Clinton Wins Lackawanna With Only 74 Percent

The whining is so loud I can’t hear MSNBC. Oh, that’s where the whining is coming from. There and the New York Times. Wow. Misogyny not only crawled out from under the rocks but they are fuming mad that Hillary put him away in PA. Money, proverbs, celebs, money, the misogynist press, more money, more free negative press. Obama doesn’t have to go negative; the press will do it for him.
The press boys are so blinded by their misogyny, that they can’t see the real story here… What happened in those caucus states? What happened in the caucuses? How did Obama get here on such a thin resume and winning Republican states? Is this who the dems want as a candidate to take on John McCain? NO! He can’t win. McCain will bury him, like a dog with a new bone.
Obama, stop whining and stop dividing the Democratic Party. Step aside a let a real leader lead. Step aside and let a real woman step up. Enough already. If the DNC hands this to Obama, they will lose their core voters, those who really have shown up for the dems for decades.

With Florida and Michigan, as their Secretaries of State have certified, and 2.3 million of their citizens have voted, now brings the delegate deficit to 2. Yes 2 delegates folks. That’s all that separates Obama and Clinton.
Anyone who thinks Florida and Michigan won’t be seated according to their Secretaries of State doesn’t want to win the white house.

Question, Mr Tapper: Has anybody tallied up the two candidates’ “victories” on a state-by-state, electoral-college distribution, basis? In other words, as if this never-ending siap opera were a real dry-run for the general election and not a gerrymandered, horribly-skewed, meaningless exercise?
Because, turnout issues aside (yes, we all know only true-believers show up for the primaries; PA has a whole lot more democratic voters than the 2.25 Million self-selected true believers that showed up), if the purpose of this exercise is to uncover a candidate that can actually *win* in November, the Democrats, living up to their credo from the Will Rogers days, have crafted a process guaranteed to deliver a tie.
Surely there must exist a meaningful tie-breaker out there…

This is true if FL is counted like it should be if we want to win in November Clinton will net 38 delegates. That would put them within less than 100 delegates of each other and she is up by 100k in the popular vote.
GO HILLARY 08

AMAZON TRAVELOR speaks for me! Obama is getting a great deal of help by so many in the press, the TV and the DNC to do his dirty work. And he comes out smelling like a rose. But people aren’t fooled anymore. They can tell when the rose is really a pile of man*re

Jake why is ABC including Michigan where obama wasn’t on the ballot) and Florida in there totals?
talk about feeding into a bad image.

Obama will still win the nomination and Hillary supporters will flock around the nominee in mass forgetting that they’ve been had by the ultra-leftists.
So what’s the fuss at this point in the game? It’s meaningless!

This win means NOTHING. I said weeks ago that she needed to win by atleast 20. She got barely half of that. Actually when the results are all tallied, she’ll win by just 9 points. That’s not good enough. She is done. Right now she is just carving up the nominee. Too bad for Democrats.

“The whining is so loud I can’t hear MSNBC. Oh, that’s where the whining is coming from. There and the New York Times. Wow. Misogyny not only crawled out from under the rocks but they are fuming mad that Hillary put him away in PA. Money, proverbs, celebs, money, the misogynist press, more money, more free negative press. Obama doesn’t have to go negative; the press will do it for him.”
HOw true.
THE DNC better be looking at why Obama can’t carry the big states.
Penn, and Ohio are a must win for Obama (since he trashed Florida).

The dems will nominate Obama, to their peril. PA shows precisely why Obama can’t win the general.. if the liberals would care to digest the exit polling. And why should I be surprised another superdelegate would go AGAINST his state’s vote to endorse Obama. Some of these guys better be careful, not sure their constituents are going to like that next time they run.. oh, but who cares, right? As long as we nominate the liberal. Will Democrats ever learn this is a right of center country?
It would be funny, if it wasn’t so damn sad.

everyone who calls this all mysogyny… when people point to the facts… not spin but the facts…
Are doing women a great injustice.
Hillary uses “mysogyny” like a tool. Obama when asked says racism is out there but if any man acted like Clinton and just imagine it… they would be duly thumped out of not only the race…but the political scene…they would find themselves over at FoxNews.
I am sure there are people who won’t vote for her becasue she is a woman and just as many that are only voting for her because she is a woman.
but here a candidate is slyly twisting the vote counts and the election…if a man did that and people called him on it… people would get it…but once again throw in “mysogyny” to deflect any questions.
You hurt women when you do that. Like Hillary who says she “ducked” sniper fire getting out of the plane… you belittle the actual danger or the reality of something when you use it as a tool against everything.
If it’s mysogyny then call it what it is…but …
If someone is saying her numbers don’t add up, or that she is wrong to threaten a country who is trying to get nuclear weapons (because that is the stupidest move any pol can make because it does not deter it drives) and someone types “mysogyny” because of that, I would hope women would step up and say… don’t take that term so lightly. Hillary winning does not mean people get to weaken an important argument protecting women.

The “press” is still favoring Obama and you can tell from network to network search. ONLY on CBS it shows the popular vote in the country and Hillary Clinton has more POPULAR VOTE. All you see is the delegate vote— Obama outspent 4-1 against the Hillary campaign with his negative ads and yet she won. Which only goes to prove that you can’t fool the American People all the time. Polls before the election were posted on all the website news channels showing Obama took over Hillary and he was in the lead – they were misleading and not true but to give Obama the edge and Obama the enthusiasm to win —yet she still won. Senator Ted Kennedy came out and campaign until he almost dropped because he will not allow a woman to be President. What a fool! Woman are more nurturing, fostering of encouragement and this is what the country is going to need in the next many years because of our economy, not some young inexperienced sermon pitching man, driven by people behind the scenes.

S.B., you wrote: “…now brings the delegate deficit to 2.” I believe there is one small problem with the math. There were 55 uncommitted delegates in Michigan. I don’t believe you included these. Since these were a protest vote against Sen. Clinton, these 55 delegates would be “going against the will of the people,” if they were to now commit to Sen. Clinton. So they would likely be voting for Sen. Obama. Therefore, providing the rest of the math is correct, Sen. Obama would still have a delegate lead of 57.

OBAMA HAS CONVINCED THE DNC WE HAVE 48 STATES — NOT 50 — HOWEVER, THE PEOPLE OF AMERICA KNOW BETTER!
THERE SHOULD BE A REVOTE IN FL & MI NOW!!
To ignore these two important states is NOT FAIR and will bite the party in the ### in the general election.
COME ON HOWARD DEAN AND SUPERDELEGATES — BE FAIR! GET US A REVOTE IN FL & MI OR LOSE TO THE GOP IN THE GE!

To the lady who lives in PA and is disappointed with the results – MOVE. The Casey’s are as much old guard as Rendell and the others. the only Casey won was because the intense dislike of Bush and Santorum. People get real. Obama carries 90% of the black vote and not much else. Here in Western PA Hilary stomped Obama by large amounts. Fayette County went 80% for Hiliary. CNN exit polls showed in a McCain-Obama matchup, 10% of Democrats would not vote and 15% percent would vote for McCain.

The media really has to sit and take a long hard look now, the voters are showing without a doubt that they want Hillary in this race no matter how MSM tries to get her to drop out.
This woman has faced everything you can imagine, over and over its done by every network some more than others to spoil her image and make Obama into the new messiah , but yet she keeps going and the people keeps her in the race.
3 mill dollars in donations 80% new donations, that is a awful lot of viewers, that is outright telling the media to change their attack. CNN took forever to call PA, when a foreign media house Sky news called it, imagine that while the US MSM was pussyfooting with the outcome the foreign press was congratulating Hillary.
This kind of thing is really a poor reflection on MSM, I have to say FOX did call it at least 20minute ahead of every other media house so hats off to them.
If MSM does not understand what the American people are telling them, its really a sad state of affairs. Yesterday the MSM cry was first she had to win by 6-7 % to make a difference, then they changed it to 10% and while the race was going on they went for 20%, each time setting the bar to unrealistic figures just to dampen her win.
This disgusting open pandering by the MSM for Obama needs to stop, the people are not buying into that, and it sure showed in PA last night.

It has come to this. Clinton should have ran for Pres 4 years ago. If anyone is saying that Obama will lose to Mccain, just take a good look at the mess the US in is now. Clinton should have put Obama out of his misery after Super Tuesday. This race is Hillarys to lose and she lost it. Nobody wants to say it so there it has been said.

SJ
Use your brain and analyze your own argument. Going into Pennsylvania, Hillary needed to win 65%-35% on average to catch Obama in the delegate count. So asking her to win just 60%-40% to start off isn’t MSM bias, it’s MSM reality check. Okay, so she didn’t. Where does that leave us? Right back where we started. She needed to prove yesterday that the bottom had fallen out from under Obama. She didn’t. If anything, despite Rev. Wright, despite bitter-gate, he still won more white vote in Pennsylvania than he did in Ohio. What does that say? NOTHING HAS CHANGED. If anything, MSM are helping HIllary. If she was any other candidate, they would have called this game already. She has already lost. Anybody that doesn’t see this, is absolutely nuts.

This thing has become an absolute joke. The Hillary campaign is trying to rewrite the rules in the freaking middle of a campaign. They have lost the delegate race, so now it’s about popular vote. When you try to get them to commit to that, they reverse course and say it’s about electibility even though all the polls are showing Obama running better against McCain. They say it’s about blue collar white folks, implicitly insulting young folks and black folks. Then they say, count FL and MI even though they agreed to not count them in the beginning. This is jungle politics. Why can’t Obama call these suckers out of their BS? Why?

Kevin, get over your self Obama cannot hold one big state to win any seats in the electorial college so he will lose big time, if he cant win Hillary in these big states you really feel he is going to beat McCain?
Do the numbers we are looking at the electorial college not primaries where a democrat is running against another democrat, where is the Obama push in these states to beat McCain?
Hillary supporters in those state are already saying they will not vote for him if he is the nominee and AA cannot pull him over the top they just don’t have the numbers even if every single one of them comes out to vote.
The best chance the DNC has in this election is going with Hillary if they do not they will lose big time and that is a fact.

To Kevin and all the Obama supporters: Just check THE RULES of the nominating process, if neither candidate gets to 2025 in PLEDGED DELEGATES then neither candidate “wins” the nomination. Obama does not have this nomination “won”, unless he blows out Hillary in the remaining primaries and reaches 2025 pledged delegates. What both delegates have is an opportunity to convince superdelegates that they are better prepared to face John McCain in the GE. Hillary is completely within her right to go all the way to the convention, some Democrats might say that she is being VERY AMERICAN by acting like a TRUE AMERICAN and FIGHTING FOR DEMOCRATS! Since Obama refuse to debate, and refuses to allow reporters to ask him tough questions, it’s questionable whether Obama has what it takes to make it to the GE, let alone be president. Obama’s fall back position when he is down is to do a rapper dance and give Hillary the finger with a wink, wink…that kind of behavior won’t fly against John McCain, even though the sexist media loves it when it is done to Hillary…

SHE WON BY LESS THAN 10% FOLKS DO THE MATH. The numbers I see is that she won by 9.38%–by rounding a 9 POINT WIN. Now do people call for her to quit?

I know the polls are showing that more Obamas will vote Hillary than the Hillary people will vote Obama in Penn. yesterday…
They better do a national vote before the Supers make up their minds… I will never ever vote for Hillary. Those women who are just voting for her because she is a woman and not on the issue or who she really is makes me mad) I will put McCain in office for four years (he cannot do any worse than Bush, he might even get somethings straighten out)… Then maybe in 4 years Obama will run again…
If Hillary wins my vote will go McCain… without question…. and 30 other people I know.
Supers better stop this and stop it fast.

Updated:
Obama’s state wins 30 lost 15, Delegate count 1715 +/-, Negatives are way down, Better nominee
Clinton’s state wins 15 lost 30, Delegate count 1585 +/-, Negatives way up. Not a good nominee.
Fund Raising Obama beats Clinton or McCain Expediently.
Registering new voters Obama beats Clinton or McCain.
Bring the country together Obama beats Clinton or McCain.
Overall, Obama beats Clinton or McCain.
Race against McCain, Obama better nominee.
Obama all the way!

Obama will do no different against McCain in a GE than he is doing against Hillary in a primary. He will win the area with a high concentration of AA and lose all the other outlining areas.
This will happen in every state where you need the big wins, if he could not win over Hillary in these states he will not beat McCain in a one on one race.
Democrats in these critical state for a GE are clearly showing that they do now want Obama as their nominee, if some of you cant see that by now its sad.

EVEN CNN IS REPORTING THAT THE WIN WAS LESS THAN THE MAGIC 10%. IT IS 9.38% FOLKS. USE THAT LITTLE PROGRAM ON YOUR COMPUTER CALLED “CALCULATOR” IT WILL HELP YOU IN YOUR LIFE. Do people call for her to quit like they said they would before the results. No, we like drama not solutions.

Hillary won Scranton by 50 points!! That’s Bob Casey country, like Kennedy he could not deliver! Working class voters can’t be bought and they will vote their pockebooks and values which Hillary shares and that is her key to victory last night and it will win her the Presidency if she is given the chance!

May I ask Hillary supporters
Who leads in states won?
Who leads in pledge delegates won?
Who leads in the popular vote?
Chances are, Obama will make up his net losses in NC
If Hillary loses IN… it’s over
Not only does she needs to win Indiana she needs a blow out to catch Obama in the popular vote
May 6
We will know our nominee
PS
Hillary failed to win 60% of the vote in PA which she needs to catch up in the pop vote. She MUST win NC and IN by margins of 70%-30%
Good luck

I find the decision to ignore Florida and Michigan fascinating. Do Democrats think Obama can win the General Election without them? These states are full of Hillary demographics. The DNC is proving that you can, actually, lose any race if you try hard enough.

Vanessa, so far your candidate only won in the small states, caucus voting style in GOP states. In general Election, these caucuses do exist for helping him to win, unfortunately. And many voters who vote for him in the caucus could be the GOP. They will vote for John McCain in the real Election.

Obama thought he had fooled PA as he has many people in America.
He thought they believed his story about never hearing Rev.Wright’s sermons.
He thought they bought his story about Ayers.
He thought they believed he wasn’t elitist because he was raised by a single mom.
Well not everyone is fooled. When you lie about your church and use your church for political gain, then sell them out…Some people will just not ignore that.

Vanessa, can you name any Dem candidate who can win the Red States in the past? I wish Obama might be the only one exception.

Do you think he can win any southern states in the GE Hillary can win FL.

Vanessa,
Perhaps yuo can talk yourself into believing but you can’t fool us. Obama cannot get the Reagan Democrat voters. We will see this again in KY, IN, and WV. In November Obama’s southern black advantage in those states will become a lot less effective when Republicans and Independents vote.
and the most damaging state of all is MA who will vote McCain over Obama because to them Obama = Patrick. They were burned by the Axelrod scam once.

Vanessa post:” North Carolina, Iowa, Colorado, Missouri, New Mexico etc
These are states Kerry lost in 2004
Data shows Obama has a better chance winning NM against McCain then Clinton”
Well, Kerry is backing Obama, history will repeat itself again. The moral votes which kill Kerry in 2004 could turn into Patriot votes to kill Obama in this November. Obama was 20 years late to distinct himself from Wright. I don’t think American voters can forget it.

Like I said, Florida will remain Republican
I’m not saying Obama will win all the red states etc WV or KY in the GE, neither will Clinton
Clinton has won several states that are the blue of the bluest
We’ve seen we can’t win with only blue states
We need RED, and who has won majority of the swing states and several 2004 red states that can go either way
Obama
Obama will win CA and NY etc
Can Hillary win NC and IA
no

Vanessa,
Kerry won PA in 2004. Yestarday PA the overwhelming number of Democrat voters told us they will not support Obama. The message is loud and clear.

Women are voting for Hillary and there are more women middle aged that have supported democrats but that story is never told .Bucks county Pa went for Clinton tons of middle age women.not racist working class college educated teachers and nurses. and thier blue collar workers husbands

Hillary can win Fl. because of the women population and because they are for her.

Vanessa post:” But at the end of the day, when Hillary is gone and forgotten, the Dems will rally around Obama”
It might happen 12 years from now. Keep your dream. But my prediction that Obama political life will end once Hillary is out. The only chance he can be US President in the future is stop the race now, support Hillary win back the White House, do more public service works and especially CHANGE and CHANGE his Church.

CHANGE, CHANGE, and CHANGE he can do is changing himself to be patriot because talking about changing America. Just simple…

LOM asks: “Why don’t you tell us how Obama clinches this nomination when it he demonstrated once again last night he can’t garner the support of white blue-collar voters despite being the front-runner with more pledged delegates, states won and popular vote AND massively outspending his opponent?”
Here is your answer: Because 80% of the states have already voted!!!!! That’s why. And Mr. Obama is leading by a small, but nearly insurmountable, margin. The fact that I point this out doesn’t make me a misogynist. It’s just math.
Obama has been winning more states by larger margins (and losing states by smaller margins) since the process began in january. What you are basically arguing is that because Clinton is winning NOW, the states that voted the other way over the past 3 months should not count.
So WHO, exactly, is it that is trying to disenfranchise voters? Hmmm?

I agree with the following observation.
Obama is much weaker than Mondale in his background.
Working class still constitutes about 48% of voters, more moderates in Dems than radical liberals.
No matter what, only radical liberals are not enough for a dems GE win.
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russel:
I just got back from PA where I helped my gal get out the vote and win an impressive victory last night!! It is obvious that if Hillary is not the nominee Democrats will lose the working class vote and we will have another Mondale on our hands! So if the superdelegates go with Obama and we lose then the moderates will be able to say I told you so and maybe then we can take back this party from the radical left and give it back to mainstream Democrats! Unless we do we will continue to lose the White House to the Republicans!

Actually, geevil, in exit polling the majority of voters said they thought Obama would BE the nominee.
Just because you’re salivating for mcbush, doesn’t mean the rest of the country is that gullible!!!
Obama 2008 — Yes, WE CAN!!!

Geevil: the only way in which Devall Patrick and Barack Obama are “the same” is the color of their skin.
But of course THAT is what you mean, isn’t it? For you, all black people are alike, I guess.
It is quite sad how Mrs. Clinton’s campaign has been bringing out the hidden racism inside of even the most liberal Democrats. It makes me very sad.

neither, it’s telling.
it tells who can easily win the big states and who may have a bit of trouble. HRC being the former, BO the later.

Can we trust anyone to lead and change America if he can’t change himself or his closed relation people to love America and proud to be an American.

Is Obama in fact “unelectable” as LOM insists? I really don’t know. YOU seem to be sure that you know, but I have a bit more humility. I cannot see the future, being (unfortunately) a mere mortal.
There is one thing that I do know: Obama is in the lead in the Democratic primary. That should mean something. Unfortunately, for Clinton supporters such as you, it appears that you cannot accept the fact that your candidate is losing. So you are flinging your hate and vitriol against the man who is beating her. It’s sad, really.
The bottom line is that Mrs. Clinton will have to earn aprox two thirds of the remaining superdelegates in order to catch up to Mr. Obama and take the nomination. This seems unlikely to me, and so I conclude that Obama will be the nominee. AND THAT IS THAT.
I, you see, am a Democrat. Which means that I support with my whole heart the person who is the Democratic nominee. Mrs. Clinton is losing and likely will not get the nomination. But your loyalty (normally a good thing) to her is causing you all to cast aspersions on Mr. Obama and hurt his chances in November.
As I said, the Democratic party doesn’t need a bunch of sore-loser crybabies. We need to come together to win in November, but if all you Clinton supporters insist that it’s YOUR CANDIDATE or you’re leaving the party, then you are NO DEMOCRAT.

“boy”?? Haven’t black men been called “boy” by white people for long enough? Does that really have to continue?
CAN YOU IMAGINE what your emotions would be if somebody called Mrs. Clinton “a girl”? I suspect you would be ranting and raving about misogyny. And you would be right.
As I pointed out, for some strange reason, the Clinton campaign has been bringing out an uncomfortable amount of hidden racism from “democrats” who support her.

Statecraft says: “I just care who has the experience and patriotism to lead and rescues the America”
Well, I hope you mean that. The fact is that Hillary and Barack would both do a fine job as President. Either one of them would be many orders of magnitude better than the current disaster-in-chief occupying the White House.
And either one of them would be many times better than Grandpa Munster would.
The problem, as I see it, is that Mrs. Clinton’s supporters (well, many of them anyway) are so eager to see her win in spite of the fact that she is behind right now in the bottom of the ninth inning, that they are convincing themselves that Mr. Obama is some kind of anti-Christ. You are blinding yourself. He will make a fine president. As would Hillary.
But only one of them can win, and he is winning, and the game is almost over. Will you ruin the chance for the winner just because that winner is not your first choice? Would you damn our country with another 4 years of republican misrule simply out of pique?

I am no democrat and will now whole-heartedly cast my vote for McCain should Obama win the nomination.
Obama, the uniter, has left a lot of people feeling this way.
Barack Obama is simply unelectable!

Before Wright story, I think I can have Clinton/Obama ticket. Now, my vote is for John McCain if Obama name is on the ballot either way.

I’m not republican either. I just don’t support Obama.

LOM: So you’re neither a Democrat nor a Republican, but you support Mrs. Clinton? GREAT! I suppose that means you support her policies.
But HOW CAN THAT BE if you reject Mr. Obama? They have the same policy priorities. And they are both better than John McCain.
So what’s up? or are you nothing more than one of Rush Limbaugh’s false Democrats voting for the person who you (he) thinks would be easier to beat in November?

I told you so,
Every time he lose he will beg a superdelegate to endorse him.

Davids, they, Clinton and Obama are both better than John McCain but McCain and Hillary both have patriot while Obama doesn’t. Otherwise, He will distinct himself from Wright before the story leaked out. In real world, people often make mistake and the mistake could be changed or it could correct by itself in time but some never will and can.

IT’S TIME AMERICA:
It’s time for everyone to face the truth. Barack Obama has no real chance of winning the national election in November at this time. His crushing defeat in Pennsylvania makes that fact crystal clear. His best, and only real chance of winning in November is on a ticket with Hillary Clinton as her VP.
Hillary Clinton seemed almost somber at her victory speech. As if part of her was hoping Obama could have defeated her. And proved he had some chance of winning against the republican attack machine, and their unlimited money, and resources. In all honesty. I felt some of that too.
But it is absolutely essential that the democrats take back the Whitehouse in November. America, and the American people are in a very desperate condition now. And the whole World has been doing all that they can to help keep us propped up.
Hillary Clinton say’s that the heat, and decisions in the Whitehouse are much tougher than the ones on the campaign trail. But I think Mr. Obama faces a test of whether he has what it takes to be a commander and chief by facing the difficult facts, and the truth before him. And by doing what is best for the American people by dropping out of the race, and offering his whole hearted assistance to Hillary Clinton to help her take back the Whitehouse for the American people, and the World.
Mr. Obama is a great speaker. And I am confident he can explain to the American people the need, and wisdom of such a personal sacrifice for them. It should be clear to everyone by now that Hillary Clinton is fighting her heart out for the American people. She has known for a long time that Mr. Obama can not win this November. You have to remember that the Clinton’s have won the Whitehouse twice before. They know what it takes.
If Mr. Obama fails his test of commander and chief we can only hope that Hillary Clinton can continue her heroic fight for the American people. And that she prevails. She will need all the continual support and help we can give her. She may fight like a superhuman. But she is only human.
Sincerely
Jacksmith… Working Class :-)

DavidS, Obama’s campaign manager David Axelrod got an inexperienced, unknown, attractive, charismatic candidate elected Governor of Massachusetts by running on a platform of “Hope and Change”. He has been a miserable failure as he wasn’t prepared for the job. The voters rejected this recycling of that platform by voting against Obama. While it’s true that Deval Patrick is also an African American, I really don’t think color is why the MA voters rejected Obama.

His big problem is he can’t win the Catholic vote. Even with Casey at his side, he just can’t win the Catholic vote.

Tina D: I wouldn’t be too sure of what you call “the catholic vote”.
After all, Rev. Hagee (a vocal McCain supporter, somebody who McCain has said he is “proud” to have endorsing him) has called the Catholic Church “a non-christian cult”. Do you suppose Catholics would vote for McCain over Obama?
What we learned in Penn is that Catholic voters prefer Mrs. Clinton to Mr. Obama. But this does not necessarily mean that they will jump to McCain if Clinton isn’t the nominee.
Most “social justice” catholics (by which I mean Democratic Catholics) will vote for Mr. Obama in November, in my opinion.

I just watched an interesting interview of Claire “my daughter called me a slug” McCaskill. Chris Matthews asked why Obama isn’t really driving home the bread and butter issues, etc. Just moments after doing the “Obama is authentic.. doesn’t just say things to win” routine, she said that right now he’s got to be careful what he says so he’ll be able to bring the Clinton supporters into his fold. Then, she said, we’ll see a sharp pivot as he runs against McCain. Right. Mr. Authenticity.

HoosierSue: If we assume that Clinton primary voters will NOT support the Democratic candidate in November if it is not Mrs. Clinton, then you are correct. But I have more faith in my fellow Democrats than that.
Just because one’s first choice doesn’t win the nomination is no reason to jump to the GOP. It is sad that so many Hillary supporters have indicated just that. Hopefully, it is nothing more than sour grapes. But I am still convined that they will return to the fold come November.
take your Massachusets example: Mass is a HUGELY “blue” state. Do you REALLY think that Massachusettes will go GOP in November rather than vote for Obama? I seriously doubt that. But this seems to be the argument we’re hearing from Clinton supporters. I just don’t buy it.

Greg: the “smoking crack” reference is from the Larry Sinclair allegations. By the way, has Obama ever been asked about that? You can be sure the republicans are all set with the Sinclair files — true or false doesn’t matter to them.

Greg: I did not say that it is “ok”. I simply pointed out that your reliance on that fact is disingenuous.
Mr. Obama used illegal drugs when he was young. As did I. As did many people. As did Bill Clinton (and probably Hillary too, although she has never written or spoken about it). It is a non-issue.
And the fact that you keep bringing it up leads me to believe that you are not really a Democrat supporting HIllary but rather are a Republican in diguise, spreading dirt on our primaries.

Greg: Yes, and Alabama voted for a Democratic governor. But that doesn’t mean they are likely to vote Democrat for PResident, no matter WHO our nominee is.
Face it: Massachusettes (like Alabama) is not in play in November.

Greg:
As for your statment that “obama cant win catholics” . . . perhaps you could explain Maryland, then? Maryland is even more Catholic than Pennsylvania is, but Obama won there handily.
No, Social Justice Catholics will vote Democrat in November, whether the nominee is HIllary or Barack.

Another observation, Greg: What has happened since Ohio’s primary? Let’s look at the numbers:
OH PA
60 and older 28 38
White 34 38
White men 39 44
White women 31 34
Less than $50K 42 46
No college 40 38
College 51 49
Catholic 36 31
Protestant 36 53
You seem to argue that because Mrs. Clinton beat Mr. Obama in Ohio, that means Obama would not be able to win Ohio in November against a Republican. But the trends seem to indicate that he is INCREASING his support in the demographics that concern you.
This seems to indicate increasing strength. And if that is happening even while he is locked in a tough battle with a strong opponent, then I see nothing but up-side once he is nominated and is running against the error-prone, highly flawed John McCain.

Why do comments keep disappearing from this blog? I’ve seen about a dozen disappear in the past few hours. What are the standards that moderators are using here? It seems quite odd.
Anyway, for those Democrats out there who are (for some reason) still bothered by the whole Rev. Wright business, I highly recommend this article by Marty Peretz, the publisher of The New Republic (and a Clinton supporter)

Greg: If hillary’s supporters REALLY would rather vote for Grandpa Munster than Barack, then they’re not real Democrats.
But I suspect most of that is bluster. Real democrats will vote for the nominee in November. Count on it. Just like Republicans will vote for McCain regardless of what brainless idiots like Ann Coulter say today.
And finally, stop saying “lastly”. You do not have the authority to determine when a conversation ends (with you having the last word, of course).

Maybe what we need here is a little investigative reporting. I can’t believe the margins were that great in Bob Casey country.
I’m just saying maybe PA needs to check for some missing ballots or machine malfunctions don’t ya think? Remember the Bronx in New York where there were 80 precincts that didn’t get counted.

The animated red state vs blue state map can be found if you Google.
Robert Vanderbei at Princeton University’s website.
The link is ‘Purple America’
The 2006 Election maps has the animated map showing the results of elections from 1960 to 2006.

DavidS – Can you please describe for me what “Obama is inspiring” means? Seriously.

What Obama and his campaign are mortally wounded, (just like in gladiator) , and they don’t know it yet. The Rev. Wright story and Obama’s membership in his racist, anti-semitic, Hamas promoting, hate-mongering church is the end of Obama’s campaign. Obama’s entire campaign is based on the idea of unity and bringing people together, but the reality of Obama’s actions speaks to who Obama the man truly is. Obama’s condescending, arrogant comments that he made in San Francisco only deepen the wound. The Radical Left Wing of this party is so out of touch with regular Americans, that they don’t understand how Obama’s “speech” could somehow make up for Obama’s 20 years of sitting in a cess pool of hatred. The slow drip, drip is the end of Obama’s campaign. If Obama were a true democrat and a true man, he would bow out gracefully now in order for the party to come together before he and Howard Dean and the DNC completely tear the democratic party apart. Hillary supporters WILL NEVER VOTE FOR RADICAL LIBERAL LEFT WING ELITE OBAMA!!!

RS: You might be right about Hillary supporters not voting for, as you say, a “radical left wing” candidate. But as Hillary and Barack HAVE NEARLY IDENTICAL POSITIONS ON THE ISSUES, if you are right, then her supporters are simply cutting off their nose to spite their face!
The Rev. Wright matter is a non-issue. Obama has denounced Wright’s comments, and that’s good enough for me. Frankly, your post sounds like it comes from a Republican, not a Democrat. I suspect thats what you are. Republicans have been pushing HARD for a HIllary Clinton nomination – in my opinion, because they know they have a better chance of beating her.
No true Democrat would vote for John “100 years in Iraq is fine with me” McCain, against somebody like Obama who has virtually the same position on the issues as Hillary does.

DavidS: sounds exciting. Now how exactly does “inspire the citizenry to greatness” relate to the real world and real challenges we face? Yes, Bill Clinton was also inspiring — but he also had a firm grasp of the issues, realistic plans, experience and more. I don’t see that in Obama.

DavidS: I actually have read every word on Obama’s website about the issues. Many positions are similar to Clinton’s — some are not. I prefer her health care plan, as an example. The real problem is that I have never seen him discuss his positions with any level of authority. I don’t think he really has the grasp of those issues like Hillary.
I really don’t see how anyone watching debates (and I’ve watched all of them) would see someone ready to be president. And he certainly doesn’t come across as “inspirational” in those forums.

I think inspiration is great and there is no doubt that Obama has done a fantastic job energizing so many more people in this election cycle. I do not trivialize that in anyway. However, at the end of the day, for me it’s about who can deliver solutions to a wide range of issues. Clinton has time and time again demonstrated a commanding knowledge on a range of issues and when she talk about solutions for these issues, she has a confidence that Obama seems to lack when he is off script.
Confidence is what inspires me to vote for Clinton and in a general election with Obama and McCain, it will be confidence again that will decide my vote and that vote would be for McCain.

When I saw Bob Casey, I thought he was much like Senator Obama—a pretty speech and a big smile. People want substance, not showmanship. Casey probably made a big mistake with his endorsement.
Some voters listened, read and were educated about Senator Obama then voted for Hillary Clinton–simple as that.

I agree with the posters that the system is ridiculous, in part because the complexity and the huge variety between states makes it difficult for the voters to understand how their vote gets translated into delegates.
However, given the game is what it is, and the goal is to accumulate delegates, the winner will likely be the campaign that has kept its focus on accumulating delegates rather than running up other metrics that are only tangentially related to the outcome.
Example: Turnovers are good and can contribute to a winning game. But games are won on points, not on a tally of turnovers.
If the delegates were awarded based on number of counties won, both campaigns would presumably have used a very different strategy in their campaigning.

This is what I read from the 24th april Herald Tribune issue : Top hedge fund managers are betting on… Obama. Further the explanation is this one :” So why is Obama such a popular choice among the hedge fund crowd? In a word, access. Unlike Mc Cain and Clinton, Obama is relatively new to national politics and is therefore open to bringing new people-and new money-into the tent. For money types who want a table, or at least to look involved and get an invitation to the right parties,Obama is the candidate.” This probably explains why so much money is poured into Obama campaign and why he struggles hard to have the support of the blue collar voter. It explains why his voters have been reported all along as upper and educated class, elite in a way. The voter has to see for self interest, and if some of the billionnaire see more to get from Obama, the worker and the median class want to see someone who can fight hard for them and Hillary Clinton’s profile looks more like it. But even though she won most of the big states, some would insist that she steps down because they just want to see Obama as the nominee. It’s up to the popular vote to speak up and tell again and again that their real interests are what counts. And never give up just like Hillary. Isn’t everything a fight in this world even more in politics?