Clinton’s Iran Threat Contradicts Previous Position on Making Such Comments
Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, told Chris Cuomo on GMA this morning that should Iran attack Israel with nuclear weapons, "I want the Iranians to know that if I’m the president, we will attack Iran…In the next 10 years, during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them."
The comment seems to contradict previous statements Clinton has made on the subject — not so much about her willingness to attack Iran, but about the wisdom of discussing such a move.
During a debate on MSNBC last October, moderator Brian Williams asked Clinton what her "red line" would be "concerning when to, if to attack Iran? What would make it crystal-clear in your mind that the United States should attack Iran?"
Clinton at the time wouldn’t answer the question, even when pressed by Williams, who had to come back at her after she gave a lengthy non-responsive answer.
"Respectfully, Senator," Williams said, "same question though: Do you have a threshold…?
Clinton would only say, "I want to start diplomacy….I am not going to speculate about when or if they get nuclear weapons."
Her current remarks are quite a contrast from that cautiousness.
Moreover, at the AFL-CIO candidate forum last August after Sens. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, and Chris Dodd, D-Conn., got into a heated exchange about Obama’s pledge to attack targets within Pakistan — with or without the Pakistani government’s permission — should he as president get actionable intelligence of high-value al Qaeda targets in that country.
Clinton at that time scolded her colleagues for having the discussion.
“Well, I do not believe people running for president should engage in hypotheticals," she said. "And it may well be that the strategy we have to pursue on the basis of actionable intelligence — but remember, we’ve had some real difficult experiences with actionable intelligence — might lead to a certain action."
Clinton said then that she thinks "it is a very big mistake to telegraph that and to destabilize the Musharraf regime, which is fighting for its life against the Islamic extremists who are in bed with al Qaeda and Taliban. And remember, Pakistan has nuclear weapons. The last thing we want is to have al Qaeda-like followers in charge of Pakistan and having access to nuclear weapons. So you can think big, but remember, you shouldn’t always say everything you think if you’re running for president, because it has consequences across the world. And we don’t need that right now."
So what has changed other than her desire to appear tougher than Obama?
It would seem to me that her threat to Iran is a direct contradiction of her refusal last October to engage in speculation about when she would take military action against Iran, as well as a contradiction of her pish-poshing last August about engaging in foreign policy hypotheticals.
- jpt
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Lets go back to Stone age … People have to change based on circumstances and evidence presented.
This is part of life.
Do not compare Pakistan to Iran. Iran is the one which is saying it will wipe out Israel.
Posted by: Rick | April 22, 2008, 10:07 am 10:07 am
“If I’m president we will attack Iran.”
Ok, great. She campains on ending one war and want to launch another one.
How lightly those people talk of supressing others’ lifes….
Posted by: Cecile | April 22, 2008, 10:08 am 10:08 am
Anyone get the feeling that her finger should kept far away from The Button?
Ya, I do.
Posted by: The Commander Guy | April 22, 2008, 10:09 am 10:09 am
Of Course it is a direct contradiction to what Hillary has previously stated. It is pretty well established that Hillary will say or do anything to get elected. What else is news. Not only has she blown her chance at this years election, she has eliminated her chances in 2012 if need be. How is that scorched earth policy working out? Hmmmmm….58% of Americans do not believe Hillary is trustworthy or honest. That will win a General Election, Not!!!
Posted by: Shattered Democrat | April 22, 2008, 10:10 am 10:10 am
what i dont understand is the attitude that it is athreat,its called deterance and please tell me if iran launched a nucular attack against israel what we should do.this policy of warning iran of the consequences as i cannot see any other option other than deterance should iran get the bomb.please enlighten me of other options if iran should use a nuke against israel.
Posted by: don tufts | April 22, 2008, 10:11 am 10:11 am
After thirty years of Iran pissing in the soup of world relations, give me the button and I’ll nuke Iran. But that is why she will be the next President and not me or Obama.
She didn’t say this is something she intends to do. She said that Iran knows that if they use nukes on Israel, that is the guaranteed result. Israel would not step back and it has the capacity to retaliate massively, so no matter WHO launches, the results are guaranteed.
This isn’t playing a fear card; this is saying there is little to fear. This is fact. Once a country threatens its neighbors with obliteration, they go on the obliteration list of their neighbor’s allies. We call it MAD and it sure is.
The difference of course, is Iran won’t be able to obliterate us soon without a delivery system. On the other hand, Pakistan is testing long range missiles and that means via the usual conduits, Iran will. So the fear is for the Europeans to deal with in the medium term.
Posted by: len | April 22, 2008, 10:12 am 10:12 am
Obama’s response. “who cares about Israel? go away and let me eat my waffle in peace”
Posted by: geevill | April 22, 2008, 10:14 am 10:14 am
THE WOMAN IS OUT OF CONTROL.
SHE WILL DO OR SAY ANYTHING FOR A VOTE.
YEAH SEND IN THE NUKE AND POISON US ALL!
MAKE IT KNOWN WHAT YOU WILL DO . TEASE
A BULLY THE BULLY WILL GET EVEN. HER GOES MORE ATTACKS..HOW MANY WILL DIE FOR THIS 1?
SHE IS AND WILL MAKE AMERICANS A TARGET
GOOD JOB.
OBAMA08
Posted by: Lauren | April 22, 2008, 10:15 am 10:15 am
Shattered say – “Hmmmmm….58% of Americans do not believe Hillary is trustworthy or honest”
That poll may have been 58% of DEMOCRATS believe Hillary is not Trustworth or Honest.
May be wrong, but that’s my recollection.
Posted by: The Commander Guy | April 22, 2008, 10:15 am 10:15 am
You are absolutely correct Jake in my estimation. She also said during campaign speech in response to Obama’s statement of bombing Pakistan (I can’t remember when) something to the effect of, “You won’t have to worry about me making big assertions in order to appear tough”. She was apparently making this point to highlight the fact that her past record was strong enough to stand on therefore she had no need to make bombastic statements. Obviously this is not the a case anymore.
Posted by: JohnDoe | April 22, 2008, 10:17 am 10:17 am
when you taunt and tease a DOG THE DOG MUST TIMES WILL BITE YOU!!
WITH THE WORDS SHE USED I THINK SHE TAUNTED THE DOG.
SHE NEEDS TO GO AWAY FAST.
Posted by: Lauren | April 22, 2008, 10:17 am 10:17 am
And this surprises who? PA will probably give it to her today in all their glorious stupidity all the while ignoring these facts that keep emerging. The only people who think Clinton has been vetted are herself, the media (who feels sorry for her that Bill motel 6ed her) and the uneducated. The woman is simply a liar. Period.
Posted by: Brian | April 22, 2008, 10:17 am 10:17 am
If she changed her mind…great Rick…what else is she going to change her mind on if she so easily moves from that position to this one?
This is a HUGE issue and now the media (after all this crap that matters SOOOO much less being covered) finally may touch on the fact that Hillary is looking at the world in a stance that is almost identical to the one that got us here.
She is more of a hawk than her husband. She is at the least as much of a hawk as McCain.
Well guess what just like Vietnam…strong hawks are wrong. These problems can’t be resolved with Iran if you are threatening the nuclear card. This is not Russia and Reagan. You don’t threaten someone who does not have nuclear power with nuclear power…that just makes them want to get nuclear power more.
duh.
this woman is horribly wrong…and just like many of us said with GW …this candidate is going to destroy our nation. if this is her view.
Posted by: dl | April 22, 2008, 10:18 am 10:18 am
Anyone get the feeling that her finger should kept far away from The Button?
Ya, I do.
Posted by: The Commander Guy | Apr 22, 2008 10:09:00 AM
ME TOO!!
Posted by: Lauren | April 22, 2008, 10:20 am 10:20 am
again what would all of you on the far left have us do if iran aquired nukes and then used them first strike against israel?
Posted by: don tufts | April 22, 2008, 10:22 am 10:22 am
She’s going to say whatever ‘fits’ at that moment. And Obama did not say, “Who cares about Israel, let me eat my waffle.” He grouched about being pressured to interview before he’d even finished his breakfast. I just read where Clinton tries to force all her volunteers to donate to her cmpaign and to sign an agreement that they will vote for her. How obnoxious can you get?
Posted by: Kay | April 22, 2008, 10:22 am 10:22 am
Jake you’re totally right of course that the statement IS a direct contradiction to what she said earlier. But the contradictory aspect of it is not the most serious part.
It has amazed me that after the ABC debate only a few journalists (you among them) seem to have picked up her line about the expansion of a nuclear umbrella for the Middle East. I’m pretty sure a large majority of Americans would NOT be supportive of that idea, if they would take into account the positions of Russia and China for instance (among MANY other objections to be made).
Clinton’s incredibly bold statement about “totally obliteraing” a country with nukes, even though that country does NOT attack the USA, is shocking. She positions herself to the right of neocons and McCain, and portrays herself as the opposite of another still running candidate, Ron Paul. I’m afraid this is not the place to discuss the issue at length, but it SHOULD be discussed at length in MSM, for this is serious stuff and I think Hillary is very much on the wrong track here.
It sends a strange and confusing message to the world, both to our NATO allies who will be unpleasantly surprised, and to Russia and China who will be furious about such imperial dreams from a Democratic prez candidate.
Wouldn’t it be much wiser to stress diplomacy and building alliences after everything Bush did wrong after 9/11? Yes, no doubt.
To me, Hillary again has proven that she’s not ready for the Presidency, and I even doubt her readiness now to draw our troups back from Iraq. If she wants to control the Middle East, they’d better stay there. And let’s provide them with the necessary nukes to fulfill their mission…
Hillary has been VERY foolish and reckless. I’m glad she will never win the nomination.
Posted by: ken | April 22, 2008, 10:25 am 10:25 am
ITS OBVIOUS I DONT KNOW TO MUCH ABOUT IT. BUT WOULDNT THE DUST AND PLUME GO OVER THE WHOLE AREA AND EFFECT IRAN ALSO IF THEY NUKED ISRAEL?
Posted by: Lauren | April 22, 2008, 10:25 am 10:25 am
Is anyone really shocked she is saying 2 different things? If it’s one thing we have learned in this primary election is that Hillary will do anything and say anything to win. She’s gonna take the whole party down with her. Come on PA, boot her out before it’s too late!
Posted by: Tiffany | April 22, 2008, 10:26 am 10:26 am
Hillary is nuts! she’s willing to start a world war, what an idiot! you think other countires are going to sit back and let the U.S. start dropping nukes?
she says anything to get elected, what the hell is wrong with her, scaring people, I’ll say it again, what an idiot!
Posted by: Joe | April 22, 2008, 10:27 am 10:27 am
This Woman HRC is really confused. YOU CAN VISUALIZE CLEARLY. She is at the position of confusing Americans too due to her big lies. One French philosopher said that ‘…you need to be extra intelligent, with extra memory if you are are a liar…else you must be caught…’!
This candidate HRC, is just spatting anything to get elected! Its very dangerous to America. Suppose she get that presidency and America faces the crossroad of president who has always been a liar, flip flops to woo her political admirers and let America into chaotic reactions unforechecked, this will lead into horrible end!
She is a failure, whom all backers should skip away and let it out for new America, a changed America which can consistently sustain any danger persistently and intelligently and not flip flopping politics which have no direction and vision.
America can view all consistent policy and visionary change advocated by OBAMA. This shows that the future of America needs more intelligent president, caring, cautious, and not abrupt ideological reactionists.
Posted by: Paul Msaki | April 22, 2008, 10:30 am 10:30 am
Iran nukes Israel
WWOD? instead of bashing Clinton, please tell us what would Obama do?
Posted by: geevill | April 22, 2008, 10:32 am 10:32 am
to lauren it would depend on the weather conditions at the time of detonation and i dont think that would mean anything to the leaders in iran.
Posted by: don tufts | April 22, 2008, 10:32 am 10:32 am
to paul miski again answer the question what should we do if iran nuked israel with a first strike,just sit back and let it happen like the world did with the holocost and germany?
Posted by: don tufts | April 22, 2008, 10:35 am 10:35 am
remember this nut in charge of Iran was involved in taking our people hostage. It is not a stretch to imagine what he would do with Carter II (Obama) in office.
Posted by: geevill | April 22, 2008, 10:37 am 10:37 am
remember this nut in charge of Iran was involved in taking our people hostage. It is not a stretch to imagine what he would do with Carter II (Obama) in office.
Posted by: geevill | April 22, 2008, 10:37 am 10:37 am
I would not drop a nuke just cause they did! you have been watching too many movies, go read up on some history!
Posted by: Joe | April 22, 2008, 10:39 am 10:39 am
Watching the debate and hearing her response to that question… a red flag immediately went up
These nations she plans to put under an “umbrella” already have an alliance with America
She went to far
Obama’s remark was much more acceptable, the United States would take immediate action
No No “bomb bomb” Iran
I swear… Hillary is a Republican
You have to watch what you say and how you say it. This made news in middle east. I can’t remember which nation but I read it in an article.
Posted by: Vanessa | April 22, 2008, 10:40 am 10:40 am
Obama said his plans are to take care of it before it reaches this point. I feel with a good cabinet behind him he can solve a lot of our problems. Who in their right mind would say they would just hit them back… Hillary and a nuclear war…. OMG…
Posted by: Becky | April 22, 2008, 10:41 am 10:41 am
Thanks Joe.
Just as I thought. An Obama supporter who wants Israel to be destroyed.
Posted by: geevill | April 22, 2008, 10:41 am 10:41 am
Pls. tell me what is the difference between Hillary and McCain??
Posted by: tango | April 22, 2008, 10:42 am 10:42 am
Typical Hillary.
When I need a different vote, I will change my position. If the media points this out, I will complain of a media bias.
Someone please give Hillary some cheese to go with that whine.
Posted by: Debbie | April 22, 2008, 10:44 am 10:44 am
the bottom line before any of the other problems with ehr statements on this issue (i.e. umbrella on the us’s dime that would subjegate the congress on the discussion – yes, thank you for voting to take away congressional oversight…makes more sense now)
the bottom line is…
This is not an arms war with Russia like Reagan.
You do not threaten outwardly nuclear retaliation to a government that does not have nuclear weapons. It is a stupid…yes “stupid” move.
Anyone with half a political brain knows that is just going to give them not only more of the drive to get them…but the soundbite excuse in their argument for why they need them.
This was not only dangerous , counter to her stance to the voters she has been pitching in every other state but
STUPID… this was “GW Bush stupid”, aggressive and dangerous.
Get our eyes back on the ball with this election…or we get what we deserve. Our economy, this war, and our present foreign policy stance (which we now see is the same as Hillary’s) will destroy us. Period.
Learn something from the last 7 years.
Posted by: dl | April 22, 2008, 10:50 am 10:50 am
Do we even need a Republican party when we have Hillary Clinton??
Posted by: JW | April 22, 2008, 10:51 am 10:51 am
WITH HILLARY IN CHRGE NO ONE IS SAFE.
BOY I HOPE Pa. VOTERS GO ON LINE BEFORE THEY VOTE!!
THE LADY..SHOULD NOT HAVE THE POWER TO RUIN THIS PLANET.
WELL IT LOOKS LIKE WE (AMERICANS WILL BE BUILDING BOMB SHELTERS AGAIN ).
BY THE GRACE OF GOD WE WILL NOT HAVE HER IN OFFICE. SHE SOUNDS LIKE A WAR MONGER.
Posted by: Lauren | April 22, 2008, 10:53 am 10:53 am
SO DON
I SEE YOU AGREE WITH HILLARY?
DID YOU THINK YOUR DECISION THROUGH?
IF WE DO IT HILLS WAY DO YOU HONESTLY BELIEVE WE WILL WALK AWAY UNSCATHED?
OTHER TERRORIST WILL JUST TAKE UP THEIR CAUSE AND DESTROY US? IS THAT VIABLE FOR YOU?
Posted by: Lauren | April 22, 2008, 10:56 am 10:56 am
lauren if we dont assure israel’s safety and tell them their on their own they will take out irans nucular sites before they can get the bomb and with the leader of irans statements i really would not blame them.now the only way to stop this madness is to assure irans neighbors that they will be safe NO MATTER WHAT! and to use a carrot and stick approach to iran to get them to suspend their nucular program.
Posted by: don tufts | April 22, 2008, 10:58 am 10:58 am
Israel has enough nukes so that it can obliterate iran on its own. What would America do, turn the rubble into dust?
Posted by: art vandalay | April 22, 2008, 11:00 am 11:00 am
The idea that any country would engage in nuclear war and expect to win at this point is nonsense. All nuclear weapons are at this point is simply providing deterrence and political bargaining chips.
Posted by: art vandalay | April 22, 2008, 11:05 am 11:05 am
Know what I would do Don? I would carpet bomb the heck out of them as soon as we had reliable intelligence that they had nuclear power- I would not WOULD NOT engage in a game of nuclear chicken with Iran or any of their supposed “allies”. This is an irresponsible , irrational approach to a very delicate subject. If this were McCain making these statements the Democrats would have this front and center and be demanding answers. What is she doing? This is not the way a diplomat behaves- this is not a Democratic statement- the next thing you know they will be replaying the videos from the cold war showing our children how to hide under their desks in case of nuclear attack! Support her if you want but admit that this statement is ludicrous and must be addressed!
Posted by: whatever | April 22, 2008, 11:06 am 11:06 am
the funny thing is this plays ionto her whole picture…
Playing…literally playing with the ideas behind sniper fire…her unrepentant non-apologies for the war and her decision to leave the presidency without congressional oversight…leaving the presidency to do as it wants.
She is what everyone is afraid of…she’s playing “war” to show her power. Whe she started at the debate and no one picked up on this…I staretd to ask people about this Iran thing. Now…after seeing her interviews for the past couple of days…
This is horrible…and for the first time in this election. I am really scared.
Posted by: dl | April 22, 2008, 11:09 am 11:09 am
dl-Seriously- someone just commented below that this is a little thing.. God help us all.
Posted by: whatever | April 22, 2008, 11:11 am 11:11 am
Jurymaker
No this is not a small issue as much as Clinto supporters have taken the eyes off the ball with your stupid side issues…
Nuclear weapons and nuclear war is not a small issue…
this is the story that should have been covered a long time ago …if Hillary had been forthright.
Hopefully this gets the attention it should have last week. So Pennsylvanians could have actually addressed the REAL issues of the Presidency.
Posted by: dl | April 22, 2008, 11:13 am 11:13 am
Jurymaker, get out of your hole. This is no “little” matter. The military is stretched extremely thin now. I can’t believe after what we have seen with Dumbya and cronies that anyone could continue to hold these views.
Posted by: JT | April 22, 2008, 11:16 am 11:16 am
Hilary is truly scary. You never know which position or new personality she will take on a given day to suit her needs. Reminds me of the rap on Bill Clinton- he would routinely stick his finger in the air, see which way the wind was blowing, run some self-serving polls, and then say what ever he needed to say to make himself look smarter than the rest of us. The end always justified the means, and he found that sometimes adopting Republican ideas like support for anti-gay legislation, or welfare reform, although against his principles, would be politically rewarding. He had no convictions, only caring about his own selfish needs and getting re-elected. Sounds like our ultra-candidate, the New Republican, Hillary Clinton.
Posted by: rco | April 22, 2008, 11:17 am 11:17 am
This is just shameless!! Is she running for Israel presidency?
To threaten another country with a nuclear attack is the most reckless thing I have heard. She is the one who survived the “Snipre fire” Bosnia. I am alarmed those who rgeret Bush’s presidency with miss it if she gets elected. She is very dangerous and unreliable! BEWARE!
Posted by: shameless | April 22, 2008, 11:18 am 11:18 am
Every Threat ain’t equal to 1938 and the Nazis. This is a Standard Neocon tactic.
My response would both to continue to deter Iran and engage Iran.
This is also partially Isreal’s position to as it has nuclear armed subs that may be sitting off the coast of Iran right now locked and loaded.
Posted by: The Commander Guy | April 22, 2008, 11:28 am 11:28 am
Sen. Clinton wants to appear tough, that’s why she said it. She’ll say and do anything to get into the White House.
How about her fear tv ad.
Obama 08
Posted by: cecil | April 22, 2008, 11:28 am 11:28 am
Hillary Contradicts herself – really – wow never heard that before except for NAFTA, Sniper fire, Lobbiest (she siad they are good for this country), Farrakan and association by guilt (have not heard her reject and denounce Ed),……..
Posted by: Tina | April 22, 2008, 11:28 am 11:28 am
What is irresponsible is that Iran is not even close to having nuclear weapons so why bring this up???
Plus, the Iranian people actually like the USA, why are we alienating them by talking about their “obliteration?” HRC just lost my vote in the GE if she manages to steal the election. The only reason to vote for her was I thought she wouldn’t lead us into war with Iran.
Plus, now how she can criticize McCain for his, “Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran” song. She took it way further.
These recent comments killed her chances with superdelegates. She has no credibility.
Israel has their own nukes and a better military than we do. They don’t need our help. I’ve been to Israel and its a lovely country, but they should have no part of our national campaign.
Posted by: Lola | April 22, 2008, 11:29 am 11:29 am
When you’re president you have to be flexible and adapt your response to changing conditions. That is not flip-flopping, it’s called adapting and responding. There has been a recent exchange in which Ahmadinejhad has again stated his country’s readiness to incinerate Israel. Israel has countered that if Israel were so attacked it would devastate Iran. It was time for the president of America (or one who would be) to let Iran know that if Iran used nukes against Israel it would face them from the U.S. It’s called deterrence and it’s the only thing that madmen can understand. It’s important that the Iranian nutjob have no question in his mind about how the US would respond. Hillary acted as a strong president would in a fluid international crisis.
Posted by: hopesprings52 | April 22, 2008, 11:31 am 11:31 am
Isn’t there some data point that Iran hasn’t invaded another country in something like 150 years? Yes, blow them to smithereens if they do someething to Israel, but a country is allowed self defense – the US is such a hyprocrite in this regard.
Posted by: RobertSeattle | April 22, 2008, 11:34 am 11:34 am
Jake, actually its not surprising. Clinton is famous for flip-flopping on her positions.
Her history states that. One day she’s for that, the other day she isn’t. And then she will claim that she has never supported it(…and then the old videos from the archives come out to silence her, forcing her to “misspeak”)
The fact is she flip-flops because its politically convenient. She think it will help to win more voters, and that’s why her positions shift with the sand.
You know, she’s a fine woman. I respect Sen. Clinton. But whenever she does that, some of that respect can and will deflate the balloon. I wish she could still keep some of her principles and stop all these inconsistencies. Its no wonder her negatives are going up; people are calling her bluff.
Posted by: Tim | April 22, 2008, 11:36 am 11:36 am
Why would we be obligated to attack Iran on Israel’s behalf in this hypothetical situation anyway? Israel also has nuclear weapons, and is perfectly capable of defending herself. The only way we would or should get involved is if Israel was actually unable to defend herself. This is besides the fact that Iran is not stupid enough to nuke Israel. Also, people need to find the real translation of Ahmadinejad’s comments about Israel. He wasn’t advocating destroying them, even if he is an evil man.
Posted by: Howard | April 22, 2008, 11:40 am 11:40 am
“I did -not- nuke that nation!”
Posted by: Jostein | April 22, 2008, 11:55 am 11:55 am
Doug, first of all Clinton went under the same Communist Law professor as Obama!
Also Bork was rejected because he was a Constitutionalist, not a right winger and under Reagan the Senate was controlled by libs that want judges that ignore the constitution ie Activist Judges!!
Do not insult Bork
It is funny how Hilary supporters attack obama and Obama supporters attack Hilary, when both your candidates are Flawed so much. Though Hilary is better then Obama because she at least is not a racist!
yes anyone who plays the race card is a racist!!
Posted by: spock | April 22, 2008, 11:55 am 11:55 am
Hillary is willing to obliterate all the innocent women and children of Iran for the reckless actions of Iran’s dictatorship?? That will show them! I didn’t realize she was such a warmonger. This is more hawkish than George W. Of course, she would never do it. she is just saying and doing anything and everything she can to get elected. It is the Clinton way. We should see it for what it is. You can always count on the Clintons for one scandalous statement or action after another. Another proven Clinton way. Of course, the whole time they blame it on the right wing republicans and a biased media.
Posted by: rco | April 22, 2008, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm
Now Hillary is talking about “obliterating Iran.” Doesn”t she realize that she it talking about killing millions of innocent men, women and children? She is already partly responsible for the death of about a million Iraqis and the dispossession of millions more. Has she no humanity in her at all?
The only war she has seen is her fictional account of her “corkscrew landing in Bosnia and dodging bullets as she ran across the tarmac.” I believe this woman is truly sick.
GO OBAMA
Posted by: jbate | April 22, 2008, 12:09 pm 12:09 pm
Hillary has lied since she started the New York Senate campaign. She has taken over a million dollars from criminals and lied that she didn’t when they went to jail. Hillary has also had fraudulent campaigning with money as well. She and Bill made over $110 million dollars and lets not forget that they had tax cuts for the wealthy (including she and Bill). Barack has made some bad decisions and at least he is not lying about his decisions and I can accept the fact that he is willing to admit to wrong doing and Hillary have lie after lie after lie. If it wasn’t for Sinbad being on that plane in Bosnia, we would have fallen for the OkeyDoke. Check these links out. story and voters will know that Hillary and Bill are in the illegal drug game and much more and will do anything to get back in. And that is destroy the Dem Party. Let’s go PA, NC, IN. We need you! We all love you! We are in this crisis together we can make it out together. I think Barack isn’t perfect but he offers the BEST proposal for us. It is whats best for us, we have to start somewhere. BUSH have torn our nation apart and now WE must put it back together. It takes a VILLAGE to get through tough, rough obstacles. So let’s give our man a chance to prove himself in the White House and maybe we will realize that we need each other in order to get beyond all the dept we have encountered, even our loved ones in IRAQ. We love you guys and we know you want to come home. We all appreciate you militants for protecting us and our country. YOU ARE THE BADDEST MILITANTS IN THE WORLD!
A Strong Barack Supporter!
Posted by: Felesha | April 22, 2008, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm
Quite frankly, I a more concerned about her offer of the same umbrella to the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Dubai, Kuwait and others in the region. These countries while on the surface may seem friendly to the U.S., are not anything like us from form of government to idiology. This seems like more of a payback for the Clinton library and the other 109 million reasons. I do not want her near the White House.
Posted by: Lou - Londonderry, NH | April 22, 2008, 12:17 pm 12:17 pm
Psst….
The is the same US policy we’ve always had.
The US will protect Israel, and if some country sends nukes, we send them back.
Even on Keith Olbermann last night she said that she didn’t think Iran would attack Israel.
The people who are trying to float this stuff probably don’t even know when the last time Iran attacked any country.
Which makes the whole point moot, they are not like Saddam or Israel for that matter, who have attacked their neighbors repeatedly.
Posted by: Cali girl | April 22, 2008, 12:29 pm 12:29 pm
I have been reading another site and people from PA are writing in and saying the voting machines are not work right or not working at all and that…. OBAMA’S name is not on some ballots…I AM SURE HILLARY AND BILL ARE NOT BEHIND THIS ONE… RIGHT…. ABC can you check into this…
Posted by: Becky | April 22, 2008, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm
Nuclear deterrance worked during the cold war. Clinton’s strategy is a hell of a lot better than Obama’s plan. BO is going to sit down and chat with Holocaust-denying Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Maybe he can invite his friends Jimmy Carter and Michael Moore. I’m sure they will have a heart-warming conversation. Maybe Barack will even believe what Ahmadinejad tells him. Then we can all sing kumbaya.
Wake up America! Obama will be the second Carter administration. He is weak and completely unfit for the job.
Posted by: NJH | April 22, 2008, 12:34 pm 12:34 pm
I can hear the attack machines winding this one up right now. Talk about unelectable. If it wasn’t for the statewide machines of Ohio, PA and the Democratic National Committee weak stomach this candidate would have been sent packing.
Posted by: Lou - Londonderry, NH | April 22, 2008, 12:34 pm 12:34 pm
Cali girl
There is no such formal U.S. policy. A nuclear attack on Israel by anyone in the region would certainly put the commander in chief in the position to request from congress the authorization to a measured response. There are no treaties or guarantees that this response would or should be a counter attack with nuclear weapons. The Israeli’s have their own nukes with which to respond. HRC’s comments on this subject are irresponsible and stupid.
NJH
Your knowledge of Middle East history is astounding. While I do not support all of the thinks that Carter has done recently, he is the president most responsible for offering Israel real peace through the Camp David accord. Nuclear deterrence led to run away defense spending until the Soviet Union went bust.
Sounds allot like the path this country is on right now.
Posted by: Lou - Londonderry, NH | April 22, 2008, 12:46 pm 12:46 pm
This is unbelievable! And some might what her to answer the phone at 3AM, but do you really want her to have her fingers anywhere near the Button? Couple this with her statements on China……… and we have either someone who will saying anything to get nominated or we have a very dangerous person totally out of touch with the realities of a global world. If she gets elected she will have us in a war within months or (regarding China) completely devastate our economy. Which ever she is, I am not feeling comfortable trusting the future of our country to her judgment.
Posted by: gc | April 22, 2008, 12:47 pm 12:47 pm
Hillary seems to be unpredictable. Her positions change so frequently and create a lot of contradictions. The problem with Hillary is that she wants to prove that she is tougher than her male conterparts. This can lead to irrational decisions like her vote to invade Iraq, or her recent vote to give Bush the green light to attack Iran.
Posted by: May | April 22, 2008, 12:57 pm 12:57 pm
OBAMA SAID HE WOULD NEGOTIATE WITH IRAN.
CLINTONS SAID SHE WOULD BOMB IRAN.
OBAMA SAID HE WOULD NEGOTIATE WITH IRAN.
CLINTONS SAID SHE WOULD BOMB IRAN.
Sounds like McCain: “BOMB, BOMB, BOMB, IRAN”
Posted by: jbate | April 22, 2008, 1:13 pm 1:13 pm
All joking aside, Senator Clinton’s foreign policy scares the h*ll out of me . . . her penchant for “shading the truth” coupled with her obsession with appearing “strong” could well prove a lethal combination for this nation. Yet the media continues to whistle by the grave yard talking about flag pins and bitterness. I have seen the enemy, and it is the media.
P.S. When is Senator Clinton going to denounce and reject Ed Rendell for his glowing praise of Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam? Oh yeah, that’s just a phony issue that only applies to the black candidate with the funny name . . . my bad.
Posted by: Nobodys fool | April 22, 2008, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm
Lou,
As you know the official Israeli policy is that they don’t have nukes. Which is why this false, you attack Israel with nukes, we will nuke you back is being floated.
Secondly, every Presidential campaign has to prove their bona fides of being the Commander in Chief. As in you attack a country we protect, don’t expect me to do nothing. A standard that is higher for a woman, if you have any intellectual integrity.
Third, all the countries of the world know what is said for the masses doesn’t apply with reality.
Fourth, Iran hasn’t attacked another country in hundreds of years. Which makes the whole point moot to people who really know this. And Hillary herself has stated as much just last night to Keith Olbermann, that she didn’t think it was like Iran to do such a thing.
Fifth, Israel would have to ask for our assistance, as all of our allies must do. That isn’t a change in US policy either.
Sixth, Halliburton sold Iran the centrifuges to enrich the uranium so this whole saber rattling is a ruse from the very beginning. Much like the third point made.
Seventh, if Iran does get bombed by the neo-cons, it will be because of an oil pipeline they want to put through the country into Afghanistan and not nukes.
Eighth, if Iran doesn’t comply there is a map redrawing the Middle East in which they lose ground. They are being pinched and are trying to save face. The fact of the matter is that the Bush Family has had ties with Iran since the October Surprise of 1980, Iran/Contra, etc. In which they have benefitted with money, arms, spare parts for military equipment. Just last year the GAO reported that more parts required for the jets that only Iran have, where sold. Indicating another type of deal was struck.
So sorry if the saber rattling on Iran doesn’t impress me.
Posted by: Cali girl | April 22, 2008, 1:19 pm 1:19 pm
She did not say if I am president I will attack Iran. Only if Iran attacked Israel world she approve of it. I am sure and I would hope Senator Obama would do the same.
Posted by: Tina D | April 22, 2008, 1:24 pm 1:24 pm
Couple these statement with her voting FOR the Kyl-Lieberman Amendment, paving the way for a war with Iran and one has to wonder what she really wants. It seems more and more to be to attack Iran and not simply defend Israel. She also said she’d “build a nuclear umbrella” for all of our allies in the region. So, fine, we can all agree on Israel. But what about Saudi Arabia? Are we willing to nuke Iran over Saudi Arabia? People need to pay closer attention to her foreign policy. It’s scary. She wants a war with Iran.
Posted by: John Diclerico | April 22, 2008, 1:32 pm 1:32 pm
Hillary is quite familiar with obliteration…seeing how she does that quite often with the truth.
Posted by: dave | April 22, 2008, 1:55 pm 1:55 pm
Is she serious or just desperate for the Jewish vote.
One thing’s for sure…foreign policy statements like that must not be political spin. You can’t threathen nuclear war one day then deny it the next. Bi-polar people shouldn’t be in high places.
Posted by: Saber Rattling | April 22, 2008, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm
List all the people who’ve been involved in such an exchange who have later said: “Wow. It’s a REALLY good idea to engage in hypotheticals. Totally win-win. If only I had thought of this before.”
Answers on a postcard.
Posted by: Tom J | April 22, 2008, 2:32 pm 2:32 pm
Yea!!!! Finally ABC doesnt have its head up Hillary’s……
She is not a democrat. She’s a neocon.
Her warmongering is Bush and Cheney verbatim. Massive Retailiation? Obliterate?
Hasn’t our safety been compromised enought without proving to the world that we are a dangerous take over the world type of country?
For the love of God! Please elect Obama. We have to stop this insanity.
Posted by: Mageduley | April 22, 2008, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm
This Woman HRC is really confused. YOU CAN VISUALIZE CLEARLY. She is at the position of confusing Americans too due to her big lies. One French philosopher said that ‘…you need to be extra intelligent, with extra memory if you are are a liar…else you must be caught…’!
This candidate HRC, is just spatting anything to get elected! Its very dangerous to America. Suppose she get that presidency and America faces the crossroad of president who has always been a liar, flip flops to woo her political admirers and let America into chaotic reactions unforechecked, this will lead into horrible end!
She is a failure, whom all backers should skip away and let it out for new America, a changed America which can consistently sustain any danger persistently and intelligently and not flip flopping politics which have no direction and vision.
America can view all consistent policy and visionary change advocated by OBAMA. This shows that the future of America needs more intelligent president, caring, cautious, and not abrupt ideological reactionists.
She’s RECKLESS, AWKWARD AND POORLY UNPREDICTABLE. She proves to be a really a bad omen for America now and then!…lets keep watching.
ITS OBAMA 2008!
Posted by: Paul Msaki | April 22, 2008, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm
the reason this country is not ready for a woman as president is that we don’t see the difference in approaches toward decision making between men and women.
traditionally we are used to expecting “toughness” from presidential candidates because we are fearful of “bad guys” running other countries. so most questions are “what if …” scenarios around threats from other countries and we expect a “tough” answer, so as to showing that we are tougher, no fear, rest assured, we have a bigger punch and no one will be able to hurt us.
clinton however, as a woman president, has a different approach, that of putting relationships, well-being, and collaboration first before we jump to fear of threats.
Unbelievably, even in the so called democracy and civilization of the US, we are still as human beings, prone to succumb to patriarchal norms, competition to no end, and war over peace. So we don’t like it when someone talks about relationships, collaboration, discussions. We like the toughness, just as much as we like WWF, war games for our children, and sex in the media.
When do we, the civilized people, the advanced one, the democratic and free people in the world, want to wake up and denounce destruction and welcome construction?
When?
Most people think that a woman would not be able to push a button (for a nuke attack). Is that what we are fighting for? Who can push a nuke button? McCain can or Obama can but Hillary can’t?
If you think women can’t push buttons, just look around in your life and see how many of your buttons are pushed by women.
Wake up folks, it’s time for real change. It’s time for different ways of thinking and approaching problems to get into politics and tip the scale.
Posted by: ehsan | April 22, 2008, 3:01 pm 3:01 pm
I really believe Bill and Hillary simply love to hear themselves talk and themselves don’t even believe the stuff coming out of their mouths..
Posted by: indy_voter | April 22, 2008, 3:03 pm 3:03 pm
I voted for Hillary on February 5th, but now I wish I could take it back. I don’t want a President who talks about obliterating people. She’s clearly lost her mind. For some reason I still think of Hillary and Bill as these scrappy underdogs from Arkansas circa 1992. That’s not who they are anymore. They’re neocons now.
Posted by: Karen | April 22, 2008, 3:09 pm 3:09 pm
Some American politicians never miss any chance to create hatred. They just wish to brainwash the American people for their personal interests.
Posted by: PeterS | April 22, 2008, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm
ehsan
this has absolutely nothing to do with different standards for men and women…
anyone who started touting Nuclear “obliteration” and or an umbrella of protection that would “massively retaliate” is saying my weapon is bigger than your weapon…
this is NOT russia who had weapons when Reagan stood up to them with the arms race…
this is a country that does not have them yet and would love to be able to say they are threatened with nuclear attack from the west.
This was just plain stupid on Clintons part.
She is trying so hard to look tough and absolutely is showing she has no idea what that means different then…well what Goerge Bush does…until the American people’s poll numbers show her that is not the right choice.
She is playing that choice and does not get it.
Even Mccain can use this…all he said was “bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran”
he never said to nuclearly “obliterate” them without question of Russia or China’s reaction. or that Israel has it’s own nuclear armament. or that we should never get there.
or propose an umbrella organization on the US’s dime to protect any country (that in theory we are going to protect anyway) and by doing so seriously hamstring the congress in any oversight…and you wonder why she didn’t apologize really for voting to remove those oversights.
To argue that this has something to do with the double standard that definitively exists on so many issues between men and women …is to hurt the real argument and reality…and domuch more damage to women’s issues than good.
She does not have the right judgement for this job. Senate majority leader maybe…President absolutely not.
Posted by: dl | April 22, 2008, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm
Does “totally obliterate” mean kill all 65 million people including 40 million women and children?
Such words from a US President would only built support in Iran for Ahmadenajad’s worst ambitions including restarting the nuclear weapons program that our own intelligence says was stopped.
Posted by: Young Atheart | April 22, 2008, 4:06 pm 4:06 pm
She’s a hero you guys!!!!
Didn’t you see her in action in Bosnia?
Posted by: Erna Beetge | April 22, 2008, 4:13 pm 4:13 pm
She should be in a straitjacket, and tried for treason for not supporting America’s interests first.
Posted by: MRW | April 22, 2008, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm
Nothing has changed! This is typical Hillary. Say anything do anything to win, she is trying to pander to all demographics, to the point of where no one can say where she stands. She voted for it but hoped it wouldn’t pass.
She can’t be trusted.
Obama08
Posted by: Thinking | April 22, 2008, 5:26 pm 5:26 pm
Hillary is a warmonger. I honestly think she lays awake at night daydreaming about being the first woman president who started a war and carried it to a dramatic win. She scares the heck out of me. what is wrong with this woman?
Posted by: karela | April 22, 2008, 5:50 pm 5:50 pm
Clinton is being more bellicose than Bush. Has she learned nothing from her considered MISjudgement to support him on Iraq? What is the point of ridding the White House of one crazed aggressive cowboy and replacing him with Annie Oakley? Are these outrageous remarks the result of the experience she so constantly touts? Maybe when she was woken at 3am and said “Bill, it’s for you” she then went back to sleep. She’s already told us that she “mis-speaks” when she doesn’t get enough sleep. Not a good enough reason to obliterate millions of people. Time now for the Democrat superdelegates to come off the fence and put an end to the toxic campaign of this war-monger.
Posted by: Rick Jones | April 23, 2008, 6:36 am 6:36 am
proudamerican2008,
please seek help
you are so wrong and so full of hatred that I can not even dignify you with an answer. I am voting for Nader. However, I have great respect for Senator Obama.
Posted by: anotherproudamerican | April 23, 2008, 10:03 am 10:03 am
I think Hillary would bomb Florida if she thought it would help her win.
This women would do anything to win.
Also, I just don’t want an ugly president.
Posted by: jbate | April 23, 2008, 12:51 pm 12:51 pm
Now Hillary is talking about “obliterating Iran.” Doesn”t she realize that she it talking about killing millions of innocent men, women and children? She is already partly responsible for the death of about a million Iraqis and the dispossession of millions more. Has she no humanity in her at all? I won’t let her send my son to die in Iran.
The only war she has seen is her fictional account of her “corkscrew landing in Bosnia and dodging bullets as she ran across the tarmac.” I believe this woman is truly sick.
GO OBAMA
Posted by: jbate | April 23, 2008, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm
Good Grief. She is either too harsh, or too soft… too strong, or weak. Seems ice cold, seems too emotional. Talk about a double bind. What would you want her to say? I don’t mind if they have nukes.. that is okay with us… no problem. You know, if Obama
said this he would be cheered as being suitable for commander in chief. But if a woman says it,all hell breaks loose. I don’t care if you don’t vote for Hillary–but making a decision on whether something she says in April might contradict something she said in October seems a bit of a stretch. I wonder why the media continue to ask the same questions, in all varieties of ways, over and over, until they get a “gotcha’ answer. I know of nobody whose life could stand up to scrutiny 24/7, monitoring every utterance, and not offend some, and not have a contradiction. Nobody on the entire earth.. including Michelle Obama, as we all have seen.
GO HILLARY.
Posted by: Jan Staheli | April 23, 2008, 5:49 pm 5:49 pm
Sorry for democracy and democratic party to have a member like Hillary with such an idea belongs to middle ages. Sorry
Posted by: peace | April 24, 2008, 4:56 am 4:56 am
Hillary’s Iran Statement – IS REALLY DISTURBING. Open your eyes and say no to undiplomatic candidates. She is the Warmonger in the group.
Posted by: latinovoter1 | April 24, 2008, 9:54 pm 9:54 pm
lets say that iran does somehow get the nuke and attack isreal…how do u go about obliterating over 70 million ppl because about 8 million isrealis were killed??
SAY NO TO WAR…
Posted by: arshybarshy | April 25, 2008, 12:13 pm 12:13 pm
First class blog
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