Clinton’s New Popular Vote Argument

‘Pledged delegates are not pledged’, as per Senator Hilary Untrustworthy. lol
So Hilary’s pledge delegates ARE FREE to desert her campaign for Obama’s.
And let’s hope that her pledge delegates desert Hilary soon, so that the Dem’s national campaign can begin in earnest.

WestCoastMessanger, it is good to live with hope, that is what Obama is asking us to do. Hill, the Bosnian Commander in Chief, will not win popular vote or number of pledged or superdelegates. The writing is on the wall, you do not want to see it. God bless America and God bless Obama. OBAMA08.

I’m EMBARRASSED for her now. This election was over after Texas/Ohio, and I was willing to give her the benefit of the doubt that she was fighting the good fight, but this is pathetic.
Seriously, any day now she’s gonna call for the votes on Pluto to count.

Any worthwhile leader HAS TO HAVE INTEGRITY!
In a large nation of 300 million citizens, no national leader can interact directly with every citizen.
Therefore THE AUTHENTICITY OF THE WORDS OF THE LEADER is vital for meaningful and effective communication about national matters!
(Remember the words about WMD and al kaida being in Iraq, which is costing Americans in lives, limbs, mental health and huge budget deficit?)
Which American would trust the words of ANY Clinton in leadership position?
Hilary Clinton changes her words and position as frequently as she changes her napkins.
No principle!
No integrity!
Untrustworthiness is horrible in a female, especially an older female!
Bad example for the young women of America is Hilary Clinton. For shame!

Obama can never be trusted with in our white house ,because of his background,i think that ill. should be sued for even electing him as a sentor with his back ground, he should be in prison, not in the white house making all of the decisions concerning our country, another man mebe but not obama

The popular vote in Florida and Michigan has already been counted. It was determined by election results. It was certified by election officials in each state. It’s been officially tallied by the secretary of state in each state,” she said. “And the question is whether those 2.3 million Democrats will be honored and the delegates seated by the Democratic Party.”
he needs them so therefore she will fight for them or better yet there numbers

Jay,
I disagree with your assessment. Even if by some DNC Magic those totals were to be included (including MI, where only Clinton’s name was on the ballot), the question is moot anyway.
Delegates is how the nominees are chosen, and even Clinton surrogates concede they cannot catch Obama. Their only hope is the Super Delegates, and a growing chorus of them have stated unequivocally they will not overturn the winner of the pledged delegate count.
I know you’re spinning so hard that to your point of view everyone else is spinning, but at least try to remember the rules. You DO remember the rules, don’t you?

Neither Hillary nor Obama can be trusted with the safety and security of this nation, and the majority of American voters know it. While the Democratic party implodes into a miasmic quagmire of mutual slime, slam, vituperation and recrimination between two first-term Senators whose only claims to legitimacy are dueling versions of identity politics, John McCain, the only person left in the race with the qualifications and experience to occupy the Oval Office, is running an honest and decent campaign that is worthy of the American people, and they will reward him by choosing him as our next President.

Back the empty suit, flim flam man and watch him get humiliated in the GE. I guess Michelle can then go back to feeling un-proud to be an American.

Boy she just dosen’t seem to have a firm grasp of reality does she? She’s been screaming the same thing for over a month and nothing has changed because the DNC is going to stand firm that they will not allow a faulty vote to effect the outcome of this race. Her numbers all down all over, she is at her lowest in trust polls and her unlikability is almost off the charts and she does not get it. People want to play fair. They do not want a winner at any cost. The do not want to see someone act like the school yard bully.
FL and MI votes will count if she decides to let them but much like her decision to disenfranchise them a year and half ago, when she thought she would not need them, she is unwilling to let them count unless it benefits her.
No one, and I mean this honestly, no one could say MI was fair. No one though some do try.
She is getting desperate and it is so awful to see.

A self proclaimed uniter that belongs to a black separatist church is not going to win too many votes in middle America.

Last time I looked, the DNC was
outranked by the Constitution of the United States…… and does not have the right nor the power to dis-enfranchise the ability of even ONE citizen to vote!
Here we have a situation wherein the population of two states is effectively
erased from the electorate…..
and that’s OK…. WITH WHOM????
Not with HIllary followers!
We don’t expect the followers of B O to to do anything to re-establish the rights of these voters; they’re too busy working on the rights of races….
(just not election races!!!!)
A funny thing about this dumb situation is that B O was the ONLY candidate who advertised during their early voting… and still didn’t win!!!
Oh NO!!!! Could THAT be the reason he won’t push for the rights of these citizens???
Wow! What a President he would make…N O T!!!!
GIVE ‘EM HELL, HILLARY!!!

If Obama won MI and FL and he was behind on the popular vote, do you honestly think his campaign would not fight to have those votes counted. Do you honestly think that you Obama voters would criticize him? Do you honestly think you wouldn’t want those votes counted? Every vote should count.

Desperate, desperate, desperate. It’s already over, and Hillary doesn’t seem to know. Wonder what her real goal is? Maybe she will write a book (sham deal of course) next year and let us know what she hoped to accomplish.

Well she is correct in one thing, that is if she keeps fighting it is doubtful that Obama can gain enough delegates to win outright.
What she realy hopes for is a major screw up by the Obama Campaign. You can bet that her capaign is going to the well to look for something. They are digging.

she won because there was no “real election”
Look at the numbers in the polls before every state primary…Hillary’s numbers are the same as in Florida (Michigan is a joke because he was not even on the ballot)…
If it had been a real election those numbers would have moved just like every other state… in fact if Clinton hadn’t used this as her own tool for her own benefit…we could have probably had an election.
She played these states and the supers aren’t stupid they see what happened… She is manipulating a situation.
Those popular votes don’t count because it is imperative that all candidates get to introduce themselves…that is why they call it a “beauty contest” …
unfortunately the Florida and Michigan democratic parties should have never had those elections in the first place when the democratic national committee (and Hillary Clinton) told them they wouldn’t count and Hillary didn’t care.
She cares now only because it could help her if she looks like she is fighting for them…when it is obvious to those (even those who won’t admit itnefariously) outside she is only fighting for her own position.

Hillary fans.
The game is up and your candidate was a victim of elitists who have hijacked the democratic party. Someboy said above that she’s ok with Obama if Hillary doesn’t make it. Such a person doesn’t have a good idea about what the party stands for or anything about its history.
So sad.

Jay,
I just don’t see the math. Setting aside MI and FL (Because Howard Dean has said time and time again he would not honor those results), I just don’t see where she makes up the delegates in the remaining 10 contests. She would have to win each and every single contest by over 65% just to catch up, and as I stated earlier, even if by some miracle she even closes to 100 delegates (almost a mathematical impossibility at this point), the Super Delegates will not back a candidate behind in pledged delegates.
I do agree with you, it is not over. We must play the string out. I suspect rather strongly, however, that come June 3rd, it will be official. This is assuming that the steady stream of Super Delegates already moving toward Obama has not turned into a torrent.

by the way does everyone know that superdelegates and the committee that created them were created to make the party “more democratic” and to bring in more of the party to vote… superdelegates and the committee (and you can check this with the official documents in the formation of that committee,,,rather than taking Ferraro’s complete twisting of the purpose of them) …those superdelegates were supposed have reponsibility and “strengthen accountability to the members of the party and voters”…
Superdelegates are there to make sure no one plays switcharoonie with delegates responsibilities to their constituents or someone who twists the numbers …
that is in the paragraph for why the Hunt Commision (the commission that created the supers)…why it was founded.

Michigan and Florida do count. 2.3 million Democrats voted in those states and will vote again in Nov. Any Democrats who think they don’t exist are not interested in winning the white house in Nov.

WCM
She is running out of states.
Her campaign is broke.
Her support among the super delegates is soft.
Her Campaign is in disarray.
Her poll numbers are looking worse by the day. Her leads in PA and Indiana are disappearing, she is sinking further in NC

IF OBAMA GETS THE NOMINATION,IT WILL BE THE BEGINNING OF THE END OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AS WE KNOW IT…
REMEMBER THE SOUTH?????IT WAS SOLID DEMOCRATIC. NOW IS SOLID REPUBLICAN..
WE MUST READ HISTORY..
DEMOCRATS MAKE THE SAME MISTAKES OVER AND OVER AGAIN….
ARE THEY EVER LEARN???????

sj…a fifty fifty split means he wants the state there and to participate but it wasn’t a real election…and they should hold there state accountable number one because the rules were set up a long time before Dean had any kind of say really…this came out of the dealings of the last chairperson…and who was that? oh yeah. This was done two years before the election… the governor could not step in front of a party’s election they could have brought to court if he tried to do that and they would have quickly won.
They wanted their state to be more important…that’s why but unfortunately that went against party rules…and we could have settled this fairly if Hillary hadn’t run down there after a fake election (and after she both looked like she may lose and she said they wouldn’t count) and started saying she was fighting for their votes to count… as they were…ugh.
Now the problem couldn’t even be fixed.
and this is the candidate you want to elect…because “she is a fighter”…

SJ
FL and MI were elections…they just weren’t real elections …you have to give voters an opportunity to meet the candidates…otherwise they are voting for the candidate that was the First Lady for 8 years. That is what the numbers have shown in EVERY state before voters got to meet the candidates.
It wasn’t a real election.

Really so the ballot with the vote on property taxation. With respect to homestead property, that tax resolution that was included was not a real resolution ?
Geez I wonder if it passed it sure looked like a official ballot to me.

Well I have four sister’s who live in Fl. and if thier votes don’t count guess what thier voting MCcain one is a nurse in Merrit Island One is a teacher one is a Pastor and a stay at home Mother. and they have many friends who are saying they will not vote Democratic

If Senator Clinton’s name was not on the ballot, would you call what we had here a fair election? Do you live in Michigan? Honestly, those of you who don’t live here should mind your own business – we have never asked you to revote your elections. Nobody here is really complaining about this issue. Why? Because we all knew that this was going to happen! It was repeated over and over, but our leaders here wanted an earlier say in the election. And guess what, it worked. Senator Clinton and the media were claiming Michigan as a state she won until March 4th. She has gotten plenty of political mileage out of us. But we are fair people in Michigan and we play by the rules – to pretend that the election here was something that it wasn’t is misleading.
For democrats and independents who wanted their vote to count, the GOP primary was available and the son of a former governor was on the ballot.

@Bishop:
I agree that the media gave a pass to Senator Obama earlier partly from his lofty ideals, partly from resentment to the Clintons, and partly to keep things interesting for them. They are doing the same for Senator McCain now, I think most would agree.
But fair is fair and I’m not speaking for Florida, but Michigan’s presidential primary was so screwed up this year that it is painful to watch it being brought up ad nauseum. Anyone claiming the contrary really seems silly from the perspective of those living here.

She signed – those votes would not count.
So follow Your decision and do not play games with public.
If You can.
If You can not – GET OUT and write Your phony books.
GET OUT.

Why should Hillary drop out. All it will take for her to win the nomination is one video clip of Obama dancing in the aisle while Wright delivered one of his hate speeches.

This slow decomposition of the Clinton brand serves a greater purpose.
Little by little, all Americans are finally coming to understand how pathetic and dishonest the Clintons actually were all these years.
Like other con artists in history, the Clintons were masterful in weaving fact with fiction. Had Hillary not run, they could have dined out on their false but well-crafted image in perpetuity.
They have now pushed the envelope one too many times. In return, donors, intellectuals, the media, and now African Americans are finally aware how they’ve been manipulated and used all these years.
History will not be gentle with these two sociopaths.

Face the truth Hillary fans!
The democratic party has been hijacked by progressive (liberal) minorities. With their friends in the media, your poor candidate didn’t have a chance. Honestly now, which alternative best suits your political disposition? Moderate republicans or elitist democrats bent on socializing the world.
Think hard!

Michigan will be a blue state this year – it doesn’t matter if it’s Clinton, Obama or Pinocchio. The rest of the country talks about recession – we’ve been living through it. Our economy is the pits. The price of oil/gas is killing us not only on a daily basis, but because it is killing the auto industry. Home foreclosures here and falling property values. It’s awful, really.
But most people around here don’t complain, they just work harder because that is what Americans do. And any sitting President’s party will fare poorly here in November – most of us blame George Bush. He doesn’t talk to the big 3, his policies don’t help Michigan and it seems that he has a grudge against us because John Engler couldn’t make us a red state for him. So, John McCain may be a good guy but people here will vote their pocketbooks. McCain admits he doesn’t know anything about the economy, offers a poor man’s version of “i feel your pain”, but so far comes across as insincere or incapable of fixing the problems we have.
Now, with that said, most of the problems we have our outside of any President’s control. But the buck has to stop somewhere…

@Bishop and SJ:
Agree with you both. Ignoring the electoral college is perilous and John McCain’s VP choice is a HUGE deal. I doubt he chooses Romney, because it hurts him with evangelicals. My guess is he chooses a bona fide right-winger to “balance” his ticket with Republicans.
As versed as you are in the electoral college, doesn’t it strike you as odd that Senator Clinton basically skipped some states earlier? I think those of us that are watching this worry that she will pull an Al Gore and John Kerry and not campaign strongly in all 50 states. If she had campaigned more in the states she glossed over, then she would probably be leading now.

MIguy
If the president’s influence is national, why is Michigan so far behind? Could it be you state government is inept? That wouldn’t be surprising in a state that’s heavily union oriented. Stands to reason that industry will go somewhere else.
That seems to be the story of your state. Government is mostly local and the blame starts locally.

MIguy – I agree. I like McCain because he is a centrist, and I like Obama because he is willing to work with the opposition, but political dogma is dogcrap this year. Show me what you are going to do. There will be very tough questions facing them both in the General Election.
Again, I look forward to it.

It is interesting and I suppose that is why Dean is ticked I can’t think after living in Ks Tx Co and now Ga that theese states would go blue. And that is a worry.

Here’s one crazy thing I think is already starting: President Bush/Cheney are actually now trying to get something done, rather than leaving the country a complete trainwreck for next year. Whatever you think of them, at least they are starting to try and get things done.

Those delegates from FL and MI will be seated at the convention and their voices will be heard. They just won’t influence who the nominee will be, that’s all.

@Bishop:
Again, no disagreement with you. It will take some new math for Senator Obama to win. But it really comes down to who votes; in the ‘contested’ 2004 election only 55% of eligible voters actually voted. If one can swing this by a few percent in either direction, then it’s anyone’s ballgame.

@SC4ME:
It would be foolish for her to quit before the Pennsylvania primary. If she wins by 20 points, she might end up winning the whole thing. If she wins by 5 points or less then it is really over. It will probably end up somewhere in the middle and then the other primaries become the next to voice their opinion. There is nothing wrong with this going on longer, so long as they limit the negative stuff against each other and ratchet the pressure up against McCain (two voices to his one is an advantage at this point that they are not playing up).

Count all the votes in all the states.
Anything less is undemocratic.

Westcoast Messenger, As I said before, rules really do matter. If Obama was able to campaign in Michigan and Florida, he might have well won them. Hill has name recognition. Ok, then let us forget about those for a minute. If Hill is so concerned about Michigan and Florida getting their say, then why is she advocating that delegates can vote against the will of the people? What’s the point in the any state voting?

It is over. Clinton is out of her league. She has completely lost it. She has played the victim once to often. She is totally out of control and desperate. Watch as she self destructs.
Obama08

Jac13,
Hillary cares about the voters not only cares about winning.
Obama only cares about winning that’s what happened when he made promises in every state.
In Idaho, he promised not to take away their guns.
In California, he promised to illegal immigrants to give them driver lisences.
Do you think he will keep his promises after he become a president?

@crisis08:
Your loyalty to Senator Clinton is admirable, but she is like every other politician and changes her message to suit her purpose. She cares more about winning than voters. I’m not saying this in a bad way, but more matter-of-fact.

Jack51,
Hey,,,that was not April fool.
Obama supporters got paid to knock on millions doors in Texas and urged people to change their minds.

@Thinking:
I think you’re right – she has got to fight the perception of a sinking ship if she’s going to pull off the victory she needs in PA. She hasn’t had a good weekend/couple weeks but there is still plenty of time. Time will tell…

The tainted elections that were publicly declared as invalid. That everyone knew would not count including Senator Clinton herself ABSOLUTELY MUST NOT BE COUNTED!!!!!!!!!
IT IS AN OUTRAGE AND I CAN’T BELIEVE THAT EVEN HER OWN SUPPORTERS AGREE WITH THIS IDEA OF COUNTING A TAINTED ELECTION
THAT AFFECTS EVERYONE INCLUDING VOTERS IN MICHIGAN AND FLORIDA WHO DID NOT VOTE BECAUSE THEY KNEW IT WOULDN’T COUNT!!!
The American people could easily file a llawsuit against Senator Clinton or the DNC and declare Clinton and invalid nominee should she get her way and somehow corrupt this election.
There are many arguments to be made as to why her suggestion is absolutely ludicrous and frankly insane!
The only fair solution considering the circumstances involved is to seat the Florida and Michigan delegates 50/50 or don’t seat them at all!
I am not sure that the superdelegates of either state should be seated as they may have had some power to affect why this happened in their states. They are the ones who messed things up for the voters of their states, NOT Senator Obama or the rest of us.
AND I am sick of this popular vote idea leaving out caucus votes as I live in a cacus state and our votes deserve to be counted our elections were completely valid!!!
STOP LETTING SENATOR CLINTON TRY TO DICTATE AND CHANGE THE RULES OF THIS PROCESS!!! IT WILL DISENFRANCHISE MUCH MORE THAN FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN!!!
ANY ATTEMPT FOR HER TO DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN WIN ACCORDING TO DELEGATES SHOULD BE CONSIDERED INVALID AND THE RULES COMMITTEE SHOULD REJECT IT!
NO REWARDING POEPLE TRY TO CHEAT THEIR WAY INTO THE WHITEHOUSE!!! I HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF THIS EGOIC AMBITION THAT PRETENDS TO CARE ABOUT ANYONE OTHER THAN THE ONE WHO HAS TO WIN AT ALL COSTS!! THAT IS NOT SERVICE TO AMERICA! THAT DOES NOT LIFT UP THIS COUNTRY AND HELP IT HEAL AND MOVE FORWARD!
CHANGE I DO BELIEVE IN!!!
OBAMA ’08

It is amazing how biased Hillary supporters become,they don’t see or care about the lack of integrity. How can anyone say Hillary won in Michigan when she was the only dem.candidate on the ballot??And how could disenfranchising the nation by pleading to Obama’s pledged delegates to support her be ethical?? Anyone??

I have a very good solution for EVERYONE. Let the election be between OBAMA and UNCOMMITED in North Carolina or in PA. Count the votes in Michigan and Florida as they were. This would be the fairest solution(probably more favorable to Clinton as NC has only 111 which is less than MI).

Hillary supporters: Stop threatening (a) that Michigan and Florida will vote Republican if the votes from the illegal elections are not counted and (b) that you will vote for McCain if Hillary is not the nominee!
Your threats carry no weight and the more you throw your tantrum, the more Hillary bleeds support. If you want to vote for Mr. 100 Years In Iraq, knock yourself out. Hillary has lost and no amount of screaming will change that!

Hillary signed a pledge (an oath) stating that she agreed that FL,MI did not count. So what has changed since she made that pledge?

When people make the argument that Obama wasnt on the ballot in Michigan, can they explain exactly why he wasnt on the ballot?
I mean if the primary was not going to mean anything, why take your name off the ballot and insult the voters of that state?
You have to count the votes.

Has she not figured out yet that even if she counts those states the DNC will not. Nor will the supers give her the votes because it is a faulty win and everyone but her knows it. This is really sad to watch. This makes her 10th “changing” of rules and things she has to do to win…and it is all going to be for nought.

@mpwdc:
Please don’t assume that people are ignoring electoral college votes in this discussion. Senator Clinton can be ‘swiftboated’ just as easily and some would say that is occurring right now with the Bosnia thing. But if the democrats once again are putting all of their hopes on Ohio and Florida, why should they expect a different outcome from 2000 and 2004?

Can you say Rezko????
Can you say Ayers???
Khalidi?
Wright?
Auchi?
Obama cannot win in November.
Deserve is not the point. Winning the election in November is the point.

Any of the candidates can win. Again, to my point above, the argument for the last two elections has been about winning Ohio and Florida and it hasn’t gotten the democrats very far. What would be different this time? What makes Senator Clinton more electable when she is just as, if not more, vulnerable to “swiftboating”?

MIGuy: I will NOT try to appease these Clinton supporters who attempt to blackmail the DNC with their threats!
Polls say that 30% of them will not vote for Obama if HRC doesn’t get the nomination. Why? Because he won? Because he played by the rules that were established before the first vote was cast? Because he ran a brilliant campaign?
These people are unfair and unreasonable and I am frankly disgusted by their efforts to excuse HRC’s disgusting shennanigans! She should say “I fought the good fight” but I lost instead of behaving so pathetically. She has no shame. I’m embarrassed for her!
Who would imagine that a former first lady would exhibit so little dignity in her quest for power? The supporters who stand behind her as she makes a mockery out of this nomination contest are just as bad!

MIguy,
What do you think Hillary supporters will support Obama in GE?
After Obama refused to count MI and FL?
After all the media has treated Hillary so badly.
After all the super delegates has betrayed her?
After Obama supporters treat Hillary supporters so badly?
So,,,think about those things.
If you all O’s supporters want us to support you in GE think what way you should behave.

Actually, crisis08, I think the vast majority of Senator Clinton’s supporters will vote for Senator Obama if he is the nominee and vice-versa. There is more that unites the democrats than divides them.
If you want to vote for Senator McCain, that is your prerogative and he seems like a nice fellow. But if you are truly passionate in Senator Clinton’s or Obama’s issues, you will realize they both agree on nearly everything meaningful.
I agree that a lot of venom is slung in these blogs and agree that each side will need each other. But it is easy to focus on the ones yelling rather than seeing the ones you agree with.

Gayle in Ca,
I don’t think that question came from Hillary’s supporters.
As always as Clinton’s speech there was insider heckler.
At least Hillary did not take her kid to the anti American church and let the kid listen to all the hatred , unpatriotic speeches from the pastor.

Crisis08
I am sorry that you think he lied about getting money from oil companies and lobbiest. You may not know that he received money from individuals in those oil companies, not the oil company itself. If you have contributed to any campaigns online, you would know that you have to agree that your donation is an individual one, not from any company. Obama has almost 1mil supporters that contribute. These oil guys are contributing just like me! So understand, these are people just like us! I know you are intellegent enough to know the distinction. It’s like my daughter selling girl scout cookies to my colleagues at work, and then the company firing me for taking money from the company. Do you really not get it?

I assume that your friends, just like everyone else here, wishes our state leaders didn’t put us in this mess. Every democrat and independent here wanted their votes to count, but if the election was flawed how can you count the votes? We actually could have had a caucus, but this didn’t fly with Senator Clinton’s campaign and would not have gotten the okay of our governor (a Clinton supporter). Yes, it is idiotic, but those are the rules of the game. If your friends vote for Senator McCain because of this then I would put it to you that they are not voting on the issues.

Joan, I turn your question around. Why was Hillary the only candidate to leave her name on the ballot? Obama wasn’t the only democrat running at the time who’s name wasn’t on the ballot. Give me a real honest answer rather than one dug up to support Hillary. Herein lies your credibility.

@crisis08:
You’re right – ultimately that’s why I think that some Obama supporters misguidedly call for her to dropout so that the ‘healing’ can begin. This, however, only fuels the animosity. If this does go all the way to the convention, it may be too late. I honestly don’t think most Clinton/Obama supporters who say they will vote for McCain will do it; but I worry that they just wouldn’t vote at all. This has been the Republican strategy of late: let the Democrats build their candidates into saints, then show them the blemishes of their candidate and hope that just enough get discouraged and don’t vote. So neither Clinton nor Obama is perfect and thank goodness we are finding that out now rather than in October.

@mpwdc:
More power to you, but I think that your statement applies generically to most voters. We ultimately only know our own vote. So vote your conscience, whomever that is, and then we should get behind the next President and get back to work.

Miguy,
I think that is fair enough to Hillary to dropout the race after every state counts.
Remember even Obama said it in public she has a right to stay in the race .
do you want, after Obama become the president of US someday people say he won the election because of something fraud in this election ?
PS I talked to most of women and including my mother , they are very disappointed how American (great nation),still treat women differently.

How can we possibly treat the popular vote as meaning ANYTHING when 1/3 of the states held CAUCUSES? We cannot count a ‘popular vote’ when so far fewer people vote in caucuses – it makes states like Iowa, Colorado, Washington, Nevada, etc. MEANINGLESS. Does the Clinton campaign not care about voters in these states?

No matter who says what, excluding votes is a bad thing

Let me get this right. The court in Michigan threw out the results of the January Primary, ruling it unconstitutional. He did not order a recount, though. Non the less, the vote and tally are ruled out. So, how can Hillary, a lawyer, say that they still count? Florida, no such argument, but Michigan? What is she, a moron? Does she think people still get their news by word of mouth, (well maybe some of her supports do, hence their rabid support). These votes in Michigan do not count for squat! Nada! To purport otherwise is being dishonest! Is this what you see in a President? A liar? Haven’t you had enough of that for the past eight years? Is it the Democrats wish to have America become even more of a laughing stock to the World? Maybe Chaney should decide to run as the Republican incumbent. Seems that’s was the people want. Don’t see much of a difference between him and Hillary!

I can understand why Hillary supporters will vote for McCain if she doesn’t win the nomination – after all, it is Hillary that is telling them that McCain is better qualified to be president than Obama…and her supporters believe her. Thanks a lot, Hillary…we now know how loyal you are to the Democratic Party – not.

Oh my gosh, she is right!!!
No one ever said the votes in Florida and Michigan didn’t count, the problem is that the votes don’t get converted into delegates.
At least not yet.
Hillary is right. The votes in both states have been certified by election officials and should be applied to the overall popular vote count for the various candidates.

The difference….the 15 states chose to have caucuses. They chose to disenfranchise their own voters.
Florida and Michigan were disenfranchised by the DNC and a Republican State government. These states chose to have primaries.
This is America. The popular vote of Florida and Michigan must be included in the popular vote count. It would be illegal for the DNC to omit the popular vote count in the overall numbers.
If the DNC wants the nominee to be legitimate, then the popular vote of these states must be included since they were legally certified by their states. If the DNC does not also seat the delegates they are risking losing the general election. It is a tough decision. I hope they make the right unbiased decision.

America…please think. Mrs. Clinton and her Team are destructive to the moral fibre of the Country. PLEASE…THINK of the COUNTRY! Think of the last 8 years with ANOTHER LIAR in the WH! Listen to your better angels…please.

Hillary Clinton’s brazen dishonesty simply takes one’s breath away. It is pitiful and painful really, to see someone of her mature years conducting herself in such a dishonourble and undignified manner – and for all the world to see. What kind of a role model is she to other women, and to other professional women especially the younger generation of professional women? And what kind of message is she sending to young girls and especially teenagers who are at a stage in their lives where role models have such great influence – that if you desire something greatly, it is alright to be unscrupulous and to lie, cheat and steal for it? She keeps on repeating “I believe this country is worth fighting for.” What in God’s name does she even mean by that?! That this belief is unique to her? That her fellow presidential candidates do not believe that their country is worth fighting for? And neither does the man in the street? She also repeats often that “You don’t make difficult consequential change in America merely by wishing for it or hoping for it.” She really needs to stop making these kinds of silly statements. She need look no further than at the way Barack Obama has organised, is executing and is facing up to the challenges of his campaign to see that, indeed, making difficult and consequential change in America takes more than wishing and hoping for it!

“It’s clear, this election they’re having is not going to count for anything” – Hillary Clinton, in a radio interview in October.
Not so clear now she needs it to count for something of course.

How can anyone stomach this vile, disingenuous, conniving, back-handed BS? Obama wasn’t even on the ballot in MI for eff sake! Go ahead and count FL, you dumpy windbag, Obama will still win. Any Clinton supporter that hears words like this and sees Hillary Clinton dumping on free democracy and stands by her, doesn’t deserve the vote they have. Re-votes perhaps would have been fair. BTW, Obama supporters didn’t block re-votes, they raised legitimate questions about their constitutionality, something Hillary ain’t so big on.

Good Lord. Do we want a president that can’t tell the difference between Michigan and Zimbawe? Haven’t we suffered enough.

Edwards and Obama were not on the ballot in Michigan and she only got 55.23% of the vote. 40.07% of the Democrats who voted in Michigan got into their cars in the dead of winter, drove to their polling places, and went to pull the lever for “Uncommitted” in an election that they knew would not count, just to express their distaste for Hillary. The fact that she didn’t drop out of the race on the basis of those facts boggles the mind.

I love this! Clinton v. Obama – It is so fun to watch the dems eat their own young. hahaha

“Obama has convinced the DNC that we have 48 states—not 50!”
that was great!
Obama is a liar, just that simple. He talks about change in one breath while behind the scenes will not support a re-vote, offering jobs to super deligates, says he would of left his church, etc lies lies lies.
If these two states of “voters” votes are not counted (not seating people illegally) it won’t matter, because if Obama wins the nominee due to this he’s lost half the votes of democrats which will go elsewhere. If this is the case I hope a 3rd party decides to run I can believe in.

Hillary is Lying again Any surprise? NAH
If she opens her mouth she lies.

This is the vote for the Iraq war all over again. First she agrees to the rules then because it suits her, she changes her mind. Oh lets bomb Iran….Oh I didn’t read the intel properly. At 3am she should stay asleep!

If our votes don’t count now then why should we vote as Dems. in the general election. I say count all votes in Mich. and Fla. Who is dean anyway to even have a say on what happens. He imploded years ago.