pm
Can Hillary remember last month, the media was pounding Obama, he didn’t whine about it and all Hillary did was pile on, now after more stumbles on her part she returns to complaining about the double standard. PATHETIC
Posted by: fool me once | April 9, 2008, 6:43 pm 6:43 pm
“Who in their right mind want an old woman for president. Suppose there is really a 3am call and Hillary is having a PMS fit or some other femine stuff, then what. It won”t work!”
You are so sexist!!!
Posted by: politicsIsdirty | April 9, 2008, 6:43 pm 6:43 pm
For cspan video of the related info below, please do a Google search for ” 8-25-07 DNC meeting ” you’ll find it in the results page that comes up, under cspanarchives, the meeting regarding the FL delegates and the DNC’s stripping of them..
The DNC Stripping Of The FL Delegates: Brazile “Sends A Message To FL”
By Big Tent Democrat “I want to send a message to Florida.” – Donna Brazile, 8-25-07 DNC Meeting Here is the video of the 8-25-07 DNC meeting where Florida was stripped of its delegates.. The DNC Staff recommended that the rule the Florida delegate selection plan to be not in compliance. The DNC Staff did NOT recommend a punishment. Florida, through its Dem Party Chair Karen Thurman, then presented its case for why it was in compliance. More . . .Thurman argued that the DNC Rule 20.c.7, 21.a and 21.b provided Florida Dems with a safe harbor for its plan. Thurman argued that success in reversing the GOP primary plan was not required by the rules. And indeed they do not. Thurman then recounted the story of the Florida primary legislation. Thurman presents a compelling case of the Florida Democratic Party’s efforts, including the introduction of amendments to the Republican legislation. Frankly, it is ludicrous to argue the Florida Democratic Party did not try to keep Republicans from changing the date of the Democratic primary in Florida. Just with those facts, the 100% stripping of the Florida delegates was indefensible and frankly, obscene. (Quick aside – Jon Aussman’s unity shtick for mercy was quite ironic in light of Obama’s adamant stance against the Dem voters of Florida.) So how did it happen? Ralph Dawson moved for moving beyond the express punishment of 50% loss of delegates to a 100% stripping of delegates. the reasons for this proposal were unstated by Mr. Dawson. The next comment, from an unidentified DNC member was ridiculous and proof positive that this was a kangaroo court intent on stripping Florida of its delegates. the comment called for proof that ALL Democratic elected officials in Florida had fought against the GOP legislation.
Posted by: baddawg2k2001 | April 9, 2008, 7:32 pm 7:32 pm
Dear Mrs. Clinton,
There comes a time when a person must step up and show bravery and courage to become commander and chief. Playing the victim as the means to the ends proves exactly the opposite. I’ve never heard Obama claim a double standard in regards to his African American heritage.
Posted by: Truth2008 | April 9, 2008, 7:35 pm 7:35 pm
The continuation of my last post was posted earlier and can be found
Posted by: baddawg2k2001 | Apr 9, 2008 3:50:24 PM and Posted by: baddawg2k2001 | Apr 9, 2008 3:51:03 PM
Posted by: baddawg2k2001 | April 9, 2008, 7:36 pm 7:36 pm
OBAMA LIES EVERY TIME HE OPENS HIS MOUTH!!
FIRST; he denied having any relationship with Tony Rezko and contended he had only spend 5 hours with him, discussing lawyer/client matters. He finally admitted knowing Rezko for a long time. Rezko has contributed almost a quarter of million dollars to his campaign; and paid for almost a third of his house. SECOND; he lied about being aware or hearing that his friend-mentor-pastor had made any anti-white; anti-American; and anti-Semitic statements. Five days later he admitted that he had heard Jeremiah Wright make some of the controversial statements. THIRD; he said he never had accepted campaign contributions from oil corporations. We later learned he has accepted thousands of contributions from Exxon/Mobile etc. He even ran a Campaign Ad saying he did not take money from oil corporations. FOURTH; he said he had never accepted campaign contributions from subprime loan corporations. Then, we learned he has accepted over 1.5 millions from the top ten that are presently under investigation. FIFTH; he criticized NAFTA for its weaknesses and promised he would make changes to it. He then told Canada it was just all political talk and that he was not and is not going to change anything. SIXTH; in 2002 he made a one sentence statement regarding his position on the Iraq War. He thought it was not a good idea; would be expensive and there would be consequences. IN 2003, after the brief victory in Iraq, he said he was wrong about the War and that he just did not have the information Congress had at the time.
IN 2004, he said he supported and stood by Bush’s position on the war. LATER, IN 2004, 2005, 2006, he voted for continuing the war. Now, in his speeches, he lies to the American voters and contends he has always been against the Iraq war; as if he has never supported and/or voted for it
Posted by: proudamerican2008 | April 9, 2008, 7:46 pm 7:46 pm
Obama’s supporters would cover the world with smoke and mirrors to try and make Barack Hussein Obama look good, regardless of all his lies and ties to radical anti-Americans. Obama could butcher a kitten on the White House lawn and his followers would try to make it look like a good thing.
I imagine some of the people who have already voted for Obama would like to change their votes! Obama, along with Dean and Pelosi, are destroying the Democratic Party. They say we have 48 states … not 50.
Hillary ’08!
Posted by: CONCERNED | April 9, 2008, 7:48 pm 7:48 pm
Big surprise. More BS from Angelina. Running her mouth about ‘humanity’. Dancing her way around the truth as usual. There will be no widespread peace in Iraq anytime soon. That region of the world has remained uncivilized throughout history. For reasons that Angelina will never admit. Starting with a harsh brutal climate and a lack of world prosperity. Aggrivated further by a diminishing supply of natural resources and a rising cost of living worldwide. This is why conflict and religious extremism are so prominent in the desert. This is also why America is the most hated nation in the world. We eat, burn, pollute, occupy, and consume more than any other per capita. In order to secure our way of life, we operate over 100 military bases around the world. Which is why we are refered to as ‘The Great Satan’. Also why the towers and Pentagon were hit. I’m not saying that we deserve anything horrible in return for our super-power status. We don’t. Americans are basically good people. Our goal was never to cause hardship for others. But as a nation, we have been greedy, gluttonous, and ignorant. Led around like puppies by the 1% club. Our way of life is now physically impossible to achieve worldwide. I’m not calling for an equal distribution of wealth and resources. Not even close. I’m not calling for the developed nations to reverse their progress. Whats done is done. But we should be willing to make some compromise for the good of humanity. Unfortunately, the burden has been placed almost entirely on a single generation of men and women who die as we speak. Some fight for their country. Others for a much greater cause. The vast majority serve with honor. But those men and women die in vain. In order to make any real progress in the Middle East, the troop level and funding would have to be increased even further. Maybe, even doubled or tripled. Followed by the most expensive, long term, global humanitarian effort of all time. Enough to achieve some degree of world prosperity. Only then, would the region produce a generation more likey to work together for a common goal. Progress would be made with each following generation. Unfortunately, there will never be world prosperity. NOT WITHOUT A REASONABLE DISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH AND RESOURCES. So when a greedy, disgusting, wealth concentrating, resource squandering, global warming, hypocrite, pig like Angelina runs her mouth about ‘humanity’, its like nails on a chalk board. Her optimistic BS could not possibly be anymore rank even if it came out of her rank ass. It may as well have. Focus their minds? What a joke. You can’t just run your mouth at an uncivilized society and expect them to change their ways. You have to raise their standard of living first. Otherwise, their focus will always be on their own hardship and their hatred on those who appear to be responsible. A similar rule will soon apply worldwide. Which is why I know beyond any shadow of a doubt that modern society will go down in a ball of flames. All because of a G** D*** RAT RACE. Oprah, Angelina, Brad, Bono, and Bill are not part of the solution. They are part of the problem. Say that reminds me.
Don’t believe one optimistic word from any public figure about the economy or humanity in general. They are all part of the problem. Its like a game of Monopoly. In America, the richest 1% now hold 1/2 OF ALL UNITED STATES WEALTH. Unlike ‘lesser’ estimates, this includes all stocks, bonds, cash, and material assets held by America’s richest 1%. Even that filthy pig Oprah acknowledged that it was at about 50% in 2006. Naturally, she put her own ‘humanitarian’ spin on it. Calling attention to her own ‘good will’. WHAT A DISGUSTING HYPOCRITE SLOB. THE RICHEST 1% HAVE LITERALLY MADE WORLD PROSPERITY ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE. Don’t fall for any of their ‘humanitarian’ CRAP. ITS A SHAM. THESE PEOPLE ARE CAUSING THE SAME PROBLEMS THEY PRETEND TO CARE ABOUT. Ask any professor of economics. Money does not grow on trees. The government can’t just print up more on a whim. At any given time, there is a relative limit to the wealth within ANY economy of ANY size. So when too much wealth accumulates at the top, the middle class slip further into debt and the lower class further into poverty. A similar rule applies worldwide. The world’s richest 1% now own over 40% of ALL WORLD WEALTH. This is EVEN AFTER you account for all of this ‘good will’ ‘humanitarian’ BS from celebrities and executives. ITS A SHAM. As they get richer and richer, less wealth is left circulating beneath them. This is the single greatest underlying cause for the current US recession. The middle class can no longer afford to sustain their share of the economy. Their wealth has been gradually transfered to the richest 1%. One way or another, we suffer because of their incredible greed. We are talking about TRILLIONS of dollars which have been transfered FROM US TO THEM. All over a period of about 27 years. Thats Reaganomics for you. The wealth does not ‘trickle down’ as we were told it would. It just accumulates at the top. Shrinking the middle class and expanding the lower class. Causing a domino effect of socio-economic problems. But the rich will never stop. They just keep getting richer. Leaving even less of the pie for the other 99% of us to share. At the same time, they throw back a few tax deductible crumbs and call themselves ‘humanitarians’. Cashing in on the PR and getting even richer the following year. IT CAN’T WORK THIS WAY. Their bogus efforts to make the world a better place can not possibly succeed. Any ‘humanitarian’ progress made in one area will be lost in another. EVERY SINGLE TIME. IT ABSOLUTELY CAN NOT WORK THIS WAY. This is going to end just like a game of Monopoly. The current US recession will drag on for years and lead into the worst US depression of all time. The richest 1% will live like royalty while the rest of us fight over jobs, food, and gasoline. So don’t fall for any of this PR CRAP from Hollywood, Pro Sports, and Wall Street PIGS. ITS A SHAM. Remember: They are filthy rich EVEN AFTER their tax deductible contributions. Greedy pigs. Now, we are headed for the worst economic and cultural crisis of all time. Crime, poverty, and suicide will skyrocket. SEND A “THANK YOU” NOTE TO YOUR FAVORITE MILLIONAIRE. ITS THEIR FAULT. I’m not discounting other factors like China, sub-prime, or gas prices. But all of those factors combined still pale in comparison to that HUGE transfer of wealth to the rich. Anyway, those other factors are all related and further aggrivated because of GREED. If it weren’t for the OBSCENE distribution of wealth within our country, there never would have been such a market for sub-prime to begin with. Which by the way, was another trick whipped up by greedy bankers and executives. IT MAKES THEM RICHER. The credit industry has been ENDORSED by people like Oprah Winfrey, Ellen DeGenerous, Dr Phil, and many other celebrities. IT MAKES THEM RICHER. Now, there are commercial ties between nearly every industry and every public figure. IT MAKES THEM RICHER. So don’t fall for their ‘good will’ BS. ITS A LIE. If you fall for it, then you’re a fool. If you see any real difference between the moral character of a celebrity, politician, attorney, or executive, then you’re a fool. No offense fellow citizens. But we have been mislead by nearly every public figure. WAKE UP PEOPLE. THEIR GOAL IS TO WIN THE GAME. The 1% club will always say or do whatever it takes to get as rich as possible. Without the slightest regard for anything or anyone but themselves. Reaganomics. Their idea. Loans from China. Their idea. NAFTA. Their idea. Outsourcing. Their idea. Sub-prime. Their idea. High energy prices. Their idea. Obscene health care charges. Their idea. The commercial lobbyist. Their idea. The multi-million dollar lawsuit. Their idea. The multi-million dollar endorsement deal. Their idea. $200 cell phone bills. Their idea. $200 basketball shoes. Their idea. $30 late fees. Their idea. $30 NSF fees. Their idea. $20 DVDs. Their idea. Subliminal advertising. Their idea. Brainwash plots on TV. Their idea. Vioxx, and Celebrex. Their idea. The MASSIVE campaign to turn every American into a brainwashed, credit card, pharmaceutical, love-sick, celebrity junkie. Their idea. All of the above shrink the middle class, concentrate the world’s wealth and resources, create a dominoe effect of socio-economic problems, and wreak havok on society. All of which have been CREATED AND ENDORSED by celebrities, athletes, executives, entrepreneurs, attorneys, and politicians. IT MAKES THEM RICHER. So don’t fall for any of their ‘good will’ ‘humanitarian’ BS. ITS A SHAM. NOTHING BUT TAX DEDUCTIBLE PR CRAP. In many cases, the ‘charitable’ contribution is almost entirely offset. Not to mention the opportunity to plug their name, image, product, and ‘good will’ all at once. IT MAKES THEM RICHER. These filthy pigs even have the nerve to throw a fit and spin up a misleading defense with regard to ‘federal tax revenue’. ITS A SHAM. THEY SCREWED UP THE EQUATION TO BEGIN WITH. If the middle and lower classes had a greater share of the pie, they could easily cover a greater share of the federal tax revenue. They are held down in many ways because of greed. Wages remain stagnant for millions because the executives, celebrities, athletes, attorneys, and entrepreneurs, are paid millions. They over-sell, over-charge, under-pay, outsource, cut jobs, and benefits to increase their bottom line. As their profits rise, so do the stock values. Which are owned primarily by the richest 5%. As more United States wealth rises to the top, the middle and lower classes inevitably suffer. This reduces the potential tax reveue drawn from those brackets. At the same time, it wreaks havok on middle and lower class communities and increases the need for financial aid. Not to mention the spike in crime because of it. There is a dominoe effect to consider. IT CAN’T WORK THIS WAY. But our leaders refuse to acknowledge this. Instead they come up with one trick after another to milk the system and screw the majority. These decisions are heavily influensed by the 1% club. Every year, billions of federal tax dollars are diverted behind the scenes back to the rich and their respective industries. Loans from China have been necessary to compensate in part, for the red ink and multi-trillion dollar transfer of wealth to the rich. At the same time, the feds have been pushing more financial burden onto the states who push them lower onto the cities. Again, the hardship is felt more by the majority and less by the 1% club. The rich prefer to live in exclusive areas or upper class communities. They get the best of everything. Reliable city services, new schools, freshly paved roads, upscale parks, ect. The middle and lower class communities get little or nothing without a local tax increase. Which, they usually can’t afford. So the red ink flows followed by service cuts and lay-offs. All because of the OBSCENE distribution of bottom line wealth in this country. So when people forgive the rich for their incredible greed and then praise them for paying a greater share of the FEDERAL income taxes, its like nails on a chalk board. I can not accept any the
ory that our economy would suffer in any way with a more reasonable distribution of wealth. Afterall, it was more reasonable 30 years ago. Before Reaganomics came along. Before GREED became such an epidemic. Before we had an army of over-paid executives, bankers, celebrities, athletes, attorneys, doctors, investors, entrepreneurs, developers, and sold-out politicians to kiss their asses. As a nation, we were in much better shape. Strong middle class, free and clear assets, lower crime rate, more widespread prosperity, stable job market, lower deficit, ect. Our economy as a whole was much more stable and prosperous for the majority. WITHOUT LOANS FROM CHINA. Now, we have a more obscene distribution of bottom line wealth than ever before. We have a sold-out government, crumbling infrastructure, energy crisis, home forclosure epidemic, 13 figure national deficit, and 12 figure annual shortfall. The cost of living is higher than ever before. Most people can’t even afford basic health care. ALL BECAUSE OF GREED. I really don’t blame the 2nd -5th percentiles in general. No economy could ever function without some reasonable scale of personal wealth and income. But it can’t be allowed to run wild like a mad dog. ALBERT EINSTEIN TRIED TO MAKE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND. UNBRIDLED CAPITALISM ABSOLUTELY CAN NOT WORK. TOP HEAVY ECONOMIES ALWAYS COLLAPSE. Bottom line: The richest 1% will soon tank the largest economy in the world. It will be like nothing we’ve ever seen before. The American dream will be shattered. and thats just the beginning. Greed will eventually tank every major economy in the world. Causing millions to suffer and die. Oprah, Angelina, Brad, Bono, and Bill are not part of the solution. They are part of the problem. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A MULTI-MILLIONAIRE HUMANITARIAN. EXTREME WEALTH MAKES WORLD PROSPERITY ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE. WITHOUT WORLD PROSPERITY, THERE WILL NEVER BE WORLD PEACE OR ANYTHING EVEN CLOSE. GREED KILLS. IT WILL BE OUR DOWNFALL. Of course, the rich will throw a fit and call me a madman.. Of course, they will jump to small minded conclusions about ‘jealousy’, ‘envy’, or ‘socialism’. Of course, their ignorant fans will do the same. You have to expect that. But I speak the truth. If you don’t believe me, then copy this entry and run it by any professor of economics or socio-economics. Then tell a friend. Call the local radio station. Re-post this entry or put it in your own words. Be one of the first to predict the worst economic and cultural crisis of all time and explain its cause. WE ARE IN BIG TROUBLE.
By the way, that was an attempt to boil down a complex issue. I’m sorry if it seemed like a bash on America. Of course, I hate the rich. I always will. But I love the people of this country in general. I don’t want anything bad for America. But our super-power status is part of the problem. Its like a smack in the face felt worldwide. Anyway, I’m no expert on current events. I don’t even understand all of them. But I do know about human nature. Enough to see that we are on a path to destruction. I’m not going to pretend as if any of us are completely innocent. We are not. This giant rat race will be our downfall. GREED KILLS.
Posted by: doesnt matter | April 9, 2008, 7:57 pm 7:57 pm
“No, but you know – for example, why is the question directed at me?”
Senator Clinton, you agreed to the interview.
You are the candidate trailing by 130-140 delegates with 566 remaining delegates at stake.
You are the candidate who has so vociferously demanded either re-votes or DNC certification of the original votes in Florida and Michigan – AFTER repeatedly acknowledging they wouldn’t count.
You are the candidate whose campaign flatly stated it wouldn’t try to poach pledged delegates from the Obama campaign – and then spent a weekend trying to do exactly that in Montana.
You’re being asked how you plan to win because you’re behind. This is no double standard. John McCain was asked the same question early in the primary campaign when he was broke. Mike Huckabee spent weeks being asked the same question. There’s no double standard, and no sexism. It’s a fair question for a trailing candidate.
Posted by: BMR, Pittsburgh PA | April 9, 2008, 8:19 pm 8:19 pm
Senator Clinton says that Obama “has a slight lead,” which is echoed by the Clinton supporter Kris — “Sen. Obama’s lead is very small.”
But this simply isn’t true: of the pledged delegates elected so far, Obama leads 53% to 47%. After the remaining primaries and caucuses, that lead might be reduced to 52%-48%. Under what construction is four or six percent a “slight” or “very small” margin?
Posted by: Kurt | April 9, 2008, 8:25 pm 8:25 pm
THE REASON WHY HILLARY GETS BAD PRESS IS BECAUSE THERE IS NOTHING GOOD TO REPORT ABOUT HER. DON’T YOU HILLARYITES GET IT? IF SHE CAN’T RUN HER OWN CAMPAIGN, HOW WOULD SHE EVER BE ABLE TO RUN THIS COUNTRY. HER HEAD STRATEGIST IS MAKING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON SHADY DEALS WITH SOUTH AMERICAN COUNTRIES PROMOTING DEALS THAT SHE IS SUPPOSED TO BE AGAINST (PENN)! SHE LIES ABOUT TUZLA, THINKING THAT SHE IS ACTUALLY GOING TO GET AWAY WITH IT–TRYING TO PROMOTE HER QUALIFICATIONS AS A “COMMANDER IN CHIEF,” AND–VOILA–A VIDEOTAPE SURFACES WHICH SHOWS THAT IT WAS A COMPLETE AND UTTER FABRICATION. THEN SHE TRIES TO COVER UP FOR IT SAYING SHE WAS “SLEEP DEPRIVED” AND “MIS-SPOKE.” FIRST OF ALL, SHE ROLLED OUT THIS STORY ON AT LEAST A DOZEN OCCASIONS (I GUESS SHE HAS A CONSISTENT PATTERN OF MIS-SPEAKING).
SECOND, IF SHE MIS-SPEAKS WHEN SHE IS SLEEP-DEPRIVED, HOW IS SHE GOING TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER THE PHONE AT 3AM WHEN SHE IS LIKELY TO BE “SLEEP-DEPRIVED”– “UH, DROP THE BOMB ON LONDON.” BOOM! “WHOOPS, SORRY, i WAS SLEEP DEPRIVED WHEN I GAVE THE ORDER.”
CAN’T YOU SEE THAT SHE DOES NOT CARE ABOUT THIS COUNTRY? SHE CARES ABOUT ONE THING–HERSELF AND GETTING INTO POWER SO THAT SHE CAN CASH IN LIKE HER HUSBAND SLICK WILLIE WITH LUCRATIVE SPEAKING ENGAGEMENTS AND BOOK DEALS AFTER SHE LEAVES OFFICE AFTER BRINGING DISGRACE TO THIS COUNTRY.
AND FOR ALL OF YOU WHO SAY THAT THE ONLY REASON WE POINT OUT HER OBVIOUS LIES IS BECAUSE WE ARE SEXIST, GIVE IT A REST!! YOU INSULT THE MILLIONS OF INTELLIGENT, INFORMED WOMEN WHO SUPPORT OBAMA! ARE YOU CLAIMING THAT THOSE WOMEN ARE SEXIST? GIVE ME A BREAK!
THE BOTTOM LINE IS, IF YOU WANT POLITICS AS USUAL IN WASHINGTON TO CONTINUE, IF YOU WANT DIVISIVENESS IN THIS COUNTRY TO WORSEN, IF YOU WANT OUR CHILDREN’S FUTURE TO BE SOLD OUT TO SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS, THEN GO AHEAD AND VOTE FOR HILLARY. IT’S YOUR RIGHT.
FORTUNATELY, THE WINDS OF CHANGE ARE BLOWING,COMMON SENSE IS BEGINNING TO PREVAIL, AND A GROWING MAJORITY OF INFORMED AND SENSIBLE AMERICANS IS SOLIDIFYING ITS SUPPORT FOR OBAMA.
THIS IS AN IMPORTANT POINT IN OUR GREAT COUNTRY’S HISTORY. OUR MORAL, POLITICAL, AND ECONOMIC STATURE IN THE WORLD HAS DIMINISHED TERRIBLY OVER THE LAST EIGHT YEARS, THERE IS MORE CORRUPTION IN POLITICS THAN EVER BEFORE, AND THE GREAT SOCIETY HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO CHART A NEW COURSE. AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED, EITHER YOU ARE FOR A BETTER USA OR YOU ARE FOR A CONTINUING DOWNWARD SPIRAL.
THE DEMOGRAPHICS SHOW THAT OBAMA HAS A LOCK ON EDUCATED AND INFORMED AMERICANS. HILLARY APPEALS TO THE “INFORMATION DEPRIVED.” THERE IS A REASON FOR THAT.
THINK ABOUT IT.
DO WHAT IS BEST FOR THE COUNTRY.
VOTE OBAMA
Posted by: thinkaboutit | April 9, 2008, 9:27 pm 9:27 pm
I was actually hoping for Edwards when all this thing started. When he dropped out, I thought either of them will do just not McCain. Even though I will be voting for one of them for the primary (PA), for the general election I will vote for whoever is the Democratic nominee.
When I read or hear some saying ‘if my candidate did not get the nomination I will vote for McCain or stay home,’ I feel sad. Voting is a privilage and a responsibility. The consequence is for the whole country. We shouldn’t and even have no right to complain and whine when we got a repeat of the last 8 years.
Voting age is 18, mature enough not to play with such responsibility.
Posted by: gmariam | April 9, 2008, 10:11 pm 10:11 pm
A more accurate and truthful headline for this article would be “Clinton SHOULD have ripped media double standard” or NPR reporter, Michelle Norris, RIPS Clinton to manipulate and create a predetermined response to accomodate reporter’s own bias. Clinton, actually, was quite tentative and tepid in her response and it was Norris who was overly aggressive and very unprofessional. I am a frequent listener to NPR and I was surprised and disappointed to hear such bias and non-professionalism coming from an NPR reporter, but I have witnessed Michelle Norris express her Obama bias when she was a guest on other talk-shows on other networks. In this interview, Clinton was not the Ripper, she was the Rippee; Michelle Norris and whoever created this headline are the ones doing the Ripping of truth in reporting, fairness and professionalism.
Posted by: Leodis Strong | April 9, 2008, 10:27 pm 10:27 pm
HRC is 100% right on this one. The media has been blinded or may be afraid of going against Obama due to fear that they might be called ‘racist’. Obama camp has been using the race card whenever anybody says anything against Obama. This is rediculous. I am shocked to see Media so biased about somebody. It is like CNN, MSNBC, NBC are pro-Obama channel – may be to win his advertisement money.
Posted by: Chiman | April 9, 2008, 10:29 pm 10:29 pm
Darth – obviously you don’t even watch the media or read any of the articles written about the 08 race. The double standard against Clinton and the pro-Obama bias is irrefutable reality. The anti-Clinton media hype has been runing 24/7 for months now. For you to claim it doesn’t exist is a JOKE.
It’s time reasonable rational democrats stood up against this despicable sexist treatment by the MSM and boycott their advertisers. I for one am sick of listening to vile comments made by Russert, Matthews, Olbermann, Shuster, Cafferty, Anderson. Just like IMUS, these news hacks should be fired.
Posted by: cc83 | April 9, 2008, 10:37 pm 10:37 pm
gmariam,
Yes, voting is a privilege and we should all vote (hopefully with proper election procedures, i.e., secret ballot and a paper trail.
Unlike most of you, I will be voting for who I think can best lead the country out of the mess we are in without making it worse. In that regard I will vote for Sen. Clinton and if she is not the nominee I will go to my second choice as to who I think is the best for leading our country at this time, Sen. McCain. Not overly enthused with Sen. McCain but the alternative of Sen. Obama to me is quite frightening; his claim to fame being his opposition to the Iraq war from the beginning but you certainly would not have gathered that from the hearing yesterday (did not seem to be a great deal of difference between him and Sen. McCain at those hearings). It sure would be nice with his “Change” agenda if he would tell us what he is going to change (specifically, not just the way things are done in Washington), how he is going to go about changing it (reaching across the aisle and working with republicans probably is not going to bring about much change even they would even work with him which I greatly doubt), and who is going to foot the bill for all these changes?
Posted by: Don | April 9, 2008, 10:39 pm 10:39 pm
Obama,
the George McGovern/John Kerry of 08′
Do you honestly think that we can afford another Republican administration in this country?
VOTE for HILLARY! Obama is NOT the messiah….why not be safe and let him be her VP. I know you are in love with him but at least you will be able to see him frequently and have the security of knowing that we have an experienced professional behind the wheel. This is SO frustrating and so wrong.
Posted by: Chris | April 9, 2008, 10:49 pm 10:49 pm
I heard the interview, and Clinton never answered the “double standard” question. She never defined it. How about a man would never be asked if he actually lied when he claimed to have landed under fire in Tuzla. Think: Dukakis in a tank.
Posted by: Cascadian | April 9, 2008, 10:54 pm 10:54 pm
Go Hillary! You are SO right on the mark with your comments. There are SO many of us cheering you on in Phoenix. We are not just latinos, we are college educated and we see A SMART CHOICE IN YOU!!!
Posted by: Phoenix Comment | April 9, 2008, 11:00 pm 11:00 pm
This is the first blog I’ve read and it is relly funny. You can read between the lines and tell what sex the writer is. The fact is the voters of Fl & Mi should elect a new executive comittee. They are the ones that challenged the NDC and lost. Get off Obama and Hillary and go after the real people that creates this problem.
Posted by: kyoboro | April 9, 2008, 11:37 pm 11:37 pm
Hillary is a scam artist. She claims to have more “experience” than Obama–experience like dodging sniper fire in Bosnia. The two most important moments of political truth she has ever faced were (1) her work spearheading health care reform during her husband’s administration; and (2) the vote on whether or not to authorize war against Iraq. She failed both of these political moments in spectacular fashion.
One thing you have to credit her for is an uncanny ability to deceive by political spin, and to make it look effortless. She claims to be a “doer” but what really has she really accomplished? Not much. She tries to take credit for everything positive that happened during her husband’s presidency and distance herself from everything negative. Problem is, the FACTS inconveniently get in the way of her historical revisionism.
A sizeable majority of Americans view her as a negative campaigner as compared to Obama. Why? Because she has very little positive to put forth. She wants power and believes that the only way to get it is by way of venomous attack. Fortunately, Americans are waking up to her desperate, carpet-bagging political opportunism.
Wake up and smell the coffee.
Hillary ain’t it.
Posted by: thinkaboutit | April 9, 2008, 11:37 pm 11:37 pm
A much larger percentage of Hillary supporters claim they will opt for McCain than vote for Obama, who is virtually identical to Hillary in his political positions. The more sensible Obama supporters are more willing to look at the big picture and say “no” to McCain, “no” to a third Bush term. There is a message reflected by this disparity. Hillary is campaigning with a greater negativity, trying to convince Dems that Obama is the enemy. Unfortunately, many Hillary supporters have fallen under this hypnotic spell. Obama supporters stand back and realistically look at the big picture. Obama’s message is different– it is based not on attacking Hillary but on putting this country on a course that is best for all Americans.
Hillary ain’t it.
Posted by: thinkaboutit | April 10, 2008, 12:07 am 12:07 am
It’s true, there has been a double standard. At least in her eyes. The rules apply to everyone. Except her.
Posted by: SE1 | April 10, 2008, 12:08 am 12:08 am
Reading this article and all the comments, I have to laugh at the dems and their sheeple. First of all, there is a double standard in this campaign between the two dems, however that double standard is nowhere near the double standard the media has with republicans. Study after study shows this, so while Hillary has a point, try watching the garbage the news puts out everyday against republicans. Read the Pew and UCLA studies, then look at all the data that shows how the candidates are being portrayed in the media, Obama gets favorable coverage slightly more than Hills, but nearly twice as much as Mccain, and he’s suppose to be the media darling? So I welcome the discussion on the double standard and bias, but I will also assume the dems will forget evertyhing about it once the general election starts and doubt you’ll see a SNL skit showing how the liberal MSM is in the tank for the dems, because then it will be o.k. with them.
Posted by: pacificaharry | April 10, 2008, 12:09 am 12:09 am
It is diffently time for a different midset, than the one we have NOW!
Posted by: Chelu | April 10, 2008, 3:40 am 3:40 am
It’s not that hard.
Everyone should get to vote. If no candidate wins 2025 delegates, then the superdelegates decide. The superdelegates’ main guideline is electability. It’s reasonable that some might want to see how certain states vote before casting their own vote.
What’s not reasonable is claiming that two major states should have NO vote at all. NONE. That’s undemocratic and un-American as hell.
Posted by: Evie | April 10, 2008, 5:08 am 5:08 am
Senator Clinton in Danger or a Danger ready-to-go-Commander-in-chief
What Senator didn’t know that in any sport, in any macro or micro human structure everyone must follow the rule
from top to the bottom,vice-versa. Any common violation of these rules is subjected to be penalized, uncommon analyzed by the comity of this organization, with his “Charte”to which the members agree directly by vote or indirectly.
As a part of the party democrat and a superdelegate yourself, you have shared similar view. The states of Michigan and Florida deserved the final decision of the DNC. Your judgment and your metaphoric behaviour and your metaphoric exemple to illustrate your concern are wrong.
They would have been not calling the championship if there was a fault to the rules . The just invalidated the primarly organized game primary. which paved the way to the championship’s nominee.
And that’s the difference!
Senator Clinton isn’t it?
Cromwell,
Posted by: cromwell | April 10, 2008, 5:39 am 5:39 am
Evie – if Clinton drops out, like she should for the good of the party, the remaining primaries would still take place. The argument that everyone should get to vote doesn’t hold water.
Posted by: Paul | April 10, 2008, 8:48 am 8:48 am
Hillary cannot explain what ii is because it isn’t happneing. She has doubletalked through this whole campaign. God help us if she gets in.
Posted by: cindy | April 10, 2008, 9:06 am 9:06 am
Come on people! you all know that when the crunch comes in Novermber, white folks are going to vote for one of their one. enough of this “experiment” to see how “tolerant” you americans can be.
Posted by: clement adegbnero | April 10, 2008, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm
It’s time for this woman to stop feeling sorry for herself. Anytime she is properly criticized for her poorly run campaign (she was remember once considered a lock) she whines like a child about unfair press coverage. Shouldn’t a president have the courage to just take the envitable press abuse that comes with wanting to be the most powerful person in the world?
Posted by: Wade Tomlin | April 10, 2008, 12:26 pm 12:26 pm
Denying Florida and Michigan’s vote? Let me lay it out so all you not too bright people (hillary included) can understand.
1. Florida and Michigan broke rules they agreed to and moved their primaries up for no reason.
2. They knew the consequences
3. all the democratic nominees agreed the contests wouldn’t count before hand.
4. Obamas name wasn’t on ballet in Michigan didnn’t campign in Florida
5. People didn’t vote cause they were told it wouldn’t count so the actual vote tallies aren’t democratic or accurate if you disenfranchise voters before those elections.
HILLARY AGREED that the contests wouldn’t count. now that she needs them she is the spokesperson for democratic principles and having everyones vote count. What a disgusting human being. Double standard. lies lies lies she knows shell have to win ugly obama and her are not tied. he is winning in delegates and popular vote and will end up beating her with both. she really turns my stomach shes such a political hack.
Posted by: byronbb2003 | April 10, 2008, 2:58 pm 2:58 pm
And if she were ahead in delegates, she wouldn’t be doing the same thing?
Where’s here comments about her vote on not counting FL/MI?
Whine, whine whine… and btw, it’s “ok” laugh off Bosnia on the Tonight Show – it’s not like lieing about sniper fire (several times – none of which she was “tired” at 3am) is that big a deal (esp. to people in service) or taking credit for “experience” that never happened or matters about a leader.
Also – please elaborate how successful you were with Unions at Walmart or what happened at the “negotiating” table on peace in Ireland. I saw your schedule… you were there for photo shoots, a small speach, lunch etc. I think your “negotation” time was scheduled for 15 minutes.
Posted by: chris | April 11, 2008, 2:32 pm 2:32 pm
“She’s always playing the victim. Nothing is ever her fault. She never takes responsibility for anything. Sheeesh. This is leadership? I’m getting really tired of her… and I kind of liked her at first too.”
100% agree
Posted by: chris | April 11, 2008, 2:34 pm 2:34 pm
Hillary’s Excuse Cheat Sheet:
tired
misspoke
unaware
don’t recall
wasn’t advised
no big deal
“hahaha” – sign of weakness
unfair
Apologize for people that are offended by your comments – but don’t actually apologize
Posted by: jeff | April 11, 2008, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm
well I will be voting for McCain, It has gotten to point where neither of the dems in this elections has enough brains to pour water out of a boot with the instruction on the hill, Go McCain
Posted by: backoffnewscensors | April 11, 2008, 6:52 pm 6:52 pm
Okay all you people refusing to use your brains: Sorry Hillary is not spoon feeding you the double standard, and sorry she’s answering a reporter’s question. She’s not whining, mysoginist jerks, she is answering a question.
Here’s the double standard: With neither candidates holding enough delegates to be nominated, and with 10 states left to vote, and 2 states left to be officially counted, SHE is talked about as if she has no business staying in this race, and it’s being implied that she is losing so badly she needs to resort to ugly or negative campaigning.
Do you hear anybody anywhere asking Obama to drop out? No. There is your double standard. Neither of them can win without the super delegates, yet she is continuously assailed about ending her campaign.
The reality I see is that Obama’s campaign is so much more negative, insulting, arrogant, and bullying then her campaign has ever been. They are trying to push her out of this election before it’s decided by the people. They think that because they are ahead NOW, that that is enough and she should drop out. No. Obama, the Media, nor anyone else decides when the contest stops. It stops when one of them has the delegate count they need.
You Obama supporters are so full of fear. Let this play out, and if your candidate is so good, he’ll be triumphant in the end. Meanwhile, give me a freaking break and stop whining about Hillary exciting this race. It ain’t going to happen. So stop whining already.
Posted by: AM | April 11, 2008, 8:59 pm 8:59 pm
exciting=exiting
Posted by: AM | April 11, 2008, 9:03 pm 9:03 pm
why can’t she simply answer his question rather than continue to search for distractions?
Posted by: Danny | April 11, 2008, 9:28 pm 9:28 pm
She is not out because this is about Hillary vs Obama and the electoral map. Because in the end, that is what the democrats SHOULD be looking at to determine their candidate. That is if they hope to regain the White House. Although Obama can HOPE that those samller, republican states will CHANGE from red to blue the likelihood of that is well … not likely. Hillary clearly has a large and loyal following and carries the larger, traditionally more democratic strong hold states. The two candidates are virtually neck and neck in every other regard. However,one factor that gets forgotten are the voters like me, and let me assure you our numbers are great, that if Hillary is not the nominee we will be donating, campaigning and voting for John McCain. These times require experience, not experiments. Frankly, Obama cannot unite his own party let alone the country. His judgment which he touts now does not look all that favorable and he does not appear to be any more honest than any other politician. When you hold yourself out to be better than everyone else in that regard, well you better be able to hold up under some scrutiny, Mr. Law Professor, of a goat-herding dad that was airlifted by the Kennedy’s from Kenya to the states and was conceived as a result of the Selma march which occurred 4 years after you were born, while then as an adult attended a church for 20 years where you didn’t but then maybe you did hear some “controversial” things said. See how that just does not help your honesty and credibility claim when you get caught in that many…lies.
The media has not brought him to task on any of these lies, except for FOX news. Double standard – yep there sure is.
Posted by: cmb | April 14, 2008, 9:59 am 9:59 am
She is not out because this is about Hillary vs Obama and the electoral map. Because in the end, that is what the democrats SHOULD be looking at to determine their candidate. That is if they hope to regain the White House. Although Obama can HOPE that those samller, republican states will CHANGE from red to blue the likelihood of that is well … not likely. Hillary clearly has a large and loyal following and carries the larger, traditionally more democratic strong hold states. The two candidates are virtually neck and neck in every other regard. However,one factor that gets forgotten are the voters like me, and let me assure you our numbers are great, that if Hillary is not the nominee we will be donating, campaigning and voting for John McCain. These times require experience, not experiments. Frankly, Obama cannot unite his own party let alone the country. His judgment which he touts now does not look all that favorable and he does not appear to be any more honest than any other politician. When you hold yourself out to be better than everyone else in that regard, well you better be able to hold up under some scrutiny, Mr. Law Professor, of a goat-herding dad that was airlifted by the Kennedy’s from Kenya to the states and was conceived as a result of the Selma march which occurred 4 years after you were born, while then as an adult attended a church for 20 years where you didn’t but then maybe you did hear some “controversial” things said. See how that just does not help your honesty and credibility claim when you get caught in that many…lies.
The media has not brought him to task on any of these lies, except for FOX news. Double standard – yep there sure is.
Posted by: cmb | April 14, 2008, 9:59 am 9:59 am
Hillary lies repeatedly about Bosnia to make herself look good in the eyes of the voters. Her husband expounds and expands the lies.
Obama characterizes a portion of the electorate using a poor choice of words.
Here’s the double standard:
The Clintons will do anything to win a contest. They will sell out any principle if it means “winning.” They will lie. They will triangulate the electorate. They will wind up with insipid, unprincipled legislation.
Obama doesn’t.
I see two very different standards.
Posted by: tml | April 14, 2008, 10:40 am 10:40 am
Never have I seen a more UNQUALIFIED candidate than Obama. If he’s the nominee, I will vote Republican for the first time in my life!! I hope that Obama’s ignorant and stupid remarks start a downward spiral and the American people see him for what he really is: a racist, elitist, snob who looks down at the common folks – the very ones he needs to win!! Wake up America!!! This man is a disaster waiting to happen. We’ve already been through 8 years of one moron and we certainly don’t need another man in the White House. GO HILLARY!!!!!
Posted by: Celia | April 14, 2008, 10:48 am 10:48 am
I think it’s wrong for Obama not to care about the voters in Florida and Michigan. Seems to me that is what George Bush wanted in Florida about 8 years ago.
Posted by: Robyn | April 14, 2008, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm
It’s always a double standard when her raggedy campaign gets her in hot water. Either she’s lying or her surrogates doing and saying “stupid” things and that includes her dysfunctional family. I hate desperation. It makes good people creepy.
Posted by: Momuv2 | April 15, 2008, 2:19 am 2:19 am
My dear fellow Americans….When are we going to open our eyes and see the truth, the reality and the direction Hillary is taking us?….No where at all…we are suffering here in America with poor housing policies, high tax cuts,poor health care policies,We need someone who can hear our cries,understand our needs and daily problems that we face today…and not lies and double standard leaders…We need some one who can fight for the ordinary Americans and not for the lobbist who financed their election campaine.God have shown us the directions and light..and that is Obama.Not any more Clintons or Bush policies… we need new diet for the better of Americans in General…So my fellow Americans lets face the reality of what is happening now in America…or we will always be given promises that will not be fulfil after they go to white house….so Americans lets not cheers for fan but for reality that we face now…we need change now and that person to lead us is Obama….we need to turn the chapter 2009 to be the chapter of reality and not promises for Americans …Lets Wake up Foxs…It’s Obama 08
Posted by: kibs | April 15, 2008, 10:34 am 10:34 am
Hillary supporters will bond with their rival’s voters in November.
Unfortunately, it will be with McCain voters.
They’ll be joined by bitter, small town, gun hugging, bible thumping bigots. And moderates who put country above economics, and will take 4 more years in Iraq over Obama meeting with America’s worst enemies. And of course the entire Rep party who’ll unite against Obama.
Obamabots who relish a victory over Hillary now will be crying over defeat in November.
Posted by: HoosierSue | April 15, 2008, 12:13 pm 12:13 pm
OBAMA DID NOT CHANGE CHICAGO,
OBAMA DID NOT CHANGE REZKO.
OBAMA DID NOT CHANGE REV. WRIGHT AND HIS CHURCH
(OBAMA has close ties with REZKO who is on trial for corruption and MANY politicians there are involved.)
Why should we believe that OBAMA can change Washington?
What sort of changes will HE bring?
HOW COME NOBODY ASK THESE QUESTIONS BEFORE CHANTING FOR OBAMA?
Posted by: John_Lai | April 15, 2008, 12:46 pm 12:46 pm
Lets face the reality John….Clinton family spent 8 good years in Washington…and now they worth 109 Millions…Wat about ordinary Americans…how much they worth since that time…now…honestly i can say we are almost taking one meal a day some of us…instead of what we used to be…They did not know your problems when they were there 8 years…do you think they will know now another 4 years….Lets focus our real problems facing us now and stop pretending we are ok now…Honselty most of Americans now can not afford to sustain their daily life…..we need change not same people..in washington…..i belive any one can lead us other than the same foxs who have been there and nothing have change…we need new diet..i belive u dont take same food daily but u change diet for the better of your health…so why not change washington with new people…who have shown change..lets give them a chance…to prove themselves…what we need is change for better of Americans….and not popular names in Washington who serve the interest of lobbist….Not another 4 years with double standards leaders….we need change 2009 in Washington….We gave Clintons 8 good years in Washington..what did they do for us ….nothing and now again you want to put same foxs there…Do we Americans think.. what is happening now in America….i think very few have that vision…We have poor housing policies,poor health care policies,poor economy now,poor foreign policies and high tax cut for lower income Americans.Who benefit now….not ordinary Americans but the lobbist,the C.E.O.and the same fox who are in the white house…..Not again brain washed…we want reality…..and that reality we can see through one light God send to us now…and that is Obama…who have shown the way out of these problems…..lets not be fans for Clintons just for the sake of getting them to Washington…Will they help you now?….if they could not 8 years ago…enough is enough …we need change now and turn to new chapter 2009 with realities,change and better economy for all Americans…let vote for Obama…08 to prove….
Posted by: kibs | April 15, 2008, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm
Hillary and Bill are tied to the very same people, they are against, and firing of Penn, when Bill is excepting millions for speech.
Posted by: chu13ck | April 15, 2008, 5:02 pm 5:02 pm
Okay, people…it’s time to look at the facts. Hillary is only behind roughly 700,000 votes in the popular vote. That’s a little over 1%. She also has more superdelegates.
Conclusion? Hillary is still in this one. A 15% win in PA could significantly cut into Obama’s pop. vote lead. She is expected to win contests in KY, Indiana, WV, PR, PA, and Montana/SD are toss ups.
If Florida and Michigan are ever resolved, Hillary will most likely take both…if not, she will definitely take Florida (they hate Obama now).
Posted by: Alyssa Moul | April 16, 2008, 10:43 am 10:43 am
It’s about time she says something about it. The title of this piece is a little dramatic though. She didn’t “rip” anyone or anything although she definitely could!! I wish she would have been more aggressive in this opportunity but then I know, everyone would say bad things about her if she was too harsh. So I guess she did the right thing and played it safe.
If you really don’t think there is a double standard, you’ve drank way to much of the kool-aid. You’re probably drowning in it.
Posted by: Bridgette | April 16, 2008, 10:48 am 10:48 am
Sammy- no, we are all united in agreement that Bush is one of the worst 5 presidents we have ever had to endure.
Posted by: Doug | April 16, 2008, 12:51 pm 12:51 pm
These comments baffle me because while Obama’s campaign has been getting increasingly negative, taking a POV of the American people and his peers from a negative, pessimistic place and even stooping to “name-calling,” Hillary has become increasingly positive and optimistic. She constantly uplifts Americans and the love of her country in her speeches and while she makes legitimate claims on Obama’s tendency to say agreeable things in a way that is so easily misunderstood and increasingly gives the GOP more and more ammunition for the big race, she doesn’t get personal when she’s under pressure. And while her remarks in this interview may seem pessimistic and whiny, they are completely founded. She has had to work twice as hard as Obama and has earned pretty much all of her votes through hard work. I feel like Obama earns his votes through popularity, because when I talk to Obama supporters (every single person I know) they have NO IDEA what his policies are, what his history is, or what he plans to do in office. And they don’t care! They are like robots, and all they do is bash Hillary and say “Obama 08!” I don’t understand it. If they had this interview with Obama, he would have responded with something like “Double. Standards. Are what I. Do not. Stand by. Respectfully. What I do. Stand by. Is. Change. Change for a people. Who need it.” I’m sorry, Hillary, whiny as you think she is, just sounds more like a human being to me. And a smart one. At. That.
Posted by: Eric in Chicago | April 16, 2008, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm
wow – talk about double standards Obama can say and do what the heck he wants and no one says a word but when Hillary or McCain say it – its called racist.
The media and everyone else has to stop tip toeing around this nut and call it like it is -
Posted by: Lee | April 16, 2008, 1:48 pm 1:48 pm
I am so tired of hearing Clinton go on and on about Michigan and Florida. It was fine with her way back when she signed on to ignore those states. Only when her chances diminish, she now wants to redo those states. How ugly is that and do you want someone like that as president when everything she does is for her and her alone? She is so pathetic! When will the other half of the Democrat party take the blinders off and see what a loser they support.
Posted by: itruss | April 16, 2008, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm
Oh bring out the violins. First of all Hillary signed a paper stating that she would not campaign in FL and MI as did the other candidates and that their votes would not be counted because they went against the wishes of the DNC. Hillary after that said that MI votes wouldn’t count and then after getting behind decided she wanted them. And if she can’t get FL and MI votes then she says she has the most electorial votes(which is used for the general election not the primary). In claiming the electorial votes she is also saying that small state votes don’t count. You have to have all 3 Hillary. Most delegates, most states, and popular votes. Then you can have the superdelegate vote. That’s how the system works people and if she were ahead you would be ok with it too,
Posted by: Debbie | April 16, 2008, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm
Oh bring out the violins. First of all Hillary signed a paper stating that she would not campaign in FL and MI as did the other candidates and that their votes would not be counted because they went against the wishes of the DNC. Hillary after that said that MI votes wouldn’t count and then after getting behind decided she wanted them. And if she can’t get FL and MI votes then she says she has the most electorial votes(which is used for the general election not the primary). In claiming the electorial votes she is also saying that small state votes don’t count. You have to have all 3 Hillary. Most delegates, most states, and popular votes. Then you can have the superdelegate vote. That’s how the system works people and if she were ahead you would be ok with it too,
Posted by: Debbie | April 16, 2008, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm
Obama has a bit of the narcissistic in him and the comments made about small town America in front of his supporters sure brings his character into question. A woman with integrity felt obligated to report this statement and not cover it up even though she donated and supported him. That’s the kind of reporting that’s needed and the standard by which Obama should be held to by the national media, not the free ride he has enjoyed. Those comments were not meant for everyone to hear and between this and the Rev Wright issue I question his character and honesty. I will not vote for him if he is the democratic candidate, but I would vote for Clinton. Micky/Pennsylvania
Posted by: mickey | April 16, 2008, 5:11 pm 5:11 pm
My friends, this is the most important presidential election since FDR in 1933. So much is at stake in terms of the economy, diplomatic foreign policy, the environment, etc. While there is no simple solution to such a complex set of problems, the first step toward repairing all the damage that the present administration has done is to elect the right person for president at this very crucial time in our history. It is clear that a new direction is needed for our country, a total departure of the current system. SO the question becomes, who is best served to carry out this new direction? Out of the three candidates left standing, the only person who has not been tainted by politics, who is not a beaurocrat, who does not have unbreakable ties to DC…is Barack Obama.
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